From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 3 21:04:23 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RtQIN-033knw-03-C0S.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 21:04:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RtQIN-033knw-03-C0S; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:03:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RtQIN-033knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:03:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RtQIN-00021R-2N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:03:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAA89E8D1EF; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:03:45 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1328303025; bh=aQl+1d/syunSP12DSGu+r8n8kq3oODBD7nGgnoKy T6o=; h=MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=tcLncfqP0nv9xXhoJNElv4pea3vyI Lz6Ounc0IkFMI0XRRzKdGerej5y6zFdI1qSjxjlWQuiQ1ycDwVdU3blfH7JKeqKHqqg VbuBdQQYYOJXM8uq8XcjQUTwiRxvGYwzjxXzV/i4AHdhd6A9Vl+LHTzbkOE9D1rQ6uT 2zHyRbCw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X6kokWnqAoEt; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3544AE8D1BF; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:03:32 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1328303024; bh=aQl+1d/syunSP12DSGu+r8n8kq3oODBD7nGgnoKy T6o=; h=MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=VXCQRpWOzpqEsQTnqaDXHl+DwI3Zg swuPkgx03CCOAOuSgumy2wjD4eKmasJUMksQTrRrG/rHNEkMwn08BvA3W8RiJD/M24q 4TWpySComcjHdPfAPvJ8OCskCaMcfnhhAV6demB9CgNSsBcmxtVTo8f2vNoOmARJ6SH KSfoNcdU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:03:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECD20E8D1ED for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:03:31 -0500 (EST) Authentication-Results: turing.freelists.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.i=@gmail.com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mUx3PcWqEv-d for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:03:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-iy0-f179.google.com (mail-iy0-f179.google.com [209.85.210.179]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 991A3E8D1BF for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:03:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by iabz21 with SMTP id z21so5965189iab.10 for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:03:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=pDW0NivIurQU5tWefyePN/Q3x4LH0B5p2J3UY9VGOOk=; b=QMijxDZwnhIl1CZpVSgdgOo2fRH280Nncs9Bbq7pggtV5xKJBXnjIx7uJzqXZOqROc QPt1SFj5B9hLz3a+P9QSJe03HUqD60HutnNpc0MuPs/3RQnQtdor0qy5IrN3OP5kXKLw niGkHyhuP5PErbqxDaHZaGYcGAYvTDndisRjo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.131.129 with SMTP id z1mr8093885ics.53.1328303011299; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 13:03:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.43.202 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 13:03:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 21:03:31 +0000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: okkD-Dw04MoiJFDzbd-4RksIEWA Message-ID: Subject: [softwarelist] What happened to David's homepage? From: Andy Marks To: davidpilling@freelists.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6134b824830a04b815a5b1 X-archive-position: 1018 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.marks@tesco.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling --90e6ba6134b824830a04b815a5b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Just went to www.davidpilling.info to be presented with a page of adverts. I took a stab at a different page as a guess (www.davidpilling.info/riscos) and that was okay and could navigate around the site from there, except the homepage. I suppose I'm using this to let David know in case he's not aware... Andy --90e6ba6134b824830a04b815a5b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

Just went to www.davidpilling.info to be presented with a page of adverts. I took = a stab at a different page=A0as a guess=A0(www.davidpilling.info/riscos) and that was okay and cou= ld navigate around the site from there, except the homepage.

I suppose I'm using this to let David know in case = he's not aware...

Andy
--90e6ba6134b824830a04b815a5b1-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 3 21:49:22 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RtQnk-0zg000-04-BV5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 21:49:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RtQnk-0zg000-04-BV5; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:36:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RtQnk-0zg000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:36:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RtQnf-0007CD-Rn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:36:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56A75E8D2EB; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:36:06 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1328304966; bh=ZUqRbTr0OgxoJdCCQZPDWo4W9zCq3TII2CBdyxJE nHg=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=VbtGt6dwFHoME2seUIjWui9d6/SOY KGYLPUMsJ9vX70cebPoE6ABtLZQ4ZV4NE23pXG8hUeqoZksN08H5nJh5MPETJxyIBSJ wsBotT23fqRKe8+Em7+aLCd8gTSwd38XdRJ9K5+7BbPtJBC+kiQpP2aPXlvh+hmGywU dki67Yr4= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XwmTcqWVaS+p; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:36:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1D72E8CF51; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:35:52 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1328304965; bh=ZUqRbTr0OgxoJdCCQZPDWo4W9zCq3TII2CBdyxJE nHg=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=dpghqWAw3Y0CPyA6KTowLwj485zSF IOae9GjTBCaLlbhVxvTFxowAj1Peo05beA5C53zT6EUHMiWNUebgPqSOfdwzKu5iOh3 JL8B5b9xoAuVgghaQsTevKKLko/vRgTOro6wOq/WzB8eCGueYfh1X5gF+s59r+ltQbh MXGQectE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:35:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84622E8D2A9 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:35:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EsaChtNXTyLQ for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:35:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91183E8CF51 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1RtQnO-0005cZ-ae for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 21:35:50 +0000 Message-ID: <5Qt7S3KHMFLPFwJJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 21:35:03 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: What happened to David's homepage? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1019 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message=20 ,=20 Andy Marks writes >Just went to www.davidpilling.info to be presented with a page of adverts.= I >took a stab at a different page=A0as a guess=A0(www.davidpilling.info/risc= os) and >that was okay and could navigate around the site from there, except the >homepage. >I suppose I'm using this to let David know in case he's not aware... Thanks for letting me know 8-( By the looks of it 1&1 who host my webspace and through whom I have=20 registered the domain davidpilling.info have disconnected the two, and=20 inserted their own pages. Their pages tell me they can show me how to easily create my own home=20 page - wow. Even better following their link comes to a dead end without=20 telling me. OK, it turns out 1&1 had overwritten my index.htm file. It is now fixed although my copy of Chrome insists on jumping back to=20 the page it was being redirected to. No doubt on restart it will be OK. I am not happy with 1&1 at this point. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR.= UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 3 22:04:34 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RtRCr-1MDVbs-07-B5y.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:04:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RtRCr-1MDVbs-07-B5y; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:02:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RtRCr-1MDVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:02:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RtRCo-0006wu-JH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:02:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BD6DE8D278; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:02:05 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1328306525; bh=ieqAILJwo0yJ9nXp3LUbgUhmIWu70S1oeRBt0KRf aFE=; h=References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:From:Subject: Date:To:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=eMvsCpOfBS+8f9 0W68Kmfo9tt31zbKc3ZP9rpLVpX9xx297C0bXhA2MYP/vnggFIDBMN9yupBxj4WxoTx AURtdl2aNMqfEl5tq0g83ydoPehKcBb6VySFuclCymDkjvW+HTtDdbhysWwZXd/Y1w/ 26n+9bbPJM+C9dxedtkCGz0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mXzNNF57OSGK; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC6DFE8CA91; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:01:51 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1328306524; bh=ieqAILJwo0yJ9nXp3LUbgUhmIWu70S1oeRBt0KRf aFE=; h=References:In-Reply-To:Mime-Version: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Message-Id:Cc:From:Subject: Date:To:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=t2o89iwWzQkv4g SRMpxZVl8eFQy55Ds8hF3LGohBIfqW5ZsXops3MUTEWxwEq1SXSglZAW4FZ1DdRFL5Z +rNDu9l/GSrojuP1OeQFYclnngGHQkhTRbxDVmdva44e07tybSQ/ss4RBfIInsJo2Cv KGQfg/SM5/NSNf/d6H/DnV4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:01:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A02CCE8CE1F for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:01:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UNCmieCdOG2z for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:01:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B871E8CA91 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:01:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by wgbdr12 with SMTP id dr12so4219144wgb.10 for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.78.130 with SMTP id b2mr20183239wix.1.1328306507933; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (know-mailgateway-2.server.virginmedia.net. [62.254.26.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q7sm9354066wix.5.2012.02.03.14.01.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:01:47 -0800 (PST) References: <5Qt7S3KHMFLPFwJJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5Qt7S3KHMFLPFwJJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Cc: "davidpilling@freelists.org" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9A405) From: Brian Hammond Subject: [softwarelist] Re: What happened to David's homepage? Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:01:45 +0000 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" X-archive-position: 1020 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: br2811@virginmedia.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Dear David, I had exactly the same problem last week with our local church website which= I run - hosted by 1&1. I just rewrote the index file over their adverts. No= comeback yet! Best wishes, Brian Sent from my iPad On 3 Feb 2012, at 21:35, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, >=20 > In message , Andy Marks writes >=20 >> Just went to www.davidpilling.info to be presented with a page of adverts= . I >> took a stab at a different page as a guess (www.davidpilling.info/riscos)= and >> that was okay and could navigate around the site from there, except the >> homepage. >> I suppose I'm using this to let David know in case he's not aware... >=20 >=20 > Thanks for letting me know 8-( >=20 > By the looks of it 1&1 who host my webspace and through whom I have regist= ered the domain davidpilling.info have disconnected the two, and inserted th= eir own pages. >=20 > Their pages tell me they can show me how to easily create my own home page= - wow. Even better following their link comes to a dead end without telling= me. >=20 > OK, it turns out 1&1 had overwritten my index.htm file. >=20 > It is now fixed although my copy of Chrome insists on jumping back to the p= age it was being redirected to. No doubt on restart it will be OK. >=20 > I am not happy with 1&1 at this point. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. U= K > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilli= ng To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 3 22:19:25 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RtRGI-35hVbs-01-B2X.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:19:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RtRGI-35hVbs-01-B2X; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:05:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RtRGI-35hVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:05:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RtRGB-0001cx-JV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:05:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B52AE8CF54; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:05:32 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1328306732; bh=XF0nfjdJRuh77AC8uEc6wEpQaC2ZLWhcDyzUxMtU 2Hg=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=tkHH4g/KANLIX6JtH4Fl0ibM3OPDx Sk4Zkjn9Jw9EJjpyWOiSe3grPDw8Hh5vLvFa00AnN4QEsNVICeoM5AREiIq/4A9XitB owjm5YCpA/RE+Nzuayl7ChBQlXdiVSIv58IoxO6a4K7xr4domvruKREzuzS2x4g+Gvh a5VBUDFI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3gayOpwL0ONJ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F1E8E8CD03; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:05:18 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1328306731; bh=XF0nfjdJRuh77AC8uEc6wEpQaC2ZLWhcDyzUxMtU 2Hg=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=IJIqNSOEEGqF7xPsGoKUp3f8splMO 3RlI4QdAbiC7J3xY8rYIi5GzXN2iAOAqYPji7w8xAiRgLid3YIk3AX7TMbdLjTzJbWG iBnX76TSrZICaf4ctP/q74+OOSlc5L/hCibznUEZojinnfUjsv60eYYoY5fBWq/ijdW Xp9/qa2Q= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:05:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3633CE8CD9E for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:05:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XcXe-FpSr9yH for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:05:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C50B7E8CD03 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from armini.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-209-35.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.209.35]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q13M58sJ029123 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:05:08 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: What happened to David's homepage? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:04:07 GMT Message-ID: <2782ec5b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5Qt7S3KHMFLPFwJJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5Qt7S3KHMFLPFwJJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.17) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1021 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 3 Feb 2012 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message > , > Andy Marks writes >>Just went to www.davidpilling.info to be presented with a page of adver= ts. I >>took a stab at a different page=A0as a guess=A0(www.davidpilling.info/r= iscos) and >>that was okay and could navigate around the site from there, except the= >>homepage. >>I suppose I'm using this to let David know in case he's not aware... > Thanks for letting me know 8-( > By the looks of it 1&1 who host my webspace and through whom I have > registered the domain davidpilling.info have disconnected the two, and > inserted their own pages. > Their pages tell me they can show me how to easily create my own home > page - wow. Even better following their link comes to a dead end withou= t > telling me. > OK, it turns out 1&1 had overwritten my index.htm file. > It is now fixed although my copy of Chrome insists on jumping back to > the page it was being redirected to. No doubt on restart it will be OK.= > I am not happy with 1&1 at this point. Not surprised that you're not happy! However, www.davidpilling.info=20 has just got me into the correct home page, so it looks as if they've=20 sorted it. With best wishes, Peter. --=20 Peter \ / zfc Hf \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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03 Feb 2012 22:05:56 +0000 GMT Message-ID: From: "J LEEMING" To: References: <5Qt7S3KHMFLPFwJJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: What happened to David's homepage? Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:06:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-archive-position: 1022 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jleeming231@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:35 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: What happened to David's homepage? Hi, In message , Andy Marks writes >Just went to www.davidpilling.info to be presented with a page of adverts. >I >took a stab at a different page as a guess (www.davidpilling.info/riscos) >and >that was okay and could navigate around the site from there, except the >homepage. >I suppose I'm using this to let David know in case he's not aware... Thanks for letting me know 8-( By the looks of it 1&1 who host my webspace and through whom I have registered the domain davidpilling.info have disconnected the two, and inserted their own pages. Their pages tell me they can show me how to easily create my own home page - wow. Even better following their link comes to a dead end without telling me. OK, it turns out 1&1 had overwritten my index.htm file. It is now fixed although my copy of Chrome insists on jumping back to the page it was being redirected to. No doubt on restart it will be OK. I am not happy with 1&1 at this point. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I also had a problem with some web pages hosted by 1&1 in that they appeared to have reverted to older versions. They must have had a problem of some sort. John Leeming. 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([80.229.143.2]) by avasout01 with smtp id VaCo1i00903K0D401aCpq6; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:12:50 +0000 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=UNlf7Vjy c=1 sm=1 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:17 a=CfXKBBYGwAgA:10 a=dZWIGqKjVVgA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=uVhb0EPuAAAA:8 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=FVwKMbchTdAMy83xKKYA:9 a=5q16AM7tce4A:10 a=arP+Q+LugWBnYfCmE7mF9A==:117 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:12:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: What happened to David's homepage? Message-ID: <525bed4104chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1023 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Andy Marks wrote: > Just went to www.davidpilling.info to be presented with a page of > adverts. Seems fine now. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 3 22:49:24 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RtRjd-1Mhknw-08-AZC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:49:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RtRjd-1Mhknw-08-AZC; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:36:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RtRjd-1Mhknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:36:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RtRja-0004FX-I4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:36:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A32DE8D00B; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:35:56 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1328308556; bh=CtjBDdkwsQziYH5OQiUuBF2a3OtK8wVDcS7NmBzJ wp0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=A1Pmdh//pWWZtYqm/mxgt+Qx0/+CuPuzzP8cxBLH9fiGnnjO/T Q0ci4uWiBXjxiKWvhMQv5mW4lBQUs+rRVC4xBfTOgHpaZeFJIewgBzWj7oqXRD4NomI OWSyb3GCYqHNd7UlHCVZpP11yiwCwk3YG4A/IWuWbuQpLNBB2RO+aw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uOLsDaX9gpfL; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A56AFE8CA7C; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:35:42 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1328308555; bh=CtjBDdkwsQziYH5OQiUuBF2a3OtK8wVDcS7NmBzJ wp0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=o7j1UDUFO8IHIWma15hA5WFaOJ5y5V902ALMw1S7Nq/e7O7aqe jEEc6XfirSJQlaBjLKgK2plKsSpLgPJ0PAjp2PdQ4wPULA7dZwuY7Lg2YCXJCC2ygVZ WwaSVO0eU9COPOX8tIyz2NGzY2DHBEmQgxqsoIQTVUQvyN/sPlodjI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:35:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FD55E8CDF8 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:35:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V0zKhjKrWIOb for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7B93E8CA7C for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:35:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1RtRjI-000440-kH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:35:40 +0000 Message-ID: <8y9aaDOFEGLPFw7H@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:34:45 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: What happened to David's homepage? References: <5Qt7S3KHMFLPFwJJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <2782ec5b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2782ec5b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1024 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <2782ec5b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young writes >However, www.davidpilling.info >has just got me into the correct home page, so it looks as if they've >sorted it. ** I ** fixed it I'll let you know when/if they reply. Thanks for the comments. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 4 12:28:03 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RteYb-2hMVbs-06-EnG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 12:28:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RteYb-2hMVbs-06-EnG; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:17:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RteYb-2hMVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:17:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RteYY-0006Nl-0r for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:17:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66B06E8D22B; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 07:17:23 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1328357843; bh=ki5ogOA1K1up9Qd/KxpootgRZn9nKyCnC1/7xBsW Etw=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=NPM0cMyDmIcm+YRgMkM8R2mxknJZ8 jtadt9GvZZ1BjochiQ/YsMK5uwGGZXQry/ew3SiwYxy2MfE6RNOhijWfmnBFfBwRXr1 49O4VS7sBH564mCbnPKyB/SI0p1ZEjKxVeo4OS2GInJMTHnpYVtYmDGcbSkowwTKar+ 3DuFCjd0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LmYK7vhkMuKx; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 07:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F13A9E8D18E; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 07:17:09 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1328357842; bh=ki5ogOA1K1up9Qd/KxpootgRZn9nKyCnC1/7xBsW Etw=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=LNkv+eDrjIeLa7veta/ugClHckqXu yhguxkozslYkKJr7D6HK9zynsnjZHIxvzIya6MP97nj4SZcv4dl2rYlRHxo3iBNcT8j yJ1IADV0ja0frAeaRSA57rBuGC+Xh3jmZZO7LiHzka8wbHZ3u0qy3LqKZV6yKdXfHM/ crXnzkqk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 04 Feb 2012 07:17:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB2C1E8D225 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 07:17:09 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IsOk9gYnu0BO for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 07:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from zhbdzmsp-smta15.bluewin.ch (zhbdzmsp-smta15.bluewin.ch [195.186.99.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4F56E8D18E for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 07:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [195.186.227.131] ([195.186.227.131:48154] helo=zhhdzmsp-smta14.bluewin.ch) by zhbdzmsp-smta15.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D6/58-20898-0C12D2F4; Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:17:05 +0000 Received: from ACER.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch (83.79.26.43) by zhhdzmsp-smta14.bluewin.ch (8.5.142) (authenticated as janvredenburch@bluewin.ch) id 4EBD3C7C048C7847 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 4 Feb 2012 12:17:04 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: setting tabs in OPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 12:56:31 +0100 Message-ID: <6ab7385c52.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120204-0, 02/04/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 1025 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling I slipped up as somewhere half a dozen messages did not arrive in my mailbox but in my windoze side of the computer and which I only discovered now. Just to be precise as there are 2 (4) different ways of setting tabs in Ovation Pro. 1. First the quick way. A As an "effect". Indeed by pressing Ctrl-Tab and clicking with Select in the blank space above the Tab ruler tabs are set when you click on OK. B. As a "Style" Select the style to which you want to add tab settings (Edit Style -> Tabs....). Here you then proceed as stated under A above. 2. Now for precision. A2 and B2 Now, in both preceding cases the Tab settings are set to the nearest whole number. To get a more precise setting you have to enter the exact number in the "Position" icon in the Tabs window and THEN PRESS RETURN. If you do not press RETURN then whatever number you have set in the "Position" icon will fall back to the nearest full number when you press OK. You must also follow this procedure if you decide to change the position of a 'precise' Tab. All this is mentioned on page 61 of the manual. Jim, I agree it would have been much better if the markings of the Tab settings would have been visible in Fig. 5.33 on that page. -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 5 13:13:03 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ru1qC-2wxGPo-08-8Yh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:13:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ru1qC-2wxGPo-08-8Yh; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 13:09:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ru1qC-2wxGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 13:09:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ru1q8-0006mF-98 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 13:09:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 710F8E8D54C; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 08:09:06 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1328447346; bh=YitM6bbPa5DswW89jm3lIH04yB30BpVO68M4MkQn vbY=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=C/ROwjpNUAHW+9+ABTZIptHkDQCv0r5OGN75gMxe+HEVszwgCA 0VXHWolHyjCSyiZtDJoO0y71rZTeES04ORptAC8F7TSjYzpjvc8pwgslM5glXlOT0R3 JPhYKFWUNE300Vt4jBbxDi3bQPjIluLGYD5rBW7ZgQhr0tSwBLrszI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bcaIDB+e1Al7; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 08:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4FE0E88ACC; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 08:08:52 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1328447345; bh=YitM6bbPa5DswW89jm3lIH04yB30BpVO68M4MkQn vbY=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=WzJumzAl32ueaZONnfd570CEW2+LDEiOnlqfcpLZ1oXRZ35OlT a3mMeVMO9wCguYCW5d2GCg0ftd+Z6i4b5UDaZCIt30sh3+Z2qxLeI/OzizXD0Glnra+ xU/kL9Q4MZsPBgitvreL0Ij4xofteqGl0A3tVFSnvvYDVv/IauiSfQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 05 Feb 2012 08:08:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0BB5E89A3D for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 08:08:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FTC7o8y-tZ1z for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 08:08:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from zhbdzmsp-smta17.bluewin.ch (zhbdzmsp-smta17.bluewin.ch [195.186.99.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26CA3E88ACC for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 08:08:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from [195.186.227.130] ([195.186.227.130:48102] helo=zhhdzmsp-smta12.bluewin.ch) by zhbdzmsp-smta17.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0E/CD-10892-26F7E2F4; Sun, 05 Feb 2012 13:08:50 +0000 Received: from ACER.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch (83.78.41.61) by zhhdzmsp-smta12.bluewin.ch (8.5.142) (authenticated as janvredenburch@bluewin.ch) id 4E6F428B06C1069B for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 5 Feb 2012 13:08:50 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: setting tabs in OPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2012 14:00:53 +0100 Message-ID: <1972c25c52.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> References: <6ab7385c52.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> In-Reply-To: <6ab7385c52.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120205-0, 02/05/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 1026 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message 4 Feb 2012 I wrote: There is a typo in the last line of my message, see below. > I slipped up as somewhere half a dozen messages did not arrive in my > mailbox but in my windoze side of the computer and which I only > discovered now. > Just to be precise as there are 2 (4) different ways of setting tabs > in Ovation Pro. > 1. First the quick way. > A As an "effect". > Indeed by pressing Ctrl-Tab and clicking with Select in the blank > space above the Tab ruler tabs are set when you click on OK. > B. As a "Style" > Select the style to which you want to add tab settings (Edit Style -> > Tabs....). Here you then proceed as stated under A above. > 2. Now for precision. > A2 and B2 > Now, in both preceding cases the Tab settings are set to the nearest > whole number. To get a more precise setting you have to enter the > exact number in the "Position" icon in the Tabs window and THEN PRESS > RETURN. If you do not press RETURN then whatever number you have set > in the "Position" icon will fall back to the nearest full number when > you press OK. > You must also follow this procedure if you decide to change the > position of a 'precise' Tab. > All this is mentioned on page 61 of the manual. Jim, I agree it would > have been much better if the markings of the Tab settings would have > been visible in Fig. 5.33 on that page. This should be Fig. 5.23 -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 7 12:25:31 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ruk07-3HDVbs-02-FXs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:25:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ruk07-3HDVbs-02-FXs; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:18:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ruk07-3HDVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:18:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Rujzz-0005bC-3b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:18:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6B6DE8D862; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 07:18:12 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1328617092; bh=XMEyH259XrgxxGFfKYzd9EeCefb4GkWD+1MBXCA5 H/8=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=UBzBjOeQ7zSArdlnAuGWW8J2OGOjH548bDZCld6N/ejzqK3t46 8jLA0lNzO8Bvi48OnAq0wtxhAaDNeDA5tligqyhln/IyhfBxELgOUV7edCyUiRwSL5b GfvKmbvrp0Tq2MGZ1gu6jqN03KnStlqh18TCgvSKrOJKtq12QJRNYg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0hqjR206ZaZc; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 07:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37AABE8D5DA; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 07:17:59 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1328617091; bh=XMEyH259XrgxxGFfKYzd9EeCefb4GkWD+1MBXCA5 H/8=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=RSfuXPtxwFdz/o/42hBol0IiV5zLuzoQRO5fs9FXwJ1F/jBQXM ar0304hdF/hYEoFfuXLsp0MbmGgp2DfepsQbKXaO1h4t3r8x4yYFfDVHfK0ECY6x5nh uJbG4cmnf5uClL7Gw0SndIf4LGLIoSbVZiWPyb8yPXvYCxLSU3BVuI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Feb 2012 07:17:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06DCEE8D7B2 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 07:17:59 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L64Tn8U8T1fp for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 07:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B670E8D5DA for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 07:17:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Rujzh-0003bH-md for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 12:17:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:16:33 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: What happened to David's homepage? References: <5Qt7S3KHMFLPFwJJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <2782ec5b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <8y9aaDOFEGLPFw7H@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8y9aaDOFEGLPFw7H@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1027 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <8y9aaDOFEGLPFw7H@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes >I'll let you know when/if they reply. Thanks for the comments. I got a reply from 1 & 1 "There was a technical glitch in our server causing the 1&1 parking page to overwrite the customers' home page files. Our administrators are still working to restore all the files. As an advise, if still have the backup of your home page file then please reupload it to the webspace inorder for the website to work back. " Purely a guess - they have code to insert parking pages in new accounts and it went wrong overwriting existing accounts? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 16 17:33:49 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ry52j-2PcGPo-05-D5e.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:33:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ry52j-2PcGPo-05-D5e; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:22:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ry52j-2PcGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:22:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ry52e-0003ZU-Sk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:22:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BC7CE94530; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:22:47 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1329412967; bh=BSsSAY2XaRFuepxtHhHKnmKQTXvXUo/TUP2mLS4T H4k=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=PjYTfJ3yc4XqyXNfpxksp3ryUirD3 r5RcT8mydNP6vhj9vJL2vEEBWKVFG/wpkCoUnHW2YgkD2PFuexzn902Ttr0BRu9kdkS wVRqbmh44XLEMpPWTdTls2IsJghmui2z26IzgmUTopHlPZXuxwXdZLHycBC1GRQFXjE 9dIEo6lU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fsiV7u++Qryo; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48A4CE944B8; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:22:33 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1329412966; bh=BSsSAY2XaRFuepxtHhHKnmKQTXvXUo/TUP2mLS4T H4k=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=rBVIyui0KZABWBW2UhY1jtKFvoGvg 1jTriFV83gMEioCt6XhNh21Zk4d0V1aTVCOTQQ1PuySLmRc6u2bWVQ1zVwaiTROoQGW dHF/ZxI2hYXej/W44hTerVfnsG6OwiVWmRrvklK1kQvABpE1hWQqOqNbqDOjZuUekQg J6B6E19w= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:22:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC48EE94511 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:22:32 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GYcjqrME8POF for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:22:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CE41E944B8 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Ry52J-0000gN-gB for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:22:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:21:31 +0000 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Scanners (lack of) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1028 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, Scanners... I only ever did one USB driver and with the demise of SCSI and printer ports that means all you can use on modern kit are some old Epson scanners. I've felt that a new scanner should be supported, the problem with that is finding a scanner for which documentation is available and which will be on sale for a considerable time. To write a driver, I'd say one has to rely on the Linux SANE project. Effectively if information is available SANE will have it. In the past I got all my information direct from scanner makers - mostly under non-disclosure agreements. My drivers are constructed as a large core which is standard and all the scanner specific stuff is in a single file. Supporting a new scanner consists of creating that specific file. I've had a look in the last couple of days and there seems to be a number of available scanners supported by SANE. In particular the HP all in one (scanner/printers) devices and some Epsons. So I am floating the idea - would anyone like to have my code and write a new driver. It's a slightly problematic project because you need hardware, and what one person has or wants may not be the best for the RISC OS world as a whole. Commercial suppliers like CJE and RComp would probably like to support the development of new drivers. I'm a little reluctant to hand the code over to them, at which point it will become their product. I'm also reluctant to invest my own time. You could of course abandon TWAIN. Do your own front end. One might be able to port SANE wholesale (a bit like Martin Wuerthners printer thing). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 20 15:15:44 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RzUni-1VUknw-01-AZp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:15:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RzUni-1VUknw-01-AZp; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:05:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RzUni-1VUknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:05:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RzUnX-0007jc-Q6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:05:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA01CE94F65; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:04:40 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1329750280; bh=AldGnV9lwAz2p+T0CjK1S+7FAdq7zByT0WZJQB9d y6I=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=o1lT5/87zxKnrtrSccwCCw2Bs3u9F lSf3/Rrn3piVOMVKQ9moEIfQIXdYRpRjA21UGI857TDYAzTmsZztYcsofoxxkq0JdLH nT5YL6YIfFFy9LAOqm7Kyhl0wTAsAxraRzmyRsKHohcp0swYBa3CQz2r2YEBnohjTVx 72wTV0OM= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Shh5ifM+r8tX; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26953E93C67; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:04:27 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1329750279; bh=AldGnV9lwAz2p+T0CjK1S+7FAdq7zByT0WZJQB9d y6I=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=AumtxJMJ00boJQtIMU4iRMmrX3fD4 NKDBcx2RrhW9REtGZpT7zrlK/KfZqJymAcmBqC72oOjtaXFGEWWtF8t6Aj7qDXRJfbA ISnPJ7OV40KsgIxX+yL4vjSiZj684KFKTaCeynaUaOfOeDzfOsBHljfadfZeVKco+b6 HL7d9zI4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:04:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F05BCE94EE2 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:04:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wB3hAWzpPQYK for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1A72E93C67 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1RzUmh-0000yk-m2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:04:11 +0000 Message-ID: <3xAoK0CfCmQPFwjR@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:02:55 +0000 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro on Linux (Wine fixed) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1029 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, I've been using Linux quite a bit for the last year, and I thought "hmm why not try using Ovation Pro (for Windows) under Wine". I came upon the problem others reported long ago (e.g. Tony van der Hoff circa 2005) - opening windows with a scrolling pane (e.g. edit style, macros) gives an error message "Access Denied (GetScrollInfo)(5)". Looking at the response Tony got from the Wine experts, it seems likely this 'error' is not a real one. Anyway I have rebuilt the program to avoid this error. Available from: http://www.davidpilling.com/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe That takes OP from useless to usable under Wine. There are some obvious other problems, it seems exclusive or plotting is not emulated correctly (try creating a curve), more strange the help bubbles on the button bar get one out of sync at some point. All this is "too little too late". I did not realise how big a problem this small bug was, I'd also not seen the response from the Wine people, until a day or two ago, highlighting the error message was dubious. I'd be interested to know if there are any other problems. Whilst I have been very happy with Ubuntu + the Chrome browser on my laptop (co-existing with Win 7, using wubi). I installed Mint Linux on a desktop machine to work on OP yesterday and I've not been having much fun with that. But if there is any interest I might just do a bit more work (probably setting off by getting rid of Mint Linux). Meanwhile I notice the OP for Windows pages (on which the above installer resides) are not the right ones - I need to work on that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 20 15:30:44 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RzV4u-3Au000-08-AId.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:30:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RzV4u-3Au000-08-AId; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:23:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RzV4u-3Au000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:23:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RzV4r-0005NE-Sn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:23:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF882E950AF; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:22:55 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1329751375; bh=uJkLYG0bbfKsLOugQT7w0uQ5ZuJPEoGg5scn/RQu tUo=; h=Content-Type:To:Subject:References:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=ogg9imjM39pyYulwo6MpFVwbwbiAO nU4iuYR0nk+8zquIK4UhgfPonRaKVTCqSZ4nScNYbFHZ2oABFDM5xiqrPa5KN+SjLOI 0A6TLGFDAMPELT+TbN3wJdbaws0QeUq4qDVNlzsbsLY2AcGjk9Y14wBLqyhQlfq9q5s X5WaBGQE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yCH84pOo1hVH; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:22:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC32DE93A3A; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:22:41 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1329751374; bh=uJkLYG0bbfKsLOugQT7w0uQ5ZuJPEoGg5scn/RQu tUo=; h=Content-Type:To:Subject:References:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Sc9CeCVuBvsY2KtdZ9tqFNQrrwc1U bETAK53MFgIM8NwTSIrGOBJweAdDTzecqinEbjoDSxrIG+10/O4A/wiofZiuMStCToX eEA0drp3GhwbUKuZpfndiFhc2fJlFo6hBaFWjlANHJ9ith0VfrbcDUTlUYXh6hWP0hf U58AFN4U= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:22:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3E1BE9506C for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:22:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 61lip7CkADTh for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:22:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.smtpout.orange.fr (smtp05.smtpout.orange.fr [80.12.242.127]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35F5DE93A3A for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:22:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mint-imac ([92.145.74.2]) by mwinf5d40 with ME id cFNf1i00402xy8U03FNfFN; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:22:39 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: What happened to David's homepage? References: <5Qt7S3KHMFLPFwJJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <2782ec5b52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <8y9aaDOFEGLPFw7H@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:22:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Tony Stauber" Organization: Retired Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.61 (Linux) X-archive-position: 1030 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: castauber@wanadoo.fr Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On Tue, 07 Feb 2012 13:16:33 +0100, David Pilling wrote: > In message <8y9aaDOFEGLPFw7H@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > writes >> I'll let you know when/if they reply. Thanks for the comments. > > I got a reply from 1 & 1 > > "There was a technical glitch in our server causing the 1&1 parking page > to overwrite the customers' home page files. Our administrators are > still working to restore all the files. As an advise, if still have the > backup of your home page file then please reupload it to the webspace > inorder for the website to work back. " > > Purely a guess - they have code to insert parking pages in new accounts > and it went wrong overwriting existing accounts? > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 20 15:45:44 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RzVNi-0qyVbs-01-9zp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:45:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RzVNi-0qyVbs-01-9zp; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:42:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RzVNi-0qyVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:42:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RzVNd-0002dV-Sn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:42:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A484E9473E; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:42:19 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1329752539; bh=QaZLdXlfpCdM62zNRq2U5YGasA0fghnvGzjZdFhT IBc=; h=Content-Type:To:Subject:References:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=ob0OdEz9zzYKIBtCN8O1HUOVR8fmM AoLK3N3KXJ0ijlAKKOMN12tL8Lys+cwbXs16T0MwITyjTiSaynOpegyrfgLcGTTf6lH EMLxYtC0SOP6OR/2MkqFVY14UsLA96SInle0NmkS8KiVgK86wwPlR/DQmz4QputpDtA vNxSurOQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6vvppw6Bv4ZS; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E4B7E933BA; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:42:05 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1329752538; bh=QaZLdXlfpCdM62zNRq2U5YGasA0fghnvGzjZdFhT IBc=; h=Content-Type:To:Subject:References:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Sender: Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=bPbF/ci7341kW6zbEHgYqtQubvLjO WR1rtYvUNrQN80kGaNO79eIV7s2yetlGKAS2jHO9K2NZeoo3YdDS2RRIwjM5DrvtnQw w4bzE2Bgg9fHqbKuZRWntbFcx/fGffkYT5Dcgfz4+bpJTINepP3RjYQPghYqJJY4Raq TtmT46M4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:42:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73A5FE93A3A for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:42:05 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NjR2ZlfHIq0V for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.smtpout.orange.fr (smtp05.smtpout.orange.fr [80.12.242.127]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3C7EE933BA for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:42:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mint-imac ([92.145.74.2]) by mwinf5d40 with ME id cFi21i00e02xy8U03Fi3lW; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:42:03 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro on Linux (Wine fixed) References: <3xAoK0CfCmQPFwjR@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:42:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Tony Stauber" Organization: Retired Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3xAoK0CfCmQPFwjR@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.61 (Linux) X-archive-position: 1031 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: castauber@wanadoo.fr Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Brilliant! No more scroll error messages. > I'd be interested to know if there are any other problems. Unfortunately I have discovered another problem.. I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere so it's probably not a problem, but me missing something obvious again. However, when I drag a jpg into a frame (using wine and your beloved Mint Linux) nothing happens. In the windows version the picture appears immediately. On the other hand I can import a picture/jpg via the menu. If you're using Mint Linux 12 I quite understand your not liking it. I upgraded a while ago, and didn't get on with it at all, so reinstalled Mint Linux 11 which I am quite happy with. Tony Stauber > > Whilst I have been very happy with Ubuntu + the Chrome browser on my > laptop (co-existing with Win 7, using wubi). I installed Mint Linux on a > desktop machine to work on OP yesterday and I've not been having much > fun with that. > > But if there is any interest I might just do a bit more work (probably > setting off by getting rid of Mint Linux). > > Meanwhile I notice the OP for Windows pages (on which the above > installer resides) are not the right ones - I need to work on that. > > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 20 17:15:47 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RzWgf-4M1Vbs-03-8gs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:15:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RzWgf-4M1Vbs-03-8gs; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:06:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RzWgf-4M1Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:06:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RzWgY-000471-9f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:06:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFCE8E94FBD; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:05:55 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1329757555; bh=9QwcriNmUQm+TNohafh01rC+clCKBCaIpLvX8k83 nBw=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=fspICoEaj7JdWzOVvn4/5ZD5vrmFU76PONux45iAhORcvSJI9t 8m98EUP1vrk0/WMnGhkTnKqRtrK9vh84ZUHFepvmOOOLXRJ4BCrGlmIQkRm/Tb556HF uqPW0CM6wipK10ddDfo5FkJYz3xqIjlTbM7scAVCrBte6B+kWjcYaQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qyKl6N9AEb7H; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0969CE94F53; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:05:41 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1329757554; bh=9QwcriNmUQm+TNohafh01rC+clCKBCaIpLvX8k83 nBw=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=xMTb5zS/7pKziwkyeBN9hrOJ+9prLVxM/aF9O2MWWtXMvdgHXe lav7vNbg105VpXKkR4w3ljHwiTYVlnnHC0zIP9EWadfhCF6dMHuGbR5egFSpq6xXzDh LA1BbGsd4zkrFCReRI3y7fA7XwtLJy1OhPGflzSInvTVkcR+5ab4kY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:05:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDF21E94F60 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:05:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q9T0ulMTXcNU for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 484B0E94F53 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:05:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1RzWgG-0005mU-mg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:05:40 +0000 Message-ID: <7BMrGfFs0nQPFwxL@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:04:44 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro on Linux (Wine fixed) References: <3xAoK0CfCmQPFwjR@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1032 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Tony Stauber writes >again. However, when I drag a jpg into a frame (using wine and your >beloved Mint Linux) nothing happens. In the windows version the >picture appears I would guess this is a problem with drag and drop of any file type - I've repeated it with .bmp and .txt files. I wonder what the status of Wine is, it surprises me that seven years on they've not sorted GetScrollInfo. Yes, the latest version of Mint. I can't see myself changing to an older version. I picked it because apparently it is the most popular Linux. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from sout.wanadoo.co.uk (sout3.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.226]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D861E91F7D for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 12:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from rachael.localnet ([2.26.225.114]) by mwinf5d52 with ME id cHSo1i00A2UiwMN03HSoAR; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:26:49 +0100 From: Mark Fraser To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro on Linux (Wine fixed) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:26:47 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (Linux/2.6.38-13-generic; KDE/4.7.2; i686; ; ) References: <3xAoK0CfCmQPFwjR@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3xAoK0CfCmQPFwjR@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary-01=_XJoQPH4HxptSEUt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201202201726.47598.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> X-archive-position: 1033 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling --Boundary-01=_XJoQPH4HxptSEUt Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Monday 20 Feb 2012 15:02:55 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've been using Linux quite a bit for the last year, and I thought "hmm > why not try using Ovation Pro (for Windows) under Wine". > > I came upon the problem others reported long ago (e.g. Tony van der Hoff > circa 2005) - opening windows with a scrolling pane (e.g. edit style, > macros) gives an error message "Access Denied (GetScrollInfo)(5)". > > Looking at the response Tony got from the Wine experts, it seems likely > this 'error' is not a real one. > > Anyway I have rebuilt the program to avoid this error. Available from: > > http://www.davidpilling.com/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe > > That takes OP from useless to usable under Wine. Thanks for doing that David. > Whilst I have been very happy with Ubuntu + the Chrome browser on my > laptop (co-existing with Win 7, using wubi). I installed Mint Linux on a > desktop machine to work on OP yesterday and I've not been having much > fun with that. Both of these distros are Gnome based, have you tried something with KDE on it like Kubuntu, OpenSUSE or the KDE version of Mint? --Boundary-01=_XJoQPH4HxptSEUt Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

On Monday 20 Feb 2012 15:02:55 David Pilling wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I've been using Linux quite a bit for the last year, and I thought "hmm

> why not try using Ovation Pro (for Windows) under Wine".

>

> I came upon the problem others reported long ago (e.g. Tony van der Hoff

> circa 2005) - opening windows with a scrolling pane (e.g. edit style,

> macros) gives an error message "Access Denied (GetScrollInfo)(5)".

>

> Looking at the response Tony got from the Wine experts, it seems likely

> this 'error' is not a real one.

>

> Anyway I have rebuilt the program to avoid this error. Available from:

>

> http://www.davidpilling.com/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe

>

> That takes OP from useless to usable under Wine.

 

Thanks for doing that David.

 

> Whilst I have been very happy with Ubuntu + the Chrome browser on my

> laptop (co-existing with Win 7, using wubi). I installed Mint Linux on a

> desktop machine to work on OP yesterday and I've not been having much

> fun with that.

 

Both of these distros are Gnome based, have you tried something with KDE on it like Kubuntu, OpenSUSE or the KDE version of Mint?

 

--Boundary-01=_XJoQPH4HxptSEUt-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 20 18:30:20 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1RzXif-4Q2Vbs-04-GBO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:30:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1RzXif-4Q2Vbs-04-GBO; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:12:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1RzXif-4Q2Vbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:12:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1RzXid-0005vs-4N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:12:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC60BE9394D; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:12:09 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1329761529; bh=msthfatFmo0M9TPRUE/xQWXa/ps0jnPWu9DDygjb De4=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=XeFhBwpgEFM+QQU3sz/BxOZqaoGaiPdaQBDu8cx8xq6CKYiaWw y4jzH2V1lrTX6TWecY+SJDb/nmWdeFA1K1zO6PqMazwHY0dC4uVwY0oWeby+61hv4+9 T5N1JQ+YwYadpYIz3cykYkj5n1IRoJe0fxROsE0JXf/l8uXcRLvFHQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3+G3IeAar7g9; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 130FFE8E9BD; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:11:56 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1329761528; bh=msthfatFmo0M9TPRUE/xQWXa/ps0jnPWu9DDygjb De4=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=ErYeM231+bEbZL7jKIkgn9Q+CPmD3lzz6waAX0piGQrAYtGTjs EuMMDbDBFjFXT+FIaQAdK0rvgmtnzZMaWt/HUle1FnPksgn45dnLS96z3+1pHBbIhr4 oTpZ9k+qkUDpDq8WXsMLQfA/e2fgZdC494wUZ1SyeSuEMql8ZdDrSw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:11:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF38AE93589 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:11:55 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dkm66Dafh6Gw for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52FE5E8E9BD for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1RzXiM-0004bQ-Zq for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:11:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:10:16 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro on Linux (Wine fixed) References: <3xAoK0CfCmQPFwjR@pilling.demon.co.uk> <201202201726.47598.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <201202201726.47598.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1034 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <201202201726.47598.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>, Mark Fraser writes >Both of these distros are Gnome based, have you tried something with KDE on >it like Kubuntu, OpenSUSE or the KDE version of Mint? I have not tried other distros. I'm not sure what to expect a better experience or more (or less) bugs. After my last email I saw some chat about problems with Wine and drag and drop not working, so maybe this is not an OPW specific problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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I can't see myself changing to an old= er = > version. I picked it because apparently it is the most popular Linux. Latest versions of Linux seem determined to ruin a perfectly good deskto= p = - gnome 2... but as they say in my part of the world 'On n'arr=EAte pas= le = progr=E8s'... Tony Stauber To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 24 14:05:24 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S0vcA-2BgVbs-04-FX3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:05:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S0vcA-2BgVbs-04-FX3; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:55:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S0vcA-2BgVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:55:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S0vc8-0004Lk-Rt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:55:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD83FE983D0; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:54:59 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330091699; bh=zFBMCbkAUg5d0Ae1A7XorYplYk8OQTopfjiHkk+X AGI=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=xlxlq173a46AplDeZQ1Wd7Fs+9mx/RDB/OSpZAOLtALfYgyuTm 6G39pNkfAP1QmBmjnzczBjykvvQ4zI9gOVBjXRBVTyJBBGvqVKiA7U4bAhaKWQL4gw8 89xMRLOZNWf3KYCIoP6aZ5LJdl2NM2nqsF/J6bpOKTko+bd6/vuTFc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4NgkSfkSWrJ9; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD95CE9839C; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:54:45 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330091698; bh=zFBMCbkAUg5d0Ae1A7XorYplYk8OQTopfjiHkk+X AGI=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=dd9+Bzc8UxH3VWdFbeFHSdNsXGNqjDVuO+UDk7maRW5XtR163q gn2s0TFfHfpG/zdp4dbTiZxfpY6aRov2VxSXvDbcZEl5jeoo26IZYCQjBxheeOLz/9U WbD8YbmzPsHeLuAGlfXb8JfPFP9HKeHSsKjB2tOQb9GZOBV/7LTd40= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:54:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D95FE9839D for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:54:45 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LaDZaIKM8fvV for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:54:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 070C4E9839C for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:54:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1S0vbe-0007RL-hT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:54:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:54:07 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro on Linux (Wine fixed) References: <3xAoK0CfCmQPFwjR@pilling.demon.co.uk> <7BMrGfFs0nQPFwxL@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1036 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, I've played a little with OP on Linux (Wine), the worst thing I have found is that rotated bitmap graphics don't work properly. I have to qualify this by saying "if the graphic is clipped and including rotating the frame". I guess this is a failure to support exclusive or plotting of bitmaps. On new versions of Windows OP uses a Windows transformed rendering routine, it only uses eor on old versions. That should mean a little tinkering can improve the situation. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Hohohoho! She has a Document.dpd originally created in RISC OS OvPro, it contains two pictures. For a friend in an alien environment she wants to re-create the document in Word. No problem with the text content, but how does she get the two pictures out of the Win OvPro and into the Word doc. The only option shown is Save as draw, which is not much help in a Windows environment (Graphic is actually a sprite inside a Drawfile) ? Thanks Dave Can't copy a graphic out of Win OvPro and Paste in Win DPScan either. 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Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:05:54 GMT From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_41C19CC6-300B-4DE3-A69F-49DF5C71D300" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Win OvPro and pictures Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:05:52 +0000 In-Reply-To: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.52, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 --Apple-Mail=_41C19CC6-300B-4DE3-A69F-49DF5C71D300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline On 26 Feb 2012, at 14:55, Dave Symes wrote: > She has a Document.dpd originally created in RISC OS OvPro, it contains > two pictures. > For a friend in an alien environment she wants to re-create the document > in Word. >=20 > No problem with the text content, but how does she get the two pictures > out of the Win OvPro and into the Word doc. >=20 > The only option shown is Save as draw, which is not much help in a Windows > environment (Graphic is actually a sprite inside a Drawfile) Off the top of my head =85 if you have AW2, then import the draw file into = AW and re-export as PDF -- CB --Apple-Mail=_41C19CC6-300B-4DE3-A69F-49DF5C71D300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline
On 26 Feb 20= 12, at 14:55, Dave Symes wrote:

She= has a Document.dpd originally created in RISC OS OvPro, it contains
two= pictures.
For a friend in an alien environment she wants to re-create t= he document
in Word.

No problem with the text content, but how do= es she get the two pictures
out of the Win OvPro and into the Word doc.<= br>
The only option shown is Save as draw, which is not much help in a W= indows
environment (Graphic is actually a sprite inside a Drawfile)

Off the top of my head =85 if you have AW2, th= en import the draw file into AW and re-export as PDF
--
CB

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Sun, 26 Feb 2012 10:13:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xF1FW8M9ynlI for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 10:13:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54F98E9AF9D for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 10:13:18 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,485,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="599668363" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 26 Feb 2012 15:13:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (unknown [192.168.0.100]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440599A005 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:13:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:13:16 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro on Linux (Wine fixed) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3xAoK0CfCmQPFwjR@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <3xAoK0CfCmQPFwjR@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.69.0.3760 (Qt/4.7.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1039 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling On 20 Feb, David Pilling wrote in message <3xAoK0CfCmQPFwjR@pilling.demon.co.uk>: > Anyway I have rebuilt the program to avoid this error. Available from: > > http://www.davidpilling.com/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe > > That takes OP from useless to usable under Wine. That's brilliant! Thank you very much! -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show Saturday 28 April 2012 http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 26 16:37:46 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S1gtJ-10kknw-03-AsU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:37:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S1gtJ-10kknw-03-AsU; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:24:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S1gtJ-10kknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:24:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S1gtF-0007Bu-MF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:24:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21ED3E9852B; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:23:59 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330273439; bh=V+NPeqLkkRci7XDd7jknVejfq3omd5zqNNn3916h 9qw=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=QzDh14ZMxtnq/Fw3EXde5VlvhfY7CWC5Til09irqPqS80OoQ+f 2BowR6CGoZm6vjZxz1dB4rOOC8BfprpJ1jZ+R+xcP1rYhYyPpOarhLpLFHqVnNyBuSD JJ4mvFn/+ni3dgUz1zMRBumhTA5YPBfl3WM5QUmrAqIvnmqQWtbR+k= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mcoXRy6FhXYr; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3211E932D7; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:23:45 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330273438; bh=V+NPeqLkkRci7XDd7jknVejfq3omd5zqNNn3916h 9qw=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Y2umk8UsnSVniQe8U+2GrjOVB9SwsCd5Fc6lIySrb8u8Ta7JIO 56yWj1xE3YI1t3SXVt1+2n/PtwiSRi5rBCs3ZuGHxrZ9nWQauHNS8bt/B8aP5uU1LCd becB3HKdfZsatTUeaYdmTQ1LX5hsSTGTtr8Av0Pe6PEuh2Q+U4i1ZU= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:23:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BF0DE95D69 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:23:45 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GdE5WQz31PYw for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:23:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE043E932D7 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1S1gsw-0006mi-pQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:23:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 16:22:18 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1040 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >No problem with the text content, but how does she get the two pictures >out of the Win OvPro and into the Word doc. Use the export (to disc) picture option in OPW (file->save picture), then use DPScan (for Windows), load Draw, save as whatever you like (.bmp, tiff, png etc.). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120226175910.TYZV22596.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:59:10 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120226175910.BWQO13318.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:59:10 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:59:06 GMT Message-ID: References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=xS-ulD6CNlsA:10 a=RnQEXY_nBmEA:10 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=CGbB9JliVeRFJmPxpuEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=UyOQKMlaMoWb9NpX:21 a=ewdNDXSj2JPcLNAo:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 1041 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes >>No problem with the text content, but how does she get the two pictures >>out of the Win OvPro and into the Word doc. > Use the export (to disc) picture option in OPW (file->save picture), > then use DPScan (for Windows), load Draw, save as whatever you like > (.bmp, tiff, png etc.). Hi I would like to buy a copy of DPScan (for Windows), I never knew there was such a program do I go to your site? Alan (Who knows very little) -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 26 18:22:48 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S1iga-39Nknw-08-95D.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:22:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S1iga-39Nknw-08-95D; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:19:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S1iga-39Nknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:19:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S1igY-0002c9-72 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:19:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 987F1E9B012; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:19:00 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330280340; bh=KyCcwh6sFvRhGuDO3odtw+Z/lfhbfTu2kTYAxWhG Sps=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=jasBF8GGiWils3oCRQsavhYTjhdqD/lHqFHiS/NDxjfPHQy+ta 6s8S0NEkqSgSnD2GsO8lYjkSbW6NwsIKOFDi0UF0rTEvTkSWRbyG05OaYfnoHUHX4Rt 7++VfiHQLnZaBTkYqoyaW7WYyC/GO9X/OvvLTOA0N3k1kCvvfTrCnk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KRbO06XTRerq; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99622E9AD42; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:18:46 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330280339; bh=KyCcwh6sFvRhGuDO3odtw+Z/lfhbfTu2kTYAxWhG Sps=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=jB1wb2E8HaYsvPXtxF8o/REzPxkYWklvkS2ZPn2rnMdv5Dlbkg bziWBC9Zk/h+FYB/ubhJSRksS9Ti0Bv8J4m6bd0fS83TmDoTteDv0l2Ligkx8A2QwH3 Yj2TOnALNGX+l4E+FsO8oexZf3oAkyis5gu1gp6Vc6KcLAOfjAw2iM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:18:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75DECE9AF2A for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:18:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e-kHYS0OtTFQ for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDDA8E9AD42 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 13:18:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1S1igG-00036h-bo for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:18:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:17:50 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1042 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Alan Leighton writes >I would like to buy a copy of DPScan (for Windows), I never knew there >was such a program do I go to your site? It comes free with Ovation Pro for Windows. I set off saying that you had to buy OPW to use it, and it would not work unless OPW was installed, but since I gave up trying I've made it a free download that works regardless. See: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/software.html -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 26 19:22:48 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S1jVc-4f8knw-08-Gmh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:22:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S1jVc-4f8knw-08-Gmh; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:11:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S1jVc-4f8knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:11:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S1jVZ-0005bV-QC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:11:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95680E9AFDF; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:44 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330283504; bh=j6Jsr5uR7QB6uxZnz7vU9PSspBjnUpzPM54Gultf PY8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=WiRjPb PHDA17YrRZOAMAFYvSupckVsPlU80GJ0Hit/KNcn+qX46cjFSgRCyzvzOzOQru7gg2H JR9h6GWTTPHay05xqGyPs6CDm6N+JkfnT9Srm+crbaxr0dS9j8al3ziT7N4oy+9F+CJ GYYlVV5giBT95VYzptTS0NmPY2II1Sk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sy2t2efvFYmL; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15847E9AB3B; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:30 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330283503; bh=j6Jsr5uR7QB6uxZnz7vU9PSspBjnUpzPM54Gultf PY8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=cSQQRj dTrlVkUKSN2GGLj5RCEIbYluesxdKqMMkN4iYhLN3nv8BGASlW6cIh8RP00XBtVF5N+ EQweigGCJFI2b0aSm6qWoqyYCNmOJjbiTPiEq+B6cKUwKGOtQLDWuhncOZaqke4r8hJ Iw0Lqn6otZHWzsGOGD45HYiJn+e3Arg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB532E9AF2D for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:29 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tzKMKnjTyLmZ for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 718DAE9AB3B for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.62.138]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1QJBPsH008234 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:11:26 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:05:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures Message-ID: <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1043 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 26 Feb 2012, at 14:55, Dave Symes wrote: > > She has a Document.dpd originally created in RISC OS OvPro, it > > contains two pictures. For a friend in an alien environment she wants > > to re-create the document in Word. > > > > No problem with the text content, but how does she get the two > > pictures out of the Win OvPro and into the Word doc. > > > > The only option shown is Save as draw, which is not much help in a > > Windows environment (Graphic is actually a sprite inside a Drawfile) > Off the top of my head Y if you have AW2, then import the draw file into > AW and re-export as PDF > CB Two problems as I see it Clive... 1) We are talking Windows Ovation Pro. 2) Artworks doesn't work in a MS-Win environment. Oh and a third... 3) I don't have Artworks. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 26 19:22:49 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S1jVx-2biGPo-02-GmM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:22:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S1jVx-2biGPo-02-GmM; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:12:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S1jVx-2biGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:12:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S1jVp-0002cQ-D4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:12:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56C52E9AFDE; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:47 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330283507; bh=ySYY3TK+b0JXZftW5sVZXd33OpYIt/m1ZwWPzelx 96M=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=TCYt8x cfLPRl2LpKeoDXnCRqPc1mVHraCtUT6DH6JxFMcV7ItfEzLZ8q1Pbzo8JzpbeB/l5ZG 1SYr87xhUiwmYA/wi3Fubl4SUDMuvJ7ri0z3BZRWg+25IRpb3b2K90JSFKB/faCcMOk 1rzbvlum+GyeBxoUu/s2wdCWbN8Ulto= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IrGnyAs7XnK2; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5784AE9AF31; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:32 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330283506; bh=ySYY3TK+b0JXZftW5sVZXd33OpYIt/m1ZwWPzelx 96M=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=arwTNJ pKjIJ/D+Yx3Xpcy5kLH+oGRhgMtLUzOPfz/yv6Cm8VMSNdiAZL25Y85PoaGXOCtBt52 qYSQN0fgoWEvfXOJE8yAgyZ8Y7e4wowgFGteNrwypK4eGnk/DlEzNHkRWxh45zQb4Co VV3ZXT0hvl/zR2IIQ4er3iOjrNIRfKg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 050A9E9AF33 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:32 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QFhsJQzL5Qxb for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E691E9AF31 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.62.138]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1QJBPsJ008234 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:11:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:07:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures Message-ID: <5267b493badave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1044 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >No problem with the text content, but how does she get the two pictures > >out of the Win OvPro and into the Word doc. > Use the export (to disc) picture option in OPW (file->save picture), > then use DPScan (for Windows), load Draw, save as whatever you like > (.bmp, tiff, png etc.). Ah yes, I see that method will work. I'm so used to doing a Copy and Paste from one thing to another in MS_Windows, I didn't understand why Ov and DPScan didn't work with the global clipboard. Thank on her behalf. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 26 19:22:49 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S1jW5-1UIknw-04-GmE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:22:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S1jW5-1UIknw-04-GmE; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:12:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S1jW5-1UIknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:12:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S1jVs-0005vf-Ob for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:12:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0FD9E9B003; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:48 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330283508; bh=vEPQA4l50+IsXfVjT/a4riMBO1qRFOxewyGcIZZW zt4=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=wFToOu Ci9LLeDJ6s7Ce9w7+1Bl2exuRBJHntLKwSxLGUFoto7ptsgZbb7FnucIctTsnwqTtGH wl6hLVJFm00BBxQqonqz72vZl3ZcmVeIzIjetciA8V06Iiou3z8pYE2cJH0trj3ESrq 9ZZhDGUQHfGLMdoIK9F63XV2yMab7co= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5T7PXwJBseQy; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7557CE9AF3E; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:33 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330283507; bh=vEPQA4l50+IsXfVjT/a4riMBO1qRFOxewyGcIZZW zt4=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=oL1PKA hlX9O+ojbJId4fBNZ7Y9celT0rVQj1waEc/wwbqzIozqvof9Yv3C2Ek5Np7dtoQmhyR 4cnWZuQNTBHD+o7Gk5bhurBc0jrtP8pSNhPtM+C+KeQYPZbwN2YnM0bYmaF7A2xNAFV ojoz75DwIR3AbuUIUVPBCPOBYDBJ3RQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 496E8E9AF53 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:33 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q8fyRegnPOja for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF9E6E9AF3E for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.62.138]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1QJBPsL008234 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:11:31 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:09:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures Message-ID: <5267b4c833dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-archive-position: 1045 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Alan Leighton wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > In message <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > > writes > >>No problem with the text content, but how does she get the two pictures > >>out of the Win OvPro and into the Word doc. > > Use the export (to disc) picture option in OPW (file->save picture), > > then use DPScan (for Windows), load Draw, save as whatever you like > > (.bmp, tiff, png etc.). > Hi > I would like to buy a copy of DPScan (for Windows), I never knew there > was such a program do I go to your site? > Alan (Who knows very little) I was under the impression Alan, if you had a bought copy of Win OvPro you could just download and install DPScan for windows. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 26 19:52:48 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S1jxT-10xVbs-08-GKq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:52:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S1jxT-10xVbs-08-GKq; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:40:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S1jxT-10xVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:40:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S1jxS-0003qh-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:40:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 376DAE9B068; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:40:32 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330285232; bh=ySYY3TK+b0JXZftW5sVZXd33OpYIt/m1ZwWPzelx 96M=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Mepqqlcua6d/B/eWb4rIYvwDAHP7GPHmycees98rVfXTP28TAH 2QLsjRzOxnAoes0A256afQuwqP1EvTOMkjOcm3qBnK7cURGMYtskw0ZYjdjHR/nfmeh mVLF/IOCZU/MBUt6IyHy/9jmbnvAGqtWkQjRiUvhVxgYtZSI8fkN3Q= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id coxQJJXXLTeI; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:40:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52714E9B059; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:40:18 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330285231; bh=ySYY3TK+b0JXZftW5sVZXd33OpYIt/m1ZwWPzelx 96M=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=EH/Usz3ZLb6eaZTsjwihLeVrE6R8FQ5HoMGH95jnPu1cLEMVTh e+TUo1Y4DYWBV03wSy7qMMBFYBI4StJfJGhBmUOJt30xP8W/zGb1kvUd5AazFKQ1aMQ Zb6pcGkKJXIX+0qK7WaAkjwm3MvtErqtoRC5HWBl0eX4C/aSsFD3PQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:40:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29929E9B058 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:40:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ub74BC51p57X for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A734CE9B04C for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.62.138]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1QJeCCh009160 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:40:13 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:39:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Win OvPro and pictures Message-ID: <5267b77735dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1046 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >No problem with the text content, but how does she get the two pictures > >out of the Win OvPro and into the Word doc. > Use the export (to disc) picture option in OPW (file->save picture), > then use DPScan (for Windows), load Draw, save as whatever you like > (.bmp, tiff, png etc.). Ah yes, I see that method will work. I'm so used to doing a Copy and Paste from one thing to another in MS_Windows, I didn't understand why Ov and DPScan didn't work with the global clipboard. Thank on her behalf. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 26 19:52:48 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S1jxc-2alVbs-03-GKh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:52:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S1jxc-2alVbs-03-GKh; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:40:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S1jxc-2alVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:40:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S1jxU-0007LM-LC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:40:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A493E9B076; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:40:33 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330285233; bh=j6Jsr5uR7QB6uxZnz7vU9PSspBjnUpzPM54Gultf PY8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=ROuyhHePJVgnbsr5sz01uxw2yk9f6XOLhJnXvKAh+3+e01tm4T A3/a199nQvzHCrxF8lSjzEd2u+PYcCp5GT1iKOr10t75IVkGdf2aOq3YnRiA10HUGTP vTF/czHpV7tuvUiongpKvkKvmdZ6mCudqhAc0itTgZ4u1oBtVSmQ5c= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FqkqEFFpVzUX; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF07DE9B04C; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:40:18 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330285231; bh=j6Jsr5uR7QB6uxZnz7vU9PSspBjnUpzPM54Gultf PY8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=vYjD6oIk+yvowe0TPdYS9PuDRQRZaH/aJNZD0jFjqRxZHqBKSF AGYJ+w0eUek8VZ/qbqHq0VBjQ4SSwUmQrA2PHVOxTqV5uDgXycGsHDSJP8ijpmnrozI 4mV6Lfh3O2BjsNnqZfHVzjSBpEmtLrnslomxh/nebj5nGJ/WonRNdY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:40:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A36C4E9B05A for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:40:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sXUb7sDk39cX for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47951E9B04C for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.62.138]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1QJeCCj009160 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:40:16 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:39:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Win OvPro and pictures Message-ID: <5267b77dbadave@triffid.co.uk> References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1047 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , Clive Bonsall wrote: > On 26 Feb 2012, at 14:55, Dave Symes wrote: > > She has a Document.dpd originally created in RISC OS OvPro, it > > contains two pictures. For a friend in an alien environment she wants > > to re-create the document in Word. > > > > No problem with the text content, but how does she get the two > > pictures out of the Win OvPro and into the Word doc. > > > > The only option shown is Save as draw, which is not much help in a > > Windows environment (Graphic is actually a sprite inside a Drawfile) > Off the top of my head Y if you have AW2, then import the draw file into > AW and re-export as PDF > CB Two problems as I see it Clive... 1) We are talking Windows Ovation Pro. 2) Artworks doesn't work in a MS-Win environment. Oh and a third... 3) I don't have Artworks. 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Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:46:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk (treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.102]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9616CE9B044 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:46:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.149.64]) by treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id q1QJkLu1028531 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:46:21 GMT Received: from [192.168.1.17] (host-89-241-234-5.as13285.net [89.241.234.5]) (authenticated user=cbonsall mech=PLAIN bits=0) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q1QJkM0R004097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:46:23 GMT From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1330285581-26396-20" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:46:22 +0000 In-Reply-To: <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.60, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 129.215.16.102 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 X-archive-position: 1048 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: c.bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1330285581-26396-20 Received: from [192.168.1.17] (host-89-241-234-5.as13285.net [89.241.234.5]) (authenticated user=cbonsall mech=PLAIN bits=0) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q1QJkM0R004097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:46:23 GMT From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B0D156D5-E687-4F29-91AE-665F9B2EB0AD" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Win OvPro and pictures Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:46:22 +0000 In-Reply-To: <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.52, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 --Apple-Mail=_B0D156D5-E687-4F29-91AE-665F9B2EB0AD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline On 26 Feb 2012, at 19:05, Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > Clive Bonsall wrote: >=20 >> On 26 Feb 2012, at 14:55, Dave Symes wrote: >>>=20 >>> No problem with the text content, but how does she get the two >>> pictures out of the Win OvPro and into the Word doc. >>>=20 >>> The only option shown is Save as draw, which is not much help in a >>> Windows environment (Graphic is actually a sprite inside a Drawfile) >=20 >> Off the top of my head Y if you have AW2, then import the draw file into >> AW and re-export as PDF >> CB >=20 > Two problems as I see it Clive... > 1) We are talking Windows Ovation Pro. > 2) Artworks doesn't work in a MS-Win environment. >=20 > Oh and a third... > 3) I don't have Artworks. Hmmm =85 I had expected you were also RISCOS user. If you are, then there m= y be other (free) software that will enable you to "convert" draw files to = pdf. David's DPScan solution only gives you a bitmap, or so I assume. If the ori= ginal is a vector image and you want to keep it as such (assuming draw expo= rt from OPW leaves the file as vector), then you need something that will c= onvert .AFF files into a Windows-friendly vector format. FWIW, there is a f= ree piece of software called OakDraw (downloadable from http://www.dialsolu= tions.com/oakdraw/index.html) which (it claims) will import DRAW files and = export SVG and WMF. -- Clive Bonsall= --Apple-Mail=_B0D156D5-E687-4F29-91AE-665F9B2EB0AD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline
On 26 Feb 20= 12, at 19:05, Dave Symes wrote:

In article <EE26D8BC-C820-40F4-84C9-7256EFC250D8@= ed.ac.uk>,
  Clive Bonsall <c.bonsall@ed.ac.uk> wrote:

On 26 Feb 2012, at 14:55, Dave Symes wrote:

No problem with the text content, but h= ow does she get the two
=
pictures out of the Win OvPro and into the Word d= oc.

The only option shown is Save as draw, which is not much h= elp in a
Windows environment (Graphic is actually a sprite inside a D= rawfile)

Off the= top of my head Y if you have AW2, then import the draw file into
AW and re-export as PDF
CB

Two problems as I see it Cli= ve...
1) We are talking Windows Ovation Pro.
2) Artworks doesn't work= in a MS-Win environment.

Oh and a third...
3) I don't have Artwo= rks.

Hmmm =85 I had expected you were also= RISCOS user. If you are, then there my be other (free) software that will = enable you to "convert" draw files to pdf.

David's= DPScan solution only gives you a bitmap, or so I assume. If the original i= s a vector image and you want to keep it as such (assuming draw export from= OPW leaves the file as vector), then you need something that will convert = .AFF files into a Windows-friendly vector format. FWIW, there is a free pie= ce of software called OakDraw (downloadable from http://www.dialsolutions.com/oakdraw/inde= x.html) which (it claims) will import DRAW files and export SVG and WMF= .

--
Clive Bonsall
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If you are, then there > my be other (free) software that will enable you to "convert" draw files > to pdf. We are both still RO users Clive, and probably will 'til the day we kick the bucket, but we are also long time MS-Win users. > David's DPScan solution only gives you a bitmap, or so I assume. If the > original is a vector image and you want to keep it as such (assuming > draw export from OPW leaves the file as vector), then you need something > that will convert .AFF files into a Windows-friendly vector format. > FWIW, there is a free piece of software called OakDraw (downloadable > from http://www.dialsolutions.com/oakdraw/index.html) which (it claims) > will import DRAW files and export SVG and WMF. > Clive Bonsall Unfortunately OakDraw is not very good, I have something somewhat better called "AspexDraw" (Not freeware though) when I require it. Though that's not a problem as the OvPro material is only being copied to a Word document, the originals remain as they were. Thanks for your thoughts, but the graphic export out of Win OvPro, then into Win-DPScan works very well. The only fly in the ointment for me, is the lack of global clipboard support. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 26 21:07:49 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S1l4y-3ULVbs-06-FDL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:07:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S1l4y-3ULVbs-06-FDL; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:52:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S1l4y-3ULVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:52:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S1l4w-0003uu-Hs for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:52:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30B10E9747C; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:52:21 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330289541; bh=k58NzLh9Xuo/ZcDgd3XH8vU2QEzc8LeHTi6bKcbE Au4=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=LM8FUh+x9lLXeg0mFXOtcMO0FbyHl1u5Uaeu4wBut4za4fVQ2Q TLBhigWaI4I4oqO3Q4/541AdF6isLi52UAtqAjbZ94c+aLM52pD3/i6ZXmumlYj991N gV6joKH00KXCgst+3aRFHMDH20dqWSv5LVfQq+xMXmMnKFgk/ZUkYM= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id poTSmxEPirvt; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF629E501B2; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:52:07 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330289540; bh=k58NzLh9Xuo/ZcDgd3XH8vU2QEzc8LeHTi6bKcbE Au4=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=YSxgYrTv3aXV5e8+FgcCLaqw7KK/T/4cbgWc/ODmcx7TLTTxh4 fTRPS5eIfTDgH/ecyLaIWX2E1lPstzzSMMZluxWm25lG3ghz94aK+968Fqv7O9kOXYx D3uaS4UGWhhmjcLhfd4ERGt6bxktgiHudPt23ARhdp8qyilwtnpDF0= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:52:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79F6EE96A0B for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:52:07 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7IMaWW76yPlM for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:52:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CBFE9E96304 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:52:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1S1l4e-0001l7-Yx for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:52:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 20:51:59 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1050 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Clive Bonsall writes >David's DPScan solution only gives you a bitmap, or so I assume. This is true, but I assumed that was the situation, it was common to use Draw files as a way of containing sprites with resolution information. >original is a vector image and you want to keep it as such (assuming draw >export from OPW leaves the file as vector) Yes, it does, what you put in, is what comes out. >, then you need something that will >convert .AFF files into a Windows-friendly vector format. There is software for RISC OS, Draw->WMF. Another option, the insides of Windows are based on WMF, when OP prints a Draw file it effectively converts it to WMF (pity it won't let you save it), anyway I guess there are Windows printer drivers around that let you save the print out as a WMF. As there are PDF printer drivers, and things like SPrinter (my program for RISC OS) that let you save print jobs as PDF and bitmaps. Picking up Dave's comment - yep pity you can't copy Draw files via the clipboard, but there are complications. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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26 Feb 2012 22:49:46 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <4BDE9E03B7554221A41714ECF0F07484@JOHN> From: "J LEEMING" To: References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b77dbadave@triffid.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:50:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-archive-position: 1051 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jleeming231@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling > In article , > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> On 26 Feb 2012, at 14:55, Dave Symes wrote: > >> > She has a Document.dpd originally created in RISC OS OvPro, it >> > contains two pictures. For a friend in an alien environment she wants >> > to re-create the document in Word. >> > >> > No problem with the text content, but how does she get the two >> > pictures out of the Win OvPro and into the Word doc. >> > How about extracting the pictures in a RISCOS environment first? John L. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 27 12:11:44 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S1uRR-03IVbs-04-ENO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:11:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S1uRR-03IVbs-04-ENO; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 06:52:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S1uRR-03IVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 06:52:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S1uRQ-0007Kx-20 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 06:52:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9873E9B07C; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:52:10 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330325530; bh=QN+JlrUTZRL7Zr3Mw9g2m8lhlqF+wh9gmeSnEq+a 8Xg=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=PpKtp1 1cLD1MM1UIpJAjz46O7H85zBN34NZnRpRu6/7P2LinXG4+rXbOkw2Wiw1+5+s/ezu6J MqeCvvrk+Vm34uh8iqNU7XdyWorQp4AO6kUvMzuXWl1IPdprpuSjOB0LCxgvwIDufB1 BJ++Z6x3HaG/Yxrapc+rZxw8QWE+ieY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EjgxN2VHkqd9; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21863E9AD16; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:51:57 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330325529; bh=QN+JlrUTZRL7Zr3Mw9g2m8lhlqF+wh9gmeSnEq+a 8Xg=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=OCG8aY i7jYkVOuCjw4lIuTD9Mor5oiEZZw3mX6ywxgkhBKFr7FwqqLz5WUfqGr3+P4jJR38bR Ymeh49c5cuJ34O9Fy4T18tQR/RsndI3qoxNKTxIv8A8k4CZmYUpwpHirKBaF/BdyoZ3 bmiBxUXiYQlxtH8zhNBxZjHfIpvkrZI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:51:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9DFCE9AD18 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:51:56 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0oEfM7KU4bWw for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:51:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B099E9AD16 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([109.176.196.35]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1R6pisu027661 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 06:51:45 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 06:42:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures Message-ID: <5267f43664dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4BDE9E03B7554221A41714ECF0F07484@JOHN> References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b77dbadave@triffid.co.uk> <4BDE9E03B7554221A41714ECF0F07484@JOHN> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1052 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <4BDE9E03B7554221A41714ECF0F07484@JOHN>, J LEEMING wrote: > > In article , > > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > > >> On 26 Feb 2012, at 14:55, Dave Symes wrote: > > > >> > She has a Document.dpd originally created in RISC OS OvPro, it > >> > contains two pictures. For a friend in an alien environment she > >> > wants to re-create the document in Word. > >> > > >> > No problem with the text content, but how does she get the two > >> > pictures out of the Win OvPro and into the Word doc. > >> > > How about extracting the pictures in a RISCOS environment first? > John L. Appreciate your thought... But. That's too obvious... besides, the original pictures reside on her SARPC so wouldn't need extracting if we did it that way. Whole point of the exercise is to do the job on the machine that has Word installed, otherwise it becomes a mess of shuffling things over the LAN between computers... And as, RO and WIN (and other OS) users, we do enough of that already. The Extract WinOvPro graphics to disk, thus into WinDPScan, then out (Probably Jpeg) and into the Word document is simple and effective. Once we'd got that sorted, well, she finished the document ages ago. 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27 Feb 2012 09:23:17 +0000 GMT Message-ID: From: "J LEEMING" To: References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b77dbadave@triffid.co.uk> <4BDE9E03B7554221A41714ECF0F07484@JOHN> <5267f43664dave@triffid.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:23:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-archive-position: 1053 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jleeming231@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling > In article <4BDE9E03B7554221A41714ECF0F07484@JOHN>, > J LEEMING wrote: > >> How about extracting the pictures in a RISCOS environment first? > >> John L. > > Appreciate your thought... > But. > That's too obvious... besides, the original pictures reside on her SARPC > so wouldn't need extracting if we did it that way. > > Whole point of the exercise is to do the job on the machine that has Word > installed, otherwise it becomes a mess of shuffling things over the LAN > between computers... And as, RO and WIN (and other OS) users, we do enough > of that already. > > The Extract WinOvPro graphics to disk, thus into WinDPScan, then out > (Probably Jpeg) and into the Word document is simple and effective. > > Once we'd got that sorted, well, she finished the document ages ago. > > Dave Let us hope that Word doesn't go berserk in the way it sometimes can do when you put the pictures in! John L. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 27 12:12:02 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S1yGQ-4Dx000-02-AYP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:12:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S1yGQ-4Dx000-02-AYP; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:57:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S1yGQ-4Dx000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:57:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S1yGH-0002DN-P5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:57:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14147E99888; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:56:55 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330340215; bh=Zf0Vh7LObdVr9JexSnZCAge6Ba4Z44ktcpSVN2iU Ktc=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=M+VL60B+Ho2jxyFM7Tsj7OlJEId9lrO6ituU6D2iVnwdPsI+Eb faeIaYL0nOnTKEbTn3Z3KfvsPsQ4zCIhObRC8VLsMmmA1skElGKBek6+xOAyEbZhgp0 i7erBoUH12aWLHgrYtjCWrfV5Bt99sIkVm+nDKFpL6CjeNak9FvkTk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V3j0EHWyawz2; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C468E9984E; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:56:41 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330340214; bh=Zf0Vh7LObdVr9JexSnZCAge6Ba4Z44ktcpSVN2iU Ktc=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Y3Yq6ki2h6BciVYcBwf/n7CtJY7xsi3vD0pzWiuvf58NIAFC/M ocbYxVCqpPL+xgo2c3BuxQBHAgCGJRA4L4siQhPftMeNgxKeXZOdh6toNq0t2MYwSJ6 IBtIwhI4wwStxjK4ss3op5xerxcXAVeHf4OSiYPD5/IsVv1JRYRJss= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:56:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FE78E99851 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:56:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fOaJbCQLqEqz for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from outbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (outbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net [212.11.70.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB1CEE9984E for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from outbound-edge-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (bonnie.gradwell.net [212.11.70.2]) by outbound-queue-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2A722617 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:56:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from host109-157-67-121.range109-157.btcentralplus.com (HELO Nails.nails.abbeypress.net) (109.157.67.121) (smtp-auth username jim%pop3.archivemag.co.uk, mechanism cram-md5) by outbound-edge-2.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTPA; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:56:36 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro and pictures -- Artworks To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:05:01 GMT Message-ID: <68bc066852.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Gradwell-MongoId: 4f4b6164.3b36-3bac-2 X-Gradwell-Auth-Method: mailbox X-Gradwell-Auth-Credentials: jim@pop3.archivemag.co.uk X-archive-position: 1054 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling David Pilling wrote on 26 Feb: > ... it was common to use Draw files as a way of containing sprites > with resolution information. When OPro receives a sprite it wraps it into a drawfile for this reason, and thus is able to display resolution info for the sprite in the OPro graphics dialogues. Curious Q: if the sprite arrives wrapped in an Artworks file instead of a drawfile, does OPro also see the resolution info? What's the mechanism involved? -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 27 12:26:15 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S1zbb-088GPo-05-9DE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:26:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S1zbb-088GPo-05-9DE; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:23:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S1zbb-088GPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:23:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S1zbX-0004wr-AO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:23:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDD69E99B85; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:22:56 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330345376; bh=v1RBT3YTS8z1kQ6nt5jZGpakSKo4JVcL8ZugCH2r Yzg=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=IHZEb+1PFU378vVVeLq0wgZmJEsxSE7BAo/YBBvNXqdP1rK+ks hlAsvQik2wtwAPTXnxDVvEXT2drgG9JJiPg7aF1+BdS9dv0UboQaYTN8PUVUK2VlgPg 7B+04eLzi4SR/yemKkrocsyDlA8k6mFyS7FyUkFZ2MOZxyGS7txQus= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kDk4jNJWgzgw; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29063E99B4A; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:22:43 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330345375; bh=v1RBT3YTS8z1kQ6nt5jZGpakSKo4JVcL8ZugCH2r Yzg=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=kt7zwZB9b0nk1VjjTZv6p/hl7MlPlAFTtYvWHWbSVxHqnf/Qah LZaO9JdG2+5l8S1osiQEDgr4RdZNOPQ+Vc3P18IanVrWXcDIFeOUfxV+1Ut1uR/F9j7 bTaO3UoSEcsFPxPmyvvx+649dnLe+eiPiNpE1sxN721Hxwv3S9GQpA= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:22:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFB73E99B5F for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:22:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Ywyh1vK-33d for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68E4EE99B4A for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:22:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1S1zbF-0003JF-kc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:22:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:21:21 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and pictures -- Artworks References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> <68bc066852.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> In-Reply-To: <68bc066852.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1055 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <68bc066852.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel writes >When OPro receives a sprite it wraps it into a drawfile for this >reason, and thus is able to display resolution info for the sprite in >the OPro graphics dialogues. Oh no it does not. Wrapping sprites in Draw files was a Computer Concepts innovation. I believe a sprite is a sprite. Put a sprite in, get a sprite out. [1] Old fashioned sprites come in 45, 90 and 180dpi fixed resolutions. The new ones that came in with the RISC PC have the potential for variable resolution. Not sure if anyone uses that or if software would be happy with odd values. >Curious Q: if the sprite arrives wrapped in an Artworks file instead >of a drawfile, does OPro also see the resolution info? What's the >mechanism involved? Yes if a sprite came in an ArtWorks file the resolution info would be preserved. The mechanism is that a vector file (Draw or AW) says "this bitmap is 6 inches by 4 inches". All is obvious after that, because you know how many pixels, and you know the linear dimensions, so you can calculate the resolution in dots per inch. [1] However internally OP does make sprites look like Draw files because it has to be able to render Draw files with sprites in (same applies to JPEGs). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Wrapping sprites in Draw files was a Computer > Concepts innovation. > > I believe a sprite is a sprite. Put a sprite in, get a sprite out. [1] > Is it possible to keep PNG's as PNG files - as !Easiwrite' seems to do -to save OP's file size? Thanks -- Colin Ferris Cornwall UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 27 15:55:17 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S22mZ-2FhGPo-07-EYm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:55:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S22mZ-2FhGPo-07-EYm; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:46:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S22mZ-2FhGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:46:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S22mJ-0005BJ-BO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:46:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC494E9B338; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:20:30 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk (treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.102]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01F2BE9B381 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.149.64]) by treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id q1RFJguS012233 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:19:46 GMT Received: from [192.168.1.17] (host-89-241-234-5.as13285.net [89.241.234.5]) (authenticated user=cbonsall mech=PLAIN bits=0) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q1RFJbId002573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:19:42 GMT From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1330355986-9241-90" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:19:37 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-Id: <6428672D-6BC2-4F47-9F73-27A98E9D9F66@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.60, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 129.215.16.102 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 X-archive-position: 1057 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: c.bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1330355986-9241-90 Received: from [192.168.1.17] (host-89-241-234-5.as13285.net [89.241.234.5]) (authenticated user=cbonsall mech=PLAIN bits=0) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q1RFJbId002573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:19:42 GMT From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_ADC845C6-981A-48BD-8C32-32FD22A6F50A" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Win OvPro and pictures Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:19:37 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-Id: <6428672D-6BC2-4F47-9F73-27A98E9D9F66@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.52, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 --Apple-Mail=_ADC845C6-981A-48BD-8C32-32FD22A6F50A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On 26 Feb 2012, at 20:51, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, >=20 > In message , Clive Bonsall= writes >> David's DPScan solution only gives you a bitmap, or so I assume. >=20 > This is true, but I assumed that was the situation, it was common to use = Draw files as a way of containing sprites with resolution information. >=20 >> original is a vector image and you want to keep it as such (assuming draw >> export from OPW leaves the file as vector) >=20 > Yes, it does, what you put in, is what comes out. >=20 >> , then you need something that will >> convert .AFF files into a Windows-friendly vector format. >=20 > There is software for RISC OS, Draw->WMF. A quick experiment suggests MSWORD v11 for Mac OS doesn't like WMF files > Picking up Dave's comment - yep pity you can't copy Draw files via the cl= ipboard, but there are complications. I still live in hope that one day OPW will support the Windows global clipb= oard -- I can live without copying images via the clipboard, but to be able= to copy text and retain the basic formatting would be wonderful. -- Clive Bonsall= --Apple-Mail=_ADC845C6-981A-48BD-8C32-32FD22A6F50A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline
On 26 Feb 20= 12, at 20:51, David Pilling wrote:

Hi,

In message <B95C0734-F00E-4404-AF77= -673C7D5CF117@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall <c.bonsall@ed.ac.uk> writes
David's DPScan solution only gives you a bitmap, or so I assume.

This is true, but I assumed that was the situation, it was commo= n to use Draw files as a way of containing sprites with resolution informat= ion.

original is a vector image and you wa= nt to keep it as such (assuming draw
export from OPW leaves the file as vector)

Yes, it = does, what you put in, is what comes out.

= , then you need something that will
convert .AFF files into a Windows-friendly vector format.

There is software for RISC OS, Draw->WMF.

A quick experiment suggests MSWORD v11 for Mac OS doesn't like= WMF files

Picking up Dave= 's comment - yep pity you can't copy Draw files via the clipboard, but ther= e are complications.

I still live in hope = that one day OPW will support the Windows global clipboard -- I can live wi= thout copying images via the clipboard, but to be able to copy text and ret= ain the basic formatting would be wonderful.
--
Clive Bonsall
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Well yes it is possible, but not likely. I can offer you JPEG, they're kept intact inside OP documents. Oddly enough I was going to comment on Dave Symes posting that I am not a fan of taking bitmaps that are non-photographic and saving them as JPEG. There's a fashion in programming at the moment "optimisation is bad", presumably justified by memory size going from 32K to 4GB (131072 times) in 30 years. What's the point saving a few bytes. I was wrong when I said "what you put in to OP you get out", because the 'transloader' conversion system (invented by Computer Concepts) converts things like PNG, TIFF etc. into Sprites in the document. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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(to OPW and DPScan). >, but to be able to copy >text and retain the basic formatting would be wonderful. I have a dim memory - something about tweeking the RTF loader so that formatted text would work from the clipboard - so that RTF would be allowed via the clipboard, as opposed to the current plain text import. Did I do that, or did I set off to do it and then forget. Matters to consider over afternoon tea. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk (nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.205]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E795E9A8FA for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.149.64]) by nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id q1RHQhjA021972 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:26:43 GMT Received: from [192.168.1.17] (host-89-241-234-5.as13285.net [89.241.234.5]) (authenticated user=cbonsall mech=PLAIN bits=0) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q1RHQgHF018484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:26:43 GMT From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1330363603-17475-49" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:26:42 +0000 In-Reply-To: <6MZ7VqExo6SPFwxx@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> <6428672D-6BC2-4F47-9F73-27A98E9D9F66@ed.ac.uk> <6MZ7VqExo6SPFwxx@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <93FBA3A4-9433-44D2-96F1-692039B2C626@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.60, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 129.215.13.205 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 X-archive-position: 1060 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: c.bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1330363603-17475-49 Received: from [192.168.1.17] (host-89-241-234-5.as13285.net [89.241.234.5]) (authenticated user=cbonsall mech=PLAIN bits=0) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q1RHQgHF018484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:26:43 GMT From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8C80C34E-C2F8-49D7-B047-EEE6D9FD83CE" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Win OvPro and pictures Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:26:42 +0000 In-Reply-To: <6MZ7VqExo6SPFwxx@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> <6428672D-6BC2-4F47-9F73-27A98E9D9F66@ed.ac.uk> <6MZ7VqExo6SPFwxx@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: <93FBA3A4-9433-44D2-96F1-692039B2C626@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.52, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 --Apple-Mail=_8C80C34E-C2F8-49D7-B047-EEE6D9FD83CE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline On 27 Feb 2012, at 16:07, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, >=20 > In message <6428672D-6BC2-4F47-9F73-27A98E9D9F66@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall= writes >> I still live in hope that one day OPW will support the Windows global cl= ipboard >=20 > It does=85 ?????????????? >> -- I can live without copying images via the clipboard >=20 > I copy images via the windows clipboard all the time... (to OPW and DPSca= n). But not directly from OPW to, say, WORD =85 >> , but to be able to copy >> text and retain the basic formatting would be wonderful. >=20 > I have a dim memory - something about tweeking the RTF loader so that for= matted text would work from the clipboard - so that RTF would be allowed vi= a the clipboard, as opposed to the current plain text import. Did I do that= , or did I set off to do it and then forget. We had a discussion about it a while back =85 and you were "going to look i= nto it". -- Clive Bonsall --Apple-Mail=_8C80C34E-C2F8-49D7-B047-EEE6D9FD83CE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline
On 27 Feb 20= 12, at 16:07, David Pilling wrote:

Hi,

In message <6428672D-6BC2-4F47-9F73= -27A98E9D9F66@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall <c.bonsall@ed.ac.uk> writes
I still live in hope that one day OPW will support the Windows global clip= board

It does=85

?= ?????????????

-- I can live without copying images via the clipboard

I copy images via the windows clipboard all the time... (to OPW a= nd DPScan).

But not directly from OPW = to, say, WORD =85

, but to be able to copy
text and retain the basic formatting would be wonderful.

I have a dim memory - something about tweeking the RTF loader so th= at formatted text would work from the clipboard - so that RTF would be allo= wed via the clipboard, as opposed to the current plain text import. Did I d= o that, or did I set off to do it and then forget.

We had a discussion about it a while back =85 and you were "go= ing to look into it".
--
Clive Bonsall
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Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:24:45 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TjJFrNHPMUHD for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:24:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07ACCE950F9 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1S25FO-0002MI-ik for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:24:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:23:46 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> <6428672D-6BC2-4F47-9F73-27A98E9D9F66@ed.ac.uk> <6MZ7VqExo6SPFwxx@pilling.demon.co.uk> <93FBA3A4-9433-44D2-96F1-692039B2C626@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <93FBA3A4-9433-44D2-96F1-692039B2C626@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1061 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <93FBA3A4-9433-44D2-96F1-692039B2C626@ed.ac.uk>, Clive=20 Bonsall writes >> I still live in hope that one day OPW will support the Windows global >> clipboard > It does=E2=80=A6 >?????????????? > I copy images via the windows clipboard all the time... (to OPW and > DPScan). >But not directly from OPW to, say, WORD =E2=80=A6 I don't have MS Word. Lets take the Open Office equivalent. Print Screen (snap of desktop->clipboard) Open Office paste Open Office copy OPW paste - picture of desktop in OPW OPW double click on picture, copy Open Office paste - picture in Open Office. (plain) text also works. Now there are many catches, like sprites are not going to work and you=20 have to select the picture and not the frame. I have to admit I sometimes find that DPScan will not paste from the=20 clipboard, I presume this is because the file types on offer on the=20 clipboard are not in the right order. So it may be there's a bug which is a show stopper in some situations,=20 but if so, that is to be fixed. It is not that there is some shortcoming=20 or something that I have decided not to do. As to 'directly' i.e. direct drag and drop, no. That would require OLE=20 which I set off to do once and didn't get very far with. I'll report later about the RTF formatted text thing. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR.= UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 27 18:55:20 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S25hs-1hrVbs-03-BdT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:55:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S25hs-1hrVbs-03-BdT; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:53:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S25hs-1hrVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:53:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S25hk-0002Yn-Ct for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:53:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92E86E943CA; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:53:31 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330368811; bh=uVo164aD+PgnsCU7xJx58WboeA4e58Ls63vIBljm 0c8=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=qnhtjUIWAFvjGZMLnTzqFgvGFIG4k8spkh2RK71c7IoV4Isz4s UTPUiYmXD91Qd1n9PFQEAgcWEThu+Ab/uUcsSdh+RTQD8xAYJ6+JPX5UIBQL9dd/3qY 0kKnJxIcL8bPfAHGaFFb0nQpLGgeBBM0MW7dGC2G4aC0wJ0fDeFLlY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yo3nMiZ1ROU2; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:53:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA32DE9846C; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:53:17 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330368810; bh=uVo164aD+PgnsCU7xJx58WboeA4e58Ls63vIBljm 0c8=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=H8QKjASZ1mb/E0tmyhrx7jnhvUXYdLx4DEF87TIdqk0H6djZad OAQO92nsvWTxQzmo0DrFbyHaRa76QWmqeL+FYOBgX2qD5XmnuHqGwVeKoy4EqJC4ARB iXsWGOJxi7r2TB5KRAvLI/GXptOBwHRsnmsVwCMLrgKvuvRKZLxRGM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:53:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A04DFE9A039 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:53:17 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VcEUnUC8orNy for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 104E1E9846C for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (95-89-83-248-dynip.superkabel.de [95.89.83.248]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lj8u3-1SZEzE3ZwF-00d2Q4; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:53:16 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and pictures -- Artworks To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:52:31 +0100 Message-ID: <8207376852.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> <68bc066852.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.03 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:1zi996KP58DvQSgdJWXnCFJkvDFBt5gZTfq4OCWXosi XPuswVPxnYY1v7Uj1xhjmKKmyX1Brh0ofleBSMm8EFOQpIQWrA SgCZmiy7xo3wnkqGnxcHB4bi5WJweCTcVk0DM+89ItQDXIwbFV I6ddvVRpSb4DOsFdgcCP5VqF/8a62MD7Hy4IcNo70TlFYPWZlu beP/6uzFp7ffVkjD7eErqWgz4rtTq9wfP08b/f/mKJz8lWzLGB ssdUwEwVwNw+SYRrtI+wiOm+vYuq8mACeN6zPBBOEcjEvE7ywu pIjDr66m5f4RMID6h7kYkTSL8iB6VxFc2+45uTDLQ4YOlGJMQ= = X-archive-position: 1062 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message David Pilling wrote: > Old fashioned sprites come in 45, 90 and 180dpi fixed resolutions. > The new ones that came in with the RISC PC have the potential for > variable resolution. Not sure if anyone uses that or if software would > be happy with odd values. I do not think RISC OS itself would be happy with odd values. One reason is that you can redirect output to a sprite, and all rendering routines make use of screen Eigen factors, which are only defined for resolutions that are of the form R=180/(2^Eig) with an integral Eig>=0. So, the only accepted dpi values are 22 (meaning 22.5), 45, 90 and 180, and 180 is only fully supported on RISC OS 5. >>Curious Q: if the sprite arrives wrapped in an Artworks file instead >>of a drawfile, does OPro also see the resolution info? What's the >>mechanism involved? > Yes if a sprite came in an ArtWorks file the resolution info would be > preserved. The mechanism is that a vector file (Draw or AW) says "this > bitmap is 6 inches by 4 inches". Yes, the size is known to OvationPro, but in contrast to a Draw file, OvationPro cannot see the sprite inside the ArtWorks file. > All is obvious after that, because you know how many pixels, and you > know the linear dimensions, so you can calculate the resolution in dots > per inch. Not so obvious, I am afraid, since OvationPro has no way of finding out the pixel size of the sprite. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 27 19:40:22 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S26Mn-3jHknw-04-AyY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:40:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S26Mn-3jHknw-04-AyY; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:36:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S26Mn-3jHknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:36:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S26Mf-0006wM-SY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:36:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F23F4E9B48A; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:36:02 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330371363; bh=U/Jk+FiL3kBgpbBWeRi4CeMWoNR3Cl4kX4qpknLU uuE=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=h0wvp5 uNo4t7Irh5NydbORxjzj4mNxQm9zjkopvju5CjBxjSxO0dMiiWdcQFRjsguuhg0yYBG ieerwOilHaaLGgBz1iYv4V2wDK59O4z0TjYEuoapaSL9cRp3u1o8yphDWeEDY0muNue 73JuKxmCJcGBzH1wMzFeQpBXi/S3xDk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lJdwriwZH9Kq; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4EF3AE976CD; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:35:48 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330371361; bh=U/Jk+FiL3kBgpbBWeRi4CeMWoNR3Cl4kX4qpknLU uuE=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=vrrzP8 kRJHCnChCSC8+3TNeMgo+jl0pV/RKSq8atPlEnQI7w5OvItp/8zfkC7XiqMd/S4s5oN pToGyjWtGzBcIi5n0/SKkWUFJBcadTXZv3cd1QU4D6C/zI9Qt1D+5l4cCVIFVmPwpyt 0YaThqs84mofVvbbK9Ea6FFGxenOZVM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:35:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8256E9B3D1 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:35:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rKhWiggnlS4M for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67E29E976CD for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:35:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.49.108]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1RJZejb023770 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:35:44 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:03:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and pictures -- Artworks Message-ID: <5268381320dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> <68bc066852.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> <0f96216852.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <0f96216852.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>, Colin Ferris > writes > >Is it possible to keep PNG's as PNG files - as !Easiwrite' seems to do > >-to save OP's file size? > Well yes it is possible, but not likely. > I can offer you JPEG, they're kept intact inside OP documents. > Oddly enough I was going to comment on Dave Symes posting that I am not > a fan of taking bitmaps that are non-photographic and saving them as > JPEG. > There's a fashion in programming at the moment "optimisation is bad", > presumably justified by memory size going from 32K to 4GB (131072 times) > in 30 years. What's the point saving a few bytes. > I was wrong when I said "what you put in to OP you get out", because the > 'transloader' conversion system (invented by Computer Concepts) converts > things like PNG, TIFF etc. into Sprites in the document. With regard to bitmap graphic files... On the RISC OS side I obviously use DPScan, but that said, I don't do much bitmap work on RO these days because of the tedious amount of time it takes to do an action. (No criticism of DPScan, it just the RO machine is so slow. (Even SARPC) Instead I prefer to, and have done so for many years, use PaintShop Pro on my big beast Windows machine. Obviously not many other Win apps can handle PSP files, and of course nothing on RO can, so my preferred general purpose file is PNG, but this is a problem for OvPro and DPScan, in that any PNG containing transparency fails because the transparent area is (usually) displayed black. Personally, I'm not a fan of Non-photographic Jpegs either as the Jpeg artefacting can be quite apparent in plain graphic images. Dave The images that SWMBO was working with in the OvPro to Word business that prompted my original question, were photographic, and were, when the document was completed, being attached to an email, so I guess she used DPScan produced Jpegs to keep the document size reasonable. (As if that happens with Word Docs). -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 27 19:40:22 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S26Mp-1s7000-02-AyW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:40:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S26Mp-1s7000-02-AyW; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:36:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S26Mp-1s7000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:36:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S26Mm-0007Jr-Gd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:36:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B227AE9B2A1; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:36:01 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330371361; bh=RiCmVmwRsj7IPhaFuzypKhMIVmkShb00JpnykcAy y7Q=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=vhnNgc uahdkOVzxiZXZ0V8IYNgpEJKgHRvIBWFan0PmNrRKwSxge46m8aLQK16lx5WzMS1BH3 yHF3kaphp4uhwLK0qI8tDcdIZi1tVgmpbh9zVny8KAF46Sz8Dytz0QjhD6LzTzqZmNM SM+K46HRTt8KukZ59Fdf0IpRtDqAJLE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9trr4kg8b8q2; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B35AE951B0; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:35:48 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330371360; bh=RiCmVmwRsj7IPhaFuzypKhMIVmkShb00JpnykcAy y7Q=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=iRyku1 MmyP1gqHgxgoZJtK15Lb82+/sdJ6y1B1LrZflJjkzv24lzRhDIYSJzuowcDrFatrXFr KOdwCDLd/gG0FVzIFNcqdUKI8/WurxtawBvckocGyCwmOakJmt4DaOx9fGFifZBdYk3 vxHEUI2NIJ727rxv0j9EhWSvb+GZ8Ks= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:35:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E54A8E9B2A1 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:35:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xvVN9Kt5HCSy for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61133E951B0 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.49.108]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1RJZejd023770 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:35:45 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:33:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures Message-ID: <52683abfc9dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6MZ7VqExo6SPFwxx@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> <6428672D-6BC2-4F47-9F73-27A98E9D9F66@ed.ac.uk> <6MZ7VqExo6SPFwxx@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1063 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <6MZ7VqExo6SPFwxx@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, [Snippy] > I copy images via the windows clipboard all the time... (to OPW and > DPScan). Indeed that's true in some respects. For example, I can Copy out of PSP and Paste into Win OvPro etc. But I cannot (ever) Copy the graphic in OvPro to the clipboard and thereafter Paste it into anything, even DPScan. That is the PITA bit, that requires a Save each image to disk etc. Obviously a graphic will copy from one OvPro document and paste to another OvPro document, but that's all). [Snippy] Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 27 21:40:10 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S28BP-4EkVbs-04-99w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:40:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S28BP-4EkVbs-04-99w; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:32:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S28BP-4EkVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:32:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S28BI-0004OJ-5S for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:32:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3FB9E9B403; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:32:24 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330378344; bh=apUW79/C1XJchCZAKAp1zwXQoL11tDbxraF430j5 Npk=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=oLjksKvfIggP5pyELOiGj5CinitO5NR1HEaZMsGGnziOkZxS4M AoCkjBVA67BytvOPo3k4taw3BgUFfsJVl7Ad0eCWxqsQS8BGEOS9S5Mnl8kXtks8Zua Om9TKZ3nNzUgNPvtTBozrwhAvL/SIUcYA8GWHaLzN9UQuRsN37Bi1Y= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hfCsDNaLNXrY; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46C77E9B36D; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:32:11 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330378343; bh=apUW79/C1XJchCZAKAp1zwXQoL11tDbxraF430j5 Npk=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=tsYTbUbEDwWJEnnszmwYdzSRoOiuzjw/eh2YaSs1O0X2pwgxNB juM34xVZkOsbdhwfb8oCODesHDBfuhnWQndLBhfcRMLJVBAD5cz2YbKOT1i1ePg4PL2 AyOsTlBIPOXna14KOB3WEh4hZgayi6RJ5pqVJlfrM039Wpd+TxpqRA= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:32:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F8F3E9B392 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:32:11 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mq1NadN6VGY9 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42B5DE9B36D for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1S28Ay-0003Db-h9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:32:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:30:30 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> <6428672D-6BC2-4F47-9F73-27A98E9D9F66@ed.ac.uk> <6MZ7VqExo6SPFwxx@pilling.demon.co.uk> <52683abfc9dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <52683abfc9dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1064 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <52683abfc9dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >But I cannot (ever) Copy the graphic in OvPro to the clipboard and >thereafter Paste it into anything, even DPScan. It would have to be (at best) .bmp, .wmf or .jpg - and the app. at the other end would have to be capable of loading those. As I've said I tried .bmp with no problem. The trouble is that most of the graphics in OP documents are not of the above types. It would have been nice to allow Draw files to be copied to the clipboard, not particularly difficult either (doing Draw->WMF conversion). We're on the edge of what works here and stuff that has been discussed before. I'm sort of under the impression that PNG transparency is OK in OPW. Coming back to Clive's comments on text with styles via the clipboard. I think the situation is that I set off to do this, did all the ground work, like modifying the RTF filter, but could not get the main OP program to load the RTF without crashing. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 27 22:10:10 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S28fx-0qtGPo-04-8fO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:10:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S28fx-0qtGPo-04-8fO; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:04:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S28fx-0qtGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:04:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S28fq-0002XU-Vp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:04:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10B56E9B610; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:48:13 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330379293; bh=jc8NZxwgxNWpRLCmvPWfr8EKzj30fr1qXWbvC8jD rwM=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=JcNKkq zTs44aYfJwBUq9mAgHaJg5A9VbVgNucSh56mlhexNhPq/mw/DM68efhiydEaKghYLht Qh2EEYYnKEDNDNZhBaPuoBiLa2ZLYJq06XARGEv6rW7Qr5a/IJ6Xwr7d3qfWBnKn3Gc mBSVZGCQhRNIe32ssOAu4y/ypnxeURo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uUbwx86ysEb0; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ACE5EE9B892; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:47:59 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330379292; bh=jc8NZxwgxNWpRLCmvPWfr8EKzj30fr1qXWbvC8jD rwM=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=s8PDl1 lxKYVn1Rnom42z4/f60HxLFm8KIMHdkQQ09nyckE39/eoxa0sx4IgeK31zPFq2kaX4B vlRadeVFcwZTAzoEy4L5FVr2/Em07cnr/RK0yWIO4TXwURNSlfGLkfgr0qUMV9AC21w FmzmBM0udOuRsq2Ufs6CM0E3b75fhgM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:47:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81B90E9B464 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:47:59 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eZZnPt+IOwEo for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:47:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2E40E9B8CB for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 16:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.49.108]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1RLlh2v027398 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:47:44 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 21:47:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures Message-ID: <5268470f0ddave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> <6428672D-6BC2-4F47-9F73-27A98E9D9F66@ed.ac.uk> <6MZ7VqExo6SPFwxx@pilling.demon.co.uk> <52683abfc9dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1065 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article , David Pilling wrote: [Snippy] > We're on the edge of what works here and stuff that has been discussed > before. I'm sort of under the impression that PNG transparency is OK in > OPW. I wrote elsewhere earlier this evening... ... so my preferred general purpose file is PNG, but this is a problem for OvPro and DPScan, in that any PNG containing transparency fails because the transparent area is (usually) displayed black. So sorry no, OPW doesn't handle PNG transparency. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 27 22:40:11 2012 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1S2983-20V000-06-Gjo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:40:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1S2983-20V000-06-Gjo; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:33:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1S2983-20V000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:33:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1S297u-0004sg-QU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:33:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9857E9B7C8; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:32:19 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330381939; bh=Oda55osZmrDeic8qh17e6UeCfgw0HwFmv2e0XGvu PoA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=YoXGkUJyAQMMjHG7NKWrNpWLORm1G2jaJaLHc3KPURUVzzOX6i fnZk00z1nxgrFdmtGCf47aBGiXcGuOOGuh2l4YXZ8XBZMVkqGgJ96FykK5eI0JjmX/A ZEfVVT+Na7ZTOhkvkwx3oax0ZOSUHsUS/7qNOm3rL3NoD6v0Am4uQs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B9oWCCJOItFh; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E791E9B414; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:32:06 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1330381939; bh=Oda55osZmrDeic8qh17e6UeCfgw0HwFmv2e0XGvu PoA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=YoXGkUJyAQMMjHG7NKWrNpWLORm1G2jaJaLHc3KPURUVzzOX6i fnZk00z1nxgrFdmtGCf47aBGiXcGuOOGuh2l4YXZ8XBZMVkqGgJ96FykK5eI0JjmX/A ZEfVVT+Na7ZTOhkvkwx3oax0ZOSUHsUS/7qNOm3rL3NoD6v0Am4uQs= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:32:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B7AFE9B44D for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:32:06 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Ozeh5246PK2 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36AD9E9B414 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:31:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1S296S-0003yD-cW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:31:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:30:24 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> <6428672D-6BC2-4F47-9F73-27A98E9D9F66@ed.ac.uk> <6MZ7VqExo6SPFwxx@pilling.demon.co.uk> <52683abfc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5268470f0ddave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5268470f0ddave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1066 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <5268470f0ddave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >... so my preferred general purpose file is PNG, but this >is a problem for OvPro and DPScan, in that any PNG containing transparency >fails because the transparent area is (usually) displayed black. > >So sorry no, OPW doesn't handle PNG transparency. Yes, Dave you are quite right. For sure there is no transparency support in the PNG loader for OPW. Sorry about that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Tue, 28 Feb 2012 02:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk (nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.205]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5ECD8E9B812 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 02:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.149.64]) by nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id q1S7trcY019744 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:55:53 GMT Received: from [192.168.1.17] (host-89-241-234-5.as13285.net [89.241.234.5]) (authenticated user=cbonsall mech=PLAIN bits=0) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q1S7tqAZ003637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:55:52 GMT From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1330415753-13687-195" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:55:52 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> <6428672D-6BC2-4F47-9F73-27A98E9D9F66@ed.ac.uk> <6MZ7VqExo6SPFwxx@pilling.demon.co.uk> <52683abfc9dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-Id: <685EFE53-7BD0-4EF3-9788-F6A6F4693415@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.60, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 129.215.13.205 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 X-archive-position: 1067 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: c.bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1330415753-13687-195 Received: from [192.168.1.17] (host-89-241-234-5.as13285.net [89.241.234.5]) (authenticated user=cbonsall mech=PLAIN bits=0) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q1S7tqAZ003637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:55:52 GMT From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_35EEBCA5-6616-40B3-B71C-2B3CAF2E366B" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Win OvPro and pictures Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:55:52 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> <6428672D-6BC2-4F47-9F73-27A98E9D9F66@ed.ac.uk> <6MZ7VqExo6SPFwxx@pilling.demon.co.uk> <52683abfc9dave@triffid.co.uk> Message-Id: <685EFE53-7BD0-4EF3-9788-F6A6F4693415@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.52, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 --Apple-Mail=_35EEBCA5-6616-40B3-B71C-2B3CAF2E366B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline On 27 Feb 2012, at 21:30, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, >=20 > In message <52683abfc9dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >> But I cannot (ever) Copy the graphic in OvPro to the clipboard and >> thereafter Paste it into anything, even DPScan. >=20 > It would have to be (at best) .bmp, .wmf or .jpg - and the app. at the ot= her end would have to be capable of loading those. As I've said I tried .bm= p with no problem. >=20 > The trouble is that most of the graphics in OP documents are not of the a= bove types. It would have been nice to allow Draw files to be copied to the= clipboard, not particularly difficult either (doing Draw->WMF conversion). > Coming back to Clive's comments on text with styles via the clipboard. I = think the situation is that I set off to do this, did all the ground work, = like modifying the RTF filter, but could not get the main OP program to loa= d the RTF without crashing. It would great if you could get it to work. At the moment, getting RTF into OPW in a usable form (for me) is a tortuous= process. I use a double column layout. Importing an RTF file open up a new= window with a single column master frame. I then have to copy the RTF to t= he clipboard (yes it works with styles as long as you're doing it within OP= W) before pasting it into a 2-column document. Why can't the RTF be importe= d direct into my default document with 2-column layout? Anther thing (and this may be asking too much) =85 currently formatting lik= e bold and italics is imported as effects. I already have and styles set up and use them in preference to the corresponding effects. = It would be nice if the RTF filter could apply the styles on the fly (where= they exist in the default document), so that bold/italics appear as styles= and not effects. -- Clive Bonsall --Apple-Mail=_35EEBCA5-6616-40B3-B71C-2B3CAF2E366B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline
On 27 Feb 20= 12, at 21:30, David Pilling wrote:

Hi,

In message <52683abfc9dave@triffid.co.uk>, Da= ve Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk&g= t; writes
But I cannot (ever) Copy the graphic= in OvPro to the clipboard and
th= ereafter Paste it into anything, even DPScan.

It would = have to be (at best) .bmp, .wmf or .jpg - and the app. at the other end wou= ld have to be capable of loading those. As I've said I tried .bmp with no p= roblem.

The trouble is that most of the graphics in OP documents are= not of the above types. It would have been nice to allow Draw files to be = copied to the clipboard, not particularly difficult either (doing Draw->= WMF conversion).

C= oming back to Clive's comments on text with styles via the clipboard. I thi= nk the situation is that I set off to do this, did all the ground work, lik= e modifying the RTF filter, but could not get the main OP program to load t= he RTF without crashing.

It would great if= you could get it to work.

At the moment, getting = RTF into OPW in a usable form (for me) is a tortuous process. I use a doubl= e column layout. Importing an RTF file open up a new window with a single c= olumn master frame. I then have to copy the RTF to the clipboard (yes it wo= rks with styles as long as you're doing it within OPW) before pasting it in= to a 2-column document. Why can't the RTF be imported direct into my defaul= t document with 2-column layout?

Anther thing (and= this may be asking too much) =85 currently formatting like bold and italic= s is imported as effects. I already have <bold> and <italics> s= tyles set up and use them in preference to the corresponding effects. It wo= uld be nice if the RTF filter could apply the styles on the fly (where they= exist in the default document), so that bold/italics appear as styles and = not effects.
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Clive Bonsall
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Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:17:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zlCyUH-BRvUL for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78BE8E9B281 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1S2Lzo-0005Tl-b9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:17:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:16:17 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> <6428672D-6BC2-4F47-9F73-27A98E9D9F66@ed.ac.uk> <6MZ7VqExo6SPFwxx@pilling.demon.co.uk> <52683abfc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <685EFE53-7BD0-4EF3-9788-F6A6F4693415@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <685EFE53-7BD0-4EF3-9788-F6A6F4693415@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 1068 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message <685EFE53-7BD0-4EF3-9788-F6A6F4693415@ed.ac.uk>, Clive=20 Bonsall writes >before pasting it into a 2-column document. Why can't the RTF be imported >direct into my default document with 2-column layout? The thing with RTF is that it specifies a document, the situation is=20 like importing an OP document by dropping it into a text frame (which=20 you can't do). It occurs to me that the software could be a bit smarter, if you open=20 RTF as a document treat it as such, and if you drop into a frame handle=20 it as text. >Anther thing (and this may be asking too much) =E2=80=A6 currently formatt= ing like >bold and italics is imported as effects. I already have and >styles set up and use them in preference to the corresponding effects. It = would >be nice if the RTF filter could apply the styles on the fly (where they ex= ist in >the default document), so that bold/italics appear as styles and not effec= ts. Hmm. I know what you mean. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. 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Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:08:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk (nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.205]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94E8AE9B280 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:08:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.149.64]) by nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id q1SG87BA003977 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:08:07 GMT Received: from [192.168.1.17] (host-89-241-230-163.as13285.net [89.241.230.163]) (authenticated user=cbonsall mech=PLAIN bits=0) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q1SG82Pi024294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:08:07 GMT From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1330445287-28848-177" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro and pictures Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:08:02 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> <6428672D-6BC2-4F47-9F73-27A98E9D9F66@ed.ac.uk> <6MZ7VqExo6SPFwxx@pilling.demon.co.uk> <52683abfc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <685EFE53-7BD0-4EF3-9788-F6A6F4693415@ed.ac.uk> Message-Id: <5C9B78A0-739A-4674-B589-997ACC9E7F72@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.60, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 129.215.13.205 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 X-archive-position: 1069 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: c.bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1330445287-28848-177 Received: from [192.168.1.17] (host-89-241-230-163.as13285.net [89.241.230.163]) (authenticated user=cbonsall mech=PLAIN bits=0) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q1SG82Pi024294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:08:07 GMT From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FD02CC07-C37D-4375-AA5D-01EC7264243E" Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Win OvPro and pictures Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:08:02 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <52679d85c5dave@triffid.co.uk> <5267b45c49dave@triffid.co.uk> <6428672D-6BC2-4F47-9F73-27A98E9D9F66@ed.ac.uk> <6MZ7VqExo6SPFwxx@pilling.demon.co.uk> <52683abfc9dave@triffid.co.uk> <685EFE53-7BD0-4EF3-9788-F6A6F4693415@ed.ac.uk> Message-Id: <5C9B78A0-739A-4674-B589-997ACC9E7F72@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.52, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 --Apple-Mail=_FD02CC07-C37D-4375-AA5D-01EC7264243E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline On 28 Feb 2012, at 12:16, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, >=20 > In message <685EFE53-7BD0-4EF3-9788-F6A6F4693415@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall= writes >> before pasting it into a 2-column document. Why can't the RTF be imported >> direct into my default document with 2-column layout? >=20 > The thing with RTF is that it specifies a document, the situation is like= importing an OP document by dropping it into a text frame (which you can't= do). >=20 > It occurs to me that the software could be a bit smarter, if you open RTF= as a document treat it as such, and if you drop into a frame handle it as = text. I notice that if I set up a MSWORD document with 2 columns, then drop a RTF= file into it =85 the result is text in a 2-column layout. -- Clive Bonsall --Apple-Mail=_FD02CC07-C37D-4375-AA5D-01EC7264243E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline
On 28 Feb 20= 12, at 12:16, David Pilling wrote:

Hi,

In message <685EFE53-7BD0-4EF3-9788= -F6A6F4693415@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall <c.bonsall@ed.ac.uk> writes
before pasting it into a 2-column document. Why can't the RTF be imported<= br>
direct into my default document w= ith 2-column layout?

The thing with RTF is that it spec= ifies a document, the situation is like importing an OP document by droppin= g it into a text frame (which you can't do).

It occurs to me that the software could be a bit sma= rter, if you open RTF as a document treat it as such, and if you drop into = a frame handle it as text.

I notice that i= f I set up a MSWORD document with 2 columns, then drop a RTF file into it = =85 the result is text in a 2-column layout.

--
Clive Bonsall
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