From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jun 6 16:30:01 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ScHLq-1VnVbs-01-9vF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 16:30:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ScHLq-1VnVbs-01-9vF; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 14:36:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ScHLq-1VnVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 14:36:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ScHLp-00063N-3L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 14:36:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F06AEECFD9F; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 10:36:31 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1338993392; bh=7rxQrlxCZEJ1XQtIxXEVPD8xU5IBTlR8cBtT4UlY n+0=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=WC06Is19YKFgeWocbu2dikywpG50y tYz7gRgi3jDdmZo1zhrx0XHn/0eN15GDdL6MbbMVVgY5qYS0scmhe+QfYFaKk+NuSpZ r7s64fZ1Bj+cp/OweGz1bNjCmPzCJZiHYZl1HstEE1xP1wulobLXqgr2N4yNDIFGyFe baFgIeXY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E9XHaTXvuvlt; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 10:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80CABECFE8D; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 10:36:18 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1338993391; bh=7rxQrlxCZEJ1XQtIxXEVPD8xU5IBTlR8cBtT4UlY n+0=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=v+ygTADMgMosednnHAawPGsGroB8d b8ZqMLOLzomvjQcRxy8fhfJMh3zCMCZDhivVCv+l1hEgU35kt85HHA9mj8VE/YZT3vq c4pQtG+n9XMH4YTde2TOYpt0Pr6vtj4a9U5+LglWd4bQ3r9l25SOZ05WmOgDXY1jPRE SiUQnNMI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jun 2012 10:36:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41EA6ECFE96 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 10:36:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zu8mbRLeC50L for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 10:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19F73ECFE8D for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 10:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from armini.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-202-120.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.202.120]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q56EZx8J029956 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 15:35:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation1 OPro applet and the ARMini. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:35:38 +0100 Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.05 (MsgServe/6.04S) (RISC-OS/5.19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1272 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling This is with OPro 2.77s (27 May 2011), Ovation1 applet version 1.5 and ARMini RISC OS 5.19, (23 April 2012). Having started using the original Ovation in 2004 I still have lots of old-format Ovation files on my hard drive. On trying to read one of these the other day I got: 05 Jun 22:15:40 000 00000000: Error from Ovation Pro: OvationPro has suffered an internal error type=5. OPro having quit, it tried to run itself again (odd!) and then crashed once more with the same error; this time no attempt at re-running. The old files would seem to be OK (and have the correct filetype), as I can open them on RISC OS 4.02 in VRPC, same versions of OPro and the applet. Not a very major problem, as there is this alternative route to the files, but is there any chance that this applet could be updated? I for one would be very grateful. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Hf \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ __ __ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jun 6 22:14:42 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ScNYG-0Xmknw-07-CFL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 22:14:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ScNYG-0Xmknw-07-CFL; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:14:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ScNYG-0Xmknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:14:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ScNYF-0005Y4-Ql for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:14:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05534ED1F24; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:13:59 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339017239; bh=WlikCgl0NXgRcwNsilow3PTz5KVNSN/fFwSD1MWd 5AA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=ivIo+CTQwE35qYbR/HVQwudbjbnRm UiDHp3n4hx3ZELg5Ws/Q9pPsQwYXESPWBGz/ibl/9cQl31P1ghdPeX+TRjWrnj66r4/ M6l0MNC0h02gCMZBRVXEcB1PvsEQv1a0Wv/d7ppdvThMB2iwMIMg6XQbtFIrK+FWczD ztCc2qUY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id crCSjvTCL3rP; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F92FED19DD; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:13:45 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339017238; bh=WlikCgl0NXgRcwNsilow3PTz5KVNSN/fFwSD1MWd 5AA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Y0r2NZ1iQg23okn4giUexElugW6DP NI7SzhScAne7KgJHxYtB9TkWI8Gi5jnP2KuXDRXaxUA41XaUHK7uXeN+zgzo6aeUr5W 62EowLV1D2u6UHAfRJHgjtnld0RvTTAQbBnX3GJpzAsaRa7YhxAj2H47MmfQOqTYtAY U5OIDS7c= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:13:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 658AAED1CFF for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:13:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cHMsZdwJRbge for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DC20ED19DD for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1ScNXz-000235-lH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:13:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 22:12:36 +0100 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] can't select this line MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1273 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, I managed to select and delete that line Chris. (1) draw out a 'marquee' box, that is ctrl+shift+select drag. The box must contain the whole of the line (or everything you want to select). (2) line now selected, delete. Plan B, 'select all' on the page then unselect everything except the line. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jun 6 22:44:42 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ScNcs-3oK000-01-CAj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 22:44:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ScNcs-3oK000-01-CAj; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:18:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ScNcs-3oK000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:18:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ScNcq-0005cC-EO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:18:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09321ED225D; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:18:42 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339017522; bh=++ZU32AjenzS0gTRH8l5YCvCygumh0nYc/Bocqfn tEE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=S+9O8cvRtUnk6A3CBQnkwQq971PbMl9EHJ8lg1j++9ixm6XT1e UNhVM/N18rPvK2Uz0SdgaUJ/qg1rghBK7UqufkYms+7F4+lpJPaHrrW52rIATonWXAr Nww3i5Tm8kLAa1CzGUDSmUGIHAiTSe9D92FF7K9VpQRvXFb5v2EgaA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kRxd5QKgxTzg; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2154ED1412; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:18:28 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339017521; bh=++ZU32AjenzS0gTRH8l5YCvCygumh0nYc/Bocqfn tEE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=ct4TcjpMqPRr81Ys2tuk065MHRjINBi/7wLdAhDtS5S39v6dr6 oGGOXja4EgGojvwGv4UsCfULqwsgUguZdGBdk3pMjW5x6SLdLX5zuksUvkBwwJE+DVm u7evfm+zi49Iknj2Pu83dkzxVKhF2PasWtg3s1M00DY+SUANmTp7hI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:18:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C901ED1BC3 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:18:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wx25Sz8WCz6D for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04090ED1412 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1ScNcZ-00034W-kc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:18:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 22:16:56 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation1 OPro applet and the ARMini. References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1274 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Peter Young writes >Having started using the original Ovation in 2004 Maybe thinking 1904? Ovation Pro came out in 1996, Ovation 1, for which the applet loads files came out in 1990. >The old files would seem to be OK (and have the correct filetype), as >I can open them on RISC OS 4.02 in VRPC, same versions of OPro and the >applet. Not a very major problem, as there is this alternative route >to the files, but is there any chance that this applet could be >updated? I for one would be very grateful. I need to check - presumably the idea is that the Ovation 1 applet is not ARM 7 compatible. Could well be the case. My worry would be if you are using the right one. I think there would be a 32 bit version, which is available on my web site. For sure you need to be using that. Then again I thin you get a warning if you are not. A recompile for ARM 7 is easy. I don't think there will be any hand coded ARM stuff in there. More later... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jun 6 22:44:47 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ScNhS-40Y000-01-C69.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 22:44:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ScNhS-40Y000-01-C69; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:23:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ScNhS-40Y000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:23:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ScNhP-0004P7-IU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:23:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD4B8ED22B0; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:23:25 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339017805; bh=w+wBh4eZ7aPPE8NyV2dkjaP5ps/WwPy8tSzjG1KF QAs=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=iercj8uNdV6OdFMVmteQlf0dqf0FBRAzBmYSpUjbSANM2NbvZ/ L0PF9H410Abd29FGCJ9pCihsYaegWiTBYH8uMF5WUae9tkdYy+cwf1qhOm2tSf69xJ8 hGZ+7WVa8xHAFSQ09KovzWaAsIZHIWDaXX1ROBO768s060OvCPeJAs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gxZi-N8aJ8TH; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0C29ED1BC3; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:23:12 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339017805; bh=w+wBh4eZ7aPPE8NyV2dkjaP5ps/WwPy8tSzjG1KF QAs=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=iercj8uNdV6OdFMVmteQlf0dqf0FBRAzBmYSpUjbSANM2NbvZ/ L0PF9H410Abd29FGCJ9pCihsYaegWiTBYH8uMF5WUae9tkdYy+cwf1qhOm2tSf69xJ8 hGZ+7WVa8xHAFSQ09KovzWaAsIZHIWDaXX1ROBO768s060OvCPeJAs= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:23:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DCB7ED2285 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:23:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C09f-Dda9z9K for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 331FBED2277 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1ScNh8-0006Vq-gB for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:23:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 22:22:05 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: can't select this line References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1275 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling As ever, what follows was bounced for "Non-member submission to closed-post list.", and then when I reposted it, there was an obscure error from the mail list. Hope my reply which appears above now makes sense. ======================================================= Hi, I've created a line which I can't select - please can someone help me? It's the yellow background line to the words 'Your safety depends on the correct fitting of this item. SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP IF NECESSARY.' in this OvnPro document (it'll probably need re-filetyping OvnPro) : www.highpath.net/highpath/temp/SwingCrank_Long I've tried Ctrl-Shift dragging and Ctrl-Shirft double-clicking to no avail. Any suggestions would be gratefully received! Chris Bell. -------------------------------------------------------- Chris Bell, Cribyn, Lampeter, Wales, UK chris@highpath.net www.highpath.net www.prostate-cancer-support.co.uk www.prostate-cancer-blog.blogspot.com -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jun 6 22:44:48 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ScNoB-260GPo-06-BzQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 22:44:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ScNoB-260GPo-06-BzQ; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:30:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ScNoB-260GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:30:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ScNo1-0002ol-Fv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 21:30:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 748CBED22C6; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:30:13 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339018213; bh=EJhXCCXHUTUs8803Y03I+VZllGFaxy8bEv7h+s+7 l4Y=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=t65KziMWOT8z4/fhDKMtfFw3AbhNwuQO0JWKLz8RWaF2N/E54w 7U5emjaYAB5nPaOZ9v9WOgNTrMvyqDJxWMrzeT+wkid/NHNOTFqHbIV1WxFFkUGKdvb QJ5LWqCKCY9mfNYmOJtiwWcdHJ87DCO8j+Q304L8OhgDAosTGoqSjQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iwsv6ZYrrug6; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0C4AED227A; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:29:59 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339018212; bh=EJhXCCXHUTUs8803Y03I+VZllGFaxy8bEv7h+s+7 l4Y=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=uKksS2tIDMFCjXR21m5UWPCp6bmId4qSgJWTy/9A+aWl0CymEf 0lhOY6BB4nlQdxVJiPAGHqDlhJCYhhH2gaS4JGfEODjXvCcWVAlJ6NldYuK5pwAxnkc U18VuhI/hNkxz58b7+Cz0SyITJY37GnYt6cN6ibV5aTarIvi8AgZ+Y= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jun 2012 17:29:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B8F1ED229C for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:29:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4KCu61KChF+2 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0360ED227A for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 17:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from armini.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-202-120.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.202.120]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q56LTsoG009611 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 22:29:54 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation1 OPro applet and the ARMini. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 22:29:30 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.05 (MsgServe/6.04S) (RISC-OS/5.19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1276 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 6 Jun 2012 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message , Peter Young > writes >>Having started using the original Ovation in 2004 > Maybe thinking 1904? Nearly correct, Sir! Old men forget :-( > Ovation Pro came out in 1996, Ovation 1, for which the applet loads > files came out in 1990. In fact, my old Ovation files go back to 1994. 1993, actually. >>The old files would seem to be OK (and have the correct filetype), as >>I can open them on RISC OS 4.02 in VRPC, same versions of OPro and the >>applet. Not a very major problem, as there is this alternative route >>to the files, but is there any chance that this applet could be >>updated? I for one would be very grateful. > I need to check - presumably the idea is that the Ovation 1 applet is > not ARM 7 compatible. Could well be the case. My worry would be if you > are using the right one. I think there would be a 32 bit version, which > is available on my web site. For sure you need to be using that. Then > again I thin you get a warning if you are not. It's certainly 32-bit, as it worked on my late-lamented Iyonix. > A recompile for ARM 7 is easy. I don't think there will be any hand > coded ARM stuff in there. > More later... Those two paragraphs sound very encouraging; many thanks. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 22:44:01 +0100 Message-ID: <1c53c69b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.05 (MsgServe/6.04S) (RISC-OS/5.19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1277 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 6 Jun 2012 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message , Peter Young > writes >>Having started using the original Ovation in 2004 > Maybe thinking 1904? Ovation Pro came out in 1996, Ovation 1, for which > the applet loads files came out in 1990. >>The old files would seem to be OK (and have the correct filetype), as >>I can open them on RISC OS 4.02 in VRPC, same versions of OPro and the >>applet. Not a very major problem, as there is this alternative route >>to the files, but is there any chance that this applet could be >>updated? I for one would be very grateful. > I need to check - presumably the idea is that the Ovation 1 applet is > not ARM 7 compatible. Could well be the case. My worry would be if you > are using the right one. I think there would be a 32 bit version, which > is available on my web site. For sure you need to be using that. Then > again I thin you get a warning if you are not. > A recompile for ARM 7 is easy. I don't think there will be any hand > coded ARM stuff in there. > More later... And not much later indeed! St David has produced a new version, which is working perfectly here. Very many thanks, David! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Hf \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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I'd already tried (1) and tried it again, but I couldn't make it work, however hard I tried. Is this because the line's X origin is -4mm, making it impossible to contain the whole line? But plan B worked - great - whyever didn't I think of that? I simply wanted to 'Copy line' and 'Paste in position' in another, similar, document. And now I have! =============================================== Yes, I worried about not being able to surround the line entirely with the drag box. I guess the answer is to enable the pasteboard - view menu. I thought the pasteboard was enabled earlier, I suspect that I was seeing the window fill that appears on Windows when the window is bigger than the contents. David Pilling To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jun 7 14:37:54 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sccru-2Sx000-04-Dyj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:37:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sccru-2Sx000-04-Dyj; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:35:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sccru-2Sx000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:35:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sccrs-0000u3-Vu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:35:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEABBED2540; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:35:14 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339076115; bh=LENlGxlZiBTvhPJESA2SnzwNI6oueLbE5GmQEUI5 2xw=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=iC7HV2dn3exqsJhHfllXWHl13/sXHgGYqeJXyXih/tBU+rYXwt Y6vPXJO7Fvi0HjjiKo2rqQxbm7EgiBKpBOvE4ANi2horAN3sDPj5FO7KQKSOUU7LYwt GNiUGVpMZbADO4KCZP4oyvOc4aYGA47aYWHaIE04v9tZl8gnkgT4PI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v3I9B00OqMQH; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96E9FED0D62; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:35:01 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339076114; bh=LENlGxlZiBTvhPJESA2SnzwNI6oueLbE5GmQEUI5 2xw=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=k0BODZg8FUZdncW0+TbU8N8gEysr1vh+9VgGkT0gdl/dP7JGkQ UaTOHSkYqz9hyc93OPeiGgiS1/yFL/nJqbGssxZC5s/iQwtisG1OPpbdhtEzfDORHe4 FPml3dm4Y6owKF9fib7i6/xPbZJF/yBh5r6Mvgt1TA912Kp5YDzmdE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 Jun 2012 09:35:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F219ED16BD for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:35:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6p5ICG6v00FW for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA3AEED0D62 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Sccrb-0000jX-bf for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:34:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:33:28 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: can't select this line References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1279 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, Chris writes, (in another bounced email...) ============================================= > Chris writes, (in another bounced email...) [snip] Dear David, Why are my postings bouncing? What can I do about it? Chris. ============================================ Post from the address that you subscribed to the list with. It is not possible in the current world to allow anyone to post to a list like this. Otherwise we'd have helped get a billion dollars out of Afghanistan and... So postings are only allowed from the address people joined up with. You can change your email address, I guess you may be able to subscribe more than one address and set all but one of them to 'no mail'. See: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jun 7 14:52:54 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Scd88-1V1Vbs-07-DiV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:52:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Scd88-1V1Vbs-07-DiV; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:52:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Scd88-1V1Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:52:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Scd84-0002sa-9b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:52:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C153EED0B0F; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:51:58 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339077118; bh=ZcfrPe32lFyYE7cTIScl31B3Nnuviv1zLZgk8Nk9 zJs=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=a7NodDlTlV+DK/eBOR4frleVc71NnGY5zCKu1++uoanCe7Z0k8 m65zJ5Fq7sjvDr/pUYQXvW1mkIDVM4RhZUp7lXFPl6RyBeITpCwhx+cOFsSIXz7Z9cb hAxchjNgQulE1FH2S0uGsBWrLgwQEmhyyZKoYis6Z1XVGoV2w5d9mk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xKuEsnvbCbVz; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B08AED03A3; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:51:45 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339077117; bh=ZcfrPe32lFyYE7cTIScl31B3Nnuviv1zLZgk8Nk9 zJs=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=L3hH+jWV6HaT7/ZH/ROfiBwk6Gfdj1X2GccS1kfQ2lTSN6jwf3 Jvp1J70M4iFw44iwYVuddBlBWev92DUnCteylWM3vVf/f9IVoflIGCcJenFbzzU8tMe 9aJH3Thg8rtSQ5CYKRpbAXS15ecfMLR/o+z8tEs52G/POiB4XXeKu8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 Jun 2012 09:51:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15C5BED1324 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:51:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VeDZW8zgmJAc for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77239ED1731 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Scd7m-0006jN-ln for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:51:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:50:08 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation1 OPro applet and the ARMini. References: <1c53c69b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1c53c69b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1280 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, I've upped the version of the Ovation 1 applet to 1.06 and put it on my web site here: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/applets/files/ovn1.zip (yes, I know I need to change the text on the web pages). The idea of only changing stuff for ARM v7 when needed is turning into a bit of a mess. I think I will have to at least note somewhere on my web site what is needed to use Ovation Pro on ARM v7 - new main program, new colour supplement and now new Ovation1 applet. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jun 7 22:06:46 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Scjfp-4agVbs-02-FhK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:06:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Scjfp-4agVbs-02-FhK; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:51:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Scjfp-4agVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:51:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Scjfn-0003pe-2C for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:51:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D195AED32DF; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:51:12 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339102272; bh=xu8GQrDKShYmuEtcYBroYGBYf6rMyOOKHCmbOWIj LBU=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=stMsNr QbUwYBcKwo154hlb7rNbzQnrGLMUCDA4+5Tojqk7Rb17u/EUEj5wAf79gV67KXZaZW6 dO5vvlsC1UQoKgnBVs5xFfNrWJu+2EipP2HDFbh9IS60jKzMOk0Sb/s7epyjOj4gpRt J2Rz0xjDRcvb7KtJPdqjARZ5DiAaDhs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M+sjDMw4FgPc; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37845ED114D; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:50:59 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339102272; bh=xu8GQrDKShYmuEtcYBroYGBYf6rMyOOKHCmbOWIj LBU=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=stMsNr QbUwYBcKwo154hlb7rNbzQnrGLMUCDA4+5Tojqk7Rb17u/EUEj5wAf79gV67KXZaZW6 dO5vvlsC1UQoKgnBVs5xFfNrWJu+2EipP2HDFbh9IS60jKzMOk0Sb/s7epyjOj4gpRt J2Rz0xjDRcvb7KtJPdqjARZ5DiAaDhs= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:50:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 079C2ED2890 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:50:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1khFyfeLt7p7 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.1.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EDF3ED114D for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 16:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.97.42.81] (helo=chrision.Cornant) by smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ScjfU-0001dA-V1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:50:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Bell (Lists)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:50:48 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: can't select this line Message-ID: <529c4549b8lists@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-Smarthost01-IP: [88.97.42.81] X-archive-position: 1281 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling > Chris writes, (in another bounced email...) > > Why are my postings bouncing? What can I do about it? David Pilling wrote: > Post from the address that you subscribed to the list with. Is this better? To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jun 8 12:28:43 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ScksP-1uvVbs-01-EUk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 12:28:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ScksP-1uvVbs-01-EUk; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 22:08:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ScksP-1uvVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 22:08:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ScksH-0004KU-1g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 22:08:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47AA4ED2A76; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:08:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339106888; bh=7RIpstPZWvV/0EGO1airNlPgzUDw+79D3Alt/2m6 0xQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=e/WWcITMKgJqAc9FowaiGX27aVbEpDnM8gGXRnGZ1jU6Db89VK Lo12Tn5DYh+0flcq2p1oBFNRSBTrcwt/wMZUu79O7UO1ohCwmN6+tXOuaxiZ3bAyhcj ciF59Zdcr1VHCK39V1x0tEuQG2DMAHuq0YcT+sY9AN5Wu9Sei+lCXE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ufoi8rd6bvzN; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E02E6ED293F; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:07:53 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339106886; bh=7RIpstPZWvV/0EGO1airNlPgzUDw+79D3Alt/2m6 0xQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=l3m0SFVGEKbNeLwg9egmetyOqhgjbt6Cg7/PDbCWeZNHaeE7xm Gk70xGEwFlrQZQJbFD1jb0cGgFiX8Gg+6V6xbwwF/3+lX0Y2UVEB5utCCnrPSDdw3Pd 1cHtDGwdNhfQuuq2Qf5aQCEun8J1mH1VE7ivu+xelda+opGoLd7hoA= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:07:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B854EED2A71 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:07:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gjHnn7J31-oH for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07D9CED293F for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Sckrm-00029f-nS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 22:07:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 23:08:02 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: can't select this line References: <529c4549b8lists@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <529c4549b8lists@highpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1282 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <529c4549b8lists@highpath.net>, "Chris Bell (Lists)" writes >> Chris writes, (in another bounced email...) >> > Why are my postings bouncing? What can I do about it? > >David Pilling wrote: >> Post from the address that you subscribed to the list with. > >Is this better? Yes, thank you, that is great. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 11 12:37:03 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Se2ib-17kGPo-06-BNC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:37:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Se2ib-17kGPo-06-BNC; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:23:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Se2ib-17kGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:23:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Se2ia-0001r7-K6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:23:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21F82ED409B; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:23:30 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339413810; bh=Xld1iRpG6JYFNtfVplzKJrfs8Kbv8QMzPBdvcOiU 87M=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=weSmizvWYHs5d/ltn8CpFB8huXP4y TFaTCB/p6Vv8EBRzy2zpDu8Gv65+eLsmjFFRWu4qgm0g4A4x6bwCp2tVjO37nhIrp1Q oYi1L6SOmKT/V+5J86VAYTqWSmh9CrcRbDCnP6eH2o0obHV7XE1wnNt+Ewso7KsF3Vc acIGIuOc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KW2t2lZdvuQY; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7067ED189F; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:23:16 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339413809; bh=Xld1iRpG6JYFNtfVplzKJrfs8Kbv8QMzPBdvcOiU 87M=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=iAnYWr3+u7+biJNXRhfYWVAxXQ3Tn CoJfnzw52t+fUc8MijcpXyT6E/DKeKMFrfa6QW1b4k6azVHHdJcyzGNusyahxUvvQPD kRhCnQOg+cHiQdpjWZMotYCLVL7aPvAKDn+DxLMR9mBwiEqUx+L4yNiVXNiGUikpPHW VLlksXlI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:23:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35CC4ED3FF0 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:23:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KCndsl+NCxXI for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 970CAED189F for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 07:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Se2iI-0000WG-nU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:23:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:21:54 +0100 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS directory time stamps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1283 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, Someone pointed out to me that RISC OS 5 preserves directory time stamps when copying, but SparkFS does not support this. My investigation, shows that Spark and Tar files are OK, but Zip files don't allow directory attributes to be updated [1]. This is because originally I did not explicitly put directories in Zip archives - in ancient material you can see sad little notes about creating empty folders after you unpack the archive. Anyway, I have attempted to fix this [2]. I've done a new SparkFS Zip module. You can get it here: www.davidpilling.com/zip143.zip replace the old one in your existing copy of SparkFS, (SparkFS.modules), then double click to load. However this is experimental, I'd like people to test it and let me know if there are problems. The code is 20 years old, I may not know the implications of the changes I've made. [1] permanently updated, only after an archive forget + reload can you be sure you're seeing what is in the archive. [2] this will only work on archives where there is an actual archive entry for the directory. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 16 19:26:24 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sfxdc-4OLknw-08-BnP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:26:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sfxdc-4OLknw-08-BnP; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:22:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sfxdc-4OLknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:22:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sfxdc-0006Hv-3k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:22:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0274AED6121; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:22:18 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339870938; bh=kLixgEE/COd059GHv2HhYKYcmnvzV0E+FUFExcgu sos=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=QBDfXo6D/QSarsow85cUpLucrCnyL v3pHskqw8Eri+KdRoOLsbcuu3hqmlUFqX2u2T8ik7Cfs/vw048BXTShKwIBkCkhJkDe Ixljv6RuBEIwjwELh8Y3wRnKMzzwd5P2CeTL5hBpcqFvOdcpJqkmtf7drRqmM0JlWA8 rScCzNp8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h84cyQnv-dtw; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ACDE8ED5D3B; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:22:04 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339870937; bh=kLixgEE/COd059GHv2HhYKYcmnvzV0E+FUFExcgu sos=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=EGb7aBHQU0q7sWoE56s03yJG+QL/R BkSKyhtU/crwmP4w4yJyPEVFGQlES05cWJU0vJbUZX1P2w+l7lpxfHJ0r9tKoNjD5Od 0zuJCzQfJZsRDW9GAgb2FxjdmKtaPERj/ZeK1XzwDerbaPhfpmtlO8TXRzBhDL6+B1g cla00HhM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:22:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D6B0ED5D5B for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:22:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UAmkH8cfQANS for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 799A9ED5D3B for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.107.117]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5GILvLX020056 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:21:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:22:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Age old problem Message-ID: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1284 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Well here we are again, the same old, same old... I have a five page OvPro document containing text and graphics, I need to convert this material into an Epub file, but forget about that part as I use Calibre on a PC to do all that work once I get the material out of this damn RO file types problem The problem is, again, again, how to get the material out of a RO app and into something universal on a PC. And no, the document can't be manually re-constructed on the other side in Word by copying/pasting from Win OvPro into Word to construct the new document, because the five pages noted above are just a small test piece out of a *much* larger document. Any useful thoughts please as I have to confess my despair with the RO/Win file problem is at an all time low. Thanks Dave Aside question. Apart from Win OvPro and some Db apps are there any PC apps that can read or convert DDL files? 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16 Jun 2012 11:43:23 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <9342A72381D4451998647F896C571154@JOHN> From: "J LEEMING" To: References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:43:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-archive-position: 1285 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jleeming231@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Symes" To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:22 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Age old problem > Well here we are again, the same old, same old... > > I have a five page OvPro document containing text and graphics, I need to > convert this material into an Epub file, but forget about that part as I > use Calibre on a PC to do all that work once I get the material out of > this damn RO file types problem I haven't tried this myself, but have you investigated converting the OvPro document to a pdf first? I think there are some Windoze programs which will convert pdfs to Epubs. John L. 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[2.97.24.66]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d10sm22090820wiy.3.2012.06.16.12.37.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 12:37:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_23FA4E4E-8B45-47B9-A069-8955435252EC" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:37:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-Id: <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl98KtgGDM8x4ob8lrfh4aWRKsLrOBjzAnqKUzhN20a6/uw4D+8VwzwB/Bb/JCIAHBuHq+En64l2jjUdEmEANNvatbehw== X-archive-position: 1286 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling --Apple-Mail=_23FA4E4E-8B45-47B9-A069-8955435252EC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 16 Jun 2012, at 19:22, Dave Symes wrote: > I have a five page OvPro document containing text and graphics, I need to > convert this material into an Epub file, but forget about that part as I > use Calibre on a PC to do all that work once I get the material out of > this damn RO file types problem > > The problem is, again, again, how to get the material out of a RO app and > into something universal on a PC. Take a look at: http://www.2epub.com/ == CB --Apple-Mail=_23FA4E4E-8B45-47B9-A069-8955435252EC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I = have a five page OvPro document containing text and graphics, I need = to
convert this material into an Epub file, but forget about that = part as I
use Calibre on a PC to do all that work once I get the = material out of
this damn RO file types problem

The problem = is, again, again, how to get the material out of a RO app and
into = something universal on a PC.

Take a = look at: http://www.2epub.com/

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PDF is your answer. I've used PDFs created from OPro documents and converted to ePub using Calib= re in the past, and it works fine. > Aside question. > Apart from Win OvPro and some Db apps are there any PC apps that can read > or convert DDL files? Not that I know of. Gavin To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 16 21:55:52 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sfzoq-3tzVbs-08-9cB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:55:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sfzoq-3tzVbs-08-9cB; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:42:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sfzoq-3tzVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:42:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sfzoj-0000C2-Vk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:42:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2799FED5B23; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:41:56 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339879316; bh=S8a0gBy478StDcbo/OE5QaA8G8z8ZRyMLeJpMnXB 2CY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=BCSj3ep8JzyZAoi7VPIG5tyqZ17tCZlQ7e/HCGxNtBGOyJwWip NnqHq8JU+QAwbGQLW5JZiz4i5y1tGOt06S3OkrB4oLiV7LVDkKb/uUzY5NIeUcPggTT CXeySBY0QMq7It2jgdB7sTOav1s4+HdbOByUD5I8JVhDDvQLxuhJsU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KJcqzpO7srgg; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4026ECD330; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:41:42 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339879315; bh=S8a0gBy478StDcbo/OE5QaA8G8z8ZRyMLeJpMnXB 2CY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=mfGMZLM250Hh6FFFcjiBDtHn4429eZGG2hRE+VvomXeeXvI50Y qXbFwe+wlHExsbF3jdEHOuJezlZhmM9tCol3V0xeFL8qqljnOCD/cGgD/oIcqAWY/Hw gWG9ZWMpv0LTdafyU9nehY0Uf1A0KQQjiUtJFjYBOY+8cGBrkiE+BA= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:41:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 87C54ED4918 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:41:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hwMzDxInsvIs for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E41B0ECD330 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:41:41 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,783,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="630244758" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 16 Jun 2012 21:41:41 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDABB9A00F for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:41:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:41:42 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.69.2.3801 (Qt/4.7.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1289 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 16 Jun, Doug Webb wrote in message : > Well does not Calibre import PDF or HTML files so why not use > PrintPDF/Ghostscript? Note that if the document contains images, you'll get better results by using the PS3 drivers for this. PS2 will (probably) work[1], but bitmaps get chopped about and some vector stuff has issues as well. 1. And should tell you if the concept is OK or not. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 16 22:10:53 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sg03I-0YVVbs-01-9Nj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:10:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sg03I-0YVVbs-01-9Nj; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:57:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sg03I-0YVVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:57:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sg03D-0005Qo-Jo for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:57:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF2A3ED5B8E; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:48 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339880208; bh=G9LJHveFMpYfo7OA9+1bNa5ES0kZmy0FyHTzHpiq raU=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=JYYUDi U2oGTxv76zmTit2wuonOoGbjrVhfz4VSh9mOS6/VNsRgBI9rDalTY59G/131EOvY5bU u65cX9ZN86a4RaXNH+g9QKbSsaqwgtepGExfhKF/STs1DHOzeI43omwt29A8ghgzvDE 2y2c9zTAqoRhj1yrUKjz/XqDOq0kzVc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VBefbT4Iqq-5; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54792ED5B78; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:35 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339880208; bh=G9LJHveFMpYfo7OA9+1bNa5ES0kZmy0FyHTzHpiq raU=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=JYYUDi U2oGTxv76zmTit2wuonOoGbjrVhfz4VSh9mOS6/VNsRgBI9rDalTY59G/131EOvY5bU u65cX9ZN86a4RaXNH+g9QKbSsaqwgtepGExfhKF/STs1DHOzeI43omwt29A8ghgzvDE 2y2c9zTAqoRhj1yrUKjz/XqDOq0kzVc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23F98ED5B79 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WepusReqeDNt for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1A3EED5B78 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.107.117]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5GKuPEN024001 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:56:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:41:37 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a0e6f8badave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9342A72381D4451998647F896C571154@JOHN> References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <9342A72381D4451998647F896C571154@JOHN> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1291 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling pubIn article <9342A72381D4451998647F896C571154@JOHN>, J LEEMING wrote: > From: "Dave Symes" > > Well here we are again, the same old, same old... > > > > I have a five page OvPro document containing text and graphics, I need > > to convert this material into an Epub file, but forget about that part > > as I use Calibre on a PC to do all that work once I get the material > > out of this damn RO file types problem > I haven't tried this myself, but have you investigated converting the > OvPro document to a pdf first? I think there are some Windoze programs > which will convert pdfs to Epubs. > John L. Guess I should have written a few hundred words on our earlier expeditions into the Epub world. ... And we've heard the fat lady sing. We are always converting OvPro documents to PDFs that's the easy bit, unfortunately while PDFs can be converted to to Epubs they don't convert very well, and in some cases are a real mess. The ideal is a Word file, Exported as HTML which when loaded into Calibre converts very well. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 16 22:10:53 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sg03K-4T9Vbs-05-9Nh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:10:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sg03K-4T9Vbs-05-9Nh; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:57:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sg03K-4T9Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:57:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sg03E-00072q-8b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:57:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89FB0ED5B99; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339880212; bh=ZS3MDaLoPEI4wl/GVGaqk+5tJTT0K79gWr5wTy+F ZhA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=xVsF1S hIWQrkKKTf0O4QBg84GieQPBE4Ae8+EKTvqoTncm81MCQfvEYQIqgNpXk8J2XIJh1o0 7hlBboUIzR+j8Ef4NS8B86bE/eKQG2rNHn8bDYMMBJtTS7psYJ7QwophO6rKoFR9+bW skvfn2sl2gR3TKuigC50WeIkpbQriOo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aHj8owntdj1K; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDD73ED5B7A; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339880211; bh=ZS3MDaLoPEI4wl/GVGaqk+5tJTT0K79gWr5wTy+F ZhA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Fr2Fgv 2oSr/yGxAJCp6o1PDzg22slbfIQy7SATY7DHqUTaSeA7VOQ9GvF4JoadP1cVhnnWwIi 9fO+LrX1J/zK4JSjcYgMd8/vZyHYzOwcHe6bri1b2avEteKY6iJAd6oG79AIxxjElFe Iwc/9jTaeN4X44iiisP0sEBo8sGlY6Y= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F8BEED5B7B for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id spc6NhvURZai for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AB24ED5B7A for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.107.117]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5GKuPEP024001 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:56:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:54:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a0e82e0cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1292 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Doug Webb wrote: > In message <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> > Dave Symes wrote: > > Well here we are again, the same old, same old... > > I have a five page OvPro document containing text and graphics, I need > > to convert this material into an Epub file, but forget about that part > > as I use Calibre on a PC to do all that work once I get the material > > out of this damn RO file types problem > > The problem is, again, again, how to get the material out of a RO app > > and into something universal on a PC. > Well does not Calibre import PDF or HTML files so why not use > PrintPDF/Ghostscript? > "Calibre supports the conversion of many input formats to many output > formats. It can convert every input format in the following list, to > every output format. > Input Formats: CBZ, CBR, CBC, CHM, DJVU, EPUB, FB2, HTML, HTMLZ, LIT, > LRF, MOBI, ODT, PDF, PRC, PDB, PML, RB, RTF, SNB, TCR, TXT, TXTZ > Output Formats: AZW3, EPUB, FB2, OEB, LIT, LRF, MOBI, HTMLZ, PDB, PML, > RB, PDF, RTF, SNB, TCR, TXT, TXTZ" Yes, yes, and we've heard the fat lady sing... It doesn't accept Ovation Pro files, it doesn't do DDL either. (Calibre). Yes OvPro can be output (PrintPDF or PDFCreator) as a PDF, unfortunately PDFs are not an ideal type to use for conversion to Epub... After conversion... Badly formatted, graphics out of place and so on. We've tried a lot of methods and apps, and the *only* most of the time satisfactory way is out of Word as HTML which is then put into Calibre. Even exporting out of other capable apps as HTML is only marginally better than PDFs. Also tried exporting out of Kompozer and Sea Monkey, HTML creator/editors, but the converted end result was not satisfactory. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 16 22:10:53 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sg03O-4N5Vbs-04-9Nd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:10:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sg03O-4N5Vbs-04-9Nd; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:57:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sg03O-4N5Vbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:57:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sg036-00016y-Ar for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:57:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9D53ED5B23; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:46 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339880206; bh=UyNkJxZ3jK7cIfk2XlgsAQhvW9yY8OnB58O+zYxd YIA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=cKZdP+ f/6Gqq733u8DpoYaCqtqux+RRXgnNWFG6G/HmERAXV3FiE2te408YVvRySiEzvCMmtE ZXlss6MKPKu7tMqk2wCehQmzBfAPA0W4U3BJwurQLkhB6nZPvHqOIfJpB/483Ef8Gvw 6vEsMlb3+r1tEHNRMVS9HY4sP9S+BLg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rVpgDavX4HxH; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E08BED5B76; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339880205; bh=UyNkJxZ3jK7cIfk2XlgsAQhvW9yY8OnB58O+zYxd YIA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Jg5ykV XOYm4X0X8ry+auBQW8ERoOEeWoe7+KHcoZoCVRgzVQX09e/UkY/V8N7RaL8zpJIkfPI zn42p0J49GIYkLXO5VkwPI3sn3PNi2+BAk2ZABq96wV1wUSh9d92gU5eQlIg6LylBO2 WBmqzDVNclr9nIIHkTFyu2VamfMfmUc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF9ECED5B70 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03OmgacLLpgn for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65CF9ED5B76 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.107.117]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5GKuPEL024001 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:56:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:08:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1290 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 16 Jun 2012, at 19:22, Dave Symes wrote: > > I have a five page OvPro document containing text and graphics, I need > > to convert this material into an Epub file, but forget about that part > > as I use Calibre on a PC to do all that work once I get the material > > out of this damn RO file types problem > > > > The problem is, again, again, how to get the material out of a RO app > > and into something universal on a PC. > Take a look at: http://www.2epub.com/ > == > CB I guess... Thank you all for your replies, but I somehow knew when I posted my note this was what I'd get back. :-( I don't want any online or any other epub converter thank you, that's all long since been sourced, played with etc, etc. We use Calibre and Sigil which are about the best apps for the job we found during our research some while back. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 16 22:25:53 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sg0JL-072GPo-04-97g.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:25:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sg0JL-072GPo-04-97g; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:13:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sg0JL-072GPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:13:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sg0JH-0000Lt-43 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:13:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22239ED4A4A; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:13:28 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339881208; bh=suBJbiy7DyCYZPPC8pvJhXwWcDPNDmXAvvULlaE8 azg=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Y9miGf u+lZJgV4C42hGYMP7aA744skrXMkttsYiyUrYuROvwifcfk/83GaqMz47zHm26NcpYT aOiJ+oXcYqNk2K1Jn69DtJwUFZv2ibplvKSXa0DrlETca1njVMcxcl1NwXP1JBzqthD kmTuQ0LIRxCKWBCrVqIEtdyktRWu7oE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fqd03Ea75lR1; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5BBDED49FD; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:13:14 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339881207; bh=suBJbiy7DyCYZPPC8pvJhXwWcDPNDmXAvvULlaE8 azg=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=WoxS0S woogOjifTTIuryMtOaM5kSi/G2bXlJlCYAFVsv2lOtmOpb0JL3ChBpEsRlWbaclyL/5 Ds1mDjKSybJzz91eVok7bZWRojqKXHQaXB1yLdJ1e0kGmvvU8xMoE6NWVaMOW6sNUOv tjeirA46yQy4gaz9C2SnHHb4IRwUw6Y= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:13:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73C49ED4A00 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:13:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3bJv8Q8TiORb for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25EADED49FD for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.107.117]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5GLD8r6024461 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:13:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:09:22 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a0e9830ddave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1293 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Gav Crawford wrote: [Snippy] > PDF is your answer. > I've used PDFs created from OPro documents and converted to ePub using > Calibre in the past, and it works fine. No, PDF is not the answer. (... Fat lady singing again). A PDF will convert reasonably okay if there are no graphics in the document (though compared to the Word/HTML method PDFs are a poor conversion method) if however the document contains graphic elements, using the PDF method in the majority of conversions leads to graphics displaying in the wrong places. Thanks Dave A recent example being. A graphic, at the very end of a document, the very last thing in the document, displayed in the Epub after PDF conversion, two pages up from the end in the middle of the text. Reconstructing in Word and Exporting as HTML and then into Calibre the graphic displayed in the correct place. D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 16 22:25:54 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sg0JR-3Sxknw-02-97a.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:25:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sg0JR-3Sxknw-02-97a; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:13:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sg0JR-3Sxknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:13:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sg0JQ-0003Wa-CD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 21:13:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4967AED54B0; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:13:31 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339881211; bh=e0RdG39+K6935c+qwwVPgJSMPEgAo5Pb3sj6557p S+c=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=s1MJiv KQCaEP4bnyQnA/x41MMiXhNmJ2MCIq7VhUmMu4J+1rQb0MS0xif6NsRD1saALPrzE2g YQXPyi/vYdciaK2TYaoj4KZ+y1q6t0xSYitL+JwVSvlavfCu6nP5IvY6lCgMyJ7LOni BwXSgeDS61PLecI8qs+y3eQtWqu48BQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0pJZrQxcEmIn; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B46C9ED4A03; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:13:16 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339881209; bh=e0RdG39+K6935c+qwwVPgJSMPEgAo5Pb3sj6557p S+c=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=EDdrJJ 8aie/zp05eW5mciyJMFnPHWqEKBPCFGimQ2Ndk19apMhoUXLHsRTF3K99VTFOTbndIo 5FnB8lSvqhneyLniso9v3Hh8d4zr0kmnCAyEMo8yS4+A87FtBVoI6DD7UYOegbKy8xY QGnfhnr65K0vuYtUDv6Vl+SMsG4LdpQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:13:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90763ED4A07 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:13:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tn4REZ79HxhY for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 397A9ED4A03 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.107.117]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5GLD8r8024461 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:13:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:13:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a0e9e580dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1294 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 16 Jun, Doug Webb wrote in message > : > > Well does not Calibre import PDF or HTML files so why not use > > PrintPDF/Ghostscript? > Note that if the document contains images, you'll get better results by > using the PS3 drivers for this. PS2 will (probably) work[1], but bitmaps > get chopped about and some vector stuff has issues as well. > 1. And should tell you if the concept is OK or not. Unfortunately PDF is not the answer, no matter how it is generated. If it was, I wouldn't be taking part in this conversation would I? 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Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (outbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net [212.11.70.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8008ED49F8 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound-edge-1.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (bonnie.gradwell.net [212.11.70.2]) by outbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181AA22936; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:42:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from host109-150-146-62.range109-150.btcentralplus.com (HELO [192.168.1.66]) (109.150.146.62) (smtp-auth username postmaster%pop3.dentrassis.com, mechanism plain) by outbound-edge-1.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTPA; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:42:20 +0100 References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a0e9830ddave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52a0e9830ddave@triffid.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <9BF169DC-0B30-4F21-B632-99898D7BECEF@dentrassis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Gav Crawford Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:42:19 +0100 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" X-Gradwell-MongoId: 4fdcfdbc.16bea-42e3-1 X-Gradwell-Auth-Method: mailbox X-Gradwell-Auth-Credentials: postmaster@pop3.dentrassis.com X-archive-position: 1295 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@dentrassis.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 16 Jun 2012, at 10:09 PM, Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > Gav Crawford wrote: > [Snippy] >> PDF is your answer. >=20 >> I've used PDFs created from OPro documents and converted to ePub using >> Calibre in the past, and it works fine. >=20 > No, PDF is not the answer. (... Fat lady singing again). >=20 > A PDF will convert reasonably okay if there are no graphics in the > document (though compared to the Word/HTML method PDFs are a poor > conversion method) if however the document contains graphic elements, > using the PDF method in the majority of conversions leads to graphics > displaying in the wrong places. >=20 > Thanks > Dave >=20 > A recent example being. A graphic, at the very end of a document, the very= > last thing in the document, displayed in the Epub after PDF conversion, > two pages up from the end in the middle of the text. >=20 > Reconstructing in Word and Exporting as HTML and then into Calibre the > graphic displayed in the correct place. All of which, would suggest that OPro is not the right starting point. The f= act that HTML and Word documents have a structured layout, with a 'flow' mea= ns the conversion to ePub will put graphic objects in the 'correct' place. O= Pro and PDF documents won't have this same structured flow to them, so graph= ics and text in separate frames won't necessarily be placed in the correct p= osition. Maybe the only true solution is to re-create the document in a stru= ctured format in an editor that is suitable. 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16 Jun 2012 21:59:14 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <0E82EAA974BF49E2B41F86E8EDE2E23F@JOHN> From: "J LEEMING" To: References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a0e9830ddave@triffid.co.uk> <9BF169DC-0B30-4F21-B632-99898D7BECEF@dentrassis.com> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:59:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-archive-position: 1296 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jleeming231@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gav Crawford" To: Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:42 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem All of which, would suggest that OPro is not the right starting point. The fact that HTML and Word documents have a structured layout, with a 'flow' means the conversion to ePub will put graphic objects in the 'correct' place. OPro and PDF documents won't have this same structured flow to them, so graphics and text in separate frames won't necessarily be placed in the correct position. Maybe the only true solution is to re-create the document in a structured format in an editor that is suitable. ------------- I would be amazed if anyone managed to produce a Word document with the graphics in the desired places in the first instance! John L. 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Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:02:44 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52a0e6f8badave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <9342A72381D4451998647F896C571154@JOHN> <52a0e6f8badave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1297 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Dave Symes wrote: > We are always converting OvPro documents to PDFs that's the easy bit, > unfortunately while PDFs can be converted to to Epubs they don't convert > very well, and in some cases are a real mess. Wouldn't it be better to pursue the people who support the PDF -> Epub conversion tool? If you get dodgy results presumably lots of other people do too, after all PDFs are a pretty standard format. I don't see why you keep ranting about the OPro aspect of this; once a document's a PDF it shouldn't matter how it got produced as one. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jun 16 23:25:55 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sg1PE-35xVbs-01-GYJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:25:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sg1PE-35xVbs-01-GYJ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:23:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sg1PE-35xVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:23:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sg1PA-0002ZQ-8u for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:23:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D703ED4A4B; 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Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 23:23:12 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1298 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Dave Symes wrote: > We use Calibre and Sigil which are about the best apps for the job we > found during our research some while back. When you send them a copy of one of your PDFs that doesn't convert properly, what do they say? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 17 12:04:30 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sg8Y3-3TNknw-04-9PU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:04:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sg8Y3-3TNknw-04-9PU; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 06:01:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sg8Y3-3TNknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 06:01:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sg8Xy-0000sC-UA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 06:01:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABEB9ED5964; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:01:10 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339912870; bh=VpSfiHiXU/VF9X+mgMw+mKSqUGhTxe6Nt51YVkdA qMY=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=iLZMkk jYtrVL3yx5uw946jA93iG9qub4ae+zfu2uiqUAkEM8AfPXDP8aU8j+yEOqDL5UiCRB4 qNy1GlOR9BYKEcz4a0gFZFGahGKkBAoVQxWVJdQ1Hy7A3o+rctBZvlhtre2nBEMgB/W aUDOf2npd3wHUvd+3A6tE1Fl10B7SCk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y13OpFGPplCx; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6893EED58CF; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:00:57 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339912869; bh=VpSfiHiXU/VF9X+mgMw+mKSqUGhTxe6Nt51YVkdA qMY=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=g8UwwQ 0mDNS1q7+J4e12ROuQ6LjrgyQu9cB9hd/daL+DIdh481sGqdmJSolAAgE+7j7mmqI2V Rtlp569+27QK5/c38cNPacqeRCjSArErAlVeglTcoeiJZYIlLy+kQuj0fJNhSQCD9yc UCdcuk1cTPCPN8OnsmzntI9dp0IYeJI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:00:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DB8BED5946 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:00:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5EqBQL4GypUL for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EFECED58CF for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.107.117]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5H60gv1025058 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:00:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 06:10:06 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > > We use Calibre and Sigil which are about the best apps for the job we > > found during our research some while back. > When you send them a copy of one of your PDFs that doesn't convert > properly, what do they say? Why would I send them a copy of a PDF? In the material available for the use of Calibre, the author notes there are problems with using PDFs as the source materials, which are problems in the PDFs not in Calibre. He also suggests using other forms of input. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 17 12:04:31 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sg8Y5-4Ls000-01-9PS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:04:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sg8Y5-4Ls000-01-9PS; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 06:01:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sg8Y5-4Ls000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 06:01:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sg8Xz-0003sL-F0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 06:01:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FFF2ED597C; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:01:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339912871; bh=UWamx9W8uQ5afzcUt7Yz+xY9oYSsp7v4wtEE9LtW dPI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=WGbzFY 0L4mpWAobHLRbXCneYLO+BV+tpEsEdu8AVOciBqvicvc61r11F0cVlIPi6u+TCkqy/E RPXAO8ZtglGOVh6fsWsVU56I68MQsaDkI0AV67r8fRWwxFTWyM9yQg5dgfUOvb77I6P 7TAWI6qTjoosllv4s6UfztWndILBPX8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VE8A87-v1+Eh; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68B1FED593B; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:00:57 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339912869; bh=UWamx9W8uQ5afzcUt7Yz+xY9oYSsp7v4wtEE9LtW dPI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=rwPQap sL9h3rM+CRLj9eZoq3IeVOfmtJn0vWvwFtPmoC6KsLE1nQGPWvKbD7MtQYNRtCOkFNN GpxApxTxgPZyWgD33j9f7P4c8fTF+h/1KzmbV0o/AQ5DxtUdvMAa+RWZ5mcT3EHXJvF KLfrs+OP+Y2/J9wwq1rodO192uS8hE4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:00:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A3A2ED593C for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:00:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0x+GZItRwsKi for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F36AED593B for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 02:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.107.117]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5H60gv3025058 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:00:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 06:41:32 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a11866b8dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <9342A72381D4451998647F896C571154@JOHN> <52a0e6f8badave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1299 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > > We are always converting OvPro documents to PDFs that's the easy bit, > > unfortunately while PDFs can be converted to to Epubs they don't > > convert very well, and in some cases are a real mess. > Wouldn't it be better to pursue the people who support the PDF -> Epub > conversion tool? If you get dodgy results presumably lots of other > people do too, after all PDFs are a pretty standard format. > I don't see why you keep ranting about the OPro aspect of this; once a > document's a PDF it shouldn't matter how it got produced as one. The point is Jeremy, unlike many similar PC apps, Ovation Pro, as excellent an app as it is, fails at the last hurdle, because, using a third party application (Thanks Steve) it can only output one cross platform file type. Sure, I convert OvPro documents to PDFs all the time, to send materials to my PC world customers... But... In this particular instance that one output route is not a satisfactory one and as I use OvPro for all my document production, I guess I'm going to moan about it, rather than say Publisher. D. Thank you all for popping in with your thoughts, appreciated. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 17 12:04:50 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SgArT-3UIVbs-04-Fca.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:04:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SgArT-3UIVbs-04-Fca; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:29:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SgArT-3UIVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:29:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SgArQ-0003r1-T2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:29:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3D8AED5C80; 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Sun, 17 Jun 2012 04:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avasout03.plus.net (avasout03.plus.net [84.93.230.244]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD034ED5B71 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 04:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ascension ([80.229.238.131]) by avasout03 with smtp id PLV91j0082qnZCo01LVAQk; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:29:11 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=HM1B5/Rv c=1 sm=1 a=qfYX4NTkbaeWysLv3RyBCg==:17 a=A5Cp0mHbVzYA:10 a=wdYxGRYizfAA:10 a=aYE7sx7dAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=NMN2YVDdAAAA:8 a=fEroON26VNHuwtrBbY4A:9 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=qfYX4NTkbaeWysLv3RyBCg==:117 X-AUTH: weatherpost:2500 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:28:58 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a127bae0nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <9342A72381D4451998647F896C571154@JOHN> References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <9342A72381D4451998647F896C571154@JOHN> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1300 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Dave Symes" wrote: > > Well here we are again, the same old, same old... > > > > I have a five page OvPro document containing text and > > graphics, I need to convert this material into an Epub > > file, but forget about that part as I use Calibre on a PC > > to do all that work once I get the material out of this > > damn RO file types problem Ive just downloaded Calibre for Linux and its suggesting HTML is a better format to convert from than PDF. I'll summerise here, the manual is at manual.calibre-ebook.com In decreasing order of conversion: Input Formats: CBZ, CBR, CBC, CHM, DJVU, EPUB, FB2, HTML, HTMLZ, LIT, LRF, MOBI, ODT, PDF, PRC, PDB, PML, RB, RTF, SNB, TCR, TXT, TXTZ Output Formats: AZW3, EPUB, FB2, OEB, LIT, LRF, MOBI, HTMLZ, PDB, PML, RB, PDF, RTF, SNB, TCR, TXT, TXTZ To convert a collection of html files in an order you need a contents.html file and read the caviats regarding file linking orders. HTH -- besters.. 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DLN3V_vUahSs9RRqpxDTY9h8aAQVF1FxP365rV2OGjWJIi3DVvaSiWnTl.IP xMnFNKydW1RAAjFTKgkgOZPheraOa1VewcfacC1J2Tif7WbWgAjFpOtA2WlQ DhlKuz2VA6Ma2LPx4775.UQBO5gMhb.pzAT8Tb1L9_Ilf2dec2PrnZb2xWgq 6tELJwk2.Xyy9nsauKepQrUgOSYiVqZ74FbJISxJZGN80BLp7_wsXesaZkVI NrwcgCoeRbKSIBOv1Wx1Y5Iqqs4RVvxNbSOwglLmQYRPJtdzazD.VWDKIKeq rkuJxjEeqRt7K3UvI3Q-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 6KB1.9qswBB7aigfaPph36Bh4fuxjBaHbXxkMgKlNmtSEzepUa3B Received: from beagle.doug.j.webb.btinternet.com (doug.j.webb@31.52.197.223 with login) by smtp817.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2012 02:06:53 -0700 PDT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Doug Webb X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:06:48 +0100 Message-ID: References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a0e82e0cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52a0e82e0cdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.05 (MsgServe/6.04) (RISC-OS/5.19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1301 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: doug.j.webb@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <52a0e82e0cdave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > Doug Webb wrote: >> In message <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> >> Dave Symes wrote: >>> Well here we are again, the same old, same old... >>> I have a five page OvPro document containing text and graphics, I need >>> to convert this material into an Epub file, but forget about that part >>> as I use Calibre on a PC to do all that work once I get the material >>> out of this damn RO file types problem >>> The problem is, again, again, how to get the material out of a RO app >>> and into something universal on a PC. >> Well does not Calibre import PDF or HTML files so why not use >> PrintPDF/Ghostscript? >> "Calibre supports the conversion of many input formats to many output >> formats. It can convert every input format in the following list, to >> every output format. >> Input Formats: CBZ, CBR, CBC, CHM, DJVU, EPUB, FB2, HTML, HTMLZ, LIT, >> LRF, MOBI, ODT, PDF, PRC, PDB, PML, RB, RTF, SNB, TCR, TXT, TXTZ >> Output Formats: AZW3, EPUB, FB2, OEB, LIT, LRF, MOBI, HTMLZ, PDB, PML, >> RB, PDF, RTF, SNB, TCR, TXT, TXTZ" > Yes, yes, and we've heard the fat lady sing... > It doesn't accept Ovation Pro files, it doesn't do DDL either. (Calibre). > Yes OvPro can be output (PrintPDF or PDFCreator) as a PDF, unfortunately > PDFs are not an ideal type to use for conversion to Epub... After > conversion... Badly formatted, graphics out of place and so on. So what you really are complaining about is that a PC "industrial" standard document format and a PC programme that can't import correctly not that OvnPro is deficient. > We've tried a lot of methods and apps, and the *only* most of the time > satisfactory way is out of Word as HTML which is then put into Calibre. Have you tried the PDFUtils, based on the Poppler library, to do the PDF to HTML conversation and see if that is an improvement. PDFUtils can be found on the risc.info site I agree it would be good if OvationPro did doc/docx or ODT/ODF export just as it would be good if an industry "leading" programme like Word did PDF import or Calibre did a proper job of importing PDF's. Doug -- See and experience the future using ARM Technology - BeagleBoard -xM, Cortex A8 and RISC OS 5.19. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 17 12:34:20 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SgDW5-110GPo-01-Cxy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:34:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SgDW5-110GPo-01-Cxy; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:19:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SgDW5-110GPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:19:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SgDVw-0004Ct-Py for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:19:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50202ED5E91; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:19:26 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339931966; bh=owh/JD6eJrDdrz62tul19C5TWYVGZu+TO30JKCn+ yqM=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Lmqjt3mpyXX9s8WC9YT/Hd6kY6hAC4+CTlXDsctIzgtgR/dd8Y zR/WDUrUJEcifiA5QWNWlQ4eIff2tdJ4wXGZuf/59HnyPKRfQqwavbHC2mwrwh7VZ92 kbvmpkpLfEAgF/sbkZmOaCaWT/gQ/LqKDK/PcuR4c2Zy3HgEqIInDM= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oHyn4Eu84fw0; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7C00ED5E76; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:19:12 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339931965; bh=owh/JD6eJrDdrz62tul19C5TWYVGZu+TO30JKCn+ yqM=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=j1ViXC9abvULnVjVp54UJb0J+1oNcvCA3sHG0VppktjbCfqgY0 qtGE2fyRZg5UBeWc5zYFZst71JW1UzO3UMR3yAfg30RT70JhYtPWZjMUQl3uQXee/ji BxSPl5DVi2KmmzC/NaPoLzkKsO1cLB8KuhYQsdAC3o90g4cNon/uj8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:19:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8637AED5E77 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:19:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D2HTD7oUp8s4 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90D45ED5E76 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SgDVb-0003fa-hf for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:19:07 +0000 Message-ID: <4807JNBQzb3PFwrH@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:17:36 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a0e82e0cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1302 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, I'm keeping a low profile, since it is "all my fault", I'd say is that if you're in a situation were PDF is effectively being OCR'd then it is a poor choice for an exchange format. I read on wikipedia: "EPUB is designed for reflowable content, meaning that the text display can be optimized for the particular display device used by the reader of the EPUB-formatted book, although EPUB now also supports fixed-layout content. " Reflowable content is what HTML, web pages are, which points to HTML export as being the right intermediate format, and away from PDF. It also points to constructing a word processor style document, with pictures embedded in the flow and no fixed frames or page dependent material. Producing PDF will convert this into exactly what you don't want, a document with fixed frames - PDF has no way of knowing that a frame is embedded in a text flow. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 17 12:49:20 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SgDnP-2Z4000-04-Cge.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:49:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SgDnP-2Z4000-04-Cge; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:37:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SgDnP-2Z4000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:37:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SgDnG-00043n-QB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:37:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 004D2ED45CF; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:37:18 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339933038; bh=EP2tJdDa4mhH/5I+Y0+JERHdigpEKGvta9Sf/IKo 63I=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=SjkMIrThNulb8Lut7hyvj1LMJ5xrE4TarLAFuvI/2SK5UJDqzN AP3quWGVjW6HN3aX5jbv892v71WC8Ku+ItZwtoeaCF+YoREuBaIZD8HiLrIUZIKWczd dydItQTS/vUJR2YaiZA0Mn459l7EpcLgYXs25Zf7zG9tXxlRCXmhoo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3wKcgo0C7LYN; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDC1FED3D8C; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:37:03 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339933036; bh=EP2tJdDa4mhH/5I+Y0+JERHdigpEKGvta9Sf/IKo 63I=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=b26D2GOl+DXDQN5ZJmfRsxL91EyT8qDQ5uELoT8nTzfhGf279z AagYRac9hAnYTMU47nm4rmzXEuh6LX/n6Kl2fvXx3Z7bC+5pJJcpxCWNCYcM4WiLSJD 0o0sYOTz1uIJeuvKWH3sj8CG/QC/pbl6yj4efnurrbZGgWkPzttmcs= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:37:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E767ED4073 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:37:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dfFv669JwSvg for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31FAFED3D8C for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 07:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([109.176.198.172]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5HBafTA001282 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:36:42 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:36:31 +0100 Message-ID: References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a0e9830ddave@triffid.co.uk> <9BF169DC-0B30-4F21-B632-99898D7BECEF@dentrassis.com> <0E82EAA974BF49E2B41F86E8EDE2E23F@JOHN> In-Reply-To: <0E82EAA974BF49E2B41F86E8EDE2E23F@JOHN> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1303 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <0E82EAA974BF49E2B41F86E8EDE2E23F@JOHN> "J LEEMING" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gav Crawford" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:42 PM > Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem > All of which, would suggest that OPro is not the right starting point. The > fact that HTML and Word documents have a structured layout, with a 'flow' > means the conversion to ePub will put graphic objects in the 'correct' > place. OPro and PDF documents won't have this same structured flow to them, > so graphics and text in separate frames won't necessarily be placed in the > correct position. Maybe the only true solution is to re-create the document > in a structured format in an editor that is suitable. > ------------- > I would be amazed if anyone managed to produce a Word document with the > graphics in the desired places in the first instance! > John L. > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling You could try embedding the graphics in the text in OPro, instead of using separate frames for them. Then convert via PDF. This way you mimic the way Word handles graphics. The problem is because you are trying to use three pieces of software with fundamentally different models of a document. Word treats a document as a sequence of objects. It's a Word processor. OPro treats a document as a set of frames with no inherent relationship and absolute position. It's a desktop publisher. ePub sounds as though, like a web page, it treats a document as text and graphics elements with markup to guide the display. It's a markup editor. If you want to originate documents on RISC OS for import into Word you should be using EasiWriter, which has a similar document model to Word, and Word export. DTP is about fixing the display of output. HTML is about letting the user decide. They are not compitable. The only sensible way to give an HTML user a fixed layout is PDF. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 17 13:49:22 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SgEjb-1kVGPo-02-BkS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:49:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SgEjb-1kVGPo-02-BkS; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:37:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SgEjb-1kVGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:37:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SgEjN-0002vC-6I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:37:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DA78ED4230; 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Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:36:27 +0100 (BST) From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BC865A79-23E9-445D-9583-ADA6B4464454" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Age old problem Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 13:36:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4807JNBQzb3PFwrH@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a0e82e0cdave@triffid.co.uk> <4807JNBQzb3PFwrH@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <004A2AE0-A753-4202-8C62-C49DD1906CD4@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.52, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 --Apple-Mail=_BC865A79-23E9-445D-9583-ADA6B4464454 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On 17 Jun 2012, at 12:17, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I'm keeping a low profile, since it is "all my fault", I'd say is that if= you're in a situation were PDF is effectively being OCR'd then it is a poo= r choice for an exchange format. >=20 > I read on wikipedia: >=20 > "EPUB is designed for reflowable content, meaning that the text display c= an be optimized for the particular display device used by the reader of the= EPUB-formatted book, although EPUB now also supports fixed-layout content.= " >=20 > Reflowable content is what HTML, web pages are, which points to HTML expo= rt as being the right intermediate format, and away from PDF. A little while ago there was discussion on what would be the "best" export = option to add to Ovation Pro. As I recall, the consensus was for ODF. My ma= in use for OP(W) is DTP, i.e. to produce books rather than as a general wor= d processor and, in future, I may wish to produce ebooks. For me, therefore= , HTML output would be a higher priority than ODF. =3D=3D CB= --Apple-Mail=_BC865A79-23E9-445D-9583-ADA6B4464454 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline
On 17 Jun 20= 12, at 12:17, David Pilling wrote:

Hi,

I'm keeping a low profile, s= ince it is "all my fault", I'd say is that if you're in a situation were PD= F is effectively being OCR'd then it is a poor choice for an exchange forma= t.

I read on wikipedia:

"EPUB is designed for reflowable cont= ent, meaning that the text display can be optimized for the particular disp= lay device used by the reader of the EPUB-formatted book, although EPUB now= also supports fixed-layout content. "

Reflowable content is what HT= ML, web pages are, which points to HTML export as being the right intermedi= ate format, and away from PDF.

A little wh= ile ago there was discussion on what would be the "best" export option to a= dd to Ovation Pro. As I recall, the consensus was for ODF. My main use for = OP(W) is DTP, i.e. to produce books rather than as a general word processor= and, in future, I may wish to produce ebooks. For me, therefore, HTML outp= ut would be a higher priority than ODF.
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Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 6.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1305 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mik.towse@xemik.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <0E82EAA974BF49E2B41F86E8EDE2E23F@JOHN> J LEEMING wrote: > I would be amazed if anyone managed to produce a Word document with the > graphics in the desired places in the first instance! That made me laugh ironically. I often d/l help manuals from HTML pages & getting Word to put the pages in the right place steals my lifeforce. One thing that seems to be overlooked here is that Epub isn't graphics friendly. IIRC the suggested way to prseent Graphics is in-line on their own line. http://www.craftingfiction.com/2010/08/epub-formatting-what-you-need-to-know-part-1.html -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.co.uk/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk xemik.net - cost effective web hosting : http://xemik.net Waste not fresh tears over old griefs To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 17 15:19:23 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SgG82-3O1knw-08-AM1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:19:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SgG82-3O1knw-08-AM1; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:06:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SgG82-3O1knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:06:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SgG7z-0003kK-Bn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:06:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DBB98ED42B2; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:06:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339942004; bh=4DmilIM4GxiB/XdgfFq8HwpdKTTWlq2+7dzTCH00 dN4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=g0jf+SvwJlSegbSNO4T81IJ91QUuzCmB5+jNDyMaJgOz/9f5zo Tpsg22wTaWedc+BC5APkwW1R1QurMXmk3EDXrICQm+b9/DHKCFnXWGJ34ixc1mnEwah yL97nyTlkOe4fKRCwL3tTtyPIgAkInNF1reRnWiP0sbm4gdwdcUzVc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Afq+AOYFDETY; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 446C9ED3C26; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:06:30 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339942002; bh=4DmilIM4GxiB/XdgfFq8HwpdKTTWlq2+7dzTCH00 dN4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=LK3GQjGYv65uEdjSm2R9YgN9+rcEZuB+wRn61QPq5YJDLqOZou r3Pn96+/1EcEkNoKBd0ucnHOlXmsfKtR+WtLpT9/EC2sqd9ECk9iBm/JqfhbMncly/t /PS2+xN9A/ODhqKMwYnw8PznBTekP9crgRaZQIx87sYYd8AeH/Aizw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:06:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D33BED4160 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:06:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pVIDVs+NZucI for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avasout02.plus.net (avasout02.plus.net [212.159.14.17]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E779ED3C26 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from standalone.xemik.com ([87.114.134.230]) by avasout02 with smtp id PS6R1j00B4yRRCv01S6TyQ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:06:27 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=WPP9rwQR c=1 sm=1 a=z00fVM2Dk6bTWy+PY+WaDg==:17 a=OCiQeCWRWeAA:10 a=wdYxGRYizfAA:10 a=Vvy1_FAz6tQA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aWJfat-lAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=R2OTYkJWAAAA:8 a=YLs-sxLQAAAA:8 a=bKMCzSZhAAAA:8 a=HwbjPw_GRvqf_zdgGd0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=EcQXcao8HCYA:10 a=FeDn5ByjUKUA:10 a=VHMuW4ssSCILeQzD:21 a=8-vpwmARa6UCFNeB:21 a=z00fVM2Dk6bTWy+PY+WaDg==:117 X-AUTH: xemik:2500 Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 14:43:24 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52A14484AC%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a0e82e0cdave@triffid.co.uk> <4807JNBQzb3PFwrH@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4807JNBQzb3PFwrH@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 6.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1305 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mik.towse@xemik.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <4807JNBQzb3PFwrH@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > I'm keeping a low profile, since it is "all my fault", I'd say is that > if you're in a situation were PDF is effectively being OCR'd then it is > a poor choice for an exchange format. > > I read on wikipedia: > > "EPUB is designed for reflowable content, meaning that the text display > can be optimized for the particular display device used by the reader of > the EPUB-formatted book, although EPUB now also supports fixed-layout > content. " [snip] > It also points to constructing a word processor style document, with > pictures embedded in the flow and no fixed frames or page dependent > material. [snip] Well said... Having dabbled with Epub myself, I'd not even consider using OPro to produce documents meant for this format. I have both OPro & Techwriter (yes, I know people either don't want or can't afford both) and it's annoying to constantly read complaints on here about OPro not being able to do something it was never designed to do. Ok, maybe OPro should be able to export PDF now, but it certainly shouldn't be expected to produce a free-flow document like HTML or EPub particularly well (if at all). Surely, OPro is about 'control' which EPub certainly is not. I find using TW to produce a Word doc (old format is fine) which converts to Epub flawlessly. (In fact, Smashwords specify Word docs & converts them to other supported formats.) For a stress free life, choose the right tool for the job! ;) -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.co.uk/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk xemik.net - cost effective web hosting : http://xemik.net In this green society who needs Gates? To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 17 16:49:24 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SgHhD-2o0Vbs-04-8mq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:49:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SgHhD-2o0Vbs-04-8mq; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:47:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SgHhD-2o0Vbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:47:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SgHhB-0003O9-BY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:47:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2466CED5A79; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:47:19 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339948039; bh=9P6LlYutbpxtwDa7h9wWJzILiF9FMM9IeD+ajvig MX4=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=LCvC8Y skT6/4s2088IDtYUSNagQkjBCvUm1J40lSsEp8dpA0Xzix8+LZciq+//V6is6qVD9p3 XgxxOhCBqnWEcZ+6GezLO8zVSZyN4esXrFq789VE5JI9oT6vRbVBv1oDUmvOj187RQO l4gtUarkbYfELR+6Fce+Fe0R8uS41aU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3fYhk-U+D801; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE529ED56EC; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:47:05 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1339948038; bh=9P6LlYutbpxtwDa7h9wWJzILiF9FMM9IeD+ajvig MX4=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=n8lQhV vYM+wjyoqz0GL6f7rPOuzVD2creFAjyXi32YTyKp/YHcwYlEPf5MzYJLrLGCHfX0tzW w8sunIsjxGPaF/3dM5cOTs09dJcFVFUwTirgWoYFbIEGgFx11MkVZ06avXx9Z5Xs02V v34L+JjXtR/fY+glqU7JvHxh3nkAfE8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:47:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 938A2ED5A57 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:47:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1FC2YmXPZmVu for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94CB3ED56EC for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.107.117]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5HFkjAQ007838 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:46:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:35:38 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a14ecb28dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52A14484AC%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a0e82e0cdave@triffid.co.uk> <4807JNBQzb3PFwrH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <52A14484AC%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1306 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <52A14484AC%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: [Snippy] > Surely, OPro is about 'control' which EPub certainly is not. I find > using TW to produce a Word doc (old format is fine) which converts to > Epub flawlessly. (In fact, Smashwords specify Word docs & converts them > to other supported formats.) For a stress free life, choose the right > tool for the job! ;) You could well be right Mik, but there's a small fly in the ointment. Every single document I've ever constructed (Or converted way back from Publisher) is in Ovation Pro format which aside from third party PDF output has no where to go. AFAIK. There's no TW/EW loader that will import OvPro documents, so that suggestion is another dead end. Additionally, I've not found a single app on the PC side that can do anything useful with an OvPro DDL file. (No! Win OvPro doesn't count). If I was constructing the document from scratch with Epub in mind, I'd do it directly in Word, but I'm not... Similarly, if it's a text only OvPro document I could do as we already do and Copy/Paste into Word, but there's a lot of illos... With regard to the stress free... This weekend I've decided it's not worth the bother and as of 2:30 today abandoned the project. 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Mon, 18 Jun 2012 04:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 04:16:24 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52a11866b8dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <9342A72381D4451998647F896C571154@JOHN> <52a0e6f8badave@triffid.co.uk> <52a11866b8dave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1307 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Dave Symes wrote: >In article , > Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: >> I don't see why you keep ranting about the OPro aspect of this; once a >> document's a PDF it shouldn't matter how it got produced as one. > > The point is Jeremy, unlike many similar PC apps, Ovation Pro, as > excellent an app as it is, fails at the last hurdle, because, using a > third party application (Thanks Steve) it can only output one cross > platform file type. When you say "similar PC apps", do you mean other desktop publishing apps? Because if not - if for example you mean word processors - you're not comparing like with like. Really DTP is essentially a graphics layout process where the graphics are both images (proper) and the pictures of glyphs. I do think that your problem is at least in part that you're expecting a DTP package to export a structured document, which is not a very reasonable expectation. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 18 12:22:48 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SgXoI-12aGPo-04-9in.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:22:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SgXoI-12aGPo-04-9in; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:59:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SgXoI-12aGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:59:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SgXo1-0001MD-Q0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:59:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96D69ED5FB1; 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Mon, 18 Jun 2012 04:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 04:21:15 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Dave Symes wrote: >In article , > Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: >> Dave Symes wrote: > >> > We use Calibre and Sigil which are about the best apps for the job we >> > found during our research some while back. > >> When you send them a copy of one of your PDFs that doesn't convert >> properly, what do they say? > >Why would I send them a copy of a PDF? Why? Because you keep saying that PDFs (created from OvPro docs) don't get 'properly' converted to ePub docs. So I would think it would be sensible to send some examples of such PDFs to whoever supports the apps you use, so they can see if there's something they could fix in their converters to make them work better. > In the material available for the use of Calibre, the author notes there > are problems with using PDFs as the source materials, which are problems > in the PDFs not in Calibre. Well, surely that's not entirely true. It sounds like an excuse to me. After all, other software manages to display PDFs correctly. I googled yesterday for "pdf to epub" converters and quickly found two (and I should think there are more) which both advertised "guaranteed" 100% correct conversions. I wonder if they work? And if they don't whether their authors would look at examples that don't convert properly. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 18 14:36:59 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SgbvP-1bVVbs-04-E8C.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:36:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SgbvP-1bVVbs-04-E8C; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:23:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SgbvP-1bVVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:23:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SgbvO-0005BV-68 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:23:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B795ED6162; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:23:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340025801; bh=3Un15OatFJX8egR5aIpBuPm7uCbDhTRdDzmSDGl1 g7U=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=VpX3u3/EQRC9DbyJ2uUbWFPsWkaJfqfv28au6hXsQyR56Qa+sg Kcv0chAG/KjdP8rumvJgzDq/8S7vkKOhX8KekhVeJmtX/38wJF0i+M+X6WSsHIrswec o3hsHZAJXZN2IFjF9jzr/I3p1BXy3/tr9HfSJtD/ZxXIbiS05BVdRw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qVWOvIg5PAw7; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A31D7ED5B05; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:23:07 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340025800; bh=3Un15OatFJX8egR5aIpBuPm7uCbDhTRdDzmSDGl1 g7U=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=SvHaVuVCSFFkQPV6O1+D7te680kwbG5+a4Ce1hc3UHIt1971uK 5ltAwuJ3VZjXFEPx27P6k6fz/qgzosSeqR0BEfnBfS2uHvoWfQAQ0itg2o7fgFbCMh3 wle14FR1R4VYkw5KblJmPbTOXnAe/1Frju8hxALE6KyCnEXI04nbOI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:23:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7ACD0ED555F for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:23:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wd+AGyshB7-D for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3F06ED6142 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Sgbv7-0004LH-bR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:23:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:21:46 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1308 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, The originators of HTML had a great vision, a document that could be displayed on any device, from wrist watch to giant screen, but one where formatting was not fixed. Since then millions of man years of effort have gone into destroying this vision, using tables and so on to give a fixed format web pages. Mostly the people involved have known what they were doing (was wrong). However there's a lot more people who never got the original idea and can't see why a web page should look any different to how it does on their computer. Sometimes one sees people like that move from HTML to PDF. These days HTML has been extended to the point where one can produce fixed format web pages with DTP precision. Anyway maybe the comment about epub now supporting fixed layout offers some hope. Tiny curiosity, who uses epub why has it passed me by. More practically, there have been various Ovation Pro to HTML convertors, are we now saying they're all utterly useless - due respect to the authors but time goes by. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 18 19:49:48 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sggu2-3Qe000-02-99Z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:49:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sggu2-3Qe000-02-99Z; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:42:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sggu2-3Qe000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:42:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sggty-0003ev-HC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:42:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3381ED5C0D; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:42:12 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340044933; bh=Q961Je9NbXhxfWJ29IUaNht63vAG4vHAFdGDnl+1 foc=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=FA2C3ywx3f8mL30AJ+YxficVMqBOoOA3cfJ+MhG7 qmyrG9sI8bpGbhkrJ8uNJlJe3lW2nNVW36GmNISUC0bwYsL+MbPXqHo2+o45KThhCv4 ibMSAbvfQ04U76xGRV5VI7YAyacVs7Zcs0bmp7CqwznuYsbRSxcRrXWv0VjuoXCw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ey-TD+jlmOJW; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BC6EED5A7C; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:41:59 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340044932; bh=Q961Je9NbXhxfWJ29IUaNht63vAG4vHAFdGDnl+1 foc=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=O0cbM1lyuo9/1ON+TCba14icGf2xi+CQdNk5Xt7+ lYBEcz70H4Pnb0dQHdCep2CaC/UH+OLIxyXVjj7o3vR78NcFM3Th3y/05vkQpEOSsIe BBpGCUV2Vt2cKrKd6y3FRjBbWuHZEX2ubsOF8xyjZzbEFvXPYclfN+STKlH5d/Wk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:41:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A260ED5B22 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:41:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zy2qvQEii8Qg for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2779ED5A7C for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.107.117]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5IIfsXJ028184 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:41:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:36:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Age old problem Message-ID: <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1309 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: [Snippy] > Why? Because you keep saying that PDFs (created from OvPro docs) don't > get 'properly' converted to ePub docs. Well I would... OvPro is the app of choice I use to create documents... I'm hardly going to mention the documents I've NOT created in some other app I'm NOT using, am I? Also I tried an OvPro HTML filter and that also failed as it just gave me pages of drivel comprising do=9C#=B4 do=9C#=B4  I have also tried test PDFs created in other apps (Also on the PC) but the results are just as iffy. > So I would think it would be sensible to send some examples of such PDFs > to whoever supports the apps you use, so they can see if there's > something they could fix in their converters to make them work better. As of 2:30 Sunday last, I'm out of the action... So I don't know why I'm even replying. ;-) D. --=20 Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 18 20:19:49 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SghFq-2H0knw-01-8nl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 20:19:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SghFq-2H0knw-01-8nl; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:04:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SghFq-2H0knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:04:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SghFi-0000oj-Kq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:04:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D485AED621A; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:04:40 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340046280; bh=r6nLDjzAmqXkIgK9iZ243Xfn58YhResLF9WtBC52 img=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=JXqfjhXhvskWxGsZqdkPJHUcrL7e1Dw3zNG4bjB3 AO++jFOF5iYTUH08iRCbXs2nJBG5o7cT6Fc1RlF8zpvUHa9n0+2f3qEBeMJ8UrYlZrU M/FJ7a47p5eIHDscl84+cLJ3TTXcxxJfropflaAv8IHCJUjl858PCRBgUXh5oZX8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2gzUf7VJ9m1R; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BCD7ED5E0D; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:04:27 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340046280; bh=r6nLDjzAmqXkIgK9iZ243Xfn58YhResLF9WtBC52 img=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=JXqfjhXhvskWxGsZqdkPJHUcrL7e1Dw3zNG4bjB3 AO++jFOF5iYTUH08iRCbXs2nJBG5o7cT6Fc1RlF8zpvUHa9n0+2f3qEBeMJ8UrYlZrU M/FJ7a47p5eIHDscl84+cLJ3TTXcxxJfropflaAv8IHCJUjl858PCRBgUXh5oZX8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:04:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7647FED60BA for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:04:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bzeUbis72Jz7 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ismtp1.es.uci.edu (ismtp1.es.uci.edu [128.195.153.31]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24AEEED5E0D for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magnet.ps.uci.edu (magnet.ps.uci.edu [128.200.31.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by ismtp1.es.uci.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5IJ4PZI008616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:04:25 -0700 X-UCInetID: dennison Message-ID: <4FDF7BB9.3020901@uci.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:04:25 -0700 From: Philip Dennison User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-archive-position: 1310 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dennison@uci.edu Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 20120618 11:36, Dave Symes wrote: > In article, > Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists w= rote: > [Snippy] > >> Why? Because you keep saying that PDFs (created from OvPro docs) don'= t >> get 'properly' converted to ePub docs. > Well I would... OvPro is the app of choice I use to create documents... > I'm hardly going to mention the documents I've NOT created in some othe= r > app I'm NOT using, am I? > > Also I tried an OvPro HTML filter and that also failed as it just gave = me > pages of drivel comprising do=C5=93#=C2=B4=0B=04do=C5=93#=C2=B4=0B=04 > > I have also tried test PDFs created in other apps (Also on the PC) but = the > results are just as iffy. > >> So I would think it would be sensible to send some examples of such PD= Fs >> to whoever supports the apps you use, so they can see if there's >> something they could fix in their converters to make them work better. > As of 2:30 Sunday last, I'm out of the action... So I don't know why I'= m > even replying. ;-) > > D. > Acrobat Pro has the option to save a PDF as html. I tested a fairly=20 complex document, and the the main failing was with complicated diagrams. As others have stated, the main part of the process is effectively=20 OCRing the PDF, and it is possible that other applicatioons do a better=20 job of this than Calibre. For example, I routinely use a Windows program=20 to make bookmarks from a PDF, created on a Mac, which works by scanning=20 the document for specific fonts and sizes. Phil. 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Mon, 18 Jun 2012 17:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 22:38:28 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1311 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Dave Symes wrote: >In article , > Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: >[Snippy] > >> Why? Because you keep saying that PDFs (created from OvPro docs) don't >> get 'properly' converted to ePub docs. > > Well I would... OvPro is the app of choice I use to create documents... > I'm hardly going to mention the documents I've NOT created in some other > app I'm NOT using, am I? You've lost me. I simply assumed that one could take an OvPro document and 'print' it to produce a PDF which looks like the OvPro document would if it was printed in any other way. Having done that your problem is entirely in finding a PDF -> ePub converter that works properly. As I found two separate commercial products both claiming 100% accuracy in that process, I just don;t understand why you don't try them, and then if they fail, ask the companies concerned why 100% is ... less than that. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 19 12:01:31 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sgqqk-2YAGPo-01-GFt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:01:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sgqqk-2YAGPo-01-GFt; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 05:19:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sgqqk-2YAGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 05:19:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sgqqh-0003Hu-9A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 05:19:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2CB4ED6053; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:19:28 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340083169; bh=JzeNO+IuTe7bUs9YafzMgSgo9art1COyz+q6TnoI Vhw=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=F71BA9 ni35hLt+OPHHGZHMOALhyNwyr/IeJGrW/BbE0egsoOaLdLTUHvWXmW3yRpBe36PZRSM MfwQ57LeH6EozoPvesktdXhcmnSpaSEFXr2onRLR6msOE/vMosbKQASLefezNtEhytz mrbthxY7ogXHj3d1YIrlLt/uWJcQGgU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G8cI4NBeXV8P; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6BC6ED46C9; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:19:15 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340083168; bh=JzeNO+IuTe7bUs9YafzMgSgo9art1COyz+q6TnoI Vhw=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=MF5Qvx Ta0919V8DR8GCMu2FxLxnb9IOjgdqsESE2+G0bCSuTmRiC+/FQpRTcbYnz5BSpT69pY JmTmxvfumR0C1DZtDt9qqD8C/fbq3a9XI6IubIn5zTjSvhNp7yRmWHTrfwPqO+B/iN5 h9LtcSnJmvNanPOa+TIgsq95FyniirE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:19:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E3B6ED4F21 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:19:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LNDy-R-IzIzi for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE029ED46C9 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.107.117]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5J5J3Uw014331 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 06:19:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 06:19:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1312 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: [Snippy] > Having done that your problem is entirely in finding a PDF -> ePub > converter that works properly. As I found two separate commercial > products both claiming 100% accuracy in that process, I just don;t > understand why you don't try them, and then if they fail, ask the > companies concerned why 100% is ... less than that. > You've lost me. I simply assumed that one could take an OvPro document > and 'print' it to produce a PDF which looks like the OvPro document > would if it was printed in any other way. The problem is not producing the PDF from any source, it's what we are trying to do with it afterwards. But you make fair comment... As you note Jeremy there's a lot of converters out there, perhaps you'd be kind enough to write the names of the two app you've mentioned, so I can actually try them. We went through a lot of looking, testing etc at the end of last year (2011) and rejected a lot for a variety of reasons. I'd love to find a suitable PDF converter, it's much simpler than other routes... Names please! Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 19 14:16:13 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SgyAV-2Gwknw-03-8w8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:16:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SgyAV-2Gwknw-03-8w8; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:08:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SgyAV-2Gwknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:08:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SgyAR-0001RJ-Re for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:08:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C38B0ED66FA; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:08:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340111301; bh=R49U0PRJWkYljzbNJD5tG6x7yANRthghu4byHp65 cTo=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Pp5477iNIKgNALubYS67P3fEuoh6R5eVUKQi1aBiry+8W4/4kS lvmZJVSugeAB8oPsfy9oOEIFupGipBA8mxEGBKF6psx4TJLdsYh4JvUbSkLr7dzi46L B9+Lv9vohQ/nN17XpvIVX66IMGFB3Itu0l4ArRnFXQOxw7gjykactI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7HM3B5DUUfI1; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46328ED4F61; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:08:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340111301; bh=R49U0PRJWkYljzbNJD5tG6x7yANRthghu4byHp65 cTo=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Pp5477iNIKgNALubYS67P3fEuoh6R5eVUKQi1aBiry+8W4/4kS lvmZJVSugeAB8oPsfy9oOEIFupGipBA8mxEGBKF6psx4TJLdsYh4JvUbSkLr7dzi46L B9+Lv9vohQ/nN17XpvIVX66IMGFB3Itu0l4ArRnFXQOxw7gjykactI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:08:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E985ED4F7A for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:08:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bys5+oHmJmNV for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89E54ED4F61 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SgyAA-0006ny-nL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:08:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:07:18 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1313 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >> converter that works properly. As I found two separate commercial >> products both claiming 100% accuracy in that process, I just don;t Did anyone ever sell a hose pipe that was other than 'non-kinking'. Does highlight that accurate conversion must be an issue. Some must do better than others - different techniques. I guess you're using Martin's PS3 driver because the old Acorn PostScript driver output will not be a good starting point. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jun 21 17:11:44 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sh2Qu-471Vbs-03-DCF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:11:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sh2Qu-471Vbs-03-DCF; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:41:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sh2Qu-471Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:41:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sh2Qn-0005mr-9p for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:41:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BB42ED6815; 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Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:39:42 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1314 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Dave Symes wrote: >In article , > Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: >[Snippy] >> Having done that your problem is entirely in finding a PDF -> ePub >> converter that works properly. As I found two separate commercial >> products both claiming 100% accuracy in that process, I just don;t >> understand why you don't try them, and then if they fail, ask the >> companies concerned why 100% is ... less than that. > >> You've lost me. I simply assumed that one could take an OvPro document >> and 'print' it to produce a PDF which looks like the OvPro document >> would if it was printed in any other way. > >The problem is not producing the PDF from any source, it's what we are >trying to do with it afterwards. > >But you make fair comment... > >As you note Jeremy there's a lot of converters out there, perhaps you'd be >kind enough to write the names of the two app you've mentioned, so I can >actually try them. > >We went through a lot of looking, testing etc at the end of last year >(2011) and rejected a lot for a variety of reasons. > >I'd love to find a suitable PDF converter, it's much simpler than other >routes... > >Names please! Lots of sites seem to be resellers of the same thing. I can't tell which is which, or if things are open-source apps with a wrapper around them. This site claims accuracy: http://www.wondershare.net/ad/pdf-converter-win-landing.html? but there's not much sign of user support. Another (unless it's the same thing?) which makes impressive claims, and has a video which looks to me as if it is pretty good, is at: http://www.pdf-epub-converter.com/pdf-to-epub-converter.html I later found a tutorial which is for this same product, and might be the tutorial I saw last time. This is worth reading anyway I think: http://www.pdf-epub-converter.com/articles/how-to-convert-complex-pdf-to-epub-format.html Also see suggestions at: http://dellu.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/convert-pdf-to-epub-mobi-format-best-method/ There's also the expensive approach... http://www.reproindialtd.com/landing-pages/request-a-quote-ukebs.php Also see: http://www.piworld.com/article/pdf-epub-book-conversion-tools-score-low-accuracy-vigc-test/1 Bear in mind that using an app that needs intervention (eg the dongsoft) thing might be ok if only you had the time... Consider employing a student to do the tedious part. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jun 21 17:11:56 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sh5NV-2h4000-07-AFe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:11:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sh5NV-2h4000-07-AFe; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:50:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sh5NV-2h4000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:50:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sh5NT-0002vD-1f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:50:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3892AED6AED; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:50:17 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340139017; bh=4tbvFhHGJ+pxBmdHkD+nbKZOAnwJc7Gfv6ErBFBC qqE=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=D+v1WA e4bviyVDPut2bJNi3ILvRyxrhw6ZP+1jMX2kxAP/2P1IK4ANLXedrtgdDXnT5/MImVN fyaZTDMRaFIv9U2T2x6bMZ83nBBg7O0vv2KyprcnnWBbc6cx3qO7O0dOuvZPXO858dL BsRckY5Opiv4WF8ZKDj12/VWFomPaZg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qePeuCZU35sJ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92140ED6AB6; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:50:03 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340139016; bh=4tbvFhHGJ+pxBmdHkD+nbKZOAnwJc7Gfv6ErBFBC qqE=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=bGJdjU e723Ms8PChL2FbGDEWXz7Ofc9dE44zvIYuYy/nM3bOZUHClnT4hWRxmZTV9PiVrjd07 B0wSbkV8saozdC+Q/OFFXRCxB3ThzhC811VH7QsoLG10Hu3ZQ+MbqH+8QA4/M6EMc+p PXi/eQoC3f7V4QJS6UsBWNhJ0yy/jzw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:50:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 609C0ED6AB5 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:50:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p4IepBhgFwsA for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C12B0ED6AA4 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.107.117]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5JKnvsi016012 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:49:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:07:37 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a26f5de0dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1315 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >> converter that works properly. As I found two separate commercial > >> products both claiming 100% accuracy in that process, I just don;t > Did anyone ever sell a hose pipe that was other than 'non-kinking'. > Does highlight that accurate conversion must be an issue. Some must do > better than others - different techniques. > I guess you're using Martin's PS3 driver because the old Acorn > PostScript driver output will not be a good starting point. Why, does it work with PDFCreator out of Win OvPro? 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I can't tell > which is which, or if things are open-source apps with a wrapper around > them. This site claims accuracy: > http://www.wondershare.net/ad/pdf-converter-win-landing.html? > but there's not much sign of user support. > Another (unless it's the same thing?) which makes impressive claims, and > has a video which looks to me as if it is pretty good, is at: > http://www.pdf-epub-converter.com/pdf-to-epub-converter.html [Snippy] Thank you for the notes Jeremy. I downloaded, installed and tried the "Wondershare PDF Converter" and "PDF to Epub" converter (They are different apps BTW) with a few different PDF files, unfortunately, while they both did the conversions, they both, in slightly different ways rendered the Epub file badly. Assume a same PDF was tested on both, and with a few different files. Wondershare, rendered an Epub from PDF and took a correctly set out document and concatenated all the text into large blocks, additionally at each new line, the last word on the line and the first word on the next line were joined. Example: Last word on line is "... which First on next line is "may" The Epub has ... whichmay This is not an occasional error, but throughout the document. PDF to Epub converter, rendered the Epub exactly the same as it is rendered in Calibre (And a couple of other apps we tested earlier) in that the lines are broken at all sorts of strange places. 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Wed, 20 Jun 2012 04:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([109.176.200.74]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5K8FGXZ002047 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:15:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:15:00 +0100 Message-ID: <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1317 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: > [Snippy] > This is not an occasional error, but throughout the document. > PDF to Epub converter, rendered the Epub exactly the same as it is > rendered in Calibre (And a couple of other apps we tested earlier) in that > the lines are broken at all sorts of strange places. > Dave There's a vague recollection of a setting in OPro which causes it to output each letter separately - something to do with proportional spacing? This would make it more difficult for software to correctly interpret the PDF. I've just had a quick look before I have to go out - and I can't find it. 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Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:37:42 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1318 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Dave Symes wrote: > PDF to Epub converter, rendered the Epub exactly the same as it is > rendered in Calibre (And a couple of other apps we tested earlier) in that > the lines are broken at all sorts of strange places. One can't help but wonder if the commercial products use the open-source app under the covers. So, have you sent an example file to the vendor asking if they can fix the problem? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jun 21 17:13:51 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SheES-2pE000-08-9Ul.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:13:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SheES-2pE000-08-9Ul; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:03:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SheES-2pE000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:03:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SheEQ-0007bP-Mo for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:03:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8A23ED6FF2; 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Thu, 21 Jun 2012 06:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E614ED6FF4 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 06:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([82.153.119.82]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5LA2fC0025608 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:02:41 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:02:48 +0100 Message-ID: <5faa3fa352.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1319 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > In message <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> > Dave Symes wrote: >> In article , >> Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: >> [Snippy] > >> This is not an occasional error, but throughout the document. >> PDF to Epub converter, rendered the Epub exactly the same as it is >> rendered in Calibre (And a couple of other apps we tested earlier) in that >> the lines are broken at all sorts of strange places. >> Dave > There's a vague recollection of a setting in OPro which causes it to > output each letter separately - something to do with proportional > spacing? > This would make it more difficult for software to correctly interpret > the PDF. > I've just had a quick look before I have to go out - and I can't find > it. Sorry. Just remembered - the setting I am thinking of is "enhanced justification", under "text" - "format". -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jun 21 17:26:32 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ShkA5-0xDVbs-04-C5e.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:26:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ShkA5-0xDVbs-04-C5e; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:23:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ShkA5-0xDVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:23:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ShkA2-0004JK-2L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:23:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F41CBED7456; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:23:05 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340295786; bh=3eeHtjxh0GkMZF8SFaF/1lAf9URRo63WuN9otyYC jKs=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=qJsxSPIb0tTZ9XMEOFEJkY4fYmtuL/iSADIh/GvIp5LmFB/CWu ZlPhPh+UMIvDi2BG9oXTgoD26UuE6Hqt1OHAhB/FD8F/FXi7SUklz++gNZ4S/94jL7r SlA4XFFPXcjYrWhAEVg+9OfkwKu7vcq56hqdqNz0PPM6+F+dv8iAAU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wE2vL1JkQPKs; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C24FED7395; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:22:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340295785; bh=3eeHtjxh0GkMZF8SFaF/1lAf9URRo63WuN9otyYC jKs=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=UgLosUpEpVqdbPlFbYc/mpx3/ySOU0XiZJy5BycEilUd51Tjn9 uof+1b8CZosMBNJ46zYJPN+fJjAuHlrb7lUnQoaXCcnXCNS9X2phwUktYGeiUnZzhPO 8X3bh9n7iHjEiSKfqWXQlubBRDCTFnEnV4XVIPffGjIqT3XmuM49fg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:22:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53A8EED739B for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:22:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LKlnkBOi7OlY for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDB39ED7395 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Shk9F-0006dP-eo for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:22:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:20:56 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1320 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk>, Alan Adams writes >There's a vague recollection of a setting in OPro which causes it to >output each letter separately - something to do with proportional >spacing? Tracking aka manual kerning will have the same effect. Once again we're in the land of OCR'ing PDFs which is a dubious activity. Sorry for my comment about Martin's PS3 driver - obviously I was confused. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 24 12:21:26 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SigqS-4BLknw-02-D4t.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:21:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SigqS-4BLknw-02-D4t; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:02:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SigqS-4BLknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:02:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SigqP-00057K-AI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 07:02:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D25FED7420; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 03:02:46 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340521366; bh=/xoUpgdR5BCx2yYZCc8C5o1UYo86b2dSbGP0V3QJ /CQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=VqJTLz XFxkKpD67CzB/Q2/WfmUuG91Ck58SR88RYrzRZQAG2CyCUZ/nBroi7ZcADSlYerwuHo wI2OHtFwxRt2htFOQpEeHWy3LPLtZ7xmBcpL8sPaeXWLkrhDRiHuN0G20RcbA4bNcU7 u5wJFOPMbBHGR0CRGE27Ho0/iWNx91M= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id naNkAeRwToAp; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 03:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A10D3ED7345; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 03:02:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340521365; bh=/xoUpgdR5BCx2yYZCc8C5o1UYo86b2dSbGP0V3QJ /CQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=f2XLfw FKT/46xKIuJFm6Lbzz4k2Wl0qicpnLEWGHUEKfXmgDQNKr1pGcRjeNr1OS1QctclTjb KUNYRZnHiNpRGBa9gQuFaaDkMUyJHs8iuY1BWjA6DHuu4PpPzx7GVC+0V6xoPdyNN9q oODDowAgpHrk7IxzZXVHgDf4oT0svbY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 03:02:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70BAFED7392 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 03:02:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WfdL539STVrP for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 03:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC13AED7345 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 03:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([109.176.225.149]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5O72IYf021359 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:02:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:02:37 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1321 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk>, Alan Adams wrote: > There's a vague recollection of a setting in OPro which causes it to > output each letter separately - something to do with proportional > spacing? > This would make it more difficult for software to correctly interpret > the PDF. Okay, so rather than use OvPro as the originator of the documents, as a tester I've manually re-created a couple of document parts in Imp Publisher, then using Steve's "PrintPDF" created a pdf of them. Taken to PC and run through the two recent installs of PDF > Epub apps and despite a couple of runs each, with different setting, all outputs of Epub are not satisfactory, so the problem is not specifically down to OvPro. If I can find more time to waste, I'll try the re-creation and PDF from some other apps. That said I don't have many goes left on the PDF > Epub demo apps. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 24 12:21:28 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SiiIW-0ax000-06-Bcp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:21:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SiiIW-0ax000-06-Bcp; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:35:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SiiIW-0ax000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:35:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SiiIV-0003Nl-Ie for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:35:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B092ED5C72; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 04:35:54 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340526954; bh=qk6gF/AyUNreKXzPrtCyQKID7nhVywx+8VqsHxDV 8lc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=wPY8aMw1GdLST6ckW8gCuTmp5RIK2xh/bZOEC+Wxo9TW7YPToO qE021FTlaJdv7mBlDjk/Cy37MS3jINthh906ATOlRsperWA4PjENFBryqOeFE7YPQ6M 6X2SfJZA3VIulLOGojI5UBS0vx9QdXBFW/nafvgLiGmGw0MszqruTQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3z7sz4eYTuwA; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 04:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1233ED58EC; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 04:35:40 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340526953; bh=qk6gF/AyUNreKXzPrtCyQKID7nhVywx+8VqsHxDV 8lc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=EJiOSZLFuvLV0Vtfj1PBqO2eh6NTf1UUNaCAM7s7Qydq3xuQ+c 8Jic9jcd4isVecWFlqsiEUwuFk7h3xBU3o69Xj1wDllBw29sXrAzPN2hbzlctnGztMg PswUcPgaBkkwgjQZEnSOq37p6BQL0inht/Q4FAKnABS+5o6mpv9et8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 04:35:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38A20ED58C7 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 04:35:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lv2djKiIM0Qu for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 04:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0D8AED57C8 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 04:35:39 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,466,1336345200"; d="scan'208";a="632351225" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 24 Jun 2012 09:35:37 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A849A00E for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:35:37 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:35:36 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52a26f5de0dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a26f5de0dave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.69.2.3801 (Qt/4.7.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1322 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 19 Jun, Dave Symes wrote in message <52a26f5de0dave@triffid.co.uk>: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > > Does highlight that accurate conversion must be an issue. Some must do > > better than others - different techniques. > > > I guess you're using Martin's PS3 driver because the old Acorn > > PostScript driver output will not be a good starting point. > > Why, does it work with PDFCreator out of Win OvPro? It **might** work better, and is **unlikely** to work worse. It really depends on where the problem lies: if it's the e-pub converter assuming that the contents of the PDF arrives in a meaningful order, then I think you're probably doomed to failure unless you use the same route to PDF that its author did while testing. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 24 12:21:32 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sik54-0Qe000-01-9qH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:21:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sik54-0Qe000-01-9qH; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:30:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sik54-0Qe000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:30:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sik4u-0004PZ-4V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:30:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADB6FED64E1; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:29:57 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340533797; bh=7xjcQumCJzOYJYcDGVK6swtZCEGv0ub5vjNOMi7H TJc=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=J34rKB gJG6bLvQvgjy6+G+hcKFew9AdEXzGL13DjWGb3s2GpavCsinunPMZfsTUOEjWso5eEB br+WWMrIrbkfHwmqTu08RB1uOd4okAtcDpgG7dvTqeT7r3vbotG00u4uSnHNTT3eFUB rxN7EO4XYBusmH7b7Fw1uSfOaRcw2Rs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AiLZ+G0jYjr4; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32AFCED5ACB; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:29:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340533796; bh=7xjcQumCJzOYJYcDGVK6swtZCEGv0ub5vjNOMi7H TJc=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=eZdyov nOOs++45Fos3v1jh8sukKbj88blGrEZ6KRdOi4+zCfF3AIbZl8UAZy0GmT2cimuSciI Pvh1dAsOeRAKp5MAUetkp7UxvAzYlHa5uGDLA0utBQ7ZhyRBLWl7JtqylPZ/qJY2psn x/W+ukENJDgvo1IlScog/15kHc7sN4I= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:29:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1AB6ED64E1 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:29:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fmn49kUAwr3G for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1EEE4ED5ACB for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.33.62]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5OATQJm026859 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:29:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:27:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a4cd676cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <52a0da3948dave@triffid.co.uk> <767BE4AC-4890-4C45-A855-2532EF080008@ed.ac.uk> <52a0e3e8b7dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a26f5de0dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1323 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 19 Jun, Dave Symes wrote in message > <52a26f5de0dave@triffid.co.uk>: > > In article , > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > Does highlight that accurate conversion must be an issue. Some must > > > do better than others - different techniques. > > > > > I guess you're using Martin's PS3 driver because the old Acorn > > > PostScript driver output will not be a good starting point. > > > > Why, does it work with PDFCreator out of Win OvPro? > It **might** work better, and is **unlikely** to work worse. It really > depends on where the problem lies: if it's the e-pub converter assuming > that the contents of the PDF arrives in a meaningful order, then I think > you're probably doomed to failure unless you use the same route to PDF > that its author did while testing. My testing with variously created documents... Then PDFs created with various creators, both here on RO (Yours) and a couple on the PC, then processed through various PDF > Epub converters, *all* variously mess up the output. Not a single one gets it right, whereas taking the route Fay now uses, the HTML into Calibre (Or similar) and the conversion is, she say 100 percent. Personally, I say 99.9 percent. With regard to the PS3 driver question, which I didn't really answer before. If you have a Power PC and PDFCreator available, large documents, and some of Fay's things are 100 pages plus, can be converted in a very short time, but using these old slow SARPCs as much as we love them, to do large scale conversions really is a waste of time, so we just use Steve's app to do small conversions, and the PC to do the biggies. Thus, I've not updated from the PS2 to PS3 driver. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 24 12:21:33 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SikNW-0BLknw-05-9Xp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 12:21:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SikNW-0BLknw-05-9Xp; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:49:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SikNW-0BLknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:49:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SikNJ-0001h0-GZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:49:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2170AED7374; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:48:54 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340534934; bh=LlWZSDR3RHkTRlFs/9g/LKpsLWC3Ki2/tE710Pj8 LXM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=G3bxXuB2+h0lYLy2btVbaAGEYs7x2 /6TvLPZLTWPSFjCMBcwy1LmcvODLzpr8OzDzaZMN2XEg0dNlzP9F8i8zMwQlJmvLkpj toa0iDuuzypCXfj8zGaC+PLPran2h5DqUmLS33PvP43GbPMtHSHcY0XsdK7JPGWX1OT GwLkwALs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B3-WZSLK0Hwt; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D62F4ED7434; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:48:40 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340534933; bh=LlWZSDR3RHkTRlFs/9g/LKpsLWC3Ki2/tE710Pj8 LXM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=SEDnd5RXnCStqUYngx5pTCrqFRt97 sKB3PM7dGtRTeP69Ll17PI0s9puidX219zdADnlu2YvxzKdwzazJwpxUiCcDRVEiwF1 wSqZ9bmEwdz3gtILgIwO5RQ9Ah2HMVvcAmS+/Z2KUUEQQmnVSVHev5vRFglTq2MOIN8 86yXLVyU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:48:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45EC1ED7306 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:48:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y+5aolfe8-kQ for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avasout03.plus.net (avasout03.plus.net [84.93.230.244]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D4ACED729D for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from standalone.xemik.com ([87.115.196.238]) by avasout03 with smtp id SAoc1j005595cfr01AoefC; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:48:38 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Ja0+XD2V c=1 sm=1 a=Gzx6pvNz/bcOYG2TQx5s5Q==:17 a=OCiQeCWRWeAA:10 a=wdYxGRYizfAA:10 a=Vvy1_FAz6tQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=aWJfat-lAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=R2OTYkJWAAAA:8 a=YLs-sxLQAAAA:8 a=bKMCzSZhAAAA:8 a=HL-b37zMRmYy0w8UcFYA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=EcQXcao8HCYA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=FeDn5ByjUKUA:10 a=I6MapzHXVx1a7453:21 a=VAqmZ2bNnmNAoZZe:21 a=Gzx6pvNz/bcOYG2TQx5s5Q==:117 X-AUTH: xemik:2500 Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:46:48 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 6.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1324 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mik.towse@xemik.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk>, > Alan Adams wrote: [snip] > > This would make it more difficult for software to correctly interpret= =20 > > the PDF. > Okay, so rather than use OvPro as the originator of the documents, as a= > tester I've manually re-created a couple of document parts in Imp > Publisher, then using Steve's "PrintPDF" created a pdf of them. >=20 > Taken to PC and run through the two recent installs of PDF > Epub apps = and > despite a couple of runs each, with different setting, all outputs of E= pub > are not satisfactory, so the problem is not specifically down to OvPro.= [snip] Well, that's=A0hardly a surprise since you've merely replaced one structu= red document program for another. You need to create your file in a 'linear program', which is why, as you stated elsewhere, HTML documents work well= . --=20 Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.co.uk/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk xemik.net - cost effective web hosting : http://xemik.net Love: Temporary insanity curable by marriage. Ambrose Bierce To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 24 16:21:13 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SioWE-3dcVbs-06-Dvd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:21:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SioWE-3dcVbs-06-Dvd; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:14:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SioWE-3dcVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:14:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SioW4-0003T6-90 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:14:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8157EED793D; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:12:59 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340550779; bh=MYOFDMR/i4i0iOqPjVrA2RerMwwERf/UjKlq85XP JgU=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=hDXw1mSbXjUlPCm7+JMX0QiPV0DmWRNDGjHzt4nB 9PZVTLy8LDxHCDH9YIcdCa5ZY8Nb3aUL5Stynm82DtTFhmkuvUKDKybdBu6Q5qKbj/S vKB/oosZfVXmOmgetM/C7IkWOgcwNpjMMqmcyeszLVZ+AFziiRXSWhiia8fjXp7c= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ufKrtn-BXtTy; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 427E6ED70BE; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:12:46 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340550778; bh=MYOFDMR/i4i0iOqPjVrA2RerMwwERf/UjKlq85XP JgU=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=P1smrG39gmuR5/E0azbhLyAejuRa8WVQAx3pKBKG H8nLA4oI6z7xdRxd1lyWZrKpTD2uug9rKOpdlm1QA6GYAl2lofxvgS8i70p6/lOyKaN GHdtpbtfX932xCpym9vlL/pwdudd3bLIDCsXABlxOpNUCBm20y0m4UWJ/MOf7PvI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:12:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EAE3ED793D for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:12:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yicia7KTwv3c for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6201CED70BE for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.33.62]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5OFCHWf001902 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:12:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:08:04 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1325 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: [Snippy] > Well, that's hardly a surprise since you've merely replaced one > structured document program for another. You need to create your file in > a 'linear program', which is why, as you stated elsewhere, HTML > documents work well. I can't speak for my other half, but as I've noted before there is no room in my existence for a mere Word Processor, I have better things to do with my life... [Snip additional] I've done enough testing and farting about on this subject, so back to the beginning... If OvPro could export in other formats, other than only output OvPro format, the documents could be used elsewhere as well. As to what that export format should be, who knows? I'm done... Bye-bye for the time being. D. --=20 Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 24 18:35:22 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SiqfS-1dVVbs-02-BmP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:35:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SiqfS-1dVVbs-02-BmP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:32:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SiqfS-1dVVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:32:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SiqfN-0002Z9-UX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 17:32:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EA40ED7849; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:32:01 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340559121; bh=P8WYSBK/gopH1TNDeISXhjDQb6uD24iJxAfvX6Ye VII=; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Kjvyn6fSAiNWLX33K6MMtya/1sj1L slFwfTotjbVt2JhC//yIG0sgET3ORsvBIZYq9x4XC3Uk5aViVQcWVweyirozkVqDx9M cvHdXx3cy0act5+af4E6h+pjclXGQ/qdWM9Xi00tjZ3yVprnjNtuQcbqjX+0Zpfm2pN hbeL6bZg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5sIrKcKVZCXI; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12E40ED5B1D; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:31:46 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340559118; bh=P8WYSBK/gopH1TNDeISXhjDQb6uD24iJxAfvX6Ye VII=; h=Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=SmKDhcTZ0N1QBf9aQwpuOToGSryEJ QsrlzMUVfgM9aeuKje5Jdc3gYrMz5fxyhUuTjyQ7iuEsQW/vZSGCT1YDg6g0RrNF7Ir aD6ykNnf2rKh9eUNLcEYIZPO1rtV701zAuueRHris4LZIoWVhO9gynQdyXGRM/NnhbY Nq4skB90= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:31:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C851BED78A9 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:31:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I+Mjr1x16Fmj for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DD73ED7895 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk (blake.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.204]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5OHVhQa005642 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:31:43 +0100 Received: from 37.152.244.246 (SquirrelMail authenticated user de11) by webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:31:17 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <50836.37.152.244.246.1340559077.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:31:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem From: "Dave Lawton" To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 1326 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@etcsystems.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On a slightly different tack. Dave, can I ask what platform you are targeting please ? --=20 Regards, Dave Lawton HTML emails are just a security risk, and nobody needs that. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 24 21:04:16 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sisph-49A000-06-9cA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:04:16 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sisph-49A000-06-9cA; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:50:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sisph-49A000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:50:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sispc-0007NG-QZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:50:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0212DED688B; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:50:42 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340567442; bh=Vc5us6Iu+poHGQ64iB+N17RdPsK9jPBu1Pn1DFCU ul0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=wERoL6 2qp+p9FPFaYJzrRUvzABi2JlH8Ictvm9AGAmWdNdAbokLmoGP1Wc1NGi7cglzjFTWiL LOiikn+esegM6DLL7zACfzcLo9Fe+b7rdQk+8zdydFW/AzEHwCjx/yK9pQ97edtppKB lBayaRjFUzoiJbdRYwy8y8R0b0yqEUA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PUHmSHl4uilB; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4067ED61A8; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:50:28 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340567441; bh=Vc5us6Iu+poHGQ64iB+N17RdPsK9jPBu1Pn1DFCU ul0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=BHmlMp mgKXeplkPheGN3MmnzF8a05tjKZsDDlMSfr5rOauSa6UkGP2M9Oa9N/H7EWNUlGo0F6 BmdD8HFMo/w4t2rpyhhJVMKb3s9XdrkBqxR9FMA25n4OojafO3penZggOauF+GX/2Og 3Hko42jVy3a9DeS9dyCUUynaRzPaivQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:50:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 87AE9ED67ED for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:50:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id izbTGpfLU2iP for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF20BED61A8 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.33.62]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5OJoMFH009335 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:50:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:49:32 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a500e3dddave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50836.37.152.244.246.1340559077.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> References: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> <50836.37.152.244.246.1340559077.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1327 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <50836.37.152.244.246.1340559077.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk>, Dave Lawton wrote: > On a slightly different tack. > Dave, can I ask what platform you are targeting please ? How do you mean, I'm not targeting any platform as such... Windows, Linux (yuk) or even RISC OS? For all I know it could be platform 2 at Bournemouth Central railway station, it's the upline to Waterloo y'know. If you mean what Ebook reader; Fay has a Kobo, and as per usual I'm tasked with sorting out the computer and associated problems. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jun 24 21:04:18 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SissF-4HHVbs-03-9Zc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:04:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SissF-4HHVbs-03-9Zc; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:53:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SissF-4HHVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:53:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Siss9-0006L6-50 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:53:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B37ABED6A8F; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:53:22 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340567602; bh=fp1rOdbKcNKwApWkAMGqaKtsoOt8m9HQBjgYYfTD AA4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=inupYU+brjExURqTV8qccK1I8ciUh yzjg0rdCWj2tf4PTUFYA2O5IVq+OX8Ern3GmKPiXBDB6oCY6RhWlEZz2LdLVK3jC3ho 3kFzq0bBd8KuefzIxy5gCgWJmHBNDrFQ7U/qM0UkhB95l9EFDlvrOHNGO0Qyc+VirUI N98I1zxY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9ibx3TM2fP+A; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 487ACED6676; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:53:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340567601; bh=fp1rOdbKcNKwApWkAMGqaKtsoOt8m9HQBjgYYfTD AA4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=KsAH9jHvk2oE6U13yNF3QxvFNCpGi tI0tK+yRaylskRUCzdVGnEZ5qy2TXvOOZzvFdIjY6MXE8CfZbSv1odeUjZAluffvNyN XjMBo2VTIofj0ypjYB2UGbvhBzOrh/UenERxxkGtrvuVO4+48qA6YfoGI9l6SFBOnvN sXivkkA8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:53:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07636ED69C0 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:53:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FmXv2Jqqxj9H for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avasout03.plus.net (avasout03.plus.net [84.93.230.244]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68CA0ED6676 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from standalone.xemik.com ([87.115.196.238]) by avasout03 with smtp id SKt41j009595cfr01Kt692; Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:53:07 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Ja0+XD2V c=1 sm=1 a=Gzx6pvNz/bcOYG2TQx5s5Q==:17 a=OCiQeCWRWeAA:10 a=wdYxGRYizfAA:10 a=Vvy1_FAz6tQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=aWJfat-lAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=R2OTYkJWAAAA:8 a=YLs-sxLQAAAA:8 a=bKMCzSZhAAAA:8 a=2deQnc_2mJZ2jvDKad8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=EcQXcao8HCYA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=FeDn5ByjUKUA:10 a=F7LWxK9JABBN7EtA:21 a=cSciVYxC1_RWBQxU:21 a=Gzx6pvNz/bcOYG2TQx5s5Q==:117 X-AUTH: xemik:2500 Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:39:05 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52A4FFEEE9%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 6.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1328 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mik.towse@xemik.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com>, > Mik Towse wrote: > [Snippy] > > Well, that's hardly a surprise since you've merely replaced one > > structured document program for another. You need to create your file= in > > a 'linear program', which is why, as you stated elsewhere, HTML > > documents work well. > I can't speak for my other half, but as I've noted before there is no r= oom > in my existence for a mere Word Processor, I have better things to do w= ith > my life... Like wasting it trying to get Opro to do something it's not designed to do?=A0;) But to be honest, there are two issues here. The first, is that Epub is n= ot a structured format, so you're wasting your time trying to get DTP software= to produce Epub friendly documents... > [Snip additional] >=20 > I've done enough testing and farting about on this subject, so back to = the > beginning... If OvPro could export in other formats, other than only > output OvPro format, the documents could be used elsewhere as well. > As to what that export format should be, who knows? ..and the second, OPro not exporting in more 'acceptable' formats. Personally, I think it /should/ be able to export as PDF, but it may well= be able to do this using the latest printer driver. However, these are two distinct issues. If you don't wish to use the appropriate tool to produce Epub friendly documents, that's up to you, bu= t it's=A0unfair to criticise OPro for this. --=20 Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.co.uk/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk xemik.net - cost effective web hosting : http://xemik.net An autobiography is an obituary in serial form with the last instalment missing. Quentin Crisp To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 25 12:13:21 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sj2Qs-1Tr000-04-8XV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 12:13:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sj2Qs-1Tr000-04-8XV; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 06:05:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sj2Qs-1Tr000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 06:05:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sj2Qj-0006mq-Dq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 06:05:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13042ED5D47; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:05:43 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340604343; bh=PMlYefiV9ubupUSaK5EnQ1ezBGO5scqETCphnDlo JLo=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=u9XZlYO4A0LCbnF1RNszpAdA+8pH/1GiILqQjT3H whuO28xj7WwAeAIEp0dm9IHbfLnYV6WjTeAT+EHUpmsZws12DWM/UKBaoYIpUey/rxv j9bTvB+k1PAbkdAOyHLn1JTgCtdqCKFn3Upd8m0GvokbXn7BJfFqOH5NX7htR2a4= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6L-niy3MUDAB; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0EE7ED54B0; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:05:29 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340604342; bh=PMlYefiV9ubupUSaK5EnQ1ezBGO5scqETCphnDlo JLo=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=GFSJ0I3t3XGyv6tjKukWH8gcHsc66cLsRpOMlLxG 9QJfLGHZSMz8olINjQC6FhOXvRSo3Zn5U7acLwHIuKersxBptWGaxGsxCp5Yp3MSdfZ yPpBTokQtGH5YubJn/etGf0zYZysy+dhBuX6Ye7j5/q0K3J/Ny+Vhd4vrp00JP4c= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:05:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C870ED5516 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:05:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JzoFgNAGmrxJ for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2471AED5546 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.33.62]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5P65Gvn025432 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 07:05:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 07:02:22 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a538ff12dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52A4FFEEE9%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4FFEEE9%mik.towse@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1329 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <52A4FFEEE9%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: [Snippy] > ..and the second, OPro not exporting in more 'acceptable' formats. > Personally, I think it /should/ be able to export as PDF, but it may > well be able to do this using the latest printer driver. OvPro itself can't export as PDF, but like like any app that has a Print facility, OvPro, Eureka etc, etc, it can Print to PDF. This is no help as it's now proven, to our satisfaction, PDFs do not convert well to Epubs. > However, these are two distinct issues. If you don't wish to use the > appropriate tool to produce Epub friendly documents, that's up to you, > but it's unfair to criticise OPro for this. No, there's only one issue. It's not a case of wishes, every single document I have is in OvPro format, I've been using it since it first arrived... You are all still missing THE point it's mostly about. I am not creating new documents, these are all old documents and wanting to do something else with them. If I was creating a new document *now* for the purpose in hand, I'd not bother with all this RO ****, but go straight to a PC app that'll do the business without any additional aggravation. That *is* what we do now with new documents, for as much as I dislike Word... We can Export straight out of Word and into Calibre (I say 99.9 percent she says 100 percent accurate). Dave FWIW. I still prefer, and do use OvPro for all my business documents, it's a most excellent app, it's just unfortunate that in the export area it's so lacking. D. --=20 Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 25 12:13:48 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sj5Xm-3umVbs-04-Dx7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 12:13:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sj5Xm-3umVbs-04-Dx7; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:25:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sj5Xm-3umVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:25:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sj5Xf-0001wR-7t for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:25:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FBCCED6D85; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 05:25:05 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340616305; bh=TdmFQ+AfGQdHYlBm7XjRqWL/UmYrbJ1ZHtQ8gSLM Tcc=; h=References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Subject: From:Date:To:Message-ID:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=g/b+bh kht+V3nUQlLSxbd0A8caFinirVWeHuRvl/LQpVJucBhGrw3s5RGnVGLOq4Z87Sb3Bdp enOwq9MRpGVeddjtWiAMcyTKhuwI6h3nn0Fxb8wU0shfkkB/P7uoBTwusUPMPoEvs1E a0VrPuUUO+1nJj1SR+GNduWwDIATHLo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C4l-FVvegLUN; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 05:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94777ED69D9; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 05:24:51 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340616304; bh=TdmFQ+AfGQdHYlBm7XjRqWL/UmYrbJ1ZHtQ8gSLM Tcc=; h=References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Subject: From:Date:To:Message-ID:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=EPqTIS QgvxztdxBKVuEIrZ0ujS4JdcoLBB7OYwO+T77LywWXTrCPNpUedr83oUTTojZ98rLcK IH1WCroEzr7S3/UsjfsnMhBWS8VfuVFgGoxDUGuHyu3JqmfjVbFQw6dokTpNYTy84vo Rwo8rXtaSHHZTgCx3aP1qYArARmoSb4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Jun 2012 05:24:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E51FED6D7F for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 05:24:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BGodykzskokL for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 05:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsub2.hostvue.com (mailsub2.hostvue.com [195.26.90.72]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48E38ED69D9 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 05:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m121-202-132-144.smartone.com ([121.202.132.144] helo=[10.88.100.16]) by mailsub2.hostvue.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sj5XF-0008Vq-Sz for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 10:24:44 +0100 References: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4FFEEE9%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a538ff12dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <52a538ff12dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----75FDOXO0N2I4L9195UVIMEUV8ASNK2" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem From: David Graddol Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:23:53 +0800 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <2958137b-e547-43c6-9577-94f488b4fde8@email.android.com> X-archive-position: 1330 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@english.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling ------75FDOXO0N2I4L9195UVIMEUV8ASNK2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The problem, as several people have alluded to, is epub itself which largel= y seems to be a drm wrapper. I have the same problems exporting to epub fro= m adobe indesign - even though epub is an adobe monstrosity. -- Sent fro= m my Android phone Dave Symes wrote: In article <52A= 4FFEEE9%mik.towse@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: [Snip= py] > ..and the second, OPro not exporting in more 'acceptable' formats. > = Personally, I think it /should/ be able to export as PDF, but it may > well= be able to do this using the latest printer driver. OvPro itself can't ex= port as PDF, but like like any app that has a Print facility, OvPro, Eureka= etc, etc, it can Print to PDF. This is no help as it's now proven, to our = satisfaction, PDFs do not convert well to Epubs. > However, these are two = distinct issues. If you don't wish to use the > appropriate tool to produce= Epub friendly documents, that's up to you, > but it's unfair to criticise = OPro for this. No, there's only one issue. It's not a case of wishes, ever= y single document I have is in OvPro format, I've been using it since it fi= rst arrived... You are all still missing THE point it's mostly about. I a= m not creating new documents, these are all old documents and wanting to do= something else with them. If I was creating a new document *now* for the = purpose in hand, I'd not bother with all this RO ****, but go straight to a= PC app that'll do the business without any additional aggravation. That *= is* what we do now with new documents, for as much as I dislike Word... We = can Export straight out of Word and into Calibre (I say 99.9 percent she sa= ys 100 percent accurate). Dave FWIW. I still prefer, and do use OvPro for= all my business documents, it's a most excellent app, it's just unfortunat= e that in the export area it's so lacking. D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubs= cribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling ------75FDOXO0N2I4L9195UVIMEUV8ASNK2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The problem, as several people have alluded to, is= epub itself which largely seems to be a drm wrapper. I have the same probl= ems exporting to epub from adobe indesign - even though epub is an adobe mo= nstrosity.

--
Sent from my Android phone

Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
In article <52A4FF=
EEE9%mik.towse@xemik.com>,
   Mik Towse <mik.towse@xemik.com>=
 wrote:

[Snippy]
> ..and the second, OPro not exporting =
in more 'acceptable' formats.
> Personally, I think it /should/ be =
able to export as PDF, but it may
> well be able to do this using t=
he latest printer driver.

OvPro itself can't export as PDF, but =
like like any app that has a Print
facility, OvPro, Eureka etc, etc, i=
t can Print to PDF.
This is no help as it's now proven, to our satisfa=
ction, PDFs do not
convert well to Epubs.

> However, the=
se are two distinct issues. If you don't wish to use the
> appropri=
ate tool to produce Epub friendly documents, that's up to you,
> bu=
t it's unfair to criticise OPro for this.

No, there's only one i=
ssue.
It's not a case of wishes, every single document I have is in Ov=
Pro
format, I've been using it since it first arrived...

Yo=
u are all still missing THE point it's mostly about.

I am not cr=
eating new documents, these are all old documents and wanting
to do so=
mething else with them.

If I was creating a new document *now* f=
or the purpose in hand, I'd not
bother with all this RO ****, but go s=
traight to a PC app that'll do the
business without any additional agg=
ravation.

That *is* what we do now with new documents, for as mu=
ch as I dislike
Word... We can Export straight out of Word and into Ca=
libre (I say 99.9
percent she says 100 percent accurate).

D=
ave

FWIW. I still prefer, and do use OvPro for all my business d=
ocuments, it's
a most excellent app, it's just unfortunate that in the=
 export area it's
so lacking.

D.

-- 

=
Dave Triffid
To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling<=
/a>
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25 Jun 2012 07:59:15 -0700 PDT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan Dawes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:59:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a56a27a7alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52a538ff12dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4FFEEE9%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a538ff12dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1331 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 25 Jun, Dave Symes wrote: > That *is* what we do now with new documents, for as much as I dislike > Word... We can Export straight out of Word and into Calibre (I say 99.9 > percent she says 100 percent accurate). So have you tried importing the pdf into word, editing as necessary, save as a word doc and then export this into calibre to do the conversion to epub? There are several ways of importing pdfs into word eg see: http://www.simpopdf.com/guide/how-to-import-pdf-to-word-document.html with a free converter now available for the 2nd method from http://www.ultimatepdfconverter.com/gb/si/?adnm=13434598365&i=s&grid=A&lg=EN&cc=GB&clg=en&c=1&d=1&cid=_54622287&kw=&mn=www.pdftowordconverter.net&Network=D&expr=&agid=_5847892143 If you are using Open Office, SUN have produced a "beta" PDF Import Extension see: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/pdfimport and: http://www.winportal.com/sun-pdf-import-extension/download but that probably isn't suitable for long documents. Alan -- alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk alan.dawes@riscos.org Using an Acorn RiscPC To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 25 17:57:29 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SjAle-0RpVbs-04-8jF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:57:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SjAle-0RpVbs-04-8jF; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:59:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SjAle-0RpVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:59:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SjAlV-0005iQ-N8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:59:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3464ED7AB9; 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Mon, 25 Jun 2012 10:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:59:08 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52a538ff12dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4FFEEE9%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a538ff12dave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1332 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Dave Symes wrote: >In article <52A4FFEEE9%mik.towse@xemik.com>, > Mik Towse wrote: > >[Snippy] >> ..and the second, OPro not exporting in more 'acceptable' formats. >> Personally, I think it /should/ be able to export as PDF, but it may >> well be able to do this using the latest printer driver. > > OvPro itself can't export as PDF, but like like any app that has a Print > facility, OvPro, Eureka etc, etc, it can Print to PDF. This is no help as > it's now proven, to our satisfaction, PDFs do not convert well to Epubs. The implication of what you've been doing is that all the converters work by taking the stream of data within the PDF and doing something with it, rather than letting the PDF data form a page of print (as Acrobat or Foxit Reader would do) then trying to replicate that page. One of those references I quoted in an earlier reply made it clear that epub files (like html in a browser) can be re-flowed as one changes the size of the viewwing window (or maybe change the font size of the displayed data), whereas there's no concept of reflowing PDF in a PDF viewer. I really don't understand how you'd expect a non-reflowable page of text to be displayed by a reflowing viewer. >You are all still missing THE point it's mostly about. > >I am not creating new documents, these are all old documents and wanting >to do something else with them. > >If I was creating a new document *now* for the purpose in hand, I'd not >bother with all this RO ****, but go straight to a PC app that'll do the >business without any additional aggravation. I think part of the problem is that you seem to expect OvPro to work as a text preparation application. It is NOT, it's a graphical layout program, meant to be the final stage of document production. You're meant (at least in theory) to have the source text in another form, whether and then dump it into OvPro (or equivalent). > FWIW. I still prefer, and do use OvPro for all my business documents, it's > a most excellent app, it's just unfortunate that in the export area it's > so lacking. There's no need to export the text if you already have it in another form... -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 25 22:27:32 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SjGc3-3wZknw-02-BPM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:27:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SjGc3-3wZknw-02-BPM; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:14:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SjGc3-3wZknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:14:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SjGbr-0005h6-8o for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:14:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5816BED7B62; 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Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13C79ED6A92 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk (blake.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.204]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5PLCkYj024939 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:12:46 +0100 Received: from 37.152.244.246 (SquirrelMail authenticated user de11) by webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:12:22 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <59800.37.152.244.246.1340658742.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52a500e3dddave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> <50836.37.152.244.246.1340559077.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <52a500e3dddave@triffid.co.uk> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:12:22 +0100 (BST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem From: "Dave Lawton" To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 1333 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@etcsystems.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 24 June, 2012 8:49 pm, Dave Symes wrote: > In article > <50836.37.152.244.246.1340559077.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk>, > Dave Lawton wrote: > > On a slightly different tack. > > > Dave, can I ask what platform you are targeting please ? > > How do you mean, I'm not targeting any platform as such... Windows, > Linux > (yuk) or even RISC OS? > > For all I know it could be platform 2 at Bournemouth Central railway > station, it's the upline to Waterloo y'know. > If you mean what Ebook reader; Fay has a Kobo, and as per usual I'm > tasked > with sorting out the computer and associated problems. > > Dave > I've only direct experience with the Kobo Touch, but googling certainly gives the impression that the Vox, and the Wireless support the same document formats. One of these is .pdf. Might I ask why you want your documents in e-pub please ? --=20 Regards, Dave Lawton HTML emails are just a security risk, and nobody needs that. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 26 12:11:02 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SjP0i-3NJVbs-06-BXD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:11:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SjP0i-3NJVbs-06-BXD; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:12:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SjP0i-3NJVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:12:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SjP0O-00058q-U9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:12:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7446DED7D4A; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:11:15 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340691075; bh=KgOwfeL7zwOE/2gwrIwR4lRBkAJ6DsUdtaGpLDF9 dSQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=YhR/2H TIm96nrZxQtYBTAl3E6BdFjLNhmOaImAJOsIoIz5bD+UjSigpyTeST965LFbTn4nEx/ PVWWxFtAGw8LRQB/9miccmLaf3bmVfqLmMnYNqzvPKDElOt21/DSLaGu5xzIQlEYH1M igVKFK8IkW1cEvtLGZeTmXt2pPDI9Fs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EsHCIZGC2g6z; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10FAFED7D1E; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:11:02 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340691074; bh=KgOwfeL7zwOE/2gwrIwR4lRBkAJ6DsUdtaGpLDF9 dSQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=cKdQqd +RbP3Tla2Peny5x0RlMm5TeXQoKs+K5ZKKR43yL0wcnrjjUt+/Oe8Pii9mgeHGnzYmt CvM99g2pGmzd7+P9xUu0oQgXmSn1e2qlyKN9odbNCGHQhB7OJdgWHvomp0VIPYQ43Cg Jlsj/gxwEkEBb94TsTvZjN0nT5rTV2E= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:11:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D84C3ED7D28 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:11:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id brvIxAc7CqYy for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEF09ED7D1E for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.33.62]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5Q6AFvr006709 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:10:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:11:01 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a5bd9fc5dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <59800.37.152.244.246.1340658742.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> References: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> <50836.37.152.244.246.1340559077.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <52a500e3dddave@triffid.co.uk> <59800.37.152.244.246.1340658742.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1334 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <59800.37.152.244.246.1340658742.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk>, Dave Lawton wrote: [Snippy] > > > I've only direct experience with the Kobo Touch, but googling > certainly gives the impression that the Vox, and the Wireless > support the same document formats. > One of these is .pdf. Might I ask why you want your documents > in e-pub please ? That's what we thought, unfortunately if you thought we were having problems with PDF to EPub conversion... Yes you can get a PDF into readers, but the document is really unreadable. Sure it's all there, but it's not in a size of any use, as the reader attempts to display (Our original PDF is A4 size) the whole page in a small reader screen. I could go on about our attempts to re-edit the document (In OvPro) in a reader size template and PDF that, but that wasn't satisfactory either. In the end, after much experimentation and online reading/manual etc we arrived at the conclusion PDFs in any form just don't do the business. If you process a document, by whatever means, and arrive at at an Epub document suited to your reader, it's as near as damit perfect, in that the text is readable, suitably sized, the elements are in the correct places (x1) and the document fits the reader window, so you don't have to scroll around the window to get at the off the screen bits. Obviously as per usual you have to move between pages in the doc. Something like Calibre, which is still being refined and developed BTW. can be configured to output quite a number of different reader file types. The Epub format appears to be a more universal format than some, but to answer your last line... Fays reader prefers Epub, Fay's circle of friends mostly have readers that support/prefer the Epub format. Dave (x1) If things are not processed correctly, often the elements of a document are in Poo order. One I was playing with recently, PDF to Epub converter, the elements of the document after conversion were all over the place... Chapter 8 was a at the beginning of the documents page displays, followed by IIRC chapter 6 and so on... It was a mess. The Epub format is just a container for a number of sub files. If you bring an Epub file into RISC OS (It will show as Text) change its filetype to "Archive" then open the archive... If you don't have one to hand, I've put a small one up at... http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/Ballhow.epub so you can see the construction... The complete document is inside the OPS directory, clicking the "page-1/html" into a browser will display it. Obviously if you have a stand alone (computer) Epub file reader, you can do it that way. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 26 12:55:33 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SjUFO-4F4000-02-Ep3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:55:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SjUFO-4F4000-02-Ep3; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:47:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SjUFO-4F4000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:47:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SjUFO-0002YN-6e for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:47:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F01ADED7A7C; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:47:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340711273; bh=ZDo0hkaxOy65Clt+Rr8gAwt4pMn7xN7Z5wWWQu4E 5Cg=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=m1Spl9lIlyulMj9z5CbDqgT1nA+jx XYFU92sUZq9DFaxDkO2hx5XPZsJP4H+obHOlhGRBJBFvn9qgMvp92ZuB9BDsHc5bQvl lIX89XJn7yNWkn5+T69Z8bJn3pdeiH1H34lrJledHatkneuiGI75zQVjHnoav0Z1VZV ngt35WWU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jCEzaLZMw94r; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1BAFED6C7D; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:47:39 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340711272; bh=ZDo0hkaxOy65Clt+Rr8gAwt4pMn7xN7Z5wWWQu4E 5Cg=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=qp+vFLrc2Vgl5U/U5fvs9BJ/ptJvu F1Cu2h8j+Iog57znPoPkAYVUM04BjcnSgn4FdlhsdmIXQfmqL8DOv9f0iMqcwgocwmx 2OGws1zj5g7cGjYbju6Li6nDYMQy8DYYkYyHfx2iCLVxPA1I/2gzr3OlZy65KlQ0Hb+ tH7ROdIY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:47:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 852B2ED78A4 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:47:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ryq7z1yCoOb5 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F38DAED6C7D for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SjUF7-0006K4-iW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:47:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:46:38 +0100 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] New Version of WordSquare/CrossStar for Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1335 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, Someone once assured me that a word square program would be of interest to many people. It turned out to be the least popular program I ever wrote. Anyway, years on, it has been pointed out that the function to import a list of words to make a grid does not work. Turns out I'd completely omitted it when moving the code to Windows. New version here: http://www.davidpilling.com/InstallCrossStar.exe -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 26 15:25:36 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SjWYB-16T000-02-CWG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SjWYB-16T000-02-CWG; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:15:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SjWYB-16T000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:15:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SjWY4-0002oh-Ig for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:15:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3423DED7D3E; 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Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:13:52 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52a5bd9fc5dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> <50836.37.152.244.246.1340559077.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <52a500e3dddave@triffid.co.uk> <59800.37.152.244.246.1340658742.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <52a5bd9fc5dave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1336 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Dave Symes wrote: >In the end, after much experimentation and online reading/manual etc we >arrived at the conclusion PDFs in any form just don't do the business. Could you explain - because I still don't really understand this - how you expect a document that starts off as an A4 one, to retain its layout, but fit into a smaller screen size? Surely the layout has to change? Eg multi-column text become one long skinny column, pictures get shrunk and placed in different positions, etc? > One I was playing with recently, PDF to Epub converter, the elements of > the document after conversion were all over the place... Chapter 8 was a > at the beginning of the documents page displays, followed by IIRC chapter > 6 and so on... It was a mess. Which contradicts what they claim on their sales pages, and isn't what their "More info" page suggests with its various pics of more complicated document layouts. So what did they say when you sent them a sample PDF and explained how the results are not accurate? Do they think it's fixable? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 26 15:40:36 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SjWmY-3hFknw-04-CHt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:40:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SjWmY-3hFknw-04-CHt; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:30:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SjWmY-3hFknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:30:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SjWmL-0001IB-Hp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:30:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 621BBED7EE1; 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Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14813ED7EC9 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([91.85.44.159]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5QETN5H025320 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:29:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:29:16 +0100 Message-ID: References: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> <50836.37.152.244.246.1340559077.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <52a500e3dddave@triffid.co.uk> <59800.37.152.244.246.1340658742.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <52a5bd9fc5dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1337 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: >>In the end, after much experimentation and online reading/manual etc we >>arrived at the conclusion PDFs in any form just don't do the business. > Could you explain - because I still don't really understand this - how you > expect a document that starts off as an A4 one, to retain its layout, but > fit into a smaller screen size? Surely the layout has to change? > Eg multi-column text become one long skinny column, pictures get shrunk and > placed in different positions, etc? It might be instructive to open the pdf file in !pdf, and save as text. My experience is that the sequence of text is not that seen on the page, but relates to the order it was added to the originating document. PostScript. and its relative pdf, contain sequences of instructions to place a piece of text at a coordinate position on the paper. It can do these in any order, bearing no relation to the order in which the reader views the page. I would be quite surprised if pdf from a DTP program managed to produce a logical sequence of text in, say HTML, which bore any resemblance to reading order. It's only likely to happen from OPro if the document contains a single story (OPro terminology), which might be in a series of linked frames. Pictures are only going to be in the right place with respect to the text if they were embedded, so treated as a character - not in their own frames. >> One I was playing with recently, PDF to Epub converter, the elements of >> the document after conversion were all over the place... Chapter 8 was a >> at the beginning of the documents page displays, followed by IIRC chapter >> 6 and so on... It was a mess. > Which contradicts what they claim on their sales pages, and isn't what their > "More info" page suggests with its various pics of more complicated document > layouts. > So what did they say when you sent them a sample PDF and explained how the > results are not accurate? Do they think it's fixable? -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 26 18:25:23 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SjZ5W-00Xknw-05-9yv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:25:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SjZ5W-00Xknw-05-9yv; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 16:58:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SjZ5W-00Xknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 16:58:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SjZ5R-0001A4-16 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 16:58:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8CD7ED7D70; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:57:49 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340729869; bh=E1Ghdd/4UMZ74s/3mviP6I0ifwQCbK1aP9wfLnig YlY=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=uOdIiy Hxp0rhqQn822gh9pnJBvM7OXqrlHnI4cCmwgASd+++dwhhVeRfYq96g+kPf4aG9t6fW H7HP1QrVmuem/QzRKyPcN5z5SSt5ExIzETj+5YNVHT/JSMSw4fiY3V4opsFNlH8xmwV J0VSGfAQZ7wnZTDLYpieKJHD/TOlGVA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CMI8uI3TAc+T; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FA97ED7D97; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:57:36 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340729868; bh=E1Ghdd/4UMZ74s/3mviP6I0ifwQCbK1aP9wfLnig YlY=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=LUYtm5 0xkluE5MpZq9xn5vYOOnb1Iq7M2158coGFWelAlCAHfi2m8y4gba/bfpZ1ZExSiOJcU wKqEFi0MKxjUCfn02fD/FFLJQcPTXgjj5K7cGqjwYtEUhEdK6L2nsYZmZ4vlKFDfaiR fuFr8J4rXIBueGuCNn2iHNPoeciJTaI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:57:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45D5DED7D70 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:57:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zqxYSMNa4aA9 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3432ED7D97 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.33.62]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5QGvJM8031485 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:57:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:54:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a5f88089dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> <50836.37.152.244.246.1340559077.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <52a500e3dddave@triffid.co.uk> <59800.37.152.244.246.1340658742.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <52a5bd9fc5dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1338 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: {snippy] > So what did they say when you sent them a sample PDF and explained how > the results are not accurate? Do they think it's fixable? I've not bothered to contact them for two reasons. 1) We know the PDF route is fraught with problems, so we just don't bother doing it that way, so it's a pointless exercise (for us). Haven't you noticed... That's why I want another different export route out of OvPro. ;-) 2) Far more important... because I said I'd exited this conversation days ago... The job I'm working on ATM has a very fast approaching deadline so I should be concentrating on that instead of messing about with this stuff. 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26 Jun 2012 17:41:20 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <485765C3960A4BF190C1BAEC87D837C9@JOHN> From: "J LEEMING" To: References: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> <50836.37.152.244.246.1340559077.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <52a500e3dddave@triffid.co.uk> <59800.37.152.244.246.1340658742.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <52a5bd9fc5dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a5f88089dave@triffid.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:41:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-archive-position: 1339 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jleeming231@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Symes" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:54 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem > 1) We know the PDF route is fraught with problems, so we just don't bother > doing it that way, so it's a pointless exercise (for us). > > Haven't you noticed... That's why I want another different export route > out of OvPro. ;-) I'm a bit puzzled by all this. Since we established a long time ago that exporting from a DTP application to a sequential one is not reliable, why are we still discussing it? Would it not be better to export the text from OvPro by itself, import it to MS-Word (or whatever), then drop in the illustrations separately as and where required? Yes, it requires manual input, but then any other method would as well, to ensure that the layout was as required. John L. 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Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:17:26 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52a5f88089dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> <50836.37.152.244.246.1340559077.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <52a500e3dddave@triffid.co.uk> <59800.37.152.244.246.1340658742.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <52a5bd9fc5dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a5f88089dave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1340 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Dave Symes wrote: >In article , > Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: >{snippy] > >> So what did they say when you sent them a sample PDF and explained how >> the results are not accurate? Do they think it's fixable? > > I've not bothered to contact them for two reasons. I thought you might not have done. But you've gone on and on about the problems. How do you expect any of the software companies to improve their products if you don't tell them what's wrong? I do realise that they might ignore complaints, or not attempt to fix them, but not asking them to do it is senseless. > 1) We know the PDF route is fraught with problems, so we just don't bother > doing it that way, so it's a pointless exercise (for us). But wouldn't be if you found a converter that worked better? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jun 27 12:33:14 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SjfFI-4GeVbs-07-CLf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 12:33:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SjfFI-4GeVbs-07-CLf; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:32:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SjfFI-4GeVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:32:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SjfFB-0007Zh-27 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:32:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A9F1ED7CE2; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:32:20 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340753540; bh=Cqce+vgRJR1CvfS9ckxT2y4afPZ1gcgjja2i4IPI MOs=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=w1y29v+/SZM69xT92qxUXl900dFhA b14Ox6FI7XNR5P86p7GHWGFPziR5ohDgCtvwe3qGgB2zbpXtJfgJNJ949M0y9CLytVk Ar0aBD0O5k6lpbqhcNCkUJLs/t0eYWyyVcnBk7yJA3hZIOdzpA2noCMFG3MYIMvMxRN 26EEXaOw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VdYmgpVg0GAE; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDCB6ED7987; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:32:06 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340753539; bh=Cqce+vgRJR1CvfS9ckxT2y4afPZ1gcgjja2i4IPI MOs=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Y74ZjgFK7+y9J1Ui0q6g3mkPH1JEK 5ybXoA5aJvAlF6f/SaxYAgXnHZGxkielRJWyODW1sEn+POJ1v5N+tqafHNz7sqptfod CXOIj93ocviWDdB4X8JdlLas8qPsv8SQfwJjQmz3kIvHMvPgz/Z8WHEWrcs9vwUsyeS yajQPh7Y= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:32:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88F29ED762A for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:32:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G66nuBfMRE-x for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dombey.localdomain (chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk [80.177.169.146]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF345ED7987 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dombey.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id F39D72111C; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:32:02 +0100 (BST) From: Deri James To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:32:02 +0100 Message-ID: <1424495.gPXWgR3rRH@dombey> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.2 (Linux/3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2; KDE/4.8.2; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <52a5f88089dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="nextPart1385411.zgXWI3aiRZ" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-archive-position: 1341 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling --nextPart1385411.zgXWI3aiRZ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dave Symes wrote: > Yes you can get a PDF into readers, but the document is really unreadable. > Sure it's all there, but it's not in a size of any use, as the reader > attempts to display (Our original PDF is A4 size) the whole page in a > small reader screen. > > I could go on about our attempts to re-edit the document (In OvPro) in a > reader size template and PDF that, but that wasn't satisfactory either. I agree that PDFs produced for printing (i.e. on A4 paper) are useless for reading on Kindles and such like e-book readers, but when you produce a pdf designed for the correct screen size the results can be acceptable. This PDF:- http://www.chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk/PDFs/A Christmas Carol.pdf was created using a perl script -> groff -> ghostscript from an original e- text from the Gutenberg Project. It is intended to show that OvPro -> PDF -> e-reader could be achieved (by changing paper size, fonts and picture frames of your document). Deri --nextPart1385411.zgXWI3aiRZ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

 

> Yes you can get a PDF into readers, but the document is really unreadable.

> Sure it's all there, but it's not in a size of any use, as the reader

> attempts to display (Our original PDF is A4 size) the whole page in a

> small reader screen.

>

> I could go on about our attempts to re-edit the document (In OvPro) in a

> reader size template and PDF that, but that wasn't satisfactory either.

 

I agree that PDFs produced for printing (i.e. on A4 paper) are useless for reading on Kindles and such like e-book readers, but when you produce a pdf designed for the correct screen size the results can be acceptable.

 

This PDF:-

 

http://www.chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk/PDFs/A Christmas Carol.pdf

 

was created using a perl script -> groff -> ghostscript from an original e-text from the Gutenberg Project. It is intended to show that OvPro -> PDF -> e-reader could be achieved (by changing paper size, fonts and picture frames of your document).

 

Deri

 

 

 

--nextPart1385411.zgXWI3aiRZ-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jun 27 12:33:51 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sjkjw-1afknw-07-FNX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 12:33:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sjkjw-1afknw-07-FNX; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:24:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sjkjw-1afknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:24:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sjkjt-0003AX-Gu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:24:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75D1BED73AE; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:24:25 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340774665; bh=ey1oyehIWcg23LaslWsyi6+B7ibcNpKwHdz8xPnF UkE=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=B7ZPmU h2/7LuCHoPnTYqBV7Fvfl/GMYyxPrn+Zo9AHBXTVob+aRncnVhdooTGj2txLRZX4ZoG zJC224+3DmVnJGri9oPx3HFZKzxKsVxlc33DXm/MJLpGhCvD5vmcCMt1Hym3DebFeHw 1EWYjNdLL/3Uj5QmKDJT1qudo2zDBD0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kfLt4gk2Q1wx; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D190FED7096; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:24:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340774664; bh=ey1oyehIWcg23LaslWsyi6+B7ibcNpKwHdz8xPnF UkE=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=bewVDK mMFHK4YawjhD472jlcVfaiJrTaBEZ6MrPD3dUPj8cpBAFySH2EcykSy67FzW00wrR51 IPfReK0DN0JaZ3h/oi5tg0m41zpzCCnbrts25lthSdmAQgKk38YwxVnXZBS0zNBuC33 u4ek/udM3wJb7mh4lMQFym+1mPRTYIc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:24:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 899F8ED7367 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:24:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P5MyoP2WsRgs for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6643ED7364 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 01:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.33.62]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q5R5O1UO019249 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 06:24:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 06:22:12 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: <52a63cfdbddave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52a5f88089dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52a115863adave@triffid.co.uk> <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> <50836.37.152.244.246.1340559077.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <52a500e3dddave@triffid.co.uk> <59800.37.152.244.246.1340658742.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <52a5bd9fc5dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a5f88089dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-archive-position: 1342 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Snippy] Quick note before I exit this discussion FTTB. Very early this AM after some freeby testing, I purchased a PDF to Word converter (Able2Doc) which upon testing converts/renders very well. That includes graphics. I've set it up and presented it to Fay, so she can work with her Epub stuff without me needing to get involved FTTB. It's been an interesting discussion folks, but I must depart. Dave All the tested PDFs were out of OvPro, RO versions by Steve's PrintPDF and the Win Versions by PDFConverter. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jun 27 12:34:21 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Sjoo8-0nAGPo-08-BJL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 12:34:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Sjoo8-0nAGPo-08-BJL; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:45:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Sjoo8-0nAGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:45:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Sjoo3-00079M-GV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:45:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07BC2ED80B7; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:45:01 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340790301; bh=itMLjDa5412YH0kvQvl5sk3SYMIEm0hE/skpQQiC Xhw=; h=In-Reply-To:References:To:MIME-Version:Subject:Message-ID: From:Date:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=lFlTwh nZf7vIIRexh1OP5Qb+CjUtt2rIxZGDQtnm6IW+wVGVhB8qh5f6yqZahFplKgO7v2+P3 4bH8llB2MgR6guHN1BRBk1Li9p1avp4sqZoTC83IWs6KuScmx9ogNSbMlWebI5+3GpG X/51L3Yf89Dj1yd/xwxYPDNwTeAY980= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5aTcBWzhCOLw; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 974F5ED8098; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:44:47 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1340790300; bh=itMLjDa5412YH0kvQvl5sk3SYMIEm0hE/skpQQiC Xhw=; h=In-Reply-To:References:To:MIME-Version:Subject:Message-ID: From:Date:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=PnaCCc q9QkCKNmjmDQsijlkBi7w5aGbWVvQakqY3DDXCrxYADpjg+w71q589CFYV83OPPuHuD +ulnJXyTw5XJSv6u7Yy7Z2NAH3VkfXYXXPJOrPtp0MbbKiIidF6UnYmkdM7eAesxLaT RemHmjIl5RzoRH13/4kHWwIYuH/1ECs= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:44:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CC53ED809A for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:44:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jxFqWIkoAp5t for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (websrv.quantel.com [195.12.20.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B31FAED8098 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2012 05:44:45 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <52a1e335c1dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a21e1092dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a2a7ddc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <91f5b1a252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <52a4baad30dave@triffid.co.uk> <52A4CF3380%mik.towse@xemik.com> <52a4e71ef3dave@triffid.co.uk> <50836.37.152.244.246.1340559077.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <52a500e3dddave@triffid.co.uk> <59800.37.152.244.246.1340658742.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <52a5bd9fc5dave@triffid.co.uk> <52a5f88089dave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Age old problem Message-ID: From: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:44:54 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-archive-position: 1343 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Jeremy Nicoll wrote on 26/06/2012 18:17:26: > Dave Symes wrote: > > >In article , > > Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: > >{snippy] > > > >> So what did they say when you sent them a sample PDF and explained how > >> the results are not accurate? Do they think it's fixable? > > > > I've not bothered to contact them for two reasons. > > I thought you might not have done. But you've gone on and on about the > problems. How do you expect any of the software companies to improve their > products if you don't tell them what's wrong? > > I do realise that they might ignore complaints, or not attempt to fix them, > but not asking them to do it is senseless. My thoughts exactly. I write software for a living and the number of times I have conversations of the form... I can do so and so Why don't you use this feature to do it? Oh, that doesn't work. Then why didn't you tell me!!!! Stuff can't be fixed if you don't know it's broke. These companies were advertising 100% accurate conversion. A quick email with an example if how this isn't true doesn't take long. Whilst it might not get fixed for your current project, it might be a lot better in 6 months time when you start the next one. Regards Andy Ling To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling