From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 4 18:16:50 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S4Fsa-126knw-05-Dr1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:16:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S4Fsa-126knw-05-Dr1; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:09:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S4Fsa-126knw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:09:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S4FsZ-0006qP-9l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:09:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49E38E9F234; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:09:53 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330884593; bh=XEe5sde5DdoW893FgL7vRggi0Hmj0JAQEniJafCC A/4=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Gy1gGi0H05DrVF+MJ5xWaWwNC/7z+ hVGsCj5U4cJOtijh23LYZ+FmfhK7rVj9B0N5GMKw9MLm3HOz+WVFdDVB++24xTcC3Bl ec51aXP8Gk+p5EW7qu5a1+87qDwHEly5ZuBDLHNf6faTVK5QCggZd+01JCkX+Xw00jp cKRktmpw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4fSPx+9f0gJp; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2F0CE9E02F; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:09:39 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330884592; bh=XEe5sde5DdoW893FgL7vRggi0Hmj0JAQEniJafCC A/4=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=XkNCgRcr4pSRRkKW165Q17HQvlFZx 38LkgdjU0VKc+AVZb5CecN+30pDmPaEo9+dZsSbx2TEHPcO6Q8OBv6mr6h3WIs4gZoh hl3UdZBZ0hAgnAa6fzeYxVmjhtPUuZ1Vuy+VhrkkEcjjOJDWSMURbpMcy/LTg1aMrCl rQDoGKug= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 13:09:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2766E9E223 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:09:39 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bWTKSopHXBTC for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:09:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02552E9CFB1 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from dyn-62-56-48-100.dslaccess.co.uk ([62.56.48.100] helo=Iyonix.boase) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH boase) (Exim 4.69) id 1S4FsG-0003l5-op for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:09:36 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Epson GT-7000 film adapter To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Boase X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:09:34 GMT Message-ID: <1a1d4a6b52.boase@boase.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1070 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: b.boase@bcs.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling My Epson GT-7000 scanner is SCSI only, so I can use it only on the RiscPC (RISC OS 6.20) with DPScan 1.25, and I use it often. I have just (for the first time) tried using its optional film adapter add-on, but have so far not managed to get a scan through to DPScan successfully. On http://drsjmc.tripod.com/filmadapter/filmadapter_gd.htm (for example) it says "You need to select TPUfor Neg. Film or TPUfor Pos. Film in the Document Source settings in EPSON TWAIN depending on the type of film (negative or positive) you are scanning. The scanner software automatically controls the operation of the Film Adapter." Would this suggest that DP Twain for this model does not extend to supporting the adapter, or have I merely missed a vital trick? -- Bernard To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 5 12:22:55 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S4Kc3-0o0GPo-05-97Y.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:22:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S4Kc3-0o0GPo-05-97Y; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:13:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S4Kc3-0o0GPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:13:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S4Kc1-0001BA-ND for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:13:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6A0AE9FDBA; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:13:08 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330902788; bh=78JFjeh074Ku4iWJxLSrwjaFZNxtyBK+d6YkH45s iVU=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=LkTLzxFXt+HRLKWdfU/RaeTfKSbDQ7Yw3QJmvV0BPsksNU0lo8 kMGz7RpMDeGdncUrL8u+C5AMRm0vWG5Opsh0K7XVuAIeXP4ZD3CvA16bVJ7RpDNVP9f 5VDqTOdQTIBxiV3uoZThnEGCO2IYhoekB2DOEf0EmrKEdOHEFwDMrU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id flBraMRFkKsG; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:13:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59D3CE9FB3C; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:12:55 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330902788; bh=78JFjeh074Ku4iWJxLSrwjaFZNxtyBK+d6YkH45s iVU=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=LkTLzxFXt+HRLKWdfU/RaeTfKSbDQ7Yw3QJmvV0BPsksNU0lo8 kMGz7RpMDeGdncUrL8u+C5AMRm0vWG5Opsh0K7XVuAIeXP4ZD3CvA16bVJ7RpDNVP9f 5VDqTOdQTIBxiV3uoZThnEGCO2IYhoekB2DOEf0EmrKEdOHEFwDMrU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:12:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32226E9FC63 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:12:55 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SJaa8kRaGEtG for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:12:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A48DFE9FB3C for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 18:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1S4Kbj-0005Mn-ff for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:12:53 +0000 Message-ID: <15poYaHqb$UPFwys@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 23:12:42 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Epson GT-7000 film adapter References: <1a1d4a6b52.boase@boase.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1a1d4a6b52.boase@boase.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1071 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <1a1d4a6b52.boase@boase.demon.co.uk>, Bernard Boase writes >My Epson GT-7000 scanner is SCSI only, so I can use it only on the >RiscPC (RISC OS 6.20) with DPScan 1.25, and I use it often. I've got in a mess with the above, for some reason it came to my own mail box, I replied (rapidly) and then as the day has gone on I've seen a second reply from me bounce back - because I use a special address to post to the list from so replies from my usual email address bounce. Anyway these are my two replies. >software automatically controls the operation of the Film Adapter." Why are you not using my instructions? 8-) (TWAIN 2 manual). >Would this suggest that DP Twain for this model does not extend to >supporting the adapter, or have I merely missed a vital trick? I hope you've missed a trick. I'll go into this in more details later. To use the transp. unit you need to tick the relevant button on my TWAIN driver interface. What is happening? A common problem is not connecting the transp. unit, or a faulty connection. >successfully. In the middle of my TWAIN driver, there is a button, it shows 'reflective', 'transparency' or 'negative' you can click or menu over it to get a menu that allows you to change the mode. Obviously this is the key to transparency scanning. I have a feeling there may have been trouble with some versions of the driver and transparency adapters on 'later' scanners. It is a long long time ago. Anyway if the obvious points like above don't help I'll email you a new version of the driver. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 5 17:16:10 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S4Zxm-3hBknw-02-Aor.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 17:16:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S4Zxm-3hBknw-02-Aor; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:36:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S4Zxm-3hBknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:36:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S4Zxf-00048R-O3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:36:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42A3FEA0328; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:36:29 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330961789; bh=P8SpTscnHtE9F7O/TD9z8084sfsYuJ+m3LYN007/ Id0=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=i3dhK6Gl2KtsmOLVKWmrTY0skBf2ON3r5Ava343Kx0STYq0Dz7 P1NToTR8exKqkgAGU8p2V7S7gfIZy6WvudZRxZJGPga5aCsiLnPXeU2+yUiTCOt6pcs l08IKzG4XYNh6kWyLkpECIDdsQB5JkGq6q5flQE4npbwJUrWTaneUc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id prqbCetKe77C; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BF3CE9F1AA; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:36:15 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330961788; bh=P8SpTscnHtE9F7O/TD9z8084sfsYuJ+m3LYN007/ Id0=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=emCWFoilw0XjABkzcKPidQvBUVhiJXXrAfozfPJ8HvnvoqI5wb UCuh+E4e3sJG1JNXm3BWq3RA7KREg82kFP+bA5SrvrwnkW3c7PEQ26+0SR94OL2MM4E 0tXmnyOpkUu5aCgvyxNmArMtHfLRW4y0pqoFdxc2nyhlbpL6u7aUcs= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:36:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D3C5EA023A for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:36:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0eRAuiJeM0-U for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A533E9F1AA for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:36:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from dyn-62-56-48-100.dslaccess.co.uk ([62.56.48.100] helo=Iyonix.boase) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH boase) (Exim 4.69) id 1S4ZxM-0006B2-hl for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:36:12 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Epson GT-7000 film adapter To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Boase X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:36:10 GMT Message-ID: References: <1a1d4a6b52.boase@boase.demon.co.uk> <15poYaHqb$UPFwys@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <15poYaHqb$UPFwys@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1072 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: b.boase@bcs.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 4 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > I've got in a mess with the above, for some reason it came to my own > mail box, I replied (rapidly) and then as the day has gone on I've > seen a second reply from me bounce back - because I use a special > address to post to the list from so replies from my usual email > address bounce. > Anyway these are my two replies. Not to worry: I can see both copies of both replies! > Why are you not using my instructions? 8-) (TWAIN 2 manual). Probably because I don't think I have one. The scanner was second-hand and a gift, and it came with a floppy disc whose TWAIN 0.00 30-Nov-1993 seemed to support DPScan without any parameter setting. > I hope you've missed a trick. I'll go into this in more details later. > To use the transp. unit you need to tick the relevant button on my > TWAIN driver interface. > What is happening? > A common problem is not connecting the transp. unit, or a faulty connection. I think that's all OK. > In the middle of my TWAIN driver, there is a button, it shows > 'reflective', 'transparency' or 'negative' you can click or menu over > it to get a menu that allows you to change the mode. Obviously this is > the key to transparency scanning. > I have a feeling there may have been trouble with some versions of the > driver and transparency adapters on 'later' scanners. It is a long > long time ago. Anyway if the obvious points like above don't help I'll > email you a new version of the driver. I don't recognise this description of a UI, so it rather sounds as if I should be using a later version of your TWAIN driver, for which I'd be happy to contribute a licence fee. Many thanks. -- Bernard To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 5 17:16:11 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S4am5-3elVbs-02-A0Y.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 17:16:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S4am5-3elVbs-02-A0Y; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:28:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S4am5-3elVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:28:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S4aly-0004Tf-SX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:28:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC14CEA1097; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:28:28 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330964908; bh=JJb94CbWnZq/vlioKY+Rv9sSaL7eAzaVBsIRxquh W7M=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=g/Juvwz25cNNq7AJVENFSovFrprhQ J/7pP6PIo/qVuEdl+OrVcZBRHCvR8Y5qttp0ibtM05Y0NXybtP53KEDbtl+BE+kZVDG 7yDTaAsUFKP6GIFdQTbe7ISaHCdsi8kPFiojso8sgTW0sfTpbfVi96FXTd634lTc/rB dXFI516s= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UfDI1jZhMZS8; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B5BFEA0654; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:28:14 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330964907; bh=JJb94CbWnZq/vlioKY+Rv9sSaL7eAzaVBsIRxquh W7M=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=dlTRaM6/SRWCGtzFU0cFqyTsIAN0E ojy1Pd59y6Aq4lC9wI5K0pHEVdYcpN6nHchI4UYKIhqHQWTQcmQcfaiqbiTX6Q0S9wo /GBbPAZQvyIKRK3ew8772y1Ju4HPEgBWudc10Z938WmgEvwfQk881u4rYxiSppyiID0 UEc3mEbU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:28:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC007EA0864 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:28:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PAlAGVYKmxaj for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:28:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9212BEA0654 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from dyn-62-56-48-100.dslaccess.co.uk ([62.56.48.100] helo=Iyonix.boase) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH boase) (Exim 4.69) id 1S4alZ-000419-i3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:28:05 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Epson GT-7000 film adapter To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Boase X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:28:05 GMT Message-ID: <70a8c46b52.boase@boase.demon.co.uk> References: <1a1d4a6b52.boase@boase.demon.co.uk> <15poYaHqb$UPFwys@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-archive-position: 1073 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: b.boase@bcs.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 5 Mar, Bernard Boase wrote: > Probably because I don't think I have one. The scanner was second-hand > and a gift, and it came with a floppy disc whose TWAIN 0.00 > 30-Nov-1993 seemed to support DPScan without any parameter setting. [snip] > I don't recognise this description of a UI, so it rather sounds as if > I should be using a later version of your TWAIN driver, for which I'd > be happy to contribute a licence fee. I've looked carefully through my floppy disc collection and=20 rediscovered one neatly printed TWAIN 2 Epson GT =A9 David Pilling 1993,=20 but... ... neither of my FD drives can read the ancient bit patterns: 6.20=20 reports "Broken directory"; 5.18 reports "Disc not formatted"; and=20 DiscAid 1.12 says "The disc shape contains a number of=20 inconsistencies. Cannot be checked." So I imagine I just need a replacement? --=20 Bernard =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 5 17:30:51 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S4bbQ-0sn000-06-9BD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 17:30:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S4bbQ-0sn000-06-9BD; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:21:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S4bbQ-0sn000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:21:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S4bbJ-0007i1-BO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:21:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F291EA11B2; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:21:31 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330968091; bh=DjZ6F2A6H3zRZ6lRrwc4IBfy4if/8Pkk3kA45ndN nMI=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=TrrvU1iKauyUNOZ8UmqmsKFEYxXWjJtbjmO3HSQ655n+Rzy9kM Hl/BqrzBQ8L3tTiBvQiLhQEPfklUk4LuqPmLCtncxKLmxpMmYmRvJw7uFvUV+b8JIxR NCJcwyPY17sRWbNnPL0HVZs6yJ58oB6Wh6tbbYbHWWqQRA1IEZysbc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q8M1Rks-01f8; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54D89EA0E5C; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:21:17 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330968090; bh=DjZ6F2A6H3zRZ6lRrwc4IBfy4if/8Pkk3kA45ndN nMI=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=a6sYQxuV/JU9sgXQiYM1PqSPFxb94knLO+sd/lshXnAbF2Cpq9 R3kNFywAVEoEghPr08PFWBS4nsHp0r1PqGHJBpOGzODOKHswHh54tBRJYpiUu/JQyLk bKrAmqubddcTz6EPJBvEIOcrz+iacsD9AmmMj405t6MXUpC9nBfy9w= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:21:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F2E2EA0FFB for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:21:17 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rOAU4j70NdcJ for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F641EA0E5C for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 12:21:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1S4bb0-0003Ej-fJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:21:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 17:19:50 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Epson GT-7000 film adapter References: <1a1d4a6b52.boase@boase.demon.co.uk> <15poYaHqb$UPFwys@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S (<4gtE8dIZI+NccSS9tXF1TCU2IF>) X-archive-position: 1074 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Bernard Boase writes >and a gift, and it came with a floppy disc whose TWAIN 0.00 >30-Nov-1993 seemed to support DPScan without any parameter setting. Constant source of confusion, having a TWAIN manager (whose version number you give above) which remained unchanged for many years, and then scanner drivers which no one can ever find the version number for. >I don't recognise this description of a UI, so it rather sounds as if I think transp. Unit support went back to TWAIN 1.XX. Anyway, I will send you the latest version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 5 18:15:52 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S4cHE-24NVbs-01-H1v.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 18:15:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S4cHE-24NVbs-01-H1v; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:04:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S4cHE-24NVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:04:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S4cHB-0006mr-U2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:04:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F81BEA11CB; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 13:04:48 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330970688; bh=t3vTszimtbAIBtiZmMY5ElWZKaAsbUk4rqT8kfj4 kEg=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=l/p1bZpgmhp6khYRK4EaHRUG2AYvNGnTWhaLj7vGgYYKNWLZ4f t6nG1mhcHkjAFXmiVChI0SP3zJiT2UpseE92C4vuV0unnJp7hJnjD8JP6NdJ52eigWC gMe0UtqzD7rJ1W5jwb9SGLqMDQd6HrRX7bXWHonUS2gDgPaGHgnxLE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rEhFtjz19HgL; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 13:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3ADAEA11C3; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 13:04:34 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330970687; bh=t3vTszimtbAIBtiZmMY5ElWZKaAsbUk4rqT8kfj4 kEg=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=xAAKcWWFFqJB5Rfo+ckkExWjw8HFVxkpJDunGtpZ/tkCuu+Nk+ XlLnYqz80TnJ+/woO39PGPuMj/4L4sGvUz1k4k3sJWIXEZWfaAYlEHTj6v0BtWSgzdQ g/RQdrdyOtpRbypVDSuB7bH74RMnLs4W88od3lzvl8y7Ax5KDlF02w= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:04:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB8FFEA11A7 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 13:04:34 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 33uk+IzOppJ0 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 13:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C87BEA11C3 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 13:04:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from dyn-62-56-48-100.dslaccess.co.uk ([62.56.48.100] helo=Iyonix.boase) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH boase) (Exim 4.69) id 1S4cGt-00009E-ox for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:04:31 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Epson GT-7000 film adapter To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Boase X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:04:31 GMT Message-ID: References: <1a1d4a6b52.boase@boase.demon.co.uk> <15poYaHqb$UPFwys@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1075 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: b.boase@bcs.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 5 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > Anyway, I will send you the latest version. Aha. Modules TWAIN 0.02 (12-Apr-2010) and EpsonGT 0.04 24-Apr-2003) etc. have arrived in app !TWAIN, and look to provide more choices in the DPScan EPSON GT scanning UI. Will test drive it later today. Questions hopefully answered. Thanks, again. -- Bernard To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 7 12:23:51 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S54ao-1c0GPo-04-EHt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:23:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S54ao-1c0GPo-04-EHt; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:18:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S54ao-1c0GPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:18:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S54ae-0003uA-RE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:18:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2065FEA2545; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:18:44 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331079524; bh=tkMvLOlbeMLoZdnysG9c93/aORJPg8DI7TIK0BxB /8w=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=jk8wdUD7dwuGzZVF4FmFSLoFpeuuh bnDSV2+YYN7zbPHjHt3gcx9LxuqbMmbmI+jt/HSidvr16LrXyyGIQX4BM0ccq29/OXo eJPqICDLhearg0WbMMZGJK9rD9YSyqBxW+J9FdCe58/Nx9AGLdJ95LudEob2OevC6zo Jjo+DxYA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WHvwHjfh9CSi; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E067EA2537; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:18:30 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331079523; bh=tkMvLOlbeMLoZdnysG9c93/aORJPg8DI7TIK0BxB /8w=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=xHOeI4XDy70O5fubxixe9w+wvx6vY ER8ru5YN5NZePLeRecERTfUYA+o38xsj1WIEtJvDWIEHHMYrwFeR3nqkCO18DANZlR7 /PomJ96H44mXo8Crfa/0b45jeE4FnzwfZ3VZ8mGzrrSJgSMtqqyrL4vL4ZnAlH5/BdM i31AZKk4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Mar 2012 19:18:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 722D6EA253C for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:18:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aWxwL+GxCfOp for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-msapost-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-msapost-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.164]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3761EA2537 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:18:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from 93-96-233-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk ([93.96.233.85] helo=freds-mac.local) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtpsa (AUTH ypical) (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) id 1S54a9-0007Fb-hR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:18:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 00:18:11 +0000 From: Frederick Bambrough To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] OvnPro UniversalKey BeagleBoard & NumLock Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: @ypical ink User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.69.1.3784 (Qt/4.7.4) (Mac-OS/10.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1076 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fred@ypical.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Transferring my copy of Ovation Pro to my BB -xM, I found that opening a document would cause the keyboard number lock to assert and re-assert repeatedly when cancelled. The same thing happens when the BB -xM boots, which I resolved by adding FX 202 4 251 & FX 118 to !Boot.Utils.BootRun. It's an issue that is known to happen with some keyboards with the Beagleboard. I can't recall how but I came to the conclusion that with OvnPro the problem was related to the UniversalKey module. REMming out the line that loads it in !OvnPro.!Run resolves the problem to the extent that the NumLk still comes on when a document is loaded but if then turned off, stays off. Whilst this allows me to use OvnPro, I'm wondering if there's a better solution. I'm using OvnPro 2.77s and RISC OS 5.19. -- Fred To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 7 12:23:56 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S552d-1ezVbs-05-Dq4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:23:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S552d-1ezVbs-05-Dq4; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:47:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S552d-1ezVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:47:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S552Y-0004ay-CV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:47:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 037D6EA244F; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:47:37 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331081257; bh=drIZbuOeV7jMp0QylIIwmoXurhemt53OfBt+CtJA +QE=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=jFoI5CCqsnZuFILMdDxjoX8mAmKGY/Oqizw1cfZctLq+0QU8Ud /u+av5a1aEuR72qXFXUSSGNKI1XlKUTayKDbyd3eN+aP6kHg+8svfyOg/CvnJLpnV3d EYYzklgly0J12Ny78xS49u6HSaRWgIp0Q9zGLM7rxaUaUNHs8YLo14= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id biFBIUsV4VoP; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:47:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6661FEA23F8; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:47:23 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331081256; bh=drIZbuOeV7jMp0QylIIwmoXurhemt53OfBt+CtJA +QE=; h=From:To:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=nkWa45E5IBaenWxtLhDnD85HTAvZNYTXdGiAZQRzY596Ntb2LD /oBBCqT1Y45AsZlQxCh7jaJA64elZ6SjriU+GiPLz39JnDHv/Q45jruTbhxAqgW+EtV dsbXoNt+kI6TwL1IRLOj8+YFUhBGaO1g2J/80P5Y16Kb0pnoGKxqfU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 06 Mar 2012 19:47:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 423DBEA241A for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:47:23 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sIyM-hPXpDPe for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43257EA23F8 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pr-webmail-2.demon.net ([194.159.244.50]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1S552F-0000om-kS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:47:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=web.mail.demon.net) by pr-webmail-2.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1S552F-00096a-5z for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:47:19 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by web.mail.demon.net with http; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:47:19 +0000 From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro UniversalKey BeagleBoard & NumLock Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:47:19 +0000 User-Agent: Demon-WebMail/2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-archive-position: 1077 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, Long time. What follows is a quote from a posting this list in 1998. I guess it will help. Lets you set up OP so it does not mess with Num Lock (or Scroll lock). Anyway let us know how you go on. >Num Lock > >void keyboardmode(int mode); >#define KEYNUMLOCKKEY 0x1 - Num lock >#define KEYBREAKKEY 0x2 - Break generates codes >#define KEYAUTORATE 0x4 - !Auto repeat >#define KEYACTIONKEY 0x8 - Action key != Control key >#define KEYSCROLLLOCKKEY 0x10 - Scroll lock >Default - (KEYNUMLOCKKEY|KEYSCROLLLOCKKEY) So you stick a keyboardmode(0x10); In your !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Custom file, and it stops messing about with Numlock. David Pilling To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 7 16:23:53 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S5Ja1-45vknw-06-GLi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:23:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S5Ja1-45vknw-06-GLi; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 16:19:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S5Ja1-45vknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 16:19:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S5JZx-0002nJ-Ps for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 16:19:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECBB2EA2C4A; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:19:03 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331137144; bh=lPqHha9ZXYCUUCXIXknNBjCP1QWz4AKDD84Ov7fy 2Rw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=J9WkHkOoji2kodfpUHFWq08ZbV2het/nlzrY0jzo+QQKRpcVr9 NtzVoaHkSgqrcfrvSyVcjMxSHiWa90h7xBkPOd3A1pY3rXYS1RsrxgHmdpA7cab1Zhv nb9RRoiCY2Ps82yslJVtCMKbSSb+TyLAlMcIaTWKUJjvTDnRjybz9E= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z0CZYjnU5HW6; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1B74EA2B72; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:18:50 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331137143; bh=lPqHha9ZXYCUUCXIXknNBjCP1QWz4AKDD84Ov7fy 2Rw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=dOvAxzR4z6q/NObFrpQY0e1Py85NIqeGKxDWx3nHEu8c4uRnrp Phxv4HrNXN9R3l6CIpIxvk0zSpz79YAtLYkUlGaf1Bxhi5jjhCBsPuausRSr+p0vFny ggRZIj1g27Qd1DI14hRfWAleD4zNEk55PHc3/05Rwx9nE9evGcX00Q= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:18:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E1F8EA2C4A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:18:50 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SBFv4PRm2B8T for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-msapost-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-msapost-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.166]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C52FBEA2B72 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 93-96-233-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk ([93.96.233.85] helo=freds-mac.local) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtpsa (AUTH ypical) (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) id 1S5JZb-0004Da-o0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 16:18:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:18:25 +0000 From: Frederick Bambrough To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro UniversalKey BeagleBoard & NumLock Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: @ypical ink User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.69.1.3784 (Qt/4.7.4) (Mac-OS/10.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1078 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fred@ypical.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message flist@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > Hi, > > Long time. Hi David Nice to be remembered. I moved over to using a Mac but still kept my RPC in working order, though barely used. The Beagleboard has renewed interest but my knowledge, such as it was, is rusty. > What follows is a quote from a posting this list in 1998. I guess it will > help. Lets you set up OP so it does not mess with Num Lock (or Scroll > lock). Anyway let us know how you go on. > > > > >Num Lock > > > >void keyboardmode(int mode); > > >#define KEYNUMLOCKKEY 0x1 - Num lock > >#define KEYBREAKKEY 0x2 - Break generates codes > >#define KEYAUTORATE 0x4 - !Auto repeat > >#define KEYACTIONKEY 0x8 - Action key != Control key > >#define KEYSCROLLLOCKKEY 0x10 - Scroll lock > > >Default - (KEYNUMLOCKKEY|KEYSCROLLLOCKKEY) > > > > So you stick a > > keyboardmode(0x10); > > In your !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Custom file, and it stops messing about with Numlock. I put that just before the last closing bracket and restored the !Run file to its default. Hope that's correct. It seems to work. 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[81.20.178.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fw5sm36969172wib.0.2012.03.07.08.42.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 07 Mar 2012 08:42:24 -0800 (PST) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Michael Talibard Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro UniversalKey BeagleBoard & NumLock Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:42:23 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnTYPgpfxAKEgrKTv3lPMxaFEoHO8qwqzacfRrYq86c7/m7zudsl5VdFAi/h2XOUYy85JCU X-archive-position: 1079 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 7 Mar 2012, at 16:18, Frederick Bambrough wrote: > I moved over to using a Mac but still kept my RPC in > working order, though barely used. Frederick - have you thought of running Sunfish on the RPC to network to = your Mac? Slightly fiddly to set up, but then works like a dream. I run = both Iyonix and Mac all the time, and swap files between them like = billy-oh! Regards - Michael Talibard To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 7 17:23:56 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S5KYC-4To000-01-FNX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:23:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S5KYC-4To000-01-FNX; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:21:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S5KYC-4To000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:21:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S5KYB-0006TG-Ez for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:21:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3062EA25C8; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:21:17 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331140877; bh=Onvz2BQqB1eaBNAU5kPmIdlUsRXFnNfSKMnb/xRi /u0=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=A2FI+PqNR7who0PaDwhlXZ84YYZmdUSIbn+so7pvTruO2Ob+tY z18P9zE1oKBCLMJAXt/01BRNZY+RpLl4DtuoDLeseT/Y96seWNDJKMwt1x8BCyh3eDC PVifDMhtZSdm+5Da5kIA0IK8uDBYPOyrv0cKvESho2Um4BD1ArJ9zE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Auo023Ao4K+M; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A8C6EA25BE; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:21:04 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331140877; bh=Onvz2BQqB1eaBNAU5kPmIdlUsRXFnNfSKMnb/xRi /u0=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=A2FI+PqNR7who0PaDwhlXZ84YYZmdUSIbn+so7pvTruO2Ob+tY z18P9zE1oKBCLMJAXt/01BRNZY+RpLl4DtuoDLeseT/Y96seWNDJKMwt1x8BCyh3eDC PVifDMhtZSdm+5Da5kIA0IK8uDBYPOyrv0cKvESho2Um4BD1ArJ9zE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:21:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D782EA25C3 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:21:04 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j3WpLF0lFLCj for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-msapost-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-msapost-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.165]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B5E9EA25BE for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:21:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from 93-96-233-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk ([93.96.233.85] helo=freds-mac.local) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtpsa (AUTH ypical) (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) id 1S5KXs-0001YK-kM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 17:21:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:20:25 +0000 From: Frederick Bambrough To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro UniversalKey BeagleBoard & NumLock Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: @ypical ink User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.69.1.3784 (Qt/4.7.4) (Mac-OS/10.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1080 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fred@ypical.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message Michael Talibard wrote: > > On 7 Mar 2012, at 16:18, Frederick Bambrough wrote: > > > I moved over to using a Mac but still kept my RPC in > > working order, though barely used. > > Frederick - have you thought of running Sunfish on the RPC to network to your Mac? Slightly fiddly to set up, but then works like a dream. I run both Iyonix and Mac all the time, and swap files between them like billy-oh! I've dloaded it to have a look on the BB -xm when I get the right tuit though up to now I've just used FTPc and the Mac set to share. -- Fred To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 9 14:13:38 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S60Sm-4LmVbs-01-G5X.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:13:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S60Sm-4LmVbs-01-G5X; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:06:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S60Sm-4LmVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:06:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S60Sl-0001I9-IK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:06:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02A5AEA480D; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:06:30 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331301990; bh=N05FwL1hzo3FeV+yWm9QhGmbdNzPDXrtvr+ThS08 Zco=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=QjC2h/ypXh1lxo1Vx1+NuirPQYo9l xtIlg2/v973AnRyr6Umq5YrgOjCSWmKrmgEQrZfdEyCkofy+B3hHDIYuMHFnyynfxZ0 4kj198pt86o/kyVh0AVkMcndVKBgY/VDZeaqdiTKGDE+RO3JDMGqVmfMMMdgSXhl2TD O3pQ5PlY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oELH1Zqm0JLV; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A56FCEA4800; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:06:16 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331301989; bh=N05FwL1hzo3FeV+yWm9QhGmbdNzPDXrtvr+ThS08 Zco=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=YGw9MeNTyz/5GBKvn9qN8xhNoLtjy Ug7EC2MJFUMdt9oCd3o1h8F/4uZ3NdZjr1Et4SQjKcDp9D2/EnpeqOp3jtd5NS0MG9r k0QtwyBABisVhwjnK9q8TGlE6LeKpQ0gd8KeNbu0prgIIiS52AmJPsKQlZzyplOw0OO Z8UmKAGw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:06:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 788E6EA4802 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:06:16 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NJggcpSETCor for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B325AEA4800 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.136.80]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q29E60aD003347 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:06:01 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:06:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro and paper Message-ID: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1081 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Just setup a new HP Laser printer to replace an old now broken one. Works a treat. While it's not strictly true, please, humour me and assume I know nothing. ;-) All computers here, including Virtual representations, are networked to the one HP LaserJet. An Ovation Pro document that prints exactly where I want it on the paper out of RISC OS... Now take that same document to Win OvPro and it prints through the printer in a noticeably different place. FWIW. Print Choices in both OVPro versions are the same. As I understand from something in the printer documentation, the OvPro document settings are supposed to over-rule any default paper setting in the Printer configs, but that's obviously is not the case. Some thoughts, advice, suggestions please, would be helpful as I'm a bit fed up wasting trees trying to get this right. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 9 14:28:38 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S60eE-2puknw-02-Fu5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:28:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S60eE-2puknw-02-Fu5; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:18:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S60eE-2puknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:18:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S60e9-0006FQ-P1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:18:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A76BEA481D; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:18:15 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331302695; bh=1AqRZRrzRzz83Hsl+RzfMmjdmE1tmwNaI9KRtwOT T9U=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=Dmc/lyn3ASi/9zHwzEiv0ij4O95HHI8MxdygIglk rOUIWPAELiXDOF/HudK2BXvKV2ALX70MYGc6qQ1FNgAxZmwIYWNa7uEawGmm1T6Xdcv A4XqHo5yoW5eyQegk3IKIfnsEwd0NDjDLKrTJjESJJCCSWAMpBpEeUbDizxGdNHs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P2nXjAukREwq; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2759EA47F1; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:18:01 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331302694; bh=1AqRZRrzRzz83Hsl+RzfMmjdmE1tmwNaI9KRtwOT T9U=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=P9XNj8wcZAkmuWU/q6CSLetBtvRhugpzc+OL3Knt 37vo35Om5P1tW3qU0DXKBfBV2OiS3s/26PJpGvOPdgxzkYU/sEBG7glo6yNEcCpY/kP 7z4RaA2xadaexst/7Nn1JS3un69m+PtQUX6A6nxYkHx7PYoMfmU2bt7/WBrGyMUg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Mar 2012 09:18:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BAC57EA47F3 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:18:01 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id txe0WVr3F6cO for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-msapost-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-msapost-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.181]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB18EEA47F1 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=[10.0.0.5]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtpsa (AUTH newble.demon.co.uk) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) id 1S60dq-0001ZJ-bG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:17:58 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and paper From: Peter Newble In-Reply-To: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:17:57 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1F2C495B-17B5-44AA-837C-5BE1E39C05F1@newble.com> References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-archive-position: 1082 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 9 Mar 2012, at 1406, Dave Symes wrote: > Just setup a new HP Laser printer to replace an old now broken one. >=20 > . . . All computers here, including Virtual representations, are = networked to > the one HP LaserJet. >=20 > An Ovation Pro document that prints exactly where I want it on the = paper > out of RISC OS...=20 > Now take that same document to Win OvPro and it prints through the = printer > in a noticeably different place. >=20 > . . . As I understand from something in the printer documentation, the = OvPro > document settings are supposed to over-rule any default paper setting = in > the Printer configs, but that's obviously is not the case. For what it=92s worth, my experience of using Postscript printers (HP, = Lexmark, Minolta, Xerox) is that printing from RISC OS uses the = printer=92s default settings, as set on the front panel or via the HTML = interface, except where they are specifically overruled by the RISC OS = driver (page size, principally; also in my case duplexing). Printing = from Max OS X or Windows offers a lot more options in the print dialogue = (colour, paper feed, etc.) which all overrule the printer=92s defaults = each time you print. However, I=92m surprise that the position on the page differs. That=92s = not a problem I=92ve ever had. So perhaps check the HTML interface to see what the default is, as used = by RISC OS, then examine the Windows print dialogue in detail (including = the =91Advanced=92 section) to see what might be overruling it. -- P. C. Newble 10 Heath Close, Polstead Heath, Colchester CO6 5BE, U.K. Tel. +44 (0)1787 210 107 =95 Mobile +44 (0)7944 816 266 http://www.newble.com/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 9 15:28:39 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S61ir-0vkVbs-04-EpS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:28:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S61ir-0vkVbs-04-EpS; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:27:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S61ir-0vkVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:27:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S61iq-0003uC-5T for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:27:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D85BEA47C6; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:27:11 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331306831; bh=ePhDUvZABV13+hWGTpyFPL1oF0GUOHf8R/5B9+As tPs=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=l5pUiaSTbGVBvPzQxeHNHbzmNIwNWQlPpX91AIfztcFwKnj/tw DJLoQ0KtGQRSUHANA6vtpdU6DIhJDpFklt7S0cyoaZ39UeDNuo9jEEx/+L6KuggZFnv EEw/2ZddCqXUg5n5JqvjabWMbpBWpMi4GCNtKLbBkDhNBm/Uw97UVQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BtN05EXjNgi3; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:27:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06DF9EA3EBA; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:26:57 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331306830; bh=ePhDUvZABV13+hWGTpyFPL1oF0GUOHf8R/5B9+As tPs=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=jNd7qrJkwzeZL+FPdrPpsfLANgqe515CgMKp/ur5iUmZ9umoaF uivM1UXhin+RbqDE4bZPo2FgpRzAtL9Wh/kZ/4FHfqjx0ZVnUOOCYgLhmup9QhHUe2P U4PwZRiLOMFQ8OqsXBLjQN+3KViKjpZPuNl85gbcjtQ1GFSGZUS3vU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Mar 2012 10:26:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C87E2EA3EE3 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:26:57 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mQkta8Fxwjbn for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DA0FEA460C for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1S61iZ-0001MD-WW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:26:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:26:40 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and paper References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1083 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Some thoughts, advice, suggestions please, would be helpful as I'm a bit >fed up wasting trees trying to get this right. I don't know the answer... Are you using PostScript printer drivers? If so you have a choice on Windows between OP's 'direct postscript' and the Windows PostScript drivers. Are you using a print setting in OP like "fit" or "centre"? because they will make the print position depend on the paper size the printer tells OP. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 9 19:11:23 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S659Q-3BFVbs-06-BOt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 19:11:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S659Q-3BFVbs-06-BOt; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 19:06:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S659Q-3BFVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 19:06:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S659O-0001mQ-Vi for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 19:06:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 920E3EA4CD7; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:06:49 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331320009; bh=Kr/HmoPdD061FS6k+ZCWyQ3MfR5JNrDnyZHfpuCu GzE=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=n1QpCh 10Tnk/65cKM5qZh9seU9H/1Pa+o14SCO9qa5I2CSzl4Z5WClXxu3F/NK8Qx0IGNkNpJ t9A+pgCMZfrNURLxNL1EQ2oEws0NB18i5vM6JvBEh3Uq9PiqsXdWo0d9btzS2YL7Q+r DqpDhz6NlLzKpV/ONxWK1mdNPvCP6Lk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id azMpYJEecSwI; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35313EA2ED5; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:06:36 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331320008; bh=Kr/HmoPdD061FS6k+ZCWyQ3MfR5JNrDnyZHfpuCu GzE=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=i9gGh6 loqPl7XGJhlM1aAXBI4+m23dyioh6Iaok9lTwCpE9nSOYhQcYf3AO4hP4aayTbGVP0M wCDBt3nVLdeAkX5CUFlo/Fh6zFoeVpW5kQn668cHmX7YNO49DBeZO0r33eGk6rOtVzT vrKcDw6cc/OhfVfg6YcJD8bw7e+0GUQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Mar 2012 14:06:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 045F2EA491B for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:06:36 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zXj7LSqwCdsU for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 520FBEA2ED5 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.32.58]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q29J6UU8016114 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 19:06:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 19:04:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and paper Message-ID: <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1084 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >Some thoughts, advice, suggestions please, would be helpful as I'm a bit > >fed up wasting trees trying to get this right. > I don't know the answer... Are you using PostScript printer drivers? If > so you have a choice on Windows between OP's 'direct postscript' and the > Windows PostScript drivers. I have no idea what sort of printer driver is being used on Windows, it was just installed off the HP 2055 series CD. Tested that and it doesn't make any difference if OvPro's Direct postscript is On or Off. My Default state for OvPro is its 'Direct PS' is on. > Are you using a print setting in OP like "fit" or "centre"? because they > will make the print position depend on the paper size the printer tells > OP. As far as I can tell no. Thanks for your thoughts Mr P. Dave To be honest, despite almost 30 years of playing with computers and printers, I still find the actuality of getting things to appear on the printed paper where you want them, to be an arcane art... Something to be cursed whenever a new printer is needed. In this case though, it's another HP laser, and on RISC OS the positional differences are 1.0 to 1.5mm in the worst case, move that file to the Win OvPro and we are talking 4-5 mm difference. I've just had an interesting thought. Does anyone have a OvPro document template that on their system will print out of RO-OvPro and Win-OvPro exactly the same? If so, could you send me a copy to try here on this lot Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 9 21:25:10 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S66qy-1IDknw-07-9hL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 21:25:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S66qy-1IDknw-07-9hL; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 20:55:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S66qy-1IDknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 20:55:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S66qx-0003mV-Ew for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 20:55:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66C02EA4F43; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:55:54 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331326554; bh=39HDbTz5Lz2aXKymzeko/6gtpxP1iFujZG16RONQ S1c=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=feR9M9USE3f1beIBuCIGg3+QOZU8Va3w/JRRVVrD2fA32o1e1N GM4GTuY2y/lds8TkYIr5ehcEk2HuZ/d1Yq1JHJ/7P2dADHIOjF0wosHiyvrqIOjnqWJ mWKK3HuoUPcuh2cTjXpcEmrQf8Bx+aH1TRtAblk1Cgfgl5h1WDUxCM= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qPz0kUFOZGTX; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C78F2EA2D5E; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:55:40 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331326553; bh=39HDbTz5Lz2aXKymzeko/6gtpxP1iFujZG16RONQ S1c=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=tz2rkJtyMxWuaiaSLbZkYn2nBVsvRBenUUySLe+Nrs1WVy+y1Q vidyqpmXuDc+URxehWsV6pX+I0jID+QJLTvpuUID+uZbbo52BYCdbnBk1F487pQoQ8j q7P3kIkwBVruZlY9WA3pTxkQy8BQzM6H2/RgMGmo0Of2qaqDyq3jSk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Mar 2012 15:55:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 991E4EA3CC0 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:55:40 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TjXdid+nogEv for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19C6DEA296D for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1S66qg-0000Y8-ic for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 20:55:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 20:55:15 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and paper References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1085 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >I have no idea what sort of printer driver is being used on Windows, it >was just installed off the HP 2055 series CD. Seemingly that printer does PostScript so one option is to drive it using a PostScript driver. >> Are you using a print setting in OP like "fit" or "centre"? because they >> will make the print position depend on the paper size the printer tells >As far as I can tell no. To check expand the print dialogue - tick "print setup" If you don't have those options set you can change the print position - or to put it another way if they are ticked you can read off the print position. . I'm probably drifting into false memory territory, seem to recall RISC OS lets you twiddle the print position deep in the insides of the printer driver files. Anyway I think I'd be happier knowing both Windows and RISC OS were using the printer in the same mode. Even out of PostScript, the printer does PCL 5 and PCL 6. Look at it this way, what are the chances of PostScript and PCL (on Windows) landing in the same place on the paper, one of them must be the closest to RISC OS. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 9 22:25:14 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S68AR-2rtGPo-04-GuO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 22:25:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S68AR-2rtGPo-04-GuO; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 22:20:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S68AR-2rtGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 22:20:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S68AL-0005xZ-2n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 22:20:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74875EA4FEE; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:19:59 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331331599; bh=C8u1aNfV1FY/2P83rhOrS2tsUFq6qbdoVf7L+yN1 ozA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=MBgrAn HkFzTK4Gb5DAX95DC20bh5xqARutljBFuCriZC+tvjwJtpzOb6/sfJoQ/ld7e3RU6TL ZF5yxsFwG3SK5dH1iBdjaa1m9IVbxZ3wde+88yjHhOppC6nflaOq9KoK1PYzDmtgXCm QJX7CP7Y62g/j6muOy3sVCB91HlMSpg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2D9+sKN2WwRA; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7768EA44B4; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:19:45 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331331598; bh=C8u1aNfV1FY/2P83rhOrS2tsUFq6qbdoVf7L+yN1 ozA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=p6tb8q UM1+Lw+9uJpPt3Qre5zerad9kFPs5HC294OdQgVErUMEB8qH3k1NTwS8voOAJEQ0+2o 91gHACBj8sZn8oYi0HqDRKto/NJ2dd+izGkR2+MxDCZgDzvEiIALeB+pAriuY0+0m1w W4BCLsp8FJ395c7vbGRpSzCHWk0JYCU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Mar 2012 17:19:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5501EA4A3A for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:19:45 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7OjfJaH1DLqR for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D282EA44B4 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:19:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.32.58]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q29MJckd021473 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 22:19:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 22:12:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and paper Message-ID: <526df38e94dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1086 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >I have no idea what sort of printer driver is being used on Windows, it > >was just installed off the HP 2055 series CD. > Seemingly that printer does PostScript so one option is to drive it > using a PostScript driver. > >> Are you using a print setting in OP like "fit" or "centre"? because > >> they will make the print position depend on the paper size the > >> printer tells > >As far as I can tell no. > To check expand the print dialogue - tick "print setup" > If you don't have those options set you can change the print position - > or to put it another way if they are ticked you can read off the print > position. The only thing ticked is "Centre" The greyed out X and Y measurement are the same in both RO and Win (miniscule measurement). Centre ticked in both versions. After my last posting, I decided to go at this kinda backwards. I took note of the default page size in the Windows print dialogue, and using that created a new paper size in RO Printers. I printed out OvPro for Win DocumentSample. The identical document is also contained in the RO OvPro Statnry, so using the new printer size paper I printed the same document from RO. Still didn't match, but by tweaking the RO paper width and height, sacrificing a few tree branches, I was able to get it so the document printed from either RO Ov or Win Ov... to print the same... Well, to within a gnats thingy. Tomorrow when I'm refreshed, re-check. > I'm probably drifting into false memory territory, seem to recall RISC > OS lets you twiddle the print position deep in the insides of the > printer driver files. > Anyway I think I'd be happier knowing both Windows and RISC OS were > using the printer in the same mode. Even out of PostScript, the printer > does PCL 5 and PCL 6. > Look at it this way, what are the chances of PostScript and PCL (on > Windows) landing in the same place on the paper, one of them must be the > closest to RISC OS. Mmnnn! I'll think about that tomorrow. Thanks for the advice. 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([80.229.143.2]) by avasout01 with smtp id jabJ1i00603K0D401abKe0; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 22:35:20 +0000 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ZZifx7pA c=1 sm=1 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:17 a=QGUEKgwgM5kA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=wPsijeqNrIECJ7AmkiIA:9 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=iD9JRl6ZAZBbFtBQ:21 a=V5hR2T1JbrO8CBbi:21 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:117 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 22:34:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and paper Message-ID: <526df593d4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <526df38e94dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> <526df38e94dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1087 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <526df38e94dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > I took note of the default page size in the Windows print dialogue, > and using that created a new paper size in RO Printers. Surely if the default paper sizes are different, that is bound to produce different positioning, especially if the active part of the document is centered. Assuming you are using A4 paper to actually print on, why are the default page sizes not both A4? -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 10 18:23:29 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S69Fc-0Bsknw-08-FpD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 18:23:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S69Fc-0Bsknw-08-FpD; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 23:29:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S69Fc-0Bsknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 23:29:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S69FV-0002Wy-IA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 23:29:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62AE8EA50C4; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 18:29:21 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331335761; bh=UjyvmwqvU8qGBNL5d71sVgRwaqFrjbJ4HQO9ahu7 tWY=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=e5YrDHBYXoWMeNxZzzkHNokROsYnlfXIw5eM+P98Z/MXff7X0F EBqzUHPC4YxN8XA82Rh/+V4KL25BP3iZpzKsoPZ1vtR00/p9WzgklLKm8vTJbHRXObj yE7f8ceae0fcwa8DdVCH+ba72hZl539Z7k/btVfAXd+8taM24Q97zs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AC2cxkmesEzy; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 18:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D90A4EA50BA; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 18:29:07 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331335760; bh=UjyvmwqvU8qGBNL5d71sVgRwaqFrjbJ4HQO9ahu7 tWY=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=pQZ08jwoWfwLomtZS6oTo6RbZJAkix467+8c4SOX0HvF2/sG4i t1GOHQInkJw0/A7ja3rtyJc0vNlFyCk+7BLbEke1H2mab6tz51cGLwpWhPNjXZHWkP1 aCOQSPBL7y7N8a/fwnmbiVw7FV5kT6fncxciF0z+3ksq/Y7acNawW8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Mar 2012 18:29:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A23E6EA4E71 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 18:29:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aWxJPqs+SmbQ for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 18:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A969FEA50B2 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2012 18:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1S69Ei-0006xw-jn for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2012 23:28:36 +0000 Message-ID: <2sc4NnK2HpWPFwCd@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 23:27:50 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and paper References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> <526df38e94dave@triffid.co.uk> <526df593d4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <526df593d4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1088 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <526df593d4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes >In article <526df38e94dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: >> I took note of the default page size in the Windows print dialogue, >> and using that created a new paper size in RO Printers. > >Surely if the default paper sizes are different, that is bound to >produce different positioning, especially if the active part of the >document is centered. Assuming you are using A4 paper to actually >print on, why are the default page sizes not both A4? Depends if 'size' is just width/height or if it includes an x, y position. Another issue is scale, if you hold two copies up to the light do the characters all match up. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 10 18:24:14 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S6G3u-0l3GPo-08-90v.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 18:24:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S6G3u-0l3GPo-08-90v; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 06:45:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S6G3u-0l3GPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 06:45:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S6G3r-0002xN-EY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 06:45:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9420EA50FD; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:45:48 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331361948; bh=EnuuWN+i/zqwzPU4PffzoDERHp+bk9fm+Cmm+M49 P1w=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=nd4iGo v7pNVw8fNrFj3VjRFyb9upCJHmk+5DrKRmTRJJJY5TC/gqdTRKKzu0UUDkiQ7V9HayM utt0CdROqPbGImn5P7Hm4HPuP93mxMWtSre1QMUJAJ17r9Hrd9C18mOrO69zjQvB3SM MGb79fNz4CX/kZ6gOCpVRZGLjvF0PvM= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bme110af0g8M; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:45:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59D38EA3BAC; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:45:35 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331361947; bh=EnuuWN+i/zqwzPU4PffzoDERHp+bk9fm+Cmm+M49 P1w=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=ChBEBt qwNzu2ZwW5NCH6r0IXkikNfb9SPuixOD1iht3cREsGxiuHQyPKyMj5+RQG511f735cS uVdvT2m6xqY1q5SaoAz01B42Uqnta0iK0cdXwklATYVQIGuZq28VNdM0yBU3/SLnuzP NVNy+bhRNN1AO30zpBQHXCl8KY5522E= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:45:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 235BDEA4FF9 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:45:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pTSAyNI-rIjp for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C622FEA3D55 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.59.134]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2A6jN53008058 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 06:45:26 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 06:44:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and paper Message-ID: <526e226997dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2sc4NnK2HpWPFwCd@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> <526df38e94dave@triffid.co.uk> <526df593d4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <2sc4NnK2HpWPFwCd@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <2sc4NnK2HpWPFwCd@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <526df593d4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson > writes > >In article <526df38e94dave@triffid.co.uk>, > > Dave Symes wrote: > >> I took note of the default page size in the Windows print dialogue, > >> and using that created a new paper size in RO Printers. > > > >Surely if the default paper sizes are different, that is bound to > >produce different positioning, especially if the active part of the > >document is centered. Assuming you are using A4 paper to actually > >print on, why are the default page sizes not both A4? > Depends if 'size' is just width/height or if it includes an x, y > position. > Another issue is scale, if you hold two copies up to the light do the > characters all match up. Mmnnn! despite my knowing nothing pose... That's one of my first tests. On my testing documents I apply a thin (0.25) border to the page master frame so I can check the position of them as well as a bit of larger text, also usually a header and footer where applicable. I'm quite happy if I can get the register to within half a mm, as I've noted over the years, the way consumer printers shovel paper through is 'kinda' innacurate anyway. As you'll see from my reply to Chris, the problem now appears sorted. All of my OvPro template documents including a Pamphlet, now print out of either RO-OV or Win-OV to within a gnats wotsin in register. Thank Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 10 18:24:15 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S6G3z-0lCGPo-08-90q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 18:24:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S6G3z-0lCGPo-08-90q; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 06:45:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S6G3z-0lCGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 06:45:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S6G3u-0004LG-Bq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 06:45:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 892B2EA5284; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:45:49 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331361949; bh=IFKMMXz4xMOMpLyCTMakMSSWjJXRl/EvaCvXHFEG iEw=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=UztGTU w57RcFWclg+e1WOMfOv5nNsHPFju7trxfPobQgaflydjxostzIaEF1eEGIiPw+p0jxC Pc8tOrPfzGaMW78p1hsBbcqs4AzWAodPLf+NWVlxpN2dWgkW3pmJ3w1pmlcIxDYt2Wi Adwdl+uAztmriHys0p91RhpCadGnC1g= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5FzovGaB6yRW; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E878EA3D55; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:45:35 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331361948; bh=IFKMMXz4xMOMpLyCTMakMSSWjJXRl/EvaCvXHFEG iEw=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=TpteKO sWkucz/GS9DlQR89+BqAXwCYP/2fbcfrDyA6UtCMbsq4q72RjVnCYNA14Nduu/HKv8E Z05VksNbkprN4QUyx9DZqiPsEhIomQ334jooQaXWBmA4Ug+GI0R1M0edHxSejPZ+c3c 2/OV9nllZBiR9NCfg0tKbjqxBv8tzwk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:45:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AC42EA4FD4 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:45:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a4-f-lJPBUom for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51367EA3BAC for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:45:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.59.134]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2A6jN51008058 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 06:45:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 06:35:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and paper Message-ID: <526e219184dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <526df593d4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> <526df38e94dave@triffid.co.uk> <526df593d4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1089 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <526df593d4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <526df38e94dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > I took note of the default page size in the Windows print dialogue, > > and using that created a new paper size in RO Printers. > Surely if the default paper sizes are different, that is bound to > produce different positioning, especially if the active part of the > document is centered. Assuming you are using A4 paper to actually > print on, why are the default page sizes not both A4? As I said in an earlier posting, getting things to present on the paper appears to be an arcane art... Both paper sizes RO and Win show as A4. To test, I'm using the exact same OvPro document in both OvPros. On the Win side it is 210 x 297mm and that's it, no dialogue for anything else, as in theory the Win app being used to created the document sets the x,y margins etc. (I think, probably...) If I use a RO paper size of 210 x 297mm and don't touch the margins dialogues, then the printed page is positioned incorrectly, too far right by 4-6mm and down some mm cutting off the bottom of the page. If I re-jig the RO paper size to be 204 x 290mm, then, to within a gnats wotsit a page printed from OV-RO is identical to a page from OV-Win. And that now holds true for all my Ov document templates. (So far). Bhaaaa! Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 11 21:46:08 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S6qYs-1sNknw-06-F8X.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:46:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S6qYs-1sNknw-06-F8X; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:44:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S6qYs-1sNknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:44:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S6qYq-0006ol-Fi for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:44:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58586EA5658; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:44:10 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331502250; bh=qoLd51Htr72bo3d2ZqCkJyykTHivObnQGYyPO/vG /dU=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=IkI8XyP5CRBUVr0D5FRv8Fq/Qy0rgMFAKVxM+aaEigVY1lqloc wMejYuh4O8C8mX9VIG5TM6Li9CjWzx9F/juAf5z48pGTX4Himm9UkIlOVRmhAWLarCW DK3ghCWtaxl5ILrXYgWbD2WmIQA4Ktec5s0oD8eShfZ4DoHROCOqLw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8RGUSjse9zuG; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BBCCEA55F5; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:43:57 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331502249; bh=qoLd51Htr72bo3d2ZqCkJyykTHivObnQGYyPO/vG /dU=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=g+GTK1hokB20OFSaC6bdEKEAV9PgQjZV0QwiwOMoLD+FLegPTP 0t6vll2yYPce4iCSk2sHV+tAWL2CG+UClr9A3hqQSFkccQ3rX7igHYnmSpzhwGyLbbB E3Pm4VDQ7nZSnWIyohDTIz4Gt5axU5q716b8H9v2DQeRsTzpQdvuo0= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:43:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D55D3EA5313 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:43:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fg-rubWwkY1Q for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E40CEA55F5 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([109.176.220.98]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2BLhqDs029777 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:43:52 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and paper To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:43:36 GMT Message-ID: <668ff86e52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1090 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Anyway I think I'd be happier knowing both Windows and RISC OS were > using the printer in the same mode. Even out of PostScript, the printer > does PCL 5 and PCL 6. Just installed a different HP printer at work, and went to the download page as usual. I was presented with PCL5C, PCL6 and Postscript, with a note beside PCL5 paraphrased as "this is now officially obsolete, but is retained because some documents originally printed on PCL5 will be rendered differently with PCL6 or PostScript." I suggest you make sure you are using PostScript on both systems. > Look at it this way, what are the chances of PostScript and PCL (on > Windows) landing in the same place on the paper, one of them must be the > closest to RISC OS. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 11 22:15:02 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S6qbF-1wCknw-06-F6A.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:15:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S6qbF-1wCknw-06-F6A; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:46:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S6qbF-1wCknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:46:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S6qbA-0004IE-PN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97ED6EA5313 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([109.176.220.98]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2BLkMBI029889 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:46:22 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and paper To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:46:10 GMT Message-ID: References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> <526df38e94dave@triffid.co.uk> <526df593d4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <526e219184dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <526e219184dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1091 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <526e219184dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <526df593d4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, > Chris Johnson wrote: >> In article <526df38e94dave@triffid.co.uk>, >> Dave Symes wrote: >>> I took note of the default page size in the Windows print dialogue, >>> and using that created a new paper size in RO Printers. >> Surely if the default paper sizes are different, that is bound to >> produce different positioning, especially if the active part of the >> document is centered. Assuming you are using A4 paper to actually >> print on, why are the default page sizes not both A4? > As I said in an earlier posting, getting things to present on the paper > appears to be an arcane art... > Both paper sizes RO and Win show as A4. > To test, I'm using the exact same OvPro document in both OvPros. > On the Win side it is 210 x 297mm and that's it, no dialogue for anything > else, as in theory the Win app being used to created the document sets the > x,y margins etc. (I think, probably...) Doesn't centre centre the document in the printable area, rather than the paper? If so, different margins will cause issues. Windows tends to use generous margins, i.e. smaller printable area. > If I use a RO paper size of 210 x 297mm and don't touch the margins > dialogues, then the printed page is positioned incorrectly, too far right > by 4-6mm and down some mm cutting off the bottom of the page. > If I re-jig the RO paper size to be 204 x 290mm, then, to within a gnats > wotsit a page printed from OV-RO is identical to a page from OV-Win. > And that now holds true for all my Ov document templates. (So far). > Bhaaaa! > Dave -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 12 11:58:37 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S6yQn-00oVbt-05-OJe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 11:58:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S6yQn-00oVbt-05-OJe; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S6yQn-00oVbt-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 06:08:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S6yQj-0000qp-F3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 06:08:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6687EA5863; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 02:08:15 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331532495; bh=8Kt8f3FsXNAbIWgo2Sljucd+HMx8NFO7yCNt/n7o jRE=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=ThaIxS 82cm/G2emmlD3TElviGGkrTjR7X9r4cQ847UYStwNIcqcyJg5vg5PPoFIxOKVb4cxUt xg8g0oNgzcF77E8HmQ5uQSlidOUKh+m5PlWPeKsSH6k2mK4+riHbukvq54nuzRnTcfS mjYcdMUpEKLTaS+A+Saqej4wqzyi/Xc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4GL8fzAe3i14; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 02:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C11AEA5831; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 02:08:02 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331532495; bh=8Kt8f3FsXNAbIWgo2Sljucd+HMx8NFO7yCNt/n7o jRE=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=ThaIxS 82cm/G2emmlD3TElviGGkrTjR7X9r4cQ847UYStwNIcqcyJg5vg5PPoFIxOKVb4cxUt xg8g0oNgzcF77E8HmQ5uQSlidOUKh+m5PlWPeKsSH6k2mK4+riHbukvq54nuzRnTcfS mjYcdMUpEKLTaS+A+Saqej4wqzyi/Xc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Mar 2012 02:08:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50CCAEA5849 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 02:08:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F8Cd7+6Hg2Zr for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 02:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3C10EA5831 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 02:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.136.197]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2C67qNs011417 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 06:07:53 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 05:57:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and paper Message-ID: <526f25c9eadave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <668ff86e52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> <668ff86e52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1092 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <668ff86e52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk>, Alan Adams wrote: [Snippy] > I suggest you make sure you are using PostScript on both systems. Only snaggy poos Alan... How would I know what was being used? I know nothing... It's just a printer, I click print and it either prints or it doesn't. ;-) Dave All I know, with regard to Ovation Pro... On the Windows side it has Direct Postscript output ticked, but of course nothing similar is showing in the RO OvPro Configure Printers. D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 12 12:13:04 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S742a-08j000-07-ABL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:13:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S742a-08j000-07-ABL; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:08:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S742a-08j000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:08:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S742X-0001wN-Kt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:07:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D171EA44C8; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:07:47 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331554067; bh=VY3vyil1L4Vo14gkFu2/tAWBZFFG3r8En5xJ/09I Hag=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=xtMajSKJlbfd604z6T/L1CBgT87AZBZCvkkKIBqFI9YyWoMqqq z2DE6lxk26612MM3pB+o60Aqsr3x+G1pIt8JEbCfAR5oX2b2hjwVVeOvplvUYNSql3F HKmn5ztwOVwQiEAMaryM64sUqkLBwwnYp39B+GKOlOV+ChHACa2Qv0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uJwwVU49VfoJ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72114E9EA66; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:07:33 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331554066; bh=VY3vyil1L4Vo14gkFu2/tAWBZFFG3r8En5xJ/09I Hag=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=CkY8BgOi+8MDdNNwfPBTvdipr8yDOcVBVU4Y67NhRH99udXcGR pnf9+FlQbHAxdKWibBk/qjoIJjfILn6Cja8mR409egyZ/l3GG3RG1Ac+hxiwl2i3tqh eNS/PXrvLzIblpsfCdaV4lX85ycNvAL5RdQ6fvHrKQWE5ePaxfhLME= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:07:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 428A4EA2A4A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:07:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jYATI3MCZ-q6 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78147E9EA66 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1S742E-0003Pd-hk for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:07:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:06:11 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and paper References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> <668ff86e52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <526f25c9eadave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <526f25c9eadave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1093 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <526f25c9eadave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >In article <668ff86e52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk>, > Alan Adams wrote: >[Snippy] >> I suggest you make sure you are using PostScript on both systems. > >Only snaggy poos Alan... >How would I know what was being used? Yeah but printer drivers have names... In Windows 'Printers and Faxes' I have: HP Laset Jet 4050 Series PS MS Publisher Imagesetter Microsoft XPS Document Writer That is obvious enough before I start right clicking on them, selecting 'properties' and reading off more stuff. Once you do click on 'properties' then under 'device settings' you get a lot of clues, my PS printer has a load of settings 'PostScript' this and that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 12 19:27:45 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S7AoS-01M000-03-Bvz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:27:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S7AoS-01M000-03-Bvz; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:21:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S7AoS-01M000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:21:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S7AoN-0003aP-F5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:21:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C6F3EA670E; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:21:37 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331580097; bh=ma5HEO+kpE8jOmxRB68tTnlD1sLbs+oXX3Qg+3Ul TBU=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=EYuqRkiwwciJAaG9bCbMSpjLmeShGAEN8ACdg92A17Kkhcgnwt CJh0Fz8B8k9v0fywoGqUC2ozVYyTYY76FjTYaLnvUu6qPjH1P2++Wzamv9Y+tRt7pSY 3dLv+q0y9zQyoaHzv8hwN63X9RwnryEBndcxfVZXNyAJUY6YfU/BNI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PdKzDEjt2Kjr; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F4A6EA66D7; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:21:24 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331580096; bh=ma5HEO+kpE8jOmxRB68tTnlD1sLbs+oXX3Qg+3Ul TBU=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=CEZB7VfVWcuqkp4nFnVbklpO5RebnhcYmmlO2a2FBm8vWtevNt z2vkubs49kI6H6o3rmN+Rg5znGWDq9sRqHp0jEJSN3hnWW7sJTQfGRJq/Dj0w+e8izU +kp2arWkgDmLzjLLmGRAav9R2POPDb09JlmgAn7vpxXkNuAISU+yk8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:21:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E821BEA66E1 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:21:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J6-xEOdCc7Nr for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A61AEA66D7 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.138.170]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2CJLGdt006440 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:21:20 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:21:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro and paper Message-ID: <526f6f5a2bdave@triffid.co.uk> References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> <668ff86e52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <526f25c9eadave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1094 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <526f25c9eadave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >In article <668ff86e52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk>, > > Alan Adams wrote: > >[Snippy] > >> I suggest you make sure you are using PostScript on both systems. > > > >Only snaggy poos Alan... > >How would I know what was being used? > Yeah but printer drivers have names... > In Windows 'Printers and Faxes' I have: > HP Laset Jet 4050 Series PS > MS Publisher Imagesetter > Microsoft XPS Document Writer > That is obvious enough before I start right clicking on them, selecting > 'properties' and reading off more stuff. > Once you do click on 'properties' then under 'device settings' you get a > lot of clues, my PS printer has a load of settings 'PostScript' this and > that. Yes I know the drivers have names. HP LaserJet P2050 series PCL6 Microsoft XPS Document writer PDFCreator Snagit 10 The only one that has any mention of PostScript (3) is PDFCreator, and that doesn't print to a mechanical printer only to file. (Yes I know it can also be set to print the document it's created to a mechanical printer) but that's not what it's really for. And there's not a sniff of Postscript in the LJ-P2055dn in its Device settings. 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Sorry, don't know 'nuffink' about all that, I just shoved the supplied CD in the drive and let it get on with it. 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Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk (nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.205]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B967DEA64FC for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.149.64]) by nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id q2CKfAlD028494 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:41:15 GMT Received: from [192.168.1.17] (host-78-150-27-239.as13285.net [78.150.27.239]) (authenticated user=cbonsall mech=PLAIN bits=0) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q2CKf9tc009227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:41:10 GMT From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1331584875-24054-46" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and paper Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:41:09 +0000 In-Reply-To: <526f730284dave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> <668ff86e52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <526f25c9eadave@triffid.co.uk> <526f6f5a2bdave@triffid.co.uk> <526f730284dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-Id: <62DF47B1-2E4C-4910-B4B5-D0227BF088FE@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.60, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 129.215.13.205 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 X-archive-position: 1097 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: c.bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1331584875-24054-46 Received: from [192.168.1.17] (host-78-150-27-239.as13285.net [78.150.27.239]) (authenticated user=cbonsall mech=PLAIN bits=0) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q2CKf9tc009227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:41:10 GMT From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3C5CC3F4-6F68-48F8-8011-0518FDF52663" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro and paper Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:41:09 +0000 In-Reply-To: <526f730284dave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> <668ff86e52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <526f25c9eadave@triffid.co.uk> <526f6f5a2bdave@triffid.co.uk> <526f730284dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-Id: <62DF47B1-2E4C-4910-B4B5-D0227BF088FE@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.52, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 --Apple-Mail=_3C5CC3F4-6F68-48F8-8011-0518FDF52663 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline On 12 Mar 2012, at 20:01, Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: >> Dave Symes wrote: >=20 >>> Yes I know the drivers have names. >>> HP LaserJet P2050 series PCL6 >=20 >> So... you need to install a PS driver instead of a PCL one? >=20 > Sorry, don't know 'nuffink' about all that, I just shoved the supplied CD > in the drive and let it get on with it. You could always install Adobe's universal PS driver (free) =85 http://www= .adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=3Dpdrv&platform=3Dwin =3D Clive Bonsall --Apple-Mail=_3C5CC3F4-6F68-48F8-8011-0518FDF52663 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline
On 12 Mar 20= 12, at 20:01, Dave Symes wrote:

In article <mpro.m0sec6001uxh30314@wingsand= beaks.org.uk.invalid>,
  Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists = <jn.fr.lsts.74@win= gsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:
Dave Symes &l= t;dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

Yes = I know the drivers have names.
HP LaserJet P2050 series PCL6

So... you need to instal= l a PS driver instead of a PCL one?

Sorry, don't know '= nuffink' about all that, I just shoved the supplied CD
in the drive and = let it get on with it.

You could always in= stall Adobe's universal PS driver (free) =85  ht= tp://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=3Dpdrv&platfor= m=3Dwin

=3D
Clive Bonsall
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Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:16:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UGr6mvZgnowl for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29774EA6394 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (95-89-83-248-dynip.superkabel.de [95.89.83.248]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MDJ7o-1S8HzZ0KSa-00GY04; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:16:33 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and paper To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:15:26 +0100 Message-ID: <29d1796f52.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> <668ff86e52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <526f25c9eadave@triffid.co.uk> <526f6f5a2bdave@triffid.co.uk> <526f730284dave@triffid.co.uk> <62DF47B1-2E4C-4910-B4B5-D0227BF088FE@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <62DF47B1-2E4C-4910-B4B5-D0227BF088FE@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.18) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:ejEz0Ocy7WZ5t5a96rcerVVPDUaFgm/O5WKt5NekTgy hBW4NTMWtHxuVoYHepLC0NC2te04Otk0RPzk5oSGWT2L11AM+t crJGcHqDDAdhh3YtyWYbfKMf1rJ4GUjpr/Vhf9YY/lJuXG5W/n s8enDzg7SD0xI3y6zRrIeHs63baKgZ/wjO7fHdXSk1nBc/B4q+ d62Py03lyrLofd6Bn1FlJtdj0XD9yyzoJBtgCGC4pRJr29x77A 1VmdQjarCQ6SivfluEYlljl6jEWrDrfcfZ4sTdwXm7+1j4SdSb 9cWyWKHy82N70Xp/5DHka/6h4LCQkrXe11AgUx80eN5dXmljA= = X-archive-position: 1098 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <62DF47B1-2E4C-4910-B4B5-D0227BF088FE@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 12 Mar 2012, at 20:01, Dave Symes wrote: >> In article , >> Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wr= ote: >>> Dave Symes wrote: >>=20 >>>> Yes I know the drivers have names. >>>> HP LaserJet P2050 series PCL6 >>=20 >>> So... you need to install a PS driver instead of a PCL one? >>=20 >> Sorry, don't know 'nuffink' about all that, I just shoved the supplied= CD >> in the drive and let it get on with it. > You could always install Adobe's universal PS driver (free) =85 > http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=3Dpdrv&platf= o > rm=3Dwin You could, but you would be far better off with HP's PostScript=20 driver, which offers all the printer-specific options. You can have=20 both the PCL6 and the PS drivers installed at the same time. Most=20 users will find it impossible to tell the difference between the two. By default, HP install their printers as PCL6 printers. My Colour=20 LaserJet CP2025dn did the same. You have to do quite a bit of extra=20 work to get it printing via PostScript. From Windows, there is not=20 much point unless you know what you are doing and you require access=20 to PostScript-specific features. >From RISC OS, this is a different matter of course. Luckily, this is=20 straightforward. You just install the PostScript driver (preferably,=20 PostScript 3 ;-)) and off you go. For the time being, you do not get=20 access to printer-specific features though, except by low-level=20 fiddling with Feeds files. Hopefully that will change at some stage... 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Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:20:39 +0000 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and paper Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <526f730284dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> <668ff86e52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <526f25c9eadave@triffid.co.uk> <526f6f5a2bdave@triffid.co.uk> <526f730284dave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1099 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Dave Symes wrote: >In article , > Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: >> Dave Symes wrote: > >> >Yes I know the drivers have names. >> >HP LaserJet P2050 series PCL6 > >> So... you need to install a PS driver instead of a PCL one? > > Sorry, don't know 'nuffink' about all that, I just shoved the supplied CD > in the drive and let it get on with it. I doubt that, there must have been some questions involved. If you look at: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?lang=en&cc=uk&prodNameId=3662055&prodTypeId=18972&prodSeriesId=3662052&swLang=8&taskId=135&swEnvOID=4062#113330 you'll find there are separate PCL and PS drivers for this thing. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 12 21:27:49 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S7Cj5-3j3Vbs-02-A1M.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:27:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S7Cj5-3j3Vbs-02-A1M; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:24:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S7Cj5-3j3Vbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:24:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S7Cj4-0000rB-No for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7CA14EA2BC0 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1S7CiW-0004Yl-mo for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:23:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:22:27 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and paper References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> <668ff86e52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <526f25c9eadave@triffid.co.uk> <526f6f5a2bdave@triffid.co.uk> <526f730284dave@triffid.co.uk> <62DF47B1-2E4C-4910-B4B5-D0227BF088FE@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <62DF47B1-2E4C-4910-B4B5-D0227BF088FE@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1100 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <62DF47B1-2E4C-4910-B4B5-D0227BF088FE@ed.ac.uk>, Clive=20 Bonsall writes >You could always install Adobe's universal PS driver (free) =E2=80=A6 =C2= =A0 That is true. It is hard to say because the are different versions of=20 Windows, but ISTR you can navigate your way through printer drivers, and=20 pick which one to install. That may be a way of getting to the PS driver=20 for a given printer. Plan B - (if they still do it), the disc supplied with the printer may=20 have a choice of drivers. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR.= UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 13 12:00:56 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S7Lfe-2Lw000-01-9bJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:00:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S7Lfe-2Lw000-01-9bJ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:57:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S7Lfe-2Lw000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:57:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S7Lfb-0004ai-84 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:57:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BD31EA5C39; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:57:16 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331621836; bh=A9CEq7HAJVHYND+l4U2hM1BNe+3XA9VzRl9fvqMw rAI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=TwJyJqwQN5vzh/tLk0saciHuV9eUEKbrdWRWIx+b 4QIc5CVEAUGDN6R1v5BSi56ftU+ZqHyHN72BIQ+JX7p+wF69AmnwgV4OQjVLHiGLGKz MOPy0VHPQI1Yp6eKug2PSSHSZRdR8swQ/XyFXqf7qfvjDI+9/fa6NviMREpI+3Rg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I9GrOgP5jj+J; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ACB42EA5BFA; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:57:02 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1331621835; bh=A9CEq7HAJVHYND+l4U2hM1BNe+3XA9VzRl9fvqMw rAI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=xjfHolnf01sfzTdMeYfSb/8NpvKqchEY45Sbapi3 lH6JzK4TENKpoYcXdx7trctyPdAlC/+p0wSqbrR38AxvClr4xwjR+t3v6cFmLWIMidQ P3C5qaHQitDy6MqOjSNa52iOcnlk9m3oy3VFcpy2ZB5Qlb28ez1aO+2uQMwmUj2o= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:57:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E60DEA5BFB for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:57:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9dFiCXy9EdW5 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9CB4EA5BFA for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.35.44]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2D6updG025783 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:56:53 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 06:55:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro and paper Message-ID: <526faee181dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <526dc6feebdave@triffid.co.uk> <526de24a2adave@triffid.co.uk> <668ff86e52.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <526f25c9eadave@triffid.co.uk> <526f6f5a2bdave@triffid.co.uk> <526f730284dave@triffid.co.uk> <62DF47B1-2E4C-4910-B4B5-D0227BF088FE@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1101 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <62DF47B1-2E4C-4910-B4B5-D0227BF088FE@ed.ac.uk>, Clive > Bonsall writes > >You could always install Adobe's universal PS driver (free) =8C > That is true. It is hard to say because the are different versions of > Windows, but ISTR you can navigate your way through printer drivers, and > pick which one to install. That may be a way of getting to the PS driver > for a given printer. > Plan B - (if they still do it), the disc supplied with the printer may > have a choice of drivers. It does, USB or Network. Well that was the only choice I got from the disc. Early last week I did go to the HP site, and yes there is a PS driver for the 2050 printer series, but I had a very, very difficult time installing from the cd on both Win machines. Searching online I discovered, so did a lot of other folks. At that point I did download and try installing the HP Universal driver, same no result though. The HP solution is disconnect the network cable, connect by USB, install the USB driver, obviously that worked first go... Disconnect USB cable, re-connect network cable, install again. By this time I was very ****** off and just installed from the CD. ;-) D. --=20 Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 18 18:59:38 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S9L8L-1wvknw-06-E0M.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:59:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S9L8L-1wvknw-06-E0M; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:47:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S9L8L-1wvknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:47:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S9L8K-0005GM-JL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:47:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FDC6EA94BE; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:47:11 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332096431; bh=7hJHG8GFzaWZmxHc1mCiHR7BFMK+bpuq5VXKbx2L NfA=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=c6UaSnRWp7iKzxgzo8agXjFTpg4Se vKfuXi/m/fLezxtcahHTsvLioBWzcK+CLElxal2gPeZJ0zD8c98NaxnxyooCzcBcQ3T tJepBY9Ifd4L6k4d41IJzykUvPbtB9NoMSXN6QUT2MGFyXI2GEebvyRxW19f/eKAaFW NdL2lBqM= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X5PKxwZ4tldC; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01F01EA7F54; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:46:57 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332096430; bh=7hJHG8GFzaWZmxHc1mCiHR7BFMK+bpuq5VXKbx2L NfA=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=EVGdlK8Q0MQNYqkmaKAv/kICuJz0B 2DCSuiHeKiAM72HqN/DTOL2xAaYkB217Ex0AaQ7ab0mCm+Xc9KtNAI4/jJtUVbOYp+N UvnrbI0Kj22OCWq0wXH8J+VRt6jI6l0NR+gBtxHZcxtF3bhCkvSXUGJAXwZ8u6u5aWJ YJay1qag= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:46:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6BC8EA80D5 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:46:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3z0qeHV261TB for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42D7AEA7F54 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([82.153.126.150]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2IIktYk007035 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:46:56 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Where to find latest version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:46:53 GMT Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1102 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Discussion in the iyonix list reminded me that I haven't upgraded OPro for some time. As a result I can't remember where to get the upgrade from. I'm currently using 2.77 (05-Nov-2009) on RO 5.16. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 18 19:14:38 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S9LO1-22PGPo-04-Dkg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:14:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S9LO1-22PGPo-04-Dkg; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:03:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S9LO1-22PGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:03:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S9LNy-0004PT-3o for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:03:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB71AEA9003; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:03:19 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332097399; bh=KHzBMJN4YTofVGT4+BjFF7zF91qxMBh/2lbJpmmj nvw=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Yy/et7 L4eJL+C683Nv2KrFSvp4h/rFDj017K0uSOhQfhbVh7Pgu9U53SDLhwnuABB1+tB2Avr q2qaznT2V0r6cBllNRDjm3ANV2SaYHtvlcYHsMcrLIz6ipydaFsDa27eaVtpx1chGEg yubTlibUbYFeLC0k8efDEtPs/qlqxj4= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lm82NcoQhNp1; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C059EA8691; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:03:06 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332097399; bh=KHzBMJN4YTofVGT4+BjFF7zF91qxMBh/2lbJpmmj nvw=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Yy/et7 L4eJL+C683Nv2KrFSvp4h/rFDj017K0uSOhQfhbVh7Pgu9U53SDLhwnuABB1+tB2Avr q2qaznT2V0r6cBllNRDjm3ANV2SaYHtvlcYHsMcrLIz6ipydaFsDa27eaVtpx1chGEg yubTlibUbYFeLC0k8efDEtPs/qlqxj4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:03:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E787EA8FB2 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:03:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wKJa3eCVCodJ for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avasout01.plus.net (avasout01.plus.net [84.93.230.227]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70029EA8691 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix2. ([80.229.143.2]) by avasout01 with smtp id n7321i00203K0D401733Wc; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:03:03 +0000 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ZZifx7pA c=1 sm=1 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:17 a=QGUEKgwgM5kA:10 a=Hs33kDh6W-wA:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=4PjIW9BtSK8chxYpITgA:9 a=mvoSatRDA3oA:10 a=Si3glNQw7DN2N9MT:21 a=JR224x4wLt3sPijk:21 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:117 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:02:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Where to find latest version Message-ID: <527284adedchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1103 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Alan Adams wrote: > Discussion in the iyonix list reminded me that I haven't upgraded > OPro for some time. As a result I can't remember where to get the > upgrade from. I'm currently using 2.77 (05-Nov-2009) on RO 5.16. Latest version I have is 2.77r (10-Mar-2011). Find upgrade at http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opr.html -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 18 20:28:13 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S9MUo-4H1knw-08-Cdt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:28:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S9MUo-4H1knw-08-Cdt; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:14:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S9MUo-4H1knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:14:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S9MUZ-0001tz-NC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:14:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75156EA9139; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:14:12 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332101652; bh=GKH+hdVHqbyisxzHq8WbUz+0ZYvZ7S9KVXtSKdY+ vqI=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=lPD0I/0mlfSTyw31KkUnlUKvxJ/QYCULrvPwaDsS0q3tDLAW7n l3XgdynziCSh3JvfZURP2bJS3ZqiBHMDQFImPW2QDpmPjKNWgApZ/CbiyCCBsXai8ls UcjRL9qH3aGhbXzZDE/O5IOcGIYGO7m14/9eRlpZsNM8WFBpOAREtk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JiJ+hCMNL0Cp; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE979EA80FE; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:13:58 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332101651; bh=GKH+hdVHqbyisxzHq8WbUz+0ZYvZ7S9KVXtSKdY+ vqI=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=DgWFZfNpP4/pipE7alcrs+1MXkVvdb3m959vGnaay3c+VfBjOM X1AJezulyFwm6YrnggFvvZKOWlKFO9GLIv32A8tNBY+E15KRGhxrlIuZYYFRDHgTgXD CD4IJ1Sq9bd7nSzc9/bewjVWmW+UxMktnnoJbYbHciYlJ13d9q3Bxw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:13:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C44D3EA87FF for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:13:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lRo-ZBXZKfIX for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10932EA80FE for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from armini.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-212-8.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.212.8]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2IKDqlx009408 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:13:52 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Where to find latest version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:07:38 GMT Message-ID: References: <527284adedchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <527284adedchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1104 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 18 Mar 2012 Chris Johnson wrote: > In article , > Alan Adams wrote: >> Discussion in the iyonix list reminded me that I haven't upgraded >> OPro for some time. As a result I can't remember where to get the >> upgrade from. I'm currently using 2.77 (05-Nov-2009) on RO 5.16. > Latest version I have is 2.77r (10-Mar-2011). > Find upgrade at http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opr.html FWIW here it's 2.77s (27 May 2011) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Hf \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ __ __ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 18 20:43:13 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S9Msv-1V4000-03-CFm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:43:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S9Msv-1V4000-03-CFm; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:39:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S9Msv-1V4000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:39:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S9Mst-00033s-2A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:39:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 866A4EA8AEA; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:39:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332103161; bh=buiTbt2YbHKFAr92ukTxUfeZzA2YZfSp6XGrmyKP C6M=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=P+unAM C4fYZnpe3Dz7HooGS5TNuLDrPtatQfwGNJBWEc/WkxUmXY95iIpJJZWbBr0Aw118fcv z+nzmOeGKDcXp0w2PE3/vxCn6DwYR4ovozhI+6bGs5vRBWBHNoQ6vS3Tlvz0UYGFJM2 5hrKthdTMMLLjRZdI3IC0Z3LWBdAhds= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TwUxPAIpQ7-n; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30384EA708B; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:39:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332103160; bh=buiTbt2YbHKFAr92ukTxUfeZzA2YZfSp6XGrmyKP C6M=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=o0QTDV b9aCqyo/rYkOVn2n4UMI2IeDQUPbb62cHrYGTFkYaDo20nEcu8EfZvsI44jf/HJ2ZsW oy+oxZaCJWee5qCNHuj8tpLDNujgDM6fYJkmKssrqGYUtWAuDg3xY/TgSYHqrLYkvWX uP/yLEnCYNHHBFNuoR+QYyF5FTmYP2M= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:39:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EACEEA6CF7 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:39:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GYvO+O4Vmg7i for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avasout01.plus.net (avasout01.plus.net [84.93.230.227]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF6AAEA8AEA for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix2. ([80.229.143.2]) by avasout01 with smtp id n8f21i00703K0D4018f3ib; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:39:04 +0000 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ZZifx7pA c=1 sm=1 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:17 a=QGUEKgwgM5kA:10 a=Hs33kDh6W-wA:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=Wuo7pNBOviYE4t2cGCcA:9 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=I1RazJIS8NY-L4f7:21 a=642Ap5ZSXwvoAs4t:21 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:117 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 20:38:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Where to find latest version Message-ID: <52728d7683chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <527284adedchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1105 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Peter Young wrote: > FWIW here it's 2.77s (27 May 2011) Yes, I realised I was out of date when checking the link. On checking my store of zip files on my hard drive, there it is, downloaded at the time. Never actually upgraded my working copy though. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 18 21:57:02 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S9NrF-3Bm000-05-BHS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 21:57:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S9NrF-3Bm000-05-BHS; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 21:41:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S9NrF-3Bm000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 21:41:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S9NrD-0005Ax-K0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 21:41:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A17FEA90CF; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 17:41:41 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332106901; bh=5v2SrnW9DXAIoBbHgJVGjvIs3W+tiezSzUFLssmm UEA=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Di6JA3Hc9IrwHKDHfN1BFqzB1HD5wqxgvDEjBPGh9lpdG3E/Zn bygrE7Xu+nUecthlBy20fUhmR/qTh7qM17uT4ugW/WmZhbWHBXaKAynBN/EJ6NxOSUn /hUkeiFIUSz/PJKd7R02OkNUw1r0ZnN4TA87znjeInYnvxkGk4XJkw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XG442Ccdh+24; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 17:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA296EA7D79; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 17:41:27 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332106900; bh=5v2SrnW9DXAIoBbHgJVGjvIs3W+tiezSzUFLssmm UEA=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=mShtFaAWt401w/hNftuOcka+MvnXkNf375SDTUG3QmhDR7wF1x tWJniTld3tIeq1Ldny7s5n4FwKNj+ZWN5ZBwu9eeKdyQEPfsOnbCkSPKCsRSL2iaU3d /qoosVB+TaM33LmBzn4O0BJbTtxPS8poRlm2zJSxKB2j1e8wI+sxWQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 Mar 2012 17:41:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A87CFEA811D for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 17:41:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jYLWvOL-8sDo for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 17:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 233B7EA7D79 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 17:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([82.153.126.150]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2ILfN00011867 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 21:41:23 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Where to find latest version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 21:41:11 GMT Message-ID: References: <527284adedchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <527284adedchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1106 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Thanks everyone, i have it now. Alan In message <527284adedchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Chris Johnson wrote: > In article , > Alan Adams wrote: >> Discussion in the iyonix list reminded me that I haven't upgraded >> OPro for some time. As a result I can't remember where to get the >> upgrade from. I'm currently using 2.77 (05-Nov-2009) on RO 5.16. > Latest version I have is 2.77r (10-Mar-2011). > Find upgrade at http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/opr.html -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 18 22:57:04 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S9Otp-4g2000-07-AEs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:57:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S9Otp-4g2000-07-AEs; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:48:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S9Otp-4g2000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:48:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S9Oto-0003uu-H3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:48:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A1E7EA8B40; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:48:23 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332110903; bh=kRhhq2IdUn1xRNFipGm0WS+WLZ+qVNYG5M1v0Gsv AB4=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=GsZ1oD AfMZe1I+h3mGTWsCKO9vXDb+KobSuH+A4RPF4qESJzCO9X1088uFepEg7Rb+scNNZvu APc7yTQynAfytjS8JNmK/+wX7J5SiH66bBP5P7wRypwQ2h3CJAaHC5tEWfO6CQh/fsf 9TWb8csOtuw9OXlhQLdK47guz7UAauk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1JfN5psqF7Cg; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39F11EA7300; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:48:10 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332110902; bh=kRhhq2IdUn1xRNFipGm0WS+WLZ+qVNYG5M1v0Gsv AB4=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=jEIxh/ mZhqnCJh9ZzcXjcB2vEBZq2Vq6219ttUja+IhMSwznJECk5wYTWedmCzCE6ydYpcgoA b2pNPyTLuP8p1j9F/KBV+atzyuDniBCgBOuY28ZU/UFdhvtKL7sGq2vDPYCUuv2cJun Q/uWVobgXxvXnmtawNpTzPsUBd9pjNA= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:48:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D33CEA73A3 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:48:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IaEr1z2DwHbw for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avasout01.plus.net (avasout01.plus.net [84.93.230.227]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EA71EA7300 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 18:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix2. ([80.229.143.2]) by avasout01 with smtp id nAo51i00403K0D401Ao7du; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:48:07 +0000 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ZZifx7pA c=1 sm=1 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:17 a=QGUEKgwgM5kA:10 a=Hs33kDh6W-wA:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=4PjIW9BtSK8chxYpITgA:9 a=THmMCegLx4yVDO9E:21 a=lIWUInYTQDGCa4oR:21 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:117 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:47:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Where to find latest version Message-ID: <5272993abachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1107 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Alan Adams wrote: > I'm currently using 2.77 (05-Nov-2009) on RO 5.16. Why aren't you on 5.18 now? -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 19 17:08:15 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S9fvI-2mVVbs-01-AGR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:08:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S9fvI-2mVVbs-01-AGR; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:59:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S9fvI-2mVVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:59:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S9fvC-0002ji-Mk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:59:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8532EA6B32; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:33:02 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332174782; bh=nA9kbwEqcKiwxPqeyaD6X4eRl6+5PtBBZNYX/jnP xoI=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=VHqZpsqN0wBhWC1oP+5spyX5DSjFQFCLp71lcboVMLav6ueXwv 9KNP41n5Iuawa3gOai+SZZUzmadB475mYeGMi77entufZ9kHlf+Peb+xIiO/zn75xCP hL2XRlTs2yGL71k1jGra+QkTsNOmKvzMYqYXE6z2hOKD3h8pQaYrMk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yzxmGdEFUkp6; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5BB3EA7CC4; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:32:49 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332174782; bh=nA9kbwEqcKiwxPqeyaD6X4eRl6+5PtBBZNYX/jnP xoI=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=VHqZpsqN0wBhWC1oP+5spyX5DSjFQFCLp71lcboVMLav6ueXwv 9KNP41n5Iuawa3gOai+SZZUzmadB475mYeGMi77entufZ9kHlf+Peb+xIiO/zn75xCP hL2XRlTs2yGL71k1jGra+QkTsNOmKvzMYqYXE6z2hOKD3h8pQaYrMk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:32:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C2C8EA7C2E for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:32:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N3Jtj8h0ZMU0 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 628D3EA6991 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 12:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([109.176.208.106]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2JGWMIr018494 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:32:23 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Where to find latest version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:32:11 GMT Message-ID: <6cbcfa7252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <5272993abachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <5272993abachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1108 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <5272993abachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Chris Johnson wrote: > In article , > Alan Adams wrote: >> I'm currently using 2.77 (05-Nov-2009) on RO 5.16. > Why aren't you on 5.18 now? partly because OPro 2.77 (2009) doesn't work fully on it. Hence the request for the location of the update. Alan -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 19 17:52:48 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S9gfQ-0HX000-05-9WJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:52:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S9gfQ-0HX000-05-9WJ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:46:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S9gfQ-0HX000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:46:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S9gfN-0000EO-Hv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:46:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B879EAA6D7; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:46:26 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332179186; bh=xAXTyNmfqIEJE05ayO0z7MwQANJrwePcCt6EHM37 /eQ=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Blr/pMp+SajE+DM1A9oIHC+PP3IhiVHO/dthNol8zW3Mw9t4pm hzU7RaGJTjzCj2OlPsgiQPUbCedF8ep8FjI7xwgMaWGkREfRXB4I+o03RV9J4pZAw5T ujCZgw9Mt6w7v6tENG+CE9vqzbBNeFYTyJB4pC9FTDvDdq20vlpHn0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CrIldt15KA-p; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FA1FEAA6C0; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:46:12 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332179185; bh=xAXTyNmfqIEJE05ayO0z7MwQANJrwePcCt6EHM37 /eQ=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=TkGQIiH+ocjLh63dojfnBWdD2oT34nWSHDzVzzMkIv9DQbikKK pyTTuNm6vUAsr3/LVmkvmSmISikUEaJByOmQfowxJP/v3fOsgQutjauIUraKFdfW1Nx S0M2Kxbjvnkzc36izTgYd8n9urnttdOIK48gfANdSosVGSHYGWwUYw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:46:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C889EAA6C1 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:46:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AYXCSbBfxA3V for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C76FAEAA6C0 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from armini.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-212-8.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.212.8]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2JHjvJM023056 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:46:08 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Where to find latest version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:22:34 GMT Message-ID: <4c59ff7252.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5272993abachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <6cbcfa7252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <6cbcfa7252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1109 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 19 Mar 2012 Alan Adams wrote: > In message <5272993abachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> > Chris Johnson wrote: >> In article , >> Alan Adams wrote: >>> I'm currently using 2.77 (05-Nov-2009) on RO 5.16. >> Why aren't you on 5.18 now? > partly because OPro 2.77 (2009) doesn't work fully on it. Hence the > request for the location of the update. That's odd, as I have 2.77c (27 May 2011) working fine, as far as I know, on this ARMini now with 5.18! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Hf \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ __ __ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 19 18:37:48 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S9hER-0hcVbs-02-8xI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:37:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S9hER-0hcVbs-02-8xI; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:22:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S9hER-0hcVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:22:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S9hEN-00056u-4t for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:22:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27902EA9C99; 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Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A36ADEA9C1B for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120319182236.OXNE20752.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:22:36 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120319182236.FHEL5924.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:22:36 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Where to find latest version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:22:32 GMT Message-ID: References: <5272993abachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <6cbcfa7252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <6cbcfa7252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=AACbn2ZCvCEA:10 a=e3-3QpGUN9wA:10 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=GgTTfraGewvhXwH2QkkA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=5HT6xxNorI_RkXEc:21 a=pH5l0_xj8WlxShY1:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 1110 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <6cbcfa7252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > In message <5272993abachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> > Chris Johnson wrote: >> In article , >> Alan Adams wrote: >>> I'm currently using 2.77 (05-Nov-2009) on RO 5.16. >> Why aren't you on 5.18 now? > partly because OPro 2.77 (2009) doesn't work fully on it. Hence the > request for the location of the update. All is well with my 5.18 and OPro 2.77 together Alan, Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 19 18:37:49 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S9hPD-18mVbs-06-8mW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:37:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S9hPD-18mVbs-06-8mW; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:34:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S9hPD-18mVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:34:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S9hP1-0001rQ-C4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:34:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0889EEAA1CA; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:26:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332181569; bh=n13l26QU/jgC61U7tGTzioP4xU6QfGYFIwJpkj9F yyk=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=knoasPrEAr0MLV8ctnuDknmzXnsT6AxWjdLcd9q6Gu4R678u39 xrDk+69zLlwLEvNA/DsuS/I4QDck1K9K9YqI9ppyuhUratLfO/IxlJc6EmxdcLlEha5 lyZ37I2rNxJ+yK7K16omEC+BzIrXagpltU5IPaMgP9ykmaNYznZi08= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t9IyqXgj25Tw; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7BF8EAA096; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:25:54 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332181567; bh=n13l26QU/jgC61U7tGTzioP4xU6QfGYFIwJpkj9F yyk=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=AVWnGRxJSRTDvfy+6IoFxZvsXrL0Ycpsyyl/dNyBXoP8VzKyr+ yP3Yee2OMQ5DREOyX0OqW68Vowzq4LKZ1GSv/BTFeprOlMx5PH0fz1lRZhanZbc2ci0 6bdztGD/C/edGVqWj06vlzyesHQ3xz8S6hmmShuM43IfHJ+AXVq39w= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:25:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8ABDCEAA08C for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:25:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jq-FpoagHhiF for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30CE0EA7916 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([109.176.208.106]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2JIPeuP025665 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:25:40 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Where to find latest version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:25:40 GMT Message-ID: <1b20057352.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <5272993abachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <6cbcfa7252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <4c59ff7252.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4c59ff7252.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1111 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <4c59ff7252.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Peter Young wrote: > On 19 Mar 2012 Alan Adams wrote: >> In message <5272993abachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> >> Chris Johnson wrote: >>> In article , >>> Alan Adams wrote: >>>> I'm currently using 2.77 (05-Nov-2009) on RO 5.16. >>> Why aren't you on 5.18 now? >> partly because OPro 2.77 (2009) doesn't work fully on it. Hence the >> request for the location of the update. > That's odd, as I have 2.77c (27 May 2011) working fine, as far as I > know, on this ARMini now with 5.18! There's been quite a discussion on the Iyonix mailing ist since 5.18 was released. The problem, as I recall, was to do with rotated JPEGs. It was fixed in OPro sometime last year, but I can't remember the version - confusingly they are all 2.77. I do remember seeing the announcement of a version fixed to work with Armini, but as I didn't have one, i didn't bother with the upgrade, at the time. > With best wishes, > Peter. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 19 18:37:49 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S9hQU-1CXVbs-06-8lF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:37:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S9hQU-1CXVbs-06-8lF; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:35:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S9hQU-1CXVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:35:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S9hQI-0005j7-Va for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:35:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38022EAA5EB; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:27:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332181672; bh=XXnrwZImqVfuzSr/6mZcFOJp7WtkIqe3uTW5ZgUn lHk=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=EozX3DbyuWa4lRUtU6/xQstDTTnY07IMYR7QE4+tlhsBM45e80 Q6MNYWhFmZZkUnVewv/5slo9RyKPAGc9q6WOovrczVH+EoBRIHoSpTr6DTmLSb7UIt5 LxsxMkds4xXQXl7QtYqykxk0kt6Wcpoib+wAx6rBNwf34RPPtf79Gs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hfXQrGOmApqT; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A55B8EAA5A8; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:27:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332181671; bh=XXnrwZImqVfuzSr/6mZcFOJp7WtkIqe3uTW5ZgUn lHk=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=tINuWE/NhQVXPbh+WgoR+ZghjJpVQkPAgjzLm6mr4a2jNgh1oK QBK0i87gJeL1SYoCZHyNHR+zkHryw+iXn9VY3sYSMtbDkN47ziDI79jbOCnPyvJ3i+8 2DPSkzt3JeBYhGugynWh+hGNYp6KFvHEXNA+FA8ASMYuYCChaSbWbQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:27:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82AB9EAA593 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:27:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sxrxIZxcYCnk for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57430EAA56B for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([109.176.208.106]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2JIRQnj025715 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:27:26 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Where to find latest version To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:27:19 GMT Message-ID: References: <5272993abachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <6cbcfa7252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1112 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <6cbcfa7252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> > Alan Adams wrote: >> In message <5272993abachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> >> Chris Johnson wrote: >>> In article , >>> Alan Adams wrote: >>>> I'm currently using 2.77 (05-Nov-2009) on RO 5.16. >>> Why aren't you on 5.18 now? >> partly because OPro 2.77 (2009) doesn't work fully on it. Hence the >> request for the location of the update. > All is well with my 5.18 and OPro 2.77 together Alan, It all depends which 2.77 you have. The 2009 one has the problem, sometime around 2011 it was fixed. Initially it was a Beagleboard problem, but the release of 5.18 exposed it on Iyonix as well. > Alan -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 19 18:52:49 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S9hZx-2zD000-04-8bm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:52:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S9hZx-2zD000-04-8bm; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:45:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S9hZx-2zD000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:45:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S9hZq-00055G-55 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:45:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B3F1EAA77B; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:45:04 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332182704; bh=lrrfLAjPK6MrEdGVZccu7yTyff/vTvnDb+HZswny Pk8=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=UBy5vspUNHEF9V4ObDENDNWWBpcMqmasplfDPtFo1OlrRKwphW 1McjrN3Pg+cwUJbCrFjzoF1O1nqW/iUVXfmYyIid3SamTOm/Gbxb2eQzvTjrasboTZX no7b4BCDm/Fya5x49jSelgkVv6k8UIZDpdnaJAxhSKpTFPZDE59xPU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bHuztkxUHbGG; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B19E3EAA5B7; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:44:50 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332182703; bh=lrrfLAjPK6MrEdGVZccu7yTyff/vTvnDb+HZswny Pk8=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=dv7fxsEBQbmruOdJ5lcMk/MozZ6VQq9F3AG1xeoki1/T0kaLkV 7QAE8iHpG8yy7QYx32d3EkxcvktgsbrMMdQf3wCsaI1HmSwP64LxxfB36z5iMMBy2wD FcAOtj14zAwwYaoUQqtxqhJpocieaiOIireme2wWbxvwX9qSm9A6rM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:44:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88B3AEAA6E6 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:44:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nt9EZPn4pXpo for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46899EAA5B7 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1S9hZO-0007PM-mI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:44:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:43:29 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Where to find latest version References: <5272993abachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <6cbcfa7252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1113 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Alan Adams writes >It all depends which 2.77 you have. The 2009 one has the problem, >sometime around 2011 it was fixed. Initially it was a Beagleboard >problem, but the release of 5.18 exposed it on Iyonix as well. All true. 2.77 is sub-versioned by date, and in the upgrade archive you'll find text files that say what was changed at what date. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 19 18:52:49 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S9hbF-32s000-04-8aU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:52:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S9hbF-32s000-04-8aU; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:46:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S9hbF-32s000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:46:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S9hbA-0007AI-Ro for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:46:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F94FEAA798; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:46:27 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332182787; bh=DuJnhmwQxDTRs89cG6WQ0Y+L4u/1RZMcxjlkeGRA AJA=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=XLUO00ifvE02YtuWJxsl+iYi8PDWpGkgI6FyL2XNyWGrMgsI5w xR5o9jiPRyvdyM0wune52EUwGyZQVbQBhOTsV0RyVoeM6t8Q5B+qwJ5Bh5DB6SrSVsn Op49sDZMw745BzSmYbP5OBIgdfmOQPfUNIpiMVyBCJ4QDUDXzQjuZ8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i9y-Qq+1nq2c; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10768EAA780; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:46:14 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1332182786; bh=DuJnhmwQxDTRs89cG6WQ0Y+L4u/1RZMcxjlkeGRA AJA=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=M9mdVqsoe13rmqaTJRl0VfM6eeVx5wUynwmc3rPKSftOElAMeN vk2rhfrQtsFMKzelsWjpGXF/slHbE3BVTA77oaJm9ukEbhWvTAEKGWED2XvMao3D8va Zo3Hud4TfgtYuDFfVJZJC+XftfFFgRaje8dBCzIAwJDE3mtBJUvOjU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:46:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DFCA6EAA782 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:46:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id INeXUrEyBVkv for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-msapost-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-msapost-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.181]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 750A5EAA780 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 93-96-233-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk ([93.96.233.85] helo=freds-mac.local) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtpsa (AUTH ypical) (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) id 1S9hau-0003Yg-Zg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:46:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 18:46:11 +0000 From: Frederick Bambrough To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Where to find latest version Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4c59ff7252.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5272993abachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <6cbcfa7252.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <4c59ff7252.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: @ypical ink User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.69.2.3801 (Qt/4.7.4) (Mac-OS/10.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1114 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fred@ypical.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <4c59ff7252.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Peter Young wrote: > On 19 Mar 2012 Alan Adams wrote: > > > In message <5272993abachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> > > Chris Johnson wrote: > > >> In article , > >> Alan Adams wrote: > >>> I'm currently using 2.77 (05-Nov-2009) on RO 5.16. > > >> Why aren't you on 5.18 now? > > > partly because OPro 2.77 (2009) doesn't work fully on it. Hence the > > request for the location of the update. > > That's odd, as I have 2.77c (27 May 2011) working fine, as far as I > know, on this ARMini now with 5.18! The latest version, to my knowledge, is 2.77s from David Pilling's site. Was working with ROS 5.18/5.19 except I had an issue with OPro setting my keyboards NumLk. David gave a fix which worked. -- Fred To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 31 20:41:39 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SE47p-27fknw-08-AqQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:41:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SE47p-27fknw-08-AqQ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:38:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SE47p-27fknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:38:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SE47b-00060S-BN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:38:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75C69EBA580; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:58:10 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333220290; bh=KOkbYexvtly4lG5cBziLjLHAmezEK+BM5fENV+a/ 39w=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=EWij7DmlRYI2t7fsiWczeDJV8/6Fr hzEwt3bhDP5NrUIDB6f9wXYhyHLRbtNNmVL+pPCQukI5ZVtpo5qwMOKc6pNbQYC+B47 eZyYZmrYZhxIIOLH3IGPyHdqpprgh7CD14ZIHhC3490t03U6FMpr1im6e1Hy2EHiieo +jnmm8A0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FNKP+V1PmLgI; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05961EBA56F; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:57:56 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333220289; bh=KOkbYexvtly4lG5cBziLjLHAmezEK+BM5fENV+a/ 39w=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=IgEpDHIXcvZc0TqQO5YytvPtQqlbm /O+cfK+o2zqlOGYa+ndmAvBzb4/k10bRO4cij6XKOKaFr41HQOwfown++//4ZYBWIdm G6Jd3MqKSVDwFgNj+UHr8vNiZqRNyke0f8INZa7ahb62ZAGe9Nq6cgrua2o2EU/k6UE m6yMw4dc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:57:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA905EBA4F2 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:57:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TBgg4RM9FzRo for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2C69EAD2BE for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.100.8]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2VIvj58025816 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:57:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:56:57 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] The failings of OvPro Message-ID: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1115 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Advance warning... Despite liking OvPro very much, I'm going to have a moan. I use OvPro on both RISC OS and Windows quite a lot, but I'm being caused a great deal of annoyance with its failing. 1) Ovpro for Windows cannot output RTF, so stuffed if you have to put a document in something else for customers... Usually Word) (Copy and paste not an option as it loses the formatting details.) 2) RTF output from the RISC OS version of OvPro is a pointless exercise, as when loaded into Word nothing displays until Formatting is cleared for that document, in which case, not much point in having it RTF in the first place as everything except the text is lost. 3) Impression Publisher outputs RTF that *can* be loaded into Word, it displays and the formatting is preserved. Problem is, I haven't use Publisher since Beebug officially launched Ovn Pro, so all my documents are in OvPro files. The absolute least of my requirements is to output OvPro as RTF and have it load into Word with the formatting intact. Anyone have a solution please? Thanks Dave PS: All my document are in OvPro form so please *don't* mention that RISC OS Word processor. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 31 20:56:39 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SE4Jl-1wGGPo-03-AeU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:56:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SE4Jl-1wGGPo-03-AeU; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:50:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SE4Jl-1wGGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:50:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SE4JX-0005QC-Rq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:50:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7E22EBA63F; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:45:02 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333223102; bh=qBsJgwa/OteQqUmqJO2AcWmbUHKEvsbND2rPdFHw PE8=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=uDgR3roDZhBeDu0c4udrvboLJy3UbdUTgMTqULSz LRWLVFIlLsTY/B9Ic4kiD2WNVSvo4A0GTdQOgxQmwZq6tDF7NARlomWUDyL0FmzwrJJ FX3Z/jHceZS7QM8b/2g7A9mIvJJf3aiipSnE/FB0/8pN6GIKx7vabdWm3mcO4yWI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8wXN6+GUhzF7; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB114EAE9DD; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:44:48 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333223101; bh=qBsJgwa/OteQqUmqJO2AcWmbUHKEvsbND2rPdFHw PE8=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender:Reply-To: List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner: List-post:List-archive; b=hosA6EMkP5ICd0aADYxkY9fU9dT8Irv8IRkN1yjP P3NPTwkYluPNq9qRj+ZlWXkQnhzB6UgRYMnI9aM0IZiz9xNgzvhsi6G0X9IGmpAB2K0 FNxeqOTlDAX4x0NxRW/IRXUgJ4G3ZvkSl72vo4n3gRmbPof+GE4MBdK8Ihcg1sJ0= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:44:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC5D4EAE872 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:44:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HvmjJclqHK2V for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.netweaver.net (smtp.netweaver.net [78.129.250.63]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id C4AD3EB8024 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31515 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2012 19:47:34 -0000 Received: from 213-152-32-201.dsl.eclipse.net.uk (HELO ?192.168.1.69?) (martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk@213.152.32.201) by smtp.netweaver.net with SMTP; 31 Mar 2012 19:47:34 -0000 Message-ID: <4F775E94.8050404@eclipse.co.uk> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:44:20 +0100 From: Martin Longley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1116 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mlongley@eclipse.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 31/03/2012 19:56, Dave Symes wrote: > Advance warning... Despite liking OvPro very much, I'm going to have a > moan. > > I use OvPro on both RISC OS and Windows quite a lot, but I'm being caused > a great deal of annoyance with its failing. > > 1) Ovpro for Windows cannot output RTF, so stuffed if you have to put a > document in something else for customers... Usually Word) > (Copy and paste not an option as it loses the formatting details.) > > Hi I use OvPro for Windows to produce commercial quotes. I send them as pdf produced by CutePDF or similar. Martin Longley To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 31 21:11:39 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SE4bT-2ebknw-02-AMm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 21:11:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SE4bT-2ebknw-02-AMm; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:08:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SE4bT-2ebknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:08:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SE4bL-0004C0-W8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:08:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DF5AEB98B8; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:08:42 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333224522; bh=9hUM1OEe1UeBChI+/F7FVKb98aXkPWzs3ti6w2Hk 88I=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=lm6SMB lEJ7rDP4Xffb5vEmM8KDEb209R3PDpW5Nm7zWQVM9XF8pWjHe6kanmqL8jjJc06GmUR Y9wyRwif1t+FnkGsj8NHcWq23pCVzwCccO3aCvrCotQY/r9nhIHp/H+Vz8OCsjLxrBH Ioh2LYW7e6ZNTzfhbG1zW9arVXzRDx8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3PR4A4-YGyCg; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9004EB8CBD; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:08:28 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333224521; bh=9hUM1OEe1UeBChI+/F7FVKb98aXkPWzs3ti6w2Hk 88I=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=cYJpXQ tEGgUJs1weff9FF/dp4FFtGK2P97k8McIZ4X0rCkDbz3AwGwmsK7ol1izjkwUqWxDt1 qbYmlmQfv62fyN9JHKv3/gX+eoH6W+Y65fMBa4N+7haETSH1yehwwj03StFveRnLBCK jA12wNVs4KDoV5mUoYO0W3q9RpNlRjk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:08:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 728D2EB64B3 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:08:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NKw3EagE4r2A for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56431EB5A79 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.100.8]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2VK8GFU027607 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 21:08:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 21:07:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Message-ID: <52793c7cebdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4F775E94.8050404@eclipse.co.uk> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <4F775E94.8050404@eclipse.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1117 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <4F775E94.8050404@eclipse.co.uk>, Martin Longley wrote: > On 31/03/2012 19:56, Dave Symes wrote: > > Advance warning... Despite liking OvPro very much, I'm going to have a > > moan. > > > > I use OvPro on both RISC OS and Windows quite a lot, but I'm being caused > > a great deal of annoyance with its failing. > > > > 1) Ovpro for Windows cannot output RTF, so stuffed if you have to put a > > document in something else for customers... Usually Word) > > (Copy and paste not an option as it loses the formatting details.) > > > > > Hi > I use OvPro for Windows to produce commercial quotes. I send them as pdf > produced by CutePDF or similar. > Martin Longley Indeedy, unfortunately two problems with that. 1) Customers insist on Word documents. (Customers get what they want or will probably no longer be customers) 2) Something else I sometimes have to do with the document doesn't work with a PDF. 3) ATM. As an aside as PDF is not... (see above) I have an irresolvable problem on the PC in that No virtual printer will install a driver on the PC. I have a thread in a.a.bugs on that subject. Thanks for the thought though. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 31 21:56:41 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SE5Dv-3Rrknw-06-9kK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 21:56:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SE5Dv-3Rrknw-06-9kK; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:48:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SE5Dv-3Rrknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:48:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SE5Dk-0003LQ-Pp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:48:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0418BEBA784; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:48:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333226902; bh=vAqi3Ie0N3oHM5LY9aVyX663o5lO8QyDj/zUhWvB PBQ=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=u6c5xNJsqhuX0rDGz6i4usOkPglJDHRcQYJgLJRM339kNFM6IB 8JCBbh02Q+B/gGB9DvVw/g5dkItNU1ViJkpI9hA+VMBnhi+LpK/tUrNzyiCRljuCB86 OhtkYy6lvtE3zk2sow5XMG+m3SRRr6T+meo9UsWvL4FHMOShkx5Gq0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CWhhTjq24Jwf; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EF21EB4693; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:48:08 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333226900; bh=vAqi3Ie0N3oHM5LY9aVyX663o5lO8QyDj/zUhWvB PBQ=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Myw3MGEM+68+G+uaJX+vbHfuZE023SI9yoWEemy1sp45QVaoig 4zHjSCvovNoq+NVWPCXNVm1K9Y5deQQC3BNEkWK+eDP0T8uZaLpBWeyE/WAOXJLOEud itrHtXwSwWufRVUpu6rd/3rz3JjgC958t480ey73Mr/AiXBaxHeVjE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:48:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF3A3EB8B8D for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:48:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ivtroetc9Jvn for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5609AEB4693 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from armini.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-212-8.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.212.8]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2VKlwsL028639 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2012 21:47:58 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 21:47:11 +0100 Message-ID: <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1118 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 31 Mar 2012 Dave Symes wrote: > Advance warning... Despite liking OvPro very much, I'm going to have a > moan. > I use OvPro on both RISC OS and Windows quite a lot, but I'm being caused > a great deal of annoyance with its failing. > 1) Ovpro for Windows cannot output RTF, so stuffed if you have to put a > document in something else for customers... Usually Word) > (Copy and paste not an option as it loses the formatting details.) > 2) RTF output from the RISC OS version of OvPro is a pointless exercise, > as when loaded into Word nothing displays until Formatting is cleared for > that document, in which case, not much point in having it RTF in the first > place as everything except the text is lost. [snip] Unfortunately MakeRTF, which Dave is no doubt using to produce RTF files from OPro, was never finished. David Breakwell, who wrote it, left the RISC OS scene, and I don't think he's been heard of again. If any programmer (not me, by a long chalk!) would like to develop it that would be great. but I don't think that will happen. For a start, OPro is frame-based, and I don't think RTF , or certainly Word, have any concept of frames. :-( With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Hf \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ __ __ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 12:43:38 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SE97e-3cUVbs-02-EN7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:43:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SE97e-3cUVbs-02-EN7; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 00:58:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SE97e-3cUVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 00:58:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SE97U-0005h1-2R for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 00:58:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C7A3EB569D; 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Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 01:53:26 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.68.5.3631 (Qt/4.7.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1119 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Dave Symes wrote: > Anyone have a solution please? No, but it's a little unfair to criticise OP, which isn't a word processor, for its inability to generate files that can be loaded into a wp. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 12:43:54 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEFGV-3LT000-02-Gkm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:43:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEFGV-3LT000-02-Gkm; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 07:31:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEFGV-3LT000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 07:31:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEFGQ-0004fY-8z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 07:31:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5EE2EB5F58; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 03:31:48 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333265508; bh=YqQ7a6SGlVoIBGIvmY/QU0VhuV2s5NuWktfLBVwl WJw=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=tQ+pLd0zUX1NljaIuhcPVp9K3YgQq7VR4dLtJGyyjAbG13wSfs CaMyo7eVMemBhmMoQJ/PDGrBcKISp3+DIlZv/cKN8033copbeH6gvJ7A0D9MBZ3UmQo E71NAHeILAcjLZFHCsdRzJUkAj0TehkhZkqzSirIDpP26/P1LTKWh0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xErk67bV3Xrl; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 03:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5613FEB5289; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 03:31:35 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333265508; bh=YqQ7a6SGlVoIBGIvmY/QU0VhuV2s5NuWktfLBVwl WJw=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=tQ+pLd0zUX1NljaIuhcPVp9K3YgQq7VR4dLtJGyyjAbG13wSfs CaMyo7eVMemBhmMoQJ/PDGrBcKISp3+DIlZv/cKN8033copbeH6gvJ7A0D9MBZ3UmQo E71NAHeILAcjLZFHCsdRzJUkAj0TehkhZkqzSirIDpP26/P1LTKWh0= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Apr 2012 03:31:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28E43EB8F65 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 03:31:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eScOU3B7vDip for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 03:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6526EEB5289 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 03:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.124.204]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q317VMqs032125 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 08:31:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 08:11:51 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] The failings of OvPro Message-ID: <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1120 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young wrote: > On 31 Mar 2012 Dave Symes wrote: > > Advance warning... Despite liking OvPro very much, I'm going to have a > > moan. > > I use OvPro on both RISC OS and Windows quite a lot, but I'm being > > caused a great deal of annoyance with its failing. > > 1) Ovpro for Windows cannot output RTF, so stuffed if you have to put > > a document in something else for customers... Usually Word) (Copy and > > paste not an option as it loses the formatting details.) > > 2) RTF output from the RISC OS version of OvPro is a pointless > > exercise, as when loaded into Word nothing displays until Formatting > > is cleared for that document, in which case, not much point in having > > it RTF in the first place as everything except the text is lost. > [snip] > Unfortunately MakeRTF, which Dave is no doubt using to produce RTF > files from OPro, was never finished. David Breakwell, who wrote it, > left the RISC OS scene, and I don't think he's been heard of again. If > any programmer (not me, by a long chalk!) would like to develop it > that would be great. but I don't think that will happen. For a start, > OPro is frame-based, and I don't think RTF , or certainly Word, have > any concept of frames. :-( > With best wishes, > Peter. Mmnn! I think we are getting side tracked by the frame concept. I'm not talking about complex documents with frames and illos all over the place... I'm not using Make RTF, I am using TransRTF, not that it makes any difference to the invisible file put into Word. Impression publisher, which is also Frame and Style based, makes a reasonable job of creating an RTF file that will load directly into Word and requires very little if any editing at all. It will also load correctly into AbiWord. Ovation Pro creates a reasonably okay RTF document that'll even load into ImpPublisher and display, and will load into Word, but will not display until all formatting is removed. It will also load into AbiWord but the formatting is not correct. So with these particular documents, it's nothing to do with frames, it's to do with the RTF output from OvPro. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 12:43:55 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEFGY-2xRVbs-07-Gkj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:43:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEFGY-2xRVbs-07-Gkj; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 07:31:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEFGY-2xRVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 07:31:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEFGU-0003uC-0p for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 07:31:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C328AEBA0F6; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 03:31:49 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333265509; bh=57LBfd7XQkMbwmsE4PL+Yq8mWObuyPMwDm2yctgQ QTc=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=xpZVoV sCltqeqZp2nrXxThQ31sUAUKYLpZWNQNxuug7hTU/sYfVKyAA1cPlUAdOtrpC7rKBay Od2f4Xvb+xf0R8eAJusT3ZX3xMEEZPe8wpkfd0MSW1R0365tlp9XELNevqBqgn8SDT8 r0jCGtMmT1cNTOdDsBGpOhHJKAnwNY0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VKwyX4CVV2Ek; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 03:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4170EB5EB3; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 03:31:35 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333265508; bh=57LBfd7XQkMbwmsE4PL+Yq8mWObuyPMwDm2yctgQ QTc=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=lqk+o9 z1wcxOyBw1b5oWdb22ReSVmvL4MTcQ+o+Zc6czNo3GhxPdovJ1N6Djmo828h8eIV+Lg HczwVN4elY1fNyT/YwMMazu4ens4rK30uTiI/5dIkMYWC/HzYFYGQusyLWzqFKUnxMT s41Y8N+vzgb893zC79IqYuWJLCSBx/0= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Apr 2012 03:31:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C78FEB9620 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 03:31:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hAwNTR2Sz2ZN for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 03:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27AC1EB5EB3 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 03:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.124.204]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q317VMqu032125 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 08:31:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 08:30:31 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Message-ID: <52797b0324dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1121 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > > Anyone have a solution please? > No, but it's a little unfair to criticise OP, which isn't a word > processor, for its inability to generate files that can be loaded into a > wp. Not so Jeremy. Aside from my notes in reply to Peter... Impression Publisher is a Frame and Style based app, yet it manages to create reasonable RTF output that can load and display in Word. OvPro in itself is a most excellent app, but the peripheral things that would make this RISC OS world app usable on both the OS platforms it now inhabits is missing, like satisfactory RTF generation. Tarnations, the Win version of OvPro can't even generate RTF at all. Yes there is a TransRTF.exe in the Filters directory, but it doesn't do anything. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 12:43:58 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEGq0-1mqGPo-05-FBH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:43:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEGq0-1mqGPo-05-FBH; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 09:12:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEGq0-1mqGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 09:12:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEGpw-0005gA-Tf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 09:12:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5787DEBA9C7; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 05:12:34 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333271554; bh=8v8mIA4zAVmLZ1tMPZ+XKmp8I5oJr5P11WII+HYo Ing=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=IHb0tt8nOKYriDfh01lGSpql0CeBrdg+ulyCpRp2mxIgw50Q1z gkwQS+Fvwng3PPbycUhRAp3JP5BsMvmRvQXL3nJ4x3gHEVTb9de4NTh0wHv8MvNQBBH X+FY8U8B0ISq4gF6245GBY/jwVGawJHBuW7eDOiLdVaFA5x61bfTAM= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0FKvfJqIrW86; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 05:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1906CEBA233; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 05:12:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333271553; bh=8v8mIA4zAVmLZ1tMPZ+XKmp8I5oJr5P11WII+HYo Ing=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=f0E9NBi12M3UWK44RuLQo5NrljQ32LMYOLQcYGBlZDD9miA0Og iIH/sC6xowwJnfx0AdUQ2ZWXQYY1RUS9YmpL6sAtJpTJV3smkWPSifvikFNi3RTAcUi kviunNCUrIPs7SUk+yEvTxEtm1pLgmBWlkZcT0ZsyR7NiBvk+3zUQs= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Apr 2012 05:12:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1691EBA9B2 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 05:12:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KCrM6L-H2cH9 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 05:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2AAB5EBA233 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 05:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from armini.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-212-8.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.212.8]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q319C8xw002279 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 10:12:09 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro To: From: Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 10:11:47 +0100 Message-ID: <9148847952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1122 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 1 Apr 2012 Dave Symes wrote: [snip] > Mmnn! I think we are getting side tracked by the frame concept. > I'm not talking about complex documents with frames and illos all over the > place... > I'm not using Make RTF, I am using TransRTF, not that it makes any > difference to the invisible file put into Word. Ah, I've been educated, thanks. I had thought that TransRTF was an RTF importer, but I just RTFM and I see it's an exporter as well, but using the dreaded command line. I must have a play with it when I get a round tuit. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Hf \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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([80.229.143.2]) by avasout06 with smtp id sZJH1i00303K0D401ZJJGB; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 10:18:19 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=KqrPKBqN c=1 sm=1 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:17 a=QGUEKgwgM5kA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=wo3wViLBGrx04GAsjU8A:9 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=rF1XFgFg4DUYKv5o:21 a=2HRAcbgLre_c6f6i:21 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:117 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 10:17:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Message-ID: <527984d231chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <52797b0324dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <52797b0324dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1124 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <52797b0324dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > Yes there is a TransRTF.exe in the Filters directory, but it > doesn't do anything. Are you sure? Have you tried importing an RTF file *into* Ovation Pro? -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 12:44:10 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEI96-1bT000-03-DsB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:44:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEI96-1bT000-03-DsB; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 10:36:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEI96-1bT000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 10:36:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEI94-0001qS-Ct for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 10:36:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52F33EBAAD5; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:24 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333276584; bh=ilyH2R0PZMoRGdVntVJ2r3+UPPr7zbTKbk/uJY7s JLU=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=WsdV4htpFUw05sJjRfkx5CZzG75+E4bLcsAMq5oiEv5sqywPTo IzpSYbjoflMo/imQFWMar9p/8SEuV527eZC4fc1NdI/D7ANCUimxzaB8J0ZLR4S7w3Y JYA1IVdmlKSL/htVhVIsp3XRnPqN0ZuXX5lQHCtcxoUfAJF/bVsDbw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id caEHHFCmE6fL; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0954EBAA21; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:10 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333276583; bh=ilyH2R0PZMoRGdVntVJ2r3+UPPr7zbTKbk/uJY7s JLU=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=hgxp+bt/AqYVzEn13jmNxO5SdQknDKZAB5zojb7rqwx4rbmL2h /7EekqMiah0in9xYftNq9SML1CXVy7DuYDxj+5Fp3qdyql6bwFp6XyjRK7+T9K+ytdW Y9rjsXdcm7+URiUblk3fRmGLzJRgVBJWGNpZEGUxOvLDLfmajuJlhM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Apr 2012 06:36:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C8D8EBAAD5 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oVEIZyDofE5S for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EBE96EBAA21 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 06:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from armini.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-212-8.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.212.8]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q31AZx77004566 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:36:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro To: From: Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:34:53 +0100 Message-ID: <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1125 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 1 Apr 2012 Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: >> I'm not using Make RTF, I am using TransRTF > I was under the impression that TransRTF is for importing RTF files > *into* Ovation Pro, not for the reverse process. Yes, so was I; see my other post, but the Help file says otherwise. I've just been doing some experimenting. I can use it in a TaskWindow to export an RTF file from OPro (ARMini RISC OS 5.18). It emerges typed as Data, so I changed that to RTF. I tried importing it into LibreOffice in Windows, into EasiWriter and into RISC OS OPro, and in each case I got the raw text of the RTF file rather than a proper document. It would seem then that it's not much use as a PDF exporter! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Hf \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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([80.229.143.2]) by avasout06 with smtp id sbKJ1i00403K0D401bKKtK; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 12:19:19 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=KqrPKBqN c=1 sm=1 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:17 a=QGUEKgwgM5kA:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=6dfbURujoiKXz9Wbeb0A:9 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=k0EibHPFSDCQwWcT:21 a=JNQWg8AePGyhqb4a:21 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:117 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 12:18:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Message-ID: <52798fe919chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1126 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young wrote: > Yes, so was I; see my other post, but the Help file says otherwise. Interesting - what version is that. I cannot see any mention of output in the version I have - indeed, the small help file actually mentions MakeRTF as an outputter of RTF. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 12:58:26 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEJHn-3lW000-07-CjU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:58:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEJHn-3lW000-07-CjU; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:49:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEJHn-3lW000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:49:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEJHj-0006iA-BA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:49:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D376EBAB4A; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:49:25 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333280965; bh=2zz2GkEtIluxGh/Krqi7Qv66UAFB4gahMUdf6WOF zZY=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=uWjbprV+1gmLM+hE1WICpt/5WvF+s1XcAxTGSQcareC1vcEzQh dhucv5x0vnSiOA3KtuqnkeBi9DaLe85OxwAyiKDFhia2S/6YanF6D9Y5qgoWGrgK+YQ YpVTSRXVSvxnvz6vZzK/hSFY6sK94LNImy9o9WuIpzjkC+s/P0tNOA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VxUh76wDajV2; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 256A0EBA688; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:49:12 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333280964; bh=2zz2GkEtIluxGh/Krqi7Qv66UAFB4gahMUdf6WOF zZY=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=K54sMs/+nVM0NM1zSFln2gmO1J/iSwQa9XUq7/65PMCBIQixYc 1Vu48cOp0Ju8hyD89V9ZMKKZcP6e+PU/9OgeItahGsVAE7Ns/2GjRqtUAmWoPZhGPh9 VSNDXLHu/Dw6CeAcwZljvGEhPKu9dwZSc5//Idl2O/w7UEBpRrXt+8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Apr 2012 07:49:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECB80EBAB2F for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:49:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dAdEhvbdVXpS for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65A89EBA688 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from armini.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-212-8.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.212.8]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q31Bn0Rv006549 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:49:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro To: From: Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 12:48:53 +0100 Message-ID: <9daa927952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <52798fe919chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <52798fe919chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1127 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 1 Apr 2012 Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, > Peter Young wrote: >> Yes, so was I; see my other post, but the Help file says otherwise. > Interesting - what version is that. I cannot see any mention of > output in the version I have - indeed, the small help file actually > mentions MakeRTF as an outputter of RTF. Version 2.02 here, which is the one on David's website. From the Help file: To use TransRTF from the command line !TransRTF must have been seen by the filer. Then simply use the following syntax: TransRTF:!Convert and a DDL file should be produced. This is not the recommended way of converting Rich Text files but can be useful to see what is being put into the output file. I initially typed the output file as RTF, but correctly typing it as a DDL file doesn't make it work any better, I'm afraid, and I wouldn't know how to import that file into a Windows program. I suspect I'm doing something wrong somewhere. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Hf \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ __ __ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 12:58:26 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEJJC-2c8Vbs-08-Ci5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:58:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEJJC-2c8Vbs-08-Ci5; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:50:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEJJC-2c8Vbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:50:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEJJ7-0006mC-Jh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:50:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26B38EBABEB; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:50:49 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333281049; bh=0i9m5Y4OMeSslGmfSwR8EimwFv9UnZ4xTckKSBz9 YSo=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=TH9PJH Qt5412yP5IBDhHlZcMfFUuO2xGsvrIhH0VP7TmHyjUy4Gp/evkJvloX1wrfdr6FRwPb dzRSEFswri/+E4deE9PtkQ+FdgM4HpAXjqR8psN+zdynTxFLcRdvtfVAJ13RvLRnxXX V7Xb4o7EhKZpN/eYl8TehsUo+3vf46o= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kYA57Y-CYFsb; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CBFFEBAB51; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:50:34 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333281047; bh=0i9m5Y4OMeSslGmfSwR8EimwFv9UnZ4xTckKSBz9 YSo=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=C3eelX ZpuIbvm8XNiGVTv6r2lNRMfZTFTeG8XCygC3g5q9eMqnesbNDaLu/ySJevWBWJPj4gU U/ABOxa6SX58BRpXnaz5OozEhnhff1AVVufGKfoXyi78V4MTxwojGUk13fbKS6HylR1 r34InQV5ptQaLvPO0HoPrkKmUMNgGa4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Apr 2012 07:50:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7060FEBAB70 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:50:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MBERhB6PR2jV for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A408EBAB51 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.36.184]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q31BoK6Q006647 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:50:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 12:49:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Message-ID: <527992be48dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <527984d231chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <52797b0324dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984d231chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1129 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <527984d231chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <52797b0324dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > Yes there is a TransRTF.exe in the Filters directory, but it > > doesn't do anything. > Are you sure? Have you tried importing an RTF file *into* Ovation Pro? Oh yes, I've reinstalled the filter set, I've even double clicked the TransRTF.exe it still will not import an RTF correctly. Sure the file will go in, but in the raw with a lot of stuff and {{ }} Of course, it doesn't really matter as that's not what I need, I need something to Output/Export from OvPro as RTF and in a form that's usable on the PC. If I was able to code or write scripts I'd do it, but my skill set is elsewhere. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 12:58:27 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEJJG-3qJ000-04-Ci1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:58:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEJJG-3qJ000-04-Ci1; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:51:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEJJG-3qJ000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:51:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEJJ2-00070g-IZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:51:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6FC1EBABBA; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:50:46 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333281046; bh=t4/0gN9ovX5yHps/+D69wyeLjrv3yROUZAY+jz// w54=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=vOIhiU BCjPlg6IT9dBRY2Vbgjd8/8uIslGOhWgAIiKPRFPZdh9gbdYJ3yBS+z73L4aujIZv36 hpmXTQLRAoSA4XrvB11OmEL63tNnxNff+tP9mBAmkxPpV82y7Sp8Na3FslSlj6zdi1O Al7U+B5soVA3TMIJmhfd6vv/ugm+/+k= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VRjGLBsI764O; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B896EBA688; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:50:33 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333281045; bh=t4/0gN9ovX5yHps/+D69wyeLjrv3yROUZAY+jz// w54=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=h3LEfM aU5hGd4qYXOdKsjxGAU/2HBt3a+CAdl1l9JuyOk8E7vNq/TeYPIk50o+0hU9AkvMMgV I0R4YDu0EwuU08ofrqus1r71N6QEX1DU/qoSRT720fyjlslqn/hFcL/1MZmbk9BklQN ZzchL2lCnpNiMVluHqost6xLlzwZYnQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Apr 2012 07:50:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13AB8EBAB4A for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:50:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LOOB77s+Emdk for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A09DFEBA688 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.36.184]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q31BoK6O006647 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:50:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 12:41:31 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Message-ID: <527991fdf1dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1128 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young wrote: > On 1 Apr 2012 Chris Johnson wrote: > > In article <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk>, > > Dave Symes wrote: > >> I'm not using Make RTF, I am using TransRTF > > I was under the impression that TransRTF is for importing RTF files > > *into* Ovation Pro, not for the reverse process. > Yes, so was I; see my other post, but the Help file says otherwise. > I've just been doing some experimenting. I can use it in a TaskWindow > to export an RTF file from OPro (ARMini RISC OS 5.18). It emerges > typed as Data, so I changed that to RTF. I tried importing it into > LibreOffice in Windows, into EasiWriter and into RISC OS OPro, and in > each case I got the raw text of the RTF file rather than a proper > document. It would seem then that it's not much use as a PDF exporter! > With best wishes, > Peter. Blimey! Peter... After all that, I'm seriously confused so I'm going to sperment. RISC OS: OvPro 2.77s 27 May 2011. --------------------------------- The Save F3 has an RTF radio button. When I activate it, it does indeed save an RTF file. !MakeRTF is somewhere in a sub directory, and is neither seen nor run Get a small OvPro doc on screen, Save as the RTF. It does indeedy Save out as an RTF. I've taken !MakeRTF and moved it somewhere else in another sub, sub directory. I shall now reboot the computer and see... Well, use my hankie as a bum wipe, you are korrekt. Hangonamon while I do a *Show Whoops! there's a copy inside OvPro Applets. So apologies chaps, particularly Peter, yes indeed, !MakeRTF is doing the stuff here. ************************* Interesting aside, everytime I make an RTF out from Ovation Pro Reporter goes on the blink and only displays an empty Reporter window. Nothing that happens on the computer thereafter is shown in the Reporter window until I Clear it from the Menu. ************************* Mnnn! Back to the main plot. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 12:58:27 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEJMp-2Z6Vbs-06-CeS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:58:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEJMp-2Z6Vbs-06-CeS; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:54:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEJMp-2Z6Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:54:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEJMo-0005Bj-PH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:54:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63AC5EB82D6; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:54:34 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333281274; bh=TCW6sbQbMRJjQk3Mw4Jm6t4jrhhMna+Tt/7CA6Pa lLA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=CAKoGxGyyDIFu5VO0HEPfbsQ/wmM9lZOl3DOcWsvmsBdI64ivQ sri2dBPIlGgiT2aSjccuKCw2kXa7OfCs1ucSvcfJ5QaL1ZR6VgiUGtylXpm4K8wjgGo q6/DZ2kr3Yue2np4g+l7EIIHiRwDKbPDfOqRp53etdkw820Vxun1mo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H5Q-uLRW9vUA; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B3D2EB8AC1; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:54:21 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333281273; bh=TCW6sbQbMRJjQk3Mw4Jm6t4jrhhMna+Tt/7CA6Pa lLA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=E/Ni5CBOI3Vw4NMFPIQXs3KY90+kANrlaU/XnW0zB86uhCaHdF C/9Y7FhTTOmRhbID0RcHedzc2i/XwqnHvfetZ5Z2vTV5i9wy7PbTeYOgXk/BmPAn4Tn Gg0bI567BVp1hxJosAr2FnsxSmz9I5cOqPpBlqMnt5aomlhIKltF9c= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Apr 2012 07:54:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12442EB8ED4 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:54:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RTCjDlHIpALy for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E777EB8AC1 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SEJMR-00002p-h1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:54:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:52:50 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <52798fe919chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <52798fe919chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1130 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, Joining in this discussion... As far as I know, TransRTF is RTF import (to OP), it does a conversion RTF to Ovation Pro DDL, and as with all the 'trans loaders' it is a command line program which is usually called by Ovation Pro. Exporting RTF is what MakeRTF does. As to Dave's original point, I've very sorry. Word or RTF export is possible, but would always come a cropper over things OP can do that Word etc. can't. It just never got done. That was a big failing, the program would have been much more successful had we done MS Word support at the time Techwriter did it - we spent our time doing other less important things. Third parties could have written these filters, but presumably decided they were not commercially viable. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 12:58:27 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEJNM-3x7000-04-Cdv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:58:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEJNM-3x7000-04-Cdv; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:55:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEJNM-3x7000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:55:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEJNI-0004NT-TJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:55:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A73BEBAB9F; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:55:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333281309; bh=SjjnA7gBVod1qRewfxmZN/okKa6MIO2M0VqKPFVF tII=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=CObtbSmNFvDyTS+rsF0dNdM7p+3kC9oLHdAUsTD5GrVrGK4gme zP69a9rZST7DWkqn/+tFpwLPah317+HnXFpduFvVvMdWm7Rwutk64EU4+VySiTzJvXv hmqM/UqGO/cEBjrO76KzbEoZifN7qzPwi21rhZql3nxOA63jZZVt9c= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6RjI2nXxfeSS; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4023DEBAB35; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:54:56 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333281308; bh=SjjnA7gBVod1qRewfxmZN/okKa6MIO2M0VqKPFVF tII=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=ditOZ62Z7dlINCQpgDnr7LOF+wISNAHuxAaZRQ+QlGbLKcSwEG ATwaaiHCk23sa6Gr5q3K2voKMlPzpkJ5ALh1wblxEJxIF6bSQoAxtTDG4yGpRe+Uorq 98DF5iNX3ig8qCEmn8c81SRmpD3ysV0eUNUpGiBdJ7nW/25E47qs2A= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Apr 2012 07:54:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18588EBAB3E for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:54:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zQ3Zj9gyB4iz for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB1EEEBAB35 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SEJN0-0000kV-lc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:54:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 12:53:52 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <52798fe919chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <52798fe919chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1131 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Bounced message from Martin Devon > PS: All my document are in OvPro form so please *don't* mention that > RISC OS Word processor. There's a fundamental fallacy in this request - even as taught as GCSE, a user should choose the most appropriate software for the task in hand. While there is some overlap in functionality between OPro and Word at a basic level, they are at root intended for different purposes. I'll leave it there.. 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Peter... > After all that, I'm seriously confused so I'm going to sperment. > RISC OS: OvPro 2.77s 27 May 2011. > --------------------------------- > The Save F3 has an RTF radio button. > When I activate it, it does indeed save an RTF file. > !MakeRTF is somewhere in a sub directory, and is neither seen nor run > Get a small OvPro doc on screen, Save as the RTF. > It does indeedy Save out as an RTF. > I've taken !MakeRTF and moved it somewhere else in another sub, sub > directory. > I shall now reboot the computer and see... > Well, use my hankie as a bum wipe, you are korrekt. > Hangonamon while I do a *Show Hey! I got something right at last :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Hf \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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([80.229.143.2]) by avasout06 with smtp id sd7F1i00503K0D401d7GXx; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 14:07:16 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=KqrPKBqN c=1 sm=1 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:17 a=QGUEKgwgM5kA:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=6dfbURujoiKXz9Wbeb0A:9 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=xVyb6hpkqVgLUqMG:21 a=hO2zmQidpxWn2wCo:21 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:117 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 14:06:54 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Message-ID: <527999cf44chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <9daa927952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <52798fe919chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <9daa927952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1133 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <9daa927952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young wrote: > To use TransRTF from the command line !TransRTF must have been seen by > the filer. Then simply use the following syntax: > TransRTF:!Convert > and a DDL file should be produced. Yes - but as the last line above says, 'and a DDL file should be produced'. Surely, that is starting with RTF and converting to DDL - i.e. importing RTF. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 14:28:29 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEKdn-21Wknw-05-BNU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:28:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEKdn-21Wknw-05-BNU; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:16:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEKdn-21Wknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:16:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEKdl-0000AS-SW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:16:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D8E9EBAA9F; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 09:16:16 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333286176; bh=OgnY1TZkVb7F61zB9dagFOIP9M+K3cbAoFjHmINc 03I=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=jLUbtc3uBV3kAqeoXYczod/bGmSmScLH6MkRI/RCVeRHHy5eg/ oSH78tcya0CFoPwBvGavl9ZQvv3WFQC1wc3NoLuYwDD+0t0+8ibgRW1uUjXzZWkPV5n 6vE+tQ52VGFkmYrXahNheyIBro1UYNAvvdGrBmwyiJtTAeST/0MSIE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GewWQK463wnj; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 09:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89389EBA8D7; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 09:16:02 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333286175; bh=OgnY1TZkVb7F61zB9dagFOIP9M+K3cbAoFjHmINc 03I=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=cC5ZNzQaFk2OGoJnhS726MH0452SDAMz6wXxpj4hXCrK3ldB0x 9lOxr+qxXtP7lZNv6IBx9coPNe0SIgi+010maE3Mt/6mv/Xjx3u3nkfRIzo4l/jKXJD nR0tOcRApUeOe9bZ/6LbdTyHUAyTmxttS6SUXuTQWgyuLsv8KhGKh8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Apr 2012 09:16:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A816EBA93E for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 09:16:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DfdDMfklOZ5p for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 09:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAC13EBA8D7 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 09:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from armini.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-212-8.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.212.8]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q31DFfDQ008890 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:15:44 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro To: From: Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 14:15:24 +0100 Message-ID: <3b969a7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <52798fe919chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <9daa927952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <527999cf44chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <527999cf44chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1134 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 1 Apr 2012 Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <9daa927952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, > Peter Young wrote: >> To use TransRTF from the command line !TransRTF must have been seen by >> the filer. Then simply use the following syntax: >> TransRTF:!Convert >> and a DDL file should be produced. > Yes - but as the last line above says, 'and a DDL file should be > produced'. Surely, that is starting with RTF and converting to DDL - > i.e. importing RTF. Yes, I see now! Thanks. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Hf \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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I'll > leave it there.. > Martin There is no fundamental fallacy (Transparent underpants). (Ph) You almost answer the question yourself... "a user should choose the most appropriate software for the task in hand." I have in my possession a number of purchased applications that are best suited for *MY* major requirements. That RISCOS WP does not figure in the equation, sure it can output in an MS Word file format, but that is the *most* least of my requirements in this respect, so I could not justify the cost of purchasing it, no more than I could justify the cost of purchasing ArtWorks, as good a piece of kit as AW is. Years ago, all my private and business documents were created in the Impression series of apps, Junior then Style then Publisher. Then along came OvPro written by Mr P., and released by Beebug, at that point all relevant document templates, private and business were converted (Manually in those days... No auto Publisher converter then) to Ovation Pro. Ovation Pro suits my requirements for 90% of the stuff I do, I would like it to be able to do that last 10 percent. So apart from converting an OvPro document to a Word document, I would have absolutely no use what-so-ever for That WP. Can That WP import an OvPro document BTW? Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 14:43:31 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEL1U-1AUGPo-02-Azn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:43:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEL1U-1AUGPo-02-Azn; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:40:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEL1U-1AUGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:40:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEL1P-0005FY-Cx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:40:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96CC0EBAC56; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 09:40:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333287638; bh=MPyP77ymm4OotsyUgYX4S2WOoDkr1hDliK0I20ur TaI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=BZhBPf yzceNIRVampvEiHIDC50GBg80OxxdNmclf68miNQvm/6rcYolYjWseEJrMnTN64OUCt bMRdtFMvpJxetlhjPAOAKkrS1Gk6P5+gO3PhnALY0B7XgWoJDS+l2CTpJ1OTyG3fPId 2uIod7TjPF6TeTAyKY0VQ2N70P/J60Q= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fNwhvPvV4nj3; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 09:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3F70EBABE1; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 09:40:23 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333287636; bh=MPyP77ymm4OotsyUgYX4S2WOoDkr1hDliK0I20ur TaI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=hDlvJo T2NHrJXebDMdo6NlhcHqUa778qWNV6Wm6299MxUYH8C1SFnzbevkfaDQR1sSs5ekL7U SHfOX1RQVCPGcB5cmUy/cTKRodkoVzTTivjeq0wXF9OHZuDShIC+qA+WfOe7KdhwZPY qFn9it881pERrn0It89pHJ/g7+g7+Ew= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Apr 2012 09:40:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E43BEBAC41 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 09:40:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4emnQxAVRuxR for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 09:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 418A3EBABE1 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 09:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.36.184]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q31De8um009543 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:40:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 14:39:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Message-ID: <52799ccd2adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <52798fe919chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1136 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: [Snippy] > Word or RTF export is possible, but would always come a cropper over > things OP can do that Word etc. can't. It just never got done. That was > a big failing, the program would have been much more successful had we > done MS Word support at the time Techwriter did it - we spent our time > doing other less important things. I guess this would be true of many things, in that often with filters/converters, they have a reasonable go at the job, but often can't do the full thing... Which is understandable, particularly as Word is such a moving target, but a basic RTF converter should be possible. > Third parties could have written these filters, but presumably decided > they were not commercially viable. Mnn! I don't know if any others have a use for a workable RTF export/converter, but on a personal note, I wouldn't expect it to be available for nothing. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 16:13:30 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEMQU-0eeVbs-07-9an.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:13:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEMQU-0eeVbs-07-9an; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:10:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEMQU-0eeVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:10:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEMQS-0002a8-KR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:10:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9164BEBAD01; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:10:38 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333293038; bh=uxppc/IQv9jBRooZPytk468tVD4gT9yxGq1Rv8NQ cQA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=ohUYv9 bOz0ahOcyKfWjCE7h93bBbcs5Dk5xBzr0Yk68TFvuQjRslRfX1+Lw6ykrURa8q6rI/C DXbApRFpo0SwLykh6dajna7o//1pTCCojLxX6z7bA/XqLLXaFJrp66f+YuLEJJ5PAM0 hRJkuHkPui9zAzA+Pd1j/ZgHJnTYRRE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K454UuE56xzZ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B6D7EB413E; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:10:25 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333293037; bh=uxppc/IQv9jBRooZPytk468tVD4gT9yxGq1Rv8NQ cQA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=mVn6R0 NIeAAKy+W4OGPWF69zrP1JtUUzgwGEDh0DMXbfFkc/uDNdLSkU0O+VHUe7+mepv9AGA mhOhylTSqqJTcpHQej4xIAd/eAoAdR0ENSPqUX5u5ke7h9S+Smvdv1JKm4iOsPR4Nsa LXefASQZUoa6AhRN9x1/J6VPWF4+Ijc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:10:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE00BEBAD39 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:10:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZZoQwyBupLNj for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avasout06.plus.net (avasout06.plus.net [212.159.14.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2454BEB413E for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix2. ([80.229.143.2]) by avasout06 with smtp id sfAJ1i00503K0D401fAKP4; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 16:10:20 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=KqrPKBqN c=1 sm=1 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:17 a=QGUEKgwgM5kA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=ov6MqTjuOm54GJLjlmUA:9 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=kK-Znt54_LO4Atzx:21 a=RjoZb2JQud4KEQUD:21 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:117 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 16:09:22 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Message-ID: <5279a5058echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <527991fdf1dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <527991fdf1dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.18) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1137 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <527991fdf1dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > So apologies chaps, particularly Peter, yes indeed, !MakeRTF is > doing the stuff here. If MakeRTF is the agent producing the RTF, then this from the help file of TransRTF 2.02 fix problems caused by RTF from Ovation Pro MakeRTF due to it naming a style BodyText The implication (as I read it) is that MakeRTF is producing an RTF file that caused TransRTF a problem when reimporting the rtf file. Maybe David could comment further, on whether that might cause a problem when importing to MSW. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 16:43:33 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEMss-1ZSVbs-07-98P.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:43:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEMss-1ZSVbs-07-98P; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:40:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEMss-1ZSVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:40:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEMso-0004U9-Fs for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:40:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AC91EBAD6F; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:39:55 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333294795; bh=aSNpMrZzsoc+qkRR0UoDlgP1IX6whtt2cfvoSVgk 9WE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Eglfrkrns3c5blBJ6Q0fmICQqwAwmcna6nx2wkczDFnCFeLwOA 78aW37lduMChkHz28oJ2KOTOgN0ViaOUF3Cpu/68sGf1gXlU2Yi6OPu55QYPYMswQfK UnbUUs0UB8VA2s+VLR5PVBv1GMhLjcK/kiHfFIeIU5xdpbHdnLLNX8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QmENgX5cP+Bt; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C64A4EB89ED; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:39:41 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333294794; bh=aSNpMrZzsoc+qkRR0UoDlgP1IX6whtt2cfvoSVgk 9WE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=DWfZX2BEmFJ7LQO7wzQiP81B7TE7HuzF2vPZ1kZ8WG9YvFmQvA 8hg/XkGZ6jPCl14q+GrVoaK9G95a1dRim+Uf/D3tA1RlF+y82h/xILZHC0q7RGq9t2q VLXhxFJqzdOFlxQtZFxcuV+Naxl33waKC4yaGJe1G5sMQeoHQuhdBc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Apr 2012 11:39:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B6F3EB8A07 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:39:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l90VTxFsxDEu for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11D5DEB89ED for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 11:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1SEMsW-00065l-ci for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:39:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:38:58 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro References: <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <527991fdf1dave@triffid.co.uk> <5279a5058echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <5279a5058echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1138 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <5279a5058echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes > fix problems caused by RTF from Ovation Pro MakeRTF due to it > naming a style BodyText > >The implication (as I read it) is that MakeRTF is producing an RTF >file that caused TransRTF a problem when reimporting the rtf file. Sounds like it, although I have no memory of the problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 18:57:55 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEOnw-0okGPo-05-Fjr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:57:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEOnw-0okGPo-05-Fjr; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:43:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEOnw-0okGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:43:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEOnt-00068o-Dp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:43:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13864EBA76E; 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Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7E41EBA662 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.36.184]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q31Hgffj015881 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:42:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 18:41:54 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Message-ID: <5279b2fc8adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5279a5058echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <527991fdf1dave@triffid.co.uk> <5279a5058echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1139 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <5279a5058echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <527991fdf1dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > So apologies chaps, particularly Peter, yes indeed, !MakeRTF is > > doing the stuff here. > If MakeRTF is the agent producing the RTF, then this from the help > file of TransRTF 2.02 > fix problems caused by RTF from Ovation Pro MakeRTF due to it > naming a style BodyText > The implication (as I read it) is that MakeRTF is producing an RTF > file that caused TransRTF a problem when reimporting the rtf file. > Maybe David could comment further, on whether that might cause a > problem when importing to MSW. FWIW. Importing the OvProduced RTF into Word even with the Style BodyText renamed as something else (Tried a few different names) doesn't make any difference to the file content invisibility. In Word, Ctrl-A then "Clear Formatting is the only way the content can be made visible. The Ov Styles are listed in the Word formatting pane, and if I select a bit of the text and attempt to apply one of the OvPro styles, that text goes invisible again. However, if you want to do the work, you can call up the OvStyles in Word and re-edit them one by one so they do function correctly. Dave I'd still like to know why Imp Publisher generated RTF works and OvPro generated RTF doesn't? D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 19:27:54 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEPLa-1sYknw-02-FCD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 19:27:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEPLa-1sYknw-02-FCD; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 18:17:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEPLa-1sYknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 18:17:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEPLX-0006lw-GH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 18:17:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 559EDEBA89A; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:17:45 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333304265; bh=fyai8EPTcGM/XB6JMovF6rAVBhDKcUuFlOBEoNxm 6N4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=u1epcYncpnJ8ROBlpUpa85iaDf//GtEB/ZVDkG1rOX3Nt30PKU RqaPOkIACrOXmtStnbQWMU6caz4OlHUi9LC/BUK1NSTyV5dPIs28wxIs0nYPQ9rV81D P7dI6Bc02JgoeGwbj4IK8TkAD+I9SXTwbV/8NTeIBhuNbJCLXonkbs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MiCwKliFbYCZ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27AC7EBA889; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:17:32 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1333304264; bh=fyai8EPTcGM/XB6JMovF6rAVBhDKcUuFlOBEoNxm 6N4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=ewKmFhm8nRoiHBDh2fUCsME9rRXgcrSx0ZByquIsQCxK55jWtN FoQGF22rh5GI9KeewldLdY2z7DYOfiOwBwAy5fCM8NUyy+Bakq4CzwFCMMcztpyFDH9 UwcUYmx6Lrw75acSsw9plY8IG+Ear3yEGN1kypGpFRyLIQ6pgtkvEU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Apr 2012 14:17:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01A25EBA88B for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:17:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MjKtikPc4IwE for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (mercury.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.61]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09E76EBA889 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:17:29 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,353,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="858821002" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 01 Apr 2012 19:17:24 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700849A0A5 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 19:17:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 19:17:18 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52799ccd2adave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5279360544dave@triffid.co.uk> <071d407952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <52798fe919chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <52799ccd2adave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.69.2.3801 (Qt/4.7.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1140 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 1 Apr, Dave Symes wrote in message <52799ccd2adave@triffid.co.uk>: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > [Snippy] > > > Word or RTF export is possible, but would always come a cropper over > > things OP can do that Word etc. can't. It just never got done. That was > > a big failing, the program would have been much more successful had we > > done MS Word support at the time Techwriter did it - we spent our time > > doing other less important things. > > I guess this would be true of many things, in that often with > filters/converters, they have a reasonable go at the job, but often can't > do the full thing... Which is understandable, particularly as Word is such > a moving target, but a basic RTF converter should be possible. > > > Third parties could have written these filters, but presumably decided > > they were not commercially viable. > > Mnn! I don't know if any others have a use for a workable RTF > export/converter, but on a personal note, I wouldn't expect it to be > available for nothing. The problem is, the amounts of money on offer aren't *commercially* interesting (ie. they're not going to cover the time taken at rates comparable to other paid work). So we're still stuck with needing developers who want to do RTF export for "fun", which is perhaps a niche group. And as has been explained repeatedly WRT NetSurf (to name just one group of developers who have been vocal on the subject in the past), adding money into the equation tends to remove the "fun" aspect and actually *reduce* the desire to do the work. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show Saturday 28 April 2012 http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Apr 1 20:12:54 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1SEQ0q-2ZYGPo-07-EWx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 20:12:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1SEQ0q-2ZYGPo-07-EWx; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 19:00:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1SEQ0q-2ZYGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 19:00:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1SEQ0j-0001fi-LV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Sun, 1 Apr 2012 15:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BE6FEBAAD7 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 15:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from armini.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-212-8.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.212.8]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q31J00F1018320 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 20:00:01 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: The failings of OvPro To: From: Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 18:59:33 +0100 Message-ID: <059ab47952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5279794d77dave@triffid.co.uk> <527984aa53chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <19e48b7952.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <527991fdf1dave@triffid.co.uk> <5279a5058echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5279b2fc8adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5279b2fc8adave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.18) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1141 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 1 Apr 2012 Dave Symes wrote: > In article <5279a5058echris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, > Chris Johnson wrote: >> In article <527991fdf1dave@triffid.co.uk>, >> Dave Symes wrote: >>> So apologies chaps, particularly Peter, yes indeed, !MakeRTF is >>> doing the stuff here. >> If MakeRTF is the agent producing the RTF, then this from the help >> file of TransRTF 2.02 >> fix problems caused by RTF from Ovation Pro MakeRTF due to it >> naming a style BodyText >> The implication (as I read it) is that MakeRTF is producing an RTF >> file that caused TransRTF a problem when reimporting the rtf file. >> Maybe David could comment further, on whether that might cause a >> problem when importing to MSW. > FWIW. Importing the OvProduced RTF into Word even with the Style BodyText > renamed as something else (Tried a few different names) doesn't make any > difference to the file content invisibility. > In Word, Ctrl-A then "Clear Formatting is the only way the content can be > made visible. > The Ov Styles are listed in the Word formatting pane, and if I select a > bit of the text and attempt to apply one of the OvPro styles, that text > goes invisible again. > However, if you want to do the work, you can call up the OvStyles in Word > and re-edit them one by one so they do function correctly. > Dave > I'd still like to know why Imp Publisher generated RTF works and OvPro > generated RTF doesn't? Because the export filter was never finished. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Hf \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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And as has been explained > repeatedly WRT NetSurf (to name just one group of developers who have > been vocal on the subject in the past), adding money into the equation > tends to remove the "fun" aspect and actually *reduce* the desire to do > the work. You are no doubt right Steve... So I guess the obvious solution is just dump this cul-de-sac OS and move everything to Windows. I did it once before when I moved everything to OvPro and Eureka from previous apps. (Publisher and InterSheet). Mmnnn! interesting thought. ;-) D -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling