From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 16 21:13:24 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PTKwH-4Kb000-04-8ew.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:13:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PTKwH-4Kb000-04-8ew; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:00:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PTKwH-4Kb000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:00:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PTKwC-0000Iv-QD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:00:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58CD1D56FF9; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:00:31 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292533231; bh=gxO/hgBsNRFoizmfszAGcKrnSnVXZH+850SxkpjG ah4=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=ILcUhmT4tZvSBvoB9hTMN9LYzCKb9 RmQjvnMf05iU1syxPmkBS33is2P0whKaePdlnnP6GHqD640bL3p6VKspB/lfdZ0UvGp BZN5HFbUQJSc1EKTmemKmJ04tdSjoCWSVPgvkLH6XHkfSj/xT5hjQTCvQqdwCADmTVd BCgfI9+w= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KxSjnY2ML81z; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDA09D56FA8; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:00:17 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292533230; bh=gxO/hgBsNRFoizmfszAGcKrnSnVXZH+850SxkpjG ah4=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=E+XIsQsl7j4t22vh0uIwRrOLgA2UJ lbFM79hR7obPj4aqjGuFxysuvl/atzVIw+pzRbu78fPsyVvlAEKVEuZI8Ai70AJf5L9 l4aXS/UnXRnWQrhnCRvB3648N3mu6Pc38y0bVfxIF1rcy56FioyeRAUZ6iUfEU4/BhG vU8rCE8Y= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:00:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B47BCD56FA3 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:00:17 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XsbNYdRRZdBf for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEFE8D56FA8 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 16:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PTKvt-0001yS-Z7 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:00:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:58:48 +0000 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OP Windows, MS Imagesetter, PostScript MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 351 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jZBglvO7KnsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=n_eLU78-g_p6N3b8PB8A:9 a=KrzDPOEkCS-KXSCL0zAA:7 a=Yzb4-wlLm0uQOq9vn1NSV_f9mdsA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=zbisPJBN_GQP_EhM:21 a=10batLpyVWXT3KfQ:21 Hi, I've often told people to use the MicroSoft Publisher Imagesetter printer driver (supplied with Windows) if they want to produce PostScript files. It's become apparent today that this driver does not produce valid PostScript files if you have Ovation Pro direct PostScript set to a PostScript level other than 1 and bitmap images with colour depth less than or equal to eight bits per pixel. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 17 16:32:47 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PTdDB-17Mknw-01-Fxa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:32:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PTdDB-17Mknw-01-Fxa; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:31:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PTdDB-17Mknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:31:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PTdD7-0001k0-K1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:31:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3FA4D57328; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:31:09 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292603469; bh=bbSapc4y7yLkQBHyQAWwN2Z/sZcRopW8BtTdOloa kAI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=m7j865Zh4X48MxveiGXL6b3YLbvN0 AwG2gLH2hl+HEZcKHocYyKwx+YKLpv8GuVXP4XySxW3lc6H1HehZsMx5gSrXqvdshMT DRbfeiy8d5SR+RCc855EyBMPNr7ctiRB54th4kmz7VHvvAX/EARVi1xppzPG4kqGlzj rYZNqvcY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gwyGmXhbI9Tc; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:31:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0011D570AD; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:30:55 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292603468; bh=bbSapc4y7yLkQBHyQAWwN2Z/sZcRopW8BtTdOloa kAI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type: Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe: List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=GaAlQpYff0C4J3HHEnVSOHj6+HTBK Xq8VwtYDJKvjjPEmrkU/M7B4BdWcDtPvPrEyyn2RcTGQmtFt3GF2Fhoje1YK4yKWzw1 oG+3XJVTKmuoo8hd/Z6Uz3Jy0/cQqsXRGT4Nb81BImK5k+StCA2v6W/7hnexTRQk0Is 2rpqk6b8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:30:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4F46D570D0 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:30:55 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uqTk8XEog-ec for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5018ED570AD for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.177.18]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBHGUWYn015088 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:30:35 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:30:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Fonts Message-ID: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 352 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=zYnKDgOltqIl9HX9C6AA:9 a=Lk88ojjU6DfrzldjSe8A:7 a=u8JgFEdcOYZMP1IcDA4PT3eBRdQA:4 'Tis a darn shame there isn't something like EFFTTT to transwhatever a RISCOS font to a TTF. Moving as we do from RO OvPro to Win OvPro we often encounter the Font problem, and in many cases there just isn't a TTF that's a good enough or suitable substitute. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 17 17:02:48 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PTdU1-1ryknw-04-Fgk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:02:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PTdU1-1ryknw-04-Fgk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:48:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PTdU1-1ryknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:48:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PTdTx-0004Va-QN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:48:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 312FAD5956C; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:48:35 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292604515; bh=AwpEpXD6b/RtC5oq3/Aymc1qfsE6p7ovVpqo4TuJ 5sw=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=imXebgjJ5/ot6mkOqyWtWU8yKNZwP+t65hfii8639m5EtOlef7 qz+KfBcz228KgxVCP40OOZrx2N76owt9b5xCbZFG8kfCbIkwkimcEce6ie5nsQvnuRm J0LTG9SSrYuyvonfZ1ykpKqTvNzw1Sbw2I4uBBhox3N+V6P3vRSF5I= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2wbYsyAo2yHl; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9462FD59347; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:48:21 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292604514; bh=AwpEpXD6b/RtC5oq3/Aymc1qfsE6p7ovVpqo4TuJ 5sw=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=RpzKley5MiHJy1UFOMtVDYwqgd7uDVQwvuDM1Np6kENys1JUYa JDsejJIbBzhRRZ1sCC/bEYEkC7Niro+28fcVth6ayB3kNQKodL7iUpK84Js9ZmF8Wnu z6v0fcgl17RhUS/VLOEI6MGbzOOyxS7Xhlcyo5Z+gn/z4rE/VCEj4s= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:48:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F5FED59566 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:48:21 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RAkTPYGmxbqB for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:48:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98B4FD59347 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PTdTf-0002pv-lt for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:48:19 +0000 Message-ID: <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:46:51 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts References: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 353 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=usPYel350jyioCL3sFcA:9 a=mIPlupeztlrvUTIf31QA:7 a=CSayrDVjFqCRTu9BPSYIx0T3kvEA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=5mJTJpOAGaxXhrPs:21 a=kYR_poTw0oi191Lz:21 Hi, In message <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >'Tis a darn shame there isn't something like EFFTTT to transwhatever a >RISCOS font to a TTF. I feel I've been in this situation before. The first thing that springs to mind is to use the Windows ability to use PostScript format fonts. You can see that you're almost there because the PostScript printer drivers on RISC OS are converting fonts to PostScript. Then we usually have a discussion about whose version of Dr. Fonty can save fonts as PostScript. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:00:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (178-26-93-129-dynip.superkabel.de [178.26.93.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MXCaX-1PzK5O1Hwj-00WoBl; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:00:51 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:27:32 +0100 Message-ID: References: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:7xWl/SdZhZH2F4epMEw2x8hXBohsHKLndUymeRVp3H2 rozohzRpz4wLQyIZB9E7Ukh1Sv5oad3mZJz7ccTIWQZbolVB7O eBFd8fwZ9BWbnx1E9WtH/PDRBWUWH/HGX/w7mceiWVCKGuo5Or uHBBkDHnChC0HMTX1woOwCFTNONxq4hcB/dGcz/aulW93onmeD CyvTjBJ/CZLaeXKU7QIzw== X-archive-position: 354 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=UiHvSpAEqpMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=K9ERONUm1JOzwp1Oy9MA:9 a=LJnsL7qIkHQmBmInX_4A:7 a=Kd58vK0TxZxP67oCP9iuegrqhucA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=teQL71jH5gl6j1-w:21 a=M10VK8vO6J5SMU8b:21 In message <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes >>'Tis a darn shame there isn't something like EFFTTT to transwhatever a >>RISCOS font to a TTF. > I feel I've been in this situation before. > The first thing that springs to mind is to use the Windows ability to > use PostScript format fonts. You can see that you're almost there > because the PostScript printer drivers on RISC OS are converting fonts > to PostScript. Correct in principle, but there is some fine print: First of all, the Acorn PostScript driver converts RISC OS fonts to Type-3 fonts, and those have nothing in common with the PostScript Type-1 flavour that is supported by Windows. The commercial PostScript 3 driver does convert RISC OS fonts to Type-1 fonts, but there is no easy way to extract them from the PostScript stream and package them in a way Windows can understand. The most likely approach would be to create a PDF file from the output of the PostScript 3 driver and then use some Windows tool to extract the embedded font from the PDF file. I cannot name such a utility but I would be very surprised if there was not such a tool, probably there is more than one. Finally, it is worth noting that high quality RISC OS fonts (most notably, EFF fonts) often come complete with PostScript Type-1 files, just not exactly in the format required by Windows. Any decent font editor should be able to convert the fonts to the required format. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 17 18:47:51 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PTf7G-2MEknw-07-E3V.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:47:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PTf7G-2MEknw-07-E3V; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:33:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PTf7G-2MEknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:33:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PTf7D-0001G5-Cm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:33:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F145FD59091; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:33:12 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292610793; bh=rNp28lIGDDcqP1L8v8EE2OgYIP9PSTt2/QS5y10f 8lM=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=pdvzns0DrYNem5Ajsudu95C3MihIwehw8WTZ/2vQFRY5TqdBsn xb9Yp6DOAIgXPaaiWQqzS1DNsI29tOLjb470clFpn9KTyHb/se0DLiFtozfJn8Ov3X5 W0NoNU4IJVgeck53Z93Ee+ZuQAA3fD/U4c/31YlyjVgf/79TyuCADU= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vwIr7UNdXr-h; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:33:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37956D56BEA; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:32:59 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292610792; bh=rNp28lIGDDcqP1L8v8EE2OgYIP9PSTt2/QS5y10f 8lM=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=JmNjuAo15itA0FTrswO3uZ9uVHob1fNx1EJVzUwLHDGCGKSG/u 1lFWC2rStl65Tptd215xew0izQzDuZtCmah4F6wWU4yz7NY+Fma9LaadmONqvnnrkYo 3uYs/kPYQOIyVU2Pdx53bdOqHjAsxMUgBA49MUtADwDyKf4dvN8Od8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:32:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10267D56E16 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:32:59 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NPlpAE4fpRmr for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:32:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CAD7D56BEA for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PTf6u-0000gb-o0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:32:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:31:21 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts References: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 355 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=e_-sWxpjM2XKVV94QqsA:9 a=nc4mIbArvGKm-x_8_NQA:7 a=gpsi5hZFPAdlEQn_iHswVAdhKR0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=RWc3r4mKN7hl2nTW:21 a=mT0-AKasXuBurEq7:21 Hi, In message , Martin Wuerthner writes >The most likely approach would be to create a PDF file from the output >of the PostScript 3 driver and then use some Windows tool to extract >the embedded font from the PDF file. I cannot name such a utility but >I would be very surprised if there was not such a tool, probably there >is more than one. In fact Google auto-suggest prompts you: extract fonts from pdf I'm pleased to see that when I type my name Google no longer suggests "arrested by police". >Finally, it is worth noting that high quality RISC OS fonts (most >notably, EFF fonts) often come complete with PostScript Type-1 files, >just not exactly in the format required by Windows. Any decent font >editor should be able to convert the fonts to the required format. Is there a name for this conversion? There do seem to be type 3 to type 1 conversion programs in existence. By mentioning the PostScript output I meant it was something that could be done, or not very difficult. Does PostScript level 3 have an advantage for PDF font extraction that level 2 and 1 don't. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. 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UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 17 19:32:53 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PTftT-27xknw-02-DHI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:32:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PTftT-27xknw-02-DHI; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:23:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PTftT-27xknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:23:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PTftM-00056E-AE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:23:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A52FD596FD; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:22:16 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292613736; bh=LqCqU/ADiRNDGm2kHUdCd/wlanpRYAcf5uffYo1C BlA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=aDv0wF ZYsE3vVIK8jBlK6BjsHI5n/6kYcuKZwWYY2GfS1MrRvhuRtJoUKJLSRKiwJy6mofiqW cj6igSsezRpGB95Mpw3NV8O5FAall7zFoO9IwNK1PGP+sKCAl2CfyYNkcsHrynFMMYo 3qlws0RHmix6SThrJrXfqw2C8SFuThY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mNtxpntNh76A; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:22:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDD6AD59636; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:22:02 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292613735; bh=LqCqU/ADiRNDGm2kHUdCd/wlanpRYAcf5uffYo1C BlA=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=NMkbHq POuIJkxV9sa73aSjW98D3LYxsR0PukQynJglsbmLqOM8yvS128f+45Kn+cKobXlpE8d 5tobA8fTsCApbulM1En85ZUhCmkhw6JBaBVG8JXy7eygAu3C2AUsu8WHsPAALTirZJa WBSGOgBWlWnU74/6KnGsilxK6cFymAY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:22:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95E34D596FD for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:22:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Ngr1SW5weQV for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84155D59636 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.188.110]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBHJLWhv021093 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:21:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:15:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <51872cdd6ddave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 356 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OktPZR0P64OJdVCqC1oA:9 a=4KRzebyJB_0h18d0Z6sA:7 a=oPRaY9AU-oBy09gzWgb10fR3Qu8A:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: [Snippy way over my head] > Finally, it is worth noting that high quality RISC OS fonts (most > notably, EFF fonts) often come complete with PostScript Type-1 files, > just not exactly in the format required by Windows. Any decent font > editor should be able to convert the fonts to the required format. > Martin That was my first port of call when Fay brought the problem to me, unfortunately the particular font in question at the moment, "George" is not there, and though I've spent some time on the Google trail, I can't seem to find anything similar on the PC side. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 17 19:32:53 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PTftq-0tQ000-01-DGv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:32:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PTftq-0tQ000-01-DGv; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:23:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PTftq-0tQ000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:23:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PTftm-0005T3-Le for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:23:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3091AD59718; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:22:19 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292613739; bh=hxOQIAkjuSV+C49yX4rAbjeRjKZFdENEzJKHEaHt Uv0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=XNe7hI Sop9IGHhme1KgRfUdgOFLwssmATp0GJK5UtTXr44YSsLiJwTYfdLwAq/uC8C62TQyTO +LiEi809Dd2q9B842DpPChJIrBKV8aG+Y+YYA30SWbLyl3SU8iF+dNJx6hhhzojrOQm k/G3EW/pBXhXsATXx0H127JRxVU9+78= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kTg0IphpDVNO; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:22:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0F45D59703; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:22:04 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292613737; bh=hxOQIAkjuSV+C49yX4rAbjeRjKZFdENEzJKHEaHt Uv0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=RXaGWS js7v2g/JEQX+SKRuHac6OWVXHu73R54OJXm1FG2eJWQIhjAbwn6HVyUKYZr9oKCmJcX 1H/Lbun5PEQxc0KhExHr3+P3bmIA4Zdv0qLlLBkroiuMSbcOAPd9UJ0pBfxZp2X2Jl6 HvZQ/cus/EhNe1DcDpY6hpNJKRJg/1E= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:22:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C876ED59519 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:22:04 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dJCppKCC9Zju for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30B1DD59703 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:22:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.188.110]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBHJLWhx021093 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:21:35 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:20:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <51872d44dbdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 357 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Qti7CnXB6MWtXUVx4T4A:9 a=aoCVbuSagO4GdSFkpYwA:7 a=El_V3Jkh5pwsGJbNg5ELDIMLMBoA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=GxZJNY0A2FWh_I7a:21 a=vdiHSAgQQpbJE4hP:21 In article <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >'Tis a darn shame there isn't something like EFFTTT to transwhatever a > >RISCOS font to a TTF. > I feel I've been in this situation before. > The first thing that springs to mind is to use the Windows ability to > use PostScript format fonts. You can see that you're almost there > because the PostScript printer drivers on RISC OS are converting fonts > to PostScript. > Then we usually have a discussion about whose version of Dr. Fonty can > save fonts as PostScript. Good thoughts Mr P., unfortunately Been there, done that etc in the past, and again earlier today and have *never* ever managed to get anything out of Font Fiend or Dr Fonty that was usable in a PC. Dave PS: Fay's problem font is called "George" and it contains four weights. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 17 21:17:58 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PThfL-1q7Vbs-02-BVQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:17:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PThfL-1q7Vbs-02-BVQ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:16:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PThfL-1q7Vbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:16:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PThfK-0005rU-AU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:16:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA6AED595DD; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:16:36 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292620596; bh=niSW1SCpAtuZDJHOezEQSIJ3iAZAUUNTHr3eldex 8NA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=J/ta81yOzX6gcfe7IwRYsYHzJt9Qjw4kTn8zc/ocSCwFoUAQIv r37M3ROz1c/TMmvK6w0eYSU7UDZCUHAAxV+QSPCbfJxNYTVniyJdX92Vfr6jUDaoclK Zq9K1iTMzFrgtainou2X6yxFgkO6D/095UGBCJReWiWD8B20sYnkTc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YG8qs1JQAdo1; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CC9ED5951A; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:16:23 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292620595; bh=niSW1SCpAtuZDJHOezEQSIJ3iAZAUUNTHr3eldex 8NA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=nM2L4IMP3AIt7aZWr9uVsoqsbFw+GziK2bOysO0f4yAEKcNCHU /I0mQuPIyT6bjzO5j9ZMTSWbdIm4g1UmGsBXFBGx2bKE4Ocz76wfx/9mLH+jUIX2GzI f5fd9uVfdDojK7wcwKKkYpQZvMzBMIbhwnwXjxrTPMIp0NuYjBuYq4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:16:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECCADD5951D for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:16:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id snIEtvnO2R2s for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FFC5D5951A for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:16:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PThf1-0003GW-XP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:16:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:15:11 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts References: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51872d44dbdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51872d44dbdave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 358 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4ECW_P_L7h3k0FxEmugA:9 a=FS9w346oPGdjwNhyiIAA:7 a=AqB1Hy4RLRsModXeMS5l3f22Hm0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=ApLFYPyubK7ieDZ0:21 a=xUoIdH-qQdDgHNpk:21 Hi, In message <51872d44dbdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >PS: Fay's problem font is called "George" and it contains four weights. Presumably this is a RISC OS font called "George" and no relation to all the Windows fonts of that name. Perhaps someone would like to prove that Dr. Fonty etc. can produce useful output. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 17 21:47:57 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PThwG-2QeVbs-02-BEV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:47:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PThwG-2QeVbs-02-BEV; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:34:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PThwG-2QeVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:34:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PThw9-0001Ew-57 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:34:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B60ECD59522; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:33:58 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292621638; bh=2GhUbE/03y7w6GCQwjYntmMQup4RVH2nVVSOD4Sk lnk=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=BQIcyw 6f0jSpKQkU8aDKkabowFMutiUT+ctMuqPjXqeE3xCRvxxbMg7yf+hMDkw8IKBeVQcn1 lCTww6K4sgFJS/oJUK3QSvIFF7OEvS9bzP61SSFKFB5/zk71t0blkKuiEO/3KpvhV0t wLtR3ouQvd+dlX5kwRAvBOvRSfAkZ+w= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xmyNmCNVglYv; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2B52D59279; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:33:44 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292621637; bh=2GhUbE/03y7w6GCQwjYntmMQup4RVH2nVVSOD4Sk lnk=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=VQnnek o7AJMyilNI+acfSQ1ecHQEF+02LER+t7e7mdmmjMLCbZ/iWjL0F/T6mJZk5jY3VpnBP ouLy4xZ2wmyfVTDPGzbqpu/oQxDYBqqJdO9IlQHk0SRmfGvC1Se/eutWEVFtT6C3qE3 uO7TVXtiCvQD9DTkEvp+tAb5lkAwAE8= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:33:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94DABD5927C for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:33:44 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mf945dv3duCW for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:33:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DC90D59279 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.188.110]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBHLXQIC023187 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:33:27 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:33:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <51873977d2dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51872cdd6ddave@triffid.co.uk> References: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51872cdd6ddave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 359 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8MVpJ5ukyMcx9OVtbcUA:9 a=s6g61QQuFcNslJbOHlcA:7 a=E4MI5TWYP21_rFFbb44iLLXDw6EA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 On 17 Dec, dave@triffid.co.uk wrote: [Snippy] > That was my first port of call when Fay brought the problem to me, > unfortunately the particular font in question at the moment, "George" is > not there, and though I've spent some time on the Google trail, I can't > seem to find anything similar on the PC side. > Dave Having gone bog eyed looking through a zillion TTF files online I've found one "Architecture.ttf" that's 95% close enough for her. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 17 22:17:58 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PTiQm-4X1000-05-Ajz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:17:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PTiQm-4X1000-05-Ajz; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:05:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PTiQm-4X1000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:05:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PTiQg-0003uu-LM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:05:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89630D595C5; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:05:27 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292623527; bh=B6uo8MGsQcXaV7tyeztR5BpTeZsd6nsh1WSRligl C90=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=lyoRyT VYNBFkz9QpMBM+VQTqW1frTiZWY8vfg06Xu2vrBgLmNQiL4L9FYRwhHc18bdHHFRYJl q1xrYkvlD3vbrcPWdcTeUMM6qh2TlUQJ45BOFG4g7y4CpctxKhwmgLh/lu1NSdulUY2 xuSt9yprzNb2W43Q5R2SIt4n/bOgzmk= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pT-Me6Ih49YP; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21A50D594B9; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:05:13 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292623526; bh=B6uo8MGsQcXaV7tyeztR5BpTeZsd6nsh1WSRligl C90=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=WsAtDO YzOvcbLTg0GCnpqMWyISIWBhaUtLMVIUZSOPtswAWiX7ObNK6X87USPotDIaUimpAqT nTd7ssafIwAtbjYk0a6VfBfj6T8hTHk8HdXxX+Hx88INBc/BSv669Ex2HvI0XBIZDWw NodUmlnkvOY16MVYwcxvMVXS2y1rDMY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:05:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF99DD5951D for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:05:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AMu6yqLimMzw for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5617D594B9 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:05:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.188.110]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBHM4sho023688 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:04:55 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:52:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <51873b3092dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51872d44dbdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 360 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xUyuozXsfsXOENXGLDgA:9 a=GnTla7KNpy6y2KFj7twA:7 a=kYT6VyonR3l06Ek3QnC_3mQeGyoA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=Ivqu63Mzm9-Egido:21 a=31g7ZQ0bd_CSC29S:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <51872d44dbdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >PS: Fay's problem font is called "George" and it contains four weights. > Presumably this is a RISC OS font called "George" and no relation to all > the Windows fonts of that name. > Perhaps someone would like to prove that Dr. Fonty etc. can produce > useful output. All I can say is... The George named fonts I've seen PC side look nothing like the RO George font. Maybe others know differently. If anyone wants to see what George looks like, I've put both George and architecture at: http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/gfont.zip Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 18 11:52:31 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PTkA3-30zknw-05-90i.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 11:52:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PTkA3-30zknw-05-90i; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 23:56:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PTkA3-30zknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 23:56:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PTkA0-0004OV-1k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 23:56:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55F29D595D1; 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Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-msapost-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-msapost-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.166]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 160DFD595B5 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=[10.0.0.3]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtpsa (AUTH newble.demon.co.uk) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) id 1PTk9i-0007g9-mt for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2010 23:56:10 +0000 Message-Id: From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: <51873b3092dave@triffid.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 23:56:09 +0000 References: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51872d44dbdave@triffid.co.uk> <51873b3092dave@triffid.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-archive-position: 361 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=kyC9H__DAAAA:8 a=nabXyLOjAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=l-XmzgtVG_rcawf1aVAA:9 a=T2LOnFyks2jcrH-jy9cA:7 a=uCcJe_asFhGud748hP7XPtXw_tkA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=FCqsTAL9W9wA:10 On 17 Dec 2010, at 9.52 p.m., Dave Symes wrote: > If anyone wants to see what George looks like, I've put both George > and > architecture at: > > http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/gfont.zip This is a rip-off (not a very good one, because it contains only 81 glyphs) of the 'estrecha fina' (condensed light) weight of Carlos Winkow's typeface 'Electra' (c.1940) Two digital versions I can find, from CastleType and Font Bureau: CastleType Carlos Light (http://castletype.com/html/tipoteca/carlos-light.html ) Font Bureau Romeo Medium Condensed (http://www.fontbureau.com/fonts/Romeo/ ) To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 18 11:52:43 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PTt8N-2DyVbs-02-8Yu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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list davidpilling); Sat, 18 Dec 2010 04:31:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C5B5D594D0 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 04:31:02 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BzCLPtPTF1nz for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 04:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8FCDD5941D for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 04:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.188.120]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBI9UePx001656 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:30:42 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 06:30:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <51876aa4b3dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> <51872d44dbdave@triffid.co.uk> <51873b3092dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 362 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=kyC9H__DAAAA:8 a=nabXyLOjAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=u13vgs1KhgkVkjph9jkA:9 a=uzLiXsU_fGOeu2zhfwwA:7 a=guD7iLrIM811rgDUnZHrr09j_T0A:4 a=FCqsTAL9W9wA:10 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 a=ByA1N_ui1zBzSR-c:21 a=LxwZAXh1MZUOS-EM:21 In article , Peter Newble wrote: > On 17 Dec 2010, at 9.52 p.m., Dave Symes wrote: > > If anyone wants to see what George looks like, I've put both George > > and > > architecture at: > > > > http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/gfont.zip > This is a rip-off (not a very good one, because it contains only 81 > glyphs) of the 'estrecha fina' (condensed light) weight of Carlos > Winkow's typeface 'Electra' (c.1940) > Two digital versions I can find, from CastleType and Font Bureau: > CastleType Carlos Light http://castletype.com/html/tipoteca/carlos-light.html > ) > Font Bureau Romeo Medium Condensed (http://www.fontbureau.com/fonts/Romeo/ > ) > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling Thanks for that Peter, someone else posted me overnight and we discovered that problem among a couple of others. Trust Fay to use some crap font ;-) Cheers Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 18 12:52:30 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PTwEp-02eknw-06-Dyy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 12:52:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PTwEp-02eknw-06-Dyy; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 12:50:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PTwEp-02eknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 12:50:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PTwEj-0004ZT-4l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 12:50:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34033D57447; 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Sat, 18 Dec 2010 07:49:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A746D56E75 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 07:49:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (178-26-93-129-dynip.superkabel.de [178.26.93.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MYtjH-1Pzc6422AF-00VAZz; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 13:49:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 13:39:13 +0100 Message-ID: <58628c8751.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:moT+fp0pzEz+FzZjBGrO0f3mtscvzlmFvH6SvKZLDpg 0CyNMP+zQha3q4VX+pVHN5rDv4bhYxCesC4nI2MzSJ2Enf0j12 LMSBHbZD8lR2OWJ2ugShzvXOQnGsAOEQqTsAJsXWANUKcsKbSh qxjgEWL8Y5ck6wQXzlOKYCzueUzn5Lwq3WQ2Nf1+34buhO64NY Z3ToPpqSPxYcSVOiR6XiQ== X-archive-position: 364 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=UiHvSpAEqpMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Z9gzqVS19rZ14hpaZrEA:9 a=hqp8fZx39S8oIQ2C5voA:7 a=GUSsp4BLU7CnlGETuQuErPYSAR0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=teaYuO6zwEAYMFIG:21 a=0L0XK7VmKEg26Kjd:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Martin Wuerthner > writes >>Finally, it is worth noting that high quality RISC OS fonts (most >>notably, EFF fonts) often come complete with PostScript Type-1 files, >>just not exactly in the format required by Windows. Any decent font >>editor should be able to convert the fonts to the required format. > Is there a name for this conversion? Yes. The PostScript Type-1 font you sometimes find alongside RISC OS fonts is in AFM/PFA format. Windows needs PFM/PFB format. So, you need to be able to convert from AFM to PFM and from PFA to PFB. Or, more simply, you need a font editor that can import AFM/PFA fonts (or maybe even RISC OS outline fonts). Any Windows font editor should be able to save PFM/PFB fonts for use with Windows, so that part is easy. There was a newsgroup thread about this titled "RiscOS to Windoze font conversion - help!" in comp.sys.acorn.apps in March. 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Sat, 18 Dec 2010 07:49:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.9]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 798B2D56D64 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 07:49:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (178-26-93-129-dynip.superkabel.de [178.26.93.129]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MWgo7-1PxPAe0N8l-00XMRL; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 13:49:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 13:25:16 +0100 Message-ID: <621b8b8751.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:cY5TlHKgo2SzGGKUr7AFqkIbY4+AHP6r4lp+NlMdQGr 3ZecYAWnYYos+ToffBV1s5dgELeUt8WopexkrZ7ALgjd5kCSBd 8hH/q9EWaua2MIBKzL+01GjkYyUcAmNCtXPCEntvoQ7H7PSu9R 6CBwAK1hF+hyKZ2fWK5gYDm130qxDjZCTlyXLNF1BM5xqlQ650 Jr2gIp1X8GYY3j5HikVjQ== X-archive-position: 363 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=UiHvSpAEqpMA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=6bw8GXLqaNHBMaTEnNcA:9 a=BOwiYQpkV0lDJy0TP34A:7 a=WWOKCmNPf8Z8SWe6BqwiiaVqCC0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=21D-0wdrX9UPiZNJ:21 a=3kKaty1-x8JV5Xve:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > Does PostScript level 3 have an advantage for PDF font extraction that > level 2 and 1 don't. Not PostScript 3 per se, but our RISC OS PostScript 3 driver embeds fonts in Type-1 format (John wrote most of that code), which is almost exactly what other OSes can use natively, whereas the Acorn level 1/2 driver embeds them in Type-3 format, which is rather different. When converting to PDF the fonts remain in the format they were in in the PostScript file - mostly, that is, because some versions of Ghostscript even convert text in Type-3 fonts to bitmaps. When starting from a font with an associated Type1 file, e.g., so-called EFF Publisher fonts, the result is the same no matter which driver is used. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 18 14:37:34 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PTxsv-1mGknw-02-CKs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:37:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PTxsv-1mGknw-02-CKs; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:35:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PTxsv-1mGknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:35:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PTxsn-0000hZ-An for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:35:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BE90D5958D; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:35:34 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292682934; bh=9InDcuQKjNt+21idXA7kCfNTubgPP8uTpe4aLTh0 eLE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=rLyO2VLajCZB6d2kPUcwC0NkilQw8iUTc+Z/PVzmYmlvXjG+jr +KlQAuI0q3mlOyLBXimW8R1wSf/mNPiZdUqCf6pT9DbMruBj6H0mL6Xkgr+en8s1Kow WxkZzde8MmfSEsghTcp2IjKSfGFQMCT6V8XR6dDP2rWMYjOnUNjDSA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F6N0afxM1xk1; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1042BD57113; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:35:20 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292682932; bh=9InDcuQKjNt+21idXA7kCfNTubgPP8uTpe4aLTh0 eLE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=MUO4QM0LQOm+KnriKOP5gLkRe0cmtTVhDhnARWVhqLQqMyYcY7 1cloXxlORjUmFJMUVI2i7bPoEEZRAOQpzMB6clTewpAJCxE01O+H2+QNHi0u4CmfY/1 rlPXXiAQiNmycubOafKUSaBPxOa2qvpwrPMbIAdeZRxTFlAgFZR7yE= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:35:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD10DD5710C for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:35:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N6g2Uaj9RbAL for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 471FED594C1 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PTxsK-0001xt-jj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:35:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:33:59 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts References: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> <621b8b8751.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <621b8b8751.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 365 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=iVrAqghFAAAA:20 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4W9UL4hVZjdIQs4FYfUA:9 a=MaQ4hyaj6OGDLarRNMQA:7 a=APohSu8D-87nTQ3zuaqFIXYIpjAA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=hqADa960VzUcp-KI:21 a=nY0u5aU0GWV9xiye:21 Hi, Thanks for the replies Martin. The discussion earlier this year is at: https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.acorn.apps/browse_thread/thread/ 226444ce1f66c1b2/65667ed7bd73b449?hl=en&q=RiscOS+to+Windoze+font+conversi on+-+help!%22+in++comp.sys.acorn.apps&lnk=ol& I was involved in that episode, but I'd forgotten all about it. Summary: there is an open source program for Windows "Font Forge" that claims to be able to load Acorn fonts and output other formats. You need FontFiend V 2.44 on RISC OS. Mostly it is amusing because of the belligerence of the participants. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 18 18:52:42 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PU1os-1sbknw-05-GvR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 18:52:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PU1os-1sbknw-05-GvR; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 18:47:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PU1os-1sbknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 18:47:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PU1op-0007Ok-Ky for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 18:47:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A7E4D59159; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 13:47:45 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292698065; bh=hJXQ9XTaaCPK1c5grgVpSpaYkQkvWtNo1yHK196L iHQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=f49Ux9 dtye67okEOUlv57MRrmnpf7kBSTlkpSoTJlAZCPkmbEpguIGqAhpUVuXvbpWq6EXxYm CQMUg90RE3h0AkCM5I/hvODvzPVfKC1VwyGRs1k6VefmMNEneE4X8Ezj3qCUzr+Zd7f 92I+4VwsXlsR6FGiXW7VKfOtOk0eCCg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qWSR08QQkh0T; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 13:47:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD8F5D5849D; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 13:47:31 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292698064; bh=hJXQ9XTaaCPK1c5grgVpSpaYkQkvWtNo1yHK196L iHQ=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=TDS3HJ /WlUCgXz+WGDIV4I3xiDbQSSPKvlV1ta3DZ2R2V0FOMYiwFAfl1Eq8sR6LOexUTZ7j5 mXWIXhmp3c2ETbayDdmzBVEtxBjnB5OWDUSWGcHONnz+ZDyBzPlqZjum6tPXG1vxaoF 0YfiSISXckiVYe5315Pwu0D3V99EG0Q= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 18 Dec 2010 13:47:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABF33D5896D for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 13:47:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0jujOyvA6if7 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 13:47:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07A7CD5849D for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 13:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.170.15]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBIIl9du010732 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 18:47:10 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 18:47:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <5187ae140edave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> <621b8b8751.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 366 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=iVrAqghFAAAA:20 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=QN62B3z4IvFFIP0wceoA:9 a=Cug0ApQFNrq5lcLyCacA:7 a=j-gwNDsjbhT8Oz_rwOXWqKNvEyQA:4 a=RafF4Y4nysi65M9R:21 a=evwrVmnHy1cwmXwg:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Thanks for the replies Martin. > The discussion earlier this year is at: > https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.acorn.apps/browse_thread/thread/ > 226444ce1f66c1b2/65667ed7bd73b449?hl=en&q=RiscOS+to+Windoze+font+conversi > on+-+help!%22+in++comp.sys.acorn.apps&lnk=ol& > I was involved in that episode, but I'd forgotten all about it. Summary: > there is an open source program for Windows "Font Forge" that claims to > be able to load Acorn fonts and output other formats. You need FontFiend > V 2.44 on RISC OS. > Mostly it is amusing because of the belligerence of the participants. That link appears to be dead Mr P. Trying to work things between RO and Windows is enough to make Steam come out of our ears... I've looked at Font Forge a few times, but as it stands it's an impossible mess to install... If I wanted all that Linux type installation Poo, I'd be using the Ubuntu machine I have... But I don't. I just want a whatever.exe to install on a Win machine, and off we go. So, if anyone can point me at a Font Forge instant installer, I'd appreciate it. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 18 19:52:45 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PU2jY-15EVbs-01-G0l.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:52:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PU2jY-15EVbs-01-G0l; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:46:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PU2jY-15EVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:46:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PU2jV-0005me-5E for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:46:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3F7AD59512; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:46:18 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292701579; bh=7/Qnpp4ASZ6T7lxfUy9IcKIoEGPSJaanSmLa6acK m+w=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=LDOWW/ ACgzmNKbJy/zZSzoTugcFgK3k1Rx2OVWCFcoJCAsEL03BTZBgj6xLEwAyv91CNwKgP8 PSb9G/S7b6xFplFC1TCNMczn2ox6wwccKteATwdxOW4CJZqa17jyx0Ie5shMbApVxsl qh8XUl4j0wrJWDaDgJXmPL9NnSglxME= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8-wJAQy+G2nE; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D948D5946C; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:46:05 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292701578; bh=7/Qnpp4ASZ6T7lxfUy9IcKIoEGPSJaanSmLa6acK m+w=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=sk+ugH huTF7QUF4x7dRtF9ACtvR/OHZmOr0F/WmxHVpmkmDCwGuxzMI9S/MJIhxzl1kuDJjH4 xvKxp2OYhfNRjvub0NIHmuHLP4QqMHaFLxz4lg3PyyPX+28O81yUQP5zTxPeTocyhh8 BbqzVhrgS4yAzxnsRUb6nyGao6szcls= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:46:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 286B6D59476 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:46:05 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p1ScQJ3vFgze for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC69FD5946C for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.170.15]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBIJjio5011655 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:45:45 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:45:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <5187b37239dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <51876aa4b3dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <51876aa4b3dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 367 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Mfojl0W3xGkliDvoSIcA:9 a=zE8aI2jRIZFBTf0HpRkA:7 a=TnHAmjyZI7mWYsLG3xy-a1Q2k9gA:4 a=Kd1z2StgHaf52tXk:21 a=R3MI9mLnqAlsKX6E:21 An interesting aside to this and my previous forays into RO/TTF font translations a while back... It has become apparent just how fragile the RO Font manager I'm using is, Easy Font Pro (5.11), as on a number of occasions now, adding a new font has caused the thing to scan and accept the font as okay, but at some point later crash and die in such a way it's neither repairable or recoverable, requiring deletion and then new copy from a backup. I managed to totally destroy EFP four times during this last few days. I now have quite a number of Fonts in the ...!Boot.Resources.!Fonts that really mess with EFP, but are perfectly okay when use from within RO !Fonts. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 18 21:07:46 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PU3p5-2JY000-03-EvE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 21:07:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PU3p5-2JY000-03-EvE; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 20:56:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PU3p5-2JY000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 20:56:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PU3p2-0003QE-LL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 20:56:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21946D590F1; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:56:03 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292705763; bh=CD3M2A7N9Zhg5z8sLVct0nf6ng3dXuiXZsQOPUU+ P7w=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Vbi3+UZZhlmShOGT8avMQyUoCxWvTcohSbBpjwsGyoO/kwRLTk ZgfixB4EiomSsq+3b7t3p1eELvIVrd5re0k/sD9f8iczQ+hGlAzdAB209le5xsANIpN ntFsHUUZ4JSEh/0vs+H3QxifYGoy6pH+8atLmEfth5fkfEwXIqfUtg= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HzPcCgxkcUad; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A8DAD56C3B; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:55:49 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292705762; bh=CD3M2A7N9Zhg5z8sLVct0nf6ng3dXuiXZsQOPUU+ P7w=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=FKK8QtbRuiAGFkiYknOi7pUURu92pZWyY5FBGtmIPOQ7yHxRuk O4Ro7oR8FJtiCIneqwRENDOg2iUSe5eExEkXdu7KXaQjUrPJ7KRatPkVO6yyV2Z3/Kt c15KWAMbNDMeyNg2f2QyrBhiiMjkrbljr0Plj9eRCDPPmAsuxkb5fs= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:55:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62DEFD58AC8 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:55:49 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0DSckxR+TnFg for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE893D56C3B for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 15:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PU3oh-0005NF-fK for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 20:55:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 20:54:38 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts References: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> <621b8b8751.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <5187ae140edave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5187ae140edave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 368 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=awLy7tG0AAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=IdO__wSCBmCz9TRJw7kA:9 a=AAr9-8kWw-w_6898RQYA:7 a=_2AqdtEc5yffxW6VA2rtiG9pyqYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=PaxcJMJuyfP3tbzo:21 a=ZjNxJBxmgxPkViSq:21 Hi, In message <5187ae140edave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >That link appears to be dead Mr P. Works for me (from the email that came back from the list), depends on you copying the whole thing and your mailer not corrupting it. The discussion was called: RiscOS to Windoze font conversion - help! comp.sys.acorn.apps 30th. March 2010 >I've looked at Font Forge a few times, but as it stands it's an impossible >mess to install... I wasted a lot of time a few weeks ago trying to get MingW to work which is another Linux emulation like cygwin (recommended for Font Forge). It is all too hard and full of traps. Presumably they bother because, as I did, you end up on a real copy of ubuntu. There is apparently a ready to go version for Windows at: http://www.geocities.jp/meir000/fontforge/ Instructions are in Japanese. Not sure how happy I am to be told to turn off my fire wall before running it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 18 22:22:48 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PU54f-0MKknw-06-Dfe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 22:22:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PU54f-0MKknw-06-Dfe; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 22:16:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PU54f-0MKknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 22:16:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PU54b-0002iY-1G for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 22:16:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C69DD58FB2; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:16:14 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292710574; bh=9kNk/0/TrZ6W2iIm8xFgIV88NKfEE1ugi3GEuSCj 3CI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=foYJ+H N89rOFpYlI55u3Hdu6fA0yXreaMsOMp/LZdrduKtXNPXgrcxmR409uFMrZjSqERHwXw 1A1IzsRcC9YqgFzYnEKpLRz8OYErQgPZiGSJEI5KN6gQsrvuppJTFcUYftjOUqLYepV et2jlDy86c4ag4uPD+lk/2bvg4UzrXs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1AL2pE-gGYRE; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:16:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6585D58C69; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:16:00 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292710573; bh=9kNk/0/TrZ6W2iIm8xFgIV88NKfEE1ugi3GEuSCj 3CI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=bPWD3g A2vdGeYOxxC4U6FQWuAz/HtbqQFFMWvXGkppxM5wGtvaM7L/gbSDlzYZW4f/EM8qyDX 41SQvr8ScZNRcRWh9dRUJD0sX1UpNDniABaGqSC1jWMBFurLDjb8BmnAHKJ7t/H7Gv+ +6tDpr99u3NEqDurfMuzj3Cjdaj7JBc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:16:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 886CCD58D46 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:16:00 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 73QBWvragWVj for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DAB33D58C69 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:15:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.170.15]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBIMFcom013893 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2010 22:15:39 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 22:15:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> <621b8b8751.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <5187ae140edave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 369 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=awLy7tG0AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=1HRznWNsPRqwPMVraD0A:9 a=4RSod2CXjObHGY55HCIA:7 a=KD-0175G4j1aCPES26LvgxQ-BAcA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=udkTBhbC3yFRGA3H:21 a=cEnN9348Ud83nN8V:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > In message <5187ae140edave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >That link appears to be dead Mr P. > Works for me (from the email that came back from the list), depends on > you copying the whole thing and your mailer not corrupting it. The > discussion was called: > RiscOS to Windoze font conversion - help! > comp.sys.acorn.apps > 30th. March 2010 I tried a couple of times this evening and it reported along the lines of it was no longer there. However, tried again very recently and got it. > >I've looked at Font Forge a few times, but as it stands it's an > >impossible mess to install... > I wasted a lot of time a few weeks ago trying to get MingW to work which > is another Linux emulation like cygwin (recommended for Font Forge). It > is all too hard and full of traps. Presumably they bother because, as I > did, you end up on a real copy of ubuntu. I do have a Ubuntu machine sitting in the corner, but to be quite honest... I don't have the time to spare messing with all the CLI stuff Linux requires, I just want a click, install and go solution. > There is apparently a ready to go version for Windows at: > http://www.geocities.jp/meir000/fontforge/ > Instructions are in Japanese. Not sure how happy I am to be told to turn > off my fire wall before running it. Thanks for that link, I'll have a play tomorrow... I did notice while I was there a PDF and HTML Tutorial in English. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 19 12:37:24 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PUDm5-0SNGPo-03-DUk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:37:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PUDm5-0SNGPo-03-DUk; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:33:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PUDm5-0SNGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:33:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PUDm2-0005cN-RE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:33:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C856CD591DD; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 02:33:40 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292744020; bh=mbmXPXClvaS7Hy/Wa2IR8blHZ6OXuvMh2gGg063J 5Gg=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=wU7vwU IrhKzHupFovawGpmPfnMP9PBw+L/wfh4YUcc48jw9Ft90jj7Ao4wTHUPXd5dNen64sQ PaGmOr5upKRxQdNvDPz1RPcVOnKnHwNHSOfAnnU/IhtBrAo2J8ZGCBwdDEkJWzInT2n K8lAf9+CnegBSKd+QhvGoKDrbSR1ltY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DxLyhTvubmUd; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 02:33:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 267D2D591D3; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 02:33:27 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292744019; bh=mbmXPXClvaS7Hy/Wa2IR8blHZ6OXuvMh2gGg063J 5Gg=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=jAHMTN wtojHUlgePKhvvdw4kiTN1EXSGpY1p7MXv/gBdvmXU2Hd5aAkew/t1Zr9a3l6QKcxym N8r3p6fUjbvfX90ttbGwkrrm0kA5ouCz95d0g2+v3vtP+c/BJIUyJtbeGJ9+LoAxS+5 2IpZN5/jI04m1qYqGmKufHERbsTML7M= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Dec 2010 02:33:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1AE4D591CE for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 02:33:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wDxJHLset4GU for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 02:33:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24597D591B9 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 02:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.183.153]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBJ7X5b1027411 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:33:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:33:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <5187f434eedave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 370 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=P3_cgIXcLgiIqSM0Bc0A:9 a=wvF20zAu8B6V-h8H2HwA:7 a=SAvHl0uTe_BD3SCoDsezaOaGwIsA:4 Thanks to all who contributed to this thread. Fay has settled on 'Architecture' as a good enough substitute for 'George' for future documents, and in Win OvPro I've mapped George to Architecture for any old docs she might transfer, so she's sorted. That brings to mind a thought... Can OvPro for RISC OS do a reverse Font mapping? That is a doc created in Win OvPro using (Say) Architecture, brought into RO OvPro would need to be substituted for George? In relation to this thread it wouldn't matter since I've created a RO Font version of Architecture for her. But it would be interesting to know for future reference. (I do have an OvPro manual, but ATM I can't get at it.) During the course of my days of searching for her, I did find a few possible substitutes, including one that was a perfect fit on a site, Have Fun With Fonts called 'Ice bergman.ttf', unfortunately like a few others I found, it only contained a very small character set. Particular thanks to Deri James who via linux did a conversion of the RO George to a .ttf George. In the end we couldn't use it because of its limited character set, and a Win Ov Pro problem. It has been an interesting exercise, she's sorted and I must get back to slightly more important matters. Thanks, appreciated your input. 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Sun, 19 Dec 2010 05:21:33 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,196,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="468630291" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 19 Dec 2010 10:21:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFEB09A0B5 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 10:21:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 10:21:30 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> <621b8b8751.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <5187ae140edave@triffid.co.uk> <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.66.0.3327 (Qt/4.6.2) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 371 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=Pcw6SIVUAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pccQjLvcBtwGkrp8mTMA:9 a=LwuIZcrj-Or4sCHIVn0A:7 a=z0fyyiFKat5c4VMutHtcpZpXP14A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=nkem5hIOAOuoZynL:21 a=eWc_D75iCd8FJQJ2:21 On 18 Dec, Dave Symes wrote in message <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk>: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, In message <5187ae140edave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > > writes > > > > > I've looked at Font Forge a few times, but as it stands it's an > > > impossible mess to install... > > > I wasted a lot of time a few weeks ago trying to get MingW to work which > > is another Linux emulation like cygwin (recommended for Font Forge). It > > is all too hard and full of traps. Presumably they bother because, as I > > did, you end up on a real copy of ubuntu. > > I do have a Ubuntu machine sitting in the corner, but to be quite > honest... I don't have the time to spare messing with all the CLI stuff > Linux requires, I just want a click, install and go solution. There's a package in Synaptic for Ubuntu 10.04 called "fontforge", whose description says: Besides being a font editor, FontForge is also a font format converter, and can convert among PostScript (ASCII & binary Type 1, some Type 3s, some Type 0s), TrueType, and OpenType (Type2), CID-keyed, SVG, CFF and multiple-master fonts. If that's the one, then it *is* "click, install and go" (probably more so than on Windows, TBH: you don't even have to decide what to download as Synaptic does that for you). -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show Saturday 16 April 2011 http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 19 12:37:28 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PUH25-1tJVbs-05-AEk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:37:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PUH25-1tJVbs-05-AEk; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:02:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PUH25-1tJVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:02:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PUH22-0004MY-6S for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Sun, 19 Dec 2010 06:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (sidious.london.02.net [82.132.130.152]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A886D59295 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 06:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from riscpc.o2.co.uk (93.97.148.139) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.119.05) (authenticated as mytardis@o2.co.uk) id 4D035EC301E96A24 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:20:31 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:01:10 GMT Message-ID: <1b3e078851.chris@o2.co.uk> References: <51876aa4b3dave@triffid.co.uk> <5187b37239dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5187b37239dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/6.20) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 372 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@noonehere.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=Pcw6SIVUAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=e9upz_KCAhLlNs-tQ9UA:9 a=ES7pe9lFV6I2Oq3Hdz0A:7 a=BpxCnCk4Ju4M0K6rGXTRLQs_xk0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=_7KyH4MkyzqZ7Xrz:21 a=150FlfHubunDOM7j:21 In message <5187b37239dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > An interesting aside to this and my previous forays into RO/TTF font > translations a while back... > It has become apparent just how fragile the RO Font manager I'm using is, > Easy Font Pro (5.11), as on a number of occasions now, adding a new font > has caused the thing to scan and accept the font as okay, but at some > point later crash and die in such a way it's neither repairable or > recoverable, requiring deletion and then new copy from a backup. EFP I have is version 5.12. I have not had to do a complete reinstall. But have had a font, that has caused an issue, usually due to a fault in one of the characters in th font type. -- Chris Hughes Wakefield RISC OS Computer Show - 16th April 2011 http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 19 12:52:12 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PUIhq-2Raknw-03-8Yz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:52:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PUIhq-2Raknw-03-8Yz; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:49:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PUIhq-2Raknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:49:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PUIhm-0005J5-Kz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:49:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8516AD59467; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:49:36 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292762976; bh=FxLjuVCVG8lnSZSckW8mc3AdxLbWS9EuueCQApzP XfE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=FHfR+z95XCk15yhtpQOcBu/JJH0oH86P90i4Z3fOvKzjQ7Ha6H 1F6jGAVt0F0T0QOYvNbmUv2w1PcRCNPGrnnh1oxO6r17q18B9TC+i4zsZopcXmZSAr3 BlppNE5EITZOC1J0+xy+FbyaRkxowzKNms7GzbUMNvti7Pn2hCo21U= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lMkr-M7ic7ms; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:49:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF25DD58F06; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:49:22 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1292762975; bh=FxLjuVCVG8lnSZSckW8mc3AdxLbWS9EuueCQApzP XfE=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=Mwe5Gl1f8k2CsJqQrfZix5xnMygr14G+FkrOVeZXGlfbHZMN4L lzeumxfw3RRXGri4zS1Mt2m7mWqS9daTxIv4vTPl15WAoYfYv8cITt3JlTDEedp2dxi DDCcnp1rCQocaCG3mpsLyXM8DhGJGSMQrx+NlQDbXRug5+4CTrb8Kg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:49:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4923D592A4 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:49:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GoajajHwiajq for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19452D58F06 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 07:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PUIhU-0004O8-j9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:49:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:48:00 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <5187f434eedave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5187f434eedave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 373 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xNN2IWD33bdlddfR9ukA:9 a=xo1iDXaiDwMFWDkxJA4A:7 a=Kya-d6pXVmo0lCpbolkixQ4K_-MA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=xmgF6Kn9lm56HGSq:21 a=UZUgnV7_SosQDVOm:21 Hi, In message <5187f434eedave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes >That brings to mind a thought... Can OvPro for RISC OS do a reverse Font >mapping? >That is a doc created in Win OvPro using (Say) Architecture, brought into >RO OvPro would need to be substituted for George? I think OP for Windows lets you do this. For one thing you can create a virtual 'font' called 'George' that's in Ovation Pro for Windows and it will store the name George in the document but use Architecture to display it on Windows, so when the document goes back to RISC OS it will work. For another I think you have control over the name put into the document for any font. Look at the font mapping section of the OPW font manager window, the example given on the dialogue box (Homerton) is just what you want to do. You can do all sort of things with font mapping in OPW, have to say that I would have to read the docs to understand it. There's no font mapping capability in the RISC OS version of OP. Plan B: rename Architecture, George, i.e. on Windows outside OP. >In the end we couldn't use it because of its limited character set, and a >Win Ov Pro problem. Ooh what was that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Sun, 19 Dec 2010 10:44:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.182.154]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBJFiRGA002763 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:44:28 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:19:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts Message-ID: <51881ee90edave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <51871dbc8edave@triffid.co.uk> <2mRK8aE7P5CNFwqy@pilling.demon.co.uk> <621b8b8751.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <5187ae140edave@triffid.co.uk> <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 374 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OshbiHh9rEl8TeyUgcMA:9 a=pNNJHm2YEO2cYMZGOccA:7 a=JGOFx1w4RTX0O3WYPaY7HiU_1rAA:4 a=9xKL-IDpeHkJuGtJ:21 a=dXworEbGKDj8SLOa:21 In article , Steve Fryatt wrote: [Snippy] > There's a package in Synaptic for Ubuntu 10.04 called "fontforge", whose > description says: > Besides being a font editor, FontForge is also a font format > converter, and can convert among PostScript (ASCII & binary Type 1, > some Type 3s, some Type 0s), TrueType, and OpenType (Type2), > CID-keyed, SVG, CFF and multiple-master fonts. > If that's the one, then it *is* "click, install and go" (probably more so > than on Windows, TBH: you don't even have to decide what to download as > Synaptic does that for you). That's interesting Steve, thanks. Next time I have that machine running I'll have a look. Cheers Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 29 18:48:52 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PY0ww-205GPo-07-H0L.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:48:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PY0ww-205GPo-07-H0L; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:40:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PY0ww-205GPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:40:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PY0wt-0007H5-0a for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:40:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64C3CD59E9E; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:40:32 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293648032; bh=y8YfO2FKaExBXS1iDlgMgFRF+Cwhc6AXFbeT5//+ brY=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=IF6Ugv NOdgRT7Luo3dzshDiL7DdYt1CcpnDnRuFZ0xWjIvZXxbiYX6lkIdRU7w9VVBZWuvgH7 W8rB52IP3zslK/00Cphvr20TzBwfShBA12tVQgQgghIvbjiHeZxRw4VB/jQtSX2V8cj CxIizC8q+8asBwR0DoExtFv8KSjQ2cs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yclu7zH9Bq4O; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C794AD58434; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:40:18 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293648031; bh=y8YfO2FKaExBXS1iDlgMgFRF+Cwhc6AXFbeT5//+ brY=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Xq8w9q oU4YKue7h9yxzqk/1AYNPi6kpUKfjnpA1EgPnKYssTFZxBVHAQ+331lWWzmESePzfwm jm+9Z53+YK8FRUQu1PbfOo6tjmcb7q4uHEVkDwuv1n4yZ4ebNiwDw6m8ZOsE8UFOllj /85KVEfan7ufewqOiDw8mdwFmRR57wo= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:40:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98A23D5845A for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:40:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v+vFuaeaW33N for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8C44D58434 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.120.254]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBTIdnfY013572 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:39:50 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 18:39:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 375 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=k04rwKtWc7jNe3PdGn0A:9 a=OMl8mcRmn6PBA3pNi9YA:7 a=AYPTatdIlV4J08wfm9ILRGkEPRcA:4 SARPC RO 6.20 Loads of RAM and HD space. I guess this might be more appropriate on the acorn apps newsgroup as it does involve Easy Font Pro, but as it relates to OvPro, Fonts and such like as well, I feel there's probably more knowledge here. This continues on from my previous just "Fonts" thread of mid December. Easy Font Pro version 5.11 is the font manager I use for the bulk of my fonts. So I convert a Truetype font to RISC OS font using effTTT 4.20 it appears to convert correctly and if I put it in ...!Boot.Resources.!Fonts it works perfectly okay, and looks okay in use and in XChars. I remove it from ...!Fonts and now Add it to EFP, it scans the font says it's okay and adds it to the set. But thereafter EFP will freeze, crash and dies in such a way that it is not repairable or recoverable, requiring a new copy from backup to replace it. I now have quite a second collection (23) of fonts in ...!Fonts that work perfectly okay, but show any of them to EFP and Brown stuff ensues. FWIW. They did *not* all come out of effTTT. I guess I have two questions. 1) If EFP says the fonts are okay, accepts them but then messes in its trousers, how am I to know if a font conversion is good or not? 2) I've had this before in the past, so is EFP broken, or is effTTT broken, or both? Remembering not all the problem fonts came from effTTT. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 29 19:33:54 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PY1cN-2chGPo-06-GKu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:33:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PY1cN-2chGPo-06-GKu; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:23:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PY1cN-2chGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:23:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PY1cF-0000ee-E6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:23:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4831D59E13; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:23:17 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:23:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PY1by-0002IO-oW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:23:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:23:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518d5b8c2ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 376 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=0dlgs3DD7ie0DPeCvEIA:9 a=L3sRVLK4C2UlhsC3pBQA:7 a=FGIPY7KgIXTnOb3dAlpOBwX9hb0A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=c-rwS8kj3t7XKaxm:21 a=xkfkeBGqONYJAuSD:21 In article <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > SARPC RO 6.20 Loads of RAM and HD space. > I guess this might be more appropriate on the acorn apps newsgroup as it > does involve Easy Font Pro, but as it relates to OvPro, Fonts and such > like as well, I feel there's probably more knowledge here. > This continues on from my previous just "Fonts" thread of mid December. > Easy Font Pro version 5.11 is the font manager I use for the bulk of my > fonts. > So I convert a Truetype font to RISC OS font using effTTT 4.20 it appears > to convert correctly and if I put it in ...!Boot.Resources.!Fonts it works > perfectly okay, and looks okay in use and in XChars. > I remove it from ...!Fonts and now Add it to EFP, it scans the font says > it's okay and adds it to the set. > But thereafter EFP will freeze, crash and dies in such a way that it is > not repairable or recoverable, requiring a new copy from backup to replace > it. > I now have quite a second collection (23) of fonts in ...!Fonts that work > perfectly okay, but show any of them to EFP and Brown stuff ensues. > FWIW. They did *not* all come out of effTTT. > I guess I have two questions. > 1) If EFP says the fonts are okay, accepts them but then messes in its > trousers, how am I to know if a font conversion is good or not? > 2) I've had this before in the past, so is EFP broken, or is effTTT > broken, or both? > Remembering not all the problem fonts came from effTTT. I'm not a regular user of EFP - I use Font Dir Pro on my Iyonix. Could your problem be due to putting the converted font in !Fonts first? I wonder if something gets confused by the font being in a different place to where it used to be. Try converting another font or one you done before and rename it. Then put it straight into EFP. The other simple question: have you contacted Dave Holden of APLD? -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 29 20:18:55 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PY2Iy-2xeknw-05-FeJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:18:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PY2Iy-2xeknw-05-FeJ; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:07:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PY2Iy-2xeknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:07:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PY2Iu-0006Of-9p for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:07:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3171AD5A08C; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:07:22 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293653242; bh=vn+Z8+VNvdfLVv2lxxhTDeuei44PY6pGKr4OGs4d IOs=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=Zc9bIx oGJ37B2lHfdsVs/rMsBr8PtyV8hjF1JQbIYa9Ez793Uvh5bGocjoj4GbvrJzIjdiH83 Hr0a/Ar1SpKL7QtlvKiY6xy06BGfgspiWJGfK0CknYK3QxovxP9YPV++UIpUm8jzywN 5seUz8LvQe4oUcNoOhG5nKqDDGKvM1I= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iTDIdr9yS+su; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D53BD59D65; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:07:08 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293653241; bh=vn+Z8+VNvdfLVv2lxxhTDeuei44PY6pGKr4OGs4d IOs=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=RCMsTe ai2Dl11lnci3mXt+qPSw43NYOJK8SWrpRN0x6TdL6RRo95HA7zQ4vX36vrdxZDsczVa jy026DqKB5a2kFlV7bbPO+X2Jhb6I5PiSwqhTe1jiaYQU4FnjmHVWy5ON5I4p3h1+qK gMJ7O14iprGGdinr3QIYWYS7x7AUQsY= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:07:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40418D59E83 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:07:08 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gEKBWPnU7trc for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:07:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE3DED59D65 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:07:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.120.254]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBTK6cOj014858 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:06:39 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:05:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518d5f737adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <518d5b8c2ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d5b8c2ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 377 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=w5WhROzUAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tPIei8Xz_lzV9dcRKAwA:9 a=qTk5w0CWM_FvG0D8IGcA:7 a=yJsi5cjy_8_JuGfq-y_Bjbk3du4A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=D1UeWWyQUSprSZ-4:21 a=Xu7mRhCqJ2XMy3jJ:21 In article <518d5b8c2ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: > In article <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: [Snip] > I'm not a regular user of EFP - I use Font Dir Pro on my Iyonix. Could > your problem be due to putting the converted font in !Fonts first? I > wonder if something gets confused by the font being in a different place > to where it used to be. Try converting another font or one you done > before and rename it. Then put it straight into EFP. That's what I used to do, put the fonts straight in to EFP but after a previous session of EFP deaths, I now test in ...Resources Fonts. I shouldn't make any difference, I remove the font, then usually reboot the computer. > The other simple question: have you contacted Dave Holden of APLD? It would appear to be the polite thing to do, but there doesn't seem to be much point these days, as in the recent past when I've posted him, usually no reply. Thanks for your thoughts Charles. 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([82.152.165.188]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBTKUgEr015222 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:30:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:31:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518d61cac7riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 378 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=JZWNcADziYOYcKxVT3YA:9 a=MUmlhvSSfouJuZsyGBEA:7 a=tjX0HMScicsxQU4nY6jrq2m9MmgA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=g10XDAQqff8uzoYn:21 a=B3HhEW-IQqi-_gMu:21 In article <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > SARPC RO 6.20 Loads of RAM and HD space. > I guess this might be more appropriate on the acorn apps newsgroup > as it does involve Easy Font Pro, but as it relates to OvPro, Fonts > and such like as well, I feel there's probably more knowledge here. [ . . . ] > So I convert a Truetype font to RISC OS font using effTTT 4.20 it > appears to convert correctly and if I put it in > ...!Boot.Resources.!Fonts it works perfectly okay, and looks okay > in use and in XChars. > I remove it from ...!Fonts and now Add it to EFP, it scans the font > says it's okay and adds it to the set. > But thereafter EFP will freeze, crash and dies in such a way that > it is not repairable or recoverable, requiring a new copy from > backup to replace it. [ . . . ] > 2) I've had this before in the past, so is EFP broken, or is effTTT > broken, or both? Would it help to send me a copy of a known problem font, for me to try in conjunction with FontDirectory Pro? If you want to send me a sample font (or 2) the email address below is valid. I can try with SA-VRPC 4.02 and a Kinetic RPC, 4.something. Can't do OS 6.20 I'm afraid. Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 29 21:48:59 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PY3qu-3jN000-06-E6N.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:48:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PY3qu-3jN000-06-E6N; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:46:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PY3qu-3jN000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:46:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PY3qs-0002Qn-Ke for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:46:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74419D59DDB; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:46:32 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293659192; bh=woJXXKfJprmUGXDWwhAkMbJATNJF2KYpU1V9liZx ZrM=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=xFWc23 Myr5Fs6N1CfZg8IpZ1PmbICK4Tvo8+RlcsBUDaZXzwyZxeh84Xc1fe2f+Z6lPBZwqEh vRn7hcKOB37vEqyr5mFhlYm7J7iyvWhlLbIO6vI+6ieS128EGu54GpNuo3WAqenTqWz /jsexssBD5Qrxppt3GPw/26p2V7ZMU8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nrSRkr-G0oBf; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BDBBD58D11; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:46:18 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293659191; bh=woJXXKfJprmUGXDWwhAkMbJATNJF2KYpU1V9liZx ZrM=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=IQGMbQ tIP2hPhvOe0SdGjJGCig8+VIve+FoTcXoAtE1z1+PmDbJ+PprZBU/q3vk5cfJ9S6hj+ hixjlf0dF6HZtNSPcLZBvhF5QywquAcRdIAflYKlmw/PPgXKivcFXq33ux+4t0Mgp3x VWCYsxXwqkjPAzx09l1RtzwSuXw742Q= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:46:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48710D59052 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:46:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HWohAAi-45ya for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 973AED59B6B for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.152.167.80]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBTLjl1h016360 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:45:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:44:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518d687c0fdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <518d61cac7riscos@mdharding.org.uk> References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d61cac7riscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 379 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=I0w4EGdzDyvWF3T30ZsA:9 a=vOxjqlzZHbdyVRPhKwMA:7 a=fvibD5gwovTBoInSzKdpUz_0Cn8A:4 a=vNynXsmS9IZHpX8r:21 a=WW_s8dESUw8Omm4P:21 In article <518d61cac7riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding wrote: [Snippy] > Would it help to send me a copy of a known problem font, for me to try > in conjunction with FontDirectory Pro? If you want to send me a sample > font (or 2) the email address below is valid. > I can try with SA-VRPC 4.02 and a Kinetic RPC, 4.something. Can't do > OS 6.20 I'm afraid. > Michael Harding That would be an interesting exercise Michael, thank you for the offer, but if it totally broke your FDP I would be a bit upset. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 30 18:00:11 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PYGHj-36Jknw-07-AC4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:00:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PYGHj-36Jknw-07-AC4; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:03:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PYGHj-36Jknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:03:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PYGHe-00075L-3A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:03:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84391D59C88; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:03:00 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293706980; bh=qNCAwLIhZe9PYWt+ezuxrFtJQt/Jv0ktk1j1cZpd DE8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=twNjTe LY8aCXE2pM4vk4w9f+b/SqTsAmQ5XEPa4YKClNw61fmWz59V+BX+PiRvExbvjFJsMW2 XPGs6PEzk3sQdbJ2PUFrE34RjWCPCVouzNXGlZ0iYjSdu0jRoU942790yl6svh1X9np WZhxOCukSPKQxkF79jxH+XHeq5CxLR4= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vrHt53wsVeOA; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C52F1D59BCA; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:02:46 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293706979; bh=qNCAwLIhZe9PYWt+ezuxrFtJQt/Jv0ktk1j1cZpd DE8=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=vJpt1v P4UKCmZV1bmXP1UXgUBccdlkenEJCPX8KgxgXMqRnqwLWSie0dmXx9LEdU6kYeTYbHd +LhiEFU4USpm2806Jy14EzXiqDf5t8ieXSm1EyYVdm1mhCBNBlscjJatV6I+1nxpj9v X14IPcou/BNyb1j88/NHXxQmIMRNnfg= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:02:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95454D59BF1 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:02:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NBORrzO9-mKu for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8788D59BCA for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from AMD2. ([91.84.73.51]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBUB2GEP028243 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:02:17 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:02:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518db19643riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <518d687c0fdave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d61cac7riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <518d687c0fdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 380 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=t7dmgZ7ww2q78lQKD5QA:9 a=MGEGv6jaRbjdi7mwMn4A:7 a=RsGf9WER36XrAdmtG3eBcHKBZ74A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=R_OmulsbEZ6cBolM:21 a=YlJn-1MM6ygyBJox:21 In article <518d687c0fdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <518d61cac7riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, > M Harding wrote: > [Snippy] > > Would it help to send me a copy of a known problem font, for me > > to try in conjunction with FontDirectory Pro? If you want to send > > me a sample font (or 2) the email address below is valid. > > I can try with SA-VRPC 4.02 and a Kinetic RPC, 4.something. Can't > > do OS 6.20 I'm afraid. > That would be an interesting exercise Michael, thank you for the > offer, but if it totally broke your FDP I would be a bit upset. I'd set up a duplicate copy of FontDir Pro and try it/them in that. It might narrow the field as to whether it's a problem with the font or with your program/OS version. Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 30 18:00:12 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PYGXv-3Qyknw-06-9vs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:00:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PYGXv-3Qyknw-06-9vs; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:19:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PYGXv-3Qyknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:19:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PYGXu-0003Od-5z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:19:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3785D59FA2; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:19:41 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; 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Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:19:26 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 393108723/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/f2s-temporary-group/88.110.172.240/None/riscos@gotadsl.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.110.172.240 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: riscos@gotadsl.co.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoAFAIn5G01Ybqzw/2dsb2JhbACWHo4bdL86hUoEjhU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,249,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="393108723" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 88-110-172-240.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO Iyonix.home) ([88.110.172.240]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 30 Dec 2010 11:19:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Ashbery To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:19:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518db3177eriscos@gotadsl.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <518db19643riscos@mdharding.org.uk> References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d61cac7riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <518d687c0fdave@triffid.co.uk> <518db19643riscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 381 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@gotadsl.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4J6g4JL2_VS70fh4eLIA:9 a=ksI2TxKZgU3zyainHUAA:7 a=M8ZnIJZPSjxnbm4nAh_grCB6U9IA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=_lyZwrN1qINJupYf:21 a=sYUJZePKxg3vaBl-:21 In article <518db19643riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding wrote: > In article <518d687c0fdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > wrote: > > In article <518d61cac7riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding > > wrote: [Snippy] > > > Would it help to send me a copy of a known problem font, for me > > > to try in conjunction with FontDirectory Pro? If you want to > > > send me a sample font (or 2) the email address below is valid. > > > I can try with SA-VRPC 4.02 and a Kinetic RPC, 4.something. > > > Can't do OS 6.20 I'm afraid. > > That would be an interesting exercise Michael, thank you for the > > offer, but if it totally broke your FDP I would be a bit upset. > I'd set up a duplicate copy of FontDir Pro and try it/them in that. > It might narrow the field as to whether it's a problem with the > font or with your program/OS version. > Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: > http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling I'm following this with interest as I'm thinking of purchasing FDP. 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([91.84.73.51]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBUCsKwG030013 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:54:21 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:55:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518dbbe659riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <518db3177eriscos@gotadsl.co.uk> References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d61cac7riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <518d687c0fdave@triffid.co.uk> <518db19643riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <518db3177eriscos@gotadsl.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 382 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=HN9ekST8AAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=KLZUoGANBV2bw-Xeb7IA:9 a=CTXZKm4RXibiqQotC14A:7 a=LsAZZgDLwfJVnYwf3B3lZcDiVccA:4 a=p4v2Xl2BQvsA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=9vbKOSUOP6YCVOt3:21 a=StDCRmjqGc4cgqD1:21 In article <518db3177eriscos@gotadsl.co.uk>, Richard Ashbery wrote: > In article <518db19643riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding > wrote: > > In article <518d687c0fdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > > wrote: > > > In article <518d61cac7riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding > > > wrote: [Snippy] > > > > Would it help to send me a copy of a known problem font, for > > > > me to try in conjunction with FontDirectory Pro? If you want > > > > to send me a sample font (or 2) the email address below is > > > > valid. > > > > I can try with SA-VRPC 4.02 and a Kinetic RPC, 4.something. > > > > Can't do OS 6.20 I'm afraid. > > > That would be an interesting exercise Michael, thank you for > > > the offer, but if it totally broke your FDP I would be a bit > > > upset. > > I'd set up a duplicate copy of FontDir Pro and try it/them in > > that. It might narrow the field as to whether it's a problem with > > the font or with your program/OS version. > I'm following this with interest as I'm thinking of purchasing FDP. I'm not sure whether this taangent is permitted on the OvPro list, but let's face it: one couldn't manage OvPro without some sort of font controls. I like FontDirPro and use it with OvPro to produce a parish magazine amongst other things. Shall we say that investigating its many options is very productive. 8-) (i.e. it's extremely powerful and takes a bit of time fully to get to grips with it, but it does also work straight out of the package.) I thought the Pro version wasn't compatible with VRPC because it relies on the use of ADFS (though the older version does work happily with HostFS) but then discovered that you can create an ADFS partition in VRPC and the program's content to sit in there and work away - the partition is large enough to hold vast quantities of fonts if required. I rather think it's no longer being upgraded, but it does all I could ever want. Michael Harding Rev. Preb. 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Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from riscpc.o2.co.uk (93.97.148.139) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.5.119.05) (authenticated as mytardis@o2.co.uk) id 4CB23F221594FEFA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:56:00 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 6.00 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:41:17 GMT Message-ID: <5397c58d51.chris@o2.co.uk> References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d5b8c2ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <518d5f737adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <518d5f737adave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/6.00 (MsgServe/6.00S) (RISC-OS/6.20) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 383 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@noonehere.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=w5WhROzUAAAA:8 a=Pcw6SIVUAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=T3jJL5CjgMYDtHO7QdUA:9 a=h88hiN5tfsGjlF0gP8AA:7 a=q0r2jeXYBce97yy-UsfVO23vs30A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=TyWqC0x6LBIsuR3E:21 a=_attAm9EEuMpgfBY:21 In message <518d5f737adave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <518d5b8c2ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, > charles wrote: >> In article <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk>, >> Dave Symes wrote: > [Snip] >> I'm not a regular user of EFP - I use Font Dir Pro on my Iyonix. Could >> your problem be due to putting the converted font in !Fonts first? I >> wonder if something gets confused by the font being in a different place >> to where it used to be. Try converting another font or one you done >> before and rename it. Then put it straight into EFP. > That's what I used to do, put the fonts straight in to EFP but after a > previous session of EFP deaths, I now test in ...Resources Fonts. > I shouldn't make any difference, I remove the font, then usually reboot > the computer. >> The other simple question: have you contacted Dave Holden of APLD? > It would appear to be the polite thing to do, but there doesn't seem to be > much point these days, as in the recent past when I've posted him, usually > no reply. Are you using the correct email address and there is always the good old fashion I know phone. -- Chris Hughes Wakefield RISC OS Computer Show - 16th April 2011 http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 30 18:00:14 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PYKTT-2NJVbs-04-EWq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:00:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PYKTT-2NJVbs-04-EWq; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:31:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PYKTT-2NJVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:31:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PYKTK-0004Bv-NJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:31:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B48CD59249; 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Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:31:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D71FD5741C for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:31:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20101230153101.ESOA23441.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:31:01 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([86.4.6.22]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with SMTP id <20101230153101.QOYV25656.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:31:01 +0000 Message-ID: <43844731BF834981B06B6B7947D1E19E@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d5b8c2ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <518d5f737adave@triffid.co.uk> <5397c58d51.chris@o2.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5397c58d51.chris@o2.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:31:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; 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APDL?? Dave has responded to me today from dave@apdl.co.uk John Grogan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 30 18:15:03 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PYMxR-1jfVbs-06-C2s.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:15:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PYMxR-1jfVbs-06-C2s; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:10:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PYMxR-1jfVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:10:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PYMxO-0001FN-Hy for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:10:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9795AD5A188; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:10:32 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293732632; bh=Q8dmVLQj/PNugKYzuY4DI27Gw4zdzL4a+EKGb6FG oeA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=cMYbuQhtkreNCHvJCGZe/2adh9Q6JeYojNGkfYvTJLhSoUX3f7 eho4bN3XB1aov3QjycAVuHuKaXkDzNTJXI/pM6/HYqVZNLa2+Qf20O30yaAjFhJq4d9 JWy1vhUjidhmtLdTM5iPaRaWfEcEAwdoG5TWRilVLofQdi8447xFG8= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4lu9C0z8KQk8; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB6D8D59957; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:10:18 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293732631; bh=Q8dmVLQj/PNugKYzuY4DI27Gw4zdzL4a+EKGb6FG oeA=; h=Message-ID:Date:To:From:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=n13rU7cvbs/Tvgc4haFVC5B/xD/vnPbuWGS9f8zQ8Tw8N4pt4/ zXgTebjEH1HWh7SU5ZHBdP35yK1wfPlAjIPI8Eje2P95YKIxhK+m2iwLbLCcCvfg0nr W1sItxs7VdO4+BmyWb6g6YVoGJpIfMh0KHMcaIH+e4WQsKoaGnNH7w= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:10:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7371D5A167 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:10:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sICdycvLeeal for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C834D5A182 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 13:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PYMx1-000297-oz for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:10:11 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:08:43 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d5b8c2ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <518d5f737adave@triffid.co.uk> <5397c58d51.chris@o2.co.uk> <43844731BF834981B06B6B7947D1E19E@PC01> In-Reply-To: <43844731BF834981B06B6B7947D1E19E@PC01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 385 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=636JCxZ4oS6BcN0owmsA:9 a=R7Nh-boeveKo23ZmiNUA:7 a=J4os0jpgd5SqI9ivBgPl5SvEfK4A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=k28RsX9yzIpmuTId:21 a=NPMXf2ZyKE2MreiJ:21 Hi, Are there by any chance different versions of FDP? (meaning are the problems due to bugs that have been fixed (or created)) There was another font manager ISTR, wonder what happened to that. Another idea, can you load fonts into Acorn's FontEd and then save them, maybe that would create something FDP likes more. I think I have never had enough fonts to need a font manager, perhaps the facilities in OP would be better if I'd hit this problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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([91.84.73.51]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBUK3Mti004263 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:03:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:04:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518de32764riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d5b8c2ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <518d5f737adave@triffid.co.uk> <5397c58d51.chris@o2.co.uk> <43844731BF834981B06B6B7947D1E19E@PC01> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 386 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=U4QeDYFcsWZ5mM0_w1AA:9 a=8k9e81xCtDY5pG_LggAA:7 a=OLei_DhRbwwhKn_KO3pLnyFEiEUA:4 a=ilqa7f7UGtEIkrBI:21 a=KZ5Jb1sBRPkeCqK2:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Are there by any chance different versions of FDP? (meaning are the > problems due to bugs that have been fixed (or created)) > There was another font manager ISTR, wonder what happened to that. It's somewhat confusing because of using abbreviations! The program Dave referred to initially is Easy Font Pro (EFP) - whereas I've been referring to the alternative program, Font Directory, by Adrian Look of LOOKsystems. His Font Directory Professional (FDP) is v. 3.10 of 2003; at least, that's the version I've got. [ . . . ] > I think I have never had enough fonts to need a font manager, > perhaps the facilities in OP would be better if I'd hit this > problem. I find that with DTP work on a parish mag I use a particular selection of fonts, whereas for most of the time I use a different selection. Each can easily be chosen via FDP. E.g. it'll scan an OvPro document and supply all fonts missing, preventing the dreaded warning 'XXX font missing: substitute/stop loading'. On the other hand it doesn't swamp you with every font you've ever acquired and make you struggle with a vast list in choosing the one you want. You can narrow or widen the list shown in OvPro with ease. The other thing is, that if you're not sure which font is which, you can choose to list the fonts - lumped together or segregated into different categories of your own naming, e.g serif or script or headline - with its name displayed in its own font. Or you can display a specific font in its entirely, at any size, to see what it looks like or whether it's got all the characters. (The Pro version is much more flexible in this, but as I mentioned will only work with ADFS, so VRPC needs a bit of easy tweaking.) I'm a fan of OvPro but couldn't cope without a font manager. However, a font manager works with all programs so there's no need for this extra facility in OvPro. Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 30 21:45:10 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PYQ9m-2gqGPo-08-8qX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:45:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PYQ9m-2gqGPo-08-8qX; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:35:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PYQ9m-2gqGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:35:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PYQ9g-0005hO-Vv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:35:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91741D59CBE; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:35:27 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293744927; bh=gzSKptsk55fQzmf2/OnN+cCrLmSu/cU/ENSz716f NAc=; h=To:Cc:Date:Mime-Version:From:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=HT3+lwYDR0wJykTLI+z4fTncdgVtG37P7yW/FZXRQm6IU2WNZq ZFOrOfEu4Bzigix8GY1LbsuKrmGqpVYVtUU+MqGzt3VfoE91LBJTb6ttuPDLJ2lASvn /yKPBpVTDUbLxWPX/qzt8oePAwzabE7k+8CfZJxr+P65zqV4LpMOfs= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nKyP9D+Kpksh; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:35:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26511D59646; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:35:14 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293744926; bh=gzSKptsk55fQzmf2/OnN+cCrLmSu/cU/ENSz716f NAc=; h=To:Cc:Date:Mime-Version:From:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Sender:Reply-To:List-help: List-unsubscribe:List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post: List-archive; b=TKQEzI6lekIN79W6i6MiTdINrKZf52ll+V43VwJT2G6MnPdxUk R908dhgIDEkpIqzoS5n+3i+5PEjorLzhibbIjPhwx/7HcvXX6EPcKhQ43rY34mZ3DMe XEYkm197lMDKX/Bk4Rp2W0TWodTvQnLDl6mSWruIMrPo+JSJyCbXCc= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:35:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEA5ED59776 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:35:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dPB4KvvWvM2y for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:35:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from imail1.digiweb.net.nz (imail1.digiweb.net.nz [202.174.112.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EAB20D59646 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from 202.174.112.8 [202.174.112.8] by imail1.digiweb.net.nz with ESMTP (SMTPD-11.01) id 32a4000b05c325cf; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 10:35:05 +1300 To: Cc: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:35:05 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Nobilangelo" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201012311035643.SM722371@[202.174.112.8]> X-archive-position: 387 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Nobilangelo@ceramalus.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=lLtvEOiQYpM_KmDFW2sA:9 a=oqk9vONL7CTdD3gkipUA:7 a=thDqKkaSkk6j85Wwk6BsWED4xY8A:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=DcXBgRUsCyoHbYw6:21 a=P1SA4mJ0yewehHzN:21 There is a later version of Font Directory Professsional, albeit still = dated 2003 (5/11/2003): 3.11 beta, which I have been using without = problems since Adrian Look sent it to me. IIRC that version fixed a = problem that 3.10 sometimes had with shonky fonts. -- Nobilangelo Ceramalus. -----Original Message----- From: M Harding riscos=40mdharding.org.uk Sent 12/31/2010 9:04:11 AM To: davidpilling=40freelists.org Subject: =5Bsoftwarelist=5D Re: Fonts again In article ESwGhGBrqMHNFw2P=40pilling.demon.co.uk, David Pilling flist=40pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: Are there by any chance different versions of FDP? (meaning are the problems due to bugs that have been fixed (or created)) There was another font manager ISTR, wonder what happened to that. It's somewhat confusing because of using abbreviations=21=20 The program Dave referred to initially is Easy Font Pro (EFP) - whereas I've been referring to the alternative program, Font Directory, by Adrian Look of LOOKsystems. His Font Directory Professional (FDP) is v. 3.10 of 2003; at least, that's the version I've got. =5B . . . =5D I think I have never had enough fonts to need a font manager, perhaps the facilities in OP would be better if I'd hit this problem. I find that with DTP work on a parish mag I use a particular selection of fonts, whereas for most of the time I use a different selection. Each can easily be chosen via FDP.=20 E.g. it'll scan an OvPro document and supply all fonts missing, preventing the dreaded warning 'XXX font missing: substitute/stop loading'. On the other hand it doesn't swamp you with every font you've ever acquired and make you struggle with a vast list in choosing the one you want. You can narrow or widen the list shown in OvPro with ease. The other thing is, that if you're not sure which font is which, you can choose to list the fonts - lumped together or segregated into different categories of your own naming, e.g serif or script or headline - with its name displayed in its own font. Or you can display a specific font in its entirely, at any size, to see what it looks like or whether it's got all the characters. (The Pro version is much more flexible in this, but as I mentioned will only work with ADFS, so VRPC needs a bit of easy tweaking.) I'm a fan of OvPro but couldn't cope without a font manager. However, a font manager works with all programs so there's no need for this extra facility in OvPro. Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos=40mdharding.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 30 21:45:10 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PYQGT-1ZF000-07-8jq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:45:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PYQGT-1ZF000-07-8jq; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:42:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PYQGT-1ZF000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:42:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PYQGP-00074n-5J for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:42:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 013E0D59CF1; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:42:23 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293745343; bh=FgCgg5LLQVfQgxka/6LaDqfLgdehmJlF5gSeapAj VhE=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=UVtf/a MBc6t+5CX7baOpGKlFlZlF3s4IrRNtquEsDmXRrYn3zr+FtSZwD0Jj0FaeUfG+6U7SV uI8EHO3RHsxaPG3LF5wmGpQk+irDfpAUK4/kQ6+48AkYr4Vx3pJwsWe995ZxcdKAuqB +H3SXHyb1K0dM7AtYoznbZElaHXw2cY= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yXkdiO3NjFav; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41281D59776; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:42:09 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293745342; bh=FgCgg5LLQVfQgxka/6LaDqfLgdehmJlF5gSeapAj VhE=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=xnWkyR ehgocDR+jr3ApQNd15VPGDjPaAtOSI7QMb/CSjTFnsKbqqnXwL4F+DDRAD/ZFUBcOih RQ9JLUlBH3YwNS7DQTqOWxlN6goSbU6pmpZyOL8Zf3Xd/kjZfQSJcodOV9pMWNU6tER JC6XbvDBXeBhioizjMR9NY0rdO9aKis= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:42:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1971ED598DE for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:42:09 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qGYinSQVc4sK for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2076D59776 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.85.129.161]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBULfbNJ005788 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:41:38 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:41:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518dec1a1edave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d5b8c2ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <518d5f737adave@triffid.co.uk> <5397c58d51.chris@o2.co.uk> <43844731BF834981B06B6B7947D1E19E@PC01> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 388 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=S-7SRelTvuMErMHKtQIA:9 a=HVo7dtlihbeeo35cbfgA:7 a=k5kAEBCz1mXofhS84tm8swIbGJAA:4 a=TD11raAGH1cVer0A:21 a=40CI7eKoHSWIcz60:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Are there by any chance different versions of FDP? (meaning are the > problems due to bugs that have been fixed (or created)) A little confusion Mr P. I'm talking about easyFont Pro. > There was another font manager ISTR, wonder what happened to that. You are probably thinging of that. > Another idea, can you load fonts into Acorn's FontEd and then save them, > maybe that would create something FDP likes more. Now that's an interesting idea I'd not thought of trying. The masochist returns. Having done the deed through FontEd, and now added it to EFP, that part went okay and EFP quits and loads okay, but unfortunately EFP has truncated the name. Rebooted the machine. EFP still loads okay, but a couple of things are evident. 1) The newly added font does not show in any Font list (Other than in EFP itself) and yes it is ticked ON in EFP. 2) I cannot use any of EFPs font tools on it, without it crashing EFP. 3) It cannot be Deleted from EFP, freezing the process and requiring an Alt-Break to free, and then requiring the left open file to be manually closed. So that EFP has again to be dumped and a backup put in its place. Put the font in question back in ...Resources.!Fonts and everything is okay again. > I think I have never had enough fonts to need a font manager, perhaps > the facilities in OP would be better if I'd hit this problem. The problem is not really an OvPro problem, if the fonts are available OvPro will have a bash at using them. Dave The font I've been playing with is at: http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/Fonttest.zip I am aware it has a limited character set. D. -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 31 11:54:05 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PYSKl-3uK000-06-FC4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:54:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PYSKl-3uK000-06-FC4; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:55:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PYSKl-3uK000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:55:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PYSKj-0005gy-HB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:55:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF9F8D5A05C; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:54:59 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293753300; bh=rAHT0UbnJ4rMBxNU5dJkAlnkMmGYACkBxSu5aTLe EH4=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=GPtKSG t/+WQt0F0KZ6HNQd6Ez1lH9MIlBcFncIaFDlUa10Nw++9DniaQKOcP7LhaED0anVq0g 7mjeiYmo65kZEWygr+FcSTrFiAG+Usw6NbxjMWDk6XFHLp0DXGUTTexl3SRHqVfMAmu fjDkF/CLAYkMe+HWG4GaMHctX4o8p9U= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DEu0-h5wsrp7; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 610A7D59E2A; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:54:46 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293753299; bh=rAHT0UbnJ4rMBxNU5dJkAlnkMmGYACkBxSu5aTLe EH4=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=DQTiE3 ZG1QxVUDXIy4fTvpa+jR2J6K6UbkJ1MyQTTk3RsD9Cs0Z7MCcb547gYnkgTyHQOWhpT Pf/zcNjownSZjqWy+VyrSs/U68n+x8cANc+6HmmJZirZYKrNyQtjpZ6jBNEKEHig357 Wji+dmV7ZjdQCAS6VLA8Hpx1GQlxiSw= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:54:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36BEFD5A04B for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:54:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TwrxZn6X18BZ for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9039CD59E2A for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:54:44 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhUGAKKqHE3Unw4S/2dsb2JhbACWIY4dc79FhUoE Received: from outmx06.plus.net ([212.159.14.18]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 30 Dec 2010 23:54:43 +0000 Received: from chrisjohnson.plus.com ([80.229.143.2] helo=radstock.localdomain) by outmx06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1PYSKR-00071F-C7 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:54:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:54:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518df8330cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <201012311035643.SM722371@[202.174.112.8]> References: <201012311035643.SM722371@[202.174.112.8]> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 389 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Ig5FCMToAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GUCYAUDct5JlY1gA1ZIA:9 a=NdN5SPoIfFOMb5yOB3gA:7 a=uJren8g-dCs2amISgH56wDz5mzIA:4 a=j9zNRzPLUgYA:10 In article <201012311035643.SM722371@[202.174.112.8]>, Nobilangelo wrote: > There is a later version of Font Directory Professsional, albeit > still dated 2003 (5/11/2003): 3.11 beta, which I have been using > without problems since Adrian Look sent it to me. IIRC that version > fixed a problem that 3.10 sometimes had with shonky fonts. I think that version is more widely available, I have that version and must have downloaded it at some time, although when and how now escapes me. -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 31 11:54:06 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PYSVG-3m7Vbs-01-F1Z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:54:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PYSVG-3m7Vbs-01-F1Z; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 00:05:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PYSVG-3m7Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 00:05:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PYSVD-00011B-21 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 00:05:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5CB8D5A086; 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Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 432E1D5A063 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:05:32 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhUGADetHE1UXeb6/2dsb2JhbACWIY4dc79RhUoE Received: from outmx05.plus.net ([84.93.230.250]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 31 Dec 2010 00:05:32 +0000 Received: from ejclark.force9.co.uk ([212.159.46.232] helo=IYONIX) by outmx05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1PYSUu-00032e-0M for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 00:05:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 00:05:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518df935c3evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <518df8330cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <201012311035643.SM722371@[202.174.112.8]> <518df8330cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 390 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=Ig5FCMToAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5WQ2s94HNKEuoL9X52AA:9 a=oEg4wp4HszCA__9ouVYA:7 a=FisDjl9sG5L-zXzrnmKtDiSiI-IA:4 a=j9zNRzPLUgYA:10 In article <518df8330cchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <201012311035643.SM722371@[202.174.112.8]>, > Nobilangelo wrote: > > There is a later version of Font Directory Professsional, albeit > > still dated 2003 (5/11/2003): 3.11 beta, which I have been using > > without problems since Adrian Look sent it to me. IIRC that > > version fixed a problem that 3.10 sometimes had with shonky fonts. > I think that version is more widely available, I have that version > and must have downloaded it at some time, although when and how now > escapes me. I have that version too, which was available at the time from a development (beta test) page. It provided a fix for a problem with "missing font sets". Evan. 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Fri, 31 Dec 2010 07:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PYdkM-0001VM-aM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:06:14 +0000 Message-ID: <3yMKpNBYbcHNFwTM@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:04:40 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d5b8c2ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <518d5f737adave@triffid.co.uk> <5397c58d51.chris@o2.co.uk> <43844731BF834981B06B6B7947D1E19E@PC01> <518de32764riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <518de32764riscos@mdharding.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 391 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ZVI816Z_4YW-Pzr-OnUA:9 a=pni2nPjMV70YJkrtNA0A:7 a=CI0s89vOG__oiNMFjw8z0PhJvt8A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=nWx9QvJGNXB2gqHX:21 a=KgJZUkq5qM92kkQE:21 Hi, In message <518de32764riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding writes >The program Dave referred to initially is Easy Font Pro (EFP) - >whereas I've been referring to the alternative program, Font >Directory, by Adrian Look of LOOKsystems. If you would call them by their proper names "Adrian Look's one" and "the other one" I would not be so confused. I don't want to offer false hope, but I wonder if Dave could spot any oddity about the fonts that fail, perhaps the length of the font names. Looking at the example the font name seems to have lots of odd (accented) characters in. From a programmer point of view, if you're a font manager what are you going to look at in the font - the name for sure, do you perhaps look at the number of glyphs. I doubt you'd look at the design of the individual characters. Probably though, "the other one" pokes about in the font and finds something it doesn't expect - end of story. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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([91.84.179.169]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBVFfvu5022338 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 15:41:58 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 15:43:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518e4f1434riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <518dec1a1edave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d5b8c2ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <518d5f737adave@triffid.co.uk> <5397c58d51.chris@o2.co.uk> <43844731BF834981B06B6B7947D1E19E@PC01> <518dec1a1edave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 392 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RJ1co3JUoMRH2We0daMA:9 a=3RI8d9rGvKOXGvZOHOAA:7 a=NaavaB2bLuqLv9zwywI2o3XqayUA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=Aii6XsOtdewwDNM4:21 a=K96vpujtQxpZvhAy:21 In article <518dec1a1edave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: [ . . . ] > The problem is not really an OvPro problem, if the fonts are > available OvPro will have a bash at using them. > The font I've been playing with is at: > http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/Fonttest.zip > I am aware it has a limited character set. I've just set up a dummy copy of Font Directory (the original version, not the Pro One, which would have been trickier to do - i.e. I can't remember where the original is!) Using a Kinetic RISC OS 4.03, the Ice Bergman sample gave no problems at all. OvPro behaved impeccably of course; I had no problem looking at a sample display of the whole font in FontDir; and I printed it out without problems both using Printers 1.6 and also CCs' TurboPrinters. So that may have narrowed the suspects either to RO 6.x or to the Easy Font Pro software? The font itself seems no longer a suspect. I've sent Dave a screenshot separately. Best wishes for 2011, Michael Harding Rev. Preb. 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([91.84.179.169]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBVFoObv022489 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 15:50:24 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 15:51:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518e4fdd54riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <518e4f1434riscos@mdharding.org.uk> References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d5b8c2ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <518d5f737adave@triffid.co.uk> <5397c58d51.chris@o2.co.uk> <43844731BF834981B06B6B7947D1E19E@PC01> <518dec1a1edave@triffid.co.uk> <518e4f1434riscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 393 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Ufy2ChyHgr56RJhHv_IA:9 a=l4csjCJgO9lRRtjEULEA:7 a=zO4UCftqTZ4Qp13B7y-nehstjMQA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=vwLjz4Il0f3PTnWE:21 a=qQbh8hEDeaTjxbiY:21 In article <518e4f1434riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding wrote: > In article <518dec1a1edave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > The font I've been playing with is at: > > http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/Fonttest.zip > I've just set up a dummy copy of Font Directory (the original > version, not the Pro One, which would have been trickier to do - > i.e. I can't remember where the original is!) > Using a Kinetic RISC OS 4.03, the Ice Bergman sample gave no > problems at all. PS Would Dave like me to try any more fonts, to be sure of this? It's easy enough - I'd just transfer them to the Kinetic, pop them inside the test FontDir filing system and you're related to Robert. Michael Harding Rev. Preb. 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charset="us-ascii" Well, friends, not least David, A Very Merry Xmas (I know a bit late, but you know, I worked, and you know= , time flies ...), and I wish you all an Extremely, Superbly, Happy New Ye= ar! I use mainly Mac OS X nowadays, but of course it runs RiscOS as well :-)!= The RiscPC I used a lot some 15 years ago, was thrown away ages ago, and= the Linux, and Windows, laptops are seldom used! I do still use a few X Windows apps, like GIMP, and occasionally fire up= the Risc-OS emulator, to enjoy Impression, and similar DTP programs (like= David's Ovation Pro), but mostly, nowadays, I'm a Mac man :-)!=20 My step-son introduced me to Linux, but we both (simultaneously, each on= his own, in separate parts of the world) switched to Mac OS X, and it has= been pretty smooth sailing! An occasional hard reset (less than one a yea= r), and some upgrades hasn't been as a success as one would have hoped, bu= t on the whole a revolution compared to Windows. Haven't tried Windows 7,= but the rest has been awful! Reinstallation of the OS is the norm, in the= world of Windows, which maybe happened once in the world of Linux and nev= er, as yet, in the world of OS X! ------------------------- Winter has never been as cold as now, nor as long!=20 But having snow since early November is to me something I never have exper= ienced (I am 58+ by now), and we will have snow here for a few more months= as well :-)! A HNY, Tord ----------MB_8CD771DF9130393_7F8_63CD6_web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Well, friends, not least David= ,

A Very Merry Xmas (I know a bit late, but you know, I worked, and you know= , time flies ...), and I wish you all an Extremely, Superbly, Happy New Ye= ar!

I use mainly Mac OS X nowadays, but of course it runs RiscOS as well :-)!= The RiscPC I used a lot some 15 years ago, was thrown away ages ago, and= the Linux, and Windows, laptops are seldom used!

I do still use a few X Windows apps, like GIMP, and occasionally fire up= the Risc-OS emulator, to enjoy Impression, and similar DTP programs (like= David's Ovation Pro), but mostly, nowadays, I'm a Mac man :-)!

My step-son introduced me to Linux, but we both (simultaneously, each on= his own, in separate parts of the world) switched to Mac OS X, and it has= been pretty smooth sailing! An occasional hard reset (less than one a yea= r), and some upgrades hasn't been as a success as one would have hoped, bu= t on the whole a revolution compared to Windows. Haven't tried Windows 7,= but the rest has been awful! Reinstallation of the OS is the norm, in the= world of Windows, which maybe happened once in the world of Linux and nev= er, as yet, in the world of OS X!

-------------------------

Winter has never been as cold as now, nor as long!

But having snow since early November is to me something I never have exper= ienced (I am 58+ by now), and we will have snow here for a few more months= as well :-)!

A HNY,

Tord

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Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from nm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [77.238.189.63]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 93AFED5A230 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [77.238.189.51] by nm6.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2010 16:57:35 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.120] by tm4.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2010 16:57:35 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2010 16:57:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 658646.99259.bm@omp1029.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 92845 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2010 16:57:35 -0000 Received: from riscpc.btopenworld.com (alan.dawes@86.174.81.133 with login) by smtp824.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2010 08:57:35 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: kiSMGKWswBAUa0o.uux4LP0dA49Y_RulcSemO.tz.lwOm4Q- X-YMail-OSG: .7IWzg4VM1noQv3KTg346NxBprfOEx1nA6w.E8boBedb2T3 IcySVMYJ79U_dFs7bxoZsiJakvS.V5TCm3MPx2Pm5PugbOIQxv7kpG4zBxTk rbK8PmjJnU6egvv2uwyQeCmZhnki5H6LatPI.alDv2SLCTA2A097c8pOwQGa DCib16yi2b.pC7ie9cF0Wo_Vl7uZfSQBxm4V775MAU_xgd4VhY0ygSKH_btN cqk4cesi0rkmhMES3Weymz_Ne7ZvxmIpzXqZaWwmbu..J6Q4- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan Dawes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:57:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518e55e8bcalan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <518dec1a1edave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d5b8c2ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <518d5f737adave@triffid.co.uk> <5397c58d51.chris@o2.co.uk> <43844731BF834981B06B6B7947D1E19E@PC01> <518dec1a1edave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 395 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=I2trMZZ3AAAA:8 a=0xqhCTqKAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RQ1amt7QH_aup7xQ0zcA:9 a=PtvqS36aC2FDA19papsA:7 a=ue4NQe1hfDYWdh4zsm4hblSjwt8A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=iamVuytRPj4A:10 a=NORCwKmagAIA:10 a=nnCYNjRUKCpSpvBQ:21 a=eltB_aFss176hZR-:21 On 30 Dec, Dave Symes wrote: > > Another idea, can you load fonts into Acorn's FontEd and then save > > them, maybe that would create something FDP likes more. > Now that's an interesting idea I'd not thought of trying. > The masochist returns. > Having done the deed through FontEd, and now added it to EFP, that part > went okay and EFP quits and loads okay, but unfortunately EFP has > truncated the name. That rings a bell, a long while ago I created a font containing some maths and chemistry symbols using FontED and found it wouldn't work properly because the internal and external names were not the same. I think changing to a short name (less than 9 characters) and editing them to be the same cured it. Alan -- alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk alan.dawes@riscos.org Using an Acorn RiscPC To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 31 17:24:15 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PYiXF-4V3Vbs-02-G2c.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:24:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PYiXF-4V3Vbs-02-G2c; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:13:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PYiXF-4V3Vbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:13:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PYiXC-00042K-Vi for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:13:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45053D5A23B; 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Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:12:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08B86D57151 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PYiWv-0002sl-jG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:12:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:11:23 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d5b8c2ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <518d5f737adave@triffid.co.uk> <5397c58d51.chris@o2.co.uk> <43844731BF834981B06B6B7947D1E19E@PC01> <518de32764riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <3yMKpNBYbcHNFwTM@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8CD771DF90BDF70-7F8-3155D@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CD771DF90BDF70-7F8-3155D@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.07-S () X-archive-position: 396 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=fEY4sCKbAAAA:8 a=P-NweQeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=HoXvU5FIUJ_HYywQxSIA:9 a=5H-aDzZuwE8o-B8Jfm0A:7 a=CukYGGRQIIdoQKod5p6xcAK-e3gA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=lxlYhjzumwsA:10 a=SU4S8w7JDpzqEkbk:21 a=7cA5OC9jKQmmYe3H:21 Hi, In message <8CD771DF90BDF70-7F8-3155D@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com>, Tord writes >own, in separate parts of the world) switched to Mac OS X, and it has been >pretty smooth sailing! An occasional hard reset (less than one a year), and One of the boasts people make about operating systems is how long they can run between being re-booted "five 9's". However this is now a joke because security updates come out every few days, necessitating a reboot. So in 2010 you're telling us definitively Mac OS is the answer, it's a pity you didn't tell us this in 1988. What prognostication next, VHS over Betamax. 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton-Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.99.69]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oBVIa5um025091 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:36:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:31:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518e5e8068dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <518e4fdd54riscos@mdharding.org.uk> References: <5187c12a51dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d579546dave@triffid.co.uk> <518d5b8c2ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <518d5f737adave@triffid.co.uk> <5397c58d51.chris@o2.co.uk> <43844731BF834981B06B6B7947D1E19E@PC01> <518dec1a1edave@triffid.co.uk> <518e4f1434riscos@mdharding.org.uk> <518e4fdd54riscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 397 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hyiT4XwMJAxvrYkMogsA:9 a=QqSF9e0Mez78-UAA1RsA:7 a=XNYJNOV4MoDQv8dirvsg6X_u4KEA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=7lfFlFr3heB_2SM8:21 a=HMCP_5BMDAeeMnCt:21 In article <518e4fdd54riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding wrote: > In article <518e4f1434riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, > M Harding wrote: > > In article <518dec1a1edave@triffid.co.uk>, > > Dave Symes wrote: > > > The font I've been playing with is at: > > > http://www.triffid.co.uk/dstuff/Fonttest.zip > > I've just set up a dummy copy of Font Directory (the original > > version, not the Pro One, which would have been trickier to do - > > i.e. I can't remember where the original is!) > > Using a Kinetic RISC OS 4.03, the Ice Bergman sample gave no > > problems at all. > PS Would Dave like me to try any more fonts, to be sure of this? It's > easy enough - I'd just transfer them to the Kinetic, pop them inside > the test FontDir filing system and you're related to Robert. > Michael Harding Probably not Michael, but thanks for the offer. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 1 11:33:22 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PYvXc-0LIknw-01-BYl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:33:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PYvXc-0LIknw-01-BYl; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 07:06:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PYvXc-0LIknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 07:06:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PYvXY-0005RN-1I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 07:06:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07A87D5B455; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 02:06:05 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293865565; bh=h0XI3wcl1QVdHVPFZboVEY2Uin0+hK5JgGtMOLWu 7z0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=JPRcZM Qr/2KwFsKUFesr/XMJQU6zUde8zLAggdNbTHUVwM4jJU2zTp0n1kIy4DYorQ2mcn8SU DgRTXjiShhOKpPtFIRGgJntT2aSrrMhiEzS7FYbKjR7Gs0W+QreyH5i5RBnGgRWUemo g1PMKeG2MJYCJ7zqsGYrYVzq+5CyPYA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6gkrypmyKJfS; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 02:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52C3DD5B414; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 02:05:51 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293865564; bh=h0XI3wcl1QVdHVPFZboVEY2Uin0+hK5JgGtMOLWu 7z0=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=dy5lN/ o4pAOQzppgTmHvzLOPiWkCThaSea2g+UiYmvqKFpw7ZxMtKlSNAxIQs99LIhYjD8Av7 5cyoZ4FTdy/SiD5Xjj5xHHNTpvqXoOfnj0AU10Xm5DB8lODrC8TYVahWs00dl/RxllM GUMjzjlZfGeWdGyvZfMDUhPWZQTsv+A= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 01 Jan 2011 02:05:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DFCDD5B434 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 02:05:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wKFHEYD3EcFe for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 02:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 578ABD5B414 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 02:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([82.153.193.164]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p0175IGf003757 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 07:05:19 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 07:03:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518ea35f27dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <518dec1a1edave@triffid.co.uk> References: <518dec1a1edave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 398 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=r-x0qqxSqwHxK2u1yJ4A:9 a=6_ZcmagJlyicS-4DuioA:7 a=TUgY5r-iJAbEriGuwQtLlFJDxxwA:4 a=vJ-5xVlMhIXLdYXj:21 a=tN5TkMFED_xk-dqY:21 My main reason for this particular thread extension was to ask if it was possible to know, by some means, if a Font was dodgy before exposing it to the Font manager. The thread has broadened out somewhat, so I guess, as with many things in life, it will be a case of suck it and see. But it has been an interesting chat anyway. Dave PS: Anyone out there using effTTT who always gets good results from a convert, as mostly I get duff results and wonder if my settings are correct? Maybe you'd like to contact me privately for a chat about it... Which I would appreciate. Thanks Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 1 11:33:24 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PYzBO-0vB000-08-GRV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:33:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PYzBO-0vB000-08-GRV; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 10:59:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PYzBO-0vB000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 10:59:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PYzBK-00046g-TA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 10:59:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 983D7D5BCD7; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 05:59:24 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293879564; bh=KZmb8JQgz30/i25iP+XEJau1gJYgioKPdzFrJJpS O44=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=FAfBJ4 lW4zT/DOvHkTedtcBgtKNYq6eli+n1CT+sPlc3+GJLM/UBmbiZ+jIXwS5+bCucdajJi O5M3yZ43aCfr3WqVu/WPX7OXW2S+DeSAGOb0G/fzuE+HRyJaLIvLYMf1O9xVk/+YENn hm7SepSIajypEv86/BmaLAnIk82lzTM= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wRxH3jRILgjm; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 05:59:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD703D5A9D7; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 05:59:10 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293879563; bh=KZmb8JQgz30/i25iP+XEJau1gJYgioKPdzFrJJpS O44=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=bdOSxD 1gNyQtXGW9Ke0q42rDfU9NJgt18VVnXJd40Peo+TvlH8qSCGiw/Aakk0dZX74YjGvGz oK3R60Bawm6olfj7YbeOeEA23dxjOZC9TAwKcFPMdk6WHsWcdWDyrmFmX38YdRp9xXM +0yvFrSAjg8T2SvOigC2aYbAnqHVPqs= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 01 Jan 2011 05:59:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFEF8D5BC46 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 05:59:10 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QfQLVkjkwPQg for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 05:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25862D5A9D7 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 05:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from AMD2. ([91.84.179.228]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p01Awd6Y007118 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 10:58:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: M Harding To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 10:58:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518eb8e811riscos@mdharding.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <518ea35f27dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <518dec1a1edave@triffid.co.uk> <518ea35f27dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 399 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@mdharding.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4-8v9mCG9YBrYJ3K1K4A:9 a=1z6Ox8na9kkxDKS9Na0A:7 a=QFdgotrXHo-Mv02Mjni14OP0qNwA:4 a=KAk2TcDuVqAA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=RkfaCpMI55gnqAdy:21 a=P13MA4-w6Vya1Uco:21 In article <518ea35f27dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > My main reason for this particular thread extension was to ask if > it was possible to know, by some means, if a Font was dodgy before > exposing it to the Font manager. Or maybe that might read "if a Font manager was dodgy before exposing it to a font." 8-) [ . . . ] > PS: Anyone out there using effTTT who always gets good results from > a convert, as mostly I get duff results and wonder if my settings > are correct? Another interesting thread. I sometimes receive magazine items (e.g. adverts) in .doc form with a font I don't have in RISC OS. I seek guidance, Dave, as to what effTTT is and what it does? Is it perhaps the holy grail of matching my fonts to Windows ones? Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 1 18:33:14 2011 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1PZ64N-4Fb000-01-9YW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:33:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1PZ64N-4Fb000-01-9YW; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 18:20:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1PZ64N-4Fb000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 18:20:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1PZ64L-0002EM-TR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 18:20:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53550D5BB15; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 13:20:44 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293906044; bh=O3JBCaBHVoLMqgjNW+tP2ca32zRg//qH0XThj4zo +cI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=qru/SS fj4L+H0QfQTXZpf3syPczCNgUGHiunnqlse6EYj5vkL/fD62eFYJh9tkMxRGYmyxD40 Gm022P+ri4wSfVRWnqQVJB1Qvd4YRSo/H9BnvQ259vvhnoKFKm1t0I7/jSFznIEX7rG YAvyLkpRp9n3WocbkC2TaAzSV+AcSOo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lmbP3Ek1DFJV; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 13:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB77ED5BA66; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 13:20:30 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=freelists.org; s=turing; t=1293906043; bh=O3JBCaBHVoLMqgjNW+tP2ca32zRg//qH0XThj4zo +cI=; h=MIME-Version:From:To:Date:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:List-help:List-unsubscribe: List-Id:List-subscribe:List-owner:List-post:List-archive; b=p0Tj1t fT7QGLLLuCUnbZNF1kAEUXeq3XpzkAv+hTO8G7FYIm773HzsPECHbiCqXTGR02ifap1 TE7lSud8h95atb0zXJJxijED3tcj3Xfg5A65JwMWUkM+KP9uHYUn8JHZxWuUf1XiPjW VuHDAXdBg1V3GoUfybU7KEUPrkzAGw4= Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 01 Jan 2011 13:20:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85556D5BA8E for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 13:20:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QH0K-QLJcSAd for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 13:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC894D5BA66 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 13:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom ([91.84.91.214]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p01IJs4G013992 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:19:58 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 18:19:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Fonts again Message-ID: <518ee140e3dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <518eb8e811riscos@mdharding.org.uk> References: <518dec1a1edave@triffid.co.uk> <518ea35f27dave@triffid.co.uk> <518eb8e811riscos@mdharding.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.20) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 400 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=62_Z3wagLhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Ec7uXxgCAAAA:8 a=ZsDIRQ3oAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GzOX3QggWqlPGErwNaYA:9 a=cD1_TX8UXIhjBapGJxIA:7 a=0CBhEeNLNlPV37aXaTo5ygTPoikA:4 a=5RDyCMV20fypLGwV:21 a=dcDTpSrrFrzNEEn3:21 In article <518eb8e811riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding wrote: [Snippy] > Another interesting thread. I sometimes receive magazine items (e.g. > adverts) in .doc form with a font I don't have in RISC OS. I seek > guidance, Dave, as to what effTTT is and what it does? Is it perhaps > the holy grail of matching my fonts to Windows ones? > Michael Harding Michael, It's a RO application that will convert a TrueType font into a RISC OS Font. http://www.eff.co.uk/AcornSoft/index.htm It's a paid for application, but there is a free tryout version. Personally I've no use for it, but Fay, my dear wife, receives a lot of documents from other OSs, and also writes and sends to other OSs so I'm often called to convert something... So, if you have access to a TrueType font and need it on your RO machine, shove it throught !effTTT or get a friend to do it for you, and Bob's your Uncle. Dave -- Dave Triffid To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling