From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 5 00:08:37 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QdsDV-3prVbs-03-CIE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 00:08:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QdsDV-3prVbs-03-CIE; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 23:06:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QdsDV-3prVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 23:06:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QdsDO-0006Qt-7V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 23:06:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63922E31BC5; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 19:05:59 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1309820759; bh=oc1zdPRO4goLpCwb/6rsnP6hYHpdl1vQ1jiFytsH 8C4=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-Id:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=kYt6ITjYMIeVyN 84DvXGEBBUeqAUg6L1RZmG48BQ9TQ9hgss/r5vOEdnknUNwIOVv36y6XZK27wCLad4q SorKLYh2am4kCE6eq3OWDnKzZ3wZECzXUAWalSJiPSQjTMjzbZPT9/6aqfN+qTEE6Sf IOUx054T5rJ1Tw2IPoP3+fY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AwhKkCre+C+b; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 19:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F452E31923; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 19:05:45 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1309820758; bh=oc1zdPRO4goLpCwb/6rsnP6hYHpdl1vQ1jiFytsH 8C4=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-Id:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=IZZo606gA32RiN pPck5jeaxoNoy7y0gA2R0MDE+Kgrk+/bY+haMetd2614GHOzwwgZvCfO0NYKpR7c3WV 0m42ZT0PwTrGUbDA3NLMDEIYbeZuS0p/mH7TElSrhWlI7h4CdUFi8d7K5XvBluWMFBS s94GOQCS8hPmQ5KZKViNgDw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 04 Jul 2011 19:05:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 105F7E2FAB2 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 19:05:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id icsNr8TCmfeI for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 19:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 241B4E31B78 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 19:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.168.123.1 ([91.85.185.168]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id p64N5bnj030558 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 00:05:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ovation Pro) To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 00:02:50 +0100 X-Organization: Orpheusmail, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.41 for RISC OS 4.39 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? Message-Id: <2455748.02507-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <76e074ec51.tank@tankstage.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 769 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=ajCFBSiu4qQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=BLnWp6Wccgz93NX0SMMA:9 a=JctF6OKZH7482FoSzFkA:7 a=GuD6kkZSeGoA:10 Hi I am using the AtMini but not DPSCAN. I have however notices that !SrcEdit crashes after saving a file and before exiting almost every time. John -- John Evans Mijas Winchester To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 5 11:42:22 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QdsjS-22rGPo-06-BmH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 11:42:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QdsjS-22rGPo-06-BmH; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 23:39:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QdsjS-22rGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 23:39:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QdsjM-0001vn-8E for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 23:39:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4D35E2FB6A; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 19:39:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8YqTILZ1BH8V; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 19:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13522E2E698; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 19:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 04 Jul 2011 19:38:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1F80E2F248 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 19:38:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DYM9ogIlqZnH for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 19:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB39EE2F907 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2011 19:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Qdsj2-0005Tn-lI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 23:38:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 00:37:20 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <76e074ec51.tank@tankstage.co.uk> <2455748.02507-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2455748.02507-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 770 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5Qtx5TdRoDUA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=fJ7p51BqAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ZfRtymMfQkBs11im1XAA:9 a=K1pzeEJzPltgZGU86y8A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=EiAL5nLiLjwA:10 a=fIUn6bpQZBhLaH8l:21 a=nGTxdc-L9atZTqze:21 In message <2455748.02507-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Ovation Pro writes >Hi I am using the AtMini but not DPSCAN. I have however notices that !SrcEdit >crashes after saving a file and before exiting almost every time. Interesting, although SrcEdit will internally be completely different to DPScan. SrcEdit is (I guess) based on Acorns RISC OS Lib. Whereas DPScan is based on my own library. I've not had chance to get back to this problem since Saturday, however I have every intention of doing so, it is all most perplexing, especially if the eventual solution explains all the symptoms that have been reported. Rogue OS routine clobbers random address in code, would be a nice solution. I note that the problem seems to be ARMini specific and not Beagle, are you all on a particular version of RISC OS, or a particular file system. I'd appreciate some tests later, and I can imagine sorting this out is going to be lengthy, so don't want to exhaust goodwill at this stage, but does it still go wrong if you save to RAM disc, or to another application. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 5 11:42:34 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qe1k5-37FVbs-06-BIA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 11:42:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qe1k5-37FVbs-06-BIA; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 09:16:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qe1k5-37FVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 09:16:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qe1k4-0004fG-DX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 09:16:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B416E31F4A; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 05:16:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bo43Uo7vwavu; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 05:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52CD5E317EF; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 05:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jul 2011 05:16:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2276EE31CE1 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 05:16:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xak-LE8X39Vd for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 05:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF240E31E70 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 05:15:56 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoAIAB7VEk5UXebr/2dsb2JhbABTmQmOdXeIegLCRIY2BJR1gjmLPw Received: from outmx07.plus.net ([84.93.230.235]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2011 10:15:55 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx07.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Qe1jX-0002um-5C for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 10:15:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 10:15:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? Message-ID: <51edf50fa5chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <76e074ec51.tank@tankstage.co.uk> <2455748.02507-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 771 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eiRTcOgpoWwA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VWCrcP6TMeqXLUdDCdMA:9 a=GT6y2r8Cd7Mtz3eCIq8A:7 a=vRIx3I7mOBL5uNFF:21 a=5HSoHAKRpd4DYOXO:21 Hi David In article , David Pilling wrote: > I'd appreciate some tests later, and I can imagine sorting this out > is going to be lengthy, so don't want to exhaust goodwill at this > stage, but does it still go wrong if you save to RAM disc, or to > another application. I'll have a look at some of these possibilities later today. I am quite happy to be a tester for you. In terms of OS, the version on the ARMini is dated sometime in Jan 2010 (machine not on at the moment) - so is effectively RISC OS 5.16. However, although he is a bit 'cagey', Andrew has warned against upgrading the OS to the latest incarnation because there have apparently been some custom changes to make it work on the ARMini (BeagleXM). The filesystem is effectively SCSIFS over USB. The main 'drive' is an 8 or 16 GB 'pen drive'. It is interesting to note that I have been having some issues with a SATA drive (through a SATA>USB i/f) and even when the main filer is taken out completely, ShareFS is still fully functional. Anyway, I'll have a play later on - we're now back to more normal Scottish weather so not such an incentive to be out of doors. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 5 12:57:23 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qe43G-3RRVbs-03-8yz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 12:57:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qe43G-3RRVbs-03-8yz; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:44:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qe43G-3RRVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:44:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qe43C-0007Bj-11 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:44:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E8B8E31FE4; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 07:44:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id td5XntGr0Pax; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 07:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B00EEE31DFC; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 07:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jul 2011 07:44:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 730F0E31D6E for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 07:44:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mQ3y3fHhqWrr for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 07:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B104E323ED for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 07:44:03 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoAIAKj4Ek7Unw4U/2dsb2JhbABTmQqOdXeIfMJphjYEly6LPw Received: from outmx08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2011 12:43:58 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Qe42n-0001uK-VF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 12:43:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 12:43:46 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? Message-ID: <51ee02a8a8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 772 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eiRTcOgpoWwA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=C1iwVaxho6yYiNOh-RYA:9 a=9Vur2n15BWCRtC2a1EIA:7 What I can report is the following: Launching DPScan straight after boot, virtually nothing else running (Pinboard, Newicons, Recover display, BB_CMOS). DPScan crashes when sprite is saved to (a) main drive (b) Ramdisc (c) ShareFS. Crashes whether saveas icon is dragged to a random destination, or whether resaved over itself by clicking OK. After these crashes, and no reboot, several apps are launched (e.g. Zap, SparkFS, AppDock2). Now running DPScan and saving sprite - all is fine! It looks as if a particular area of physical RAM is being corrupted, and it depends where DPScan is located in actual memory for it to be stricken. What a nightmare. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 5 13:27:24 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qe4dD-0xyknw-07-GvY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 13:27:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qe4dD-0xyknw-07-GvY; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 12:21:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qe4dD-0xyknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 12:21:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qe4d8-0002Ns-Tc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 12:21:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2FAEE32298; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 08:21:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xhJMyPaEGFgH; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 08:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 776B1E2E505; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 08:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jul 2011 08:21:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F704E2F756 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 08:21:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jRgY7O7FdRDX for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 08:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59AF1E2E505 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 08:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (178-26-96-115-dynip.superkabel.de [178.26.96.115]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Mgpfs-1QrMJU16cC-00MhdZ; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 14:21:12 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 14:19:50 +0200 Message-ID: References: <51ee02a8a8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <51ee02a8a8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:yosQxZ0a5MZ0ku6jNl90ap6jRgeBDTcIf3j0jY+6Z6i lgAPIxOw6YTvxH3x22a9Lt8t0UnKr+qXy8Uae/hXmiTMY3PeEl v4D1ZjGoAmzctu8yx06AH8ts0ftLXtLCzdCjkgOsLZ4YmwWCXo eFC7TFAd80aAM6lQGIsYVcBnunu8EzS4ac3bfa2/QCx76AhOjv 9F7W6Z9+Ymf5ZBoj3mJPQ== X-archive-position: 773 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=n8CY3aZOSOYA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=PhaTGST-Xv8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=UiHvSpAEqpMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tLmMn-32FV_rGGacE7YA:9 a=j6jmMw-qf1ETsqtp3wMA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=P4ZPgWa1n_hoQA0g:21 a=7vNpYa0SVoDI36fm:21 In message <51ee02a8a8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Chris Johnson wrote: > What I can report is the following: > Launching DPScan straight after boot, virtually nothing else running > (Pinboard, Newicons, Recover display, BB_CMOS). > DPScan crashes when sprite is saved to (a) main drive (b) Ramdisc (c) > ShareFS. Crashes whether saveas icon is dragged to a random > destination, or whether resaved over itself by clicking OK. > After these crashes, and no reboot, several apps are launched (e.g. > Zap, SparkFS, AppDock2). Now running DPScan and saving sprite - all > is fine! It looks as if a particular area of physical RAM is being > corrupted, and it depends where DPScan is located in actual memory > for it to be stricken. What a nightmare. I think that is a highly unlikely scenario. DPScan is always located at the same logical address, no matter when it was started. It is hard to image how memory corruption of a physical address could happen, and if it did, its effects would be far more random. It would never affect DPScan so reliably after boot on many machines. There is not enough data to jump to any conclusions yet. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 5 17:48:27 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qe6ne-0TZknw-07-El7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 17:48:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qe6ne-0TZknw-07-El7; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 14:40:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qe6ne-0TZknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 14:40:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qe6nR-0005g1-A7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 14:40:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB0A4E32227; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 10:40:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4NSl41BvR13Y; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 10:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7ECCEE320C2; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 10:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jul 2011 10:39:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51F3EE32146 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 10:39:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3omLNgqe1ulj for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 10:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D92B6E320C2 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 10:39:58 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AskHAHMhE07Unw4U/2dsb2JhbABTmQqOdneIfMFmhjYEly6LPw Received: from outmx08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2011 15:39:58 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Qe6n7-0008BB-Js for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:39:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:38:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? Message-ID: <51ee12b369chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 774 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eiRTcOgpoWwA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4PNHI-btTug7wdAu3NcA:9 a=5vC1FYhZTXnMDMknkWcA:7 A bit more playing: Load jpeg - save as jpeg OK save as sprite OK save as png OK Load sprite - save as sprite FAIL save as jpeg FAIL save as png OK Load png - save as jpeg FAIL save as sprite OK save as png OK -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 5 17:48:46 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qe7d2-1jVknw-03-Dvj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 17:48:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qe7d2-1jVknw-03-Dvj; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:33:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qe7d2-1jVknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:33:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qe7cw-0006RH-Ii for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:33:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 694DFE321CD; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 11:33:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xp4XFTvRkpLd; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 11:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7AF8BE31FAD; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 11:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:32:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20C33E321AD for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 11:32:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jlUp2WVTBpVr for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 11:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78FACE3219C for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 11:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (178-26-96-115-dynip.superkabel.de [178.26.96.115]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MWxmu-1R1GfQ1eei-00Wdvs; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:32:52 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:32:40 +0200 Message-ID: <9f9d17ee51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <51ee12b369chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <51ee12b369chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:cfBhqJeCGW+yo1uZ0Y2vsCU6cwRTnf94BdAH6H2aYs0 CH2sD9iMPQ8rDiAK9BHP2OuwyLMOIijkAun6j+O7eSq9Y+JNkB qUEJLlbjLOMU+CWXzMEX6NBkJFXB8baDt88v9N88+hg81Vgltb hru0UMKVWQR5pw8/Z8VFTGbAjZZmmdKY80s2uofbZOKFxvnpik WnzsyikiHCVFIF8hTLNnQ== X-archive-position: 775 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=n8CY3aZOSOYA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=PhaTGST-Xv8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=UiHvSpAEqpMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=cNQjhY-9_uvlIPERjtgA:9 a=4GfYaXwVkbeklXlRBXsA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 In message <51ee12b369chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Chris Johnson wrote: > A bit more playing: > Load jpeg - save as jpeg OK > save as sprite OK > save as png OK > Load sprite - save as sprite FAIL > save as jpeg FAIL > save as png OK > Load png - save as jpeg FAIL > save as sprite OK > save as png OK That would be a very unusual pattern. I cannot confirm it though. Here, "Save as Sprite" always crashes, no matter whether I loaded a sprite or a JPEG. Are you certain that the sequence "Load JPEG - Save Sprite" works if that is the first thing you do after booting and loading DPScan? Also, do all images in your test have the same colour depth and size? Colour JPEGs are inherently true colour (16M colours), so the other test files should have that colour depth as well. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 5 17:49:10 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qe8ls-0uxGPo-05-Cmt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 17:49:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qe8ls-0uxGPo-05-Cmt; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:46:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qe8ls-0uxGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:46:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qe8ld-0004SV-6c for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:46:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BBD5E31F1E; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 12:46:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xCnw5d5f7HA3; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 12:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79D76E31EFD; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 12:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jul 2011 12:46:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50F37E30132 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 12:46:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MICM+T0wSJO1 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 12:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96FCAE31F09 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 12:46:02 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AskHADY/E07Unw4U/2dsb2JhbABTmRGOdneIfMF3hjYEly6LPw Received: from outmx08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2011 17:45:59 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Qe8l4-0007hv-Mg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:45:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:45:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? Message-ID: <51ee1e4aa9chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <9f9d17ee51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <51ee12b369chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <9f9d17ee51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 776 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eiRTcOgpoWwA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=K3TtDXi56bPihPVpIL8A:9 a=tPw_GNthJrU4bY9ifuoA:7 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 In article <9f9d17ee51.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > Are you certain that the sequence "Load JPEG - Save Sprite" works > if that is the first thing you do after booting and loading DPScan? I am beginning to doubt my sanity. Procedure is : ctrl-shift-F12; when machine has shut down press reset (left) button. After reboot run DPScan. Load (the same) jpeg. Immediately save as sprite. Out of 15 cycles, only 2 did *not* give a type 5, numbers 2 and 6. I think the time for random playing is over! -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 5 18:18:19 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qe94B-0F1knw-07-CUa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 18:18:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qe94B-0F1knw-07-CUa; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:05:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qe94B-0F1knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:05:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qe947-0006Uf-Hg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:05:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47AB9E31E85; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 13:05:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AbHP0MJn1l7n; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 13:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 836F0E31AE2; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 13:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jul 2011 13:05:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FB97E31BE6 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 13:05:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vOzZTLJZ17so for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 13:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 132FDE31AE2 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 13:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Qe93g-00046D-bs for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:05:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 18:03:36 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <51ee12b369chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <9f9d17ee51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <51ee1e4aa9chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <51ee1e4aa9chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 777 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_xUuQIDEDOUA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Db5TYtAqFbJSOlvVsVMA:9 a=MBKkc0peCqg-1NbENgUA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=bC2oWrn-cBif-F6g:21 a=aie6RsqgQfRxlvwc:21 Hi, Chris, thanks for the tests. A good old fashioned bug in DPScan may be the cause, say a dependency on the contents of a memory location. Perhaps an illegal address or one that is not being correctly initialised. I'll do a test version that will explore these possibilities. I think one interesting point, is that Martin seems to have located the bug at the same point in the code as the original user. The point being that Martin has a production version, whilst the user had a "debug" version with function names in. That means the code is at different addresses. Do we know if save to another application crashes - this won't work with all file types, but a save of a file in sprite format to Paint should work. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 5 22:48:28 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QeDLe-1SU000-08-Gjd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:48:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QeDLe-1SU000-08-Gjd; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 21:40:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QeDLe-1SU000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 21:40:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QeDLb-0003T5-3e for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 21:40:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B10DE32386; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 17:39:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KzJ0ffStFbLv; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 17:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C077FE3235A; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 17:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:39:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 917A8E3235C for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 17:39:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oOcd3vUeTS6S for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 17:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DF0EE3235A for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 17:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (178-26-96-115-dynip.superkabel.de [178.26.96.115]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lzadu-1RYqTF2m9K-014jUk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 23:39:35 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 23:39:20 +0200 Message-ID: <672f39ee51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <51ee12b369chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <9f9d17ee51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <51ee1e4aa9chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:YUHfFL+755jI0Mttb2kCe4XTq7sWF5WMiHe/wHiT1dN LquJt2unjgdYI5Yp7sCiw1LTUft0t+/I8ehSTycVAvxsvW5iA5 iM+YsOyPnQdhnX8C2o/Xt4PaXJWVHbU1j5SCe2S6prUlnHuXsf rQqMeVnLhDcLGi7SNH5STpwn86/W2bPLlRtepF7TdHRLK8QVYs veXesjjOOsreaktVgCrfQ== X-archive-position: 778 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=n8CY3aZOSOYA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=PhaTGST-Xv8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=UiHvSpAEqpMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=slTPLMzy7LMOIKcypZcA:9 a=wgpIJrSgJmRgLWCnFvkA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=bzZ414xzNnhheqhe:21 a=AMszIyvNqExLFEkd:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > A good old fashioned bug in DPScan may be the cause, say a dependency on > the contents of a memory location. Perhaps an illegal address or one > that is not being correctly initialised. > I'll do a test version that will explore these possibilities. > I think one interesting point, is that Martin seems to have located the > bug at the same point in the code as the original user. The point being > that Martin has a production version, whilst the user had a "debug" > version with function names in. That means the code is at different > addresses. Yes, that is interesting. > Do we know if save to another application crashes - this won't work with > all file types, but a save of a file in sprite format to Paint should > work. Yes, saving to Paint or Draw crashes in the same way. It is worth noting that in all cases the transfer has completed successfully at the time the crash happens, i.e., the sprite appears on disc or in the target application. Maybe the crash occurs when DPScan processes the acknowledgement message? There is another interesting thing: As Chris has reported already the crash goes away if other applications are loaded *before* DPScan, and that is perfectly repeatable here: 1) load DPScan 2) load Paint 3) load sprite into DPScan, save to Paint: crashes OR save to disc: crashes 1) load Paint 2) load DPScan 3) load sprite into DPScan, save to Paint: works OR save to disc: works What is more intriguing is that quitting both DPScan and Paint restores everything back to the starting position, i.e., you can once again try one of the above scenarios, and you get the same results once again. In the second scenario (Paint loaded before DPScan), you can quit Paint and DPScan still continues working, but if you quit DPScan, too and reload it, it crashes when saving again. And just to muddy the waters a bit, I had Zap running all along and its presence does not influence the above scenarios. Obviously, the thing to do is to run DPScan under a debugger to get more information and to find out whether the instruction at the point where the crash occurs has been corrupted. Unfortunately, both DDT and DeskDebug crash when trying to run DPScan. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 6 11:31:39 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QeE9B-4UwVbs-01-Fw6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 11:31:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QeE9B-4UwVbs-01-Fw6; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:31:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QeE9B-4UwVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:31:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QeE94-0000C6-WC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:31:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEFECE32301; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 18:31:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lKw6RvNzGlQs; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 18:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63E56E322E7; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 18:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 05 Jul 2011 18:30:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D94CE322A8 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 18:30:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PIB3rt6HrbIZ for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 18:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC63AE322E7 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2011 18:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QeE8i-0006iD-ZQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:30:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 23:30:37 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <51ee12b369chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <9f9d17ee51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <51ee1e4aa9chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <672f39ee51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <672f39ee51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 779 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GoqRIcZBcXQA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NXUa4czj0-G3eaa4Bb0A:9 a=SH4OQ9tH19Bg_twQRz8A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=KU1bPpsWWn0JR7ny:21 a=QXfeBIYUkiz5Y4xy:21 Hi, In message <672f39ee51.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner writes >Yes, saving to Paint or Draw crashes in the same way. Thanks Martin. >target application. Maybe the crash occurs when DPScan processes the >acknowledgement message? Hmm. When I got the original bug report, I said to the chap, that it was unusual for the file to have been saved correctly. >What is more intriguing is that quitting both DPScan and Paint >restores everything back to the starting position, i.e., you can once >again try one of the above scenarios, and you get the same results >once again. Like the old thing about negative addresses - allocating huge dynamic areas etc. (except in reverse). >Obviously, the thing to do is to run DPScan under a debugger to get >more information and to find out whether the instruction at the point >where the crash occurs has been corrupted. Unfortunately, both DDT and >DeskDebug crash when trying to run DPScan. I've never used a debugger on RISC OS. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 6 14:16:40 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QeRqo-4WNVbs-01-Akz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 14:16:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QeRqo-4WNVbs-01-Akz; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:09:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QeRqo-4WNVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:09:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QeRqn-0007F2-J3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:09:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37802E32243; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 09:09:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nsD4aPzJ4s2F; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 09:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FD3FE31C63; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 09:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jul 2011 09:08:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C881E31CBE for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 09:08:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ia+UN5dN8quc for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 09:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35252E31C63 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 09:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QeRqX-0001y6-g8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 13:08:53 +0000 Message-ID: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 14:07:42 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <51ee12b369chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <9f9d17ee51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <51ee1e4aa9chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <672f39ee51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 780 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=REtH42MAViwA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sqoznhr1CAml6TWfxsgA:9 a=AOtls1atjjjv_VTSvL0A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=s7TtZGxllxZGehzd:21 a=xRJ7M5FTlY7W5L-0:21 Hi, I've had Chris run a debug version for me, this has *save'd the memory of the program at a number of points, before saving the sprite, after, and then after the type 5 crash. In all these dumps the code is unmodified. The idea that the code is being corrupted is not correct. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 6 15:16:45 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QeSrw-12tknw-05-9jr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 15:16:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QeSrw-12tknw-05-9jr; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 14:14:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QeSrw-12tknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 14:14:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QeSrv-0001yz-3K for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 14:14:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19299E3127E; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 10:14:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BCNmqJG60QS2; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 10:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EA01E30CE7; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 10:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jul 2011 10:14:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54253E3127E for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 10:14:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f8q1ySultqHI for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 10:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03422E30CE7 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 10:14:04 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhgIAI9sFE5UXebr/2dsb2JhbABTmRiOa3eIcwnDNYY2BJc7i0M Received: from outmx07.plus.net ([84.93.230.235]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 06 Jul 2011 15:14:03 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx07.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1QeSrb-0005rU-0C for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:14:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 15:13:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? Message-ID: <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 781 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eiRTcOgpoWwA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=679TFww_QeT60EyM9DkA:9 a=hfz_xrU_HP76PQMHcUEA:7 a=GuD6kkZSeGoA:10 Do we know whether this is ARMini specific, or it affects all BeagleBoard setups? -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 6 22:45:33 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QeZgM-4Vl000-06-BRx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 22:45:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QeZgM-4Vl000-06-BRx; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:30:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QeZgM-4Vl000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:30:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QeZgJ-0002Zc-Ka for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:30:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CEECE32737; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 17:30:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rig7HsQ1ntg7; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 17:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D94E4E31CA0; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 17:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jul 2011 17:30:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2FE9E32651 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 17:30:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TmdNIyptn20w for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 17:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D61EE31CA0 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 17:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QeZfx-000333-iX for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:30:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 22:20:27 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 782 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GoqRIcZBcXQA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=aqc3_HqVlFkEfIBC4BgA:9 a=VjEzZeDVoJdoYZAYG2oA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Xjn2ChQzd_-WyMQZ:21 a=8JJX_92dKB2k4c8L:21 Hi, The code the problem occurs in allows code to be inserted to intercept wimp events. Typically a TWAIN driver grabs mouse clicks etc. before they are sent to the main application. I can sort of see the situation of the TWAIN driver in module space being active with the main application not paged in to memory. Question is, is TWAIN active on the systems that are crashing. Do they still have a lazy task swapping option. Even then I don't see things quite hanging together. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 6 22:45:34 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QeZrk-3LC000-05-BGZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 22:45:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QeZrk-3LC000-05-BGZ; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:42:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QeZrk-3LC000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:42:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QeZrh-0004Nv-F7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:42:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F09FFE3282C; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 17:42:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K6PMehlj+siM; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 17:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F817E32728; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 17:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 06 Jul 2011 17:42:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC2DFE32810 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 17:42:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YnkVI7GctaAw for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 17:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51569E32728 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2011 17:42:15 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvQHALvVFE5UXebr/2dsb2JhbABTmR6ObXeIfMMhhjcElzuLRA Received: from outmx07.plus.net ([84.93.230.235]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 06 Jul 2011 22:42:14 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx07.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1QeZrJ-000092-TP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 22:42:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 22:41:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? Message-ID: <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 783 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eiRTcOgpoWwA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=SYm4p0GXZe1BsHzqi1sA:9 a=CeyvJMoxDwcfn-Nl-YMA:7 a=nIdP1smTmbxchKei:21 a=Jpr0JLUFbiC-b1HP:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Question is, is TWAIN active on the systems that are crashing. Do > they still have a lazy task swapping option. I have not copied any TWAIN drivers across to the ARMini, as I haven't felt the need yet to move the scanner across. Assuming you can activate lazy task swapping in the same way as on the Iyonix, I have not knowingly activated it. I'm about to give your latest test version a whirl, though I have had a couple of glasses of the amber nectar tonight, so I hope I shall be in full control of the situation 8o). -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jul 7 22:00:32 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QevgB-0BXVbs-08-F1g.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 22:00:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QevgB-0BXVbs-08-F1g; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 21:00:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QevgB-0BXVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 21:00:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qevg5-0002Km-1U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 21:00:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDE56E32D5D; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 17:00:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cI42qIXmJcFi; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 17:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74D83E32B69; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 16:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:59:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 468EBE32D04 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 16:59:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aHT5V4XBG83c for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 16:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB117E32B69 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 16:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QevfL-00036J-dW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 20:59:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 21:57:41 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 784 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tewIUDeXIgIA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=21nV87h1Y5cQiFtxVlQA:9 a=onQUSfFAWN15FUJza4gA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=WDk7X3n_dILBYaba:21 a=crmdyheTeEUhgPkw:21 Hi, In message <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes >I'm about to give your latest test version a whirl, though I have had >a couple of glasses of the amber nectar tonight, so I hope I shall be >in full control of the situation 8o). Thanks Chris, that version had the problem code commented out and it didn't crash. One assumes this means there is not random corruption or some external event going on - or else other code would fail. I thought I'd write a daily email about this problem until someone gets fed up and tells me the answer... The crash occurs with the program counter pointing at the last instruction below: ADD R13,R13,#4 LDR R6,&0008FB24 LDR R5,&00090490 CMP R0,#0 BLT &00090480 From this we deduce that code executing 8 bytes back was what caused the address exception. We know that the LDR R6 executed correctly from the register dump and being able to read off the contents of the location it is loading from. (Thanks Martin for this). Both the LDRs are loading words from memory addresses in the program's RunImage - good legal memory addresses. This code is executed in the main poll loop, so before the crash it has been executed 100's of times. From dumping the program's memory we know that the code has not been corrupted. There is the external change theory, the memory has been paged out or read protected - seems unlikely unless the ARMmini has a 1K page size. An interrupt/software event? would have to be one that was fine tuned to take place after a save. I am inclined to revert to crude debugging techniques, plaster the code with printf's and see what happens. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 8 11:25:17 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qex19-28xknw-01-Dgi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 11:25:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qex19-28xknw-01-Dgi; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:25:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qex19-28xknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:25:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qex15-0000jx-Kd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:25:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FEA3E32DF9; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 18:25:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZA3WARzFmFKQ; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 18:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7281FE32DE2; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 18:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:25:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F4DCE32DE7 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 18:25:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ES08dIXmRNsX for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 18:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1E77E32DE2 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 18:25:34 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkcHAJkxFk5UXebr/2dsb2JhbABTmEyOcneIewLDBIY4BJdBi0Q Received: from outmx07.plus.net ([84.93.230.235]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 07 Jul 2011 23:25:33 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx07.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Qex0n-00046r-Dy for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 23:25:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 23:24:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? Message-ID: <51ef45059dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 785 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eiRTcOgpoWwA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ipU9ADsrGW8us8G1bWMA:9 a=8jRNI4dalgjhkhrVcncA:7 a=Cwf1F7ad1iIUBaTJ:21 a=2fRjPMZjqfkRDgzr:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > There is the external change theory, the memory has been paged out > or read protected - seems unlikely unless the ARMmini has a 1K > page size. > An interrupt/software event? would have to be one that was fine > tuned to take place after a save. > I am inclined to revert to crude debugging techniques, plaster the > code with printf's and see what happens. What I find intriging is the fact that the bug (apparently) disappears when a few applications are launched before DPScan. One could speculate endlessly. I think I will put a short message on the ARMini maillist to try to ascertain how many have used DPScan. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 8 14:00:30 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QfAWX-1C7knw-03-8hq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 14:00:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QfAWX-1C7knw-03-8hq; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:51:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QfAWX-1C7knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:51:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QfAWU-0005mX-QC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:51:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4438EE33371; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 08:51:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ydzYkUSwjvW1; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 08:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74B04E33303; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 08:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:50:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AD1CE33374 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 08:50:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zBYDRSTACNWq for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 08:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86B02E33372 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 08:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QfAWD-0003OO-g4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:50:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 13:49:42 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51ef45059dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <51ef45059dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S (<8yhE8V5dI+NPUTS9cTH1TScHuu>) X-archive-position: 786 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Xz2m_ceoF-kA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=H31EpGGUwV0He2JZRSIA:9 a=xei6LOsOqZ8SAmOOEXIA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=xLyowNuX977AAUhX:21 a=NUYhpfbDwWDRuyex:21 Hi, In message <51ef45059dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes >I think I will put a short message on the ARMini maillist to try to >ascertain how many have used DPScan. Where does that hang out, can I read it? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 8 15:00:32 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QfBQ9-1TtVbs-05-GKk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 15:00:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QfBQ9-1TtVbs-05-GKk; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 13:48:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QfBQ9-1TtVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 13:48:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QfBQ6-0000Db-9e for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 13:48:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9426BE33336; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:48:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BeQmHH02pBtn; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 276D5E33322; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Jul 2011 09:48:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E14D8E33326 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:48:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5TAXtk6GjQ2V for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82FBCE33322 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:48:21 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApEIAGYKF07Unw4U/2dsb2JhbABTmFCOdXeIewLCYIY4BJdJi0g Received: from outmx08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 08 Jul 2011 14:48:15 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1QfBPi-0005XB-Rn for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 14:48:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 14:47:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? Message-ID: <51ef997de7chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51ef45059dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 787 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eiRTcOgpoWwA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=JLf6M27KxeaG_0NpiHoA:9 a=5R0J5pMdmHnDewRYR2IA:7 a=qm7jLY3d24h_sJHS:21 a=Re9sEay66XzVa359:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <51ef45059dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson > writes > >I think I will put a short message on the ARMini maillist to try to > >ascertain how many have used DPScan. > Where does that hang out, can I read it? It is an 'invitation' list for ARMini owners. I guess Andrew Rawnsley would give you access. It is not very active - Andrew much prefers direct private communication. It is freelists hosted. http://www.freelists.org/list/armini-support Archives - publically available but very few - the only posters appear to have been myself, David Pitt, and Andrew. http://www.freelists.org/archive/armini-support/ -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 8 17:15:36 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QfDac-3mDknw-05-EAH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:15:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QfDac-3mDknw-05-EAH; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:07:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QfDac-3mDknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:07:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QfDaY-0001gE-T9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:07:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63C9BE33264; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:07:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o0tbHBkZVH-P; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B478CE3308A; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:07:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82E4AE331C7 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:07:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21I+hpoHPicb for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49E95E3308A for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QfDaH-00011v-jl for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:07:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:05:50 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51ef45059dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51ef997de7chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <51ef997de7chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 788 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=x_QpJejvt7kA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=T7YAfV-fNIBSAsxTyv4A:9 a=PzkE-UGdH6dFJuEVGtgA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=dKd9yt8FxlEF04wO:21 a=kXYOygQqda79Sv4H:21 Hi In message <51ef997de7chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes > http://www.freelists.org/list/armini-support Thanks. I'll keep an eye on it. If I went on that list and blamed everything on the hardware, do you think someone would then discover it is all my fault - thus solving the problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 8 17:45:37 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QfE6E-40Rknw-01-Def.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:45:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QfE6E-40Rknw-01-Def; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:40:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QfE6E-40Rknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:40:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QfE65-0006QR-Ac for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:40:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 466FFE333C8; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:40:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XehPGm6qpcOU; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCD89E332B4; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:39:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A61BAE33081 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:39:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wHlin7bTRr76 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (websrv.quantel.com [195.12.20.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22AE2E333B0 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 12:39:51 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51ef45059dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51ef997de7chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 17:40:46 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-archive-position: 789 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=wqaAigjxlx4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=0GCG2w7rsHWBvufc5eIA:9 a=18sVoHclA6-1YJqsj0oA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=YBvVcnFp_C9xUWzk:21 a=N7eA4LY-_TieqQF3:21 > > http://www.freelists.org/list/armini-support > > Thanks. I'll keep an eye on it. > > If I went on that list and blamed everything on the hardware, do you > think someone would then discover it is all my fault - thus solving the > problem. > ROTFL - I think very likely Something did strike me. Is it possible that these "other apps" that fix things are calling some necessary bit of system initialisation that you aren't? A bit like the hours I spent years ago trying to work out why some assembler I'd written only worked in the debugger. Until I realised the debugger set up the stack pointer and I didn't. Just a thought. Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and then delete it; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail. 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Registered address: Turnpike Road, Newbury, Berkshire, RG14 2NX, United Kingdom To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 8 18:45:40 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QfF4M-3lY000-07-CgX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 18:45:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QfF4M-3lY000-07-CgX; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:42:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QfF4M-3lY000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:42:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QfF4H-0001Jz-EH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:42:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38574E332B6; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 13:42:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kcntX4PehwGv; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 13:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B6F9E3320E; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 13:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Jul 2011 13:42:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CB58E33236 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 13:42:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PUlTtScYc-+C for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 13:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from auth.a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (auth.a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [90.155.4.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1A82E3320E for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 13:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpc1-sgyl17-0-0-cust191.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com ([92.235.172.192] helo=[192.168.1.13]) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtpsa (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QfF3x-0005B7-Jt for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:42:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 18:41:46 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.66.6.3353 (Qt/4.6.3) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 790 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JW6HlF9dDQkA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=JCw9xbTFJyCDBu7iuXIA:9 a=LBgS732fF5vQqt6CTIEA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=NuM8v6VwzuWaCaTy:21 a=v87_4xsdqMa5R4NG:21 David Pilling wrote: > The crash occurs with the program counter pointing at the last > instruction below: > > ADD R13,R13,#4 > LDR R6,&0008FB24 > LDR R5,&00090490 > CMP R0,#0 > BLT &00090480 Ah! A BLT - must be a fatal sandwich error! Misaligned filling? > From this we deduce that code executing 8 bytes back was what caused the > address exception. Are there any times when that's not true (it's ages since I read anything about ARM assembler). ISTR it's something to do with pipelining in the CPU? Might that work differently in the ARMini's processor? > We know that the LDR R6 executed correctly from the register dump and > being able to read off the contents of the location it is loading from. > (Thanks Martin for this). So the LDR R5... is the instruction being executed? If you put these two LDR instructions in the opposite order does the crash happen 4 bytes earlier (as you'd expect if the instruction itself or the address it references is the problem)? > Both the LDRs are loading words from memory addresses in the program's > RunImage - good legal memory addresses. > > This code is executed in the main poll loop, so before the crash it has > been executed 100's of times. From dumping the program's memory we know > that the code has not been corrupted. > > There is the external change theory, the memory has been paged out or > read protected - seems unlikely unless the ARMmini has a 1K page size. Why 1K? To me, the thing that's striking about the memory locations in these two instructions is that the LDR R6 refers to address &0008FB24 (just a bit less than &8FFFF) whereas the LDR R5 has &00090490, which is just a bit higher in memory? Any multiple of &10000 is a 64K boundary so presumably a 1K, 2K, 4K, 8K, 16K... or 64K page size boundary could be relevant? > An interrupt/software event? would have to be one that was fine tuned to > take place after a save. > > I am inclined to revert to crude debugging techniques, plaster the code > with printf's and see what happens. Would using !Reporter's SWIs be friendlier? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 8 19:00:40 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QfFHq-19e000-04-CT3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:00:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QfFHq-19e000-04-CT3; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:56:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QfFHq-19e000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:56:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QfFHk-0006o1-At for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:56:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 704C3E33308; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 13:56:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26IxS-JSpFMh; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 13:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9774BE332DD; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 13:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Jul 2011 13:56:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71584E332BD for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 13:56:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0TeylC2wPnVD for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 13:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35C34E332DD for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 13:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QfFHR-0006Na-ZU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:55:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 18:54:27 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51ef45059dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51ef997de7chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 791 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9LZbV7IqyA8A:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tW_AE1KQM51oYNRM4M8A:9 a=KYy8OOFuTbqXZjjsTiUA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Skpf-qo106oA:10 a=qDIyOabjPY0r3d7O:21 a=Ms4aD78fF51hoWPU:21 Hi, In message , andy.ling@quantel.com writes >Something did strike me. Is it possible that these "other apps" that >fix things are calling some necessary bit of system initialisation >that you aren't? Well no, because it has been pointed out that if you get rid of the other apps, the problem re-appears. That probably also knocks out the idea that junk in RAM being wrongly accessed is a cause. But you could say these other apps maintain some sort of part of the system which DPScan needs. There's the point that DPScan has run the code happily for 100's of times before it crashes - usually that could be taken as 'initialisation' being OK. >A bit like the hours I spent years ago trying to work out why some >assembler I'd written only worked in the debugger. Until I realised >the debugger set up the stack pointer and I didn't. 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 8 19:15:40 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QfFPd-2mJGPo-05-CLG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:15:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QfFPd-2mJGPo-05-CLG; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:04:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QfFPd-2mJGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:04:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QfFPY-0006xE-0s for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:04:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E58EE33409; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 14:04:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OjT7LEcWYblm; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 14:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71DE5E3338B; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 14:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Jul 2011 14:04:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 393C9E333D4 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 14:04:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NxGkQTFunOdq for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 14:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1A51E3338B for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 14:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QfFPH-00049p-jk for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:04:03 +0000 Message-ID: <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:02:54 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 792 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wncQhim6uXQA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=DNS-LIeQAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rjK0YAHzMFDvJAp76BYA:9 a=JM9dYlrN-sPPZjMZfT0A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=nTz9N2GBZy0klg--:21 a=1RVTHhFj4JNfxvHn:21 Hi, In message , Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists writes >Are there any times when that's not true (it's ages since I read anything >about ARM assembler). ISTR it's something to do with pipelining in the CPU? > Might that work differently in the ARMini's processor? Good point. I'd like to move the site of the crash away from this code to somewhere more favourable for bugs, the trouble is the register values point to this location. >So the LDR R5... is the instruction being executed? If you put these two >LDR instructions in the opposite order does the crash happen 4 bytes earlier >(as you'd expect if the instruction itself or the address it references is >the problem)? We're looking at the output of the C compiler, but yes I could edit the assembler output and recompile it. >> There is the external change theory, the memory has been paged out or >> read protected - seems unlikely unless the ARMmini has a 1K page size. > >Why 1K? Because the R5 load is from an address in another 1K page (I thought). >To me, the thing that's striking about the memory locations in these two >instructions is that the LDR R6 refers to address &0008FB24 (just a bit less >than &8FFFF) whereas the LDR R5 has &00090490, which is just a bit higher in >memory? Any multiple of &10000 is a 64K boundary so presumably a 1K, 2K, >4K, 8K, 16K... or 64K page size boundary could be relevant? Yes but the R6 load is not the one that fails. The code is at 00090434, so we're in the memory above 90000, so it is OK. >Would using !Reporter's SWIs be friendlier? Don't know I'd have to investigate. I might just be in trouble here because of using new things like showregs. Should have used printf... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 9 15:15:02 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QfYId-4A5000-05-AVI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 15:15:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QfYId-4A5000-05-AVI; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:14:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QfYId-4A5000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:14:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QfYId-0005zS-18 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:14:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89D21E32010; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 10:14:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XUjJH7qU7WoQ; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 10:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF4F4E31AE9; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 10:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:14:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9734E31A8E for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 10:14:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QHQ8KOh2kSP5 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 10:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73846E31AFD for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 10:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QfYIM-0006e9-nI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:14:10 +0000 Message-ID: <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 15:12:40 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 793 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=4knWFtJdL1sA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=veRNA11Wtz6gJoRggEMA:9 a=BBxnCnDyl8x5PIsVNjwA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=8E62Gx8FuZf_dESJ:21 a=iShSQYg9uFfHDa2_:21 Hi, In message <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes >I might just be in trouble here because of using new things like >showregs. Should have used printf... So we did a test with printfs inserted, and the bug went away. Functionally the debug version is the same as the one that crashes, but it will have lots of side effects like calling OS routines. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 9 18:15:07 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qfb3B-2Deknw-01-GHG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 18:15:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qfb3B-2Deknw-01-GHG; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 17:10:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qfb3B-2Deknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 17:10:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qfb39-0003TV-Gb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 17:10:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51E10E33560; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:10:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qyo9Z6eN0KzZ; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FB1CE33502; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 09 Jul 2011 13:10:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62C16E33507 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:10:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xepxvml2dKVX for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host.quksdns9.net (host.quksdns9.net [82.147.22.228]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10D00E33502 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [222.127.232.79] (port=52522 helo=[10.2.1.15]) by host.quksdns9.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qfb2o-0000Qr-2Z for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 18:10:21 +0100 Message-ID: <4E188B72.5060401@bellfamily.org.uk> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 01:10:10 +0800 From: Peter Bell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.quksdns9.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - bellfamily.org.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-archive-position: 794 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@bellfamily.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=w_12D8JdfmAA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=WuyGErbxAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nUG5YenlAlttGLZkmCIA:9 a=wc8BGh7AwC1lXXB1D0IA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=X9PxUwGYR-4A:10 On Saturday, 09 July, 2011 10:12 PM, David Pilling wrote: > So we did a test with printfs inserted, and the bug went away. > Functionally the debug version is the same as the one that crashes, but > it will have lots of side effects like calling OS routines. This reminds me of a problem I once experienced, working in Fortran in a DEC PDP11 environment. The program was crashing, or corrupting data - I don't remember exactly, now. However, we couldn't find the fault - a detailed walk through the code didn't reveal anything, if we added extra statements in an attempt to trace it, the fault went away. If we compiled and built with the system debugger enabled, the fault went away ... ultimately, this led us to the real cause - enabling the debugger disabled the compiler's code optimisation. The fault was being introduced by a bug in the optimiser - examination of the generated machine code allowed us to identify the precise point of failure, which was not exactly where we expected to find it, because the optimiser had changed the sequence of the instructions. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Bell Mob: +63 (0) 9287 340 343 Tagum City, Philippines. Tel: +63 (0) 84 400 5085 email/msn: peter@bellfamily.org.uk Tel: +44 (0) 118 331 0000 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 12 16:57:08 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QgfDX-1FKGPo-03-9mW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:57:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QgfDX-1FKGPo-03-9mW; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:49:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QgfDX-1FKGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:49:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QgfDW-00059s-SV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:49:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DE62E33737; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:49:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BbAh0nCQ9UmP; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAC6BE32B5F; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:49:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8174EE33657 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:49:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WusGxi-PqxjS for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44A2FE32B5F for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QgfDF-0000P1-WP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:49:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:48:13 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4E188B72.5060401@bellfamily.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4E188B72.5060401@bellfamily.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 795 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ubz75NSMRNkA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=KYGuNaUJl5eJDIRrxSwA:9 a=_2BDBHHmf9-VOPrzIzgA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=mJvM2768SNGKUgcC:21 a=G5lAzUctcl5npgYl:21 Hi, I have asked Andrew Rawnsley. He says... >Just a comment that changing the value of DPlngScan$Memory to -1 >instead of -2 in the run file seems to cure the problem. I certainly >haven't been able to trigger it with that set, whereas with -2 it >happens quite frequently. >I wonder if you previously tested on a non-xM Beagleboard (256Mb) >where as the xM has 512Mb? As I read it $Memory is -1 on RISC OS 5 or bigger i.e. Dynamic Areas and -2 on other machines i.e. wimp slot. Question for Tank, what sort of Beagleboard, 256 or 512? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 12 17:42:10 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QgftB-4P5000-02-96s.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:42:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QgftB-4P5000-02-96s; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:32:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QgftB-4P5000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:32:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qgft8-00006z-PH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:32:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3E3CE33CFD; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:32:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AD-pHSFiuQAI; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F966E33CF3; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:32:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3C8CE33CF4 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:32:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vk+K6jnth-lV for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B6C3E33CF3 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix (cpc2-hink4-2-0-cust212.8-2.cable.virginmedia.com [80.0.154.213]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M835V-1RTOiS2BqT-00w2Pz; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:32:29 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Tank X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:32:26 +0100 Message-ID: <75f0b7f151.tank@tankstage.co.uk> References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4E188B72.5060401@bellfamily.org.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Tank Stage Lighting User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:tGNs/FUab/0wk28KPINGMV5RSUzjM/nUFVJy04SFos+ rlZ6wx4UgrZJrOPutj++KshMLzAumxlQT1BqVDybr+Xl+/eNKx pr3uWSBDcRk/Iu/T+bGfBg9ibxg+UrdtL6gDGvaWbGzffTRN3A fNxBJJcifZ4Gik3wt8EakCuQZC91afT3Xpo2PfmBgNxiOhAOm8 T+P8VZSgLFa4gKsyz1s8g== X-archive-position: 796 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: webmaster@tankstage.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9IeoosT2N7gA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=ywlwrmdOJ28A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=S7HuWUnIbK4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=pzQaSaUXAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=IRylDGBdhG3RVzXbkvQA:9 a=ljmDKDYeO0daJ6SCmHoA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=zI4j7KUV0q0A:10 a=B2zhLkh5W7USZmfH:21 a=TMG-xLLbZZFWjZL2:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I have asked Andrew Rawnsley. He says... >>Just a comment that changing the value of DPlngScan$Memory to -1 >>instead of -2 in the run file seems to cure the problem. I certainly >>haven't been able to trigger it with that set, whereas with -2 it >>happens quite frequently. >>I wonder if you previously tested on a non-xM Beagleboard (256Mb) >>where as the xM has 512Mb? > As I read it $Memory is -1 on RISC OS 5 or bigger i.e. Dynamic Areas and > -2 on other machines i.e. wimp slot. > Question for Tank, what sort of Beagleboard, 256 or 512? David, My Beagle's are both 512M, one each Rev B and C (Rev B not available ATM (it started to smoke !!)). Tank -- webmaster@tankstage.co.uk Iyonix PC To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 12 18:12:12 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QggIj-026knw-03-8hK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:12:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QggIj-026knw-03-8hK; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:59:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QggIj-026knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:59:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QggIe-00069X-HO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:59:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27518E33D35; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:59:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hNG2ePRsvphI; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC9BEE33D31; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:58:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC8D9E33D35 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:58:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id agKy9+8olKrJ for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B91BE33D31 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:58:49 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroGACp9HE7Unw4U/2dsb2JhbABTmDiOeXeIegLCFYY6BJdbi00 Received: from outmx08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2011 17:58:32 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1QggI3-0006VJ-L5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:58:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:58:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? Message-ID: <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4E188B72.5060401@bellfamily.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 797 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eiRTcOgpoWwA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gnPlgTU1vC-GocxrKqwA:9 a=J347a6djXY2tUCmWi1oA:7 a=7BAos6cj6b8Y3gsQ:21 a=A-hc-36BRb20KNrG:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I have asked Andrew Rawnsley. He says... > >Just a comment that changing the value of DPlngScan$Memory to -1 > >instead of -2 in the run file seems to cure the problem. I certainly > >haven't been able to trigger it with that set, whereas with -2 it > >happens quite frequently. > >I wonder if you previously tested on a non-xM Beagleboard (256Mb) > >where as the xM has 512Mb? > As I read it $Memory is -1 on RISC OS 5 or bigger i.e. Dynamic Areas and > -2 on other machines i.e. wimp slot. > Question for Tank, what sort of Beagleboard, 256 or 512? I have just done a small number of tests. So far, if DPlngScan$Memory is set to -1, there is no crash, but resetting DPlngScan$Memory to -2, the crashes come back. Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 12 19:12:13 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QghMq-0Q3GPo-07-G9j.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:12:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QghMq-0Q3GPo-07-G9j; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:07:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QghMq-0Q3GPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:07:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QghMm-00078k-V7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:07:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DD6AE33BD3; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:07:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L-jsm9EzQ1ww; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 099CBE33806; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:07:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D340BE3385C for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:07:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9aKLdx0zt0Nu for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 959BAE33806 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QghMV-0006SO-he for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:07:11 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:05:41 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4E188B72.5060401@bellfamily.org.uk> <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 798 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tewIUDeXIgIA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yIjnDQraMobEBL4crFcA:9 a=xY_RPp94SImYTtDVrzMA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Ckkl_ZtQ3wSLwscU:21 a=mmxXFqbfVs3nGEFK:21 In message <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes >I have just done a small number of tests. So far, if DPlngScan$Memory >is set to -1, there is no crash, but resetting DPlngScan$Memory to >-2, the crashes come back. Can you tell me the version of RISC OS on the ARMini? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 12 20:12:25 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qgi9W-4IQVbs-04-FN3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:12:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qgi9W-4IQVbs-04-FN3; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:57:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qgi9W-4IQVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:57:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qgi9V-0000be-E1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:57:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23454E338E1; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:57:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IKtOK26vjC7f; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9957FE33623; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:57:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 311C5E33797 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:57:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HQg25cazjPEV for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C99ACE33623 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:57:32 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AroGAB6YHE7Unw4U/2dsb2JhbABTmDiOeneIfMIFhjoEl1uLTQ Received: from outmx08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2011 19:57:31 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Qgi9D-00089Y-EX for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:57:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:57:13 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? Message-ID: <51f1c531d9chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4E188B72.5060401@bellfamily.org.uk> <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 799 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eiRTcOgpoWwA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=i2BWIEjQooJYjLN1HYkA:9 a=u82nXvEBOkS1U4mfBRMA:7 a=towLZ_KjgddNpeIJ:21 a=HwcnfsQWXW4Qkxdh:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Can you tell me the version of RISC OS on the ARMini? It reports itself as 5.17 (19 Jan 2010) - I think it has had a bit of customisation for the ARMini. Andrew has advised against trying to run any other (later) versions. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 12 20:12:27 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QgiJ7-2tuVbs-05-FDS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:12:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QgiJ7-2tuVbs-05-FDS; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:07:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QgiJ7-2tuVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:07:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QgiJ4-00040a-00 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:07:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E866EE33BF7; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:07:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dqmbPAqdhE64; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9990E33BF5; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:07:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE824E33943 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:07:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fHkf78hGsukU for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F4BEE33927 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.168.123.1 ([91.85.185.168]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id p6CJ7IPR026090 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:07:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ovation Pro) To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:59:12 +0100 X-Organization: Orpheusmail, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.41 for RISC OS 4.39 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? Message-Id: <2455755.1959127-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 800 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=ajCFBSiu4qQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3vULhddJrKPZPaEsXzwA:9 a=Zgql8hm2Ftpq9nE8DVEA:7 a=xS900YrA2ci3IKxH:21 a=0y2E4dKRFyxWXlkS:21 On Tue 12 Jul 2011 (19:05:41 +0100), flist@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >In message <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson > writes >>I have just done a small number of tests. So far, if DPlngScan$Memory >>is set to -1, there is no crash, but resetting DPlngScan$Memory to >>-2, the crashes come back. > >Can you tell me the version of RISC OS on the ARMini? On mine it is 5.17 (19 Jan 10) Shared C is 5.59; 512Mbts However I don't run DPScan as my scanner is not USB. ....................................................... My software failed on the Armini because the 'C' code:- while(!feof ) { read ........... } read one more rubbish line on the Armini after the eof John -- John Evans Mijas Winchester To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 12 22:42:21 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QgkeF-4ZY000-08-CsK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 22:42:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QgkeF-4ZY000-08-CsK; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 21:37:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QgkeF-4ZY000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 21:37:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qgke9-0000uu-N2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 21:37:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A68C1E33BF5; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:37:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MJGP5Z91Z2Wf; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43F83E2E75A; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:37:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15447E3296A for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:37:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ejGfMQofGfJr for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nm3.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (nm3.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.183.201]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 8A986E2E75A for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [217.146.183.198] by nm3.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2011 21:37:16 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.206] by tm4.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2011 21:37:16 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jul 2011 21:37:16 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 823941.63742.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 67838 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2011 21:37:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Subject:To:From:X-Editor:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To:X-Organization:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gj0OevC+7883R9BdG1CYhIf5kCXslOxwkvJ5yCDrwUzPWAe4Tv3OLWGbRtD9PXb5GbQ0kfANIcNRjFvJCgM8q1AstdQmZaD/cF+sbvYmtXY3Jq7bzvte0SjGdr4r8oPbQ3NlyoyeCtiZy6+Xur6UuUBXEjQFvUI4ToDA4LpcSjg= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1310506636; bh=9pO6jL6Za1Xc6H+8ncKA8/n5v4pVK+aisk+lkU29SFI=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Subject:To:From:X-Editor:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To:X-Organization:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Qq1MBzTaC0NoYThv+O6DJ+M/4ZPr9njTW1rSsDc+maNvomQBsMEwXfbgqZNcf0D+/99JFAoK8TRzzA/6AuMXPov9sQ4VkuC0qN/+Fmp2uaZ6rTZfP9UNgUn/Sid82nJY2StDtBDdZBei8PMjgQ7kHanOqTAw9sswgGnWe1rSsCA= Received: from iyonix.btinternet.com (doug.j.webb@86.157.244.220 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2011 21:37:16 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: 6KB1.9qswBB7aigfaPph36Bh4fuxjBaHbXxkMgKlNmtSEzepUa3B X-YMail-OSG: aV3Ur30VM1mIXG_kLc9xoFWx8gyn3_bYAR3_.FvDmSoB3Dk FhaogLVzON4TeITK4DAnnzD9ZBgI8wxIgTqhT6aGY_JqLSzxAM13aXeABBO3 ll_oZtvwy4BIiEBQjzt1ZUdMn.H0FFmZAZp0lbsZSPs.quRvkbacqhxb6Y9m 9imXIYJLx_J4FOO_zuWdBVykSzK.zyOrAfmIXilODTLgZi2FFUbo1UKCKb_F XVB9YROHBFfFpU0NWquGf4itNgn9OUYDlBhz.OqK3zwJJh8r4_QRXmc2dBAj EP7mGDJ1QCxkjgKJkvjgXRHTlDGmGIUssqUSR9cAPC1zQ9JaOf.4iDPygUQ- - X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Doug Webb X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 22:35:55 +0100 Message-ID: <42b9d3f151.dougjwebb@btinternet.com> References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4E188B72.5060401@bellfamily.org.uk> <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51f1c531d9chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <51f1c531d9chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.17) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 801 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: doug.j.webb@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=OeBdgqk1JhIA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=EqrLs1jmFqkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=A86YdbzBrLAA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yDJbB9rFzfd8Vsg8Gz8A:9 a=I56o-0PUbBtaP9Np2XwA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=_i60lD6uXABiiTfq:21 a=3xRcNgQMX7VHcpfj:21 In message <51f1c531d9chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Chris Johnson wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >> Can you tell me the version of RISC OS on the ARMini? > It reports itself as 5.17 (19 Jan 2010) - I think it has had a bit of > customisation for the ARMini. Andrew has advised against trying to > run any other (later) versions. They all call themselves version even the latest test builds on the ROOL site. You will need to look at the modules list to get an idea of some sorts. Doug -- Using an IYONIX pc and RISC OS 5.16, the thinking person's alternative operating system to Microsoft Windows. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 12 23:12:17 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qgl8i-3aZ000-04-CNr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:12:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qgl8i-3aZ000-04-CNr; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 22:09:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qgl8i-3aZ000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 22:09:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qgl8f-0001Gy-1H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 22:09:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCF61E33BD6; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:09:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JFpQGC5Yaysz; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A2F8E33234; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:08:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 122A1E33B07 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:08:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ge1l-GCXTIaU for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF6E2E33234 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 18:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Qgl8M-0006nG-aT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 22:08:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:07:10 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4E188B72.5060401@bellfamily.org.uk> <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 802 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ubz75NSMRNkA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=YD4-B_gR_wzmRHSlrAwA:9 a=LK42D0VZeMpE1Zu1uBUA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SxSfDGACHHAxoYRM:21 a=cAhoIVHNF1-RLApp:21 Hi, In message <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes >I have just done a small number of tests. So far, if DPlngScan$Memory >is set to -1, there is no crash, but resetting DPlngScan$Memory to >-2, the crashes come back. Thanks Chris for the test and John and Doug for the version number. The situation is this... On ancient software DPScan uses its own wimp slot for memory (max 32M), on newer hardware (e.g. RISC PC) it uses a dynamic area, and on RISC OS 5.00 and higher it uses its own wimp slot - a good thing because on this latest version of RISC OS there is a much bigger limit on wimp slot size, and dynamic areas always have problems. All this is controlled by the DPlngScan$Memory variable, -1 for dynamic area, -2 for wimp slot and a positive value to set the size of the dynamic area. (See !ReadMe and the !Run file). As regards reliability it is better to use a dynamic area because the workspace memory is not interacting with the image storage memory. I believe that the !Run file attempts to set quite a large initial size for the wimp slot to try to give the program plenty of workspace. It is hard to say how much nearer this gets us to finding the bug. It does provide a better work around, the program should be usable with dynamic area memory. It does all point more towards a bug in DPScan, but it's not where ShowRegs says it is. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 13 11:20:02 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qgm2c-0Duknw-06-BTx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:20:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qgm2c-0Duknw-06-BTx; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:06:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qgm2c-0Duknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:06:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qgm2X-0007D3-Qp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 23:06:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A374E33D1F; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:06:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5N36bKuENmIA; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA714E33C24; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:06:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89ABFE33C3B for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:06:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UwBD3AZtLehb for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34C29E33C24 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:06:35 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AsIGADTTHE7Unw4U/2dsb2JhbABTmDmOe3eIfMIhhjoEl1+LTg Received: from outmx08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 13 Jul 2011 00:06:35 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Qgm2E-0001NG-N2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 00:06:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 00:06:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? Message-ID: <51f1dc01e0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4E188B72.5060401@bellfamily.org.uk> <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 803 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eiRTcOgpoWwA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=UUkVZfqn50o5m659p9MA:9 a=lcFDgR6NjWDn_DWrivwA:7 a=VWMaQVBEhUakySwo:21 a=B1WD11HzFym6gJR8:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > It does all point more towards a bug in DPScan, but it's not where > ShowRegs says it is. I assume there haven't been similar reports about problems on the Iyonix. A couple of days ago I did try to run DPScan on the Iyonix under conditions as near as I could get to those on the ARMini when the crash occurred. On the Iyonix I failed to provoke a crash. I may compare the versions/dates of all the ROM modules on the two machines to see how different they are. I know for example that CLib is 5.56 on the Iyonix and 5.59 on the ARMini. I assume I could also softload the latest version of the OS on the ARMini to try. Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 13 11:34:56 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qgwkp-0DI000-03-9IG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:34:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qgwkp-0DI000-03-9IG; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:33:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qgwkp-0DI000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:33:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qgwko-0007Al-7P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:33:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4353EE32DED; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:33:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jDcKJhM2rZnr; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B960BE322FB; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:33:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68704E32CC5 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:33:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oYOzUj+tbnVm for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15EF8E32CA6 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:33:01 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aqc3AIJzHU5UXeb0/2dsb2JhbABUiGyPVI57d4h6AsNBhjoEkmGEf4tO Received: from outmx03.plus.net ([84.93.230.244]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 13 Jul 2011 11:33:00 +0100 Received: from [81.174.197.189] (helo=MedionPC) by outmx03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1QgwkW-0005II-95 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:33:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: John Crane X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:26:48 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4E188B72.5060401@bellfamily.org.uk> <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51f1dc01e0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <51f1dc01e0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 804 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@johnandtina.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qSRcOTYqMC4A:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=1pTQFL-PcBu1hC6eNqYA:9 a=pfBo3EPHNYS9_SYK41oA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=tspuu3DtFL-9W_4t:21 a=VwZuni_HV9Ak5jqc:21 In message <51f1dc01e0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Chris Johnson wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >> It does all point more towards a bug in DPScan, but it's not where >> ShowRegs says it is. > I assume there haven't been similar reports about problems on the > Iyonix. A couple of days ago I did try to run DPScan on the Iyonix > under conditions as near as I could get to those on the ARMini when > the crash occurred. On the Iyonix I failed to provoke a crash. I no longer have an Iyonix, but when I did it had 512MB. I bought it with RISC OS 5.05 and kept upgrading it up to RISC OS 5.16 at which point I sold it. I never reported it to the list but it did crash in the same way as described by others. I set the run file to -1, which did seem contrary to what was suggested for the Iyonix in the ReadMe, but it worked so I never gave it another thought. This was (is) DPScan V1.23 Don't know if this helps, but at least it shows the behaviour' been around a while. John -- John Crane, RISC OS User To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 13 12:04:56 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qgx4o-24J000-03-8yH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 12:04:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qgx4o-24J000-03-8yH; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:53:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qgx4o-24J000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:53:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qgx4l-000636-Aw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:53:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75FF8E33715; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:53:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5L2oc5VuEFc9; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03B65E336F8; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:53:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C03C2E33715 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:53:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qX16xs3UCCba for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85EB0E336F8 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Qgx4U-0006R8-Xp for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:53:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:52:13 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4E188B72.5060401@bellfamily.org.uk> <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51f1dc01e0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 805 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GPVC-fD2stIA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=7vtFykjVAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kjE5kBezkTxwnqknpkMA:9 a=Qx3topj7mrImdlNJNR4A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ywWSGjxGFxEXzoMa:21 a=2QZ950j3WKezI79f:21 Hi, In message , John Crane writes >I never reported it to the list but it did crash in the same way as >described by others. I set the run file to -1, which did seem contrary >to what was suggested for the Iyonix in the ReadMe, but it worked so I >never gave it another thought. This was (is) DPScan V1.23 >Don't know if this helps, but at least it shows the behaviour' been >around a while. There is no doubt that using dynamic areas will make DPScan more reliable, and no doubt it crashes sometimes. It seems a bit of a stretch to say the above is exactly the same problem as on the ARMini though. If anyone could reproduce the problem on Iyonix today, that would be different. However, it's an interesting point because RISC OS on Iyonix must converge with RISC OS on ARMini at some point. My Iyonix is on an ancient version of RISC OS so not much use. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 13 12:04:56 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qgx7Q-2wWknw-07-8vf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 12:04:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qgx7Q-2wWknw-07-8vf; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:56:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qgx7Q-2wWknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:56:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qgx7O-0003AM-Fo for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:56:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D5CFE33740; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:56:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aI+ViBFbz5jz; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAC07E32570; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:56:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76823E336F0 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:56:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7xg9lSa9A-Mk for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3926EE32570 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 06:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Qgx76-0007T2-Y6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:56:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 11:55:20 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4E188B72.5060401@bellfamily.org.uk> <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51f1dc01e0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <51f1dc01e0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 806 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JagxsXlUauoA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=6T-JaMBom4UW0eDwnxwA:9 a=VpcYCGaw3OW-9A8kSC4A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Vaq_nxjYE7qwtijR:21 a=mp7iIA8CS4q7LL8N:21 Hi, In message <51f1dc01e0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes >I assume there haven't been similar reports about problems on the >Iyonix. Well, since your email there has been... (see posting from John Crane). >I may compare the versions/dates of all the ROM modules on the two >machines to see how different they are. I know for example that CLib >is 5.56 on the Iyonix and 5.59 on the ARMini. There is an interesting point from John Evans above about feof() having incorrect behaviour on ARMini - implies different versions of the C library existing, one with a bug in. If such a bug exists, anything can happen. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 13 13:49:59 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qgyn8-0O9000-07-FmT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:49:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qgyn8-0O9000-07-FmT; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 12:43:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qgyn8-0O9000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 12:43:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qgyn3-0004mw-8k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 12:43:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6782E31C84; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 08:43:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XgVMz42-e5Nl; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 08:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4905A5343; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 08:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 13 Jul 2011 08:43:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14C9AE31C0A for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 08:43:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sAQtwM9IXeWq for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 08:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8E6A5343 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 08:43:29 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEHAISRHU7Unw4U/2dsb2JhbABTmECOe3eIegLDNYY6BJdgi04 Received: from outmx08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 13 Jul 2011 13:43:28 +0100 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by outmx08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Qgyml-0000Em-QN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:43:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:43:09 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4E188B72.5060401@bellfamily.org.uk> <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51f1dc01e0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 807 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BDvafNzVszoA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=7vtFykjVAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-kEWaZJRcNhRopool34A:9 a=sINQ9Cuo_v_koQyANJYA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=1EmXglZkT431Sa_H:21 a=SBHkG4sQGcyUcZ9B:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message , John Crane > writes >>I never reported it to the list but it did crash in the same way as >>described by others. I set the run file to -1, which did seem contrary >>to what was suggested for the Iyonix in the ReadMe, but it worked so I >>never gave it another thought. This was (is) DPScan V1.23 >>Don't know if this helps, but at least it shows the behaviour' been >>around a while. > There is no doubt that using dynamic areas will make DPScan more > reliable, and no doubt it crashes sometimes. > It seems a bit of a stretch to say the above is exactly the same problem > as on the ARMini though. > If anyone could reproduce the problem on Iyonix today, that would be > different. > However, it's an interesting point because RISC OS on Iyonix must > converge with RISC OS on ARMini at some point. My Iyonix is on an > ancient version of RISC OS so not much use. Just to confirm that I can use DPScan 1.25 without problems on my Iyonix with RISC OS 5.16 and 512MB of memory. Bernard -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 13 14:05:00 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qgz6s-1t7GPo-02-FSj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:05:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qgz6s-1t7GPo-02-FSj; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:04:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qgz6s-1t7GPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:04:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qgz6l-0001MU-41 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:04:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC7F5E32450; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:04:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NVb6DxRrGZtk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48F6BE3238B; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:03:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1E8CE323D7 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:03:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gN+G5ZL-BSO1 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FCD3E3238B for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (178-26-97-95-dynip.superkabel.de [178.26.97.95]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MCfWE-1QqMkw188Q-008y3d; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:03:48 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:55:16 +0200 Message-ID: <53e427f251.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4E188B72.5060401@bellfamily.org.uk> <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51f1dc01e0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:rKNwLrrxbShqmeVHBZUXZixudQ3aIHEfAUJBDv0vKFC cf4f28zfNSCFK9k/k0gsG9Zy5ydH+f/SVWV/ge7tC5K7Y/7RCm ISGOj/Ojw7HOYcAxH7x93Hc7Jf7x/1mnE9h1jXm4bzG9sYO9cz 0nSdCoAoSNBwBl14sdOSQuiOp1X8EjVkta3JGMnUmoCiXEkPg1 UGYQTr5UJiFnEcAoHBwbg== X-archive-position: 808 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=n8CY3aZOSOYA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=PhaTGST-Xv8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=UiHvSpAEqpMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=211ytj8rJ9RLQ6nWOoYA:9 a=rPE_LJ1Gyj4He5djcq8A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 In message Bernard Veasey wrote: > Just to confirm that I can use DPScan 1.25 without problems on my > Iyonix with RISC OS 5.16 and 512MB of memory. I take it you have checked that the memory setting is -2? Does it work even if you run it without running any other application before it? Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 13 14:05:00 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qgz6w-1qOGPo-06-FSf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:05:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qgz6w-1qOGPo-06-FSf; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:04:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qgz6w-1qOGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:04:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qgz6p-0007Ng-Tm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:04:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FDABE32D7E; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:04:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g1iTJR97gLjD; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDF79E3236D; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:03:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD4E1E323EC for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:03:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zXarK68puimU for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16BD7E323E8 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (178-26-97-95-dynip.superkabel.de [178.26.97.95]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lf0SV-1RHRAh2Ltf-00pyFI; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:03:48 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:02:28 +0200 Message-ID: <3e8d28f251.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <2455755.1959127-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2455755.1959127-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:Q8ZkvQ9bBlCyVEglj1EDAqkuEaEAdspdgZ3dEKnQQay 358aNncHjtakF594sG3RrPPMpRIK2xqHiQps2dNxwd0D4xtuGU CB/ojhH+LVj6FSoOFyJXOrP1RIBU/uQESDq6lFxqRPZHDiWRhq YUc5F7u3J2YUXDOAUKVnxfyNdfF7+rCF6fCtRShMdf0gJS+aCT 03nwM0oN8O623TjPL5fUQ== X-archive-position: 809 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=n8CY3aZOSOYA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=PhaTGST-Xv8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=UiHvSpAEqpMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=fJ7p51BqAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gRIT2LIBXAd-CpFUpcgA:9 a=6KG13L4LbiizwLJexqcA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=EiAL5nLiLjwA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=Rw5Vd3D5wJOjOqjK:21 a=q6fzU2fs3oAJlq8e:21 In message <2455755.1959127-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk (Ovation Pro) wrote: > My software failed on the Armini because the 'C' code:- > while(!feof ) > { > read ........... > } > read one more rubbish line on the Armini after the eof I doubt that there is a problem with feof on the ARMini. I did a quick test and its behaviour looked the same as on the Iyonix. The above code reflects a common misconception about feof. You cannot use it to test whether you are at the end of the file (i.e., "is there something still left to be read?"). Instead, it only tells you whether some operation has already read past the end of the file. So, if the previous read operation has consumed all that remained in the file (including the final EOL), feof still returns FALSE even though there is nothing left to be read, and so your "read" code attempts to read more data. What happens then is down to how your "read" code is implemented. If it is something like "fgets", it will return NULL to indicate an error, but if you do not check its return value, it will leave your char array unchanged and this will look like a rubbish line read. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 13 14:20:01 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QgzFd-2uMGPo-04-FJy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:20:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QgzFd-2uMGPo-04-FJy; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:13:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QgzFd-2uMGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:13:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QgzFZ-0004Bo-HS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:13:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 407BBE3224F; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:13:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tq8kXN7kxP-X; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41D50E31FDC; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:12:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18BE7E31C43 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:12:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U0aTuGhQw53l for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7DDDE31834 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-209-6.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.209.6]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p6DDCgUQ025684 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:12:42 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:12:47 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4E188B72.5060401@bellfamily.org.uk> <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51f1dc01e0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <53e427f251.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <53e427f251.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 810 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BDvafNzVszoA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=f9eIa0VQZQ0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rks_G8Dr7Eaqtji_C0gA:9 a=u9AV-HmTgN1XR9o-IawA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=xvjrofsgEd4y4pXq:21 a=IGyEaE10A_adLgyc:21 On 13 Jul 2011 Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Bernard Veasey wrote: >> Just to confirm that I can use DPScan 1.25 without problems on my >> Iyonix with RISC OS 5.16 and 512MB of memory. > I take it you have checked that the memory setting is -2? Does it work > even if you run it without running any other application before it? FWIW I have the -2 setting here, with the same OS and memory as Bernard, but with version 1.24 of the app. DPlngScan is run as the ninth app in Run at Startup, and I don't think I've ever had it crash. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:18:10 +0200 Message-ID: <08fd29f251.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4E188B72.5060401@bellfamily.org.uk> <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51f1dc01e0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <53e427f251.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:mPcGz3FboDYgGWaU8KNEMP+l7aYnS2JoCJHs+cLnlS5 8BmTEpaZGE1vip9ji4c+3auZ8SaXH3mlWlWa4a0tLRXBgnd+Gj sV8lzXD3P/AEZbbf2Y7rLEtrMxBOnnET82Ey7kvhFaZ+9ICvLJ 6q+Lgw18/HRXvslE30UbbYZjPPq1kx64dlbTJznMyuCzBmJxkH l2OlBdl+kYoUNAzbhqd/w== X-archive-position: 811 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=n8CY3aZOSOYA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=PhaTGST-Xv8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=UiHvSpAEqpMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lqt4Y16ah_svxa7ce0cA:9 a=1Zf_TlHTEGojQNdgCjsA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=QES7ziqCPQggsgVx:21 a=vndKRpMtMBOtEFlp:21 In message Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 13 Jul 2011 Martin Wuerthner wrote: >> In message >> Bernard Veasey wrote: >>> Just to confirm that I can use DPScan 1.25 without problems on my >>> Iyonix with RISC OS 5.16 and 512MB of memory. >> I take it you have checked that the memory setting is -2? Does it work >> even if you run it without running any other application before it? > FWIW I have the -2 setting here, with the same OS and memory as > Bernard, but with version 1.24 of the app. DPlngScan is run as the > ninth app in Run at Startup, and I don't think I've ever had it crash. That does not tell us much. DPScan does not crash on the ARMini either when run as the ninth app. What happens when you run it as the first app? Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 13 15:05:02 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qgzzd-2ojknw-07-EZy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:05:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qgzzd-2ojknw-07-EZy; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:00:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qgzzd-2ojknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:00:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qgzza-0007jc-P3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:00:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A01EBE3318E; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:00:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1vm973YUQmpc; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BFD3E330F7; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:00:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D922BE33133 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:00:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4xJyYhMQEu3l for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82448E330F7 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:00:26 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEHAEWkHU5UXebr/2dsb2JhbABTmEGOe3eIegLDUYY6BJdgi04 Received: from outmx07.plus.net ([84.93.230.235]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 13 Jul 2011 15:00:26 +0100 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by outmx07.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1QgzzG-0001bG-1F for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:00:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:59:25 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <3zBIaYDOZ0FOFwPZ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <0h3o+tCYHGGOFw36@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4E188B72.5060401@bellfamily.org.uk> <51f1ba4b9bchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51f1dc01e0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <53e427f251.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <53e427f251.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 812 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BDvafNzVszoA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nZZcS7ft_Y1Xw979bjwA:9 a=HgXJdptz_l0MbxdxXgkA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=IMewXqJpszvW8vJa:21 a=04zSHNa6ZgrdrAOD:21 In message <53e427f251.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message > Bernard Veasey wrote: >> Just to confirm that I can use DPScan 1.25 without problems on my >> Iyonix with RISC OS 5.16 and 512MB of memory. > I take it you have checked that the memory setting is -2? Does it work > even if you run it without running any other application before it? > Martin Yes it was -2 but I have tried again. I first of all stopped all the software from loading that autostarts. I reset the computer. I loaded DPScan 1.25 I did: *show DPlngScan$Memory DPlngScan$Memory(Number) : -2 I loaded a sprite into DPScan I saved the same sprite back to the hard disc. No problems or errors. Bernard -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jul 14 19:52:01 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qh7Vx-1T6GPo-05-FaA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:52:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qh7Vx-1T6GPo-05-FaA; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:02:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qh7Vx-1T6GPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:02:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qh7Vw-0007Bw-DX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:02:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D25BE33D5E; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:02:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Iwbr+AXiuZIZ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C30FEE3337A; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:02:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95DD3E33486 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:02:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LSNqZtAdR6-6 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.143]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5414E3337A for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:02:22 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8BAA8UHk55LPgt/2dsb2JhbAAMR5hK2zyGOgSjQw Received: from ppp121-44-248-45.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [192.168.1.3]) ([121.44.248.45]) by ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2011 07:32:19 +0930 Message-ID: <4E1E15E5.2040303@internode.on.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 08:02:13 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Lock symbol References: <4CF5AFE5.90306@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 813 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7Da5kHvgTEoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=R0VqqYXH2TpzeHVWtdcA:9 a=AedR3vy9F3wkqqvZz1AA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Why does the lock key appear when trying to high light a section of text. For instance need to move a paragraph or a word click and key appears. Using windows 7 64 bit I7 computer with a clean install of all programs etc. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, NSW, Australia To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jul 14 19:52:02 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qh8VD-0q4knw-07-Eau.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:52:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qh8VD-0q4knw-07-Eau; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 23:05:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qh8VD-0q4knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 23:05:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qh8V9-0001zK-AO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 23:05:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51347E32B6F; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:05:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dt3hZ8Gd4UJf; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1B6AE327B3; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:05:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A23CDE327EF for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:05:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Mz413k4y5M5 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D169E327B3 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:05:36 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlEGAD0kHk7Unw4U/2dsb2JhbABHDJhKjnh3iHoCwlCDJYMVBJdji08 Received: from outmx08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2011 00:05:36 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Qh8Up-0007Sp-J2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:05:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:04:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Lock symbol Message-ID: <51f25fb44cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4E1E15E5.2040303@internode.on.net> References: <4CF5AFE5.90306@internode.on.net> <4E1E15E5.2040303@internode.on.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 814 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eiRTcOgpoWwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Npn9PEg5AAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Yaun6QR6XVKwEWXH3rkA:9 a=CghPstZee_aDD3XTqB4A:7 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 In article <4E1E15E5.2040303@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett wrote: > Why does the lock key appear when trying to high light a section > of text. > For instance need to move a paragraph or a word click and key > appears. > Using windows 7 64 bit I7 computer with a clean install of all > programs etc. This has come up on previous occasions. Quoting from previous posts: > Dave Symes wrote: > > Want to select it, put caret at the start of the selection then > > drag along the text, it doesn't, we get a key symbol instead. Chris Johnson wrote: > I think you are holding down the mouse button too long before > starting the drag. A 'long' hold down is detected by OPro as the > start of a 'move the frame' operation. However, if the frame is a > master frame, then it is locked and cannot be moved and the key > pointer is to remind you of this. If you start the drag to select > the text straight away then the selection occurs. David Pilling wrote: > Yes, the problem is OP having the concepts of click drag (mark > text) and long click drag (move things). Whilst no one seemed to > have problems with this on RISC OS on Windows it has upset people > and I added a > Choice->View->long click delay > setting. ISTR that by setting it big enough you can get rid of long > click drags. See the changes file on the web site. Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jul 14 22:45:42 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QhTfI-1IgGPo-06-ATr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 22:45:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QhTfI-1IgGPo-06-ATr; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:41:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QhTfI-1IgGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:41:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QhTfH-0001gI-MX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 21:41:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B71FE33DEE; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:41:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y8Xv84B-Q5Y0; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BAE7E320CE; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:41:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D161E33D38 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:41:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ffLgNAFvvVKm for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A020E320CE for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 17:41:30 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AncCAOxgH055LPgt/2dsb2JhbAAMSJhj3AqGOgSjRw Received: from ppp121-44-248-45.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [192.168.1.3]) ([121.44.248.45]) by ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2011 07:11:27 +0930 Message-ID: <4E1F6281.4000309@internode.on.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 07:41:21 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Lock symbol References: <4CF5AFE5.90306@internode.on.net> <4E1E15E5.2040303@internode.on.net> <51f25fb44cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <51f25fb44cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 815 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7Da5kHvgTEoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yEWDNB4gh9YZ1WsXnE0A:9 a=mbs1HHO_SKPayobJeGIA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=GuD6kkZSeGoA:10 Thanks for responding sorted - as it did not help when the latest version of OP was not installed now it is. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, NSW, Australia To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 15 11:29:19 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QhauS-0nIVbs-02-BlD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:29:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QhauS-0nIVbs-02-BlD; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 05:25:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QhauS-0nIVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 05:25:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QhauQ-0000Mh-Ne for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 05:25:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14F5DE3403B; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:25:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v7LqdO0FQf8Q; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50AD9E33437; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:25:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20B44E34032 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:25:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t9595GzJ52By for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C02B4E33FC0 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.122.92]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p6F5PPAO032125 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 06:25:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 06:25:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Lock symbol Message-ID: <51f30660a7dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51f25fb44cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <4CF5AFE5.90306@internode.on.net> <4E1E15E5.2040303@internode.on.net> <51f25fb44cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 816 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KR5MIgd2fWAA:10 a=Vt-lPvQP9RgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MtnujKvHya6ppwgwqRIA:9 a=Xuwk-IeikZaMveq7uJsA:7 In article <51f25fb44cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: [Snip] > > I think you are holding down the mouse button too long before > > starting the drag. A 'long' hold down is detected by OPro as the > > start of a 'move the frame' operation. However, if the frame is a > > master frame, then it is locked and cannot be moved and the key > > pointer is to remind you of this. If you start the drag to select > > the text straight away then the selection occurs. > David Pilling wrote: > > Yes, the problem is OP having the concepts of click drag (mark > > text) and long click drag (move things). Whilst no one seemed to > > have problems with this on RISC OS on Windows it has upset people > > and I added a > > Choice->View->long click delay > > setting. ISTR that by setting it big enough you can get rid of long > > click drags. See the changes file on the web site. > Chris... We've found that 150 seems to be a good average setting for the Long click delay. Dave I guess worth noting though... When I changed the computer a while ago for a much faster Core 2 and 3 Gigs processors, I did have to up that figure a little. D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 15 11:59:13 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QhfxH-2AhGPo-08-FEu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:59:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QhfxH-2AhGPo-08-FEu; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:49:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QhfxH-2AhGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:49:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QhfxD-0007QU-P7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:49:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3C35E335CB; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 06:49:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AwOPnph0LhVv; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 06:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 021F0E33556; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 06:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 06:48:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5CB1E3355E for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 06:48:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x4mVq2Kn6v2Q for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 06:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CE53E33556 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 06:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Qhfwt-0000cq-jr for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:48:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 11:47:15 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Lock symbol References: <4CF5AFE5.90306@internode.on.net> <4E1E15E5.2040303@internode.on.net> <51f25fb44cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51f30660a7dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51f30660a7dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 817 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vmiU5qgA3T8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tZV4mG0OFu7S0KqrZ7cA:9 a=ZpKpqA640pdG546czzoA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=8_ynJb1vrIcom5Bw:21 a=WiR7sDzpd9MP3XJZ:21 In message <51f30660a7dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >I guess worth noting though... When I changed the computer a while ago for >a much faster Core 2 and 3 Gigs processors, I did have to up that figure a >little. It would be unhappy if the computer clock goes faster with a faster processor. The time settings is in units of seconds, not clock cycles. However it is interesting if a faster computer makes you click more slowly. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 15 20:14:29 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qhnha-2El000-08-G17.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:14:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qhnha-2El000-08-G17; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:05:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qhnha-2El000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:05:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QhnhY-0005nT-M4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:05:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8B0AE345F5; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:05:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CqP3oJKIvGK6; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E00CE345DF; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:05:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BE19E34469 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:05:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q4+KjbTB40KP for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4158E345DF for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.139.69]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p6FJ59cG027223 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:05:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:04:06 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Lock symbol Message-ID: <51f35154e9dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4CF5AFE5.90306@internode.on.net> <4E1E15E5.2040303@internode.on.net> <51f25fb44cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51f30660a7dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 818 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KR5MIgd2fWAA:10 a=Vt-lPvQP9RgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=55Js6Mb2wWnEvVNIyu4A:9 a=a4VPim2GVrJU-2jechwA:7 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=0547IpHYnukk5hkW:21 a=ttqOxy20he6F8kht:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <51f30660a7dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >I guess worth noting though... When I changed the computer a while ago > >for a much faster Core 2 and 3 Gigs processors, I did have to up that > >figure a little. > It would be unhappy if the computer clock goes faster with a faster > processor. The time settings is in units of seconds, not clock cycles. > However it is interesting if a faster computer makes you click more > slowly. Yes, sorry, that didn't seem quite right when I wrote it, but it was based on something Fay said when we moved stuff to the faster computer. I've just checked the actual setting in OvPro and it's the same as I originally set it on the old machine. Doctor, I think my brain hurts... Dave Aha! I've just remembered what it was... And it wasn't an Ov Pro specific difficulty. (Mouse double click settings). Anyway, it appears the setting of 150 (what-evers) is the one that works for both of us. D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 16 14:23:37 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Qi4il-4bMknw-05-G2y.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 14:23:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Qi4il-4bMknw-05-G2y; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:15:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Qi4il-4bMknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:15:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Qi4ik-0007HA-8b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:15:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8B07E34E71; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:15:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gzgIyrK2Q2HX; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37FC9E32142; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:15:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0695BE34DFC for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:15:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jpCKiYzZ32SQ for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB625E32142 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Qi4iS-0000mQ-cN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 13:15:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 14:14:13 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 819 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GoqRIcZBcXQA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=DNS-LIeQAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xQCtYOKLIxrJif_qExMA:9 a=hDX9s5s7KO9ixy2hVRcA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=wHerS46xr2p-QpJy:21 a=KNpNp7DXqsMpBUGf:21 Hi, In message , Jeremy Nicoll - zf freelists writes >David Pilling wrote: > >> The crash occurs with the program counter pointing at the last >> instruction below: >> >> ADD R13,R13,#4 >> LDR R6,&0008FB24 >> LDR R5,&00090490 >> CMP R0,#0 >> BLT &00090480 >So the LDR R5... is the instruction being executed? If you put these two >LDR instructions in the opposite order does the crash happen 4 bytes earlier We have (eventually) tried this, and yes the crash happens 4 bytes sooner. >> There is the external change theory, the memory has been paged out or >> read protected - seems unlikely unless the ARMmini has a 1K page size. >Why 1K? I think I got that wrong - no idea what I was thinking about. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 19 15:58:44 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QjBXy-2ivVbs-01-FPt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:58:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QjBXy-2ivVbs-01-FPt; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:45:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QjBXy-2ivVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:45:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QjBXq-0004MG-Jo for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:45:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49C2CE35DC4; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:44:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SzDpp9aiYaip; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DBF96E33C8D; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:44:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3158E354CF for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:44:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NRzykQq2+jEw for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32CD1E33C8D for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 10:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QjBWY-0000ms-e1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:44:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:42:26 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <4D1LWhFe4FFOFw8t@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ee943aa1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51eebd31e8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 820 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=NwTo_5t646MA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=S5GmAjAULA2jumMh4UwA:9 a=vuEAYjOlUCMnsTR02TgA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=JXVfBSOsb8QjNG64:21 a=jBvHMrS8-870c6Q3:21 Hi, In message , David Pilling writes >>> The crash occurs with the program counter pointing at the last >>> instruction below: >>> ADD R13,R13,#4 >>> LDR R6,&0008FB24 >>> LDR R5,&00090490 >>> CMP R0,#0 >>> BLT &00090480 Once again Chris has done a test for me. I replaced the above code LDR R6, LDR R5 with: NOP ; <- changes start NOP LDR v3,[pc, #L0000b4-.-8] NOP NOP MOV v2,#&84 ORR v2,v2,#&2D00 ORR v2,v2,#&D0000 NOP NOP NOP <- changes end The crash is the R5 load, which gets a constant address from memory. Instead of doing that I have put in the MOV, ORR, ORR sequence that loads the same value. The program now does not crash. Of course what I don't know is if adding the above words would have been enough to stop the error. In other words if memory alignment or offset values is the problem. If there are any users left reading this, the above is not a solution. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 19 19:13:52 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QjEk8-2NMGPo-05-CDj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:13:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QjEk8-2NMGPo-05-CDj; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:10:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QjEk8-2NMGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:10:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QjEjy-0002R4-Vg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:10:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B516E35E09; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:09:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VkIQIokp7+4n; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0664E35CCC; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:09:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3DC7E35DB0 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:09:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pk2YtvOoKKfL for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com (smtp12.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.74]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AE89E35CCC for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=webmail.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with smtp (Dentaku) (envelope-from ) id 1QjEjS-0008Nz-54 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 03:09:22 +0900 Received: from 210.194.86.187 (auth. user plattir@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:09:22 +0000 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:09:22 +0000 X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-archive-position: 821 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=98KUbWzNKyoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=R_Z2j388yNRc_6dpU5cA:9 a=fisqWrk4EALEdsHXakkA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Jt5BziSGoeKQK189:21 a=8nXLSz4F9CAkKjLn:21 On 19/7/2011, "David Pilling" wrote: >Hi, > >In message , David Pilling > writes >>>> The crash occurs with the program counter pointing at the last >>>> instruction below: > >>>> ADD R13,R13,#4 > >>>> LDR R6,&0008FB24 >>>> LDR R5,&00090490 > >>>> CMP R0,#0 >>>> BLT &00090480 > >Once again Chris has done a test for me. I replaced the above code LDR >R6, LDR R5 with: > > NOP ; <- changes start > NOP > LDR v3,[pc, #L0000b4-.-8] > NOP > NOP > MOV v2,#&84 > ORR v2,v2,#&2D00 > ORR v2,v2,#&D0000 > NOP > NOP > NOP <- changes end > >The crash is the R5 load, which gets a constant address from memory. >Instead of doing that I have put in the MOV, ORR, ORR sequence that >loads the same value. > >The program now does not crash. > >Of course what I don't know is if adding the above words would have been >enough to stop the error. In other words if memory alignment or offset >values is the problem. > >If there are any users left reading this, the above is not a solution. > Oh yes! We're agog and thankful you're still on the case, David. :-) Best wishes Ian P. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 20 11:47:05 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QjJdW-4U9Vbs-02-Fqr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:47:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QjJdW-4U9Vbs-02-Fqr; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 23:23:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QjJdW-4U9Vbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 23:23:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QjJdR-0002Sh-O3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 23:23:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A67FE35D07; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:23:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XybYs5ARouQS; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99669E3555D; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:23:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C628E35C1D for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:23:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ikLq0XuCfpYo for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfilter5.ihug.co.nz (mailfilter5.ihug.co.nz [203.109.136.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DAEF7E3555D for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2011 19:23:12 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AssHANEQJk7Lbfjh/2dsb2JhbABUmFiPesxohV1fBJJohHWLeg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.67,231,1309694400"; d="scan'208";a="380640629" Received: from 225.248.109.203.static.cust.vf.net.nz (HELO fricka.khnet.nz) ([203.109.248.225]) by smtp.mailfilter5.ihug.co.nz with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 20 Jul 2011 11:23:08 +1200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? From: Keith & Elizabeth Hopper In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:23:09 +1200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8D6FE89A-F532-4C45-933C-FCDA93709549@asgard.org.nz> References: To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-archive-position: 822 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: qnh@asgard.org.nz Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=HAeR1ZFCK2Hst7ffpEsA:9 a=EIYvGrOh-YP-12YUogMA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=7Ycz88juiyI7kkQn:21 a=jqyyZAR8kU0_CV9R:21 On 20/07/2011, at 06:09, Ian Platt wrote: > On 19/7/2011, "David Pilling" wrote: >=20 >> In message , David Pilling >> writes >>>>> The crash occurs with the program counter pointing at the last >>>>> instruction below: >>=20 >>>>> ADD R13,R13,#4 >>=20 >>>>> LDR R6,&0008FB24 >>>>> LDR R5,&00090490 >>=20 >>>>> CMP R0,#0 >>>>> BLT &00090480 >>=20 >> Once again Chris has done a test for me. I replaced the above code = LDR >> R6, LDR R5 with: >>=20 >> NOP ; <- changes start >> NOP >> LDR v3,[pc, #L0000b4-.-8] >> NOP >> NOP >> MOV v2,#&84 >> ORR v2,v2,#&2D00 >> ORR v2,v2,#&D0000 >> NOP >> NOP >> NOP <- changes end >>=20 >> The crash is the R5 load, which gets a constant address from memory. >> Instead of doing that I have put in the MOV, ORR, ORR sequence that >> loads the same value. >>=20 >> The program now does not crash. >>=20 >> Of course what I don't know is if adding the above words would have = been >> enough to stop the error. In other words if memory alignment or = offset >> values is the problem. At the risk of sounding naive, has the crash anything to do with = taking or not taking the branch? Is the result of the compare different = with the two sequences of code? If the hardware 'knows' that the segment for the load contains a = constant does this affect the pipeline length in the ARMini?? If it = could do so then might that be a clue? Just a few thoughts, Keith To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 20 12:16:55 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QjUlD-3TFVbs-06-DFg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:16:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QjUlD-3TFVbs-06-DFg; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:16:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QjUlD-3TFVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:16:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QjUlC-0002RT-O2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:16:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9F63E35DEA; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:16:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZJ7ROgav19LI; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48FEFE33D86; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:15:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C887E35DA3 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:15:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4NRi1Y0spXnA for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0E22E33D86 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QjUku-0001db-XC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 11:15:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 12:14:42 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <8D6FE89A-F532-4C45-933C-FCDA93709549@asgard.org.nz> In-Reply-To: <8D6FE89A-F532-4C45-933C-FCDA93709549@asgard.org.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 823 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5Qtx5TdRoDUA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=civAzdLvAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=U1mJ_u66tJQyNB0CgpEA:9 a=oL4FYU4z3GFybbKvGo0A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=eqdYgxY6lS3L80oO:21 a=g9xROYmh8EENX3Ju:21 Hi, In message <8D6FE89A-F532-4C45-933C-FCDA93709549@asgard.org.nz>, Keith & Elizabeth Hopper writes >>>>>> ADD R13,R13,#4 >>> >>>>>> LDR R6,&0008FB24 >>>>>> LDR R5,&00090490 >>> >>>>>> CMP R0,#0 >>>>>> BLT &00090480 > At the risk of sounding naive, has the crash anything to do with taking or >not taking the branch? Is the result of the compare different with the two >sequences of code? The code is: while((event=nextevent(&es,POLLMASK,-1,-1,-1))>=0) { claimed|=eventstack[event].fn.pollmask(eventstack[event].handle,&wimpev ent); } The CMP maps to the >=0. As it happens there is always one POLLMASK event, so we go through this loop twice, once with success and once with fail. One time we do the BLT and one time we don't. So yes, good question does it crash when it takes the branch or when it does not. I tried to find that out, but putting in some printf()s stops the crash from happening. > If the hardware 'knows' that the segment for the load contains a constant >does this affect the pipeline length in the ARMini?? If it could do so then might >that be a clue? No idea. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 25 11:27:21 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QlIMh-3UEknw-07-CSu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:27:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QlIMh-3UEknw-07-CSu; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:26:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QlIMh-3UEknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:26:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QlIMf-0001Cg-M1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:26:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A020CE35E5A; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 06:26:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SUB+4yfc2SyO; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 06:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF260E35DF2; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 06:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Jul 2011 06:26:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A56B3E35E15 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 06:26:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q5m1tBmmyYmA for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 06:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CAA6E35DF2 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 06:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QlIMB-0000P9-fW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:26:02 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:24:28 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <8D6FE89A-F532-4C45-933C-FCDA93709549@asgard.org.nz> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 824 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ixxJterINDIA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LMxWcvIkiYjBR-3paIIA:9 a=ChEM4E9fkr-BaFRuaZIA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=-u050g-Ob2RepM67:21 a=4QUrslMG6QpQbbIk:21 Hi, I thought you'd like to hear the latest instalment of the saga. I asked on the ROOL open forum about the problem, and the experts there think it is due to a bug in lazy task swopping. No word yet if anyone has found the bug. Chris Johnson has observed what looks like the same problem in SyncDiscs. Google tells me that there were lazy task swopping problems in the past - it'd be good if someone had a way of testing or finding such problems. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 25 12:42:23 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QlJUY-064Vbs-05-BL3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:42:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QlJUY-064Vbs-05-BL3; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:38:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QlJUY-064Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:38:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QlJUT-00012M-CB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:38:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AA7EE35FE2; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:38:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B6I08RPTbkue; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AA96E35F47; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:38:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE809E35F57 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:38:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O6P6Zr386Uw8 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E848E35F47 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:38:12 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiwIAMxULU7Unw4U/2dsb2JhbAA0AQEFLWkMGDoQBFEemEaPEXeIfsAkhj8El3eLWg Received: from outmx08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2011 12:38:12 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1QlJUB-000430-T0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:38:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:37:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? Message-ID: <51f84ec92achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <8D6FE89A-F532-4C45-933C-FCDA93709549@asgard.org.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.17) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 825 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pURRam1v_usA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=n5RKulN-8SIX93HyJGIA:9 a=3xWlOw_ga-infAIcebEA:7 a=FnMpf5_3E1MiR9si:21 a=7AUT15__qLPbxsES:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Google tells me that there were lazy task swopping problems in the > past - it'd be good if someone had a way of testing or finding > such problems. All I can add is that if lazy task swopping is disabled on the ARMini, the problem with DPScan, and the occasional random crashes of SyncDiscs, both seem to disappear. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 25 21:27:41 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QlRYE-3YeVbs-03-Bnt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:27:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QlRYE-3YeVbs-03-Bnt; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:14:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QlRYE-3YeVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:14:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QlRYD-0002xF-5z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:14:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7494E33C77; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:14:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rWOOmpGnS5CR; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41AE1E352CE; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:14:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B75CE3529F for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:14:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y527qhiIJJYE for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (slinky.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.235]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48B39E33868 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.168.123.1 ([91.85.185.168]) by slinky.genesysnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id p6PKEVbn014025 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:14:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ovation Pro) To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:13:42 +0100 X-Organization: Orpheusmail, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.41 for RISC OS 4.39 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? Message-Id: <2455768.2113423-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 826 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=ajCFBSiu4qQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gqxCJT6EGMOQpbC1RI0A:9 a=xhfmnq-yuXH2zT5o0nAA:7 On Mon 25 Jul 2011 (11:24:28 +0100), flist@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >I thought you'd like to hear the latest instalment of the saga. > >I asked on the ROOL open forum about the problem, and the experts there > >think it is due to a bug in lazy task swopping. No word yet if anyone >has found the bug. > >Chris Johnson has observed what looks like the same problem in >SyncDiscs. > There is a similar problem in !SrcEdit which usually aborts after succesfully saving the edited file. John John -- John Evans Mijas Winchester To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 25 21:42:41 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QlRuN-3LYVbs-05-BRk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:42:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QlRuN-3LYVbs-05-BRk; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:37:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QlRuN-3LYVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:37:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QlRuL-0001hx-HK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:37:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82D5EE353A0; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:37:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e9E+NZTVt-vp; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04823E34FEE; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:37:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5241E352A0 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:37:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aRBhI50RdVOx for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D3D7E34FEE for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QlRu2-0005o4-kJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:37:28 +0000 Message-ID: <77ELI1GgOdLOFwOJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 21:35:44 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <2455768.2113423-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2455768.2113423-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 827 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tewIUDeXIgIA:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=fJ7p51BqAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5uWa6YFw7jBSHA4q9NMA:9 a=U8JK_RMVPkfRfuAnv-EA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=EiAL5nLiLjwA:10 a=CgfzIFRq7TmPo4OD:21 a=4HvL8y9OMTI1uGPB:21 In message <2455768.2113423-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Ovation Pro writes > There is a similar problem in !SrcEdit which usually aborts after succesfully >saving the edited file. Someone said to me: "I believe RISC OS open are aware of issue with SrcEdit - it is currently broken. " Point being is this the same sort of problem? It would be easy to find out, do a ShowRegs post crash, and them disassemble SrcEdit (maybe Zap makes this easier for you). SyncDiscs and DPScan crash in the same (but not identical) area, just after entry from wimp poll. Chris took over SD years back, so his version is compiled with different tools and libraries to my version of DPScan. DPScan has a huge list of libraries and people have rightly questioned if I have recompiled all of them properly. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 26 11:58:25 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QlfEt-2EkGPo-05-FAG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:58:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QlfEt-2EkGPo-05-FAG; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:51:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QlfEt-2EkGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:51:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QlfEr-0002Cg-OY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:51:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFD49E36071; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 06:51:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7X47fPTiSIN4; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 06:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8316E35890; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 06:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 Jul 2011 06:51:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CEA9E358D2 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 06:51:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tXdsOCQwRmrJ for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 06:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09E48E35890 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 06:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QlfEZ-0000Et-oI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:51:31 +0000 Message-ID: <5enbx5AtvpLOFwtN@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:50:21 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan + ARMini -> crash? References: <2455768.2113423-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> <77ELI1GgOdLOFwOJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <77ELI1GgOdLOFwOJ@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 828 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P3wyJnp9Yg4A:10 a=45D6l4_g-5wA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=eJWH5pftui-w3egJR-YA:9 a=FodMhQTpsw3xYvFMs1kA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=jQliTcwr5yWCPcOx:21 a=eXa_KqHP8V9yKJwi:21 Hi, I got an email from Jeffrey Lee last night saying the DPScan crash bug will be fixed in the next release of RISC OS. Thanks to everyone who helped. Good fun. Other fixes include a problem where the TWAIN driver and Ovation Pro fail to render sprites. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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I have forgotten how to get twain installed for my Canon MP610 printer. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, NSW, Australia To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 2 12:36:13 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QoDAu-01Lknw-01-AfX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 12:36:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QoDAu-01Lknw-01-AfX; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:30:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QoDAu-01Lknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:30:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QoDAp-0005mK-4l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:30:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11724E38B47; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 07:30:05 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1312284605; bh=uWIcnXVF89+6GfqIqIzirL0dIVBH8wKWPJvvWDBV dq4=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=M5mG7twOM0i6KQSERTm+CIr993qwDDZm1Wim9sSC7T3BTYp/a5 q1XgK5F+mThr5MpBi6NGBvOoVXwx0xA+T4fzoYs7S/OLM08CuEZjL7YHqbnBNCoDDe1 gqCapX4FQuI6tT/t2Wy/9As4L/RnJ9PSrMXEG9mYKRaAHzKWK8bWPo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AgSoeqoD3Akv; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 07:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 949D5E362EF; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 07:28:50 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1312284544; bh=uWIcnXVF89+6GfqIqIzirL0dIVBH8wKWPJvvWDBV dq4=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=exHHqMjnjGISh6RJh5+6+qhHiWpjgAEJKy0zuHklLhH4a+jpre qCvajNO1H0gIeLQwHBSbSJXc6R/7l+QAJEsRF3R3/WhzDQaVUc2dFrRtRG6FnMYR4Fq oRpB8RPB3ydXb7E4SPHOx5Ko5lYjBaCiLJ+jr5JWwZtytVci7McdcE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Aug 2011 07:28:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F7EDE35DC6 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 07:28:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NZ8d-O8-csNM for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 07:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB17DE362EF for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 07:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QoD6t-00068l-be for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:26:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 12:25:03 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPscan References: <4E373304.3020103@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <4E373304.3020103@internode.on.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 830 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=DT0iFd_cWgEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Npn9PEg5AAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NY06Gb5aZEvd8-oXauwA:9 a=mHynaZJvaHuKYB8TTWgA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=bHOrSQKvbetpbq53:21 a=KqUoQ0icjExixgt6:21 Hi, In message <4E373304.3020103@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett writes >I have a new computer and reinstalled SW including DPscan. >I have forgotten how to get twain installed for my Canon MP610 printer. Unintentionally I replied to this privately. Here is what I wrote: *I* don't remember... Assuming it ever worked, which does not sound likely, I'd assume you installed a suitable TWAIN driver of mine. Which consists of copying it on to disc, then popping up the menu and setting the device id used to talk to the device. Snag here is that "new computers" often don't support parallel ports or SCSI. BTW is this on RISC OS or Windows? I've assumed RISC OS above. If we talked about this by email long ago, I can probably find the emails. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Here is what I wrote: > > > *I* don't remember... Assuming it ever worked, which does not > sound likely, I'd assume you installed a suitable TWAIN driver > of mine. Which consists of copying it on to disc, then popping > up the menu and setting the device id used to talk to the > device. Snag here is that "new computers" often don't support > parallel ports or SCSI. > > BTW is this on RISC OS or Windows? I've assumed RISC OS above. > > If we talked about this by email long ago, I can probably find > the emails. > > > I am not understanding sorry. My computer is a window 7 64 bit. And DPscan select source is greyed out. I have tried to find twain without success. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, NSW, Australia To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 3 12:17:06 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1QoZJp-3mhVbs-02-E6A.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:17:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1QoZJp-3mhVbs-02-E6A; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:08:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1QoZJp-3mhVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:08:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1QoZJo-0001zI-Ip for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:08:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72084E392B0; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 07:08:55 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1312369735; bh=FO86KtmMUejoDPU/5XqTGnvyeaoGyKPqYzmMMusQ czU=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=mjvsppxCSiCBzcHTOzGkZXiXBbCKw1H3U+XR7O5F969+wkSzND FBdbLXv+FtLpdZP75gGdL4hIaxTpDObC6Rc+43CXNU0JoUfaAAxMFAbidvw/SQw4TC6 kgQ++/udfqjlHFiqPou4rQXmg4l3E72d89oNEtu9KGdeYeqUJdLCO0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uE7j4bZTsriB; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 07:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C89E2E36749; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 06:59:09 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1312369162; bh=FO86KtmMUejoDPU/5XqTGnvyeaoGyKPqYzmMMusQ czU=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=utVvSqigECLzeJC5uvWnV7YRtYl8+Y+wMULb9w8tPxsT4OrTsk o1HTZ+b7HBM7UjO8Opdi+yQ9PWGe/IbPMYHqZWSHuaElVjCfSBNLH+K5E4p9+d7tjWE Xg7tvLDvak6ZRFxoJuGbof0f8RA/Iw8G5Z23Lng/rMn2nRHTTqaBAM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 03 Aug 2011 06:59:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62335E38F52 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 06:59:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FuyWYFcNyrBG for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 06:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19DE5E36749 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 06:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1QoYwk-0007aR-ZF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 10:45:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:44:05 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPscan References: <4E373304.3020103@internode.on.net> <4E38E334.30602@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <4E38E334.30602@internode.on.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S (<+IrE89b7I+N1+TS93RN1Ta0s1G>) X-archive-position: 832 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=xf5JqRsgjG4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Npn9PEg5AAAA:8 a=8CyBouEcAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wS4SYRXNmnu3gK18xesA:9 a=dnYl8jzGT6y7nswowkkA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=8HplMRPdJAwgfwJl:21 a=xJJN0C81tHmH_7wp:21 Hi, In message <4E38E334.30602@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett writes >My computer is a window 7 64 bit. Ah. that helps a lot. >And DPscan select source is greyed out. >I have tried to find twain without success. You have to find either a WIA or a TWAIN driver. You can use WIA as an alternative to TWAIN from the file menu. Drivers are available from: http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/support/consumer/printers_multifunction/pix ma_mp_series/pixma_mp610#DriversAndSoftware I don't know if these include TWAIN - you might have already installed these or similar drivers. The catch may be 64 bits. I don't know off hand what the situation is with drivers on 64 bit Windows, I guess the driver has to be 64 bits, but not sure if 32 bit TWAIN apps can then use it. Other programs will show you if TWAIN is available. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling