From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 9 12:09:41 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1So6p6-4Kxknw-05-9YN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:09:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1So6p6-4Kxknw-05-9YN; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 05:47:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1So6p6-4Kxknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 05:47:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1So6p2-0001wK-8F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 05:47:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 000DAEDA88D; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 01:47:45 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341812866; bh=JRPbiicDCOE2uS4ddtacguZuwoz0MEht49VWkDzf lyI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Dt/VlC TtnHsMOmzzuA4R2hD8pJVbxgMLnwkJhCSYi5ubZpUnC8nPCGOH3Q1fUbhwmMOW+gzLo n9fXILBzlt1w2azACKvYhOfkHWH5juPSwbif6qaZMf8ysb2bBo3+kQG1rPr2kWxrnfQ P+/4AaJfvtmCOif0QUAFoZOl6Ulz7as= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U2P9ukAR-jr3; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 01:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF252EDA47F; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 01:47:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341812865; bh=JRPbiicDCOE2uS4ddtacguZuwoz0MEht49VWkDzf lyI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=EdPr60 4rfqNBNtBsc3tidqRiYK1l2v/JMXFBmJiBuG06K9UduX0GbqrsZXyxhgeMiZukzsI70 H+CUDGv+0Jtd2h+o1xWG98LDIB6SfMpPi70O99bETcxVc0kb/uMvKFh6qsU8FUd+NhT Ceyqg1d0ACQo7c/itw83WBcvEdb6g2A= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 01:47:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DEE9EDA733 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 01:47:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j3hIOnqbCc7a for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 01:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04E38EDA47F for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 01:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.33.62]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q695lJNu029590 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 06:47:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 06:48:20 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52ac6d6a0cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52a63cfdbddave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52a63cfdbddave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1344 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Nothing to do particularly with OvPro except maybe (*), but my footnote to the discussion... Having read a lot more on various ERead forums, and experimented extensively... Using PDFs as the conversion medium is somewhat a waste of time, even if you only want just a reasonable conversion. The Html export out of word is littered with xxxx that causes all sorts of problems later in the process. Many of the converters (All I've used infact, even the bought ones) leave a lot to be desired. (I guess the GIGO rule applies). As Fay is usually starting out with OvPro files I've sorted a reasonably simple solution for her that returns, considering the Epub medium, as close as you can get to spot on. As we have both OvPro RISC OS and OvPro for Windows, take the .dpd file to the Win OvPro. Open the .dpd file on one side of the screen and open Kompozer on the other side of the screen. Copy and paste the text from OvPro to Kompozer. *Graphics are a bit different, I don't know why, but I cannot hilight, Copy and Paste (Jpeg) graphics out of OvPro into other Win apps, as I can do from other Win apps, to Win apps. *Any thought on that one Mr Pilling? Or am I missing something? Anway, the graphics have to be Saved out of the OvPro document, then inserted into the Kompozer document. A quick re-edit/tidy up in Kompozer, Save out the Html, shove that through Calibre, and Uncle Bob arrives. She can play with that herself now... I'm now off to get on with my own stuff. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 9 12:09:54 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1So8mM-2zrknw-02-G7d.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:09:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1So8mM-2zrknw-02-G7d; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 07:53:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1So8mM-2zrknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 07:53:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1So8mJ-0006pr-JY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 07:53:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E598FEDAA32; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 03:53:04 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341820385; bh=UG+54eSghl03r3H9Igu9uoWlo2R7y7NG7uRvTfAV gnM=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=SkL1REsoCJ9mkjilbHXrmcQ3sJwGu uMVLeQhK1mhQvqGEA1MinMLsCW3skMOjzn1ecVa5LgKO91vLS/cGSMlTh0fdZaPjWxh Lbeg62bWfAC+8gfdg9/6Vns1mwh5bquOABbfP2lrIDYkctCwaRxs+4CsSa9Ad+myTw7 l6BZ+bYE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F8ZlOw7wW26C; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 03:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A811CEDA9A1; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 03:52:51 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341820384; bh=UG+54eSghl03r3H9Igu9uoWlo2R7y7NG7uRvTfAV gnM=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=R5hlnn6KgHIfj/qAns9v5a42+pYqJ D/Bzm4rLcNamRej0CCaaKyfkKRpFOT7MLbbQrx/ByG9ped+9XHMl/v5GEo1juv6njem Qsu2NT1TTE+oEbTYn7+ILEbHoXK4jHjYdRUaAncvS9ViTVwrPHlbGOx7hQ8fsyov6dv hruL1x7Y= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 03:52:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A5BDEDAA09 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 03:52:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BGnsoSKdXq6b for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 03:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E323EDA9A1 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 03:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.122.72]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q697qe0D000415 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 08:52:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:53:42 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Copying a Jpeg graphic to the Clipboard on Win OvPro Message-ID: <52ac78e462dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1345 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Something that became apparent during my work relating to the "Age old problem" thread, that using Win OvPro I couldn't copy a jpeg graphic out of OvPro and paste it in another, similar app. (Works Ov to Ov, but not externally. I guess there must be some obvious reason, but I don't know, as similar Win apps will copy/paste graphics between them. Any illumination please? Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 9 12:09:54 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1So90O-0X6GPo-06-Ftb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:09:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1So90O-0X6GPo-06-Ftb; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:07:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1So90O-0X6GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:07:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1So90L-0005F0-1Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 08:07:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DF51EDA1F0; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 04:07:35 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341821255; bh=WN/L0reWfGtbJ6Ce9z5Ypyz8BXMvCHflMJvrBjZR mHA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=to4P4h hrgF88IR85ZATdxULbkm0slWM5AkwkzqHlKrVTFtwFA3IQkuavJf4DbyC3NmQ1ShB3V uVZIiJ19OiAOBAjq2yM94txTvcRhtt+lmE56v7jHTpccGoJk7ETREpLknzYcCa/rULN EbN6bhRGqFzDdvYSehMxZFLPNMpChfo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JPn7Sj9ZmPYf; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 04:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2752EDA1BE; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 04:07:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341821254; bh=WN/L0reWfGtbJ6Ce9z5Ypyz8BXMvCHflMJvrBjZR mHA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=coC5o2 kGhacfqTUt3zLnE+4lY7HnISbgJVc3jolV7upXHJ4zHFsqFizxXjLSSuH3a2rCfzpAJ +2xl84FXvRZkjoqoXAos9H3u+KmAPKnkbDtVWcrBQ9IcnSnMi/L+My1Zi5RGhpQAb/u exWj/9Iu/wqfAi/NYvkKqLeaIFoL/uY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 04:07:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2D70ED9F9D for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 04:07:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d7K9dSaHz3Xk for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 04:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.4]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19C02ED9E11 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 04:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsps-ews08.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.175]) by cpsmtpb-ews01.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:07:18 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT101.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.17]) by cpsps-ews08.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:07:18 +0200 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([213.10.58.27]) by CPSMTPM-CMT101.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:07:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:07:19 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Copying a Jpeg graphic to the Clipboard on Win OvPro Message-ID: <52ac7a2391Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <52ac78e462dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52ac78e462dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2012 08:07:17.0943 (UTC) FILETIME=[DBA40C70:01CD5DA9] X-RcptDomain: freelists.org X-archive-position: 1346 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <52ac78e462dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > Something that became apparent during my work relating to the "Age old > problem" thread, that using Win OvPro I couldn't copy a jpeg graphic out > of OvPro and paste it in another, similar app. (Works Ov to Ov, but not > externally. When you say "it works from Ov to Ov", you probably mean that you could copy the frame that contained the JPEG. If you want to copy the JPEG to another program, either in RISC OS or in Windows, you'll need a menu route: Click on the frame that contains the JPEG and click the MENU button. Follow File -> Save picture -> ... and drag the icon to the desired location. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 9 12:10:10 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SoBL4-2Syknw-08-DYv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:10:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SoBL4-2Syknw-08-DYv; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:37:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SoBL4-2Syknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:37:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SoBL2-0004Ec-Gx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:37:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 338D0ED9CAB; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 06:37:06 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341830226; bh=Py5atUDm2aDtd7r+b7Xx+dK6xABu+O6bO05dBsBp ySQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=hrRYEJ A7Lr9jocU9Uhkj/qtMmR9+LO1m33S0JuljczK1yUHr6npUBSOkTXg1GkhjWUTxdBsMq rchvjw7aTzpX2d1diEqv/p4QWCRzDhXXkVfRgiDnkoOfqLe0GVg2SGpLiEDXcUsIKJt X4TIaSC+Bab75vzEG22rRlQFybpkqCw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nH9ouT4hG5+V; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 06:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8D61ED9BB4; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 06:36:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341830225; bh=Py5atUDm2aDtd7r+b7Xx+dK6xABu+O6bO05dBsBp ySQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=JEXwyA WCDfrM9hrYePpcNeVk8DJ096Zk/bTOGVQdPC4jmDrUW1eraw66dKYrhRK++0Y+Wwzzf gZDnJ6ilfl47iu1dUeRiX3y0lvo6LDRd1pHH1DH+I0mMrQnh65SJHQsUMZeYprpxHJL AXa0LzWOKb9k0IUeY0hUcXwhexdNZvI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 06:36:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 283CBED9C27 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 06:36:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qjsnSaSShOHo for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 06:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72FF0ED9BB4 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 06:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.122.72]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q69AaZQh007145 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:36:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:37:01 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Copying a Jpeg graphic to the Clipboard on Win OvPro Message-ID: <52ac87d812dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52ac7a2391Paul@sprie.nl> References: <52ac78e462dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac7a2391Paul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1347 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <52ac7a2391Paul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > In article <52ac78e462dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > Something that became apparent during my work relating to the "Age old > > problem" thread, that using Win OvPro I couldn't copy a jpeg graphic > > out of OvPro and paste it in another, similar app. (Works Ov to Ov, > > but not externally. > When you say "it works from Ov to Ov", you probably mean that you could > copy the frame that contained the JPEG. If you want to copy the JPEG to > another program, either in RISC OS or in Windows, you'll need a menu > route: Click on the frame that contains the JPEG and click the MENU > button. Follow File -> Save picture -> ... and drag the icon to the > desired location. > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers Sorry Paul you've lost me, but thanks for the thought anyway. In Win OvPro (Unlike RO OvPro) you don't get a Save icon to drag anywhere. Of course after it's been saved to a filer window it (The file) can then be dragged into another app, but that's not the problem. Ov Pro for Widows doesn't even have a Context menu button (Rh mouse button) so I'm guessing you misunderstood my question. Windows Ovation Pro. (In the subject line). I can copy and paste a graphic from one OvPro document to another OvPro document. I cannot copy a graphic from a Windows Ovation Pro document (To the global clipboard) and paste into a similar type application. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 9 12:10:10 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SoBi6-0gu000-07-DBt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:10:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SoBi6-0gu000-07-DBt; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:00:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SoBi6-0gu000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:00:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SoBi3-00024t-GM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:00:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AEDFEDAAFE; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 07:00:53 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341831653; bh=RmK7QaL8uxm1sz8hTutaZ3B3j5DN/9urZrVmnLRF rzc=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=fVSKMw htlhhtBisyuN+mzlbj4Cd2dEjDivVrY523mlvKFZANjMv6UrTXikAl3a/CbdQmJwBRV 5gZGanRcZ4Ssf5R/PlNb4WoCmCj8HPqx7+Xwn4/3/tmlN9skpNWBESDDM/UNydjbDiZ OonsnSS6oLZzE5VBfwuOazt/SoWgpj4= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tqv+nGcvQJrp; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 07:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37B20EDAAF3; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 07:00:40 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341831652; bh=RmK7QaL8uxm1sz8hTutaZ3B3j5DN/9urZrVmnLRF rzc=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=BPXup7 xIisQkSb5ZXhGDKNB880+wmaswPJwr/tISQQfRPJrta6wrc8LPW6JQsKnIiFfQ9FCCl YY6mc8kIa8MfHKpwOWpt98+HvwFYqagOIReRROkAd1DJ1vk8EF4+WavJT+77V/VIeFa Xg95LlAPXA7eBIgu9vT5lZq7O/zG6zc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 07:00:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFEEFEDAAF4 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 07:00:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id clHaqjT76BzK for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 07:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsmtpb-ews09.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpb-ews09.kpnxchange.com [213.75.39.14]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EA49EDAAF3 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 07:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsps-ews30.kpnxchange.com ([10.94.84.196]) by cpsmtpb-ews09.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:00:37 +0200 Received: from CPSMTPM-CMT106.kpnxchange.com ([195.121.3.22]) by cpsps-ews30.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.17514); Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:00:37 +0200 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([213.10.58.27]) by CPSMTPM-CMT106.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6002.18264); Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:00:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:00:37 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Copying a Jpeg graphic to the Clipboard on Win OvPro Message-ID: <52ac8a0133Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <52ac87d812dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52ac78e462dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac7a2391Paul@sprie.nl> <52ac87d812dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2012 11:00:37.0104 (UTC) FILETIME=[12061700:01CD5DC2] X-RcptDomain: freelists.org X-archive-position: 1348 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <52ac87d812dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > Sorry Paul you've lost me, but thanks for the thought anyway. Apologise. Again, I failed to read carefully. For some reason, when we're talking about OvationPro, I never think about the Windows version. I'll try to do better in the future (a distant one, I'm afraid). Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 9 14:54:29 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SoECj-0BF000-02-AhG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:54:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SoECj-0BF000-02-AhG; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:40:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SoECj-0BF000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:40:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SoECg-0007ID-0t for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:40:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0792EDA397; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:40:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341841238; bh=L5GLQxoBUfD+b55CIKPnQmTkCQgr3c8+aN3g4WIp LwI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=bluelN gf3md4xQ/1MJYgOV7SWIQqaJKghOJ6oklAL9xEP3G4HI91eGkkniALYokUBnKpG8K6X QtaAabMvpwzI0poa+mwuzl9Pa4OU2FDerGUo0Xyj/LJ90ZkqTEVMecZrbTBm0Ofu+ch mR2hMuRKI/M2zgVW28e7AMrd+xCvGtE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZUpCZZy0dAJY; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 694FFED8D4D; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:40:25 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341841237; bh=L5GLQxoBUfD+b55CIKPnQmTkCQgr3c8+aN3g4WIp LwI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=HIwGmN Yu2ZH4dLEJXN5JmICPpaS4JGFlzbsp8mjJ8+ALQX/AUPl12mGma13vSZF38rbhh/Lt/ msy2+ZDevFN9ER6QdE7GaL4ARDDiEM2BxpV6+cBrnf80eTqgy0mFGUV5uf0jv40Vngh RHzaJ7YH9WuNO0qAAyizoR03xb0ncX0= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:40:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BD88EDA1BE for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:40:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rZIv6t1XvU7S for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avasout03.plus.net (avasout03.plus.net [84.93.230.244]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47A1FED8D4D for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix2. ([80.229.143.2]) by avasout03 with smtp id YDgM1j00403K0D401DgNz6; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:40:22 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=J/goHXbS c=1 sm=1 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:17 a=Z3JaGL3UXBMA:10 a=UqLKJQKHlzgA:10 a=ihvODaAuJD4A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=fuTvgpd5QVL9h0CFPoYA:9 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=nl1k-gVaIn8fn2wC:21 a=yJ7ZTQsMNCaZTP0Y:21 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:117 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:39:22 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Copying a Jpeg graphic to the Clipboard on Win OvPro Message-ID: <52ac988a0dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <52ac87d812dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52ac78e462dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac7a2391Paul@sprie.nl> <52ac87d812dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1349 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <52ac87d812dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > I can copy and paste a graphic from one OvPro document to another > OvPro document. > I cannot copy a graphic from a Windows Ovation Pro document (To the > global clipboard) and paste into a similar type application. Are you sure Paul isn't on the right track. I don't use Win OPro, but on ROS, when you copy and paste a frame with a graphic, it is the frame that is copy/pasted, not the independent graphic. This is true whether it is a separate frame or an embedded graphic. If Windows operates its clipboard in a similar way, very few apps, if any, will be able to paste an OPro frame containg a graphic - they won't know how to extract the actual graphic data. On RISC OS you cannot copy/paste an OPro graphic frame into an Impression document or TechWriter document and vice versa. I have just tried it now. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 9 15:39:31 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SoExL-0khVbs-05-9we.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 15:39:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SoExL-0khVbs-05-9we; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:28:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SoExL-0khVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:28:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SoExI-0006uL-Nc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:28:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7FE2EDAB1A; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:28:50 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341844130; bh=DHdUepaTcH9Prmc48kukaTQOHMIoC0+2V6dQHbW7 e1I=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=nHcaUM wfcWpD4cohJ9gtDvmlVA4JN74Ax6tDsK9WWH4CstC+pPTRjUaV24dnmkMmNH0OK69Or MhOKVSb3icEZ8Q3lJrgGmH2deKSnoOMdYwbf1eDSSuVQmO5sXXc5YlsWRyjaSXr+Oqs a3oYLJ7zsTYFXZ3Tl9wf/tU7Cr41970= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lYcsm2ad8tY7; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E93CEDA9AE; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:28:37 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341844129; bh=DHdUepaTcH9Prmc48kukaTQOHMIoC0+2V6dQHbW7 e1I=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=vt0QS4 dk58VmnJQH4QiURsrkaDnszFJB8SoADrjimlCuVkk2A8S6qYV7qiGzbSxj5WPJlsyUB tPyQhcaYnDNOHZAVvA5EJEDgBms9ZRQ2sz1z4yF4hPkhRKBFVUgxYnX0Cmsbj+0LiAF rWyQw1QRHsO3KgeNd7KyVHv6yWGHYzw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:28:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34688EDA9D8 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:28:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T2B+VfcQsdmW for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CDC8EDA9AE for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SoEx1-0006o8-Xb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:28:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:27:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Copying a Jpeg graphic to the Clipboard on Win OvPro Message-ID: <52ac9cf455charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52ac988a0dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <52ac78e462dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac7a2391Paul@sprie.nl> <52ac87d812dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac988a0dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.18) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1350 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <52ac988a0dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <52ac87d812dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > I can copy and paste a graphic from one OvPro document to another > > OvPro document. > > I cannot copy a graphic from a Windows Ovation Pro document (To the > > global clipboard) and paste into a similar type application. > Are you sure Paul isn't on the right track. I don't use Win OPro, but > on ROS, when you copy and paste a frame with a graphic, it is the > frame that is copy/pasted, not the independent graphic. This is true > whether it is a separate frame or an embedded graphic. If Windows > operates its clipboard in a similar way, very few apps, if any, will > be able to paste an OPro frame containg a graphic - they won't know > how to extract the actual graphic data. > On RISC OS you cannot copy/paste an OPro graphic frame into an > Impression document or TechWriter document and vice versa. I have > just tried it now. you go to "save picture" in the save menu -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 9 16:24:32 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SoFkb-0I6GPo-05-99O.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:24:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SoFkb-0I6GPo-05-99O; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:19:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SoFkb-0I6GPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:19:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SoFkX-0005H2-10 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:19:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58AC8EDAA1D; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:19:42 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341847182; bh=PsghTH+4a4FvPLvAT/Icf7py4ptm7rX+3ZD5tTOR YgI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=IDvAKl aPd3OMeLBKiaqERrUyv1V+ipgxedC/bdjQBytWIrSsje0Rb75XkLbl92grP6HgtdACl 6nw7Mu3huMFGeR/6UaNH6X/BytbF4+nZTmbSf+kLW5J7qpJ0u3jCClYTQnsrG/SzYGC /3/H2TMRRNnqzpUJfDiQdHSkMIkXR3s= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TfAZg23EUotD; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 155F5EDA477; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:19:29 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341847181; bh=PsghTH+4a4FvPLvAT/Icf7py4ptm7rX+3ZD5tTOR YgI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=T/oyCa syKZ8VZvoSG269uF5DLS4gBcST9rYdYGOova4jJEU/Y9YmvswiLOwKglbkm3bmEfE8w 33bH7XvY4x6+qiE5+hsDWvZBMwjB/p0jzi6t7mYNhI5d0Y1PnHwVOQojP+ev88A54IA +14Xz8zaoAo/n06aoeKMBt3NgK0MKoY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:19:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC658EDA4A3 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:19:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id haiT1XqkcxDb for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D155EDA467 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.122.72]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q69FJCOd020662 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:19:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:07:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Copying a Jpeg graphic to the Clipboard on Win OvPro Message-ID: <52aca09793dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52ac9cf455charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <52ac78e462dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac7a2391Paul@sprie.nl> <52ac87d812dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac988a0dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <52ac9cf455charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1351 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <52ac9cf455charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: [Snippy] > you go to "save picture" in the save menu No you don't! Well you can if you want to, because yes that's how you save out a picture. That is not what I want, it is a lot of extra work in an already tedious document re-construction. I want my two docs on screen, I want to copy and paste text from one to the other, and similarly I want to copy and paste graphics (Jpegs) from one to the other. Anything else is pointless extra work. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 9 16:24:32 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SoFkh-2yEVbs-08-99I.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:24:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SoFkh-2yEVbs-08-99I; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:19:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SoFkh-2yEVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:19:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SoFkZ-0006bP-Sg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:19:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51F99EDAAA1; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:19:43 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341847183; bh=78T/2qPWyDF62XILOEsgDCySqIFUFBOS7jzli04u +RM=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=FpoQiW u7V3dOyR6Q9cHIYvjNV/E7VEiA6UCJkv0M7onnXCLV4G0loI/mFeDmdaXfbABWZzhYU GcpIAghQcc4+Bf2j9KesokyeRM1wkVTvaBBNKFnMLmQk7h9BCqcqXm5mYPNBK7bkeWb d7/c9F1FeWJc39XEbuTeu65xTQRcT8Q= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xuc8X42aiheZ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29069EDA4BD; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:19:29 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341847181; bh=78T/2qPWyDF62XILOEsgDCySqIFUFBOS7jzli04u +RM=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Q4eSxt XUwPl8gHsyKMHVAFvI0i2BDxCEsedHUxGrw42Z0uBbjMOH0f0RMyT9UBYn/hVtu1rAb Q5gBZgGIms8QgW7hXyIrVJ45fgh/fwIUP4/8wIVEP0NYVNLHDnbocwAdeP6wEysrR5H w3nO8s7Ht/pFM0Iz+TjcKqq84Kz3LdY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:19:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3E8DEDA467 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:19:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ewPX6UQDWTDi for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68189EDA477 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.122.72]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q69FJCOf020662 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:19:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:18:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Copying a Jpeg graphic to the Clipboard on Win OvPro Message-ID: <52aca19b30dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52ac988a0dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <52ac78e462dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac7a2391Paul@sprie.nl> <52ac87d812dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac988a0dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1352 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <52ac988a0dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <52ac87d812dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > I can copy and paste a graphic from one OvPro document to another > > OvPro document. > > I cannot copy a graphic from a Windows Ovation Pro document (To the > > global clipboard) and paste into a similar type application. > Are you sure Paul isn't on the right track. I don't use Win OPro, but > on ROS, when you copy and paste a frame with a graphic, it is the > frame that is copy/pasted, not the independent graphic. This is true > whether it is a separate frame or an embedded graphic. If Windows > operates its clipboard in a similar way, very few apps, if any, will > be able to paste an OPro frame containg a graphic - they won't know > how to extract the actual graphic data. > On RISC OS you cannot copy/paste an OPro graphic frame into an > Impression document or TechWriter document and vice versa. I have > just tried it now. Yes, yes, I think more seasoned RO users are aware of that limitation, but lets face it RISC OS is so archiac it's a wonder its clipboard can do anything here in 2012. Windows is supposed to have a rather more sophisticated set of Clipboard hooks, so I just expect apps running under windows to do what they are supposed to. Damit all... I can copy and paste a jpeg out of a frame in Word and paste it into Win OvPro, but I can't do the reverse with the exact same jpeg. I've got enough problems as it is sorting her problems, without this one making everything even more difficult. It's enough to start a fella back into grumpy mode. ;-) Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 9 16:24:32 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SoFos-0avGPo-04-957.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:24:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SoFos-0avGPo-04-957; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:24:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SoFos-0avGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:24:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SoFop-00070l-PB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:24:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DF4AEDAB51; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:24:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341847449; bh=qXnAtVm3GuubL5/9nnaJwpEfPSvZ5RmWO7uVi3/x 7C4=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=oz+BVa QG7ehAR0P6t3raHJVStIOxFIP7knltgQg7cQVvdtSkTTufsF6/guapZ3xSKneu+SBrs dXKPx5Y8OASjwv1QWtZQm6SS0BIbrSeAxZKQ74QXjx6Wk6Opz/FTbfS6wIaV9PJx3cV kSjmUoL6d4664CBLSHIyYtJ1WohPmus= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0RZB-ISNt1m5; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91EECED9B8E; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:23:55 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341847448; bh=qXnAtVm3GuubL5/9nnaJwpEfPSvZ5RmWO7uVi3/x 7C4=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=rYFEKB BNJ540tu6yJt/4KpALvdC0Zt/z/oUGYXrcUPTJSkcZqWEew4+1z5JSXAC6mcokXTvdm 6pkm8lTIM7kBho+/FFjQMgmTB8XYeipkM5zacJv5X7Q7FO6PjY3HpZlR+SnfHj+8Vf1 fdH63lhSez4m/YO11Nrvaij2ur7FeMQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:23:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69D7EED9C00 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:23:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9P9cClx2P1Oy for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A513ED9B8E for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.122.72]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q69FNfZ4020801 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:23:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:24:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Copying a Jpeg graphic to the Clipboard on Win OvPro Message-ID: <52aca230f9dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52aca19b30dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52ac78e462dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac7a2391Paul@sprie.nl> <52ac87d812dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac988a0dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <52aca19b30dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1353 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 09 Jul, dave@triffid.co.uk wrote: > I've got enough problems as it is sorting her problems, without this one > making everything even more difficult. There is an additional Win OvPro problem, if I attempt to copy and paste out of OvPro to other Win apps (Fails) it does something to the Win clipboard which prevents it working correctly with other Win apps to Win apps until I've quit OvPro. D -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 9 17:09:34 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SoGJ2-23Kknw-07-8ax.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:09:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SoGJ2-23Kknw-07-8ax; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:55:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SoGJ2-23Kknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:55:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SoGIz-00069t-1X for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 15:55:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9A4FEDAA0B; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:55:18 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (95-89-83-248-dynip.superkabel.de [95.89.83.248]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LZlXA-1S4ynj3Htk-00lTdT; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:55:03 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Copying a Jpeg graphic to the Clipboard on Win OvPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:54:55 +0200 Message-ID: References: <52ac78e462dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac7a2391Paul@sprie.nl> <52ac87d812dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac988a0dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <52aca19b30dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52aca19b30dave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.18) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:xhF+w3JDIHgWvS8zcIQ0E+NiCLn6QW00QNnWEwk0U5h t/F5fO5Kl1a4w4+n0b89e6JZDU5kPm6wYn3aEq7BhSn8ZY9QK8 ToXB4gCRtGhCK88cwzXRx4z4BWpmn9e7z5oyGzfDvVbOimWmNI 2awNebn8hXxp6VeRf8rxQTbHxHrTzLchSDRu7Xsj3PiwHaCTRa XEC3S4+nxHX0VrM9KDVvjZhzexewKwFoLlV/cVGiil9Z1xTslW jU6B6pzLN5qCUHn4WYxnK2jkwfZOA5l1v8X63C+wqg4hCDCpL5 qrYpbNHjWmQfyB4emsTNpkYzzRvNIXRCNigSJTedkjOlJVkc1s MQx5/B5cEnZKjUqJC9eo= X-archive-position: 1354 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <52aca19b30dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <52ac988a0dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, > Chris Johnson wrote: >> On RISC OS you cannot copy/paste an OPro graphic frame into an >> Impression document or TechWriter document and vice versa. I have >> just tried it now. You can copy and paste JPEGs from TechWriter to OPro. > Yes, yes, I think more seasoned RO users are aware of that limitation, but > lets face it RISC OS is so archiac it's a wonder its clipboard can do > anything here in 2012. Really? The RISC OS clipboard can do that easily. It is just that most applications do not use it to its full potential. > Windows is supposed to have a rather more sophisticated set of Clipboard > hooks, so I just expect apps running under windows to do what they are > supposed to. And so you would on RISC OS. The Windows and RISC OS clipboard protocols are actually quite similar. The reason why this fails for OvationPro is due to the same reason on both platforms. 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([80.229.143.2]) by avasout03 with smtp id YG1M1j00503K0D401G1NmN; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:01:22 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=J/goHXbS c=1 sm=1 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:17 a=Z3JaGL3UXBMA:10 a=UqLKJQKHlzgA:10 a=ihvODaAuJD4A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=w5WhROzUAAAA:8 a=cq7b3JY1kruQEh8W620A:9 a=lvDWz0sJlbRna-Jv:21 a=EcOZnp4c3xqG8V7p:21 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:117 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:01:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Copying a Jpeg graphic to the Clipboard on Win OvPro Message-ID: <52aca588ebchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <52ac9cf455charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <52ac78e462dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac7a2391Paul@sprie.nl> <52ac87d812dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac988a0dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <52ac9cf455charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1355 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <52ac9cf455charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: > you go to "save picture" in the save menu Yes - that is what Paul said originally. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 9 17:09:34 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SoGPv-2FoVbs-02-H0a.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120709-0, 09/07/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 1356 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.jordan9@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <52ac6d6a0cdave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > Nothing to do particularly with OvPro except maybe (*), but my footnote to > the discussion... [snip] I have followed this whole discussion and your trials and tribulations with interest. I had the need to produce an epub document a year or so ago; not having your tenacity I retired hurt and the document wasn't ever produced. That particular project is water under the bridge now but I have noted and recorded your solution against the day I might need to do this again. Thanks. -- Brian Jordan Virtual RPC-AdjustSA RISC OS 6.20 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 9 17:09:35 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SoGUL-17vVbs-03-GwA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:09:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SoGUL-17vVbs-03-GwA; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:07:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SoGUL-17vVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:07:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SoGUG-0004Mk-Qf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:07:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90000EDA098; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:06:59 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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t=1341850018; bh=cXcBWGmQu3JLJtAHfNo7Faw3ESOMm1A8yWiBSeA1 hWQ=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=NpTi550yhxjjxW1WlGXdWp0qc2Bg5dm2dutBx0Cmd5CdOxPpi7 FGIMjfwsx7WJmu3T4NRvctfz0adlhYNx8LIHd5Qy8DMkrI2yk7niOOMZzI7b9qHPH+z J+wIBy4V3wGlU3Uqn4StabBJjwmFjSov+j9ZZK3b3Ncd/jUHehDBHE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 12:06:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 159C6EDA07C for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:06:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0PNIltysdu6n for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44288ED9DD2 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120709160638.ZDJK3118.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:06:38 +0100 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.29.205.249]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120709160638.SEPF10303.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:06:38 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Copying a Jpeg graphic to the Clipboard on Win OvPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:06:29 +0100 Message-ID: <4102a6ac52.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <52ac78e462dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac7a2391Paul@sprie.nl> <52ac87d812dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac988a0dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <52aca19b30dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=VdgNzmuW7WWMT1Qny0gF8TcKsDP1s+e8NM1Fi0y20Rs= c=1 sm=0 a=AACbn2ZCvCEA:10 a=V2ry4OBbyMEA:10 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=Fo629JBiKkOGPGhwc5MA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=H1VWFkjt3qPcwzD7:21 a=9WfSaK3uQzejBcNk:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 1357 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <52aca19b30dave@triffid.co.uk> > Dave Symes wrote: >> In article <52ac988a0dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, >> Chris Johnson wrote: >>> On RISC OS you cannot copy/paste an OPro graphic frame into an >>> Impression document or TechWriter document and vice versa. I have >>> just tried it now. > You can copy and paste JPEGs from TechWriter to OPro. >> Yes, yes, I think more seasoned RO users are aware of that limitation, but >> lets face it RISC OS is so archiac it's a wonder its clipboard can do >> anything here in 2012. > Really? The RISC OS clipboard can do that easily. It is just that most > applications do not use it to its full potential. >> Windows is supposed to have a rather more sophisticated set of Clipboard >> hooks, so I just expect apps running under windows to do what they are >> supposed to. > And so you would on RISC OS. The Windows and RISC OS clipboard > protocols are actually quite similar. The reason why this fails for > OvationPro is due to the same reason on both platforms. Martin, could you take us through that step by step please? Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 9 17:09:35 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SoGWR-3Oyknw-07-Gu4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:09:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SoGWR-3Oyknw-07-Gu4; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:09:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SoGWR-3Oyknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:09:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SoGWN-0004e0-Fb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:09:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B15F0EDA568; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:09:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341850148; bh=eX/yGZ01zA3ZSSuWRq5P0i+GK+rear8/kaT0zPqO LvA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=EGUto3QofeEoNx5QTlTUqHMxSNw95koEs2EXnMX1WR/bjrZ8uU VFo1ebVDQ6IOFmwSKYAQ7LMAiuoMds205FcFuKdgE5N6z6Jaj/LUvQkB9tL8tjfikqE /eUPI+2mEsho7C/tbo1UW316FwVtdJPrR7016oQiZO7pn7AxyfRfkI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IU0z9+K28yZE; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37B5DEDA08C; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:08:55 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341850147; bh=eX/yGZ01zA3ZSSuWRq5P0i+GK+rear8/kaT0zPqO LvA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=nuaJQbJrp9GAupphonE9pmRzZPA68LkpR71m9gdLuepRXLzUv7 UJAqTDv4a7GQhCCQfrb3ooMUl7BWbZGZ/EYL+d7wA5LlZhyCR4s1oWZsbR1Fhjq/Dzn sHZ+KPOAE2yf+kmk+o/lJcvJYXSc3nBWnM2zFITVbKPTB40Y3CxRuo= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 12:08:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12549EDA3BB for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:08:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lKVZwkJYDXXY for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9828AEDA08C for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SoGW4-0003cZ-ha for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:08:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:07:56 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Copying a Jpeg graphic to the Clipboard on Win OvPro References: <52ac78e462dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac7a2391Paul@sprie.nl> <52ac87d812dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac988a0dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <52aca19b30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52aca230f9dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52aca230f9dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1358 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, Firstly, and stating the obvious for many users, distinguish between selecting the picture and selecting the picture frame. Frames can only be copied within Ovation Pro, other apps don't understand an OP frame. You select a picture by double clicking it - the picture adjustment gadget will then appear (three handles you can use to resize the image). Having selected the picture, copy/paste via the clipboard ought to work. Note, I'm not saying that it does work. Clive Bonsall reported some problems a few months back which I have yet to sort out. Copy of Windows bmp usually works for me. It looks to me as if JPEG copy to the clipboard does nothing. I'm not sure about OP corrupting the clipboard, once an app (e.g. another app) copies to the clipboard it claims it, and it then belongs to the new app. There is also the possibility of say a picture being copied to the clipboard in one format and pasted in another. So your app where copying a JPEG does work, might be sending it to the destination as .bmp. Offering conversions like that is a step beyond where I want to go. Fixing any bugs or standard things that don't work is within my aspirations. As consolation, on RISC OS at least you can, having selected your picture, drag and drop it into another app. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 9 19:54:30 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SoIuP-1jP000-03-EW6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:54:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SoIuP-1jP000-03-EW6; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 18:42:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SoIuP-1jP000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 18:42:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SoIuK-0007Rr-Ty for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 18:42:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16E93EDA34C; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:42:01 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341859321; bh=YlzS5knTggoNDvB7dKZWsN+LBlNixL9/Ou+WPWQI /FY=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=FZN4kP yfrAgxqpqfSjqUkKhfMDF/Z+86CAjonscnTBpzCOr6JRuJkexzTOy/ORBrPX26tdmsD vFx2MboT+y8jR7RkZJ/EXdq27/G7VkNrTcdNvTDiBc8VflETwijzLCBK7qQ8AOtTsE/ E4CkbWw7qGmFKCgydj8QzoAw3jSuUEg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ULayp969PIMJ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A318FEDA211; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:41:47 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341859320; bh=YlzS5knTggoNDvB7dKZWsN+LBlNixL9/Ou+WPWQI /FY=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=rk8ePn sgXviNPxPNNNyyzgojN3slQOWWVD/4pKHEREnmfwRVVIZdtmz+jH+nuyVccbuuZMamk bQcdC3/OtVOI+IPCeLuROWA0OOZC1aOX/1vYQxxgtlli5gw648zIuTvkNMBJMK0O6Jd 3HrpxfokeaodKTAFfanv4MVvB3aEqnw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:41:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B9C9EDA05A for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:41:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zIciXzuIdV6x for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1633DEDA211 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.122.72]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q69Ifd02027590 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:41:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:40:16 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52acb41659dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0e89a5ac52.Brian@brian.jordan9.btinternet.com> References: <52a63cfdbddave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac6d6a0cdave@triffid.co.uk> <0e89a5ac52.Brian@brian.jordan9.btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1360 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <0e89a5ac52.Brian@brian.jordan9.btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan wrote: > In message <52ac6d6a0cdave@triffid.co.uk> > Dave Symes wrote: > > Nothing to do particularly with OvPro except maybe (*), but my footnote to > > the discussion... > [snip] > I have followed this whole discussion and your trials and tribulations > with interest. I had the need to produce an epub document a year or so > ago; not having your tenacity I retired hurt and the document wasn't > ever produced. That particular project is water under the bridge now > but I have noted and recorded your solution against the day I might > need to do this again. Thanks. You are welcome... If anyone needs to go through the same process... Out of RO into PC and eventually an Epub, encounters difficulties you can contact me as I might have some useful tips. A short while ago, I worked out a formula for her to make the placing of graphics within the epub document easier and consistent. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 9 19:54:30 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SoIuX-282GPo-07-EVy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:54:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SoIuX-282GPo-07-EVy; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 18:42:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SoIuX-282GPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 18:42:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SoIuR-00025y-3f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 18:42:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 263DCEDA3FA; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:42:02 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341859322; bh=ZjgIJvkp1vv0DYzM7qESHcIRYeToDWBAmD6kL5hL fMw=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=bzzCQi viGxygiQ/UNR+M71nJK3yPWAn+NZIIAAcFpjXSzhi6qnjdmHxVbeXyMKBIXWxA8nufa lHPW2PUwxVAF2CEzEEHGY1tNes8ldJsjynXiCKRjP5N+/1Nc5ALm+jTR/uPQKZEkCdc Zq33GVXz8oq5u1yVQvKfd5OrF9wrdaw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VHl6ZzOQ-Ab2; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4E43EDA25A; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:41:47 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341859320; bh=ZjgIJvkp1vv0DYzM7qESHcIRYeToDWBAmD6kL5hL fMw=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=VxNxQW KRRm1GFg30Ytbh74/nTCtK6mcT3uSXiKGNhFDJEYIAIaUhqqRdnEPPB7acBWX+4ustN YvJoOS2Uzd2DEdkFaXgBDQFLBvJsMhWJ9jx++QLVIHk78CYeyG/JNvaLMxYd9RhTRyw /qUrPx8rs1vSwCnZBVuXQN7hPDfe5/8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:41:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 547D4EDA214 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:41:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uqtvam2irqpf for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25472EDA05A for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.122.72]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q69Ifd00027590 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:41:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:34:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Copying a Jpeg graphic to the Clipboard on Win OvPro Message-ID: <52acb38c80dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <52ac78e462dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac7a2391Paul@sprie.nl> <52ac87d812dave@triffid.co.uk> <52ac988a0dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <52aca19b30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52aca230f9dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1359 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Firstly, and stating the obvious for many users, distinguish between > selecting the picture and selecting the picture frame. > Frames can only be copied within Ovation Pro, other apps don't > understand an OP frame. You select a picture by double clicking it - the > picture adjustment gadget will then appear (three handles you can use to > resize the image). Having selected the picture, copy/paste via the > clipboard ought to work. Indeedy, I am aware of the above. > Note, I'm not saying that it does work. Clive Bonsall reported some > problems a few months back which I have yet to sort out. > Copy of Windows bmp usually works for me. It looks to me as if JPEG copy > to the clipboard does nothing. Indeedy in this one case I can copy out of OvPro and paste into another Win app, but only if the graphic is a BMP. But for obvious reasons, they *never* are BMPs. > I'm not sure about OP corrupting the clipboard, once an app (e.g. > another app) copies to the clipboard it claims it, and it then belongs > to the new app. It appears to be a case of, when attempting to copy out of OvPro and paste elsewhere, because it fails, OvPro is not releasing the clipboard. It's not until OvPro is quit (Here anyway) that the clipboard starts to work again. > There is also the possibility of say a picture being copied to the > clipboard in one format and pasted in another. So your app where copying > a JPEG does work, might be sending it to the destination as .bmp. > Offering conversions like that is a step beyond where I want to go. Examining something I've just copied and pasted... The original is Jpeg, the copy/pasted is also a jpeg, but I take your point onboard. > Fixing any bugs or standard things that don't work is within my > aspirations. > As consolation, on RISC OS at least you can, having selected your > picture, drag and drop it into another app. Indeedy and we use it quite often, unfortunately, because of the end result we are after, the work has to be done on a Win PC, thus Copy and Paste graphics out of Win OvPro is a top requirement for the project. Thanks for the input. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 10 21:29:55 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sogu7-2aJVbs-07-G5w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:29:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sogu7-2aJVbs-07-G5w; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:19:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sogu7-2aJVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:19:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sogu7-0003S0-41 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:19:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE8B9EDAD30; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 16:19:25 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341951565; bh=28wPJ2w4Mjgl2575rxM9WXrhSI3lpxB/MyEF6274 EjQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=QUab8U0acd+L3vwv1j7cxQM4+1GYs uAil2OEdmo+6y8Wd/nvJLNTj5rL1i1kf+Rbx0AlRFP+UnIaPK0iKpeWxpL1dI7hsfmz CAfX/GC1ILkkANrx9X+X2i3KP+BslGrg0Dos6kWckquxmqmh5X88urNUMigMuqHSqlh 7LAmw3YE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KDNEbZazZA3s; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 16:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96EDBEDA2B7; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 16:19:12 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341951565; bh=28wPJ2w4Mjgl2575rxM9WXrhSI3lpxB/MyEF6274 EjQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=QUab8U0acd+L3vwv1j7cxQM4+1GYs uAil2OEdmo+6y8Wd/nvJLNTj5rL1i1kf+Rbx0AlRFP+UnIaPK0iKpeWxpL1dI7hsfmz CAfX/GC1ILkkANrx9X+X2i3KP+BslGrg0Dos6kWckquxmqmh5X88urNUMigMuqHSqlh 7LAmw3YE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Jul 2012 16:19:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68E9FEDA3B1 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 16:19:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g-m-Qibs1HfW for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 16:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A112EDA2B7 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 16:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.122.72]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q6AKJ5FJ012347 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:19:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:20:03 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Document is truncated Message-ID: <52ad410ef6dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1361 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling I've just received an OvPro document, and when I try to open it in either OvPros it fails. On RISC OS it drops out and presents the message "Document is truncated" Any idea what this actually means and is there a fix. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 10 22:29:57 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SohnA-1EU000-02-FCt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:29:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SohnA-1EU000-02-FCt; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:16:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SohnA-1EU000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:16:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sohn3-0003tZ-OZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:16:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F5BCEDAE55; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:16:12 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341954972; bh=2CEn/AiMCpbtS9X0NdIU1dq5DD8IFEj4VU2mg+qh yl8=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=e8tiNpmGlKc8bIzm0Nk17Tf+yIphsI4O88UDccZiADoo+hjTsy kggqW2xsFZBlIcrJEgASZna1VB5x+hQBi1BCClOn7+SWDC2/dMvoLD5CxdYzFgOKD0/ vAeN0jD0PxlO4qSufOmRDqN0dpbriL+ZiSDzCmmU6kzQ8AUsDliOVA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eVKUsw8vGWOD; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDAD7EDAE61; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:15:58 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341954971; bh=2CEn/AiMCpbtS9X0NdIU1dq5DD8IFEj4VU2mg+qh yl8=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=I44uX3dENhShNerq+/atNs72aSOAHAuozfvWkM2ca4MjfHWQCj HIn2Xmy2fvNWyD3DipW9r6mGHuLVRi5nuoOipAwsbCoxCl+rWKymkKYqEQDP3wCbCES 3W1MmO5e4/2+OvrTPbzEuKYjOGgl6vjBOq0MSI7/FFPLNWp/H1UTWE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:15:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF597EDAE77 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:15:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tnyvKFYZqS7G for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07568EDAE61 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 17:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Sohml-0004iU-ac for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:15:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 22:15:07 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Document is truncated References: <52ad410ef6dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52ad410ef6dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1362 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <52ad410ef6dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >I've just received an OvPro document, and when I try to open it in either >OvPros it fails. >On RISC OS it drops out and presents the message "Document is truncated" >Any idea what this actually means and is there a fix. It can mean what it says - document should be 200K long, and you've only got 100K of it. Happens easily with email and file transfer. I'd be inclined to ask the sender for another copy. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 11 11:39:27 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SoooM-15A000-06-GiD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:39:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SoooM-15A000-06-GiD; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 04:46:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SoooM-15A000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 04:46:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SoooL-0003DP-Rt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 04:46:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E2D6ED98AC; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 00:46:00 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341981960; bh=MfNmG3U+/Zxt6jZwuSdjZMKaKbPPH/rV3dF3cIpX Kg8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=epV6cF ddI/ax4umagOB3+l1LYfZzk5WCQhi24df0hX8t1kyDLWWAw+USezwoIqOQ9ITZBgS95 IM70JNPsk10bLLr01+awFLSPTvdxN62adeGFjapW0rN0MZaiRq4j2pxw2JA3DPmoIYP V02B6gnCkC0aoQ4kPcfxvOROn5UR7L8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0lfqX+QpQkIq; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 00:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B418ED98AB; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 00:45:47 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1341981959; bh=MfNmG3U+/Zxt6jZwuSdjZMKaKbPPH/rV3dF3cIpX Kg8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=VG4qrf 3TpiLccGHMhbntudgD8r8+AxHT1cWW5RoGWMhPQS2k7o2dv7BVOfS3/C5JPIfaVZFFw /61GMWPoQitLNL7/L4z9CnD6g+3NpGGe9PuI4iMISCeKcaaoVwNHWtwNM1fPsBAuMK4 FYd9dnaUtpm60WlqdsLf5piKGkH9jWY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 11 Jul 2012 00:45:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05DE2ED96EE for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 00:45:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PRPCYvCa-UuX for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 00:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4530EED98AB for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 00:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.122.72]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q6B4jaK1026542 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 05:45:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 05:46:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Document is truncated Message-ID: <52ad6f6f62dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <52ad410ef6dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1363 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <52ad410ef6dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >I've just received an OvPro document, and when I try to open it in > >either OvPros it fails. On RISC OS it drops out and presents the > >message "Document is truncated" Any idea what this actually means and > >is there a fix. > It can mean what it says - document should be 200K long, and you've only > got 100K of it. Happens easily with email and file transfer. > I'd be inclined to ask the sender for another copy. Thanks. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jul 12 12:48:44 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SpHkL-0Gk000-07-DLm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:48:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SpHkL-0Gk000-07-DLm; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:39:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SpHkL-0Gk000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:39:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SpHkK-0004vu-G2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:39:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27E8EED9C83; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:39:47 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342093187; bh=kmQji/ZI0IcsSJsN7rbn+LgEGowpbv4XMmWOvTtq Kr0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=G9EUv0Y1yZDDwvI74SclP0bXwEX1o qT+ApZAJkmKZ6LY0w4sPDZzrTOyB/pL/DEvsh7eBHCxsHuJRaEo8efZ2Cw2NuCPMobE VfXlthx0zYhpiaCTRiP0cjBgTZen4o+DLVA3G0V1ZUR94s/Sua/9iP0gXErulV6A534 vBUbpXJw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rIaVKVXK1jhu; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB5E1EDB34B; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:39:33 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342093186; bh=kmQji/ZI0IcsSJsN7rbn+LgEGowpbv4XMmWOvTtq Kr0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=CJr0soFJLyh688ZspRu1STsHNe2HY AD7SSjxrF0PH9Scd+9HmjxHWE7djQcwkFUtZ9QuFJIHcg0mtjDI/NZbZjp1Dh2x+qi1 peyqN+vcih2SHj+wY9FyZGX2MQBxHFZzve8ztHYhkJosxYil8/r0aWXQyNdmJI/PKOQ BFWgibwc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:39:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63360EDB35A for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:39:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 79TdKX1stM4e for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1AE7EDB34B for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SpHk3-0000xm-ns for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:39:31 +0000 Message-ID: <8c+6hjDZcr$PFwJ4@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:38:01 +0100 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] accounts getting hacked... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1364 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, I'm involved with a number of mail lists. What keeps happening is that people's aol or yahoo accounts get hacked in to and are used to send spam to their contacts - including the lists. I'm interested how this happens. Partly because if I knew how it happened I could tell people how to stop it. It has not happened on this list yet - I assumed there were no yahoo/aol users, but there are a small number. Guesses include, people putting the information necessary to reset their password elsewhere on the web (e.g. Facebook), apparently this is how Sarah Palin (lipstick pitbull etc.) had her yahoo account hacked. Weak passwords - do people leave them with their default values. If you're setting out to hack accounts, and 1 in 100 people use an obvious password (see the web for lists of common ones), then from the millions of accounts you'll get a good haul. There is also a bunching effect, people have said to me that the reason they got hacked was because they'd opened the web page in the spam email from another person who had been hacked. But maybe the bunching is because the hackers access address books and move on to the contacts of those they hack. Anyway if nothing else, a warning to use a decent password. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 14 19:47:21 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SpJ4F-2HD000-06-C1s.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 19:47:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SpJ4F-2HD000-06-C1s; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:04:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SpJ4F-2HD000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:04:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SpJ40-00022u-4I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:04:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 500E2EDB475; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:04:10 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342098250; bh=Lv5xdxiPI/88KAH5y1Ir5go0lLGJLRTTIbyZjPra P08=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Yi/wTqEzMqbp3qHtSz56K75Ye+o0V Ubl1MXNy3MFBpLozCP/yVa8qbp+/8TPLkNKs/fY5fHokwB81xOtjRxWc3BwyN5DwtDj 0IBGcm/eb3g7rkDmIfCf6Kgg+1KhZ1KCR6VQnC/EQauHK30eY+aKHijVGa+B/M9/j5G GaRCBOyU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZFcK9E58FeBb; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C82B1EDB379; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:03:56 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342098249; bh=Lv5xdxiPI/88KAH5y1Ir5go0lLGJLRTTIbyZjPra P08=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=j9jeqtfWWbdHq5u2CFbLFpZaj5D5p DvTlqr/wv6rtpkiMpi+J3UBoXLedCG8jnw1tkkyW53Jphzk9VDhD6r4fLVNcXYIgCrq fyrI3wzdjiJ2pccThNGIBRHH0rt3q0sVgcjys8LIvqfyEX9VEjVmiB8gUs5kJ68ln7O NEc+IOHo= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:03:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 983A0EDB443 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:03:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UhpCBPbzFF-d for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B221EDB379 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.122.72]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q6CD3fEk031770 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:03:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:04:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro to Epub (Out of Age old problem) Message-ID: <52ae20e1aedave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1365 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Good day folks. I've put together an OvPro document for Fay detailing how to get her material from an OvPro file processed and on until she ends up with a very good Epub file for her EReader. The process had to be straight forward and not require any Html or CSS editing, for though she is very computerate in some areas, she has absolutely no knowledge of Html/CSS. She appears to be very happy with the solution, and I think the recipe I've put together might be useful for others thinking of playing the EReader game. I've put an archive up on one of my sites, it contains the details with illustrations in an OvPro document, and for those without OvPro there's also a PDF version. http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/OvEpub.zip It's worth noting, my document only details the broad process, so if you want the general minutia of how to configure and use Kompozer, Calibre, and possibly Sigil, you'll need to consult their respective manuals. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From alan@adamshome.org.uk Sat Jul 14 19:47:21 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SpJ7K-08uVbs-07-Byn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 19:47:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SpJ7K-08uVbs-07-Byn; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:07:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SpJ7K-08uVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:07:38 +0000 Received: from [86.54.100.235] (helo=slinky.genesysnet.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SpJ7K-0001Va-Qm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:07:38 +0000 Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([109.176.196.219]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q6CD76qc031900 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:07:07 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] accounts getting hacked... To: David Pilling From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:06:50 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8c+6hjDZcr$PFwJ4@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8c+6hjDZcr$PFwJ4@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In message <8c+6hjDZcr$PFwJ4@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Hi, > I'm involved with a number of mail lists. What keeps happening is that > people's aol or yahoo accounts get hacked in to and are used to send > spam to their contacts - including the lists. > I'm interested how this happens. Partly because if I knew how it > happened I could tell people how to stop it. > It has not happened on this list yet - I assumed there were no yahoo/aol > users, but there are a small number. It isn't necessary for the spammer to have access to the email account of the apparent sender. There are lots of people selling lists of email addresses, and the spammers simply use these in the From field. The only way to check if this is the case is to compare the originating server (as shown in the headers) with the address it seems to be from. Usually they don't match. At least with MPro it's easy to see the headers. It's possible, but messy, to do so in Outlook. The only way to block the spam without blocking the genuine senders is to block each known spam source using the information in the headers. This is a big ask, because there are a lot of sources, and they change fairly rapidly. This is why there are blacklisting services, which will maintain known lists. The alternative is whitelisting - only accepting mail from senders already known to you. Usually that is not reaistic, but it can work for mailing lists. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 14 19:47:23 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SpJNI-4Qa000-04-Bip.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 19:47:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SpJNI-4Qa000-04-Bip; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:24:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SpJNI-4Qa000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:24:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SpJNG-0006Og-Uh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:24:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8AC3EDB57A; 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12 Jul 2012 06:23:00 -0700 PDT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro to Epub (Out of Age old problem) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Jordan X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:22:40 +0100 Message-ID: <968422ae52.Brian@brian.jordan9.btinternet.com> References: <52ae20e1aedave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52ae20e1aedave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.06 (MsgServe/6.04S) (RISC-OS/6.20) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120712-0, 12/07/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 1366 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.jordan9@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <52ae20e1aedave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > Good day folks. > I've put together an OvPro document for Fay detailing how to get her > material from an OvPro file processed and on until she ends up with a very > good Epub file for her EReader. [snip] Thanks for this Dave. I have just been presented with the problem of producing a web page that replicates as far as possible an original illustrated Word document [1] and which is stretching my css skills to the limit. I think this can possibly be done by following your method down to saving the HTML/css out of Kompozer. Who knows, maybe I'll improve my css knowledge by digging under the bonnet of the Kompozer output and if not it will at least provide an interesting distraction from another day which has just gone from pleasant to dreadful and driven me indoors. Brian [1] I know, but try telling them! -- ______________________________________________________________________ Brian Jordan >From somewhere in North Hampshire. England. UK. 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Thu, 12 Jul 2012 11:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=webmail.gol.com) by smtp11.dentaku.gol.com with smtp (Dentaku) (envelope-from ) id 1SpL6U-00028E-Q5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2012 00:14:54 +0900 Received: from 61.24.6.220 (auth. user plattir@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:14:54 +0000 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro to Epub (Out of Age old problem) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 15:14:54 +0000 X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52ae20e1aedave@triffid.co.uk> From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-archive-position: 1367 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Thanks Dave On 12/7/2012, "Dave Symes" wrote: >Good day folks. >I've put together an OvPro document for Fay detailing how to get her >material from an OvPro file processed and on until she ends up with a very >good Epub file for her EReader. > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 14 19:47:34 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SpLyh-2qYVbs-07-97Q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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list davidpilling); Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:10:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E691EDB253 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:10:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZENLmCp3kWRm for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (websrv.quantel.com [195.12.20.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADE9FEDB245 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:10:34 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <8c+6hjDZcr$PFwJ4@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <8c+6hjDZcr$PFwJ4@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: accounts getting hacked... Message-ID: From: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:11:14 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-archive-position: 1368 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling David Pilling wrote on 12/07/2012 12:38:01: > I'm interested how this happens. Partly because if I knew how it > happened I could tell people how to stop it. > A friend with an AOL account that was hacked was told by AOL to remove his own address from his contacts list. He has no idea why or if this helps and he has no idea how the hack was done. He was surprised to find his address in his contacts as he wasn't aware of putting it there. May or may not be helpful Andy Ling To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 14 19:47:35 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SpM1v-12rknw-04-94C.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 19:47:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SpM1v-12rknw-04-94C; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:14:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SpM1v-12rknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:14:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SpM1q-0002Z6-2G for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:14:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7AB5AEDB454; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:14:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342109648; bh=WPWMtcj35gwfEYQdTRTGsRDDx68Cu7uvFrtNTW6q Ak8=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=R2yiDbvJlZ2kG+6Z57+fb5xfa3vwlYVCX9zecy2X8QPB4GCq9a cpzcMeXMw/Cf/JmF77RMXAYCWJ6mJ9K7ut45Ioqf+ZY1QOiqUhf4Np3q+UGM9IFuRHy cMZ0ihDVAOj4b/MkLtD71e6mXcu/1aGkR/QwLbFXFt2qz1+uG68ccA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9WsgPHm7Y0nj; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48E65EDB363; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:13:55 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342109647; bh=WPWMtcj35gwfEYQdTRTGsRDDx68Cu7uvFrtNTW6q Ak8=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=JhIhYa/TkpM3cjyFB/O9ynJmjYRKHoU14txdZr8Vdp4AmIw+2H bxczuE0gH224k9YM4YAKvztbkBZ+QNXEBZxWRqdfEr6PD0V/rjTOmdaW9krTMSkb06J Z0jBqE9DoCUDk5pqZ3wQBeo4UhHFSy7X2zMIFyzFgZurILNZfHMyUY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:13:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BA69EDB430 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:13:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JAKJhDwhUdME for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [184.173.91.202]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B6D9EDB363 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.bordernet.com.au [184.173.91.202]) by mail.bordernet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7721C379B for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:13:51 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bordernet.com.au Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au ([184.173.91.202]) by localhost (hermes.bordernet.com.au [184.173.91.202]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CTlzhH2h4BMd for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:13:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from armini.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au (unknown [118.67.52.182]) by mail.bordernet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 124C7C38B9 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 16:13:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro to Epub (Out of Age old problem) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 23:54:59 GMT Message-ID: References: <52ae20e1aedave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52ae20e1aedave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.06 (MsgServe/6.04) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1369 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <52ae20e1aedave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: I'm one person who appreciates the work put into this by Dave. A big 'Thank You' from the southern hemisphere. > Good day folks. > I've put together an OvPro document for Fay detailing how to get her > material from an OvPro file processed and on until she ends up with a very > good Epub file for her EReader. > The process had to be straight forward and not require any Html or CSS > editing, for though she is very computerate in some areas, she has > absolutely no knowledge of Html/CSS. > She appears to be very happy with the solution, and I think the recipe > I've put together might be useful for others thinking of playing the > EReader game. > I've put an archive up on one of my sites, it contains the details with > illustrations in an OvPro document, and for those without OvPro there's > also a PDF version. > http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/OvEpub.zip > It's worth noting, my document only details the broad process, so if you > want the general minutia of how to configure and use Kompozer, Calibre, > and possibly Sigil, you'll need to consult their respective manuals. > Dave -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 14 19:47:36 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SpM8z-1eYGPo-03-8x8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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list davidpilling); Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:21:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33A05EDB490 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:21:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XickRdSz5DkS for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (websrv.quantel.com [195.12.20.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 820D6EDA24C for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:21:06 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <52ae20e1aedave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52ae20e1aedave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro to Epub (Out of Age old problem) Message-ID: From: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:21:38 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-archive-position: 1370 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling > From: Dave Symes > > Good day folks. > I've put together an OvPro document for Fay detailing how to get her > material from an OvPro file processed and on until she ends up with a very > good Epub file for her EReader. > Just for the fun of it, I've been having a play with this problem. I took a chapter from the OPW manual and printed it to PDF using PDFCreator on a PC. Then I tried converting it to ePub using Calibre. It made a complete mess of it. So I guess that matches Dave's experience. To be fair, Calibre does say it doesn't handle multiple columns well and PDF is its least preferred starting format. I then found a PDF to HTML converter ... http://download.cnet.com/Some-PDF-to-Html-Converter/3000-2079_4-10836738.html (make sure you untick the boxes for the toolbar install) This actually made quite a good job of converting the PDF to HTML. I then gave the HTML to Calibre and the result was much better. It had problems with font mappings, which I fixed by hand (there are probably settings to do this properly). So this may be a better route. It isn't perfect though. Also Calibre says you can plug in converters written in python. So it might be possible to write a DDL converter that would make an even better job of things. I don't have the time or inclination to pursue this any further, but someone might find this useful Regards Andy Ling To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 14 19:47:42 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SpNFx-2NAVbs-04-GMg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 19:47:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SpNFx-2NAVbs-04-GMg; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:32:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SpNFx-2NAVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:32:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SpNFt-0004lv-W0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:32:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0335AEDB5D7; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:32:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342114364; bh=TgOwteESKz4pEIZovnsRqtzxVBVapjGlHQNgZHob tOg=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=wBw5is q+9d/kE+SMswuEMVP9QYokVSn7fU+1CLfvavwkJu8rUQiCawWh8zTC+kTr5I41vgdiS j9xvMp10luJdmBRl7det/buNrtQhxmeI9KsgTK5JAx2K2AIePnOUXkIl/0avE3J7SKD zplByFuR/6ilsRV8IuBXnmOuz7eg+l0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YY6LSpW+GL+U; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0A4BEDB4D2; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:32:30 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342114363; bh=TgOwteESKz4pEIZovnsRqtzxVBVapjGlHQNgZHob tOg=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=v/Ebny gG+veirgcYI381Fg/i8UCYiQpzYor1b9Xn1sNwewRk9WKzJ8rxoQ9GlNk/cZPDoYR8l ehEkff5L69z/7zmceaU9IfKhTjjclISyYLs/Nj2iPoK79ALxFn3f6DikBcE+NoWzbeh fTur3dpZJqofvnUldBYzbU0yS+hiPRw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:32:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74CA4EDB5C9 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:32:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xQ+C3+Yp7oqo for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.arachsys.com (alpha.arachsys.com [91.203.57.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B752CEDB4D2 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 13:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [91.125.12.142] (helo=lab.4QD) by alpha.arachsys.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SpNFY-0006QK-7k for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:32:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Richard Torrens (lists)" To: David Pilling Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 18:01:20 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: accounts getting hacked... Message-ID: <52ae3689dbLists@Torrens.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <8c+6hjDZcr$PFwJ4@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <8c+6hjDZcr$PFwJ4@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1371 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Lists@Torrens.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <8c+6hjDZcr$PFwJ4@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > 'm involved with a number of mail lists. What keeps happening is that > people's aol or yahoo accounts get hacked in to and are used to send > spam to their contacts - including the lists. Is this not more likely to be malware running on the person's computer? I have seen this several times (as the recipient of such emails): such malware infects the computer and then spams all the email addresses it can find. Aol is (of course) particularly prone to such attacks. -- Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 14 22:47:11 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sq9x6-1wiVbs-05-AI7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 22:47:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sq9x6-1wiVbs-05-AI7; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:32:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sq9x6-1wiVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:32:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sq9x6-0000GT-7M for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:32:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 985B9EDB8D8; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:32:35 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342301555; bh=fRf2ItaUS7XzBm4xmWjLJHYOHdW2TJ9yFlEwokFf mB0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=RgHV9A2dPECXIn77o5oSsOVgEL1HVBwxBDkZIqazshedGvqOPh Fw0NUJE2U0YfJq6SHLJng8JAT6C5J64IadNZ+nmXP5V/BDF0E8UsLhhmyZHcR4yIDwD 9wh0qGuFWXc56XvPEy/nKAxxFAK/ZQDhpsFhLBO5BP9ouKYQ12j/4I= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ucy32zWDr86c; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48D36EDB8AF; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:32:22 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342301554; bh=fRf2ItaUS7XzBm4xmWjLJHYOHdW2TJ9yFlEwokFf mB0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=irC4nR6OvCGJwavGfV5GvUlQQ1gOdmNRUMVcFgAo1Rw1zyiEMo EBs7cgdCR5jvx2XHOfZAqJR+dj6pR3s8H3MxqE931FNVnZu87j2cdjrg5LzeDvOPs5P ljHOPLhwJXoq0XNxhQAIn3RG3JlI+qiJDtfsKf8FBkepE44U3plYJA= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:32:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E9BFEDB8B3 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:32:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04CMdYalDnxY for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B495EDB8AF for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Sq9wp-0003gA-nW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:32:19 +0000 Message-ID: <0J9oUjDrUeAQFwdt@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 22:31:23 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: accounts getting hacked... References: <8c+6hjDZcr$PFwJ4@pilling.demon.co.uk> <52ae3689dbLists@Torrens.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <52ae3689dbLists@Torrens.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1372 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In the cases I'm talking about, the people were able to see that their yahoo accounts had actually been accessed - so not computer virus's or simple emails with forged from fields. Since I wrote my email it has been made public that 450,000 yahoo, aol and gmail accounts and passwords have been stolen. Google yahoo email stolen password There is a web site where you can check if your account was one of the ones compromised. People have by now analysed the stolen passwords to see which passwords are most common, which is along the lines of one of my theories - weak passwords. Hands up anyone whose pin number is 0000 - maybe not. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 15 12:42:53 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SqAEs-2yqknw-01-A0L.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 12:42:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SqAEs-2yqknw-01-A0L; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:50:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SqAEs-2yqknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:50:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SqAEn-0006cH-7J for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:50:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE025EDB8FA; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:50:50 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342302651; bh=UYru0D4SqHd9XxkeKHSAf0yIvRC01VEYP64CFeoj 7aQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=UML7M/1CqHAMWdOvCWiDa11gVsYH2HRugzq9O89/T+ymqhAnEP kqqIWbzf+1PZRdL1C12OgVTtrjU7QGgy+AWeh4FjuegAFxehThUF1+dnICHFfCLB30s adW/h6mDpgazbVDCMIbKlkTvCXXOPimFw/fAE0+aiVURpp7BFSfXx8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a6Zf-fXFxCDJ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8843AEDB8D8; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:50:37 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342302650; bh=UYru0D4SqHd9XxkeKHSAf0yIvRC01VEYP64CFeoj 7aQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=CmG3qnUbW6SRF8EvOdPBq30QD/2hRU4EK5m+mScZcCf1Oc0+FR zCfMhmEEMTnv3T+CZbwQKPMzKsFFByMQ60f1xzmkNbbagCtZrcEif44nj7tCxJjbzh+ 2kb9PL6AS/QWGpoZt2Bj0ee4sSWe82/UBCBQEMgAToPemDIL16vug8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:50:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62B78EDB8DF for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:50:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AAKqmZDEoyPd for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0C7CEDB8D8 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SqAEV-0004gC-ig for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:50:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 22:50:29 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: accounts getting hacked... References: <8c+6hjDZcr$PFwJ4@pilling.demon.co.uk> <52ae3689dbLists@Torrens.org.uk> <0J9oUjDrUeAQFwdt@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0J9oUjDrUeAQFwdt@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1373 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <0J9oUjDrUeAQFwdt@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes >In the cases I'm talking about, the people were able to see that their >yahoo accounts had actually been accessed - so not computer virus's Richard I'd better take that back, because presumably if your PC is compromised (think worst case, a key logger) you'd give away your yahoo password. They didn't believe they had computer virus's. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 15 12:42:58 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SqAiJ-4Ky000-03-9Wu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 12:42:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SqAiJ-4Ky000-03-9Wu; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 22:21:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SqAiJ-4Ky000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 22:21:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SqAiG-0007Zp-RV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 22:21:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1ECEAEDAFF9; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:21:19 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342304479; bh=NvcQtS6E4unumGA1JynV8vx5Bj2YTeD1BXtCQY7z jzc=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=IJX0a3QOvKQtqmpOvwnN6TTlhHPPHMjiPN3kkKAEwW6EOO+ZR9 ntLK2T/QlTgejVxzwvhvdt6pfJtXZNkiEUdcbjqXv5PfwdPvfClqxHRkUTu/CbmGZB2 Hc66FinOeXqRzrCRvO/Sj3l283oWRLyVPqo2qo5ybdKWc4ZZ9Pp8hg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HuAQ-RnpvRNu; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DFFFAEDA874; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:21:05 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342304478; bh=NvcQtS6E4unumGA1JynV8vx5Bj2YTeD1BXtCQY7z jzc=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=kQl17yKTS2Sh1e1FCHTOesQL+X0Mvi21TKoKTJFQ8/f16q90Cl ItXv42S0RlFxATsceC79pV+/EUJnxPatbtRDYFOlpb2oN1i5myNYNekJYTAF7d7kFVu tcN6ncrbaiWMzmtn3DHSjiuX5zveJ0vA8o52QoOnDRgsjL8I2yon34= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:21:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBE6FEDAF67 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:21:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o6PhqYXLrQoa for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server1.spellings.net (server1.spellings.net [178.239.169.72]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 463D8EDA874 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 18:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust32.croy.cable.virginmedia.com ([82.44.44.33]:64757 helo=Shuttle) by server1.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SqAhw-0005Tr-Mv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:21:00 +0100 Message-ID: <35A4EFDD6A7340C693E64963FEF1B40F@Shuttle> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <8c+6hjDZcr$PFwJ4@pilling.demon.co.uk> <52ae3689dbLists@Torrens.org.uk> <0J9oUjDrUeAQFwdt@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: accounts getting hacked... Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:21:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-ID: 1SqAhw-0005Tr-Mv X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server1.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goatly.co.uk X-archive-position: 1374 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > In message <0J9oUjDrUeAQFwdt@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > writes >> In the cases I'm talking about, the people were able to see that their >> yahoo accounts had actually been accessed - so not computer virus's > > Richard I'd better take that back, because presumably if your PC is > compromised (think worst case, a key logger) you'd give away your yahoo > password. They didn't believe they had computer virus's. The following quote was on the Usenet group news.admin.net-abuse.email, which I found illuminating. Bruce ---------------------------- > My wifes email address and password was in that file (can get the full > list from thepiratebay) but she denied ever having to do anything with > yahoo. > > Just for yucks I searched for about 50 names at random and none of them > were part of yahoo voices. > > That list is from another company, Associated Content, which was purchased > by Yahoo in 2010. The file was the email/password list from the sale. I > don't think they were ever integrated to any yahoo service. > > Worse case is with people using the same password for multiple sites, you > kind of know now. > > I'm not defending yahoo, was pretty stupid to use a non-encrypted password > field in the database server and leave it online somewhere, but it does > seem to be pretty stale data. > > And yes, the most common passwords once again were 123456 and password. > > Sometimes people deserver what they get. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 15 12:43:26 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SqMSn-4SIknw-05-EpS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 12:43:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SqMSn-4SIknw-05-EpS; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:54:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SqMSn-4SIknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:54:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SqMSm-0004yZ-M9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:54:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F52DEDB8F2; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 06:54:07 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342349647; bh=kSFKJ5gaOe+jtGxGVDMOxJtR3O99xUcdKS2kDFGW Vp4=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Q2UWOUj0LuP4bssLIZu+X0865ZFVYZ7pd/VLfBdoAjAgX7K11a I+FmrqfXwi/HwI4vdoa753qLW+uoQkS2QpQx0Aaj3duOuDf0y453IcO0lZBerikwB9E 34rH1W2gDFHgaYu/YGAIdGvfm4VwAOu/O9eHL0tc1CxtEtvTmD+e3M= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7HRamhlNv0Gg; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 06:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18030EDB874; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 06:53:54 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342349646; bh=kSFKJ5gaOe+jtGxGVDMOxJtR3O99xUcdKS2kDFGW Vp4=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Sk8rHhxGhPb1ViYiPgib7W0FJh8laxwRyWbz/RROCQwynRq+ZT jg8Awz/o7GtfJLiAlKS9T3ovVucAtcBJhEqesKeV/xK0rR0+QlukOoZNCU3iFDujq93 1ODxiia7j/HfowcJ+Dxg4JVEHyf/bMD1kidgdnZ4axrYrEqPxu0Akw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 15 Jul 2012 06:53:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2B98E62A92 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 06:53:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ftwJQpi5batW for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 06:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC65CEDB8E9 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 06:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([109.176.235.110]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q6FArdaW009135 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:53:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: accounts getting hacked... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:53:37 +0100 Message-ID: <7561a0af52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <8c+6hjDZcr$PFwJ4@pilling.demon.co.uk> <52ae3689dbLists@Torrens.org.uk> <0J9oUjDrUeAQFwdt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <35A4EFDD6A7340C693E64963FEF1B40F@Shuttle> In-Reply-To: <35A4EFDD6A7340C693E64963FEF1B40F@Shuttle> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1375 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <35A4EFDD6A7340C693E64963FEF1B40F@Shuttle> "Bruce Goatly" wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >> Hi, >> >> In message <0J9oUjDrUeAQFwdt@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling >> writes >>> In the cases I'm talking about, the people were able to see that their >>> yahoo accounts had actually been accessed - so not computer virus's >> googling "most common passwords" reveals an interesting list - below: Surprisingly "secret" isn't among them - it used to be in the top 5. 1. password 2. 123456 3. 12345678 4. 1234 5. qwerty 6. 12345 7. dragon 8. pussy 9. baseball 10. football 11. letmein 12. monkey 13. 696969 14. abc123 15. mustang 16. michael 17. shadow 18. master 19. jennifer 20. 111111 21. 2000 22. jordan 23. superman 24. harley 25. 1234567 -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 15 12:57:49 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SqNQa-2ly000-03-Drf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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list davidpilling); Sun, 15 Jul 2012 07:55:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56F0EEDB1A2 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 07:55:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GFr67rCNDup5 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 07:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3F3CEDA205 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 07:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SqNQG-0003u2-oR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:55:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 12:54:08 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: accounts getting hacked... References: <8c+6hjDZcr$PFwJ4@pilling.demon.co.uk> <52ae3689dbLists@Torrens.org.uk> <0J9oUjDrUeAQFwdt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <35A4EFDD6A7340C693E64963FEF1B40F@Shuttle> <7561a0af52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <7561a0af52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1376 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <7561a0af52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk>, Alan Adams writes >Surprisingly "secret" isn't among them - it used to be in the top 5. That list displays a cultural bias. I wonder what the top 5 Chinese speaking user passwords are - (dump that list into Google translate). Anyway, if one could compromise users computers, there would be little reason to stick to yahoo/aol. You'd get what we have had in the past, spam coming via Outlook. Usually I have suggested a virus scan and it has found nothing. Out on the web there are loads of adverts/video clips for breaking in to yahoo accounts. Maybe it is weak, maybe they are all fraudulent. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 21 19:57:44 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ss9dy-1kTGPo-08-ESz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:57:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ss9dy-1kTGPo-08-ESz; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:37:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ss9dy-1kTGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:37:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ss9dt-0005nu-QF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:37:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56AB8EDB724; 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Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [184.173.91.202]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C405EDB63C for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 05:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.bordernet.com.au [184.173.91.202]) by mail.bordernet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B22DD699B for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:36:41 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bordernet.com.au Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au ([184.173.91.202]) by localhost (hermes.bordernet.com.au [184.173.91.202]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4iQPtKAU7HfB for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:36:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from armini.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au (unknown [118.67.52.182]) by mail.bordernet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 03CE9D6985 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:36:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] RISC OS OPro problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:17:17 GMT Message-ID: <5baf56b252.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <52b2271c62lists@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <52b2271c62lists@highpath.net> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.06 (MsgServe/6.04) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1378 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Currently we are having regular failures with OPro on our ARMini RO 5.18 (16 Jan 2012) As I went to the icon bar to click on the menu to give our current version of OPro I got: Ovation Pro has suffered an internal error type 5 And then it was gone! Just tried to reload it with the same result :( Second reload resulted in OPro installing on the iconbar OPro 2.77 (6 Mar 2011) The fatal error and loss of OPro occurs at different times and without any apparent pattern. Is anyone else experiencing similar problems? Could it be associated with a similar problem with Netsurf? This has become very flaky recently and quits regularly and for no obvious reason. I downloaded the latest version Netsurf 2.9 (27 Feb 2012) but the problem persists. Is there a connection? I did try to send a log to bugs@netsurf-browser.org but it bounced back telling me not to send bug reports to bugs. I tried to report the matter using the links on the Netsurf web page but it won't load properly in Netsurf :( Ross -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 21 19:57:46 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SsBle-1SWVbs-08-CLJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:57:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SsBle-1SWVbs-08-CLJ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:53:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SsBle-1SWVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:53:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SsBlb-0006Hz-IP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:53:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8672DEDCE69; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:53:05 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342785185; bh=sSIpzXWWIOuqx6fKiXn8T3o4HPFDipLD7rQjOiVq p9g=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=DfKvo+ 4LVo9mTiY0KJtX2knZn92vPaLpHYJnnlgCT6ZSyqmPDGU8nBHItbCRLPHSzDj8zGTlK 8chk+c4w6FSE6EHrUR4I+2gMXvO6FC21Ekfg4SYjrz6QCwgluQLGqOIjMZ7BpCpV+BE RrLV0y7AIf0wI97xniipFlMuCxMxbDg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F10l0mcdURN5; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85D39EDCCAB; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:52:51 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342785184; bh=sSIpzXWWIOuqx6fKiXn8T3o4HPFDipLD7rQjOiVq p9g=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=vdN+vm Cwmbwi0jbD74/vXAGe0R+gK/evp4pk1JjjYOfWg7+I4cZiP2r0+8mpGqsvZ90C5leAW 1o/nhN83dA6EEUWaP7A2+pHUaXQL3lx41OoV+oWFRY3aZ/KOBbaGCCOhGyaD7Lj4c5n ohyYRVRjctjpAbaadUP89ChNDG1Di8w= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:52:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46C6AEDCD84 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:52:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SSjztniOCtoa for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avasout06.plus.net (avasout06.plus.net [212.159.14.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B96DEDCCAB for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix2. ([80.229.143.2]) by avasout06 with smtp id cbsn1j00803K0D401bsplX; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:52:49 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=aJVyWMBm c=1 sm=1 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:17 a=Z3JaGL3UXBMA:10 a=ihvODaAuJD4A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=ExRyQoMG_6BcrhNwEwwA:9 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:117 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:52:13 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RISC OS OPro problem Message-ID: <52b238eccbchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <5baf56b252.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <52b2271c62lists@highpath.net> <5baf56b252.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1379 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <5baf56b252.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, Ross McGuinness wrote: > Currently we are having regular failures with OPro on our ARMini RO > 5.18 (16 Jan 2012) Are you running with alignment exceptions on? It is important to do that, because apps that are not fully ARMv7 compliant may cause other apps to fail randomly. If AEs are on then you get warning of problems. I find that NetSurf 2.9 and the development version (which is quite old now) run fine here, as does OPro. Other users of the ARMini use OPro without problem. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 21 19:57:55 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SsF6E-1DuVbs-02-90j.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:57:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SsF6E-1DuVbs-02-90j; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:26:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SsF6E-1DuVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:26:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SsF67-00014U-R2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:26:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11627EDC8F1; 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Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [184.173.91.202]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EEB5EDCE47 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.bordernet.com.au [184.173.91.202]) by mail.bordernet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A06BF90A for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:26:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bordernet.com.au Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au ([184.173.91.202]) by localhost (hermes.bordernet.com.au [184.173.91.202]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CN8A73cnYUl0 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:25:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from armini.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au (unknown [118.67.52.182]) by mail.bordernet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0AE97BF77B for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:25:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RISC OS OPro problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 23:06:13 GMT Message-ID: <7da176b252.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <52b2271c62lists@highpath.net> <5baf56b252.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <52b238eccbchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <52b238eccbchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.06 (MsgServe/6.04) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1380 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <52b238eccbchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <5baf56b252.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, > Ross McGuinness wrote: >> Currently we are having regular failures with OPro on our ARMini RO >> 5.18 (16 Jan 2012) > Are you running with alignment exceptions on? It is important to do > that, because apps that are not fully ARMv7 compliant may cause other > apps to fail randomly. If AEs are on then you get warning of problems. I've switched alignment exceptions ON and will see if things improve. Thanks for the tip Chris :) > I find that NetSurf 2.9 and the development version (which is quite > old now) run fine here, as does OPro. Other users of the ARMini use > OPro without problem. -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 21 19:57:57 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SsGY5-31dknw-05-G5O.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:57:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SsGY5-31dknw-05-G5O; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:59:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SsGY5-31dknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:59:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SsGXx-0007YQ-Op for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:59:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4447EDCF12; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:48:26 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342802906; bh=vbjqSGefdJiR4pOydQKqZsKqf02Ga4JpCUcgQbh0 VG0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=HsXqx/ aaWpxXbenD1Fs+F8Ae1VysYGgU3s4pRe+PtjcXCQkI+kFCk5GAVJ4TBE535xL4g9lNa PS9O68eEVTgjeDzRZjneRhJY74wUn5MtU1QGgea8Y4QXh7JlJVnnGGU6JzpwWTHHoQd LC7KsZqzq+o2FfkWHSZxiDYb5NbjS3Y= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FKGKWKnnWdC6; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A19FEDCDCA; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:48:13 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342802905; bh=vbjqSGefdJiR4pOydQKqZsKqf02Ga4JpCUcgQbh0 VG0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=lERFOe taM7aLkj7JmTPBHNtTFOTFYTt4VB7xPNSwiLfCDGXF4MxNXBBs842RULVX3m6Lj2JNe BOSCNh5P+dKxQOumd4VdfZ71XxEn65UKz3LrjrvZoHKAInCqj2UdmGPO6ThndaAGFN/ eyWazp6tvoEY2LV9uy7vMnpvBWCcpPs= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:48:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AB69EDCDC6 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:48:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9U0VX0UBBnq0 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avasout06.plus.net (avasout06.plus.net [212.159.14.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 309D3EDCEF2 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix2. ([80.229.143.2]) by avasout06 with smtp id cgnn1j00603K0D401gnog9; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:47:49 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=aJVyWMBm c=1 sm=1 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:17 a=Z3JaGL3UXBMA:10 a=ihvODaAuJD4A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=Q_hNXTNlVgGd5mghkNAA:9 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:117 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:47:16 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RISC OS OPro problem Message-ID: <52b253f022chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <7da176b252.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <52b2271c62lists@highpath.net> <5baf56b252.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <52b238eccbchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <7da176b252.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1381 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <7da176b252.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, Ross McGuinness wrote: > I've switched alignment exceptions ON and will see if things > improve. Thanks for the tip Chris :) It's not a case of things improving. You should now see alignment exceptions reported as errors, and hence will see if you are running any apps that are not ARMv7 compliant. Alignment exceptions are caused when an app tries to load a register from a non-aligned (not a multiple of 4) address. The new versions of ARM chip treat these loads differently to older versions, and therefore the data loaded is not what the programmer intended. This can cause the suspect app to behave incorrectly. That app may soldier on regardless, but may cause other apps to fall over because eg. memory has been corrupted in some way. Switching AEs off doesn't magically correct the behaviour, it just means the error is not reported and the incorrect behaviour is hidden from the user. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 21 19:57:58 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SsHNp-199Vbs-06-FFe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:57:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SsHNp-199Vbs-06-FFe; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:52:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SsHNp-199Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:52:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SsHNj-00015e-Gu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:52:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C6A3EDC6E4; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:41:53 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342806113; bh=9d5D0CddwVEi2c5pXWzAky18hZFC2b6lfT/b5he5 XsU=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=H3PbqB50OAHBJvAnsQMNd7tUIA+ia fCXp286KYBTnZdUhH9hFIk/yentWBjWqnI2W1bBgzuqFLOQQvTZmewbirNOm98VszXf KCcSGaKqTIYGTQAtV7NF/GlqywtZ6CwcyNchTBNf1txj6fZuYQmTdSusjEFy/KUVvXo Rq+FjKrM= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NDmfFJHON60t; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3B92EDB6C2; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:41:39 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342806112; bh=9d5D0CddwVEi2c5pXWzAky18hZFC2b6lfT/b5he5 XsU=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=NGRouTDNmblSsY7frR5B/Jg0gYNGL 89tw2Y9KZYiQpQM0wHzlaLP5VvEi/jSmG4cVLZoOuF9fHWMWJ8w0xbyB8Wj/y0zmjez vtrTcb1HSE3tyJ+kJN7K4cc+NQtSaHVhVCGT+ACsqK3NFz7VQ4pyYCc0wR/+UExyjcR nMVOKkBw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:41:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B849CEDC535 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:41:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WnsPTXjFd4rK for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.1.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FF08EDC4B9 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.97.42.81] (helo=chrision.Cornant) by smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SsHCi-0005bq-L1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:41:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Bell (Lists)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:41:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Really, really 'Colour printing from OvPro' Message-ID: <52b258e3aclists@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-Smarthost01-IP: [88.97.42.81] X-archive-position: 1382 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, My colour printing thread seems to have been hijacked by another question, so please allow me to start it again... I've produced a 2-sided OvnPro document which includes some colour photos: www.prostate-cancer-support.co.uk/docs/sponsor2012 If I print this direct to my PS printer (using a PS2 or PS3 driver) then the printed colours are awful - as if they've been reduced to just a handful of full tones. But all the original colours are retained if I print via a different route: First producing a PDF by 'printing' to PrintPDF, and then printing this PDF (using a PS2 or PS3 driver): www.prostate-cancer-support.co.uk/docs/sponsor2012.pdf So clearly both OvnPro and the PS2 and PS3 printer drivers are capable of outputting the colours correctly. So why can't I print direct from OvnPro to PS2 or PS3? I'm using: Iyonix with RISC OS 5.16 Samsung CLP-550 printer OvnPro 2.77 Printers 1.72 I've noticed this problem before, so it's not confined to just this document. Please can someone shed some light on what's happening? Many thanks, Chris Bell. 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Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (95-89-83-248-dynip.superkabel.de [95.89.83.248]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MINbz-1SrTFT3DGJ-0049HY; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:36:20 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Really, really 'Colour printing from OvPro' To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:35:10 +0200 Message-ID: References: <52b258e3aclists@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <52b258e3aclists@highpath.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.18) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:dfZpWKJpg8YH8F10FhYqizVxCU8BqIYxMWncpqby6HZ XLmi2hLBQjcfm2NvoLQt7Fj0DR+ORnPRtZSZbbCUrvXcgOttM1 R2/vvVJRuYMDYg7TwFotGuhE5N9fy3mPq5Ks5cMzqYqy5zgam4 awlvJqDTIr4CCw4n3nJ0T9lYJwV/ssRx9I5gnxDLPlFI1oSjTR AITVoEq1YQuJiVmhXg+0sx4xnQRJo6Pi/UjHmLmJc4iff0fcxn t67r1LtBScdFEGa6CfMH8jsUuj4KNsUemPECM1vAVuzZvG8wGq lTh6nTaEJ1s7VbTTmhQVeRbrAzNTrktPgg6SWOSoRl6d/tq6MZ mrebkKtqB45ZLAeny8S4= X-archive-position: 1383 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <52b258e3aclists@highpath.net> "Chris Bell (Lists)" wrote: > My colour printing thread seems to have been hijacked by another > question, so please allow me to start it again... > I've produced a 2-sided OvnPro document which includes some colour > photos: > www.prostate-cancer-support.co.uk/docs/sponsor2012 > If I print this direct to my PS printer (using a PS2 or PS3 driver) > then the printed colours are awful - as if they've been reduced to just > a handful of full tones. I printed this to a file using the PS3 driver and looked at the file (2,617,118 bytes) and all the colour information is there, so the degradation of quality happens inside your printer. Maybe it has run out of memory? You can improve the chances of printing these images correctly by allowing OvationPro and the PostScript driver to pass them to your printer in their original format, i.e., as compressed JPEGs. At the moment, OvationPro has to expand them to uncompressed full colour bitmaps because you have some picture processing applied. Please note that you cannot remove the processing once applied, so in order to try this you need to delete the frames and reimport the images. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 21 19:58:00 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SsIIZ-1R4Vbs-08-EKu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:58:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SsIIZ-1R4Vbs-08-EKu; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:51:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SsIIZ-1R4Vbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:51:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SsIIW-0002iu-IZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:51:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2678AEDD39E; 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Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.1.3]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15112EDD1E5 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.97.42.81] (helo=chrision.Cornant) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SsII9-0000TU-Pz for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:51:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Bell (Lists)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:50:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Really, really 'Colour printing from OvPro' Message-ID: <52b25f4147lists@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: References: <52b258e3aclists@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [88.97.42.81] X-archive-position: 1384 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Martin Wuerthner wrote: > "Chris Bell (Lists)" wrote: > > I've produced a 2-sided OvnPro document which includes some colour > > photos: > > www.prostate-cancer-support.co.uk/docs/sponsor2012 > > If I print this direct to my PS printer (using a PS2 or PS3 driver) > > then the printed colours are awful - as if they've been reduced to > > just a handful of full tones. > I printed this to a file using the PS3 driver and looked at the file > (2,617,118 bytes) and all the colour information is there, so the > degradation of quality happens inside your printer. Maybe it has run > out of memory? > You can improve the chances of printing these images correctly by > allowing OvationPro and the PostScript driver to pass them to your > printer in their original format, i.e., as compressed JPEGs. At the > moment, OvationPro has to expand them to uncompressed full colour > bitmaps because you have some picture processing applied. Please note > that you cannot remove the processing once applied, so in order to > try this you need to delete the frames and reimport the images. > Martin Many thanks, Martin. That sounds very feasable. I'll check it later on and report back. Chris. 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([80.229.143.2]) by avasout06 with smtp id cjRp1j00403K0D401jRqkW; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:25:50 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=aJVyWMBm c=1 sm=1 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:17 a=Z3JaGL3UXBMA:10 a=ihvODaAuJD4A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=dnfZJTfq4de4HLGnGHgA:9 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:117 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:25:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RISC OS OPro problem Message-ID: <52b2626655chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <5baf56b252.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <52b2271c62lists@highpath.net> <5baf56b252.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1385 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <5baf56b252.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, Ross McGuinness wrote: > Could it be associated with a similar problem with Netsurf? One thing that has struck me. The Tinct module, used by NetSurf has issues on the BeagleBoard. It may be this causing the problem. In Netsurf, go to iconbar menu, Choices>Images. Make sure the Foreground and Background options are both set to 'Use OS'. This means the Tinct module will not be used. At the moment it looks unlikely that the Tinct module will be made ARMv7 compatible. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 21 19:58:01 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SsJeR-1wQGPo-06-Cz2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:58:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SsJeR-1wQGPo-06-Cz2; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:18:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SsJeR-1wQGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:18:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SsJeL-000540-O1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:18:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4266DEDCFA1; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:18:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342815488; bh=wTJn+zSA91f5Qc+u3o27qAoLymsXqe7wV3Nh0PBI f0k=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Fiej0X G1di9GP6fkrHlv6kYVL597NshI/Mh+d55gBYSJXv6ntf64Gk3PM44DNrPJXbaFvxver wsbo0VrQktaxYG3wo5Hyen+5AcUBiH6VrDCQbyrtF79BrzTf+ROGj8y9gfGa4YWTvkC +RTmyK5oZPaLrXcsvigdhk1PAiiOBP0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9W+VdZTXef5Y; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E02DBEDCF80; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:17:54 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342815487; bh=wTJn+zSA91f5Qc+u3o27qAoLymsXqe7wV3Nh0PBI f0k=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=I6/SmZ 1+EzJGMKRKxchMJ0PLHfEVRHCnC+yU9av50ltQHPWzGqOCy9uLZhQhsFo6nP7O8cyaQ iZj0RdTInbLhZyYQK351O63Bg56kgYc7lRCyim5CmJsgDna3A39XwunAgUm6kuK/eZa ZhmJWXRJfY4kSo+mvu1iT1FU02ZTIwg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:17:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC208EDCFA1 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:17:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zo--qUxxPgYx for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.1.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 319ECEDCF80 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.97.42.81] (helo=chrision.Cornant) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SsJe1-0004NC-QU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:17:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Bell (Lists)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:17:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Really, really 'Colour printing from OvPro' Message-ID: <52b2673453lists@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: References: <52b258e3aclists@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [88.97.42.81] X-archive-position: 1386 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Martin Wuerthner wrote: > "Chris Bell (Lists)" wrote: > > I've produced a 2-sided OvnPro document which includes some colour > > photos: > > www.prostate-cancer-support.co.uk/docs/sponsor2012 > > If I print this direct to my PS printer (using a PS2 or PS3 driver) > > then the printed colours are awful - as if they've been reduced to > > just a handful of full tones. > I printed this to a file using the PS3 driver and looked at the file > (2,617,118 bytes) and all the colour information is there, so the > degradation of quality happens inside your printer. Maybe it has run > out of memory? > You can improve the chances of printing these images correctly by > allowing OvationPro and the PostScript driver to pass them to your > printer in their original format, i.e., as compressed JPEGs. At the > moment, OvationPro has to expand them to uncompressed full colour > bitmaps because you have some picture processing applied. Please note > that you cannot remove the processing once applied, so in order to > try this you need to delete the frames and reimport the images. > Martin I've replaced all the images with pure JPEGs: www.prostate-cancer-support.co.uk/docs/sponsor2012_2 This reduces the size of the PS 'print to file' output to just 141 kB, but the printed colours are still awful. Output to PDF is 10 MB but prints perfectly: www.prostate-cancer-support.co.uk/docs/sponsor2012_2.pdf Any more thoughts? Chris. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 21 22:40:21 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SshKr-3ir000-07-EsA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:40:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SshKr-3ir000-07-EsA; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 21:35:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SshKr-3ir000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 21:35:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SshKr-0001lN-9u for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 21:35:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D96F1EDB149; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:35:35 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342906535; bh=LNGTejq+W5Il8cb7rajV2gKXXKG1p7fMroeqsfUo sqw=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=BN9EcDg+yQ9fTPvM7Kt/eD9BpXuqsiTAZlU1y5NCjINOsCFHun s7BBMmXn3hPTlahtJ889cKJVQ16T1I71dOndOq8FeIMqbAj4K3xcKObiQHBuiKixsAX +HusQdXCo6gjBlTmaZY0G8+bAb8luZAqqKH8imBCmDuGbNXBg6ZRQY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e7GXrsrboJly; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79A89E5CE7A; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:35:22 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342906534; bh=LNGTejq+W5Il8cb7rajV2gKXXKG1p7fMroeqsfUo sqw=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=sqso3IkPItoYQwVjWzzu7Iih+qO1Ok6be/leFn7ZXdPYem/WWO zPCEbMbY+1WlXZ0sk3Gam6NRhrqbLtcYPxMpu2n4Tx2fEgxNmiLFl9ibFskeYhco+qb 0pvPrHY5PVTi1rdu+CBG72YLgCt6K487DInfbtEIlfdeQJtiGoD0Ms= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:35:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33C79E438E6 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:35:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vn-CCagoci+v for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C45BEDD781 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SshKY-0002To-nG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 21:35:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:34:06 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Really, really 'Colour printing from OvPro' References: <52b258e3aclists@highpath.net> <52b2673453lists@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <52b2673453lists@highpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1387 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <52b2673453lists@highpath.net>, "Chris Bell (Lists)" writes >Martin Wuerthner wrote: >This reduces the size of the PS 'print to file' output to just 141 kB, >but the printed colours are still awful. > >Output to PDF is 10 MB but prints perfectly: > www.prostate-cancer-support.co.uk/docs/sponsor2012_2.pdf > >Any more thoughts? What happens if you try to display the problem PS on another device besides your printer - I'm thinking here of gsview/ghostscript. I'll have a proper look tomorrow. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 22 12:42:09 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sshll-3wKknw-02-ERG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:42:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sshll-3wKknw-02-ERG; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:03:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sshll-3wKknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:03:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sshlg-0003Aq-Bd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:03:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12173EDD79F; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:03:18 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342908198; bh=1/XNEaiMquf6IX0wQxcMajJG1Y/uDDZwzL1sPvF3 ROI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=PzZ8EPyLsIp/CFFGOpPwfomuIe5PtqMSl88OXQEY7nkfLcWsEV 1FR8CGMODpUw/Zt/CObNPFeXjzX75AV6cEFK7kiDQSDZlNq8VDJWd48rADdg3OBTBsf /h4JSk6hVzRSOtY8lRNgD9feZlXfY2yLIU31+YAui2fev/Atnf3Vb8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VSkmCa4YOvz8; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CFA9EDD781; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:03:04 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342908197; bh=1/XNEaiMquf6IX0wQxcMajJG1Y/uDDZwzL1sPvF3 ROI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=czQI9wCBvEq3WStZAO1pZwkhByDrBa60Zp7J2zufilRkJ5JOST NikBy3Q8fxNoKbof2NNWCFKpldZ70LbmX36qR3QBQykThnBVqKhngYTC6nBE/Z272mA i45XNmYPGmBfgHzvsHwY2xPg3gm3E163YQaoUtvN0CGX9sGSufMF7o= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:03:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E027EDD788 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:03:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AicOKicaQHFX for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (mercury.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.61]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B78C5EDD781 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:03:01 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,630,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="888429610" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2012 23:02:54 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4359A00B for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:02:54 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:02:50 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RISC OS OPro problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52b2626655chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <52b2271c62lists@highpath.net> <5baf56b252.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <52b2626655chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.69.2.3801 (Qt/4.7.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1388 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 20 Jul, Chris Johnson wrote in message <52b2626655chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>: > In article <5baf56b252.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au>, > Ross McGuinness wrote: > > Could it be associated with a similar problem with Netsurf? > > One thing that has struck me. The Tinct module, used by NetSurf has issues > on the BeagleBoard. It may be this causing the problem. > > In Netsurf, go to iconbar menu, Choices>Images. Make sure the Foreground > and Background options are both set to 'Use OS'. This means the Tinct > module will not be used. > > At the moment it looks unlikely that the Tinct module will be made ARMv7 > compatible. There also seem to be some issues with the SSL code: I'm still seeing the last test build fall over a lot on pages fetched via https://, and always -- from what I can see in the resulting logs -- within the SSL library. Unfortunately I don't currently have the time to investigate whether it's NetSurf's fault or something else that's breaking it. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 22 12:42:28 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SsjMr-0bp000-05-CqA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:42:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SsjMr-0bp000-05-CqA; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:45:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SsjMr-0bp000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:45:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SsjMl-0003hV-Ma for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:45:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86590EDD781; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:45:41 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342914341; bh=ZXxA3dRMCHxzwDUUm7tA1DB+g476zKwUHxLJs9cm 8UY=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=OjX6qh+RRTVjKlXRzkaYKSZkwdlTLCdXIlyvfW49liAYFvXfrI xd+Y4C9OSttg3JY/+mNbT/YF8BnOvYO09cmMB8zQtmvARiKxbBCLShyq9zi2ZA2uWXP hQS+rOImek6BdIG3fePi9H0hHw+ar9/vfXrvXhnREJzjvAJy7bnTI8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4jZvtUvx-mRe; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4635BEDD400; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:45:28 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342914340; bh=ZXxA3dRMCHxzwDUUm7tA1DB+g476zKwUHxLJs9cm 8UY=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=TKc5/12mfuAihue6zm1eybg2HjnPu/DbN/mJ4bhOr64GUTZO+W DFpI4O1vckkraRe8o5BqHck+v1AU8fggB3+uKYAAG8rEsVxGCjggdnFTq0sqfe/uiuu MszgtmJlj4NFBs5T8ONW0nRWT6JYTgp+ly1N7X1ooelLrAkHx8kggY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:45:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20DC0EDD454 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:45:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v8ng9tjN9Wek for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D78AEDD400 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pr-webmail-2.demon.net ([194.159.244.50]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SsjMT-000478-oT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:45:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=web.mail.demon.net) by pr-webmail-2.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1SsjMT-000N1h-EN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:45:25 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by web.mail.demon.net with http; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:45:25 +0100 From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: Subject: [softwarelist] Really, really 'Colour printing from OvPro' Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:45:25 +0100 User-Agent: Demon-WebMail/2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-archive-position: 1389 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, Thought occurred to me, some printers have problems with the screening code OP adds to the PS output stream. Turn off screening is the solution. Old versions of OP had a bug which meant you had to turn off screening even if it showed as off in the first place. Not sure if that persists in old documents. Anyway you can look at the archives or more will come back to me tomorrow (later today). David Pilling To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 22 12:42:29 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ssjb6-0n5Vbs-03-Cbv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:42:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ssjb6-0n5Vbs-03-Cbv; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:00:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ssjb6-0n5Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:00:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ssjb1-0003pZ-Ej for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:00:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DE2AEDD7BA; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:00:25 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342915225; bh=GOlTvgau5Olmvz4QpcYFXt0Zajew2vFZBppSRvK9 BYs=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=xjyw7t4fFxY2nfK+Wzy91gqjLL+5dxx9gYekrB/a 00YTtKl4yGcYL6n5Uzg44mZmHoyfSwoO1Nyxbnoxm9JevCGZ22j5sUMZ19Gcgzk3VHx OTOOqvUQjYcboZ2IAPG9yEq2KXDW+0Gj4Eix8ZGr3QGkMlvtbuLYuwm5elFdIIBc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S+IhjddjTxiq; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2967EDAF6D; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:00:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342915224; bh=GOlTvgau5Olmvz4QpcYFXt0Zajew2vFZBppSRvK9 BYs=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=W3lBVAttHtcIj6C1dknerY9fjL+JNpI1mJ07JLwC VfuGxoauCsOBmAE/CzSDGvdMTVq9hkdIW+ZNuIGJRC4twJXNFGBIldSFg5et/1EpQi4 53iJlj0q7FiorDpcTyjAqBHSrxpUoKgtI/MBE074mSW5dgnhRwKXNUhUAMlUiHB8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:00:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC1F8EDD771 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:00:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kvGK12j6FIMn for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-msapost-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-msapost-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.180]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 758FCEDAF6D for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=[10.0.0.5]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtpsa (AUTH newble.demon.co.uk) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) id 1Ssjaj-00041Q-XH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:00:09 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Really, really 'Colour printing from OvPro' From: Peter Newble In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 01:00:08 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4BFFFBED-458E-40FC-8D00-D6524D5B836B@newble.com> References: To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-archive-position: 1390 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 22 Jul 2012, at 0045, David Pilling wrote: > Thought occurred to me, some printers have problems with the screening = code OP adds to the PS output stream. Turn off screening is the = solution. Good point. Getting a limited range of colours, with too much = saturation, implies too high a screen resolution. For instance, a 300lpi = screen on a 600dpi device only gives you four possible on-off states = (2=D72) per colour plane, whereas a 75lpi screen on the same 600dpi = device gives you 256 (8=D78) and thus a finer gradation of shades of = each colour. Either the PDF conversion is removing a high screen setting = specified in the original PS output, giving a better result, or perhaps = the printer has a default high screen setting which printing straight = from OP to the RISC OS PS driver isn=92t overriding, but something in = the PDF conversion is replacing it with something more sensible. My early laser printers all used a dot screen, and getting the right = setting for each job was quite tricky, given that the pixel resolution = of the printers was so much lower than that of an imagesetter. I might = be wrong, but modern printers appear to use stochastic screening where = the concept of a screen ruling doesn=92t exist =96 but perhaps it can be = enabled if the Postscript specifies it. No doubt Martin Wuerthner will = know more about this . . . To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 22 15:57:05 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SsxZk-2iAknw-06-FgJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:57:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SsxZk-2iAknw-06-FgJ; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:56:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SsxZk-2iAknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:56:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SsxZb-0006wP-Tk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:56:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66696EDD7D4; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:55:53 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342968953; bh=XEOCF4YoBdl7sD48WksNbjSOslNpL3CQ6zpA4NLs ZmI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=cn2SOb cXhc0vaJEU5M1KlzZ9LtnhmMwmo1eUdA5B4KdIOSf/qfj/WzJ/A6p1q3mE7MOUm8XmI O/79dzFDn85yiZBI327Wgbw/lHokPN54PWrFQt3y9vodDFQPcVagCEIUJdzBEYfkQHQ auFQGfLHziqzVo4Z9Vsf0lhP6jqnoLY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CXgjgDVvU8xK; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 000B6EDD4E3; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:55:39 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1342968952; bh=XEOCF4YoBdl7sD48WksNbjSOslNpL3CQ6zpA4NLs ZmI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=rliyrg /yHLzbGZQFhEbVXwnpXSkwnVZ0zeqIK2VP0mVhRKtznROd2e7Y1OjGTay4CRhjDqQH/ yFpEdDdBUGEHsl/cvuFxPanCm/NBc+m2pT73oxD2EF2PrMEUTNi6TjywE4A6HsmW4Jz JbAUPCxAb8JWLOz/3ARSLzKE2xRiqGc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:55:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C42C3EDD506 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:55:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4QGFrfYl9TtZ for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.1.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 290A9EDD4E3 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.97.42.81] (helo=chrision.Cornant) by smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SsxZH-000698-Du for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:55:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Bell (Lists)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:55:30 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Really, really 'Colour printing from OvPro' Message-ID: <52b3516071lists@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: References: <52b258e3aclists@highpath.net> <52b2673453lists@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-Smarthost01-IP: [88.97.42.81] X-archive-position: 1391 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling David Pilling wrote: > Thought occurred to me, some printers have problems with the > screening code OP adds to the PS output stream. Turn off screening is > the solution. Good idea, but it makes no difference. > What happens if you try to display the problem PS on another device > besides your printer - I'm thinking here of gsview/ghostscript. Print to PS file / Print to PDF file: Both results are fine onscreen but print badly when dragged to PS3 printer icon. Thus I delved into the printer's menu-panel and discovered 'Colour'. Changing its Calibration from Auto to Off cured the problem. It now prints well straight from OvnPro, even from my orignal file with OvnPro image processing! Thank you, David and Martin, for pointing me in the right direction and helping me solve the problem. Chris. 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charset=iso-8859-1 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.1-exp at hel X-Virus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 1392 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message <4BFFFBED-458E-40FC-8D00-D6524D5B836B@newble.com> you wrote: > [...] I might be wrong, but modern printers appear to use stochastic sc= reening where the concept of a screen ruling doesn=92t exist =96 but perh= aps it can be enabled if the Postscript specifies it. No doubt Martin Wue= rthner will know more about this . . . Whether a PS printer supports screening and to what extend is very printe= r, printer setting (e.g. based on resolution) and brand specific. Typically one or more user controllable settings can be done via PostScript but the= y are not standard and usually info on what can be set/changed can be found in the printer's PPD file (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostScript_Printer_Description). Currently our PS3 driver does not have PPD support... ;-) John. --=20 John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home B= ASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS dri= ven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 25 16:45:45 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Su3Zn-1tpGPo-03-FsO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:45:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Su3Zn-1tpGPo-03-FsO; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:32:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Su3Zn-1tpGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:32:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Su3Zk-0007CX-47 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:32:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72B89EDDF1B; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:32:34 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1343230354; bh=gJx51y7yC2UwzcRv44bcq5AE3dVRsPk9IOXuh/8w gpc=; h=Subject:From:Content-Type:Message-Id:Date:To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=glMN9OLOR8M9xQw+3AxeUd/Dn6HxReKffg0fRsJ8p0H71rAD1w do7ZRdLExbQhdN+gFhHeqEouhn5skAgZe2PtBCWoCvQnI2fBYdsyFw6NBgwzCza4lDP kfweNqu1G1qsPb95AUnaHzO63IX4IEj5wQGozk/4XX2sfV4+GS/cfY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HrCY4KDXor01; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21B73EDD9E7; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:32:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1343230353; bh=gJx51y7yC2UwzcRv44bcq5AE3dVRsPk9IOXuh/8w gpc=; h=Subject:From:Content-Type:Message-Id:Date:To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=LlYjqO9alEDxk2i248/j7e2B5MCgkl6rpP2i0xjfzbEpX1ColY dp5VM6Pc4C3qQpB+F4vCaTQKc9M7ZDiWv6OyzDAe0y9CgOkH/c8ABCXAVHaVLgWCqQO EP4zyz8S0wxjlXvJbxOgzlakWpmsypyg6I87qHDIRh61bn6sjiDM2Q= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:32:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF8AAEDDD30 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:32:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WdITHEbOn8Iz for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net (out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.239]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3597AEDD9E7 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:32:17 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlUCAB0REFACYdeG/2dsb2JhbAANOI1lr2aBfa9klCWRYWADlUmSbQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,653,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="394079173" Received: from host-2-97-215-134.as13285.net (HELO [10.0.0.3]) ([2.97.215.134]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2012 16:32:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Printing From: David Crofts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) Message-Id: <7295225D-81B0-43A8-A727-70DBC89E58F0@pandda.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:32:19 +0100 To: David Pilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-archive-position: 1393 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@pandda.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, I am using a RISC PC running RO 4.39 and Ov Pro 2.77r.=20 My QMS laser printer has just died and I have acquired a 2nd-hand Samsung ML= 2250 ( a b&W laser printer). Has anyone any idea which printer driver I sho= uld use with this, please? Many thanks, David Crofts= To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 25 17:15:46 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Su43p-3yz000-02-FOM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:15:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Su43p-3yz000-02-FOM; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:03:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Su43p-3yz000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:03:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Su43h-0007Bt-CR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 16:03:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C00BEDDF40; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:03:31 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (95-89-83-248-dynip.superkabel.de [95.89.83.248]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LyQ4I-1Tr8ja3ZMk-015tEr; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:03:17 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing To: David Pilling From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:02:21 +0200 Message-ID: <4501e3b452.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <7295225D-81B0-43A8-A727-70DBC89E58F0@pandda.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7295225D-81B0-43A8-A727-70DBC89E58F0@pandda.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.18) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:UhQyqE2RC24++1RMPEwtAy9XxK81aSbQRsYRW+b1x1/ FAiqAyRoI9m4YxVmaGPAcrEFibX5v2fk7kzQRAV5zUyA/tuSYO THlr0c6i8QnuU513oC/NC+oYK4ukz8LCaEh7pZxWAs5rSAwZ19 LwSJ/cw481/5jo0GAQnq0LidKqva+fl94DPiOK4yura9gaDBgA WnZyORGToiEBlRFlImmZDNo99LJGCk13pvTMzSsqXtBx7AE8Ka zIHA1/AkBn1dEysP1Ob6bf80hOZTGjkY370rHQ9jmKEjLVxQxL iyBvgbn/aTHFMjjiEWb8918m0DVK7OZKjqTJ6F25x8I4vBDWQ= = X-archive-position: 1394 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <7295225D-81B0-43A8-A727-70DBC89E58F0@pandda.co.uk> David Crofts wrote: > Hi, > I am using a RISC PC running RO 4.39 and Ov Pro 2.77r. > My QMS laser printer has just died and I have acquired a 2nd-hand > Samsung ML 2250 ( a b&W laser printer). Has anyone any idea which > printer driver I should use with this, please? This looks like an ordinary PCL printer, so you can use the standard HP LaserJet-6 driver (or any other LaserJet driver). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 25 20:30:23 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Su7E5-4fTknw-06-CE6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:30:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Su7E5-4fTknw-06-CE6; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:26:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Su7E5-4fTknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:26:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Su7E2-0003R5-5l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:26:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81D60EDDCD5; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:26:24 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1343244384; bh=GzeckJgePPxmK1DNytds9YV+t3WPmgwtql76tgC5 K3M=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=GzxDQO lyXOi28Aba8qtEl9ubBLWq00vAWM0CuWQc7QIPt8gvLnaVKW3eSjdU+xd91QkzwwxWP r74SXAoFO9LeHvR/Ea+ZAsjGnyQwHI/DYRxIuAVDTyu3rYj7/6zajDzcUY38CrDxUHl pTaRmwSjgSfM/AfIRr4Moq3Tr3ElqS8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vYidKd+rBXsD; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2417AEDDC52; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:26:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1343244383; bh=GzeckJgePPxmK1DNytds9YV+t3WPmgwtql76tgC5 K3M=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Cx6shy tWMd8cW/IKreJMVZuhYiZB0LRbDddWI1eIwgMjqvzMrS3GKvfnI62sexPCzF/D27ncY A9lB+dia8tWCrqTE9XdzW/9mtzSyVSC44HgkitSBGo1d5gnYDZR+CFA8RHnaQ+g1H/E V0M1U51c81fn99zxgQkuYlP0NXqFDD0= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:26:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB6C8EDDCA9 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:26:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n1Qoo3eep+3u for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C94AEDDC52 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AMD2. ([109.176.170.251]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q6PJQ5PX027350 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:26:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: David Pilling Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:27:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing Message-ID: <52b4f5c06eriscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <7295225D-81B0-43A8-A727-70DBC89E58F0@pandda.co.uk> References: <7295225D-81B0-43A8-A727-70DBC89E58F0@pandda.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1395 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <7295225D-81B0-43A8-A727-70DBC89E58F0@pandda.co.uk>, David Crofts wrote: > I am using a RISC PC running RO 4.39 and Ov Pro 2.77r. > My QMS laser printer has just died and I have acquired a 2nd-hand > Samsung ML 2250 ( a b&W laser printer). Has anyone any idea which > printer driver I should use with this, please? My Samsung ML-2571 (mono laser) isn't really picky. I use Printers+ 1.91a & Laserjet6 usually. To produce photocopiable masters I use Printers 1.52 & the LaserJet-IV PD in conjunction with CCs' TurboDrivers Line Screen setup (courtesy of the generosity and patience of Ian Hamilton who produced a patch for his Print Spooler 2.18). On the other hand when I bought it many moons ago it initially worked perfectly well thinking itself to be an HP LJ5 printer but I'd also received a Samsung PD and wondered whether it might be better still: instead it messed up all my previous settings - so stick to HP versions. I'm using RO 4.02 (SA-VRPC) & OvPro 2.77. Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 28 20:06:03 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SuqFq-4emVbs-06-9ov.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:06:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SuqFq-4emVbs-06-9ov; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:31:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SuqFq-4emVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:31:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SuqFo-0002bl-OX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 19:31:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78000EDDF39; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:31:14 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1343417474; bh=PzjzhEM+gL/Z/59ctgBx3TZJay1rWXEiy0eYA16h IyY=; h=Subject:References:From:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:Message-Id: Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=Jrsx/sU5vjutRpxw1vcGah53bKA5Nmaz/mlPso/B 8oAdBa6Y8a77PpGXCU3HF7BVScuQrGB5956PUBLKkD1ZYvDf7v7zZA/1GCsFfeOp0kI NLp1IkotENew/2CzM0GKvvSOkyzemgsHdYXsA3IR7GSoCtD2Xi9Q2Fl9dHzK1YWY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EYdoIKKQVo3z; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDA0DEDB70B; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:31:00 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1343417473; bh=PzjzhEM+gL/Z/59ctgBx3TZJay1rWXEiy0eYA16h IyY=; h=Subject:References:From:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:Message-Id: Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=DJoafGqDlWt+zxrX3cY8bBO0uU7vyIyBzfjgFNo4 upWCJruFAq/8U87HklEeesjXkzv36u7mrxFoanguyw4Xqg+kuRdW6Yee5tWFY4Fsu3O e+ES2CR6MvYg2Dz/lwa7Mz71SxTEJWDqZl9IZO1O3egt/0MOvhVQXj0tz4u99CRk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:31:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6C67EDD201 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:31:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZzUEk4Rli4Ln for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net (out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.242]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A80FEDB70B for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:30:58 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAC/rElACYd7y/2dsb2JhbAANOLx3AQEBAQIBAQI3FDALCxgMIigJJgYICwkUBIdmEaZqlDmLUIYUYAOTHIIskm0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,668,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="546355699" Received: from host-2-97-222-242.as13285.net (HELO [10.0.0.3]) ([2.97.222.242]) by out1.ip06ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 27 Jul 2012 20:30:56 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing References: <7295225D-81B0-43A8-A727-70DBC89E58F0@pandda.co.uk> <4501e3b452.martin@bach.planiverse.com> From: David Crofts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: <4501e3b452.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:30:44 +0100 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-archive-position: 1396 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@pandda.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Many thanks, it works! David Crofts On 25 Jul 2012, at 17:02, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <7295225D-81B0-43A8-A727-70DBC89E58F0@pandda.co.uk> > David Crofts wrote: >=20 >> Hi, >> I am using a RISC PC running RO 4.39 and Ov Pro 2.77r. >> My QMS laser printer has just died and I have acquired a 2nd-hand >> Samsung ML 2250 ( a b&W laser printer). Has anyone any idea which >> printer driver I should use with this, please? >=20 > This looks like an ordinary PCL printer, so you can use the standard=20 > HP LaserJet-6 driver (or any other LaserJet driver). >=20 > Martin > --=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilli= ng To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling