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Fri, 4 Feb 2011 16:59:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bb-87-82-28-192.ukonline.co.uk (HELO Nails.nails.abbeypress.net) (87.82.28.192) (smtp-auth username jim%pop3.archivemag.co.uk, mechanism cram-md5) by outbound-edge-1.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTPA; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 16:59:35 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] deleting OPro chapter crashes computer To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 16:15:00 GMT Message-ID: <9e4358a051.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Gradwell-MongoId: 4d4c3077.c523-2cb7-1 X-Gradwell-Auth-Method: mailbox X-Gradwell-Auth-Credentials: jim@pop3.archivemag.co.uk X-archive-position: 460 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QOQcZElaevcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ixz3Prp5c-TZlN91JiYA:9 a=w4eb316er7StuytCkgoA:7 a=ToMrgb4c2sywg34LiP3A1c_kn_EA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=k1CPD2YVjOT_L1Iy:21 a=cs4i--TzDfS1fA6b:21 some users report that their computer hangs when they delete the first chapter of the OPro document here: www.archivemag.co.uk/writers.zip (44K) it's the (optional) template for writers to use when preparing an article for the magazine. the first chapter consists of various rubrics, and says to delete the chapter from finished file. that's when they get the crash. in this zipfile, the Impression Publisher version is the original, and the OPro version is generated from it. does the document have some fault that i can't see? -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 4 17:30:56 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlPH1-2bQ000-01-DYK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:16:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:16:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: deleting OPro chapter crashes computer Message-ID: <51a05ddd52chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <9e4358a051.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> References: <9e4358a051.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 461 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_MBd3PtBcI8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=gmbBG9-_AAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ykolaf8TaJ_u4L_myEkA:9 a=lzZ7boFJaYN4BbbioXwA:7 a=aNdH3BA8CGNTNR2xn_wN0Z8H1AYA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 In article <9e4358a051.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel wrote: > it's the (optional) template for writers to use when preparing an > article for the magazine. the first chapter consists of various > rubrics, and says to delete the chapter from finished file. that's > when they get the crash. Seems fine here on Iyonix 5.16 and Ovation Pro 2.77 (5 Jan 2010). How is the chapter being deleted (from the menu page>delete chapter)? -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 4 18:00:57 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlPtD-1uPknw-08-Cw8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:00:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlPtD-1uPknw-08-Cw8; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:56:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlPtD-1uPknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:56:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlPt6-0005cq-Hl for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:56:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2A11D6713D; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 12:56:02 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296842162; bh=yoUc5QsXjzxtQ0GD07oKr/rBvl/hH61DHrN00Ht2 Eoo=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=gKXUkd/1iAYyRPGeqIpO90IjB3bDBmGF4apn4it0n5aQWwyy+7 z02tpov4dzy2r3I3HyFR6CMnDij9TszLDOkD8qUvbYvqIeknMQViuZKAbfw625dyeQo 7Kngrh0G0fGKGEWUQrbZANCMrxparubNZLi1FL6+woNdVH+K0LduuM= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QaQal1Fd0eLC; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 12:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27996D66E01; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 12:55:49 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296842162; bh=yoUc5QsXjzxtQ0GD07oKr/rBvl/hH61DHrN00Ht2 Eoo=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=gKXUkd/1iAYyRPGeqIpO90IjB3bDBmGF4apn4it0n5aQWwyy+7 z02tpov4dzy2r3I3HyFR6CMnDij9TszLDOkD8qUvbYvqIeknMQViuZKAbfw625dyeQo 7Kngrh0G0fGKGEWUQrbZANCMrxparubNZLi1FL6+woNdVH+K0LduuM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 12:55:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 015A7D66E83 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 12:55:49 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UXXKRt0oDtJk for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 12:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82E8ED66E01 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 12:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PlPsp-00018U-gy for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:55:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 17:54:45 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: deleting OPro chapter crashes computer References: <9e4358a051.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> In-Reply-To: <9e4358a051.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 462 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_MBd3PtBcI8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=gmbBG9-_AAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=G-haC4mhQTZMX-9ieeoA:9 a=VtLQb9LOTvySE9iK1EEA:7 a=SzVX5NAM8TANJPrf2vIhzPvXZpYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=gXw39dWHapDywZg5:21 a=sjOZXBXMAwsJ8DGs:21 Hi, In message <9e4358a051.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel writes >some users report that their computer hangs when they delete the first >chapter of the OPro document here: www.archivemag.co.uk/writers.zip >(44K) A couple of thoughts. Firstly are "some users" using the latest version of OP. Second do they type in a load of stuff and then delete the chapter, if so simply loading the document and deleting the chapter, as I have just done, won't reproduce the problem. You might save the documents as DDL and then reload, and then save as document format to be sure you've got 'clean' documents. There is always the possibility of a corrupt Impression document begetting a corrupt OP document. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Fri, 4 Feb 2011 13:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-201-97.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.201.97]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p14I8UPi026146 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:08:31 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: deleting OPro chapter crashes computer To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:05:11 GMT Message-ID: <045a62a051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <9e4358a051.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 463 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_MBd3PtBcI8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=gmbBG9-_AAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=HkHqO-cSY6RFMMiFe3sA:9 a=iES743Od229nfm8tKvgA:7 a=-0gKcAjsheGGczGtmEE9prwjIGgA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=owtSiChuBIpcHubq:21 a=4tvDv9VJYTDRLK_H:21 On 4 Feb 2011 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <9e4358a051.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel > writes >>some users report that their computer hangs when they delete the first >>chapter of the OPro document here: www.archivemag.co.uk/writers.zip >>(44K) > A couple of thoughts. Firstly are "some users" using the latest version > of OP. Second do they type in a load of stuff and then delete the > chapter, if so simply loading the document and deleting the chapter, as > I have just done, won't reproduce the problem. I was one of the people who had this crash, and indeed I typed stuff in and then deleted the chapter. More details I can't remember, I'm afraid. I may have the original template; if I have would it be helpful to repeat it as an experiment? If so, what should I report? With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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It contains text, and a number of pictures. She now needs to put this lot in a new paper size (US standard paper size) which is bit wider and and somewhat shorter that our A4. She has a US paper size blank template. How does she get this 12 chapter, text and graphics OvPro document into the new size template? How would you do it? Thanks Dave In Publisher it's a menu selection and a couple of clicks, and done, Ov Pro... I've given up. 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Fri, 4 Feb 2011 13:36:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([82.152.167.21]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p14IZha1026569 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:35:43 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Chapter To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:36:03 GMT Message-ID: <9a2d65a051.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 465 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4XcQ873-xpbKKq7Vm-kA:9 a=uc6HxRO18z__Eqc0OO4A:7 a=ydreFn2tuiBf9NUniHrcG4t97tsA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=3_eyWHipatQwdpcB:21 a=IpieAMSsXZMmK64K:21 In message <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > She has an old Ov Pro document, it is in a particular paper form, bog > standard A4 and it has 12 chapters. > It contains text, and a number of pictures. > She now needs to put this lot in a new paper size (US standard paper > size) which is bit wider and and somewhat shorter that our A4. > She has a US paper size blank template. > How does she get this 12 chapter, text and graphics OvPro document into > the new size template? I haven't played with changing templates. It doesn't sound easy. > How would you do it? It would depend on how the document is structured. If it is a layout where each page has its own frame, linked possibly, then each frame will probably need to be resized. If it is in a "book" type layout, with the text in linked master frames, then changing the master frams for each chapter will do a lot of the work. Are the pictures overlaying text frames, or embedded in ther text? If they are embedded, then they should reflow, but you may get page breaks in unwanted places. In any case, it will involve quite a lot of fiddling to get it right, after the initial changes just to fit the print area. Don't forget to use "show print margins" when doing this, it may save you making unnecessary changes. The messiest part will probably be related to page breaks. If you haven't worked close to the print margins, you might get away with minimal changes. [ MS Word has similar problems, which is why it is not uncommon to change printers and get blank, or almost blank pages between printed pages. It repaginates automatically. The only reason it isn't seen as a massive problem is because the default page margins fit inside the printable area of both paper sizes. However smart printers will wait for the correct size paper to be loaded, which causes great annoyance. ] > Thanks > Dave > In Publisher it's a menu selection and a couple of clicks, and done, Ov > Pro... I've given up. > D. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 4 18:45:59 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlQXt-1jFknw-02-CHS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:45:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlQXt-1jFknw-02-CHS; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:38:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlQXt-1jFknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:38:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlQXo-0003Gr-6P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:38:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78CEDD67551; 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Fri, 4 Feb 2011 13:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC7C9D670F4 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 13:37:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PlQXW-00059V-oH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:37:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:37:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Chapter Message-ID: <51a0654aeacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk> References: <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 466 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=i5Q9oPsu0D9P4EtRXhoA:9 a=Ai4cqOZVkZ-fg6R-0AMA:7 a=eXg1ttcQOBQJ4b4TN1L3XsoByCYA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=6axhBApvt_H_U7WB:21 a=YIRWD_gS6rEEQEo_:21 In article <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > She has an old Ov Pro document, it is in a particular paper form, bog > standard A4 and it has 12 chapters. > It contains text, and a number of pictures. > She now needs to put this lot in a new paper size (US standard paper > size) which is bit wider and and somewhat shorter that our A4. > She has a US paper size blank template. > How does she get this 12 chapter, text and graphics OvPro document into > the new size template? > How would you do it? > Thanks > Dave > In Publisher it's a menu selection and a couple of clicks, and done, Ov > Pro... I've given up. > D. page size is set with on the Icon Bar > New. Not that I've done it, but how about saving as DDL and dropping that file onto the "new" document? -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 4 18:45:59 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlQZV-0qAVbs-06-CFq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:45:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlQZV-0qAVbs-06-CFq; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:39:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlQZV-0qAVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:39:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlQZO-000723-LY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:39:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1B7AD67542; 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Fri, 4 Feb 2011 13:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55350D66E65 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 13:39:28 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArUGAM/WS01UXeb6/2dsb2JhbACXDo4fc7lNhVoE Received: from outmx05.plus.net ([84.93.230.250]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 04 Feb 2011 18:39:28 +0000 Received: from chrisjohnson.plus.com ([80.229.143.2] helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1PlQZ5-0005m5-Er for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:39:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:38:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Chapter Message-ID: <51a0656e69chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk> References: <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 467 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=i5Q9oPsu0D9P4EtRXhoA:9 a=Q802NU-YtGnpku9S8f4A:7 a=jDDg_0AbZUnGOrtCdxvIs9AFjCoA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=1Ok5HrFrz0IYBxSU:21 a=SJ8TaHJJF4rbLFER:21 In article <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > How does she get this 12 chapter, text and graphics OvPro document into > the new size template? > How would you do it? Go to Menu>Page>Edit master pages and select. Once master pages have opened Go to Menu>Page>Page guidelines and the page size can be altered, either using predefined page sizes, or going to other and entering the sizes. Unfortunately, it has to be done for each chapter which is a bit of a pain with 12 chapters in the document. The default master frame may need altering if the new page size is smaller than the current one. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 4 19:01:00 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlQt0-4TDknw-01-BwL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 19:01:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlQt0-4TDknw-01-BwL; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 19:00:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlQt0-4TDknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 19:00:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlQsx-0004VQ-4K for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 19:00:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A03F8D67205; 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charset=us-ascii X-Gradwell-MongoId: 4d4c4c9c.1ece-76fa-1 X-Gradwell-Auth-Method: mailbox X-Gradwell-Auth-Credentials: jim@pop3.archivemag.co.uk X-archive-position: 468 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_MBd3PtBcI8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=T_mMkWsi2no5kcOeA5UA:9 a=QogdKi-k7xYjOYe-f2cA:7 a=hYD6g7bXQsWnludB3ZhkKiab5wMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=MSMVSlWAG1SOg7mo:21 a=orM3uSomDGqzL1GJ:21 David Pilling wrote on 4 Feb: > A couple of thoughts. Firstly are "some users" using the latest version > of OP. i'll have to ask them explicitly. > Second do they type in a load of stuff and then delete the > chapter, if so simply loading the document and deleting the chapter, as > I have just done, won't reproduce the problem. i presume that they've written their text for Archive as a new chapter and then deleted the chapterful of notes. (which was my intention.) > You might save the documents as DDL and then reload, and then save as > document format to be sure you've got 'clean' documents. There is always > the possibility of a corrupt Impression document begetting a corrupt OP > document. will do that when i revise the template -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 4 20:31:02 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlS8T-3DtVbs-01-Ags.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 20:31:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlS8T-3DtVbs-01-Ags; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 20:20:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlS8T-3DtVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 20:20:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlS8K-0006S8-Uz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 20:20:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A881D6764E; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:19:54 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296850794; bh=PrhowwVkcP+fu/ZspBPk4yPhKqplQXNCFdwtS5gV paM=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=gL/ZK2 /eatXGtwCoeXw+prCNd7ZZY8B/OuqQEtkxF3WiUmCCESx7YVJXek8OUgpxz+Q/Y1MpY OT+FTIhl64TEjvBvdqI6M4cKrKeqmw5wXXb/wHQl8cjc3RURBYeojnTy2nPOonqlbrK kIVjB4I/UssI7a8VpR4gUYNuOaktpxY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nCk7DpP5cErN; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:19:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89458D67627; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:19:40 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296850793; bh=PrhowwVkcP+fu/ZspBPk4yPhKqplQXNCFdwtS5gV paM=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=BwakMz LvMjlQiRv6zHqnWThyFEvKTr5y6l9eHJh/KKoFtXcMXbbCXyKAJJ2iKYAO8p7wl1zDB oMcgDvXRyfRMOyFUzjfz6DY44M0ugvJ4owvfhtQ6tKgHuW1G+4MgFMKWXh94inqc3CN AhN6Qcy5kXCdluIKEURFnqE/OulIW3E= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 15:19:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56FBED6761F for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:19:40 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8EH170FRfEL4 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB466D67614 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:19:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.221.204]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p14KJ8s4028185 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 20:19:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 20:02:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Chapter Message-ID: <51a06d226edave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a0654aeacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk> <51a0654aeacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 469 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=w5WhROzUAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=vfjIu_UyKiXmi4KAGi0A:9 a=KoRZ-Vdh355Yf1xia5gA:7 a=OipMjZuUokx6Kq7qUn8a4DO1DcMA:4 a=o8meq9lx0H8_bpDe:21 a=8XWEHskC7RCcmije:21 In article <51a0654aeacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: [Snippy] > Not that I've done it, but how about saving as DDL and dropping that file > onto the "new" document? Sorry Charles, I haven't laughed so much in days but thanks for the thought anyway. Dave Just in case you were not aware, you can't drop a DDL in a new document, it has to be on the Icon Bar icon, then you just get the old document again. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 4 20:31:02 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlS8i-4HmVbs-08-Agd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 20:31:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlS8i-4HmVbs-08-Agd; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 20:20:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlS8i-4HmVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 20:20:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlS8Y-0005VG-9i for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 20:20:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B8F1D67657; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:19:58 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296850798; bh=ubvoGtdyyfPmcLp48FYEzDCF73frp5qbDPIymya2 Ujk=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=I8k100 eSeXzWO9lDpTEcvbxlc/OJYB0BQFICm90HYvdz5L/9h5UsDlJDk9q9w8xy7qsx56jTe tWdSl0ByU50RIgVoySPPDoQXOqrtJHIDnbxzh+bQBwbRoEOvHc8lNGSVJ2eEgLYpDys O2v42sodVhmxmQLG1O5IP2C+QM/1Nvo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HJJX3XjTrTsv; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CC1CD67617; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:19:41 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296850794; bh=ubvoGtdyyfPmcLp48FYEzDCF73frp5qbDPIymya2 Ujk=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=GpHUjc 3v17f/Ezzq+YYagv3xzrPwqu7JLDLnT8IHDKhLJSDj1kSjCTwSTN54yjvHNDgmOOVUt pwmzNfKOdrT6BpKepAsr+ZBg1YNJ6FCjgWlf7syY6dcpzL032PoPYkBHHXQ4x847CSY BZpYOXGYfL90ZiVSKE0H5aaUJ3Ku8lM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 15:19:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 688FDD6762F for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:19:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5+3qp7bSL9xM for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0A91D67617 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.221.204]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p14KJ8s6028185 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 20:19:11 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 20:17:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Chapter Message-ID: <51a06e7f91dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a0656e69chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk> <51a0656e69chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 470 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RUwk1HrJ9MZw6XguuEsA:9 a=2ss_XqLQdoAB4xnU0g4A:7 a=8CQ_8-rQTXYtXhkHesAaEsdnBYwA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=UN7lbvwcFonojptM:21 a=i63egxp0g0w09v8o:21 In article <51a0656e69chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > How does she get this 12 chapter, text and graphics OvPro document into > > the new size template? > > How would you do it? > Go to Menu>Page>Edit master pages and select. > Once master pages have opened > Go to Menu>Page>Page guidelines > and the page size can be altered, either using predefined page sizes, > or going to other and entering the sizes. > Unfortunately, it has to be done for each chapter which is a bit of a > pain with 12 chapters in the document. The default master frame may > need altering if the new page size is smaller than the current one. Yes thank you... on her behalf. >From Me... You cannot be serious... ;-) I already know about the tedious OvPro methods... A couple of chapters maybe, but 12 or more. No chance. Come back Imp Publisher many of your foibles are forgiven. I remember when I first moved from Publisher to OvPro the troubles I had with the Ov strange stationery method. I guess both methods have strengths and weaknesses, but this problem... crops up quite often here (For her) and shows the big weakness of the Ov method. Someone needs to write an Applet that does the Publisher thing with document templates. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 4 21:16:04 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlSsi-1OAknw-05-9wd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 21:16:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlSsi-1OAknw-05-9wd; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:07:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlSsi-1OAknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:07:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlSsd-00021T-74 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:07:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9580D60A56; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 16:02:43 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Fri, 4 Feb 2011 16:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PlSnT-0003O2-pM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:02:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:02:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Chapter Message-ID: <51a072921bcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a06d226edave@triffid.co.uk> References: <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk> <51a0654aeacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <51a06d226edave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 471 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=w5WhROzUAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GefKddn-6zYmfG9pQ_4A:9 a=mpDYbMZxFLHKFm7mAEQA:7 a=m2aHFzQJIcjv_58GTN8Wj4NO4dIA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=D98TgKr24EP4OEip:21 a=PHJeHKwxA-upUT3y:21 In article <51a06d226edave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <51a0654aeacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, > charles wrote: > [Snippy] > > Not that I've done it, but how about saving as DDL and dropping that > > file onto the "new" document? > Sorry Charles, I haven't laughed so much in days but thanks for the > thought anyway. > Dave > Just in case you were not aware, you can't drop a DDL in a new document, > it has to be on the Icon Bar icon, then you just get the old document > again. even if you've made the new page size the default? nd no, I've never used DDL. -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 4 21:16:04 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlStt-3QgVbs-02-9vS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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list davidpilling); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 16:07:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A345D61228 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 16:07:05 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VOVx3cDnZSjU for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 16:07:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CCD8D60DA9 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 16:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PlSrg-0003z8-iF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:06:48 +0000 Message-ID: <3v5dCIFToGTNFwzO@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 21:05:23 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: deleting OPro chapter crashes computer References: <9e4358a051.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> <045a62a051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <045a62a051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 472 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_MBd3PtBcI8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gBF3vKK8gX8G4B2fHu0A:9 a=RRiNtYeRTo6p1fQ86_QA:7 a=O_mNiE_dqeo5EoQP0HT5fSvuRI0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=8tY2F1pO9hhYKNb1:21 a=2MRYyUwhgev9nhsI:21 Hi, In message <045a62a051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young writes >I was one of the people who had this crash, and indeed I typed stuff >in and then deleted the chapter. More details I can't remember, I'm >afraid. I may have the original template; if I have would it be >helpful to repeat it as an experiment? If so, what should I report? It would be worth you trying to see if you can make it go wrong again, under any circumstances, typing stuff, or not. What would be really useful is an exact series of steps, or a document saved just before the crash, so that deleting the chapter immediately gives a crash. That's the usual plea, how does one reproduce the problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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A couple of chapters >maybe, but 12 or more. No chance. This thread has gone over a known failing of OP, each chapter has its own master page, in Impression chapters can share master pages. The Impression approach pays off if you need to change the page size. I did sit down once or twice and work out how OP could allow shared master pages, I just never got around to adding the feature. In this situation using master pages pays off, if you've not done that, and you've used lots of local frames you're in for some serious editing. Loading the DDL version into a text editor and some deft search and replace would let you do what you desire quickly. I'd imagine the page width/height are unique numbers and probably the main frame dimensions [1]. There is a project for someone, write a program that does global changes on DDL files e.g. x,y scaling of dimensions. It is a pity that going from A4 to US paper sizes, you're not just changing dimensions, but aspect ratio, otherwise you'd just use the ability to change print scale. ----- [1] all dimensions are in 1/72000'ths of an inch, so 72000 is 1 inch. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Fri, 4 Feb 2011 16:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-201-97.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.201.97]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p14La0NV029352 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 21:36:01 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: deleting OPro chapter crashes computer To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:34:51 GMT Message-ID: <258c75a051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <9e4358a051.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> <045a62a051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <3v5dCIFToGTNFwzO@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3v5dCIFToGTNFwzO@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 474 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_MBd3PtBcI8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rg_xbb8T2GT_68datLUA:9 a=iIPhDYdsT9QgCNoXdTAA:7 a=cKwiVilXwSsYdGbnX39foWksQG0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=RaqcC4spBbhp6aF3:21 a=nAe2wDreSHT9loS4:21 On 4 Feb 2011 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <045a62a051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young > writes >>I was one of the people who had this crash, and indeed I typed stuff >>in and then deleted the chapter. More details I can't remember, I'm >>afraid. I may have the original template; if I have would it be >>helpful to repeat it as an experiment? If so, what should I report? > It would be worth you trying to see if you can make it go wrong again, > under any circumstances, typing stuff, or not. Sorry, I've found that I don't have the original template. I had a bout of deleting attachments from received messages. If Jim can let me have another copy I'll happily try things out. If I get results, what address should I send reports and copies of files to? (The address that this comes from is valid.) > What would be really useful is an exact series of steps, or a document > saved just before the crash, so that deleting the chapter immediately > gives a crash. > That's the usual plea, how does one reproduce the problem. I'll have a go, though results not promised! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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Fri, 4 Feb 2011 17:15:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93C10D61D4A for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 17:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PlTvf-0004EX-ci for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 22:14:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 22:13:53 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: deleting OPro chapter crashes computer References: <9e4358a051.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> <045a62a051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <3v5dCIFToGTNFwzO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <258c75a051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <258c75a051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 475 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_MBd3PtBcI8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sAxOnvWnGfFLZshEdWsA:9 a=U_HFJkvvKT6pbvvaQx8A:7 a=XVIOcqN9VyfQjv4ybEqh0XPjq_kA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=4nyxptA8wOQA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=aLW87sva0a5E_upf:21 a=9aHmZ6pWGvbWiBTP:21 Hi, In message <258c75a051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young writes >Sorry, I've found that I don't have the original template. I had a >bout of deleting attachments from received messages. If Jim can let me >have another copy Jim gave this URL for the file in his original message: www.archivemag.co.uk/writers.zip Of course for a number of reasons this is not necessarily the file you used to have. > I'll happily try things out. If I get results, what >address should I send reports and copies of files to? My usual email address, see the sig line below. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Fri, 4 Feb 2011 17:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 265B3D6654A for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 17:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-201-97.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.201.97]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p14MZDB1030268 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 22:35:14 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: deleting OPro chapter crashes computer To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 22:30:27 GMT Message-ID: <8da37aa051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <9e4358a051.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> <045a62a051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <3v5dCIFToGTNFwzO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <258c75a051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 477 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_MBd3PtBcI8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=drAQl6h_8uJywqvZgowA:9 a=PpIvL7qRrwuBAx30s80A:7 a=oSU-rvikD1hn6XUPPBtyrzMS_JAA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=3fnKHIj9Q3OScxpb:21 a=snPM1La3z8b2UxxT:21 On 4 Feb 2011 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <258c75a051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young > writes >>Sorry, I've found that I don't have the original template. I had a >>bout of deleting attachments from received messages. If Jim can let me >>have another copy > Jim gave this URL for the file in his original message: > www.archivemag.co.uk/writers.zip > Of course for a number of reasons this is not necessarily the file you > used to have. Looks the same! >> I'll happily try things out. If I get results, what >>address should I send reports and copies of files to? > My usual email address, see the sig line below. Thanks, but I'll have to get a round tuit. Perhaps next week? With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from outbound-queue-1.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (outbound-queue-1.mail.thdo.gradwell.net [212.11.70.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D4A5D66CA9 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:46:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from outbound-edge-1.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (bonnie.gradwell.net [212.11.70.2]) by outbound-queue-1.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E88FC21DAF; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 23:46:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay.gradwell.com (HELO [10.0.0.2]) (212.11.70.4) (smtp-auth username postmaster%pop3.dentrassis.com, mechanism plain) by outbound-edge-1.mail.thdo.gradwell.net (qpsmtpd/0.83) with ESMTPA; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 23:46:48 +0000 References: <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk> <51a0656e69chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51a06e7f91dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <69084E89-CAA6-47ED-8AF0-73710460296B@dentrassis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148) From: Gav Crawford Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Chapter Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 23:46:44 +0000 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" X-Gradwell-MongoId: 4d4c8fe8.170da-39ee-1 X-Gradwell-Auth-Method: mailbox X-Gradwell-Auth-Credentials: postmaster@pop3.dentrassis.com X-archive-position: 478 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@dentrassis.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=aCbtYwFAnjH-QDd9Tz4A:9 a=K6qiQa8BGoe6xsj4zjEA:7 a=X7FF4p-lF53_Zngknf6IRFa_AsMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=x6VCIBeQmlwdfJiA:21 a=ZYGk00UmFSMyC2i_:21 On 4 Feb 2011, at 09:17 PM, David Pilling wrote:= > Hi, >=20 > In message <51a06e7f91dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes = writes >> I already know about the tedious OvPro methods... A couple of chapters >> maybe, but 12 or more. No chance. >=20 > This thread has gone over a known failing of OP, each chapter has its own m= aster page, in Impression chapters can share master pages. The Impression ap= proach pays off if you need to change the page size. >=20 > I did sit down once or twice and work out how OP could allow shared master= pages, I just never got around to adding the feature. >=20 > In this situation using master pages pays off, if you've not done that, an= d you've used lots of local frames you're in for some serious editing. >=20 > Loading the DDL version into a text editor and some deft search and replac= e would let you do what you desire quickly. I'd imagine the page width/heigh= t are unique numbers and probably the main frame dimensions [1]. >=20 > There is a project for someone, write a program that does global changes o= n DDL files e.g. x,y scaling of dimensions. >=20 > It is a pity that going from A4 to US paper sizes, you're not just changin= g dimensions, but aspect ratio, otherwise you'd just use the ability to chan= ge print scale. >=20 > ----- >=20 > [1] all dimensions are in 1/72000'ths of an inch, so 72000 is 1 inch. >=20 I hope this formats ok, as I'm replying via my phone. We talked sometime ago about some script functions to bounce through each ob= ject in a document and be able to read and write the object's data using the= DDL format. This would open up the ability for an applet go through and ad= just all the frames in, say, the master pages so they match the one that's b= een 'corrected' for a new page size. Although a manual approach could be done now either using the NudgePal apple= t, or by writing something that uses the script functions that are used by N= udgePal to move and adjust frames. Gavin To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 5 12:55:30 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlYxv-1oAknw-01-CNw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 12:55:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlYxv-1oAknw-01-CNw; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 03:37:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlYxv-1oAknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 03:37:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlYxt-0005yZ-Da for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 03:37:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41479D67686; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 22:37:35 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296877055; bh=+KoyRLcINzXKfQ5MksGGkhws5hOqBZaqSVE5KMXg KLg=; h=To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:From:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=btPWKvoXo6Pbcp ub9LpqSnGfp1ASvVkc1Qc+oQ1uC6Uc6irdet5DAfI0L1sPO7DqTxoOX2IPa9Lr9cV8n t5Ty4R2mxtO7UtaGZDqPAvxJ2h6fA40m3xbU2bmAANEcAjO7TdBzZuXdQoiOlxfVdm/ gRaIHg6dhURO32ih1V+L0vk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sS9pVst5T-ed; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 22:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F4F9D675DF; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 22:37:20 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296877053; bh=+KoyRLcINzXKfQ5MksGGkhws5hOqBZaqSVE5KMXg KLg=; h=To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:From:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id: List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=mN4mj773BX6DIU wnf7x0csBO6uVpa2yVb7D70iHZGbCOJpYPrCsJu6LvaAsaFrmyvoA6Qjq9MlhWe+xKu DT4dXlmzWTytV8+h5aMWu5NnJXS9DtUgTyZfWkCxxKJiYFr+Bxfl2X2EgdE/8KgLqUE DBkh435ODyTtqDmTU/Genyw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 04 Feb 2011 22:37:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 469ABD675E7 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 22:37:20 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YSoO+pz72fh0 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 22:37:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com (smtp12.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.74]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A555BD675DF for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 22:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=webmail.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with smtp (Dentaku) (envelope-from ) id 1PlYxZ-0002my-Qx for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 12:37:17 +0900 Received: from 116.64.248.77 (auth. user plattir@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 03:37:17 +0000 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Chapter Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 03:37:17 +0000 X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <51a06e7f91dave@triffid.co.uk> From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-archive-position: 479 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=PP6rEzlZZ3whnurEpcUA:9 a=2Thjprl5Sn67EO9nRgcA:7 a=57xWOBFVOSF81hJ5Mc66mRyceZAA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 On 4/2/2011, "Dave Symes" wrote: [snip] >Someone needs to write an Applet that does the Publisher thing with >document templates. > >Dave > There you are, Dave: Good morning, Mr Symes. Your mission for the w/e Dave, should you accept it, is to write an Applet that does the Publisher thing. This tape will self destruct in five seconds. Good luck, Dave. Ian P. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 5 12:55:36 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlblU-1vLVbs-06-9aN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 12:55:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlblU-1vLVbs-06-9aN; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 06:37:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlblU-1vLVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 06:37:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlblS-0000HI-1y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 06:37:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EA43D675BD; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:56 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296887816; bh=90AvXl3jJStk6h7hHp7RvXSrlnb2ipGC7YS1G/IE Byc=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=wEIbL0 WSdNQClUJ2ShvtR4YYFQEjjeR7oOr2U//xfwb/rPCwWmOnoXCshFF669dXus9ieClG3 7k3wnd+3d+zhaq2VYRfOtHlUhwZaH6XKvT9AxZyq1EXgz93c0iNyzoKUW3U5TKz5qB4 07PayvMpVCl6alv6UECVwkU3rt6XeQU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tDx9SnhguwDY; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89575D67454; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:42 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296887815; bh=90AvXl3jJStk6h7hHp7RvXSrlnb2ipGC7YS1G/IE Byc=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=h02fPW uj3PU4ltbW9uc7CHQhMF0GSlsKHKpGtRxVpb7wSPu8S8AhZSsYhuE8t/LC15Y66eD9x S2nfeKBbpldpncU0Lw5YwOuVXJxY5WkVMADmGlTnDf7+P1iq4+tkSRioeFXDLDorrOS Frh3mWmET5CfNCcYM8kMPhW/AgOY680= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 05 Feb 2011 01:36:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C769D67437 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w59-Zr-GkcLf for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6761ED6744D for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.139.108]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p156aDIS005123 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 06:36:15 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 05:58:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Chapter Message-ID: <51a0a3af1ddave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a07aba6dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk> <51a0656e69chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51a06e7f91dave@triffid.co.uk> <51a07aba6dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 480 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sdyH9QKqZ4JRabTvCNYA:9 a=ufphRroDmSJqZWPIFkEA:7 a=XMOfK-nS2juWEJnQ0ELkguUB8s4A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=S2aUrupUIL7ke5lI:21 a=3lZnQrmyq8FHoKC3:21 In article <51a07aba6dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <51a06e7f91dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > Someone needs to write an Applet that does the Publisher thing with > > document templates. > How much are you offering (commercial rates)? Dunno, how much do you want? 50 Pence, 50 quid? Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 5 12:55:36 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Plbld-2QL000-04-9aE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 12:55:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Plbld-2QL000-04-9aE; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 06:37:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Plbld-2QL000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 06:37:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlblW-0004ak-Lf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 06:37:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7E23D67637; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:57 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296887817; bh=j22FJW1QMeSwCyGtVDnyvjIYRlSyYw4kpJnilhNI Iy8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=CiMYUD Y1p8NSfcEVOdfhNGQDUTLsT0d55M/rf2xx7BjcY/nEO8XTg1xH6L6OyGlkjUpgOSpwW 4MaA6I4eCHhjCP+hVL/LGXjT2QiknHj3acxdiC8vzMYZPnqB3PanrP+0BYOHcPywwnt EpdU7xzw34dury/qSonxmBKb7MJRS4g= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0obyYj51d0JS; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2482D67461; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:42 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296887816; bh=j22FJW1QMeSwCyGtVDnyvjIYRlSyYw4kpJnilhNI Iy8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=lUcI3u EJiBsIdwPbFByjOdqdR37wH6TRCu3Rb29RQYICgH05/rbIlx1IEbKxBxVNjrw97vnpA tv6BIU9UIe9jTUOuNxYR6gt+gmsydh+GtT7BGB7z2tOJxDAEUW22BtTmOpLNutvFCtY 9RrdUEEa6aZpV6+A3E49UNk4kM5mlOo= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 05 Feb 2011 01:36:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 513DCD673D7 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rPVVn0XqkL8e for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F1E0D673C4 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.139.108]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p156aDIU005123 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 06:36:16 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 06:23:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Chapter Message-ID: <51a0a5f52edave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk> <51a0656e69chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51a06e7f91dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 481 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=cj4hhVgC6ns0p9MRQJIA:9 a=q_FJAsvUCEtY2GxAqQgA:7 a=MM26318FwdQnbfeoBNyww5rZzAAA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=lHjMU7AwkQGsOtCM:21 a=jYbGmaMUlGTWGCIX:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <51a06e7f91dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >I already know about the tedious OvPro methods... A couple of chapters > >maybe, but 12 or more. No chance. > This thread has gone over a known failing of OP, each chapter has its > own master page, in Impression chapters can share master pages. The > Impression approach pays off if you need to change the page size. > I did sit down once or twice and work out how OP could allow shared > master pages, I just never got around to adding the feature. Many years ago now, since I made the decision to move all of my business paperwork to OvPro from Publisher, I've not had many occasions to wish for the Publisher Masterpage method, however with Fay's writing it's somewhat different as we see from this situation. > In this situation using master pages pays off, if you've not done that, > and you've used lots of local frames you're in for some serious editing. Luckily the only local frames are the ones containg the graphics. > Loading the DDL version into a text editor and some deft search and > replace would let you do what you desire quickly. I'd imagine the page > width/height are unique numbers and probably the main frame dimensions > [1]. Trouble is, it's okay for you guys, you know what to set in the Search or look for, for the rest of us blind leading the blind... ;-) > There is a project for someone, write a program that does global changes > on DDL files e.g. x,y scaling of dimensions. > It is a pity that going from A4 to US paper sizes, you're not just > changing dimensions, but aspect ratio, otherwise you'd just use the > ability to change print scale. > [1] all dimensions are in 1/72000'ths of an inch, so 72000 is 1 inch. Now where did I put that calculator... :-( Thanks Dave PS: FWIW. In the end she worked out a solution of her own... The original document, like all her older stuff is in Imp Publisher, but it never had a US paper size created within it, so she dug out the original from backup storage, opened it up and created a new Publisher Master page. Therafter did. Edit> Alter Chapter> Selected the required Master page... And Bob's yer Uncle. Attended to the bit of editing/repositioning required, then dropped that on the OvPro Icon bar icon, all done. Darn sight easier than re-editing 12 OvPro chapters, well, that what she says. I wouldn't know, I try to apply the KISS rule when ever I can. D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 5 12:55:36 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Plblm-1vkVbs-06-9a5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 12:55:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Plblm-1vkVbs-06-9a5; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 06:37:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Plblm-1vkVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 06:37:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Plbli-0005zb-Ai for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 06:37:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9EFED67679; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:58 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296887818; bh=iSWju1Z4DwDSGdJFHXgC/IkZZns6q3k1zTciQeOf hj8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=T9gOqRMmBT2w9NMhXrUwEL8rymLJoQ720bZaGVebZ07Ltr2wmC /laCVErXUlmoVtoY4yhtPxgH0wJNknWGJWEJHURTdcGiWyBahjodQU4j7IIocMxx0U3 6OwjTK8O+DPCKZ/yH3i7WUvRkzsP018+bHEL81uV1enjPU77MIzPcg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xIKtas1XVvVC; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47605D67460; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:43 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296887816; bh=iSWju1Z4DwDSGdJFHXgC/IkZZns6q3k1zTciQeOf hj8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=b/FVwxd7AI30Zj+BJE0ABHax42Gtl4qlIOhTbC5G9pXzCpEsUa vgA8WkhsU3+lnmfGD1JyBVBoHGOBgIOAzYSXgACq8S28AAe9opjDikp2+FCE02mhhzZ V20OgT/Jl24ei0igmn8U0zWmXzeEDtdZi1Nux4drnvr9cDQsJsMC5g= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 05 Feb 2011 01:36:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E1DCD67455 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:43 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DfifGKZGFbgO for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 365B4D673D5 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.139.108]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p156aDIW005123 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 06:36:17 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 06:36:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Chapter Message-ID: <51a0a71ff4dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk> <51a0654aeacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <51a06d226edave@triffid.co.uk> <51a072921bcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a072921bcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 482 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=w5WhROzUAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=WNO6F-BVYZKUUTFvmq0A:9 a=JHa2jTllXFvPZ9AveLgA:7 a=KtZICrXhUUEZ3MjhX-57MABC318A:4 a=vdcShMgQwSofSsXu:21 a=ciOwU5RiJtQoaMcM:21 In article <51a072921bcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: [Snippy] > > Just in case you were not aware, you can't drop a DDL in a new > > document, it has to be on the Icon Bar icon, then you just get the old > > document again. > even if you've made the new page size the default? and no, I've never > used DDL. Afeared not, that was one of the first things we tried last time. (Last year). As you will probably have now read in Mr P's posting, the detail of the page is contained within the DDL, so it just comes up as that page again. It was an interesting thought Charles, and had we not been there before, would have given it a go. As you will see from my reply in another posting, in the end, she worked out a satisfactory solution herself. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 5 12:55:37 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Plblv-2d2Vbs-07-9Zw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 12:55:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Plblv-2d2Vbs-07-9Zw; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 06:37:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Plblv-2d2Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 06:37:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Plbls-0004SN-7e for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 06:37:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DB19D676A3; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:37:00 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296887820; bh=k1dN5h8ra2LMUf5p7L0IsqyqBJJf3XWpBgHeDLw8 ABg=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=K75gEA KbQq7g3bUiOW6WHSw37tmaMtO4rYEXoYIC2MsFsGNpln7+Y6ZLGlMtJttiulVi/I/eU WDMjtfktgzLjHh/QajtKD5MOddzxEnRs71UMUCbR0QZknAAmB1U1wo5yGu/tTyw6sRa RBcAn3aOMzYbqb6LIgeq/+8xlKvZSSk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ttm4SD6DSgsN; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71D1BD67471; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:44 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296887817; bh=k1dN5h8ra2LMUf5p7L0IsqyqBJJf3XWpBgHeDLw8 ABg=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=jj+ogB VsdizmQJfUXel+bAKJHiU0YSpNwtn/6NkTtlocvMCPab3za0FFzYCV9ePYzxZB7RJpE NUZZc1Y9wqheTzKHdzDonNMgF6SEOW4IIukK8+6USw1MjDLLKb6dKC2m/SWv5cPkJz9 0rEe7Ootr7duYtS65HsrwYDtCq0nzpQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 05 Feb 2011 01:36:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E06FD67458 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:44 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y5iTj0Ozq-Xt for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62F4ED6744D for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 01:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.139.108]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p156aDIQ005123 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 06:36:13 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 05:55:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Chapter Message-ID: <51a0a36d57dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51a06e7f91dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 483 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=XwwnfwBjAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hLPJiialDljE3gKC_1UA:9 a=OzCVER2ldRSutDCjypUA:7 a=0PDFzph5HryYAvPm5-IrVMeR0lEA:4 a=pyUrM9oW_S0A:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 In article , Ian Platt wrote: > On 4/2/2011, "Dave Symes" wrote: > [snip] > >Someone needs to write an Applet that does the Publisher thing with > >document templates. > > > >Dave > > > There you are, Dave: > Good morning, Mr Symes. Your mission for the w/e Dave, should you accept > it, is to write an Applet that does the Publisher thing. > This tape will self destruct in five seconds. Good luck, Dave. > Ian P. Very good... :-) Sorry Ian, my expertise/skills are in another field entirely, if I had time, I'd offer to modify all the 12 chapters for her... 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By George, she's got it! She's really got it!" A really nice solution - respect! (As I believe they say on the street.) Ian P. On 5/2/2011, "Dave Symes" wrote: >In article , > Ian Platt wrote: > > >> On 4/2/2011, "Dave Symes" wrote: > >> [snip] > >> >Someone needs to write an Applet that does the Publisher thing with >> >document templates. >> > >> >Dave >> > > >> There you are, Dave: >> Good morning, Mr Symes. Your mission for the w/e Dave, should you accept >> it, is to write an Applet that does the Publisher thing. >> This tape will self destruct in five seconds. Good luck, Dave. > > >> Ian P. > >Very good... :-) > >Sorry Ian, my expertise/skills are in another field entirely, if I had >time, I'd offer to modify all the 12 chapters for her... > >Dave > >-- > >Dave Triffid >To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 5 12:55:41 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PleKE-0jkGPo-08-FY9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 12:55:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PleKE-0jkGPo-08-FY9; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 09:21:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PleKE-0jkGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 09:21:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PleK7-0003ut-U5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Sat, 5 Feb 2011 04:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F4005D67489 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 04:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-201-97.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.201.97]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p159KBMF007442 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 09:20:12 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: deleting OPro chapter crashes computer To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 09:20:19 GMT Message-ID: <9422b6a051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <9e4358a051.jim@nails.abbeypress.net> <045a62a051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <3v5dCIFToGTNFwzO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <258c75a051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <8da37aa051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8da37aa051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 485 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_MBd3PtBcI8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8gVnx6BWXyq74j985CkA:9 a=hJHLMi01RrWPZVuxouEA:7 a=leQi64uQKNaIRD9LETPym44sOoQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=MTab8Q8SSNOQc-3e:21 a=4EadToGLdeRsLZbU:21 On 4 Feb 2011 Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 4 Feb 2011 David Pilling wrote: >> Hi, >> In message <258c75a051.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young >> writes >>>Sorry, I've found that I don't have the original template. I had a >>>bout of deleting attachments from received messages. If Jim can let me >>>have another copy >> Jim gave this URL for the file in his original message: >> www.archivemag.co.uk/writers.zip >> Of course for a number of reasons this is not necessarily the file you >> used to have. > Looks the same! >>> I'll happily try things out. If I get results, what >>>address should I send reports and copies of files to? >> My usual email address, see the sig line below. > Thanks, but I'll have to get a round tuit. Perhaps next week? I got a bit more time than I thought, and could reliably reproduce this crash yesterday, but not today. I think I may have stumbled on a possible reason why not everyone gets it happening. RISC OS 5.16 and OPro 2.77 (05-Jan-2010) in case that's relevant. Yesterday, I tried to edit Jim's file by inserting text, and got the crash. Later, after a re-start of the computer, I did: 1) Ran OPro at start-up, as I always do. 2) Loaded Jim's file, put the cursor two lines under the line that starts "Text" 3) Inserted a text file at this point; FWIW this was a Lorem Ipsum file generated by EasiWriter. This worked OK, so I scratched my head a bit. 4) Wondered whether doing something else in OPro might be relevant, so I did some trivial editing in an existing OPro file (put a space at the start, deleted the space and saved the file. 5) Did 2 and 3 above again, and got the immediate crash, reported by WimpLog as "04 Feb 22:52:29 000 00000000: Error from Ovation Pro: OvationPro has suffered an internal error type=5" Then this morning, tried again, did 2 and 3, got no crash, did 4, 2 and 3, and again no crash. Thinking back the only thing I did differently yesterday was, before trying Jim's file a second time was to create and print an entirely new OPro file. Could this be relevant? In any case, I don't think I have relevant files to send to David. All very odd! Let me know please if there's any more experimenting that I can do. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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Sat, 5 Feb 2011 09:22:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC6A6D677A1 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 09:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Plj1v-0002kO-fW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 14:22:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 14:21:15 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Chapter References: <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk> <51a0656e69chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51a06e7f91dave@triffid.co.uk> <69084E89-CAA6-47ED-8AF0-73710460296B@dentrassis.com> In-Reply-To: <69084E89-CAA6-47ED-8AF0-73710460296B@dentrassis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 486 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=HZccNrEIAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=SdcVy6aHmpLxGOONPDUA:9 a=cECzjGV0-WoKtBWiIHkA:7 a=SHjDKlH4YOCIRr_efnSaDxy1gHUA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cdubJsRaR3EA:10 a=M9FpTH37TAymAawd:21 a=wH7b_BclHW-U5eAt:21 Hi, In message <69084E89-CAA6-47ED-8AF0-73710460296B@dentrassis.com>, Gav Crawford writes >We talked sometime ago about some script functions to bounce through >each object in a document and be able to read and write the object's >data using the DDL format. This would open up the ability for an >applet go through and adjust all the frames in, say, the master pages >so they match the one that's been 'corrected' for a new page size. Yes adding those functions would be a good idea, using them in this situation might be pushing things a bit - I'm worrying about the undo/redo consequences on master pages. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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This seems unlikely to work at first sight, but if your document contained just text, no graphics, then saving the text with style information (DDF in Impression, DDL stories in OP), and then loading those files into a new document of the correct size would be a solution. So there is some sense in it. The catch is that you'd have to do this for all 12 chapters, so you're no better off, and of course there will be graphics and local frames... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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([82.152.249.50]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p15G1VOn014861 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:01:32 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 16:02:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] A6 booklet production Message-ID: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 488 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Hi0p0L2gY7IA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=YgUMA5Q8t9e2Xro-rwEA:9 a=RzlLnE9tvp19vjAzeZoA:7 a=MbAzmvKnBrlMFyzsEvI2YRPqkBMA:4 a=FaBk4wuSLSyZ5tko:21 a=6J9VXxqIzD2mjpDz:21 A6 booklets via OvPro I need to produce an A6 size booklet for our Probus Club (i.e. each page as 1/4 of an A4 sheet). The front and back covers vary slightly annually; the 2 pages listing meetings/events change entirely each year; the 3 constitution pages remain static; and 7 pages contain a directory of members which varies slightly as members are lost and added. The whole product runs to 16 A6 sides. I've codged a complicated version in OvPro, but wonder whether there's an elegant or even simple way to produce it? My work-around involved in effect printing on A4 portrait paper, the upper half making up one booklet and the lower half a second identical copy: these can eventually be guillotined to make up 2 copies. Tackling first the top half of the A4 sheet, I divided it laterally into 2, and used frames 138mm H x 90mm W for the text. Most of the content is in 10pt, using a condensed font (EFF's deGaulle Condensed) for clarity and to accommodate some extensive addresses. Sorting the order of pages was a nightmare - I cut up A4 sheets and made a blank mock-up with each page numbered, then took it apart to see which page came next to another in printing. Next I copied-and-pasted chunks of the master text (front page / officers / lists of events / directory / constitution / back page) and put a little page number in a separate frame in each appropriate corner. Phew! And having done that for the top half of every A4 page, I then replicated each to the lower half, to give 2 copies for every print-run. Printing was a matter of hope - that I'd got each page in the right order and the right way up. But it did work - just. Somehow a member has been producing copies using Word . . Ugh! Is there a simpler method anyone can suggest? Has anyone written an applet? Michael Harding Rev. Preb. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcvFThFiny5EurERRUCdaIOif35V+QAA4LAQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7600.16543 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=-9Lk4fpFMK0A:10 a=6hir55fm61YA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=_dg7e1oZ5m3FYHEhqdwA:9 a=HSkDmNy502tbIkFkiM0A:7 a=CQ46jULayLf2RMsqWdo1_W99BUwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=JTNdXj0VDPeEIoYo:21 a=_pt-1KcamKEFNSd4:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 489 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jeff.wallis@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_YPuHfFtGc0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=6hir55fm61YA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=_dg7e1oZ5m3FYHEhqdwA:9 a=c49sETBafTRg1qVq3WYA:7 a=pCIBRuTjZRfIX0YFHJ3CmEFGVOEA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=J1j2bSbAcNWkY_6E:21 a=L1bmX98-PzRROwSL:21 -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of M Harding Sent: 05 February 2011 16:03 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] A6 booklet production A6 booklets via OvPro I need to produce an A6 size booklet for our Probus Club (i.e. each page as 1/4 of an A4 sheet). The front and back covers vary slightly annually; the 2 pages listing meetings/events change entirely each year; the 3 constitution pages remain static; and 7 pages contain a directory of members which varies slightly as members are lost and added. The whole product runs to 16 A6 sides. I've codged a complicated version in OvPro, but wonder whether there's an elegant or even simple way to produce it? My work-around involved in effect printing on A4 portrait paper, the upper half making up one booklet and the lower half a second identical copy: these can eventually be guillotined to make up 2 copies. Tackling first the top half of the A4 sheet, I divided it laterally into 2, and used frames 138mm H x 90mm W for the text. Most of the content is in 10pt, using a condensed font (EFF's deGaulle Condensed) for clarity and to accommodate some extensive addresses. Sorting the order of pages was a nightmare - I cut up A4 sheets and made a blank mock-up with each page numbered, then took it apart to see which page came next to another in printing. Next I copied-and-pasted chunks of the master text (front page / officers / lists of events / directory / constitution / back page) and put a little page number in a separate frame in each appropriate corner. Phew! And having done that for the top half of every A4 page, I then replicated each to the lower half, to give 2 copies for every print-run. Printing was a matter of hope - that I'd got each page in the right order and the right way up. But it did work - just. Somehow a member has been producing copies using Word . . Ugh! Is there a simpler method anyone can suggest? Has anyone written an applet? Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling My suggestion would be: Set up your page size to A6 and enter your copy. When you print - in the print dialogue set the printing to 'printers pairs'. Load A5 paper ( landscape or if short edge first then set 'print sideways in printer dialogue) in your printer Print document odd pages Turn paper over and print document even pages. 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([82.152.249.50]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p15GmOcs015586 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:48:25 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 16:49:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A6 booklet production Message-ID: <51a0df3fffriscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <072D8FD684B34A4E94E0F650CC14BB49@JeffPC> References: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <072D8FD684B34A4E94E0F650CC14BB49@JeffPC> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 490 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_YPuHfFtGc0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=EogInSsbpNi7TCrhSQUA:9 a=a-KYWdfS5VzkGirhHagA:7 a=mkdS9fxnNsBC3pK1V5xgM3K8cmoA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=TE4BRh9am_dupSAQ:21 a=1pM2_Gu7aBVucTqL:21 In article <072D8FD684B34A4E94E0F650CC14BB49@JeffPC>, jeff.wallis wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: > [mailto:davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of M Harding > Sent: 05 February 2011 16:03 > To: davidpilling@freelists.org > Subject: [softwarelist] A6 booklet production > I need to produce an A6 size booklet for our Probus Club (i.e. each > page as 1/4 of an A4 sheet). > My suggestion would be: > Set up your page size to A6 and enter your copy. When you print - > in the print dialogue set the printing to 'printers pairs'. > Load A5 paper ( landscape or if short edge first then set 'print > sideways in printer dialogue) in your printer Neat! Reverse the production order - guillotine comes first instead of last, then treat virtually as if it were A5? Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 5 16:55:30 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PllPF-4K3Vbs-03-Gze.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:55:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PllPF-4K3Vbs-03-Gze; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 16:54:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PllPF-4K3Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 16:54:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PllPA-00044c-PR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 16:54:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37D6AD673BB; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 11:54:35 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296924875; bh=Yey1WbnmMUOvDWsW8wUs84HVrOkqJFz5XmWEDLvU PYQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=egkStUs4F8VcJTil3GfuBBgnUeU1A5a1+K9g3McXFqQ+DJHMxC 9/+wy4YwYPrwwPTA+ZYKALmzR9ALP0r0sHGJ35SwxwWIyfAoo9G85L0P56hBjLJwDPZ kIj36tEiAtZXPhcKF8BPCxNut1j5NRdYp8pozfrnwF9kSyO19pBkEE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wo7RwgRZvZKF; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 11:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DB2DD6731F; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 11:54:21 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296924874; bh=Yey1WbnmMUOvDWsW8wUs84HVrOkqJFz5XmWEDLvU PYQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=ZTpJvWKAK5MasDHSSWy6NNf9bXL8St0syOkwzKPxooJ8eoTd7U Bg2Tj/hED5mdl3acVEh3pRnCKrVI3kAdr5VsT1tgKuBxbQvcFTb4i2HWGjaEaZvQGSE LRrbWucYbmpYCx2zCJUPeiPBlwn4twncwr8QyZPffpC8+vdwGjNIpk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 05 Feb 2011 11:54:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E78EED6736A for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 11:54:20 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NhRs9dPbijh4 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 11:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68367D6731F for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 11:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PllOt-0007kH-n2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 16:54:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:52:40 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A6 booklet production References: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 491 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_YPuHfFtGc0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=XsNuhhLyWbpCQuRwuA4A:9 a=ixqGSVyAlyzjO4J7wlUA:7 a=VrohuiB7DyD1Ytftb0z7iLAr8fIA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=aOBuFE9pLHMb1t07:21 a=4_qrhTjN1s2tOeR9:21 Hi, In message <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding writes >A6 booklets via OvPro The obvious way is to produce your document as a series of A4 (or A5, or A6) pages, and then use the 'booklet' print format which will put you 4 pages on each side of A4 paper, leaving you with a cutting and folding job. There is a document inside the Imposition applet which explains all this, and maybe some material in the OP manual, and it has been discussed here in the past. I think however you do it, some mental effort is required to sort out the pages. The print format can do clever things if your booklet is not a multiple of 8 pages long, it will double up the odd 4 pages to save paper. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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When you print - in > the print dialogue set the printing to 'printers pairs'. > Load A5 paper ( landscape or if short edge first then set 'print > sideways in printer dialogue) in your printer Neat! Reverse the production order - guillotine comes first instead of last, then treat virtually as if it were A5? Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk Yes and if you want to print it out for proof reading you can set the print dialogue to thumbnails (2 per A5 page) then it will print in 'readers pairs' i.e. in page order. This is useful if you are 'printing' it as a pdf file to send to someone else for proof reading. 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Sat, 5 Feb 2011 12:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44558D673A7 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 12:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PllfD-00054v-oZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 17:11:11 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:10:10 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A6 booklet production References: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <072D8FD684B34A4E94E0F650CC14BB49@JeffPC> <51a0df3fffriscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 493 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_YPuHfFtGc0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=byKw2aGngRHYndk8xT8A:9 a=ROfYYOJCfYlx5_rdA3sA:7 a=5mAtw4I8KKMxK-y7fVx4o54hzZQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=GRY3uZCuVFTu1mPS:21 a=KeiXZ57l-8QlYmoD:21 Hi, In message , jeff.wallis writes >> Load A5 paper ( landscape or if short edge first then set 'print >> sideways in printer dialogue) in your printer To put this in brief, if you set of with A5 paper, an A6 booklet is the same task as printing an A5 pamphlet on A4 paper, so you can use the pamphlet/printers pairs print formats. This technique is simple to understand. I suppose some printers may not like A5 paper. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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([82.152.249.50]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p15HDvFC015960 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:13:58 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 17:14:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A6 booklet production Message-ID: <51a0e18a95riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 494 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_YPuHfFtGc0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GDnFh6KRI7g-Ybnr_OsA:9 a=CfjaSkCZaQ16uYhE7BAA:7 a=6UKT1JdvwBUahT86WyHCja6InkMA:4 a=dsxeiH_iKZ4aE6A_:21 a=rDiLP3zuuy070lyD:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding > writes > >A6 booklets via OvPro > The obvious way is to produce your document as a series of A4 (or > A5, or A6) pages, and then use the 'booklet' print format which > will put you 4 pages on each side of A4 paper, leaving you with a > cutting and folding job. > There is a document inside the Imposition applet which explains all > this, and maybe some material in the OP manual, and it has been > discussed here in the past. My apologies if I'm treading a well-worn path. However, I have the !Imposit applet v.1.02 installed, and although the documentation mentions ticking 'Use half-sections', I can't see that anywhere in the Printer dialogue. But then, I can never find things in the supermarket either. 8-) Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 5 18:25:33 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Plmhc-0oqGPo-01-FhH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:25:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Plmhc-0oqGPo-01-FhH; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:17:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Plmhc-0oqGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:17:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlmhX-00058N-7w for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:17:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DCF6D6789A; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:17:36 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296929856; bh=Y7+are3qQsmWG3GGpznz3FBgV+WeXwDEHbse9aZe mn4=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=VOTHnNLjsab6FplutTI6+Aj8e8H5szK+sjv9CHMVu3GH7G0L9g 015qVnlbB77d0ZT9OJB66omVLSVTdpUUAFRcwq7d7HLjhErj3gZjD325W9AzIG9wQsk D6ytknGBhuP0JcclJ5fkAnuMGqixeYXB9qsXWyIVgBPBUehgfKOtpg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K0VVa97-tbKV; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C64FDD6758F; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:17:22 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296929855; bh=Y7+are3qQsmWG3GGpznz3FBgV+WeXwDEHbse9aZe mn4=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=ip9MIN09y9jenXYYjl+axYAfXBMg6FLsv22UOhXRXMNLYgJ585 nEvCIBsUHln7kps0jJ3Pmkv+B0x5hIHvmF/zOTksOjxpOm8LAED5RI42l4m62/BipK+ jMD0ah03zaY/AsRZobDO2GVs61K3RESZT9LkW3UyIcyYJv5V+muSvQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 05 Feb 2011 13:17:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BFC2D6780D for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:17:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pI3GBBtr0w0F for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 095DED6758F for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PlmhE-0000Ml-iG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:17:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:15:52 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A6 booklet production References: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51a0e18a95riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a0e18a95riscos@mdharding.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 495 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_YPuHfFtGc0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LwAxYu6_ozZqjVpuJFQA:9 a=YOWd8RMtW3nrKuL7RfcA:7 a=uGsDh0BBP0_v97TkKZGJzDUMINIA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CidQuOwetKZNqy4y:21 a=svymTPkknXoz9Jxm:21 Hi, In message <51a0e18a95riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding writes >However, I have the !Imposit applet v.1.02 installed, and although the >documentation mentions ticking 'Use half-sections', I can't see that >anywhere in the Printer dialogue. But then, I can never find things in >the supermarket either. 8-) I guess it is a sub menu, off the 'booklet' menu entry in the print format menu. That's how it works, some print formats have options, and those options are sub menus of the print format menu. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20110205181858.QLMG19887.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:18:58 +0000 Received: from Risco ([81.111.51.212]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20110205181857.MHLJ28282.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Risco> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:18:57 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A6 booklet production To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Anthony Hilton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:01:36 GMT Message-ID: <2ddce5a051.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> References: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=-9Lk4fpFMK0A:10 a=J4F10q-2pdYA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=XtoAlLWpjkwqX8KZb20A:9 a=j7BlFTyuhS8CJmaFmKAA:7 a=c6wtjsK4ETlAYz4N6v5B3IJeKLQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=UkRKBew1L6TFRzqr:21 a=37_F5vlI0HYNhbUu:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 496 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_YPuHfFtGc0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=J4F10q-2pdYA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=XtoAlLWpjkwqX8KZb20A:9 a=JNy3Crpqq18wqbdDZkIA:7 a=tzap_aglMhH5kjo6dYqRO3D5_tQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Iui3VIenOQJqmohV:21 a=Ckxhjc40DR25UsDs:21 In message <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> M Harding wrote: > A6 booklets via OvPro > I need to produce an A6 size booklet for our Probus Club (i.e. each > page as 1/4 of an A4 sheet). The front and back covers vary slightly > annually; the 2 pages listing meetings/events change entirely each > year; the 3 constitution pages remain static; and 7 pages contain a > directory of members which varies slightly as members are lost and > added. The whole product runs to 16 A6 sides. > I've codged a complicated version in OvPro, but wonder whether > there's an elegant or even simple way to produce it? I hope so. Do you still have your dummy showing you which page goes where on each sheet for reference? If not it might be worth making another - 2 sheets of A4 together, fold to A5 and then to A6. Put numbers on the available corners of each A6 page to indicate both page number and which way up it is. First, ensure you have the !Imposit applet installed and active - this will give you a Booklet option on the Format menu in the Print dialogue box. The Booklet format works out which pages go where on each sheet and which way up they need to be - magic courtesy of Nick Kaijaks. Second set your document page to A6 (148 x 105 mm) with the margins you want and set your styles for font, type size etc (or grab a copy of the OPro stylesheet http://www.tinshill.f9.co.uk/ant/A6Booklet.dps and modify it as you want). Put all the contents in on the correct pages - page 1 is front cover and when you get there page 16 is back cover. (This is so much easier than remembering/checking which page goes where on which sheet!) Simplest is to use a single chapter, for longer term maintenance it may be easier to use 4 chapters: Cover = chapter 1, Events listing = chapter 2, Constitution = chapter 3, Members list = chapter 4 To save paper, use !PrintPDF or !Sprinter to print to file using the Booklet format and check that the pages on the sheets match unfolded sheets from the dummy you made. If your printer does duplex, printing the real copies is very easy, otherwise you need to print the Front of the sheets, turn them over and print the Back of the sheets. When you have the first pair of printed sheets fold them together as you did when you made your dummy and guillotine the fold along the short edge to allow the booklet to open. Hope this doesn't sound worse than it is. You may need to work through it before it all makes sense. Anthony -- Anthony Hilton ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 5 18:25:34 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlmjN-3QCknw-04-FfW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:25:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlmjN-3QCknw-04-FfW; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:19:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlmjN-3QCknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:19:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlmjF-0006Bz-G6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:19:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56D13D678B8; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:19:18 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20110205181901.DGYD26766.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:19:01 +0000 Received: from Risco ([81.111.51.212]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20110205181901.MHLS28282.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Risco> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:19:01 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A6 booklet production To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Anthony Hilton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:08:50 GMT Message-ID: References: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51a0e18a95riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a0e18a95riscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=b0FIqD2yHssA:10 a=J4F10q-2pdYA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=1W3ygdSgFy2UHd-Vb4wA:9 a=k8K8NuLr3-XvBj6Q7H8A:7 a=7GRT8Kvcd-92TjlTQ7T0tnlDPTwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hDp7vi39MKBEGVrS:21 a=LhbDmKt9AqxAF1Hd:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 497 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_YPuHfFtGc0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=J4F10q-2pdYA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=1W3ygdSgFy2UHd-Vb4wA:9 a=VXhhwWa_kCpjHf3BS-wA:7 a=MfpOoYe6t_5bQf2DriXqtnRWpHQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9odZVkBlnosBAZ3j:21 a=Y7UdjU2RDXAJkfjs:21 In message <51a0e18a95riscos@mdharding.org.uk> M Harding wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >> Hi, >> In message <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding >> writes >>>A6 booklets via OvPro >> The obvious way is to produce your document as a series of A4 (or >> A5, or A6) pages, and then use the 'booklet' print format which >> will put you 4 pages on each side of A4 paper, leaving you with a >> cutting and folding job. >> There is a document inside the Imposition applet which explains all >> this, and maybe some material in the OP manual, and it has been >> discussed here in the past. > My apologies if I'm treading a well-worn path. > However, I have the !Imposit applet v.1.02 installed, and although the > documentation mentions ticking 'Use half-sections', I can't see that > anywhere in the Printer dialogue. But then, I can never find things in > the supermarket either. 8-) At least OPro options do not move around every month or so! The Print Format > Booklet has a sub-menu entry for Use half-sections. You will not need it for 16 A6 pages on 2 A4 sheets Anthony -- Anthony Hilton ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 5 18:25:34 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlmkP-0tYGPo-01-FeU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:25:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlmkP-0tYGPo-01-FeU; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:20:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlmkP-0tYGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:20:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlmkM-0005L2-HW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:20:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31857D678BF; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:20:33 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296930033; bh=AZ1yx10qEAMGczHDU21HfmniNFj470gzbuyZHuzu aOU=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=H6F1t2oToMU5mviPRjr1GBHv9HR3ooJicP32VSOxKT1Xid+Yza AoF7/X4Qm9u20agTkdhw3BxwkI/IRYuvVYt2ssqe9irSkPuWBGh8iayqja4vh/hxhhC /qV/j+/5VJGjVXldrJDHGTsmLviJlrCqQSnF8dZQTHHmtVK2pYRNIU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2qnUzD6L03fc; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:20:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4243FD67848; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:20:19 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296930032; bh=AZ1yx10qEAMGczHDU21HfmniNFj470gzbuyZHuzu aOU=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=KAnjBE3GWyy4grn3EbX6VyyoIUTVRL/QOb1Qbc3tmYxdzEaH75 LCL7N5cwUvb4tlk+4/LTyOIlO5/dkm/8UaUONPK7EV2UwYfsEss9AIjHDWaTKf4QpDZ NJve4BSJBw2GJPXMZI3IVLxTgxsRGXREJxhKAiIAXMLAsGgAmE/Eeo= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 05 Feb 2011 13:20:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15C3FD6784F for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:20:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eVBqR2mXLVOL for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:20:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A22DD67848 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.177.62]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p15IJo6V016939 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:19:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:12:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Chapter Message-ID: <51a0e6e0e4dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <51a063af2adave@triffid.co.uk> <51a0654aeacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 498 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=w5WhROzUAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RVgNufnIMndt6fpHwfQA:9 a=mEeD4sYpryMBtVRFDYcA:7 a=2SGe9B6Lov_kntmi6ERYIUeBql8A:4 a=O7wyttgpjy8ujqXS:21 a=3_scx0dMgfCKzBgZ:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <51a0654aeacharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles > writes > >Not that I've done it, but how about saving as DDL and dropping that > >file onto the "new" document? > This seems unlikely to work at first sight, but if your document > contained just text, no graphics, then saving the text with style > information (DDF in Impression, DDL stories in OP), and then loading > those files into a new document of the correct size would be a solution. > So there is some sense in it. The catch is that you'd have to do this > for all 12 chapters, so you're no better off, and of course there will > be graphics and local frames... Erm! Sorry to be so presumptuous Mr P. ;-) We use a much simpler method. Select the text in one document/chapter, press the ALT (Or Shift depending on Move or Copy) pause for a beat until the Blue rectangle presents then drag to the news size doc. As you note of course graphics need doing (Same method) as a separate item, but that can be made a lot easier if a guide frame is set with the graphic to be moved. 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([82.152.249.50]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p15JXgcG018046 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 19:33:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 19:34:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A6 booklet production Message-ID: <51a0ee59f6riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51a0e18a95riscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 499 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_YPuHfFtGc0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5pgu2mUr12MMjUB9eKMA:9 a=4oDbH1a-rkVNKosP_isA:7 a=MRGTyH6jiQzUt7aYq0BVU1wU1XMA:4 a=p7on_pjjera86Q6d:21 a=9FsqY-ZFVG19FDdL:21 In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In message <51a0e18a95riscos@mdharding.org.uk> > M Harding wrote: > > However, I have the !Imposit applet v.1.02 installed, and > > although the documentation mentions ticking 'Use half-sections', > > I can't see that anywhere in the Printer dialogue. > The Print Format > Booklet has a sub-menu entry for Use > half-sections. You will not need it for 16 A6 pages on 2 A4 sheets No I shan't need it in this case. But I'm puzzled that I can't find the sub-menu. I've got OvPro v2.75 and !Imposit v.1.02 - might it be a version thing? Michael Harding Rev. Preb. 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([82.152.249.50]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p15JXgcE018046 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 19:33:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 19:28:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A6 booklet production Message-ID: <51a0edd3a8riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <2ddce5a051.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> References: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <2ddce5a051.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 499 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_YPuHfFtGc0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RrR27rbYVoa2G1Zy6-oA:9 a=8Vtf901iy8eyB5DHXjwA:7 a=N2HkzV3QRHbESYOKWI7GbE2wnCAA:4 a=PmSjbWp6aLUNWa54:21 a=AslpJvO0luE9jCif:21 In article <2ddce5a051.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk>, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In message <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> > M Harding wrote: > > A6 booklets via OvPro > > I've codged a complicated version in OvPro, but wonder whether > > there's an elegant or even simple way to produce it? > I hope so. Thanks for the comprehensive tutorial - I'll do some experimentation asap. > Second set your document page to A6 (148 x 105 mm) with the margins > you want and set your styles for font, type size etc (or grab a > copy of the OPro stylesheet > http://www.tinshill.f9.co.uk/ant/A6Booklet.dps and modify it as > you want). That link doesn't seem to work. 8-( [ . . . ] Michael Harding Rev. Preb. 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([82.152.249.50]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p15Knbo2019187 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 20:49:38 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 20:50:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A6 booklet production Message-ID: <51a0f5598briscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a0f347a4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51a0e18a95riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51a0ee59f6riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51a0f347a4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 501 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_YPuHfFtGc0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nG9BxOpORldea11-CjEA:9 a=Rc3fDVem-FupfqkA4wYA:7 a=PYz0vfOHleqlIi0sFETQZol4-m8A:4 a=BX21ycRGkTWj8PaO:21 a=IbP2xBsHs5TW_mFb:21 In article <51a0f347a4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <51a0ee59f6riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, > M Harding wrote: > > I've got OvPro v2.75 > Why not upgrade to 2.77 while you are at it? Will do. Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 5 21:10:38 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlpKz-38j000-08-D3u.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:10:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlpKz-38j000-08-D3u; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:06:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlpKz-38j000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:06:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlpKv-0001G8-Nx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:06:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 599F4D67328; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:06:28 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296939988; bh=3VRTRC0aZpBEjHMnklywTwLSVo1IwbzirsKyuhAH aTI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=JU+8tvW7DnJg4O/TP8q5uVmrIbkMl rQRqRYckBTvibY+Djb3z/+nj563bCAfuJGSJnu53PMlafCqrMWIWDvdwz+Fdw/0nlZb UfA7+wpQFjnMArbfQlGIdfmU2VCw55oZbTfrgIeX0E7Y2c6zI0I4UyQh8LG1DaGQ5Ar VvJg8Gy4= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X-Y8PRsefU6w; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:06:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FBACD67286; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:06:14 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296939987; bh=3VRTRC0aZpBEjHMnklywTwLSVo1IwbzirsKyuhAH aTI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=TajD+gEh9TJmg5SbfxiYMnaXfUEam px2KucIo2sxwG7NjZZNhF9ysBySYkNY4zT5UKk9oYmdV4AjJERErvvwEPaxpipPfx2a h4O3iSiPwriFZr4pnzBaHoQq4atmBrpNljkNH60QBgZUjRykkAFOjuuTwxc3cEpqWGI vdrUVWCk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 05 Feb 2011 16:06:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D8A5D672AC for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:06:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id isIxMXBAOxuV for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF96FD67286 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.177.62]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p15L5lWa019450 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:05:48 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:06:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Ov Pro windows Message-ID: <51a0f6bf86dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 502 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=H-qIbRhdhlaMgacAk-sA:9 a=vXy235JbNH8WGpQrWhEA:7 a=wZEd9E0374yAI0vcQQbY90RRFcAA:4 Ovation Pro for Windows (v292 Oct 2010) on my Laptop running Win 7 was running okay, but has started producing this error. 'The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect. (Create Directory( (123) (HKEY_CURENT_USER)' Please, what does it mean, and how can it be sorted? I've completely uninstalled Ov Pro, then reinstalled it again, and applied my registration key, rebooted the computer, but that hasn't changed anything. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 5 21:25:39 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlpcW-4aQ000-06-CmN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:25:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlpcW-4aQ000-06-CmN; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:24:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlpcW-4aQ000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:24:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlpcV-0005cI-JA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:24:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF1B1D67020; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:24:37 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296941077; bh=DlOZqJ1CaJCugF80i5oyqNbIGTBIlYamT3z8eae4 k1w=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=GmKsIMku7kmrBmJhNGgowfvc8rD39ZtbR8o//qD9R2uhL43q19 kfbTXLje9kWH15Yhg5h9+gFx0t1Wk/QgbrqH1cxiAXbdTzJt8Hw2RtWQfDLGLbM5af7 qSEH+3z1lThU140Y7yLma0G34SsbBQTrB/EqQNLGNGakW9Oe/3G28A= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10FPy8TNX5p4; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 537DCD66B0C; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:24:24 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296941077; bh=DlOZqJ1CaJCugF80i5oyqNbIGTBIlYamT3z8eae4 k1w=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=GmKsIMku7kmrBmJhNGgowfvc8rD39ZtbR8o//qD9R2uhL43q19 kfbTXLje9kWH15Yhg5h9+gFx0t1Wk/QgbrqH1cxiAXbdTzJt8Hw2RtWQfDLGLbM5af7 qSEH+3z1lThU140Y7yLma0G34SsbBQTrB/EqQNLGNGakW9Oe/3G28A= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 05 Feb 2011 16:24:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2858AD66B28 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:24:24 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id csRgU6W9STlj for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0436D66B0C for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PlpcC-0001iG-Y7 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:24:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:22:54 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro windows References: <51a0f6bf86dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a0f6bf86dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 503 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cEAF5tloSb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=QAi_45GvP7s_HeUSs6EA:9 a=hpuP15HTj-FooraN0tQA:7 a=eb-he5sW2tLNoYx6CUOky-3QTzMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=KDUDHdo3lhrwRZt3:21 a=euIfSHFBql0zfJlq:21 Hi, In message <51a0f6bf86dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >'The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect. >(Create Directory( (123) (HKEY_CURENT_USER)' That's a new one... first thought, are you a user with administrative rights? There's been a lot of trouble with being a mere user on Windows, and W7 is more strict about who can do what. The other question, is what are you doing when you get the above error? Installing the program, or just running it. As far as I can make out the above is an attempt to write to the registry that is failing, and I'd guess they usually only happen during installation. I suppose you could have bad registry entries for OP, and it does not necessarily reset them when you install it again. For example when you run the installer it will offer you the existing path. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 5 21:40:40 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Plpnh-280Vbs-05-CbC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:40:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Plpnh-280Vbs-05-CbC; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:36:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Plpnh-280Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:36:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlpnZ-0002Xf-5h for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:36:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61143D67472; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:36:02 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296941762; bh=rFIIUBHdAk1oMcxayDkF/fYVjkqfhXFmeCIxQPjX iAI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=J+tzOL Amj2f0EXexaRxCBcNZJFqjs4sdqBUNnwcz5GtR3f3u+bvihYneJoBvAcTbBFgh7Iuvr gOgI7v+e7L4QxFzPah2XVHJPG+QdlND9AbZqfdugekCTwFN9PzrRfpIhZ5DouwWBYuA odILpDegwMwdTeVsNw/EsCtvji+LCn4= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Ic5YEms-ueC; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 499B5D67282; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:35:48 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296941761; bh=rFIIUBHdAk1oMcxayDkF/fYVjkqfhXFmeCIxQPjX iAI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=QmMd/1 wszde1Yr+IBAailhij0XZCtipfYwyPYsZJ6lVuxyZZlvXIf/hlHzprlUKv2PMJJz+bM imDshUqCLGYKHSFQ8HFgMEh/d13bsFd0H9+MhgBzdZHmicgejvkLwZQNCSKHuD/tjiz 2lf7oa/6fQHEWvijHjwzegDAJJL7L9s= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 05 Feb 2011 16:35:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24121D672EE for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:35:48 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UPUxnM7j9K0j for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C20BFD67282 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.177.62]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p15LZKAT019883 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:35:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:35:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro windows Message-ID: <51a0f972d3dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51a0f6bf86dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 504 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cEAF5tloSb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=o-n9EEk86n8_v5GvaaUA:9 a=NXtqQ7A3KA3gQgc67u0A:7 a=nGfA45IX0Mhu6W7k93TcGkCuQ8YA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=6N60vt_hVGHmAfTD:21 a=Px4exeC7rR9Hr9WR:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <51a0f6bf86dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >'The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect. > >(Create Directory( (123) (HKEY_CURENT_USER)' > That's a new one... first thought, are you a user with administrative > rights? There's been a lot of trouble with being a mere user on Windows, > and W7 is more strict about who can do what. Yes I'm Admin, and I've also attempted from menu to Run As Administrator, no change. I've also done a Win Restore to a previous time (Earlier today when it was working okay). No change. > The other question, is what are you doing when you get the above error? > Installing the program, or just running it. As far as I can make out the > above is an attempt to write to the registry that is failing, and I'd > guess they usually only happen during installation. Just attempting to run it. Error message and boing. After clicking [OK] A basic OvPro arrives but without my configurations (Tool bar etc). > I suppose you could have bad registry entries for OP, and it does not > necessarily reset them when you install it again. For example when you > run the installer it will offer you the existing path. Would uninstalling it, then reinstalling to a different location possibly help? Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 5 21:55:40 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlpvW-12pknw-07-CTN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:55:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlpvW-12pknw-07-CTN; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:44:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlpvW-12pknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:44:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlpvU-0003vc-QG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:44:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F17C1D674AE; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:44:14 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296942255; bh=TzKVSo+kvgkWIHbSl67U08HXMpG9oROcsNu+f38n X7g=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=WTKo/s 4HT4prEbnEHk2SJJJFspmu4JTCjGmug1Y5lNFS0eOrqXJJcR3eJf1z72u/t7NDZNuI0 Ek1QWyfjRn3cfW+mVN6NpB1LKCZuVpiNJUm/bsa6nkVzRpPLpMrTEMgJ4x2w7kRIW8+ UIkZ1rNp1sRCg6vW/2DGOq3mqJ4I2Qo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 33BSJvE0ClFX; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C468D672DA; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:44:01 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296942254; bh=TzKVSo+kvgkWIHbSl67U08HXMpG9oROcsNu+f38n X7g=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=K30JTM aqE9Ymjwkulv1/d4lkhByUfRoixJHz6uJ0h1+yBxIVmlL+kioZ65vq+x7VVKaXNC50u Oes+hrR9mwVdfIVpqnctySGWAsRrRkP03MEjybgO6ACh9Z2Uh0XzNMv2ydlomZYYqF6 Hjv9N9/xxpXO5AJCh4zcDlqDyks6++E= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 05 Feb 2011 16:44:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27D92D6742A for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:44:01 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dLEwCwrAQUoI for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE0B5D672DA for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 16:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.177.62]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p15LhXW3020003 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 21:43:34 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 21:43:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro windows Message-ID: <51a0fa352adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a0f972d3dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <51a0f972d3dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 505 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cEAF5tloSb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Bce4xQqt31gJC6GH8LUA:9 a=bF-JbUgInFUpmFxZ2A4A:7 a=oCBt5K9Lbqua5EB8xy-zE-OlOM8A:4 a=GuD6kkZSeGoA:10 I've just tried Saving changed Macros, it produces that error. I've also tried Saving a default page, that also produces the error. Something really uppity in the registry. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 5 22:25:41 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlqQ9-222000-02-Byk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 22:25:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlqQ9-222000-02-Byk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 22:15:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlqQ9-222000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 22:15:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlqQ6-0007jr-BS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 22:15:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DBFED674F4; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:15:52 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296944152; bh=I0202Dogwb20bjJ2vXwGHBQPn2uVlN6EA+wapkxA Vz0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=VGt2+WqMcVl8goNmfQfEOQlvz7Z6Afu9ZDCb9iuoq9wT83OpbF hQDuxNv1ZNEyr65Kvi+EYs9bMgKat52VpDw0H9P/7zqB1SJ6Sz7+VyhUn352zVG7jQP abZvcfbue2W3+wed20aBW9FFfweBKTy1WJn48fuak0+orRA10FnXbI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xYUPVylZCWv6; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81F55D67436; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:15:38 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296944151; bh=I0202Dogwb20bjJ2vXwGHBQPn2uVlN6EA+wapkxA Vz0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=GCIRJaae5mCKgm5oWvX6pirPCGresZKqzVm2ZrlFpc1khMuATf Jd41ZFia8bVrY2g7Gn0Fz2ZXAU/XjGXZzDP6qLbMAmSekxgDEWuVX08sB8CFIg8CDNB xUnjn7ensznzr85+pnDAYXs8KIWkD4b9gAdBPBuUxQTFenAJwYBBSg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 05 Feb 2011 17:15:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56F32D674CA for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:15:38 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n7OYSN8gKnXH for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:15:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D095CD67436 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PlqPp-0003KS-fy for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 22:15:37 +0000 Message-ID: <9GQPY6J0ucTNFwRs@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 22:14:12 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro windows References: <51a0f6bf86dave@triffid.co.uk> <51a0f972d3dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a0f972d3dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 506 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cEAF5tloSb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sUYdKm4alfzxIfmc1iYA:9 a=IgYhhO1pVaNE1CS0ofIA:7 a=4NTZDSx8eCC34GuHn94k4yvib4oA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=r-OvI0G07v6FIiad:21 a=nUf7j1AMMC2wl34U:21 Hi, In message <51a0f972d3dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Would uninstalling it, then reinstalling to a different location possibly >help? The problem here is that I've never heard of this happening to anyone. So can the problem be particularly complex. I would uninstall, then locate your equivalent of this folder: C:\Documents and Settings\David Pilling\Application Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro The first "David Pilling" will be replaced by your user name. Rename the folder. It may have a slightly different name on W7 - sorry I can't recall what it is. Then install again in a different location. If that's no help, find this branch in the registry: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\DavidPilling and export it to a file and send it me. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 5 22:40:41 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlqhT-2Nt000-02-BhQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 22:40:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlqhT-2Nt000-02-BhQ; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 22:33:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlqhT-2Nt000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 22:33:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlqhQ-00050x-6a for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 22:33:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EE7CD6754B; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:33:46 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296945226; bh=Gy3qG+bhpmC7h726lwrtCQiVpG0TDkXgjMv0pPPV hhI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=i8dDFL RhzKDgt2KnmQs1CXBvqVljJ+aj8SOgiZ96V0uWHOTTHwnJqNBsiPqytS3EdU5IIzQRv gxMK/bWWBlaHXPBTE3V3m+Rm5mh4wOwXjn6dXhu/G4mlU6exDINQzi1dfkbExRpTgOc XupyCBDwpIB3engqnpOcvFyBfq6oqmk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dh+jJqQbw1tL; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70AAAD6752E; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:33:32 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296945225; bh=Gy3qG+bhpmC7h726lwrtCQiVpG0TDkXgjMv0pPPV hhI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=X0Y1HN gUTgIPuolWoml2d48q9yUKHTAzQzq3lPhrNIyj+wOekrXazLOEKLnq5a+uvO0/ljnCL 14S4jZFCA+g+0tf0bbnuIRipI02r5oHIenmRMd9hKTVmcmUd37Tk2fBVGdbyjgrEXnk taBaWbuhje73aqBSUMMYku0JBdEjRno= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 05 Feb 2011 17:33:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B1D0D6753C for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:33:32 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mRSKzoXBDhKP for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDDFAD6752E for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.177.62]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p15MX32p020749 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 22:33:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 22:33:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro windows Message-ID: <51a0febb81dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9GQPY6J0ucTNFwRs@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <51a0f6bf86dave@triffid.co.uk> <51a0f972d3dave@triffid.co.uk> <9GQPY6J0ucTNFwRs@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 507 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cEAF5tloSb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=oGuuG2TKK2QjM94YkUcA:9 a=ws5awtcQqjakkCNR6vQA:7 a=pYiXa6yryexJ2Z5w-44dAW8j7E4A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=F5xAiYTZUmQ2Q_Y1:21 a=e6Q9HTFy_OREaMis:21 In article <9GQPY6J0ucTNFwRs@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <51a0f972d3dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >Would uninstalling it, then reinstalling to a different location > >possibly help? > The problem here is that I've never heard of this happening to anyone. > So can the problem be particularly complex. > I would uninstall, then locate your equivalent of this folder: > C:\Documents and Settings\David Pilling\Application > Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro > The first "David Pilling" will be replaced by your user name. Rename the > folder. It may have a slightly different name on W7 - sorry I can't > recall what it is. > Then install again in a different location. > If that's no help, find this branch in the registry: > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\DavidPilling > and export it to a file and send it me. Thanks for the above. I did a system restore back to two days ago, but it was still very uppity, so I shall set it back to where it was today. It's gettimg a bit late, so once restored, I shall quit for today and come at it fresh tomorrow, using you above noted suggestions. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 11:48:37 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlrKj-2orknw-07-B4A.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:48:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlrKj-2orknw-07-B4A; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 23:14:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlrKj-2orknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 23:14:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlrKg-0002zn-UC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 23:14:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93DE9D67596; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:14:20 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20110205231404.VNJC19887.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 23:14:04 +0000 Received: from a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk ([81.111.51.212]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20110205231403.ESGK25842.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 23:14:03 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A6 booklet production To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Anthony Hilton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 23:07:33 GMT Message-ID: <14df01a151.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> References: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <2ddce5a051.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> <51a0edd3a8riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a0edd3a8riscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=b0FIqD2yHssA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=pUO-iFI3X4ltjjw-6R8A:9 a=-d4MVHzhCIGjMG9Lm6_yZ_bmWW0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PJKqZEa2XX4y20Ww:21 a=x6caaQJieU81WwbR:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 508 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_YPuHfFtGc0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pUO-iFI3X4ltjjw-6R8A:9 a=wOWMHFuL6DbdKA0EY58A:7 a=zjRF12CQrOJocwO2BLWaauAzn5sA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=NMyzQoVFyfJoa75s:21 a=QsO4aqaWFCfUCWKm:21 In message <51a0edd3a8riscos@mdharding.org.uk> M Harding wrote: > In article <2ddce5a051.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk>, > Anthony Hilton wrote: >> In message <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> >> M Harding wrote: >>> A6 booklets via OvPro >>> I've codged a complicated version in OvPro, but wonder whether >>> there's an elegant or even simple way to produce it? >> I hope so. > Thanks for the comprehensive tutorial - I'll do some experimentation > asap. >> Second set your document page to A6 (148 x 105 mm) with the margins >> you want and set your styles for font, type size etc (or grab a >> copy of the OPro stylesheet >> http://www.tinshill.f9.co.uk/ant/A6Booklet.dps and modify it as >> you want). > That link doesn't seem to work. 8-( Thank you for pointing it out - a typo in the file name before uploading has now been corrected. I have also put the same file into a zip archive in case a web browser doesn't know what to do with a .dps file http://www.tinshill.f9.co.uk/ant/A6Booklet.zip Anthony -- Anthony Hilton ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 11:48:38 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlrKx-287knw-06-B3w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:48:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlrKx-287knw-06-B3w; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 23:14:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlrKx-287knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 23:14:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlrKo-0006S6-Nb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 23:14:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60235D6759A; 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Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B3EED67567 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 18:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20110205231407.RWLB23441.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 23:14:07 +0000 Received: from a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk ([81.111.51.212]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20110205231407.ESGV25842.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 23:14:07 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A6 booklet production To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Anthony Hilton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 23:13:44 GMT Message-ID: References: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51a0e18a95riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51a0ee59f6riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a0ee59f6riscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; 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You will not need it for 16 A6 pages on 2 A4 sheets > No I shan't need it in this case. But I'm puzzled that I can't find > the sub-menu. I've got OvPro v2.75 and !Imposit v.1.02 - might it be a > version thing? I have !Imposit 1.03 (which requires Opro 2.44 or later) so it might be worth getting a copy of this version instead of 1.02 Anthony -- Anthony Hilton ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 11:48:42 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PlyLH-03qknw-04-Ca8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:48:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PlyLH-03qknw-04-Ca8; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 06:43:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PlyLH-03qknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 06:43:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PlyLC-0004vI-VS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 06:43:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DCD1D67743; 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Sun, 6 Feb 2011 01:43:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B350FD66118 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 01:43:05 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEGADrSTU3Unw4S/2dsb2JhbACXFY4gc7lehVoE Received: from outmx06.plus.net ([212.159.14.18]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 06 Feb 2011 06:43:04 +0000 Received: from bapfish.plus.com ([84.92.151.71] helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by outmx06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1PlyKt-0006vn-Sr for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 06:43:04 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro windows To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 06:42:47 GMT Message-ID: <738c2ba151.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <51a0f6bf86dave@triffid.co.uk> <51a0f972d3dave@triffid.co.uk> <9GQPY6J0ucTNFwRs@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51a0febb81dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a0febb81dave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 510 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cEAF5tloSb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=rU6WKuyXAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=27Wqh5CAXyT24rg_uEgA:9 a=UUohGmQEXeHB-HS5rb8A:7 a=RZqtZcl_Xoti15y-3GaB9YsTgnwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=WorzccoNYnQA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=gN2wsmasbgU0P5zv:21 a=bdSN4obK_sXuBcdN:21 In message <51a0febb81dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > Thanks for the above. > I did a system restore back to two days ago, but it was still very uppity, > so I shall set it back to where it was today. > It's gettimg a bit late, so once restored, I shall quit for today and come > at it fresh tomorrow, using you above noted suggestions. > Thanks > Dave How about trying the following: Download and install the FREE version of RevoUninstaller http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_uninstaller_free_download.html Run Revouninstaller using it to uninstall Ovation Pro. During the process, choose to delete OvPro's registry entries, and later choose to delete all of Ovation Pro's files if asked. When Revouninstaller has finished - Restart the PC. Install a fresh copy of Ovation Pro (logged on as Administrator user). Bernard -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 11:48:44 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pm0gz-0DD000-06-AEQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:48:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pm0gz-0DD000-06-AEQ; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 09:14:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pm0gz-0DD000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 09:14:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pm0gu-0001Os-2w for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 09:14:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51EFBD62A8B; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 04:13:54 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296983634; bh=2a23x1eHOhJjcqf5X/iyVU3g7u4SojJO2eh/z3b2 zvM=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=FzsM4HByMjNfnUjGTkH9Jox7jKrjKrfcglRS9dcm65m23KuxUb 3uckoMud5C/NRTgmda1f5u38p9l4N+4n8lBDgQ30ypGWwRylqrnK0wC9MlgNabZZKku GTnZDLd2EnS59f3Gu0ON9neAB1vAgC4WjLhYwSs0S7OzgpavMGMOjk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PFxD2KvZD4Ov; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 04:13:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADD2ED60E89; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 04:13:40 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296983633; bh=2a23x1eHOhJjcqf5X/iyVU3g7u4SojJO2eh/z3b2 zvM=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=YFGglLESZP5auy60R5IAMCKoOBI6UOai4bMz2Av9+w0bStDW/6 mRAe0PmtlKe+Dn/hEccIQh3tx8+YVVhVb04WazIBxl1RBTJXjLKOt805zVWpV28ixhY atg+vq9WdVozk7Cb4hLY2HN+RPVSYpeY9wjOsy0Fxa7Yd1LTWxw6VQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 04:13:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79EC2D629CA for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 04:13:40 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sxtngZd+iRy6 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 04:13:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BB01D60E89 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 04:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.166.34]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p169D9jG000423 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:13:10 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 09:13:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Ov Pro windows Message-ID: <51a139565edave@triffid.co.uk> References: <51a0f6bf86dave@triffid.co.uk> <51a0f972d3dave@triffid.co.uk> <9GQPY6J0ucTNFwRs@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51a0febb81dave@triffid.co.uk> <738c2ba151.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <738c2ba151.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 511 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=rU6WKuyXAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_Ek3tuePaFB6K_4T3IIA:9 a=uxQ_0ci111QB5dKsWe8A:7 a=4VudN0CmiXknLIuxEiMBJG90pZIA:4 a=WorzccoNYnQA:10 In article <738c2ba151.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com>, Bernard wrote: [Snip] > How about trying the following: > Download and install the FREE version of RevoUninstaller > http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_uninstaller_free_download.html > Run Revouninstaller using it to uninstall Ovation Pro. During the > process, choose to delete OvPro's registry entries, and later choose > to delete all of Ovation Pro's files if asked. > When Revouninstaller has finished - Restart the PC. > Install a fresh copy of Ovation Pro (logged on as Administrator user). > Bernard Thank you Bernard for the prompt, I'll get to that later, first some additional material. Well folks... Upon rising early this AM, I got at it again, and after an uninstall of *everything* David Pilling, I reinstalled from the original OvPro Win CD as Administrator. Obviously wouldn't run as it was too old, but immediately did an update over it, which ran, produced the error and required my Reg Key which I input, it accepted. As per before, OvPro will Run, present the error message, which if I click past does actually load a skeleton OvPro, which is usable, but cannot be reconfigured in any way, Toolbar, Save Default doc etc, but will load, edit and Save a .dpd document. I did wonder if it might just be a win 7 thing, so I've also run it in Compatibility mode for XP SP3, no change. A load of other boring things done, and more reinstalls and uninstalls. Spent a lot of time Googling for the Error message, and while I found quite a bit of stuff about the first part of the message, I found nothing of use about the second part. Now we come to Bernard's suggestion, and a good idea it was... So got Revo to do the FULL business, then again reinstalled from the original CD, updated, entered key... Boing... Nothing has changed. Sorry Bernard, but thanks for the suggestion. I wish I knew exactly what the damn words in the error meant. 'The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect' What does that actually mean? '(Create Directory) (123) ( for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:48:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pm2Wa-27M000-01-GvL; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 11:11:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pm2Wa-27M000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 11:11:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pm2WW-0004Cm-R1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 11:11:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77500D67338; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 06:11:19 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296990679; bh=H3FuOH/o5uc1bqYX4OkbitZ4aOlLmlEFDbUtV7pU sZ0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=xqkBFMdJUMgEyMUBDXNogTVuzdrAt TAX1Wdr8AzxLAm8NkTksMZtuG0+xiq9r64/gyGrarsYjvwckZBLtZxmwxfEXHWu1Y2A c/EYMv7nowp7G5Le+vRrderNo28QEw133YEEGRBlqNiqUC5sqbeDnZBliYYnO2XHdeC 1MEsbixg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lOBnftSO+UaB; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 06:11:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8177D6708D; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 06:11:05 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296990678; bh=H3FuOH/o5uc1bqYX4OkbitZ4aOlLmlEFDbUtV7pU sZ0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=YDNBA1Rg6PcF33gN62QjF1DAQtEak s4u3SVZJ6pYy1igrzTjvugHx1wNf+Pqns13HudYsh/pWO2t8f1opoFE+UH8E5zPQ1lD 2scE7yBtQeGJm91phbMJe9BtzMGgalCryps3tjIh4i4OkLDXe1bY6ETreQ8Pu3EmFB9 2B93rGzw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 06:11:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B04DD670EE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 06:11:05 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XAX+nAYAyfV9 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 06:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2491D6708D for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 06:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.166.34]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p16BAZUM002287 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:10:36 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 11:10:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Ov Pro windows Message-ID: <51a14417a6dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 512 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=KxWKr4dW5j-Y8buNnoQA:9 a=fGOlGbEiUCrYS_ZsK_YA:7 a=rlIoSRdPNFaIBzkt6mTfJyIKXMAA:4 This really is weird... I'm scratching my A*** in wonderment. I run OvPro, it errors, I click past the error and it presents okay but in a very basic form. I can re-work the Toolbar to my requirements, but if I then do a [Save] it error and will not save. However, if I do a SaveAs and explicitly Save it (!Macros) somewhere, it will execute that Save correctly. Quit OvPro. Restart OvPro, click past the error, OvPro basic arrives. Now if I double click the newly saved !Macros file, OvPro changes to reflect the new toolbar without erroring. Interestingly, when OvPro installs, it does not automatically create a David Pilling directory C:\Users\Dave\AppData\Roaming\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun (xx) Which usually contains: !Choices.csc !fonts... !Macros... !Prefs... !Tags... I have manually created one to contain the stuff I'm manually saving, but the above seems to be at the heart of the problem. Why is the OvPro install no longer creating the AutoRun dir and registering it in the Registry. Perhaps I need to create a new entry in ...HKEY_CURENT_USER Software an OvPro directory/Key with an entry for Path to AtoRun? As I previously mentioned, cannot Save as Default document, Applets in the Applet manager cannot be turned On or Off, their existing state, some on some off is fixed. Dave (xx) Nor does it create it anywhere else, even AppData\Local. D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 12:18:38 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pm3Vp-28mknw-07-Fw6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:18:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pm3Vp-28mknw-07-Fw6; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 12:14:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pm3Vp-28mknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 12:14:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pm3Vk-0007cU-1W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 12:14:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C50D1D673F2; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:14:33 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296994473; bh=F7FKYt7ZBUt47zyFA+uqz8E9hvlzcoewErRrRcU0 n+0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=aPRhMIHx3XORgmBUF/IAYovnKEL4qcZIA/KzVnXujh9hxdhL3K rObEZIo9ll8vlg+g2JXYeRxwtm1JNNcUa5Qdc74j+VbT615k08xfqENnoFlZSqtXZXV 1N+lp+OeMfTzn1C+GR7lhTykiwM7PLVhdO4GbNTySOHAfGHN6TrtvI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A71hWJFJO1K7; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07BD7D6731F; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:14:19 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296994472; bh=F7FKYt7ZBUt47zyFA+uqz8E9hvlzcoewErRrRcU0 n+0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Os6ToF/5w8xC42EyrrEyOnoYHpPlWzeIDAEYebmpXnkMeT3X9h n0hIs8AawhM4pO5dIoyyiVkZuJxLnoe3D9P15PqXpoIQNRbuuTfnwsiJxJwNV+RefIE w+z3CQd2gdejV7NuNudUyr3retPYqfFfNqKaIGaAxYStt9Gn4rnaI0= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 07:14:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5EDFD673F7 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:14:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tcyb0u18PaJW for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:14:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45F48D66155 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Pm3VS-0001OF-mu for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 12:14:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:13:10 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro windows References: <51a14417a6dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a14417a6dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 513 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cEAF5tloSb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=t1Y7f_zzULoATeoIrPcA:9 a=6_nWt3B39mETlmCy7h4A:7 a=lp8o_6mOqZw24K1KdJkis3Aid6sA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=mQbIDyq6vVvCrSiz:21 a=ntJJ9D4cnCkI-Uf5:21 Hi, Firstly I got this, posted from a non-subscribed address. ====== As an uninvolved watcher of this thread I wonder whether the spelling 'CURENT' is correct. I would expect 'CURRENT'. Probably nothing to do with it at all, but you never know. Cheers - Graham Graham N P Jenkins ====== It is a brilliant point, but I suspect the spelling error came when Dave copied the error message. As to the problem. Ovation Pro is trying to create a folder. The error message should tell you the name of the folder it is trying to create. I think I've got it, in a later posting Dave has put 's when they should be expanded to form part of a file name. The problem is that a registry key value is missing. It seems to be that OP can be set up for single users or multiple users. That setting looks like it won't work on W7. So two things, the multiuser setting needs changing, second looks like there is a problem with W7. More soon... ======== static char * macrospath="\\DavidPilling\\OvationPro\\AutoRun\\!Macros.csc"; static char * macrosbasepath="\\AutoRun\\!Macros.csc"; err=macrossave(multiuser?macrospath:macrosbasepath,0); -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 12:33:38 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pm3mm-17Kknw-03-Ff9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:33:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pm3mm-17Kknw-03-Ff9; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 12:32:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pm3mm-17Kknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 12:32:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pm3mh-0004iO-AJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 12:32:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC616D673B3; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:32:05 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296995525; bh=7KYHPd/yBpDaw8sa8sWCgLzjlDIpcKbgfqBhhISO PQk=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=qPQeOtbGq8ff48RbSIjP6ptimckNHCnIhR933v5nkVKfz0fUJc 5UrfAhrcNYMbO7uf82bGakAcOkX7YmixHhwMUmMX22CdLW7DQpbn8aEliIbkAeNIAwA vtEeYHmDCfYcmwOx1UvtFlBHifwhzjiCeAqHBu8j+iZnMM3VJFqRyc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BNFJm5-DxnvY; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3866D67338; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:31:51 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296995524; bh=7KYHPd/yBpDaw8sa8sWCgLzjlDIpcKbgfqBhhISO PQk=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Hw3ecSmKKvqnShfqvc3Ohffd+CdpE0jgePhPleT61Um3fX9shc S4Hu2soFGz0cUgtRK44DXvk63CJ3iAdszwIeFUJHC7J+JDCnSZT0vHrczhKGKzd9I2c Mh0CDuNCtOnIde9BE5v71aElO05heRb4qEAi3CnaIv1RctwRteIVR0= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 07:31:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3487D6734B for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:31:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tALnjTDvyY99 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3495CD67338 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:31:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Pm3mP-0001aR-ca for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 12:31:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:30:11 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro windows References: <51a14417a6dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 514 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cEAF5tloSb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=mvFqff9i3NLkLV8OWNIA:9 a=xEE4qXkssdEUn9szM4cA:7 a=lqlaM4_8n3RgNJKwj4C36vrdh6gA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=R9XrIqQoSx5mmt3t:21 a=GHR3TFsG6DSWiLLp:21 Hi, In message , David Pilling writes >It seems to be that OP can be set up for single users or multiple >users. That setting looks like it won't work on W7. Hmm. as far as I can see 'multiuser' is implemented but not enabled. It should be set to 1, in which case the problem Dave is having cannot arise. To put it another way, as far as I know, there is no way of the user toggling the multiuser setting, but it has the wrong value. One then starts to think about the code being corrupted. Possibly the .exe unpacks incorrectly on W7, or when the program is run, 'multiuser' is over written by a neighbouring variable. I wonder, if this problem is new to the latest version, because although the program works on W7, I don't test every version on W7. I'll try the *latest* version on my W7 machine after lunch, Dave - you're talking about a version from October, I doubt that will be any different, but please use the latest version. Another good question, when did this problem arise - has the program ever worked on the problem system?, was it older versions of OP that worked? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 12:48:39 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pm3qK-2q3knw-07-Fbb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:48:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pm3qK-2q3knw-07-Fbb; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 12:35:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pm3qK-2q3knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 12:35:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pm3qE-00019M-0U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 12:35:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79783D673F7; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:35:43 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296995743; bh=nY2FsjTLnLTa7i6owxBun/UNQLNsJCwE0IkJ9VlR +hI=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=aIC5pABwprjSlqmNzIbSQB2Yk9joQ89xoChu6I6Fc+yD7h5FX2 pOW3XS04V/MovZeQwVPGJ0ziGkEvNt2JY5UaBgWInTc9T9yGxIOhcjOrcoRjkvmXkHQ 6Xi1ZoPjdgBNRfT5bFdkO006mt3cB6q2TiXXOfsyMSzjA3e4eBoUXc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nY8fwwIRoY-R; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:35:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E224D6734B; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:35:29 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1296995742; bh=nY2FsjTLnLTa7i6owxBun/UNQLNsJCwE0IkJ9VlR +hI=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=YQ94/SiPJ3wrmSsYRgBqSsHPA3X3t9qSqMgzYmAbxjbVfqdiaX /M5133cIfkU0xBSdlXkR5lZV1UKknX2g0v0lYWhQLd29Sj9SOAtSuoq7pIoe0VEtAIT Zmje13isrYSJO7vEmtzgpr57UH+b4cRaz2C5dU/9X/u1Y8mTdzaPk8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 07:35:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 610FAD673B3 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:35:29 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gO0aPVA6CJBQ for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:35:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (yoda.london.02.net [82.132.130.151]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0E88D6734B for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:35:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from riscpc.o2.co.uk (93.97.148.139) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.119.05) (authenticated as mytardis@o2.co.uk) id 4C9F76EE221B00A9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:35:25 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro windows To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 12:34:36 GMT Message-ID: <25c24ba151.chris@o2.co.uk> References: <51a14417a6dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a14417a6dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/6.20) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 516 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@noonehere.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cEAF5tloSb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=Pcw6SIVUAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=66CWq5bRx-aRxGZjRrQA:9 a=UbJ5N1LOYwWIKirjMPcA:7 a=wWt5j6BLIYMy-lQOmr7MycLrakAA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=lbC2pTO_Rki4pPeE:21 a=UPZFKK6cUzpbnW1x:21 In message <51a14417a6dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > This really is weird... I'm scratching my A*** in wonderment. > I run OvPro, it errors, I click past the error and it presents okay but in > a very basic form. > I can re-work the Toolbar to my requirements, but if I then do a [Save] it > error and will not save. > However, if I do a SaveAs and explicitly Save it (!Macros) somewhere, it > will execute that Save correctly. > Quit OvPro. > Restart OvPro, click past the error, OvPro basic arrives. > Now if I double click the newly saved !Macros file, OvPro changes to > reflect the new toolbar without erroring. > Interestingly, when OvPro installs, it does not automatically create a > David Pilling directory > C:\Users\Dave\AppData\Roaming\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun (xx) The clue is this, you don't have enough rights to create the folder (even as a so called "administrator" remember that under Windows 7 there are two types of Administrator. The one whereby you can literally do anything you want regardless (which can be open season for hackers etc) - you need to login as this person, and a User administrator - this is what you are. This has more rights then a mere user but *not* total administrator rights. Try changing the rights on above folder (create manually if necessary). The same applies to Program Files folder structure and the Program Data folder structure. Its to try and stop naughty (bad software putting nasties in these primary areas of your system). Anything that needs to write to one of these area needs to have the correct rights or it will have issues. Same can apply also to VRPC. Been there, done that. [snip] -- Chris Hughes Wakefield RISC OS Computer Show - 16th April 2011 http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 14:33:42 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pm5YV-4dsknw-03-DtQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:33:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pm5YV-4dsknw-03-DtQ; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 14:25:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pm5YV-4dsknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 14:25:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pm5YR-00051B-Pb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 14:25:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 796A6D66D57; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:25:29 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297002329; bh=oM6hulB/mSMvl7NReoPLC2N56hyEew9wm+na/RIo 3cw=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=VDqFUeokATsI8alyK9ayL684UW8hk1A0Ed12bY9byhxfitZRct 8ihsc0dfAXcvLBhNZAeiuS7tm43hRDDAvJcq/Cucy37zuYgLB6EulcjAJ4XPblLX07d 47IEsW3zWA5Svl6MESQj7a/2BJUFL/FaoeeNx5BcaGq7amm7mKStzU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q561x4N0YUSa; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:25:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F18CD66D18; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:25:15 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297002328; bh=oM6hulB/mSMvl7NReoPLC2N56hyEew9wm+na/RIo 3cw=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=RU4i9NbbVtAEL57GpWC2wcOvnGsp0I2REmIiIxWRQxu8pcuOCb tkJh55Mi1XfHKqaRSxReKCiG3SfwELhBVTp3fTR3fHzJJH6GoHUilZxWYAifm2AQjDK ia9V7zld97OCQ6NuluzYqq2RuMHxwk7P7oQWIX7lsbXx/EIJQyFsx8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 09:25:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A8A4D66D21 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:25:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y+L2StGRWjgf for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF04FD66D18 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:25:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Pm5Y9-0007iR-ZR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 14:25:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:24:01 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro windows References: <51a14417a6dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 517 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cEAF5tloSb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ndDKENrlzwOmkPnnzN8A:9 a=ptFeJfbtT7FjckqD71QA:7 a=PWcydnEKsWzKuJhktyYmyVuXoZMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=qRFyicLzq9KGqGn7:21 a=yz-4i4Qd6f2DvzGc:21 Hi, I've just tried the latest version of OP (January 2011) on W7. Installs and works with no problems. As to the creation of things like the Autorun folder. These are not created on installation, they're created as needed. For example there is no Autorun until the Macros are saved (or until something else that needs the folder is done). However, this is not the problem, Dave's problem is that the program is accessing a registry key that does not exist, and that under normal circumstances the program is not intended to access that registry key. On my W7, this key: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVers ion\\Explorer\\Shell Folders\\AppData exists and has a sensible value. So even if it was used it would work. Other thing about user rights, it's not just installation, it's also the rights you have when running the program. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 14:48:43 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pm5n6-1IiVbs-06-Dep.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:48:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pm5n6-1IiVbs-06-Dep; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 14:40:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pm5n6-1IiVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 14:40:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pm5mz-0000AK-Df for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 14:40:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A094D676A2; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:40:31 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297003231; bh=PjvTQgDXYqEenIgOu1JgVI2aMuDrGYflHn+6mQD3 E7A=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=posgnn wgXHlr9Zd4cMQv5HxH6HqX2mUrq0+/EwBMyeV1s/ZhvxMolEe9cW96Gep2esCUXzJi5 h5UhSNE6pZULloi8oNjyrdL2MqVDagou4PcTISMrKTHAJo1D+Fuizj5ju+QmJZX9G2s 35QKXFmyvNu3d7q6U3VGsh5+rQ65jbg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Iw1oQnvteywU; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:40:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB0A7D66F33; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:40:17 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297003230; bh=PjvTQgDXYqEenIgOu1JgVI2aMuDrGYflHn+6mQD3 E7A=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=VvPTJX EZmrLxb1PhUlL0xB7jM3CA9GmVl28GGxig5I2SAZcXlqafvLLnten7vDxrERTNwvG+P GfL8HTiv5rz/vZmysv5EzyoCJO+/2B9RMwQy5vp6BeDvcSlT+zF7ycOmbhz6UBtcJhh 1ykbBUm7CoDFBPTj2hYuaMvIlSwMR5s= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 09:40:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E00BD66F39 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:40:17 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23PH2PfmuqGf for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30B36D66F33 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:40:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.166.59]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p16EdmNE005491 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:39:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 14:15:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro windows Message-ID: <51a15509c0dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <25c24ba151.chris@o2.co.uk> References: <51a14417a6dave@triffid.co.uk> <25c24ba151.chris@o2.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 518 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cEAF5tloSb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=sScr6U9RAAAA:8 a=cFVgxdPbAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xfbaIpd5qc1X8sTgISwA:9 a=ddHeKm-prw3xhGk0yDAA:7 a=xovtYZFhUFf1uEsNDAzt3Xxyh6YA:4 a=uM05R_bXrMoA:10 a=SMhshsXvcj4A:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=ie24hroN1eesfr9-:21 a=d0EP43hv5leJnHOV:21 In article <25c24ba151.chris@o2.co.uk>, Chris Hughes wrote: > In message <51a14417a6dave@triffid.co.uk> > Dave Symes wrote: > > This really is weird... I'm scratching my A*** in wonderment. > > I run OvPro, it errors, I click past the error and it presents okay but in > > a very basic form. > > I can re-work the Toolbar to my requirements, but if I then do a [Save] it > > error and will not save. > > However, if I do a SaveAs and explicitly Save it (!Macros) somewhere, it > > will execute that Save correctly. > > Quit OvPro. > > Restart OvPro, click past the error, OvPro basic arrives. > > Now if I double click the newly saved !Macros file, OvPro changes to > > reflect the new toolbar without erroring. > > Interestingly, when OvPro installs, it does not automatically create a > > David Pilling directory > > C:\Users\Dave\AppData\Roaming\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun (xx) > The clue is this, you don't have enough rights to create the folder > (even as a so called "administrator" remember that under Windows 7 > there are two types of Administrator. The one whereby you can > literally do anything you want regardless (which can be open season > for hackers etc) - you need to login as this person, and a User > administrator - this is what you are. This has more rights then a mere > user but *not* total administrator rights. > Try changing the rights on above folder (create manually if > necessary). It is a pity you cut out the bit below in my last posting... "I have manually created one to contain the stuff I'm manually saving, but the above seems to be at the heart of the problem." To which I will add I have full rights on the directory I've already manually created. Yes I'm aware of the shortcomings you mention, but sorry I think this is a herring. On one occasion I specifically did the Install from Administrator, didn't make any difference. The problem is not a manual anything, OvPro will not do it even from an Administrator. > The same applies to Program Files folder structure and the Program > Data folder structure. Its to try and stop naughty (bad software > putting nasties in these primary areas of your system). Anything that > needs to write to one of these area needs to have the correct rights > or it will have issues. > Same can apply also to VRPC. Been there, done that. > [snip] -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 14:48:43 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pm5n9-3vzknw-01-Dem.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:48:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pm5n9-3vzknw-01-Dem; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 14:40:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pm5n9-3vzknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 14:40:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pm5n2-0000Ab-1I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 14:40:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EEB3D676E3; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:40:33 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297003233; bh=YHbNPtVGUs2chLmHLvmaVtW0S1xYNjrbOPc35aNR XnU=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=tDt9F5 Bj4xnkLlfrJKjtY0NEy+ETVLCGeIZvUVRgMJeCXP6KDexCcw1GimxbrDE976TR2UC1s txoh9bqfMsnAAbwDlHntdbwU5k1VkDOleh6Nt75XZoBnSqm+StA8zii+xiWJFfWXl5y gcSRlEnUBpdVIRtRbTx1ALfrMUBm4TQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e5Ao9eqDbCEG; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E1B5D67621; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:40:18 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297003231; bh=YHbNPtVGUs2chLmHLvmaVtW0S1xYNjrbOPc35aNR XnU=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=FeHqae PHLG9bLivY028x2ZEljjcoai/TyYtBa/2tahEKopDZgcGwvI0tvlkB/fU6nvLYkBXVQ Nlc29uKrwVJwYFhaKh7OIdw3uDqoXZjS/pIUZohZAscwPzjgKGWRU2fDs51u42r4nFZ /dByYfv8jtDN4abvdJ4GZcCeVFCNxus= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 09:40:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6081FD67633 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:40:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id URx9REolKnkA for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10289D67621 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.166.59]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p16EdmNG005491 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:39:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 14:28:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro windows Message-ID: <51a1562a43dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51a14417a6dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 519 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cEAF5tloSb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RS5eTGZL0V4akw_pE_oA:9 a=8PACyECUoJ1J8IVYFTYA:7 a=y2nCc69kZsQtE5omlAnfctBqLjoA:4 a=sxMRSecjqOZIxRfr:21 a=2TxqV3SRKdtefIdl:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message , David Pilling > writes > >It seems to be that OP can be set up for single users or multiple > >users. That setting looks like it won't work on W7. > Hmm. as far as I can see 'multiuser' is implemented but not enabled. It > should be set to 1, in which case the problem Dave is having cannot > arise. To put it another way, as far as I know, there is no way of the > user toggling the multiuser setting, but it has the wrong value. > One then starts to think about the code being corrupted. Possibly the > .exe unpacks incorrectly on W7, or when the program is run, 'multiuser' > is over written by a neighbouring variable. > I wonder, if this problem is new to the latest version, because although > the program works on W7, I don't test every version on W7. I'll try the > *latest* version on my W7 machine after lunch, Dave - you're talking > about a version from October, I doubt that will be any different, but > please use the latest version. I am now using the Jan 2011 version, but I have tried Both Jan and October 2010, no difference. > Another good question, when did this problem arise - has the program > ever worked on the problem system?, was it older versions of OP that > worked? It worked yesterday morning with version Oct 2010 and had been working previous to that without hitch, as She'd been doing a lot of work with it. I updated a few minor Apps yesterday at various times, but then later when the problem cropped up, I took the recovery back to before the app updates, no change, then back a couple of days, still no change. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 14:48:43 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pm5nN-0POVbs-03-DeY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:48:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pm5nN-0POVbs-03-DeY; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 14:40:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pm5nN-0POVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 14:40:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pm5nE-0004GX-NQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 14:40:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6414D676F9; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:40:35 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297003235; bh=Z3oY70DppTDFVW0/UJBMcAtiYbEOpzVNhgi3DmP/ QKk=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=NtLmAC 88tDBC/JvY71LrLmDC1x0t9wK8P7ti7Hqjtt6l/9/SmV4dUZDdX9HnfPpC6NjzwoCTd WTPtJNo7cXEdO3Zd4NzQguWyalawFwKHYLWH3IAy60JCEVLPzEx7ufjjPdNj6vPtQ1g ck8aQewQ3h9B+3meZHL09DgLUM7WujI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6lztVKkw9xp7; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 140DDD67645; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:40:22 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297003234; bh=Z3oY70DppTDFVW0/UJBMcAtiYbEOpzVNhgi3DmP/ QKk=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Rsq2rS rxaAmDAEhaXfyGFlDDntmv5as2zxPkSU7VOEUVpmGwXWnyRW0v58hXeeSnCL5lou1PC KCn6Ln3ufcu8y/Qn68JLyOXctQmh85M6lW00wljAcVtSUUKyjwyCnyd31NR7iiYQ4AW UZKP+0Wdxq9pGSHA4GE33veCm4baOG4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 09:40:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE020D67648 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:40:21 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tbok7z0W4blC for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B2DFD67645 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 09:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.166.59]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p16EdmNI005491 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:39:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 14:40:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro windows Message-ID: <51a1573ecfdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51a14417a6dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 520 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cEAF5tloSb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=vM_bbl7uqy4a1j79_wAA:9 a=TaaWuY3t1K4o3-VXO9AA:7 a=u_WM87k-YNSy-uTXw0fXv5CKunsA:4 a=zkPqc4LZ74mGSxgs:21 a=B1V0JyB-Z-UvqUUD:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Firstly I got this, posted from a non-subscribed address. > ====== > As an uninvolved watcher of this thread I wonder whether the spelling > 'CURENT' is correct. I would expect 'CURRENT'. Probably nothing to do > with it at all, but you never know. > Cheers - > Graham > Graham N P Jenkins > ====== > It is a brilliant point, but I suspect the spelling error came when Dave > copied the error message. Yes a typo, sorry about that, weariness and probably bleariness. There were two typos actually. CURRENT and missing the open angle bracket before As to the problem. > Ovation Pro is trying to create a folder. The error message should tell > you the name of the folder it is trying to create. Mmnnn! Not deducible by me from that err message. > I think I've got it, in a later posting Dave has put made the point about saving macros, which is very good because it lets > me see where things are going wrong. > In the code registry keys appear in <>'s when they should be expanded to > form part of a file name. The problem is that a registry key value is > missing. > It seems to be that OP can be set up for single users or multiple users. > That setting looks like it won't work on W7. > So two things, the multiuser setting needs changing, second looks like > there is a problem with W7. > More soon... > ======== > static char * > macrospath=" ion\\Explorer\\Shell > Folders\\AppData>\\DavidPilling\\OvationPro\\AutoRun\\!Macros.csc"; This does not exist. > static char * > macrosbasepath=" >\\AutoRun\\!Macros.csc"; > err=macrossave(multiuser?macrospath:macrosbasepath,0); Neither does this exist. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 15:18:44 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pm6CD-36fknw-02-DFi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:18:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pm6CD-36fknw-02-DFi; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 15:06:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pm6CD-36fknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 15:06:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pm6C8-00053B-Bn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 15:06:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7692DD676F8; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 10:06:30 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297004790; bh=nSJUDAyNDeLlZwVAe1dh6eLZdprynWjWEc96EB1o cs8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=fecKL7DDjuBzqozVzg69LUasVw4eFo6JjxvlPcykCdrpRBNLZk AxDmf3rQ+LJAM7nmQ/sFjTuVN2biLoEC0WWB/oUt11wmmyujrjJXCFLqEQ9iKKisb3G iU9EBzFXTZ8aeMc8+tFhm6g2f2eNq5W7+hMRpsDx0l74esfaRgFsvs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14nasSVuHVHr; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 10:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AF5CD6731F; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 10:06:16 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297004789; bh=nSJUDAyNDeLlZwVAe1dh6eLZdprynWjWEc96EB1o cs8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Oz1rE6QDp5TjP47/Njig12O/152PAMiQvcb1EiZKQdVNU/o+7U 5JlFgzPqSNiYegb0ihQRszT9IHCJmWMO9SulTkbWw/Hch9SjOVTSv1/Qt7CQT1LwBWe qpQixvz2+A8PKRQIglrJIHPNIGw+zKzH1pTG3JaxNwl9t9FrTCkyFg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 10:06:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10F03D676D3 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 10:06:16 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ihc1V4gfxSwn for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 10:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97C69D6731F for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 10:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.166.59]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p16F5lL8005900 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:05:48 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 15:06:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Ov Pro windows Message-ID: <51a1599f6cdave@triffid.co.uk> References: <51a14417a6dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 521 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=0oiRYCztbUfm-eeIWEcA:9 a=RlfyRaN2bFs-STga3-sA:7 a=sGBPjiugltXFrn5qYOazRqQtt-cA:4 a=0Pe7pU1Xcdt7wOr3:21 a=LongzJqibxY7Bb6G:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I've just tried the latest version of OP (January 2011) on W7. Installs > and works with no problems. > As to the creation of things like the Autorun folder. These are not > created on installation, they're created as needed. For example there is > no Autorun until the Macros are saved (or until something else that > needs the folder is done). > However, this is not the problem, Dave's problem is that the program is > accessing a registry key that does not exist, and that under normal > circumstances the program is not intended to access that registry key. > On my W7, this key: > HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVers > ion\\Explorer\\Shell Folders\\AppData > exists and has a sensible value. So even if it was used it would work. There is a... 'HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Explorer\\Shell Folders' with a lot of stuff in it, including one Local AppData, but not just AppData or anything like it. So I've just created one called "AppData" and given it value data of... 'C:\Users\Dave\AppData\Roaming' and expletives abound, OvPro now works okay, as does Macros Save, and default document etc. Thanks for your assist David, Without it I would still be scratching my A***. I just need to re start the computer to make sure it stays fixed, then I'll post this. Yes indeedy, that works as it should. Dave If you have anything to add, please do. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 15:18:44 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pm6Fi-2kX000-04-DCD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:18:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pm6Fi-2kX000-04-DCD; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 15:10:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pm6Fi-2kX000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 15:10:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pm6Fa-0001nu-GH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 15:10:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 364BAD676E7; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 10:10:03 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297005003; bh=Ol5YZsXknD5WsKaKbRfFrjnvsfv52pOLWTBDtBzC OkM=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Wum6DJ0dgZilwsiaFd6TDHvVhq6MwgZmTPk9HfDZ6xx4swBgPD qANnhKKkfZePZU0UciCvOWer3KdHbrZuPG+TycSOK39sH8PgOIC2hJaZV/bhmN+vFWL 8IzDl+pkWNmop0Wk/SL3BYPmLoS4k7bgPoJnGW7CJJEkZXopHc2wlE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XmU2qh-JvU1H; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 10:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 205B6D67606; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 10:09:49 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297005001; bh=Ol5YZsXknD5WsKaKbRfFrjnvsfv52pOLWTBDtBzC OkM=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=GNXx7qpUAc1+xR+d1o01aq1PIWHuYkLQFqKBgMzLXKY+Lfujyv NP/6inqGLi+SENsrkK2c9gl0FX1Tf+JKDHvnaOKF0wyBzLIM0CD0A0cO4LSBmXVTuGE /jFMghH6mRq4lmD0tBUbScptowZW0t41doT5y9TiHQIuhR0ejqGCPk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 10:09:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE99FD6769C for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 10:09:48 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id REpdzgK8BrGs for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 10:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EAA9D67606 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 10:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Pm6FH-0000w2-YC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 15:09:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:08:38 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro windows References: <51a14417a6dave@triffid.co.uk> <51a1573ecfdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a1573ecfdave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 522 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cEAF5tloSb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dTaL7LkaWJ8dTVAW0IsA:9 a=flW5Tbsq_iDjNTuXh0IA:7 a=SuivNkWuQtTE58gMMXj5HxkI1JwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=4IxmyEwFQqkggLDH:21 a=7XB1r33Rs0FVKqQo:21 Hi, In message <51a1573ecfdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >> macrospath="> ion\\Explorer\\Shell >> Folders\\AppData>\\DavidPilling\\OvationPro\\AutoRun\\!Macros.csc"; >This does not exist. What we're looking for is HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Explorer \\Shell Folders\\AppData without the double \\'s and HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\Software\\DavidPilling\\OvationPro\\ This latter one does exist, because you sent me a copy of the registry values. I think, it's back to the scorched earth policy. We discussed above clearing out App Data, but I forgot to say also get rid of the main program stuff i.e. C:\Program Files\DavidPilling\OvationPro I don't really like all this uninstall, install, etc. presumably getting into a mess, with no idea what's gone on, what's on disc or in the registry. You mentioned "minor apps" as being the event that took place between it working and not working. Are those Windows apps, or OP applets. One problem is that if OP was working, you did nothing to OP, but changed the environment outside OP, and it then stopped working, it is unlikely that OP will start to work again, no matter how many times you install it. System restore doesn't always put everything back exactly where it was. We've made a lot of progress in the last day. It is difficult though, I have very little information here about your system. There can be things like virus checkers that are unpacking .exe files and not putting them back correctly - who knows. There's the worry that if this 'multiuser' variable we're talking about is being messed up, even if I sort that out, how do I know that other variables in the program are not being changed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 523 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cEAF5tloSb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=oKUxC8FE1Yuswmw-wRoA:9 a=GqEkd6x91408Ktu8tF8A:7 a=Zpz6LLQ_frZ1lr2lzVOPUKmI0Z0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 Dave Symes wrote: > > On one occasion I specifically did the Install from Administrator, didn't > make any difference. When you installed OP, did you right click on the .exe file it and 'Run as Administrator'? Even though you are Administrator, the above is sometimes necessary for some apps which don't behave quite as Windows 7 expects. 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Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([91.84.75.228]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p16G63Wq006859 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 16:06:03 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A6 booklet production To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:06:24 GMT Message-ID: <4f265fa151.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51a0e18a95riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51a0ee59f6riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51a0f347a4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <51a0f5598briscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a0f5598briscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 524 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_YPuHfFtGc0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=TkzJqz_xzubLKfC_x2QA:9 a=PeWe-6YB3IvTE32nTtAA:7 a=dtp_v2nZ9HrJ77h1Eq0pPwwYD8EA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=OzdoLjjEm6azngsn:21 a=3EWXC8brZZoFsdtF:21 In message <51a0f5598briscos@mdharding.org.uk> M Harding wrote: > In article <51a0f347a4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, > Chris Johnson wrote: >> In article <51a0ee59f6riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, >> M Harding wrote: >>> I've got OvPro v2.75 >> Why not upgrade to 2.77 while you are at it? > Will do. Have 2.77 and Imposit 1.02 - no submenu here either. Alan > Michael Harding > Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 16:18:46 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pm7CE-4TB000-04-CFh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 16:18:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pm7CE-4TB000-04-CFh; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:10:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pm7CE-4TB000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:10:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pm7C5-0004uy-Ce for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:10:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2691D676A2; 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Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22E30D65B59 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([91.84.75.228]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p16G9oWa006907 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 16:09:51 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A6 booklet production To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:10:03 GMT Message-ID: References: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51a0e18a95riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51a0ee59f6riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 525 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_YPuHfFtGc0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=JnoMjqCmC6zYam7mLfIA:9 a=-3_x6wghPPK-WOnzStUA:7 a=8-KL47WxGB09_trmYRaKp4pu5ZQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=V6F3BFXphDHXHMnm:21 a=AWJ1SXA9w7CEAf_9:21 In message Anthony Hilton wrote: > In message <51a0ee59f6riscos@mdharding.org.uk> > M Harding wrote: >> In article , >> Anthony Hilton wrote: >>> In message <51a0e18a95riscos@mdharding.org.uk> >>> M Harding wrote: >>>> However, I have the !Imposit applet v.1.02 installed, and >>>> although the documentation mentions ticking 'Use half-sections', >>>> I can't see that anywhere in the Printer dialogue. >>> The Print Format > Booklet has a sub-menu entry for Use >>> half-sections. You will not need it for 16 A6 pages on 2 A4 sheets >> No I shan't need it in this case. But I'm puzzled that I can't find >> the sub-menu. I've got OvPro v2.75 and !Imposit v.1.02 - might it be a >> version thing? > I have !Imposit 1.03 (which requires Opro 2.44 or later) so it might > be worth getting a copy of this version instead of 1.02 David's website lists 1.02. The other linked sites for applets don't mention Imposit. Anyone know where to find the later version? > Anthony -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 16:33:46 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pm7R5-3LR000-05-C0q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 16:33:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pm7R5-3LR000-05-C0q; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:26:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pm7R5-3LR000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:26:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pm7R0-0005fb-8P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:26:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD409D66D69; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:25:55 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297009555; bh=7Ms5clbMBYA08nMDbcWoIhuWpfx5S6H6XCIrA8mb NIs=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=jkvzmS sHdGoYMf7Fv29zHeaouo0eyfrjsLJ1ZRHTg6Fwx4dRccBBqKK90xnopt96Pa+nsBe1x HRgOb1BA0Bpt07dOOFvTD5mhptwVNkPKYh8OcjIj85LA7vyys6x6GLrHBqAMdU59cGx TTvUabOU4GOuyGo3rqvkPM3iYypfFyk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gueAlALD2Wei; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9984D667EB; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:25:41 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297009554; bh=7Ms5clbMBYA08nMDbcWoIhuWpfx5S6H6XCIrA8mb NIs=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=KYegKY kXNWSfbrzkbsgsE53ojosmG98W8bax6Qy+qBbCvnY73z+rf3HqO9BKHeD9ChaRvUhJ/ J3i/cB9nz/2CFbxZXBv0Kc5/1wycKSr+bxPWjWx4hiaujepGjBXORDHjumSqL8Swd8I tT2GXOt4bIyVXYorZ2GF+y9l3jKhhhw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 11:25:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2070D667EC for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:25:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HGE+hra8mooW for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:25:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D638D667EB for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:25:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from AMD2. ([82.152.248.192]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p16GPERw007145 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 16:25:15 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:09:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A6 booklet production Message-ID: <51a15f7269riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51a0e18a95riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51a0ee59f6riscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 526 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_YPuHfFtGc0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-S4LwUcF0JMJVqLt_OEA:9 a=zPRzGhZxiBcAwZ-umCsA:7 a=yZqlGtwU-Dyixuw_K77eAO0N9wQA:4 a=VVeUJPs2LaOGMzba:21 a=qZYQlMhX32AuV9im:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message , Anthony Hilton > writes > >I have !Imposit 1.03 (which requires Opro 2.44 or later) so it > >might be worth getting a copy of this version instead of 1.02 > Was it the case that Nick Kaijaks did an improved version of > Imposit... I eventually found a v 1.03 copy of !Imposit on Nick Kaijak's website. This makes mention of the 'half-section' option for 4-page, 12-page and 20-page booklets. I must now try it! Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 16:33:46 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pm7R8-3MDVbs-08-C0n.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 16:33:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pm7R8-3MDVbs-08-C0n; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:26:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pm7R8-3MDVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:26:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pm7R3-0001tN-30 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:26:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24718D66F76; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:25:57 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297009557; bh=KiEJ8ZF/0JyRYWZCDK1qGbmslzoOUt1wm9Jy1+1w YD8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=vTXcmn 3WlEyHTXg9J37m6xEYGv12tgybMmac+Vq2m/9xBmrODB6mcFddtrRo1czStTTJOiINT HtjJWpTkpslhMDSK3ZHqxG1//qfc/KC0ogKbRWF/Au3leN7AWk02J3q9F+8td5x1bYd iMGZ06HUYU564E8ny47P7QdqDTUb6x4= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9TriTa6gbGXw; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44BD0D6695A; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:25:42 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297009555; bh=KiEJ8ZF/0JyRYWZCDK1qGbmslzoOUt1wm9Jy1+1w YD8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=o7/yLM b9RsfMdQPvqkDN2xbUmQsX8vwRlGcQ7xqewaRdS9ZrIXDC2v2dT6jHFNvWmyXxqgfuh wZ0H+x8wzyBTIh0tEmSl33WBuSCr3yiZE2TSg11Ik0BUaH9OC285dLKcUx75d7UlD6a 2rC+sw276QrkmMM8TUm/wY3qUN9MjcE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 11:25:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17710D66949 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:25:42 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JFRFkmVfnQau for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA4AFD6695A for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 11:25:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from AMD2. ([82.152.248.192]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p16GPES0007145 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 16:25:15 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:26:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A6 booklet production Message-ID: <51a160fa63riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <14df01a151.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> References: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <2ddce5a051.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> <51a0edd3a8riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <14df01a151.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 527 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_YPuHfFtGc0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=TryNA7Wp7PrbVV0ZPaQA:9 a=SD1BCafdZNoZSjIF2vEA:7 a=HEUe1kVFfWNKCpPl1WXkI_cBT0IA:4 a=NYEL3r_b8T8PhblS:21 a=0N4DVkRB3t2cOU1j:21 In article <14df01a151.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk>, Anthony Hilton wrote: > >> In message <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> > >> M Harding wrote: > >>> A6 booklets via OvPro > >>> I've codged a complicated version in OvPro, but wonder whether > >>> there's an elegant or even simple way to produce it? > >> Second set your document page to A6 (148 x 105 mm) with the > >> margins you want and set your styles for font, type size etc (or > >> grab a copy of the OPro stylesheet > >> http://www.tinshill.f9.co.uk/ant/A6Booklet.dps and modify it as > >> you want). [ . . . ] > A typo in the file name before uploading has now been corrected. > I have also put the same file into a zip archive in case a web > browser doesn't know what to do with a .dps file > http://www.tinshill.f9.co.uk/ant/A6Booklet.zip Very useful - thank you. What's more the problem's solved! (And I did update OvPro to 2.77, by the way.) The warning from David Pilling was certainly valid: "I think however you do it, some mental effort is required to sort out the pages." I eventually discovered that for a 16-page A6 document, it's necessary in printing the reverse side (a) to do so in reverse sheet order and (b) to turn the sheets through 180 degrees. The other good news is, that when my many test sheet failures are cut into pages they are an excellent size for rough paper notes. 8-) Many thanks indeed for solving the problem. Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 17:48:49 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pm8Xz-0pFGPo-03-Atw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 17:48:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pm8Xz-0pFGPo-03-Atw; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 17:37:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pm8Xz-0pFGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 17:37:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pm8Xw-0006zb-4H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 17:37:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82C3ED66DF7; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:37:10 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297013830; bh=5vm7T+5mWYpqB452MI3PxBuDdhl8Om+2EpLFF/ac LeE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=RmGeVbt3jIB03WnyBYn6ocyTuGuAUeSOKNZ2Vysrcp0dyK/9Or p/I0diveH6J7CvcpAQVyNyp40ShgT5NrHBiqR/ng+Nsn0quZwa231BsqcUe3Y1Rv7YM +nJ6/Hnf2pviFuntY6d7JVZ54hEhk1ipSog5f6NdQF7Rry3EOjt+a4= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o85k1cm97zRn; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:37:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA1AFD668C6; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:36:56 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297013829; bh=5vm7T+5mWYpqB452MI3PxBuDdhl8Om+2EpLFF/ac LeE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=wXIDHO8DQvlCN1b8AMoE7fegSLFZXvI3RFzZ6ALrXIuvZtRCJK HpROcd9PrQ7/SC61YIbc+a6D9P/JIvuh7ZXY5/rWT9/SWORSVUf5m5+O1DdsogS8lVA f/Y4S3j8ahymP2zj5h7X3+5NassC7Xq8/WIacMihUsr70WvTzz5jL4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 12:36:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F7CDD66A34 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:36:56 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KzxgTdHU7skZ for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D423D668C6 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Pm8Xf-00060G-jN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 17:36:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 17:35:20 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A6 booklet production References: <51a0daf646riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51a0e18a95riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51a0ee59f6riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 528 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_YPuHfFtGc0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GnT6G1lE6cud2N4Usz4A:9 a=zVq4e0oHhOooVHc21_kA:7 a=oXgoCy_m-AKQnlEuZSSBn8dXTJEA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=6EUU5GjiSynKgpaV:21 a=R-6bLnvalAiniuHP:21 HI, In message , Alan Adams writes >David's website lists 1.02. The other linked sites for applets don't >mention Imposit. Anyone know where to find the later version? On your OP CD at: CD/Others/Kaijaks/Applets/Imposit If Nick's website still features it, then presumably that is better because it is more recent. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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I read my code the wrong way around earlier today. All that stuff about 'multiuser' having mysteriously got the wrong value was total nonsense. What I should have said was that the key: must exist, and from your last posting you didn't have it. The conclusion is that your changes yesterday removed this registry key, and system restore didn't put it back. I'd also expect some other software to depend on its existence. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 18:18:49 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pm91D-36Oknw-04-AQi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:18:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pm91D-36Oknw-04-AQi; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 18:07:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pm91D-36Oknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 18:07:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pm913-0007QD-9m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 18:07:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36437D66AA1; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:07:14 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297015634; bh=4xx/xREoZSZlEeKNu+afuN3UlzyVSY0sgNBSX9j4 2VI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=p7c6y5 IBUsBdpzMZMqGMzd3n+a0G8Zsr5vezmVxG3nzc4ixA7ZRjyR03jY/Rpdemlp4HWlUqq 8UN3qo+ooJk/xHSxQqpxuS5KZqge1tvH616jKCioO7H1NjH+sdiSH5O/8JXCZ8maxNS xbBZhlfUOLUAjhmv8Oz/+b2yCJFL7S0= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vLwnCcwg4VlP; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:07:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4F78D63180; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:06:59 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297015633; bh=4xx/xREoZSZlEeKNu+afuN3UlzyVSY0sgNBSX9j4 2VI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=qE4qfk FM/aRILgqmQk+ZkxwHrrDlBOk5mko4p5JT6LtPM7d1TtRh1EiTd8ErtcEjYsTxej8ac aBZFc5DG7A+Of8IrTzoHgEQXfmQz4lvuoczHEU0UXRjEsb+Gq3/0zjc2yRx+xr2cr5e P7LjHB5ERbn6INTNHj3jkXAZtx8kPxI= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 13:06:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D137D66A52 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:06:59 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Q1wxCTfWdXS for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F378D63180 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:06:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.181.99]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p16I6VpW008739 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:06:31 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 18:01:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro windows Message-ID: <51a169a4a6dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51a14417a6dave@triffid.co.uk> <25c24ba151.chris@o2.co.uk> <51a15509c0dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 530 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cEAF5tloSb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Urs7Lyw6AAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dQyqZQ5mtufJoywQutQA:9 a=8ECGNdkMldjAKycOyxgA:7 a=OyJOjDzui7K1rfn7MkF5gcAqlUQA:4 a=bzKVVdKtbjEA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 In article , Ray Dawson wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > > On one occasion I specifically did the Install from Administrator, > > didn't make any difference. > When you installed OP, did you right click on the .exe file it and 'Run > as Administrator'? > Even though you are Administrator, the above is sometimes necessary for > some apps which don't behave quite as Windows 7 expects. > Cheers, > Ray D Oh yes, on Win 7 that's usually my first port of call, and then if required, compatibilty mode as XP SP3. That said, I've now switched compatibility XP SP3 off, as OvPro is working okay now. 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Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:07:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.181.99]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p16I6VpY008739 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:06:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 18:06:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro windows Message-ID: <51a16a2b8cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51a14417a6dave@triffid.co.uk> <51a1573ecfdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 531 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cEAF5tloSb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=c9PHntDvWmA7MLbRE5MA:9 a=vk3luNomk8d3Hetaaq0A:7 a=NW7dD-3exhORTlywlH7a1VkCwZoA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=DN6f8mUpFNe3a7ws:21 a=dr--CbL5pz6kTn6F:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <51a1573ecfdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >> macrospath=" >> ion\\Explorer\\Shell > >> Folders\\AppData>\\DavidPilling\\OvationPro\\AutoRun\\!Macros.csc"; > >This does not exist. > What we're looking for is > HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Explorer > \\Shell Folders\\AppData > without the double \\'s > and > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\Software\\DavidPilling\\OvationPro\\ > This latter one does exist, because you sent me a copy of the registry > values. > I think, it's back to the scorched earth policy. We discussed above > clearing out App Data, but I forgot to say also get rid of the main > program stuff i.e. > C:\Program Files\DavidPilling\OvationPro > I don't really like all this uninstall, install, etc. presumably getting > into a mess, with no idea what's gone on, what's on disc or in the > registry. > You mentioned "minor apps" as being the event that took place between it > working and not working. Are those Windows apps, or OP applets. > One problem is that if OP was working, you did nothing to OP, but > changed the environment outside OP, and it then stopped working, it is > unlikely that OP will start to work again, no matter how many times you > install it. > System restore doesn't always put everything back exactly where it was. > We've made a lot of progress in the last day. It is difficult though, I > have very little information here about your system. There can be things > like virus checkers that are unpacking .exe files and not putting them > back correctly - who knows. > There's the worry that if this 'multiuser' variable we're talking about > is being messed up, even if I sort that out, how do I know that other > variables in the program are not being changed. Sorry David, I've had folks visiting, so have been away from the machines for a while... Your above posting must have passed my upline to you about the resolution of the problem. (15:06) Do you have anything to add? Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 18:33:50 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pm9DW-1w9GPo-08-AEP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:33:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pm9DW-1w9GPo-08-AEP; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 18:20:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pm9DW-1w9GPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 18:20:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pm9DS-0003zS-8P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 18:20:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F7B9D66BF0; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:20:04 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297016404; bh=rBp4TpA9qoCQA9Tv7YoBL+zsSWHijNwXFivv9MWy Bq0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=nbu6iy pESGRwVnN9Sb6gFRiN7pubNz6zNu7VBzci153TNfGfXWzQclvuq6laBfXYPigtdFHPh /OVXtFMjAH/e6f9tm6B52kxcffnI1F5Y8wn9xqaNFv9+BoP/6lnUfP9s1q80sHGk6Qi WgvhxFBRlghWUv85d2OQ8zXdOGpSmtI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VRRTSzIAlUpd; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:20:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64981D66A58; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:19:50 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297016403; bh=rBp4TpA9qoCQA9Tv7YoBL+zsSWHijNwXFivv9MWy Bq0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=vdRX6T GbWcX1yfz4ZCHVJYRxO5QaU8CEXpVNzvEu7fTyZz2HsSkkzGImPNbk/7IIAuT+NS1/Y bOKXMWJ9DkJy8VwZE5lfDaPywS4P6oE6GiAVyEfdtTmr9TPufnhzpvI5K8sIElZsuts bFAmsIpSnel266KNP6qkMNvJxavUjVE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 13:19:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C184D66B00 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:19:50 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kl49x18jxKf6 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:19:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD330D66A58 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 13:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.181.99]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p16IJMcx008927 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 18:19:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 18:19:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ov Pro windows Message-ID: <51a16b5911dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51a14417a6dave@triffid.co.uk> <51a1599f6cdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 532 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cEAF5tloSb0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ptWPSlQOMfTk5XxuEIEA:9 a=erDNd3XycHTAyktmQWkA:7 a=bAhnA-EDO0XZHsvOVzkIvGdB-UsA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=ggy_QgLEBVTIEb6y:21 a=rJnTIFOSfX8f9b3R:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <51a1599f6cdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >If you have anything to add, please do. > I read my code the wrong way around earlier today. All that stuff about > 'multiuser' having mysteriously got the wrong value was total nonsense. > What I should have said was that the key: > r\\Shell Folders\\AppData> > must exist, and from your last posting you didn't have it. The > conclusion is that your changes yesterday removed this registry key, and > system restore didn't put it back. I'd also expect some other software > to depend on its existence. Forget my last short reply after visitors left... All the apps I updated were of the Windows variety, and the only biggy was something called PowerDesk Pro which is a sophisticated replacement for Windows Explorer and much more, so possibly during its auto uninstall before auto installing the new version, I'd had something open, or in use when it was removed. Anyway after manually creating the AppData key all is now well with OvPro, including unhooking it from compatibility XP SP3. All other Pilling things have been re-installed. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 20:03:53 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PmAeW-4VFknw-05-8nP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 20:03:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PmAeW-4VFknw-05-8nP; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 19:52:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PmAeW-4VFknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 19:52:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PmAeS-0005Jm-RX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 19:52:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DE08D67134; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:52:02 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297021922; bh=d+cIhR8RUx7ddvMRHhstVz4ZYqt2ctaRRf0iJQX/ N6A=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=dk5hoUd2jfLzxqtS1wMUcCkr8aEsr EJjzti7WX/uw+Vpt9MtJr4xL3GerU6hR15nZRapLzBjOrnG+DH5qo/TwGCp4TngQ9iz E93zlULGXA+fLtqDn3anS+WzItMol238DH8K/u36J+JLqi21YgilwlYhOQfTnx+tVis Wlg0Yqjg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dMJaTHsAEfwW; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:52:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02CBDD66CFB; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:51:47 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297021921; bh=d+cIhR8RUx7ddvMRHhstVz4ZYqt2ctaRRf0iJQX/ N6A=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=FNO1KGb5V0cVXSksG7Lh2sD4X8N6k PzM3v1/VbMjFQ/7bdYKAddjeMROZyYkVe52HQUvuWbep9NRKrhBJ5WMSvftSZXBOQrd EsYUTsc0aAhPjKRODBKhr9pIFZFGDpIBFXJycEIv6ffkAPyRqtds9jblfpuumjbwdfo j4sQRHDk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 14:51:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE0E3D670CF for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:51:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3PZ0jLCgN3b8 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40704D66CFB for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.181.99]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p16JpGpk010439 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 19:51:17 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 19:51:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] RISC OS OvPro question Message-ID: <51a173c352dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 533 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=06hoqNMhLYAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DnnzHeJkpv09pX6sTXMA:9 a=n-PdunGpIwvA83mcatYA:7 a=fuvuN2_HojfKCGMUDJ_rM4QXhaYA:4 I don't use a Thesaurus, but Fay does so... I have the "T" button on the OvPro tool bar, Mr P's Desktop Thesaurus is, and has been installed for years, how do I arrange it so that when she clicks the "T" button, up pops the Desktop Thesaurus? Thanks on her behalf. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 6 20:03:54 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PmAiB-1uZGPo-02-8jk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 20:03:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PmAiB-1uZGPo-02-8jk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 19:55:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PmAiB-1uZGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 19:55:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PmAi7-0004VG-MK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2011 19:55:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 998D4D66F9C; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:55:49 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297022149; bh=OWoy+G/m/LDodkDtjfO4V24Hz9Y0BSoRLMB10zhk U0I=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=cqhEoIToau1ulrCWBMGmdKkZm3k3d7sYNa9k2OJwK6Z6k+Nhrb kg8qxmrWIXMBaoZQIuBE/jQ8V7Sv6iAl/1vzsVEn/kiBB+Uj4dpvMbYzOO1MKQ3wGZ0 vENaKe9dhXs5kZOQo2MvJ/hWPCfnzPVme57/ZkBpjcVg6yzDIB3Q0Y= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f-8pcamJxjwH; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D1B1D66F39; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:55:35 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1297022148; bh=OWoy+G/m/LDodkDtjfO4V24Hz9Y0BSoRLMB10zhk U0I=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=iauDs4umPX6r5FZqeJBh/qeyK+9cCei8rs+GY9A7OzMS2t/0QG ZIrEc5rnKIFLLbYmdQOMK9JCwuMOSTnW5oK2pUWMOx2WGFG4feuLQfx42i6pQjIZdOt RRZZkZiMNmbS9Bxjc9xpA70FRDwnrAeV2Q51kEflPt3nP6AqJ1TdJY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Feb 2011 14:55:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35484D66F6A for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:55:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BWzEkPnLgECA for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBC6ED66F39 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 14:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-201-97.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.201.97]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p16Jt7Tr010499 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2011 19:55:08 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RISC OS OvPro question To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2011 19:55:26 GMT Message-ID: <3b1e74a151.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <51a173c352dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51a173c352dave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 534 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=aeE7vVLV3MoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=FPpAqs8VAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=jWFb9tATD7aV5dx8B68A:9 a=nU0WRbuC26XUUazDOPsA:7 a=6tgM9p00eg26i9fCss8j7EpRTzEA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=cXyJP3dajKoA:10 a=fmJ28Ywq4RglScJw:21 a=RmJSRfzHzjzCzYWy:21 On 6 Feb 2011 Dave Symes wrote: > I don't use a Thesaurus, but Fay does so... > I have the "T" button on the OvPro tool bar, Mr P's Desktop Thesaurus is, > and has been installed for years, how do I arrange it so that when she > clicks the "T" button, up pops the Desktop Thesaurus? Do you have Thesaurus on the icon bar? This is how it is here, and the "T" button does the business when a word has the caret in an OPro window. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. 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I have the "T" button on > > the OvPro tool bar, Mr P's Desktop Thesaurus is, and has been > > installed for years, how do I arrange it so that when she clicks the > > "T" button, up pops the Desktop Thesaurus? > Do you have Thesaurus on the icon bar? This is how it is here, and the > "T" button does the business when a word has the caret in an OPro > window. > With best wishes, > Peter. Yes of course... Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 22 18:34:19 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Prx1x-1wU000-08-GyA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:34:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Prx1x-1wU000-08-GyA; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:32:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Prx1x-1wU000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:32:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Prx1w-00001r-DN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:32:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4735D69A24; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:32:11 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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You are a great and wonderful nation and what we see on out TVs is painful and makes us weep for you, Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 22 18:49:19 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PrxBt-4f3knw-04-GoE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:49:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PrxBt-4f3knw-04-GoE; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:42:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PrxBt-4f3knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:42:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PrxBp-0002ah-RN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:42:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DA4ED69A67; 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Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from freeuk-outbound-smtp02.mail.eu.clara.net (freeuk-outbound-smtp02.mail.eu.clara.net [195.8.64.19]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA278D699F9 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ludo.freeuk.net ([212.126.144.9]:1844) by relay02.mail.eu.clara.net (relay.freeuk.com [213.253.3.42]:1225) with esmtp id 1PrxBX-0002ZS-7H for davidpilling@freelists.org (return-path ); Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:42:07 +0000 Received: from ludo.freeuk.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ludo.freeuk.net (8.13.3/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p1MIg7fb045822 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:42:07 GMT (envelope-from bonytaker@freeuk.com) Received: (from claranet@localhost) by ludo.freeuk.net (8.13.3/8.12.11/Submit) id p1MIg6KG045821; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:42:06 GMT (envelope-from bonytaker@freeuk.com) Message-Id: <201102221842.p1MIg6KG045821@ludo.freeuk.net> X-Authentication-Warning: ludo.freeuk.net: claranet set sender to bonytaker@freeuk.com using -f References: <4460a8a951.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4460a8a951.alan@ntlworld.com> From: "Anthony Baker" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New Zealand Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:42:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Remote_Addr: 86.5.151.161 X-archive-position: 537 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bonytaker@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2Km7XT56B52v-4lAbBsA:9 a=gULHsz5DSNKtXP1blTYA:7 a=s1F10DWRFZkkVwPP1kw2zr0quzAA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Dr Alan Leighton writes: > We have many RISCOS users in NZ so I want to say any one of our > friends who read this our thoughts and prayers are with you. You are a > great and wonderful nation and what we see on out TVs is painful and > makes us weep for you, > > Alan > > -- > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling I would like to add my thoughts to those Alan. God Bless and Preserve you. 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Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p1MJ1tv5009343 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:55 -0500 Received: from tord@mindless.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id 3.ddf.15457e85 (43985) for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.142]) by cia-dd05.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD052-5c5a4d64081c1da; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:51 -0500 Received: from web-mmc-d05 (web-mmc-d05.sim.aol.com [205.188.103.95]) by smtprly-ma03.mx.aol.com (v129.9) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA038-5c5a4d64081c1da; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:48 -0500 References: <4460a8a951.alan@ntlworld.com> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New Zealand Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 14:01:48 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 85.228.99.103 In-Reply-To: <4460a8a951.alan@ntlworld.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tord X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 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charset="us-ascii" I just sits here worried about a lot of friends over there - planned to= go there in 2012, and maybe settle there as well! All the best, Tord & Ann-Christine. Sweden =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Dr Alan Leighton To: croug-list@riscository.co.uk; archive-online@orpheusinternet.co.uk; ar= chive-online@orpheusinternet.co.uk; iyonix-support@freelists.org; davidpil= ling@freelists.org Sent: Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:15 pm Subject: [softwarelist] New Zealand We have many RISCOS users in NZ so I want to say any one of our=20 friends who read this our thoughts and prayers are with you. You are a=20 great and wonderful nation and what we see on out TVs is painful and=20 makes us weep for you, Alan --=20 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilli= ng =20 ----------MB_8CDA0DA172AE5EC_1D6C_2FB86_web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I just sits here worried= about a lot of friends over there - planned to go there in 2012,= and maybe settle there as well!

All the best,

Tord & Ann-Christine.
Sweden



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nt to say any one of our 
friends who read this our thoughts and prayers are with you. You are a great and wonderful nation and what we see on out TVs is painful and
makes us weep for you,

Alan

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----------MB_8CDA0DA172AE5EC_1D6C_2FB86_web-mmc-d05.sysops.aol.com-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 22 20:04:21 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PryQu-1ymknw-08-FZD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:04:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PryQu-1ymknw-08-FZD; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:02:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PryQu-1ymknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:02:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PryQn-0001N6-25 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:02:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3ED2AD69CD8; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:01:54 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1298404914; bh=FW3gD54hHgTj98kHOX6F8ZqmCLWry0/kKZR9s7b5 DNE=; h=To:Cc:Date:Mime-Version:From:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=C9Z6vdQeXiB2fsvecxwTasCjJhsAodFsZTuVfUorNpc4xWS6AI rU7HVoNDsF6XjbdP8XAGp1zUWqD1Iwwf0LRPUMzVSeyPcxWMt0Nf8AT60dEQgdgF1RH xIZ5mDWuuAjPa+Yu8KZ4HZYPCrBqE/C2ETeTnZlJk1GUtEj6uOEz40= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MtLDp0RG3htj; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16745D6907E; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:01:40 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1298404912; bh=FW3gD54hHgTj98kHOX6F8ZqmCLWry0/kKZR9s7b5 DNE=; h=To:Cc:Date:Mime-Version:From:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=k98bBvEYNcIpmj5ZIuG9WHl237P4xcwDmCgPxnsajrrwM0KV6m YiW5/9GxPpl9+sam3GbJz8KdEy8WtBhtwDbgIb0sakt14bLqIb8nqy9TAkNP9kdONNv pKb2MS5Y+nKXZLmAlDjnMFHNgQ1N/E+etEtBfWn9bvTNVMBPqTxB5U= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:01:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DADD0D69BA8 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:01:39 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OKVN4wq70365 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from imail1.digiweb.net.nz (imail1.digiweb.net.nz [202.174.112.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7EB0D6907E for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from 202.174.112.8 [202.174.112.8] by imail1.digiweb.net.nz with ESMTP (SMTPD-11.01) id eb4500253b6d7879; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:01:29 +1300 To: Cc: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:01:29 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Nobilangelo" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New Zealand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201102230901682.SM2440045@[202.174.112.8]> X-archive-position: 539 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Nobilangelo@ceramalus.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=fEY4sCKbAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=0lxESAEcAAAA:8 a=u5KZqSEpAAAA:8 a=UnZnBQEHoEAeo8LPuskA:9 a=NaOAmi3mJde3MjlhBYAA:7 a=vHQpQwD-lOnlivQbtSIIVNnzRuEA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=lxlYhjzumwsA:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=MHrabiG86PcA:10 a=CrdbFP1tMs0A:10 a=AX1cCD32na_zFU1q:21 a=KEsIBxZczm9GAZat:21 As a New Zealander on this list, thank you very much for your thoughts and = prayers. This is a tough time for a small country, so messages like yours = are very much appreciated. I live on Waiheke Island, near Auckland, 800km north of Christchurch, so = there has been no physical effect on me, but I have been glued to National = Radio's traumatic non-stop coverage. Bodies in the streets of one of our = biggest cities is deeply affecting. It so happens that my email ISP is in Christchurch, but as this message = shows it is still working. Thank you again, very much, for your messages and prayers. -- Nobilangelo Ceramalus. -----Original Message----- From: Tord tord=40mindless.com Sent 2/23/2011 8:01:48 AM To: davidpilling=40freelists.org Subject: =5Bsoftwarelist=5D Re: New Zealand I just sits here worried about a lot of friends over there - planned to = go there in 2012, and maybe settle there as well=21 All the best, Tord Ann-Christine. Sweden -----Original Message----- From: Dr Alan Leighton alan.leighton2=40ntlworld.com To: croug-list=40riscository.co.uk; = archive-online=40orpheusinternet.co.uk; = archive-online=40orpheusinternet.co.uk; iyonix-support=40freelists.org; = davidpilling=40freelists.org Sent: Tue, Feb 22, 2011 7:15 pm Subject: =5Bsoftwarelist=5D New Zealand We have many RISCOS users in NZ so I want to say any one of our=20 friends who read this our thoughts and prayers are with you. You are a=20 great and wonderful nation and what we see on out TVs is painful and=20 makes us weep for you, Alan --=20 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling = To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 23 12:05:56 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ps1DE-0e2GPo-06-Cmt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:05:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ps1DE-0e2GPo-06-Cmt; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:00:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ps1DE-0e2GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:00:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ps1DB-00068x-2o for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:00:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C055D69A13; 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Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A77DD698E7; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.144] (helo=anti-virus03-07) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ps1Cq-0006D0-My; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:59:44 +0000 Received: from [77.102.179.33] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ps1CM-0003Qn-C6; Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:59:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: croug-list@riscository.co.uk, archive-online@orpheusinternet.co.uk, archive-online@orpheusinternet.co.uk, iyonix-support@freelists.org, davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:56:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New Zealand Message-ID: <51a9c207d8john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <51a9c07e00Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> References: <4460a8a951.alan@ntlworld.com> <51a9c07e00Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 540 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=u5KZqSEpAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=16BsBa29AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qdIOnwXGpcmRwIrIsd8A:9 a=bn6aNVaiXBnApOHZgrkA:7 a=gsxs7X90hz6t4iiubvSpbqaNUbUA:4 a=CrdbFP1tMs0A:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=lV4pEmzLiZcd8pfi:21 a=AoTV81EnAa7dLVVt:21 In article <51a9c07e00Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk>, lists wrote: > In article <4460a8a951.alan@ntlworld.com>, > Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > Another slap on the wrist for you Alan: Oh dear! I *knew* I was right to portray my Alan character (in my forthcoming novel), modelled loosely on Dr Leighton, as "a lovely fellow, but technically inept" ;-) -- ... Love and wishes for God's Blessings to you, from ... John M Ward -- God loves you and so do I! <>< Adherent of the Salvation Army's Chatham Corps See the Corps' website at: www.chathamsa.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 23 12:35:50 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PsDiJ-2nq000-07-8oK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:35:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PsDiJ-2nq000-07-8oK; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:21:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PsDiJ-2nq000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:21:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PsDiH-0002BD-1x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:21:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2238D6A738; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 07:20:59 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1298463660; bh=OmiqX7usuxO1ltdaxi3SKgJsY3U2KHNyqm46r5U7 Qyk=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=P/pPmHK5EzCRtUVGQksHJGqykqcCmb0duxXE8/Y8Dc5CzHS4zy qk7j+81262mnaM1/WG4+c1fSUYRFx7ApoWARW3bcarv8AZF0L0h4U/7WFoMuZC82j/o e3fLYEfVBj7om0GtSrRRczGoBchOJQfoovM0TCn/s8bb3MnP2lQ4Kg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LoHhARBb9Bse; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 07:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1415DD6A70B; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 07:20:46 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1298463658; bh=OmiqX7usuxO1ltdaxi3SKgJsY3U2KHNyqm46r5U7 Qyk=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=tTpz41CBf3e/BH0ffNlE0yRVW964iVKMc0VGjGPAyPxrhpuaPe kDSomW5OBb4j9aZYUxN2ZWRZWc0mWJJvhua2ZLWq3yjsx+qQCMv79A8O/cItrIrDYXV 4miV1khgdyLjBWOAjK6/q4l6wQ0udgd8YsWs0yZ7YtRChCP0bODegQ= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 23 Feb 2011 07:20:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4B39D6A26D for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 07:20:45 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EpXyig9x6xwd for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 07:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 965CED6A730 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 07:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PsDhw-0000jB-ov for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:20:40 +0000 Message-ID: <2HhdIaBZtPZNFwRV@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:19:37 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New Zealand References: <4460a8a951.alan@ntlworld.com> <51a9c07e00Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <51a9c207d8john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <51a9c207d8john@acornusers.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 541 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5YwgZyGb8Iy9NZS62qYA:9 a=0EfZ91bxdRiws6yJQc0A:7 a=Ox6roubJk1oZ7GLGWC0RYVmDD0YA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 a=yNtOfrDAXU0iaI9-:21 a=rzWgfZF1DOBJq4Dp:21 In message <51a9c207d8john@acornusers.org>, John M Ward writes >Oh dear! I *knew* I was right to portray my Alan character (in my >forthcoming novel), modelled loosely on Dr Leighton I think Alan is a revolutionary, a mould breaker, trying things that others lack the imagination to. Why can't you post messages across lists, why if you're allowed to post to one Acorn list can't you post to all of them. Anyway, because of people hitting reply to messages with a cc list, or posting from non-subscribed address there have been a lot of bounces from this list containing expressions of sympathy for events in NZ. I hope you don't mind me not re-posting the bounces, and that I can summarise by saying we're all sorry about the earthquake and feel for the victims and their loved ones. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Thu, 24 Feb 2011 01:22:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxi2.callplus.net.nz (mx194.callplus.net.nz [202.180.66.194]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7926FD6A9EA for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 01:22:56 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlgBABOIZU18xSsy/2dsb2JhbACJco1gP44NdLxChV4E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,215,1296990000"; d="scan'208";a="174317254" Received: from 124-197-43-50.callplus.net.nz (HELO Notebook2) ([124.197.43.50]) by ismtp02.callplus.net.nz with SMTP; 24 Feb 2011 19:22:54 +1300 Message-ID: From: "Dan McCarthy" To: References: <4460a8a951.alan@ntlworld.com> <51a9c07e00Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> <51a9c207d8john@acornusers.org> <2HhdIaBZtPZNFwRV@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New Zealand Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:22:52 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-archive-position: 542 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: danmccat@slingshot.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LrOe-ihMAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=qX-5XnJnfbowl-auxCIA:9 a=UJ1aReDRgH6LWCaFO4EA:7 a=-WznIBrz0IXS8eS16Z4GoaLweqYA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=qjnnYxWtun0A:10 a=4ku1MypebslPbRcx:21 a=A1wGGiduMKDb3WES:21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 1:19 AM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: New Zealand > In message <51a9c207d8john@acornusers.org>, John M Ward > writes >>Oh dear! I *knew* I was right to portray my Alan character (in my >>forthcoming novel), modelled loosely on Dr Leighton > > I think Alan is a revolutionary, a mould breaker, trying things that > others lack the imagination to. Why can't you post messages across lists, > why if you're allowed to post to one Acorn list can't you post to all of > them. > > Anyway, because of people hitting reply to messages with a cc list, or > posting from non-subscribed address there have been a lot of bounces from > this list containing expressions of sympathy for events in NZ. > > I hope you don't mind me not re-posting the bounces, and that I can > summarise by saying we're all sorry about the earthquake and feel for the > victims and their loved ones. > > > > -- > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: > http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 2 21:51:55 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Putrf-1Avknw-07-D9I.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 21:51:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Putrf-1Avknw-07-D9I; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 21:45:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Putrf-1Avknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 21:45:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PutrY-0007bB-1A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 21:45:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9860BDAA520; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:45:38 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299102338; bh=7/4zT5fI/0g0dPo3iGSkLlX0OY5hb/DBBxoP0cka O2w=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=XB9+3He1x+jNSQC8ar/Op99cfwKCZ aXxKdEqsrz/iURoFYfzdxQLnlAPWHx7xOLy1h6RoG1nehvOKLa5EbRVMTr1RAlg2Cr/ pHZUgOTN5/cx3NSQgEhmheVUcDd7aOsxRRPRi2c9AUiu1I3lhOYcjuza3Qkol+Zlj5X WGqZGZ5A= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zvfUi4yRYBTT; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:45:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4B8EDAA482; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:45:24 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299102337; bh=7/4zT5fI/0g0dPo3iGSkLlX0OY5hb/DBBxoP0cka O2w=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=nZppelNg7K0ArQXwViC5PKSaeUtqX 5YmWQ5/+wx/OhEYJxwLH7q242bx8/0nt/KdHqFl84N1qU9+70pXnryKLeNhGRoEOvA4 i3ySQa+dW79S82TTjiF2y3SJgug6NcWNU00ixTa+R5DfrUHIUTAAcz20LB031Oxeryp pJ9bN/Y8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:45:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA025DAA4B9 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:45:24 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0H5BRy09mn77 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:45:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4233CDAA482 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PutrG-0001WG-WP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 21:45:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 21:43:46 +0000 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Beagle, JPEG, Ovation Pro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 543 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, I am told that loading a JPEG into Ovation Pro on Beagle, then rotating it, results in a corrupt display. The thing about this is that OP is rendering the JPEG to a sprite before plotting it transformed. There are other things which lead to this and also go wrong e.g. applying image processing. But rotation is the one I have chosen to look at. Investigation shows that, OP uses the JPEG Info SWI to find the pixel size of the JPEG image, and it gets values which are humongous. Turning off address exceptions allows things to work. That seems an interesting observation to me, since there is no sign of an address exception error. My next move is to write a bit of Basic to check if the SWI works properly - I can't believe it doesn't. I'd be interested if anyone with a Beagle can confirm the behaviour, and of course it would be great if someone knows the answer. Writing this, ideas spring to mind, like do I trap any error from the JPEG swi. I have a worry about the JPEG being loaded on a word boundary. To put it another way, there's a problem, and a fix will be coming up. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 2 23:06:57 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Puv5G-28Xknw-08-Bvh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 23:06:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Puv5G-28Xknw-08-Bvh; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:03:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Puv5G-28Xknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:03:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Puv59-0002BB-Hz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:03:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E206DAA557; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:03:45 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299107025; bh=Nw6gUaktDvggGFpvEfztLRtR16dNN9KrM9gMTYz1 QmM=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=fvJRoeOo/+rfQyDjE9lGHBV8AVNJ2F1WOjY+dImuBCX4uLg0OY 3sg8d48FSBV9pKGAzOu3CAI7WgxvIuwaLe7dKVkWYaw75j3mpSoVLLDI7057KIht+d/ IQjyn2L7aYUCQkjj0C0DbZ93ccT+DtpPG5tTX/UJlM7ceSXlHZg39M= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sE1BjL3odTEm; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66DC4DAA545; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:03:31 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299107024; bh=Nw6gUaktDvggGFpvEfztLRtR16dNN9KrM9gMTYz1 QmM=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=AI6+oGiV6WyqDksUboPskhbA3AHtYnZDZQLa6hq8t9bbMMVxop wqf6Ssdje5aoV+darpzyOVxgAd2lChQTr9ZV7qj7ZXiiP/GAWa8JzeeRPBcD1OJZmOH S3emUZTJjEDqyZzTFAyYSoUaPXdAXYnf46yXfYph9wO98k+eXKAnAE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 02 Mar 2011 18:03:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37886DAA546 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:03:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3LuYou+M4Qda for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:03:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46511DAA545 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:03:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5135 invoked by uid 89); 2 Mar 2011 23:03:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 2 Mar 2011 23:03:12 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Beagle, JPEG, Ovation Pro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 06:55:08 +0800 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 544 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message David Pilling wrote: Hello David, We found that rotated images resulted in a number of problems when sending our books to the printer. We use an Iyonix (various versions of the operating system as it was updated) and OPro (ditto). The resultant PDF output had very badly pixellated (corrupted) images where rotation in OPro had occurred. In some cases the resultant corrupt images failed to display when printed. In others part of the image was pixellated beyond recognition in the whole image and some in cases only part of the image. If we rotate the image using ChangeFSI before dropping into OPro then there are no problems. Output PDF's are fine and our printer (the firm) produces perfect pages. It is obvious there is a problem with an image when the 'printer' (driver to file with PDF output) takes an inordinate amount of time to produce the page. We also find that images need to be less than 1mb if dropped into OPro or problems occur. When there are several images on the one page they must be reduced in size (to kbs) or the page takes an age to print or fails due to memory 'overload' Regards Ross > Hi, > I am told that loading a JPEG into Ovation Pro on Beagle, then rotating > it, results in a corrupt display. > The thing about this is that OP is rendering the JPEG to a sprite before > plotting it transformed. There are other things which lead to this and > also go wrong e.g. applying image processing. But rotation is the one I > have chosen to look at. > Investigation shows that, OP uses the JPEG Info SWI to find the pixel > size of the JPEG image, and it gets values which are humongous. > Turning off address exceptions allows things to work. That seems an > interesting observation to me, since there is no sign of an address > exception error. > My next move is to write a bit of Basic to check if the SWI works > properly - I can't believe it doesn't. > I'd be interested if anyone with a Beagle can confirm the behaviour, and > of course it would be great if someone knows the answer. > Writing this, ideas spring to mind, like do I trap any error from the > JPEG swi. I have a worry about the JPEG being loaded on a word boundary. > To put it another way, there's a problem, and a fix will be coming up. -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 3 12:07:58 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PuvPf-4THknw-07-BbI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 12:07:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PuvPf-4THknw-07-BbI; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:24:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PuvPf-4THknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:24:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PuvPe-0004Y6-L1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:24:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63D31DAA031; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:24:51 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299108291; bh=SDGqFfHbV1UqMZEGjt/47TbY/64yBziSu/ANJf4X I9A=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=D4+Skx1RQI6hML0G7VoeLU5KzZtkc7ZBkCT8ou11vZSUbbZaSz xtcjcgvpWmx4zbFDQsbBpkRB5sNoPseWG1xIMFxntlfr1Hb9ndIbs+Aw1pLA2+Xx3ou /8cqfl6CAl8hxIS4weW66DrsKPlfQvZt0yfv5a0q+aHVojh0sapTzU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z3LLAOzGrwqt; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A2BADA9DFC; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:24:37 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299108290; bh=SDGqFfHbV1UqMZEGjt/47TbY/64yBziSu/ANJf4X I9A=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=OQj1ouqqzYWuT1uGXe6mROMF3l/rHnz3J/wZ2MqbOwc/xPsGCN 4UBVA0+rl9ImawzT1XRzrkUKChSH8HTnbP0ghnL0tsC/7OYgV92Odd6LxL8Xs9lbAnd qH4EH/VsBts7jtki1+QSY+L38SS+iTX6b5Ydv4W0kybU0WH7szXHOc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 02 Mar 2011 18:24:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 720E0DA9DFD for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:24:37 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R6NgFG+2NLxJ for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABF49DA9DFC for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:24:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PuvPG-0002OB-iV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:24:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 23:23:02 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Beagle, JPEG, Ovation Pro References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 545 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Ross McGuinness writes >We found that rotated images resulted in a number of problems when >sending our books to the printer. We use an Iyonix (various versions >of the operating system as it was updated) and OPro (ditto). Yes, but that is just the old "Acorn PostScript printer drivers are a horror story" thing. I suspect if you used Martin Wuerthner's PS level 3 driver everything would be OK. >If we rotate the image using ChangeFSI before dropping into OPro then >there are no problems. What format do you then save the images in? As I've said here many times before there is a catalogue of nightmares with the Acorn drivers - but you may steer a path through them, if you pick the right formats. Off hand I am not sure if OP renders to a sprite with a mask, it could well do that, and printing sprites with a mask will cause no end of trouble. Anyway, all this is nothing to do with the Beagle problem, the solution to your problem is the decent driver Martin has produced. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. 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We use an Iyonix (various versions >>of the operating system as it was updated) and OPro (ditto). > Yes, but that is just the old "Acorn PostScript printer drivers are a > horror story" thing. I suspect if you used Martin Wuerthner's PS level 3 > driver everything would be OK. >>If we rotate the image using ChangeFSI before dropping into OPro then >>there are no problems. > What format do you then save the images in? Still as jpegs and we have also tried PS3. I've just tried to print two pages each with a jpeg on them. Left unrotated they print fine. Once I rotated one image the printer (PS2) comes back with a 'not enough memory' message. PS3 does the same but continues to print the page with the unrotated image- this is a 539,248 byte file that displays a blank page. > As I've said here many times before there is a catalogue of nightmares > with the Acorn drivers - but you may steer a path through them, if you > pick the right formats. Off hand I am not sure if OP renders to a sprite > with a mask, it could well do that, and printing sprites with a mask > will cause no end of trouble. > Anyway, all this is nothing to do with the Beagle problem, the solution > to your problem is the decent driver Martin has produced. -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 3 12:37:56 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pv7ch-3HIVbs-07-GRI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 12:37:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pv7ch-3HIVbs-07-GRI; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:27:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pv7ch-3HIVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:27:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pv7ca-0003jQ-Ep for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:27:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A066DAA96D; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 07:27:06 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299155226; bh=sCVQ2ncECSNnvr1xFC0T/UQ5HdPI6AHsgC1FmKSY wco=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=MdsDMwK9LYC4tjxa6K3BjWYGqLhhG4h9VHL7Q0pp0p8qjtBm+e 6RdyK5sT9OsZ48ETIKehZ4iIb+mHRCDVEYLKoiy2fQCTAei4k0D8U6ukM9hPxZdSyDG ol0+cEu1bt+ac0ZI0JZHwR/11NgZJvQyLFLJBw3r8WOBs80GIC+R0c= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gD11KC0kP0HI; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 07:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A925DAA96E; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 07:26:52 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299155225; bh=sCVQ2ncECSNnvr1xFC0T/UQ5HdPI6AHsgC1FmKSY wco=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Qm1/bjnboS1G2AFYA9mdXRhpk1FvSr82G9Y62jBMJaEnKCdeTZ NQljLuVSRlUEWkFxwR0mFj2/TSofdbIs69uDX7GjxbsjjAuAaAQCal1eqchij0bfNGb yNhgmQXdp/AwmdK9Y4JlDUZm7C+eilIskJxHaH9TAxzwtwRWYmhCTM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 03 Mar 2011 07:26:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4021CDAA96A for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 07:26:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hla6m2DjtzkO for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 07:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3B47DAA94C for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 07:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Pv7cI-0004P7-np for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:26:50 +0000 Message-ID: <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 12:25:39 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Beagle, JPEG, Ovation Pro References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 547 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Ross McGuinness writes >> What format do you then save the images in? >Still as jpegs If you rotate an image you generate new pixels, think of a square at 45 degrees inside another square, there are four triangles not in the original image. They have to be some colour or transparent. I imagine OP makes them transparent, which implies printing sprites with a mask, and all the usual problems with PS printer drivers. If Change FSI makes the new pixels white, and you're happy with white, that's fine, otherwise... > and we have also tried PS3. I've just tried to print >two pages each with a jpeg on them. Left unrotated they print fine. >Once I rotated one image the printer (PS2) comes back with a 'not >enough memory' message. PS3 does the same but continues to print the >page with the unrotated image- this is a 539,248 byte file that >displays a blank page. There is a setting in OP choices, 'print memory' I would set that to something sensible for your system, it probably defaults to the days of 4MB machines, a couple of 100 K, if you have a machine with 100MB that is too small. At least big enough to hold your JPEG when converted to a sprite would be good. You're talking about the memory problem here, but it would be interesting to know that the slow printing etc. etc. problems go away with the level 3 driver. I think this has been a good point, it shows the problems that a simple change like rotating a JPEG can produce. Print memory is memory OP reserves before starting to print, the problem it is attempting to cure is the printer driver grabbing all the memory in the machine and the application being left with none - one wouldn't really expect that with a PS driver. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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([91.84.89.223]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p23D2ZPT004604 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:02:35 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:02:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Beagle, JPEG, Ovation Pro Message-ID: <51ae2e3eb3riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 548 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In article <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > There is a setting in OP choices, 'print memory' I would set that > to something sensible for your system, it probably defaults to the > days of 4MB machines, a couple of 100 K, if you have a machine > with 100MB that is too small. At least big enough to hold your > JPEG when converted to a sprite would be good. > You're talking about the memory problem here, but it would be > interesting to know that the slow printing etc. etc. problems go > away with the level 3 driver. > I think this has been a good point, it shows the problems that a > simple change like rotating a JPEG can produce. > Print memory is memory OP reserves before starting to print, the > problem it is attempting to cure is the printer driver grabbing > all the memory in the machine and the application being left with > none - one wouldn't really expect that with a PS driver. Is this perhaps what has caused my computer to crash consistently when trying to print out fairly large documents with lots of images? I thought I'd cured the problem by converting all JPEGs to smaller-dimensioned Sprites at a much lower memory size. But maybe this is the cause instead? How do I set the Print Memory, please, and to what suggested value? (I have over 100MB of RAM, in both VRPC and Kinetic.) Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 3 13:22:58 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pv8LQ-2cVGPo-06-FiZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:22:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pv8LQ-2cVGPo-06-FiZ; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:13:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pv8LQ-2cVGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:13:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pv8LM-0003fp-I2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:13:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D63E8DAA953; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:13:20 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299158001; bh=Agcgl5kiGsCece4ygkVBN6W1UWkivWhfV0AEdBrc 5oc=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=aIaf+tUHai9dZY1Ab8w9e/Irx22IZOu78eznL8DYGt8z+sPLU2 HUcqJTk9Ts8KFNcPd3hHtDZY6SKrDibrCvbQqL1rSSsOmDhr5G6Zxbzlc5DQpxYWqzH ApKGpufgVCKQ+ZAY7R6ZdbXB6RJwccLES2En9U5RsMhJSuk9Lq1iVE= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y+F11YTBFZ3L; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 079A9DAA8F4; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:13:06 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299157999; bh=Agcgl5kiGsCece4ygkVBN6W1UWkivWhfV0AEdBrc 5oc=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=AtbWd+Z8td3Ux22HmzTUpqSV23wiU3FRC1WPAblWs98eYxKeQX x8ycivYmtUCD1xD/5znZqRQa4YvfosQ73V4xBk5bOA4x76LA7O6RZ3o5KPgBEd9L/+l jVaR9m67Nf3CKxdscbzmF6zTVT1eDEI5pPbAnaiU3PkfqQHqqmYtmM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 03 Mar 2011 08:13:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3434DAA918 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:13:06 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V-a1cSACoRak for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5609BDAA8F4 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (178-26-93-129-dynip.superkabel.de [178.26.93.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MBqAp-1PkRcd0Gn9-00AkTX; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 14:13:04 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Beagle, JPEG, Ovation Pro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 14:12:41 +0100 Message-ID: References: <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:nyXEFkKByNRB+timl4Oec6S991ske4hLDpv2KSP0knw cwYt770cHjrR65eVA83lFXs/WzhUGdIljDED7S9BoMl1bsalhp F2xxRUHxuNHObkImJHxBEvcaXKrU/nyYTZj+K/CUgR4AAMDrjU FYQL05DwG5UCXgB7qecAkIJLVSWH+8DdseWkpn7pic7P6UN/+8 lQ/d7agL2UT0qKeJjRaYw== X-archive-position: 549 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message , Ross > McGuinness writes >> and we have also tried PS3. I've just tried to print >>two pages each with a jpeg on them. Left unrotated they print fine. >>Once I rotated one image the printer (PS2) comes back with a 'not >>enough memory' message. PS3 does the same but continues to print the >>page with the unrotated image- this is a 539,248 byte file that >>displays a blank page. Just to clarify: That error message is not from the printer driver, it is from OvationPro. > There is a setting in OP choices, 'print memory' [...] > Print memory is memory OP reserves before starting to print, the problem > it is attempting to cure is the printer driver grabbing all the memory > in the machine and the application being left with none - one wouldn't > really expect that with a PS driver. Exactly. Neither the PS2 driver nor the PS3 driver require any significant amount of memory for printing nor do they reserve any memory when printing starts. So, I doubt that the "Print memory" option can have any effect when printing to PostScript. I suspect there is a bug somewhere in OP that causes that error. Maybe some code tries reading printer properties (e.g., the resolution) and gets it wrong for PostScript? Usually, applications test for PostScript explicitly since the resolution value returned from !Printers does not mean anything (though it is usually set to 300dpi to avoid problems with applications that use the value without testing for PostScript). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 3 14:07:59 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pv92t-2Ma000-08-F16.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 14:07:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pv92t-2Ma000-08-F16; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:58:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pv92t-2Ma000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:58:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pv92m-0004tn-Ex for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:58:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 201C1DAA943; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:58:12 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299160692; bh=677audji8eCfqiQWmf3Y+Us4L26QtG4WYl+WeZPS kQ0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=ouStAiz+Xw7e5D8Vi0KgC2xrNmwdvQRFRXeVwK+1sBfvILYvyN Pj6gkrmRu/sliWZj52oyxYsNnD1tIEy1yMQYBEQuQUhmx8+pVcbZVlkxWLmxZ+R5OZi /5N564FrDIBf6f2UdCmFMTTOVeoa9Y5c16xFp+TMz2LNVzVF95WUvc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N3ZKpHNGY8iK; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:58:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F1EBDA97FA; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:57:58 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299160691; bh=677audji8eCfqiQWmf3Y+Us4L26QtG4WYl+WeZPS kQ0=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Po2TE2YdEk7rlqGmbfvQslctvQz1SDuPE1ZKubJQSh3mM6JAaO piUqU9t8j2Nv0foTpTVojYW1RBhfZLTGZFoWddP8pgM4tdE/5jxIoCzE3/+r0IExCHY UAl6Dgq7w/nPwIU0SqrmicZY89Q6PAFGPKIi6H/IRHF3kcMmqr2yP8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 03 Mar 2011 08:57:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06663DAA90C for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:57:58 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5sMCal8jGWmW for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8202BDAA8E5 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:57:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Pv92S-0001jU-nz for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:57:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:56:30 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Beagle, JPEG, Ovation Pro References: <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 550 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , Martin Wuerthner writes >Just to clarify: That error message is not from the printer driver, it >is from OvationPro. Yes, there was never any doubt about that. OP is rendering to a sprite, it has to have a substantial amount of memory to create that sprite, and I would guess when it can't get enough it raises the error. Although bear in mind it only needs some memory, it will print render in strips. Seemingly with the Beagle board you get a redraw that takes a long time as multiple strips are rendered. >Exactly. Neither the PS2 driver nor the PS3 driver require any >significant amount of memory for printing nor do they reserve any >memory when printing starts. So, I doubt that the "Print memory" >option can have any effect when printing to PostScript. OK, so that is a challenge, I will go and investigate. Michael - lets see what the problem is.... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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It is actually possible to rotate a Jpeg by 90 degrees without have to go through the uncompress/compress process. So it is lossless almost. You may have to trim a row or two of pixels off one of the edges. No idea if ChangeFSI or OP make use of this though. Just adding to the mayhem. Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and then delete it; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates or receives, for potential scrutiny. Quantel is the trade name used by Quantel Holdings Limited and its subsidiaries. Quantel Holdings Limited is registered in England & Wales. 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Registered address: Turnpike Road, Newbury, Berkshire, RG14 2NX, United Kingdom To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 3 15:53:02 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PvAem-0BiGPo-07-DPD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 15:53:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PvAem-0BiGPo-07-DPD; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:41:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PvAem-0BiGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:41:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PvAeh-0007Kc-1O for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:41:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5B20DAACE7; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:41:28 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299166888; bh=s74NWt+6+60V/lOO4mYcAK+2UFplPuW8xsBVJPch a7I=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=cj2xFrnMjc+sK13yInn4Srz4xD4VGFGCvBX0+2cei5CCJzudi9 gYqv9TCABCB/OcNlDNrYgJu3rGUmr7QKwkkJuIhhpingfFoXu6fry28aqQL0wO5kjfh aX7hIQccPHIyqOVrAjeBvtYjZ9gIjlkwW3kh5uxXXKhW/8d0vk0LCw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jTKjW5oLTKGo; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF5D2DAA9DE; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:41:14 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299166887; bh=s74NWt+6+60V/lOO4mYcAK+2UFplPuW8xsBVJPch a7I=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=k68EY/EAHwqQ+Cor2LPq6ShXoAPb0g3h8AYQ7qzAdbeHB9Q/yZ 4cADPirEovPwmWIdl7juzX2pD8UJh1ISCR7BK9Q1si2R4akKIC94G5RJmX7gvV/eoFP bWs4cyddzTtsfcEaobGjgwhPtOmT7rq9Aj13wVK8lBtiEqkwstNeOY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 03 Mar 2011 10:41:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B715FDAAC3D for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:41:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id asIws4meo0ux for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:41:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.9]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3985FDAA9DE for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (178-26-93-129-dynip.superkabel.de [178.26.93.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MLi3n-1PuLRD2xH9-000rp1; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 16:41:13 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Beagle, JPEG, Ovation Pro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 16:19:39 +0100 Message-ID: References: <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:X4gcoNh0S8CDjyiFTdHHX+iV1RDIxXbhbsDrXebGr88 +7jeerqzlAUAqFZBnnJ5T/gDN252wudYvhMZFM0VWdAjWHUhhH unxdm/Alwmc/9TiTulFE9akew4NuQFVJyf3OIv9Gibm83LrqSs 8OzMAXt+E2ZW6ZkV1N9OW89ZZ7kQeZKKL97fiHqrI66bLMOMAV kVDhhjQj5QwdyxnmztCkw== X-archive-position: 552 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling In message andy.ling@quantel.com wrote: > davidpilling wrote on 03/03/2011 12:25:39: >> If you rotate an image you generate new pixels, think of a square at 45 >> degrees inside another square, there are four triangles not in the >> original image. > It is actually possible to rotate a Jpeg by 90 degrees without > have to go through the uncompress/compress process. So it is > lossless almost. You may have to trim a row or two of pixels > off one of the edges. > No idea if ChangeFSI or OP make use of this though. No, but jpegtran does, e.g., via the !JCut front-end. It allows you to crop, rotate and mirror JPEGs without having to uncompress and recompress, i.e., without quality loss. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 3 16:38:05 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PvBKb-0ky000-06-CjO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:38:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PvBKb-0ky000-06-CjO; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 16:24:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PvBKb-0ky000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 16:24:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PvBKV-0004wG-Mi for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 16:24:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 609F2DAA194; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 11:24:41 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299169481; bh=EhnXxBsAbg3tPJDnQN3xjeBrMEUtxosqS0a2jI88 kkU=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Ag6D82oSpWqm9FQexN3XUpHFFFuiqLqK0VVj5fkQdfJ3kunkpe AXF0MOtUXWB+TjdZkiHchwUo3MsFLS9GPdeckdNYtLhR2Tbr684RP4ChmHkwooQQ7f/ NOHi+FGQzL6nb5Ssb3bQFF4YhdngH4ezJAIfxyOrc7VLEgQHxCFJBw= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VYFyFMAG-miU; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 11:24:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB87CDA980B; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 11:24:27 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299169480; bh=EhnXxBsAbg3tPJDnQN3xjeBrMEUtxosqS0a2jI88 kkU=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=D+3ijo9Aqpfeh6l1qfrQaMZjWJECCl3M6/RQgqjjzHiCA28oii F0dMKFfBkkJya/+d3dRwGZ9o8bycOjOulyEk7QuLmQCg0ExKYbcuMO+7Y8fRxMSm6lz n6t8Kw3pMfOfTqhyoykqA9sJIgUx+Q7OzEhIt1GrEbusU4nwpsE0ek= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 03 Mar 2011 11:24:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BD1ADAA15A for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 11:24:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xUa7XBJABt-3 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 11:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C3FDDA980B for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 11:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PvBKB-0006CG-Zg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 16:24:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:23:20 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Beagle, JPEG, Ovation Pro References: <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 553 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, In message , andy.ling@quantel.com writes >davidpilling wrote on 03/03/2011 12:25:39: >It is actually possible to rotate a Jpeg by 90 degrees without >have to go through the uncompress/compress process. So it is >lossless almost. You may have to trim a row or two of pixels >off one of the edges. > >No idea if ChangeFSI or OP make use of this though. Yes, but I'm talking about the general case. OP does not take out 90 degree special cases. I also have a feeling that you court trouble if the JPEG does not fill the sample size completely. Typically JPEGs are on an 8x8 sample, so if your picture X and Y dimensions are not multiples of 8 pixels. Jpeg tools from the jpeg club are the thing for handling JPEGs with as little resampling as possible. http://jpegclub.org/ -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 3 18:23:08 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PvD4w-4U2knw-08-Az3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:23:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PvD4w-4U2knw-08-Az3; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 18:16:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PvD4w-4U2knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 18:16:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PvD4u-0000xd-Do for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 18:16:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88D3DDAADE1; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:16:42 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299176202; bh=VLxZteiGwy+pMzu/iaPJJHFHeFxknwLUtkfdHd0d LBI=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=iUffoXfShXkKLSxWMs1jWIEwFykYpwVe7dcucU1LkgKgNaPThO yV810H1S2ePE/Wp+MrrtSAxdZ3mjATAs6eAx52wJxvnq04b/HUQxEroqUAUAJ7v24Hg oPWyAzHfABHDYrubbYIRX2UMTBXIsPubSc7BIGYv5PuCMTZXLLVDWU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GTJL0zHUVhdi; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90505DAAD89; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:16:28 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299176201; bh=VLxZteiGwy+pMzu/iaPJJHFHeFxknwLUtkfdHd0d LBI=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=eh35VlrLnFUx4syzXs01OGANWUtJGQ19O8h478dTaFBQu6NKq1 DLUnRvZ6CqRjxj8MMgZOGJWCsadgCJgX1lG6d4nRLMKqg6brcr3GND19ELhBHirV3+H M1qglzkwHYJ3vD+cJUM59Ckw12mxFInQXnAjA+ZP100cksTVUVavQM= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:16:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 657A0DAADA2 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:16:28 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DL9Y4fqceJfZ for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:16:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2D53DAAD89 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PvD4c-0005G5-md for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 18:16:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 18:15:07 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Beagle, JPEG, Ovation Pro References: <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 554 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Hi, Let me try to make some sense out of this. Firstly I can print a rotated JPEG to the Acorn level 2 printer driver without having any messages about running out of memory. Ross, I need an example that demos the problem to get any further with this problem. Second, Martin suggested I might be reading the printer resolution for a PS printer and hence making bit maps that were too large and running out of memory. Well no. The JPEG code just converts to a sprite the same size as the JPEG. OP does have code which looks at printer resolutions and sets up a sprite, but it doesn't do that for a PS printer. I suggested I might not be trapping any error from JPEG Info and causing the problems on Beagle, that is not the case I am trapping errors. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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I >thought I'd cured the problem by converting all JPEGs to >smaller-dimensioned Sprites at a much lower memory size. But maybe >this is the cause instead? No idea. Are you printing to PostScript? "Lots of images", are they all the same type, or a mix of Draw files, Sprites and JPEGs. Faced with a 100 page document with 1000 graphics in. I would set off with a printer driver set to print to file, and then apply the binary chop - print pages 1-50 if they crash then print pages 1-25, if they don't print pages 50 to 100. Keep dividing by two until you find what is causing the crash. JPEG's are in general not a bad thing. The problem is that Acorn never finished support for them by providing transformed rendering, so the best I can do is unpack them to sprites. >How do I set the Print Memory, please, and to what suggested value? (I >have over 100MB of RAM, in both VRPC and Kinetic.) Ovation Pro -> icon bar menu ->Choices->Print choices ->Memory. I would set it to 5MB. But I have no idea about your images. If I knew I had a JPEG that was rotated and unpacked to 10MB, I'd set print memory to 12MB. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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([91.84.89.223]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p23LFeb0018224 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 21:15:41 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 21:16:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Beagle, JPEG, Ovation Pro Message-ID: <51ae5b6ec4riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ae2e3eb3riscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 556 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mAoqurJhrvsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Deid8tWKvr8_AwlLIW4A:9 a=tB9Ig3r97m2hhiUS2xoA:7 a=XTm9fUgMwNgQl9HyAYQrsJhGryUA:4 a=uvweEjCdw1yh1jmv:21 a=_ar3KfkbEXMi0thb:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <51ae2e3eb3riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding > writes > >Is this perhaps what has caused my computer to crash consistently > >when trying to print out fairly large documents with lots of > >images? I thought I'd cured the problem by converting all JPEGs to > >smaller-dimensioned Sprites at a much lower memory size. But maybe > >this is the cause instead? > No idea. Are you printing to PostScript? Not PostScript. - With the Kinetic, it's either Printers 1.64a & FastSpool+ or TurboDrivers & FastSpool+. - Using SA-VRPC it's Printers 1.92 or (more usually) TurboDrivers with PrintSpooler. The PrintMemory in both was set to 495K, but it still sometimes crashed. > "Lots of images", are they all the same type, or a mix of Draw > files, Sprites and JPEGs. Usually a mix of images - Sprites & Draw files - in an A5 32-page (=A4*16 sides) parish magazine pamphlet; but rarely JPEGs - nowadays I convert them to Sprites (all previously fixed in Photoshop with the correct orientation!). I used to have e.g. Sprites of as much as 409K size, but I've found by bitter experience that it's safer to scale them down before putting them into OP. > Faced with a 100 page document with 1000 graphics in. I would set > off with a printer driver set to print to file, and then apply the > binary chop - print pages 1-50 if they crash then print pages 1-25, > if they don't print pages 50 to 100. Keep dividing by two until you > find what is causing the crash. I could occasionally deduce which page had a problem by observing the page count of the print screen, noticing where it crashed. But I never really knew why it was crashing, particularly when sometimes it crashed and sometimes it printed out the same documents. > >How do I set the Print Memory, please, and to what suggested > >value? (I have over 100MB of RAM, in both VRPC and Kinetic.) > Ovation Pro -> icon bar menu ->Choices->Print choices ->Memory. I > would set it to 5MB. But I have no idea about your images. If I > knew I had a JPEG that was rotated and unpacked to 10MB, I'd set > print memory to 12MB. Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 3 22:08:13 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PvGXJ-4CH000-07-G3C.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 22:08:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PvGXJ-4CH000-07-G3C; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 21:58:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PvGXJ-4CH000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 21:58:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PvGXI-0007j4-36 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 21:58:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72488DAACE6; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:58:04 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299189484; bh=f5yJzwuanAfOggfeW4FJoZh7sFVLCgCS+/xbx5M2 bps=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=bcbtIt2NoQzSQ2/OkQFiw3svIHMMWzX1ANaia6R0Y0jfTpnQYw iIqrQJOnkLo3mBONWgrIdgOkrI2/QptZF3QjAcQrOulsiEJ0Zx8K6hBR6KFWRuMS1we NfOPtqFokPb0Ek7Wwb33Qxiw5HabwZLkfcKPQPUNuZD/acQRvEVfJs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vnuD0LYxVcs8; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83FFFDAACCA; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:57:50 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299189483; bh=f5yJzwuanAfOggfeW4FJoZh7sFVLCgCS+/xbx5M2 bps=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=rl6kjBWM5jYKDwp2FibZJatxSaVgKJrxQY/YGPFrYaEbGcHQNt zS00Jkletv2lhxQv74rK7UAPwiYRo2nD3+LdPRAD8PJaFaL4Uli3ODh3qXkInt1DNkl +ANVTu8lQ6wfkKhEZkqnSOByuSkF45s8itz1j3Cq2MI1jJvAyekLMg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 03 Mar 2011 16:57:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5EC2CDAAC54 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:57:50 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9MGjtHzOn8Iq for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4DBBDAAC4F for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PvGWq-0002bw-Y6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 21:57:48 +0000 Message-ID: <2LjdrGMF6AcNFwpz@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 21:56:21 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Michael Harding - printing keeps crashing. References: <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ae2e3eb3riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51ae5b6ec4riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <51ae5b6ec4riscos@mdharding.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 557 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QXCt8QqYj48A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bT5SqHFxERpyS3Z9MUQA:9 a=MgbsiD5M5jHfbGS_EPAA:7 a=XO_GbgsOvo3tzPKsyB-L_-YsspkA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=FkRvHIiFNt-gka4e:21 a=lbN_mQnzBv9uu3M_:21 Hi, In message <51ae5b6ec4riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding writes >In article , > David Pilling wrote: >Not PostScript. So much of the above is not relevant. I've changed the subject line to make this a new thread. >The PrintMemory in both was set to 495K, but it still sometimes >crashed. A good sized chunk of print memory would be no bad thing. If I was having problems I would give it a few megabytes. >Usually a mix of images - Sprites & Draw files - in an A5 32-page >(=A4*16 sides) parish magazine pamphlet; but rarely JPEGs There is of course a well known bug in Turbo drivers to do with JPEGs. I forget the details but things have to be arranged in a specific way to avoid it. I observe the button "pre print pass" in Ovation Pro choices. ISTR that is to do with it. Looking at the list archives for exactly 10 years ago, confirms this, pre print pass must be on for Turbos. I sounded more cheerful 10 years ago 8-) >correct orientation!). I used to have e.g. Sprites of as much as 409K >size, but I've found by bitter experience that it's safer to scale >them down before putting them into OP. I am surprised. There should be no problem. Having said that there is a hierarchy of what may cause trouble: square frame with picture square frame with picture and image processing irregular frame with picture - included a square frame at an angle. >I could occasionally deduce which page had a problem by observing the >page count of the print screen, noticing where it crashed. But I never >really knew why it was crashing, particularly when sometimes it >crashed and sometimes it printed out the same documents. Well if you do nothing you'll keep on having the problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Thu, 3 Mar 2011 17:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (178-26-93-129-dynip.superkabel.de [178.26.93.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MHri9-1PyqvV18jF-003Ktb; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 23:33:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Beagle, JPEG, Ovation Pro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 22:40:40 +0100 Message-ID: <8aa65dae51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ae2e3eb3riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51ae5b6ec4riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <51ae5b6ec4riscos@mdharding.org.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:oKgu8kpuXviibR0xHeiEZ/Rqn4t8Uz96DsCdRuxe77e tykYhIpQYJF5/3LuxHNs48AC4RH2jNUmQrFawSjaPc7JvE8gUF q1h7S6oXlVv5gBlRPAy/YtMy2jW0jcT54RJWlXVMt03MsLWs79 Kj37L5hnRhechwvuUEkcPgVPywBoc65MY2kB6N1xuJTaV9PbRd X8CT6dpw9kKvpWQGziBRg== X-archive-position: 558 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mAoqurJhrvsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=UiHvSpAEqpMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lfmarC1TNFkJ2e0tPQ0A:9 a=PCtmNvimr_rT_eGF6roA:7 a=IRA4DWlyKXw4MAAsYwcySgyTslMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=fYp7QcPc0vnPfNGG:21 a=tK1OIhAeGIb83fG7:21 In message <51ae5b6ec4riscos@mdharding.org.uk> M Harding wrote: > I used to have e.g. Sprites of as much as 409K > size, but I've found by bitter experience that it's safer to scale > them down before putting them into OP. Even 409k is small by today's standards. There should never be a problem printing a sprite of that size. OvationPro has been used to produce books with many large illustrations. >> Faced with a 100 page document with 1000 graphics in. I would set >> off with a printer driver set to print to file, and then apply the >> binary chop - print pages 1-50 if they crash then print pages 1-25, >> if they don't print pages 50 to 100. Keep dividing by two until you >> find what is causing the crash. > I could occasionally deduce which page had a problem by observing the > page count of the print screen, noticing where it crashed. But I never > really knew why it was crashing, particularly when sometimes it > crashed and sometimes it printed out the same documents. Sounds very much like a problem outside of OvationPro. The most likely candidate is a problem with TurboDrivers, in particular in conjunction with "high address dynamic areas" problems. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 4 12:03:54 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PvJ5j-2doknw-08-DUm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 12:03:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PvJ5j-2doknw-08-DUm; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 00:41:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PvJ5j-2doknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 00:41:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PvJ5d-0002yU-4Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 00:41:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE5B5DAAD56; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 19:41:50 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299199310; bh=79TtaH1hx2mBzjqJH05wOoDiYyngMADFceoRZzcC qlw=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=PGjztJbEzEOWX/b0PwoIJ+M7yDSXGrBMSPFulgursEfftCGpb6 gTuw7ruzrIMTUIvR0WLuZqvPjyWcFHx9fMUJjMj4I5rbupIXHnMtlzY/bWyw6nYOtX/ P+4n9V6IkrhJ+0g8W9E6eXT3yPM0VDDef/DrO5PSon71A+C1KuAnzY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LFbq4CDWJKQ8; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 19:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97B0FDA9C05; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 19:41:36 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299199309; bh=79TtaH1hx2mBzjqJH05wOoDiYyngMADFceoRZzcC qlw=; h=Subject:To:From:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=eENUoqfn4EEXpQldNO2JHKLNQ+julhdLUEdtspXzkf6qoeU0qk WbnMpbblnBIS2TTErhPa0m+lSWvhatDe+DENUkNArIf1KAZl8QuMZEfo6Lti5kqLoMD IrZoAaxV0iEUIUmt2yc7y28lWLb/QZ8OeMlaoIGwcOdr3NjYu5G4xw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 03 Mar 2011 19:41:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E542DAACDA for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 19:41:36 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4d98gVdmBbi2 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 19:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 082DADA9C05 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 19:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12842 invoked by uid 89); 4 Mar 2011 00:40:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 4 Mar 2011 00:40:49 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Michael Harding - printing keeps crashing. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:32:27 +0800 Message-ID: References: <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ae2e3eb3riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51ae5b6ec4riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <8aa65dae51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <8aa65dae51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 559 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bzoCdShH6ZwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DT87De5cEdRt4wCtRM0A:9 a=_Y4gZ-lX6wda6O36Ua8A:7 a=Rf1PN1bBfPx5gOQCMYytKZZDEyIA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 In message <8aa65dae51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: snip Iyonix v5.16(16 Jan 2010), Printers v1.72 (5 Nov 04) using PS2 and PS3 to print to file and produce PDFs ready for our printing company which prints out on a digital printer. In all cases we use jpegs. Some from our cameras, some from scanned images. > Even 409k is small by today's standards. There should never be a > problem printing a sprite of that size. OvationPro has been used to > produce books with many large illustrations. The OPro print memory is set to 25Mb and the books we produce range up to 500+ A4 pages with some books having images on most pages. Some pages have four or five images on them. >>> Faced with a 100 page document with 1000 graphics in. I would set >>> off with a printer driver set to print to file, and then apply the >>> binary chop - print pages 1-50 if they crash then print pages 1-25, >>> if they don't print pages 50 to 100. Keep dividing by two until you >>> find what is causing the crash. When printing to PDF I observe as each page is rendered and if it takes 'too' long deduce that there is a large image on that page. By going back and reducing the image to less than 1Mb the problem is usually resolved. When there are multiple images the reduction applied through ChangeFSI is greater ie images inserted at 300-600Kb. We also are reduced to printing up to the problem page. After the problem page(s) to the end of the chapter and then I recombine the sets of pages for the chapter on the Mac. >> I could occasionally deduce which page had a problem by observing the >> page count of the print screen, noticing where it crashed. But I never >> really knew why it was crashing, particularly when sometimes it >> crashed and sometimes it printed out the same documents. Taking the same course I could locate the 'problem' page and would then look at the images. OvPro-Picture-Proxy to check image size. Then go back to directory storing the image and 'rectify' - either rotate the image in ChangeFSI or reduce the image size to less than a Mb. > Sounds very much like a problem outside of OvationPro. The most likely > candidate is a problem with TurboDrivers, in particular in conjunction > with "high address dynamic areas" problems. Have long since ceased using Turbo drivers. Yesterday when this issue arose on the list I simply opened an OPro page, created a frame, dropped an image from my digital camera (jpeg around 2 Mb) then created a new page and did the same thing. Printed via PS2 (to PDF) and also PS3. Then I rotated one image in OPro. When I went to print to PDF using PS2 it immediately came back with a 'not enough memory' message. In PS3 it started to process, came up with the same memory message and then appeared to render. At the end there was a 'PDF' created of around 500Kb but upon opening it was a blank page. My work around over the years has been to try and ensure all images are less than 1Mb, with multiple images on a page reduce the image size (in Kb) to meet the size of the frame, when printing watch the rendering to locate trouble pages, seek image info and rectify using ChangeFSI, and above all never rotate an image in OPro - always do so with ChangeFSI. Printing in small sets of pages rather than whole chapters is the safest way to go. > Martin -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 4 12:48:56 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PvULJ-3LCknw-01-Ali.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 12:48:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PvULJ-3LCknw-01-Ali; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 12:42:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PvULJ-3LCknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 12:42:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PvULA-00004a-Qx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Fri, 4 Mar 2011 07:42:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A051DAAD64 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 07:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PvUKr-0004df-aR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 12:42:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 12:41:20 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ross McGuinness - Postscript printing problems References: <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ae2e3eb3riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51ae5b6ec4riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <8aa65dae51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 560 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fqwMxcdHSaMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MsmeHHfZOeQflhHJXFwA:9 a=JPBW_GVDZeZnMVtI5ncA:7 a=7vZbNYdAOuPTGxm-AigjgOdhbQ0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=oKOrMb2gPuzR89pw:21 a=ZrjgCqhB6FfokYsk:21 Hi, In message , Ross McGuinness writes >Have long since ceased using Turbo drivers. Yesterday when this issue >arose on the list I simply opened an OPro page, created a frame, >dropped an image from my digital camera (jpeg around 2 Mb) then >created a new page and did the same thing. Printed via PS2 (to PDF) >and also PS3. Then I rotated one image in OPro. When I went to print >to PDF using PS2 it immediately came back with a 'not enough memory' >message. In PS3 it started to process, came up with the same memory >message and then appeared to render. At the end there was a 'PDF' >created of around 500Kb but upon opening it was a blank page. I notice you're now talking about PDFs, and that is another stage on top of producing PostScript with the chance of the error coming from somewhere else. It made me wonder exactly what the error message is, and what is shown in the title of the error box. The size in bytes of the JPEG may be relevant, but it is likely that what matters is the size in pixels. The two are related, but my test 2MB JPEG might contain many more or many less pixels than yours. If you're working out how much memory a JPEG takes to unpack, what matters is the pixel size (memory = xpix * ypix *4). There is another issue, multiple images on a page. I can imagine a situation where, say you're using referenced images, memory problems occur if they can't all be loaded into memory at once. What I would really like is to reduce all this to a simple situation that goes wrong. Will anyone say "www.here is an OP document with a single embedded rotated JPEG, try printing it and you'll get an out of memory error" and we can all have a go. Another aspect, I've talked about the OP print memory setting. I might set print memory to 2GB, doesn't imply that I have that much free memory. You can just run out of memory, rendering a rotated JPEG will use a substantial amount of extra memory, that memory has to be available, before we get on to the subject of can OP get at it. In other words a 20MB document on a machine with 24MB of RAM does not leave 25MB of print memory for OP. I took a JPEG from my camera, 3.7MB, it contains 3872 by 2592 pixels. If you do the math, that is around 40MB as an unpacked bitmap, that is how much free memory is needed to print it rotated. It produced an 11MB PS file, which implies some packing must be going on. I am impressed by just how much memory it can take to unpack a JPEG. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Fri Mar 4 10:47:54 2011 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with IMPORT id ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:50:27 +0000 Return-Path: X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA8F7DAACBA for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:47:53 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D0HoENaWrzHb for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A8C9DAA9C8 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21173 invoked by uid 89); 4 Mar 2011 15:45:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 4 Mar 2011 15:45:24 -0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ross McGuinness - Postscript printing problems To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 23:35:50 +0800 Message-ID: References: <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ae2e3eb3riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51ae5b6ec4riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <8aa65dae51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.01 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="206214204--1867503527--1510154760" This message is in MIME format which your mailer apparently does not support. You either require a newer version of your software which supports MIME, or a separate MIME decoding utility. Alternatively, ask the sender of this message to resend it in a different format. --206214204--1867503527--1510154760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message , Ross > McGuinness writes >>Have long since ceased using Turbo drivers. Yesterday when this issue >>arose on the list I simply opened an OPro page, created a frame, >>dropped an image from my digital camera (jpeg around 2 Mb) then >>created a new page and did the same thing. Printed via PS2 (to PDF) >>and also PS3. Then I rotated one image in OPro. When I went to print >>to PDF using PS2 it immediately came back with a 'not enough memory' >>message. In PS3 it started to process, came up with the same memory >>message and then appeared to render. At the end there was a 'PDF' >>created of around 500Kb but upon opening it was a blank page. Image dropped into frame on OPro page and then rotated using Menu Picture - Modify Picture - Angle 90 PS2 to PDF Message from Ovation Pro: not enough memory PS3 to PDF Message from Ovation Pro: not enough memory it then produces a PDF that is blank (checked it on a Windoze machine and also came up blank) PS2 to Postscript Printer Message from Ovation Pro: not enough memory PS3 to Postscript Printer Message from Ovation Pro: not enough memory My machine has 256Mb of RAM and 25Mb allocated to OP for printing. > I notice you're now talking about PDFs, and that is another stage on top > of producing PostScript with the chance of the error coming from > somewhere else. It made me wonder exactly what the error message is, and > what is shown in the title of the error box. > The size in bytes of the JPEG may be relevant, but it is likely that > what matters is the size in pixels. The two are related, but my test 2MB > JPEG might contain many more or many less pixels than yours. If you're > working out how much memory a JPEG takes to unpack, what matters is the > pixel size (memory = xpix * ypix *4). > There is another issue, multiple images on a page. I can imagine a > situation where, say you're using referenced images, memory problems > occur if they can't all be loaded into memory at once. > What I would really like is to reduce all this to a simple situation > that goes wrong. Will anyone say "www.here is an OP document with a > single embedded rotated JPEG, try printing it and you'll get an out of > memory error" and we can all have a go. > Another aspect, I've talked about the OP print memory setting. I might > set print memory to 2GB, doesn't imply that I have that much free > memory. You can just run out of memory, rendering a rotated JPEG will > use a substantial amount of extra memory, that memory has to be > available, before we get on to the subject of can OP get at it. > In other words a 20MB document on a machine with 24MB of RAM does not > leave 25MB of print memory for OP. > I took a JPEG from my camera, 3.7MB, it contains 3872 by 2592 pixels. If > you do the math, that is around 40MB as an unpacked bitmap, that is how > much free memory is needed to print it rotated. The image I used is 2.49Mb but when rotated in the OPro doc is only 633,796 bytes. Rotated the image in ChangeFSI before dropping into OPro and sending to print (as PDF) PS2 605,540 bytes and PS3 605,526 bytes Successful pages. Won't display on RISC OS but does on the Windoze machine. Attachments: Document1 is the image rotated in OPro Document2 is the image rotated in ChangeFSI before dropping into OPro > It produced an 11MB PS file, which implies some packing must be going > on. > I am impressed by just how much memory it can take to unpack a JPEG. -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ --206214204--1867503527--1510154760-- // eompost 4D7109AA:7D00.1:qnivqcvyyvat From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 4 17:19:00 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PvYQa-2DC000-03-FCx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 17:19:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PvYQa-2DC000-03-FCx; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 17:04:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PvYQa-2DC000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Fri, 4 Mar 2011 12:04:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5H6jOcxt1OIm for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 12:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20D75DAB445 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 12:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PvYQE-0001gn-mM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 17:04:11 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 17:02:44 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ross McGuinness - Postscript printing problems References: <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51ae2e3eb3riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <51ae5b6ec4riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <8aa65dae51.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 561 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=PPZ35DrrkpcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=aOUtAPrJAAAA:8 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=9jOIxm5xdsQKw8jQCKMA:9 a=6JgzLsLNdWqiXxN7GOYA:7 a=kuVlUWZ6ZsxngvgjhH58YTz6MPgA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=g05OwUjlr_bompWk:21 a=l-BKDUMBi8S3gxTh:21 Hi, (Ross sent me a couple of files attached to an email, the text of the email is below, but not the attachments) In message , Ross McGuinness writes >Image dropped into frame on OPro page and then rotated using >Menu Picture - Modify Picture - Angle 90 > > >PS2 to PDF >Message from Ovation Pro: not enough memory >PS3 to PDF >Message from Ovation Pro: not enough memory >it then produces a PDF that is blank (checked it on a Windoze machine >and also came up blank) >PS2 to Postscript Printer >Message from Ovation Pro: not enough memory >PS3 to Postscript Printer >Message from Ovation Pro: not enough memory > >My machine has 256Mb of RAM and 25Mb allocated to OP for printing. > Fine, the problem is OP. Once you get a not enough memory error from OP, that's game over. I'd not bother looking at what has come out on the PDF. >The image I used is 2.49Mb but when rotated in the OPro doc is only >633,796 bytes. >Rotated the image in ChangeFSI before dropping into OPro and sending >to print (as PDF) >PS2 605,540 bytes and PS3 605,526 bytes Successful pages. > >Won't display on RISC OS but does on the Windoze machine. > >Attachments: >Document1 is the image rotated in OPro >Document2 is the image rotated in ChangeFSI before dropping into OPro > Yes, because the image is referenced. That means I can't do anything useful with the files you sent, I don't have the referenced image. Feel free to send it to me. Referencing makes the memory use a little worse, you've got to have room to load the JPEG (2.49MB) and then room to expand it (I can't tell without the referenced file). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. 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UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 4 19:04:04 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PvaBT-2zkVbs-04-DS4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 19:04:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PvaBT-2zkVbs-04-DS4; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 18:57:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PvaBT-2zkVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 18:57:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PvaBS-0000Bo-HC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 18:57:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88A10DAB175; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:56:57 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299265017; bh=Gu9ZI0L3OZqUWOKZfmvktqloKGUitZrJOYQEuMNc MK0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=LtWl5E mMVXqWD8m0B7QR4JjNjrK0TrfFgd/OS4BG34L4FnTRB4f244oMPLWu+cLQQ4OyTTj98 WwgyVCOuxKM6qUY5gPbzjBGO6hv5niZreP/mqWA/6uYv8hWaI7MuRDAS38ZviUl82x/ 90tJa4gVws2uWamTt77HjxU26NHblFo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yFJp0Z1-8tPO; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3933DAA699; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:56:43 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299265016; bh=Gu9ZI0L3OZqUWOKZfmvktqloKGUitZrJOYQEuMNc MK0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=ZXixrY KRc3jLz0wgVDmrjfjdMskPQd6J+yf+cU4vvuj6hxM7kcJA05Zlh+DSJeNoDdqoFaQ/q RsrB/bIRB5tCn0aryJHzZ+HPheVuZcdLfQQ/JnO0Jzee7ku/cAAkTF0mozPk9lJekXG yCMR5A8yx9UdQQfgc56W34Ig2tpUpsY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 04 Mar 2011 13:56:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2EE2DAB0E3 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:56:43 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XOSgCg-0i8Ut for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42650DAA699 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.101.160]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p24IuMNi010835 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 18:56:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 18:56:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Message-ID: <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 562 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2ubDe8NTskA7Q5Z8YLkA:9 a=M1Chd0KUz3G1KueRM04A:7 a=gjzWg09OANErE6JDs-0crjHpTx8A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 On 10 Jan, dave@triffid.co.uk wrote: > There is obviously something amiss with the OvPro RTF Saving. Remember my quest back in January when getting Her indoors to use OvPro instead of the Publisher thing. A sort of works around was used, put the OvPro.rtf into Abiword then export as RTF which will load into Word okay. The problem has now become far worse. Previously she was using sexless quotes, but now using OvPro has taken to using sexed quotes. OvPro.Rtf makes a real mess up of it. Oh it appears to have done the translation okay, but when loaded into AbiWord, MSWord, etc the start quote/quotes are missing and the end quote/quotes are the start quote/quotes way around. She is totally urinated off with the OvPro experience and has now gone back to Imp Publisher. Anyone know what's going on here as I certainly don't. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 4 21:19:09 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PvcF7-2VTVbs-06-BOQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 21:19:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PvcF7-2VTVbs-06-BOQ; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 21:08:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PvcF7-2VTVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 21:08:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PvcEh-0002J6-57 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 21:08:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09C04DAB734; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:07:03 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299272823; bh=xlQ8Veb+RWlVhE2EWZtQ5cJBnfDMW/v5OUQvsu3x JlM=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Xxku7GSrN1shRnH1nQAzdIABGikAap8FhFnryZ7z8lZIsQ7bnd SOcGpSFQyRXhO2PzVFW4txtP6t6dIX2IEs3KjmUTvWwwTt6cqGmCxomhO3HkD27CSrH 4lqo3NV+BXnArTip8zdBQ6398icvNzPW2JFujfN5brnpZKz1Vo0wrc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fGPouAjAqvXx; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77EF6DAB724; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:06:49 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299272822; bh=xlQ8Veb+RWlVhE2EWZtQ5cJBnfDMW/v5OUQvsu3x JlM=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=vMS4StUhKl8TZWo7BYhcLTOA/R0ltXM45AEuY+6gTc8TeSlXHr v69EHFIy6HZrPP2kEeJnxcAFUdwqhIBkS6RcYAGvI60OM4OSNmL/K38I0Cap/w5H/2W 7fjxTp1Cdcresz1nSbmt0D1zqXXmCPsR7TD9XT7yJYSnb1SyV7NkPk= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 04 Mar 2011 16:06:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D255DAB72C for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:06:49 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5GhN9eIsF4fQ for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE8C3DAB724 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PvcCj-0002kQ-j1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 21:06:30 +0000 Message-ID: <+sivyOGCQVcNFw6Y@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 21:05:06 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 563 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VVQw4jRKsqeldBLp5D4A:9 a=I2LTnfB0hvegl_oqrzgA:7 a=KGSp6k_oAZ1AyC2ElYSEBFxngJgA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=hF4M43AV322xBoTM:21 a=AhxxDFC2t8vh_8OH:21 Hi, In message <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Previously she was using sexless quotes, but now using OvPro has taken to >using sexed quotes. There is a quotes applet, it lets you turn on and off the automatic entry of sexy quotes as you type. It will let you add or remove them to a marked block of text. The other thing to know is that there is a choices option Text->smart quotes which controls just sexy quotes on text file import. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:25:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from sif.is.scarlet.be (sif.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.28]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09A3ADAA7F5 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:25:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbes (ip-83-134-176-231.dsl.scarlet.be [83.134.176.231]) by sif.is.scarlet.be (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p24LPBXY019436 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 22:25:11 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=scarlet.be; s=scarlet; t=1299273912; bh=aHf+VYrZOx70V6E+sf8NLU3m+057rWVh17HcDFIqjxI=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2mdRm28TEMkPhVCL5I/zua/hybg8vl+dyEGK8IiPAk3c9tMsc8jtl1m/B9FQwNHgT ixHyzm3JN21baTExojSLzzrSIhGlrc/eNmyKtvxzt33IkRLgJrP8C6ipYPOauwqx7E kbYx1j5YuQo7hBgVHGp6bko2bE3qplImYSlCs/9E= Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 22:35:26 +0100 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Beagle, JPEG, Ovation Pro Message-ID: References: <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.21) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: sif 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-archive-position: 564 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mAoqurJhrvsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=nMjLqBIenXoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=NFLB-3fGLuMA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=3EK5X8rpAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7mELct32FYNU2S0oFHsA:9 a=U5Hzc5Ks7LIsHduoKVIA:7 a=w56lEO13gsJl-E9p5OnUwA4ugicA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 In message you wrote: > Well no. The JPEG code just converts to a sprite the same > size as the JPEG. OP does have code which looks at printer resolutions > and sets up a sprite, but it doesn't do that for a PS printer. But when printing to our PS3 driver, you can call JPEG_PlotTransformed. No need to go via a Sprite. John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 4 22:04:16 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Pvd27-275Vbs-01-AbQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 22:04:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Pvd27-275Vbs-01-AbQ; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 21:59:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Pvd27-275Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 21:59:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Pvd26-00032F-S7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 21:59:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0E9EDAB757; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:59:24 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299275964; bh=de0gt+TQNPqryAtqPGvC1NXdC+y/MsXgX2dxD4tB 5aA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=DvL/QEWF+KqoST49U4lhwNBSZPoiNwHPznZQrS4XrEkuYw+/3L SMOANFpFb721hT798iSwQsqCYFdhkOPaPaV8HSDkxmcK+9MmMXIf/A6UFV+vsi7HkVJ zs7mBInV68bfl3Kvbj3pAPFewBC6vEofnBhED3hfxSE57YNvaOEpL4= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oTFRFTa53CeX; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:59:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6B9CDAAF74; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:59:10 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1299275963; bh=de0gt+TQNPqryAtqPGvC1NXdC+y/MsXgX2dxD4tB 5aA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Cceim6YAfahcL4DD7gQVGuP2fV4DBWChRZ17FvzgJplsuPIhp8 p5XsuxfgyHm7gktO/qhBdokMTGwkLsn3lAdHo3GTKuxj2HEH0Orid1+vC7+sk0joFr3 f6e4XGGiiYjO1k1MtQE6Lpi2BLA+E7a0kphG+knn/EDHgzDbjTe8j4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 04 Mar 2011 16:59:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F72ADAAFE7 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:59:10 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CH1evwcwKUET for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 112E8DAAF74 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Pvd1h-0003JZ-a0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 21:59:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 21:58:04 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Beagle, JPEG, Ovation Pro References: <0QFtNrBDj4bNFwxp@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 565 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mAoqurJhrvsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Iiito8HDAAAA:8 a=3EK5X8rpAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Rf1QxVNnluZAYQG41qAA:9 a=5x6csZlorV9Sayw4cvcA:7 a=muzgTB0YzMPd1PT9cl5pbAdKRoEA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 a=JSIcvYxbYeaGSWta:21 a=USKOi-8i4GFpIQzH:21 Hi, In message , John Tytgat writes >In message you wrote: > >> Well no. The JPEG code just converts to a sprite the same >> size as the JPEG. OP does have code which looks at printer resolutions >> and sets up a sprite, but it doesn't do that for a PS printer. > >But when printing to our PS3 driver, you can call JPEG_PlotTransformed. >No need to go via a Sprite. Great, but this is the first time I have heard this... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Fri, 4 Mar 2011 18:04:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([82.153.209.224]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p24N4Mm0014795 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 23:04:23 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 23:04:25 GMT Message-ID: <7427e9ae51.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 566 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=li6o6Lpf-1bnk0f5AaAA:9 a=Z2IPZ7E_IVvLxK_zhQAA:7 a=6vhdw5bMk2iJrxCDnmgwBsuZ9IsA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=ut_WGNPakZ38IOrl:21 a=vDgan6866fvYPRN9:21 In message <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > On 10 Jan, dave@triffid.co.uk wrote: >> There is obviously something amiss with the OvPro RTF Saving. > Remember my quest back in January when getting Her indoors to use OvPro > instead of the Publisher thing. > A sort of works around was used, put the OvPro.rtf into Abiword then > export as RTF which will load into Word okay. > The problem has now become far worse. > Previously she was using sexless quotes, but now using OvPro has taken to > using sexed quotes. > OvPro.Rtf makes a real mess up of it. > Oh it appears to have done the translation okay, but when loaded into > AbiWord, MSWord, etc the start quote/quotes are missing and the end > quote/quotes are the start quote/quotes way around. > She is totally urinated off with the OvPro experience and has now gone > back to Imp Publisher. > Anyone know what's going on here as I certainly don't. Sounds like the inverse of the problem I get importing from Word into OPro/RISC OS. I load the document into Writer (stripped down Easiwriter), and save as text. Then I load the text into OPro - I'm not interested in preserving styles, effects etc - I do that to the house style within OPro. All the quotes, single and double are not mangled, and I have to go through and manually replace them. It's caused by the different character encoding between Windows and RISC OS - RISC OS uses Latin-1 while Windows uses some American standard. The sexed quotes have different ASCII code numbers in the different encodings, so come out as different characters. I don't think disabling import of sexed quotes will help, as the character codes are not the correct Latin-1 codes for sexed quotes. One day I'll get sufficiently annoyed to write a text translator, and it will be just as easy to make it reversible. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 5 12:08:24 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PveP2-3tN000-05-9EV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2011 12:08:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PveP2-3tN000-05-9EV; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 23:27:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PveP2-3tN000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 23:27:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PveP1-0001aR-0z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 23:27:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFB01DAB64A; 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Fri, 4 Mar 2011 18:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CF7ADAB583 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 18:26:59 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,266,1297036800"; d="scan'208";a="487960300" Received: from unknown (HELO mdxu) ([82.152.145.38]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 04 Mar 2011 23:26:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 23:26:58 +0000 From: Martin Devon To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Message-ID: <20110304232658.16413917@mdxu> In-Reply-To: <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 567 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VdquOwZKTr27Hf2hdg0A:9 a=CpcDMw4mFFWyokKx0MIA:7 a=V8Qyp7-2yKpLgHIFUAfKXIxM4hEA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=Ncb4_AzD_dlYCQm6:21 a=aOqDgW8YgqmbD45r:21 On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 18:56:30 +0000 (GMT) Dave Symes wrote: > On 10 Jan, dave@triffid.co.uk wrote: > > > There is obviously something amiss with the OvPro RTF Saving. > > Remember my quest back in January when getting Her indoors to use > OvPro instead of the Publisher thing. > > A sort of works around was used, put the OvPro.rtf into Abiword then > export as RTF which will load into Word okay. > > The problem has now become far worse. > Previously she was using sexless quotes, but now using OvPro has > taken to using sexed quotes. > > OvPro.Rtf makes a real mess up of it. > Oh it appears to have done the translation okay, but when loaded into > AbiWord, MSWord, etc the start quote/quotes are missing and the end > quote/quotes are the start quote/quotes way around. > > She is totally urinated off with the OvPro experience and has now gone > back to Imp Publisher. > > Anyone know what's going on here as I certainly don't. If you change !MakeRTF.!Runimage as below, handed double quotes handed single quotes and diphthongs will be replaced with simple equivalents. 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([91.84.183.6]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p25A18qQ027086 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2011 10:01:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 10:00:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Message-ID: <51af253ef3riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <7427e9ae51.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> <7427e9ae51.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 568 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kDvisL-p-0q4YtGZgucA:9 a=T7yfL6FObbcE2ZPIOPYA:7 a=GGCMtHH1tH3Z4jLIjLcIUda9GJwA:4 a=RlSzZyK7EX8Uxcod:21 a=BrRk2SXIYRL2NYVS:21 In article <7427e9ae51.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk>, Alan Adams wrote: [ . . . ] > All the quotes, single and double are not mangled, and I have to go > through and manually replace them. > It's caused by the different character encoding between Windows and > RISC OS - RISC OS uses Latin-1 while Windows uses some American > standard. The sexed quotes have different ASCII code numbers in the > different encodings, so come out as different characters. I have the same problem: some Word documents arrive correct, others with apostrophes wrong/absent and n/m-dashes just blank. Is it then that they're using a US default setting? (1) > I don't think disabling import of sexed quotes will help, as the > character codes are not the correct Latin-1 codes for sexed quotes. > One day I'll get sufficiently annoyed to write a text translator, > and it will be just as easy to make it reversible. Please do!! (1) This also applies to articles I download from a "ParishPump" syndication website: I'm given the option to download as a .doc file or as .txt - but invariably the apostrophes and quotes and dashes in the .txt files are wrong. I've never thought to download the .doc versions. I may raise this issue of standards in the forum, but would prefer to be certain of my facts! Michael Harding Rev. Preb. 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Sat, 5 Mar 2011 06:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from riscpc.o2.co.uk (93.97.148.139) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.119.05) (authenticated as mytardis@o2.co.uk) id 4D035EC312E14949 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 5 Mar 2011 11:21:09 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 11:06:25 GMT Message-ID: <86412baf51.chris@o2.co.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/6.20) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 569 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@noonehere.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=Pcw6SIVUAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=41VKDvU77DD2qAFqqrsA:9 a=GiH9VCLzcPTV6oWMm6wA:7 a=BYidfSY2Ej-qJwtWAQ50WkBVKgEA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=eDG2Q5mKOByt-lh4:21 a=gxf8LKsRBynb0Lhz:21 In message <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > On 10 Jan, dave@triffid.co.uk wrote: >> There is obviously something amiss with the OvPro RTF Saving. > Remember my quest back in January when getting Her indoors to use OvPro > instead of the Publisher thing. > A sort of works around was used, put the OvPro.rtf into Abiword then > export as RTF which will load into Word okay. > The problem has now become far worse. > Previously she was using sexless quotes, but now using OvPro has taken to > using sexed quotes. > OvPro.Rtf makes a real mess up of it. > Oh it appears to have done the translation okay, but when loaded into > AbiWord, MSWord, etc the start quote/quotes are missing and the end > quote/quotes are the start quote/quotes way around. > She is totally urinated off with the OvPro experience and has now gone > back to Imp Publisher. > Anyone know what's going on here as I certainly don't. You have smart quotes on by default in OPro. Goto Opro Icon and menu over it then Choices and under the TEXT tab is the option to turn off Smart Quotes, (remember to SAVE the change) Location of these smart quotes in different locations in the character sets. > Dave -- Chris Hughes Wakefield RISC OS Computer Show - 16th April 2011 http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 5 12:39:50 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PvqNL-1TmGPo-01-EJE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2011 12:39:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PvqNL-1TmGPo-01-EJE; Sat, 05 Mar 2011 12:14:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PvqNL-1TmGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Mar 2011 12:14:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PvqNH-0003jb-N0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Sat, 5 Mar 2011 07:14:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FE01DAB763 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2011 07:14:01 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,268,1297036800"; d="scan'208";a="488035297" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 05 Mar 2011 12:14:01 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017139A004 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2011 12:14:00 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 12:14:01 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <51af253ef3riscos@mdharding.org.uk> References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> <7427e9ae51.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <51af253ef3riscos@mdharding.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.66.4.3340 (Qt/4.6.2) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 570 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=Pcw6SIVUAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=SUMGgIzGaTwrVHyfbJwA:9 a=GeiWbMfabzgcHVuaEHgA:7 a=xlMJ6V3W6AVfehVOG-0fsvF3gMcA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=p7cQ2r5gQEZc6qxV:21 a=Jd99y44HRir5rSHI:21 On 5 Mar, M Harding wrote in message <51af253ef3riscos@mdharding.org.uk>: > In article <7427e9ae51.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk>, > Alan Adams wrote: > > > It's caused by the different character encoding between Windows and RISC > > OS - RISC OS uses Latin-1 while Windows uses some American standard. The > > sexed quotes have different ASCII code numbers in the different > > encodings, so come out as different characters. > > I have the same problem: some Word documents arrive correct, others with > apostrophes wrong/absent and n/m-dashes just blank. Is it then that > they're using a US default setting? (1) No. > > I don't think disabling import of sexed quotes will help, as the > > character codes are not the correct Latin-1 codes for sexed quotes. > > > One day I'll get sufficiently annoyed to write a text translator, and it > > will be just as easy to make it reversible. > > Please do!! These already exist. Wombat and ChangeTxt are two that spring to mind. > (1) This also applies to articles I download from a "ParishPump" > syndication website: I'm given the option to download as a .doc file or as > .txt - but invariably the apostrophes and quotes and dashes in the .txt > files are wrong. I've never thought to download the .doc versions. I may > raise this issue of standards in the forum, but would prefer to be certain > of my facts! I wouldn't bother, as RISC OS is just as much at fault as Windows. Neither RISCOS nor Windows use proper ISO 8859-1: the standard does not define characters between 128 and 159. Both RISC OS and Windows use those undefined characters for adding glyphs that are not in the Latin1 charset, but not surprisingly they each use them in their own non-standard ways. The characters on RISC OS that are affected include smart quotes and the various dashes. The solution to your problem is to download the .doc file, load it into Easi/TechWriter and export plain text from that. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show Saturday 16 April 2011 http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 5 12:40:00 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PvqTp-2kiGPo-08-ECk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2011 12:40:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PvqTp-2kiGPo-08-ECk; Sat, 05 Mar 2011 12:21:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PvqTp-2kiGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Mar 2011 12:21:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PvqTh-00060f-K6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Sat, 5 Mar 2011 07:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0C47DAB37F for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2011 07:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PvqTJ-0006fb-pU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 05 Mar 2011 12:20:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 12:19:17 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> <86412baf51.chris@o2.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <86412baf51.chris@o2.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 571 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=sScr6U9RAAAA:8 a=cFVgxdPbAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wK4dzvDLU99sO_2j1EIA:9 a=eDKTin9LQNYfsx6vF-0A:7 a=wjnOK3L5BdBd1FbL275AR2xAD14A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=uM05R_bXrMoA:10 a=SMhshsXvcj4A:10 a=xwFwUnEMfKlX5eSE:21 a=FRBmiXLURqBC5aWA:21 Hi, In message <86412baf51.chris@o2.co.uk>, Chris Hughes writes >You have smart quotes on by default in OPro. Goto Opro Icon and menu >over it then Choices and under the TEXT tab is the option to turn off >Smart Quotes, (remember to SAVE the change) Can I say that only changes text file import. I'd not quite taken in the importance of import from foreign file formats. Changing translation tables in various places is a good idea. Another idea would be to set up a bulk search / replace like the fluff applet, so you'd have one click before exporting. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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([91.84.183.6]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p25CnPIO030792 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2011 12:49:25 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 12:49:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and RTF Message-ID: <51af34b821riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51935bd024dave@triffid.co.uk> <1d133351f469772acee1f59db19a24c0.squirrel@webmail.plus.net> <519377660fdave@triffid.co.uk> <51aed27501dave@triffid.co.uk> <7427e9ae51.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <51af253ef3riscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 572 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HEfcM3SXe8QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Gsb6yxCStySViy87S7YA:9 a=ElqDRUC8xyjacSyN9T0A:7 a=gsp9ydXCCzBG3k4UcptFXkNcA88A:4 a=mYBbwHXze39XlIWN:21 a=0FXixeupdeHGsGpr:21 In article , Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 5 Mar, M Harding wrote in message > <51af253ef3riscos@mdharding.org.uk>: > > In article <7427e9ae51.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk>, > > Alan Adams wrote: [ . . . ] > > > I don't think disabling import of sexed quotes will help, as > > > the character codes are not the correct Latin-1 codes for sexed > > > quotes. > > > > > One day I'll get sufficiently annoyed to write a text > > > translator, and it will be just as easy to make it reversible. > > > > Please do!! > These already exist. Wombat and ChangeTxt are two that spring to > mind. I must explore. Thanks. > > (1) This also applies to articles I download from a "ParishPump" > > syndication website: I'm given the option to download as a .doc > > file or as .txt - but invariably the apostrophes and quotes and > > dashes in the .txt files are wrong. I've never thought to > > download the .doc versions. I may raise this issue of standards > > in the forum, but would prefer to be certain of my facts! > Neither RISCOS nor Windows use proper ISO 8859-1: the standard does > not define characters between 128 and 159. Both RISC OS and > Windows use those undefined characters for adding glyphs that are > not in the Latin1 charset, but not surprisingly they each use them > in their own non-standard ways. [ . . . ] > The solution to your problem is to download the .doc file, load it > into Easi/TechWriter and export plain text from that. Thanks for the advice. Michael Harding Rev. Preb. 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