From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 29 15:34:24 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MLHnm-281knw-04-BnB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:34:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MLHnm-281knw-04-BnB; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:25:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MLHnm-281knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:25:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MLHnl-0001yw-Tc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:25:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA358C6AC61; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:25:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XJSAhreyHHvy; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6290EC6AE71; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:25:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 87D52C6AC61 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:25:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QRxrNNuSG6Ru for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3006EC6ABBC for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:25:06 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAJ9rSErUnw6T/2dsb2JhbADOPIQNBQ Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net ([212.159.14.147]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 29 Jun 2009 15:25:06 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1MLHn7-00061J-Ka for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:25:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:24:08 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Snapper - new release Message-ID: <50730a1766chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.15) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 21e4b45e38bc3a0fb654fad6df28611e X-archive-position: 1616 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=I4CoAImwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dO2zu98wJgnTrlWuQVcA:9 a=NNEvTW8G_OHK1S6z4hQA:7 a=Zq1psfvS6Z87F_xd_64h_ciEoaEA:4 a=4foyodINJBcA:10 a=OL-rJTEvLhoA:10 For those that do not read c.s.a.announce, here is a copy of a recent posting. -------------------------------------------------------------- I am pleased to announce that version 1.10 of Snapper is now available. Snapper is a versatile screen capture program. It allows you to save a specified area of the screen as a sprite. The modes of operation of Snapper are 1. Save the entire screen area 2. Save the complete window under the mouse pointer 3. Save the _contents_ of the window under the mouse, without any of the window furniture 4. Save the area inside a user definable box, the size and position of which can be adjusted Snapper was originally written by David Pilling, and supplied as a component of his scanning and image processing software suite. With the full agreement and cooperation of David, Chris Johnson has taken on the maintenance and development of Snapper, and the latest version is now freely available to all. Any correspondence about Snapper now should be directed to Chris Johnson. New to this version are additions to mode 4 above, including more precise methods for defining the size and position of the save area (dialogue box) and a continuous display of the size and position of the save area. This version also includes an updated manual in HTML format. Version 1.10 of Snapper can be downloaded from http://www.chrisjohnson.plus.com/software/snap.html or http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/software/snap.html These are independent sites, so one should always be available! Note the absence or presence of the hyphen if entering the url by hand. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Those who own David's scanning software will have a copy of Snapper (v. 1.07 was the latest upgrade from David's site). As mentioned in the announcement, the changes almost entirely relate to the 'snap a user-defined area' mode, giving more absolute control over the area being saved. There were a few knock-on changes due to this. If there are issues with this release, please shout at me, not David! Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 4 12:25:18 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MMuSR-141Vbs-05-DQi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:25:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MMuSR-141Vbs-05-DQi; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:54:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MMuSR-141Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:54:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MMuSM-0003ZK-8l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 01:54:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFE5FC3C6FD; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:54:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pXIkUFtp-38c; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D2A1C3CBFC; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:53:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3257C7AD26 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:53:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m7yPbA1MEYFN for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxi1.callplus.net.nz (mxi1.callplus.net.nz [202.180.66.203]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D53A0C79813 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 203-160-126-110.callplus.net.nz (HELO Dell) ([203.160.126.110]) by ismtp01.callplus.net.nz with SMTP; 04 Jul 2009 13:53:26 +1200 Message-ID: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> From: "Colin & Joy McLeod" To: Subject: [softwarelist] Printing to Adobe PDF Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:53:29 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-archive-position: 1617 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: colin.joy@slingshot.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=crtwnGJ1_WEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=W2LSJSsslkFxnDSc9m4A:9 a=68eEfBTcGz7oSSzWooIA:7 a=yAdLKG4QWC15UbKzg2sdi5I30eMA:4 How do I manage to print an A4 page to Adobe PDF as it always defaults to 8.5in x 11in. and scales the page to fit. I have changed the blank page default in Adobe Acrobat to A4 but whenever I print from Ovation I still can only get a scaled version. 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([195.137.110.177]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 04 Jul 2009 09:24:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:10:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF Message-ID: <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1618 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: briancarroll@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=oXJhrwcdrFHQs_VQndsA:9 a=A6AQV3iOgTnRMuSXhScA:7 a=NjbjVkX28qHcFlVfZJeWxcy89TkA:4 In article <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell>, Colin & Joy McLeod wrote: > How do I manage to print an A4 page to Adobe PDF as it always > defaults to 8.5in x 11in. and scales the page to fit. I have > changed the blank page default in Adobe Acrobat to A4 but > whenever I print from Ovation I still can only get a scaled > version. Colin If you mean Adobe Reader (not Acrobat) I think the answer is to ensure the box 'Choose paper source by PDF page size' is ticked in the bottom left of the print dialogue window. You will then see the page dimensions are 8.27 x 11.69. The page will not be re-scaled if you set Page Scaling 'None'. You will see both document and paper are then shown the same, and the same as the dimensions on the picture of what is going to come out of the printer. Intuitive it is not :-( BTW, do you or any other reader know how to set the default dimension units to cm or mm ? Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, N Yorks, UK briancarroll at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 4 12:25:20 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MN0x7-0LxVbs-03-FSY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:25:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MN0x7-0LxVbs-03-FSY; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:50:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MN0x7-0LxVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:50:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MN0x6-0004Zr-N6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:50:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04DD0C7B45F; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:50:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y4pXiiBGxU93; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95477C7B450; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 04 Jul 2009 04:49:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E33EC7B45F for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:49:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WAT-6Di8nwbn for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CD4BC7B43E for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 04:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MN0wV-0003ns-XO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:49:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:50:51 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF Message-ID: <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1619 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ka-x4lBJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=cNt1bMpp5VThJbG42-AA:9 a=CmkgJfca_X8dOwWsG9UA:7 a=uqz4mg1cO2yisNJPkxeB9S8qT04A:4 a=kLgHpDIjQkwA:10 In article <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com>, Brian Carroll wrote: > BTW, do you or any other reader know how to set the default > dimension units to cm or mm ? edit > preferences > units? -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 4 14:55:21 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MN5XM-42Zknw-02-AsJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:55:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MN5XM-42Zknw-02-AsJ; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:44:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MN5XM-42Zknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:44:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MN5XL-0005UQ-Tu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:44:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A5B9C7AFD7; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:44:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d5ujHv2rG1YN; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4C15C7B458; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:43:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 475BAC7AFD7 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:43:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s9KM38-15MTy for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 084CBC7AFAE for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MN5Wm-0003EC-ZU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:43:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:42:03 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> In-Reply-To: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1620 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=P_Lf6FNjUUGrULiVSHsA:9 a=L2chqLk_8x0tXvzyjbAA:7 a=iZwCi2ka8hv4BtbKFqKtjBjD5VoA:4 a=NolElASAUTjtmlxv:21 a=hQgJht54NVeatcvF:21 In message <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell>, Colin & Joy McLeod writes >How do I manage to print an A4 page to Adobe PDF as it always defaults >to 8.5in x 11in. and scales the page to fit. >I have changed the blank page default in Adobe Acrobat to A4 but >whenever I print from Ovation I still can only get a scaled version. I don't have Acrobat - maybe those who do could provide a proper answer. My guess is that you use the properties button on the expanded Print window in OPW and that somewhere that will lead to a paper size. In my experience there is always an odd duality on Windows between setting things from the Printers Window (Start Menu or Control panel) and setting them from properties in the application doing the printing. I've spent many happy(?) hours trying to set the default and failing. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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([195.137.110.177]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 04 Jul 2009 18:18:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:10:51 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF Message-ID: <5075ac88e4briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1621 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: briancarroll@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=ka-x4lBJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-VbN1iCISUiZXldMeN8A:9 a=hsQcgH76DvuUOn1eygYA:7 a=_2Fc45LzYTNKv8O_6GuWVP_LigcA:4 a=kLgHpDIjQkwA:10 a=PtpRWprnSYYf8NB9:21 a=TmT7ZD-BSAvuyuM6:21 In article <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: > In article <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com>, Brian Carroll > wrote: > > BTW, do you or any other reader know how to set the default > > dimension units to cm or mm ? > edit > preferences > units? Spot on; thanks. I had never found that preferences window so I will have a lot of experimenting to do :-) Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, N Yorks, UK briancarroll at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 4 19:10:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MN9Vf-1kkVbs-04-FQW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:10:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MN9Vf-1kkVbs-04-FQW; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:58:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MN9Vf-1kkVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:58:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MN9Vf-00025X-3l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:58:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70ABDC7AD59; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:58:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i8uzc7MHTkQr; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0251CC79E00; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:58:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 030A5C7AD59 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:58:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qo+oE0jx-UIt for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91909C7A6F4 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-214-204.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.214.204]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n64HwHvd015927 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:58:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:55:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF Message-ID: <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1622 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=ka-x4lBJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=m83yf8q4H4982QG2z7IA:9 a=-YMD8JVMZ6BL3WQi7PAA:7 a=av7B9-mMUDaTDVDzdb5g3uFAyVMA:4 a=2C2LLfOOaNQA:10 a=kLgHpDIjQkwA:10 a=Dk-mFI-pbjG1kP9y:21 a=tquNxAZ79TpT8ulW:21 In article <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: > In article <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com>, > Brian Carroll wrote: > > BTW, do you or any other reader know how to set the default > > dimension units to cm or mm ? > edit > preferences > units? Sorry I don't understand that answer, perhaps you are not talking about OvPro. In my version of RO., OvPro 2.77 Jan 09, the Menu-Edit does not contain a preferences? Menu-Misc-Preferences, in the General tab, General preferences does contain a "Document units" field. If you are talking about Win OvPro (then say so) there is no edit-Preference either. Menu Bar Misc-Preferences-General tab, General preferences does contain a "Documents units" field. ?? Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 4 22:55:36 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MND6J-0q2000-08-Bps.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:55:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MND6J-0q2000-08-Bps; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:48:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MND6J-0q2000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:48:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MND6I-0000Lb-PF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:48:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7F99C7B88A; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:48:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id juOgFN4z0l2p; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 918CEC7B67C; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:48:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C999C7B42B for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:48:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OYYKsXpk1hvu for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F582C7B15F for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MND5h-0006OZ-fc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:48:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:48:04 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF Message-ID: <5075c5ea07charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1623 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=ka-x4lBJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=eLxId7QRoVNAzULXd9MA:9 a=JqFJXnHUPigd6N0s6uMA:7 a=P0JK3f9q3K_rvyjas1USLqu__rYA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=kLgHpDIjQkwA:10 a=rlVnzmVXkv5FICbV:21 a=RnPx1zde4-Purtqh:21 In article <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, > charles wrote: > > In article <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com>, > > Brian Carroll wrote: > > > BTW, do you or any other reader know how to set the default > > > dimension units to cm or mm ? > > edit > preferences > units? > Sorry I don't understand that answer, perhaps you are not talking about > OvPro. No, I'm referring to Adobe Reader as requested -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 5 00:10:40 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MNE9g-3zzknw-04-AmV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 00:10:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MNE9g-3zzknw-04-AmV; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:56:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MNE9g-3zzknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:56:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MNE9f-0004en-Gh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:56:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C80C3C6C4D2; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:56:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gVtCVrnipd07; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7305FC6C8F2; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:55:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2654DC7913B for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:55:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PQucfDFCADun for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxi2.callplus.net.nz (mxi2.callplus.net.nz [202.180.66.204]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93B9CC79101 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 203-160-126-110.callplus.net.nz (HELO Dell) ([203.160.126.110]) by ismtp02.callplus.net.nz with SMTP; 05 Jul 2009 10:55:44 +1200 Message-ID: From: "Colin & Joy McLeod" To: References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:55:44 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-archive-position: 1624 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: colin.joy@slingshot.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=REhgyab1yB8HsfqchvkA:9 a=NlTF2qq_IJiQ0B7Ph4gA:7 a=5cMgtjhVYC7gQdOShbH5qm3Rfv4A:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=SwwORGnzrBEBHjDm:21 a=gOz1XIFGU3idBHNV:21 Thanks very much David. You have sorted the problem for me. I really appreciate the RiscOS support where you can speak to the "organ grinder" and not just one of his "monkeys" or even only his "organ" Colin McLeod ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 1:42 AM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF > In message <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell>, Colin & Joy McLeod > writes >>How do I manage to print an A4 page to Adobe PDF as it always defaults to >>8.5in x 11in. and scales the page to fit. >>I have changed the blank page default in Adobe Acrobat to A4 but whenever >>I print from Ovation I still can only get a scaled version. > > > I don't have Acrobat - maybe those who do could provide a proper answer. > > My guess is that you use the properties button on the expanded Print > window in OPW and that somewhere that will lead to a paper size. > > In my experience there is always an odd duality on Windows between setting > things from the Printers Window (Start Menu or Control panel) and setting > them from properties in the application doing the printing. I've spent > many happy(?) hours trying to set the default and failing. > > > > -- > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: > http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 5 00:10:40 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MNEEh-3tP000-08-AhU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 00:10:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MNEEh-3tP000-08-AhU; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:01:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MNEEh-3tP000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:01:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MNEEg-0006kK-Vj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:01:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44286C79775; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:01:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M9VGNTPYc3II; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EACAFC79337; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:01:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4225DC79FF1 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:01:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6YkZSx3PFgrN for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id B70EAC7914D for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Jul 2009 23:00:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [10.69.184.59]) [82.113.106.13] by mail.gmx.net (mp055) with SMTP; 05 Jul 2009 01:00:55 +0200 X-Authenticated: #17337996 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19oK64ScpJoTwo4eu6X2sWz477lVVFl4ycU/thFzb pRy+uDROyLkMW4 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SnapperMail 3.0.1.01 by Snapperfish To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF Message-ID: <1495-SnapperMsgF7216EEDC6758F9B@[10.69.184.59]> In-Reply-To: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> From: Jochen Konietzko Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 1:00:36 +0200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.67 X-archive-position: 1625 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: JochenKonietzko@gmx.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=vQalX-x2AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ALfYQXSpN8x3ow5hCJwA:9 a=SnzaofSDz3ikrbTan6sA:7 a=PeoS2OxoyojFi6itYyVJJmaRN78A:4 a=924w9rS1_8cA:10 One word answer: Don't! Get some other program like Foxit which isn't such a massive security threat to your PC as Adobe's stuff is. Regards, Jochen ___ Sent with SnapperMail www.snappermail.com ...... Original Message ....... On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:53:29 +1200 "Colin & Joy McLeod" wrote: >How do I manage to print an A4 page to Adobe PDF To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 5 12:37:46 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MNQ0g-01V000-07-FyX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:37:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MNQ0g-01V000-07-FyX; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:35:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MNQ0g-01V000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:35:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MNQ0f-0003Jg-RV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:35:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F011C7B1B0; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:35:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BLtA3iulzEDW; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E20FAC7B499; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:35:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD57AC7B1B0 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:35:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S086CYGyDsBr for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CPSMTPM-EML107.kpnxchange.com (Cpsmtpm-eml107.kpnxchange.com [195.121.3.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DD12C7AFE3 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([81.204.75.73]) by CPSMTPM-EML107.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Sun, 5 Jul 2009 13:35:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:35:09 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF Message-ID: <507611a2b1Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jul 2009 11:35:12.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8C2DEB0:01C9FD64] X-archive-position: 1626 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nGDWJ_2Hvn2qwTd9rbIA:9 a=4aWiPgVidx_aA9ds4D0A:7 a=zA4KdsT0PVuqRX17qZXm5YnIIuMA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=FKy1pb3X0p6MX-Fm:21 a=Kc3c_j7qPk2Y-Hil:21 In article <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > > edit > preferences > units? > Sorry I don't understand that answer, perhaps you are not talking about > OvPro. I think, they are talking about OvPro for Windows, which seems to differ from the one for RISC OS on some points. Perhaps it's wise to always mention the system as well. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 5 14:52:50 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MNS2K-1jVknw-02-Dwt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:52:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MNS2K-1jVknw-02-Dwt; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:45:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MNS2K-1jVknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:45:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MNS2J-0000Vh-Tm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:45:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DD10C7C395; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:45:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dyHOYJ6Nlmqf; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D38EEC7C51E; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:45:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C877BC7C395 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:45:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H403GyWHbnfE for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A511C7C37E for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-200-38.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.200.38]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n65DjCxR003208 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:45:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 14:44:40 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF Message-ID: <50761d7e4adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <507611a2b1Paul@sprie.nl> References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> <507611a2b1Paul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1627 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=WNtLHHHRCFHgn2w_cf0A:9 a=SGfeAOiJrmGA0DKThqgA:7 a=wzYQhOI7_7hGYv2jn7etC6P9H2UA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=WHAhcT-WUV53M5Ee:21 a=l1VoxRs5jxFfm4F0:21 In article <507611a2b1Paul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > In article <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > > edit > preferences > units? > > Sorry I don't understand that answer, perhaps you are not talking about > > OvPro. > I think, they are talking about OvPro for Windows, which seems to differ > from the one for RISC OS on some points. Perhaps it's wise to always > mention the system as well. > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers Apparently Paul, they were not talking about OvPro at all, and I thought they were. The title/subject is also confusing... In light of what the question was about (supposedly) I would have written. "Printing out as Adobe PDF" but I guess it's just a semantic taradiddle. ;-) But I do agree about noting which OS version of OvPro is being discussed. Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 5 16:37:54 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MNTjs-0lD000-04-CFL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:37:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MNTjs-0lD000-04-CFL; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:34:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MNTjs-0lD000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:34:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MNTjr-0007EL-VX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:34:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 333B8C7C0CA; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:34:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IeoBVMPlhcmu; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C18E6C7C033; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:34:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00BE2C6D0F6 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:34:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iHJhmg-257rT for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A6AEC6CE4F for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:34:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Trace: 263501052/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-ACCEPTED/f2s-freedom2Surf-customers/195.137.110.177/None/briancarroll@f2s.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 195.137.110.177 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: briancarroll@f2s.com X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjQFAANlUErDiW6x/2dsb2JhbACJWMANhBIF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,352,1243810800"; d="scan'208";a="263501052" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net (HELO wallace.) ([195.137.110.177]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2009 16:34:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:24:03 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF Message-ID: <5076269767briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1628 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: briancarroll@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=ka-x4lBJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Mummr1CTMmNH3sy5ruYA:9 a=ZsGWTlIeE24gxl_ECxEA:7 a=RsIWNLiiw10mtQOyoRYna0HMbKsA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=kLgHpDIjQkwA:10 a=hR3uWsNhoNQZiTAd:21 a=49BF0q-V4_-sL8gp:21 In article <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, > charles wrote: > > In article <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com>, Brian Carroll > > wrote: > > > BTW, do you or any other reader know how to set the > > > default dimension units to cm or mm ? > > edit > preferences > units? > Sorry I don't understand that answer, perhaps you are not > talking about OvPro. No, we were not. Charles was (successfully) replying to a sideways question I tagged onto my attempt to help the OP. I took the OP's question to be 'how do I print a page from Adobe Acrobat/Reader, which has been produced by OP(Windows) and saved in PDF format'. The former bit is what I now do all the time, sending PDFs via UniServer to Adobe Reader that have been created by !PrintPDF/GhostScript from various RISC OS applications. The OP has not commented on this so I've no idea whether my reply helped or not. I'm sorry if I confused you. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, N Yorks, UK briancarroll at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 5 16:52:54 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MNTwf-42eVbs-08-C2Y.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:52:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MNTwf-42eVbs-08-C2Y; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:48:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MNTwf-42eVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:48:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MNTwe-0003Bt-Vx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:48:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44CF2C7C3BE; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:48:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rN5ePD+9EriC; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E922AC7C3C8; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:47:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06825C7C44D for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:47:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6zMykk7oro38 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6501C7C3BE for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MNTw4-0004VJ-X3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:47:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:46:18 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> <5076269767briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <5076269767briancarroll@f2s.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1629 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ka-x4lBJAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=WW27uWiVn7PwnwGJuMEA:7 a=r9bcwJ6vjkugDVO-5kzlhN1YxOQA:4 a=kLgHpDIjQkwA:10 a=eJT78SYltoOQNIH_:21 a=RrfUsbcxS_1zY2B6:21 In message <5076269767briancarroll@f2s.com>, Brian Carroll writes >The OP has not commented on this so I've no idea whether my reply >helped or not. I'm sorry if I confused you. OP === Original Poster !== Ovation Pro -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 5 17:22:55 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MNUHm-4J4Vbs-05-BhR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:22:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MNUHm-4J4Vbs-05-BhR; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:09:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MNUHm-4J4Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:09:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MNUHm-0005Z0-8q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:09:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B189C7B469; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:09:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W2hkV2+mPvvX; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AF09C7C101; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:09:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F932C7B469 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:09:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3YGVT4UrHJiH for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E947DC7AF4B for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 12:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-199-24.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.199.24]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n65G9LbD005145 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:09:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:06:03 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF Message-ID: <50762a6fccdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5076269767briancarroll@f2s.com> References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> <5076269767briancarroll@f2s.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1630 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ka-x4lBJAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DeC3y_t6SdnVZI3BrkEA:9 a=Yhxo9S82k6Ig-8HB_LYA:7 a=p6TCA03h6ADFG1N4U5_bcZqS3_QA:4 a=kLgHpDIjQkwA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=5n3yAduFBwvVNxmh:21 a=O4B31DJ6bPUknj9J:21 In article <5076269767briancarroll@f2s.com>, Brian Carroll wrote: > In article <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > wrote: > > In article <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, > > charles wrote: > > > In article <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com>, Brian Carroll > > > wrote: > > > > BTW, do you or any other reader know how to set the > > > > default dimension units to cm or mm ? > > > edit > preferences > units? > > Sorry I don't understand that answer, perhaps you are not > > talking about OvPro. > No, we were not. Charles was (successfully) replying to a > sideways question I tagged onto my attempt to help the OP. > I took the OP's question to be 'how do I print a page from Adobe > Acrobat/Reader, which has been produced by OP(Windows) and saved > in PDF format'. > The former bit is what I now do all the time, sending PDFs via > UniServer to Adobe Reader that have been created by > !PrintPDF/GhostScript from various RISC OS applications. > The OP has not commented on this so I've no idea whether my reply > helped or not. I'm sorry if I confused you. > Brian. Aha! Now I get it, thanks Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 5 22:53:06 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MNZUf-362000-04-F14.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:53:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MNZUf-362000-04-F14; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:43:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MNZUf-362000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:43:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MNZUf-0001Z9-9G for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:43:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CC06C78266; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:43:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VO1xVk5DytTM; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E395C718CA; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:42:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB1CDC7916F for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:42:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0QVIRH6jf8Hn for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81D7FC78B4C for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 17:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk (88-202-211-82.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.211.82]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n65Lh4Lx009905 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:43:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:42:42 +0100 Message-ID: <3c42497650.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> <507611a2b1Paul@sprie.nl> <50761d7e4adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50761d7e4adave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1631 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uC__UJSfQPlhylAJYIcA:9 a=OPRByvPHCjS3__CUY5kA:7 a=I5Ij960dog3mZRhengC65v3XrroA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=8IRgk3-HcYRHDIEE:21 a=N_Djfea4rpUZ55rh:21 In message <50761d7e4adave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <507611a2b1Paul@sprie.nl>, > Paul Sprangers wrote: >> In article <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk>, >> Dave Symes wrote: >>>> edit > preferences > units? >>> Sorry I don't understand that answer, perhaps you are not talking about >>> OvPro. >> I think, they are talking about OvPro for Windows, which seems to differ >> from the one for RISC OS on some points. Perhaps it's wise to always >> mention the system as well. >> Kind regards, >> Paul Sprangers > Apparently Paul, they were not talking about OvPro at all, and I thought > they were. > The title/subject is also confusing... In light of what the question was > about (supposedly) I would have written. "Printing out as Adobe PDF" but I > guess it's just a semantic taradiddle. ;-) > But I do agree about noting which OS version of OvPro is being discussed. > Dave It was confusing. I also read it to mean they were using Adobe PDF Writer as a printer, very common in Windows world. In fact it seems they were using the OPro facility of directly creating a PDF file, then viewing it in Adobe Reader - a different animal entirely. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 6 20:39:02 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MNtwU-07cGPo-03-BcH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 20:39:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MNtwU-07cGPo-03-BcH; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:33:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MNtwU-07cGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:33:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MNtwM-00005h-BM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:33:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 833C8C7D9B9; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:33:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SKq2bgrQBjPH; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FED8C79EFD; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:32:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56E54C7D959 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:32:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BlqxVHUTndgI for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.68]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id E37BEC7D94E for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24360 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2009 19:21:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO standalone.) (williamlack@86.167.181.188 with login) by smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2009 19:21:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: QdANp9SswBDC8dfmAIO5_lvVbAOUrKrAbDXzTYkrTAms X-YMail-OSG: r8fLkRkVM1kHqufuNG9Q89EjdMxBrQUgN9trdrSScrKTfcsV6mKPltZPXI_ZBzp91Ba6m5nUHZok4WEZ2jqH3DoQML_cm6xt05FHzwTm.sDYOCxS1KQvUUwApiMV6Vfs0PoG23WJaL3mY618xZbfBYTA.shvbXgFTnu4lA5qCoQ1hK6m.Lwj9G49Pn3uZ1o8eQAc2Y6MBvqbq.FO_yRgLTkPejX7_wxD1nYMNjgDaBHXpfVtTsSl5M_1pYnGPp9xCZ0p71nkRviJHbEBnwpkPt20Q3v915ChCOTvvV2hJL9hhH5f7A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: William Lack To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:27:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] CMYK problem Message-ID: <5076c0b683williamlack@clara.net> In-Reply-To: <8972216e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <8972216e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1632 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: williamlack@clara.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=jyKww0IWAAAA:8 a=pZPhcQmMAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=azioj3WP0GbNHeHW6-4A:9 a=A9SfyRDC7Timjva0Tu8A:7 a=cQHoJGDUbO05keDGcTt2xgcgkngA:4 a=wPd3_7D0gv4A:10 I've been discussing this with David Pilling for a while and it seems sensible to widen our discussion to the list. I work in the field of monumental brasses and for about fifteen years have been producing a series of (very boring) reference books and also typesetting several publications in the field. The vast majority of the illustrations are of brass rubbings with a small amount of greyscale photographs etc. In the early days everything was produced camera-ready, but for the last six or seven years it's been done with PDFs which go straight to an imagesetter. Everything until recently has involved black and white printing and has been relatively straightforward. The work is originated in RO OvPro and is now exported to Windows OvPro and printed via Acrobat Distiller. As memory and disc space used to be expensive, I have always used 1 bpp sprites which have worked pretty well. However sprites like these seem to be poor relations in the graphics world - load them into most of the graphics package and they get turned into 24 bpp, so I do much of my editing in !Paint. My current typesetting project includes colour photographs and the printing company has become quite demanding. They require individual page PDFs which must be produced from Distiller using their special job options and everything must be in the CMYK colour space. The text has been sorted out fairly easily with David's help. His advice was to enable the direct PostScript option, define all colours in CMYK space and print to a PS printer driver (so Distiller is OK). So, having edited the ten documents making up the publication and produced 100-odd new PDFs, it then transpired the images weren't up to scratch, as these were still in the RGB colour space. The colour JPEGs are apparently OK; they will go through to the imagesetter and be converted to CMYK. The mono and greyscale images are the problem. They will also convert to CMYK but will end up on all four plates, not just on the black plate. So the images need to be converted to CMYK. ATM the simplest way that I have found to edit them is to load them into !Artworks and export them as CMYK bitmaps. These have all the black solely on the Black plate and the resulting output seems to be what the printer wants. I'd be grateful if anyone has any suggestions to simplify this process. -- William Lack --------------------- william.lack@bt internet.com County Series: http://home.clara.net/williamlack/index.htm To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 6 23:54:09 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MNx3O-2TGGPo-04-H1t.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 23:54:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MNx3O-2TGGPo-04-H1t; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:52:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MNx3O-2TGGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:52:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MNx2w-0005Lz-QB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:52:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 691F6C7BC78; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:06:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hvz9jbEEjryP; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D603C7E3B6; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:05:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E03EC7BC78 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:05:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id haa2WdlLr5ZS for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11B83C7E275 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090706220357.SHWE6742.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 23:03:57 +0100 Received: from a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk ([81.111.61.254]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20090706220356.PNWO21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2009 23:03:56 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CMYK problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Anthony Hilton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:52:59 +0100 Message-ID: <3709ce7650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> References: <8972216e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5076c0b683williamlack@clara.net> In-Reply-To: <5076c0b683williamlack@clara.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pZPhcQmMAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=pXvHx1aQK_Agef4fX_oA:9 a=AsqDOa5aJbItWAWMitsA:7 a=dUXmZB45kb3rfwso42gMuVVI9WQA:4 a=nRm1o29pdjkA:10 X-archive-position: 1633 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pZPhcQmMAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pXvHx1aQK_Agef4fX_oA:9 a=g2BxrRxZPt7DRH8D99MA:7 a=v3QLkhx3IdtOZBPDRaYmhX17ueQA:4 a=nRm1o29pdjkA:10 In message <5076c0b683williamlack@clara.net> William Lack wrote: > I've been discussing this with David Pilling for a while and it seems > sensible to widen our discussion to the list. [snip] > I have always used 1 bpp sprites which have worked pretty well. > However sprites like these seem to be poor relations in > the graphics world - load them into most of the graphics package and they get > turned into 24 bpp, so I do much of my editing in !Paint. I find that !Paint 2.56 (RISC OS 4.42) does offer the CMYK colour space, and you can Edit Colours even for 1 bit sprites to put Black and White into CMYK space. I find that my copy of OPro 2.77 (28 Jan 2009) defines Black and white in CMYK colour space by default. [snip] > So, having edited the ten documents making up the publication and produced > 100-odd new PDFs, it then transpired the images weren't up to scratch, as > these were still in the RGB colour space. The colour JPEGs are apparently OK; > they will go through to the imagesetter and be converted to CMYK. The mono > and greyscale images are the problem. They will also convert to CMYK but will > end up on all four plates, not just on the black plate. Unfortunately a sprite created in 2 colour (1bpp) having attempted to set the colours in CMYK space still seems to import into Opro in RGB space, because the sprite is still stored with colour definitions in RGB space? OPro on RISC OS the View menu allows you to see the separations individually, so I can see that this sprite is shopwing on all 4 plates. > So the images need to be converted to CMYK. ATM the simplest way that I have > found to edit them is to load them into !Artworks and export them as CMYK > bitmaps. These have all the black solely on the Black plate and the > resulting output seems to be what the printer wants. > I'd be grateful if anyone has any suggestions to simplify this process. When you have imported the sprites into OPro try processing them to Duotone and set the Lower colour to CMYK Black and the Upper colour to CMYK White. The View menu > Separations options now show the same 1bpp sprite only on the black plate. I was going to suggest using !Sprinter to generate separations but Mr Pilling has provided a far better solution on the View menu - Thank you David. Hope this helps, even if only to provide further avenues to investigate. Anthony -- Anthony Hilton ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 7 11:40:41 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MO63o-1ERknw-06-GXz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:40:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MO63o-1ERknw-06-GXz; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:29:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MO63o-1ERknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:29:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MO63n-00024E-Pq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:29:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26F8BC7DD0B; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:29:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HIzrtN8d6cup; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD714C7DB33; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:29:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A3F0C7E7FA for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:29:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3jdjeQ5IVoEg for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5F1FC7E7F1 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 04:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (88-134-110-214-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.110.214]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKv5w-1MO63D1K8W-000KKs; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:29:19 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CMYK problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:30:32 +0200 Message-ID: References: <8972216e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5076c0b683williamlack@clara.net> <3709ce7650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3709ce7650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19gyTYpLewcmk4s5CzMBX4ZxnXotuTht7pU11r 0r8FBJlbvoaA6DxLCVAIPQekWG7p/klNhZaWHD5wtQgAG1O7v+ P2Em1cdr2E4cN0A7UZfUQ== X-archive-position: 1634 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=pZPhcQmMAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=9u5rkKRr6huXATZBHC0A:9 a=C4JAUUy03IHzhij8P6wA:7 a=qkiJYS4QZBRH4dZc-CVjm8VFxDYA:4 a=nRm1o29pdjkA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=KeAN-VNzeKHxarLB:21 a=jQkFD9iM0-WUN5II:21 In message <3709ce7650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> Anthony Hilton wrote: > In message <5076c0b683williamlack@clara.net> > William Lack wrote: >> I've been discussing this with David Pilling for a while and it seems >> sensible to widen our discussion to the list. > [snip] >> I have always used 1 bpp sprites which have worked pretty well. >> However sprites like these seem to be poor relations in >> the graphics world - load them into most of the graphics package and >> they get >> turned into 24 bpp, so I do much of my editing in !Paint. > I find that !Paint 2.56 (RISC OS 4.42) does offer the CMYK colour > space, and you can Edit Colours even for 1 bit sprites to put Black > and White into CMYK space. No, you cannot. RISC OS 1 bit per pixel sprites are always RGB. The colour picker allows you to choose a colour in different colour spaces but the colour is immediately converted to RGB and put into the sprite as an RGB colour, so its CMYK definition is lost, which means that you are likely to find a different CMYK colour when you try to edit the colour again in CMYK space. RISC OS only offers 32 bit per pixel CMYK sprites (which OP supports). > [...] >> So the images need to be converted to CMYK. ATM the simplest way that >> I have found to edit them is to load them into !Artworks and export >> them as CMYK bitmaps. These have all the black solely on the Black >> plate and the resulting output seems to be what the printer wants. >> I'd be grateful if anyone has any suggestions to simplify this process. > When you have imported the sprites into OPro try processing them to > Duotone and set the Lower colour to CMYK Black and the Upper colour to > CMYK White. The View menu > Separations options now show the same 1bpp > sprite only on the black plate. Yes, that is correct. However, when you print that from the RISC OS version of OP the sprite is still printed as an RGB sprite, not as a CMYK sprite as one might expect, so William needs to investigate whether the same is true when printing from OPW. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 7 11:55:36 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MO8DU-2RVknw-07-EOJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:55:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MO8DU-2RVknw-07-EOJ; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:48:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MO8DU-2RVknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:48:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MO8DT-0003gM-7P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:48:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 791E7C7E877; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:48:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D8n3oFHq8gaS; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A6E0C7E8A8; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:47:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96DABC7EA50 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:47:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AiaZbchIXRDB for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54249C7E8BD for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 06:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MO8Cn-0007FR-io for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:47:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 11:45:56 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CMYK problem References: <8972216e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5076c0b683williamlack@clara.net> <3709ce7650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1635 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=iX6a3hu0rB9gBEABr3oA:9 a=mIy_9gEs1eLkYOzR3CMA:7 a=DH47B241fj0KIkoGmBkZh8VLNyUA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=4NMpv9E0vDyl5Moi:21 a=Zqi5tPnGQP10fyfu:21 In message , Martin Wuerthner writes >Yes, that is correct. However, when you print that from the RISC OS >version of OP the sprite is still printed as an RGB sprite, not as a >CMYK sprite as one might expect, so William needs to investigate >whether the same is true when printing from OPW. On Windows, if you have direct PostScript mode selected then OP can put stuff in CMYK space into the printer output - in other words the RGB print model of RISC OS and Windows can be gotten around. The puzzle we have is that despite this, bitmaps consisting only of K are putting some ink on the CMY plates in the final PDF - I would guess this is because Distiller assumes a profile for the source. However Martin you have reminded me that a feature of Impression (and Ovation Pro on RISC OS) is that CMYK sprites end up being put directly in the PostScript output stream - presumably (I don't recall) they are still in CMYK space. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. 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FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 7 12:40:38 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MO8rF-1Gq000-04-DkY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:40:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MO8rF-1Gq000-04-DkY; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:29:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MO8rF-1Gq000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:29:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MO8rB-0005L7-Qj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:29:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1535FC7E28F; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:29:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QLd8jUbGT1zy; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2A93C7E2F2; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:28:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83978C7E28F for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:28:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Q58a5+0gpj5 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 029EBC7E28E for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (88-134-110-214-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.110.214]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKv5w-1MO8qZ3E5Q-000KhG; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:28:27 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CMYK problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:29:27 +0200 Message-ID: <0cc9187750.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <8972216e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5076c0b683williamlack@clara.net> <3709ce7650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/ZRqBXaxNYC7tIrf2Xj2exEnwStp27H8mPvgX a6YDNvsGUVuaYG8LOPeKZ2Ys2HJgagr87WakfkpLXDlqyyc807 bYUIR1gOCa9tKxFJoNJDw== X-archive-position: 1636 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=mOb5-vsMjcB8kv_TSUQA:9 a=UKY47YKWmEm0Wq6u8q8A:7 a=7pitnHqq90bTvqJ3CoZ1AT-wdh8A:4 a=67EvKus4EEQA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=8BIUFfRliFthPgn3:21 a=NsbTQyoh5QqT_oJU:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Martin Wuerthner > writes >>Yes, that is correct. However, when you print that from the RISC OS >>version of OP the sprite is still printed as an RGB sprite, not as a >>CMYK sprite as one might expect, so William needs to investigate >>whether the same is true when printing from OPW. > On Windows, if you have direct PostScript mode selected then OP can put > stuff in CMYK space into the printer output - in other words the RGB > print model of RISC OS and Windows can be gotten around. > The puzzle we have is that despite this, bitmaps consisting only of K > are putting some ink on the CMY plates in the final PDF - I would guess > this is because Distiller assumes a profile for the source. That does not sound too likely. Are you certain the image is in CMYK space and purely in the K channel in the PS output in the first place? >From what we have been told so far Distiller is driven according to the settings provided by the publisher, so whatever happens in Distiller should be as they want it. > However Martin you have reminded me that a feature of Impression (and > Ovation Pro on RISC OS) is that CMYK sprites end up being put directly > in the PostScript output stream - presumably (I don't recall) they are > still in CMYK space. Yes. In addition to Impression and OP ArtWorks does that, too (as of version 2.4). That results in proper CMYK output. I would have thought the same would apply when OP prints a Duotone sprite with both end points being CMYK colours, but apparently not (but then, the same could be said about ArtWorks, which also prints in RGB in that case). Or even when printing an image with CMYK colour processing applied. By the way, the forthcoming new PostScript 3 driver will support printing CMYK sprites directly, even those with a mask. It also finally prints sprites with <=256 colours at full quality and it supports masks for 16bpp and 32bpp sprites (including CMYK, as indicated above). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 7 12:40:38 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MO8uI-2ZHknw-01-DhV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:40:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MO8uI-2ZHknw-01-DhV; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:32:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MO8uI-2ZHknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:32:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MO8uH-0002oM-Jx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:32:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 020AEC7E291; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:32:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kAZiYTxTNTi1; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8B46C7DAE9; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:31:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4F6BC7E291 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:31:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6FY9rv0lvbH2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8676EC7DAE9 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-4-210.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.4.210] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1MO8tg-000FsM-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:31:40 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:29:28 +0100 Message-ID: <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> <507611a2b1Paul@sprie.nl> <50761d7e4adave@triffid.co.uk> <3c42497650.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <3c42497650.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1637 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=9t2MUS37cMUPZbfc1CAA:9 a=D0p5SZWq1EhkmzteGXcA:7 a=WC1XEadv10zzR8HUaKgIU-i94VMA:4 Alan Adams wrote on 5 Jul: > ... it seems they were using the OPro facility of directly > creating a PDF file ... this facility is news to me. please elucidate! -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd (01458) 83 3603 Glastonbury BA6 9JG pocket 0797 415 3861 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 7 12:40:38 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MO8x2-3iaVbs-07-Del.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:40:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MO8x2-3iaVbs-07-Del; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:35:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MO8x2-3iaVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:35:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MO8x2-0006uL-6F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:35:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76E4EC7EA4D; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:35:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 67V4VygjZeH9; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2242FC7EA4C; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:34:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65211C7E29A for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:34:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PS3YzjvWnEOG for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 082A1C7E8CD for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (88-134-110-214-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.110.214]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKxQS-1MO8wO1XZw-0003d5; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:34:28 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:35:36 +0200 Message-ID: <3959197750.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> <507611a2b1Paul@sprie.nl> <50761d7e4adave@triffid.co.uk> <3c42497650.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+3pGsJdkckb4PV4nDC6fO55YiH/DqBpNbsvPC L5zcJvG/qOKwqVM9ps0v6W0yvWAdnnfatM8vNb/RydMgQFSww4 sC3mme6JxcS0HgZ9sVa203hChNDwXm/ X-archive-position: 1638 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=9Cec20PTKJilFhgWIz4A:9 a=5wmramNl5_P76pzMacYA:7 a=ISpm5yKpf5FjE4Elz67fsB9ujckA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=GiEJc1BjO4I7HDQ6:21 a=mzsnCOQr-3HKerST:21 In message <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> Jim Nagel wrote: > Alan Adams wrote on 5 Jul: >> ... it seems they were using the OPro facility of directly >> creating a PDF file ... > this facility is news to me. please elucidate! I think Alan was mistaken. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 7 12:40:38 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MO8xf-2xIknw-01-De8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:40:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MO8xf-2xIknw-01-De8; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:35:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MO8xf-2xIknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:35:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MO8xe-0006AX-DX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:35:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBED1C7E2A0; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:35:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qPrj6jirR2fn; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F834C7EAEE; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:35:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F04FFC7E2A0 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:35:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KrdhWtYs81Ym for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F007C7E29A for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:35:10 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAEvPUkrUnw6R/2dsb2JhbADNVIQTBQ Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net ([212.159.14.145]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 07 Jul 2009 12:35:00 +0100 Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1MO8wu-0002qA-9g for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:35:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:31:42 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] DPScan default crop Message-ID: <507718fdcfnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <3709ce7650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> References: <3709ce7650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 8539ec91ad2c9295a1e04d0604b47721 X-archive-position: 1639 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Dofd4eWixwbiHuLoKVUA:9 a=ao0tKJHXs4VlV9AZ9mAA:7 a=gEdElJxFqfe9VRK76BTom1mtVSQA:4 Hi All, Is there a way of setting a default crop size please? Im trying to process a batch of images to fit them to a final size of 695 x 192 for a flash banner. -- besters.. Ned === skype:nedabell To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:35:36 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MO9z8-3dF000-06-Ccf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MO9z8-3dF000-06-Ccf; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:41:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MO9z8-3dF000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:41:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MO9z8-0005e4-HP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:41:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA656C7E3B1; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:41:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RjwRV+nFlz0w; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94E6EC7E4DA; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:40:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA977C7E3B1 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:40:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id it9hPjLshV7y for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C8C0C7E325 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MO9yY-0004m5-a7 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:40:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:39:33 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CMYK problem References: <8972216e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5076c0b683williamlack@clara.net> <3709ce7650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> <0cc9187750.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <0cc9187750.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1640 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=GMj1eFCoOQIwvBDoW6cA:7 a=9hoFq-NsrE05MpxRT-UmrcP6HtQA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=5Zqhu2Im8bOPwucJ:21 a=LcL9JAgmsE4zdF2J:21 In message <0cc9187750.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner writes >I would have thought the same would apply when OP prints a Duotone >sprite with both end points being CMYK colours, but apparently not I made that mistake. OP renders to RGB in this case - it is quite sensible given that Windows and RISC OS have an RGB colour model - obviously there is scope for more work there, render to CMYK if output is going to PostScript. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:35:37 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MO9zn-3Zl000-02-Cc0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MO9zn-3Zl000-02-Cc0; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:42:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MO9zn-3Zl000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:42:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MO9zm-0005Cf-IO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:42:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05429C7E469; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:42:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rnutN51A45zq; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7CD2C7E4DA; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 08:41:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 342FBC7E469 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:41:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HBVUbCaD0FnK for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC1E2C7E3E8 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MO9zB-0001xu-fe for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:41:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:40:10 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan default crop References: <3709ce7650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> <507718fdcfnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <507718fdcfnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1641 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BcoY1w1-YA4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aYE7sx7dAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VY9Rg-cqWIa0R-kK5h8A:9 a=0O3Oy8yGVJdSCWGj_A4A:7 a=muRWS2AGqNiY5NPO-lfygHTx858A:4 a=hbEmyDyCuOUeSio1:21 a=QvaePZ3uu4epSr98:21 In message <507718fdcfnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk>, Ned Abell writes >Is there a way of setting a default crop size please? >Im trying to process a batch of images to fit them to a final >size of 695 x 192 for a flash banner. Maybe you can drop new images into an already open window. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:35:37 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOANl-1wAknw-06-CE2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOANl-1wAknw-06-CE2; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:06:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOANl-1wAknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:06:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOANl-0005nI-5x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:06:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75F19C7EB81; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:06:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 82qDCn7sOKBA; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25659C7EB33; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:06:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B109C7EB81 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:06:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id flacZhsv0V+b for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5531C7EB7C for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090707130540.UZZW5579.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:05:40 +0100 Received: from a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk ([81.111.61.254]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20090707130540.KXZA2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:05:40 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CMYK problem To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Anthony Hilton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:05:52 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8972216e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5076c0b683williamlack@clara.net> <3709ce7650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=pZPhcQmMAAAA:8 a=OheV2XmHUgjqvf3Nj0UA:9 a=I8G3izDPPonNy3Rr_NAA:7 a=0Rc0Ou9NaSM-MILCR4aohNOjEvQA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=nRm1o29pdjkA:10 a=Rn9bDGPIOqnucYKR:21 a=P2YMeGQjCZDJaASo:21 X-archive-position: 1642 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=pZPhcQmMAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OheV2XmHUgjqvf3Nj0UA:9 a=9ATdjsp9HC8AGhP7alkA:7 a=Geb7oI8QIpSfZiLaeQcgPekG32UA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=nRm1o29pdjkA:10 a=pxNy2_4ceucvhVgo:21 a=4O-JDO0zr6YiqWIt:21 In message Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <3709ce7650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> > Anthony Hilton wrote: >> In message <5076c0b683williamlack@clara.net> >> William Lack wrote: >> [...] >>> So the images need to be converted to CMYK. ATM the simplest way that >>> I have found to edit them is to load them into !Artworks and export >>> them as CMYK bitmaps. These have all the black solely on the Black >>> plate and the resulting output seems to be what the printer wants. >>> I'd be grateful if anyone has any suggestions to simplify this process. >> When you have imported the sprites into OPro try processing them to >> Duotone and set the Lower colour to CMYK Black and the Upper colour to >> CMYK White. The View menu > Separations options now show the same 1bpp >> sprite only on the black plate. > Yes, that is correct. However, when you print that from the RISC OS > version of OP the sprite is still printed as an RGB sprite, not as a > CMYK sprite as one might expect, so William needs to investigate > whether the same is true when printing from OPW. Thank you for the clarifications and corrections of my misunderstandings, Martin. My other thought would be to try printing just the blacK separation from Opro (or OPW) for distilling to a PDF, but I don't know whether the black would still be in RGB space or the colour jpegs would be included and then the print shop could separate the resulting PDF. Probably adding to confusion again ;-) Anthony -- Anthony Hilton ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:35:38 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOBHa-4N5Vbs-02-BKD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOBHa-4N5Vbs-02-BKD; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:04:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOBHa-4N5Vbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:04:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOBHZ-0007gN-ER for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:04:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABB56C7EB87; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:04:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ODVEXnKypIar; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CFEFC7EC15; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:03:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BAE3BC7EB87 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:03:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XxgtpwXVLmYM for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69ED8C7EB6D for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 10:03:53 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAK/yUkrUnw6T/2dsb2JhbADOF4QTBQ Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net ([212.159.14.147]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 07 Jul 2009 15:03:53 +0100 Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1MOBGy-00029Z-Tg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:03:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:00:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan default crop Message-ID: <507726972dnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <3709ce7650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> <507718fdcfnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: ebab442d05eadfa2613c14aba219b7ce X-archive-position: 1643 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BcoY1w1-YA4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aYE7sx7dAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=T_U8EtUNc06TT0sTt7cA:9 a=E4E5DLi1Q36khsvDwrcA:7 a=lRSg1MDz2cDklPRpGXNWqtGZIzkA:4 a=uBFUtHymq6jyU_ro:21 a=cJmKkSomj639abfz:21 On 07 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > In message <507718fdcfnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk>, Ned Abell > writes > >Is there a way of setting a default crop size please? Im > >trying to process a batch of images to fit them to a final > >size of 695 x 192 for a flash banner. > Maybe you can drop new images into an already open window. Yes David I can but then if you select another tool other than via the "Menu Menu" you loose the settings. Thats what I would like to keep. -- besters.. Ned === skype:nedabell To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:35:42 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOE7F-0oU000-02-H14.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOE7F-0oU000-02-H14; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:06:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOE7F-0oU000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:06:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOE7E-0001qK-Jl for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:06:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE018C7E167; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:05:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G+m8ILtvNZGs; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAE8EC7D9A1; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9FADC7E167 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mcz855Nhbewe for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A1FAC7E0D1 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 13:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-201-69.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.201.69]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n67H5Urt014745 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 18:05:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:03:45 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF Message-ID: <5077376467dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> <507611a2b1Paul@sprie.nl> <50761d7e4adave@triffid.co.uk> <3c42497650.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1644 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NE3RNf0JrIZPo1-l320A:9 a=QMudDijo8NoYm0yxRp8A:7 a=zUYJ5fVVAZGscZfFJZM0jKer_HEA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=HInFOJ-MHwBymLLC:21 a=34wyNJvQ2LlO1m71:21 In article <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel wrote: > Alan Adams wrote on 5 Jul: > > ... it seems they were using the OPro facility of directly > > creating a PDF file ... > this facility is news to me. please elucidate! OvPro on RISC OS. If the printer you have as active is something like PrintPDF, then whatever you print out of OvPro ends up as a PDF. I do a similar thing with PC OvPro by having the active driver as PDFCreator. Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:35:43 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOFGg-4MmVbs-04-Frd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOFGg-4MmVbs-04-Frd; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:19:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOFGg-4MmVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:19:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOFGf-0001sr-DW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:19:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8FA5C7EC06; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:19:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g4bMBLDFL3tj; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E83CC7EB36; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:19:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3794C7EC06 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:19:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VDVlG28+roPA for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37023C7E580 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-4-210.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.4.210] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1MOFG4-0001my-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:19:12 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:20:29 +0100 Message-ID: References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> <507611a2b1Paul@sprie.nl> <50761d7e4adave@triffid.co.uk> <3c42497650.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5077376467dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5077376467dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1645 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Wr4EqhocSPgv32jXJTMA:9 a=962tqpxmoMbIt6gogQwA:7 a=jx0YKBTDnffNBcbH5lXCsFUx42sA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=bx4R28CmATA6Eng4:21 a=SiAhmJ_ymerohJFn:21 Dave Symes wrote on 7 Jul: > In article <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, > Jim Nagel wrote: >> Alan Adams wrote on 5 Jul: >>> ... it seems they were using the OPro facility of directly >>> creating a PDF file ... >> this facility is news to me. please elucidate! > OvPro on RISC OS. > If the printer you have as active is something like PrintPDF, then > whatever you print out of OvPro ends up as a PDF. > I do a similar thing with PC OvPro by having the active driver as > PDFCreator. well, that's not a facility of OPro; that's in effect a printer driver that's available to any app. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:35:43 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOFIh-4XNVbs-04-Fpc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOFIh-4XNVbs-04-Fpc; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:21:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOFIh-4XNVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:21:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOFIh-0006Kp-47 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:21:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79E67C7E67C; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:21:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YaqS+G0rwD45; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32D08C7E70A; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:21:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8B66C7E67C for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:21:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k3xZd8vCXox7 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62E0BC7E536 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MOFI6-00052I-md for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:21:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:21:55 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF Message-ID: <50773e8c45charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5077376467dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> <507611a2b1Paul@sprie.nl> <50761d7e4adave@triffid.co.uk> <3c42497650.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5077376467dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1646 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Wr4EqhocSPgv32jXJTMA:9 a=y1L4sWjhue5Ti9nuXbAA:7 a=4DgXIPvfXVwHRpe7kTgl4yoKwesA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=x2t0X9upIJbTt_vU:21 a=t7PZvLNkwcYJIabH:21 In article <5077376467dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, > Jim Nagel wrote: > > Alan Adams wrote on 5 Jul: > > > ... it seems they were using the OPro facility of directly > > > creating a PDF file ... > > this facility is news to me. please elucidate! > OvPro on RISC OS. > If the printer you have as active is something like PrintPDF, then > whatever you print out of OvPro ends up as a PDF. > I do a similar thing with PC OvPro by having the active driver as > PDFCreator. but that's not "directly" creating a pdf as you can with Artworks where it features in the application's menu > Dave -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:35:43 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOFuD-1POVbs-03-FE6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOFuD-1POVbs-03-FE6; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:00:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOFuD-1POVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:00:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOFuC-000658-7H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:00:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0F30C7E56F; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:00:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GbCOZP8gY2Cs; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D7BCC7EB23; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:00:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E24A6C7E56F for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:00:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0kQcSNhP5gys for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81E9BC7E459 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-201-69.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.201.69]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n67J0Af2016765 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:00:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:55:16 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF Message-ID: <50774199fbdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50773e8c45charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> <507611a2b1Paul@sprie.nl> <50761d7e4adave@triffid.co.uk> <3c42497650.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5077376467dave@triffid.co.uk> <50773e8c45charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-archive-position: 1647 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2eoRio6Jm7-26Fg87vMA:9 a=r5WwHzpRH3j9ynKG32cA:7 a=K81nhbj_rMOTnLDKfUAF7e2lyxgA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=dBFJ3HpOgeGiYLok:21 a=thDvcf0dIVY2RBg8:21 In article <50773e8c45charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: > In article <5077376467dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > In article <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, > > Jim Nagel wrote: > > > Alan Adams wrote on 5 Jul: > > > > ... it seems they were using the OPro facility of directly > > > > creating a PDF file ... > > > this facility is news to me. please elucidate! > > OvPro on RISC OS. > > If the printer you have as active is something like PrintPDF, then > > whatever you print out of OvPro ends up as a PDF. > > I do a similar thing with PC OvPro by having the active driver as > > PDFCreator. > but that's not "directly" creating a pdf as you can with Artworks where > it features in the application's menu Yes I'm quite aware it's not a native feature of OvPro, but so what, think outside the box... It works, it does the business. Dave Wouldn't know about Artworks, don't have it, so don't use it. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:35:43 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOFuF-1PdVbs-03-FE4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOFuF-1PdVbs-03-FE4; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:00:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOFuF-1PdVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:00:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOFuE-0006wO-TU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:00:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4724FC7E8BD; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:00:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s4gBBsEb66d6; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 011EAC7E660; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:00:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DFADC7DD54 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:00:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FKGhFl67J0vO for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5F69C7E459 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-201-69.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.201.69]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n67J0Af4016765 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:00:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:58:17 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF Message-ID: <507741e085dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> <507611a2b1Paul@sprie.nl> <50761d7e4adave@triffid.co.uk> <3c42497650.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5077376467dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1648 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gTsxNF9PVhUT1SZg2ucA:9 a=oAhBOiL1ksEs1m0T7B8A:7 a=eUM7Rbp2DPVELwBFHM0dmJCuAW8A:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=SoAqKaWvLHzzmhWn:21 a=0i2JKpIFM1Vm4e_r:21 In article , Jim Nagel wrote: [Snippy] > well, that's not a facility of OPro; that's in effect a printer driver > that's available to any app. Yes I do know the difference. The point is, it works, and it does the business. Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:35:47 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOHNK-2akVbs-01-Dkz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOHNK-2akVbs-01-Dkz; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:34:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOHNK-2akVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:34:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOHNJ-0000kH-KB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:34:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED3E7C7E9E5; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:34:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oqrs+9fNh9uZ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7D4FC7EC49; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:34:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 476C3C7E9E5 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:34:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eoIruc-dCqWH for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD1E4C7E931 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk (88-202-205-230.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.205.230]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n67KYNd3018066 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:34:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:33:59 +0100 Message-ID: <9fa34a7750.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> <507611a2b1Paul@sprie.nl> <50761d7e4adave@triffid.co.uk> <3c42497650.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <3959197750.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <3959197750.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1649 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=mrPA9dX9U-KWrhpmyIEA:9 a=GW3KSiAGPt9178uYiIsA:7 a=RYMF3kKlifeQLy-FxeXo0ld3RQYA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=ll8UDY2PJ3ROSECx:21 a=G0VCMJKHZt49Qshm:21 In message <3959197750.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> > Jim Nagel wrote: >> Alan Adams wrote on 5 Jul: >>> ... it seems they were using the OPro facility of directly >>> creating a PDF file ... >> this facility is news to me. please elucidate! > I think Alan was mistaken. > Martin I was confused. If I recall correctly this time, OPro for Windows can create PostScript directly, while Artworks can (also?) create PDF. As I don't use either of the above, just OPro on RISC OS, it's easy to get confused. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:35:48 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOIBH-3RI000-02-Cx2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOIBH-3RI000-02-Cx2; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:26:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOIBH-3RI000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:26:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOIBG-0006BY-AI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:26:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96BE0C76021; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:26:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zeqir8mv+7x6; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50CF3C7E186; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:25:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78AF9C76021 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:25:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2OAu9Pb1Cj9H for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E15AC7DBD4 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (88-134-174-8-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.174.8]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKuxg-1MOIAe2qW6-000dR4; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:25:49 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:01:18 +0200 Message-ID: References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> <507611a2b1Paul@sprie.nl> <50761d7e4adave@triffid.co.uk> <3c42497650.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5077376467dave@triffid.co.uk> <50773e8c45charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50774199fbdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50774199fbdave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18eoknFmaWOLjExfOQO90TS1hTxnQiRa+C/KPs OCB2xsUbSECIkrWyJsS8Oe1BZNDcR/4XoVSH7uzGggJJHMO9qp kpVCqZSvfytZRtkFV7PUw== X-archive-position: 1650 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rk80PClmEm-ElDn8i6MA:9 a=Vz41W6E23Sw0e8cdO18A:7 a=IJ1pTDgYHN9HxmHP9HUWHzJLAfYA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=fFEDepUNe7RCirMP:21 a=z5oEeEZYgfoWzb8Q:21 In message <50774199fbdave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <50773e8c45charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, > charles wrote: >> but that's not "directly" creating a pdf as you can with Artworks where >> it features in the application's menu > Yes I'm quite aware it's not a native feature of OvPro, but so what, think > outside the box... It works, it does the business. Well, sort of. There are various things that are rendered with very poor quality this way (e.g., all sprites with <= 256 colours and all sprites with > 256 colours and a mask) and that can be rendered with perfect quality when creating PDF directly. Plus, a PDF file generated via the printer driver is almost completely RGB based, whereas a directly created PDF can be CMYK based. At least the sprite problems will be fully addressed by the forthcoming new PostScript 3 driver, which means higher quality PDF files. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:35:53 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOKGN-1GhVbs-05-Arw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOKGN-1GhVbs-05-Arw; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:39:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOKGN-1GhVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:39:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOKGN-0001zK-96 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:39:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82A0CC7CCB3; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:39:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5cx9x20dzHwy; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 248E5C7E2E4; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 19:39:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C522C7CCB3 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:39:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tH05lETs1X88 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.14]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F9B3C766B5 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-4-210.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.4.210] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1MOKFl-000Jkn-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:39:13 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan default crop To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:32:44 +0100 Message-ID: <2f015b7750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <3709ce7650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> <507718fdcfnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <507726972dnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <507726972dnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1651 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BcoY1w1-YA4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aYE7sx7dAAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=70oVBYHN7xd1jQapl_AA:9 a=XcFsv7NscS_SqpGg8HUA:7 a=9oLyCMefhk7cGFub4lHgZtlz4NcA:4 a=r0jKMYu0XtWeOkG3:21 a=PRtOv2Uk9RslxEkW:21 Ned Abell writes: >>>Is there a way of setting a default crop size please? Im >>>trying to process a batch of images to fit them to a final >>>size of 695 x 192 for a flash banner. David Pilling: >> Maybe you can drop new images into an already open window. > Yes, David, I can but then if you select another tool other than > via the "Menu Menu" you lose the settings. Thats what I would > like to keep. i've often wished for some sort of "constrain shape" setting for cropping. e.g. for those thumbnail photos of authors in Archive i've settled on 4:3 ratio. and, while we're making suggestions, 'twould be good if the default number of bins in histogram and gamma could be 32 or 64 instead of the present 8 or 16. ;=} -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:35:54 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOKdT-3Q0Vbs-08-AUq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOKdT-3Q0Vbs-08-AUq; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:03:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOKdT-3Q0Vbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:03:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOKdS-0003pY-IP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:03:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAF76C7E0B6; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:03:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s2JjldrU3gKj; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 675DAC7E438; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:03:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF7C5C7E2B4 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:03:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WeVYhNoqJUJ3 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F230C7E2AE for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-4-210.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.4.210] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1MOKcq-000Cld-Tb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:03:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:04:21 +0100 Message-ID: <24e65d7750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <12C48C397E804798A6FA6A9E19917B6A@Dell> <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> <507611a2b1Paul@sprie.nl> <50761d7e4adave@triffid.co.uk> <3c42497650.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5077376467dave@triffid.co.uk> <50773e8c45charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50774199fbdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1652 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=FeaFhSPEX6e6cv0KaFEA:9 a=r0Mfou7E5xYtrZlb5kMA:7 a=aVrrDxIGqmkN6tlBvTBUarUvgDwA:4 Martin Wuerthner wrote on 7 Jul: > ... the sprite problems will be fully addressed by the > forthcoming new PostScript 3 driver, which means higher quality PDF song comes to mind from ancient days at youth camps: here we sit like birds in the wilderness, birds in the wilderness, [repeat & repeat] waiting to be fed. ;=} had a frustrating case today. document had two instances of the same graphic. one appeared (via existing creaking Acorn Postscript2 driver) in the PDF, the other did not. i eagerly await Postscript3; all power to the elbows of Tytgat&Wuerthner! -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd (01458) 83 3603 Glastonbury BA6 9JG pocket 0797 415 3861 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:35:54 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOKh7-2kOVbs-06-ARC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOKh7-2kOVbs-06-ARC; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:07:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOKh7-2kOVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:07:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOKh7-0000Ft-BP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:07:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C17C2C7E255; 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Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hel.is.scarlet.be (hel.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED454C7E22E for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hobbes (ip-83-134-171-45.dsl.scarlet.be [83.134.171.45]) by hel.is.scarlet.be (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n6806pLn011099 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 02:06:51 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=scarlet.be; s=scarlet; t=1247011612; bh=Q08HsSA42G/O9W077VzGWxKXfBWfJAe2qpvZaukVB30=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dxA7r6HaPP80VP22RcDEkqUeeFG7LT4+H/ZBryu0aDYMi8ZfYLoGGBWXXcxef5PH5 4qbXW5TUuqYKdjImDr7go/MzkkblNor3cjppCtSmfLzesOto97XykUFI6oP5wApXlG 11UwStikl4fd9J+pT0PlkUwQRjeYFoYUfe9tAV5k= Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:05:56 +0100 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing to Adobe PDF Message-ID: <2b0b5e7750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> References: <50757b0a62briancarroll@f2s.com> <50757ec21ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5075b0a833dave@triffid.co.uk> <507611a2b1Paul@sprie.nl> <50761d7e4adave@triffid.co.uk> <3c42497650.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> <74c9187750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5077376467dave@triffid.co.uk> <50773e8c45charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <50774199fbdave@triffid.co.uk> <24e65d7750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <24e65d7750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.17) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-archive-position: 1653 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qCw_SKT3YQIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=3EK5X8rpAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7mELct32FYNU2S0oFHsA:9 a=6PR3yEPZjvCimfc1rJ8A:7 a=6D5kz9jymyY6hXRYca_slwl7TpsA:4 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 In message <24e65d7750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> you wrote: > Martin Wuerthner wrote on 7 Jul: > > ... the sprite problems will be fully addressed by the > > forthcoming new PostScript 3 driver, which means higher quality PDF > > song comes to mind from ancient days at youth camps: > > here we sit like birds in the wilderness, > birds in the wilderness, > [repeat & repeat] > waiting to be fed. ;=} > > had a frustrating case today. document had two instances of the same > graphic. one appeared (via existing creaking Acorn Postscript2 > driver) in the PDF, the other did not. i eagerly await Postscript3; > all power to the elbows of Tytgat&Wuerthner! Auw, so much pressure on our shoulders... ;-) John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:35:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MORv7-1qGGPo-07-Bji.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MORv7-1qGGPo-07-Bji; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:50:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MORv7-1qGGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:50:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MORv6-0006zN-JO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 07:50:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D682EC7F0AF; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 03:50:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DROoSwf-7G-H; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 03:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9567FC7EAB7; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 03:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:49:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38148C7F0AF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 03:49:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jrWs9uJFE2VE for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 03:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CPSMTPM-EML107.kpnxchange.com (Cpsmtpm-eml107.kpnxchange.com [195.121.3.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7CA0C7F09D for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 03:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([81.204.75.73]) by CPSMTPM-EML107.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:49:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:48:58 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan default crop Message-ID: <5077886faaPaul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <2f015b7750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <3709ce7650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> <507718fdcfnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <507726972dnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <2f015b7750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2009 07:49:47.0865 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA971C90:01C9FFA0] X-archive-position: 1654 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BcoY1w1-YA4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=WjQB6oonNgYJcxGHthIA:9 a=uyLoPecgxydnGBsouUkA:7 a=A2NFiv7ITdSorWW_aiNU9NGQKhsA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=IHffK7Y7HSEqQe90:21 a=kce6s2JACmdKbR0F:21 In article <2f015b7750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel wrote: > and, while we're making suggestions, 'twould be good if the default > number of bins in histogram and gamma could be 32 or 64 instead of the > present 8 or 16. ;=} ... DPScan would be even better if there was something like an Auto Page Size option, which automatically chooses a page size that fully displays the entered picture. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:35:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOS4w-2arGPo-02-BZt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOS4w-2arGPo-02-BZt; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:00:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOS4w-2arGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:00:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOS4v-0001P0-WB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:00:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41E06C7EEF0; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 04:00:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9aF8fPLzNayo; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 04:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3C08C7EF88; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 04:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:59:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D29DC7EEF0 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 03:59:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WipyeMpboDMO for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 03:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDE7BC7DED8 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 03:59:56 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAKLuU0rUnw6S/2dsb2JhbADPUoQIBQ Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net ([212.159.14.146]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 08 Jul 2009 08:59:55 +0100 Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1MOS4J-00013a-7P for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:59:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:56:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan default crop Message-ID: <5077892261nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <2f015b7750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <3709ce7650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> <507718fdcfnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <507726972dnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <2f015b7750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 9c2c5aa792d112723d19b2ebd73af3fd X-archive-position: 1655 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BcoY1w1-YA4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=aYE7sx7dAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=YF4JiUGZvyTKA4D7qkEA:9 a=Mw5PBpAZKGPiCkkOX2gA:7 a=7XWDFQkCtB_TymCNseoMt9x0t70A:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=imKnVcWyGswmFBRb:21 a=f2f_8uvqNerTS0BU:21 On 08 Jul, Jim Nagel wrote: > Ned Abell writes: > >>>Is there a way of setting a default crop size please? Im > >>>trying to process a batch of images to fit them to a final > >>>size of 695 x 192 for a flash banner. > David Pilling: > >> Maybe you can drop new images into an already open > >> window. > > Yes, David, I can but then if you select another tool > > other than via the "Menu Menu" you lose the settings. > > Thats what I would like to keep. > i've often wished for some sort of "constrain shape" > setting for cropping. e.g. for those thumbnail photos of > authors in Archive i've settled on 4:3 ratio. > and, while we're making suggestions, 'twould be good if the > default number of bins in histogram and gamma could be 32 > or 64 instead of the present 8 or 16. ;=} Interestingly Snapper saves the "Area" snap size for the next use (but I dont know if this is a David original or a Chris tweak to the program?) -- besters.. Ned === skype:nedabell To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:35:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOSFF-0o2000-05-BPa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOSFF-0o2000-05-BPa; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:11:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOSFF-0o2000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:11:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOSFE-0006yZ-FJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 08:11:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DE1FC7F172; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 04:11:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x8A1ZmeWSeA1; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 04:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 375E2C7F16C; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 04:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 08 Jul 2009 04:10:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79DDBC7F127 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 04:10:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oYYaWXEIyQVY for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 04:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CPSMTPM-EML107.kpnxchange.com (Cpsmtpm-eml107.kpnxchange.com [195.121.3.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BA0EC7E646 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 04:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([81.204.75.73]) by CPSMTPM-EML107.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Wed, 8 Jul 2009 10:10:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:10:32 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan default crop Message-ID: <50778a68e6Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <507718fdcfnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> References: <3709ce7650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> <507718fdcfnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2009 08:10:35.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[924B4B90:01C9FFA3] X-archive-position: 1656 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BcoY1w1-YA4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aYE7sx7dAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=e7pBJay8tX979eWCk40A:9 a=O06nYaSZ6pNFKxdCDQsA:7 a=xbSEh04YQXaKHq5zBbCJb95Z0nAA:4 a=azGybAJvBEUD1OAv:21 a=pHd_vEoN5wquaNkT:21 In article <507718fdcfnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk>, Ned Abell wrote: > Is there a way of setting a default crop size please? > Im trying to process a batch of images to fit them to a final > size of 695 x 192 for a flash banner. I think that for such tasks !BatchFSI is unbeatable. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:35:58 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOT7v-34cknw-05-AWu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:35:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOT7v-34cknw-05-AWu; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:07:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOT7v-34cknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:07:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOT7v-0002b7-A0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:07:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A51D7C7F102; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 05:07:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1q2ghcX1qy2W; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 05:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F726C7F106; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 05:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:07:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 089EEC7F102 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 05:07:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CT+qbVSLbcsa for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 05:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC634C7F086 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 05:07:06 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEABD/U0rUnw6S/2dsb2JhbADPc4QIBQ Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net ([212.159.14.146]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 08 Jul 2009 10:07:05 +0100 Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1MOT7I-0002ww-VH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:07:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:03:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan default crop Message-ID: <50778f47adnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <50778a68e6Paul@sprie.nl> References: <3709ce7650.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> <507718fdcfnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <50778a68e6Paul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: b4f1276a7a065808b0fd9223857399a3 X-archive-position: 1657 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BcoY1w1-YA4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=aYE7sx7dAAAA:8 a=ssXXHjd8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OuTYxfEEtaYnkooIAU4A:9 a=P0-G5LuMKT63aFHSAJ8A:7 a=sJJo-h4eTzd6Vg8ttqw_pW08whcA:4 a=vR5radaRR0Mx5WiW:21 a=l22xjdY9yDWZAhY3:21 On 08 Jul, Paul Sprangers wrote: > In article <507718fdcfnedabell@weatherpost.org.uk>, > Ned Abell wrote: > > Is there a way of setting a default crop size please? Im > > trying to process a batch of images to fit them to a > > final size of 695 x 192 for a flash banner. > I think that for such tasks !BatchFSI is unbeatable. Thanks Paul but Im also having to select parts of larger images, resize, and also scale before cropping. Its not a straight batch conversion. See www.chateaulesardits.com which is made up of parts of images, Compo composites etc before loading into Artworks to make a 695 x 192 pixel multi page pdf then fed to pdf2swf on the Ubuntu box. -- besters.. Ned === skype:nedabell To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 8 22:50:35 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOey4-3HQ000-06-Fjn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:50:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOey4-3HQ000-06-Fjn; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:46:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOey4-3HQ000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:46:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOey4-0006a3-47 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:46:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86015C7F78B; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:46:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o-cB871s3vd6; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AAC0C7F815; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:45:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AFC1C7F78B for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:45:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IUlMfvVOWvEn for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F310CC7F789 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MOexT-0001fx-c7 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:45:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 22:44:33 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CMYK problem References: <8972216e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5076c0b683williamlack@clara.net> In-Reply-To: <5076c0b683williamlack@clara.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1658 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=HmCT5iXHAAAA:8 a=jyKww0IWAAAA:8 a=pZPhcQmMAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=PHE_FrgbClO_Jn41Ro0A:9 a=QJ5Fk-Fin_c07DA6tfMA:7 a=V2Vs10ALxiBSjka2mGAuNr9UDlEA:4 a=wPd3_7D0gv4A:10 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 (Two forwarded messages - you have to post from the address you're subscribed to the list with) >From: William Lack > However Martin you have reminded me that a feature of Impression (and > Ovation Pro on RISC OS) is that CMYK sprites end up being put directly > in the PostScript output stream - presumably (I don't recall) they are > still in CMYK space. I hadn't mentioned this in my original posting. Printing an Artworks-exported 32bpp CMYK image (100% K) via OPW+Distiller produced a slightly off-black image with small amounts on M and Y (say 0:2.5:2.5:95 CMYK). However a colleague supplied me with a Photoshop-generated 8bpp CMYK TIFF (100% K) and this printed pure black via the OPW+Distiller route. I imported these PDFs into Artworks to view the separations, presuming that this would be a test of the colour space. I was alarmed to find that my original PDFs which were rejected by the printer as being in the RGB colour space showed 0:0:0:100 CMYK when the separations were viewed in Artworks. Is it possible to examine the PDFs to see what colour space they are? > That does not sound too likely. Are you certain the image is in CMYK > space and purely in the K channel in the PS output in the first place? > From what we have been told so far Distiller is driven according to > the settings provided by the publisher, so whatever happens in > Distiller should be as they want it. The printer's colour job options are pretty minimal and Colour Management is specifically switched off. This implies to me that the colour space of the image will not be interfered with, ie if I have a CMYK image to start with it'll end up that way in the PDF. My copy of Distiller 5 does have colour management options (Emulate Acrobat 4, Emulate Photoshop 4, Europe Prepress defaults, Japan prepress defaults, Photoshop 5 default spaces, US prepress defaults, Web graphics defaults). Looking at these and the version numbers it may be that I need a more update version but I don't want to shell out =A3169 unless I have to! -- William Lack --------------------- william.lack@bt internet.com County Series: http://home.clara.net/williamlack/index.htm // eompost 4A5345B6:31FA.1:qnivqcvyyvat To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jul 9 00:20:39 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOgKA-3DQ000-01-ENh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 00:20:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOgKA-3DQ000-01-ENh; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:13:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOgKA-3DQ000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:13:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOgK9-00015T-AJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:13:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1E57C7F603; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:13:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fuQASOfZBTSu; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F32EC7FA5D; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:12:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7849EC7F603 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:12:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0W8xmAqaTpoY for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3873FC7FA3C for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-4-210.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.4.210] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1MOgJX-0003qx-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:12:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CMYK problem To: Ovation Pro From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:14:14 +0100 Message-ID: <9525dd7750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <8972216e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5076c0b683williamlack@clara.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1659 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=HmCT5iXHAAAA:8 a=jyKww0IWAAAA:8 a=pZPhcQmMAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=PHE_FrgbClO_Jn41Ro0A:9 a=LoXJjXJ-ovGNEl0cfA0A:7 a=f54fBSZ2-bmGcEWjNN6tD37wKMoA:4 a=wPd3_7D0gv4A:10 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 >>>j> sorry to quote all this back, but i'm confused about >>>j> who is writing which bits and which replies. --jim David Pilling (according to the From line) wrote in [softwarelist] on 2009-07-08 at 22:44 : ====== message as received: ======== (Two forwarded messages - you have to post from the address you're subscribed to the list with) >From: William Lack > However Martin you have reminded me that a feature of Impression (and > Ovation Pro on RISC OS) is that CMYK sprites end up being put directly > in the PostScript output stream - presumably (I don't recall) they are > still in CMYK space. I hadn't mentioned this in my original posting. Printing an Artworks-exported 32bpp CMYK image (100% K) via OPW+Distiller produced a slightly off-black image with small amounts on M and Y (say 0:2.5:2.5:95 CMYK). However a colleague supplied me with a Photoshop-generated 8bpp CMYK TIFF (100% K) and this printed pure black via the OPW+Distiller route. I imported these PDFs into Artworks to view the separations, presuming that this would be a test of the colour space. I was alarmed to find that my original PDFs which were rejected by the printer as being in the RGB colour space showed 0:0:0:100 CMYK when the separations were viewed in Artworks. Is it possible to examine the PDFs to see what colour space they are? > That does not sound too likely. Are you certain the image is in CMYK > space and purely in the K channel in the PS output in the first place? > From what we have been told so far Distiller is driven according to > the settings provided by the publisher, so whatever happens in > Distiller should be as they want it. The printer's colour job options are pretty minimal and Colour Management is specifically switched off. This implies to me that the colour space of the image will not be interfered with, ie if I have a CMYK image to start with it'll end up that way in the PDF. My copy of Distiller 5 does have colour management options (Emulate Acrobat 4, Emulate Photoshop 4, Europe Prepress defaults, Japan prepress defaults, Photoshop 5 default spaces, US prepress defaults, Web graphics defaults). Looking at these and the version numbers it may be that I need a more update version but I don't want to shell out =A3169 unless I have to! -- William Lack --------------------- william.lack@bt internet.com County Series: http://home.clara.net/williamlack/index.htm // eompost 4A5345B6:31FA.1:qnivqcvyyvat To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling ========= end of message as received ======= To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jul 9 11:37:19 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOgjr-0g8Vbs-06-Dy0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:37:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOgjr-0g8Vbs-06-Dy0; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:39:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOgjr-0g8Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:39:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOgjr-0000Wm-2y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:39:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37E5AC7F3ED; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:39:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id heHekyx6v6BB; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E470CC7F777; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:39:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3981C7F3ED for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:39:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yWQtr0d5SBuH for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6769C7F74C for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 19:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MOgjC-0002x0-np for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:39:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 00:38:01 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CMYK problem References: <8972216e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5076c0b683williamlack@clara.net> <9525dd7750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9525dd7750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1660 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pA95KUPzfv3AeWJ8TaYA:9 a=BwOhjPYFB8ddeFx3e6kA:7 a=yU2XG3THK4rrtHndz-9xst2lwWsA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=OetFYv86fuodQkDM:21 a=Cs4GXlEoNk-lAe0w:21 Hi, In message <9525dd7750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel writes >>>>j> sorry to quote all this back, but i'm confused about >>>>j> who is writing which bits and which replies. --jim William Lack has posted a couple of messages to the list, they've bounced to me because they've been posted from an address that is not subscribed. Now I should be able to re-post them transparently, but that feature stopped working years ago, I reckon the least damage is done by me posting them in the way I just did. I can't do any better, the un-quoted text is William's the quoted text comes from earlier in this thread. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jul 9 11:37:20 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOhA6-1ANknw-01-DXl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:37:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOhA6-1ANknw-01-DXl; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:06:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOhA6-1ANknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:06:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOhA6-0006ra-6m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:06:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C06BC7F7F3; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:06:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BeWwZGCGhn-M; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43C01C7F175; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:06:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 540F4C7F7F3 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:06:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id txOHPoXJTpOD for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dombey.localdomain (chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk [80.177.169.146]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90344C7F175 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dombey.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id D615DBF31; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 01:06:05 +0100 (BST) From: Deri James To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CMYK problem Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 01:06:05 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.4 (Linux/2.6.29.3-desktop-1mnb; KDE/4.2.4; x86_64; ; ) References: <8972216e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5076c0b683williamlack@clara.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200907090106.05732.deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk> X-archive-position: 1661 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2NWXpWv5XBcUe43_tRIA:9 a=DCw5CjLItkG5esXGvTsA:7 a=_R6VwdBc-BdJmWCQVUdbWCSEWxUA:4 On Wednesday 08 July 2009 22:44:33 David Pilling wrote: > Is it possible to examine the PDFs to see what colour > space they are? To check the colour space of an image:- First uncompress the PDF (on linux I use 'pdftk' to uncompress, but as you use acrobat software you probably already have the tools to do the decompression). You can then examine the PDF using a text editor. (Note: the file may still contain binary data, between 'stream'/'endstream' pairs, but you can ignore this - it will be the individual pixel values of your bit-mapped image). Locate an object with "/Type /XObject" and "/SubType /Image". Within that object look for a tag "/ColorSpace" which is likely to have values of "/DeviceGray, /DeviceRGB, or /DeviceCMYK". You may find other tags for "/ColorSpace" elsewhere in the PDF (like the Resource Dictionary) but usually each embedded /XObject /Image specifies the colour space to use explicitly. Cheers Deri To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jul 9 11:37:25 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MOpyB-0XAGPo-06-DGC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:37:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MOpyB-0XAGPo-06-DGC; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:31:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MOpyB-0XAGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:31:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MOpyA-0005mu-U4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:31:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EAC8C7F6D1; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:31:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v8NrN6BK0gNR; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E97A0C7F633; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Jul 2009 05:30:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42F00C7F6C6 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:30:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id So05TK1vzKHI for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.65]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id ABD11C7F660 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 05:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 68124 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 09:30:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO standalone.) (williamlack@81.156.105.146 with login) by smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 09:30:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: QdANp9SswBDC8dfmAIO5_lvVbAOUrKrAbDXzTYkrTAms X-YMail-OSG: 5gWcbKwVM1kEXlqJd6uOw6XRu0mLS5pj4lzgdTmuu7CSHvX.3PIFnB37g2OxrHXcWaAx1OTml6JFdYO6_K8.izT2BBoFZxyIaPLr._hG4k1cGaS1PyyyLmT3Y8yP6lSlqOamWzxlchD0.jlUA9Q4PxWAtsJLqG6glqu_ge81fxsnZKzI_Ag367IW4_o5170aV2swkibnOi8iUrmRZwm8WxklZELq9P_yE.HBvj2xgwMRZLdNVC59h2JDBjLkhnSdRCKRUi0wPzu6h_905o3_qqSfAeKzDG61XLTmO4R_rzmyvi4hVqM6 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: William Lack To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:48:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CMYK problem Message-ID: <50781739a9williamlack@clara.net> In-Reply-To: <200907090106.05732.deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk> References: <8972216e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5076c0b683williamlack@clara.net> <200907090106.05732.deri@chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1662 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: williamlack@clara.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=jyKww0IWAAAA:8 a=pZPhcQmMAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Tfq-CKjkR-61M46v5Q4A:9 a=sJglt0htUKSARm8REykA:7 a=ZmhfZ4XXLCwR0qdLWGX1coz3JwkA:4 a=wPd3_7D0gv4A:10 On 09 Jul, Deri James wrote: > On Wednesday 08 July 2009 22:44:33 David Pilling wrote: > > Is it possible to examine the PDFs to see what colour > > space they are? > To check the colour space of an image:- > First uncompress the PDF (on linux I use 'pdftk' to uncompress, but as you > use acrobat software you probably already have the tools to do the > decompression). > You can then examine the PDF using a text editor. (Note: the file may still > contain binary data, between 'stream'/'endstream' pairs, but you can ignore > this - it will be the individual pixel values of your bit-mapped image). > Locate an object with "/Type /XObject" and "/SubType /Image". > Within that object look for a tag "/ColorSpace" which is likely to have > values of "/DeviceGray, /DeviceRGB, or /DeviceCMYK". > You may find other tags for "/ColorSpace" elsewhere in the PDF (like the > Resource Dictionary) but usually each embedded /XObject /Image specifies > the colour space to use explicitly. Thanks for this, its very useful. My rejected PDFs originated with RGB sprites contained the tag: [/Indexed /DeviceRGB 1 10 0 R] Replacing the images with !Artworks-exported CMYK sprites resulted in PDFs with the tag: [/Indexed /DeviceCMYK 255 10 0 R] which has to be a result! -- William Lack --------------------- william.lack@bt internet.com County Series: http://home.clara.net/williamlack/index.htm To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 13 13:06:49 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MQKHk-2q6000-01-EiJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:06:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MQKHk-2q6000-01-EiJ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:05:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MQKHk-2q6000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:05:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MQKHk-00065u-Ct for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:05:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8B12C80E47; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:05:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6XnAX74IMtUP; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 505E6C80E1B; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:04:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CC60C80E21 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:04:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D6N2dmPOauGl for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D31AC80DD8 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-22-181.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.22.181] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1MQKH8-000NAf-CE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:04:54 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OPro seeming slow To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:04:50 +0100 Message-ID: <108c2d7a50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1663 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=a46ixm0sPj3inU2XBqkA:9 a=7tZGBK65mkvzlBCl2YgA:7 a=P6aRxxP5HdE0Yt86AWjFPISCyiQA:4 a=x0PxAQtOqhEK19QK:21 a=fs-yvoNHDTsusLT6:21 here's me still slogging on this abatross book job. (it's not about seafaring birds, it's just been hanging around my neck for a year.) at the moment i'm copying individual picture captions from their temporary location all on p.2 to their proper spots next to embedded pictures. for each operation, OPro freezes the machine for 90 seconds -- it gives no hourglass or other indication of doing anything, just twiddle thumbs and wait for iconbar clock to jump to correct time, which is the only clue that OPro has finished. i presume OPro is reflowing the rest of the document or something. tedious. is this normal, or is there something i should adjust? 7.5M in file, 78,000 words, 312 pages in 13 chapters. using OPro 2.77 on a StrongArm RiscPC with OS 4.39. as you can probably tell, i'm still an OPro novice. this is the first time i've used it for a job of this size. -- >>> no need to reply my entire message back to me ;=] Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd (01458) 83 3603 Glastonbury BA6 9JG pocket 0797 415 3861 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 13 13:21:50 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MQKRx-1UiGPo-04-EY6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:21:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MQKRx-1UiGPo-04-EY6; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:16:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MQKRx-1UiGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:16:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MQKRx-0001Pt-8D for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:16:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB168C80E08; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:16:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 716VO+cwyomn; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5275AC80E31; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:15:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63670C80E08 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:15:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zCfbuMooIALZ for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28732C80E00 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MQKRL-00020p-mf for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:15:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:16:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro seeming slow Message-ID: <507a341b09charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <108c2d7a50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <108c2d7a50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1664 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8I-pm1RPYLEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=D8y_APcycDx009qdAckA:9 a=qcYWX5DEKGoliGoYNLcA:7 a=yqKyKb0MBxQm1-Fhagh93mdkcYMA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=h9yWRW9wteMPfu6a:21 a=sIJif2xEb8QFFl0w:21 In article <108c2d7a50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel wrote: > here's me still slogging on this abatross book job. (it's not about > seafaring birds, it's just been hanging around my neck for a year.) > at the moment i'm copying individual picture captions from their > temporary location all on p.2 to their proper spots next to embedded > pictures. > for each operation, OPro freezes the machine for 90 seconds -- it > gives no hourglass or other indication of doing anything, just twiddle > thumbs and wait for iconbar clock to jump to correct time, which is > the only clue that OPro has finished. i presume OPro is reflowing the > rest of the document or something. tedious. > is this normal, or is there something i should adjust? I 'solved' this type of problem by purchasing an Iyonix . Maybe using VA on a fast processor would be even better. -- >From KT24 Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 13 13:51:51 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MQKxp-44Dknw-05-E2E.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:51:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MQKxp-44Dknw-05-E2E; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:49:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MQKxp-44Dknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:49:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MQKxo-0005Ym-LG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:49:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12439C80FF3; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:49:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P9ab-mJwZr0R; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B138CC8109F; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:48:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C235C80FF3 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:48:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AHDlC0O6e6rG for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A4D2C81036 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MQKxD-00059u-gk for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:48:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:47:22 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro seeming slow References: <108c2d7a50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <108c2d7a50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1665 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8I-pm1RPYLEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=AZjOoUi29nm3CE_RNFwA:7 a=_0B22TWiJFxTuyOu7xr42SfwuU8A:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=iG4plgze4e6GJf-S:21 a=OquOeFrWICIv9D9l:21 In message <108c2d7a50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel writes >for each operation, OPro freezes the machine for 90 seconds -- it >gives no hourglass or other indication of doing anything, just twiddle >thumbs and wait for iconbar clock to jump to correct time, which is >the only clue that OPro has finished. i presume OPro is reflowing the >rest of the document or something. tedious. On the whole OP is quick, it can re-flow text as fast as Impression and it does it in the background. But there have been situations in which things are slow, some of them have been fixed some remain. From your description it doesn't sound like you're doing anything particularly unusual. Oh hang on, lets say you *move* (copy+delete aka cut) a frame from page 2 to page 300. OP has no choice other than to reflow everything between pages 2 and 300, because it needs to know what page 300 is going to look like before it pastes the frame there. So a work around would be to copy from page 2 to page 300. Then delete everything from page 2 at the end of the day. Note that you can drag and drop frames (copy and move) and that you can have more than one window open on a document (one on page 2, one on page 300). But then again how are you doing this copying, via the clipboard? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 13 14:51:52 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MQLkw-2oa000-03-DF7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:51:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MQLkw-2oa000-03-DF7; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:39:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MQLkw-2oa000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:39:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MQLkv-0006aD-Kr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:39:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F1D7C8091C; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:39:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C3Mvqv7g605U; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3AB4C80F51; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:39:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A217C8091C for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:39:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mrhPOL48gKP6 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16AB0C7FEB1 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk (88-202-206-74.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.206.74]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6DDdCDq006009 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:39:13 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro seeming slow To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:38:50 +0100 Message-ID: <7aa53b7a50.Alan.Adams@laptop.adamshome.org.uk> References: <108c2d7a50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1666 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8I-pm1RPYLEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Uj8RJ03sROc-iQ-A_dcA:9 a=KNmiSu4GCzMnWTnMNv8A:7 a=7tIDzKHcE4sdIhIQLMlCcjLyoQsA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=uGmbjNc2gIROOEP5:21 a=6YtEYGTKg-n1IRyX:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <108c2d7a50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel > writes >>for each operation, OPro freezes the machine for 90 seconds -- it >>gives no hourglass or other indication of doing anything, just twiddle >>thumbs and wait for iconbar clock to jump to correct time, which is >>the only clue that OPro has finished. i presume OPro is reflowing the >>rest of the document or something. tedious. > On the whole OP is quick, it can re-flow text as fast as Impression and > it does it in the background. > But there have been situations in which things are slow, some of them > have been fixed some remain. > From your description it doesn't sound like you're doing anything > particularly unusual. > Oh hang on, lets say you *move* (copy+delete aka cut) a frame from page > 2 to page 300. OP has no choice other than to reflow everything between > pages 2 and 300, because it needs to know what page 300 is going to look > like before it pastes the frame there. > So a work around would be to copy from page 2 to page 300. Then delete > everything from page 2 at the end of the day. > Note that you can drag and drop frames (copy and move) and that you can > have more than one window open on a document (one on page 2, one on page > 300). > But then again how are you doing this copying, via the clipboard? Another alternative might be to move all the captions to a separate document, (which will involve a single reflow) then move them individually to where they need to be, which should avoid any reflow. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 13 16:36:56 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MQNZE-0E0000-03-BQp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:36:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MQNZE-0E0000-03-BQp; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:35:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MQNZE-0E0000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:35:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MQNZD-0005lL-H7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:35:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5DFAC811DD; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:35:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TKOH9IT5c3ce; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94D5EC81219; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:35:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A95E6C811DD for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:35:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VgB72CqNCITx for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.13]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AB26C811AE for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-22-181.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.22.181] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1MQNYc-00018c-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:35:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro seeming slow To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:36:42 +0100 Message-ID: <2670467a50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <108c2d7a50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1667 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8I-pm1RPYLEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yS-IalsQhmGhlDVCLMwA:9 a=-FhIsV4zAG5JJHA_F8kA:7 a=fM6fGzAqpmkRNoRCW6YY_OyYCb8A:4 David Pilling wrote on 13 Jul : > So a work around would be to copy from page 2 to page 300. Then delete > everything from page 2 at the end of the day. ah, yes, that makes sense. or Alan Adam's suggestion of copying captions from temp location to a separate document. or the second view. why didnt i thnk of that? (will see if it's any quicker.) thanks. > But then again how are you doing this copying, via the clipboard? yes, via clipboard. these captions are each just a line of text, not a frame. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 13 21:07:05 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MQRiT-29sknw-02-Fo6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:07:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MQRiT-29sknw-02-Fo6; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:01:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MQRiT-29sknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:01:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MQRiS-00062q-My for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:01:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E4D3C80CC0; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:01:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QjQwvF8Ov5vJ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2BB2C80BF3; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:01:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7B04C80CC0 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:01:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lFqaNpWnrBtv for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F1B9C80BC3 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MQRhs-0001w2-bB for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:01:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:59:22 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro seeming slow References: <108c2d7a50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <2670467a50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2670467a50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1668 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8I-pm1RPYLEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=RkKdWtUicCvkKKbAW_kA:7 a=cRnLn_b_nVr6H8qCcNW3nqTjLhcA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=d2WrNt00qnjB1uM-:21 a=_7QltoxWyaCp535c:21 In message <2670467a50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel writes >yes, via clipboard. these captions are each just a line of text, not >a frame. That of course makes the situation regarding reflows even more certain. You can drag and drop selected text too. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jul 16 20:33:51 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MRWUb-1lzGPo-04-8ha.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:33:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MRWUb-1lzGPo-04-8ha; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:19:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MRWUb-1lzGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:19:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MRWUa-0006IZ-HK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:19:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EECF9C82BB3; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:19:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ET0ooPLaqbKP; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B5C1C82D7B; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:19:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 791B2C82BB3 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:19:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w6Wo8wysaVe0 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40A97C828CF for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-25-131.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.25.131] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1MRWTy-000Jdu-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:19:06 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OPro chapter numbers and contents To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:21:01 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1669 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=NSfka_1fmg8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=m4KtFjau6F5zL0Iopo4A:9 a=s1g7loLfHGDtnhlFo98A:7 a=nMqqsiNYk4pKhdyv3bVp2uNP7noA:4 a=dBsnqTkul8oHgYJD:21 a=ePrrzOVx8JT5NOhq:21 i'm still stewing this 300-page book, as a newbie OPro user. i find i can't trust the chapter and page numbers displayed in the standard Info Palette -- and in the applet called Page Palette, which i also have running. i temporarily have chapter number showing alongside page number in the footers of each page, and sometimes the figure in these palettes differs by 1 from that showing in the footer. this is particulary true of the chapter number. even when i explicitly select something on the page. which is especially disconcerting when i want to delete a chapter, and the "Are you sure?" box talks about a chapter number different from the one i think i'm in. also, i'm trying to use the Contents applet (Roger Noble, v2.23, 2003) to give me a list of the captions used for illustrations in the book. why does it insist in starting at page 70, ignoring the captions on previous pages? someone suggested that i should save out a DDL file and then import that to a new document, in case various styles and stuff have got themselves into a twist. it might help with the repeated 90-second update phenomenon i complained about earlier, he said. does anyone concur? (i know this operation would lose Bookmarks, but i haven't defined any yet, so that's not a problem.) and if i do this, will i need to do each of the 12 chapters separately? it would actually be useful if in the new document i can define one master page that would be replicated for all chapters. -- >>> no need to reply my entire message back to me ;=] Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd (01458) 83 3603 Glastonbury BA6 9JG To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jul 16 21:18:25 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MRXMw-4S0Vbs-03-GLl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:18:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MRXMw-4S0Vbs-03-GLl; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:15:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MRXMw-4S0Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:15:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MRXMv-0005Ow-N1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:15:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CB28C82391; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:15:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N+hRXewNJW6y; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD1A3C7E36A; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:15:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FA88C82391 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:15:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YVKHnpI509Zt for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA496C80BE0 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:15:12 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.42,412,1243810800"; d="scan'208";a="112086326" Received: from unknown (HELO helvellyn) ([82.152.166.185]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 16 Jul 2009 21:15:11 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:11:08 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro chapter numbers and contents Message-ID: <3012eb7b50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1670 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=FESVgtJwKngA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=AbzGtWHD4NbwG2pjUT0A:9 a=7gWqo3IS1br0yYniNEQA:7 a=FiFXIsYFm13WctVG61AImpc5F_YA:4 a=HPof7hWrLcfUuE5v:21 a=bRY-nHRDhMaKl65p:21 On 16 Jul, Jim Nagel wrote in message : > i find i can't trust the chapter and page numbers displayed in the > standard Info Palette -- and in the applet called Page Palette, which > i also have running. > > i temporarily have chapter number showing alongside page number in the > footers of each page, and sometimes the figure in these palettes differs by > 1 from that showing in the footer. this is particulary true of the chapter > number. even when i explicitly select something on the page. The number is for the page at the centre of the window, regardless of what is selected at the time. I've also got a feeling that there are effectively two numbering schemes, if you have modified the chapter number sequence, but as I can't find the details in the manual I could well be wrong on that. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jul 16 22:48:27 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MRYaa-1elVbs-08-F87.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:48:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MRYaa-1elVbs-08-F87; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:34:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MRYaa-1elVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:34:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MRYaY-00008F-3F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:34:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C2F2C828EB; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:34:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1GJHFXJlobbD; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF4D7C82B58; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:33:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37A7CC828EB for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:33:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xgvu92fIYBj4 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4B7EC82B5C for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090716213309.HVXW5579.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:33:09 +0100 Received: from iyonix.iyonix.ntlworld.com ([213.104.13.172]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20090716213309.PKBG22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:33:09 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro chapter numbers and contents To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Noble X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:32:55 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=H32kA876ll4A:10 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=qx0WVkawAAAA:8 a=z-X3Oj7OkVH_cujmGlQA:9 a=L3XznnsbhZ7zfvJNMJncSR7oXhMA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=AbS1UDEkUS_juBMd:21 a=2D-Yy8MOKvcO4qJI:21 X-archive-position: 1671 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rgnoble@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=FESVgtJwKngA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=qx0WVkawAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=z-X3Oj7OkVH_cujmGlQA:9 a=aqyaTnhywqe6ZnyK6JQA:7 a=GG0oG_fliAXV5-fmPg0CZFSJGdYA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=biKxybd5stBpIHs0:21 a=wdxoncX6oCrKM-yC:21 Jim Nagel wrote: > also, i'm trying to use the Contents applet (Roger Noble, v2.23, 2003) > to give me a list of the captions used for illustrations in the book. > why does it insist in starting at page 70, ignoring the captions on > previous pages? It should only normally do that if you were using the "Do Contents from Cursor" button and the cursor happened to be on page 70. > someone suggested that i should save out a DDL file and then import > that to a new document, in case various styles and stuff have got > themselves into a twist. it might help with the repeated 90-second > update phenomenon i complained about earlier, he said. > does anyone concur? > (i know this operation would lose Bookmarks, but i haven't defined > any yet, so that's not a problem.) Sometimes saving as DDL does clean up problems with a document. If doing this does not result in the Contents applet working properly then let me know: we can try and find out what is going wrong. > and if i do this, will i need to do each of the 12 chapters > separately? You can save the entire document as DDL in one go. Alternatively you can save individual stories, but my experience of the latter is that the resultant DDL does not always load successfully: it appears that one or more objects end up missing from it. > it would actually be useful if in the new document i can > define one master page that would be replicated for all chapters. Each chapter has its own master page. However, when you add a new chapter you can tell it which chapter to base the new one on, and its master page gets copied to the new chapter. Cheers, Roger -- Roger Noble rgnoble@ntlworld.com roger.g.noble@manchester.ac.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 17 12:25:45 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MRlMV-3ntknw-03-Asi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:25:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MRlMV-3ntknw-03-Asi; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:12:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MRlMV-3ntknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:12:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MRlMK-00004X-Aw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:12:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3AF8C82F5A; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:12:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 52cL7K4hvR25; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0D1AC82F22; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:11:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BBA9C829D5 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:11:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sPq5himDECSS for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 024A2C827EA for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MRlLc-0003mK-g9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:11:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:10:11 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro chapter numbers and contents References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1672 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=FESVgtJwKngA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=BFHL_daSSfhKuikTaD0A:9 a=jhnchQnmMQaDqA1U1aMA:7 a=EDvpf7T59xbbRe-sp2X9iMy0OUwA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=FXheMTzVL8oZ0rZu:21 a=boZZPjJT9XL-yztD:21 In message , Jim Nagel writes >i find i can't trust the chapter and page numbers displayed in the >standard Info Palette -- and in the applet called Page Palette, which >i also have running. One of those funny things, done with the best of intentions, painstakingly programmed, logically perfect, this has been a long running irritation for users. The page/chapter numbers are correct but they relate to the area on view, not to the page with the selected object in. At least the delete chapter window tells you which chapter it is going to delete. You can always have a window that only part of one page will fit in. Raises the question, should this have been changed, do good programs come from listening to users. >someone suggested that i should save out a DDL file and then import >that to a new document, in case various styles and stuff have got This can be a good idea. However it only makes sense to use the "save whole document as DDL" option. The only other option available is saving stories as DDL, which has its role but this isn't it - you'd have to start recreating frames and whatever. The idea of DDL was that it saved all the document structure, frames etc. - so a big step forward over Impression DDF, but that it did not save display information - you'll lose things like print formats, view scales and anything applets have embedded in documents. If I was starting over, I'd do DDL as XML and I'd make it the only option for documents - back in 1992 machines were too slow - and I'd save everything. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 17 12:55:47 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MRlvu-2z0knw-01-AJJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:55:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MRlvu-2z0knw-01-AJJ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:48:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MRlvu-2z0knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:48:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MRlvt-0000qK-St for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:48:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5757CC82AAE; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:48:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id agRJTEAp8ERd; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07851C82CCF; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:48:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9371C82AAE for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:48:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zoySLBWXhaUi for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6570EC82F63 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-28-160.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.28.160] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1MRlvI-000Pbh-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:48:20 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OPro indexing question and searching for styles To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:48:08 +0100 Message-ID: <26db407c50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1673 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=t845QGuKwZUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=AX8eOQW2melkTf7EliUA:9 a=kOnVL5dPyVXhLfPjp_oA:7 a=sdQwv6n4wH7jW8XdLDUKDp-kVF0A:4 another question, still on this albatross book of mine. someone who knows the subject matter has gone through the file and highlighted words that are to appear in the index. we've used an OPro style for this, called "index", which i think i'm correct in understanding is what the Idxpro applet wants. for the moment the style has a coloured background to make it visible. the coloured highlighting shows that my helper has sometimes included a space before or after the tagged word or phrase. (1) is this going to be a problem for Idxpro? (ie, is it going to index "something", " something" and "something " separately or will it recognize all three variants to be the same thing?) (2) how can i search in the document for instances of text in a given style? (this would be useful to know, even if (1) is a non-problem.) (3) alternatively, how can i search the DDL for begin-index-style followed by space (or space followed by close-index-style)? this would be straightforward for me in Impression DDF, but i can't get my head round how to deal with those consarned quotemarks used fore&aft of every (quasi)line of text in DDL. (just to be clear, i have not actually used Idxpro yet. i think i understand that it will use Bookmarks, and that these would be lost in any DDL saved out. so that isnt an issue yet.) i'd be overjoyed to job out the chore of generating the index. is there anyone already familiar with using Idxpro who'd be interested in taking it on as a commission? this would be after layout is finalized. (tagging of words in text is already done, as i said.) -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd (01458) 83 3603 Glastonbury BA6 9JG pocket 0797 415 3861 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 17 12:55:48 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MRlzp-3RJknw-01-AFO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:55:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MRlzp-3RJknw-01-AFO; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:53:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MRlzp-3RJknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:53:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MRlza-0000qx-KC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:53:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19CE1C82D54; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:52:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SJxtOXkkwGmf; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD61DC82F50; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:52:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2106C82D54 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:52:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2K-sqGSMNXM3 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FFBBC82E23 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-28-160.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.28.160] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1MRlyo-0002Fl-KD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:51:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro chapter numbers and contents To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:52:38 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1674 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=FESVgtJwKngA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lhmI21cerS8NXbpcYmQA:9 a=BQkhQs2H1zIprvXCnDcA:7 a=zzBBawrTq4_zJPb_O9Kr85Gy8CcA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=5fhA1QQQsp3cFfTB:21 a=ERNgRGmWiPl4SJwU:21 Roger Noble wrote on 16 Jul : > Jim Nagel wrote: >> also, i'm trying to use the Contents applet (Roger Noble, v2.23, 2003) >> to give me a list of the captions used for illustrations in the book. >> why does it insist in starting at page 70, ignoring the captions on >> previous pages? > It should only normally do that if you were using the "Do Contents > from Cursor" button and the cursor happened to be on page 70. thanks for the quick response, Roger! thinking i might have clicked that button, i did the exercise again with the cursor on page 1 just to be sure and used the main "Do contents" button. same result. since my first post, i noticed that a caption on page 129 was not picked up by !Contents. there might be others; i havent checked systematically. it could be a peculiarity about how i applied the Caption style. pictures were already embedded in the main text. i started adding captions beside the embedded pic on the same line, then changed my mind and split captions off to a new paragraph. i'll try giving Caption a background colour to see if it gives a clue. tomorrow will try saving out as DDL into a fresh document and see if that helps. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd (01458) 83 3603 Glastonbury BA6 9JG pocket 0797 415 3861 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 17 13:10:47 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MRm3B-3prknw-01-AC2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:10:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MRm3B-3prknw-01-AC2; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:56:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MRm3B-3prknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:56:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MRm34-0002Ng-Cc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:56:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89F45C82045; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:56:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gCJMKX0EkR24; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BD22C8294B; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:55:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C80CC82045 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:55:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XHM4ze7PkdIX for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (smtp.bulldogdsl.com [83.146.21.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF27AC81F84 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 2C5471E41CB; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:55:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from tom160max (host-84-9-197-19.dslgb.com [84.9.197.19]) by cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FA11E4142 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:55:07 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: From: "Tom at Bulldog" To: References: Subject: [softwarelist] Widows and Orphans? Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:55:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type="original" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-archive-position: 1675 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tomhopley@bulldoghome.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=d811LbcECV4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=bQEaMyaYAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=byZy0fe4jJQeb2t5K64A:9 a=bjoizPzMQKg40wGgHQ8A:7 a=aXaFs7oJIxxNB0MfYypDi9ZwKy4A:4 Just a quickie (I hope). Pasting a lot of text into Ovation Pro (Windows), I confidently looked for the Widows & Orphans control. I couldn't find it - or even any reference in the RiscOS or Windows manuals. But I'm sure I've used it in OvPro in the past. Have I been dreaming, or is there a button or an Applet I've been missing? (Tried Fluff, but the widows and orphans are still there.) TIA TomH -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 3080 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 17 13:10:48 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MRmGO-1cAGPo-07-9yp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:10:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MRmGO-1cAGPo-07-9yp; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:10:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MRmGO-1cAGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:10:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MRmGO-0007mD-1T for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:10:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E342C827A6; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:10:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YZ0crHQqwvZU; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A7CAC83113; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:09:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F3E1C827A6 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:09:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PHChnFOCm5q4 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.opal-solutions.com (smtp03.opal-solutions.com [195.74.130.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EBB4EC829F3 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (websrv.quantel.com [195.12.20.34]) by smtp03.opal-solutions.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB124C0A for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:10:39 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <26db407c50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro indexing question and searching for styles MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:02:15 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-archive-position: 1676 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nBpWRnwFLwgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=erjms9XVK8Nj0DcfuGMA:9 a=q3hImPs7I-31u7XSRFIA:7 a=9BsjUS6iXCkyVJiqVtnGX1SuxEYA:4 a=Z7Cve0Oa9h0awQI7:21 a=USTVhjPnCHN-Dc_H:21 Jim Nagel wrote on 17/07/2009 12:48:08: > (2) how can i search in the document for instances of text in a given > style? (this would be useful to know, even if (1) is a non-problem.) > Have you looked at the SRWE (Search & Replace With Effects) applet? This has the ability to do searching for styles. If you turn on the wildcard search you can probably find the words with spaces. HTH Andy Ling -- This e-mail is intended for the named addressees only. Its contents may be privileged or confidential and should be treated as such. If you are not an intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and then delete it; do not copy, distribute, or take any action based on this e-mail. In the pursuit of its legitimate business activities and its conformance with relevant legislation, Quantel may access any e-mail (including attachments) it originates or receives, for potential scrutiny. Quantel is the trade name used by Quantel Holdings Limited and its subsidiaries. Quantel Holdings Limited is registered in England & Wales. 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Registered address: Turnpike Road, Newbury, Berkshire, RG14 2NX, United Kingdom To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 17 14:10:49 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MRn9U-2AYGPo-01-95j.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:10:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MRn9U-2AYGPo-01-95j; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:07:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MRn9U-2AYGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:07:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MRn9U-0005fD-2v for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:07:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69015C82A48; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:07:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wNW+gpDiLGmd; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C8DCC82F76; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:06:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20379C82A63 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:06:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hd4LQFQZTtmd for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.14]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC8FDC82A48 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-28-160.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.28.160] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1MRn8s-0000Er-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:06:27 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro indexing question and searching for styles To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:03:53 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1677 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nBpWRnwFLwgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=QJoP3gtGAiP-o8WiGlkA:9 a=Gt4XnqMACg9f6d82rRwA:7 a=ZSHqFrETNb49Quhlkg1x_cEF3iUA:4 a=Skpf-qo106oA:10 andy.ling@quantel.com wrote on 17 Jul: >> (2) > Have you looked at the SRWE (Search & Replace With Effects) applet? > This has the ability to do searching for styles. If you turn on > the wildcard search you can probably find the words with spaces. ahh, thanks, Andy. i HAD installed that applet ages ago but forgot about it, not to mention not realizing it uses Sh^F4 rather than ordinary F4 for search. so many new nooks&crannies for an OPro newbie to get used to! applets' innards, unforch, are not in the OPro manual's index! will see if SWRE does the needful ... IF in fact my first Q (1) in original post IS a problem. by the way, i checked Chris Johnson's applets site to be sure i have the latest version, and find 0.02 there, whereas i have 0.03 (2003-03-17). praps you could update him! thanks again. --jim -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd (01458) 83 3603 Glastonbury BA6 9JG pocket 0797 415 3861 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 17 20:40:09 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MRt6O-4YgVbs-06-BfL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:40:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MRt6O-4YgVbs-06-BfL; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:28:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MRt6O-4YgVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:28:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MRt6N-00067a-TJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:28:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68CF0C82B1F; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:28:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s8X-0Rn5958r; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C482C82BC3; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:27:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A933CC82B1F for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:27:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Klh1ZNMs6JwA for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 373ECC82B03 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090717192734.JRHO6742.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:27:34 +0100 Received: from a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk ([81.111.61.254]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20090717192734.ZXUN2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:27:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro indexing question and searching for styles To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Anthony Hilton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:26:51 +0100 Message-ID: <4fda6a7c50.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=4USIjoIJA9AA:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=k-Oq5YyRdvaYsw-elLUA:9 a=Tu60kSDlgzGY5Hcl_IheJ6cb4y0A:4 a=GudqlVWuZm4A:10 a=Skpf-qo106oA:10 X-archive-position: 1678 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nBpWRnwFLwgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=GCZBuicCAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=k-Oq5YyRdvaYsw-elLUA:9 a=pwn3FH14NlDHLAsbMDYA:7 a=c42ECp0IWpLYR90X8GZZeILcsf8A:4 a=GudqlVWuZm4A:10 a=Skpf-qo106oA:10 In message andy.ling@quantel.com wrote: > Jim Nagel wrote on 17/07/2009 12:48:08: >> (2) how can i search in the document for instances of text in a given >> style? (this would be useful to know, even if (1) is a non-problem.) >> > Have you looked at the SRWE (Search & Replace With Effects) applet? > This has the ability to do searching for styles. If you turn on > the wildcard search you can probably find the words with spaces. Even without turning on wildcards you could simply search for a space in the Index style and replace with space in a different (body?) style. Anthony -- Anthony Hilton ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 17 21:10:10 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MRtk5-0FG000-07-B1e.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:10:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MRtk5-0FG000-07-B1e; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:09:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MRtk5-0FG000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:09:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MRtk5-0006hq-3m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:09:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C959C834CB; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:09:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UeIOsqYRq6wB; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C2ADC835BA; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:08:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA803C834CB for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:08:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dsdYDOlOShFm for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81A16C83339 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MRtjU-0007Un-XV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:08:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:07:37 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Widows and Orphans? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1679 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0ZjusHrV2esA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=DKS3mwP8AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=3gxr9fefU04S1JDzeqoA:7 a=gbBDDdIKlTaRsjHgQiMF4lHGfogA:4 a=aFK3Y8iggiUA:10 a=fLDbSi55T00MJ_0O:21 a=9dsLxr9xFXTsyKJa:21 In message , Tom at Bulldog writes >Pasting a lot of text into Ovation Pro (Windows), I confidently >looked for the Widows & Orphans control. I couldn't find it - or even >any reference in the RiscOS or Windows manuals. >But I'm sure I've used it in OvPro in the past. >Have I been dreaming, or is there a button or an Applet I've been missing? I think the best on offer is the "together" applet, alas there is no widows and orphans control. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:20:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type="original" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-archive-position: 1680 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tomhopley@bulldoghome.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0ZjusHrV2esA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=DKS3mwP8AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=bQEaMyaYAAAA:8 a=rMrCGtmMPbwzMTD2oBEA:9 a=bH-QJszycbhcP-DBBL0A:7 a=HXiXKvQ5Ld3Kf1HIOqWhT8hlQ6gA:4 a=aFK3Y8iggiUA:10 a=HZw97U0BKCF6zdim:21 a=wIsYTP6kKNR2hXWD:21 Thanks David, So I was dreaming! I'll try the Together applet, but it's no great problem to do it manually. Thanks, TomH David Pilling wrote: >> In message , Tom at >> Bulldog writes >>> Pasting a lot of text into Ovation Pro (Windows), I confidently >>> looked for the Widows & Orphans control. I couldn't find it - or >>> even any reference in the RiscOS or Windows manuals. >>> But I'm sure I've used it in OvPro in the past. >>> Have I been dreaming, or is there a button or an Applet I've been >>> missing? >> >> I think the best on offer is the "together" applet, alas there is no >> widows and orphans control. >> >> >> -- >> David Pilling >> email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk >> web: http://www.davidpilling.net >> post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 19 11:41:43 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSTKH-4HGknw-01-9XW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:41:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSTKH-4HGknw-01-9XW; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:09:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSTKH-4HGknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:09:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSTKG-0000nW-RD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:09:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C817C8C757; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:09:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DJdER0DhOhdr; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCEFBC8C755; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:08:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54F92C8C757 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:08:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T7SNfRmGYxgy for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail15.bluewin.ch (mail15.bluewin.ch [195.186.18.63]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0716C8C753 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [85.1.154.125] ([85.1.154.125:10294] helo=ACER.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch) by mail15.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTP id 12/46-23382-590F26A4; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:08:22 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro indexing question and searching for styles To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:08:08 +0200 Message-ID: <7c5f3f7d50.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090719-0, 07/19/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 1681 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nBpWRnwFLwgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=AMv53y8PdWYoV2iyAR0A:9 a=SJ8c4uKYR951WvLq9skA:7 a=uKCeWnozRbx4GMO--xqGaMI_rJsA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=Skpf-qo106oA:10 a=dUQxCn3HIs5yxQx9:21 a=EXz97fr4-gV4d7YN:21 In message Jim Nagel wrote: > andy.ling@quantel.com wrote on 17 Jul: >>> (2) >> Have you looked at the SRWE (Search & Replace With Effects) applet? >> This has the ability to do searching for styles. If you turn on >> the wildcard search you can probably find the words with spaces. > ahh, thanks, Andy. i HAD installed that applet ages ago but forgot > about it, not to mention not realizing it uses Sh^F4 rather than > ordinary F4 for search. so many new nooks&crannies for an OPro newbie > to get used to! applets' innards, unforch, are not in the OPro > manual's index! As Jim also wants to use the IdxPro applet the use of the SRWE leads=20 to a conflict. To avoid this I changed the final line in =A0 ......!OvnPro.Applets.!SRWE.Library.replace to read as follows: if (isdefmacro ("S_F4") =3D=3D -1) defmacro(1, "S_F4", "{srwe}", "") ; i.e. changing the two "CS_F4" to "S_F4". For some reason the SRWE applet takes priority over the CS_F4 key. [snip the rest] --=20 Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 19 13:26:43 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSVSq-0Adknw-03-FvT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:26:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSVSq-0Adknw-03-FvT; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:26:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSVSq-0Adknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:26:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSVSq-00054C-4I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:26:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 781C0C8AD62; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:25:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UOzSXSu-aTZK; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 214E5C8C5C7; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:25:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46157C8AD62 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:25:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZtNafLEJrRNa for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail13.bluewin.ch (mail13.bluewin.ch [195.186.18.62]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B66F6C8ACE6 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [85.1.154.125] ([85.1.154.125:10772] helo=ACER.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch) by mail13.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTP id 16/D4-15411-1B0136A4; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:25:22 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro indexing question and searching for styles To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:25:15 +0200 Message-ID: References: <26db407c50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <26db407c50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090719-0, 07/19/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 1682 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nBpWRnwFLwgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ipUBSMj_VQnqSsJj8toA:9 a=s3j2FBzQ0x2_EGBLSsIA:7 a=JNYFM_w2SOT0yTqKeTqGyBMY3wgA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=ftY92HZUw8ClKuou:21 a=Aj4mOogcLhsr4MDf:21 In message <26db407c50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> Jim Nagel wrote: > another question, still on this albatross book of mine. > someone who knows the subject matter has gone through the file and > highlighted words that are to appear in the index. we've used an OPro > style for this, called "index", which i think i'm correct in > understanding is what the Idxpro applet wants........ No. The applet does not want that style, you as User want it, to be able to see where your tagged words are. > .......... for the moment the style has a coloured background to make > it visible. > the coloured highlighting shows that my helper has sometimes included > a space before or after the tagged word or phrase. > (1) is this going to be a problem for Idxpro? (ie, is it going to > index "something", " something" and "something " separately or will it > recognize all three variants to be the same thing?) No. IdxPro automatically eliminates spaces at the beginning and at the end of the selected text. (When you click on "Add" in the IdxPro window the selected text is bookmarked and added to the program. Very easy.) > (2) how can i search in the document for instances of text in a given > style? (this would be useful to know, even if (1) is a non-problem.) Assuming you are searching a style (not an effect) how about giving that style a specific colour or bigger letter etc. Then it becomes clearly visible. > (3) alternatively, how can i search the DDL for begin-index-style > followed by space (or space followed by close-index-style)? > this would be straightforward for me in Impression DDF, but i can't > get my head round how to deal with those consarned quotemarks used > fore&aft of every (quasi)line of text in DDL. > (just to be clear, i have not actually used Idxpro yet. i think i > understand that it will use Bookmarks, and that these would be lost in > any DDL saved out. so that isnt an issue yet.) > i'd be overjoyed to job out the chore of generating the index. is > there anyone already familiar with using Idxpro who'd be interested in > taking it on as a commission? this would be after layout is > finalized. (tagging of words in text is already done, as i said.) Realize that the Index is not "live". The generated index is totally dependent of the layout at the time of creation. Any change in layout obliges you to recreate the index. A simple index is not that time consuming. It is only the 1st few entries that take time, till you understand how it works. Then it becomes routine (assuming a simple index). Try it with just 5 entries, then you'll understand better. -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 19 14:41:45 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSWZ1-43Cknw-02-EpI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:41:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSWZ1-43Cknw-02-EpI; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:36:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSWZ1-43Cknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:36:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSWZ1-0007kF-8I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:36:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6995C8C928; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:36:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4JcgrYdohzd4; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56D7AC8C63B; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:35:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E148C8C6C1 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:35:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qlpMJzdX3rIK for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 266D4C8C6BE for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090719133551.URRU5579.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:35:51 +0100 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20090719133550.TKM13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:35:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Page line up To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:31:14 +0100 Message-ID: <75f7517d50.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ud0jlebzjkfcgIRuupAA:9 a=r5NItMgSoWm6VPt7DwFKMcn-0JwA:4 X-archive-position: 1683 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Ud0jlebzjkfcgIRuupAA:9 a=--U_eLxTH0bt8YRbQ_YA:7 a=8sM2U4h9_LjzTotAlUD5-PpX95IA:4 I am using OPro on my PC. I do find the print on an A5 is slightly to the left. I can I reset it/ Thanks in anticipation Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 19 16:11:48 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSY0D-0DzGPo-07-DO6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:11:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSY0D-0DzGPo-07-DO6; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:08:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSY0D-0DzGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:08:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSY0C-0007SO-J5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:08:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F14E7C8BD08; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:08:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 830nsOyp+m6E; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FFE7C8BCEA; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:08:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6F62C89A9B for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:07:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lkgs7+SkI0Cc for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E33DC89A6F for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090719150757.WTFY6742.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:07:57 +0100 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20090719150757.EWUU21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:07:57 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Using Ovation with VA and Laser To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:04:03 +0100 Message-ID: <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jhDy3r_RaUIYISKD0ioA:9 a=RxeO6cS3KOWGfJCW8_-jKiUXkKcA:4 X-archive-position: 1684 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nVmFxa-C0TIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=jhDy3r_RaUIYISKD0ioA:9 a=M7sdo24X1CKuaFF6StUA:7 a=OM9_nY73Um-6tauBqbbpywLrpMQA:4 Hi I have a Samsung CLP550a which is a Duplex Laser. I am using VA from time to time using OPro with a Post Script 2 Driver and it works fine but when I try to duplex nothing happens although OPro is set OK. I guess it is because of not being in tune with Hostfs. Opro works fine in duplex mode on the PC side. Any ideas how I can do the same on VA. Here's hoping someone can help. Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 19 16:26:50 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSYBr-3oY000-04-DCS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:26:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSYBr-3oY000-04-DCS; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:20:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSYBr-3oY000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:20:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSYBq-0001Mq-FP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:20:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD633C8BD1B; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:20:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2f5gIB8+x+7S; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66200C8C92A; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:20:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82DD8C8BD1B for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:20:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ziLGunKt0xno for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CPSMTPM-EML106.kpnxchange.com (Cpsmtpm-eml106.kpnxchange.com [195.121.3.10]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31657C8BD16 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([81.204.75.73]) by CPSMTPM-EML106.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:20:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:19:58 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Using Ovation with VA and Laser Message-ID: <507d5bebfaPaul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2009 15:20:01.0646 (UTC) FILETIME=[629A38E0:01CA0884] X-archive-position: 1685 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vzVJ-GeqqHEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8lKPGLVHn9lpoWcDXN8A:9 a=O19-mMwwAJQMTeZNPhYA:7 a=I5sBQJFAY17WJuHUBap3IATmlNEA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 In article <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com>, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > Opro works fine in duplex mode on the PC side. Any ideas how I can do > the same on VA. As far as I know, duplex printing on RISC OS is a matter of choosing the proper feed in the printer driver. That's at least how I do it - using a slightly modified Postscript 2 printer driver. If you're interested, I could send you the modification by private mail. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 19 16:41:49 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSYTs-07Uknw-04-CuR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:41:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSYTs-07Uknw-04-CuR; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:39:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSYTs-07Uknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:39:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSYTr-0004Zm-TH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:39:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0ADF7C8BD7D; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:39:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id deyu5896ZMAP; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF559C8C8F9; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:38:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74F3AC8BD7D for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:38:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DQ0bET8fsKMk for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E3C0C8BB2D for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MSYTH-0003R4-Zt for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:38:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:36:58 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Page line up References: <75f7517d50.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <75f7517d50.alan@ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1686 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=g1Mk_QFdSd2NqJZSR44A:7 a=ExrNudfgJaGVwOuFt-MeqpFExx8A:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=RhqYkAdQL4urwlgO:21 a=eixMOk__aJ76WSNs:21 In message <75f7517d50.alan@ntlworld.com>, Dr Alan Leighton writes >I am using OPro on my PC. I do find the print on an A5 is slightly to >the left. I can I reset it/ On all versions of OP on all print formats you have the ability to change the print position - select "print setup", expanding the print window, and look at the X and Y values - note that these can only be set if you turn off 'centre', obviously with centre ticked OP works out X and Y. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 19 16:56:49 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSYZj-21tVbs-05-Coa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:56:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSYZj-21tVbs-05-Coa; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:45:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSYZj-21tVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:45:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSYZj-00039r-5G for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:45:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86AA6C8C90F; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:45:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5FeWtgY85Eix; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35204C8CA05; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:44:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B026C8C90F for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:44:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eFBQr0UtYnkv for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 185D7C8BDB6 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MSYZ7-0000ya-fj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:44:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:43:08 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Using Ovation with VA and Laser References: <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1687 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vzVJ-GeqqHEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yc4NxGh1MEjf7panApEA:9 a=nhgZsJHln4kDR1M7H-UA:7 a=4G4vhI_CznQhsVCDT6cxrPLwCZgA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=yz8F04k5JY337LJX:21 a=kcspnhzyeqvYq21Z:21 In message <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com>, Dr Alan Leighton writes >I have a Samsung CLP550a which is a Duplex Laser. I am using VA from >time to time using OPro with a Post Script 2 Driver and it works fine >but when I try to duplex nothing happens although OPro is set OK. I >guess it is because of not being in tune with Hostfs. Opro works fine >in duplex mode on the PC side. Any ideas how I can do the same on VA. The word "feed(s)" springs to mind. I could have sworn that Gavin Crawford had some nice way of handling them - ISTR they are bits of PostScript that you get the printer driver to include. You may also be able to use the printers control panel to put it into duplex mode. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 19 17:11:50 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSYpU-1IBknw-04-CYp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:11:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSYpU-1IBknw-04-CYp; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:01:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSYpU-1IBknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:01:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSYpT-0004gw-Vq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:01:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECBCDC8CA6E; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:01:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uUdSfrKpAsXd; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B30BC8C8E0; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:01:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C77F7C8BD68 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:01:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8QXQDHGeNi9q for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail11.bluewin.ch (mail11.bluewin.ch [195.186.18.61]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46088C8AF67 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [83.76.193.207] ([83.76.193.207:6423] helo=ACER.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch) by mail11.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTP id CD/EC-13035-A33436A4; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:00:58 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro chapter numbers and contents To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:56:31 +0200 Message-ID: <3c48547d50.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090719-0, 07/19/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 1688 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=FESVgtJwKngA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4xQJnyFEY3LXUunjzwkA:9 a=RvXDQGUf2gPXJ6N7baEA:7 a=z3jOAvHe6DtOdNgvateS8OjHsm8A:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=ENCnJD1cbb9qswRJ:21 a=WfkTMCD1qQ5Tpm0r:21 In message Jim Nagel wrote: > Roger Noble wrote on 16 Jul : >> Jim Nagel wrote: >>> also, i'm trying to use the Contents applet (Roger Noble, v2.23, 2003) >>> to give me a list of the captions used for illustrations in the book. >>> why does it insist in starting at page 70, ignoring the captions on >>> previous pages? >> It should only normally do that if you were using the "Do Contents >> from Cursor" button and the cursor happened to be on page 70. > thanks for the quick response, Roger! thinking i might have clicked > that button, i did the exercise again with the cursor on page 1 just > to be sure and used the main "Do contents" button. same result. > since my first post, i noticed that a caption on page 129 was not > picked up by !Contents. there might be others; i havent checked > systematically. > it could be a peculiarity about how i applied the Caption style. > pictures were already embedded in the main text. i started adding > captions beside the embedded pic on the same line, then changed my > mind and split captions off to a new paragraph. i'll try giving > Caption a background colour to see if it gives a clue. Two things: 1. The Contents applet seeks a certain style. Now if you have applied different styles to a certain (sub)(sub)Heading, which you intend to have in the Contents chapter (you do use a separate chapter for this don't you!) it might miss one if the following order of the applied styles is wrong. E.g. in a document I have special Headings but followed by text I need for the Contents page but not for the final print (non-print). If I get the order wrong the text meant for the Contents page might not be recognised. 2. The Contents chapter can take several pages. So do precise at which page number the 1st following chapter should start. Otherwise the page numbering starts after the *1st* page of the Contents chapter. The best way. Make the contents file, see at what page it ends, then precise the starting page number for the following paragraph, eventually after deciding if the following chapter should start left or right. The re-run the Contents applet. [snip the rest] -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 19 18:11:52 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSZux-3rH000-03-BTM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:11:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSZux-3rH000-03-BTM; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:11:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSZux-3rH000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:11:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSZuo-00071a-Rj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:11:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30965C8E54D; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:11:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mxRPcwOACES3; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCF51C8E57E; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:10:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E52D3C8E54D for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:10:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tGNmBA0dbwAJ for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC108C8E528 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090719171014.RJDH6611.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:10:14 +0100 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20090719171014.NTHT22934.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:10:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Using Ovation with VA and Laser To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:26:54 +0100 Message-ID: <4d8e5c7d50.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com> <507d5bebfaPaul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <507d5bebfaPaul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kpJzlNS0uBEA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=FQdkdJN6abzLpJ40zGkA:9 a=R2dREJMc8ADIzH_oXwIA:7 a=_c89mrfcYdJtm6hFgs21SbMc5ZgA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 X-archive-position: 1689 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vzVJ-GeqqHEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=FQdkdJN6abzLpJ40zGkA:9 a=LURLY7fsSO7SlRG6X5EA:7 a=72pfcxiCC-YRw8fOh4vqdXoh-oAA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 In message <507d5bebfaPaul@sprie.nl> Paul Sprangers wrote: > In article <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com>, > Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >> Opro works fine in duplex mode on the PC side. Any ideas how I can do >> the same on VA. > As far as I know, duplex printing on RISC OS is a matter of choosing the > proper feed in the printer driver. That's at least how I do it - using a > slightly modified Postscript 2 printer driver. If you're interested, I > could send you the modification by private mail. That would first class Paul, could you at the same time explain how to install it please, Many thanks Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 19 18:56:54 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSaRW-0DP000-01-Awn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:56:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSaRW-0DP000-01-Awn; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:44:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSaRW-0DP000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:44:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSaRW-0001yD-1q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:44:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C365C8C3EB; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:44:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 64pSUQKSWNWO; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CEE30C8C3DE; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:44:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43F86C8C362 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:44:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IQ+Ehfnm+G0t for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C54C1C8627E for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090719174422.SPXP6611.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:44:22 +0100 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20090719174421.GGXX21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:44:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Using Ovation with VA and Laser To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:40:29 +0100 Message-ID: <74c9687d50.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kpJzlNS0uBEA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=bx42fRFWQlqVwnPUrgwA:9 a=fWOOEQrR6a_8k-Tlk7ESpzVblo8A:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=5nQZChXsBOTyQV53:21 a=Fl4gGLpWuLFmpie0:21 X-archive-position: 1690 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vzVJ-GeqqHEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bx42fRFWQlqVwnPUrgwA:9 a=LDeOFXWsnyg1YkGuDZsA:7 a=wHnWPFdC_znm5gYTt9eGAAav1I4A:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=Sa-D4WoVnkK9Kkdl:21 a=RjufBiy38FiAxDR1:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com>, Dr Alan Leighton > writes >>I have a Samsung CLP550a which is a Duplex Laser. I am using VA from >>time to time using OPro with a Post Script 2 Driver and it works fine >>but when I try to duplex nothing happens although OPro is set OK. I >>guess it is because of not being in tune with Hostfs. Opro works fine >>in duplex mode on the PC side. Any ideas how I can do the same on VA. > The word "feed(s)" springs to mind. I could have sworn that Gavin > Crawford had some nice way of handling them - ISTR they are bits of > PostScript that you get the printer driver to include. > You may also be able to use the printers control panel to put it into > duplex mode. Where are you Gavin Crawford ? How does one use the printers control panel to put it into duplex mode when in VA?, by going into an Ovation document then file> print>set long edge, save?. Thanks David, Alan Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 19 18:56:54 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSaba-1Syknw-02-Amj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:56:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSaba-1Syknw-02-Amj; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:55:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSaba-1Syknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:55:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSabZ-0005tq-2B for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:55:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95655C831CD; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:55:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Da2i7dQV05l3; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BE08C86492; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:54:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE1A7C831CD for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:54:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CadGzHHBBVOl for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.13]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68884C8378F for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-18-83.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.18.83] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1MSaar-000JnX-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:54:37 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Using Ovation with VA and Laser To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:37:06 +0100 Message-ID: <287a687d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1691 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vzVJ-GeqqHEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ma5KgXHo-lAtRe72Qc0A:9 a=IFIPgzctbM-x0vz53HcA:7 a=b6F-U_JFi_Gc7HCOkeUVVNnbyuYA:4 'twould be useful, methinks, to have a slight update to the OPro manual to cover the Duplex concept, which seems to have been invented since the manual was written. Duplex not mentioned in index. p171 of the manual, for instance, talks about "All sides" and about "turn the paper over", which i think means turn the STACK of paper over and then print side B, whereas Duplex means print side A followed immediately by side B of EACH SHEET. am i correct that Duplex is achieved in OPro simply by printing all the pages in order: 1,2,3,4 etc? meaning that page 1 is backed by page 2, then page 3 by page 4, etc? or is there a further trick? (will be useful to know -- my new printer arrives tomorrow, my first one with duplex ability.) and what about duplex printing of a booklet? for a 16-page booklet we'd want pages 16-1 to be backed by 2-15, then 14-3 backed by 4-13 etc. what are the requisite settings in the OPro print dialogue? -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 19 19:26:54 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSaut-2ljknw-07-ATQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:26:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSaut-2ljknw-07-ATQ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:15:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSaut-2ljknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:15:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSaus-0001ab-QB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:15:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44B87C8C1A4; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:15:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TzjcZpNLddWa; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E560CC8C660; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:14:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13F00C8C1A4 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:14:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2mO7U+2S51WG for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.13]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CEEB1C8C148 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-18-83.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.18.83] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1MSauG-000PsE-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:14:41 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro indexing question and searching for styles To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:14:56 +0100 Message-ID: <9af06b7d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <7c5f3f7d50.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> In-Reply-To: <7c5f3f7d50.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1692 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nBpWRnwFLwgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fAGplvxjMecjLMnPpmQA:9 a=yPIiLx-e8ETLPx0TxAYA:7 a=HdPp7Hko0ILxEWimwa3x9DlI5UcA:4 a=HHd4sEcfqysUMF-s:21 a=EECQ9x20NG_wY0lO:21 Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote on 19 Jul: > As Jim also wants to use the IdxPro applet the use of the SRWE leads > to a conflict. To avoid this I changed the final line in > =A0 ......!OvnPro.Applets.!SRWE.Library.replace > to read as follows: > if (isdefmacro ("S_F4") =3D=3D -1) defmacro(1, "S_F4", "{srwe}", "") = ; > i.e. changing the two "CS_F4" to "S_F4". > For some reason the SRWE applet takes priority over the CS_F4 key. thanks for that. i'll change the requisite line, though i won't try=20 using Idxpro till the book's layout is final. a problem i notice with SRWE: i'm trying to find where a certain=20 style is used in the document, to be sure it's safe to delete it. =20 searching for "any string" in a that styl (ie, using the \* wildcard)=20 always causes an error: "Wildcard search text matches the null=20 string". so i search for "any character" (\.) in that style. this seems to=20 find stuff, but unfortunately if it has highlighted anything it's too=20 small an area for an ageing naked eye to spot. cannot see caret=20 anywhere. what am i doing wrong? eat more carrots? --=20 Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 19 19:41:55 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSb9d-3PPknw-02-AEg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; 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Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:29:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 942CAC8CA4B for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:29:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2ptVyEmtLLq3 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D970EC8C875 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090719182922.BMUX5579.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:29:22 +0100 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20090719182921.DVPI13254.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:29:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Page line up To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:25:04 +0100 Message-ID: <21de6c7d50.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <75f7517d50.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=sXVNiN9a6vIA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=aiPl3Y2XuRx2YmaeMYkA:9 a=SQcSLz68ZkgEdVvsOg64iTlt_w4A:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=VqgeMAyK1JfSxJWx:21 a=QmF75g-M-OK0FXEz:21 X-archive-position: 1693 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=aiPl3Y2XuRx2YmaeMYkA:9 a=xChtmEucQzI8BFeM4n0A:7 a=caJctn8_u-wjLln_DBAhnD3JwsUA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=xvPITrxqcsL6lCof:21 a=Axbd2agRaxJkczt4:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <75f7517d50.alan@ntlworld.com>, Dr Alan Leighton > writes >>I am using OPro on my PC. I do find the print on an A5 is slightly to >>the left. I can I reset it/ > On all versions of OP on all print formats you have the ability to > change the print position - select "print setup", expanding the print > window, and look at the X and Y values - note that these can only be set > if you turn off 'centre', obviously with centre ticked OP works out X > and Y. Gosh I am getting good, I followed you instructions, exploring a bit and bingo it worked!! Mega thanks Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 19 20:56:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MScUh-1zF000-04-8tc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:56:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MScUh-1zF000-04-8tc; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:56:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MScUh-1zF000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:56:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MScUh-0002Md-6o for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:56:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7A2FC8BB73; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:56:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aQd3T6fxwCDv; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59CFCC8C6D7; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:55:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72FB4C8BB73 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:55:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eyzSzgHQaTuQ for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AD87C8BB70 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MScU7-0004Lk-gx for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:55:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:54:14 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Using Ovation with VA and Laser References: <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com> <287a687d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <287a687d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1694 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vzVJ-GeqqHEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=327FkAPExWrUBhd4csIA:9 a=NTpEfZdM-xpzFzk7H5AA:7 a=S-Zbtw6w15ErHXBN4tXFJxiZc9sA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=Hc4SNv404hDnbWZf:21 a=DGkcxedwPRMcC9E-:21 In message <287a687d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel writes >'twould be useful, methinks, to have a slight update to the OPro >manual to cover the Duplex concept, which seems to have been invented >since the manual was written. Duplex not mentioned in index. Well... There's a wide range of things to cover, some people would like printing to pause whilst they re-insert pages. OP does have some duplex features like "tumble". However the nub of duplex printing is in the printer driver or the printer not the application. From the point of view of Ovation Pro you just print all the sheets in order, and the printer sticks half on the front and half on the back of the paper. So that's print "all" - that's including pamphlets. Things like left/right or front/back and reverse are for the benefit of people without duplex units. You can set your printer into duplex mode two ways, first from the printer driver, that's "feeds" bits of printer control language that get inserted into the print job. Second, if your printer has a control panel with buttons and so on, you can twiddle it into duplex mode. Your guarantee that duplex works, is that I've had a duplex unit for about 10 years and used it. I've no doubt other users have duplex too, but anything I want gets added quickly. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 19 21:11:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MScZG-2Fp000-04-8p3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:11:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MScZG-2Fp000-04-8p3; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:01:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MScZG-2Fp000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:01:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MScZF-0002i9-FO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:01:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE48FC8C8F6; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:01:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5iESoQQO9rvh; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92A3DC8BD6D; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:00:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFFAAC8C8F6 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:00:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ciSM55X5CEcm for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9DD1C8C8E9 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MScYf-0006t5-p0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:00:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:58:53 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Using Ovation with VA and Laser References: <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com> <287a687d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1695 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vzVJ-GeqqHEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=Va8WY4huuzeZC3FTUp4A:7 a=Hg9K32X_DfQGufvFkeInlK_VY4YA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=ecpQaYRRmUvsOC8M:21 a=5wYOzc4AsviYAS1S:21 In message , David Pilling writes >In message <287a687d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel > writes >>'twould be useful, methinks, to have a slight update to the OPro >>manual to cover the Duplex concept, which seems to have been invented >>since the manual was written. Duplex not mentioned in index. PS, duplex covered in Archive mag. these last 50 years? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 19 21:26:58 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSck7-4UKknw-05-8eC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:26:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSck7-4UKknw-05-8eC; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:12:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSck7-4UKknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:12:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSck3-0000lw-CF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:12:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 212F9C8CAEE; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:12:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nze8VVUpICaX; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD38FC8C9CB; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:11:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D715C8C985 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:11:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bcXsNVcQyw+D for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CPSMTPM-EML104.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpm-eml104.kpnxchange.com [195.121.3.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDF1CC8C672 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([81.204.75.73]) by CPSMTPM-EML104.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.0.6001.18000); Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:11:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:11:33 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Using Ovation with VA and Laser Message-ID: <507d769dcbPaul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <4d8e5c7d50.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com> <507d5bebfaPaul@sprie.nl> <4d8e5c7d50.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2009 20:11:35.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DED0F00:01CA08AD] X-archive-position: 1696 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vzVJ-GeqqHEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_tcy-IiLVQUxeTGGh-kA:9 a=Xji8XgDk8rq7AhNZnFgA:7 a=-Va5HjyV6HLQJsP7auVPZWLDvN8A:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 In article <4d8e5c7d50.alan@ntlworld.com>, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > > If you're interested, I could send you the modification by private > > mail. > That would first class Paul, could you at the same time explain how to > install it please, Paul Vigay wrote the modifications to the Postscript 2 driver, in order to access duplex printing from the printer driver. I've sent the archive, instructions included, by private mail. 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([195.137.110.177]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 20 Jul 2009 09:50:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:48:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro indexing question and searching for styles Message-ID: <507dbbe490briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <9af06b7d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <7c5f3f7d50.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> <9af06b7d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1697 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: briancarroll@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nBpWRnwFLwgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=jHTbvcAzLsJuSJlAKKEA:9 a=f6YqxyKI_0k-lWbVYNMA:7 a=DEoKVGFyaKYBf8WItJwfuL7XqcAA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=mRZjY_CfrT763w8h:21 a=WPEn3PL2xFgXI4zU:21 In article <9af06b7d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel wrote: [Snip] > so i search for "any character" (\.) in that style. this > seems to find stuff, but unfortunately if it has highlighted > anything it's too small an area for an ageing naked eye to > spot. cannot see caret anywhere. > what am i doing wrong? eat more carrots? Use !Flasher, a tiny application that flashes the caret, and also can sweep the caret to its current position when the iconbar icon is clicked. This has been around since the Archimedes (my copy is v1.06 dated 15 Sep 94) so you may already have it tucked away somewhere. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, N Yorks, UK briancarroll at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 20 11:56:06 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSqNP-2dM000-06-C3w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:56:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSqNP-2dM000-06-C3w; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:45:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSqNP-2dM000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:45:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSqNP-00001G-AF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:45:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1665C8E52B; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:45:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ee0N9SIamHaj; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C0C7C8E502; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:45:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39587C8E529 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:45:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VAGa-mOAoM9O for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02757C8E526 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MSqMn-00035W-YF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:45:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:44:02 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro indexing question and searching for styles References: <7c5f3f7d50.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> <9af06b7d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <507dbbe490briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <507dbbe490briancarroll@f2s.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1698 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nBpWRnwFLwgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ka-x4lBJAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=ve30OFiRUdXQK7NyFVcA:7 a=GgDW6Hp3HkynGXt3247iZDaNUs8A:4 a=kLgHpDIjQkwA:10 a=ww7AjW7wwJE45DXB:21 a=n9quNpxOgOiSc7sE:21 In message <507dbbe490briancarroll@f2s.com>, Brian Carroll writes >Use !Flasher, a tiny application that flashes the caret, and also Or OP choices -> View -> flashing caret -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 20 12:11:07 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSqc5-4cU000-02-BpG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:11:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSqc5-4cU000-02-BpG; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:00:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSqc5-4cU000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:00:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSqc5-0005nA-46 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:00:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B5D7C8F834; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:00:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QJtcxctNJuL4; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A260C904A1; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:00:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E5CFC8F834 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:00:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9+AyZJDz5x4X for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 563FCC8F82C for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-18-83.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.18.83] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1MSqbT-000Kek-J4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:00:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro indexing question and searching for styles To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:02:22 +0100 Message-ID: <382cc87d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <7c5f3f7d50.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> <9af06b7d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <507dbbe490briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1699 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nBpWRnwFLwgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=ka-x4lBJAAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=HjG-TyrrQk41SEz1MbwA:9 a=ywPLqZLdi7JVIgOZNvgA:7 a=9T5OW76Xmfgpw09jpbt-3f5C-agA:4 a=kLgHpDIjQkwA:10 David Pilling wrote on 20 Jul: > In message <507dbbe490briancarroll@f2s.com>, Brian Carroll > writes >>Use !Flasher, a tiny application that flashes the caret, and also > Or OP choices -> View -> flashing caret already had that choice chosen! have asked Brian to email me a copy of !Flasher. will report. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 20 13:56:11 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSsH4-1pwknw-04-AAH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:56:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSsH4-1pwknw-04-AAH; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:47:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSsH4-1pwknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:47:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSsH4-00062y-6H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:47:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F522C8D127; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:47:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6w-NjxjiGjOg; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41DBCC90611; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:46:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B820C8D127 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:46:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A+iwWewUetT0 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.14]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30494C8CF07 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-18-83.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.18.83] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1MSsGS-000HKK-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:46:44 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OPro master pages and DDL import To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:48:41 +0100 Message-ID: <16e8d17d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1700 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=y-NINcuIrpkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=smgRO5JJnI5X8JbT6RAA:9 a=thSdsAi09kYQt9pP9c0A:7 a=Qt38Z4f1Qu7ByTm8UuaEyT_d1KwA:4 a=u0cpKZHqSO5G2DzX:21 a=S_wocnq4ofxg4vV8:21 right. me again. sorry to try everybody's patience yet again, but i=20 do appreciate being able to draw upon the collective experience -- it=20 gets lonely working as a one-man show without the buzz of an office=20 around, where there would be colleagues to ask. (though, from=20 experience, my questions are too arcane and draw only blank looks.) on the advice of David Pilling and couple of others here, i am=20 exporting my albatross book as DDL, intending to re-import it to a new=20 document, in the hope that the process will tidy up certain oddities. the book has 12 OPro chapters, containing a total of around 300 pages=20 and lots of pictures embedded in the text. in the new document i have defined a master page. it is "demy" size=20 rather than the A5 of the old document, and i have defined headers and=20 footers using the OPro system rather than as the previous separate=20 frames. plus i did left-and-right master pages rather than the=20 previous single. (demy, by the way, is a traditional book format,=20 216=D7138mm, which is slightly taller and slightly narrower than A5.) i was hoping that when i import the DDL file this =FCbermaster page will = be replicated 12 times to serve all chapters. so i saved out the old document as DDL: 8 megabytes. dropping this DDL file into the blank frame of the open new=20 document produces a bit of disk activity and ... nothing. dropping this DDL file onto OPro on the iconbar produces ... a new=20 document that looks exactly like my old document, in A5 format. so i saved out each chapter of the old document as separate DDL filea. drop the first of these into the blank frame of the new document,=20 then create a new chapter based on it, drop the next DDL into it, etc=20 -- seemed to work well ... until ... i get to the big chapters=20 containing all the embedded pictures. each of these gives an error:=20 "Unknown object at 235" (different figure for each file). so what's the correct path to follow? any advice, please? i was hoping not to have to twiddle 12 separate master pages, which=20 are, after all, meant to be the same format for the whole book. --=20 >>> no need to reply my entire message back to me ;=3D] Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd (01458) 83 3603 Glastonbury BA6 9JG pocket 0797 415 3861 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 20 17:23:56 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSsdM-3YS000-06-9nz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:23:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSsdM-3YS000-06-9nz; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:10:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSsdM-3YS000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:10:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSsdL-0001BA-BW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:10:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5C01C9056D; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:10:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ded0pdcTe77y; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5F44C905ED; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:09:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DDF3C9056D for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:09:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uG9iIBV1mTCY for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F5ACC9052D for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MSsck-0007FC-jX for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:09:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:09:02 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro master pages and DDL import References: <16e8d17d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <16e8d17d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1701 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iT6SuNpPdecA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=x1ii-aM7wsV2uDPb8GkA:9 a=JEsfWfQySRZKu8pZBq0A:7 a=XHLqJZglJb318RxOuswKshha3AwA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=PrzYNLOnC2VWhRJ8:21 a=O3TpWHpBelrfYQxb:21 In message <16e8d17d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel writes You can save the entire document as DDL - in that case it is the entire document and all that you can do is reload it, and bugs apart get something identical to what you set off with. There is nothing about this that would suggest you could start dropping it into another document and getting arbitrary things to change. Or you can save text stories as DDL - in that case you're going to lose everything except the text and styles/effects, but you should be able to reload them into another document with different frames etc. The game you could play is to save the whole document as DDL, edit the DDL in a text editor (work out where the master page size is) and then reload. I'll grant you that sometimes the system of different master pages for different chapters is not as easy as it could be. Like so much it was designed with good intentions. However once you're used to Impression it doesn't look particularly friendly. I did once work out how to change to having the same master page for more than one chapter, but like so much else this is unlikely to ever be done. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 20 17:24:01 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSuQJ-4FmVbs-01-GXY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:24:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSuQJ-4FmVbs-01-GXY; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:05:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSuQJ-4FmVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:05:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSuQI-0001Hy-2i for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:05:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE04BC908C1; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:05:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uCXoLp5D0pOS; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73CF3C908D7; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:04:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93647C908C1 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:04:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZRy0Jf5r9LKl for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52E11C90873 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-18-83.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.18.83] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1MSuPc-0002Qj-LL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:04:20 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro master pages and DDL import To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:06:21 +0100 Message-ID: References: <16e8d17d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1702 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iT6SuNpPdecA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=88I2j5rZuSJQYidkz4sA:9 a=GczPKaKTHYORV-fRJ8IA:7 a=P-rCR0LnXFC_PbAVFRw9bsjSfBYA:4 a=lLsAFAZwMy0A:10 David Pilling wrote on 20 Jul: > Or you can save text stories as DDL - in that case you're going to lose > everything except the text and styles/effects, but you should be able to > reload them into another document with different frames etc. i tried this tack: saved the whole document as DDL. dropped that onto iconbar and got a new document that looks like old one, except (we hope) that certain tangles might be tidied. then, from new document, saved one of the big chapters as DDL. dropped that into a waiting blank chapter in my formatted-as-Demy document. result: "Unknown object at 235" -- what's that mean? i'll now 'vestigate editing the master page within the DDL, as you suggest might be possible. will i simply need to delete the masterpage info, or will i need to put the new masterpage info in its place? -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 20 17:24:01 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSukh-0Kwknw-06-GDA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:24:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSukh-0Kwknw-06-GDA; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:26:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSukh-0Kwknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:26:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSukd-0000tp-La for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:26:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04AA2C8F667; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:25:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GwcRgEkr9CVc; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBB82C8F602; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:25:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1AF8C8E801 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:25:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DsgqnWozg8nD for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C27F8C8E58E for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 11:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (88-134-174-121-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.174.121]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKt72-1MSujj2Z8i-0009Z2; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:25:08 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro master pages and DDL import To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:26:24 +0200 Message-ID: References: <16e8d17d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/JZadVVA1huXyR19C3Iiuxn4SLjEeqP8oJp6Q PVyejEbSRHoaUEJ80RP0qtEbkkiACo91uzqymX50UTvJ2dlaxD NOXGl3riinqHWnx/5WxKw== X-archive-position: 1703 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iT6SuNpPdecA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=6wkpFvjlnaEV7GJDn8AA:9 a=wKrx-4rIKsEHR3nDVeMA:7 a=Z07psCMDHkWHSe6hc3VxQP_qYuAA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=_u2_c-k47-C9fvVg:21 a=iZ7mVZOE7oZlyXuQ:21 In message Jim Nagel wrote: > David Pilling wrote on 20 Jul: >> Or you can save text stories as DDL - in that case you're going to lose >> everything except the text and styles/effects, but you should be able to >> reload them into another document with different frames etc. > i tried this tack: saved the whole document as DDL. dropped that > onto iconbar and got a new document that looks like old one, except > (we hope) that certain tangles might be tidied. then, from new > document, saved one of the big chapters as DDL. dropped that into a > waiting blank chapter in my formatted-as-Demy document. result: > "Unknown object at 235" -- what's that mean? As far as I can see saving a story as DDL is buggy. Even a toy example with two text lines and a tiny embedded sprite frame produces invalid DDL, which OP refuses to read back with an "Unknown object" error. The picture frame references a named background colour that is not defined in the file. If I edit the file to define the colour then loading the edited file causes a Type5 error in OP. So, as far as I can see saving a story as DDL is not really usable if you have any graphics in your file. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 20 17:24:04 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSvP0-14zVbs-07-FYr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:24:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSvP0-14zVbs-07-FYr; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:07:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSvP0-14zVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:07:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSvOq-0003H3-9f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:07:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9EA7C908B6; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:07:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ckg3ar0Kt8e8; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEE39C90931; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:06:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 530CCC908BE for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:06:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q46aimrYIu+L for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3445C908B4 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-18-83.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.18.83] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1MSvO8-0001y6-H1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:06:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro master pages and DDL import To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:00:42 +0100 Message-ID: <987ce37d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <16e8d17d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1704 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iT6SuNpPdecA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=PXV062N9Xdfq7bfpOQkA:9 a=7d7VYv-d_ToWCUHtNjAA:7 a=m2LCUcanCS0vDWs0q-GwLGgXBRsA:4 a=S2bJP5I9u17yflUs:21 a=NxZ2a1QSK2n7clit:21 Martin Wuerthner wrote on 20 Jul : > ... as far as I can see saving a story as DDL is not really usable if > you have any graphics in your file. as an alternative to saving DDL of one story (which in my case is the same as one chapter), i tried simply using the clipboard: copy the story and paste it into the new Demy document. that seems promising. text and embedded pix have appeared in the new document. until i scroll to the end of the text and find it has stopped short. just short of a 450K JPeg, as it happens -- is that relevant? (as DDL, that story measures 3.2Mb in total, including its embedded pix.) i could, if nec in light of Martin's message, delete all the pictures, do the DDL business, then place the pix again. would be tedious, but at least every pic has a caption (as a paragraph in the text) to mark its position. of course i could cut&paste via clipboard in sections. but can i be confident that chunks aren't missing? -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 20 17:38:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSvn8-42zknw-05-FAj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:38:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSvn8-42zknw-05-FAj; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:32:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSvn8-42zknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:32:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSvn7-00028z-GU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:32:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF8B8C8F396; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:32:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 89wCNGbMr27B; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 970A7C9053D; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:32:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D42EDC8F396 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:32:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AWG+fAb999Nf for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9752BC90532 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MSvmU-00044g-iV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:32:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:30:32 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro master pages and DDL import References: <16e8d17d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <987ce37d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <987ce37d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1705 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iT6SuNpPdecA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=F6bYaf_c8K_7x6_bUCsA:9 a=VRrySeI2b5-2-XzGH_YA:7 a=HnS6Fj9pfNSscXuLGKiVzio8z80A:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=d629suqGeZDsrxMy:21 a=fO_6lTiNuvvSk-bt:21 In message <987ce37d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel writes >Martin Wuerthner wrote on 20 Jul : >> ... as far as I can see saving a story as DDL is not really usable if >> you have any graphics in your file. >as an alternative to saving DDL of one story (which in my case is the >same as one chapter), i tried simply using the clipboard: copy the >story and paste it into the new Demy document. Yes copy and paste all the story via the clipboard, that's a good idea. I admit I'm not surprised that some text stories don't work as DDL - probably ones with embedded graphics. >that seems promising. text and embedded pix have appeared in the new >document. until i scroll to the end of the text and find it has >stopped short. just short of a 450K JPeg, as it happens -- is that >relevant? That is surprising. I've no thoughts that stories won't copy via the clipboard. If you've got an example of this I'd be interested to see it. Of course by now it would be easier to change the size of the master pages, that's the way this problem was first presented. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 20 17:53:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSw4h-1XbVbs-05-EtA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:53:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSw4h-1XbVbs-05-EtA; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:50:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSw4h-1XbVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:50:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSw4d-0006CH-0P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:50:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D2CFC90A59; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:50:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sQCNp4X0TafX; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42DAEC90B7B; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:50:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A970CC90A59 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:50:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OCLQI+v5CvG2 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63814C90AFD for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MSw3w-0007cG-IJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:50:04 +0100 Received: from [82.36.140.97] (helo=x1-6-00-09-95-00-10-ba.) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MSw3v-000209-VF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:50:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ron. Briscoe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:40:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro indexing question and searching for styles Message-ID: <507de728f5ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <382cc87d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <7c5f3f7d50.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> <9af06b7d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <507dbbe490briancarroll@f2s.com> <382cc87d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1706 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nBpWRnwFLwgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=1GtuvM60KTYUdEvRYGAA:9 a=44qEc1QPyVZc6Kfgnc4A:7 a=NkvsXrHBzscobWzsjVFTIPW0Qk0A:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=zbjqQxFCCNMlSXpf:21 a=v-Sp6ehDtSm_zdzv:21 In article <382cc87d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel wrote: > >>Use !Flasher, a tiny application that flashes the caret, and also > > Or OP choices -> View -> flashing caret > already had that choice chosen! > have asked Brian to email me a copy of !Flasher. will report. If !Flasher v106 works, then you might like to try v107. (2nd Apr 03.) Regards Ron. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 20 20:39:03 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSyhK-0X0GPo-03-CGX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:39:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSyhK-0X0GPo-03-CGX; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:38:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSyhK-0X0GPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:38:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSyhC-0006z5-K5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:38:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21EC4C911D3; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:39:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qKjoOIm5bbU5; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DBB43C90C03; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:39:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC8B7C911D3 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:39:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gB1Vqu9n-CY3 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89E7FC90C03 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.168.123.1 (88-202-193-200.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.193.200]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id n6KIdC3V024922 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:39:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mijas) To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:36:57 +0100 X-Organization: Orpheusmail, but does not necessarily reflect its views. 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Micheldever ___________________/ SO21 3DG Tel: 01962 774 352 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 20 21:09:04 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSyxv-2AIGPo-06-Bzw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:09:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSyxv-2AIGPo-06-Bzw; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:56:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSyxv-2AIGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:56:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSyxp-0001ZR-JU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:56:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC3F0C90C7C; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:12:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F+E6S42mEV20; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F6C7C916CC; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:12:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7952C90C7C for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:12:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6v5AtAI3olgr for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.opal-solutions.com (smtp03.opal-solutions.com [195.74.130.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E138CC913B6 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (websrv.quantel.com [195.12.20.34]) by smtp03.opal-solutions.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203C84B90 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:13:25 +0100 (BST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro indexing question and searching for styles MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:01:16 +0100 Message-ID: Content-type: multipart/alternative; Boundary="0__=0FBBFF6ADFFBFAC38f9e8a93df938690918c0FBBFF6ADFFBFAC3" Content-Disposition: inline X-archive-position: 1708 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nBpWRnwFLwgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dMYoqW6t_bvJ-4UC3tgA:9 a=s45-M44qBgk5iEp047YLZmgB9GIA:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=B8aud_dtRfCs8BDZe7AcK7j426oA:4 --0__=0FBBFF6ADFFBFAC38f9e8a93df938690918c0FBBFF6ADFFBFAC3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable -----davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org wrote: ----- >a=A0problem=A0i=A0notice=A0with=A0SRWE:=A0=A0I'm=A0trying=A0to=A0find=A0= where=A0a=A0certain >style=A0is=A0used=A0in=A0the=A0document,=A0to=A0be=A0sure=A0it's=A0saf= e=A0to=A0delete=A0it. >searching for "any string" in a that styl (ie, using the \* wildcard) > >always=A0causes=A0an=A0error:=A0=A0"Wildcard=A0search=A0text=A0matches= =A0the=A0null >string". > I seem to remember there were similar problems when running the applet on OProW a while ago. I made some changes then and I think people were happy. The trouble is, those changes never made it back into the RiscOS version. There are now two further problems. Currently I am in the US for work so can't do anything for the next week or two. And then more of a problem is that I haven't switched on my RiscPC for several years, so I don't know if I can test anything. If you're feeling brave, I have a suspicion the app files are compatibl= e between windows and RiscOS. So you could try taking the one from the windows version and trying it on RiscOS. The file you want is replace.csc in the Library directory. If you can't find the file, let me know, I think I can send you a copy from my email archive. Andy Ling= --0__=0FBBFF6ADFFBFAC38f9e8a93df938690918c0FBBFF6ADFFBFAC3 Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

-----davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org wrote: -----
>a=A0problem=A0i=A0notice=A0with=A0SRWE:=A0=A0I'm=A0trying=A0= to=A0find=A0where=A0a=A0certain
>style=A0is=A0used=A0in=A0the=A0document,=A0to=A0be=A0sure=A0= it's=A0safe=A0to=A0delete=A0it.
>searching for "any string" in a that styl (ie, u= sing the \* wildcard)
>
>always=A0causes=A0an=A0error:=A0=A0"Wildcard=A0search= =A0text=A0matches=A0the=A0null
>string".
>

I seem to remember there were similar problems when running the
= applet on OProW a while ago.

I made some changes then and I think people were happy. The trouble=
is, those changes never made it back into the RiscOS version.<= br>
There are now two further problems. Currently I am in the US for work so can't do anything for the next week or two. And then more of a problem is that I haven't switched on my RiscPC for<= br> several years, so I don't know if I can test anything.

If you're feeling brave, I have a suspicion the app files are compa= tible
between windows and RiscOS. So you could try taking the one from the windows version and trying it on RiscOS. The
file you want is replace.csc in the Library directory.

If you can't find the file, let me know, I think I can send you a copy from my email archive.

Andy Ling= --0__=0FBBFF6ADFFBFAC38f9e8a93df938690918c0FBBFF6ADFFBFAC3-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 20 21:09:05 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSyyG-23RGPo-03-Bzb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:09:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSyyG-23RGPo-03-Bzb; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:56:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSyyG-23RGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:56:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSyyA-0004Rv-Da for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:56:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B0A3C90BA8; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:15:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KUU46L1n9Sk6; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D259BC92181; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E613C90BA8 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2vn-LJqC2-x3 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A528DC92139 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:12:43 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,235,1246834800"; d="scan'208";a="112942520" Received: from unknown (HELO PC-Ubuntu) ([82.152.145.38]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 20 Jul 2009 20:12:37 +0100 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:12:36 +0100 From: Martin Devon Subject: [softwarelist] problem with holding format during copy/paste To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: (from flist@pilling.demon.co.uk on Sun Jul 19 16:43:08 2009) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.3.25 Message-Id: <1248117157.5495.0@PC-Ubuntu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1709 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=h4a_9vF-rVgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=mYlI7p7rvH08DVXKycoA:9 a=nvzLDQ4o2Kj--25xxJQA:7 a=6BvPwzL2Xk0_mMXIS90OqSIXpBMA:4 Hi I may found a possible inconsistency in behaviour, or perhaps this is=20 as intended? My wife, who uses OPro mostly, says she doesn't think this=20 happened several revisions back. Make a text frame and set the indent to say 10mm and first line indent=20 -10mm. Enter a couple of bullet point paragraphs so the bullets are at the=20 left margin and all text is inset 10mm. 1. Select and copy the whole frame and paste it back - all is well, the=20 second frame is an exact copy. 2. Make another, empty, text frame. Select all the text in the first frame and drag and drop to the=20 new frame - all is well again; the text is formatted. 3. Make another empty text frame. This time select all the text and copy to the clipboard, then paste=20 into the empty frame. The indent setup seems to be lost. Martin --=20 Martin R Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wiltshire, UK RISC OS in the timber-frame housing industry To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 20 21:54:05 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MSzmd-4g8knw-04-BBE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:54:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MSzmd-4g8knw-04-BBE; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:48:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MSzmd-4g8knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:48:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MSzmR-0003vQ-R7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:48:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B8F7C91C0E; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:48:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hFKIMKLlQLlV; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CFCFC91BC0; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:47:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E918DC90CCB for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:47:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pKISuPudEVMP for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F048DC907EC for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-18-83.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.18.83] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1MSzlh-000Lgl-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:47:29 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro master pages and DDL import To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:49:07 +0100 Message-ID: <31e4fd7d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <16e8d17d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <987ce37d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1710 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iT6SuNpPdecA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fGtwbzyu50IkSD0gv2gA:9 a=sTT0pWYbJpTFcJ10kE4A:7 a=Pme3PYWMPUF09SfmUxEYGc8J84gA:4 a=AjudRdLkfJKetaDR:21 a=M1td-K-pbfpAXeZ7:21 David Pilling wrote on 20 Jul: >> ... text and embedded pix have appeared in the new document. until i >> scroll to the end of the text and find it has stopped short. just >> short of a 450K JPeg, as it happens -- is that relevant? > That is surprising. I've no thoughts that stories won't copy via the > clipboard. If you've got an example of this I'd be interested to see it= . sorry if i caused panick! turns out to be simply that the embedded=20 pic where the pasting stopped short was full width of the frame in the=20 old A5 document, hence too wide to fit the narrower frames in the new=20 Demy document i'm pasting into. i made it narrower in the old doc,=20 tried again, and problem vanishes. > Of course by now it would be easier to change the size of the master > pages, that's the way this problem was first presented. yes, i started by setting up a new master page (just one!) in the new=20 Demy document, then did "new chapter" as often as nec'y, each time=20 basing the new chapter on the previous one. so this copy&paste route, one chapter at a time, seems a good=20 workaround to achieve an "=FCbermaster page", whereas the DDL route for=20 separate stories faltered at embedded pictures and entire-document DDL=20 brought the unwanted old masterpages with it. (further footnote i found about the Demy book format, by the way: =20 converting 216=D7138mm to inches comes to 8.5=D75.43 -- in other words, i= t=20 seems to be near-nuff US letter paper (8=BD=D711) folded in half. this i= s=20 the size recommended my my particular printer for this book, since it=20 fits most efficiently on his press. perhaps other printers have=20 slightly different mm-measurements that they call Demy; i dunno.) --=20 Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 20 22:09:06 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MT00m-19vVbs-04-Ax5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:09:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MT00m-19vVbs-04-Ax5; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:03:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MT00m-19vVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:03:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MT00i-0004Ct-Bh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:03:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1972DC9344C; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:02:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zRRfSjnl0cLL; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD157C9345C; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:02:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B63B1C8BE05 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:02:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MUIw7rub1oLA for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EE38C9049A for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MSzzm-0005tK-fs for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:02:03 +0000 Message-ID: <7NZk6oC3rNZKFwt2@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:00:39 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro master pages and DDL import References: <16e8d17d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <987ce37d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <31e4fd7d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <31e4fd7d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1711 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=iT6SuNpPdecA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=S8qPj7-s_izNW4z6DkEA:7 a=bnu8linVaDcM3O5PIcT8gcfyvBUA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=NSv_wQv0iyll6hz3:21 a=FIzO3SMXeiMbBrJ0:21 In message <31e4fd7d50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel writes >yes, i started by setting up a new master page (just one!) in the new >Demy document, then did "new chapter" as often as nec'y, each time >basing the new chapter on the previous one. I gather that the master page is complicated - just changing the size of the main frame would not be much work. You can copy frames between master pages - however gets very tricky if you start deleting and then creating main frames (i.e. auto linked frames). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 20 22:09:06 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MT05a-1YTVbs-04-AsH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:09:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MT05a-1YTVbs-04-AsH; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:08:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MT05a-1YTVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:08:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MT05a-00036f-9h for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:08:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF325C8E640; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:08:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Oqrp01FdEQye; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BD40C9326C; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:07:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2674C8E640 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:07:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KJKimRNarqZr for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 688F1C8CB48 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MT050-0007U7-fO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:07:26 +0000 Message-ID: <6tLkSAD9wNZKFwPT@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:06:05 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: problem with holding format during copy/paste References: <1248117157.5495.0@PC-Ubuntu> In-Reply-To: <1248117157.5495.0@PC-Ubuntu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1712 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zh_NyGtQ804A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=POhHXwP5AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-3AkMJhTjKM9moSjzDIA:9 a=x2x3hs2ck50DMQLe7aYA:7 a=F5HHP_K0URv1W-zqIiTfIP449qgA:4 a=HfCW604XqwUd6J-B:21 a=jDIjOzUtNb7uQTv7:21 In message <1248117157.5495.0@PC-Ubuntu>, Martin Devon writes >as intended? My wife, who uses OPro mostly, says she doesn't think this >happened several revisions back. Is this on Windows or RISC OS - which version are you using? >3. Make another empty text frame. >This time select all the text and copy to the clipboard, then paste >into the empty frame. The indent setup seems to be lost. Step 3 is a different operation to the others - are the other steps necessary or will it go wrong if you start with step 3, I would suggest looking at the clipboard and seeing if the text is formatted there. I presume the indents are done as text effects rather than as styles, anyway that's how I did them and things worked as one would want, formatting in step 3 was the same as in the other steps. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 20 22:39:07 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MT0WY-2Mhknw-07-ARJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:39:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MT0WY-2Mhknw-07-ARJ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:35:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MT0WY-2Mhknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:35:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MT0WY-0003MK-6J for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:35:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FFF2C917E8; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:35:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8isAhNmBXMCp; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62D86C916FC; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:35:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39AE5C917E8 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:35:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1GvX0YLNdcVw for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DAAD8C917D6 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-18-83.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.18.83] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1MT0Vw-0005DS-OU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:35:17 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] disentangling threads To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:17:53 +0100 Message-ID: <8686007e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1713 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=KxhP6__or6VYaM3TfdgA:9 a=sJSERvkyCJ7CnEoamXAA:7 a=VznKAbsQOTl-h4mH9btWqIKyLcoA:4 a couple of people today have started a new topic by replying to some old message at random, and simply changing the subject line. (better practice would have been to send a New message to the list.) for people using a proper threaded newsreader, the unintended result is that the new topic buries itself in the middle of an unrelated thread. the cure is simple, at least in the Messenger Pro newsreader: - open the offending message (ie, the first one in what should be a new thread). - press F8, which loads it and all its headers into your text editor. - find the "In-reply-to" header and disable it. typing "//" at the beginning of the line will do the job. save and close. - when you refresh the newsgroup index, a separate new thread appears. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 21 11:39:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MT1NN-176Vbs-02-9aU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:39:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MT1NN-176Vbs-02-9aU; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:30:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MT1NN-176Vbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:30:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MT1NN-0007c5-B2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:30:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 697B8C8FD81; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:29:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yRz0BYwbNGQK; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19F76C907EE; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:28:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9F65C8FD81 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:28:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QeLzA-DuX+iJ for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A95FFC90D58 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 18:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MT1LD-0002od-C2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:28:15 +0100 Received: from [77.103.43.79] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1MT1LC-0007FW-Ix for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:28:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:28:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: disentangling threads Message-ID: <507e06f1c9john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <8686007e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <8686007e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1714 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=4IMUC5RjKk0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=5JhhAp52AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sw2oUCwzugvHeQ4PIIoA:9 a=SDWsLX93LiJlEBnvEtIA:7 a=K4osMBNBii6AjmbP6jhTsdfcU1sA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=5INdtgbf61pMOkKB:21 a=NZjxZBxJhilNSzTm:21 In article <8686007e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel wrote: > a couple of people today have started a new topic by replying to some > old message at random, and simply changing the subject line. (better > practice would have been to send a New message to the list.) [snip] Yes, this is an old problem, and not easy for everyone to grasp. In Pluto (for the list readers' information) it is easy to "unlink" such a thread from the article that should be the start of the new thread, and it takes care of it from then on. This is something that could perhaps be usefully added to Messenger Pro one day, and would no doubt be worth suggesting to RComp... -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 21 11:39:59 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MT2uM-1tMGPo-06-Ga1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:39:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MT2uM-1tMGPo-06-Ga1; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:08:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MT2uM-1tMGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:08:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MT2uL-0007HW-PT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:08:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41B41C930F4; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:08:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id twXcW0BVwvR3; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 134E1C93134; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:08:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65A1DC930F4 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:08:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8CcqDNjj1Exv for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.adsl24.co.uk (pluto.adsl24.co.uk [84.234.17.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C435C930F0 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [78.32.69.229] (helo=Iyonix) by pluto.adsl24.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MT2tj-0001qi-Dv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:07:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Multiple subscriptions To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:05:13 +0100 Message-ID: <65d80f7e50.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> References: <2455033.1936579-mijas@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2455033.1936579-mijas@orpheusmail.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - pluto.adsl24.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianhowlett.me.uk X-archive-position: 1715 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=d4tO3RLuja5YGcHyI3kA:9 a=ofay_tC4V4QFH37XyAsA:7 a=pY6ZQ-ctJvaj4pTs3NRg3soH11AA:4 On 20 Jul, Mijas wrote: > I am having difficulty with multiple subscriptions resulting in > getting three copies of each list item. > Can anyone tell me how to deal with this. Go to http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling and unsubscribe there. Or maybe let David know and he'll do it for you. -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------------------- You possess a mind not only twisted, but actually sprained... To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 21 11:40:04 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MT9EK-1bk000-07-AG3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:40:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MT9EK-1bk000-07-AG3; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:53:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MT9EK-1bk000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:53:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MT9EJ-0006KK-PO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:53:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33E3AC93A3A; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:53:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3zi14DYYRz1X; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99537C93901; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:53:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8D48C93A2D for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:53:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bF1C6oSLmka6 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FB5BC93A02 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:53:04 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,239,1246834800"; d="scan'208";a="113035301" Received: from unknown (HELO PC-Ubuntu) ([82.152.145.38]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2009 07:53:03 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:53:03 +0100 From: Martin Devon Subject: [softwarelist] Re: problem with holding format during copy/paste To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: <6tLkSAD9wNZKFwPT@pilling.demon.co.uk> (from flist@pilling.demon.co.uk on Mon Jul 20 22:06:05 2009) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.3.25 Message-Id: <1248159183.3880.1@PC-Ubuntu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1716 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=F1qB-77kZnoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=POhHXwP5AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yCkvfG07_uIuiopE8IAA:9 a=XcIap4tFDwFkFTXsYGkA:7 a=y4hYIpWNKU9cJxVbI6nH4_JZZoAA:4 a=eSP88OT6kVXTV1qr:21 a=OPREl2dxR5xKSJJ-:21 On 20/07/09 22:06:05, David Pilling wrote: > In message <1248117157.5495.0@PC-Ubuntu>, Martin Devon=20 > writes > >as intended? My wife, who uses OPro mostly, says she doesn't think > this > >happened several revisions back. >=20 > Is this on Windows or RISC OS - which version are you using? RISC OS version 2.77 28 Jan 2009 >=20 > >3. Make another empty text frame. > >This time select all the text and copy to the clipboard, then paste > >into the empty frame. The indent setup seems to be lost. >=20 > Step 3 is a different operation to the others - are the other steps=20 > necessary or will it go wrong if you start with step 3,=20 Step 3 is all that is needed to show the problem (2 was by way of=20 contrast, but if it's a different process, forget it). > I would suggest looking at the clipboard and seeing if the text is=20 > formatted there. All effects are still in place on the clipboard.=20 > I presume the indents are done as text effects rather than as styles,=20 > anyway that's how I did them and things worked as one would want,=20 > formatting in step 3 was the same as in the other steps. Yes, text effects is the method.. It's actually worse than I had said -=20 ALL text effects are being lost on paste. Martin --=20 Martin R Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wiltshire, UK RISC OS in the timber-frame housing industry To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 21 11:40:05 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MTCJH-1ISGPo-04-Fhc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:40:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MTCJH-1ISGPo-04-Fhc; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:10:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MTCJH-1ISGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:10:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MTCJG-0002VG-Uu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:11:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B013BC96573; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:10:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XYc7i+rnApSr; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B07AC96517; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:10:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 319A1C94AF9 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:10:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wt3JE3eGv+R1 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3716C94A80 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 47.82.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.82.47] helo=iyo) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MTCId-0006yf-5m for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:10:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Using Ovation with VA and Laser To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Gav Crawford X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:10:06 +0100 Message-ID: <7039477e50.Crawfords@mail> References: <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com> <74c9687d50.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <74c9687d50.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.08) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1717 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vzVJ-GeqqHEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ka4UQ1XbQ1k-QzHTYskA:9 a=yhLW5KCJqW2lWZHuXlAA:7 a=OrLK6mXtz38cSlyi3aOtpIvgQzoA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=h4b3h_4Qa9mI4gmg:21 a=Oe8_3uTHwvX-gsju:21 In message <74c9687d50.alan@ntlworld.com> Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com>, Dr Alan Leighton >> writes >>>I have a Samsung CLP550a which is a Duplex Laser. I am using VA from >>>time to time using OPro with a Post Script 2 Driver and it works fine >>>but when I try to duplex nothing happens although OPro is set OK. I >>>guess it is because of not being in tune with Hostfs. Opro works fine >>>in duplex mode on the PC side. Any ideas how I can do the same on VA. >> The word "feed(s)" springs to mind. I could have sworn that Gavin >> Crawford had some nice way of handling them - ISTR they are bits of >> PostScript that you get the printer driver to include. >> You may also be able to use the printers control panel to put it into >> duplex mode. > Where are you Gavin Crawford ? How does one use the printers control > panel to put it into duplex mode when in VA?, by going into an > Ovation document then file> print>set long edge, save?. Way back in the distant past I did post to this list a detailed description of how to add duplex settings to a postscript printer definition. After doing a search I found the post, see: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Maillist/2002_09.txt and scroll down past halfway. The message is dated Mon, 09 Sep 2002 and the subject is Duplex Printing. The PostScript commands to switch the printer into duplex mode are device specific, so the commands in my posting may not work with your printer. You need to check the PPD file from the Windows/Mac driver to find the correct codes. -- Gavin Crawford To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 21 11:54:58 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MTCsR-0VtVbs-01-F8S.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:54:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MTCsR-0VtVbs-01-F8S; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:47:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MTCsR-0VtVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:47:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MTCsQ-0004jg-Nr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:47:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E4CDC9386B; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:47:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1AgfdhsjKbwH; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76634C9387B; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:46:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51CFEC9386B for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:46:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aKHS6DdKcgcb for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EDCEC93784 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MTCrr-0003dE-mh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:46:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:45:33 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: problem with holding format during copy/paste References: <6tLkSAD9wNZKFwPT@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1248159183.3880.1@PC-Ubuntu> In-Reply-To: <1248159183.3880.1@PC-Ubuntu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1718 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zh_NyGtQ804A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=POhHXwP5AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=fJLKtEIII4KufsD9-NEA:7 a=32bCrToRIy3QSRpIG1H1A_OrcxkA:4 a=pQx0UTkGgs-M8lHz:21 a=Y95Vw-pf1RUpO6c6:21 In message <1248159183.3880.1@PC-Ubuntu>, Martin Devon writes >Yes, text effects is the method.. It's actually worse than I had said - >ALL text effects are being lost on paste. I wonder if this is a clipboard effect - by that I mean you have the global clipboard selected in OP choices and you've got some clipboard software installed that is converting the clipboard contents to plain text. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 21 11:54:58 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MTCt8-4NF000-04-F7l.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:54:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MTCt8-4NF000-04-F7l; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:48:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MTCt8-4NF000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:48:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MTCt7-0002Sd-CM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:48:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDECEC93B7C; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:48:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ni-MOOKTsMPh; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58E6CC93A3D; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:47:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A31FC93B7C for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:47:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eyMzXYS-LAxK for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A31BC9387B for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MTCsW-0004RF-gD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:47:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:46:06 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Using Ovation with VA and Laser References: <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com> <74c9687d50.alan@ntlworld.com> <7039477e50.Crawfords@mail> In-Reply-To: <7039477e50.Crawfords@mail> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1719 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vzVJ-GeqqHEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D6XM_EnRAAAA:8 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=yjBBuMt9i24rK7hoYt0A:7 a=g5_GgWWz88M5MLC_bBwmzCz2-0gA:4 a=w55pTu7vmFUA:10 a=4huS-3D09vPNH2zL:21 a=8h8u_YiEjQXoGOU2:21 In message <7039477e50.Crawfords@mail>, Gav Crawford writes >definition. After doing a search I found the post, see: >http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Maillist/2002_09.txt Thanks - I did do a search but it didn't seem to come up with much. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 21 12:24:59 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MTDIW-4P7Vbs-01-EiN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:24:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MTDIW-4P7Vbs-01-EiN; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:14:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MTDIW-4P7Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:14:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MTDIV-0006bI-If for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:14:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E20A5C93880; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:14:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yN8GXs0rYccG; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6022AC9387B; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:13:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF887C938B0 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:13:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vw5RxEXDvcxs for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AD04C938D2 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO PC-Ubuntu) ([82.152.145.38]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2009 12:13:39 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:13:39 +0100 From: Martin Devon Subject: [softwarelist] Re: problem with holding format during copy/paste To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <6tLkSAD9wNZKFwPT@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1248159183.3880.1@PC-Ubuntu> In-Reply-To: (from flist@pilling.demon.co.uk on Tue Jul 21 11:45:33 2009) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.3.25 Message-Id: <1248174819.6622.0@PC-Ubuntu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1720 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=F1qB-77kZnoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=POhHXwP5AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=28stwx_v0DXXG3qKfsYA:9 a=vR05heFsYj3iWfiuLX4A:7 a=q3yqicY6_KblOxyZ8YkQRaaWFCAA:4 a=Ps8AgsCSHLBGM33M:21 a=_HEzp7W5zmZ_fI2z:21 On 21/07/09 11:45:33, David Pilling wrote: > In message <1248159183.3880.1@PC-Ubuntu>, Martin Devon=20 > writes > >Yes, text effects is the method.. It's actually worse than I had=20 > said > - > >ALL text effects are being lost on paste. >=20 > I wonder if this is a clipboard effect - by that I mean you have the=20 > global clipboard selected in OP choices and you've got some clipboard=20 > software installed that is converting the clipboard contents to plain=20 > text. Progress. Deselecting global clipboard in choices allows text effects=20 to be pasted. Howerver I do not know of anything installed which might=20 change the clipboard contents. --=20 Martin R Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wiltshire, UK RISC OS in the timber-frame housing industry To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 21 12:24:59 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MTDRw-0qVGPo-01-EYx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:24:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MTDRw-0qVGPo-01-EYx; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:24:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MTDRw-0qVGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:24:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MTDRu-0002Ha-Ou for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:24:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3956FC93C90; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:23:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lTZbZwqmwm34; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A79C3C93E54; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:23:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB56EC93C90 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:23:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zZdKQPygdCGt for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69CEBC93C6C for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (91-66-113-228-dynip.superkabel.de [91.66.113.228]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1MTDRK1keZ-000k34; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:23:22 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: problem with holding format during copy/paste To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:24:30 +0200 Message-ID: <5a094e7e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <6tLkSAD9wNZKFwPT@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1248159183.3880.1@PC-Ubuntu> <1248174819.6622.0@PC-Ubuntu> In-Reply-To: <1248174819.6622.0@PC-Ubuntu> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/UFSImV2vHOm6WKkd/YmVj2m/gZyxcMBK30F8 n2tytY/lerVl91m1zAVQBEx9kmPigyg4/kzgAJZwINboMX36yu pqhvr4BQgaZSfQuDqjmAx9gvpeL9GGQ X-archive-position: 1721 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zh_NyGtQ804A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=POhHXwP5AAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wS3hZd28ErRYgzbI89gA:9 a=Bjn393WpI0Q0VqXs23EA:7 a=k3EfIEygRpkrY__memB4PRNEm3gA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=VJ5_ouOesTqrFfFP:21 a=glSn9LdUzD8EgGk9:21 In message <1248174819.6622.0@PC-Ubuntu> Martin Devon wrote: > On 21/07/09 11:45:33, David Pilling wrote: >> In message <1248159183.3880.1@PC-Ubuntu>, Martin Devon >> writes >>>Yes, text effects is the method.. It's actually worse than I had >> said >> - >>>ALL text effects are being lost on paste. >> >> I wonder if this is a clipboard effect - by that I mean you have the >> global clipboard selected in OP choices and you've got some clipboard >> software installed that is converting the clipboard contents to plain >> text. > Progress. Deselecting global clipboard in choices allows text effects > to be pasted. Howerver I do not know of anything installed which might > change the clipboard contents. The Clipboard utility (current version maintained by Steve Fryatt) shows you which program is currently holding the clipboard. After you copy in OP it should show OP as the clipboard owner. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 21 13:10:01 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MTDww-1Fs000-01-E3x.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:10:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MTDww-1Fs000-01-E3x; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:56:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MTDww-1Fs000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:56:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MTDwr-0002bQ-Mf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:56:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2206CC9383D; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:55:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xm6g103EYNZC; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E6A4C938B3; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:55:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB3E1C9383D for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:55:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zj0vHHuSG62M for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58970C92B0A for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:55:23 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,239,1246834800"; d="scan'208";a="113154289" Received: from unknown (HELO PC-Ubuntu) ([82.152.145.38]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2009 12:55:07 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:55:07 +0100 From: Martin Devon Subject: [softwarelist] Re: problem with holding format during copy/paste To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: <5a094e7e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> (from public@mw-software.com on Tue Jul 21 12:24:30 2009) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.3.25 Message-Id: <1248177307.8700.0@PC-Ubuntu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1722 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=F1qB-77kZnoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=POhHXwP5AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=O7spgJ02LT53E_ujEQwA:9 a=icuREv9ghHqlelINPpQA:7 a=SEra1igSPV0QpvJzVo8vtytj1lgA:4 a=5EvSFhiJ5v7bBm1d:21 a=THaS1O5PtuFJwkrK:21 On 21/07/09 12:24:30, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <1248174819.6622.0@PC-Ubuntu> > Martin Devon wrote: >=20 > > On 21/07/09 11:45:33, David Pilling wrote: > >> In message <1248159183.3880.1@PC-Ubuntu>, Martin Devon > >> writes > >>>Yes, text effects is the method.. It's actually worse than I had > >> said > >> - > >>>ALL text effects are being lost on paste. > >>=20 > >> I wonder if this is a clipboard effect - by that I mean you have > the > >> global clipboard selected in OP choices and you've got some > clipboard > >> software installed that is converting the clipboard contents to > plain > >> text. >=20 > > Progress. Deselecting global clipboard in choices allows text > effects > > to be pasted. Howerver I do not know of anything installed which > might > > change the clipboard contents. >=20 > The Clipboard utility (current version maintained by Steve Fryatt)=20 > shows you which program is currently holding the clipboard. After you=20 > copy in OP it should show OP as the clipboard owner. Interesting results. With global clipboard enabled and !Clipboard=20 loaded, cutting from OPro produces an error "unexpected data save=20 packet" but this seems not to be fatal. !Clipboard always shows the=20 owner as OvationPro and the type as text - which may be significant? Also, if some text containing odd words with bold effect is cut/copied,=20 it always appears correctly on the clipboard but, on pasting, while=20 usually the effect is removed, I have seen occasions where the effect=20 is applied to all the text. Meanwhile, global clipboard is disabled... --=20 Martin R Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wiltshire, UK RISC OS in the timber-frame housing industry To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 21 14:10:02 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MTEuW-3Crknw-01-D6N.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:10:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MTEuW-3Crknw-01-D6N; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:57:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MTEuW-3Crknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:57:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MTEuU-0001vG-Td for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:57:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFC5DC942A3; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:57:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gvh7OTwBh9jw; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64549C9642F; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:57:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BB12C942A3 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:57:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P9CERXpZfgcK for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33C08C93877 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MTEtv-0001bE-gp for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:56:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:55:40 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: problem with holding format during copy/paste References: <5a094e7e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <1248177307.8700.0@PC-Ubuntu> In-Reply-To: <1248177307.8700.0@PC-Ubuntu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1723 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zh_NyGtQ804A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=POhHXwP5AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=zL4LQ07gls5ZU2u8T4cA:9 a=P-rebEb-HS1wPA3hL-wA:7 a=661MS9VJJbB8-wtAw-W-jROJZCUA:4 a=J8gQtF8YnyxfM61t:21 a=NFgqxG5UotW9si5A:21 In message <1248177307.8700.0@PC-Ubuntu>, Martin Devon writes >Interesting results. With global clipboard enabled and !Clipboard >loaded, cutting from OPro produces an error "unexpected data save ISTR there has been discussion about clipboard tools upsetting things in the past - maybe search the list archives. I don't recall what conclusion we came too. There was a bug in OP which upset one of them which I fixed. There will also be legitimate things going on, for example if you delete a word in bold, OP is in a "bold pending" state, if you immediately enter plain text it will be in bold. Also there is the matter of copying things from the clipboard in style "A" when style "A" is already defined in the document. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 21 22:55:20 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MTNEz-139Vbs-07-DIQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:55:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MTNEz-139Vbs-07-DIQ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:51:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MTNEz-139Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:51:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MTNEt-0007I8-P7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:51:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FD9EC9668A; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:51:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iunkVq7EgP4b; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 007EAC96836; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:50:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A107C9668A for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:50:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xM2DpiHxXMtQ for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BAA4C9670D for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO helvellyn) ([91.85.186.169]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2009 22:50:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:43:31 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: problem with holding format during copy/paste Message-ID: <5db5867e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <1248177307.8700.0@PC-Ubuntu> In-Reply-To: <1248177307.8700.0@PC-Ubuntu> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1724 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zh_NyGtQ804A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=POhHXwP5AAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rqgCkiXPwTM3MYSYPGcA:9 a=glxRGSxZjGrPwF3p2n4A:7 a=QfhgYyBLm-CfN_T4T8Ha-GT6-ecA:4 a=c29B4a1uUes_M6bJ:21 a=npTeRtKzB6bY3s4-:21 On 21 Jul, Martin Devon wrote in message <1248177307.8700.0@PC-Ubuntu>: > On 21/07/09 12:24:30, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > In message <1248174819.6622.0@PC-Ubuntu> > > Martin Devon wrote: > > > > > Progress. Deselecting global clipboard in choices allows text > > > effects to be pasted. Howerver I do not know of anything installed > > > which might change the clipboard contents. > > > > The Clipboard utility (current version maintained by Steve Fryatt) > > shows you which program is currently holding the clipboard. After you > > copy in OP it should show OP as the clipboard owner. > > Interesting results. With global clipboard enabled and !Clipboard > loaded, cutting from OPro produces an error "unexpected data save > packet" but this seems not to be fatal. !Clipboard always shows the > owner as OvationPro and the type as text - which may be significant? I've just had a play: a short piece of text with formatting in O-Pro, copy, and paste back. On RISC OS 5, it works as expected and the formatting is retained. On RISC OS 4.37, I see exactly what Martin describes (ie. the formatting is lost). A quick look at the Wimp messages flying around gives some clues as to what might be happening (and I'm fairly sure we've been here before on this list -- if not, it was with another WP/DTP app). As far as I can tell, the problem is as follows. On RISC OS 5, which is 'primitive' enough to still use the Global Clipboard Protocol as devised by Acorn, when the text is copied in O-Pro, O-Pro retains it on its own internal clipboard and advises all the other applications that it now 'owns' the clipboard. When the text is pasted back into O-Pro, O-Pro knows about the formatting (I assume), and so it is retained. On RISC OS 4.37, however, we have the Clipboard Holder. When O-Pro announces that it now 'owns' the clipboard contents, the Clipboard Holder (part of ROL's Select versions of the OS) immediately requests a copy of the contents and on receipt, claims ownership of the clipboard for itself. The logic is that if O-Pro is quit, the cut text will still be safe, held in the OS. The problem is that the Clipboard Holder seems to always take the lowest common denominator format: plain text, with no formatting. When O-Pro comes to paste in the text from the clipboard, it has to ask the Clipboard Holder for it as it no longer 'owns' the clipboard for itself. What it gets back is plain text, with no formatting. As to the "Unexpected Data Save packet" error, from a very quick look at the problem, I /think/ the issue is that Clipboard tries to play the same game as the Clipboard Holder: watch for apps claiming the clipboard, and then take it away from them. I'm not 100% sure, but it looks a bit as if Clipboard asks O-Pro for the clipboard after the Clipboard Holder does, but before O-Pro has chance to reply to the first request. Things then seem to get confused, both with Clipboard and O-Pro (I think -- apologies to David if the latter is unfair on O-Pro). In addition, I think Clipboard then reports O-Pro holds the clipboard contents when in fact, according to the underlying Wimp messages, it no longer does. I presume this is a result of the error. Does anyone use Clipboard (the app) enough to want me to investigate this latter bug further? The fact that I've not had a report thus far suggests not... > Also, if some text containing odd words with bold effect is cut/copied, > it always appears correctly on the clipboard but, on pasting, while > usually the effect is removed, I have seen occasions where the effect > is applied to all the text. See above. As to it being a new problem, I suspect that it came in when you upgraded to a version of RISC OS that contained the Clipboard Holder. > Meanwhile, global clipboard is disabled... Another fix is to kill the Clipboard Holder: if I press Ctrl-F12 on the RISC OS 4 machine and do "*RMKill ClipboardHolder", then return to O-Pro and do the same copy and paste, the formatting is now retained. Unfortunately, anything that uses the Clipboard Holder for clipboard facilities (such as Draw and Edit), will now no longer do Copy, Cut and Paste. In other words, there isn't really a quick fix as far as I can tell -- as I say, I think we've been here before. If you can live without global clipboard support in O-Pro, turning support off in its Choices may be the best bet. :-( -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 22 13:48:25 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MTOl3-3NCVbs-08-BmM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:48:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MTOl3-3NCVbs-08-BmM; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:28:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MTOl3-3NCVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:28:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MTOl2-0005DT-Ku for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:28:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1439CC96754; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:28:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ko4hlA8a9tVp; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B4B9C9677A; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:27:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8931DC96754 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:27:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YNio7-VHUxrA for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C085C9674C for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (91-66-113-228-dynip.superkabel.de [91.66.113.228]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKt2u-1MTOkS1yU7-000BCG; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:27:53 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: problem with holding format during copy/paste To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:29:04 +0200 Message-ID: <3f5f907e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <1248177307.8700.0@PC-Ubuntu> <5db5867e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <5db5867e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+1Z0J4W269BcxnG2nUd+C3o+aOa1RGT0mhblo xtF4FcOhQaHZBIU3iIzZxmdvz6gP5kYpOkA//nf+XhUuYjFQOG UiQKVyTlc/eo8cWzoG6Aw== X-archive-position: 1725 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zh_NyGtQ804A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=M2droTgOA0oo-Cw3SLQA:9 a=MZ1fRqqbYGLkVNKQal0A:7 a=YUtW0QNkbXpvpzTTWLILqDZuo64A:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=Codkw2eUCjsF8Rn-:21 a=KolHrsej2kTq_Qnr:21 In message <5db5867e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> Steve Fryatt wrote: > I've just had a play: a short piece of text with formatting in O-Pro, copy, > and paste back. On RISC OS 5, it works as expected and the formatting is > retained. On RISC OS 4.37, I see exactly what Martin describes (ie. the > formatting is lost). A quick look at the Wimp messages flying around gives > some clues as to what might be happening (and I'm fairly sure we've been here > before on this list -- if not, it was with another WP/DTP app). Yes, we have been here before on this list, years before. However, the problem was fixed back then, and it is still working fine here on RISC OS 4.39 and RISC OS 6.14. Maybe RISC OS 4.37 behaves differently, but that is not too likely. I tried it with the 2-Jun-2006 version of OP 2.77 (which is I happened to have installed in my copy of VRPC). > As far as I can tell, the problem is as follows. On RISC OS 5, which is > 'primitive' enough to still use the Global Clipboard Protocol as devised by > Acorn, when the text is copied in O-Pro, O-Pro retains it on its own internal > clipboard and advises all the other applications that it now 'owns' the > clipboard. When the text is pasted back into O-Pro, O-Pro knows about the > formatting (I assume), and so it is retained. > On RISC OS 4.37, however, we have the Clipboard Holder. When O-Pro > announces that it now 'owns' the clipboard contents, the Clipboard > Holder (part of ROL's Select versions of the OS) immediately requests > a copy of the contents and on receipt, claims ownership of the > clipboard for itself. The logic is that if O-Pro is quit, the cut > text will still be safe, held in the OS. Yes, correct. > The problem is that the Clipboard Holder seems to always take the lowest > common denominator format: plain text, with no formatting. No, the ClipboardHolder obtains the data in its native format in preference. Some earlier versions of OP supplied text, which caused the symptoms as described, but that was fixed. > When O-Pro comes to paste in the text from the clipboard, it has to > ask the Clipboard Holder for it as it no longer 'owns' the clipboard > for itself. What it gets back is plain text, with no formatting. That is what would happen if ClipboardHolder obtained plain text and then claimed the global clipboard, but that is not what I observe here on 4.39 and 6.14: OP 2.77 with "Global clipboard" enabled pastes text with effects just fine. I confirmed that the global clipboard works by pasting the same text into Zap, which worked fine, too, just as plain text of course. Pasting into OP again still pastes the text with effects. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 22 13:48:25 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MTPKp-13Qknw-04-BCa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:48:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MTPKp-13Qknw-04-BCa; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:05:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MTPKp-13Qknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:05:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MTPKp-0000Oa-93 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:05:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD7E6C9685F; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:05:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KTTNUN8UjBF2; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39E7CC96A79; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:04:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14D5CC9685F for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:04:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4ztcnN-ZDkMl for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1188C9683A for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:04:52 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,242,1246834800"; d="scan'208";a="113326257" Received: from unknown (HELO helvellyn) ([91.85.186.169]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2009 01:04:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:53 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: problem with holding format during copy/paste Message-ID: <218f937e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <1248177307.8700.0@PC-Ubuntu> <5db5867e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <3f5f907e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <3f5f907e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1726 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zh_NyGtQ804A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=C8s6BJX4VzC4EuJgeSMA:9 a=m8bZ1Vt_vYTVAAGEhRAA:7 a=k3hc1QPxE1xNwd53Fn9kgVGOQ0sA:4 a=BuEjJISM8dOWcO19:21 a=MjNPFHglEGgeJXB6:21 On 22 Jul, Martin Wuerthner wrote in message <3f5f907e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com>: > In message <5db5867e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> > Steve Fryatt wrote: > > > I've just had a play: a short piece of text with formatting in O-Pro, copy, > > and paste back. On RISC OS 5, it works as expected and the formatting is > > retained. On RISC OS 4.37, I see exactly what Martin describes (ie. the > > formatting is lost). A quick look at the Wimp messages flying around gives > > some clues as to what might be happening (and I'm fairly sure we've been here > > before on this list -- if not, it was with another WP/DTP app). > > Yes, we have been here before on this list, years before. However, the > problem was fixed back then, and it is still working fine here on RISC > OS 4.39 and RISC OS 6.14. Maybe RISC OS 4.37 behaves differently, but > that is not too likely. I tried it with the 2-Jun-2006 version of OP > 2.77 (which is I happened to have installed in my copy of VRPC). I'm using O-Pro 2.77, dated 14-Jan-09. [snip] > > The problem is that the Clipboard Holder seems to always take the lowest > > common denominator format: plain text, with no formatting. > > No, the ClipboardHolder obtains the data in its native format in > preference. Some earlier versions of OP supplied text, which caused the > symptoms as described, but that was fixed. Looking at the messages on RISC OS 4.37 (and with O-Pro as above), when the text is cut, the Clipboard Holder asks for an empty list of types (ie. the first type is -1, or end of list) in the DataRequest message. I assume this means "whatever you like". O-Pro responds in a DataSave message with "Text" (&FFF). When the paste happens, O-Pro asks for, in order of decreasing preference, DrawFile, Sprite, Text, DDL, &000. The Clipboard Holder offers Text; in fact, since DDL is below Text in O-Pro's preferences, I don't know if native format would ever be offered? I think the &000 may be an error, but I don't know; it's followed by the -1 terminator. > > When O-Pro comes to paste in the text from the clipboard, it has to > > ask the Clipboard Holder for it as it no longer 'owns' the clipboard > > for itself. What it gets back is plain text, with no formatting. > > That is what would happen if ClipboardHolder obtained plain text and > then claimed the global clipboard, but that is not what I observe here > on 4.39 and 6.14: OP 2.77 with "Global clipboard" enabled pastes text > with effects just fine. I confirmed that the global clipboard works by > pasting the same text into Zap, which worked fine, too, just as plain > text of course. Pasting into OP again still pastes the text with > effects. Sadly, it doesn't paste the effects here (on RO4; it does on RO5). I think further investigation is probably a job for tomorrow (or possibly the weekend, depending on available time). -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 22 13:48:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MTXR9-4L3knw-06-Bcm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:48:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MTXR9-4L3knw-06-Bcm; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:44:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MTXR9-4L3knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:44:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MTXR9-0003jP-5b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 08:44:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8551BC967CC; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:44:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IbrGV+w+eq5c; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24356C93CC6; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:43:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A88B0C967CC for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:43:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y29RAKqN2Pes for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A4EBC94DFA for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO PC-Ubuntu) ([82.152.145.38]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2009 09:43:47 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:43:47 +0100 From: Martin Devon Subject: [softwarelist] Re: problem with holding format during copy/paste To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: <3f5f907e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> (from public@mw-software.com on Wed Jul 22 00:29:04 2009) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.3.25 Message-Id: <1248252227.3533.0@PC-Ubuntu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1727 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=F1qB-77kZnoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=SzcT--CQicnx0A-Z5FsA:9 a=Rms_omIgcem9mWcO0IAA:7 a=pXBvCxlGS-seyjNdUQehqh1qrQIA:4 a=t5nFNZSrUComzvOC:21 a=YDge7KUtPIx8lqiX:21 On 22/07/09 00:29:04, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <5db5867e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> > Steve Fryatt wrote: >=20 > > I've just had a play: a short piece of text with formatting in > O-Pro, copy, > > and paste back. On RISC OS 5, it works as expected and the > formatting is > > retained. On RISC OS 4.37, I see exactly what Martin describes=20 > (ie. > the > > formatting is lost). A quick look at the Wimp messages flying > around gives > > some clues as to what might be happening (and I'm fairly sure we've > been here > > before on this list -- if not, it was with another WP/DTP app). >=20 > Yes, we have been here before on this list, years before. However,=20 > the >=20 > problem was fixed back then, and it is still working fine here on=20 > RISC >=20 > OS 4.39 and RISC OS 6.14. Maybe RISC OS 4.37 behaves differently, but=20 > that is not too likely. I tried it with the 2-Jun-2006 version of OP=20 > 2.77 (which is I happened to have installed in my copy of VRPC). >=20 > > As far as I can tell, the problem is as follows. On RISC OS 5, > which is > > 'primitive' enough to still use the Global Clipboard Protocol as > devised by > > Acorn, when the text is copied in O-Pro, O-Pro retains it on its=20 > own > internal > > clipboard and advises all the other applications that it now 'owns' > the > > clipboard. When the text is pasted back into O-Pro, O-Pro knows > about the > > formatting (I assume), and so it is retained. >=20 > > On RISC OS 4.37, however, we have the Clipboard Holder. When O-Pro > > announces that it now 'owns' the clipboard contents, the Clipboard > > Holder (part of ROL's Select versions of the OS) immediately > requests > > a copy of the contents and on receipt, claims ownership of the > > clipboard for itself. The logic is that if O-Pro is quit, the cut > > text will still be safe, held in the OS. >=20 > Yes, correct. >=20 > > The problem is that the Clipboard Holder seems to always take the > lowest > > common denominator format: plain text, with no formatting. >=20 > No, the ClipboardHolder obtains the data in its native format in=20 > preference. Some earlier versions of OP supplied text, which caused=20 > the symptoms as described, but that was fixed. >=20 > > When O-Pro comes to paste in the text from the clipboard, it has to > > ask the Clipboard Holder for it as it no longer 'owns' the=20 > clipboard > > for itself. What it gets back is plain text, with no formatting. >=20 > That is what would happen if ClipboardHolder obtained plain text and=20 > then claimed the global clipboard, but that is not what I observe=20 > here >=20 > on 4.39 and 6.14: OP 2.77 with "Global clipboard" enabled pastes text=20 > with effects just fine. I confirmed that the global clipboard works =20 > by pasting the same text into Zap, which worked fine, too, just as=20 > plain text of course. Pasting into OP again still pastes the text=20 > with effects. What, then, is or is not happening here? Two machines here, both OS 4.39 with OPro 2.77 (Jan09) are happy to paste text into Zap but still show the problem described, i.e. only text gets pasted back=20 into OPro from the global clipboard, which is where we started :-( --=20 Martin R Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wiltshire, UK RISC OS in the timber-frame housing industry To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 22 13:48:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MTXiw-1mBVbs-02-BKz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:48:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MTXiw-1mBVbs-02-BKz; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:02:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MTXiw-1mBVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:02:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MTXiv-0003TX-GC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:02:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE4D2C94DFF; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:02:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SAgj3jC3L9MI; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B410C94B36; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:02:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCD69C94DFF for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:02:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cqhmUgc4HzH2 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.9]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FE44C94D93 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (88-134-146-34-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.146.34]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKsym-1MTXiL04U6-000Yyq; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:02:18 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: problem with holding format during copy/paste To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:03:33 +0200 Message-ID: <84f7c47e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <1248177307.8700.0@PC-Ubuntu> <5db5867e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <3f5f907e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <218f937e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <218f937e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18PLZk/+VqcMeRZYwlFq1mSFmXKYPLD8MFdzy4 nLuCo7aJCirkFqqmgqcO9cMlmX9wzbeQEMnNdZxSN0y3ef0d5R Wh8Ww6jesl5bK9JUcPl9Q== X-archive-position: 1728 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zh_NyGtQ804A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dR2XBwSx71rd45Iu41kA:9 a=M4AdaXZJCouguerV9I4A:7 a=LPbFF7M9gPaFm5eNa8q0Obu-VDEA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=DrvcYu8ZTnmKv-km:21 a=4ZSClFkVdo1xRRol:21 In message <218f937e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 22 Jul, Martin Wuerthner wrote in message > <3f5f907e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com>: >> In message <5db5867e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> >> Steve Fryatt wrote: >> >>> I've just had a play: a short piece of text with formatting in O-Pro, >>> copy, and paste back. On RISC OS 5, it works as expected and the >>> formatting is retained. On RISC OS 4.37, I see exactly what Martin >>> describes (ie. the formatting is lost). [...] >> >> Yes, we have been here before on this list, years before. However, the >> problem was fixed back then, and it is still working fine here on RISC >> OS 4.39 and RISC OS 6.14. Maybe RISC OS 4.37 behaves differently, but >> that is not too likely. I tried it with the 2-Jun-2006 version of OP >> 2.77 (which is I happened to have installed in my copy of VRPC). > I'm using O-Pro 2.77, dated 14-Jan-09. > [...] > Looking at the messages on RISC OS 4.37 (and with O-Pro as above), when the > text is cut, the Clipboard Holder asks for an empty list of types (ie. > the first type is -1, or end of list) in the DataRequest message. I > assume this means "whatever you like". No. The specification is very clear about that: If the list is empty or none of the types in the list is recognized, the application *must* return its native type. I just tried it again, and indeed: it goes wrong with 2.77 (14-Jan-09), but it works just fine with 2.77 (02-Jun-2006). I notice that the 2006 version does not respond to the ClipboardHolder asking for its data, which means OP keeps the clipboard and can paste its own text with effects. The 2009 version delivers the data as Text to ClipboardHolder and immediately loses the clipboard, so it cannot paste its own text with effects, which is a serious shortcoming. The 2009 behaviour violates the Global Clipboard specification. Neither of the two is correct. What OP should really do is to deliver the file to ClipboardHolder in its own file type, not as text. Then, ClipboardHolder is clever enough not to claim the clipboard itself (to allow the application to still convert its own data to other types). Of course, that might mean a considerable amount of work because it would mean that OP would have to be able to paste its native type from the global clipboard, which may or may not be difficult to achieve. This is how EasiWriter works, for instance, which has a fully compliant implementation of the global clipboard protocol. The behaviour of the 2009 version of OP is clearly wrong and causes trouble. Its only minimal advantage is that the clipboard is still present after OP is quit, but very few users would even notice, so this is dearly bought at the expense of always pasting plain text. If fully correct behaviour as described above cannot be implemented, then a quick fix would be to revert to 2-Jun-2006 behaviour, which was at least only slightly wrong and much less broken at user level. Finally, a request: The next time you issue an update David, can we please have a new version number? Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 22 13:48:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MTXkH-1yFVbs-03-BJe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:48:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MTXkH-1yFVbs-03-BJe; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:04:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MTXkH-1yFVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:04:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MTXkG-0003oG-R0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:04:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57D41C94D93; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:04:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KMGduWSQjNDL; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA2BAC94E2C; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:03:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DAEEC94D93 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:03:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZHhvVJr9ODuP for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3E21C94B3D for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (88-134-146-34-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.146.34]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKt72-1MTXjh2FyW-0008y1; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:03:41 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: problem with holding format during copy/paste To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:04:58 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1248252227.3533.0@PC-Ubuntu> In-Reply-To: <1248252227.3533.0@PC-Ubuntu> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX181JCevoSuhyLbOJVoYWdlpnb+8tqJNKbxcliq /gcxB5N3Cipg8UmQUQAEVE+vBgc27AVDzohnCK1fAaW7VRcBoB JRAQZLnAuLf0xBQ3olX6w== X-archive-position: 1729 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zh_NyGtQ804A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=POhHXwP5AAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ntFLfO1-qi5FgUL9o04A:9 a=hrriDdFfOFT6r2hHgicA:7 a=Z8kv0Kt5xg0uIIyuti9k4Bn_04gA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 In message <1248252227.3533.0@PC-Ubuntu> Martin Devon wrote: > [...] > What, then, is or is not happening here? Two machines here, > both OS 4.39 with OPro 2.77 (Jan09) are happy to paste text into Zap > but still show the problem described, i.e. only text gets pasted back > into OPro from the global clipboard, which is where we started :-( Yes, see my other post: 2.77 (Jan-09) goes wrong. 2.77 (Jun-06) works correctly. Pasting with effects got broken inbetween. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 22 13:48:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MTYCw-1CqGPo-02-Aqz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:48:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MTYCw-1CqGPo-02-Aqz; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:33:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MTYCw-1CqGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:33:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MTYCw-0002Vr-3b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:33:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65A50C9643A; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:33:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wjISshnF1Wdi; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE1FBC94E06; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:33:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B9A5C9643A for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:33:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qP7wlGmrb20s for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D954EC96438 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:33:18 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.43,244,1246834800"; d="scan'208";a="113407734" Received: from unknown (HELO PC-Ubuntu) ([82.152.145.38]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2009 10:33:18 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:33:18 +0100 From: Martin Devon Subject: [softwarelist] Re: problem with holding format during copy/paste To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <1248252227.3533.0@PC-Ubuntu> In-Reply-To: (from public@mw-software.com on Wed Jul 22 10:04:58 2009) X-Mailer: Balsa 2.3.25 Message-Id: <1248255198.4721.0@PC-Ubuntu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-archive-position: 1730 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=F1qB-77kZnoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=POhHXwP5AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hvm_VNVhrX1BjknXBWsA:9 a=LXSCiAjPUqhA0T16HB4A:7 a=GT6eTtCdWFsJbBAjCqP5Hbu2KysA:4 a=NyDsHVcJtUtmaL0y:21 a=2iP8MUDUxIE3CvtQ:21 On 22/07/09 10:04:58, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <1248252227.3533.0@PC-Ubuntu> > Martin Devon wrote: >=20 > > [...] > > What, then, is or is not happening here? Two machines here, > > both OS 4.39 with OPro 2.77 (Jan09) are happy to paste text into=20 > Zap > > but still show the problem described, i.e. only text gets pasted > back > > into OPro from the global clipboard, which is where we started :-( >=20 > Yes, see my other post: 2.77 (Jan-09) goes wrong. 2.77 (Jun-06) works=20 > correctly. Pasting with effects got broken inbetween. Yes; that fits with my wife saying it's only started happening recently=20 since January I should think :-( Thanks to Steve and Martin (the one with the tie) --=20 Martin R Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wiltshire, UK RISC OS in the timber-frame housing industry To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 22 13:48:30 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MTZME-3Wj000-05-9hh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:48:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MTZME-3Wj000-05-9hh; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:47:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MTZME-3Wj000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:47:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MTZME-0002Oj-A4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:47:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7EA7C96AA8; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:47:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NztgH40Zqz+x; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43431C96B51; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:47:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DC14C96AA8 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:47:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kUOEZ8EK2Yfv for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C16B1C969D7 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 06:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (88-134-146-34-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.146.34]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKv1o-1MTZLe03Kp-0007rt; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:46:58 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Using Ovation with VA and Laser To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:45:44 +0200 Message-ID: <6252ce7e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <09775a7d50.alan@ntlworld.com> <74c9687d50.alan@ntlworld.com> <7039477e50.Crawfords@mail> In-Reply-To: <7039477e50.Crawfords@mail> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19UsAo12HNXLTgZvCmq4/WRQqcBA3eV6EV0GHO KzjAvZZKsSw3Wt4sPeSNvZLCnMD+Y+4pjHBJyxI6T2o+/JXaGs zFYAzXnAv4SC4Lll7L6+Q== X-archive-position: 1731 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vzVJ-GeqqHEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D6XM_EnRAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=l-AtqzOtb0MPLzSnqGoA:9 a=VwzAwZ5O6V_YscBwq0YA:7 a=Z628JE0EUjlEUAvU92dV6cga02sA:4 a=w55pTu7vmFUA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=MXg_aXPrjzno_p1K:21 a=OP-OiaJLdBFU07pq:21 In message <7039477e50.Crawfords@mail> Gav Crawford wrote: > The PostScript commands to switch the printer into duplex mode are > device specific, so the commands in my posting may not work with your > printer. You need to check the PPD file from the Windows/Mac driver to > find the correct codes. Just as an aside, John Tytgat has done a lot of work to make all that automatic eventually. Once his PPD support is released as part of the PostScript3 project, you will be able to install the PPD file from the driver disc that came with your printer and the RISC OS driver will offer all the options the printer supports in a dialogue box: tray selection, duplexing, advanced colour options, stapling, binding, sorting, etc. (subject to what the printer offers, of course). The core functionality is working already, but integrating it into !Printers properly is tricky, so to keep things simple, that feature will not be part of the initial release of our PostScript3 driver (and before you ask, details about availability will be announced when the time has come). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 22 14:18:24 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MTbXV-4KN000-08-G2w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:18:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MTbXV-4KN000-08-G2w; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:07:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MTbXV-4KN000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:07:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MTbXQ-0003NG-4v for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:07:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5893FC96754; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:07:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BHfxhKyh9W-r; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EDAC8C96B51; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:06:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5040BC969BD for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:06:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e8ngMblD0e46 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9869C969D4 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 09:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MTbWn-0002L3-kQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:06:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:05:20 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: problem with holding format during copy/paste References: <1248177307.8700.0@PC-Ubuntu> <5db5867e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <3f5f907e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <218f937e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <84f7c47e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <84f7c47e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1732 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zh_NyGtQ804A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=nT91x-YEt5L0yo96498A:7 a=iqelieo7vBMn6Vi_ibTN5xT2OX4A:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=4N25f-wCGGXtz0ha:21 a=jFUVzOM5CT1QMR_p:21 In message <84f7c47e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner writes >The behaviour of the 2009 version of OP is clearly wrong and causes >trouble. Its only minimal advantage is that the clipboard is still I'd like to believe that the change I made, was made with good intentions, i.e. that it was made the last time someone found a problem with the clipboard and a fix was suggested. I'm struggling because I don't understand the evolution of the clipboard protocol and the consequences on one platform (e.g. Iyonix) with changes for another (e.g. ROSL). >Finally, a request: The next time you issue an update David, can we >please have a new version number? Do you think I have an infinity of numbers... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jul 23 19:34:34 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MTdrq-0LEGPo-04-Dib.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:34:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MTdrq-0LEGPo-04-Dib; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:36:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MTdrq-0LEGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:36:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MTdrj-0007FN-QG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 15:36:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85D13C96C25; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:36:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uJH4TvS2db+e; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 235BBC96F68; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:35:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BF6AC96C73 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:35:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GOrhs0-DqFpC for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFEF1C96F32 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (88-134-146-34-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.146.34]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1MTdqa38mO-000kJk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:35:13 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: problem with holding format during copy/paste To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:36:28 +0200 Message-ID: <8af0e87e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <1248177307.8700.0@PC-Ubuntu> <5db5867e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <3f5f907e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <218f937e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <84f7c47e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+SMvpV/oj/o9/w/yQeIgedOK86U+6OObqkhjM cumW771dOq5+GjjeTvIuWmrUqtWNqIYb29jDJf6755MtcFADU4 jx1/JHW3ySui8Xx82XF4nQ8rBsWjQbt X-archive-position: 1733 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zh_NyGtQ804A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MMtnKNcvXartdjt0UfMA:9 a=WdMOAi7CVWWoNUIoApkA:7 a=c-PgfaSTfJ0xSWUGDlT9gv_hYoAA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=uHA32e7Vbna2eMOy:21 a=mNrjWPfhiQsjme4V:21 In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <84f7c47e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner > writes >>The behaviour of the 2009 version of OP is clearly wrong and causes >>trouble. Its only minimal advantage is that the clipboard is still > I'd like to believe that the change I made, was made with good > intentions, i.e. that it was made the last time someone found a problem > with the clipboard and a fix was suggested. > I'm struggling because I don't understand the evolution of the clipboard > protocol and the consequences on one platform (e.g. Iyonix) with changes > for another (e.g. ROSL). There is no difference. The protocol is the same. The only difference is that on Select and above there is an additional component that uses the protocol. Anyone could write a ClipboardHolder module for RO5, so this is not an OS issue. As long as your application supports the protocol correctly, you should not need to worry about the fact whether a module implementing clipboard holder functionality is present. In fact, your application cannot even detect whether such a module is present, all it sees are ordinary clipboard messages that could just as well come from any other application. The current version of OP does not implement the protocol correctly, which means that legitimate use of the protocol, such as by the ClipboardHolder module in Select and above, can disrupt core functionality of OP. It should be fairly trivial to revert to the Jun-06 behaviour, which does not suffer from this problem. >>Finally, a request: The next time you issue an update David, can we >>please have a new version number? > Do you think I have an infinity of numbers... If not, I think I have a few spare I can lend to you. For instance, ArtWorks jumped from 2.75 to 2.80, so I have at least 2.78 and 2.79 lying around unused somewhere, which would be useful for OP. ;-) Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jul 23 19:34:39 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MTgt4-3mbknw-07-AhN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:34:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MTgt4-3mbknw-07-AhN; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:49:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MTgt4-3mbknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:49:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MTgt3-0004Kd-RP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:49:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C1C6C96858; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:49:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pqn9pohXN-fe; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE47AC96960; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:49:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 070FFC96858 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:49:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YbjQCHlbfIut for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [86.54.100.209]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA6C6C9683B for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-192-176.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.192.176]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n6MInRS5001242 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:49:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:43:32 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: problem with holding format during copy/paste Message-ID: <507efa1104dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <1248177307.8700.0@PC-Ubuntu> <5db5867e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <3f5f907e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <218f937e50.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <84f7c47e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1734 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zh_NyGtQ804A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=EUGrWunFcEEogJ9wrpMA:9 a=v3qWIu5fM5eRAyG2xm0A:7 a=gSHCW9RzeVgY8x08cgoOrLTBa0IA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=HAkRqz6Tmbj1veo_:21 a=IB_lB2cuDhQaRRvG:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <84f7c47e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner > writes [Snip] > >Finally, a request: The next time you issue an update David, can we > >please have a new version number? > Do you think I have an infinity of numbers... David, you could always use the method used a lot in Win PC land 2.77.0 then 2.77.1 and so on until a major version release would become 2.78.0 then 2.78.1 and so on... Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 25 22:08:02 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MUZBx-36aknw-02-G46.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:08:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MUZBx-36aknw-02-G46; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:49:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MUZBx-36aknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:49:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MUZBw-0005Dd-UB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:49:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B602C97D21; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:49:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hlSG-2Enh3Bi; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5BF7C97CB6; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:48:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1148EC97D21 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:48:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6XH-ua69+jHJ for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.13]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8656C97CBF for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 00:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-24-236.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.24.236] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MUZBL-000HUO-G0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 05:48:27 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] drawing lines on an OPro masterpage To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:01:18 +0100 Message-ID: <08d1298050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1735 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=59FwyKkvB4gA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=IdLdQuG84NwrU3IGOu0A:9 a=OvQHTiwkJ13AsolOc-0A:7 a=hxGJV5lQTqW-yf6-zWvhxbzyzm0A:4 i've got my header and footers set up on masterpages for all 12 chapters, left and right. i'd like a thin line to separate them from the main text. (ie, i'll need to place the line 24 times.) i don't seem to be able to draw a line at all on a master page. is there some trick i havent grasped? i choose the line tool, click at the beginning point, a blue square appears, click at the end point, a blue square appears. now how do i finish? OPro manual (p93) says the procedure is exactly the same as drawing a frame ... but ... -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 25 22:08:03 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MUc0s-1jCGPo-02-DFB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:08:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MUc0s-1jCGPo-02-DFB; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 07:49:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MUc0s-1jCGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 07:49:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MUc0s-0006Qu-60 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 07:49:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99A15C97F23; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:49:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1VL5VtOpfVu9; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B27EC97F55; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:49:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34621C97F23 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:49:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AwgnvUhVSvvY for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D269AC93DD1 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO helvellyn) ([82.152.254.145]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2009 08:49:13 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:44:56 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: drawing lines on an OPro masterpage Message-ID: <2247498050.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <08d1298050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <08d1298050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1736 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pP86FCW-c2sA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=9ns6Q6jiFhToLRKiNm0A:9 a=GnAr6AD-gQc9qLfWMXsA:7 a=H7bpM51shMfze7d6wOxD14z7I58A:4 a=1aiNX9SpL6n_t-_2:21 a=axDFS-GFzrOdf63y:21 On 25 Jul, Jim Nagel wrote in message <08d1298050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>: > i've got my header and footers set up on masterpages for all 12 > chapters, left and right. > > i'd like a thin line to separate them from the main text. (ie, i'll > need to place the line 24 times.) > > i don't seem to be able to draw a line at all on a master page. > > is there some trick i havent grasped? i choose the line tool, click > at the beginning point, a blue square appears, click at the end point, > a blue square appears. now how do i finish? OPro manual (p93) says > the procedure is exactly the same as drawing a frame ... but ... Assuming that there's not some subtle point that I'm missing: it's just like Draw. Double-click ends including the double-clicked point in the line; Adjust ends excluding the clicked point. If you're drawing horizontal lines, remember that holding down Shift will constrain the mouse to the horizontal or vertical. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 25 22:08:04 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MUcjh-1V6000-07-CWM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:08:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MUcjh-1V6000-07-CWM; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:36:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MUcjh-1V6000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:36:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MUcjg-0005NX-NC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:36:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EAA56C97A5D; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:36:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Igj8MSCH4N50; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EB25C978EA; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:35:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E52A0C97A5D for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:35:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AWb+8t3p4AZt for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com (ttsmtp-4.cpwnetworks.com [62.24.128.245]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62FEFC97A5C for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:35:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArwBAEdhakpOl5kY/2dsb2JhbAAI02eEDAWECA Received: from unknown (HELO [10.0.0.5]) ([78.151.153.24]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2009 09:35:15 +0100 Message-Id: <1B4A385F-50E4-4993-8C4B-21726EB343BB@pandda.co.uk> From: David Crofts To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" In-Reply-To: <2247498050.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPod Mail (7A341) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPod Mail 7A341) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: drawing lines on an OPro masterpage Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:34:28 +0100 References: <08d1298050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <2247498050.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> X-archive-position: 1737 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@pandda.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pP86FCW-c2sA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xQ4ORTTTLI63FSapLQ8A:9 a=n7owmJBtKSTOhx1Dpc0A:7 a=b-s93ynstBVw1Nd-IY1Qqk68ZFEA:4 a=E0MOXHCPl0HGQRf_:21 a=wWwBIA3H7R39lj_X:21 Or set up a frame border... David Croftd On 25 Jul 2009, at 08:44, Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 25 Jul, Jim Nagel wrote in message > <08d1298050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>: > >> i've got my header and footers set up on masterpages for all 12 >> chapters, left and right. >> >> i'd like a thin line to separate them from the main text. (ie, i'll >> need to place the line 24 times.) >> >> i don't seem to be able to draw a line at all on a master page. >> >> is there some trick i havent grasped? i choose the line tool, click >> at the beginning point, a blue square appears, click at the end >> point, >> a blue square appears. now how do i finish? OPro manual (p93) says >> the procedure is exactly the same as drawing a frame ... but ... > > Assuming that there's not some subtle point that I'm missing: it's > just like > Draw. Double-click ends including the double-clicked point in the > line; > Adjust ends excluding the clicked point. > > If you're drawing horizontal lines, remember that holding down Shift > will > constrain the mouse to the horizontal or vertical. > > -- > Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England > > http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ > > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 25 22:08:07 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MUgLS-4fXknw-01-8ub.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:08:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MUgLS-4fXknw-01-8ub; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:27:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MUgLS-4fXknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:27:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MUgLP-0007Ni-Eg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:27:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5BD72C97EF9; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:27:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qTfvHXk9XS4H; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02B99C96BE2; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:26:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2F37C97EF9 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:26:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7KqYCKMbHJ-8 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail13.bluewin.ch (mail13.bluewin.ch [195.186.18.62]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B534C97EF6 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:26:39 -0400 (EDT) X-FXIT-IP: IPv4[83.76.68.2] Epoch[1248524797] Received: from [83.76.68.2] ([83.76.68.2:13026] helo=ACER.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch) by mail13.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTP id DC/EE-15411-DF9FA6A4; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:26:37 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: drawing lines on an OPro masterpage To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:26:21 +0200 Message-ID: <980a638050.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> References: <08d1298050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <08d1298050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090724-0, 07/24/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 1738 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pP86FCW-c2sA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xvTZOsKOI9HptqETr4oA:9 a=bhII3tS_MeXaxtrSk5MA:7 a=Y7Rt4qn9Hdve4tL411Fuw58AaKoA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=DmmOeVBDWcnRuzD6:21 a=I1bNE4HRc2xXapwh:21 In message <08d1298050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> Jim Nagel wrote: > i've got my header and footers set up on masterpages for all 12 > chapters, left and right. > i'd like a thin line to separate them from the main text. (ie, i'll > need to place the line 24 times.) Use Copy and Paste. Be sure that in Preferences>View you have "Snap to objects" set, the line then pastes itself on the bottom line of the Header frame if the Pointer is near enough. > i don't seem to be able to draw a line at all on a master page. Could it be that the Rectangle or Ellipse Shape tool is *also* selected instead of one of the Line Shape tools? You need to select the Line tool *and* the correct Line Shape tool. > is there some trick i havent grasped? i choose the line tool, click > at the beginning point, a blue square appears, click at the end point, > a blue square appears. now how do i finish? OPro manual (p93) says > the procedure is exactly the same as drawing a frame ... but ... -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 25 22:08:10 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MUkVL-10wknw-01-DHE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:08:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MUkVL-10wknw-01-DHE; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:53:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MUkVL-10wknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:53:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MUkVK-0003Nx-Q9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:53:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2720EC97F75; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:53:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P6G7r1scZ9rX; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3A2FC97F58; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:53:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06389C97F75 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:53:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tc7JGhrdrvhg for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.13]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1D77C97F6F for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-31-173.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.31.173] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MUkUl-000K0O-5I for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:53:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: drawing lines on an OPro masterpage To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:55:12 +0100 Message-ID: <00a87b8050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <08d1298050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <2247498050.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <2247498050.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1739 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pP86FCW-c2sA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ypywkpQGbCVaLNlb9u0A:9 a=k4VpbdFBfszXEqFxd1sA:7 a=95J_4kWYHjwCsZuOdJoYkCrIsXEA:4 Steve Fryatt wrote on 25 Jul: > ... it's just like > Draw. Double-click ends including the double-clicked point in the line; > Adjust ends excluding the clicked point. well, i never. can you imagine that in all these years of using Draw i never knew about that doubleclick? i've always used Return to finish a line in Draw. which doesnt work in OPro. -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jul 25 22:22:58 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MUoZ3-1HR000-05-9DW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:22:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MUoZ3-1HR000-05-9DW; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:13:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MUoZ3-1HR000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:13:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MUoZ3-0004CL-DV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:13:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD4A0C97665; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:13:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aZHNOg92ia8L; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83C9FC7C7BC; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:13:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35291C97665 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:13:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f+BwsfmjIfxw for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E80E9C7C7BC for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 17:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MUoYT-0001NS-i8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:13:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:11:58 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: drawing lines on an OPro masterpage References: <08d1298050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <2247498050.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <00a87b8050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <00a87b8050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1740 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pP86FCW-c2sA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=tCN5gcV_hX-G-mMdMq8A:7 a=pEXd78ofRTLZBrqx0dGLKbJe9-AA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=iL5Z1lCkbwpp8_qN:21 a=5aY4Zm_2w4YKEH0A:21 In message <00a87b8050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel writes It is not a good idea to use frames where lines are more appropriate, frames carry a lot of overhead. Line drawing on a master page is just like line drawing in the document. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 26 11:50:47 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MUq7j-31rknw-08-GBM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:50:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MUq7j-31rknw-08-GBM; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:53:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MUq7j-31rknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:53:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MUq7j-00048N-9a for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:53:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9551EC93B05; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:53:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aunhB+NxoGrC; 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Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-31-173.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.31.173] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1MUq79-000Die-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:53:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: drawing lines on an OPro masterpage To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:36:52 +0100 Message-ID: References: <08d1298050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <2247498050.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <00a87b8050.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1741 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pP86FCW-c2sA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ewBRWsVSD_of4JVPSA4A:9 a=qXm5jMAQ4xlloXccvuMA:7 a=QIUxAtmxYWvGn9MOPkBrzygkU3MA:4 David Pilling wrote on 25 Jul: > It is not a good idea to use frames where lines are more appropriate, > frames carry a lot of overhead. > Line drawing on a master page is just like line drawing in the document. i had never drawn lines anywhere in OPro before. it was this doubleclick-to-finish-the-line that had foxed me. my masterpages are now using OPro's system of headers and footers, rather the three separate frames (header, body, footer) that i had first imported from the original Impression document. i'm now drawing these lines as a visual separation between header and body and between body and footer. i want a certain distance between header and line and between line and body text. the body text will start at the top of its area, therefore the line has to go a certain distance up from the bottom of the header section. i found the "centre text vertically in frame" option that i thought i had once seen (when you select a frame, it's in Object > Modify > Align) but unfortunately this affects the main body area as well as the header and footer area. so i fiddled with the definition of the header-footer text style, "space before" till i've got the headers where i want them. now at the moment i'm puzzing over how to make the footer text stay a certain distance BELOW the line i've drawn. its "space before" will have to be different from that of the header, so i suppose i'm going to have to define a separate style for footer and apply it 24 separate times: to the footers on left and right masterpages of my 12 chapters. (this is after copy&pasting the line and positioning it accurately in th F7 dialogue -- 48 times: header, footer, left, right, 12 chapters.) is there an easier way? maybe i'm coming at this with false assumptions from previous apps. with hindsight, i think separate frames for header and footer (which could include the line as one edge of the frame) would give me more control over spacing within and between the frames so the text will fall exactly where i want it. in general, what are the advantages and disadvantages of the OPro system of headers and footers as opposed to using three separate frames? can somebody with more experience of OPro give a summary? -- Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd (01458) 83 3603 Glastonbury BA6 9JG pocket 0797 415 3861 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling