From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 21:42:56 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SERYE-27H000-04-CzZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 21:42:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SERYE-27H000-04-CzZ; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 20:39:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SERYE-27H000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 20:39:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SERYB-0006vg-4h for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 20:39:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4616EBAA64; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:38:56 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333312736; bh=Nn/fec0KAoGQhV2BkwuXDtvSz7aEV6UpWUVWDtze fuo=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=lqBDCyjh53j7BD5ZifSRth6jOK0NGNbXa4ZWsItfZ9ZzW5Pefp z8K8KNPg12n9tYaCtdBZmMT7q3BoVIw/+jMWrFfVdgFIL334GvTgFaDcriIkTD1yA15 dIqffv3BiLFavZ+4k0pTO9HO5FKvL2U2Pzh0cKe/M8syVRFyD4Gaxo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8NV0fH9Upp9O; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73394EBAA2D; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:38:43 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333312735; bh=Nn/fec0KAoGQhV2BkwuXDtvSz7aEV6UpWUVWDtze fuo=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=goHlNpJnPYqz8aBkol8jhNRZGwUjohRaQFJmaa1aks2ctNwz1V D0YtTuaw39FeGshx2fJzdaj2lFESEU/UrV+eEV7QijCO6AUABUW8HRgbiXX/lDgMvMb WGGKDdLEcyqImd6dIuazCcgo17qgSwOAgrE5bZRMkc35qzizfP0Lw8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Apr 2012 16:38:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46D29EBAA63 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:38:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0D05BfXGHx2D for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8D12EBAA2D for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SERXs-0005lV-iP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 20:38:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 21:37:46 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <52798fe919chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1143 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message , David Pilling writes > >Bounced message from Martin Devon Another one... ===================================================== !MakeRTF is written in BASIC and it's not too hard to make small changes - it's been done before with various types of quotation marks. Dave has not told use precisely what aspects he wants to achieve. There are limitations, bearing in mind particularly that highly accurate sizing and positioning of elements is not possible in Word. Neither do we know why customers demand it in Word - are they going to edit it themselves - or is it simply the result of ignorance? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 22:42:58 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SESSd-2HdVbs-08-C5A.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 22:42:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SESSd-2HdVbs-08-C5A; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 21:37:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SESSd-2HdVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 21:37:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SESSb-0002Vd-IT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 21:37:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF4A3EBAAB4; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 17:37:15 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333316235; bh=mxAQKSuG/yWF7lHxSZSffQi2KQu2HyJgG5YjJOq6 ViE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mime-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=O+jkmiFLU9fBkXBKngxB146Swa2XDjbP12J8Sf0Q9WPR7LM6va 3Oml4I5jDMTMUuLZitrxUwjkh/c1PUqwzDW78rtyeVkKkjGsI8ll4J9UeHLxQfWH8Uu +3KCO/V3UrrHJaQHR4STuZYFXu9+yP5l9lHWNnWmAIYQSR9xdXMc+g= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hy+mygaAOplz; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 17:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C220EB8CDF; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 17:37:02 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333316235; bh=mxAQKSuG/yWF7lHxSZSffQi2KQu2HyJgG5YjJOq6 ViE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mime-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=O+jkmiFLU9fBkXBKngxB146Swa2XDjbP12J8Sf0Q9WPR7LM6va 3Oml4I5jDMTMUuLZitrxUwjkh/c1PUqwzDW78rtyeVkKkjGsI8ll4J9UeHLxQfWH8Uu +3KCO/V3UrrHJaQHR4STuZYFXu9+yP5l9lHWNnWmAIYQSR9xdXMc+g= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:37:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 301B4EBAA7D for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 17:37:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Olby7uoN9-VB for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 17:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2F3DEBAA3D for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 17:37:01 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,353,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="610980761" Received: from unknown (HELO via.heleigh.local) ([82.152.145.38]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 01 Apr 2012 22:37:02 +0100 Received: from mdxu.heleigh.local (unknown [192.168.0.30]) by via.heleigh.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9B8103C7 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 22:37:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 22:37:00 +0100 From: Martin Devon To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Bouncing Message-ID: <20120401223700.51b40f1a@mdxu.heleigh.local> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1144 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi David Sorry about this - not clear why it's happening? Martin -- Martin R Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wilts, UK RISC OS in the timber-frame housing industry To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 2 11:33:11 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SET3z-4VA000-05-BTo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:33:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SET3z-4VA000-05-BTo; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 22:15:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SET3z-4VA000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 22:15:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SET3v-000519-Lq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 22:15:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4FBBEBA728; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:15:50 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333318550; bh=b/jrYzJMP1hWvNGtiHEqgel+L+TuXV9CmC9HvzA+ kAU=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=dp2AAHz4Gv7wYrZG2iXTVEn3UfJg4Pyn6VFu0hJhf5H3/TBfyb Kw0Ftaa9FPDTyKyjdE8NAKTIHMOTkW2kQ4nKngCak8icxvwRrwG/iN2uwYuNGN4Hvqo kAQ2WlznqVtIowF0dsDhlOqgRIg3DOIzta4YDZmesgHzfWKBnIK75g= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IYS1OvbvCRb0; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75A8AEBA7FB; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:15:37 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333318549; bh=b/jrYzJMP1hWvNGtiHEqgel+L+TuXV9CmC9HvzA+ kAU=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=RgLdUXGSqDO7SO5jKbTBS7ERFVkU+QDTs80uXZSDrZ9DQoRuDN yykzya7H31raDS9unOMws/P3CPuNsiNxUM1eUKoaCFuivjtjfieTAInMtJEb6oV1Xit eueZRU6DmMVQ6HWV2P6BIknK4FOkkRo4Lag4Xj/ov3Cq2J0znGdkjI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Apr 2012 18:15:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DEABEBA9B0 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:15:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ST8vJ5VjC7Fn for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3C43EBA7FB for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SET3a-0005EM-Y6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 22:15:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 23:15:19 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Bouncing References: <20120401223700.51b40f1a@mdxu.heleigh.local> In-Reply-To: <20120401223700.51b40f1a@mdxu.heleigh.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1145 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <20120401223700.51b40f1a@mdxu.heleigh.local>, Martin Devon writes >Hi David > >Sorry about this - not clear why it's happening? > >Martin For the most common reason, you posted from an address that is not subscribed to the list. That's probably obvious enough - only addresses that are subscribed can post, otherwise we would be swamped by spam. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 2 11:33:24 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEUW9-1p9knw-05-A1e.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:33:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEUW9-1p9knw-05-A1e; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 23:49:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEUW9-1p9knw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 23:49:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEUVx-0002Oz-Li for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 23:49:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 436B4EBA9CF; 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Sun, 1 Apr 2012 19:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8127EBA78A for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 19:48:20 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,353,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="608779735" Received: from unknown (HELO via.heleigh.local) ([82.152.145.38]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 02 Apr 2012 00:48:17 +0100 Received: from mdxu.heleigh.local (unknown [192.168.0.30]) by via.heleigh.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754F2103C7 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 00:48:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 00:48:15 +0100 From: Martin Devon To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Message-ID: <20120402004815.5f4bdf05@mdxu.heleigh.local> In-Reply-To: <20120402001728.61118120@mdxu.heleigh.local> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <20120402001728.61118120@mdxu.heleigh.local> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1146 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling > On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 08:11:51 +0100 > Dave Symes wrote: > > > In article <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, > > Peter Young wrote: > > > On 31 Mar 2012 Dave Symes wrote: > > > > > > Advance warning... Despite liking OvPro very much, I'm going to > > > > have a moan. > > > > > > I use OvPro on both RISC OS and Windows quite a lot, but I'm > > > > being caused a great deal of annoyance with its failing. > > > > > > 1) Ovpro for Windows cannot output RTF, so stuffed if you have > > > > to put a document in something else for customers... Usually > > > > Word) (Copy and paste not an option as it loses the formatting > > > > details.) > > > > > Something Dave may like to try: > > 1. print from OPro to PDF > 2. use a pdf to Word converter to export as doc. There are several out > there, some clearly better than others. > > To test: (a) made a pdf from a fairly tricky Word doc with pdfcreator > (b) made pdf from OPro with !PDF3 > then converted pdfs to docs and compared with the originals. > > Tried a few random converters and found Able2Doc did a good job - > there may still be better out there. > Also very worth considering http://www.pdfonline.com/convert-pdf/ excellent quality, quick and free Martin -- Martin R Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wilts, UK RISC OS in the timber-frame housing industry To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 2 11:33:41 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEZkb-4OhVbs-07-DJi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:33:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEZkb-4OhVbs-07-DJi; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 05:24:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEZkb-4OhVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Mon, 2 Apr 2012 01:24:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KUxE+0QgSE-j for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 01:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F192EB6D1C for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 01:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.49.224]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q325NkIp002193 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 06:23:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 06:19:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Message-ID: <5279f2e20cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <52798fe919chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1147 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message , David Pilling > writes > > > >Bounced message from Martin Devon > Another one... > ===================================================== > !MakeRTF is written in BASIC and it's not too hard to make small changes > - it's been done before with various types of quotation marks. Easily said if you understand the stuff, I understand about 10 percent, the rest is Serbo Croat... > Dave has not told use precisely what aspects he wants to achieve. There > are limitations, bearing in mind particularly that highly accurate > sizing and positioning of elements is not possible in Word. Neither do > we know why customers demand it in Word - are they going to edit it > themselves - or is it simply the result of ignorance? My requirements are quite simple. As per the Publisher RTF creator, I want the OvPro output to go into Word without... 1) Being invisible. 2) Having to remove all the formatting (The whole point of an RTF transfer) to get the content to display. 3) I'm only too aware of the difficulties translating between systems, so I don't expect everything to work, but as it is, nothing works. ATM. Using the MakeRTF output is a pointless exercise, I might just as well open the .dpd document in Win OvPro, Hilight, then do a Copy and thereafter Paste into Word. Same result, a load of unformatted text. (Not forgetting that using MakeRTF messes up Reporter. With regard to customer document requirements... I have no idea, I don't ask, I do my best to accommodate the customers wishes so they spend the money with my business rather than some other guy. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 2 12:17:57 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEfBJ-2bbVbs-08-GPW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:17:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEfBJ-2bbVbs-08-GPW; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 11:12:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEfBJ-2bbVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 11:12:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEfBJ-00056s-BV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 11:12:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEBA3EBAE36; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 07:12:16 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333365136; bh=fIoOc8Y8TxwAtoTad25QTHd/Ug4amBcClJphmOwn taA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=f6hgwxqTWckyq7A3GqOwMIn7tSAzkvYYZ3eQ89b8wajMvWiLWZ Pl1cFpv4cOj9EN8y4hMp8alwLCN6ynY+01wEjFbq7bfsaWu4305xzHb8WwYa1KluM0T rrvZWDU7L5/e5vSuB1LJUFKaPCSIvnEWZvINNvtM4MOda7qgsB2opo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fI7tQ1lEIirO; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 07:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75E4BEBAE29; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 07:12:03 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333365135; bh=fIoOc8Y8TxwAtoTad25QTHd/Ug4amBcClJphmOwn taA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=hqDICZaUCU/36H0Kh/Xg1SDJ5kf9Cb2vhKY8Ojtmg1mYYEzzvk LPRJQQbVZtd1iqgR8lLSaoBnkAT3aRBEjpqBB8+iXwD0v66oDMmEcqPz+Y+ZezmsZAt MTZnmWMf8cY7UBY4+B4Q6fADa/d8XhsqzlSUyfdnaLM4LOzG3cf5Yo= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Apr 2012 07:12:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34BE2EB8DDD for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 07:12:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dqMHv+vOQkfV for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 07:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1523EBAE29 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 07:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SEfB2-0003Rg-YO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 11:12:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:10:41 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <52798fe919chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5279f2e20cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5279f2e20cdave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1148 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, If I was to do document export, what would be the best format HTML, RTF, MS Word, or some sort of XML variant as used by Open Office. Given that only one of the above is ever going to be done. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 2 12:47:57 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEfae-1vMknw-05-G0B.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:47:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEfae-1vMknw-05-G0B; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 11:38:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEfae-1vMknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 11:38:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEfaB-0002pN-RS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 11:38:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CF1FEBAF36; 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Mon, 2 Apr 2012 07:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 908A6EBAF2C for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 07:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120402113655.CDHC9621.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:36:55 +0100 Received: from PC01 ([86.4.6.22]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with SMTP id <20120402113655.LYJL10211.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:36:55 +0100 Message-ID: <46E7563F7D9642359AB6EECBF9E8DD31@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <52798fe919chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5279f2e20cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:36:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=KCZXijlVNj0A:10 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=EtZ5bjK3_ScA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=eTtaMTScARj75j3q6M4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 1149 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling > -----Original Message----- > From: David Pilling Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 12:10 PM > Hi, > > If I was to do document export, what would be the best format HTML, RTF, > MS Word, or some sort of XML variant as used by Open Office. > > Given that only one of the above is ever going to be done. > > David Pilling For my needs, any format that's usable by MS Word would be most welcome but would any of those allow RiscOS images (particularly !Draw) to be translated into something usable by Windows as well? PDF exporters seem to manage it OK. If that could be done then transferring OvationPro documents from RiscOS to Windows might be thrown into the mix too. Just thought I'd add my two penn'orth! John Grogan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 2 13:03:00 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEfob-1hKGPo-08-FmE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:03:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEfob-1hKGPo-08-FmE; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 11:52:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEfob-1hKGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 11:52:53 +0000 Received: from [80.177.169.146] (helo=dombey.localdomain) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEfoa-0003a1-Pj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 11:52:52 +0000 Received: by dombey.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 8218A20FF9; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:52:32 +0100 (BST) From: Deri James To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:52:32 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.38.8-desktop-10.mga; KDE/4.6.5; x86_64; ; ) Cc: David Pilling References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <5279f2e20cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201204021252.32425.deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk> On Monday 02 Apr 2012 12:10:41 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > If I was to do document export, what would be the best format HTML, RTF, > MS Word, or some sort of XML variant as used by Open Office. > > Given that only one of the above is ever going to be done. Hi S. Each has its own strengths and weaknesses. As I see it:- HTML - Standard, difficult to produce output faithful to OvPro document, pictures must be supplied externally to the HTML. RTF - Non standard proprietary format, changes with every word release, impossible to produce faithful output, pictures can't be embedded. OOXML (Word) - Standard (although no current microsoft product currently supports the full standard, only "transitional), pictures can be embedded. ODF (OpenOffice) - Standard, pictures can be embedded. Personally I think ODF would be the best choice, (with more resources to help the developer). 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Hi S. Each has its own strengths and weaknesses. As I see it:- HTML - Standard, difficult to produce output faithful to OvPro document, pictures must be supplied externally to the HTML. RTF - Non standard proprietary format, changes with every word release, impossible to produce faithful output, pictures can't be embedded. OOXML (Word) - Standard (although no current microsoft product currently supports the full standard, only "transitional), pictures can be embedded. ODF (OpenOffice) - Standard, pictures can be embedded. Personally I think ODF would be the best choice, (with more resources to help the developer). 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charset=us-ascii X-Server-Quench: c535a98f-7cbd-11e1-97bb-002264978518 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCdwZg8cBlZ4Uwkc PRseDSlPYRkkIxBG HARFJgwcPVkfWQ1P M0pCL15XMVsTbV9D VjNXAhcQE0MuGzQ7 awhOHEUffUhOXgd6 UUtDQ1VYFAwmCRsf BxcaTBtxcBtEcWFy ZlliEDFYXjcCfScC QktSE2gDK2ZpbWhR A0VbclJdeFVXeUwX Pk1+VSYMfGwANCh9 R1dpZW5tbGoPdX0F VDsAfxohWkEFAiE1 XR0GHC4zKAU/Snd7 ExwrYlAVHUIQNEop eVwvEXUGCwUVYgAA X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633336373935.1014:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-archive-position: 1151 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Ewen_Pring@timebus.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Deri James wrote on 2 Apr 2012: > On Monday 02 Apr 2012 12:10:41 David Pilling wrote: >> >> If I was to do document export, what would be the best format HTML, RTF, >> MS Word, or some sort of XML variant as used by Open Office. >> >> Given that only one of the above is ever going to be done. > Each has its own strengths and weaknesses. As I see it:- > HTML - Standard, difficult to produce output faithful to OvPro document, > pictures must be supplied externally to the HTML. > RTF - Non standard proprietary format, changes with every word release, > impossible to produce faithful output, pictures can't be embedded. > OOXML (Word) - Standard (although no current microsoft product currently > supports the full standard, only "transitional), pictures can be embedded. > ODF (OpenOffice) - Standard, pictures can be embedded. > Personally I think ODF would be the best choice, (with more resources to help > the developer). I would say OOXML first choice, ODF second choice. We have been moving away from RTF recently and favouring OOXML (.docx). This would be useful for us. We'd want to buy OP upgrades with an export to one of these formats. I assume it could apply to both the RO and Win versions. -- Ewen Pring, St. Albans, Herts using Iyonix, RISC OS 5 http://www.timebus.co.uk/riscos/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 2 14:18:10 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEguo-02bGPo-03-Eg1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:18:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEguo-02bGPo-03-Eg1; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 13:03:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEguo-02bGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 13:03:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEgul-0001as-9J for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 13:03:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 250B3EBAF15; 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Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68F9EEBAF0F for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk (blake.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.204]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q32D2mZV020927 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:02:48 +0100 Received: from 87.112.101.222 (SquirrelMail authenticated user de11) by webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk with HTTP; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:00:09 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <36141.87.112.101.222.1333371609.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5f20197a52.ewen@iyonix.timebus.co.uk> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <5279f2e20cdave@triffid.co.uk> <201204021252.32425.deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk> <5f20197a52.ewen@iyonix.timebus.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:00:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro From: "Dave Lawton" To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 1152 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@etcsystems.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2 April, 2012 1:17 pm, Ewen Pring wrote: > >> On Monday 02 Apr 2012 12:10:41 David Pilling wrote: >>> >>> If I was to do document export, what would be the best format HTML, >>> RTF, >>> MS Word, or some sort of XML variant as used by Open Office. >>> >>> Given that only one of the above is ever going to be done. > Snip David's helpful list of the differences. > > I would say OOXML first choice, ODF second choice. We have been moving > away from RTF recently and favouring OOXML (.docx). > > This would be useful for us. We'd want to buy OP upgrades with an > export to one of these formats. I assume it could apply to both the RO > and Win versions. > I would disagree, ODT would be the best choice, since Libre Office / Open Office can output in doc (several flavours back to W6), docx, html, xml, and also export directly to pdf (great for those who can't install a virtual pdf printer driver) --=20 Regards, Dave Lawton HTML emails are just a security risk, and nobody needs that. 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Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:17:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] The failings of OvPro Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_07BA6133-82A5-450E-A76B-9B686636FB58" From: Clive Bonsall X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <36141.87.112.101.222.1333371609.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:17:41 +0100 Message-Id: References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <5279f2e20cdave@triffid.co.uk> <201204021252.32425.deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk> <5f20197a52.ewen@iyonix.timebus.co.uk> <36141.87.112.101.222.1333371609.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.52, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 --Apple-Mail=_07BA6133-82A5-450E-A76B-9B686636FB58 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline On 2 Apr 2012, at 14:00, Dave Lawton wrote: > On Mon, 2 April, 2012 1:17 pm, Ewen Pring wrote: >>=20 >>> On Monday 02 Apr 2012 12:10:41 David Pilling wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> If I was to do document export, what would be the best format HTML, >>>> RTF, >>>> MS Word, or some sort of XML variant as used by Open Office. >>>>=20 >>>> Given that only one of the above is ever going to be done. >>=20 > Snip David's helpful list of the differences. >>=20 >> I would say OOXML first choice, ODF second choice. We have been moving >> away from RTF recently and favouring OOXML (.docx). >>=20 >> This would be useful for us. We'd want to buy OP upgrades with an >> export to one of these formats. I assume it could apply to both the RO >> and Win versions. >>=20 > I would disagree, ODT would be the best choice, since Libre Office / > Open Office can output in doc (several flavours back to W6), docx, > html, xml, and also export directly to pdf (great for those who can't > install a virtual pdf printer driver) I guess it has to be ODF (.odt) or OpenXML (.docx) =85 whichever is less wo= rk. But (David) are you proposing EXPORT only or also IMPORT =85 and for both O= P and OPW? =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Clive Bonsall =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --Apple-Mail=_07BA6133-82A5-450E-A76B-9B686636FB58 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline
On 2 Apr 201= 2, at 14:00, Dave Lawton wrote:

On Mon, 2 April, 2012 1:17 pm, Ewen Pring = wrote:

On Monday 02 Apr 2012 12:10:41 David Pilling = wrote:

If I was to do document export, what would be the best format HTM= L,
RTF,
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<= blockquote type=3D"cite">away from RTF recently and favouring OOXML (.docx)= .

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<= /blockquote>I would disagree, ODT would be the best choice, since Libre Off= ice /
Open Office can output in doc (several flavours back to W6), docx,=
html, xml, and also export directly to pdf (great for those who can'tinstall a virtual pdf printer driver)

I = guess it has to be ODF (.odt) or OpenXML (.docx) =85 whichever is less work= .

But (David) are you proposing EXPORT only or als= o IMPORT =85 and for both OP and OPW?
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Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:27:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q5Xkj3qer6rT for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FF48EB94BB for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([82.153.103.3]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q32FRNvd025630 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:27:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:27:22 +0100 Message-ID: <6d812a7a52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <5279f2e20cdave@triffid.co.uk> <201204021252.32425.deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk> <5f20197a52.ewen@iyonix.timebus.co.uk> <36141.87.112.101.222.1333371609.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <36141.87.112.101.222.1333371609.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1154 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <36141.87.112.101.222.1333371609.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusn et.co.uk> "Dave Lawton" wrote: > On Mon, 2 April, 2012 1:17 pm, Ewen Pring wrote: >> >>> On Monday 02 Apr 2012 12:10:41 David Pilling wrote: >>>> >>>> If I was to do document export, what would be the best format HTML, >>>> RTF, >>>> MS Word, or some sort of XML variant as used by Open Office. >>>> >>>> Given that only one of the above is ever going to be done. >> > Snip David's helpful list of the differences. >> >> I would say OOXML first choice, ODF second choice. We have been moving >> away from RTF recently and favouring OOXML (.docx). >> >> This would be useful for us. We'd want to buy OP upgrades with an >> export to one of these formats. I assume it could apply to both the RO >> and Win versions. >> > I would disagree, ODT would be the best choice, since Libre Office / > Open Office can output in doc (several flavours back to W6), docx, > html, xml, and also export directly to pdf (great for those who can't > install a virtual pdf printer driver) That's OK if a naive user of Word (i.e. most of them) can open the document by double-clicking it. Word can open HTML, but not by double-click. (Menu, edit.) I don't know about ODT. I'd been thinking about what subset of OPro would be most useful - obviously styles and effects. The fun starts with pictures - if they are embedded in the text (not usual in my experience with OPro, very common with Word) then they can be put in the right place. However if the pictures are in their own frames, where should they be put in the flow of the document. The big difference as I see it between Easi/Techwriter and OPro is that OPro doesn't rely on a document having a flow, whereas Word Processors (Word, Easi/Tech...) do. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 2 17:47:50 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEk2J-25uGPx-05-1QHA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:47:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEk2J-25uGPx-05-1QHA; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:23:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEk2J-25uGPx-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:23:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEjrC-0001lm-Qh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (sidious.london.02.net [82.132.130.152]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78D64EBA247 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from armini.o2.co.uk (93.97.148.139) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.119.05) (authenticated as mytardis@o2.co.uk) id 4F53FD91041E0A59 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:03:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:11:17 +0100 Message-ID: References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <5279f2e20cdave@triffid.co.uk> <201204021252.32425.deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk> <5f20197a52.ewen@iyonix.timebus.co.uk> <36141.87.112.101.222.1333371609.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <6d812a7a52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <6d812a7a52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1155 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@noonehere.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <6d812a7a52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > In message <36141.87.112.101.222.1333371609.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusn > et.co.uk> > "Dave Lawton" wrote: >> On Mon, 2 April, 2012 1:17 pm, Ewen Pring wrote: >>> >>>> On Monday 02 Apr 2012 12:10:41 David Pilling wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If I was to do document export, what would be the best format HTML, >>>>> RTF, >>>>> MS Word, or some sort of XML variant as used by Open Office. >>>>> >>>>> Given that only one of the above is ever going to be done. >>> >> Snip David's helpful list of the differences. >>> >>> I would say OOXML first choice, ODF second choice. We have been moving >>> away from RTF recently and favouring OOXML (.docx). >>> >>> This would be useful for us. We'd want to buy OP upgrades with an >>> export to one of these formats. I assume it could apply to both the RO >>> and Win versions. >>> >> I would disagree, ODT would be the best choice, since Libre Office / >> Open Office can output in doc (several flavours back to W6), docx, >> html, xml, and also export directly to pdf (great for those who can't >> install a virtual pdf printer driver) > That's OK if a naive user of Word (i.e. most of them) can open the > document by double-clicking it. > Word can open HTML, but not by double-click. (Menu, edit.) I don't > know about ODT. current versions of Word can import ODT file natively, Microsoft had to agree to this to get there ooXML agreed as a standard. I would support ODT first and OOXML second. -- Chris Hughes Come to the Wakefield Show - 28th April 2012 http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 2 18:17:51 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEkmt-2Os000-05-Anw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:17:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEkmt-2Os000-05-Anw; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:11:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEkmt-2Os000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:11:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEkmm-0004t4-B0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:11:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F952EBAD9D; 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Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B12F5EBA43A for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from armini.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-212-8.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.212.8]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q32HB0BW029083 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:11:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:10:48 +0100 Message-ID: <6ef9337a52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <5279f2e20cdave@triffid.co.uk> <201204021252.32425.deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk> <5f20197a52.ewen@iyonix.timebus.co.uk> <36141.87.112.101.222.1333371609.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <36141.87.112.101.222.1333371609.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1156 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 2 Apr 2012 "Dave Lawton" wrote: > On Mon, 2 April, 2012 1:17 pm, Ewen Pring wrote: >> >>> On Monday 02 Apr 2012 12:10:41 David Pilling wrote: >>>> >>>> If I was to do document export, what would be the best format HTML, >>>> RTF, >>>> MS Word, or some sort of XML variant as used by Open Office. >>>> >>>> Given that only one of the above is ever going to be done. >> > Snip David's helpful list of the differences. >> >> I would say OOXML first choice, ODF second choice. We have been moving >> away from RTF recently and favouring OOXML (.docx). >> >> This would be useful for us. We'd want to buy OP upgrades with an >> export to one of these formats. I assume it could apply to both the RO >> and Win versions. >> > I would disagree, ODT would be the best choice, since Libre Office / > Open Office can output in doc (several flavours back to W6), docx, > html, xml, and also export directly to pdf (great for those who can't > install a virtual pdf printer driver) I would certainly prefer ODT, but then I gave up using Word a long time ago. However, two potential problems, for Microsoft users rather than for us. Firstly, I think older versions of Word, and there are a lot of people out there still use them, don't import ODT. There are converters, but how many of the "click, and if it doesn't work, complain" brigade would know about them? Secondly, and this has been discussed on the EasiWriter list, one of Microsoft's recent security updates has made Windows put up a warning when users try to open a file that wasn't created in a genuine Microsoft Office program. They say that this is because malware has been transmitted this way, but I wonder... I send quite a lot of Word files, created in either EasiWriter or LibreOffice, to Windows users, and have taken to warning them about this. So far, no negative feedback. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Hf \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ __ __ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 2 18:47:52 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SElKz-2pCVbs-02-AFq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:47:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SElKz-2pCVbs-02-AFq; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:46:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SElKz-2pCVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:46:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SElKs-00003u-P0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:46:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2345EBAFD6; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:46:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333388792; bh=qEMxMVpHEitDKEhL1rh+823a8bSS/Mq2KMKndfJw BEU=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=QLhJDkYBP9J6KR1UZ1VrcWkdT3EiC YiphS4NDsMFNRowRmRcco4EWA/u3n3QPfTgCP1tG+OEL74j+CxmkjeqB02guDfEJWke 1Hmtk5/mbRTRcooCjOQ1w37vmulR5wqrnZMwYFKOu2vhC1ApMYLKbg5e6RP+2319tVJ NH2DxOjQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lF6zcJkXgbKm; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2CA2CEBAFE2; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:46:19 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333388791; bh=qEMxMVpHEitDKEhL1rh+823a8bSS/Mq2KMKndfJw BEU=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=QiFbaW46JLRZ1TKPU1eKvEqY5YwRy yJSi8nHTPyD/xXWArGEN3D1V5s2DT8tg0Frl4x5bH7uv+8w+bxLqnnDtQg71BJeWEC/ 57fA+wA2Md+Du5euXxMihtECweBsNBndFd1lIWzCxkgDyA7WBjfQ7CETKaGIwRWE9aq qHb78+7Q= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Apr 2012 13:46:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0303BEBAFE6 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:46:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tc+hgzfoi9PQ for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1675BEBAFE2 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 13:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SElKX-0003xH-ZB for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:46:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:44:37 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <5279f2e20cdave@triffid.co.uk> <201204021252.32425.deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk> <5f20197a52.ewen@iyonix.timebus.co.uk> <36141.87.112.101.222.1333371609.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1157 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Clive=20 Bonsall writes >But (David) are you proposing EXPORT only or also IMPORT =E2=80=A6 and for= both >OP and OPW? Par for the course would be to do import and then get fed up... Seriously it would be good to do some sort of useful export. Pick a=20 simple subset of the features of OP and limit ones ambitions. If I stuck to the transloader system then it would be trivial to do=20 versions for Win and RISC OS (I think that is what happened with the=20 mark 2 RTF importer). I like the way some people above are talking about pictures, so now I am=20 writing a Draw to Windows Meta file convertor as well (maybe SVG for=20 open office) - it summarises the difficulties. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 2 20:02:54 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEmSW-2oIknw-03-98J.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:02:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEmSW-2oIknw-03-98J; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:58:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEmSW-2oIknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:58:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEmSS-0005jI-MR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:58:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12EC3EBA7C5; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:58:19 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333393099; bh=2dz2kxvhmVsbtUIiv3FrOj9VeqxEv61JZdBFOC38 u+o=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=wSNwFbNP/9EOc524yearvMp55xYcAcwi8XRVlo3lNJVI2Uj0DZ 5zJLnFogyJbEQpO0rZ7NMeGE4rDh6CoeMQfs0/wGic/UXyq19o7YItEOk3jgqW03Oll vmWSyoKUPlP0uOWmJzhdpvYomw2hzKygzrj+NFE8935UKl3PVFgzFs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xVEt3o3BnFs8; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F76DEBA499; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:58:05 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333393098; bh=2dz2kxvhmVsbtUIiv3FrOj9VeqxEv61JZdBFOC38 u+o=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=AELcqvoOmQL6TVvVcBc/UeRzqIYwwbaYMGpGHKchozeqmnojek KJvF1pWCMSW988Y+dKwRSlKcu3+4KXwwqRdwmfyPeDROeBp9esT9REOHy1XcaHP5ekB W0mhvrukcTRs3MR7xxz0VoOfrwo1yFTQWAlnNnZB9Ny+q/Dl9Bfbls= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:58:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57A73EBA719 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:58:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YRFH-zSJ-0RL for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9272EBA499 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([109.176.191.112]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q32Ivwpa031911 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:58:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 19:56:32 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] The failings of OvPro Message-ID: <527a3da7aadave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <52798fe919chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5279f2e20cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1159 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > If I was to do document export, what would be the best format HTML, RTF, > MS Word, or some sort of XML variant as used by Open Office. > Given that only one of the above is ever going to be done. It's interesting that Open Office Writer will display the MakeRTF files out of OvPro (mostly) correctly, which can then be directly Saved as Word files. If you were to do a document exporter... Now that is a poser. Most of the stuff I need it for is quite simple, thus the RTF route, but SWMBO writes books as well, each of which obviously has a somewhat more complex layout. MS Word exporter would be excellent but does limit the use, considering a number of other folks now use OO and similar rather than Word. My personal preference would be RTF, but as so many others would gain from an OO converter, I guess that would be my second choice. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 2 20:02:54 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEmSZ-1QvGPo-02-98G.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:02:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEmSZ-1QvGPo-02-98G; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:58:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEmSZ-1QvGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:58:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEmSK-0005XS-0L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:58:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BBECEBA7A8; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:58:18 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333393098; bh=EaPSX4jOHOm3wJZODaZld9sWwgzit2fU8C4go7VH ZN0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=riL/PD 3zzzHzTAtHS96v7V1FWmf2afiLzuiy1zsXCUDgmNSVDoPT8u01yO4X9RbFaP1xtX7M5 U8duOTL+2S7gZGzEFfih/bCF7TE83jU9Xkn9Y/o1SdTIpRjpNB4svjX4s/vmxL8jFrE QWfBw93u+rVQ+XalOoEEILgk3IztNGE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ar1WtOtp9i5w; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8D4AEBA6E9; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:58:04 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333393097; bh=EaPSX4jOHOm3wJZODaZld9sWwgzit2fU8C4go7VH ZN0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=BprNVW veSHQ3e3ZzCnGeWUAub+QM5TJnJ81C0wDNotnhldq3uu/BPTA4uJR2nnPG34eqmpFG5 NMMB962s2QJpHMPTnd3bbJuPsJMyCzrd7PEGIGSUhxsvStUbXM0l7OwCTqv7OsGqBxD dE2jUztQipQETG9Ab7rzMFRDwULy/Bo= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:58:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B82FEBA70E for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:58:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7IKKAEoHcELw for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C99CDEBA499 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([109.176.191.112]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q32IvwpY031911 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:57:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 19:45:29 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Message-ID: <527a3ca48adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6ef9337a52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <5279f2e20cdave@triffid.co.uk> <201204021252.32425.deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk> <5f20197a52.ewen@iyonix.timebus.co.uk> <36141.87.112.101.222.1333371609.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <6ef9337a52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1158 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <6ef9337a52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young wrote: [Snippy] > Firstly, I think older versions of Word, and there are a lot of people > out there still use them, don't import ODT. There are converters, but > how many of the "click, and if it doesn't work, complain" brigade > would know about them? Indeedy, we have both Word 2002 and Word 2007 and as the ribbon UI of Word 2007 is so awful (I re-edited the expletive out of that) we just don't use it and have reverted to 2002. As you note 2007 will load in .ODT files, but 2002 will not, but then again OO will Save out as Word files anyway, so don't save as ODT. Aside from OO itself, I can't say I've seen a stand-alone ODT to Word converter. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 2 20:32:55 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEmpW-3ozknw-07-8lJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:32:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEmpW-3ozknw-07-8lJ; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 19:22:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEmpW-3ozknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 19:22:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEmpH-0000S8-1a for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 19:22:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 766B8EBB01D; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:21:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333394504; bh=cOex15zCK4H+1iMNrdlqkBNdbFSchtc6/kbHaUNN yYM=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=oCf8qesPOZk9BWCVwobQ6nmwMsbsl4SIdiDH+aWx GGoCKgNf9pDRpaQt3zCUpwwmONBZz4lNnOV6KdwoNpNFtlkDU8ZUoT72dBhsuE/TrUx XJnz7FSw/6Sm341L8BHORUIuTP2qKWCtcc5CLmt/weguGqpGuyGQa+1P51ZCNw54= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h4oX08F+B0GG; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4ECA5EBA84D; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:21:31 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333394503; bh=cOex15zCK4H+1iMNrdlqkBNdbFSchtc6/kbHaUNN yYM=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=Axh7iUMjQd+2Y3FHwyLfpuhV7fbg3Z59ngaTn5Be GnJIECMEZ/tKB242iA5xUWNeZgycp38MbHfwYJCpPWTmiRIpkIdxF3zY0RBd7MjUCHu al9kgTkQDvLi5H1oaOqmqf76KOHkuhzfRw+NK/Rl4LTFNNjBG3khKILQKJajCZ84= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:21:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F2C7EBAF42 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:21:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8b+zcC7JMPR0 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B305BEBAE2B for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AMD2. ([82.153.124.237]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q32JLP9X032551 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:21:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 20:21:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Message-ID: <527a3ff171riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <5279f2e20cdave@triffid.co.uk> <201204021252.32425.deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk> <5f20197a52.ewen@iyonix.timebus.co.uk> <36141.87.112.101.222.1333371609.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1160 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message , Clive > Bonsall writes > >But (David) are you proposing EXPORT only or also IMPORT =8C and for both > >OP and OPW? > Par for the course would be to do import and then get fed up... > Seriously it would be good to do some sort of useful export. Pick a > simple subset of the features of OP and limit ones ambitions. > If I stuck to the transloader system then it would be trivial to do > versions for Win and RISC OS (I think that is what happened with > the mark 2 RTF importer). > I like the way some people above are talking about pictures, so now > I am writing a Draw to Windows Meta file convertor as well (maybe > SVG for open office) - it summarises the difficulties. I'm concerned that you're on a hiding to nothing, David. As DTP editor (via OP of course!) of our parish magazine, material is sent to me in many different formats. (I only need the text, but print them out to see whether there's any formattting or deliberate fonts.) I have an oldish version of Word, which deals with the average .doc. But it doesn't accept .docx, so I import these via OpenOffice. My pleas to contributors to send them in the "Save As" format of plain .doc are constantly forgotten, even when I list detailed instructions on how to perform this task. Then there's .wps (Microsoft Works) which neither Word nor OpenOffice would touch. I found a reader for it, but my Spybot threw a fit when it decided this was alien spyware. It's my view that many of Dave's clients are likely not to have a clue about how to tackle an email attachment that doesn't instantly open. "Download OpenOffice? How do I do that?" I hear them asking with incredulity. I suspect that the only version suited to the man-in-the-street is the .pdf, because it doesn't need any jiggery-pokery or investment in cash or time to open it. Michael Harding Rev. Preb. 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Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server1.spellings.net (server1.spellings.net [178.239.169.72]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75985EBB13E for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpc15-croy20-2-0-cust32.croy.cable.virginmedia.com ([82.44.44.33] helo=Shuttle) by server1.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SEn2t-0004Ti-Ri for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 20:36:07 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <5279f2e20cdave@triffid.co.uk> <201204021252.32425.deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk> <5f20197a52.ewen@iyonix.timebus.co.uk> <36141.87.112.101.222.1333371609.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <527a3ff171riscos@mdharding.org.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:36:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-ID: 1SEn2t-0004Ti-Ri X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server1.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goatly.co.uk X-archive-position: 1161 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling M Harding wrote: > I have an oldish version of Word, which deals with the average .doc. > But it doesn't accept .docx, so I import these via OpenOffice. My > pleas to contributors to send them in the "Save As" format of plain > .doc are constantly forgotten, even when I list detailed instructions > on how to perform this task. Have you tried downloading and installing Microsoft's docx converter (http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=3)? That allows Word 2000, 2002 and 2003 to open docx documents. If you're still on Word 95 I guess you're out of luck, but that won't open later Word formats anyway, IIRC. -- Bruce To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 2 21:02:55 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEnNu-0ilVbs-03-GjR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 21:02:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEnNu-0ilVbs-03-GjR; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 19:57:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEnNu-0ilVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 19:57:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEnNm-0004JY-Sh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 19:57:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D6DDEBA840; 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Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 423FFEB9134 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q32JvNJm015963 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:57:23 +0100 Received: from Geraldi5 (cpc1-swin1-0-0-cust525.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com [81.109.90.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q32JvMhw015954 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:57:22 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Gerald Chat" To: References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <5279f2e20cdave@triffid.co.uk> <201204021252.32425.deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk> <5f20197a52.ewen@iyonix.timebus.co.uk> <36141.87.112.101.222.1333371609.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <527a3ff171riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <527a3ff171riscos@mdharding.org.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:57:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-archive-position: 1162 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gerald.chat@abacusline.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling From: "M Harding" Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:21 PM > I suspect that the only version suited to the man-in-the-street > is the .pdf, because it doesn't need any jiggery-pokery or > investment in cash or time to open it. Also, I read somewhere that the later versions of Word will load PDF format files. Gerald To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 2 21:17:56 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEnTb-0wOVbs-07-Gdk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 21:17:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEnTb-0wOVbs-07-Gdk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 20:03:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEnTb-0wOVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 20:03:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEnTW-0005Hd-Cq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 20:03:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 995DBEBB02B; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:03:35 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333397015; bh=MBMEX5IR+5ZqQJl6byOKk/hVGk5BfvIXlYKRex6U VYY=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=G6D0nt 3xPFTMQZkym4yA+FDioy+uOuI9NtBcf1xrvBaJndiaw3l6cLx82iUZyHP17WnIBAnrF g6qMrqH7FcCJRib13pf9x1MeQam+R2z3Ey3Ve2PsmvPlVU8apeTqFUVyd1nnnEWByjP Zq3LAi+2ko/UPKnL2mmnmlG9w+b8by0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6MEyPyXgPCRS; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25531EBB008; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:03:22 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333397014; bh=MBMEX5IR+5ZqQJl6byOKk/hVGk5BfvIXlYKRex6U VYY=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Mh14fq GoOVEvJYZgUBrL0dorYHSIoccigIXyZZCiio7Y3xvwaNwV6BECf8cTqKBsKsYqyfOex Ran+eSLtoktS24F7dy4nfXzofP2NrUKYz96X0a4027vJ/TqltLK2GB8i/g4JwE46qcz foCXGuFxLpSLz/52Xy7u4nGCBO03caQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:03:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00C18EBB201 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:03:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HnIv13nKpoL2 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A572FEBB008 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AMD2. ([82.153.124.237]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q32K3Isb001201 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 21:03:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 20:59:52 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Message-ID: <527a43742ariscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <5279f2e20cdave@triffid.co.uk> <201204021252.32425.deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk> <5f20197a52.ewen@iyonix.timebus.co.uk> <36141.87.112.101.222.1333371609.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusnet.co.uk> <527a3ff171riscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1163 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Bruce Goatly wrote: > M Harding wrote: > > I have an oldish version of Word, which deals with the average > > .doc. But it doesn't accept .docx, so I import these via > > OpenOffice. My pleas to contributors to send them in the "Save > > As" format of plain .doc are constantly forgotten, even when I > > list detailed instructions on how to perform this task. > Have you tried downloading and installing Microsoft's docx > converter > (http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=3)? > That allows Word 2000, 2002 and 2003 to open docx documents. If > you're still on Word 95 I guess you're out of luck, but that won't > open later Word formats anyway, IIRC. It's Word 2000 that I've got. I'll try this then, to avoid giving Spybot a heart attack - thanks. Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 3 13:03:21 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SF2LE-4dI000-03-AId.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 13:03:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SF2LE-4dI000-03-AId; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 11:56:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SF2LE-4dI000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 11:56:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SF2L8-00059O-QL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 11:56:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71548EBA623; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 07:54:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333454072; bh=xbVQB/RLOk5rviOEEX6DJkBvUmDB2tWAwOkrfkj3 niI=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=iYh4jh6VROLZs3+x64eI2c6oTiFoQ qvb9YCsqxJvj3BnbrsQ5hhDKmP/ZA3l4VxnkKi1OpIMyci8HLudW8HUbpOPJJp4g5Ji nCJm/zTiIaUe1FMdiGeHeo9Q6LyiqplIRVtK7GBwdFx1hIa5xSyAbtBhQaBym+QV1yp yxavH26I= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YWC7XooY1cR8; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 07:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70775EBA118; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 07:54:19 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333454071; bh=xbVQB/RLOk5rviOEEX6DJkBvUmDB2tWAwOkrfkj3 niI=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Dasb4Ph/LNaEHvpMhyqtBzYPYX+8d +rPL1N8HvH5N4noHFrXdXLXG5DNl3SXzOvSK+A9WJM6WzQ8pfDbrEU4Oqs1Vtt1oXOK r1W02GZyDgU5aNvZRp9r4lNdC7eto4VxQxbmLt1+UP/m781vW0vf7BgpLCUQgoCRcGw 6z9YHQqw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 03 Apr 2012 07:54:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E26ACEBA0A3 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 07:54:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GpMTG3mwb9cf for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 07:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EBC76EB9F07 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 07:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SF2JS-0007l5-jF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 11:54:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 12:52:38 +0100 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Address and payment changes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1164 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, Cost cutting measures: (1) abandoning the PO Box 22 address (2) changing from World Pay to PayPal for payments I've not done either yet, but they're on the cards. This is a chance for anyone with a compelling reason not to make these changes to step forward. Also first shot in campaign to make people aware of changes. There are a vast number of references to PO box 22, out there, but I was probably paying 20 quid for each item of post last year. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 3 13:33:21 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SF2oA-2O1knw-07-9ph.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 13:33:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SF2oA-2O1knw-07-9ph; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:25:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SF2oA-2O1knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:25:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SF2o5-0007EY-0J for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:25:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF97CEBB235; 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Tue, 3 Apr 2012 08:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (sidious.london.02.net [82.132.130.152]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEF6AEBA588 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 08:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from armini.o2.co.uk (93.97.148.139) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.119.05) (authenticated as mytardis@o2.co.uk) id 4F53FD910442F9B9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 13:17:17 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Address and payment changes To: David Pilling From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:23:45 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1165 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@noonehere.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Cost cutting measures: > (1) abandoning the PO Box 22 address Getting rid of this makes sense. and obviously saves money. > (2) changing from World Pay to PayPal for payments If possible would perfer that not to happen. -- Chris Hughes Come to the Wakefield Show - 28th April 2012 http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 3 13:48:22 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SF37r-2pXGPo-02-9W0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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list davidpilling); Tue, 03 Apr 2012 08:44:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA015EBB6A4 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 08:44:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4-mb5UKeB9Lb for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 08:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03C35EBB67C for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 08:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.97.42.81] (helo=chrision.Cornant) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SF36P-0005Es-Sc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:44:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lists To: David Pilling Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:44:31 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Address and payment changes Message-ID: <527a9f6e73lists@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [88.97.42.81] X-archive-position: 1166 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Chris Hughes wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > (2) changing from World Pay to PayPal for payments > If possible would perfer that not to happen. Why not? PayPal is well known, works well, is transparent and is RISC OS friendly (just ignore the Javascript warnings!). I've been using it for my own business for several years now. People trust it and it works very well. Chris. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 3 14:18:22 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SF3Po-1OP000-06-9E3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:18:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SF3Po-1OP000-06-9E3; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:04:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SF3Po-1OP000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:04:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SF3Pg-0005TD-3N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:04:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CBC1CEBA847; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:04:42 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333458282; bh=p8eLJ7juETJ2KkJbMW9B9zvbgdQN3Fnm/ShBFQgv 61w=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=l/vnKM5dwFNzdQM01e6R9y2Ho6/jmolTjQck6tegW7dWm+4N33 Bvh7GPDJh62V9xKQo8X7hgZuuk/koysHx46SNLEQR22Nm3YUoazwFota73f7meo6bGf WgZmNXN4Z4XKDWedvjVRGu2yrBZZ5elljw2Dxk7cVtKYd5yjaUgm64= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KNu77r-h2JVc; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F789EB96AC; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:04:29 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333458282; bh=p8eLJ7juETJ2KkJbMW9B9zvbgdQN3Fnm/ShBFQgv 61w=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=l/vnKM5dwFNzdQM01e6R9y2Ho6/jmolTjQck6tegW7dWm+4N33 Bvh7GPDJh62V9xKQo8X7hgZuuk/koysHx46SNLEQR22Nm3YUoazwFota73f7meo6bGf WgZmNXN4Z4XKDWedvjVRGu2yrBZZ5elljw2Dxk7cVtKYd5yjaUgm64= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 03 Apr 2012 09:04:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 598CEEBA808 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:04:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IwY67lJ7yMqi for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A657EB96AC for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SF3PO-0006Y1-a1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:04:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:03:08 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Address and payment changes References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1167 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Chris Hughes writes >In message > David Pilling wrote: >> (2) changing from World Pay to PayPal for payments >If possible would perfer that not to happen. I wonder why? I believe you can use a credit card without joining PayPal. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 3 14:18:23 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SF3YY-2Iq000-06-95J.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:18:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SF3YY-2Iq000-06-95J; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:13:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SF3YY-2Iq000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:13:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SF3YR-0006SJ-Nk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:13:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AF06EBB146; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:13:24 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333458804; bh=xV/JLs8xVwJ8/+EhKozqlBQJQhxCEuibd24bcSjZ EaI=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=bFmkOAo9kZGmhAX+0m+K0fQeMosIeTFATcBAFVXramVGrpTTFk tnozfpi8zGkzXFbL2uuQz52o+pEAPDnfCni9Wc4oR1CGt1KWmXidXRCR55qiqP6nMD/ uh5QlMrLAbRKtm1rzjmGNhRY0Ou4Yzgz0WIlYc866VxEZ9hWrEenTo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P3bpC7I29lBy; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0AD39EBA8EA; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:13:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333458803; bh=xV/JLs8xVwJ8/+EhKozqlBQJQhxCEuibd24bcSjZ EaI=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=xtV1IUnTTQT496V0fvcL+D9HENy4MQaI5EfuUGP+TMLsOuaLdA euSDbaw4jaXh7zA6RTFpZPqL8/Qso6lBBtDzXEtHiH86tHy824OQ7h//uPbAwB1ix5E LC6res28DLV31rUB4HZuQVjuXf/cS4OQv7tbHdrB7j4BGolBehkBCc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 03 Apr 2012 09:13:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D21FEEBA8D8 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:13:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Avjp7tVniwgF for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0948EBA913 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([109.176.166.188]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q33DCuk6002222 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:12:56 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Address and payment changes To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 14:12:43 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1168 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message , Chris Hughes > writes >>In message >> David Pilling wrote: >>> (2) changing from World Pay to PayPal for payments >>If possible would perfer that not to happen. > I wonder why? I believe you can use a credit card without joining > PayPal. You can. And Paypal don't make any extra charges to the buyer. They deduct approx 5% from the amount passed to the seller. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 3 14:48:23 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SF3rR-46F000-06-8mQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:48:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SF3rR-46F000-06-8mQ; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:33:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SF3rR-46F000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:33:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SF3rN-0001HR-Q7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:33:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A42FEEBB57B; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:33:19 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333459999; bh=ahvIoODH5Wbj7J5cD4HDNTShYaMUBqPujK9jODOx xPA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=rDpTt5yNbiSVevP5ama84+S/U95WZCnU9OIka5A5r4tgn7ri6a cnTCBoiwJgKw+80nuOql4qu9Z961Uo8CbAjugTXfRZ+oEXKbK0k7kaNJDJX7z39BhKg ztonPuviHqfbo3Wa493QbaEY7EOf+O+qZSlk3FMFYqMFh3aqy01FdE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qaeGfG1El5ST; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 476F9EBB53B; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:33:06 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333459998; bh=ahvIoODH5Wbj7J5cD4HDNTShYaMUBqPujK9jODOx xPA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=hc/LFTrO5ds1fJ75DFVGLiJv3tLzjVe540Wa74iruTzRkeYwL2 vmoW8fq4TEvOYRsuD0kykyYtJ/CdkTjyfQDAaKg3WOa4O2Q/+UWfI/e5iyfLfur45Qr NQ1bNOj//gDyratzQ+IHW4wShW4zy1ZkY6clAFaKIoo55jg6+0nuLs= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 03 Apr 2012 09:33:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FFB5EBB235 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:33:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tpMhnmzd7++R for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 787C1EBAEE5 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SF3qh-0004lO-gD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:32:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:31:15 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Address and payment changes References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1169 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message , Alan Adams writes >You can. And Paypal don't make any extra charges to the buyer. They >deduct approx 5% from the amount passed to the seller. Roughly the same as World Pay (but WP have a big annual charge too). There's not much reason for physical media anymore - once the Ovation Pro manuals are gone I will be distributing software electronically. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 3 16:48:31 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SF5rn-3MCknw-05-FIa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 16:48:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SF5rn-3MCknw-05-FIa; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 15:41:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SF5rn-3MCknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 15:41:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SF5rl-00067G-Eh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 15:41:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9065EBB47C; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:41:51 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333467711; bh=cxJGRpoP2UfAvRpxy0jX5UFY5PRJHU7SeM0J6Rfg Zg0=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=lU/n2r6vs+ABm4sAyjmCfahHfOwWT3jF6nrb9xwdz1BsOuyaRd KQ/nPdCunJBDSbCx9zicDrPEskWaALsYIeYDuf7aEG1FlRjFgnKoXqx7zlJr/bfSP2q LSNtLAWknZ9GzKu6YjQ/uP0VC2dHBa2VJAr1FFO+fdQLkVlkc1htjo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mIWhli8nKIt7; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A67BAEB8BF5; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:41:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333467711; bh=cxJGRpoP2UfAvRpxy0jX5UFY5PRJHU7SeM0J6Rfg Zg0=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=lU/n2r6vs+ABm4sAyjmCfahHfOwWT3jF6nrb9xwdz1BsOuyaRd KQ/nPdCunJBDSbCx9zicDrPEskWaALsYIeYDuf7aEG1FlRjFgnKoXqx7zlJr/bfSP2q LSNtLAWknZ9GzKu6YjQ/uP0VC2dHBa2VJAr1FFO+fdQLkVlkc1htjo= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 03 Apr 2012 11:41:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7932FEBB3F2 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:41:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c3srPHrFWLdq for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (sidious.london.02.net [82.132.130.152]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91120EB8BF5 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from armini.o2.co.uk (93.97.148.139) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.119.05) (authenticated as mytardis@o2.co.uk) id 4F53FD91044BCA8B for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 16:33:22 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Address and payment changes To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 16:41:14 +0100 Message-ID: <7e9caf7a52.chris@o2.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.04S) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1170 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@noonehere.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Alan Adams > writes >>You can. And Paypal don't make any extra charges to the buyer. They >>deduct approx 5% from the amount passed to the seller. > Roughly the same as World Pay (but WP have a big annual charge too). > There's not much reason for physical media anymore - once the Ovation > Pro manuals are gone I will be distributing software electronically. In that case just change to Paypal. I personally don't trust paypal, but thats probably just me. -- Chris Hughes Come to the Wakefield Show - 28th April 2012 http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 3 19:03:33 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SF7yN-07y000-04-DC0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 19:03:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SF7yN-07y000-04-DC0; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 17:56:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SF7yN-07y000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 17:56:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SF7yK-0003G2-Tp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 17:56:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 028AAEBB646; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 13:56:47 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333475807; bh=HyBnztANBXdahXs/82OAb5j3uHDqARnZxNteyKWv aVU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=GsPYY494l1FnY39ZL52jZpztK+3LiKtW4+SfU7OEjBVcegesDD snEXynCscK4BFZDtBr5ZgR1R7jbLSbwlXlhvbRBawyQ++6C2qCxtb7BKsF9Wt4O+OJp vbgJnH9WtHNhrbXPt2b615ryNFJ3wMeuEdY5RG/JyLeCN7xxHcYVSw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fahdGw0I4UHc; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 13:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9EDAEBB63F; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 13:56:33 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333475806; bh=HyBnztANBXdahXs/82OAb5j3uHDqARnZxNteyKWv aVU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=a9rm0wZBvMTAUXas+EIuIgdEli6XhTdzV68p6p75zAnaie7if0 91abxQbIYLbWN3ejFznW+qPy/BsLfiB/Bgu2cL0A0+ZGqnjVKnOigOx+A8SUozFW9k1 edJ0bDH8xlPdUOH55epTdEIVuvpQaSQZAulVdMCQrKcZJ9X+/aAzn4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:56:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAEB8EBB630 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 13:56:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZArX9YQOPx-k for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 13:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-msapost-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-msapost-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.180]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16C3DEBB63F for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 13:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 93-96-233-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk ([93.96.233.85] helo=freds-mac.local) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtpsa (AUTH ypical) (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) id 1SF7y3-0001xW-Yp for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 17:56:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 18:56:29 +0100 From: Frederick Bambrough To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Address and payment changes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: @ypical ink User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.69.2.3801 (Qt/4.7.4) (Mac-OS/10.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1171 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fred@ypical.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > In message , Chris Hughes > writes > >In message > > David Pilling wrote: > >> (2) changing from World Pay to PayPal for payments > >If possible would perfer that not to happen. > > I wonder why? I believe you can use a credit card without joining > PayPal. Works for me. They get paid via my CC, no other contact. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 3 19:48:33 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SF8aY-1qN000-04-CZp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 19:48:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SF8aY-1qN000-04-CZp; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 18:36:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SF8aY-1qN000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 18:36:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SF8aR-00076R-U5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Apr 2012 18:36:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12BD8EBAADE; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:36:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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03 Apr 2012 18:35:51 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <40F85ABB0660472AA976253B45C58B63@JOHN> From: "J LEEMING" To: References: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Address and payment changes Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 19:36:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-archive-position: 1172 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jleeming231@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: "David Pilling" Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 12:52 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Address and payment changes > Hi, > > Cost cutting measures: > > (1) abandoning the PO Box 22 address > > (2) changing from World Pay to PayPal for payments Both changes fine by me. John Leeming. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 5 12:23:59 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SFb0g-1OUVbs-05-9jF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:23:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SFb0g-1OUVbs-05-9jF; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 00:57:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SFb0g-1OUVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 00:57:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SFb0e-0005WG-3n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 00:57:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04E88EBBAEB; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:57:05 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333587425; bh=Czac61VS/+gWyu94QkCmt7MTtutbyfm9wdYj0tjE kfg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=ver9ItBEiwiLdQ1l6VTjnbkBgr3bPDlK+8XMRUxF8kLFzPZzKE E+kjy+T+dQlzWfeOeJ4/PzP8XLetbmgH4z2336K/rPZwkMKng68hnDHB01qifdPwAfe C804kca9v7YxRVMQdl1YD9KmQ+2P/VNbJXj/qdEndJggn1i8Xp2GYg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MjdVCxo7JCUF; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89319EBB414; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:56:51 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333587424; bh=Czac61VS/+gWyu94QkCmt7MTtutbyfm9wdYj0tjE kfg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=XP399B/5EgBBT7hDUdf8SgCuxdpjP+A+xp1rt8ZZGUyL8Q2mTU 1CV4Ti46UsIBOySvfDUFwIqIM7MCHKs1+hlTE2NhI6HcBJ8d4JnOyiKBWK1LE5vCptv U+yu31h7wWIbRziYxvx5T2xAb6c9/DStBIFd7j51Wf6InbVcQgBFeE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:56:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D09BEBBA9E for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:56:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ctwpYK1tDmg0 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avasout06.plus.net (avasout06.plus.net [212.159.14.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88507EBB414 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([90.201.24.66]) by avasout06 with smtp id u0wn1i0051RZtX6010woj4; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 01:56:49 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=KqrPKBqN c=1 sm=1 a=fJSqpm/DV21JtEqq4lfU5w==:17 a=Bsb2GI76V5gA:10 a=b6iBVyACkRsA:10 a=ZkHWUxPWGHwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=cFVgxdPbAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=v6Aic-fSAAAA:8 a=NT4bidIZdk44THLQVhwA:9 a=qigfDNUBtgxOReOpzcMA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SMhshsXvcj4A:10 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=V8-eauvdNniwloX3:21 a=at-HUnRvOgMk7AmO:21 a=fJSqpm/DV21JtEqq4lfU5w==:117 X-AUTH: southfarm:2500 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 01:55:11 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Address and payment changes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7e9caf7a52.chris@o2.co.uk> References: <7e9caf7a52.chris@o2.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.69.2.3801 (Qt/4.7.4) (Mac-OS/10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1173 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 3 Apr at 16:41, Chris Hughes wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > > In message , Alan > > Adams writes > > > You can. And Paypal don't make any extra charges to the buyer. > > > They deduct approx 5% from the amount passed to the seller. > > > Roughly the same as World Pay (but WP have a big annual charge too). > > > There's not much reason for physical media anymore - once the > > Ovation Pro manuals are gone I will be distributing software > > electronically. > > In that case just change to Paypal. > > I personally don't trust paypal, but thats probably just me. I share your lack of trust but have slowly adopted a policy of allowing no firm permission to repeat debit my credit card or bank account. That is apart from direct debits which the bank has to stop whenever I so instruct them. The bank will not stop recurring debits from a credit card company, not without a Big Fuss that is. "Once bitten is twice Shy." But using a credit card through PayPal does not involve any repeat debit authority so should be OK. Certainly I've had no problem so far. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 5 12:24:24 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SFi8X-0nnVbs-04-B7u.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:24:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SFi8X-0nnVbs-04-B7u; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 08:33:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SFi8X-0nnVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 08:33:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SFi8S-0004ZY-MS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 08:33:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27F94EBB935; 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Thu, 5 Apr 2012 04:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 08:29:08 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Address and payment changes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <7e9caf7a52.chris@o2.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1174 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > But using a credit card through PayPal does not involve any repeat debit > authority so should be OK. Certainly I've had no problem so far. It's also possible to tell PayPal the details of a bank account and have them debit that immediately, which - once it's set up - gives you the certainty that a payment really has been made more or less instantly. This process is done via a DD instruction, which - of course - you can cancel if you need to. There are two things about PayPal which irritate me. The first is that in the emails they send they continue to claim that I can tell those are genuinely from them because they address me by my name. PayPal don't seem to understand that this is not a secret. The second is that I'd really prefer to be able to keep my PayPal login credentials completely secret to the rest of the world. But I can't because one half of them is "my PayPal email address" which is known by all sorts of recipients of my money and (of course) by anyone who needs to send me money. As a consequence I change this address pretty frequently. If I'm going to use PayPal to send money to some organisation that's previously spammed an older PayPal address I often use the PayPal option that lets you send money without being logged in, even though it's more hassle to do so. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 5 12:24:25 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SFiiz-4U9Vbs-07-AXS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:24:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SFiiz-4U9Vbs-07-AXS; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 09:11:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SFiiz-4U9Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 09:11:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SFiit-0004nN-EO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Thu, 5 Apr 2012 05:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gilbert.netweaver.co.uk (gilbert.netweaver.co.uk [77.240.9.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52A26EBB7C6 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 05:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpc8-heme10-2-0-cust21.9-1.cable.virginmedia.com ([82.21.242.22]:51683 helo=[192.168.0.9]) by gilbert.netweaver.co.uk with esmtpsa (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SFiiV-003ZlS-MC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 10:10:55 +0100 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:10:48 +0100 From: John Sandford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Address and payment changes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <7e9caf7a52.chris@o2.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gilbert.netweaver.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - thesandfords.me.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-archive-position: 1175 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@thesandfords.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > I share your lack of trust but have slowly adopted a policy of allowing no > firm permission to repeat debit my credit card or bank account. That is > apart from direct debits which the bank has to stop whenever I so instruct > them. The bank will not stop recurring debits from a credit card company, > not without a Big Fuss that is. "Once bitten is twice Shy." > > But using a credit card through PayPal does not involve any repeat debit > authority so should be OK. Certainly I've had no problem so far. > I use a pay as you go credit card with Paypal/other online payments, which of course only has access to funds you have loaded it with and cannot be abused, has a small cost 2.75 percent, but separates them from your bank accounts etc. John -- John Sandford home To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 5 12:24:25 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SFiv6-1PMGPo-05-ALL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:24:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SFiv6-1PMGPo-05-ALL; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 09:23:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SFiv6-1PMGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 09:23:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SFiv2-0003CW-3X for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 09:23:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AD34EBB837; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 05:23:48 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333617828; bh=Uhl0/GvY4SK41WSPJrPskpXDYDqYR9qOBPk72Zgi ZQA=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=W2DyvkayEkA9FrIF6/H8j+1vLRPIScjcLvhrtjS9ER9OZtEHex 6uNYSDyF2jy5svTeK9BJmQ4AphTZ1UQ8F5Nrhj6OeC8smxusQQD+7LbgRWp/jvgPh56 qdWDOJiYdbquB6QtDhEyzL536y/2rX6Qo2d4hrfQGdJCR0qlk5Nuc0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yu7Y5MCBhOAl; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 05:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4EC1BEBB8D6; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 05:23:35 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333617827; bh=Uhl0/GvY4SK41WSPJrPskpXDYDqYR9qOBPk72Zgi ZQA=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=ggXoNYf1CXXFf/AwDz71IqiegMGinaq7nSB795BRfaJ6unHOSW F10ru9+THV/CIWRX3PBZWikUj7xWtyKKI78WQS7nBzko9ANZKsXv/cTK6EVsqdTMXPn oRNg0FHFsGHjvTuJs0ejPG4DAXcFc6xL33/pC4GJPmQEWzpi2z7jTM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Apr 2012 05:23:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DECAEBC01A for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 05:23:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6zX6t-u4T2Gs for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 05:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1ED6EBB8D6 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 05:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from armini.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-212-8.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.212.8]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q359NO4l017290 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:23:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Address and payment changes To: David Pilling From: Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 10:22:57 +0100 Message-ID: <55a6947b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1176 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 3 Apr 2012 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Cost cutting measures: > (1) abandoning the PO Box 22 address > (2) changing from World Pay to PayPal for payments > I've not done either yet, but they're on the cards. This is a chance for > anyone with a compelling reason not to make these changes to step > forward. Also first shot in campaign to make people aware of changes. > There are a vast number of references to PO box 22, out there, but I was > probably paying 20 quid for each item of post last year. Regardless of how people would like to pay, there's potentially good news here, I think. It looks as if David is not only thinking about development, but is at last thinking about being paid for it. The latter of these is about time too! He's too long been prepared to develop things from the mere goodness of his heart. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Hf \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ __ __ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 5 12:53:37 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SFlA8-0DzGPo-07-Gcp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:53:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SFlA8-0DzGPo-07-Gcp; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 11:47:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SFlA8-0DzGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 11:47:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SFlA5-00053D-Nm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 11:47:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82A39EBC1F9; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:47:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333626452; bh=hD+6Y2c3dz9Z/OW9JGONtVHd2jITMEt3ipKWnx9Y 6lk=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=h7at9P9akqCLsQZH2qri8x98GiFh84fcCG0CqzkCM7AWZPeHFG Z3Rkxr0ztjOMyjw3gMmW9c5OfeY0E9d/elqx+qN4BlVDrox48OiKrFN9jCUjxK+KW5i SF/u3fcdrrkgti+/h6wIPNJ6kpSV5/jyfEEwsdJnE169LudtbwCQls= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OBUOmr7OU1eh; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A1DBEBC07B; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:47:19 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333626451; bh=hD+6Y2c3dz9Z/OW9JGONtVHd2jITMEt3ipKWnx9Y 6lk=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Kt9gVdE4k5xf67YTmCpqnKv4u5xJNu3G1NVVhGcprQzb/4QZZQ U5OnAba67yvnWneguwi66pTwdFIk8at5f1rmrUzRNZHO9RXiPSbCXFxUfnUZzEtr87a FPdfiPKN3a/zkaSZIgwYul4pDOPj3ohd1tRf7slWmDBgM4M9mt+/6E= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Apr 2012 07:47:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03E7DEBC143 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:47:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XnOszPeSnKsi for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A4BAEBC07B for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SFl9m-0005e8-kV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 11:47:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:45:39 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Address and payment changes References: <55a6947b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <55a6947b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1177 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, Some interesting comments about PayPal - for everyone who has to use it. I was wondering if someone would say "what are we going to pay for" - nothing as far as I know. These changes are another step in the miserable retreat from the glory days of the 1990's. Plan B is to accept 'bit coins'. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 5 16:38:43 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SFodj-2Sd000-03-D9E.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:38:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SFodj-2Sd000-03-D9E; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:30:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SFodj-2Sd000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:30:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SFodJ-0004sX-Eu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:30:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED00EEBBB0D; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:27:25 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333639645; bh=83+QVAOEXFrLjM8oeRCbXVSGnfkW7qhfGzA2juk6 fK8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=rGT4b7 OV/bNURqrY7sVJJDwQvYPrnHQM0t8X5KF5Lp7ztuwC6qFJRjAw8qbw8vxG/1P2Rk2Bn QYV9QTgBm7GfDhm/IhvXpkEtAhrHTPPUGDKPknZnLuHG2buwl/h++qct0P5QxlTl7er wg+ItYzm2QrYZLWJNJ0+iZFFEz2YQvs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UAEm-nonCa1Z; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6F80EBB6D3; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:27:12 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333639645; bh=83+QVAOEXFrLjM8oeRCbXVSGnfkW7qhfGzA2juk6 fK8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=rGT4b7 OV/bNURqrY7sVJJDwQvYPrnHQM0t8X5KF5Lp7ztuwC6qFJRjAw8qbw8vxG/1P2Rk2Bn QYV9QTgBm7GfDhm/IhvXpkEtAhrHTPPUGDKPknZnLuHG2buwl/h++qct0P5QxlTl7er wg+ItYzm2QrYZLWJNJ0+iZFFEz2YQvs= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Apr 2012 11:27:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62399EBBAE5 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:27:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tK1+WBST0vcJ for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20EBFEBB6D3 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.106.209]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q35FQJjc030166 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:26:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 16:02:46 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Address and payment changes Message-ID: <527bb3c2a2dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <55a6947b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1178 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Some interesting comments about PayPal - for everyone who has to use it. > I was wondering if someone would say "what are we going to pay for" - > nothing as far as I know. These changes are another step in the > miserable retreat from the glory days of the 1990's. > Plan B is to accept 'bit coins'. No Mr P., We are getting ready to point some lolly in your direction when the OvPro SaveAS RTF, ODT, XYZ or whatever is done and ready for distribution. ;-) Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 5 16:38:44 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SFokG-3Me000-04-D2h.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:38:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SFokG-3Me000-04-D2h; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:37:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SFokG-3Me000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:37:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SFok9-000418-Vj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:37:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5621EEBBF3B; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:36:54 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333640214; bh=WgE+ktVd5Nk8v8+38CHs4nVb98FNZzfUaYbLuJor ARE=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=oLMH2nK0S4h6vedosvgM5rxqWPiNYrxafM66ZdGD3cno8VJkE4 HDKQh3GvVX1SYzPt/u8qOm3Ohysi23ZNTdME6ufVBP9Ar7LPnq0TpF+RNWUjvkdylDd kO0llEYIl5grILlxFpheqO/MZt//b0t/W7yj1oNluPbivLAju/l8d8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KI0vGMPRJsyB; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B4BAEBBDF1; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:36:41 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333640213; bh=WgE+ktVd5Nk8v8+38CHs4nVb98FNZzfUaYbLuJor ARE=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=aTgrPukYkMbFbUvse8lbxBmqzIPqdlKHkIJEPSHaF81ykKCCBB BsTouteTUkOFLwT+gDBYl9Z+nMvtRsYtMlJuG4fXFLVAblWiGqIZEtSvkT8NyxjoLRz E2LDBLnapz9b0brHqsLBY3CqSh+9HqlnxFeRd4V976Hurocpe+rE4g= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Apr 2012 11:36:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01CC6EBBF3B for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:36:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zYBx7WvcOIo1 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC9C4EBBDF1 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from armini.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-212-8.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.212.8]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q35FaEeS030481 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:36:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Address and payment changes To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 16:36:12 +0100 Message-ID: <78d2b67b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <55a6947b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <527bb3c2a2dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <527bb3c2a2dave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1179 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 5 Apr 2012 Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >> Hi, >> Some interesting comments about PayPal - for everyone who has to use it. >> I was wondering if someone would say "what are we going to pay for" - >> nothing as far as I know. These changes are another step in the >> miserable retreat from the glory days of the 1990's. >> Plan B is to accept 'bit coins'. > No Mr P., We are getting ready to point some lolly in your direction when > the OvPro SaveAS RTF, ODT, XYZ or whatever is done and ready for > distribution. ;-) Hear, hear! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Hf \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ __ __ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 5 17:38:43 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SFpY8-2AAGPo-02-CEp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:38:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SFpY8-2AAGPo-02-CEp; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 16:28:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SFpY8-2AAGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 16:28:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SFpXy-0002zi-TW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 16:28:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24BD6EB8F3D; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:24:48 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333643088; bh=t0RjElVlLc4+0vnGehEgVA0Eg6mcyvoXEOH8XFcn Zdc=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=hLd0kU 1vg9uOcyU1EbyPmETp/OHfLR3IDzecCX35fhYm6zFPMwfGN3xr1a8/gnGwLCFcWKyEQ hG/UN+N7fINhIw9P90d/7a4F0ntA2S30WsajeofaEBbVk5B0D81Q8LUiaTSrhM+kdan vNCpK84ucMeUTEadWppguGdn90AWrMA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6K9JNYwKQDQf; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9FE6EB8D08; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:24:34 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333643087; bh=t0RjElVlLc4+0vnGehEgVA0Eg6mcyvoXEOH8XFcn Zdc=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=I6ouDY nBm7UW10oOJkZcutcIgsAiUL3DPmjVzO/qgx/pxwHUgQJDXwkchSbMRsgUi9i+iITTO u0BAvMR/eTOfc5jfteDWQRmmfX9xAWccMOsT0ri5NgBo7T7yAnps+dSNYvatEmkXOFl HMFV9eIWEkQVBhRtNWIKCUGPk+vlT9I= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Apr 2012 12:24:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA541EB8DD4 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:24:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WqKhWeBDr61Z for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4383DEB8D08 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AMD2. ([82.153.121.5]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q35GOEo1031961 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:24:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 17:24:41 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Address and payment changes Message-ID: <527bbb42d6riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <78d2b67b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <55a6947b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <527bb3c2a2dave@triffid.co.uk> <78d2b67b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1180 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <78d2b67b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young wrote: > On 5 Apr 2012 Dave Symes wrote: > > In article , > > David Pilling wrote: > >> Hi, > >> Some interesting comments about PayPal - for everyone who has to > >> use it. > >> I was wondering if someone would say "what are we going to pay > >> for" - nothing as far as I know. These changes are another step > >> in the miserable retreat from the glory days of the 1990's. > >> Plan B is to accept 'bit coins'. > > No Mr P., We are getting ready to point some lolly in your > > direction when the OvPro SaveAS RTF, ODT, XYZ or whatever is > > done and ready for distribution. ;-) > Hear, hear! Me too, if a cheque's acceptable. Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 5 21:38:09 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SFtJI-2nJVbs-08-H0B.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 21:38:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SFtJI-2nJVbs-08-H0B; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:29:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SFtJI-2nJVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:29:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SFtJA-0005Du-Sw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:29:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9360DEBB906; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:29:22 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333657762; bh=6sNZnR9TFYnywDjsGth29JOzx3y7jjHm/DUcvPEH N9g=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=QdHe3o+4YOBNvHqs4xKD9GCFpw4po26RINH+Fv5W1IpIe7LGDW oGxyw/p5aZTfywzMv2yQ5BNmBZhX8ZBLr0yK4VriRlAlaBNSwIzfuNrrUCvBuZ1+S8z O+sLWY2dphtMFpIyEwRpiP6kWdPb/An4SzekpS2PyYtRpCxL76W1tw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xPgR9Mbl3t-k; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 561F5EBA064; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:29:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333657761; bh=6sNZnR9TFYnywDjsGth29JOzx3y7jjHm/DUcvPEH N9g=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=LDvRgrJ4CD1fAc0XBaP+ClG7Ze0m1kk7JgR5uvTFW29WwcuZoR P1lKS1za5dooRclnL0Pp46O2ffBJRBEAvDXwE18IxJtkjKCRjOCbFHgXyNz6tzBYMLY EECd9q8/RbRCBX3UtxjJXLR0VICE5O5nJP++SrNppTy5MHT5EyBZ2k= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Apr 2012 16:29:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D7F1EBA22C for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:29:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Si8xAOEfOESL for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A23C8EBA064 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SFtIp-0006zn-iE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:29:07 +0000 Message-ID: <$WKajaGJBgfPFwYe@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 21:27:53 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Address and payment changes References: <55a6947b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <527bb3c2a2dave@triffid.co.uk> <78d2b67b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <527bbb42d6riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <527bbb42d6riscos@mdharding.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1181 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <527bbb42d6riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding writes >Me too, if a cheque's acceptable. Yes cheques will be acceptable, but bear in mind it will be 60 pence for a first class stamp... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 5 21:38:11 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SFtOw-4Hj000-03-GuX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 21:38:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SFtOw-4Hj000-03-GuX; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:35:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SFtOw-4Hj000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:35:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SFtOu-0005ej-2C for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:35:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8ECFEEBBA5B; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:35:22 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333658122; bh=6gAS2I4AKOUM10VpeGGxcVjTeFhuMANCk99Tuo+q PfY=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=UbOom2T/NJ4sSd2KgL7mz79Cl66By Mo53FjB0lsajbWyJFpq9GoHX3eLsWbSFcqfwPdIhA79a6liAmqYnuh4W5AVU/I7YZCh Ag/aJsFNrSFVWvMeTcRqMr25YZ6bRS16nMjT4SIE05ZjM5OyA8zRZHhqrlXC6IPazzf vTByFv/o= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PSb-NxbzLipa; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69782EBB903; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:35:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333658121; bh=6gAS2I4AKOUM10VpeGGxcVjTeFhuMANCk99Tuo+q PfY=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=IIVDQldOXTNc2BU+oXSpmK9JYf1QX M2ActcrESeyUyCyqydiiTFzM/6x8QZYZq12YfNquEhk30pn3jfsdwLb3PdyImPKCIoA xUCN/pvAN0RomvaMiVCAYLiuYlcPhaBF/61HvpeVQTMlfVHF7JrcSjN6HCnkRAJdDUT pt5B4twM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Apr 2012 16:35:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4699DEBB931 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:35:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jpcs+6i8EYD3 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9402EBB903 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SFtOe-0002F7-gh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:35:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 21:34:14 +0100 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] New scanner drivers... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1182 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, I've had an email from Andrew Rawnsley asking how the new scanner driver project is going. Would you like a new scanner driver and for what - it appears that supporting a multifunction device is possible which it never was in the past. Lets say that to make this viable, I have to sell 100 drivers at 20 pounds each. I can see that the day of the scanner has gone, you can probably use a digital camera. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Apr 5 22:53:11 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SFuSz-0CDknw-01-FqU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 22:53:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SFuSz-0CDknw-01-FqU; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 21:43:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SFuSz-0CDknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 21:43:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SFuSv-00042A-CI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 21:43:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F6DCEBC1A5; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:43:35 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333662215; bh=gCxiaYli7AJ+2AoIW7lGqwlh8/rYSNaTosobZi6k wJQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=fZ8USFCwjeKdS1H1MyasdOHkPUkb09BLooeCRXkX23c2e80n59 eAa4GGFCJq1DCkSgrjthy7PIXZqa/6k8fq9RK4mKl4ojP7wnJ2TPNXVzAtRtxr73D1n V4yi+Hmg4x6J6K6JjiRQEikNAt7i+SmvBidSynaMMatLNdv/rnkTgQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W2O9sDFw0j42; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B7AFEBC15E; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:43:22 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333662214; bh=gCxiaYli7AJ+2AoIW7lGqwlh8/rYSNaTosobZi6k wJQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=EVdYr3U4g2Icya7oDNAS8qpTLzbpJYYq8iAmCabkv8uMAXksIl rdwjGDj2AUDljvPex2ME0+/RUk+JOWh1SwsX9oSVORLyth2UzXQm02F2ECpTMbYgZqy q5u3yZldU+k91h+lzHGaIJGGBae/4SrFXKZ+pJWibAbGvfIrYSUvow= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Apr 2012 17:43:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA3D2EBC197 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:43:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1FJxKJX92YxF for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avasout05.plus.net (avasout05.plus.net [84.93.230.250]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F4BFEBC15E for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from standalone.xemik.com ([91.125.243.35]) by avasout05 with smtp id uMjH1i0010mYQQz01MjJVC; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 22:43:18 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Pct9d1dd c=1 sm=1 a=qaP9FjBiibDgaT8sJiLEJA==:17 a=l1sratc5CNwA:10 a=qTORkDIGgP8A:10 a=Vvy1_FAz6tQA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=aWJfat-lAAAA:8 a=R2OTYkJWAAAA:8 a=YLs-sxLQAAAA:8 a=bKMCzSZhAAAA:8 a=idXE2GFnsj0wQ73R_sIA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=EcQXcao8HCYA:10 a=FeDn5ByjUKUA:10 a=Z0ORbi3eoEV198bi:21 a=gPCIiGe1vSmk5q5n:21 a=qaP9FjBiibDgaT8sJiLEJA==:117 X-AUTH: xemik:2500 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 22:30:31 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Address and payment changes Message-ID: <527BD742C7%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <55a6947b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <527bb3c2a2dave@triffid.co.uk> <78d2b67b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <527bbb42d6riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <$WKajaGJBgfPFwYe@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$WKajaGJBgfPFwYe@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 6.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.45, using ZapEmail 0.26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1183 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mik.towse@xemik.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <$WKajaGJBgfPFwYe@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message <527bbb42d6riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding > writes > >Me too, if a cheque's acceptable. > Yes cheques will be acceptable, but bear in mind it will be 60 pence for > a first class stamp... And probably 70p for the recipient to bank it! -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.co.uk/ My writers' site can be found at: http://www.lexis.org.uk xemik.net - cost effective web hosting : http://xemik.net There's no future in time travel To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 6 12:13:26 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SFvOD-3PXknw-07-EvG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:13:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SFvOD-3PXknw-07-EvG; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 22:42:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SFvOD-3PXknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 22:42:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SFvOA-0001kp-35 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 22:42:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 338AFEBC092; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:42:43 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333665763; bh=QtkCQMWmMoK2x2EAdROxDqJ8bm4PC4aKUj3J+BvH 5ys=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=htI24uKwo/GqWKarpxLsO/wB1XLTDb6JVt92Uz3q guiwH4e1f5x91TujXFOTeFxwxMfJWOrAbVlUfNPiqJZJ8VfN2IEJm4N7F3ADfv4Dv/S 8lVq/TUz08ATRwlW3T5se3Iq8lQKHkVdSHfEXWeD0AMpj6rg2FIlJH+c/sj4Lhss= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CeOSLMayk9Ay; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB05DEBA3A5; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:42:29 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333665762; bh=QtkCQMWmMoK2x2EAdROxDqJ8bm4PC4aKUj3J+BvH 5ys=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=vlPwyX8u+fQFDabnOQXJFX8XQnKiNHWsUhvlWk2o ipIgCAe5CTVP3JsXNct2dxIxA/bXlkEI5n/NyRwT0gqk40SH4Hb6bCZdGUfW/Wnioa5 RLHcDaCRBykVdWuMYNt9sR4tmeYs4Rz/jpLLfFGpm4Xj1KIHt3IkbY33BRTGNpUM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Apr 2012 18:42:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBC42EBA4F2 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:42:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PnyJsJ2iDret for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxi2.callplus.net.nz (mx194.callplus.net.nz [202.180.66.194]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0414EBA3A5 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 18:42:28 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq8BAG4ffk/KtG2t/2dsb2JhbAANOLVthhsBAQEBAzhAEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBRRMIAQHCOY02gyQEqRuBRw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,378,1330858800"; d="scan'208";a="256394292" Received: from 202-180-109-173.callplus.net.nz (HELO [192.168.1.2]) ([202.180.109.173]) by ismtp2.tranzpeer.net with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA; 06 Apr 2012 10:42:26 +1200 Message-ID: <4F7E1FCD.1040107@slingshot.co.nz> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 10:42:21 +1200 From: Dan McCarthy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New scanner drivers... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1184 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: danmccat@slingshot.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 6/04/2012 8:34 a.m., David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've had an email from Andrew Rawnsley asking how the new scanner > driver project is going. > > Would you like a new scanner driver and for what - it appears that > supporting a multifunction device is possible which it never was in > the past. > > Lets say that to make this viable, I have to sell 100 drivers at 20 > pounds each. > > I can see that the day of the scanner has gone, you can probably use a > digital camera. > > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 6 12:13:29 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SFvU7-3Ytknw-07-EpM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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06 Apr 2012 10:48:16 +1200 Message-ID: <4F7E212C.1050405@slingshot.co.nz> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 10:48:12 +1200 From: Dan McCarthy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] ] Re: Stray message References: <4F7E1FCD.1040107@slingshot.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4F7E1FCD.1040107@slingshot.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1185 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: danmccat@slingshot.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Sorry abot that - pushed the wrong buttom The doctor assures me I am showing no symtoms os dementia I am less sure Dan Mccarthy To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 6 12:13:31 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SFw4e-0N9000-02-EEp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:26:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26317EBB50E for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:26:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e-aK9tzKe3ZR for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avasout06.plus.net (avasout06.plus.net [212.159.14.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62F4CEBB480 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([90.201.24.66]) by avasout06 with smtp id uPSH1i0061RZtX601PSKfd; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 00:26:19 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=KqrPKBqN c=1 sm=1 a=fJSqpm/DV21JtEqq4lfU5w==:17 a=Bsb2GI76V5gA:10 a=_oMGmRw-5D4A:10 a=ZkHWUxPWGHwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=v6Aic-fSAAAA:8 a=U8zjEPYjMbNkBNmyfdcA:9 a=RjRxTlfuG2N5hhhDv7oA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=-7aRcVyoBCvqWNQD:21 a=GjLNcskXXzG9_R_0:21 a=fJSqpm/DV21JtEqq4lfU5w==:117 X-AUTH: southfarm:2500 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 00:26:15 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New scanner drivers... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.69.2.3801 (Qt/4.7.4) (Mac-OS/10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1186 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 5 Apr at 21:34, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've had an email from Andrew Rawnsley asking how the new scanner > driver project is going. > > Would you like a new scanner driver and for what - it appears that > supporting a multifunction device is possible which it never was in > the past. > > Lets say that to make this viable, I have to sell 100 drivers at 20 > pounds each. > > I can see that the day of the scanner has gone, you can probably use a > digital camera. I doubted your last statement and then I did the calculations. I use my scanner a lot at 300 dots per inch. To do a page of A4 this is a maximum of 8 in by 11.5 in. This then produces a image of 8.3 million dots so requires 9 million or so pixels on my camera to do the same. My camera does 14 Megapixels, so will do a tad larger than A4 at the same resolution. So you are right. Certainly in museums where they do not allow fragile documents to be photocopied, but do allow digital photography, this camera did an excellent job. The problem with cameras is getting good lighting and avoiding any trapezoid distortion, not to mention camera shake. So perhaps this is why I continue to use my trusty EPSON 4870. The next question is whether any new software could be persuaded to work on my VRPC on my Mac. Certainly the old software gave up on me and I have to scan with the Mac and then port to VRPC for image processing using a favourite program or two, notably DplngScan. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 6 12:13:47 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SFwhO-1P9Vbs-03-Dc5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:13:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SFwhO-1P9Vbs-03-Dc5; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 00:06:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SFwhO-1P9Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 00:06:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SFwhM-0002yr-UX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 00:06:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F58BEBB909; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 20:06:17 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333670777; bh=cJ3t0gEkuJa8w/0thHkoeL8l0DcBQ13JGD3hrf3e 0+Y=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Vw5/bc77X+bNBHMqYjEDssuicsl4hzhfKrktn8cDg3P8MnjUvB ElaPWq0G2VQ5GKQ2wj3quTiH88FKz7E+xeJ0JCHL4XjAUDgavpg6Cjibo+WPoRCrkt0 j813bVPXRRkoptfN8vcItSpUzjeYO2Z66qGWK/xIfcwBMzCfdEhxFw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d-0SS-i42Gml; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 20:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB3D9EBA922; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 20:06:03 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333670776; bh=cJ3t0gEkuJa8w/0thHkoeL8l0DcBQ13JGD3hrf3e 0+Y=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=ecEotD3iWY9XKqXuRzlCA/H0lyXqdJ8gMvTE5D3qHu8x95mGYT GPzNPKh/GhHAKGpM2UKKUVUh9Y2fVJccfho9Qe5HOkImiUtnK0aXPmi2ur4e4WUMMro /ZIpyhQZt8kYC36WDypSg3pYePbPAykzsJbgnyxfjMFIvMJ/4yi2wE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:06:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A35D5EBA97A for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 20:06:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nq-D6R8V0QfQ for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 20:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A32CEBA922 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 20:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pr-webmail-2.demon.net ([194.159.244.50]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SFwgj-0001eu-mb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 00:06:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=web.mail.demon.net) by pr-webmail-2.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1SFwgi-0000Lt-Iw for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 01:06:00 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by web.mail.demon.net with http; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 01:06:00 +0100 From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New scanner drivers... Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 01:06:00 +0100 User-Agent: Demon-WebMail/2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-archive-position: 1187 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling tim@powys.org wrote: > The next question is whether any new software could be persuaded to work > on my VRPC on my Mac. Certainly the old software gave up on me and I > have to scan with the Mac and then port to VRPC for image processing > using a favourite program or two, notably DplngScan. No. No chance. At least unless there is some standard way of accessing USB from inside VRPC? Any new scanner driver project is aimed at users of the new RISC OS machines, Beagle Board etc. David Pilling To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 6 12:14:13 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SG1a2-0StVbs-02-8jR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:14:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SG1a2-0StVbs-02-8jR; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 05:19:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SG1a2-0StVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 05:19:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SG1Zz-00034C-MN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 05:19:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BADFEBC200; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 01:19:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333689561; bh=jdoMV7UDiO6mef2SdoZjytXts+eUb88dvTOGZ9Im 3Sw=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=rla5jC iq/ob9vc2nD6EKDlea/p/J8JEjy33+iveUBQ6RbiuOgwSTjAgkRwwvniS8SmKbuFzQg d2TCkMHvNjGFYy4zl3oRIG/fEdlJXS7n6KmjWm8iQDaNis/XP/LPl55gTnRFlTwwDcb Qtd7iWOT6z/5Kst5YoOLIDzczAx14sE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KHZpEVqOIVGi; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 01:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B03BFEBC16A; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 01:19:07 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333689560; bh=jdoMV7UDiO6mef2SdoZjytXts+eUb88dvTOGZ9Im 3Sw=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=b65BnV kdJzYB6q7lja6tc0BojvjXS6JO8vV1BwoBsE6gy5g5zmuChJAtnzpeO3mS6CSrtMvMh cx6VWNIw+XA+//Y7CKLILb157TQ3cnvYS+5eu1aQXdkdF8E9Iflh9MTuuec2LN3yxMb xQEOiWpGjsCaS0fXuM2z6l8fPd5ifSQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 06 Apr 2012 01:19:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 776B5EBC1B6 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 01:19:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zuiew4aqmL1Y for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 01:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.137.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EA9BEBC16A for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 01:19:04 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ak0JAIt7fk87p2/a/2dsb2JhbABFt3gDghOCCQEBBAFWKAsLGC4QKR4ZiAkEuieLUoFVgyQEiFedSIJ0gU8 Received: from ppp59-167-111-218.static.internode.on.net (HELO unknown000995001988.) ([59.167.111.218]) by ipmail07.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 06 Apr 2012 14:49:01 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Dowson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:19:05 +0800 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New scanner drivers... Message-ID: <527c0228b0p_dowson@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1188 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: p_dowson@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 06 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I've had an email from Andrew Rawnsley asking how the new scanner driver > project is going. > Would you like a new scanner driver and for what - it appears that > supporting a multifunction device is possible which it never was in the > past. I don't suppose that offer includes laser printers at all. > Lets say that to make this viable, I have to sell 100 drivers at 20 > pounds each. Count me in any way. 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06 Apr 2012 02:15:23 -0700 PDT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New scanner drivers... To: David Pilling From: Doug Webb X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 10:15:17 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1189 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: doug.j.webb@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I've had an email from Andrew Rawnsley asking how the new scanner driver > project is going. > Would you like a new scanner driver and for what - it appears that > supporting a multifunction device is possible which it never was in the > past. David, Ian Hamilton has done a nice application for some Epson Multifunctional devices called !MFPxEpson which doesn't use the twain interface so for Epson's it doesn't make sense to duplicate things unless you and Ian collaborate and agree on options etc. !MFPxEpson with GutenPrint at least allows some of the Epson multifunctional devices to work for printing and scanning on RISC OS. The latest HP printers also have the ability to send an email of a file to printout so it would be good to see if some support for the HP multifunctional devices could be done so there are some additional options. The only downside with supporting multifunctional is making sure there is a printer driver for RISC OS though I suppose the HP ePrint option, though not ideal , could mitigate some of that. Doug -- See and experience the future using ARM Technology - BeagleBoard -xM, Cortex A8 and RISC OS 5.19. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 6 12:43:20 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SG7Yl-0l7Vbs-08-BHE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:43:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SG7Yl-0l7Vbs-08-BHE; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 11:42:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SG7Yl-0l7Vbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 11:42:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SG7Yk-0007Od-Av for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 11:42:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B1BEEBC35F; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:42:29 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333712549; bh=zoGR7UsaqE/ccsuwOMo83A475oP39a2W+X0S4Pvl VO8=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=I5C/IoWJKpsnTrTguYj/xbGO5BrS6/KdipW4b0FVwNCD9huosg fz85JNEL0/V7mvKhVs9m5Oez8n3Bp5bWAzpRjtTqASY0Vtgegib9npzE9WZ4e69oy6Y 7M/JqSEvqXMlwNyUX4AMaQ0WcC+btOV0xBxMo//JIrIcC17MyyaL1E= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id COY7b8FZqSYq; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DEBDEBC35D; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:42:16 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333712548; bh=zoGR7UsaqE/ccsuwOMo83A475oP39a2W+X0S4Pvl VO8=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=n3vI1nN59TUhgU5QhfjttxaUBOhaS0M4zsXi7wa7j9REb+eAdw 7dr/dd+5REbBNE1UuitajUygI8XusrJ7y9RYfwf4eL1G33Sfnmk8JVA0H7pP3v4NOXL qfTS2dhmwaue0zOHLBlNEyNYO4yEoDJcsyx+Hxo4Xn/89gKLRwt2HI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 06 Apr 2012 07:42:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E067BEBC35F for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:42:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s1lRPWLHasut for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C7FDEBC35D for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SG7YT-0005EW-nQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 11:42:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:41:02 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New scanner drivers... References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1190 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Doug Webb writes >Ian Hamilton has done a nice application for some Epson >Multifunctional devices called !MFPxEpson which doesn't use the twain Thanks for reminding me. Rather diminishes the need for a driver. >The latest HP printers also have the ability to send an email of a >file to printout so it would be good to see if some support for the HP Yes, some of these devices seem to act like USB memory, removing all need for drivers. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Apr 6 12:58:19 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SG7c2-2Hj000-05-BDx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:58:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SG7c2-2Hj000-05-BDx; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 11:45:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SG7c2-2Hj000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 11:45:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SG7by-0007ap-V5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 11:45:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F5BFEBC3B8; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:45:49 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333712749; bh=HssQlox5Lz6eBkeEu9M9vv7BtvbP2yi1ifmvKt/N B0U=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=FGyEl/vuvpOKyp6tPX5dCCX3uKfIwGriI2EqgVJkIAOwfduqiJ kgyBObvy21lF4TADnAfiuuQZB1IYY8UyEziRLkZJy3CYVfAWVyRnRS+NeJ8FoW52por YeUSihExkgP/j9rlvwLWOIv9dYVUIm/HujdI/sO7upOH4YR4qEy8Ms= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L0YMZ4V+fJtB; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73EB9EB9D85; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:45:36 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333712748; bh=HssQlox5Lz6eBkeEu9M9vv7BtvbP2yi1ifmvKt/N B0U=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=BQDidIKO6liRF+l92Y8RdelWjCmMUERtsSDamfzVoFdpmpdAh3 IKFaSULMXok/DhTVOTL9uQ1vBBAYFDS2IzL2Zx4/xdr4bAdcAvV2IPFcMjHx81X8pxD 6NGLr8XjKDOZ6c2G/TCSoUlwt+E9iEQl8m7qnS55J81G9+PHMoZNxo= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 06 Apr 2012 07:45:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 441C1EBC34F for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:45:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q0VoVeOT7Hau for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FAD4EB9D85 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([82.153.112.164]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q36BjKjG029983 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:45:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New scanner drivers... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:45:26 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1191 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message , Doug Webb > writes >>Ian Hamilton has done a nice application for some Epson >>Multifunctional devices called !MFPxEpson which doesn't use the twain > Thanks for reminding me. Rather diminishes the need for a driver. >>The latest HP printers also have the ability to send an email of a >>file to printout so it would be good to see if some support for the HP > Yes, some of these devices seem to act like USB memory, removing all > need for drivers. and in a slightly different arena, a number of photocopiers will act as scanners, and the Ricoh/Gestetner ones at least scan to a Windows folder, so should work with !smbserve. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 7 19:49:18 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SGQjG-0hZVbs-08-99l.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 19:49:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SGQjG-0hZVbs-08-99l; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 08:10:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SGQjG-0hZVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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07 Apr 2012 08:10:18 +0000 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New scanner drivers... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Doug Webb X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 09:10:13 +0100 Message-ID: <77a9957c52.dougjwebb@doug.j.webb.btinternet.com> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1192 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: doug.j.webb@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message , Doug Webb > writes >>Ian Hamilton has done a nice application for some Epson >>Multifunctional devices called !MFPxEpson which doesn't use the twain > Thanks for reminding me. Rather diminishes the need for a driver. It is a catch22 situation in that though !MFPxEpson covers the Epson scanning there isn't always a RISC OS driver for the printer element. >>The latest HP printers also have the ability to send an email of a >>file to printout so it would be good to see if some support for the HP > Yes, some of these devices seem to act like USB memory, removing all > need for drivers. If I was looking for something then it would either be a standalone scanner or HP multifunctional that has a RISC OS driver, be it native or via GutenPrint, so we have some cover between Epson and HP in one form or another. The reason I'd favour that approach is that the HP printers can use ePrint and also as you say another option is direct to a card. The Canon printers seem not so well covered under the GutenPrint initiative. Doug -- See and experience the future using ARM Technology - BeagleBoard -xM, Cortex A8 and RISC OS 5.19. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 7 20:03:46 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SGane-1msVbs-02-G8P.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 20:03:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SGane-1msVbs-02-G8P; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:55:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SGane-1msVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:55:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SGand-0006Tw-3r for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:55:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC9CBEAC12A; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 14:55:47 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333824947; bh=N8NDHUQkxobvqpkDNaog3OhfAGdjIwVfGazVUKjD caY=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=G5aBf3soiAWmdk8n50TGCS9RHnB2x2oYkFGdf7vak5lgi/OncX ZmKFq3NpY+FYe3RyB7lh+zcK4WdSwb4zu+2AI8FKvb9wNkrplSiC8vOvwEO9O3Bppnt d8oV+cMWreuXw/+jywCwxhiEseTJYfKJx68/q6yxCkva52NNtzE8TQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J45I3GhThZNy; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 14:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE53DEBA214; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 14:55:34 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333824947; bh=N8NDHUQkxobvqpkDNaog3OhfAGdjIwVfGazVUKjD caY=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=G5aBf3soiAWmdk8n50TGCS9RHnB2x2oYkFGdf7vak5lgi/OncX ZmKFq3NpY+FYe3RyB7lh+zcK4WdSwb4zu+2AI8FKvb9wNkrplSiC8vOvwEO9O3Bppnt d8oV+cMWreuXw/+jywCwxhiEseTJYfKJx68/q6yxCkva52NNtzE8TQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Apr 2012 14:55:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79A22EBAC1A for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 14:55:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rJEv4BMNCVsp for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 14:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB7F4EBA214 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 14:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SGanJ-00030U-f8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 18:55:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 19:54:07 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New scanner drivers... References: <77a9957c52.dougjwebb@doug.j.webb.btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <77a9957c52.dougjwebb@doug.j.webb.btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S (<1AlE8drQI+N+MRS9vaH1T2UU3B>) X-archive-position: 1193 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, Bounced message... ========================================= Hi David, I would certainly be interested in a scanner driver for Canon MFPs, if docs are available. I would check if it is possible doing it the same way Martin has done it with Gutenprint: use the Linux SANE stuff as the backend/hardware driver, and provide a frontend for it via your standard TWAIN stuff. > I can see that the day of the scanner has gone, you can probably use a > digital camera. If you really think that digicams are the way to go, how about a USB PTP driver? Steffen -- Steffen Huber LambdaComm System - Welcome to Trollinger Country steffen@huber-net.de Private homepage http://www.huber-net.de/ // eompost 4F803361:49FB.1:qnivqcvyyvat -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 8 14:49:12 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SGsTg-0HdVbs-03-FVP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:49:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SGsTg-0HdVbs-03-FVP; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:48:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SGsTg-0HdVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:48:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SGsTd-0002h0-PQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:48:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92942EBBF40; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:48:20 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333892900; bh=JsuD9d0E+2OsVYRE6zS5SqxHib9eiNyG7X7rZuFS Q2I=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=qvt2huqu3cIxN4CQ0PJyJrLFwu1cOHzHbBV7TYNjyxQEi8WXOv oMgfwMqjoe4sN8pr440eYGRLmTt2LybZb7/7keo+1dwZY5Th5GbK7IiR2MwgrQTKvH4 ZWa4I1+xMgRai/mmm+WuPjT8iN5QnSMhCxVQj5y59glkYubavB+hz8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ri8N7TOZ-obO; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62532EBBB7F; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:48:07 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333892899; bh=JsuD9d0E+2OsVYRE6zS5SqxHib9eiNyG7X7rZuFS Q2I=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=v3IITFdW8ARarMjCNHWu3re/t4WT8GLma0IJ4+g4urJTreGsC+ MNsRWclKXMjZurVJExlo6pa8WIsWCCm5/7k9ilgytkrAK/2cb57RHo4/IXqtAx9RGbI jrhNcRv4IxndDxdcHv6KppKwk5VhaOIkuPWLh3nQ5I5JXVgMtGF38o= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:48:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AF8CEBBEF5 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:48:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k7ppIKm9LEc7 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79746EBBB7F for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 09:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SGsTL-00024w-fu for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 08 Apr 2012 13:48:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 14:47:22 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New scanner drivers... References: <77a9957c52.dougjwebb@doug.j.webb.btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1194 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, Steffen - nice idea to support (PTP) Picture Transfer Protocol. Interesting if it is not supported already. I would guess that many cameras act as mass storage, so the lack of PTP is not a show stopper. Allowing Sane (Linux scanner) drivers to be compiled directly for RISC OS and maybe linked in to TWAIN is the best idea, but also the most ambitious. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 22 12:04:46 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SLEaE-4FrVbs-03-9er.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:04:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SLEaE-4FrVbs-03-9er; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:13:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SLEaE-4FrVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:13:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SLEa9-0006Ow-LL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:11:55 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Selecting and grouping items in nested frames - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1196 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) With a set of frames etc which are nested inside each other, which I may want to group together, I know I can bring frames to front or back one at a time, but how do I select the ones I want to group together? Is it a case of alternately bringing one to the front and Ctrl-clicking each successive one to select it? (I know about Cttrl-Shift to lasso various items, and C-S-double-click to select whatever's hiding behind teh current frame - but if you can't see it how can you tell that's what you want selected?) It seems to me that by bringing things to the front to select them, you alter the frames' relationships with each other, and you'd need to repair that later. It kind of implies that the only way to group a set of nested frames together sensibly is to select the innermost one and its enclosing one, and group those together. Then select that group and its enclosing frame, and group them. Then select that group and its enclosing frame... and so on. In the document where I was trying this I've got so confused about what's behind what else that I've dragged all the subframes to different parts of the page so I can work on their contents and am not going to overlap them all again until I'm further on, and then do the grouping. Is this what everyone else does? (The aim is to create something quite complicated and then duplicate it multiple times on the page.) Is there any way to see a list of frames (in DDL?) or an applet, so one can more easily choose which ones to select and group together? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 22 12:04:48 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SLEaJ-4al000-02-9em.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:04:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SLEaJ-4al000-02-9em; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:13:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SLEaJ-4al000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:13:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SLEaA-0004Ux-Dj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:13:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E20F9EC13D9; 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Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:11:36 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Problems with SaveAs dialog - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1195 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) It the last few days I've several times noticed a problem with the SaveAs dialog. It's my habit regularly to save the current document twice, once as .dpd and once as .ddl. (It would be marvellous if someone could find a way to have the pair saved each time!) What I see sometimes when I get the SaveAs dialog box is that the filename that's preloaded into it has one extension, which does not match the filetype info displayed under it. I think I've always spotted that and corrected the value in the type field so it matches the filename's extension. But it looks to me like an accident waiting to happen, if one really could accidentally save DDL in a file called something.dpd or vie versa. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 22 12:04:49 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SLEaX-4RIVbs-05-9eY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:04:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SLEaX-4RIVbs-05-9eY; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:13:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SLEaX-4RIVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:13:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SLEaK-0006Fs-Ix for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:13:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4105EC11B7; 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Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:06:48 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Picture import problems - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1195 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) Although I've used OP on & off for years, it's more than 12 years since I did anything serious with it (that was under RO). I was trying to use OPW last night, and had various problems with BMP files, all of which are around 2 MB in size and are scans of A4 documents. In an empty OPW document I dragged three separate BMP files to three full-page frames. The first pic got displayed at maybe 1/8 full size (though if I dragged its frame out to full size it did get scaled-up). The second pic immediately displayed in its full page frame at full size (or about 90% as the scanned image is bigger than the frame). Why didn't this happen for the first file? When I dragged the third BMP OPW said it wasn't an image and did I want to import it as text? Why didn't OPW recognise this as a BMP? I foolishly let it import the "text" and that resulted in the frame showing nothing except an overflow flag. I couldn't find any way to remove the frame or its contents. Most menu items were greyed out. I finally saved this broken file as both .dpd and .ddl and looked at the ddl file in an editor. It certainly contained an encoded image, and a 'story' definition showing that it was 'embedded'... which sort of makes sense but doesn't explain how one would get rid of such a thing. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 22 12:04:49 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SLEaa-4EIVbs-07-9eV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:04:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SLEaa-4EIVbs-07-9eV; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:13:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SLEaa-4EIVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:13:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SLEaU-0004Y3-1A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:38:36 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Positioning of OPW dialog boxes, possibly a multi-screen issue - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1197 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) I've never much liked the way the toolbox and info-palette get attached to document windows so, with two document windows open, changed the application choices to allow these to not to be attached. I was using a three-monitor PC, but only had the main one (a widescreen) and the lefthand one (trad 4:3 shape) turned on. The righthand one is also a 4:3; both side screens are only turned on if I need the extra screen space. I had the toolbox & info palette displayed on the lefthand screen, one document window on there or the main screen (can't remember) and the other document window shunted sideways to the right so that only its lefthand border was on the main screen. I closed the first document window. I think I lost the toolbox and info palette at that point (which I'd assumed would stay on screen until no document windows remained, but it loos as if they were associated with the first doc window only). That in itself is odd because it had seemed to me that having just one toolbox/info palette worked ok directing tool selections to, and seeing status info of, whichever doc window had focus at the time. That would make sense if the toolbox window merely sends a msg to any doc window that's listening, and doc windows send messages for display by any active palette window...? So I hoped they'd stay visible until the last doc window closed. I suppose in theory I could then have used View on the remaining document window to open a new toolbox & palette, but didn't need to... and in fact couldn't do so... The second document window didn't have focus and I couldn't gain it by clicking on its title bar. I couldn't drag it back into the centre of the main screen. Bear with me while I make a digression... I've seen this sort of thing before (in the BBC iPlayer desktop client, an AIR application) which on my laptop I rarely minimise because maximising its display from minimised is very slow, so I tend to push its window nearly off-screen. Then if it suddenly has a problem it displays an error box, but that seems to be a dynamic change of the pixels in its main/only window rather than a modal or non-modal extra message window being popped up. When BBC iPlayer does this 'focus' seems to change to the pop-up (which isn't a real window) but more to the point the main BBC iPlayer window loses focus. Anyway it's then impossible to click on its title bar and to drag it back. But I have found that right-clicking the taskbar button that represents BBC iPlayer and choosing 'Move' then allows Windows to let me move the whole window back so I can see and clear the error box. Anyway I tried the same with OPW; but selecting 'Move' didn't move the OPW document window. Now I was lucky, it was mainly off the main screen, but I then turned on the rightmost screen to see if it held any clues. It did - there was an OPW dialog box displayed towards the righthand side of this rightmost document window. It was a SaveAs box. I'm not sure why unless somehow shutting the first OPW window had tried to shut the whole OPW application, rather than just one document. Unless I'd double clicked the OPW icon at the top left of that window - maybe I had, as it was just an experimental document... or maybe it was an autosave thing? Dealing with the SaveAS dialog box made the OPW doc window moveable again; that's not really what concerns me. What is, is that I don't understand why that document window's SaveAs dialog box was so far to the right relative to its own document window. Why not centered? But even then if this window had been mainly off-screen (eg even further to the right, and perhaps this could happen on a single-monitor setup too) when OPW presented the dialog box, would I have been totally unable to see and deal with that dialog box? It seems to me that OPW should be making sure that such boxes always appear totally within the visible desktop area. In fact, I tend to think it'd be better if they were centered on the desktop and/or its primary display, rather than vaguely positioned on their own document window. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 22 12:04:49 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SLEao-4cd000-06-9eH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:04:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SLEao-4cd000-06-9eH; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:13:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SLEao-4cd000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:13:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SLEah-0004Zi-FY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:13:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2764EC1A54; 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Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:02:25 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Style definitions - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1198 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) I tried to define a style which I hoped only ever to apply to a single word whcich would be formatted right-aligned on (the only) line in its frame. I based the style on BodyTeext but changed its scope to "Word". It kept getting changed back to "Paragraph" by OPW. 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Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:59:35 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Object snap, frames, guidelines - Message-Id: <20120420141250.4983A8E0247@frontend1.nyi.mail.srv.osa> X-archive-position: 1199 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) With a grid displayed (at 1mm intervals) on a document viewed at 800% I was trying to move frames around and wanted them to snap to adjacent frames. I found the only snap that happened was the side of the frame to the edge of the page's master frame. Misc -> Prevs -> View -> Snap was on. Reading the manual it said something about snaps happening eg of the top of one frame to the top of another - which makes sense if one's positioning a subframe inside another. But I was moving one frame towards the top of a page and wanted to align it directly under another frame - ie I wanted the top of the frame being moved to snap to the bottom of the higher frame. It wouldn't do it. I did manage to draw a guideline where the bottom of the topmost frame was, and then the frame I was moving up the page would snap to that. But why doesn't snap see all frame edges? Drawing the guideline was itself a nightmare. With View zoom still at 800% it was easy to put a guideline in roughly the right place. But it was really hard to move it to the precise place. To select the guideline I had to position the mouse pointer incredibly close to the guideline before it would turn red - only a few pixels either side. On 800% magnification I was still having to peer at the screen very closely to do that. Why? I couldn't get the guideline adjust tool to show until I'd started to move a selected guideline, whereas the manual says you can "move the pointer over the guideline then when the pointer changes to the adjustment tool you can start the drag" - I tried many times and could not get that to work. It sounds a great deal easier than having to click the precise point where the thin line is. Alternatively is there a dialog (or could this be in a tiny applet?) which lists the positions of all guidelines and lets you alter or delete them - that would be even better. Is there some way to set the sensitivity of guideline selection? I wonder if it's related to the non-appearance of the normal frame move tool - if I click on a selected frame and hold the mouse perfectly still, sometimes I get the move tool in about 3-4 seconds. Sometimes after 20-30 seconds, no tool. Why? (I did start using the Ctrl-rightclick method instead.) It turned out that the guideline, once I did manage to get it moving around the page, wouldn't snap to the bottom of the topmost frame. I had to select teh top frame, add together its Y and Height values then transcribe that value to the modify guideline box. Once I finally got the guideline in the right place I WAS able to move the frame I wanted and have it snap to the guideline... but this whole process took more than an hour, mainly because I couldn't believe it could be so hard. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 22 12:05:01 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SLHD8-2AaVbs-03-FYT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:05:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SLHD8-2AaVbs-03-FYT; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:01:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SLHD8-2AaVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:01:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SLHD1-0000Z1-83 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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20 Apr 2012 15:32:35 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <05D5B211CF8A448FB33BBC427DC389C9@JOHN> From: "J LEEMING" To: References: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture import problems - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:32:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-archive-position: 1200 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jleeming231@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling ----- Original Message ----- >In an empty OPW document I dragged three separate BMP files to three > full-page frames. The first pic got displayed at maybe 1/8 full size > (though if I dragged its frame out to full size it did get scaled-up). > > The second pic immediately displayed in its full page frame at full size > (or > about 90% as the scanned image is bigger than the frame). Why didn't > this > happen for the first file? Could it be that the first image had lots of scanned white space around it (i.e. maybe your image needs cropping)? John Leeming. 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Fri, 20 Apr 2012 14:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:29:08 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture import problems - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <05D5B211CF8A448FB33BBC427DC389C9@JOHN> References: <05D5B211CF8A448FB33BBC427DC389C9@JOHN> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1201 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling "J LEEMING" wrote: > Could it be that the first image had lots of scanned white space around it > (i.e. maybe your image needs cropping)? Interesting idea, but no. The scans are of pages of a claim form and apart from borders aroundboxes etc the background page colour is grey, so there's no white space around the border. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 23 12:02:33 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SLhuS-0V5GPo-04-EQh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:02:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SLhuS-0V5GPo-04-EQh; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 21:32:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SLhuS-0V5GPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 21:32:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SLhuO-0001QS-AJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 21:32:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 045C7EC1C6A; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:31:54 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335043914; bh=23l9G+2/vtYISlNFWJunoZg7OfRQOZ8VKuqqZYVo Jbg=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=nOTAWdWoZcxL6XcbloFtRhE7SWeVmxP92IrrH2IegnTSN0LAMg C2aueaTwLsQbmOo5mYthLBy8R68TxK2/9+/D1i2bkuNDdP6aT45yjFSjLjatl5tOtG+ AnpW63Eu9Jl9wHV0XgdTpmn2zaAGSws4QH/18EoRYU0rRbG/U+KI18= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q1tjiij5g9U8; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB170EC1C68; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:31:40 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335043913; bh=23l9G+2/vtYISlNFWJunoZg7OfRQOZ8VKuqqZYVo Jbg=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=AGyqY0Nuub0oPNW9mLkUD2QflKdrXWgeIMfLcDv7tAfqptYV+M /tEfK9WrDjSaTRBpy8H2CgkGC22GQSCpTqEOXyYBRm4IUYZ3FAq7f/sQwrRWTuxQO7+ pQ6iuesw5q2NArttLnOobuDJ480lJnKKTYiyzgXBV4yMSYtG4m7yL4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:31:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9112AEC1C6A for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:31:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sWrHqWHLiVTB for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 103A8EC1C68 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pr-webmail-2.demon.net ([194.159.244.50]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SLhu4-0006Ow-Wb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 21:31:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=web.mail.demon.net) by pr-webmail-2.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1SLhu3-000Fg5-Sq for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 22:31:36 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by web.mail.demon.net with http; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 22:31:35 +0100 From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: <20120420141250.4983A8E0247@frontend1.nyi.mail.srv.osa> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Object snap, frames, guidelines - Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 22:31:35 +0100 User-Agent: Demon-WebMail/2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-archive-position: 1202 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote: I've got connectivity problems - (I need help) - so sorry, but coherent replies may be some time away... 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Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 22:42:43 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Object snap, frames, guidelines - Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1203 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling flist@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote: > > > > I've got connectivity problems - (I need help) - so sorry, but coherent > replies may be some time away... > > I'll try to have a go later, but I'm reduced to a laptop away from a > working copy of Ovation Pro etc. There's no urgency... Because of my ongoing illness everything I start to do gets put on hold all the time. A week or two is neither here nor there. For some projects a year or two is neither here nor there. Unfortunately in some cases I'm tempted to say 'a decade...'. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 23 12:03:46 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SMCL9-14Jknw-08-9ZY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:03:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SMCL9-14Jknw-08-9ZY; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:01:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SMCL9-14Jknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:01:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SMCL3-0005az-9B for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:01:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43C54EC1B78; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:01:25 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335160885; bh=q06bZRuCCZarS9BTWolreBSGlVa7Jsr1Dmrx/JcY Xco=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=ZhhzK4LB0RKCGqVo32cjTYrvs1B9JIMZyuSI8Gkurok7QxyLCq jBSJstNEQ30u6/i64XskahD6kb8foZrQrSLk/EPUtkXxvRif4ztZqdG8D92aYrnZ7Mu wQ55MxjnfsJ60omMqeSrrQmaBT/R7nLnT+6LPta+N6YtqBgcnUorSU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MCPPNEVAWfyO; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31593EC1B5D; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:01:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335160883; bh=q06bZRuCCZarS9BTWolreBSGlVa7Jsr1Dmrx/JcY Xco=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=mouh2g12UofVt/uvRLLvGgW7AabWaU/iGlqxVe6TN/8p9bGEwS w0k8RYmsE5acQuLL5UmeF2BQnPINuL4sLID3zCit8FKGCkl/whHzRRtz85hByL0zND7 Xs9Kg+Q1m/LT1pJlYtmYHvqEet4Uox/+eR8Tmh1L2HoXVXwZ/a5oPU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:01:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEA3BEC1B68 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:01:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 135-AlqprTfl for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zhhdzmsp-smta18.bluewin.ch (zhhdzmsp-smta18.bluewin.ch [195.186.227.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5ACE8EC1B5D for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [195.186.99.131] ([195.186.99.131:55527] helo=zhbdzmsp-smta13.bluewin.ch) by zhhdzmsp-smta18.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D6/77-18014-420F49F4; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:01:08 +0000 Received: from ACER.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch (83.78.91.51) by zhbdzmsp-smta13.bluewin.ch (8.5.142) (authenticated as janvredenburch@bluewin.ch) id 4F509D9D048C93FB for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:01:08 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Style definitions - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:53:16 +0200 Message-ID: <8a01c18452.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.05 (MsgServe/6.04) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120422-1, 04/22/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 1204 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: > OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) > I tried to define a style which I hoped only ever to apply to a single > word whcich would be formatted right-aligned on (the only) line in its > frame. > I based the style on BodyTeext but changed its scope to "Word". It kept > getting changed back to "Paragraph" by OPW. Is that because OPW thinks > align-right only makes sense for a paragraph? Why based on Bodytext? You can create a style without "based on ....". Create a style, then the only selection you make in "Format" is "right" and in "Scope" you select 'Word'. Oh, yes, you can also add a key shortcut. -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 23 13:56:13 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SMInc-2mcVbs-01-Bdb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:56:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SMInc-2mcVbs-01-Bdb; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:55:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SMInc-2mcVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:55:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SMInY-0001Vp-5Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:55:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94E0BEBF8AE; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:55:18 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335185718; bh=Vo7Mw2FFbCKKjiOCwB3ym34koohB3dEJgacqVN+x nsQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=xBIyQWcrzbCxrdvjos643Tj1LTYSPK63OCwSCYK3QHpKCBvmcz kTmY0ggy39mnu48ld1ZTxwDpu5ioJ2eOp9R1cbtJ1YJhe23lfPeX1vZzZ+Za71lkcum 8ogSPCccPPjcpHCWmF7CUiQc4zTXXtg5xe5fPHuKk4xRa/hx2lhIaU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u22YK7wA+Nn3; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 560C2EBEF2D; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:55:05 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335185717; bh=Vo7Mw2FFbCKKjiOCwB3ym34koohB3dEJgacqVN+x nsQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=pkWYSdOeIvffuZUDxZnw83kt4qmF6/eAVcvvOJDWbuu5sD3KXI TN6tlN8qiGqnzpSvKNLuVdA0yX9xG90PjUwYPbDQD506G1nSwj0OY0SJ0SOhBZGOfFE q3YER8yj23iQ/N8mVJHz3X5ml1mcGqlT8+hg8eNyitKd7Is+wZuedk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:55:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DA8CEBED75 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:55:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tPyCs2NWRM0I for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0272EBEF2D for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SMInH-00033r-bB for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:55:03 +0000 Message-ID: <1ikYO5CZDVlPFwbJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:53:45 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Selecting and grouping items in nested frames - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1205 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists writes >With a set of frames etc which are nested inside each other, which I may >want to group together First attempt at the backlog... 'nesting' is not a concept which OP understands. The old Ovation did have nestted frames, OP internally could support nesting, but it does not. So all you've got is grouping. However, you can group objects and groups, a group containing groups containing groups might be referred to as 'nesting' >, I know I can bring frames to front or back one at a >time, but how do I select the ones I want to group together? You select them. As you say there are various mechanisms provided for selecting things - you can even 'select all' and then unselect the ones you don't want. Yes you may have to upset the relationship between frames to be able to select them. However groups don't permit some things for example all the frames of a group are in one 'plane' in front back order. In other words a non-group frame can't appear in front back order between two frames in a group. Since you're going to have to abide by that restriction you have more freedom when creating the groups. Trying this out with three over lapping frames, selecting the first and the last, and then group, it appears that the front back order is preserved, but as soon as you refresh the document it becomes apparent that the first and third frames are now both in the same front back layer relative to the second frame. >Is there any way to see a list of frames (in DDL?) or an applet, so one can >more easily choose which ones to select and group together? Yes, all frames are highly visible in a DDL file, and you could easily construct the groups by editing the DDL. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 23 14:11:12 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SMIuo-0SdGPo-03-BWP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:11:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SMIuo-0SdGPo-03-BWP; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:02:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SMIuo-0SdGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:02:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SMIuj-0002dn-75 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:02:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C32EDEC2249; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:02:42 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335186162; bh=+w4RAgx26NkiRR6iD6+O/TsfgWrBGhWPK/s73QQN M08=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=cMx4MVuBv6nSML1EWLjP72rk5B89qEWxXiGuSzp5wBMqGUbtOh r8ihiGVmYYN7s3+zaegrhP1C6gU5XW0TJVQ3JldrKxh3ZBoE1o1AzdNzBOqsz/1psW2 GWZBYb9npVZEPGTTAUI2KAxfXLPjJwb1ipB8+nCuewlpkFPAuZMQE0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3qIY4JgDnWTm; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 426FDEC2118; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:02:29 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335186161; bh=+w4RAgx26NkiRR6iD6+O/TsfgWrBGhWPK/s73QQN M08=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=F3ZRiTyaNjH377yiZHOW+YjGqyIBsysefYpGoSwi7rJfBYRUUe e4oTp0uAEdo+lVKyBN3sJgIc+sZ21vcBp/xZ3KcFgCy5RDBmJehDwskfzM//75PF7g3 N2DylvtoL0u5HKENV1htonStB/q+UN3dBEt6p1inrp5TyLLOWE1gBE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:02:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14815EC2191 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:02:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lPIMeeSsj1rt for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 840FCEC2118 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SMIuR-0003s3-hI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:02:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:01:12 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture import problems - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1206 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists writes >In an empty OPW document I dragged three separate BMP files to three >full-page frames. The first pic got displayed at maybe 1/8 full size >(though if I dragged its frame out to full size it did get scaled-up). > >The second pic immediately displayed in its full page frame at full size (or >about 90% as the scanned image is bigger than the frame). Why didn't this >happen for the first file? > > >When I dragged the third BMP OPW said it wasn't an image and did I want to >import it as text? Why didn't OPW recognise this as a BMP? When you drag and drop a picture in to a frame. If the frame is empty and is not an auto linked master frame, then the picture is imported and converts the frame in to a picture frame. In the other cases, the picture causes a frame to be created in the text flow. In this situation there is some logic which says how big the embedded frame is, if it is too big then you get a text overflow from which there is no easy way of recovering. My preference for testing things is to create empty text frames and load pictures in to them. The easy thing, open document, dump picture in to the default frame, gets us to the auto create of embedded frames thing which is open to more problems. The "import as text" case sounds like a bmp file with the wrong extension. I'd have to see the bmp files to offer more comment - there are many different versions of .bmp the files can contain information like resolution which may be misleading. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 23 14:11:14 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SMIy6-0oDGPo-04-BT7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:11:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SMIy6-0oDGPo-04-BT7; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:06:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SMIy6-0oDGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:06:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SMIy1-0004jd-91 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:06:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C050CEC2289; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:06:06 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335186366; bh=I/oZtDdQH+IOIijNnpEjxfez/wOrsCM8OuDjLIu7 mUo=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=T14PbVrgsdXPaNo9ZncCC9w7WJm2rD2ixDmvuFN3V4RkjPPVR6 tdxcKE0/giNYT7uTLr6NQ93cwOu7vsD0WENWmlsd+MVbDKPlgjdgftkbMvt3e8E87Z3 JdRrQKaGIG7rM+bWmlzdnXuIFo36odxyIV1ypCou+52oTlWpg4tvfU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WMwlUJmTXNqc; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 279D7EBF125; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:05:53 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335186365; bh=I/oZtDdQH+IOIijNnpEjxfez/wOrsCM8OuDjLIu7 mUo=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=EL0m77/BDGVRffjsGJFFvuiTlRc9kR0thbokSYfOEDZ5wozmkm EeQpGTQz4QwCJa0y4vslyQxKSlMqAPvzCllHrRLFj62rAJpRzWjp/T0fp1HzFMV7vym H/1UK72syRzUS/vujZRwBkSw/96emy4rUoF7M7lVEwXcrgXnSFUYjg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:05:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05668EBF755 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:05:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wF-CbkFdPH4p for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 108CEEBF125 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SMIxh-0006U8-bC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:05:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:04:32 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Style definitions - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1207 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists writes >OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) > >I tried to define a style which I hoped only ever to apply to a single word >whcich would be formatted right-aligned on (the only) line in its frame. > >I based the style on BodyTeext but changed its scope to "Word". It kept >getting changed back to "Paragraph" by OPW. Is that because OPW thinks >align-right only makes sense for a paragraph? I think there is some logic which says "if a paragraph attribute is selected, then set the scope to paragraph", you can manually change it back after making the attribute selection, but some of these settings are only sensible for paragraphs and will only work at that level. Off hand, right will work as long as it is the first thing in the line, but you can't apply it to a word in the middle of a line and expect something to happen. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 23 14:41:13 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SMJQQ-40sknw-06-B0n.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:41:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SMJQQ-40sknw-06-B0n; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:35:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SMJQQ-40sknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:35:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SMJQ6-0005gX-7y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:35:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B99ECEC2333; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:19:02 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335187142; bh=f4LNSs8B/NOXYpIjU5LFolJx3UHFyZ4JJxIgNsU5 j0g=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=bOsMX99SxGPUKA+nOpf99LxE5PEoviKb3h3jhWiJ8isWBivErH Mv2MRIzq99Yv1XAbq3V/PzeMWDz8dzuKMAIDgJu1TExhbHTe+XlERPBJO1+xPW5bL04 DYMQBdNhdh3wAzfAzbKSploI0/QIaCmn2xlzu+8fIUpXTYUxPjfKVU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Udfm6cLbv0tZ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92FEAEC22C7; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:18:49 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335187142; bh=f4LNSs8B/NOXYpIjU5LFolJx3UHFyZ4JJxIgNsU5 j0g=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=bOsMX99SxGPUKA+nOpf99LxE5PEoviKb3h3jhWiJ8isWBivErH Mv2MRIzq99Yv1XAbq3V/PzeMWDz8dzuKMAIDgJu1TExhbHTe+XlERPBJO1+xPW5bL04 DYMQBdNhdh3wAzfAzbKSploI0/QIaCmn2xlzu+8fIUpXTYUxPjfKVU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:18:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65FDDEC228B for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:18:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yGVMzD4m7Ynf for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E503EC23B4 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SMJ9S-0006Li-nT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:17:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:16:45 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Object snap, frames, guidelines - References: <20120420141250.4983A8E0247@frontend1.nyi.mail.srv.osa> In-Reply-To: <20120420141250.4983A8E0247@frontend1.nyi.mail.srv.osa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1208 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <20120420141250.4983A8E0247@frontend1.nyi.mail.srv.osa>, Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists writes >With a grid displayed (at 1mm intervals) on a document viewed at 800% I was That makes me think that the 'snap range' will be bigger than the distance between grid lines. Under document preferences there is 'snap to guidelines' and 'snap to objects' so that gives you some scope to turn one or the other off. I think I'm working around the concept of what is being snapped to, and what takes priority. It sounds to me as if the code for selecting guidelines does not adapt to the view zoom/scale. I sympathise with selecting guidelines being difficult. Yes a display of the locations of all gl's or some easier way of handling them would be good. Testing things just now, the pointer does not change, unless it is something else for example the text caret, when you move over the gl. I didn't have much trouble selecting the gl at any scale, but sometimes I do have problems with drawn lines, and I often resort to the technique of drawing out a 'marquee' box, not a technique which works with gl's. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 23 20:53:23 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SMPHz-2uR000-06-Dfk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:53:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SMPHz-2uR000-06-Dfk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:51:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SMPHz-2uR000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:51:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SMPHf-0003fX-Aj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:29:37 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Style definitions - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1209 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling David Pilling wrote: >Hi, > >In message , Jeremy >Nicoll - zf freelists writes >>OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) >> > > I tried to define a style which I hoped only ever to apply to a single > > word whcich would be formatted right-aligned on (the only) line in its > > frame. >> > > I based the style on BodyTeext but changed its scope to "Word". It kept > > getting changed back to "Paragraph" by OPW. Is that because OPW thinks > > align-right only makes sense for a paragraph? > > I think there is some logic which says "if a paragraph attribute is > selected, then set the scope to paragraph", you can manually change it > back after making the attribute selection, but some of these settings are > only sensible for paragraphs and will only work at that level. Certainly I did set it back to word several times and while experimenting with various settings saw it change back to paragraph seveal times. > Off hand, right will work as long as it is the first thing in the line, > but you can't apply it to a word in the middle of a line and expect > something to happen. No; the text I intended this to apply to would always have been just one or two words, but the only text present on the only line in the frame. I suppose in a sense that is a paragraph, just a very short one. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 23 20:53:23 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SMPIu-366000-08-Dep.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:53:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SMPIu-366000-08-Dep; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:52:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SMPIu-366000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:52:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SMPHt-000196-Nd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:52:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58EC5EC2A8F; 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Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:08:44 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture import problems - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1210 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling David Pilling wrote: > When you drag and drop a picture in to a frame. If the frame is empty and > is not an auto linked master frame, then the picture is imported and > converts the frame in to a picture frame. OK, so the empty frame on p1 would have been a master one. But surely so would those on the next pages? Is there any way to specify that a frame when you create it is a picture one not a text one? In this particular document all I wanted to do was create a framework to hold about 30 full-page A4 scans, so there was just a master page with a frame on it, and nothing else. Then I added 2 more empty pages and dragged the first 3 images in. Would it nmake more sense for me to put a text frame inside the default frame when editing the master page? Would that then give me an ordinary frame on each page? > In the other cases, the picture causes a frame to be created in the text > flow. In this situation there is some logic which says how big the > embedded frame is, if it is too big then you get a text overflow from > which there is no easy way of recovering. But why a text overflow on a picture import? >My preference for testing things is to create empty text frames and load >pictures in to them. > >The easy thing, open document, dump picture in to the default frame, >gets us to the auto create of embedded frames thing which is open to >more problems. >The "import as text" case sounds like a bmp file with the wrong >extension. All the image files have the right extension, all display perfecly in IrfanView one by one, and in Windows Explorer they show the same resolution (at least for the three I tried). I'll need to do some more experiments eg find if image1/2/3 behave in the same way on pp1/2/3 or pp2/3/1 or pp 3/1/2 etc. > I'd have to see the bmp files to offer more comment - there are many > different versions of .bmp the files can contain information like > resolution which may be misleading. They were all created by the same app; it's hard to see why they wouldn't all be the same. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 23 21:53:24 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SMQ1A-2yxVbs-01-CwZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:53:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SMQ1A-2yxVbs-01-CwZ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:37:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SMQ1A-2yxVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:37:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SMQ15-0000fz-7E for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:37:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BFC9EC26B1; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:09:57 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335211797; bh=zHrc5+0btr0XeHSjx374SDY23cMAHjpRXAc4IN8w xck=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=pdRdsHJQ1bMqD1WazxFj9egK5obfHDEXgPKQKfdDoTkt0Rakdl w90Ja2xoQ0g4VSLMF+tpxdhDCs5fOWmVhoMAHGPNykJ273jSBHb00+fH4ge26Awud1K Ixv47fYsAru7VMWE5AyDSmSrHikDMvfEkQEefMPRCxfCxm11hXpKCE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cJQTwM3LXasp; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31894EC1C51; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:09:44 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335211796; bh=zHrc5+0btr0XeHSjx374SDY23cMAHjpRXAc4IN8w xck=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=b5+GvhzPFDDmiBEb3OwDgYWnKsmTogsMuFIgXCN3r4N9hnl2Q1 J5nW9FlnYBIzfIAwdxeQMD1VgVMLiiNCQpUv3FbV1ZDtX6SY89AxW+L3ZqwKAS/E2H5 iXVw4MTZzj0yPy3PNfc3In1T5U244Dl4n30zHcPOG2d4URWyAHXauU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:09:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D450EC25BB for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:09:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SZfBKaD5GLDa for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55925EC1C51 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SMPZh-0000tp-hp for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:09:29 +0000 Message-ID: <2+aYpWLgbblPFw7p@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:09:04 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Style definitions - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1211 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists writes >No; the text I intended this to apply to would always have been just one or >two words, but the only text present on the only line in the frame. I >suppose in a sense that is a paragraph, just a very short one. Might as well choose line or paragraph scope. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 23 21:53:24 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SMQDm-0XNGPo-04-Cjx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:53:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SMQDm-0XNGPo-04-Cjx; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:50:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SMQDm-0XNGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:50:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SMQDe-0004Kf-8k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:50:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36C34EC2D0D; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:17:28 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335212248; bh=A5iuOptO2q0QH9dKD9zdlG+viO47H5Zk5+xQcbiG WGE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=NVz1IAiXxkbsS76pTg6job0lysC4IZVBorloJisVooA9iBt4UQ zSa1rmkICPHd0EayFjCHTlf9vIBjAa3QIhUkB9YaT5SHpKuq0xs+kFVQ/YIHFIrQffj jSAs67wlv5JR8QrfZhiwsOQs4b4LHVXrNIHP/NPjA5WC2wM3KnpkRY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iKq9tIGXXXii; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB215EC2CFD; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:17:14 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335212247; bh=A5iuOptO2q0QH9dKD9zdlG+viO47H5Zk5+xQcbiG WGE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=ilNMCv8fJa9Ka6vYFc/Xu5aA+GWXUo2hJfmWOXMcEM+Op9fiEa F9EWqZmDv6qVARvq+Yfi8pHuzjdYzTDgGqbf02MWIlYSnd9ef549CUDOeDyawvOtM4H QCmXEgkHtTxL332+wffs59s5tx6l8rnJlvtLDRypdjL6L+tnfw1zAk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:17:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4BE6EC2C9C for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:17:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ARP8GpI-dMdt for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA946EC2CFD for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SMPfb-0001ol-fQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:15:39 +0000 Message-ID: <4$8LJDM4gblPFwbG@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:14:48 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture import problems - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1212 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists writes >OK, so the empty frame on p1 would have been a master one. But surely so >would those on the next pages? Yes, because the principal frame usually auto links. >Is there any way to specify that a frame when you create it is a picture one >not a text one? No. Other than inserting a picture in it. However the old Ovation program had dedicated picture frames and you could copy one of those into an OP document. >In this particular document all I wanted to do was create a framework to >hold about 30 full-page A4 scans, so there was just a master page with a >frame on it, and nothing else. Then I added 2 more empty pages and dragged >the first 3 images in. Nothing to stop you creating a document with a simple (non-autolinked) frame on the masterpage and then dropping pictures into the document and creating more pages as needed. I often do that for scans. (New document, untick 'Default master frame' etc.) >Would it nmake more sense for me to put a text frame inside the default >frame when editing the master page? No. There is no nesting, and if you embed it you're making life complicated. > Would that then give me an ordinary >frame on each page? No. >But why a text overflow on a picture import? You drop a picture into a text flow, a frame is created and then embedded in the text flow. It is like a single large character. If that frame is too big, you will get a text overflow. It is as if I type the letter 'A' and then set it to 500 points high. >They were all created by the same app; it's hard to see why they wouldn't >all be the same. They may all be the same, and the difference is what you did with them. Like dropping some in empty frames and the others into frames already containing text. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Apr 23 22:08:26 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SMQFq-0oHGPo-05-Cht.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:08:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SMQFq-0oHGPo-05-Cht; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:53:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SMQFq-0oHGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:53:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SMQFb-0007AM-Vp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:53:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2DF0EBFDE0; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:27:25 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335212846; bh=3hAqPjhGEXGhuoOqpGVsLoAmhpNbF3hJ1wu8JG6q O4w=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=q9xrf/JsShY0YVOac5NC1rZhuVUH8Uv7ehsLg09ugFCc7vJwVt 9v1D5GFMmORdIBfgm7mWEYSkEtHu/lG1hJCJJ6D9HNOPr3g/hKHD2KLS58R3EVA+Y9x xiJkGsZH2n00QdnwACSovaFb9cgWxasrinD5yslq5CUUqfK2S1wLiU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iZ6EcC87cRct; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F259BEBFCC8; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:27:12 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335212845; bh=3hAqPjhGEXGhuoOqpGVsLoAmhpNbF3hJ1wu8JG6q O4w=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=FqGxph7IYCAQj5/R0nwqHkn4iOVYJ7rIMGcH4kuCZoLPSBE6eN Zk+XysTrNVz9h6eZGNue0hg2OqIpgdbtnOVqwviJWJRGFvJaY49yI/76vPnxcEcxe74 KG3GQjB19MaO6dKbCyyTtEg767KAcD6+jWWV6zk9bTz3nzIlPEW6XM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:27:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CBB5FEBFDA6 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:27:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0ilOq0xMz93q for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 511C1EBFCC8 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([109.176.220.44]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q3NKQvXY013552 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:26:57 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture import problems - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:26:43 +0100 Message-ID: <7e77168552.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1213 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >> When you drag and drop a picture in to a frame. If the frame is empty and >> is not an auto linked master frame, then the picture is imported and >> converts the frame in to a picture frame. > OK, so the empty frame on p1 would have been a master one. But surely so > would those on the next pages? > Is there any way to specify that a frame when you create it is a picture one > not a text one? It's whatever you first put into it. > In this particular document all I wanted to do was create a framework to > hold about 30 full-page A4 scans, so there was just a master page with a > frame on it, and nothing else. Then I added 2 more empty pages and dragged > the first 3 images in. > Would it nmake more sense for me to put a text frame inside the default > frame when editing the master page? Would that then give me an ordinary > frame on each page? A quick test here suggests that will work. >> In the other cases, the picture causes a frame to be created in the text >> flow. In this situation there is some logic which says how big the >> embedded frame is, if it is too big then you get a text overflow from >> which there is no easy way of recovering. > But why a text overflow on a picture import? That occurs when you drop a picture into a frame that alreeady contains text, even a single space or return. That makes it a text frams -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 24 12:01:44 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SMcM4-3r1Vbs-04-98B.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:01:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SMcM4-3r1Vbs-04-98B; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:48:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SMcM4-3r1Vbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:48:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SMcM1-0000oY-RR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:48:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D26D0EC2E4C; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:48:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335260891; bh=wUrxx7dmKP92b5z128iPxWZr1BM/5Eqm39sZIYKN LXA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=eaXpR/ GWvu+bJWOT9NaINx6kpCtR6Qa6Rr66qT/TuwnbLjC/5VE+RefbsNvW/UXu0HmBwAXj9 CO8bPjQhVsUfYR1LSWe9wEEimLXCli6XE/F5mPOd7avMLCzNj/eJ7BYSKGU5M4AA0As 3mACPhaEpiOb/3cJs5iq5VgKTedorzY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4n8-h9NRiH2H; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1C0FEC2DA1; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:47:58 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335260891; bh=wUrxx7dmKP92b5z128iPxWZr1BM/5Eqm39sZIYKN LXA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=eaXpR/ GWvu+bJWOT9NaINx6kpCtR6Qa6Rr66qT/TuwnbLjC/5VE+RefbsNvW/UXu0HmBwAXj9 CO8bPjQhVsUfYR1LSWe9wEEimLXCli6XE/F5mPOd7avMLCzNj/eJ7BYSKGU5M4AA0As 3mACPhaEpiOb/3cJs5iq5VgKTedorzY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:47:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72E97EC2E4C for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:47:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jjzkKtw-GYRO for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEF2FEC2DA1 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AMD2. ([91.85.34.78]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q3O9ljtO006645 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:47:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:48:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture import problems - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) Message-ID: <52855fd532riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1214 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > When you drag and drop a picture in to a frame. If the frame is > > empty and is not an auto linked master frame, then the picture is > > imported and converts the frame in to a picture frame. > OK, so the empty frame on p1 would have been a master one. But > surely so would those on the next pages? > Is there any way to specify that a frame when you create it is a > picture one not a text one? So far as I can see, no. Frames are frames: they accept text or a picture in them. But if you put a picture in a frame containing text, the picture quite logically displaces the text already there. > In this particular document all I wanted to do was create a > framework to hold about 30 full-page A4 scans, so there was just a > master page with a frame on it, and nothing else. Then I added 2 > more empty pages and dragged the first 3 images in. Let me suggest a way to achieve this. a) Create a frame - an ordinary frame, not a master frame - in your first page, the size of your intended pictures. b) Copy that empty frame (Ctrl+C) to the clipboard. c) Now create an extra empty page (Menu > Page > Create new page: after 1). d) Paste (Ctrl+V) the frame you've copied into this new page 2. e) You can't simply create (say) 30 further pages after the last empty one - its a logical issue which has previously been discussed. But, having put the duplicate blank frame on page 2, you're at liberty to go back to page 1 and add (say) 30 pages _between_ that and page 2: (Menu > Page > Create 30 new pages: after 1). You've now got 32 pages. f) You can now paste (Ctrl+V) the frame you originally copied into each of these new pages. g) All that remains to do is to drop the different pictures into the individual frame on each page. Obviously if you want more than one frame on a page, you simply change the size of the existing frame and create another new frame in that page too. Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 24 14:46:09 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SMg1w-2hZ000-04-Dyp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:46:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SMg1w-2hZ000-04-Dyp; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:43:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SMg1w-2hZ000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:43:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SMg1t-00077h-VO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:43:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F4085EC31CF; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:43:39 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335275020; bh=mkyB4DHgNrBBHmPByeRfjI4yrOUmLAW7hIb8liaG Ldg=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=UKaIIIDyiLJ/MHC00GBa2Gez+Ru1NdcU1AdUjGewwOVr0LdF8i E3LGfMMA0C/azqlFQuMr8vNQneSG2M2UTR7q/95XgDfmsv+j84VDuzO5lmHzcZRMEN0 eJ2Lq6o8dGd6IRkVdPpDuaBW8NCDgLFZBJf17R0cwzl1VItVXozpdE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y9XNuhgs73mk; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1CB0EC31B4; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:43:26 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335275019; bh=mkyB4DHgNrBBHmPByeRfjI4yrOUmLAW7hIb8liaG Ldg=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=SmmAlZCR7Ua2nNyWoeML35NphRdbyDFBrmh9nkAPI5Otj2O2+W geGCVPpI5XVzj2jtDCf620U9pvdYdvwpwAYeKxR6VN3WX9EHz6lAjdw+hnyvfTZqRzm jWEjm5U3H8c92BqvIrfH+KgVXq8cT7DoZk4hDzRlEEZaTASj1cvWUU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:43:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77418EC31B7 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:43:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wt6lQqtNVMpz for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC383EC31B4 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SMg1b-0002oT-ov for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:43:23 +0000 Message-ID: <4t5rdeBu3qlPFwq5@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:43:10 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture import problems - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) References: <52855fd532riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <52855fd532riscos@mdharding.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1215 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <52855fd532riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding writes >So far as I can see, no. Frames are frames: they accept text or a >picture in them. But if you put a picture in a frame containing text, >the picture quite logically displaces the text already there. A frame is created the picture is put in the frame, the frame is then embedded in the existing text (which remains). >e) You can't simply create (say) 30 further pages after the last >empty one - its a logical issue which has previously been discussed. If you turn off auto page delete (document preferences) you can create as many empty pages as you like. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 24 15:31:10 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SMgao-4O0000-01-DPx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:31:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SMgao-4O0000-01-DPx; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:19:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SMgao-4O0000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:19:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SMgai-0003ne-17 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:19:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF860EC30F2; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:19:37 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335277177; bh=KNmTPLhDYHDjphslg677WfvUDzo1nduLK39+b22S HXQ=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=An5n9MKLBymoqfqUB9E1AK38GpayhvbghMooxhkUfn+jKGmazU 9m6012pt0DW+Emhrqh2O/PwSb6yVvlI6C+0np5U5fKz49yOlzlOys5jTKC2X/OyDBQu OBDdloHb+ZrTqFRvOlBgOQAG+dfcRdBIeZBWIL1kgY0wc6BqHHwfgA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mpK7HOwa1dJw; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FD5AEC3065; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:19:24 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335277176; bh=KNmTPLhDYHDjphslg677WfvUDzo1nduLK39+b22S HXQ=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=mCe2ZRZ6mCsQJ+5khYGDkw3FryCXh+LamFv7AR8Fk+xaI9yp7y dWDfnxmafz2RTS6eU5WKjOyOYH+CIPGswJXM8jTPW2C3GaxbLEHtrtXrkdTAkXX74Wn U16mV/DYlpWPHeeD9Bgg+0YyGlEUMXx2S+SKomwaC3LNg50XtTZHOg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:19:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 363F4EC30A3 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:19:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CQVXHaA8xuCF for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zhbdzmsp-smta17.bluewin.ch (zhbdzmsp-smta17.bluewin.ch [195.186.99.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FB75EC3065 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [195.186.227.131] ([195.186.227.131:34923] helo=zhhdzmsp-smta14.bluewin.ch) by zhbdzmsp-smta17.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C9/88-03203-966B69F4; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:19:21 +0000 Received: from ACER.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch (83.77.193.180) by zhhdzmsp-smta14.bluewin.ch (8.5.142) (authenticated as janvredenburch@bluewin.ch) id 4F509E6104AD55E1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:19:21 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture import problems - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:18:55 +0200 Message-ID: References: <52855fd532riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <52855fd532riscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.05 (MsgServe/6.04) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120424-0, 04/24/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 1216 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <52855fd532riscos@mdharding.org.uk> M Harding wrote: Rev. Harding has indeed mentioned one way to handle the multiple draw frames Jeremy Nicoll wants for multiple frames. Maybe the following solution gives more freedom. Open the Master page and set the default master page sizes such that along some side you have only an outside margin of 1mm (or less) left. Now select the Frame Tool and create a frame on this master page such that you maintain a blank space between the outside of the newly created frame and the inside of the default master page. Close the master page and check that you can position the caret between frame border and page border. Now, if you press Ctrl-Enter (in windoze) or Ctrl-P (in RiscOS) in that blank space a new page is created, of course every time with a picture frame. This way you create new pages with pictures as you need them. As Rev. Harding states you can have more than one frame. As an idea add a smaller frame attached to the created frame on the Master Page. You can then add some text next/under/above the picture. As long as the created frames on the Master Pages are empty you are free to enter text or picture. > In article , > Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists > wrote: >> David Pilling wrote: >>> When you drag and drop a picture in to a frame. If the frame is >>> empty and is not an auto linked master frame, then the picture is >>> imported and converts the frame in to a picture frame. >> OK, so the empty frame on p1 would have been a master one. But >> surely so would those on the next pages? >> Is there any way to specify that a frame when you create it is a >> picture one not a text one? > So far as I can see, no. Frames are frames: they accept text or a > picture in them. But if you put a picture in a frame containing text, > the picture quite logically displaces the text already there. >> In this particular document all I wanted to do was create a >> framework to hold about 30 full-page A4 scans, so there was just a >> master page with a frame on it, and nothing else. Then I added 2 >> more empty pages and dragged the first 3 images in. > Let me suggest a way to achieve this. > a) Create a frame - an ordinary frame, not a master frame - in your > first page, the size of your intended pictures. > b) Copy that empty frame (Ctrl+C) to the clipboard. > c) Now create an extra empty page (Menu > Page > Create new page: > after 1). > d) Paste (Ctrl+V) the frame you've copied into this new page 2. > e) You can't simply create (say) 30 further pages after the last > empty one - its a logical issue which has previously been discussed. > But, having put the duplicate blank frame on page 2, you're at > liberty to go back to page 1 and add (say) 30 pages _between_ that > and page 2: (Menu > Page > Create 30 new pages: after 1). You've now > got 32 pages. > f) You can now paste (Ctrl+V) the frame you originally copied into > each of these new pages. > g) All that remains to do is to drop the different pictures into the > individual frame on each page. > Obviously if you want more than one frame on a page, you simply change > the size of the existing frame and create another new frame in that > page too. > Michael Harding > Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 24 16:16:11 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SMhF7-3brknw-01-Cle.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:16:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SMhF7-3brknw-01-Cle; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:01:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SMhF7-3brknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:01:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SMhEs-0006mw-27 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:01:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66317EC32D2; 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Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avasout01.plus.net (avasout01.plus.net [84.93.230.227]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E8B4EBFECF for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([90.201.24.66]) by avasout01 with smtp id 1r0h1j0071RZtX601r0imW; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:00:42 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bbDpoZzB c=1 sm=1 a=fJSqpm/DV21JtEqq4lfU5w==:17 a=Bsb2GI76V5gA:10 a=o-9QQLEH044A:10 a=ZkHWUxPWGHwA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=v6Aic-fSAAAA:8 a=lL1mXbsYLHCbriP0M_0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=H5NK_xXy_Y3wN4Ln:21 a=2o-Uq_DxkFRd0ZKS:21 a=fJSqpm/DV21JtEqq4lfU5w==:117 X-AUTH: southfarm:2500 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:56:49 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture import problems - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4t5rdeBu3qlPFwq5@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <52855fd532riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <4t5rdeBu3qlPFwq5@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.69.2.3801 (Qt/4.7.4) (Mac-OS/10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1217 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 24 Apr at 14:43, David Pilling wrote: > In message <52855fd532riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding > writes > > > e) You can't simply create (say) 30 further pages after the last > > empty one - its a logical issue which has previously been discussed. > > If you turn off auto page delete (document preferences) you can create > as many empty pages as you like. Bingo! Many thanks for that: it has resolved a long standing problem for me. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org for a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 24 17:01:14 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SMhvX-04cGPo-07-C5E.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:01:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SMhvX-04cGPo-07-C5E; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:45:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SMhvX-04cGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:45:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SMhvT-00051H-8n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:45:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95C27EC31CE; 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Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:44:17 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture import problems - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <52855fd532riscos@mdharding.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1218 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > Open the Master page and set the default master page sizes such that along > some side you have only an outside margin of 1mm (or less) left. Now > select the Frame Tool and create a frame on this master page such that you > maintain a blank space between the outside of the newly created frame and > the inside of the default master page. Close the master page and check > that you can position the caret between frame border and page border. > Now, if you press Ctrl-Enter (in windoze) or Ctrl-P (in RiscOS) in that > blank space a new page is created, of course every time with a picture > frame. This way you create new pages with pictures as you need them. Another clever way of getting around the problem... I thank you. >As Rev. Harding states you can have more than one frame. As an idea >add a smaller frame attached to the created frame on the Master Page. >You can then add some text next/under/above the picture. As long as >the created frames on the Master Pages are empty you are free to enter >text or picture. I've done lots of that in the past... -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 24 17:01:14 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SMhvb-0IJGPo-05-C5A.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:01:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SMhvb-0IJGPo-05-C5A; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:45:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SMhvb-0IJGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:45:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SMhvV-0005wV-S1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:45:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C14ECEC31E4; 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Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:40:13 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture import problems - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52855fd532riscos@mdharding.org.uk> References: <52855fd532riscos@mdharding.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1218 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling M Harding wrote: >Let me suggest a way to achieve this. > >a) Create a frame - an ordinary frame, not a master frame - in your >first page, the size of your intended pictures. > >b) Copy that empty frame (Ctrl+C) to the clipboard. I would never have thought of doing that. At best I'd have tried to copy the non-existent content of a frame somewhere... >c) Now create an extra empty page (Menu > Page > Create new page: >after 1). > >d) Paste (Ctrl+V) the frame you've copied into this new page 2. > >e) You can't simply create (say) 30 further pages after the last >empty one - its a logical issue which has previously been discussed. ... and I understand that. > But, having put the duplicate blank frame on page 2, you're at liberty to > go back to page 1 and add (say) 30 pages _between_ that and page 2: (Menu > > Page > Create 30 new pages: after 1). You've now got 32 pages. That's really clever. >f) You can now paste (Ctrl+V) the frame you originally copied into >each of these new pages. > >g) All that remains to do is to drop the different pictures into the >individual frame on each page. I bow down thrice in your general direction - or at least I bowed pointing South-ish, assuming you ARE south of Edinburgh. I hope you received the adulation ok! -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Apr 24 17:31:14 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SMiXy-0bS000-03-BSn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:31:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SMiXy-0bS000-03-BSn; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:24:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SMiXy-0bS000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:24:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SMiXu-0005nR-8w for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:24:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2CD2EEC261B; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:24:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335284692; bh=4LwDAOdogPlBKcykKXphbmCS9oerrujWibTwTsCl AhM=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=fI9+nw nFXM1FzTUHbuuQzwRurPMkAI1bOdXiKAezCR4j3OADIP50aXDJXUgjTqgUGKTixEEC2 OHW/OsyeOs5dp9u/OYfGy06bHv7gHKZdyFDI4fKWOQrgbk4uPeu6XcLgL8m3CwPJYzd AHVrA5f3hOFchTiZYB191yrb0z9G0XI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0XibKqGqvJoq; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB484EC274C; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:24:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335284691; bh=4LwDAOdogPlBKcykKXphbmCS9oerrujWibTwTsCl AhM=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=eHr8rr K3uSld8uMtiRPZx0/0OZgdf3zRiqvR09sCj19hhPVBAamNWa57FTtu/RibZpwHu/62w W/qjz5tTYqgZZtOQ8Vx9lCcfuKaxhoc1cQQ7SqIfLPM/emXZZPYq3P4IVskGt8iEdJm r1S1z5mRUzK8wbvdD4EaL438eCMZTQo= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:24:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C1FFEC2799 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:24:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3SgGftN2oUsR for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50B76EC274C for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 12:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AMD2. ([91.85.42.40]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q3OGOKwA029052 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:24:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 17:24:32 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Picture import problems - OPW 2.92 (12 Jan 2011) Message-ID: <528584213briscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <52855fd532riscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1219 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: > M Harding wrote: > >Let me suggest a way to achieve this. [ . . . . ] > I bow down thrice in your general direction - or at least I bowed > pointing South-ish, assuming you ARE south of Edinburgh. I hope > you received the adulation ok! And I bow down to Meneer van Vredenburch for his creative method. But I bow down even further to The Master, DP, who corrected my memory about how to create empty pages. Michael Harding Rev. Preb. 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Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1F44EC0E68 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120425094906.QWHC10053.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:49:06 +0100 Received: from [77.96.185.127] (helo=bobsnewpc) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SMykc-0003vC-T3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:43:07 +0100 From: "Bob Hughes" To: References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> <20110304232658.16413917@mdxu> <51af56877cdave@triffid.co.uk> <51af58d1d6chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51af62f08ddave@triffid.co.uk> <51af9451d2dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Subject: [softwarelist] !TRANSIMP problem Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:43:09 +0100 Message-ID: <000001cd22c7$d2f99260$78ecb720$@hughes@blueyonder.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acvb+by8ZEN3CQYYRBWzli6+qj5P4VGzJ8DQ Content-Language: en-gb X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=3NElcqgl2aoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=22Auu1q68BTwJ44iAx8A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 1220 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bob.hughes@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling I have installed my friends copy of Ovation PRO on Virtual RiscPC on his MAC Desktop machine. Upgraded to v2.77. Downloaded the first Transloader !TransIMP from David's website, put it into !boot Resources so that his wife can load her Impression Publisher docs into OvationPro. Turned off, re booted RISCPC ran OVPRO and beep Shared CLIB out of date error! I hope I know where the shared CLibs are Resources.!System.Modules and ditto in 310. Tried to find a version no or even v in !edit and cannot. So can anybody enlighten me as to what I am doing wrong and More importantly how to correct it? He is running Strongarm and RISCOS 4.39 under emulation. Many thanks. 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([80.229.143.2]) by avasout01 with smtp id 2Bj91j00503K0D401BjATz; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:43:10 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bbDpoZzB c=1 sm=1 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:17 a=QGUEKgwgM5kA:10 a=ihvODaAuJD4A:10 a=a5Gf7U6LAAAA:8 a=E40RJNG1AAAA:8 a=T2a92_JZXVf3rqq27PMA:9 a=yHIqe9kG5mgA:10 a=FCP_5QzYKHkFkoVg:21 a=dCcwhe_-yJ_CWJM-:21 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:117 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:42:31 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !TRANSIMP problem Message-ID: <5285ee2563chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <000001cd22c7$d2f99260$78ecb720$@hughes@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> <20110304232658.16413917@mdxu> <51af56877cdave@triffid.co.uk> <51af58d1d6chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51af62f08ddave@triffid.co.uk> <51af9451d2dave@triffid.co.uk> <000001cd22c7$d2f99260$78ecb720$@hughes@blueyonder.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1221 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <000001cd22c7$d2f99260$78ecb720$@hughes@blueyonder.co.uk>, Bob Hughes wrote: > I hope I know where the shared CLibs are Resources.!System.Modules > and ditto in 310. The sharedCLibrary will normally be in the ROM. Open a task window (Ctrl-F12) and enter *help modules. You will get a long list of all the active modules. Within the first dozen or so you should see C Library listed (its no 12 in RISC OS 5.18). What is its version number? You could also do a *rommodules in the task window. This will show whether the ROM version is still active, or is dormant because another version is being used. You will probably need to get a 26/32 bit neutral version from the ROOL site. Go to http://www.riscosopen.org/content/downloads/other-zipfiles and about half way down you will find a zip file under System resources. A recent CLib should be in there. 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I went to RISCOS open downloaded ( after 3.6 but before RISCOS 5) system zipfile, unzipped it and used its enclosed system merge. Powered down, powered up emulator and .... same problem. H. modules shows its loading CLIB 4.98 5 june 2003 instead of 5.67 10 feb 2012. *rommodules shows sharedCLIb as 4.98 5 june 2003 active. So how come the rom version is still active?? To double check If I click on the new system no problems as CLIB 5.67 is loaded and run checked by displaying under *h.modules. I have manually replaced both versions of CLIB in !boot using !filefind. Over to those in the know. -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Chris Johnson Sent: 25 April 2012 12:43 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !TRANSIMP problem In article <000001cd22c7$d2f99260$78ecb720$@hughes@blueyonder.co.uk>, Bob Hughes wrote: > I hope I know where the shared CLibs are Resources.!System.Modules and > ditto in 310. The sharedCLibrary will normally be in the ROM. Open a task window (Ctrl-F12) and enter *help modules. You will get a long list of all the active modules. Within the first dozen or so you should see C Library listed (its no 12 in RISC OS 5.18). What is its version number? You could also do a *rommodules in the task window. This will show whether the ROM version is still active, or is dormant because another version is being used. You will probably need to get a 26/32 bit neutral version from the ROOL site. Go to http://www.riscosopen.org/content/downloads/other-zipfiles and about half way down you will find a zip file under System resources. A recent CLib should be in there. 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([80.229.143.2]) by avasout01 with smtp id 2EU91j00903K0D401EUA75; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:28:11 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=bbDpoZzB c=1 sm=1 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:17 a=QGUEKgwgM5kA:10 a=ihvODaAuJD4A:10 a=a5Gf7U6LAAAA:8 a=RVdza6WLoURxn2-Z6AgA:9 a=3tOa9a5JT0G5QHFWTUAA:7 a=yHIqe9kG5mgA:10 a=J5F_Xl4QWnf3euYf:21 a=CGkg4KBkAfvDFK23:21 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:117 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:28:01 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !TRANSIMP problem Message-ID: <5285fd4c4fchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <000001cd22e9$31197a10$934c6e30$@hughes@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> <20110304232658.16413917@mdxu> <51af56877cdave@triffid.co.uk> <51af58d1d6chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51af62f08ddave@triffid.co.uk> <51af9451d2dave@triffid.co.uk> <000001cd22c7$d2f99260$78ecb720$@hughes@blueyonder.co.uk> <5285ee2563chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <000001cd22e9$31197a10$934c6e30$@hughes@blueyonder.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1223 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <000001cd22e9$31197a10$934c6e30$@hughes@blueyonder.co.uk>, Bob Hughes wrote: > To double check If I click on the new system no problems as CLIB > 5.67 is loaded and run checked by displaying under *h.modules. Does OPro run if you do this before launching OPro? In general, apps will rmensure and load modules in their !Run file. However, checking my copy of OPro.!Run, the lines that should do this are commented out. David will know whether this is normal - I cannot remember doing this myself for any reason. One really wants to load the CLib as early as possible. On my Iyonix, it is checked very early on. In the file !Boot.!Run I have the lines RMEnsure SharedCLibrary 5.43 RMLoad System:Modules.CLib RMEnsure SharedCLibrary 5.43 Error This !Boot structure requires SharedCLibrary version 5.43 or later These lines are just after the line that runs !System. You could try putting the lines in the !Boot.!Run file and see if that helps. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 25 15:43:51 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SN3MZ-0GFGPo-08-GDk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:43:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SN3MZ-0GFGPo-08-GDk; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:38:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SN3MZ-0GFGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:38:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SN3LL-0002EG-La for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:38:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBE17EC301C; 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Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1550AEC2966 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SN3Ct-0007n9-Yr for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:28:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:27:08 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !TRANSIMP problem References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> <20110304232658.16413917@mdxu> <51af56877cdave@triffid.co.uk> <51af58d1d6chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51af62f08ddave@triffid.co.uk> <51af9451d2dave@triffid.co.uk> <5285ee2563chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <000001cd22e9$31197a10$934c6e30$@hughes> In-Reply-To: <000001cd22e9$31197a10$934c6e30$@hughes> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1224 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <000001cd22e9$31197a10$934c6e30$@hughes>, Bob Hughes writes >I went to RISCOS open downloaded ( after 3.6 but before RISCOS 5) system >zipfile, unzipped it and used its enclosed system merge. >Powered down, powered up emulator and .... same problem. >H. modules shows its loading CLIB 4.98 5 june 2003 instead of 5.67 10 feb >2012. There was a common error people made in writing !Run files that would force an older version of the C library to be loaded. So A.N. Other app would mess things up. Not too sure if that is relevant in the modern era. I'm not clear what version of C lib should be present for Virtual RPC and what version Ovation Pro will require - because like most things it set off demanding 32 bit C lib but then was eventually linked with StubsG which allowed older versions. Some diversity of OP versions, 32 and 26 bits off CD (10 years of different versions), or the very latest one off my web site? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 25 17:13:52 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SN4jv-06bGPo-04-EqO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:13:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SN4jv-06bGPo-04-EqO; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:06:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SN4jv-06bGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:06:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SN4js-0003FU-Dc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:06:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0B81EC340D; 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Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D228EC0EEF for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.2]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120425160627.HUXX22007.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:06:27 +0100 Received: from [77.96.185.127] (helo=bobsnewpc) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SN4jX-0006yL-8J for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:06:23 +0100 From: "Bob Hughes" To: References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> <20110304232658.16413917@mdxu> <51af56877cdave@triffid.co.uk> <51af58d1d6chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51af62f08ddave@triffid.co.uk> <51af9451d2dave@triffid.co.uk> <5285ee2563chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <000001cd22e9$31197a10$934c6e30$@hughes> In-Reply-To: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !TRANSIMP problem Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:06:32 +0100 Message-ID: <000001cd22fd$61e48950$25ad9bf0$@hughes@blueyonder.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0i8Oou+vIpet/kSwCOpkVHjRkeYgADEQfw Content-Language: en-gb X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=16GDcHjTmcAA:10 a=3NElcqgl2aoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=a5Gf7U6LAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=UiwU8arx7cauJTi4PhoA:9 a=kmJzOLH9nrJSxwRK2KsA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=yHIqe9kG5mgA:10 a=_NffIeWarVOfzGrT:21 a=Cphph1Z6sY5EkeCT:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 1225 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bob.hughes@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling I installed his version off CD then upgraded to latest off your website. -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of David Pilling Sent: 25 April 2012 15:27 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !TRANSIMP problem Hi, In message <000001cd22e9$31197a10$934c6e30$@hughes>, Bob Hughes writes >I went to RISCOS open downloaded ( after 3.6 but before RISCOS 5) >system zipfile, unzipped it and used its enclosed system merge. >Powered down, powered up emulator and .... same problem. >H. modules shows its loading CLIB 4.98 5 june 2003 instead of 5.67 10 >feb 2012. There was a common error people made in writing !Run files that would force an older version of the C library to be loaded. So A.N. Other app would mess things up. Not too sure if that is relevant in the modern era. I'm not clear what version of C lib should be present for Virtual RPC and what version Ovation Pro will require - because like most things it set off demanding 32 bit C lib but then was eventually linked with StubsG which allowed older versions. Some diversity of OP versions, 32 and 26 bits off CD (10 years of different versions), or the very latest one off my web site? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 25 18:42:51 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SN64f-3JZ000-05-DVe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:42:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SN64f-3JZ000-05-DVe; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:32:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SN64f-3JZ000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:32:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SN64a-00078L-78 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A940EC0C5A for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SN64H-00061g-gL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:31:53 +0000 Message-ID: <$kB6fQDATDmPFwjz@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:30:40 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !TRANSIMP problem References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> <20110304232658.16413917@mdxu> <51af56877cdave@triffid.co.uk> <51af58d1d6chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51af62f08ddave@triffid.co.uk> <51af9451d2dave@triffid.co.uk> <5285ee2563chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5285fd4c4fchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <5285fd4c4fchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1226 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <5285fd4c4fchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes >In general, apps will rmensure and load modules in their !Run file. >However, checking my copy of OPro.!Run, the lines that should do this >are commented out. David will know whether this is normal - I cannot >remember doing this myself for any reason. There are a couple of things - in the early days one checked the C lib version and if it was too old, loaded a new one. That was frowned upon, because the C library is dynamically linked to running programs, so if another program was using the already loaded old C lib and you replaced it with a newer version trouble ensued. That is one reason why lines may be commented. Second reason, is the thing I mentioned that the 32 bit version of OP set off as requiring C lib 5 for Iyonix but was later linked with the version of stubs that allowed 32 bit code to use older versions of the C library. Bob, thanks for clarifying that you have latest OP. Should not be choosey about C lib versions. From the above you can deduce that the newest version of C lib must be loaded on boot, and after boot there is no way of changing to a newer one. You can double click for testing, but in general not a good idea. I've had a busy day, eventually time will permit me to turn on the Iyonix and come up with some better researched comments. BTW if anyone is wondering, I replaced my ADSL modem, looks like a hardware problem on the old one. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 25 18:42:51 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SN6Du-3aZ000-04-DMP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:42:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SN6Du-3aZ000-04-DMP; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:41:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SN6Du-3aZ000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:41:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SN6Dn-0005Tf-AH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 17:41:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 134ABEC33D4; 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Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED244EC1C10 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120425174124.RRZS28064.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:41:24 +0100 Received: from [77.96.185.127] (helo=bobsnewpc) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SN6DQ-0000ai-Dj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:41:21 +0100 From: "Bob Hughes" To: References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> <20110304232658.16413917@mdxu> <51af56877cdave@triffid.co.uk> <51af58d1d6chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51af62f08ddave@triffid.co.uk> <51af9451d2dave@triffid.co.uk> <5285ee2563chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5285fd4c4fchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <$kB6fQDATDmPFwjz@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$kB6fQDATDmPFwjz@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !TRANSIMP problem Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:41:27 +0100 Message-ID: <000001cd230a$a7c4a560$f74df020$@hughes@blueyonder.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0jCV8NmY3j0z1cR46RviamuH50DQAAIWtw Content-Language: en-gb X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=16GDcHjTmcAA:10 a=3NElcqgl2aoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=Akos-SEiWRzf7aDN1NkA:9 a=eUPWSHImrCzUjzINbbIA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=vbHgV_wu_PLXbFfZ:21 a=Yv6zI7OVLHSEoSYo:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 1227 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bob.hughes@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Thanks for your thoughts I'll do some checking of !run files in !boot I did think of unplugging the older shared CLIb version in Rom so I could see if it was being softloaded elsewhere. Just down to detective work I think. Bob Hughes -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of David Pilling Sent: 25 April 2012 18:31 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !TRANSIMP problem Hi, In message <5285fd4c4fchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes >In general, apps will rmensure and load modules in their !Run file. >However, checking my copy of OPro.!Run, the lines that should do this >are commented out. David will know whether this is normal - I cannot >remember doing this myself for any reason. There are a couple of things - in the early days one checked the C lib version and if it was too old, loaded a new one. That was frowned upon, because the C library is dynamically linked to running programs, so if another program was using the already loaded old C lib and you replaced it with a newer version trouble ensued. That is one reason why lines may be commented. Second reason, is the thing I mentioned that the 32 bit version of OP set off as requiring C lib 5 for Iyonix but was later linked with the version of stubs that allowed 32 bit code to use older versions of the C library. Bob, thanks for clarifying that you have latest OP. Should not be choosey about C lib versions. From the above you can deduce that the newest version of C lib must be loaded on boot, and after boot there is no way of changing to a newer one. You can double click for testing, but in general not a good idea. I've had a busy day, eventually time will permit me to turn on the Iyonix and come up with some better researched comments. BTW if anyone is wondering, I replaced my ADSL modem, looks like a hardware problem on the old one. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Apr 25 19:12:51 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SN6bW-3Av000-01-Cyn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:12:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SN6bW-3Av000-01-Cyn; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:06:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SN6bW-3Av000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:06:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SN6bL-0001lY-K4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E432EC274E for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SN6ay-0005NS-kV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:05:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:05:36 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !TRANSIMP problem References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> <20110304232658.16413917@mdxu> <51af56877cdave@triffid.co.uk> <51af58d1d6chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51af62f08ddave@triffid.co.uk> <51af9451d2dave@triffid.co.uk> <5285ee2563chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5285fd4c4fchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <$kB6fQDATDmPFwjz@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$kB6fQDATDmPFwjz@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1228 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <$kB6fQDATDmPFwjz@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes >I've had a busy day, eventually time will permit me to turn on the >Iyonix and come up with some better researched comments. Yeah, there's a load of lines in !OvnPro.!Run which are commented. They came from the first Iyonix versions, and as I say time went on and what was need to run OP became less stringent, so I commented them. Problem is I can't see anything in the !Run that is demanding any version of the C lib. Two ideas, if your C lib is far out of date the actual code will complain, second idea, have you inserted something in !OvnPro.Autorun, or Applets. There's been all the talk above about TransIMP - seemingly not an immediate requirement for running OP. People sometimes stick that inside !OvnPro, result, run !OvnPro causes TransIMP (or whatever) to run. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 28 19:15:19 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SO9di-0NU000-02-G8j.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 19:15:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SO9di-0NU000-02-G8j; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:32:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SO9di-0NU000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:32:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SO9da-0003k2-Hm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 15:32:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83664EC4A2F; 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Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89CF9EC47B3 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 11:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.4]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120428153225.WXBJ10903.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:32:25 +0100 Received: from [77.96.185.127] (helo=bobsnewpc) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SO9c0-0002Ld-EK for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:31:04 +0100 From: "Bob Hughes" To: References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> <20110304232658.16413917@mdxu> <51af56877cdave@triffid.co.uk> <51af58d1d6chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51af62f08ddave@triffid.co.uk> <51af9451d2dave@triffid.co.uk> <5285ee2563chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5285fd4c4fchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <$kB6fQDATDmPFwjz@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !TRANSIMP problem Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:31:24 +0100 Message-ID: <001001cd2553$f85d9bd0$e918d370$@hughes@blueyonder.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac0jDhRC//meIFzMS2G4EKvZRyEoQQCRX9sQ Content-Language: en-gb X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=16GDcHjTmcAA:10 a=3NElcqgl2aoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=C9UWbsPT98xIjyudu6sA:9 a=g4R0ypNy1snNlA84I_kA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=VVV494G7M2CGtaqs:21 a=oG5s5HXnj-e-3LNb:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 1229 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bob.hughes@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling After failing to find what was running the old version of CLIB under Virtual RISCPC I took the suggestion below, uncommented out the line in OvationPro !Run file loading CLib, changing it to current version and it loads TransIMP no problem. Thanks Bob Hughes -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of David Pilling Sent: 25 April 2012 19:06 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !TRANSIMP problem Hi, In message <$kB6fQDATDmPFwjz@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes >I've had a busy day, eventually time will permit me to turn on the >Iyonix and come up with some better researched comments. Yeah, there's a load of lines in !OvnPro.!Run which are commented. They came from the first Iyonix versions, and as I say time went on and what was need to run OP became less stringent, so I commented them. Problem is I can't see anything in the !Run that is demanding any version of the C lib. Two ideas, if your C lib is far out of date the actual code will complain, second idea, have you inserted something in !OvnPro.Autorun, or Applets. There's been all the talk above about TransIMP - seemingly not an immediate requirement for running OP. People sometimes stick that inside !OvnPro, result, run !OvnPro causes TransIMP (or whatever) to run. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 29 19:36:53 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SOYmX-3tTknw-08-GZS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:36:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SOYmX-3tTknw-08-GZS; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:23:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SOYmX-3tTknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:23:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SOYmS-0007YV-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk (treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.102]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92BF7EC42C1 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 14:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.149.64]) by treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id q3TIN8gD012621 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:23:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.1.17] (host-89-241-237-20.as13285.net [89.241.237.20]) (authenticated user=cbonsall mech=PLAIN bits=0) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q3TIN7SI027349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:23:08 +0100 (BST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and CrossOver_11 for MacOS X From: Clive Bonsall In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:23:10 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <83FA59F1-9540-4888-A107-18800DBC9902@ed.ac.uk> References: <69C41ED1-62C7-4004-A2BF-D44DE5C4936A@ed.ac.uk> To: David Pilling X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.60, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 129.215.16.102 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 Content-Disposition: inline X-archive-position: 1230 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: c.bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi David Thanks for this ... > Hi, >=20 > In message <69C41ED1-62C7-4004-A2BF-D44DE5C4936A@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall= writes >> 1. Antialiasing =85 >=20 > I find it interesting that my copy of Ubuntu, makes no secret of the fact= that it is using 'cleartype' technology. MicroSoft made much of having inv= ented this technique. There is argument about whether it did, but my point = is that Linux can be set up to use various patented software techniques (or= not) for font rendering. There is also a version of CrossOver for Linux and I found the following in= formation online regarding anti-aliasing: http://www.codeweavers.com/suppo= rt/tickets/browse/?ticket_id=3D827739; The workaround suggested is:=20 > ENABLING SUBPIXEL REDERING/ANTI-ALIASING IN CROSSOVER > First you need to start Crossover Run Command, pick the bottle [i.e. OPW]= you want to enable anti-aliasing in, and for the name of the command to ru= n enter: > regedit > Then proceed to HKEY_CURRENT_USER>Control Panel>Desktop and set (or creat= e the key if it doesn't exist) to: > FontSmoothing=3D2 (string key) > FontSmoothingType=3D00000002 (dword key) > FontSmoothingGamma=3D00000578 (dword key) > FontSmoothingOrientation=3D00000001 (dword key) I have no idea what any of this means, or whether it will work for CrossOve= r on a Mac >> -- but the font name ("Times New Roman") is the same in Windows and >> MacOS. Is it possible to correct this via font mapping? Alternatively, i= s there >> any way to force OPW to select TNR as the default substitution font? >=20 > I'd be interested to see what font names are being put in documents. I will send you the DDL files from both the Win7 and CrossOver installation= s for the same document (off list) plus some background information >=20 > The font manager (in OPW) gives you a lot of scope for mapping font names= . The only snag or secret is finding out what names are being used - once y= ou know source and destination names all you have to do is set up a mapping. >=20 > For example RISC OS font names have dots in Homerton.Bold. So there can b= e tricky bits like that. >=20 > See Appendix A in the manual. It says there >=20 > "By selecting an empty string > for the Original name you can set a default > replacement font for any missing fonts which are > not covered by explicit replacements." >=20 > So that's how you set up the default replacement font. Thanks, that's useful to know. I'll give it a try. Best wishes =3D=3D Clive Bonsall --=20 The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. 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Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:18:55 +0100 (BST) From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_96E36CDA-7F1D-426D-9875-863A4F140374" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPW and CrossOver_11 for MacOS X Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:18:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83FA59F1-9540-4888-A107-18800DBC9902@ed.ac.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <69C41ED1-62C7-4004-A2BF-D44DE5C4936A@ed.ac.uk> <83FA59F1-9540-4888-A107-18800DBC9902@ed.ac.uk> Message-Id: <727E9ABD-5AE2-4AAA-8554-F3C9C81D6A14@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.52, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 --Apple-Mail=_96E36CDA-7F1D-426D-9875-863A4F140374 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline On 29 Apr 2012, at 19:23, David Pilling wrote: >> The font manager (in OPW) gives you a lot of scope for mapping font name= s. The only snag or secret is finding out what names are being used - once = you know source and destination names all you have to do is set up a mappin= g. >>=20 >> For example RISC OS font names have dots in Homerton.Bold. So there can = be tricky bits like that. >>=20 >> See Appendix A in the manual. It says there >>=20 >> "By selecting an empty string >> for the Original name you can set a default >> replacement font for any missing fonts which are >> not covered by explicit replacements." >>=20 >> So that's how you set up the default replacement font. Problem now solved, thanks to you =85 The Windows fonts that were not recognised by OPW under CrossOver were: TIM= ES NEW ROMAN and ARIAL In Mac OS X these are and The bold and italic fonts have the same names in Windows and Mac OS X =3D=3D Clive Bonsall --Apple-Mail=_96E36CDA-7F1D-426D-9875-863A4F140374 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline
On 29 Apr 20= 12, at 19:23, David Pilling wrote:

=
The font manager (in OPW) gives you a lot of scop= e for mapping font names. The only snag or secret is finding out what names= are being used - once you know source and destination names all you have t= o do is set up a mapping.

For example RISC OS font names have dot= s in Homerton.Bold. So there can be tricky bits like that.
=

See Ap= pendix A in the manual. It says there

"By selecting an empty stri= ng
for the Original name you can = set a default
replacement font fo= r any missing fonts which are
not= covered by explicit replacements."

So that's how you set up the = default replacement font.

Pro= blem now solved, thanks to you =85

The Windows fon= ts that were not recognised by OPW under CrossOver were: TIMES NEW ROMAN an= d ARIAL
In Mac OS X these are <Times New Roman REGULAR> and= <Arial REGULAR>
The bold and italic fonts have the same na= mes in Windows and Mac OS X

=3D=3D
Clive Bonsall


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boundary="----------=_1335806290-6513-57" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and CrossOver_11 for MacOS X Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:18:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83FA59F1-9540-4888-A107-18800DBC9902@ed.ac.uk> To: David Pilling References: <69C41ED1-62C7-4004-A2BF-D44DE5C4936A@ed.ac.uk> <83FA59F1-9540-4888-A107-18800DBC9902@ed.ac.uk> Message-Id: <6CE31B92-B2FD-462E-B558-2A95174B6035@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.60, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 129.215.16.102 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 X-archive-position: 1232 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: c.bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1335806290-6513-57 Received: from [192.168.1.17] (host-89-241-237-20.as13285.net [89.241.237.20]) (authenticated user=cbonsall mech=PLAIN bits=0) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q3UHI9Dr005627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:18:10 +0100 (BST) From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_57668837-07C2-4322-81C5-E66A976C22BF" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OPW and CrossOver_11 for MacOS X Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:18:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83FA59F1-9540-4888-A107-18800DBC9902@ed.ac.uk> To: David Pilling References: <69C41ED1-62C7-4004-A2BF-D44DE5C4936A@ed.ac.uk> <83FA59F1-9540-4888-A107-18800DBC9902@ed.ac.uk> Message-Id: <6CE31B92-B2FD-462E-B558-2A95174B6035@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.52, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 --Apple-Mail=_57668837-07C2-4322-81C5-E66A976C22BF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline On 29 Apr 2012, at 19:23, David Pilling wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> In message <69C41ED1-62C7-4004-A2BF-D44DE5C4936A@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsal= l writes >>> 1. Antialiasing =85 >>=20 >> I find it interesting that my copy of Ubuntu, makes no secret of the fac= t that it is using 'cleartype' technology. MicroSoft made much of having in= vented this technique. There is argument about whether it did, but my point= is that Linux can be set up to use various patented software techniques (o= r not) for font rendering. >=20 > There is also a version of CrossOver for Linux and I found the following = information online regarding anti-aliasing: http://www.codeweavers.com/sup= port/tickets/browse/?ticket_id=3D827739; > The workaround suggested is:=20 >=20 >> ENABLING SUBPIXEL REDERING/ANTI-ALIASING IN CROSSOVER >=20 >> First you need to start Crossover Run Command, pick the bottle [i.e. OPW= ] you want to enable anti-aliasing in, and for the name of the command to r= un enter: >> regedit >=20 >> Then proceed to HKEY_CURRENT_USER>Control Panel>Desktop and set (or crea= te the key if it doesn't exist) to: >> FontSmoothing=3D2 (string key) >> FontSmoothingType=3D00000002 (dword key) >> FontSmoothingGamma=3D00000578 (dword key) >> FontSmoothingOrientation=3D00000001 (dword key) I tried this but it appears to have no effect. Can anyone suggest another w= ay to improve sub-pixel antialiasing under WINE? =3D=3D Clive Bonsall --Apple-Mail=_57668837-07C2-4322-81C5-E66A976C22BF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline
On 29 Apr 20= 12, at 19:23, David Pilling wrote:

=
Hi,
In message <69C41ED1-62C7-4004-A2BF-D44DE5= C4936A@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall <c.bonsall@ed.ac.uk> writes
1. Antialiasing =85

I find it interesting that my copy of Ubuntu, makes no secret of the fact = that it is using 'cleartype' technology. MicroSoft made much of having inve= nted this technique. There is argument about whether it did, but my point i= s that Linux can be set up to use various patented software techniques (or = not) for font rendering.

There is also a version of Cro= ssOver for Linux and I found the following information online regarding ant= i-aliasing:  http://www.codeweavers.com/support/tickets/browse/= ?ticket_id=3D827739;
The workaround suggested is:

ENABLING SUBPIXEL REDERING/ANTI-ALIASING IN CROSSOVER

First you need to start Crossover = Run Command, pick the bottle [i.e. OPW] you want to enable anti-aliasing in= , and for the name of the command to run enter:
regedit

Then p= roceed to HKEY_CURRENT_USER>Control Panel>Desktop and set (or create = the key if it doesn't exist) to:
= FontSmoothing=3D2 (string key)
Fo= ntSmoothingType=3D00000002 (dword key)
FontSmoothingGamma=3D00000578 (dword key)
FontSmoothingOrientation=3D00000001 (dword key)
=

I tried this but it appears to have no ef= fect. Can anyone suggest another way to improve sub-pixel antialiasing unde= r WINE?

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Clive Bonsall


= --Apple-Mail=_57668837-07C2-4322-81C5-E66A976C22BF-- ------------=_1335806290-6513-57 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) Content-Description: Edinburgh University charitable status The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. ------------=_1335806290-6513-57-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 1 12:09:08 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SPAb1-3RR000-01-Cr2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 12:09:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SPAb1-3RR000-01-Cr2; Tue, 01 May 2012 10:46:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SPAb1-3RR000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 May 2012 10:46:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SPAaw-0000nZ-Rf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 May 2012 10:46:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35816EC6DD5; Tue, 1 May 2012 06:46:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335869169; bh=j5N3/WTVnZUY/+FO+HZWQcazZujoKlr6gc+cV4VJ 8fc=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=RyDrSFjQYEldmy1GmS5IhsgbGOoHfJJyp8efKbT237vwm8dGxz C8Ct5aUuvIDb8HWdjmZavU48AsmTpz8ou60tf5gt+HXLut2umQji/bMW07qUS6u8qlh OExIh7v/XpYL2B+b6gNtwZeD+bkMH1FcX3lYtZfCLZdy1Mbc7IBwng= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LN-e4P5Dk+xy; Tue, 1 May 2012 06:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36720EC64B4; Tue, 1 May 2012 06:45:54 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335869167; bh=j5N3/WTVnZUY/+FO+HZWQcazZujoKlr6gc+cV4VJ 8fc=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=fDYeoPrnjri3w3HJvfFY4DF6bknHlhnwhiJ0+b/JYCqPx2Ia7I SzpHGOs45mKqXFS12RDol/Q4O8snUfN3U7YK2O+i6e5ZWbTj73gwudKxmbsFe1PmkLu R2AJc+95q1zsCw89qdj5O+QNHQteM3fLK/UZ92ru3MCzjoPonB1pYg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 01 May 2012 06:45:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4133EC69CD for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 06:45:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rORK0-SN208u for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 06:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D7D8EC64B4 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 06:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SPAae-00028e-oh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 01 May 2012 10:45:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 11:44:17 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and CrossOver_11 for MacOS X References: <69C41ED1-62C7-4004-A2BF-D44DE5C4936A@ed.ac.uk> <83FA59F1-9540-4888-A107-18800DBC9902@ed.ac.uk> <6CE31B92-B2FD-462E-B558-2A95174B6035@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <6CE31B92-B2FD-462E-B558-2A95174B6035@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1233 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <6CE31B92-B2FD-462E-B558-2A95174B6035@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >I tried this but it appears to have no effect. Can anyone suggest another way >to improve sub-pixel antialiasing under WINE? WINE is probably quite common so someone may know. I don't actually have a version installed at the moment, but OP seemed to be fine when I did use it. That was under Ubuntu running on a Samsung laptop. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 2 18:47:35 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SPdPO-0KsVbs-03-9cD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 18:47:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SPdPO-0KsVbs-03-9cD; Wed, 02 May 2012 17:32:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SPdPO-0KsVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 02 May 2012 17:32:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SPdPK-0005y9-Mx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 02 May 2012 17:32:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8D2BEC8265; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:32:03 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335979923; bh=OHvBpOZC7AHcxEtIEUbvWAI6Pr+eRQVik12VHLt1 sx4=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=MHIJ+P7+aOkU84mjNeh7Rvzc2mSot3VfH+24Woi0 9F25m6cK1q2VHHrC0LqGPA/4ayghg28CdKVjkvjqFwOoQEYGu2z5bbZEs+cs1k7ikug gOKoDcuFCj1pAyD87HjmN56cTz8qQ/MdDmGvJ6VFjjASHh1voXotEDZvrSWB24DI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HJkQ8GwNPGKX; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D6A1EC7D2C; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:31:50 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335979922; bh=OHvBpOZC7AHcxEtIEUbvWAI6Pr+eRQVik12VHLt1 sx4=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=mA5AD9UWagJNJQPwfiYvYW71KYb3aDE5kqxy6696 rvM/ooS0bRAAem66trksUhpjGZLNVUFSEQKB8T9O7Dcabhj15nIwnclG6E9peqR4nqp XIdo0ks98zfnN6RMfh0JwemDKvdpnCgxnxgoNpaqpVAz4TISgTa6vI6bLAeGLtmI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 02 May 2012 13:31:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 612D3EC8101 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:31:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 71Tj08FXiaqC for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ee0-f51.google.com (mail-ee0-f51.google.com [74.125.83.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0360EC7D2C for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50so285846eek.10 for ; Wed, 02 May 2012 10:31:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=XisocRAAZAckyIHK26leZL/uFTu6PxT6RQ9snYzWytM=; b=XPN+TROVoNvXei4OTgb8CQIsDGjCJqdxcIXHCt54Q/aLsLZMJI9/3cbjNzV25w+0D5 FFJSVGVNBd4dmZu0ZanmvOV3lkNJ/m9uZb7K6j1/WmqSOOOeun00ZJB7RpgsUt5o8ktO 0ZnQ7wjuaQwR4xXqSp1uNvq2P47rGoA8dLkJqKkItewMIab222tggiAeog0hVlOVQl4S GAAL/J2QRWA3QEVYA5Sd8Cgi5EoVQlWwB8cMIR45UTkRF7lx/Wsck4NuJsj2bw9sBl1H 24CZcMESQhjUvzzp1nAdu7/rkRlhJWSgr/A+pt3wgeXzw2d4MoJWj3iaoHg23rY2iL/m cBvA== Received: by 10.213.2.83 with SMTP id 19mr1687657ebi.0.1335979906215; Wed, 02 May 2012 10:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e56sm12260920eea.11.2012.05.02.10.31.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 May 2012 10:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FA16F80.5000008@ntlworld.com> Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 18:31:44 +0100 From: Ian A Dunn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New Ov P in Windoze 7 References: <4FA13126.5010701@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlcHfeQEHh1GqQ2Sd2XF0d8kX1I8V77LHybbPrNIhPSDy+YKnKO0a2g6WPnDeGIwIGxP6yD X-archive-position: 1234 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: i.dunn2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 02/05/2012 16:48, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > In message <4FA13126.5010701@ntlworld.com>, Ian A Dunn > writes >> a] how do I get the macro for the double button bar to run please ? >> If I double click it from the CD then I get a long list of text which >> I assume are the definitions of the various macros available . > > I said "Ovation Pro has to be installed, if it is, there will be a run > type set up for extension .csc" > > One more thought on this, if you don't install as administrator, or if > you have clever anti virus protection software running, it may be that > my installer can't set the .csc type. > > The fact that running the file does something, rather points to > another program using the type. I suspect using File->Open will do for > what you need. > > There are other ways around two programs using the same type. > > As far a I am aware I did install as administrator . There is only one account at the moment called owner . You were quite right that file > open over the link I dragged from the CD into the download folder has given me the double button bar . On the other hand the font prog still tells me there isn't an installed and registered copy on the machine . Well it is sitting on the task bar and I take this to mean it is installed ! I registered as instructed and the beast tells me it is a registered copy after that . So one problem solved one remaining Ian To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 2 18:47:35 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SPdcd-0V5knw-01-9Oy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 18:47:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SPdcd-0V5knw-01-9Oy; Wed, 02 May 2012 17:45:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SPdcd-0V5knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 02 May 2012 17:45:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SPdcK-00077t-Ms for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 02 May 2012 17:45:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FAB8EC837C; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:44:46 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335980686; bh=h1+yibFwvEZe3VeP2NE3SXaJlFyA2fBlt/ywHV61 IR4=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=vGdXo3A90DKSzWyWvDOEdXVZPTHOXhfdRVz+H6kv1Mw9u81F0n RiPL6cGjswMqFw/ZhGJS4lMKi3Gst8i1U+Rnlh8gvcJpZ+0yjDMqdyWgRPuNaBuwIa2 dJeZU1Qv99kVZOsWJ5VQ4cZMJmg4qISTT8pZeMp9UTYg2F3q9VuuL0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1tLGyoeVJRVy; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E292BEC81AC; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:44:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335980685; bh=h1+yibFwvEZe3VeP2NE3SXaJlFyA2fBlt/ywHV61 IR4=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=SEHi06bynMXLn0b/QutvPtHYIhwhPusYbBmKVDN5rES2UJ25VS LS8Qca38eNTSsuCmtrcF9+qSXygII+YxA24nACuAJ4z/PeC7hK5N5MOJ0JCqf03In3L eaHZsrFyaaUWBA5Ssh7OUiREj8OSbDmJfFr5XXg6jLljzC7yClnA9U= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 02 May 2012 13:44:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6272EC8358 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:44:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JzFmJx6L88Wm for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8D6DEC81AC for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 13:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([109.176.239.250]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q42HiILk031201 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 18:44:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New Ov P in Windoze 7 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 18:43:57 +0100 Message-ID: <6f16aa8952.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <4FA13126.5010701@ntlworld.com> <4FA16F80.5000008@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4FA16F80.5000008@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1235 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <4FA16F80.5000008@ntlworld.com> Ian A Dunn wrote: > On 02/05/2012 16:48, David Pilling wrote: >> Hi, >> >> In message <4FA13126.5010701@ntlworld.com>, Ian A Dunn >> writes >>> a] how do I get the macro for the double button bar to run please ? >>> If I double click it from the CD then I get a long list of text which >>> I assume are the definitions of the various macros available . >> >> I said "Ovation Pro has to be installed, if it is, there will be a run >> type set up for extension .csc" >> >> One more thought on this, if you don't install as administrator, or if >> you have clever anti virus protection software running, it may be that >> my installer can't set the .csc type. >> >> The fact that running the file does something, rather points to >> another program using the type. I suspect using File->Open will do for >> what you need. >> >> There are other ways around two programs using the same type. >> >> > As far a I am aware I did install as administrator . There is only one > account at the moment called owner . You were quite right that file > > open over the link I dragged from the CD into the download folder has > given me the double button bar . On Windows 7 the first account created is not the administrator. Administratyor is a hidden and disabled account, and the only one with full access to the machine. To make use of it, right-click on an executable file and choose "Run as Administrator". You need to do this in particular when installing software. Turning off User Account Control reduces, but does not eliminate, the need for this. Some software simply will not run properly with UAC turned on - one thing that doesn't work is trying to save settings files within Program Files - they should go into Program Data. > On the other hand the font prog still tells me there isn't an installed > and registered copy on the machine . Well it is sitting on the task bar > and I take this to mean it is installed ! I registered as instructed and > the beast tells me it is a registered > copy after that . > So one problem solved one remaining > Ian > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 2 19:17:36 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SPe3S-2Dqknw-01-8y9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 19:17:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SPe3S-2Dqknw-01-8y9; Wed, 02 May 2012 18:13:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SPe3S-2Dqknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 02 May 2012 18:13:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SPe3O-0006fy-ML for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 02 May 2012 18:13:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C972EC8245; Wed, 2 May 2012 14:13:23 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335982403; bh=j5F7I1uDcIyjE5sc6LXbJxueKazybOXRQsGPvaEq IyY=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=inl+TTfj7BsB/q3t8wx3sv5iI4svTphVhpHDA/in PKSs4FU8Nu79m4Fj0T88kdRXGCY2QmG8MxkcGHEANtUP3fPErfORAjqsGIAHzsIs7vS WDzaxQOW1LvBCGe2wfuzK5J8oTDi8hT2tK+QlqFzuyuipCz92I6TrBgZTfKiMyPo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id frW6GhefqN1F; Wed, 2 May 2012 14:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8A87EC8199; Wed, 2 May 2012 14:13:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1335982402; bh=j5F7I1uDcIyjE5sc6LXbJxueKazybOXRQsGPvaEq IyY=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=c+l2mpWczw2sW61gCKHqt5NpB7y+amSEPsYCu8mN PNFxW3qCLFPb2b6+LRfIB4itgFggON2HjGO8JqIQC0SpJuAsPm5HuHEeTFZdF2KVtar ics+G/Ngc0sajIUh0uF7HlbukrcxnpOsoAVtUxemF9Lhxi/NODhAJcOnus2rsyTc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 02 May 2012 14:13:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B66FDEC821C for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 14:13:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mP47Qg68Q809 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 14:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ey0-f179.google.com (mail-ey0-f179.google.com [209.85.215.179]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E06CEC8199 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 14:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by eaak11 with SMTP id k11so292157eaa.10 for ; Wed, 02 May 2012 11:13:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=joEAXlDMkODbiqO3prKkf8+D84fPNqyqsZA1eyr0cTA=; b=Kre79D9VeqBWXykTaNhX1g9drskMjl7DlwgIjjILEOXodV/e0BtWSYQ3qYGwMwIsjW +Ew1wQ9eftZgdUK6T4/YnzgcSILKIsQ/02svgMYWL3Ukqv9NaxvqbQf/9pB4EjmGIC7t lOs3gFNlMuwZvAjmLUdZ6+yUE9KzB+lkaJBxNwnrPGOqtm2W+zYb/Re7k9BzCa/VnDPb hRx/br4S+v71xz7JZfE/M8s0aTWm4+zNfhfghhIdBuDaHsAUqQ5/bvyYu3DqrFSpKV9Z eXqVLtAHMlXpEMfksAU+Xok8xvZGfew+iBZkfU6SgriCl/kZnZvoZXAdalDPGiSpjN9x TcUA== Received: by 10.213.19.205 with SMTP id c13mr2299969ebb.172.1335982388044; Wed, 02 May 2012 11:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (know-mailgateway-4.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m55sm12842953eei.1.2012.05.02.11.13.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 May 2012 11:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FA17932.60901@ntlworld.com> Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 19:13:06 +0100 From: Ian A Dunn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org CC: Alan Adams Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New Ov P in Windoze 7 References: <4FA13126.5010701@ntlworld.com> <4FA16F80.5000008@ntlworld.com> <6f16aa8952.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <6f16aa8952.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkoL2xO+1B4jyPfOKI0OSExsrcMMJuPAIztkDVlDgxMzbxoEyU9mQoWHV3wAvZWZp8L9Yjv X-archive-position: 1236 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: i.dunn2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 02/05/2012 18:43, Alan Adams wrote: > snip >> As far a I am aware I did install as administrator . There is only one >> account at the moment called owner . You were quite right that file> >> open over the link I dragged from the CD into the download folder has >> given me the double button bar . > On Windows 7 the first account created is not the administrator. > Administratyor is a hidden and disabled account, and the only one with > full access to the machine. > > To make use of it, right-click on an executable file and choose "Run > as Administrator". You need to do this in particular when installing > software. > > Turning off User Account Control reduces, but does not eliminate, the > need for this. > > Some software simply will not run properly with UAC turned on - one > thing that doesn't work is trying to save settings files within > Program Files - they should go into Program Data. > Thanks for this Adam . Would this mean that I should uninstall and reinstall via your suggestion do you think ? The font installer gives me the same error at the moment . Ian To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling