From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 6 18:37:43 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NnrU6-0Dwknw-04-Diz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 18:37:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NnrU6-0Dwknw-04-Diz; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 10:43:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NnrU6-0Dwknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 10:43:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NnrU3-0000Bu-1X for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 10:43:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44156CDA3D7; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 05:43:43 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oFwqpt5ufzRJ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 05:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BE28CDA37B; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 05:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Mar 2010 05:43:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 148E9CDA334 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 05:43:29 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9pmvQYWBTefJ for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 05:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B659BCD9FB3 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 05:43:28 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,591,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="172443324" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 06 Mar 2010 10:43:27 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87AA09A003 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 10:43:26 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 10:43:26 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Finding position info using O-Pro scripts Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62.2.3174 (Qt/4.5.2) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2340 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=URLteWYmYSoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=9Vj2XLd0z3zJsTVJ_P8A:9 a=Ge5eF0KIIsSdMBQ9jhMA:7 a=1V-UsMrx9XesTxpVCBIjqbzsQgYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 I've not really considered what can be done with the script language in O-Pro before, but have been looking into writing an applet to scan a document and calculate bounding boxes around pieces of text in specific styles (effectively like an indexer, but recording where those references appear on the page, instead of what pages they're on). The problem is that I can't immediately see anything in the script language that will allow me to do this directly. Since the method of scanning the document seems to be to read text from the caret, I would guess that I need to be able to get the caret's location on the page, or location within the current frame. Is anything like this possible, or is what I'm considering too complex for the script language? -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 6 18:37:44 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NnvID-1EP000-06-9us.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 18:37:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NnvID-1EP000-06-9us; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:47:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NnvID-1EP000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:47:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NnvIA-0006cv-7F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:47:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70C53CD8271; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:47:44 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P49zblyLKhza; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:47:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7FC6CD6F86; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:47:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Mar 2010 09:47:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B634CD7F04 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:47:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tQTpSUnybQdQ for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:47:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F0EECD6F86 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.139] (helo=anti-virus01-10) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NnvHs-0000Vg-42 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:47:28 +0000 Received: from [92.235.171.138] (helo=[192.168.1.13]) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1NnvHo-0007Cx-Lw for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:47:24 +0000 Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:47:22 +0000 From: Jeremy Nicoll - freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Finding position info using O-Pro scripts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.29i (Qt/3.3.8) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2341 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tJO0dN5UL5IA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DfU6nDER82XWglHLTBUA:9 a=mU0H-HCgt1HAokjLbikA:7 a=YJCnKSKOvhvF5U2PYhBAJAnCVb8A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ZCy4N6s0_j3WwVyO:21 a=pFFPdQqbNmEA2vY0:21 Steve Fryatt wrote: > I've not really considered what can be done with the script language in > O-Pro before, but have been looking into writing an applet to scan a > document and calculate bounding boxes around pieces of text in specific > styles (effectively like an indexer, but recording where those references > appear on the page, instead of what pages they're on). If one can find the position of a single character in the stream of characters in a particular frame, and if that frame is the one that holds the whole chapter, then you may be able to find the character number of the first and last characters on each page. Then you might at least be able to say that (say) the first or last character in a bounded section is positioned - say - 20% of the way into page . -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 6 19:07:20 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NnzI4-2tgVbs-04-ERX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 19:07:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NnzI4-2tgVbs-04-ERX; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:03:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NnzI4-2tgVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:03:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NnzHt-0001xh-4E for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:03:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A30BECD9619; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:03:39 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QIIzUC8ryDH3; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B395CD8DC4; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:03:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44B4CCD94D3 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:03:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9f1zqLEWhen7 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D284ACD8DC4 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:03:24 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,595,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="179475754" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 06 Mar 2010 19:03:22 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839769A018 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 19:03:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 19:03:19 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Finding position info using O-Pro scripts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62.2.3174 (Qt/4.5.2) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2342 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tJO0dN5UL5IA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=DNS-LIeQAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wNA5jp0l2rFIDnMoj5sA:9 a=qbdao1KWvG4JJkh42rsA:7 a=zxrTN_VNXhUl8THyYF-zvc8mjMMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=3H1TIQikGg3wvcVV:21 a=WzvhFfBpHaJKM78G:21 On 6 Mar, Jeremy Nicoll - freelists wrote in message : > Steve Fryatt wrote: > > > I've not really considered what can be done with the script language in > > O-Pro before, but have been looking into writing an applet to scan a > > document and calculate bounding boxes around pieces of text in specific > > styles (effectively like an indexer, but recording where those > > references appear on the page, instead of what pages they're on). > > If one can find the position of a single character in the stream of > characters in a particular frame, and if that frame is the one that holds > the whole chapter, then you may be able to find the character number of > the first and last characters on each page. > > Then you might at least be able to say that (say) the first or last > character in a bounded section is positioned - say - 20% of the way into > page . It would need to be more accurate than that, I think. I'm looking for a way to generate PDF hotlinks based on styles set in a document, so the target would be to be able to identify the position accurately to the location of the line itself. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 6 19:22:24 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NnzTw-3RiVbs-06-EFf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 19:22:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NnzTw-3RiVbs-06-EFf; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:16:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NnzTw-3RiVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:16:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NnzTt-0006UI-UP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:16:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 209B0CD9100; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:16:08 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zs8XoBlbVwzz; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:16:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7269DCD8DFD; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:15:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53C10CD9100 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:15:54 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5eF+h6udz9Li for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 145F5CD8DFD for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NnzTb-0003fI-o1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:15:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 19:14:38 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Finding position info using O-Pro scripts References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2343 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tJO0dN5UL5IA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=kvUh2t43ysHg74o-dpEA:7 a=UbPFtKqPZacLRF46Ug2BlXx2__cA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=AG3F7y6m3Sn2jCiU:21 a=FUpB5pUyB6B2eU1g:21 In message , Steve Fryatt writes >I've not really considered what can be done with the script language in >O-Pro before, but have been looking into writing an applet to scan a >document and calculate bounding boxes around pieces of text in specific The script language is deficient in anything like character positions (in x y space). Now you mention it, the simple addition of a way of returning the caret x,y position would open up a lot of possibilities. One could then find line widths etc. etc. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 14 18:58:28 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NqszT-0Hk000-04-Dky.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:58:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NqszT-0Hk000-04-Dky; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:56:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NqszT-0Hk000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:56:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NqszT-0003qn-5p for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:56:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64756CDA447; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:56:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1MuyREbI0O59; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B957CCD9799; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:56:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C138CD97F9 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:56:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tEnp0w8wl89e for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36749CD9799 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:56:26 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,639,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="174353273" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 14 Mar 2010 18:56:26 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F8B9A003 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:56:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:56:21 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Finding position info using O-Pro scripts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62.3.3175 (Qt/4.5.2) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2344 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tJO0dN5UL5IA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=VphdPIyG4kEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ZuXm0vNzeW6J_VKH65cA:9 a=47jXUZLRX4Aq8zQgmQQA:7 a=1js3SC4zLd7gkkw1AYudIuD-ZlEA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 On 6 Mar, David Pilling wrote in message : > In message , Steve Fryatt > writes > > I've not really considered what can be done with the script language in > > O-Pro before, but have been looking into writing an applet to scan a > > document and calculate bounding boxes around pieces of text in specific > > The script language is deficient in anything like character positions (in > x y space). Thanks; I wasn't sure if I'd missed something when reading the manual, but it seems not. > Now you mention it, the simple addition of a way of returning the caret > x,y position would open up a lot of possibilities. One could then find > line widths etc. etc. Out of interest, does "simple addition" suggest that it might happen at some point? It would be a useful feature if available, but I can understand if it isn't worth the amount of work required to add it. I'm afraid I'm thinking of the RISC OS version here, of course -- the plan was to write a small applet to complement another piece of my software on the platform. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 14 21:13:32 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NquvY-06bknw-08-Bot.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:13:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NquvY-06bknw-08-Bot; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:00:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NquvY-06bknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:00:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NquvU-00041y-Vt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:00:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6F98CDA646; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:00:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0ECSEaPmiIbP; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F32F7CDA4E4; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:00:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CB64CDA586 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:00:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4L3uid3tNcSb for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D094CDA4E4 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NquvA-0004eo-Zy for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:00:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:59:15 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Finding position info using O-Pro scripts References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2345 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tJO0dN5UL5IA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rttZrzTxm7w_zkOsFP0A:9 a=fVfP86PibSYRvNf3yl0A:7 a=9XgzKhKTFC8tIcHsf1q9fnGo2BIA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Lb1Y6YHYd6xsFieF:21 a=UzTut2kDZqPn73NP:21 In message , Steve Fryatt writes >Out of interest, does "simple addition" suggest that it might happen at some >point? Yes I was thinking of adding it at the same time as doing a recompile for the Beagle board. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 14 21:43:33 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NqvSo-1Nzknw-02-BHd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:43:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NqvSo-1Nzknw-02-BHd; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:35:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NqvSo-1Nzknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:35:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NqvSn-0002sI-AS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:35:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B44A7CDA652; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:35:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j4HTlBTMLhvU; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 135D7CDA632; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:34:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E405FCDA63C for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:34:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03nRC7i8Mvel for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D39ACDA632 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([82.152.166.165]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o2ELYouo018009 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:34:51 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] From Word tables to OPRo (RISC OS)? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:34:46 GMT Message-ID: <2b300ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2346 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iEzkmtOq6mgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=U0LHxWt2mqfQoWW3poQA:9 a=6ow8o1IWkTVdOse04FoA:7 a=ECApOzoFVNxfRAZahh_iVPvadPIA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=ngbJSDY4ERl-c05z:21 a=zRliCY4AeN_tdP1S:21 I have just been sent a document with a fairly complex Word table included. I've solved the immediate problem by creating a couple of hundred closely spaced frames and importing the text individually to each. I'm hoping for the future there might be a better way. I have a Windows PC with VRPC. So far I've opened the document with Open Office Exported the text as CSV Loaded it into PipeDream. While it imports, each cell of the original had word-wrapped text. Exported as PDF OPro won't import pdf. Copied the table from Writer, and pasted it into Calc (Open Office spreadsheet) Enabled Word Wrap Resized vertically Saved as Excel 97 Loaded into ViewXLS Saved as Draw Imported to OPRo. While it works, it is horribly slow to display. Would Tablemate help here, and is it available to run on an Iyonix? While I can see it listed on CJE's website, there isn't much information. I had started thinking about writing something to take a csv file, work out its structure, and export DDL. Am I re-inventing a wheel here? -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 14 22:43:34 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NqwPe-3LIknw-03-AKn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:43:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NqwPe-3LIknw-03-AKn; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:35:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NqwPe-3LIknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:35:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NqwPb-00033U-76 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:35:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5441CDA6B1; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:35:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g3Tq6FbYpluq; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B44E7CDA620; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:35:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D662CDA51C for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:35:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5t9lUhvsMUwW for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F1B6CDA661 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100314223531.CZF10950.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:35:31 +0000 Received: from a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk ([81.111.61.254]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100314223531.MVUG21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:35:31 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: From Word tables to OPRo (RISC OS)? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Anthony Hilton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:36:42 GMT Message-ID: References: <2b300ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <2b300ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1ggfb5FlKZQUfF3vzm9UBYZ2uTfLsbs/8dSljwg5+mE= c=1 sm=0 a=DtJshPZDCrUA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=u9Uo7hrfIXyOs4ab4xQA:9 a=54CdBoF73JUDifPsTigA:7 a=ZNR6HiVyVUfDUcLOqcPGxqzco9oA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=f8dxr8MaQnmrWCSJ:21 a=Tx4vCz-NXdr1xCLc:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2347 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1FYT6YGVvdEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=u9Uo7hrfIXyOs4ab4xQA:9 a=WkUGjawQZJ8UJbxriRAA:7 a=g2jZbW_RuAlCZZ2hU-3Oh-mIYiYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=kJ7FSGpz1yyfN-Tc:21 a=w6Avh8aZ_OxIou7Z:21 In message <2b300ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> dated 14 Mar 2010 Alan Adams wrote: > I have just been sent a document with a fairly complex Word table > included. I've solved the immediate problem by creating a couple of > hundred closely spaced frames and importing the text individually to > each. > I'm hoping for the future there might be a better way. > I have a Windows PC with VRPC. So far I've > opened the document with Open Office > Exported the text as CSV > Loaded it into PipeDream. > While it imports, each cell of the original had word-wrapped text. Presumably Pipedream does not word-wrap within cells? Might Fireworkz do better? I have the demo version of Fireworkz from an Archive CD on my RiscPC which I could try if you'd like. > Exported as PDF > OPro won't import pdf. > Copied the table from Writer, and pasted it into Calc (Open Office > spreadsheet) > Enabled Word Wrap > Resized vertically > Saved as Excel 97 > Loaded into ViewXLS > Saved as Draw > Imported to OPRo. > While it works, it is horribly slow to display. > Would Tablemate help here, and is it available to run on an Iyonix? > While I can see it listed on CJE's website, there isn't much > information. If you would like to send a sample csv file I could drop it into TableMate on the RiscPC (TableMate does not run on my A9Home) and return it to you to see if you find the results acceptable. TableMate stores in an extended Draw format so even without TableMate you can view the files and import them into OPro. > I had started thinking about writing something to take a csv file, > work out its structure, and export DDL. Am I re-inventing a wheel > here? Anthony -- Anthony Hilton ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 14 22:43:34 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NqwWp-3TAknw-05-ADc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:43:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NqwWp-3TAknw-05-ADc; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:43:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NqwWp-3TAknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:43:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NqwWo-0007QY-JQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:43:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0932ACDA6B0; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:43:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6yFBrDDGlYmt; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B8E9CD98B1; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:43:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09ECFCDA51C for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:43:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eqvakhYC2VeF for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9189CD98B1 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:43:03 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,639,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="174368263" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 14 Mar 2010 22:43:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F03B9A003 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:43:03 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:42:57 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Finding position info using O-Pro scripts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62.3.3175 (Qt/4.5.2) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2348 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tJO0dN5UL5IA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=VphdPIyG4kEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_QfsDsIbSu4xnK187xQA:9 a=hjAyUOmTc0y6IhXOMMAA:7 a=jp8GeSJOPAuMpBRHV0t4EQbY9NgA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rPnQtiTZOu5IKkEF:21 a=2wXFcsKOK0b4h-bs:21 On 14 Mar, David Pilling wrote in message : > In message , Steve Fryatt > writes > > > Out of interest, does "simple addition" suggest that it might happen at > > some point? > > Yes I was thinking of adding it at the same time as doing a recompile for > the Beagle board. That sounds good -- thanks. I'll put the idea on hold then, and not abandon it completely... -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 15 12:04:32 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NqxTj-0TrVbs-06-9Gi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:04:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NqxTj-0TrVbs-06-9Gi; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:44:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NqxTj-0TrVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:44:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NqxTf-0006kx-Hi for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:44:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F13B0CDA646; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:44:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ocWBgDcoFhhJ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BB91CDA538; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:43:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 086C4CDA54F for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:43:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6ErExCDJjCj1 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8FB9CDA538 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([82.152.166.165]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o2ENhqer023281 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:43:52 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: From Word tables to OPRo (RISC OS)? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:43:49 GMT Message-ID: <17011bf850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <2b300ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2349 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1FYT6YGVvdEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=BHQySqA3O-SywJxYCSwA:9 a=dgauigk0163NUHRW3L4A:7 a=YDaZg37atLylBWmEE13tzupcIMcA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=s_ScI4gQexk9t1f9:21 a=Yt_XLJZ3Fj2BHBsb:21 In message Anthony Hilton wrote: > In message <2b300ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> dated 14 > Mar 2010 > Alan Adams wrote: >> I have just been sent a document with a fairly complex Word table >> included. I've solved the immediate problem by creating a couple of >> hundred closely spaced frames and importing the text individually to >> each. >> I'm hoping for the future there might be a better way. >> I have a Windows PC with VRPC. So far I've >> opened the document with Open Office >> Exported the text as CSV >> Loaded it into PipeDream. >> While it imports, each cell of the original had word-wrapped text. > Presumably Pipedream does not word-wrap within cells? Might Fireworkz > do better? I have the demo version of Fireworkz from an Archive CD on > my RiscPC which I could try if you'd like. I need to get the table into OPro - I realised about that point that I couldn't embed Pipedream into OPRo, and probably not Fireworks output either. I'll send a copy of the table. Thanks for your offer. Alan >> Exported as PDF >> OPro won't import pdf. >> Copied the table from Writer, and pasted it into Calc (Open Office >> spreadsheet) >> Enabled Word Wrap >> Resized vertically >> Saved as Excel 97 >> Loaded into ViewXLS >> Saved as Draw >> Imported to OPRo. >> While it works, it is horribly slow to display. >> Would Tablemate help here, and is it available to run on an Iyonix? >> While I can see it listed on CJE's website, there isn't much >> information. > If you would like to send a sample csv file I could drop it into > TableMate on the RiscPC (TableMate does not run on my A9Home) and > return it to you to see if you find the results acceptable. TableMate > stores in an extended Draw format so even without TableMate you can > view the files and import them into OPro. >> I had started thinking about writing something to take a csv file, >> work out its structure, and export DDL. Am I re-inventing a wheel >> here? > Anthony -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 15 12:04:40 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nr6xi-1GJGPo-01-Gpl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:04:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nr6xi-1GJGPo-01-Gpl; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:51:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nr6xi-1GJGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:51:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nr6xh-00075z-Im for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:51:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A21DCD9F49; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:51:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U-+P8dRrhgm5; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A243CD9E8F; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:51:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FD4BCD9E96 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:51:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LNFxzNs6XT-V for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8067CD9E8F for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (77-21-6-85-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.6.85]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MN6y0-1NkXND0QmG-007FoY; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:51:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: From Word tables to OPRo (RISC OS)? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:50:14 +0100 Message-ID: References: <2b300ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <2b300ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+L6uUzf/edJVl620me4ZhQ8WR+S+LD1KKv5lb VDFq03lUyaHCrPdUZCISboY5RKOrhcLvnzy4nb900BXkJnBGVq 65VWBbc2Utlb10vAHObjQ== X-archive-position: 2350 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1FYT6YGVvdEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Gv2hNDkM02UA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Tw-vzuNB0P7KJ0jJ5AQA:9 a=EymhhIq-2tpeOQz9UOwA:7 a=UbQMzdTNQzWgRrJ09iLuBl_1b4AA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=Pmn9m7u1RQ5na3po:21 a=oRMWUXIE8UsQy8md:21 In message <2b300ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > I have just been sent a document with a fairly complex Word table > included. I've solved the immediate problem by creating a couple of > hundred closely spaced frames and importing the text individually to > each. > I'm hoping for the future there might be a better way. I can only think of one way to do that without losing style information: Import the file into EasiWriter and export a Draw file from there. That retains all style attributes applied to text inside the table and it also supports advanced features like pictures in table cells and nested tables inside table cells. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 15 12:04:48 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nr8Wx-0SgVbs-05-FGW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:04:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nr8Wx-0SgVbs-05-FGW; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:32:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nr8Wx-0SgVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:32:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nr8Wu-0005TY-HP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:32:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 206BFCDA752; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:32:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c-XNaUT6wRt7; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7288ACDA4BA; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:32:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49E9ACDA6F9 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:32:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 47ZxhW1IOSSJ for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.13]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13F83CDA4BA for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-26-76.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.26.76] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nr8Wd-000Jy1-Qi for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:32:00 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: From Word tables to OPRo (RISC OS)? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:27:01 GMT Message-ID: <33625bf850.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <2b300ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <17011bf850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <17011bf850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 2351 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1FYT6YGVvdEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rslXVNcQbAplq98StSoA:9 a=JnNsnnyqNSJvxZEcRfIA:7 a=8RHdqKvQ-yorvJopZk2_y8NfaTgA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Alan Adams wrote on 14 Mar: > I need to get the table into OPro - I realised about that point that I > couldn't embed Pipedream into OPRo, and probably not Fireworks output > either. from Firework you can export as drawfile. Anthony Hilton wrote on 14 Mar: > Presumably Pipedream does not word-wrap within cells? > Might Fireworkz do better? Fireworkz does word-wrap within cells. go to its style editor=20 (probably for the Base style): under Row, untick "fixed height". =20 that=A0allows a cell to have as many lines of text as required. i don't know Pipedream as well, but at first glance it seems the=20 closest it can do is split a line of text to a new line at the cursor=20 position (^ESL =3D edit, split line). will ask Gerald Fitton. --=20 Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 15 12:34:26 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nr9RC-2bFGPo-05-EMH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:34:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nr9RC-2bFGPo-05-EMH; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:30:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nr9RC-2bFGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:30:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nr9RA-0006oC-IG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:30:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B7E2CDA796; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:30:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p-qUGsG37+jl; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2E50CDA75A; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:30:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B95D3CDA75F for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:30:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o47B4wGRwScU for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52B03CDA75A for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o2FCTtNi026757 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:30:00 GMT Received: from GeraldC2D (cpc2-swin1-0-0-cust672.sol2.cable.ntl.com [81.109.86.161]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o2FCTrwB026726 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:29:54 GMT Message-ID: <4C993B2FC7914511B0095D04D298553D@GeraldC2D> From: "Gerald Chat" To: References: <2b300ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <17011bf850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <33625bf850.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: From Word tables to OPRo (RISC OS)? Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:29:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-archive-position: 2352 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gerald.chat@abacusline.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1FYT6YGVvdEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=H4CvylMLrNcA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7gNBchXI_vpH0oNDsWEA:9 a=MDKCtFg8HHnJcS-u1h4A:7 a=jyBG2DMwQkEVUOzpmPTnu7Vfv7MA:4 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=6WdJoP4O_CqOjNVg:21 a=91CSdYgkVGapXbEV:21 On Monday, March 15, 2010 11:27 AM, Jim Nagel wrote: > Anthony Hilton wrote on 14 Mar: >> Presumably Pipedream does not word-wrap within cells? >> Might Fireworkz do better? > > Fireworkz does word-wrap within cells. > > i don't know Pipedream as well, but at first glance it seems the > closest it can do is split a line of text to a new line at the cursor > position (^ESL = edit, split line). will ask Gerald Fitton. If you have a very long line of text (without CR and without LF) and load that into a PipeDream cell then all of the line of text will be in the cell but you won't be able to see it. If you place the cursor somewhere in that line of text and tap then the remainder of the line of text will appear in the next row. Fireworkz will word wrap automatically and, with 'fixed row height' unticked, the height of the row will change to accommodate the extra line of text. However. if you want to force a new line within a cell then you need to execute rather than just a . This can cause problems if you want to transfer, say, a set of names and addresses to another program. Gerald To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 15 18:14:16 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NrEcJ-2oAGPo-03-9BA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:14:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NrEcJ-2oAGPo-03-9BA; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:02:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NrEcJ-2oAGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:02:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NrEcH-0006C2-LF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:02:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4796BCDB514; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:02:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UlWrtjOSQRkO; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 665EACDB483; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:01:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D6ADCDB4B2 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:01:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vR2fg0HEh3VA for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB206CDB483 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([82.153.195.150]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o2FI1tMV003314 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:01:55 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: From Word tables to OPRo (RISC OS)? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:01:43 GMT Message-ID: <10857ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <2b300ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2353 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1FYT6YGVvdEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=zWgfl-yOVES1I3ysDbgA:9 a=lOoO2FIareW0gxU-3NwA:7 a=suDkP8w0MRVdKPXmWHHA0nux3Y0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=sMmAFBh61_4AD6NP:21 a=Yi51SWTJ2QwmB-EM:21 In message Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <2b300ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> > Alan Adams wrote: >> I have just been sent a document with a fairly complex Word table >> included. I've solved the immediate problem by creating a couple of >> hundred closely spaced frames and importing the text individually to >> each. >> I'm hoping for the future there might be a better way. > I can only think of one way to do that without losing style > information: Import the file into EasiWriter and export a Draw file > from there. That retains all style attributes applied to text inside > the table and it also supports advanced features like pictures in > table cells and nested tables inside table cells. That sounds useful. Unfortunately the version I have doesn't manage that - maybe it's because it is 7.11, dated 2000. Writer on the Iyonix can't handle it either. Maybe I need an upgrade... Is the resulting draw file vector graphics? I've been caught out by other software exporting in what should be a vector format, but actually producing an embedded bitmap. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 15 23:14:21 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NrJMX-09h000-08-CxS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NrJMX-09h000-08-CxS; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:06:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NrJMX-09h000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:06:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NrJMT-0007TQ-9n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:06:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65AB7CDB879; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:41:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8TK6N1FZgIgw; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBD3ECDB82A; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:41:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F4DECD8D8B for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:41:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aQehyIAQlMRD for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0843CDB82A for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:36:24 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,644,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="181700739" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 15 Mar 2010 22:35:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FBB19A003 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:35:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:35:57 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: From Word tables to OPRo (RISC OS)? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <10857ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <2b300ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <10857ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62.3.3175 (Qt/4.5.2) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2354 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1FYT6YGVvdEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=VphdPIyG4kEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=FXbH6wR_H9pUNcO58r4A:9 a=fq7FL_qRLM8O8A00sVgA:7 a=DJW0F0wGteqRM1ixUg0Gvfvw-VYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=pXFN2OAzRHAlQXvV:21 a=VejYC-WJ7w8CsVK7:21 On 15 Mar, Alan Adams wrote in message <10857ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk>: > Is the resulting draw file vector graphics? I've been caught out by other > software exporting in what should be a vector format, but actually > producing an embedded bitmap. When I've done this in the past, the contents have been vector. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 16 20:52:43 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NrSvN-4DJknw-01-Bv8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:52:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NrSvN-4DJknw-01-Bv8; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:18:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NrSvN-4DJknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:18:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NrSvI-0005wI-Kk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:18:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FBAECDAAC5; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:18:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5jjbq2NfYE9G; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92434CDAA3B; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:18:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69643CDAA5C for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:18:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FR+PtAtKclSp for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CAEECDAA3B for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (77-21-6-10-dynip.superkabel.de [77.21.6.10]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LzWX0-1Ndq0e0FqU-014osA; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:18:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: From Word tables to OPRo (RISC OS)? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:17:53 +0100 Message-ID: References: <2b300ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <10857ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <10857ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18ddB5LPa+3VABwWQj87rWUGw7Eb9cy1WRg2we U5Y4Y9932HGUlEbb2HVkfQ2uGyIj91siWoKUHbNHDvRb6uVOFe trxDeIaT2tkXsuGV+k/WQ== X-archive-position: 2355 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1FYT6YGVvdEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Gv2hNDkM02UA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kc-0LnfBqOMiQteMDskA:9 a=kOtOGzSEVcR7rZ9WSewA:7 a=U4jrPXHcgdFxtziToNFz1DDi3ucA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=mZIc8OdvyqUcdrYo:21 a=hFNUay65z8WxFOMa:21 In message <10857ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > In message > Martin Wuerthner wrote: >> In message <2b300ff850.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> >> Alan Adams wrote: >>> I have just been sent a document with a fairly complex Word table >>> included. I've solved the immediate problem by creating a couple of >>> hundred closely spaced frames and importing the text individually to >>> each. >>> I'm hoping for the future there might be a better way. >> I can only think of one way to do that without losing style >> information: Import the file into EasiWriter and export a Draw file >> from there. That retains all style attributes applied to text inside >> the table and it also supports advanced features like pictures in >> table cells and nested tables inside table cells. > That sounds useful. > Unfortunately the version I have doesn't manage that - maybe it's > because it is 7.11, dated 2000. Of course, there have been improvements since then but I cannot see a reason why 7.11 should not be able to do it. If you would like to discuss further details I suggest doing so on the EasiWriter list (icon-users@freelists.org - to subscribe go to http://www.freelists.org/list/icon-users). > Writer on the Iyonix can't handle it either. Writer is very limited and cannot do Draw export anyway. > Maybe I need an upgrade... > Is the resulting draw file vector graphics? I've been caught out by > other software exporting in what should be a vector format, but > actually producing an embedded bitmap. It is fully vector based. If you would like to send me a test file I can send you EasiWriter's output. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 18 12:01:36 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NsELX-0aD000-07-Fe4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:01:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NsELX-0aD000-07-Fe4; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:57:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NsELX-0aD000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:57:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NsELV-0001BD-Ed for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:57:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6217CDC03F; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:56:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OLA5IqvpEGC6; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21D3BCDB1A3; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:56:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE43BCDC033 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:56:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06YcvkohY3fe for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3907CDB1A3 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NsELD-0006G3-Xh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:56:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:55:33 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Finding position info using O-Pro scripts References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2356 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tJO0dN5UL5IA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NC0j_TE4YNn5col1yyoA:9 a=3JHakKw4QAu_ED7JJ64A:7 a=LeQj0jWa_3sNkt6_i_Jma_9EYiMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Bnd-3lGUaeV0GrrX:21 a=ZrakeuGlSWRRsZ9F:21 In message , Steve Fryatt writes >> Yes I was thinking of adding it at the same time as doing a recompile for >> the Beagle board. OK, I've done it, new version (17th. March 2010) at: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip This has functions for getting the x y space coordinate of a book mark, it has also been recompiled with the settings suitable for the new ARM architecture. I'd like to know if it now works on the new ARM machines (and the old ones). It's an upgrade for experts... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 18 13:01:38 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NsFEQ-3q5knw-03-ElB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 13:01:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NsFEQ-3q5knw-03-ElB; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:53:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NsFEQ-3q5knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:53:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NsFEN-0005JP-NB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:53:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4ACDDCDC08C; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 08:53:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id be8xDWLe+LOu; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 08:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91F14CDC073; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 08:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Mar 2010 08:53:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45755CDC07D for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 08:53:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LAQN6I8DztQA for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 08:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0AEB5CDC073 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 08:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NsFE4-0000QY-oh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:53:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:52:09 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Finding position info using O-Pro scripts References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2357 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tJO0dN5UL5IA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GGNgjxu3mFI_EdOWB0oA:9 a=7JzAzgAzW8woW2nJkIIA:7 a=f1wCANmNFiIE9uH4qN5FMax9KE4A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=LQfqeE91QYiKCb99:21 a=vJAXG5NtoMje_eQN:21 In message , David Pilling writes >I'd like to know if it now works on the new ARM machines (and the old >ones). First results are in and it seems to crash on OMAP. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 18 23:01:57 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NsOXP-2Bmknw-02-Dyi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:01:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NsOXP-2Bmknw-02-Dyi; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:49:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NsOXP-2Bmknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:49:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NsOXM-0005Ul-J5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:49:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB080CDC131; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:49:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jWETmIHP8vzt; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAAC7CDC094; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:49:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8339BCDC09B for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:49:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HndUJBlo4qV3 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D8CCCDC094 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:49:39 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.51,267,1267401600"; d="scan'208";a="175532637" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 18 Mar 2010 22:49:38 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2FFF9A003 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:49:38 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:49:38 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Finding position info using O-Pro scripts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62.3.3175 (Qt/4.5.2) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2358 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tJO0dN5UL5IA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=VphdPIyG4kEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nSq1udunYGpaDN8_jgUA:9 a=5riG3izoNeBpslfGywQA:7 a=F12OY7Y5fQD-woET1-ki1CJ70eIA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=5oCvFVsxJy0exTPM:21 a=kMz8CHRQrvhCBf2b:21 On 18 Mar, David Pilling wrote in message : > This has functions for getting the x y space coordinate of a book mark, it > has also been recompiled with the settings suitable for the new ARM > architecture. Thanks! > I'd like to know if it now works on the new ARM machines (and the old > ones). It certainly runs on an Iyonix. As to the new functions, I don't know yet -- there's a bit of a learning curve with the script language (having never used it before), but I suspect I might be able to give some feedback on the new functions soon. :-) -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 20 11:51:32 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nsw7g-1Svknw-01-EUV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:51:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nsw7g-1Svknw-01-EUV; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:41:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nsw7g-1Svknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:41:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nsw7Y-0004Jm-ST for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:41:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3824CDCB23; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:41:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Rmun-xabHFY; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6F59CDC3BB; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:41:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7CCDACDC3CF for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:41:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9WblOY-NzIGh for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18366CDC3BB for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:41:15 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.51,278,1267401600"; d="scan'208";a="175846698" Received: from unknown (HELO latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk) ([91.84.211.154]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 20 Mar 2010 10:41:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (unknown [192.168.0.101]) by latrigg.stevefryatt.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3506D25A001 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:41:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:41:14 +0000 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Finding position info using O-Pro scripts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62.3.3175 (Qt/4.5.2) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2359 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tJO0dN5UL5IA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=VphdPIyG4kEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=F9r4qSeF5aApt1KADPUA:9 a=WReLKOyTmgwxDfeazPUA:7 a=XJyNOgPzVXMX3HuctxrT_SkkZzoA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=KL6y4km8YuOeBm36:21 a=LYdLP6H3aeXMNGcP:21 On 18 Mar, Steve Fryatt wrote in message : > [...] I suspect I might be able to give some feedback on the new functions > soon. And they seem to do what was required. I can now scan through a document and locate start and end points of the baselines of pieces of text in a given style, and output this information to a file. The problem now is getting a bounding box: in other words, I need the height of the line of text. My assumption was that this could be based on the font size, so I tried something like the following (which doesn't consider line wraps in the text as yet!): // With the caret at the start of the style. setbmtocaret(bm); // ...find the end of the style with the caret... startx = bmgetx(bm)+getselectionx(); starty = bmgety(bm)+getselectiony(); startpage = bmpage(bm); setzonetobm(bm); height = getfontsize(); This seemed to work most of the time, but when I inserted some local effects into one of the titles I was searching for it still found the title style and start coordinates correctly but getfontsize() returned zero. Is there something else I'm missing, or is there a better way to do this? (One problem I'm having is that the other applets I've got access to often seem to do things that aren't described in the Script Manual. It's often hard to tell if this is necessary, or just how the author decided to do something.) -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 20 12:21:28 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nsxg3-11OVbs-06-Cw8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:21:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nsxg3-11OVbs-06-Cw8; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:21:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nsxg3-11OVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:21:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nsxfv-0001hI-SP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:21:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECA5ECDC9F9; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:21:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id syAOWpWm+Cg6; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46F41CDC4B7; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:20:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15B3FCDC52E for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:20:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2j-QQzCjjB2M for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net (out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.239]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB42FCDC4B7 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:20:46 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.51,279,1267401600"; d="scan'208";a="300811210" Received: from host-84-13-80-162.opaltelecom.net (HELO iyonix) ([84.13.80.162]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 20 Mar 2010 12:20:44 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Margin problem in OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Robin Phillips X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:20:35 GMT Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2360 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: robin-phillips@talktalk.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=PWWtHiYZ_28A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fYwEPQilitDo6mck2jsA:9 a=jPWjtI6bjqZy6kueHAAA:7 a=UCIr3M-u-7_yOWJz5Q3hUz2cvCoA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Dear David and colleagues, I have been using OvationPro for years, and need help with a problem. I have version2.77 of the software, and am running it on an Iyonix, with a Xerox Docuprint P8ex printer. I am trying to produce some compliment slips, of the size you might call DL, i.e. arranged with 3 frames 210mm wide and 99mm high, one above another, to suit a sheet of A4 paper. I have set the master frame to have an inset of 0mm, and similarly for the main frames, and have placed a logo on each frame at the top left. There are 11 lines of print altogether all set in Gill Sanserif. 8 lines are right-aligned. In the first "paragraph" lines 2 and 3 protrude to the right over the red line of the frame. After a newpara come the next 4 lines, and again the same oddity is visible, that the right end of lines 2 and 3 sticks out over the margin line. I have looked carefully at the "invisibles" and can see no reason for this. When I print the page out these ends are cut off. This is NOT due to the marins of the printer. I have adjusted them on the master frame and made sure there is enough clearance. Any suggestions would be much appreciated! Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, NG9 1BT To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 20 14:06:31 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NszA5-2A6GPo-03-BS6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:06:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NszA5-2A6GPo-03-BS6; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:56:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NszA5-2A6GPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:56:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nsz9y-0004JY-Th for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:56:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BFDFCDCA27; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:56:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jF6ANxinmQws; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCE6CCDC9CD; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:55:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A02E0CDC9ED for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:55:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id suDa6hV4RxcL for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5002DCDC9CD for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([91.84.93.220]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o2KDtteV022195 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:55:56 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Margin problem in OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:55:44 GMT Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2361 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=DEVi_-RkNUgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=g_0wNEBgAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=CFqfFIBkWvXLGjnBT5wA:9 a=GBlucRQeW3_tkuha9ykA:7 a=rDBI6FiF3B0EQnQZzyUNT9EPKC4A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=TJ6PkWiGNT7CU57q:21 a=TRqJqIdQ1qvbaMV7:21 In message Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear David and colleagues, > I have been using OvationPro for years, and need help with a problem. > I have version2.77 of the software, and am running it on an Iyonix, > with a Xerox Docuprint P8ex printer. > I am trying to produce some compliment slips, of the size you might > call DL, i.e. arranged with 3 frames 210mm wide and 99mm high, one > above another, to suit a sheet of A4 paper. > I have set the master frame to have an inset of 0mm, and similarly for > the main frames, and have placed a logo on each frame at the top left. > There are 11 lines of print altogether all set in Gill Sanserif. 8 > lines are right-aligned. In the first "paragraph" lines 2 and 3 > protrude to the right over the red line of the frame. After a newpara > come the next 4 lines, and again the same oddity is visible, that the > right end of lines 2 and 3 sticks out over the margin line. > I have looked carefully at the "invisibles" and can see no reason for > this. When I print the page out these ends are cut off. This is NOT > due to the marins of the printer. I have adjusted them on the master > frame and made sure there is enough clearance. > Any suggestions would be much appreciated! If I understand correctly your text is going beyond the default frame, which has no direct effect your text is clipped when printed Have you tried View-options-print margins. That will show where OPro thinks the printer margin is, and where OPro will clip the printing. It is possible to set things up so that the OPro margin is outside the printer's printable area, in which case the printer will either clip, or in the case of some PostScript printers, ignore the page completely. The OPro printable area margin is set via the page definition in use on the printer. Alan -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 20 14:06:32 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NszGp-0qLGPo-04-BLM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:06:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NszGp-0qLGPo-04-BLM; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:03:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NszGp-0qLGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:03:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NszGk-0006nm-HB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:03:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F42ACDC9F6; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:03:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NU16GfGL6S2Y; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A81D2CDC9C6; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:02:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 87982CDC9ED for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:02:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kxyAVC40GHZv for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 495AACDC9C6 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NszFw-0000bb-e3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:02:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:00:59 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Margin problem in OvationPro References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2362 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=DEVi_-RkNUgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=g_0wNEBgAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=AbhyvG39bTwcUSORisUA:9 a=eDIwaKCO5lmitby8vIwA:7 a=jLs9E88GK8ETM0gnmCi4jPuoT94A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=auyE3gl4LyG9cTlb:21 a=8Q8h7VyHJ3P05oSQ:21 Hi, In message , Robin Phillips writes >I have set the master frame to have an inset of 0mm, and similarly for >the main frames, and have placed a logo on each frame at the top left. > >There are 11 lines of print altogether all set in Gill Sanserif. 8 >lines are right-aligned. In the first "paragraph" lines 2 and 3 >protrude to the right over the red line of the frame. After a newpara >come the next 4 lines, and again the same oddity is visible, that the >right end of lines 2 and 3 sticks out over the margin line. In general if text pokes outside frames as you describe above then results are unpredictable. It can happen, but it shouldn't. There are legitimate reasons and of course it can happen as a result of a bug. I would avoid an inset of 0mm, at least if the contents are pushed up to the inset. As ever it would be easier to find the solution if I could see the document - I can tell you I don't have the Gill Sans font, and I suspect the font will be key to the problem. I wonder if the text that does not print tallies with the text outside the "red line of the frame" - if so the solution is to get the text back inside the red line. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 20 15:36:34 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nt0ca-1N9000-01-9zb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:36:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nt0ca-1N9000-01-9zb; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:29:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nt0ca-1N9000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:29:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nt0cW-0002kI-Vi for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:29:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CECE1CDC999; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:29:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i3PyBUnG5Jid; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F862CDC980; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:29:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F22F2CDC982 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:29:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YK6Xr+q1YkE8 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD633CDC980 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Nt0cE-0000b0-Yr for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:29:30 +0000 Message-ID: <1f7HeoG+lOpLFwYm@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:27:58 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Margin problem in OvationPro References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2363 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=DEVi_-RkNUgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pBJOl3C2Z9kGSxARiMUA:9 a=wAj5Ujuoe6uWBaehdKAA:7 a=QtTqswjSvX2wm2U4KgN_qPGlLmMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=uzIvKp73gwicWehh:21 a=xHqjz1octvCOYsKP:21 In message , Alan Adams writes > your text is going beyond the default frame, > which has no direct effect > your text is clipped when printed Alan - that's a good point, when I said text poking out of frames, I meant the frame that the text is in. As you say, text going beyond the default principal frame whilst contained in another frame means nothing. Printer margins are well worth looking at. Changing the print scale and position (in OP) can help you get your work in the printable area. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 20 16:06:35 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nt17Q-2gG000-01-9Ul.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:06:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nt17Q-2gG000-01-9Ul; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:01:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nt17Q-2gG000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:01:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nt17O-0007J9-Ru for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:01:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FD89CDC843; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:01:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E30ArgKZNKqp; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99A1CCDC515; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:01:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 758A3CDC66B for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:01:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B8yr0VvQnpSu for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CPSMTPM-EML109.kpnxchange.com (Cpsmtpm-eml109.kpnxchange.com [195.121.3.13]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08894CDC515 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([81.204.75.73]) by CPSMTPM-EML109.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:01:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:01:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Margin problem in OvationPro Message-ID: <50fb07ac8dPaul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2010 16:01:20.0612 (UTC) FILETIME=[94F96A40:01CAC846] X-archive-position: 2364 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=DEVi_-RkNUgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_nGwRhZldjvxJN0eUVsA:9 a=kizS4KucZT0CcP7F5eIA:7 a=v_YJjQbDBB5QrcpUroB0bO6ijfcA:4 > There are 11 lines of print altogether all set in Gill Sanserif. 8 > lines are right-aligned. In the first "paragraph" lines 2 and 3 > protrude to the right over the red line of the frame. Occasionally, it happens here too, when the required font couldn't be found and gets replaced by a font that has a wider face. For example, for some reason your Gill Sans may have been replaced by Homerton, which is a bit wider indeed. But probably, this is a pointless comment. Apologise. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 20 16:21:36 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nt1J0-39X000-07-9JB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:21:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nt1J0-39X000-07-9JB; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:13:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nt1J0-39X000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:13:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nt1Ix-0003oj-QY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:13:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51DA9CDC944; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:13:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i-7NAhRNo9PQ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63CC8CDC4C1; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:13:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4190FCDC6AF for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:13:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9EWbydo6W4WG for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5766DCDC515 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100320161313.UFUL10460.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:13:13 +0000 Received: from a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk ([81.111.61.254]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100320161313.GEMY21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:13:13 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Margin problem in OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Anthony Hilton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:13:34 GMT Message-ID: <29cc08fb50.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W3tOLUehizD4qj6VhtReFuw5MKb8d+XqjIxlDsIazEA= c=1 sm=0 a=Pi7Mb9Tn5W4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=g_0wNEBgAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=OxujcKtgAhYvQo2BmkcA:9 a=UphN0feAA3YAxDseCRxRBKZDYmEA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=dTXk5JOx14cVhKiV:21 a=qOq-6sHn6oYnhsZq:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2365 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=DEVi_-RkNUgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=g_0wNEBgAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OxujcKtgAhYvQo2BmkcA:9 a=ItlixGlaRmXbDiHQcqMA:7 a=qOSsyGUR87Iyl-zmD4-YrLOOpowA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=P0-cPrjQMq96fwCb:21 a=itdYu_agEGIJIu1Q:21 In message dated 20 Mar 2010 Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear David and colleagues, > I have been using OvationPro for years, and need help with a problem. > I have version2.77 of the software, According to the release notes with this week's release, version 2.77 has 16 variants - from the original 2.77 on 6th June 2006 to 2.77o on 17 March 2010 - so it is worth also reporting the release date of the variant you are using. Anthony -- Anthony Hilton ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 20 16:21:36 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nt1JO-3FN000-02-9In.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:21:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nt1JO-3FN000-02-9In; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:14:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nt1JO-3FN000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:14:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nt1JJ-0007OS-C9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:14:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5DCBCDC9D6; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:13:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aqkAYtE-3kFi; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F1DCCDC4C7; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:13:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38310CDC4CA for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:13:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bpUholUs-vTy for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1A26CDC4C7 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 12:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100320161327.SZGU14666.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:13:27 +0000 Received: from a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk ([81.111.61.254]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100320161323.GENR21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:13:23 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Finding position info using O-Pro scripts To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Anthony Hilton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:58:59 GMT Message-ID: <6a7607fb50.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=RnBsXHpyIX8A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=wpHkocLDAmMfkO24dNgA:9 a=FMLq1XWfT1h7BWEhEtkA:7 a=QIoRzY2DXZ37qn7z2Nz2tWOAI6oA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=OUDThx1unN2_-ZVU:21 a=lj6MBwgRaxK4geI6:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2366 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tJO0dN5UL5IA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lAh3TGRhcZLVK9TClRMA:9 a=TRaIN9r7y95OcnEDN5QA:7 a=kZH1ouDPODOFc8oEiW9_d45bLVwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=cDeUYUJCJvJ9wjqd:21 a=KXcuLGkWcnLJjR_Q:21 In message dated 20 Mar 2010 Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 18 Mar, Steve Fryatt wrote in message > : >> [...] I suspect I might be able to give some feedback on the new functions >> soon. > And they seem to do what was required. I can now scan through a document > and locate start and end points of the baselines of pieces of text in a > given style, and output this information to a file. > The problem now is getting a bounding box: in other words, I need the height > of the line of text. My assumption was that this could be based on the font > size, so I tried something like the following (which doesn't consider line > wraps in the text as yet!): [snip] > This seemed to work most of the time, but when I inserted some local effects > into one of the titles I was searching for it still found the title style > and start coordinates correctly but getfontsize() returned zero. Is there > something else I'm missing, or is there a better way to do this? Wild guesses follow: Did the local effects change the font size so that the selection contained multiple font sizes? Had the cursor been positioned between the close of a previous font size and the open of a next font size? e.g. if the cursor is the pipe (|) in the following is font size not defined and therefore returned as zero? <12pt>some 12 point type|<10pt> and some 10 point Distracting comments follow: Depending on what you are doing, you may need to consider the line spacing rather than the size of the text to define your bounding box, eg by combining getleading() and getfontsize() appropriately for the format returned by getleading(). Lock to baseline grid can also have a dramatic affect line spacing. Hoping there is some sense and relevance in this response. Anthony -- Anthony Hilton ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 20 17:21:38 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nt2FC-2Rdknw-03-GtV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:21:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nt2FC-2Rdknw-03-GtV; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:13:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nt2FC-2Rdknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:13:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nt2F5-0001Ac-HQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:13:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB055CDC7ED; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:13:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WslH09qMaXTe; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1774CDC748; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:13:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CEDF9CDC7E5 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:13:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 70XvCR1NB-Bu for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95578CDC748 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Nt2En-0005QK-bM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:13:25 +0000 Message-ID: <9S5V9AI3HQpLFw59@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:12:23 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Finding position info using O-Pro scripts References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2367 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tJO0dN5UL5IA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=V8QtnuOVR8Q9xu4a8HUA:7 a=Vj4MGNMjRq0P6NjCZXBekBYfps0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=zzVxIqr1Gs2gBkcz:21 a=7dx4w-A0YqTwcfKQ:21 In message , Steve Fryatt writes >On 18 Mar, Steve Fryatt wrote in message > : > >The problem now is getting a bounding box: in other words, I need the height >of the line of text. My assumption was that this could be based on the font >size, so I tried something like the following (which doesn't consider line >wraps in the text as yet!): There's a lot of complexity in the bounding box. When I started writing DTP software, books would say things like "the point size is the height of the font from the highest ascender to the lowest descender" and it's not. A line of 12 point text, probably pokes 11 points above the line and 4 below. Depends on the font, and depends on the characters in use. Later versions of OP offer to calculate the bounding box for lines using characters 32..127 alone or plus characters 128..255. >and start coordinates correctly but getfontsize() returned zero. Is there >something else I'm missing, or is there a better way to do this? The thing that springs to mind is "caretcontext()" some functions need you to call this function first to read the values where the caret is. >(One problem I'm having is that the other applets I've got access to often >seem to do things that aren't described in the Script Manual. Such as? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 20 17:21:38 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nt2KS-10xknw-04-GoF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:21:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nt2KS-10xknw-04-GoF; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:19:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nt2KS-10xknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:19:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nt2KP-0007Bl-8q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:19:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 326A1CDC2D0; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:19:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id quZRqvjj+O3j; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B427CDC2DF; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:18:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 481A0CDC313 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:18:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4x0G6OEd5GQP for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net (out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net [62.24.128.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1719CDC2DF for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:18:54 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqwIAKagpEtZ8c4z/2dsb2JhbACQTYpxc7x8DYRwBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.51,279,1267401600"; d="scan'208";a="318054442" Received: from unknown (HELO iyonix) ([89.241.206.51]) by out1.ip02ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 20 Mar 2010 17:18:53 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Margin problem in OvationPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Robin Phillips X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:14:45 GMT Message-ID: <4b660efb50.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <29cc08fb50.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <29cc08fb50.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2368 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: robin-phillips@talktalk.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=DEVi_-RkNUgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=VphdPIyG4kEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=g_0wNEBgAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=559D9t0IZ5b99U-U1mkA:9 a=vg-gRBpYLqS6L4-RkLEA:7 a=NTJXDA6mlbMc8M8al-5hoyaZlGwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=cFvZUwe9UNkGywZn:21 a=weiSoUl37sykigkC:21 Sorry, Anthony! I had no idea there were so many variants. Mine is 19th March 2007. R.Ph. In message <29cc08fb50.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> Anthony Hilton wrote: > In message dated 20 > Mar 2010 > Robin Phillips wrote: > >> Dear David and colleagues, > >> I have been using OvationPro for years, and need help with a problem. >> I have version2.77 of the software, > > According to the release notes with this week's release, version 2.77 > has 16 variants - from the original 2.77 on 6th June 2006 to 2.77o on > 17 March 2010 - so it is worth also reporting the release date of the > variant you are using. > > Anthony > -- Robin Phillips, NG9 1BT To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 20 18:21:40 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nt38h-2wqknw-04-G00.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:21:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nt38h-2wqknw-04-G00; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:11:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nt38h-2wqknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:11:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nt38d-0002tF-PC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:11:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 904EACDC760; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:11:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G20EqwBAdhHu; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0443CDB79C; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:10:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFE84CDC4C1 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:10:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id arAlOnq5bI6D for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85B8DCDB79C for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Nt38L-0003H6-h2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:10:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:09:25 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Margin problem in OvationPro References: <29cc08fb50.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> <4b660efb50.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4b660efb50.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2369 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=DEVi_-RkNUgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=g_0wNEBgAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Io1ALOVrdiViB3kk0-YA:9 a=jn4Qw02r9fo9U1lzYQkA:7 a=OK7fSpSfEDzk1-0sTFmBZbHlxBsA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=yvL-3X1Xu7cKD6Ub:21 a=1iw6FWdXrFtAaWlS:21 In message <4b660efb50.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk>, Robin Phillips writes >Sorry, Anthony! I had no idea there were so many variants. >Mine is 19th March 2007. Yours is well out of date... upgrade from: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip but I'm not suggesting the upgrade will fix your problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 22 12:01:08 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NtgBZ-2jyGPo-05-B3C.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:01:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NtgBZ-2jyGPo-05-B3C; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:52:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NtgBZ-2jyGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:52:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NtgBS-0002QJ-67 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:52:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7EBFCDD28A; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:52:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RIFHBQwtuSsx; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37EFCCDD273; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:52:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09B47CDD281 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:52:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gCQv-ji-5KEF for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.adsl24.co.uk (pluto.adsl24.co.uk [84.234.17.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A53A7CDD273 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [109.224.128.114] (helo=Iyonix) by pluto.adsl24.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtgB6-0005J3-TJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:52:17 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs 1.10 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:52:10 GMT Message-ID: X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - pluto.adsl24.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianhowlett.me.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-archive-position: 2370 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VmWDVHXs0uP5MoZUuz8A:9 a=heO9_mWbLDZNIs09TT4A:7 a=9u8fIsiHsZwE0m-X6AlVCUSkWLoA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 Hi Over the weekend just past, I carried out my regular weekly back-up of=20 !NewsDir. I use !SafeStore for this, backing up to a temporary folder=20 on my Iyonix's hard drive, and then copying the resultant folder=20 across the network to my NAS. At this point, I got an error=20 (unfortunately not logged) about a problem with an open file, so I had=20 to skip it to carry on. Not knowing an easy way to compare the contents of the two folders to=20 find the skipped file to add to my back-up, I searched for something=20 to do the job, and found that I had version 1.09 of !SyncDiscs=20 installed, although never used in anger, and that it was able to=20 compare the contents of two folders, exactly as required. I updated to=20 version 1.10 and duly found the file I had skipped, but instead of=20 manually copying it to my NAS, I decided to test out the main purpose=20 of !SyncDiscs, and used it to synchronise the backup folder on my hard=20 drive, to the one on my NAS> Primary directory - ADFS::4.$.Temporary.Newsdir=A0Backup.Newsdir Secondary directory - LanMan98::Linksys=A0NSLU.$.Newsdir=A0Backup.Newsdir= Scrap directory - ADFS::4.$.!Boot.Resources.!Scrap Log file - .^.Log - the option is ticked, but the log=20 file contains nothing more recent than October 2005, when I did my=20 original testing with !SyncDiscs. Having done this I thought no more of it, and went about my usual=20 business, shutting down the Iyonix after finishing. The next day,=20 started up the Iyonix, which went through the initial boot up and=20 splash screen OK, but then started giving errors from GhostScript just=20 before getting to the desktop, and generally misbehaving. To cut a long story (a little) shorter, I discovered that my !Scrap=20 folder was the culprit - the !Boot file had been overwritten by=20 !NewsDir's !Boot file, as well as some (or possibly all, I didn't=20 check) of the other folders from within the !NewsDir backup. As a=20 result, !Scrap was not working, so everything that used !Scrap was=20 failing. Restoring !Scrap from back-up solved the problem. Is this a bug in !SyncDiscs? Presumably I should just change the Scrap option in SyncDiscs to=20 ADFS::4.$.!Boot.Resources.!Scrap.ScrapDirs.ScrapDir as a work-around? --=20 Brian Howlett --------------------------------- You can't get the wood, you know! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 22 12:31:05 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NtggE-3So000-08-AYX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:31:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NtggE-3So000-08-AYX; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:24:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NtggE-3So000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:24:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ntgg9-0007O1-58 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:24:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6BFACDD310; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:24:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fb0QGQo2eTVf; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BB94CDB75E; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:24:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04D3CCDD2FF for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:24:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QFoRxuhhr2J6 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE42DCDB75E for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Ntgfp-0001hq-Xr for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:24:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:22:57 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs 1.10 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2371 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Udz-QxxgoVsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=HCrCHVouAAAA:8 a=SWMmumL4AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=W1uFZoMKP-Sc7gPHYvMA:9 a=d5ul3LHDA0aZYGf2B5MA:7 a=rVG4IurVUoDmmFTghTZm11rJytMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HHEO7K5CKW7-bD99:21 a=8kTu7ZodxKsGEMBE:21 Hi, In message , Brian Howlett writes >Is this a bug in !SyncDiscs? I think not. It's probably a case of WYAFYG - "what you ask for you get". You told SyncDiscs to use !Scrap to save anything that it deleted. So when SyncDiscs deleted (or overwrote) a !Boot file, it copied it to !Scrap.!Boot. The modern (c 1991) idea for !Scrap is that when you use it you create a folder of your own a few levels down for your scrap files, you don't use the top level. It's really designed for software to use. Although SyncDiscs uses the term "scrap folder", it's not intending you to use literally use !Scrap, the idea is that the user creates a folder for holding things they want a last chance copy of. Those living life on the edge can leave the scrap folder entry blank. It would be quite legitimate for the contents of !Scrap to be wiped on every system boot - if you had your system set up to do that there'd be no point putting anything in it you wanted to keep. ".^.Log" says the log file should be in the same folder as !SyncDiscs (i.e. not in !SyncDiscs) so maybe you're looking in the wrong place. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 22 12:31:05 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NtgiX-3iN000-08-AWE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:31:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NtgiX-3iN000-08-AWE; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:26:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NtgiX-3iN000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:26:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NtgiU-0007jO-PP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:26:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A93ECDD319; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:26:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8r0ZXO20zvYt; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A310CDD317; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:26:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 353C3CDD318 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:26:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ihs9tmwPI6KG for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8C10CDD317 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:26:29 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAC//pkvUnw4R/2dsb2JhbACbK3O6KIR9BA Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net ([212.159.14.17]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 22 Mar 2010 12:26:28 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1NtgiB-0001eZ-Ur for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:26:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:26:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs 1.10 Message-ID: <50fbfba3b0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 208af6439e5c6a46bcf499ae97d2824d X-archive-position: 2372 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Udz-QxxgoVsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=HCrCHVouAAAA:8 a=SWMmumL4AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dEXkz6sDfXqYoYbTfQ8A:9 a=RpBo2BuHNbPQmTkmtxQA:7 a=pMmEAsBYUFcanlM-JaYcW4TKBrIA:4 a=0EqonljdsU2V9_Rx:21 a=tbkxxjnqtDRBChdt:21 In article , Brian Howlett wrote: > Is this a bug in !SyncDiscs? No, I don't think so. > Presumably I should just change the Scrap option in SyncDiscs to > ADFS::4.$.!Boot.Resources.!Scrap.ScrapDirs.ScrapDir as a > work-around? The scrap dir used by SyncDiscs can be anything, not the normal !Boot...!Scrap. Remember SyncDiscs will move a copy of any files it is changing into its designated scrap directory. It would make sense to set up a separate scrap directory, called e.g. SyncScrap on the same drive as the 'Secondary' or destination path of the backup process. This means you will not have a lot of 'back traffic' over the network (in your case). The scrap directory should *not* be inside either the primary or secondary directory, of course! The alternative, of course, is to leave the scrap dir writable icon blank. In this case files in the backup are simply overwritten if older, or deleted if no longer present in the primary/source directory. Chris... -- Chris... To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 22 12:46:06 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NtgpR-4US000-08-APK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:46:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NtgpR-4US000-08-APK; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:33:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NtgpR-4US000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:33:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NtgpO-0001kt-8i for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:33:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82177CDD339; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:33:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FHpjEp+H69UD; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8F92CDD333; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:33:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B84D3CDD335 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:33:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3B3XTxMeM0Ht for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.adsl24.co.uk (pluto.adsl24.co.uk [84.234.17.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 816F2CDD333 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [109.224.128.114] (helo=Iyonix) by pluto.adsl24.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ntgp5-0002Ua-2H for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:33:35 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs 1.10 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:32:40 GMT Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - pluto.adsl24.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianhowlett.me.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-archive-position: 2373 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Udz-QxxgoVsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=jOJPz2kv5J45IVvLKtQA:9 a=pjr4gPzUPV6I-fQ_g7sA:7 a=RqZAW8LSdydDqOEZfoa_hroLOQ0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 On 22 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > Those living life on the edge can leave the scrap folder entry blank. I've changed it to ADFS::4.$.!Boot.Resources.!Scrap.ScrapDirs.ScrapDir.SyncDiscs having created the SyncDiscs folder first. > It would be quite legitimate for the contents of !Scrap to be wiped on > every system boot - if you had your system set up to do that there'd be > no point putting anything in it you wanted to keep. Too much misbehaving software keeps essential stuff in Scrap, as I'm sure you know. I do go through it and clear it out from time to time. > ".^.Log" says the log file should be in the same folder > as !SyncDiscs (i.e. not in !SyncDiscs) so maybe you're looking in the > wrong place. The log file I found from 2005 was in !SyncDiscs.Resources - I've changed the log file entry to point to that folder for future use. Thanks! -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------------------------ This place would be a paradise tomorrow, if every department had a supervisor with a sub-machine gun. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 22 12:46:06 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ntgz3-2Wsknw-03-AFi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:46:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ntgz3-2Wsknw-03-AFi; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:43:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ntgz3-2Wsknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:43:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ntgyz-0004O3-Ex for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:43:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C62F0CDB10E; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:43:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aaCnKawYAHZj; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B182CDAB3A; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:43:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC965CDAB66 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:43:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qUpbZuPIPt+q for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D4C8CDAAB3 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:43:30 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAO4Cp0vUnw4S/2dsb2JhbACbK3O6H4R9BA Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net ([212.159.14.18]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 22 Mar 2010 12:43:29 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ntgye-0001Cz-K2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:43:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:42:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs 1.10 Message-ID: <50fbfd26c3chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <50fbfba3b0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <50fbfba3b0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 1c275f3737810e8b35d81d3c20d8e7b3 X-archive-position: 2374 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Udz-QxxgoVsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tqQT6Gh2yyGj_CfkrYAA:9 a=y2Grpbca3Dln9_B-EiQA:7 a=VfjydfJtmE_Be7rDE98RDmE27_AA:4 In article <50fbfba3b0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > This means you will not have a lot of 'back traffic' over > the network (in your case). That's not true, of course! The files will be transferred over the network to machine memory, and then transferred back again into the scrap directory on the remote machine. -- Chris... To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 22 13:31:06 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nthec-0jFVbs-07-9a9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:31:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nthec-0jFVbs-07-9a9; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:26:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nthec-0jFVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:26:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nthea-0000rF-Lj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:26:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E0EECDB434; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:26:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9bYpnavq-Wci; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD297CDB2D9; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:26:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83444CDD3D1 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:26:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N65vKmULEBBX for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.adsl24.co.uk (pluto.adsl24.co.uk [84.234.17.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F081CDB2D9 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [109.224.128.114] (helo=Iyonix) by pluto.adsl24.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtheC-0001xb-PD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:26:24 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs 1.10 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:26:02 GMT Message-ID: References: <50fbfba3b0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <50fbfd26c3chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <50fbfd26c3chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.16) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - pluto.adsl24.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianhowlett.me.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-archive-position: 2375 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Udz-QxxgoVsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RYWGFZG_TYYlwDtmE8EA:9 a=rvCW74T27iyX5Ag0P5cA:7 a=50acbJpxCf1us9hIM6WWNPL-MUsA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 On 22 Mar, Chris Johnson wrote: > Chris Johnson wrote: >> This means you will not have a lot of 'back traffic' over the network >> (in your case). > That's not true, of course! The files will be transferred over the > network to machine memory, and then transferred back again into the > scrap directory on the remote machine. I'll experiment... -- Brian Howlett --------------------------------------------------- What's the difference between ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care... To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 22 22:35:27 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ntq10-3JW000-05-9kH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:35:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ntq10-3JW000-05-9kH; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:22:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ntq10-3JW000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:22:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ntq0x-0002zT-5m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:22:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5886CDD0BC; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:22:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id me5CkcgLBS0N; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA9B0CDB317; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:22:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DD9DCDD062 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:22:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ouhwH--BvEhs for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.14]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DA48CDB317 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-0-60.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.0.60] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ntq0g-00015j-4s for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:22:10 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] OPro: skip to end-of-story To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:23:31 GMT Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2376 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Af7MP1EhmAQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=APgSTCGhbndGlumh_O4A:9 a=XZxvAmK918LmEyPab10A:7 a=l516-Y4_k2rB07HbwN2s6b-3VI0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 i want to go quickly to the top or bottom of the story that contains the caret. Ctrl-Cursorup or Ctrl-Cursordown produce an error: "Unknown identifier EndNote_c_CDown at line 1 in macro" what does this mean and what can i do about it? -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 22 23:05:28 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NtqV7-4fD000-08-9GA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:05:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NtqV7-4fD000-08-9GA; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:53:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NtqV7-4fD000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:53:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NtqV2-00054k-LQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:53:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36AC9CDD485; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:53:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 50RhYOB4k6qA; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30AC0CDD459; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:53:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 040F6CDD45E for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:53:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jyDiKUx+29nu for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A67F4CDD459 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk ([82.153.195.112]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o2MMrDnj032039 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:53:13 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro: skip to end-of-story To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:53:11 GMT Message-ID: <320e35fc50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2377 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6rvo5gaIMAQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=S4Oyq4tnfZbe9HFXAEwA:9 a=uY3eRRo6QSabuXqL52EA:7 a=4aV9Z3H5-12RQWS3KRWI694cDjsA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=paRATRnmcH0x9Ea_:21 a=DwZvhSAez3mnjlqZ:21 In message Jim Nagel wrote: > i want to go quickly to the top or bottom of the story that contains > the caret. Ctrl-Cursorup or Ctrl-Cursordown produce an error: > "Unknown identifier EndNote_c_CDown at line 1 in macro" > what does this mean and what can i do about it? At a guess, you've got a misbehaving Applet. Is there one called Endnote? (I'm thinking about footnotes here.) -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 22 23:20:28 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ntqur-18xknw-06-8qQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:20:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ntqur-18xknw-06-8qQ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:20:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ntqur-18xknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:20:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ntquo-00011N-Nh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:20:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF64BCDD4FD; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:20:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mQrkHYdljqRy; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02235CDD4EB; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:19:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D076FCDD4EC for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:19:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CAZJ+-6aFH3e for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99A7ACDD4EB for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-0-60.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.0.60] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtquU-000LsK-IY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:19:53 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro: skip to end-of-story To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:06:03 GMT Message-ID: References: <320e35fc50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <320e35fc50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2378 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6rvo5gaIMAQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=0YN4HRvAxuMbs9-0y3MA:9 a=roJMG3THo3qL1Vd2qKgA:7 a=zg2lRdizf5vTNtrCiHfw5Vz4aUQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Alan Adams wrote on 22 Mar: >> "Unknown identifier EndNote_c_CDown at line 1 in macro" >> what does this mean and what can i do about it? > At a guess, you've got a misbehaving Applet. Is there one called > Endnote? (I'm thinking about footnotes here.) showing on the Applets submenu are Contents, Fluff, Headings, Hints, AW quality, Page palette, Smart quotes, Replace with Effect, Together. inside Apps.!OvnPro.Applets i do have !Endnotes, but it's inactive. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 22 23:35:29 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ntr9a-1iAknw-06-8bh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:35:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ntr9a-1iAknw-06-8bh; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:35:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ntr9a-1iAknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:35:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ntr9W-00007R-U1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:35:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49295CDB470; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:35:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4c4UQMBEMaZO; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D8EACDB3F3; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:35:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40E4DCDB434 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:35:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FCfkzNwPql9o for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CEA4ACDB3F3 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Ntr9F-0006fY-Zq for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:35:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:34:57 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro: skip to end-of-story References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2379 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6rvo5gaIMAQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=btib2nWW--mp2vq-xFEA:7 a=aPhIndsyXlGPPcoBwaXBRAf2cWMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=Jfnmxbqp3pm64epS:21 a=_nobt1kBRwKNXY_2:21 In message , Jim Nagel writes >i want to go quickly to the top or bottom of the story that contains >the caret. Ctrl-Cursorup or Ctrl-Cursordown produce an error: > > "Unknown identifier EndNote_c_CDown at line 1 in macro" > >what does this mean and what can i do about it? Thing is an applet can define macros (for example for ctrl cursor up), which execute a function provided by the applet. At some point you (a) save macros and (b) turn off the applet. Now what happens when you press ctrl + cursor up? A function which is not defined is executed. The solution is to look at the macros window and delete the macros which were defined by End Note. I fixed this snag (probably on Windows only) so that if an applet is turned off, any macros it defined get removed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 23 19:26:47 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NtrXR-2YMknw-08-GkM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:26:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NtrXR-2YMknw-08-GkM; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:00:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NtrXR-2YMknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:00:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NtrXP-0006lk-I2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:00:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAC6CCDB62E; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:00:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6tcTQFAK+6vo; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A624CDB601; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:59:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1739ACDB62E for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:59:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1cBniAZbyNyk for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.14]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE953CDB601 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-0-60.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.0.60] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtrX8-000A13-Ck for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:59:46 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro: skip to end-of-story To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:58:50 GMT Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2380 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6rvo5gaIMAQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xJA_Ggfw0x-X5GGKbv0A:9 a=DO-79x2RZSj23gGj30oA:7 a=TFsfO1v4AFxPiT7C29li-6WkwnQA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=-DDdHQyRQr-IBz6W:21 a=6-DmD1X8KI4oWTp1:21 David Pilling wrote on 22 Mar: > The solution is to look at the macros window and delete the macros which > were defined by End Note. > I fixed this snag (probably on Windows only) so that if an applet is > turned off, any macros it defined get removed. ah, that's done the trick. thanks. Ctrl-Up now does what a RO-user expects it to do. i do not remember ever using Endnotes, or saving macros. might have looked at it at some point in the distant past but have never used it. so you're right: the persistence of abandoned macros is a snag. having looked at the list of macros now, i'm left wondering about a number of others. most cases carry no obvious identification of what applet (or whatever) set them up. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 23 19:26:59 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nu4gw-0v1GPo-06-C7N.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:26:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nu4gw-0v1GPo-06-C7N; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:02:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nu4gw-0v1GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:02:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nu4gs-0005qE-S9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:02:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32332CDC1C0; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:02:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2kpeMpPk68vD; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83DC9CDB01E; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:02:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A639CDB279 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:02:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h-4DSUYuwk5M for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.14]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 248FECDB01E for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-0-60.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.0.60] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nu4gb-000BYj-0u for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:02:25 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] OPro: searching for a style To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:03:33 GMT Message-ID: <0e6788fc50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2381 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=l9esN0IX4zQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=zQ5CP0X2au0CU4iJlpcA:9 a=cZ6-zDBC-TNycsK1Rg8A:7 a=acJ_-1z7f2q2uYTYhXez5rrZIYkA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 in the Find&Replace dialogue, is there a way to search for the next bit of text that has a certain style applied to it? the style in question is called Query and applies a yellow background to a bit of text. i guess i could use the !Contents applet to generate a list of my queries, but good ol' F4 would seem more straightforward and would let me see the context. found nothing in (r)TFM under Find&Replace or indexed under Style. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 23 19:27:00 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nu6YU-4czVbs-06-AFp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:27:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nu6YU-4czVbs-06-AFp; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:02:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nu6YU-4czVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:02:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nu6YR-0000ji-EE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:02:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07928CDD06D; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:02:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JH-Nn0MEAIcC; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57B9ACDC347; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:01:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D0E6CDD02E for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:01:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Iby5uvGmBw-N for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yergi.telenet-ops.be (yergi.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E33EBCDC985 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skippy.telenet-ops.be (unknown [195.130.137.84]) by yergi.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71826D079E for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:01:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from hoboe3bl6.telenet-ops.be (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by skippy.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFD69C003 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:01:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from nocme1bl6.telenet-ops.be (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hoboe3bl6.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1A12FA825 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:01:50 +0100 (CET) From: "Jan De Poorter" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [78.22.177.82] Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:01:50 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro: searching for a style MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 2382 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jdp@telenet.be Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=axYmBhPGgvQA:10 a=bSjia6ogt-QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ppmir8Dqpu_RL0eh3CIA:9 a=SMgyVZ-8HWUUoYJ9c3AA:7 a=o37m7EddsaKTHUKPyrIsbAUj0T0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=eK_5aIp9Dy4A:10 > in the Find&Replace dialogue, is there a way to search for the next > bit of text that has a certain style applied to it? > > the style in question is called Query and applies a yellow background > to a bit of text. > > i guess i could use the !Contents applet to generate a list of my > queries, but good ol' F4 would seem more straightforward and would let > me see the context. > > found nothing in (r)TFM under Find&Replace or indexed under Style. Try the SRWE applet from http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/applets.html Jan. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 23 20:56:49 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NuB94-1Xjknw-02-EBl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:56:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NuB94-1Xjknw-02-EBl; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:56:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NuB94-1Xjknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:56:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NuB90-0001VX-Q9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:56:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 780E2CDB623; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:56:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CW45Mla2GLmp; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0F55CDB5EB; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:55:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94323CDB5F2 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:55:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xE09M0jDw5uI for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.14]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F588CDB5EB for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-0-60.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.0.60] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuB8h-0004GF-RR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:55:52 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro: searching for a style To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:56:34 GMT Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2383 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bSjia6ogt-QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=I4CoAImwAAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=YBKDoXFod7UdBFZjdCkA:9 a=3CRQJFpnyh27switvqUA:7 a=pYt_FLuxVoK_d0cYaBRLCbnMpr0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=eK_5aIp9Dy4A:10 a=Jsfc0I8yKColgNvq:21 a=3QULTwBDeE624i4k:21 Jim wrote: >> in the Find&Replace dialogue, is there a way to search for the next >> bit of text that has a certain style applied to it? Jan De Poorter wrote on 23 Mar: > Try the SRWE applet from > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/applets.html OK, i've got the SRWE applet. the URL you gave seems to be the Windows version, but i found SRWE on Chris Johnson's site: www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/applets.html -- version 0.02 apparently dated 2003. SRWE = Search and Replace With Effects, i see. it's rather frustrating in use, though, unless i am misunderstanding something. i now want to find "any text" in the style "bulleted list" in my 300-page document because i want to check for consistency. in the Find field i type the wildcard \* meaning "any string" and leave the Replace field blank. i expect it to find the next whole block that is marked with this style. but it results in an error: "Wild card search text matches the null string." that's not much help. what am i misunderstanding? -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 23 21:11:50 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NuBJi-26pknw-07-E17.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:11:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NuBJi-26pknw-07-E17; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:07:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NuBJi-26pknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:07:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NuBJg-000775-UT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:07:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A61CCDD070; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:07:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VA-NLDtZXKQe; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DBC1CDC066; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:06:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 407E7CDC853 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:06:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jmU0iKAAVCkr for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f211.google.com (mail-ew0-f211.google.com [209.85.219.211]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CBF6FCDC066 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so461999ewy.6 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.180.202 with SMTP id j52mr816816wem.214.1269378404676; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (5ac33430.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.48]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q9sm12498348gve.29.2010.03.23.14.06.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:06:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Clive Bonsall Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-47--986573904 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro: searching for a style Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:06:42 +0000 In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: Message-Id: <5AE4A747-0C90-4037-ACA5-7D9DCCD45E7B@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-archive-position: 2384 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bSjia6ogt-QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=I4CoAImwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=IP2O5ylZWQCxPdy6PNUA:9 a=6Qt5kUtFBKpNHYtjbfwA:7 a=ziADG9tNKNwBejbeR_D_TFncbNcA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=eK_5aIp9Dy4A:10 a=tXtGd08Omczdlq5VKrEA:9 a=PuGxsmWtGp_r35j4n20A:7 a=XygLqnUkCVumXt7ePnWj6hF52sQA:4 a=NWjI-xrumzcA:10 --Apple-Mail-47--986573904 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 23 Mar 2010, at 20:56, Jim Nagel wrote: > Jim wrote: >>> in the Find&Replace dialogue, is there a way to search for the next >>> bit of text that has a certain style applied to it? >=20 > Jan De Poorter wrote on 23 Mar: >> Try the SRWE applet from >> http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/applets.html >=20 > OK, i've got the SRWE applet. the URL you gave seems to be the=20 > Windows version, but i found SRWE on Chris Johnson's site: =20 > www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/applets.html -- version 0.02=20 > apparently dated 2003. SRWE =3D Search and Replace With Effects, i = see. >=20 > it's rather frustrating in use, though, unless i am misunderstanding=20= > something. i now want to find "any text" in the style "bulleted list"=20= > in my 300-page document because i want to check for consistency. >=20 > in the Find field i type the wildcard \* meaning "any string" and=20 > leave the Replace field blank. i expect it to find the next whole=20 > block that is marked with this style. but it results in an error:=20 > "Wild card search text matches the null string." that's not much=20 > help. >=20 > what am i misunderstanding? You may not be missing anything. Look at the Softwarelist thread "OPW = and use of wildcards in SRWE 1.06" back in early January 2010: = http://www.freelists.org/post/davidpilling/OPW-and-use-of-wildcards-in-SRW= E-106 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D C.B. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --Apple-Mail-47--986573904 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Jim = wrote:
in the = Find&Replace dialogue, is there a way to search for the = next
bit of text that has a certain style applied to = it?

Jan De Poorter wrote on 23 = Mar:
Try the SRWE applet = from
http://www.davidpill= ing.info/cd/applets.html

OK, i've got the SRWE = applet.  the URL you gave seems to be the
Windows version, but = i found SRWE on Chris Johnson's site:  
www.chris= -johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/applets.html  -- version 0.02 =
apparently dated 2003.  SRWE =3D Search and Replace With = Effects, i see.

it's rather frustrating in use, though, unless i = am misunderstanding
something.  i now want to find "any text" = in the style "bulleted list"
in my 300-page document because i want = to check for consistency.

in the Find field i type the wildcard = \* meaning "any string" and
leave the Replace field blank.  i = expect it to find the next whole
block that is marked with this = style.  but it results in an error:
"Wild card search text = matches the null string."  that's not much
help.

what am = i misunderstanding?

You may not be = missing anything. Look at the Softwarelist thread "" back in early = January 2010:

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= --Apple-Mail-47--986573904-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 23 22:41:53 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NuClu-2U8Vbs-07-CYv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:41:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NuClu-2U8Vbs-07-CYv; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:40:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NuClu-2U8Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:40:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NuClo-0007aL-JF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:40:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6140CDC936; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:40:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vu4G23B9kUCs; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DFE6CDB3DB; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:39:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21F86CDBEFB for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:39:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MuOArqijsoZU for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DBD2CDB3DB for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-0-60.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.0.60] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuClI-000Fab-WC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:39:49 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro: searching for a style To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:04:04 GMT Message-ID: <2165b4fc50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <5AE4A747-0C90-4037-ACA5-7D9DCCD45E7B@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <5AE4A747-0C90-4037-ACA5-7D9DCCD45E7B@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2385 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bSjia6ogt-QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=By7tT_etcLlLA1t_Y1MA:9 a=6AbcL2SIIQV6gNy0fC4A:7 a=yMCaUVdw43prix3YGCtQvoZC7SwA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 Clive Bonsall wrote on 23 Mar: >> what am i misunderstanding? > You may not be missing anything. Look at the Softwarelist thread "OPW > and use of wildcards in SRWE 1.06" back in early January 2010: ah, thanks. i shall stop floundering then. i'll edit the style definition to put a temporary coloured background behind my "bulleted list" style. then i can step through the 300 pages manually and spot these sections easily. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 23 22:56:53 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NuCs3-2qXVbs-02-CSm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:56:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NuCs3-2qXVbs-02-CSm; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:46:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NuCs3-2qXVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:46:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NuCrv-0003Qi-CZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:46:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A6CDCDC914; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:46:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fi53uudrXjjg; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C0F3CDD230; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:46:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78E6FCDD060 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:46:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0t4ma7i7dutV for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail15.bluewin.ch (mail15.bluewin.ch [195.186.18.63]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80724CDD371 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:46:20 -0400 (EDT) X-FXIT-IP: IPv4[85.2.39.39] Epoch[1269384376] Received: from [85.2.39.39] ([85.2.39.39:6834] helo=ACER.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch) by mail15.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTP id 7F/6E-07388-8B449AB4; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:46:16 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro: searching for a style To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:46:01 +0100 Message-ID: <253cb8fc50.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 100323-1, 03/23/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 2386 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bSjia6ogt-QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8aRDV1frwn8qjHzuItUA:9 a=lHRaAYrsnfuadzjzZe0A:7 a=1GHzLJbGMDaD-1fBzZGK47NmqiMA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=QCPp2V_aRYqx28lz:21 a=3IJfXTT94dan8_KP:21 In message Jim Nagel wrote: [snip some] > in the Find field i type the wildcard \* meaning "any string" and > leave the Replace field blank. i expect it to find the next whole > block that is marked with this style. but it results in an error: > "Wild card search text matches the null string." that's not much > help. > what am i misunderstanding? I'm not quite sure what \*, especially when combined with some text. But you could try \a. that does function. You mentioned the ease of using F4 There is a key shortcut for the SRWE applet. Problem is that it clashes with the IDX applet. In my set up I changed The SRWE key short cut to Shift F4. To do this you need a small change in the final line of !SRWE.Library.replace: Change ("CS_F4") to read ("S_F4"). -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 24 12:05:02 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NuLZh-0JQ000-03-CHe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:05:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NuLZh-0JQ000-03-CHe; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:04:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NuLZh-0JQ000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:04:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NuLZe-0005iT-MJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:04:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE588CDC532; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 04:04:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VPWOjUvXag+R; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 04:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B9C2CDC40A; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 04:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 24 Mar 2010 04:04:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23803CDC4EB for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 04:04:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P304e3p0JbEU for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 04:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8563CDC40A for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 04:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20100324080405.OPMW10460.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:04:05 +0000 Received: from a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk ([81.111.61.254]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20100324080405.GTDO2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:04:05 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro: searching for a style To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Anthony Hilton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:02:30 GMT Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ZtHxNT4mZm3rCuM0SmWmgWxeBwJsziC8EqOrwwVkrhA= c=1 sm=0 a=IM8TUv52fBcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=Xks7reWxSqZo9k6oB90A:9 a=kFWa1NfV5VAVl8wmhlSyztiTvhYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=1_pBfw4PYHW0oAds:21 a=X_ZpP6SugNDM3imX:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-archive-position: 2387 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bSjia6ogt-QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Xks7reWxSqZo9k6oB90A:9 a=IuW_qI9YN5g7JRPlRP8A:7 a=kFWa1NfV5VAVl8wmhlSyztiTvhYA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=0QmBZptWSOXLJ24L:21 a=VMk8i9qNg6HM-Mc8:21 In message dated 23 Mar 2010 Jim Nagel wrote: > in the Find field i type the wildcard \* meaning "any string" and > leave the Replace field blank. i expect it to find the next whole > block that is marked with this style. but it results in an error: > "Wild card search text matches the null string." that's not much > help. > what am i misunderstanding? The error message indicates that \* matches any string including empty strings - no characters at all - so on its own it is useless. Try \. - any single character to find the first character marked with your style. I have played with SRWE and cannot find a way to find the whole of block with a particular style applied (tested with a style which has the scope of Selection). I think this is the best option for Jim. It seems the wildcard \* is generally 'lazy' - that is it matches the shortest possible ammount. For example \.\*\. 'any character, any string, any character' matches 2 characters. If it was 'greedy' it would match as long a string as possible within the constraints, in this case would find the whole block in the requested Style. Anthony -- Anthony Hilton ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 24 18:36:45 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NuRU7-2Wgknw-06-Etk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:36:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NuRU7-2Wgknw-06-Etk; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:23:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NuRU7-2Wgknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:23:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NuRU2-0006Xr-60 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:23:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5BA1CDD63D; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:22:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jtk4xGtyPcpk; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 096A3CDD60B; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:22:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CEDBDCDD62E for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:22:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kYRsoUuChVPy for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 233BACDD60B for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-0-60.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.0.60] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuRTi-000KlN-6F for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:22:38 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro: searching for a style To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:08:51 GMT Message-ID: <45b90cfd50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2388 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bSjia6ogt-QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dBWKkn0T8ssDB3vASa4A:9 a=vaveix14G_umKKSgCLwA:7 a=LHN0A9ED3oe8x3Q90wUpMHz5HbIA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=mFfmxbvW1Uz2Rw5K:21 a=NpdGktKze0NRiXzQ:21 Anthony Hilton wrote on 24 Mar: > It seems the wildcard \* is generally 'lazy' - that is it matches the > shortest possible ammount. For example \.\*\. 'any character, any > string, any character' matches 2 characters. If it was 'greedy' it > would match as long a string as possible within the constraints, in > this case would find the whole block in the requested Style. which sounds like it would be exactly what i want. what possible use is there in \* finding a zero-length nothing? -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 25 17:01:34 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NuqFu-0cyknw-06-FhV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:01:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NuqFu-0cyknw-06-FhV; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:50:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NuqFu-0cyknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:50:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NuqFt-0001a9-4P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:50:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 862DBCDDA5F; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:49:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X0zfdPEJG4mh; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E89CCDDA21; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:49:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77D2DCDDA37 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:49:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GYnKS6b1-aaX for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-in1-pp.ewetel.de (mail-in1-pp.ewetel.de [212.6.122.190]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12F29CDDA21 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucs.de (static-87-245-24-5.teleos-web.de [87.245.24.5]) by mail-in1-pp.ewetel.de (8.12.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id o2PGnfLY031170 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:49:41 +0100 Received: from martinv by ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 3.01beta5) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 25 Mar 2010 17:49:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:49:39 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Smart quotes feature Message-ID: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (RemoteNB/3.01beta5) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-CheckCompat: OK X-archive-position: 2389 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=5NHZEqstXrQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=0nVakUPdAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=chiYQ83FHShjJ2IFPusA:9 a=uVVQ_pcnEGeHjyT7HUEA:7 a=plDLcr_hHWGguIz6fB0wzFYW6gQA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=W0z3mPXKZ6YA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 Hello everybody, Is it possible to change the glyphs used for the 'Smart quotes' feature? Since in Germany we use instead of (=94=95) (=96=94) I am forced to either not use the feature or fix the quotes manually. I think this was possible and I once knew how, but memory fades like spit in the rain... Regards --=20 Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen Inhaber: Kai Uffenkamp USt.-ID-Nr. DE 125 408 721 email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 25 18:46:38 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nus4D-1vWGPo-06-DtC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:46:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nus4D-1vWGPo-06-DtC; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:46:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nus4D-1vWGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:46:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nus47-0006X1-CU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:46:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BF81CDDB11; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:45:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4cjPNrGn3pZu; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CDDCCDDB1D; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:45:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1219FCDDB11 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:45:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PH2XPlorggiX for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7BC5CDDB1D for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Nus3Z-0001lr-aP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:45:25 +0000 Message-ID: <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:44:18 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes feature References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2390 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q5TCfZdwkKUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=riONBAvngVKZGbRbYmAA:7 a=13ixX7trqHDwRX7mnJii_xfKJiQA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 a=oZdFn1xFVW1ng1Y-:21 a=VRZMuVwPooyX1wk_:21 In message , Martin Vethake =20 writes > Is it possible to change the glyphs used for the 'Smart quotes' >feature? Since in Germany we use instead of (=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A2) (=E2=80= =93=E2=80=9D) I am forced >to either not use the feature or fix the quotes manually. It should be easy to edit the source code of the smart quotes applet,=20 replace the quotes with whatever glyphs you like. I'm fascinated by what you use in German, at the moment they look a bit=20 like the smileys for "one eyebrow missing"... In the Win version it is this bit of code: type("{deletef}"+((c=3D=3D''')?"{quotesingleleft}":"{quotedoubleleft}"= )); else type("{deletef}"+((c=3D=3D''')?"{quotesingleright}":"{quotedoubleright= }") ); but the Win version understands glyph names, on Acorn it will be=20 characters, but at least the above shows you where each character goes. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 25 20:01:40 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nut88-3Ov000-07-CpH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:01:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nut88-3Ov000-07-CpH; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:54:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nut88-3Ov000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:54:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nut80-0003cN-M4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:54:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0822CCDDCD4; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:51:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AFYtS-dvTZIZ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A48FCDDC8C; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:51:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E597BCDDCBD for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:51:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nXaXXKQiogVG for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-6-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-6-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.16]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9F68CDDB21 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:51:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Trace: 194403035/mk-outboundfilter-6.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-ACCEPTED/f2s-freedom2Surf-customers/195.137.110.177/None/briancarroll@f2s.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 195.137.110.177 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: briancarroll@f2s.com X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtoMAINbq0vDiW6x/2dsb2JhbACHW5MIRHS/NoR9BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.51,309,1267401600"; d="scan'208";a="194403035" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net (HELO wallace.) ([195.137.110.177]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 25 Mar 2010 19:50:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:50:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes feature Message-ID: <50fdafd0f0briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-archive-position: 2391 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: briancarroll@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q5TCfZdwkKUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bfv4b3W1w2bAeqFJXnwA:9 a=WIh6lKzcQWs-tVK0t3sA:7 a=VwR9pki0BWYGOM93-ctbaBr9a_4A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 a=uUk1lbaPyaIsMKcy:21 a=EBJSByBElLatfMhd:21 In article <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Martin Vethake > writes > > Is it possible to change the glyphs used for the 'Smart > >quotes' feature? Since in Germany we use instead of (=95=8F) (=97=95) > >I am forced to either not use the feature or fix the quotes > >manually. > It should be easy to edit the source code of the smart quotes > applet, replace the quotes with whatever glyphs you like. It's interesting that the representation of Martin's glyphs have been changed by your quoting of them. Does this make it pointless to use beyond-ASCII glyphs in emails? Brian. --=20 ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, N Yorks, UK briancarroll at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 25 21:01:42 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NutzR-1ukknw-05-Bxy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:01:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NutzR-1ukknw-05-Bxy; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:49:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NutzR-1ukknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:49:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NutzO-0000CC-TS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:49:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE63FCDDBCE; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:49:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J11tJFyW4mm9; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18373CDDBB5; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:48:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E71AECDDBBC for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:48:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00wfOXB+ihVw for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA4C3CDDBB5 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Nutz5-0003Tj-eR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:48:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:47:55 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes feature References: <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50fdafd0f0briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <50fdafd0f0briancarroll@f2s.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2392 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q5TCfZdwkKUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=ka-x4lBJAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=Bax15qNdSYQUER8EJBoA:7 a=tFTKBWZbTYj8hNNgE6abqJd9RxoA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=kLgHpDIjQkwA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 a=J99dSd92i5UKtlhf:21 a=2wltILRbcRSZLVVa:21 In message <50fdafd0f0briancarroll@f2s.com>, Brian Carroll=20 writes >In article <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: >> In message , Martin Vethake >> writes >> > Is it possible to change the glyphs used for the 'Smart >> >quotes' feature? Since in Germany we use instead of (=E2=80=A2?) (=E2= =80=94=E2=80=A2) >It's interesting that the representation of Martin's glyphs have >been changed by your quoting of them. Does this make it >pointless to use beyond-ASCII glyphs in emails? In my reply as received by me the glyphs look the same as they do in the=20 original, however they've changed in your copy. I'd imagine that modern mail programs can go beyond 127 codes. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 25 22:01:44 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nuv6F-181Vbs-06-ArA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:01:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nuv6F-181Vbs-06-ArA; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:00:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nuv6F-181Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:00:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nuv6D-0007mo-2e for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:00:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14852CDDB43; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:00:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l5VcTeDqD6Mm; 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Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-18-87.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.18.87] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nuv5u-000Gxv-Oc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:00:03 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes feature To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:43:10 GMT Message-ID: <2327bafd50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50fdafd0f0briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2393 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q5TCfZdwkKUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=XE1MLSQ1cAHby5rP4GIA:9 a=hYRQmlEZjHLr6lCC5kIA:7 a=TeV01MtA99c84bwZV-s0xDcKMy0A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 David Pilling wrote on 25 Mar: > I'd imagine that modern mail programs can go beyond 127 codes. it seems that characters 32-127 (ie, 7-bit) are standard everywhere. characters 160-255 are pretty well standard (but don't be too sure) -- that includes all the western European accented letters. it's the middle line on the usual chart, 128-159, that causes the problems. that line includes quotemarks (French, German, English) and dashes (N, M and minus), and Windows and Acorn disagree about their positions. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 26 14:21:28 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NvAEv-3Bb000-04-ClW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:09:56 +0100 Received: from martinv by ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 3.01beta5) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 26 Mar 2010 15:09:55 +0100 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:09:53 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes feature Message-ID: <3c7d14fe50.martinv@ucs.de> References: <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50fdafd0f0briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (RemoteNB/3.01beta5) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-CheckCompat: OK X-archive-position: 2394 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q5TCfZdwkKUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=5NHZEqstXrQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=ka-x4lBJAAAA:8 a=0nVakUPdAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uinB_NkSRrZ1wzEzTjwA:9 a=UOQe_94XZ98W8Nw9BeIA:7 a=0eBmDyW6PufRJQ74Qt7Hwi5VmGcA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=W0z3mPXKZ6YA:10 a=kLgHpDIjQkwA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 a=gPcB7CoyULgRLc7p:21 a=bs4GZtVgluejPRFX:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <50fdafd0f0briancarroll@f2s.com>, Brian Carroll=20 > writes > >In article <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > > wrote: > >> In message , Martin Vethake > >> writes > >> > Is it possible to change the glyphs used for the 'Smart > >> >quotes' feature? Since in Germany we use instead of (=8F?) (=98=8F) > >It's interesting that the representation of Martin's glyphs have > >been changed by your quoting of them. Does this make it > >pointless to use beyond-ASCII glyphs in emails? >=20 > In my reply as received by me the glyphs look the same as they do in th= e=20 > original, however they've changed in your copy. >=20 > I'd imagine that modern mail programs can go beyond 127 codes. >=20 >=20 They do, but there is no guarantee beyond 7-bit. Writing on an Acorn I use iso-8859-1. When David reads that on a PC he uses Win-1252 which gives these 'funnies'. What puzzles me is the questionmark, maybe the software uses that when it doesn't know what to display? Regards --=20 Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen Inhaber: Kai Uffenkamp USt.-ID-Nr. DE 125 408 721 email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 26 14:21:29 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NvAKF-3fG000-05-CgC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:21:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NvAKF-3fG000-05-CgC; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:15:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NvAKF-3fG000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:15:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NvAKC-0002uU-Dj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:15:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55918CDDDFE; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:15:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id US7+zGuG5HA9; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 972AECDDD23; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:15:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73CEECDDDD7 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:15:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hAi3G-cSx+4q for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-in0-pp.ewetel.de (mail-in0-pp.ewetel.de [212.6.122.189]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CF14CDDD23 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucs.de (static-87-245-57-173.teleos-web.de [87.245.57.173]) by mail-in0-pp.ewetel.de (8.12.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id o2QEFQrZ025555 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:15:29 +0100 Received: from martinv by ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 3.01beta5) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 26 Mar 2010 15:15:27 +0100 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:15:23 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes feature Message-ID: <6ffe14fe50.martinv@ucs.de> References: <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (RemoteNB/3.01beta5) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-CheckCompat: OK X-archive-position: 2395 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q5TCfZdwkKUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=5NHZEqstXrQA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=0nVakUPdAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=chiYQ83FHShjJ2IFPusA:9 a=Cap9xKbGvYp3O3geJBUA:7 a=z_U4-w_BA7f1ot0Ppkl8ztbmAikA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=W0z3mPXKZ6YA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 a=ylc7yq0e0FOHSeHi:21 a=J80moW6Q-V7jVtM3:21 In message <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message , Martin Vethake = =20 > writes > > Is it possible to change the glyphs used for the 'Smart quotes' > >feature? Since in Germany we use instead of (=95=8F) (=97=95) I am for= ced > >to either not use the feature or fix the quotes manually. >=20 > It should be easy to edit the source code of the smart quotes applet,=20 > replace the quotes with whatever glyphs you like. >=20 [snip] So I _have_ to use the applet instead of the inbuilt function? Regards --=20 Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen Inhaber: Kai Uffenkamp USt.-ID-Nr. DE 125 408 721 email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 26 14:51:29 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NvAfz-1L8knw-04-CKS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:51:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NvAfz-1L8knw-04-CKS; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:38:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NvAfz-1L8knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:38:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NvAfw-00040s-TD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:38:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5CECCDDDA0; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:38:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8tAw-te0LDtQ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF819CDDD73; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:38:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A715ACDDD88 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:38:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yJTbUULsEGD9 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E37DCDDD73 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NvAff-00046x-c9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:38:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:36:21 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes feature References: <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6ffe14fe50.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: <6ffe14fe50.martinv@ucs.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2396 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q5TCfZdwkKUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=gfdf88UsZhW4YnnIaRUA:7 a=Gf1cP-rsNapydU_6TBJGPpVsowoA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 a=4x97AJE9CLcH3skQ:21 a=bbU-tNoj3Dr85R4I:21 Hi, In message <6ffe14fe50.martinv@ucs.de>, Martin Vethake writes > So I _have_ to use the applet instead of the inbuilt function? Ah good point. There are two smart quotes features in OP. One is in text file import - there's nothing you can do about changing the smart quotes used there. The other is smart quotes as you type, and that is done by the applet. Smart quotes on text import could probably be made usable by setting up a rule for the "fluff" applet which would let you change them to what you want with a single click post import. Of course I don't know what these symbols are - give me a Unicode value. But it seemed to me the scrambling was a result of passing through Brian's mail program not mine. We can see your message on the web too (unsullied by my Windows mailer): http://www.freelists.org/post/davidpilling/Smart-quotes-feature,1 The quotes there look like the ones in my email program. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 26 15:06:29 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NvAz1-3S8knw-01-C1Q.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:06:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NvAz1-3S8knw-01-C1Q; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:57:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NvAz1-3S8knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:57:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NvAyz-00068T-1V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 14:57:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE7B3CDDE85; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:57:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3SRW14yP1cD1; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 246A5CDDDAD; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:57:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2C25CDDE42 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:57:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gxbaVrOMU4GZ for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-in1-pp.ewetel.de (mail-in1-pp.ewetel.de [212.6.122.190]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 909F3CDDDAD for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.202.210] (static-87-245-57-173.teleos-web.de [87.245.57.173]) by mail-in1-pp.ewetel.de (8.12.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id o2QEvbLY023374 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:57:37 +0100 Message-ID: <4BACCB5B.2030904@ucs.de> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:57:31 +0100 From: Martin Vethake User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes feature References: <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6ffe14fe50.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CheckCompat: OK X-archive-position: 2397 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q5TCfZdwkKUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=0nVakUPdAAAA:8 a=wWXhJiIko7jeyjjO55QA:9 a=VN8SxYopnhwVjErWAVYA:7 a=9F9BrJFie99GkdNXuMYSyNhX3SMA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=W0z3mPXKZ6YA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 Am 26.03.2010 15:36, schrieb David Pilling: > Of course I don't know what these symbols are - give me a Unicode value. > But it seemed to me the scrambling was a result of passing through > Brian's mail program not mine. > That would be U+201E and U+201C then. TypoWiki gives a nice rendering 99/66 which BTW is rather astounding because U+201C is named 'double left quote', in Windows at least. > We can see your message on the web too (unsullied by my Windows mailer): > > http://www.freelists.org/post/davidpilling/Smart-quotes-feature,1 > > The quotes there look like the ones in my email program. > The characters are already mangled there. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 26 16:36:32 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NvCIf-0EZ000-04-Ahm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:36:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NvCIf-0EZ000-04-Ahm; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:22:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NvCIf-0EZ000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:22:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NvCIe-0007AA-Eo for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:22:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FC5ACDDE60; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:22:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fhm89ydhQW56; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4198CCDDE2E; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:22:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F10B1CDDE36 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:22:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lC8blp0kQKc0 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93C13CDDE55 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:21:59 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAJN7rEvUnwYz/2dsb2JhbACcGcA6hH4E Received: from pih-webmail01.servers.plus.net (HELO webmail.plus.net) ([212.159.6.51]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 26 Mar 2010 16:21:58 +0000 Received: from 163.160.116.27 (SquirrelMail authenticated user tinshill+ajh) by webmail.plus.net with HTTP; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:21:59 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4BACCB5B.2030904@ucs.de> References: <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6ffe14fe50.martinv@ucs.de> <4BACCB5B.2030904@ucs.de> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:21:59 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes feature From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 2398 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q5TCfZdwkKUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hOjpzXuoKdFq7rSk8jEA:9 a=Rfb_w2z2vdj1F3Gaj_gA:7 a=uchK5pvD5RqMg37yOZWtrAbMra0A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 > Am 26.03.2010 15:36, schrieb David Pilling: >> Of course I don't know what these symbols are - give me a Unicode valu= e. >> But it seemed to me the scrambling was a result of passing through >> Brian's mail program not mine. >> > That would be U+201E and U+201C then. TypoWiki gives a nice rendering > > 99/66 > > which BTW is rather astounding because U+201C is named > 'double left quote', in Windows at least. Not particularly astounding as English usage U+201C is used as left doubl= e quote and U+201D is Right double quote - when I was at school these were referred to as 66 and 99. Anthony To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 26 16:51:32 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NvCZG-2Hw000-06-ARB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:51:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NvCZG-2Hw000-06-ARB; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:39:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NvCZG-2Hw000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:39:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NvCZB-0002Gl-Hf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:39:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78A70CDDDC6; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:39:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bZD7PF3yIsvI; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C86EFCDC47F; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:39:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3E93CDDB3D for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:39:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n6L+UEXhriyC for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-in1-pp.ewetel.de (mail-in1-pp.ewetel.de [212.6.122.190]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61E9DCDC47F for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 12:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ucs.de (static-87-245-57-173.teleos-web.de [87.245.57.173]) by mail-in1-pp.ewetel.de (8.12.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id o2QGcwLY013772 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:38:59 +0100 Received: from martinv by ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 3.01beta5) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 26 Mar 2010 17:38:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:38:56 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes feature Message-ID: <812222fe50.martinv@ucs.de> References: <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6ffe14fe50.martinv@ucs.de> <4BACCB5B.2030904@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (RemoteNB/3.01beta5) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-CheckCompat: OK X-archive-position: 2399 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q5TCfZdwkKUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=5NHZEqstXrQA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=0Bzu9jTXAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=0nVakUPdAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rjH6vaJaovCOzHiaproA:9 a=Y9U3m3MRxX4R7etQeEkA:7 a=okDvHHdu0A5ByOlQu4nhgrC_0N4A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=W0z3mPXKZ6YA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 In message ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk wrote: > > Am 26.03.2010 15:36, schrieb David Pilling: > >> Of course I don't know what these symbols are - give me a Unicode value. > >> But it seemed to me the scrambling was a result of passing through > >> Brian's mail program not mine. > >> > > That would be U+201E and U+201C then. TypoWiki gives a nice rendering > > > > 99/66 > > > > which BTW is rather astounding because U+201C is named > > 'double left quote', in Windows at least. > > Not particularly astounding as English usage U+201C is used as left double > quote and U+201D is Right double quote - when I was at school these were > referred to as 66 and 99. > Astounding to me was they used 'double left quote' in the german name, albeit we use it on the right. Same as when I think of people driving on the left side of the road - how can they 8-) Then again 69 looks far more interesting than 96... Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen Inhaber: Kai Uffenkamp USt.-ID-Nr. DE 125 408 721 email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 26 21:06:41 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NvGd0-0chknw-03-Etx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:06:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NvGd0-0chknw-03-Etx; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:59:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NvGd0-0chknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:59:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NvGcx-0005j2-L1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:59:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9984FCDDE2E; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:59:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ttu4PNm1Psth; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8449CDDE08; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:59:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 827E9CDDE14 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:59:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z9KBkWfuFr7q for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46909CDDE08 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NvGcg-0004sC-a4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:59:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:58:12 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes feature References: <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6ffe14fe50.martinv@ucs.de> <4BACCB5B.2030904@ucs.de> <812222fe50.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: <812222fe50.martinv@ucs.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2400 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q5TCfZdwkKUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RMQOFjnRIdyplG9Qzr0A:9 a=nE2sMIDOlhAOMAArrWsA:7 a=BaTUYad1Y4ACd0iYRKq2S2gKzugA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 a=veSvt8-7W0bmeRUI:21 a=woxcjRm16MKDvBZy:21 In message <812222fe50.martinv@ucs.de>, Martin Vethake =20 writes >Astounding to me was they used 'double left quote' in the german name, >albeit we use it on the right. I wonder how widespread this difference in usage is. First time I have=20 heard of it. How did the difference happen. It occurred to me that there was a German version of Ovation Pro for=20 RISC OS, looking at the code there was no provision for changing smart=20 quotes on text file import - we put a lot of effort into making that=20 translation possible. These are the 66 and 99 typed into my mail program =E2=80=9C and =E2=80=9D > Same as when I think of people driving >on the left side of the road - how can they 8-) I know, it's a lot harder. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 26 22:36:44 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NvI8y-37iknw-01-DNz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:36:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NvI8y-37iknw-01-DNz; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:36:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NvI8y-37iknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:36:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NvI8u-0007de-5P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:36:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADFD4CDCAB7; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:36:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aPiFVjXvWrPy; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6A32CDCA93; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:36:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB436CDCAAE for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:36:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HbbTzd6vk2uG for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 322B9CDCA93 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk (blake.genesysnet.co.uk [86.54.100.204]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o2QMaKtb017685 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:36:20 GMT Received: from 86.12.12.174 (SquirrelMail authenticated user cc16) by webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk with HTTP; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:36:20 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <64675.86.12.12.174.1269642980.squirrel@webmail.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6ffe14fe50.martinv@ucs.de> <4BACCB5B.2030904@ucs.de> <812222fe50.martinv@ucs.de> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:36:20 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes feature From: "Colin Carnegie" To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 2401 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: colinc@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q5TCfZdwkKUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8QiIdAnwzVfyPr6PMU8A:9 a=sLNX3JvfEG4z1c57VPUA:7 a=rYbppaSMEt3_lVqgf5gi_RRevQ0A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 >> Same as when I think of people driving >>on the left side of the road - how can they 8-) > > I know, it's a lot harder. > No no nooo! Always pass on the left - that way you can use your sword if = you need to... Colin --=20 ColinC To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 26 23:21:45 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NvIc5-4Fsknw-01-Cus.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:21:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NvIc5-4Fsknw-01-Cus; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:06:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NvIc5-4Fsknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:06:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NvIc2-00063l-A4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:06:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B86C3CDDBAE; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:06:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vybXz20KZV0Z; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC6D6CDDAE1; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:06:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6B4ACDDB2E for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:06:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UH4EaR0arBEA for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C5FECDDAE1 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NvIbl-0006hU-e3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:06:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 23:06:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes feature Message-ID: <50fe459ce7peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: References: <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6ffe14fe50.martinv@ucs.de> <4BACCB5B.2030904@ucs.de> <812222fe50.martinv@ucs.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 2402 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q5TCfZdwkKUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=jaTW_5nQ1oKhEhPROmsA:9 a=ZrgQAtYkqMqnUzV_aFQA:7 a=aN6ntZuRgFmfuIyGd9eTSe_kUSwA:4 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 a=Nk7wu8otMKUI1gg4:21 a=fz6_80Le6UIQNp4Y:21 In message <812222fe50.martinv@ucs.de>, Martin Vethak writes > >Astounding to me was they used 'double left quote' in the > >german name, albeit we use it on the right. In article , David Pilling wrote: > I wonder how widespread this difference in usage is. First > time I have heard of it. How did the difference happen. Different languages have different practices, for instance (and oversimplifying somewhat): UK English: raised quotation marks: single and, within that, double: U+2018 . . U+2019, and within that: U+201C . . . U+201D US English: raised quotation marks: double and, within that, single: U+201C . . . U+201D, and within that: U+2018 . . U+2019 (But UK & US practice varies and has changed over the years) Italian, European Spanish, Russian, Norwegian, etc.: double guillemets, facing outwards: U+00AB . . . U+00BB French: double guillemets, facing outwards, but separated by a space from the enclosed text -- or, for reported speech, no enclosing marks but a dash instead. Modern German, Danish (sometimes), Russian (sometimes), etc.: Double comma at the start, double turned comma at the end: U+201E . . . U+201C Older German, Danish, etc.: Double guillemets, facing inwards: U+00BB . . U+00AB The names given, for instance to HTML entities, tend to be US-centric, hence &ldquo ('left double quote') for the raised '66' mark which is a right-hand quote in German. Then there's the matter of the Adobe morons who couldn't tell the difference between a quotation mark and a bird, and named two Postscript glyphs 'guillemotleft' and 'guillemotright'! -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 27 19:56:27 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NvRjY-4cSknw-07-CJv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:56:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NvRjY-4cSknw-07-CJv; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:51:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NvRjY-4cSknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:51:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NvRjU-0007c3-VR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:51:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0E62CDDF78; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 04:51:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6lmL4CKoh1Li; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 04:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04AF9CDDF66; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 04:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 27 Mar 2010 04:50:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9E0FCDDF67 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 04:50:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mX5ZzubThcZE for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 04:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-in0-pp.ewetel.de (mail-in0-pp.ewetel.de [212.6.122.189]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60352CDDF66 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 04:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.202.210] (static-87-245-29-135.teleos-web.de [87.245.29.135]) by mail-in0-pp.ewetel.de (8.12.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id o2R8ojrZ010588 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:50:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4BADC6E5.8040604@ucs.de> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:50:45 +0100 From: Martin Vethake User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes feature References: <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6ffe14fe50.martinv@ucs.de> <4BACCB5B.2030904@ucs.de> <812222fe50.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-CheckCompat: OK X-archive-position: 2403 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q5TCfZdwkKUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=0nVakUPdAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=e8ZRlAK6WuFrBBaxQ8wA:9 a=Z9r4XV-0v41E4uysg_UA:7 a=m34kiW0QOjdhLQwTnTO1f55PTzwA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=W0z3mPXKZ6YA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 Am 26.03.2010 21:58, schrieb David Pilling: > In message <812222fe50.martinv@ucs.de>, Martin Vethake > writes >> Astounding to me was they used 'double left quote' in the german name, >> albeit we use it on the right. > > I wonder how widespread this difference in usage is. First time I have > heard of it. How did the difference happen. > This http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anf%C3%BChrungszeichen#Andere_Sprachen gives a nice overview of the mess. > It occurred to me that there was a German version of Ovation Pro for > RISC OS, looking at the code there was no provision for changing smart > quotes on text file import - we put a lot of effort into making that > translation possible. > > These are the 66 and 99 typed into my mail program =E2=80=9C and =E2=80= =9D > Those come out right, maybe my mailer (RISC OS Messenger) botched the=20 characters? Regards --=20 Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 27 22:26:12 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NveKX-4DGknw-03-Gly.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 22:26:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NveKX-4DGknw-03-Gly; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 22:18:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NveKX-4DGknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 22:18:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NveKX-0000YM-1k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 22:18:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85C65CDD2CA; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:18:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8nJlfRRh7PrA; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D67B6CDC5A0; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:17:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4FF7CDD2A5 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:17:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z5GsY6g2ZtmH for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FA37CDC5A0 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1NveKG-0000vw-nQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 22:17:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 22:16:43 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes feature References: <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6ffe14fe50.martinv@ucs.de> <4BACCB5B.2030904@ucs.de> <812222fe50.martinv@ucs.de> <50fe459ce7peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <50fe459ce7peter@newble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 2404 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q5TCfZdwkKUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=mr3nOm9OHLMEUswaBAcA:9 a=3Lgrn3GaqNZ-kbZYx64A:7 a=Itvv4maqplSMV91-nqhihg5GO2cA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 a=igySJeZYcM2eFhGM:21 a=Gj5nOrTVp5O-1ecA:21 In message <50fe459ce7peter@newble.com>, Peter Newble writes >'66' mark which is a right-hand quote in German. Then there's the >matter of the Adobe morons who couldn't tell the difference >between a quotation mark and a bird, and named two Postscript >glyphs 'guillemotleft' and 'guillemotright'! 8-) I suppose that the glyph came first, then the usage, and finally the name. I say that because my first reaction was "it's called left quote, why would you stick it on the right". Martin's reference to wikipedia, which Google makes a great effort at translating says these quote marks name is because "their shape resembles the imprint of a goose foot". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 28 12:47:18 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Nvqre-3w8Vbs-07-ClN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:47:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Nvqre-3w8Vbs-07-ClN; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:41:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Nvqre-3w8Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:41:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Nvqrc-0005sf-8U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:41:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77333CDD5C0; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 07:41:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8od7SJYtrZR3; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 07:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA7F7CDC5F7; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 07:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 Mar 2010 07:40:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96FE8CDC74A for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 07:40:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5tN43Izzb51T for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 07:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net [79.135.125.99]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FDCCCDC5F7 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 07:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AToulouse-159-1-111-3.w92-134.abo.wanadoo.fr ([92.134.238.3] helo=[192.168.1.133] country=FR ident=tony&pop3$vanderhoff#org) by v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4baf403e.5b16.4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:40:46 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Message-ID: <4BAF3FFB.9070502@vanderhoff.org> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:39:39 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Smart quotes feature References: <8qnVTrDC86qLFwiV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6ffe14fe50.martinv@ucs.de> <4BACCB5B.2030904@ucs.de> <812222fe50.martinv@ucs.de> <50fe459ce7peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-archive-position: 2405 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q5TCfZdwkKUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=GXjHmtdSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=EEF9I12Bp_JQoEBhaNcA:9 a=2ovYZGRAPXn-_XMNHV0A:7 a=U6PBcsb0nljmhznrMEb3pXDzgsAA:4 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 a=Hqh9-RJoubcA:10 On 27/03/10 22:16, David Pilling wrote: > In message <50fe459ce7peter@newble.com>, Peter Newble > writes >> '66' mark which is a right-hand quote in German. Then there's the >> matter of the Adobe morons who couldn't tell the difference >> between a quotation mark and a bird, and named two Postscript >> glyphs 'guillemotleft' and 'guillemotright'! > > 8-) > > I suppose that the glyph came first, then the usage, and finally the > name. I say that because my first reaction was "it's called left quote, > why would you stick it on the right". > > Martin's reference to wikipedia, which Google makes a great effort at > translating says these quote marks name is because "their shape > resembles the imprint of a goose foot". > > > Hmm, In contrast, the ever-reliable Wikipedia also says at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillemets The word is a diminutive of the French name Guillaume (the equivalent of=20 which in English is William), after the French printer and punchcutter=20 Guillaume le B=E9 (1525=961598).[1][2] Some languages derive their word f= or=20 guillemets analogously; for example, the Irish term is Liam=F3g, from Lia= m=20 'William' and a diminutive suffix. --=20 Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Ari=E8ge, France | To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 28 17:32:26 2010 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1NvvOy-2aMknw-07-GkZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:32:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1NvvOy-2aMknw-07-GkZ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:31:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1NvvOy-2aMknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:31:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1NvvOw-0000OY-TG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:31:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A1BCCDDD14; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:31:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U690poXPZ4e6; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6E56CDD9FA; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:31:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B8D6CDDCDC for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:31:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pXWwO6aPjvId for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52C66CDD9FA for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.145] (helo=anti-virus03-08) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1NvvOb-0003NK-7X for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:31:29 +0100 Received: from [92.235.171.138] (helo=[192.168.1.13]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1NvvOa-0002Ed-GN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:31:28 +0100 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:31:24 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Finding position info using O-Pro scripts Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.63.2.3192 (Qt/4.6.2) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2406 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.fr.lsts.74@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tJO0dN5UL5IA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ce6IhK8UwgJJZg5nDgkA:9 a=tEOTIY-IcNf7dmMUO6QA:7 a=c-jMnQBBNPwMiK_2ddU6eI9r67gA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HDFKnPCxf6DDR2r7:21 a=lB0fDrpMp_LXxX9s:21 Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 18 Mar, Steve Fryatt wrote in message > : > > > [...] I suspect I might be able to give some feedback on the new functions > > soon. > > And they seem to do what was required. I can now scan through a document > and locate start and end points of the baselines of pieces of text in a > given style, and output this information to a file. > > The problem now is getting a bounding box: in other words, I need the > height of the line of text. What happens if you successively backspace from the known point until (when the caret essentially moves up a line) the baseline y position suddenly changes, then record the y value there? Or would that fail with superscript/subscript effects (if they change the baseline)? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling