From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 10:58:36 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M22LR-1zsknw-08-BpG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:58:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M22LR-1zsknw-08-BpG; Thu, 07 May 2009 12:04:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M22LR-1zsknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 12:04:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M22LR-0002CM-2N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 12:04:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55A47C3ED2C; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:04:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ll92We7ixOYb; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1DA0C3EB32; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 May 2009 08:04:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C30DFC3ED2C for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:04:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B8BtflcX-dcy for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.13]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85EE0C3ED57 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 08:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-20-227.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.20.227] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1M22Ko-000ICM-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 13:04:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS as "?" To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 12:37:42 +0100 Message-ID: <6f8caf5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1530 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Piq1C8eTNjTbqu0yrIcA:9 a=0ejwhv_XaPQGfQisKuoA:7 a=BZuAjHpDx7edZUlCMNvf4JugxqwA:4 yesterday i messed around with the settings inside SparkFS (1.41) in order to make a "no compression" zipfile for writing to a CD. in the process SparkFS on the iconbar has become a grey folder with a big black "?" on it. never seen this before. it's still there after reboot. what does this mean, and what do i need to do to put it back to normal? come to think of it, is there some helpfile or manual that i should have in order to RTFM? all i can find is the Readme files (which i always stash inside an app so i can find them). -- >>> no need to reply my entire message back to me ;=] Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd (01458) 83 3603 Glastonbury BA6 9JG pocket 0797 415 3861 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 10:58:37 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M23gk-2xDVbs-04-ATx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:58:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M23gk-2xDVbs-04-ATx; Thu, 07 May 2009 13:31:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M23gk-2xDVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 13:31:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M23gc-0000aM-Es for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 13:31:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA084C3F197; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:28:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28GCtuMCDONw; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B5E9C3F1E0; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 May 2009 09:28:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02DC2C3F197 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:28:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eeH8nJ2+2Lmd for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.13]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 135F7C3F12A for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-20-227.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.20.227] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1M23d0-000IL1-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:27:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: how to make heading start at top of page [OPro---] To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 14:27:20 +0100 Message-ID: <2b96b95750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <28950f4e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <28950f4e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1531 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kEtqwc-i6WcA:10 a=B36Qrp5s_JQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=1-V8SVCIQXth-kqC77oA:9 a=D1JVHpUMKQbnSl8D6QwA:7 a=JQG_HGiOG6aCbkeewWMkKg4fF2oA:4 Jim Nagel wrote in this list on Apr 18: > a book i'm producing has many-many headings styled as "heading2". > i now want each of them to start a new page. is there any way to do > this automagically, in the definition of "heading2" or elsewhere? ... many thanks to those who offered suggestions on this at the time. since then i have discovered (on Chris Johnson's site, i think) the applet !Headings (Roger Noble, 2001) which seems to do the trick. it has a facility to add various attributes -- "Top", in this case -- to any heading style. i havent yet tested whether, having turned it on, i can later decide i don't like how many new pages it has caused the book to have, and switch it off with impunity. -- >>> no need to reply my entire message back to me ;=] Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd (01458) 83 3603 Glastonbury BA6 9JG pocket 0797 415 3861 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 10:58:37 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M23ml-0aNGPo-06-ANw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:58:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M23ml-0aNGPo-06-ANw; Thu, 07 May 2009 13:37:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M23ml-0aNGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 13:37:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M23md-0001VM-EJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 13:37:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 580C9C3EFC2; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:33:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6ePtDUjOf2T1; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 503EFC3F352; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 May 2009 09:32:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0702C3F30F for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:32:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NbAFl+K9rMCo for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ACC4CC3F2FB for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 09:30:48 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAIN+AkrUnw6S/2dsb2JhbADQeYQDBQ Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net ([212.159.14.146]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 07 May 2009 14:29:07 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1M23es-0001cu-G7 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:29:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 14:28:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS as "?" Message-ID: <5057b9b08dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <6f8caf5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <6f8caf5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: dcd746a410f36cbd76bba237ca9ca90a X-archive-position: 1532 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=i8RF4R3u4ywA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nQ5feU7GUtdzzJROqRkA:9 a=8hW3tAfwl87JpeZ2ftcA:7 a=1RCRqmk5VUAEEZrsBcPUNfirsC4A:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=FlWZmpM5BWsjO_1W:21 a=31m8miBXU3_uWRK6:21 In article <6f8caf5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel wrote: > in the process SparkFS on the iconbar has become a grey folder with a > big black "?" on it. never seen this before. it's still there after > reboot. > what does this mean, and what do i need to do to put it back to > normal? It means the SparkFS icon has not been loaded. It presumably means the filer is no longer iconspriting the !sprites file (or 4sprites/5sprites as appropriate), so the filer is unaware of the !SparkFS icon. The command is in both the !Boot and !Run file so I cannot see how there could be a problem. Do the file icons, e.g. for archive or zip still show correctly? You haven't done anything silly such as copy/rename the SparkFS app for a specific purpose have you? This would mean the filer couldn't match the app name to the sprite name in the sprites file. Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 10:58:37 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M249O-27o000-03-A1J.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:58:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M249O-27o000-03-A1J; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:00:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M249O-27o000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:00:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M249N-00006f-Fu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:00:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70F6FC3EF70; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:00:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SWzjuMXO4OsF; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 107C8C3EF78; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 May 2009 10:00:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB1DFC3EF70 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:00:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yeKLzJM6Uius for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.14]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72C43C3E1E4 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-20-227.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.20.227] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1M248m-0001Yv-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:00:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS as "?" To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 14:57:02 +0100 Message-ID: <244ebc5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <6f8caf5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5057b9b08dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <5057b9b08dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1533 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=i8RF4R3u4ywA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4xlr2NNgOswqVlCWRgAA:9 a=hTApm_GB2cRLv4BPMrcA:7 a=T95BHm4banDaF1XrNlOnoQq8uYgA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=xV7XGiZJNeo9soti:21 a=kTuLIv9CA9Hm3_xa:21 Chris Johnson wrote on 7 May: > In article <6f8caf5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, > Jim Nagel wrote: >> in the process SparkFS on the iconbar has become a grey folder with a >> big black "?" on it. never seen this before. it's still there after >> reboot. >> what does this mean, and what do i need to do to put it back to >> normal? > It means the SparkFS icon has not been loaded. It presumably means > the filer is no longer iconspriting the !sprites file (or > 4sprites/5sprites as appropriate) ... no, !SparkFS /has/ found its iconsprites file. in its 4Sprites22 file i see icons for !sparkfs (the familiar one with the lightning flash across a grey folder), but also !sparkfs1 (a folder with an up&down arrow), !sparkfs2 (the one i'm seeing, with "?"), and !sparkfs3 (with three horiz lines, like an I Ching symbol). what are these, and how do i get back to the normal one? -- >>> no need to reply my entire message back to me ;=] Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 10:58:37 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M24AM-2S4GPo-04-A0L.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:58:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M24AM-2S4GPo-04-A0L; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:01:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M24AM-2S4GPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; 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Thu, 7 May 2009 15:01:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: how to make heading start at top of page [OPro---] To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Noble X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 15:00:50 +0100 Message-ID: <2ea7bc5750.rgn@iyonix.ntlworld.com> References: <28950f4e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <2b96b95750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2b96b95750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zlK4-Y_4Sc0A:10 a=eo8iOcJ8yj0A:10 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=qx0WVkawAAAA:8 a=ZgquH4u5RBaxGAgdpCoA:9 a=BP3dr52b1DJiPYtInfwA:7 a=II9G_Kggn-e9DOTLIIDrEKMPZhAA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=Dxx59NDgoDjOQ9x-:21 a=iG3GCAlNmzLzcWt1:21 X-archive-position: 1534 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rgnoble@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kEtqwc-i6WcA:10 a=B36Qrp5s_JQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=qx0WVkawAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ZgquH4u5RBaxGAgdpCoA:9 a=hBMSbxAXLE4kf3sWMaQA:7 a=u92apqH6sQqnwO5xFDGlEImsuc4A:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=rC-l50MGB_V67vCW:21 a=HDmH40RLZt3p-s0G:21 Jim Nagel wrote: > many thanks to those who offered suggestions on this at the time. > since then i have discovered (on Chris Johnson's site, i think) the > applet !Headings (Roger Noble, 2001) which seems to do the trick. That would be !Together .... :-) > it has a facility to add various attributes -- "Top", in this case -- > to any heading style. > i havent yet tested whether, having turned it on, i can later decide i > don't like how many new pages it has caused the book to have, and > switch it off with impunity. In theory you can click on Remove All to remove any new pages it has inserted. Contact me if there are any problems. Cheers, Roger -- Roger Noble rgnoble@ntlworld.com roger.g.noble@manchester.ac.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 10:58:38 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M24OJ-3eXVbs-02-9mO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:58:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M24OJ-3eXVbs-02-9mO; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:16:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M24OJ-3eXVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:16:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M24OC-0000sd-0h for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:16:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E0BCC3F5B1; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:15:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VKQhUcaxyLwO; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5CCFC3F5BA; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 May 2009 10:15:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1819BC3F36D for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:15:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TvGpYZP+7o14 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wagenaar.nu (mail.wagenaar.nu [81.58.62.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D097C3EDCE for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wagenaar.nu (mail.wagenaar.nu [127.0.0.1]) by mail.wagenaar.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC796AC2 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:15:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.6] (roelof [192.168.0.6]) by mail.wagenaar.nu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F31433 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:15:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 16:15:09 +0200 From: Roel Wagenaar To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS as "?" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <244ebc5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <6f8caf5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5057b9b08dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <244ebc5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: Thuis User-Agent: Gemini/2.29m (Qt/3.3.8b) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AV-Checked: ClamAV op mail.wagenaar.nu via ClamSMTP op Thu May 7 16:15:10 2009 +0200 (CEST) X-archive-position: 1535 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roel@familie-wagenaar.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=i8RF4R3u4ywA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=VGUipbxsAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dVlBbWhltRPlAONGP48A:9 a=pPFmDQB4jVwDFfWQ5ZEA:7 a=Mzqw-bkKef4zwaymk8KxfWow3gkA:4 a=_y9fH074zE0A:10 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=QdMiSIytLAHY3zhi:21 a=wcMGb_50hYXLnkhj:21 Jim Nagel wrote: > Chris Johnson wrote on 7 May: > > > In article <6f8caf5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, > > Jim Nagel wrote: > > > in the process SparkFS on the iconbar has become a grey folder with a > > > big black "?" on it. never seen this before. it's still there after > > > reboot. > > > > what does this mean, and what do i need to do to put it back to > > > normal? > > > It means the SparkFS icon has not been loaded. It presumably means the > > filer is no longer iconspriting the !sprites file (or 4sprites/5sprites > > as appropriate) ... > > no, !SparkFS /has/ found its iconsprites file. in its 4Sprites22 file i > see icons for !sparkfs (the familiar one with the lightning flash across a > grey folder), but also !sparkfs1 (a folder with an up&down arrow), > !sparkfs2 (the one i'm seeing, with "?"), and !sparkfs3 (with three horiz > lines, like an I Ching symbol). > > what are these, and how do i get back to the normal one? > > Try ALT or CTRL clicking on the icon-bar icon, IIRC that is a manner of switching between modes of SparkFS. -- Roel Wagenaar. E-mail: roel@familie-wagenaar.nl Thuis-pagina: http://www.familie-wagenaar.nl Linux-User #469851 with the Linux Counter The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 10:58:38 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M24Pk-2RRknw-08-9kx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:58:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M24Pk-2RRknw-08-9kx; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:17:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M24Pk-2RRknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:17:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M24Pj-0003yw-Ek for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:17:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB635C3F548; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:17:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e2SVZ+g1FF8a; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F6B6C3F537; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 May 2009 10:16:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 418C5C3F5E7 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:16:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xghXQUTmmhUv for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.14]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7154AC3F464 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-20-227.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.20.227] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1M24P2-0009l1-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:16:48 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: how to make heading start at top of page [OPro---] To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 15:16:40 +0100 Message-ID: <251abe5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <28950f4e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <2b96b95750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <2ea7bc5750.rgn@iyonix.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <2ea7bc5750.rgn@iyonix.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1536 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kEtqwc-i6WcA:10 a=B36Qrp5s_JQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=XF4LChDFywZ30i1KMNkA:9 a=pGsOm9e8AZQBqBtiYLIA:7 a=pAsA3ZfRP6qj82gjt9wo7rivp2UA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=jWjoOMnK38ychPfc:21 a=i_ixfq3lY2j1rtKc:21 Roger Noble wrote on 7 May: > Jim Nagel wrote: >> many thanks to those who offered suggestions on this at the time. >> since then i have discovered (on Chris Johnson's site, i think) the >> applet !Headings (Roger Noble, 2001) which seems to do the trick. >> it has a facility to add various attributes -- "Top", in this case -- >> to any heading style. > That would be !Together .... :-) you're right! !Together (also by said Roger Noble, 2001). rather unintuitive name for what i want to do in this situation. but next i intend to try the tricks offered by your !headings applet. > ... Contact me if there are any problems. thanks. glad you're around! i wasn't sure if the 2001 ".ac" email address given at the bottom of the applet would still be valid, since students tend to move on. i'm in final throes of producing a 300-page book as an OPro novice. -- >>> no need to reply my entire message back to me ;=] Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd (01458) 83 3603 Glastonbury BA6 9JG To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 10:58:38 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M24Us-0bOknw-03-9fp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:58:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M24Us-0bOknw-03-9fp; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:22:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M24Us-0bOknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:22:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M24Us-0002ON-77 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:22:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D5CAC3F464; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fCu3O6Re-GMt; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15F4DC3F578; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 May 2009 10:22:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82F55C3F5F8 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:22:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JUBi6pl-92W8 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.12]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43CFBC3F5BA for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-20-227.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.20.227] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1M24UF-0001sQ-CS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:22:11 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS as "?" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 15:22:28 +0100 Message-ID: <22a2be5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <6f8caf5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5057b9b08dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <244ebc5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1537 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=i8RF4R3u4ywA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=6Lts6QFAOVmEkfd934oA:9 a=lYXIQtSdPUYKrWRSEHcA:7 a=9_1Dj4iWzP-WIwSbCaI8E7HQ6hAA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=iAkF8TTUBpciucbp:21 a=oP9bGFZ9VRlkO7RP:21 Roel Wagenaar wrote on 7 May: > Jim Nagel wrote: >> no, !SparkFS /has/ found its iconsprites file. in its 4Sprites22 file i >> see icons for !sparkfs (the familiar one with the lightning flash across a >> grey folder), but also !sparkfs1 (a folder with an up&down arrow), >> !sparkfs2 (the one i'm seeing, with "?"), and !sparkfs3 (with three horiz >> lines, like an I Ching symbol). >> >> what are these, and how do i get back to the normal one? > Try ALT or CTRL clicking on the icon-bar icon, IIRC that is a manner of > switching between modes of SparkFS. ah, yes. Shift-click does it. thanks. OK, now this is news to me. what ARE these "modes of SparkFS" which i seem to have stumbled upon? is there a manual or helpfile that i should have? as i said earlier, all i have is the various Readme files, which i always stash inside an app for future ref. -- >>> no need to reply my entire message back to me ;=] Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 10:58:38 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M24y0-43zko0-03-ppH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:58:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M24y0-43zko0-03-ppH; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:53:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M24y0-43zko0-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:53:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M24rm-0002n6-SE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:46:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E651AC3F1E2; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:45:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5ikODPXsvIqM; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DF5EC3F188; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 May 2009 10:45:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DDF4C3F1E2 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:45:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K1FXm8UMk0Ru for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CAEAC3F1C4 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:45:11 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAMuQAkrUnw4R/2dsb2JhbADRQYQDBQ Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net ([212.159.14.17]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 07 May 2009 15:44:56 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1M24qF-0004NY-4O for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:44:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 15:44:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS as "?" Message-ID: <5057c0a0cachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <6f8caf5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5057b9b08dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <244ebc5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <244ebc5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: e0b424c9de708973b2dd67b15336212a X-archive-position: 1538 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5tyofaTwcEC7tFiND88A:9 a=8VK4c8KM9QldBHZjVkkA:7 a=rvXrRaEZO3L7LTqvV2k-3NI9DMQA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=YQeGyoy39_YlDbFb:21 a=xgHRVIGFB_Dtfsib:21 In article <244ebc5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel wrote: > no, !SparkFS /has/ found its iconsprites file. in its 4Sprites22 file > i see icons for !sparkfs (the familiar one with the lightning flash > across a grey folder), but also !sparkfs1 (a folder with an up&down > arrow), !sparkfs2 (the one i'm seeing, with "?"), and !sparkfs3 (with > three horiz lines, like an I Ching symbol). > what are these, and how do i get back to the normal one? What do you mean by the 'normal' one? These are different sets of sprites for RISC OS 3 (!Sprites/22), RISC OS 4 (4sprites/22) and RISC OS 5 (5spritesnn). Which one is iconsprited depends on the OS version and is checked in the first line of the !Boot and !Run files. I see you are using 4.39, so it should pick up the 4sprites22 file. Note for David: I suppose it should also check for RISC OS 6, at the moment the RISC OS 5 sprites would be loaded on RISC OS 6 which might upset one or two users 8o) Chris -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 10:58:39 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M250T-1fyknw-04-9AE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:58:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M250T-1fyknw-04-9AE; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:55:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M250T-1fyknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:55:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M250H-0002gW-1I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 14:55:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31913C3F7F1; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:52:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cwj1gkcpDnP5; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 753C0C3F7F0; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 May 2009 10:52:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C94D0C3EEB4 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:52:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XAQSXMgCtLOM for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD1D9C3F615 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 10:51:44 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAD2SAkrUnw4R/2dsb2JhbADRSYQDBQ Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net ([212.159.14.17]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 07 May 2009 15:51:35 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1M24wg-0007Ol-RE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 07 May 2009 15:51:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 15:51:20 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS as "?" Message-ID: <5057c146f9chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <6f8caf5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> References: <6f8caf5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 3a37c99ff0f4b00a81c7889c937a407a X-archive-position: 1539 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=i8RF4R3u4ywA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nQ5feU7GUtdzzJROqRkA:9 a=hXqwOBrOnyl9iwEoK4IA:7 a=ehr4XvrhZvqZZAUIj56VMvkuMKgA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=3DmOKnLXyNY9SmwE:21 a=3WHP-YXHCj9opjZ0:21 In article <6f8caf5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel wrote: > in the process SparkFS on the iconbar has become a grey folder with a > big black "?" on it. never seen this before. it's still there after > reboot. Sorry Jim - I misinterpreted what you were saying. I thought you were meaning the 'unknown or no sprite' app icon. Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 10:58:40 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M28G2-07kGPo-04-ERB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:58:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M28G2-07kGPo-04-ERB; Thu, 07 May 2009 18:23:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M28G2-07kGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 18:23:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M28Ft-0004Cl-AU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 18:23:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C233C404EA; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:23:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TQhOcbStEtX0; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 990BCC40531; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 May 2009 14:22:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2FF9C404EA for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:22:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tXfbMEIxv6-m for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F237DC40376 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 14:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090507182217.WPTE19776.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:22:17 +0100 Received: from iyonix.iyonix.ntlworld.com ([86.3.144.5]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20090507182216.JCHM21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 19:22:16 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: how to make heading start at top of page [OPro---] To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Noble X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:22:08 +0100 Message-ID: <5093d45750.rgn@iyonix.ntlworld.com> References: <28950f4e50.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <2b96b95750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <2ea7bc5750.rgn@iyonix.ntlworld.com> <251abe5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <251abe5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zlK4-Y_4Sc0A:10 a=eo8iOcJ8yj0A:10 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=qx0WVkawAAAA:8 a=4Ft2GY1c_o2ePyelZQwA:9 a=lw1BZz5FRIkdBIBIKsPGXbptW8kA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=i3rG_0ATWNe3EiJm:21 a=Hsf48QsRF8Wm2U8K:21 X-archive-position: 1540 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rgnoble@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kEtqwc-i6WcA:10 a=B36Qrp5s_JQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=qx0WVkawAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4Ft2GY1c_o2ePyelZQwA:9 a=LVv40YR8-GI1JjedgU8A:7 a=lw1BZz5FRIkdBIBIKsPGXbptW8kA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=dlQ9_JjdUC8J6Gkh:21 a=HOGc9R-jxS-F-is1:21 Jim Nagel wrote: > Roger Noble wrote on 7 May: >> ... Contact me if there are any problems. > thanks. glad you're around! i wasn't sure if the 2001 ".ac" email > address given at the bottom of the applet would still be valid, since > students tend to move on. It was a long time ago when I was a student ... > i'm in final throes of producing a 300-page book as an OPro novice. So you should be an expert by the time that you have finished. Cheers, Roger -- Roger Noble rgnoble@ntlworld.com roger.g.noble@manchester.ac.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 10:58:41 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M29zS-3yX000-07-Chl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 10:58:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M29zS-3yX000-07-Chl; Thu, 07 May 2009 20:14:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M29zS-3yX000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 20:14:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M29zR-0004Dt-Bt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 07 May 2009 20:14:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BEB70C3F8AB; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:14:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4ygdeAxXaYDr; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14236C3FF7B; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 07 May 2009 16:14:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5250FC3F429 for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:14:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f+Qa5Binynbn for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (sidious.london.02.net [82.132.130.152]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8AA7C3F64A for ; Thu, 7 May 2009 16:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riscpc.o2.co.uk (93.97.148.139) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.0.013.3) (authenticated as mytardis@o2.co.uk) id 4A01A110006E59D7 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 7 May 2009 21:14:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS as "?" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 21:10:05 +0100 Message-ID: <5575de5750.chris@o2.co.uk> References: <6f8caf5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5057b9b08dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <244ebc5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <22a2be5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <22a2be5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.43S) (RISC-OS/6.16) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1541 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@noonehere.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=i8RF4R3u4ywA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=S28bqkVHVDAPRpiNJRkA:9 a=EpVrSt7KTevQG42a1c0A:7 a=547dWsCrbDFRquZZ67xuyx8VO0kA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=Kx6raA_vkD26os3d:21 a=1vYK6n643QORAgXM:21 In message <22a2be5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> Jim Nagel wrote: > Roel Wagenaar wrote on 7 May: >> Jim Nagel wrote: >>> no, !SparkFS /has/ found its iconsprites file. in its 4Sprites22 file i >>> see icons for !sparkfs (the familiar one with the lightning flash across a >>> grey folder), but also !sparkfs1 (a folder with an up&down arrow), >>> !sparkfs2 (the one i'm seeing, with "?"), and !sparkfs3 (with three horiz >>> lines, like an I Ching symbol). >>> >>> what are these, and how do i get back to the normal one? >> Try ALT or CTRL clicking on the icon-bar icon, IIRC that is a manner of >> switching between modes of SparkFS. > ah, yes. Shift-click does it. thanks. > OK, now this is news to me. what ARE these "modes of SparkFS" which i > seem to have stumbled upon? > is there a manual or helpfile that i should have? as i said earlier, > all i have is the various Readme files, which i always stash inside an > app for future ref. You should the printed manual -- Chris Hughes To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 11:28:31 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M2NAB-0N8000-01-Ga4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 11:28:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M2NAB-0N8000-01-Ga4; Fri, 08 May 2009 10:18:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M2NAB-0N8000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 May 2009 10:18:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M2NAA-0000Gd-5t for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 May 2009 10:18:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7CC16C3F87B; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:18:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ztB3Zj+Xmy6l; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AF57C3FE29; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 May 2009 06:18:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD0D3C3F87B for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:18:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C5mzccpJ34f9 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65E13C3FBAB for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 06:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1M2N9Z-0005Pc-mR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 10:18:05 +0000 Message-ID: <$gf1R9BNaABKFwfO@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 11:16:45 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS as "?" References: <6f8caf5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5057b9b08dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <244ebc5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <22a2be5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <22a2be5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1542 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=i8RF4R3u4ywA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=QTIRUJh1vv4DuhWmsr0A:9 a=TjrHSGnVz8-jSg6IL4QA:7 a=hF8MOxedb5MWgvSeS3UIUeMf9cQA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=GI6z-i5xTvgJbbNo:21 a=FqvBZedOXF4iHXeB:21 In message <22a2be5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel writes >is there a manual or helpfile that i should have? as i said earlier, >all i have is the various Readme files, which i always stash inside an >app for future ref. AFAIK documentation for SparkFS is the printed manual plus the *single* ReadMe file. That read me should be easy enough to search through with a text editor. You can drag and drop files on the SparkFS icon bar icon - however by holding down the shift and control keys you can control what happens when you do. (at which point read the manual to find out the options). Someone said "oh its tedious having to keep holding down the shift keys when I want to convert lots of files". So I added a way of locking the icon bar icon mode. The ReadMe says this: "It has been possible for a long time to lock the SparkFS icon bar mode by clicking the icon bar icon with SHIFT+Adjust. This allows you to gain the effect of e.g. CONTROL+Drag a file without pressing the CONTROL key. This setting is now saved when SparkFS choices are saved." Not one of my best efforts at documentation... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 12:43:34 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M2OJO-0GoVbs-04-FQr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:43:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M2OJO-0GoVbs-04-FQr; Fri, 08 May 2009 11:32:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M2OJO-0GoVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 May 2009 11:32:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M2OJL-0002t4-JO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 May 2009 11:32:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D4BAC401B0; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:32:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RI5gGAu1HsTj; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDE11C40289; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 May 2009 07:31:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A19FCC401B0 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:31:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4q+QCKC8n+tA for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net (smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net [212.135.6.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4757C4018F for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 07:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bb-87-82-20-227.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.20.227] helo=Nails.nails.ukonline.co.uk) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1M2OIb-0004Kk-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 12:31:29 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS as "?" To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jim Nagel X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 12:26:34 +0100 Message-ID: References: <6f8caf5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5057b9b08dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <244ebc5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <22a2be5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <$gf1R9BNaABKFwfO@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$gf1R9BNaABKFwfO@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1543 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@abbeypress.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=i8RF4R3u4ywA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=z6EUak2pAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=6WXY20nsUfHQ45Bmbl4A:9 a=ULuml3jyPAlBhMQdVh4A:7 a=8sBo7rpcWnC0FE_A8XZXY1pAue8A:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=dWXIIM9NQpYMlnlq:21 a=nZ_97UuMSaiw0sfw:21 David Pilling wrote on 8 May: > In message <22a2be5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk>, Jim Nagel > writes >>is there a manual or helpfile that i should have? as i said earlier, >>all i have is the various Readme files, which i always stash inside an >>app for future ref. > AFAIK documentation for SparkFS is the printed manual plus the *single* > ReadMe file.... over the years i've stashed all the successive Readmes as the various upgrades came. i see now that they're cumulative and i can ditch the older ones. any chance of obtaining the printed manual as a file, please? (as OPro?) then i can follow my usual habit and stash it too within the app, where i can find it easily when i need it (which is obviously read-once-then-refer-rarely). the printed one will be here /somewhere/, probably in that cupboard behind the pile of boxes and clutter (groan) that will collapse if i start digging. -- >>> no need to reply my entire message back to me ;=] Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 15:33:45 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M2PoN-1r8knw-06-Dvs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:33:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M2PoN-1r8knw-06-Dvs; Fri, 08 May 2009 13:08:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M2PoN-1r8knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 May 2009 13:08:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M2PoM-0000qn-K0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 May 2009 13:08:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D89CC3F4F9; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:08:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lxcf1p4X8g-z; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96C46C4044C; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 May 2009 09:07:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23ECFC403D8 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:07:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EZnzvDi55tQ0 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD8B7C403D7 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 09:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1M2Pnl-0006IA-iG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 13:07:45 +0000 Message-ID: <0TtH9RHG6CBKFw8p@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:07:18 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS as "?" References: <6f8caf5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <5057b9b08dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <244ebc5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <22a2be5750.jim@nails.ukonline.co.uk> <$gf1R9BNaABKFwfO@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1544 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=i8RF4R3u4ywA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lCbXUKvpAAAA:8 a=KFouzN55AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=NUPJUcCygTucnoZde8AA:7 a=Puw-K7Rk1ty0evATYCjmqfO5LhEA:4 a=CMvcxvSq9gQA:10 a=ZHN7ICrWe8Pk_OVp:21 a=Yo-fKNzeNXOzn1qU:21 Hi, In message , Jim Nagel writes >any chance of obtaining the printed manual as a file, please? (as >OPro?) I've just emailed it to you - happy days when one imagined that a paper manual stopped piracy. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 18:03:49 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M2TJc-2oFGPo-04-AQd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:03:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M2TJc-2oFGPo-04-AQd; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:52:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M2TJc-2oFGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:52:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M2TJY-0006XT-Ou for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 May 2009 16:52:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B451C40E70; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:52:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zT3oR-bW5NA6; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29D5AC40962; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 May 2009 12:52:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2F08C40E90 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:52:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DPCs8MC44HjY for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.adsl24.co.uk (pluto.adsl24.co.uk [84.234.17.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DB7BC40EB2 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 12:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [78.32.69.229] (helo=Iyonix) by pluto.adsl24.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M2TIp-0000NI-3D for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:52:03 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] SPrinter problem with Printers 1.75 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:51:22 +0100 Message-ID: <201a505850.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - pluto.adsl24.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianhowlett.me.uk X-archive-position: 1545 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=K-YzPW807IoA:10 a=h1d-tXt4q2UA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GtbB0K6HHCW_M5CHjWoA:9 a=T3K413sjp7eqGrjlVrMA:7 a=1A8-WCu1Aj3jfWvd7ptTEyXySNcA:4 Hi Has anyone got !SPrinter working with Printers 1.75? I get "Printer dumper PDumperSP called with escape disabled" here. That's after first getting " may have gone wrong" errors, with a choice of cancel or continue. I've managed to spectacularly crash Fireworkz32 trying this, but not all applications fail quite so badly. -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------ "Fish - visionary genius, or just a big haddie?" To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 18:33:50 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M2Tl0-304000-04-9zF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 18:33:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M2Tl0-304000-04-9zF; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:21:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M2Tl0-304000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:21:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M2Tkz-0007nS-KX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 May 2009 17:21:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C9ADC3F74B; Fri, 8 May 2009 13:21:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YNNOp+9xU2eG; Fri, 8 May 2009 13:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FD8CC40A9B; Fri, 8 May 2009 13:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 May 2009 13:20:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81405C40670 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 13:20:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x0lKs18GXHIS for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 13:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.64]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 982C0C400E0 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 13:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67825 invoked from network); 8 May 2009 17:20:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Subject:To:From:X-Editor:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To:X-Organization:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=YCXTiYLtx2/pjr7Fo1k1YLklln7HF0r1iRgyQ0Szxv0z57CV/OoHNkIWAooLCF7Tv609eVm+xsjcq3rWEOCnULk+PuguLoEwkRCug3zlL2pYQhwOQ6NkD6SDKbU+SB0tGQ6Nnk74eqM3TGRkNjIIItF7qEeIUEZ8mLKA3cD3qqg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO iyonix.btinternet.com) (doug.j.webb@81.129.63.90 with login) by smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2009 17:20:30 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter problem with Printers 1.75 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Doug Webb X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 18:20:05 +0100 Message-ID: <2cbb525850.dougjwebb@btinternet.com> References: <201a505850.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <201a505850.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1546 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: doug.j.webb@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eB-WPFeDdkwA:10 a=hzNkM3i_-g4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=HCrCHVouAAAA:8 a=SWMmumL4AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2N62U_XCngB2PuwqipYA:9 a=2BmVF6G_ROJOnWmYzpkA:7 a=J28fIS28t_cp74mhBGZ2X6iIaiMA:4 a=ehEBtLSpjVj2iDNV:21 a=UQY8V3eHadAGFELz:21 In message <201a505850.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> Brian Howlett wrote: > Hi > Has anyone got !SPrinter working with Printers 1.75? I get "Printer > dumper PDumperSP called with escape disabled" here. > That's after first getting " may > have gone wrong" errors, with a choice of cancel or continue. > I've managed to spectacularly crash Fireworkz32 trying this, but not > all applications fail quite so badly. Had this issue myself and that is because there is PDumperSP module in 1.75 that has the same name as David Pillings module and it overwrites it. Just look in !Printers.PDumpers and load the PDumperSP module in to a text editor and check if it says PDumper 0.01 in which is the correct one. If not re-install David Pillings version I reported this to ROOL a while back and they were looking in to it and were going to contact David. Doug -- Using an IYONIX pc and RISC OS 5.14, the thinking person's alternative operating system to Microsoft Windows. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 19:33:53 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M2Upd-0lc000-05-8uc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 19:33:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M2Upd-0lc000-05-8uc; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:30:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M2Upd-0lc000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:30:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M2UpY-0001pd-KB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 May 2009 18:30:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9639C40164; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E-jtTwyFF4+Y; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E921C3FD2B; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 May 2009 14:29:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3CD7C404CE for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:29:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E7xNnz7sJVAm for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.adsl24.co.uk (pluto.adsl24.co.uk [84.234.17.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADC09C3FAFB for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 14:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [78.32.69.229] (helo=Iyonix) by pluto.adsl24.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M2Uov-0003l6-N1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 19:29:17 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter problem with Printers 1.75 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 19:26:42 +0100 Message-ID: <9dd4585850.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> References: <201a505850.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> <2cbb525850.dougjwebb@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <2cbb525850.dougjwebb@btinternet.com> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - pluto.adsl24.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianhowlett.me.uk X-archive-position: 1547 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eB-WPFeDdkwA:10 a=hzNkM3i_-g4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=SWMmumL4AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DOpO5jK6zl2gIY9BoYMA:9 a=UxQX-Rwva6oljF47RDgA:7 a=IIvQXeEs2T52Cst9YAaI-bu0CnYA:4 On 8 May, Doug Webb wrote: > Brian Howlett wrote: >> Hi >> Has anyone got !SPrinter working with Printers 1.75? I get "Printer >> dumper PDumperSP called with escape disabled" here. [snip] > Had this issue myself and that is because there is PDumperSP module in > 1.75 that has the same name as David Pillings module and it overwrites > it. > Just look in !Printers.PDumpers and load the PDumperSP module in to a > text editor and check if it says PDumper 0.01 in which is the correct > one. If not re-install David Pillings version [snip] That's it - reinstalling PDumperSP sorted it, thanks. -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------------------------ Last year I went fishing with Salvador Dali. He was using a dotted line. He caught every other fish. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 21:03:55 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M2W5L-1cLknw-05-GBQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 21:03:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M2W5L-1cLknw-05-GBQ; Fri, 08 May 2009 19:50:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M2W5L-1cLknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 May 2009 19:50:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M2W5L-00024s-IQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 May 2009 19:50:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B35AC4085D; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:50:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ulNP4eNvhEmz; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97DFCC40843; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 May 2009 15:49:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05C42C40685 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:49:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9JZiv7e58DRj for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A62B1C4069A for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 15:49:43 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAEAqBErUnw4T/2dsb2JhbADRIoN9BQ Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net ([212.159.14.19]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 08 May 2009 20:49:42 +0100 Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1M2W4j-0004LQ-UW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:49:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 20:49:25 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] SPrinter problem with Printers 1.75 Message-ID: <50586066f2evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> References: <201a505850.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> <2cbb525850.dougjwebb@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <2cbb525850.dougjwebb@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: c22483a433edb94221918a0340a5d648 X-archive-position: 1548 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=K-YzPW807IoA:10 a=h1d-tXt4q2UA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=HmCT5iXHAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=crILlig1GVbHIQuq3fsA:9 a=u7eXupMxBuIzmE9ModwA:7 a=6l6IH2kfIdvpLmzErESsl2XlNFkA:4 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 In article <2cbb525850.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>, Doug Webb wrote: > Just look in !Printers.PDumpers and load the PDumperSP module in to a > text editor and check if it says PDumper 0.01 in which is the correct > one. If not re-install David Pillings version I have DPs version in Choices:Printers.PDumpers, from where it is loaded in preference. There's little doubt I put it there on the advice of someone much more knowledgeable than me. Evan. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 8 21:48:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M2Wli-1HoGPo-07-FV3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 21:48:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M2Wli-1HoGPo-07-FV3; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:34:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M2Wli-1HoGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:34:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M2Wlh-0000Yy-OZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:34:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3544EC4086A; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:34:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JpgUT0DBFSIl; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7EE4C40848; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 May 2009 16:33:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3BC7C4086A for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:33:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 90iP-YO4XS5F for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EA21C40861 for ; Fri, 8 May 2009 16:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1M2Wl7-0000nJ-h4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 20:33:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:31:52 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter problem with Printers 1.75 References: <201a505850.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> <2cbb525850.dougjwebb@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <2cbb525850.dougjwebb@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1549 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eB-WPFeDdkwA:10 a=hzNkM3i_-g4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=HmCT5iXHAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OgZORFQnmtn5nomsN3AA:9 a=_OEsUKOISPb_lIEXL3sA:7 a=VAvWVPtx9xo2d6og1yLoXEJjDloA:4 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 a=V8wtq1W0V0XomXDY:21 a=Hkvi4SeDeQ6aSRoC:21 In message <2cbb525850.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>, Doug Webb writes >Had this issue myself and that is because there is PDumperSP module in >1.75 that has the same name as David Pillings module and it overwrites >it. Now you mention it, I recall this being discussed on this list. I've just tried but failed to find the discussion in the archives. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 10 18:04:27 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M3CPA-47yVbs-04-GUB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 18:04:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M3CPA-47yVbs-04-GUB; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:01:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M3CPA-47yVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:01:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M3CPA-0006iX-7l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:01:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94555C41620; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:01:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SlObFzoz7bHh; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30F6DC416D4; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 10 May 2009 13:01:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4E88C41620 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:01:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FXPZDsCrXBcI for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B286C415D3 for ; Sun, 10 May 2009 13:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [212.225.105.233] (helo=Merlin.nom) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH joyces) (Exim 4.69) id 1M3COZ-0003Qi-gg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 10 May 2009 17:00:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve Joyce To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:56:11 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SPrinter problem with Printers 1.75 Message-ID: <50595836f1Steve@joyces.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2cbb525850.dougjwebb@btinternet.com> References: <201a505850.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> <2cbb525850.dougjwebb@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1550 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Steve@joyces.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eB-WPFeDdkwA:10 a=hzNkM3i_-g4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=HmCT5iXHAAAA:8 a=HCrCHVouAAAA:8 a=SWMmumL4AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=SuRIxyHcizGg5tR9O1cA:9 a=Rt3TAT3TISOReZNi6voA:7 a=VdQAR8ZKB46wnB6CybBPVq_QpC4A:4 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 a=ek-OTqf64SK31zd-:21 a=ex9gj23AGzBDEQUV:21 In article <2cbb525850.dougjwebb@btinternet.com>, Doug Webb wrote: > In message <201a505850.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> > Brian Howlett wrote: > > Hi > > Has anyone got !SPrinter working with Printers 1.75? I get "Printer > > dumper PDumperSP called with escape disabled" here. > > That's after first getting " may > > have gone wrong" errors, with a choice of cancel or continue. > > I've managed to spectacularly crash Fireworkz32 trying this, but not > > all applications fail quite so badly. > Had this issue myself and that is because there is PDumperSP module in > 1.75 that has the same name as David Pillings module and it overwrites > it. > Just look in !Printers.PDumpers and load the PDumperSP module in to a > text editor and check if it says PDumper 0.01 in which is the correct > one. If not re-install David Pillings version > I reported this to ROOL a while back and they were looking in to it > and were going to contact David. > Doug Unsurprisingly, I had the same problem, and found the same solution after much cursing and faffing about. Did also report the problem but heard nothing. Although perhaps not the place to mention it - I also had problems trying to install a Postscript PDF for HP1200 LJ with !Printers 1.75. I managed to do so (also after much faffing) only by squashing the PDF first. Installing !Printers 1.75 was not a pleasant experience. Now seems ok apart from the iconbar printer icon being labelled 'Paused' when not printing. 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Mon, 25 May 2009 11:06:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:03:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Win OvPro Message-ID: <5060ebfb1bdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1552 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wnV6hdC6-rs7zfQHybQA:9 a=JU9OaQEp4Zh_KE_PYB0A:7 a=TV7_Odm5Bty28-nD3vcAA_QPbiwA:4 Simple question. Has anyone else installed Win OvPro on Linux under WINE? I have it installed on Ubuntu 9.04 and WINE, generally works, but a few difficulties are encountered which I'd like to discuss. Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 25 12:28:07 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M8YLD-1rt000-07-H0G.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:28:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M8YLD-1rt000-07-H0G; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:27:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M8YLD-1rt000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:27:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M8YL8-00001U-JH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:27:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C6D5C4E496; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:27:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8miuQE119sde; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E524DC4C338; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 May 2009 07:26:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14CFDC4E496 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:26:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B8IE6-mRsn3I for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E710EC4D852 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 07:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1M8YK2-0002cB-gq for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 11:26:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 12:24:58 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro References: <5060ebfb1bdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5060ebfb1bdave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1553 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NjJofL1U0egz3tX-Bs0A:9 a=5ZsbIhdgm_lCe7z30kQA:7 a=ajagGX2E-XBf0O6rh6t6w97ptjcA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=J73ogeW3vLhNtt9q:21 a=Yz9D8EK4hYjQaz0u:21 In message <5060ebfb1bdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Has anyone else installed Win OvPro on Linux under WINE? Yes people have done this, and reported their results here. Around three years ago I installed Linux on a computer to tackle the issues, that was the high water mark, as far as I got. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 25 14:43:11 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M8aG5-10sVbs-07-F5O.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:43:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M8aG5-10sVbs-07-F5O; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:30:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M8aG5-10sVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:30:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M8aG4-0002vN-F3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 May 2009 13:30:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD7EAC4E9B1; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:30:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pU9i4apM1tmC; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49BB0C4E9AD; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 May 2009 09:29:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D560C4E9AC for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:29:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tfkkutGA5-B2 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09E8CC4E9B4 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 09:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-216-208.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.216.208]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4PDTgIN015975 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 14:29:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 13:57:27 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Message-ID: <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5060ebfb1bdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1554 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=jr29C2gNMRuAweshPPsA:9 a=CxkKDvrRZEHqayE9hhYA:7 a=a4rTKjui0VqjcxXlFcbA5QjrzAoA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=hXLPzfXcdfvZ2XjA:21 a=wGeVNoP96Sa8UNZE:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <5060ebfb1bdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >Has anyone else installed Win OvPro on Linux under WINE? > Yes people have done this, and reported their results here. > Around three years ago I installed Linux on a computer to tackle the > issues, that was the high water mark, as far as I got. Not really suprised... I have a number of applications in regular use that I just cannot work without, Win OvPro being one of them. I've been using some of my bank holiday time seeing just how many of them can be run under Ubuntu/WINE, and to be quite honest about it, while I can get a number of them installed, and run to the screen, they are very limited in what they'll actually do. It seems that anything that runs scripts of one sort or another is doomed to failure. Ah Well! Stuck with RO and MS Windows for eternity. Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon May 25 17:13:21 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M8ccU-1wqGPo-02-Ciz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 17:13:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M8ccU-1wqGPo-02-Ciz; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:01:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M8ccU-1wqGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:01:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M8ccU-0002nW-10 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:01:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75AB9C4B15E; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:01:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pJpzKZisrvzW; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0B64C4988B; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 25 May 2009 12:01:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2C7DC4B15E for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:01:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NrcTll5SJYm2 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BC8CC498D5 for ; Mon, 25 May 2009 12:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1M8cbt-0003iQ-au for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:01:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:59:34 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro References: <5060ebfb1bdave@triffid.co.uk> <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1555 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ATCKyiPz2qrWFDe5wbsA:9 a=esl4zV2dyBzCgYoRvEkA:7 a=dt-fqZ2rq4VfzocbLloy4hiInf4A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=0NNmnewO-sEUMC6A:21 a=2BlPLvC4GnQNJe9q:21 In message <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Ah Well! Stuck with RO and MS Windows for eternity. >Dave That is one of the jokes, I would cheerfully throw away Windows, but I use OP and there is no Linux version of it, I also can program most effectively on Windows. I know I could move to Linux (or the Mac) but it would take a lot of time and effort. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 26 11:39:17 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M8qTD-0eFVbs-06-FvI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:39:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M8qTD-0eFVbs-06-FvI; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:49:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M8qTD-0eFVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:49:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M8qTD-0005Ff-3y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:49:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9276EC4D51E; Tue, 26 May 2009 02:49:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vv8mraDoLAQv; Tue, 26 May 2009 02:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F04DC4D6BD; Tue, 26 May 2009 02:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 May 2009 02:48:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E860C4D51E for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 02:48:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tgCOknbB-5-e for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 02:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1313C4D57B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 02:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-213-9.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.213.9]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4Q6mN2L029639 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 07:48:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 07:47:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Win OvPro Message-ID: <50615de43fdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-archive-position: 1556 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=iMF4zglyF_FhH7cjEjIA:9 a=6WqS86eAZ0DkzJ3Z76MA:7 a=OfZ_CaJZ8X0bnVu-D1cqHJ-zewQA:4 A footnote to my expedition up the WINE river. I've now Uninstalled OvPro (And other Win apps) on the Ubuntu/Wine machine which then presented a Linux/Ubuntu BUG (I though the Zealots all insist that Linux is the PERFECT OS). The bug is... You uninstall applications, but they remain in the menu structure, they aren't auto excised as they should be... Requiring a manual delete. ;-) Apparently it is a known and reported bug 10277. So I guess, for serious work, back to RISC OS and MS-Windows. Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 26 11:39:19 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M8sMV-3Pg000-01-E20.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:39:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M8sMV-3Pg000-01-E20; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:50:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M8sMV-3Pg000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:50:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M8sMU-0002d9-VB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:50:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 686D5C4E8C0; Tue, 26 May 2009 04:50:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9LZlCusBZiag; Tue, 26 May 2009 04:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE801C4E7BE; Tue, 26 May 2009 04:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 May 2009 04:49:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B7AFC4E8C0 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 04:49:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qeinLznznsBY for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 04:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.159]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1A2CC4E82F for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 04:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3431.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 84CC07000087 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:49:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rachael.local (unknown [91.104.207.166]) by mwinf3431.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 606B47000084 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:49:42 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090526084942395.606B47000084@mwinf3431.me.freeserve.com From: Mark Fraser To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:49:45 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <50615de43fdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50615de43fdave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> X-archive-position: 1557 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=UjKURdNQE0cM_K-y-CcA:9 a=bJ3MRXRO4aB3GNYWK90A:7 a=mXEdaiL6LiHq8ZeohjQSBAmCHJsA:4 On Tuesday 26 May 2009 07:47:49 Dave Symes wrote: > A footnote to my expedition up the WINE river. > > I've now Uninstalled OvPro (And other Win apps) on the Ubuntu/Wine machine > which then presented a Linux/Ubuntu BUG (I though the Zealots all insist > that Linux is the PERFECT OS). > > The bug is... You uninstall applications, but they remain in the menu > structure, they aren't auto excised as they should be... Requiring a > manual delete. ;-) > Apparently it is a known and reported bug 10277. > > So I guess, for serious work, back to RISC OS and MS-Windows. You could always try Linux and run Ovation Pro under RPCEmu. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 26 11:39:19 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M8tsJ-0O4000-07-CWC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:39:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M8tsJ-0O4000-07-CWC; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:27:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M8tsJ-0O4000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:27:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M8tsI-0002VG-C0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:27:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E03D4C4D5D4; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:27:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tFm0xZCcpfjb; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F630C4D3D0; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 May 2009 06:26:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E39AC4D5D4 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:26:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vnBQW+N-FSht for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BB20C4B15E for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-200-132.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.200.132]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QAQTCW032427 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:26:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:51:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Message-ID: <50616eba68dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <50615de43fdave@triffid.co.uk> <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1558 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=nuL006OFAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2xJccWwwseKZnS4ls18A:9 a=5GW7xsZgx_txwwWCKZMA:7 a=GKFUESXELaHpE_BnRz0QOrtzgAwA:4 a=Z2DZO2cn6K7athny:21 a=MjhGwY2ussiVin9k:21 In article <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>, Mark Fraser wrote: > On Tuesday 26 May 2009 07:47:49 Dave Symes wrote: [Snip] > > > > So I guess, for serious work, back to RISC OS and MS-Windows. > You could always try Linux and run Ovation Pro under RPCEmu. Mark, I'm running the latest Spoon version on the XP win machine, and while I would like to run the Linux version of RPCEmu, I have no idea what all this compiling stuff is about. If there was a downloadable like Spoon, then I'd be there. Thanks for your thoughts. Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 26 11:54:15 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M8u4f-04e000-04-CJq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:54:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M8u4f-04e000-04-CJq; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:40:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M8u4f-04e000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:40:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M8u4f-0000Io-4G for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:40:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84D90C4EB7C; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:40:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5rvGMrryKA0n; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91DC2C4EB11; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 May 2009 06:39:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A93C9C4EB7C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:39:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yTvaVe4tjSJT for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3372DC4E937 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix.laptop.adamshome.org.uk (88-202-212-252.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.212.252]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QAdE00032655 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:39:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:39:13 +0100 Message-ID: References: <50615de43fdave@triffid.co.uk> <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <50616eba68dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50616eba68dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1559 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=nuL006OFAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=0xG4jY0sp56cjhDgm9IA:9 a=dNtd3lrZ9vF87O1gzKsA:7 a=5p2GZVAr_-e0oFBUg_WxpxjDIREA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=71_uG4qLdjfR9lHb:21 a=pLeSI2_IVwcZ1tGW:21 In message <50616eba68dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>, > Mark Fraser wrote: >> On Tuesday 26 May 2009 07:47:49 Dave Symes wrote: > [Snip] >>> >>> So I guess, for serious work, back to RISC OS and MS-Windows. >> You could always try Linux and run Ovation Pro under RPCEmu. > Mark, I'm running the latest Spoon version on the XP win machine, and > while I would like to run the Linux version of RPCEmu, I have no idea what > all this compiling stuff is about. > If there was a downloadable like Spoon, then I'd be there. I thought this was what you got with the "almost free RISC OS" CD from ROL - all you need to set up RPCemu on Linux, including instructions. I could be wrong of course - its happened before. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 26 11:54:15 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M8uHo-16T000-08-C6h.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:54:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M8uHo-16T000-08-C6h; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:53:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M8uHo-16T000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:53:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M8uHo-0000FX-0N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:53:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73999C4EB22; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:53:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LE4cQ1a4+u50; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09B05C4EBEB; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 May 2009 06:53:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1384C4EBA7 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:52:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7nJmWfyKUlzo for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.128]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 903A7C4E988 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 06:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3406.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E98F71C00085 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:52:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rachael.local (unknown [91.104.207.166]) by mwinf3406.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C1F371C00081 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:52:57 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20090526105257794.C1F371C00081@mwinf3406.me.freeserve.com From: Mark Fraser To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:53:11 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <50615de43fdave@triffid.co.uk> <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <50616eba68dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50616eba68dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905261153.11733.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> X-archive-position: 1560 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=nuL006OFAAAA:8 a=58QevfLkAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=s7arxM5ByJL3Ok82ylAA:9 a=z5E8YPe36M-q30BVuQQA:7 a=LEoVIPqJke7pOZOPI4R1uBAQHOIA:4 a=E18K7M15oc3ET6-V:21 a=DRPObUJ9c0KfawM7:21 On Tuesday 26 May 2009 10:51:43 Dave Symes wrote: > In article <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>, > > Mark Fraser wrote: > > On Tuesday 26 May 2009 07:47:49 Dave Symes wrote: > > [Snip] > > > > So I guess, for serious work, back to RISC OS and MS-Windows. > > > > You could always try Linux and run Ovation Pro under RPCEmu. > > Mark, I'm running the latest Spoon version on the XP win machine, and > while I would like to run the Linux version of RPCEmu, I have no idea what > all this compiling stuff is about. > If there was a downloadable like Spoon, then I'd be there. I just followed the instructions here: http://www.riscos.info/index.php/RPCEmu_Linux_Guide Seems to work OK, apart from not being able to get networking with 4.39 (works with 4.02). To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 26 12:09:16 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M8uV7-42e000-04-BtO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:09:16 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M8uV7-42e000-04-BtO; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:07:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M8uV7-42e000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:07:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M8uV7-0006q0-4m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:07:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 844AFC4E98E; Tue, 26 May 2009 07:07:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vnpMu9wXQCKx; Tue, 26 May 2009 07:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 173A8C4EBDA; Tue, 26 May 2009 07:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 May 2009 07:06:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D35CBC4E98E for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 07:06:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kLEysY3tQeH7 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 07:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49CD1C4E99F for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 07:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (88-134-146-143-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.146.143]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKv5w-1M8uUT49Xh-0001xY; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:06:42 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:07:22 +0200 Message-ID: <84a7756150.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <50615de43fdave@triffid.co.uk> <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <50616eba68dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX194Msqfz4cMAXLgje0OD64A8IItaCVtmoje865 /8NeEctWwiqcsoTGp8mADt++QOKG28XUG4egYXkdaUSjZkque1 Hwk32ObHsCCTkm2ZgYW8Q== X-archive-position: 1561 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=nuL006OFAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=WUIDoEcRTO3-AQhmEMQA:9 a=B0Zg7KEBcnw-DocUgecA:7 a=RoICQMdsKz7wYlZAp7nEjNauHpcA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=MrWNVD-e3_XFkSPk:21 a=jyt3XocbyFNVi1Nj:21 In message Alan Adams wrote: > In message <50616eba68dave@triffid.co.uk> > Dave Symes wrote: >> In article <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>, >> Mark Fraser wrote: >>> On Tuesday 26 May 2009 07:47:49 Dave Symes wrote: >> [Snip] >>>> >>>> So I guess, for serious work, back to RISC OS and MS-Windows. >>> You could always try Linux and run Ovation Pro under RPCEmu. >> Mark, I'm running the latest Spoon version on the XP win machine, and >> while I would like to run the Linux version of RPCEmu, I have no idea what >> all this compiling stuff is about. >> If there was a downloadable like Spoon, then I'd be there. > I thought this was what you got with the "almost free RISC OS" CD from > ROL - all you need to set up RPCemu on Linux, including instructions. No, not at all. I do not think the word Linux is even mentioned on the CD. First of all, what you get on the CD is exactly what it says on the tin: A copy of RISC OS as a ROM image plus boot sequence. There are instructions for RedSquirrel and RPCEmu (Windows) but there is no emulator software on the CD nor are there any instructions for RPCEmu for Linux. Even with such instructions present it would be far from a completely packaged solution comparable to the Spoon release. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 26 12:24:16 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M8ug0-23aknw-01-BiV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:24:16 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M8ug0-23aknw-01-BiV; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:18:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M8ug0-23aknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:18:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M8ufz-0004aj-Gs for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:18:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 023A0C4EC84; Tue, 26 May 2009 07:18:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yypM7flV9YOd; Tue, 26 May 2009 07:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86EF8C4EC2F; Tue, 26 May 2009 07:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 May 2009 07:18:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61E39C4EC67 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 07:18:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wnLuzEJ4+Y3a for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 07:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F409AC4EC5C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 07:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-200-132.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.200.132]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QBHo3B000768 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:17:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:17:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Message-ID: <50617696bedave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200905261153.11733.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> References: <50615de43fdave@triffid.co.uk> <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <50616eba68dave@triffid.co.uk> <200905261153.11733.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1562 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=nuL006OFAAAA:8 a=58QevfLkAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=q2g5HCZfurZTVYN1kAoA:9 a=R1fk0kXOf2Wc1VVKxVIA:7 a=bXmtywM68aTrtRmpqVUlBUtXd8AA:4 a=K3YfgX1LleI9RiLV:21 a=ZznvoKwl2KspaoOf:21 In article <200905261153.11733.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>, Mark Fraser wrote: > On Tuesday 26 May 2009 10:51:43 Dave Symes wrote: > > In article <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>, > > > > Mark Fraser wrote: > > > On Tuesday 26 May 2009 07:47:49 Dave Symes wrote: > > > > [Snip] > > > > > > So I guess, for serious work, back to RISC OS and MS-Windows. > > > > > > You could always try Linux and run Ovation Pro under RPCEmu. > > Mark, I'm running the latest Spoon version on the XP win machine, and > > while I would like to run the Linux version of RPCEmu, I have no idea > > what all this compiling stuff is about. If there was a downloadable > > like Spoon, then I'd be there. > I just followed the instructions here: > http://www.riscos.info/index.php/RPCEmu_Linux_Guide > Seems to work OK, apart from not being able to get networking with 4.39 > (works with 4.02). Good grief Mark, I'd already been to that page and looked at the Guide, awhile ago... looking at it again, it gives me a pain in the head just looking at it, never mind attempting to do it. One of the things I hate about Linux is all this retro reliance on the CLI Don't get me wrong, CLI has its uses, and even I use it in both RO and on the MS-Windows side, but Linux is far far too reliant on the CLI. Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From ecartis@freelists.org Tue May 26 13:39:18 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M8vio-0nVGPo-01-Afh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 13:39:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M8vio-0nVGPo-01-Afh; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:25:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M8vio-0nVGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:25:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M8vio-0001CX-2M for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:25:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27F78C4E73F for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:25:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GGE7VEKxLZb8 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F32EEC4EA65 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:25:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling-moderators@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling-moderators@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8AA8C4E73F for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:25:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P1mN0C1llYqH for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFAF7C4E809 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freelists.org by freelists.org (ECARTIS/1.0.0); Tue, 26 May 2009 08:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:25:32 -0400 (EDT) From: FreeLists Mailing List Manager Reply-To: lists@thesandfords.me.uk To: davidpilling-moderators@freelists.org Message-ID: X-ecartis-antiloop: freelists.org Precedence: list Subject: davidpilling: lists@thesandfords.me.uk post needs approval X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GXRo7JSr90wA:10 a=BwZS6z4CpbsA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kvYbNz-4AAAA:8 a=u7XRUPlwAAAA:8 a=M5GUz4uRAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=nuL006OFAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=5yTQx3r0AAAA:8 a=wuTByj3FAAAA:8 a=Oo0dznasBey8ajYqF8YA:9 a=HMBEjfXGEJsEgB3nyqUA:7 a=ru4QWIwtenEolrNnXueCLSjPtggA:4 a=vaF4yFaCieYA:10 a=aNJECpxizG8A:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=Ii4e4aeKgRYA:10 a=G9wWccgyCP3s7IYs:21 a=QD53rl3j3g_KMgBB:21 This message was received for a list you are a moderator on, and was marked for moderation due to the following reason: Non-member submission to closed-post list. 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Ecartis needs it. // apppost 4A1BDFBC:3B77.1:qnivqcvyyvat >From lists@thesandfords.me.uk Tue May 26 08:25:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FEF6C4E73F for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:25:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HC3RRw5VGGzY for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roger.netweaver.net (roger.netweaver.net [95.154.193.156]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 97BFDC4E692 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7053 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 12:25:26 -0000 Received: from cpc3-hem12-0-0-cust944.lutn.cable.ntl.com (HELO Iyonix.Rannoch) (lists@thesandfords.me.uk@82.24.211.177) by roger.netweaver.net with SMTP; 26 May 2009 12:25:26 -0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: John Sandford X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:15:42 +0100 Message-ID: References: <50615de43fdave@triffid.co.uk> <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <50616eba68dave@triffid.co.uk> <84a7756150.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <84a7756150.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43S) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In message <84a7756150.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: [snip] >>> Mark, I'm running the latest Spoon version on the XP win machine, and >>> while I would like to run the Linux version of RPCEmu, I have no idea what >>> all this compiling stuff is about. >>> If there was a downloadable like Spoon, then I'd be there. >> I thought this was what you got with the "almost free RISC OS" CD from >> ROL - all you need to set up RPCemu on Linux, including instructions. > No, not at all. I do not think the word Linux is even mentioned on the > CD. First of all, what you get on the CD is exactly what it says on > the tin: A copy of RISC OS as a ROM image plus boot sequence. There > are instructions for RedSquirrel and RPCEmu (Windows) but there is no > emulator software on the CD nor are there any instructions for RPCEmu > for Linux. Even with such instructions present it would be far from a > completely packaged solution comparable to the Spoon release. > Martin The puppy linux CD is pretty straight forward. http://www.phawfaux.co.uk/ro-connect/links/downloads/puppy-412RPCEmu082.zip 0r via the Puppy linux site under puplets. John -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead RISC OS User Group email info@hhrug.org // eompost 4A1BDFBC:3B77.1:qnivqcvyyvat From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 26 15:09:21 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M8xL4-0bh000-03-93R.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:09:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M8xL4-0bh000-03-93R; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:09:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M8xL4-0bh000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:09:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M8xL0-0003JF-GJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:09:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 127C6C4EDB5; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:09:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yme1WxT2F6Qo; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A81CC4ED53; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 May 2009 10:08:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8E7BC4EA74 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:08:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QF5OaZZhqBLD for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com (ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com [62.24.128.243]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B52AC4ED71 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:08:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEACeUG0pOka39/2dsb2JhbADPFYQLBQ Received: from unknown (HELO iyonix.workgroup08) ([78.145.173.253]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with ESMTP; 26 May 2009 15:08:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:03:57 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Message-ID: <506185d259jack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5060ebfb1bdave@triffid.co.uk> <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1563 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jack@ljsevans.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=UjCtF1DkAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4T9GOyBXq4uVaNNvXfkA:9 a=tL_H2SZfxTw9i2elQvQA:7 a=X7f-LSOCsv77Ro7YSie3aAF6sE0A:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=c_VJIVJPyp4A:10 a=3M_WoOx7yeEMvvjz:21 a=rFLM_2Lr79O5zjS1:21 On 25 May, David Pilling wrote: > In message <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >Ah Well! Stuck with RO and MS Windows for eternity. Dave > That is one of the jokes, I would cheerfully throw away Windows, but I > use OP and there is no Linux version of it, I also can program most > effectively on Windows. > I know I could move to Linux (or the Mac) but it would take a lot of > time and effort. Pity, David but I understand. As an alternative has anyone tried running OPW on a Mac emulating Windows with Parallels or Fusion? I depend heavily on OP running on an Iyonix right now but for the future want to ditch Windows in favour of the Mac OS - as a possible soluiton, -would that be a bridge too far? Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 26 15:24:23 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M8xTS-2ea000-05-8v3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:24:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M8xTS-2ea000-05-8v3; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:17:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M8xTS-2ea000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:17:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M8xTR-0007F6-N9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:17:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D8CEC4EE05; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:17:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m6VdN958DpTY; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95339C4EC59; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 May 2009 10:17:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F912C4EE05 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:17:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0GAYFNQA4-VD for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com (ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com [62.24.128.244]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E00FCC4EEB0 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:17:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAPeWG0pOka39/2dsb2JhbADPK4QLBQ Received: from unknown (HELO iyonix.workgroup08) ([78.145.173.253]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with ESMTP; 26 May 2009 15:17:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:11:48 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Message-ID: <5061868a3cjack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5060ebfb1bdave@triffid.co.uk> <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1564 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jack@ljsevans.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=vEQW74nZAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=C4GE6DOFyFD_VXK8jA4A:9 a=sudjK_QMButPUMoCa3EA:7 a=msX3UzGL7PpuXnla1QRKxj1bIrYA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=XzyJdPIzsxYA:10 a=MZDYoTu4tm63NXrp:21 a=iPldec7sTJcmUytX:21 On 25 May, David Pilling wrote: > In message <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >Ah Well! Stuck with RO and MS Windows for eternity. > >Dave > That is one of the jokes, I would cheerfully throw away Windows, but I > use OP and there is no Linux version of it, I also can program most > effectively on Windows. > I know I could move to Linux (or the Mac) but it would take a lot of > time and effort. Pity, David but I understand. As an alternative has anyone tried running OPW on a Mac with Parallels or Fusion Windows emulation software? I depend heavily on OP running on an Iyonix right now but longer term want to switch to the Mac OS and drop Windows altogther - but is this a bridge too far as a solution to the problem, I wonder? Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@notsoljsevans.co.uk Drop the 'notso' to reply To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 26 15:39:22 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M8xep-42s000-05-8jg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:39:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M8xep-42s000-05-8jg; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:29:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M8xep-42s000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:29:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M8xef-0007Eg-5j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:29:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB759C4EC6C; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:29:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oZE0oXSRJZtA; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31C5AC4ED1A; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 May 2009 10:28:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30681C4EC6C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:28:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 738ZTzjCpjCr for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a.mx.cygnetcs.com (a.mx.cygnetcs.com [82.111.224.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0A90C4EAAB for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cavemactob.eservices.stalimited.com ([172.25.5.125]) by a.mx.cygnetcs.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M8xcc-0005CO-5P for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:27:26 +0100 Received: by cavemactob.eservices.stalimited.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1368EAA797A4; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:27:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:27:17 +0100 From: Toby Bryans To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Message-ID: <20090526142717.GA1740@cavemactob.eservices.stalimited.com> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org References: <5060ebfb1bdave@triffid.co.uk> <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk> <506185d259jack@ljsevans.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <506185d259jack@ljsevans.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-archive-position: 1565 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: toby-ovation@bryans.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ycn2Y-u0QDhwB4Yx6ocA:9 a=SLF5X5vIjFRhya3EFakA:7 a=AcRIyJrWoL2pddr85LtXEBwa4fQA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=Tlrv_ZjdGZg1Xt5c:21 a=Gx3qnHQcGLKfes2c:21 [David - this is resent because I sent it from a non-list subscribed email address; no need to forward the old on one!] On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 03:03:57pm +0100, Jack Evans wrote: > On 25 May, David Pilling wrote: > > In message <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > > writes > > >Ah Well! Stuck with RO and MS Windows for eternity. Dave > > > That is one of the jokes, I would cheerfully throw away Windows, but I > > use OP and there is no Linux version of it, I also can program most > > effectively on Windows. > > > I know I could move to Linux (or the Mac) but it would take a lot of > > time and effort. > > Pity, David but I understand. As an alternative has anyone tried running > OPW on a Mac emulating Windows with Parallels or Fusion? > > I depend heavily on OP running on an Iyonix right now but for the future > want to ditch Windows in favour of the Mac OS - as a possible soluiton, > -would that be a bridge too far? Ovation Pro works great with Parallels. There is one thing though that I have found: you really need to use it with a network printer as otherwise when you print it goes postscript -> Windows Printer Driver -> OS X Printer Driver and all of that filtering can really mess things up, particularly with colours. We've just bought a network colour laser printer just for this reason. FWIW, Ovation Pro prints far better on it than Word on both a virtualized windows or Word on OS X. I suspect that wouldn't be too much of a surprise! -- Toby To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 26 15:39:22 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M8xlF-0AJGPo-06-8dG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:39:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M8xlF-0AJGPo-06-8dG; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:36:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M8xlF-0AJGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:36:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M8xl8-00047z-Nb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:36:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DD05C4EE7B; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:36:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pADGAbqVKkut; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C2CDC4EFAB; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 May 2009 10:35:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6DF9C4EE7B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:35:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KJJ9YpnNJfPX for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server3.spellings.net (server3.spellings.net [78.110.163.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09F2FC4EF89 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 77-102-224-176.cable.ubr17.croy.blueyonder.co.uk ([77.102.224.176] helo=Shuttle) by server3.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M8xk6-0006Wi-8E for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:35:02 +0000 Message-ID: <031EED12859245E7B960BBABF5142CBA@Shuttle> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <5060ebfb1bdave@triffid.co.uk> <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk> <506185d259jack@ljsevans.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:35:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-ID: 1M8xk6-0006Wi-8E X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server3.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goatly.co.uk X-archive-position: 1566 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=P3EX1JMYAWmQyuwuRW8A:9 a=VUmJtLq6-BoPiP0w_-MA:7 a=E-MfnXGiYbw5x2GZEHQ86mPP5BYA:4 Jack Evans wrote: > As an alternative has anyone > tried > running OPW on a Mac emulating Windows with Parallels or Fusion? Yes, and it works fine (apart from the usual issue with non-matching fonts in documents prepared on a RISC OS machine). > I depend heavily on OP running on an Iyonix right now but for the > future want to ditch Windows in favour of the Mac OS - as a possible > soluiton, -would that be a bridge too far? Macs are really nice machines, once you get over the change in GUI philosophy. Of course, once you have a Mac you could get VirtualRPC for the Mac... -- Bruce To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 26 15:54:23 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M8xq7-4dE000-03-8YO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:54:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M8xq7-4dE000-03-8YO; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:41:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M8xq7-4dE000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:41:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M8xpz-0000uF-TT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:41:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F36BAC4F06D; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:40:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IwEQvyUdG5-S; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 869EAC4F069; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 May 2009 10:40:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F46DC4EE6B for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:40:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BNg+1zMKl+fo for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com (ttsmtp-1.cpwnetworks.com [62.24.128.242]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D03DC4F03A for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 10:40:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAKKcG0pOlTvr/2dsb2JhbADPPIQLBQ Received: from unknown (HELO Iyonix.Iyonix) ([78.149.59.235]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with ESMTP; 26 May 2009 15:39:55 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:39:27 +0100 Message-ID: <5c12896150.roger@Iyonix> References: <5060ebfb1bdave@triffid.co.uk> <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk> <506185d259jack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <506185d259jack@ljsevans.co.uk> X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1567 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@red-squirrel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=UjCtF1DkAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=KdILf0JZXHaCthM-8zIA:9 a=FsZSLcqK5rV1Ao-zFFkA:7 a=3SqvJItyjDmYmYLoEh9olyGobLoA:4 a=c_VJIVJPyp4A:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=8PJJB6R9FRBw2jEp:21 a=Em_gCJDvxpHLXhx0:21 In message <506185d259jack@ljsevans.co.uk> Jack Evans wrote: > On 25 May, David Pilling wrote: >> In message <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes >> writes >>>Ah Well! Stuck with RO and MS Windows for eternity. Dave >> That is one of the jokes, I would cheerfully throw away Windows, but I >> use OP and there is no Linux version of it, I also can program most >> effectively on Windows. >> I know I could move to Linux (or the Mac) but it would take a lot of >> time and effort. > Pity, David but I understand. As an alternative has anyone tried running > OPW on a Mac emulating Windows with Parallels or Fusion? > I depend heavily on OP running on an Iyonix right now but for the future > want to ditch Windows in favour of the Mac OS - as a possible soluiton, > -would that be a bridge too far? > Regards > Jack Mac OSX 10.4.n with VRPC and RO OvPro works fine here, though I still really only use it on the Iyonix. Roger -- Roger Foden To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 26 17:09:25 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M8z1U-34hknw-07-FtX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:09:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M8z1U-34hknw-07-FtX; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:57:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M8z1U-34hknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:57:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M8z1O-0000ix-Lj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:57:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89617C4E92C; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:56:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tNir8RzLDzXY; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14B28C4EDEA; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 May 2009 11:56:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 611A6C4E92C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:56:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7NWhV9hIoqVC for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.144]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEFC6C4A7EE for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 13so760267eye.58 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.41.1 with SMTP id o1mr445752ebo.63.1243353356038; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac3342c.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.44]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm2092843eyf.58.2009.05.26.08.55.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 26 May 2009 08:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A1C110A.4090807@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:55:54 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro References: <5060ebfb1bdave@triffid.co.uk> <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk> <506185d259jack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <506185d259jack@ljsevans.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1568 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=le35cnUbG8ruYmsCUG4A:9 a=DKWeQvION03Z58Km6LcA:7 a=5mcsSDLt9GXsSwfMhEYQ4ttw1PcA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=sqKo1TBJsxt3485h:21 a=JTrCDB0w3UeWkccG:21 Jack Evans wrote: > On 25 May, David Pilling wrote: >> In message <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes >> writes >>> Ah Well! Stuck with RO and MS Windows for eternity. Dave > >> That is one of the jokes, I would cheerfully throw away Windows, but I >> use OP and there is no Linux version of it, I also can program most >> effectively on Windows. > >> I know I could move to Linux (or the Mac) but it would take a lot of >> time and effort. > > Pity, David but I understand. As an alternative has anyone tried running > OPW on a Mac emulating Windows with Parallels or Fusion? OPW runs fine under Windows emulation with VMware Fusion ... and, if you operate VMware in Unity mode, you at least get the "impression" OPW is running on the Mac desktop. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 26 18:54:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M90lX-4Gnknw-05-E9U.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 18:54:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M90lX-4Gnknw-05-E9U; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:48:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M90lX-4Gnknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:48:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M90lQ-0004Ip-UJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 17:48:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70F44C4FBE4; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:53:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id haflYpzpOQiq; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F13FDC4FC6D; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 May 2009 12:52:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B8B0C4FBE4 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:52:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v40+vIkcBpoc for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f213.google.com (mail-ew0-f213.google.com [209.85.219.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DBF4C4FBDD for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ew0-f213.google.com with SMTP id 9so3635064ewy.34 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.18.8 with SMTP id 8mr506971ebr.15.1243356738916; Tue, 26 May 2009 09:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac3342c.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.44]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm4903555eyz.41.2009.05.26.09.52.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 26 May 2009 09:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A1C1E41.4070806@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:52:17 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro References: <5060ebfb1bdave@triffid.co.uk> <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1569 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xNLngRhiIN21r4MQAwkA:9 a=E0KIipKbhZEXVFz11WsA:7 a=cJj9_XEL3XEjekA6721dw_iiBzAA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=DdKv_Tui4dEX4bXD:21 a=22Fwdjq_efX_MGxb:21 David Pilling wrote: > In message <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes >> Ah Well! Stuck with RO and MS Windows for eternity. >> Dave > > That is one of the jokes, I would cheerfully throw away Windows, but I > use OP and there is no Linux version of it, I also can program most > effectively on Windows. > > I know I could move to Linux (or the Mac) but it would take a lot of > time and effort. Pity ... I suspect OP would do better in the Mac world there are fewer native DTP packages, essentially QuarkXPress and InDesign (both of which are expensive) or Scribus (opensource, but doesn't look very user friendly or polished). -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue May 26 20:24:32 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M926t-3GIknw-06-Co8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 20:24:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M926t-3GIknw-06-Co8; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:14:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M926t-3GIknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:14:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M926t-0001wv-66 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:14:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F983C4DBA3; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:14:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q+pUPJ2mHlc3; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 326D4C4F4CA; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 May 2009 15:14:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCAC4C4DBA3 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:14:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qrn9LiMlPnGJ for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.es.uci.edu (smtp2.es.uci.edu [128.200.80.28]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AC82C4F9E9 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 15:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.200.31.32] (magnet.ps.uci.edu [128.200.31.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp2.es.uci.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n4QJEAps011273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:14:12 -0700 X-UCInetID: dennison Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4A1C1E41.4070806@ed.ac.uk> References: <5060ebfb1bdave@triffid.co.uk> <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk> <4A1C1E41.4070806@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:14:08 -0700 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Phil Dennison Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-archive-position: 1570 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dennison@uci.edu Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=q_v667Z-1f2HMmlGOywA:9 a=cpeO5f9k87lurgRqWPQA:7 a=w4GNy6KDBvgvPFmsk2kZKcZhae4A:4 a=EmRt-KxwK-gA:10 a=jzduhRTE_o8A:10 a=oP8JzKp0F4cA:10 a=gAYeQlHykVAA:10 a=y3FtPI8LFGUA:10 a=EtBfXSavgdQA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=HpoFH8QEYy30AKD8:21 a=ANagwXdcVdFxBJBp:21 >David Pilling wrote: >> In message <5060fbe58ddave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes >> writes >>> Ah Well! Stuck with RO and MS Windows for eternity. >>> Dave >> That is one of the jokes, I would cheerfully throw away Windows, >>but I use OP and there is no Linux version of it, I also can >>program most effectively on Windows. >> I know I could move to Linux (or the Mac) but it would take a lot >>of time and effort. > >Pity ... I suspect OP would do better in the Mac world there are >fewer native DTP packages, essentially QuarkXPress and InDesign >(both of which are expensive) or Scribus (opensource, but doesn't >look very user friendly or polished). >-- >C.B. Indeed. There are surprising gaps for Mac users. One feature that I think is only available from the above expensive programs is the ability to create PDFs with bookmarks generated from the document structure. So if this was possible with OP it would be a great advantage. Phil. -- Dr Phil Dennison NMR Facility Director (949)824-6010 (office) Department of Chemistry (949)824-5649 (lab) University of California, Irvine (949)824-8571 (fax) Irvine, CA 92697-2025 dennison@uci.edu USA To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 27 11:48:48 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M95rO-3QF000-02-93d.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 11:48:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M95rO-3QF000-02-93d; Tue, 26 May 2009 23:15:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M95rO-3QF000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 23:15:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M95rM-0005BX-Bz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 26 May 2009 23:15:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97F56C4FCE5; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:15:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HGxygdgKhFH0; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1922EC4FD32; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 26 May 2009 19:14:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51615C4FCE5 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:14:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VlW6fFYBc5hR for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A744C4F936 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 19:14:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Trace: 217196005/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/f2s-temporary-group/80.225.99.90/None/lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 80.225.99.90 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjkLAB8UHEpQ4WNa/2dsb2JhbACMYcJKhAsF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,254,1241391600"; d="scan'208";a="217196005" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from ppp-1-90.birm-b-1.access.uk.tiscali.com (HELO helvellyn) ([80.225.99.90]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 27 May 2009 00:14:21 +0100 Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:44:55 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Message-ID: <6684b56150.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <50615de43fdave@triffid.co.uk> <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <50616eba68dave@triffid.co.uk> <200905261153.11733.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <50617696bedave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50617696bedave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1571 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=c5YD-USNUBMM2IILI_8A:9 a=M7UqrV5fAAumb8SHOnUA:7 a=kOGEx88r6_Blpo7jBbdNNhSLczUA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=wSY4CxqZl65dYy-0:21 a=TwTcaD9Jmq6lx4g_:21 On 26 May, Dave Symes wrote in message <50617696bedave@triffid.co.uk>: > Good grief Mark, I'd already been to that page and looked at the Guide, > awhile ago... looking at it again, it gives me a pain in the head just > looking at it, never mind attempting to do it. > > One of the things I hate about Linux is all this retro reliance on the > CLI > > Don't get me wrong, CLI has its uses, and even I use it in both RO and on > the MS-Windows side, but Linux is far far too reliant on the CLI. Not really: for "non-geek" users, the Linux command line is only likely to get used for things like installing RPCemu: day-to-day stuff (including installing new software) will be done via the normal GUI. It won't be a lot of use for you, but in case anyone else could find it helpful, the Wakefield group are currently planning to take a wander through the installation of RPCemu on Ubuntu next Wednesday evening (details via the site below). If we've got time, we might even try to get the O-Pro demo up and running on it... ;-) -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 27 12:03:47 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M9Gmd-0rfknw-07-FBQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:03:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M9Gmd-0rfknw-07-FBQ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:54:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M9Gmd-0rfknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:54:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M9GmZ-0003RM-42 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:54:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DAD38C507FD; Wed, 27 May 2009 06:54:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AolNxpgB4XqP; Wed, 27 May 2009 06:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E1A3C4F3F3; Wed, 27 May 2009 06:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 27 May 2009 06:54:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9697AC50801 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 06:54:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1CRiwLBsjs7H for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 06:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EBBBFC4F967 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 06:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1M9Glu-0006bo-XE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:54:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:53:05 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro References: <50615de43fdave@triffid.co.uk> <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <50616eba68dave@triffid.co.uk> <200905261153.11733.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <50617696bedave@triffid.co.uk> <6684b56150.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <6684b56150.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1572 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=kvYbNz-4AAAA:8 a=lYvq0DDjAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=5yTQx3r0AAAA:8 a=wuTByj3FAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=UNSyjv6UuDMfUiynxzsA:9 a=_GntVvDAM4UqvN8WWcwA:7 a=h2z_fj7IbRFO7ujt_vmFUUZfPc8A:4 a=aNJECpxizG8A:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=Ii4e4aeKgRYA:10 a=bpkEyZcDH1eBgvHn:21 a=S0kz6Cpetm-4PQEc:21 >>>> Forwarded - From: John Sandford >>>> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:15:42 +0100 In message <84a7756150.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: [snip] >>> Mark, I'm running the latest Spoon version on the XP win machine, and >>> while I would like to run the Linux version of RPCEmu, I have no idea what >>> all this compiling stuff is about. >>> If there was a downloadable like Spoon, then I'd be there. >> I thought this was what you got with the "almost free RISC OS" CD from >> ROL - all you need to set up RPCemu on Linux, including instructions. > No, not at all. I do not think the word Linux is even mentioned on the > CD. First of all, what you get on the CD is exactly what it says on > the tin: A copy of RISC OS as a ROM image plus boot sequence. There > are instructions for RedSquirrel and RPCEmu (Windows) but there is no > emulator software on the CD nor are there any instructions for RPCEmu > for Linux. Even with such instructions present it would be far from a > completely packaged solution comparable to the Spoon release. > Martin The puppy linux CD is pretty straight forward. http://www.phawfaux.co.uk/ro-connect/links/downloads/puppy-412RPCEmu082.zip 0r via the Puppy linux site under puplets. John -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead RISC OS User Group email info@hhrug.org // eompost 4A1BDFBC:3B77.1:qnivqcvyyvat To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 27 21:07:30 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M9PHW-1lp000-03-FD3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:07:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M9PHW-1lp000-03-FD3; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:59:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M9PHW-1lp000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:59:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M9PHV-0000cY-K7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 May 2009 19:59:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15120C4F820; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:59:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o3LrI9iysnb0; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90513C4F051; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 27 May 2009 15:58:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6317BC50711 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:58:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2oZZBqmI34WB for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18839C50638 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 15:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panther (88-202-196-215.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.196.215]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4RJwTiY026996 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:58:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:48:17 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Message-ID: <5062292e7afrank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <50616eba68dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <50615de43fdave@triffid.co.uk> <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <50616eba68dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1573 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: frank@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=nuL006OFAAAA:8 a=fKgPPcxLAAAA:8 a=5yTQx3r0AAAA:8 a=kgo8WeUiAAAA:8 a=3EK5X8rpAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Moq4puSkiHoQBhFma4MA:9 a=dCBQ_N8p_Oy7ZMBvNDEA:7 a=Ia6HUE7Ft_TcD812gUOc46LSkIwA:4 a=GFAvb1UtWpQA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 a=dh4ije9Ex-tf4apR:21 a=mrvTkBWgYDSQR432:21 In article <50616eba68dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk>, > Mark Fraser wrote: > > On Tuesday 26 May 2009 07:47:49 Dave Symes wrote: > [Snip] > > > > > > So I guess, for serious work, back to RISC OS and MS-Windows. > > You could always try Linux and run Ovation Pro under RPCEmu. > Mark, I'm running the latest Spoon version on the XP win machine, > and while I would like to run the Linux version of RPCEmu, I have > no idea what all this compiling stuff is about. If there was a > downloadable like Spoon, then I'd be there. > Thanks for your thoughts. > Dave I agree, compiling does not seem like the sort of thing I would be capable of. On the other hand, it is not clear to me whether you have seen and tried the Live CD carrying Puppy Linux and RPCEmu which is designed to accept the (almost Free) RISC OS 4.02 disc image? Have you been to the Drobe page: http://www.drobe.co.uk/article.php?id=2440 where there is a main article by Paul Stewart, which looked too formidable for me ..... BUT alongside is a smaller article, headed "Download a live CD with RPCEmu pre-prepared". At the end of this subsidiary column is the invitation-link "Click here for more details". This takes you to: http://www.drobe.co.uk/extra/puppyguide/Announcement.htm (NOTE the upper case "A" in the above) This page has the appropriate title "RISC OS on Puppy Linux Live CD". The above title is slightly misleading: the live CD does not carry the RISC OS disc image, but the link near the bottom of the page "RISC OS Connect" takes you to: http://www.phawfaux.co.uk/ro-connect/links/links-related.asp where there is a link on the left hand side, "RISC OS Live CD", which allows you to download "puppy-412RPCEmu082.zip". I have given each link above because it is worth reading all of the words on those pages before you start downloading.the zip file which contains an ISO image which you can use to create the actual CD which is described as Live. Starting from there, I found it was possible, to get my redundant laptop (already installed with Windows XP) to boot from the Live CD and, following instructions on screen and in the accompanying guide, to install Puppy Linux and RPCEmu and have them running, ready to accept the RO 4.02 disc which I bought from RISCOS LTD. (You can download the disc for a fiver or receive one by Royal Mail for, I think, 1.25 GBP. Most of the installation went smoothly, but at one point I consulted Paul Stewart directly who advised on the display Setup: remember to use the Xvesa display module rather than the Xorg module. Xvesa provides a slightly larger display area for RPCEmu. You will find that the RPCEmu window in which RISC OS runs is fixed in size. It can be moved around the larger Puppy Linux window, but re-sizing is not possible in the normally expected ways. The best size I have managed so far is a 12-inch diagonal RPCEmu window on the laptop's 15-inch diagonal display. Whether you, Dave, would find the display acceptable, I doubt. With OPro installed and viewing it on the display decribed above, I found it necessary to reduce the OPro scaling to 75% in order to get a workable amount of OPro window visible. I thought that all I needed was to hitch a larger display monitor to the laptop so that I could increase the scaling to a level at which I was able to read it comfortably. Trouble is that the display from the laptop resulted in a very spotty text display (Windows like, or worse) at the usual 100% scaling. Perhaps the display would be acceptable if the whole thing was run on a desktop or tower machine capable of outputting better than 1024 x 768 pixels -- mmmmh. I don't know where you live Dave, but if it is within reach of Chelmsford in Essex, you may be interested in: http://www.eaug.org.uk/mtg.htm The intention on the 9th June is to set up the same laptop, almost from scratch, within the evening. Apologies for being such a wind-bag. Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: Using !Pluto 3.04c on Iyonix 5.10. Also VARPC-Adjust on laptop. Still RPC-SA (4.39 Adjust) for some things. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed May 27 21:52:27 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M9Pya-48XVbs-04-EVz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:52:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M9Pya-48XVbs-04-EVz; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:43:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M9Pya-48XVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:43:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M9PyY-0000GX-S6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 27 May 2009 20:43:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4664DC50EA0; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:43:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dRWvakaTo+aD; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD88FC50D24; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 27 May 2009 16:43:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98A56C50EA0 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:43:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rsry7qJQFoOd for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49EA3C50EC6 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 16:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-210-60.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.210.60]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4RKgxlx027577 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 21:43:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:31:16 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Message-ID: <50622d1e0fdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5062292e7afrank@aaug.net> References: <50615de43fdave@triffid.co.uk> <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <50616eba68dave@triffid.co.uk> <5062292e7afrank@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1574 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=3EK5X8rpAAAA:8 a=kgo8WeUiAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=FW4kA_i4uHGF-pDMpwwA:9 a=vXX2whq8u5_FoP67D40A:7 a=FReSGgvXmKXBE7EPauFAXIoNDwsA:4 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 In article <5062292e7afrank@aaug.net>, Frank Watkinson wrote: [Snip] > I agree, compiling does not seem like the sort of thing I would be > capable of. On the other hand, it is not clear to me whether you have > seen and tried the Live CD carrying Puppy Linux and RPCEmu which is > designed to accept the (almost Free) RISC OS 4.02 disc image? [Snip] > Perhaps the display would be acceptable if the whole thing was run on > a desktop or tower machine capable of outputting better than 1024 x > 768 pixels -- mmmmh. > I don't know where you live Dave, but if it is within reach of > Chelmsford in Essex, you may be interested in: > http://www.eaug.org.uk/mtg.htm > The intention on the 9th June is to set up the same laptop, almost from > scratch, within the evening. > Apologies for being such a wind-bag. > Frank. Thanks for that write up Frank. I already have the almost free RO 4.02 disk... I used that to set up RPCEmu Spoon on the XP machine, which I then upgraded to 4.39 (Being a Select subscriber). If I try it out later (Bit busy ATM) it would be on a desktop machine, so maybe the display would be a bit better. If I do the deed I'll let you know about that aspect. With regard to your 9th meeting... I live way down on the South coast in Bournemouth... nuff said methinks. ;-) Cheers Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri May 29 11:38:30 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1M9Zk0-2cMVbs-04-DH5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:38:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1M9Zk0-2cMVbs-04-DH5; Thu, 28 May 2009 07:09:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1M9Zk0-2cMVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 May 2009 07:09:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1M9Zjz-0001pX-LE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 May 2009 07:09:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2219FC502C4; Thu, 28 May 2009 03:09:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AC+mLv+PZStr; Thu, 28 May 2009 03:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A70BDC5010D; Thu, 28 May 2009 03:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 28 May 2009 03:08:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C9B0C502C4 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 03:08:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CHx65NkHuFJ0 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 03:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4046C4FFDA for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 03:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-211-108.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.211.108]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4S78iea004299 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 08:08:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 08:08:29 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro Message-ID: <50626774dedave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50622d1e0fdave@triffid.co.uk> References: <50615de43fdave@triffid.co.uk> <200905260949.45924.freelists@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk> <50616eba68dave@triffid.co.uk> <5062292e7afrank@aaug.net> <50622d1e0fdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.16) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1575 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nGGYMs4X99_5hsAGedQA:9 a=-wW31TtkbJarde2JQl0A:7 a=85jm77xItkgrwTPs8NNhwoRpXXwA:4 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 On 27 May, dave@triffid.co.uk wrote: > If I try it out later (Bit busy ATM) it would be on a desktop machine, so > maybe the display would be a bit better. > If I do the deed I'll let you know about that aspect. I did the stuff this AM and got Puppy running okay, but got totally lost with the emu stuff. I looked through the PDF how to, but again got lost, I extracted the RO4 ROM from my disk (Twice) but because it's not drag n drop, or a clear clean file path system... I have absolutely no idea where it might have been put on either occasion. (The second time I put in what I thought was the path to the Emu ROM directory, but obviously not). So it doesn't look as though I shall get OvPro running under Linux by any means. To be quite honest about all this, if I was coming to computing with no previous experience, and someone pushed me at Linux as the way to go, I'd give up and not bother. I guess, if asked to put that subjectively and emotionally, I find Linux to be a great enthusiasts toy to play with, but I couldn't use it for serious work. The more I use it the greater the negative side of my ambivalence grows. Dave I'll maybe have another go at it later after work, but I'm not enthused at the prospect. 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Read Our Privacy Policy // eompost 4A226018:5F70.1:qnivqcvyyvat From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 31 16:01:27 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MAmV3-0sJGPo-06-FEg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:01:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MAmV3-0sJGPo-06-FEg; Sun, 31 May 2009 14:59:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MAmV3-0sJGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 May 2009 14:59:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MAmV3-0002v8-9L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 May 2009 14:59:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C057AC52C37; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:59:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hf6+5A7i-6KH; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D3EAC52BFE; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 May 2009 10:58:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CBFCC52BB2 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:58:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B6B+AWYFmC44 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-5-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-5-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.4]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7386C52C99 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 10:58:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Trace: 164615293/mk-outboundfilter-5.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/f2s-temporary-group/80.225.111.71/None/lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 80.225.111.71 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au0JABM4IkpQ4W9H/2dsb2JhbACMcsBChAwF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,279,1241391600"; d="scan'208";a="164615293" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from ppp-3-71.bris-a-1.access.uk.tiscali.com (HELO helvellyn) ([80.225.111.71]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 31 May 2009 15:58:23 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:56:00 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <4ec41d6450.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 Subject: [softwarelist] Broken frame in O-Pro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1576 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=MPyFv_8_5H8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Ves02l88AAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=chtvC_6AIdjdTRdaMSAA:9 a=4WDot07tpHyePhM0VZAA:7 a=WwgrRjovzIdzSAL9H9Z3OgHgO5YA:4 a=o0LmiWkYnQdCbZFr:21 a=9FxKaeWUqnfnEsxI:21 I've just hit what appears to be a corrupt frame in an O-Pro document. The frame contains a bitmap, and has (or had) a polygon outline. I edited it, and it displayed fine. Then a couple of minutes later, O-Pro reported "Bad path element" and shrank its window down to nothing (which IIRC is what it does when it hits a redraw error). After a lot of messing around, I finally tracked the problem down to the one frame. It displays OK if guidelines are off, but gives the above error if they are on. The frame can not be selected with the mouse, so it seems that it can't be deleted (in the end I moved the rest of the page contents onto the pasteboard, deleted the page, inserted a new one, and rebuilt the layout). I've no idea if it will be of any use or interest to David, but I've put a copy of the page up on the web at http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~sfryatt/temp/op-doc.zip I don't remember exactly what I did to cause the problem, although it wasn't anything out of the ordinary as far as I know, so there may not much be that much to learn from the file. The frame in question is bottom-left on the page, and contains the G/spanner/cog logo. O-Pro for RISC OS, 2.77 (14 Jan 2009), on RISC OS 5.14, for what it's worth. (That webspace may disappear suddenly, without warning. If it does, I'll stick the file up somewhere else if anyone is still interested by then.) -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 31 17:16:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MAnTc-1kn000-07-EG7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 17:16:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MAnTc-1kn000-07-EG7; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:01:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MAnTc-1kn000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:01:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MAnTb-0001s3-IF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:01:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7CDFC527BF; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:01:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C7HsHmM9Zfxw; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FFC6C526B1; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 May 2009 12:00:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3214FC52025 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:00:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fMHM8hqxkBLB for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail15.bluewin.ch (mail15.bluewin.ch [195.186.18.63]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB726C52023 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:00:57 -0400 (EDT) X-FXIT-IP: IPv4[83.76.245.3] Epoch[1243785655] Received: from [83.76.245.3] ([83.76.245.3:7298] helo=ACER.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch) by mail15.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.36 r(27513/27514)) with ESMTP id 9B/D9-31244-7B9A22A4; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:00:55 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Broken frame in O-Pro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 18:00:45 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4ec41d6450.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ec41d6450.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090530-0, 05/30/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 1577 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Xx-iReG4aUYA:10 a=5BWNGls6nEgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=Ves02l88AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8lFY5jO3N9_YD91JA-cA:9 a=lFqFK45C3ZjOzZBc828A:7 a=tppLrlw9GPyEooodCMuqs8D9TsYA:4 In message <4ec41d6450.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> Steve Fryatt wrote: > I've just hit what appears to be a corrupt frame in an O-Pro document. > The frame contains a bitmap, and has (or had) a polygon outline. I > edited it, and it displayed fine. Then a couple of minutes later, > O-Pro reported "Bad path element" and shrank its window down to > nothing (which IIRC is what it does when it hits a redraw error). > After a lot of messing around, I finally tracked the problem down to > the one frame. It displays OK if guidelines are off, but gives the > above error if they are on. The frame can not be selected with the > mouse, so it seems that it can't be deleted (in the end I moved the > rest of the page contents onto the pasteboard, deleted the page, > inserted a new one, and rebuilt the layout). Drag a frame using CtrlShiftDrag around the frame. The frame is then selected and you can then delete the frame with CtrlK. Queer thing is you can send it backwards or forwards but

does not function. Possibly a certain following order of keypresses led to this problem. > I've no idea if it will be of any use or interest to David, but I've > put a copy of the page up on the web at > http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~sfryatt/temp/op-doc.zip > I don't remember exactly what I did to cause the problem, although it > wasn't anything out of the ordinary as far as I know, so there may not > much be that much to learn from the file. The frame in question is > bottom-left on the page, and contains the G/spanner/cog logo. > O-Pro for RISC OS, 2.77 (14 Jan 2009), on RISC OS 5.14, for what it's worth. > (That webspace may disappear suddenly, without warning. If it does, > I'll stick the file up somewhere else if anyone is still interested by > then.) FWIW -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun May 31 18:01:31 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MAoH4-0Dnknw-07-DSf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 18:01:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MAoH4-0Dnknw-07-DSf; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:52:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MAoH4-0Dnknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:52:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MAoH3-0007Ka-To for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 31 May 2009 16:52:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56653C520D2; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:52:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hhoNkcRcOj7W; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE2DCC520C0; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 31 May 2009 12:52:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DAD77C5267D for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:52:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QYbZwKSOSIj1 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 848AFC520F9 for ; Sun, 31 May 2009 12:52:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Trace: 253001824/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/f2s-temporary-group/80.225.111.71/None/lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 80.225.111.71 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-SMTP-AUTH: X-MUA: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au0JAFNSIkpQ4W9H/2dsb2JhbACMcsAhhAwF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,279,1241391600"; d="scan'208";a="253001824" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from ppp-3-71.bris-a-1.access.uk.tiscali.com (HELO helvellyn) ([80.225.111.71]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 31 May 2009 17:52:05 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 17:51:34 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Broken frame in O-Pro Message-ID: References: <4ec41d6450.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1578 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Xx-iReG4aUYA:10 a=5BWNGls6nEgA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=SPe3yn0nYYyVNDOOC-UA:9 a=owlNZM-ObUD8mL3200UA:7 a=yfBOcvFwoyh9pELeYLyDW7n1u-EA:4 On 31 May, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote in message : > In message <4ec41d6450.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> > Steve Fryatt wrote: > > > I've just hit what appears to be a corrupt frame in an O-Pro document. > > The frame contains a bitmap, and has (or had) a polygon outline. I > > edited it, and it displayed fine. Then a couple of minutes later, > > O-Pro reported "Bad path element" and shrank its window down to > > nothing (which IIRC is what it does when it hits a redraw error). > > > After a lot of messing around, I finally tracked the problem down to > > the one frame. It displays OK if guidelines are off, but gives the > > above error if they are on. The frame can not be selected with the > > mouse, so it seems that it can't be deleted (in the end I moved the > > rest of the page contents onto the pasteboard, deleted the page, > > inserted a new one, and rebuilt the layout). > > Drag a frame using CtrlShiftDrag around the frame. The frame is then > selected and you can then delete the frame with CtrlK. Thanks -- I couldn't find the marquee drag option. In fact, with the frame then selected by this route, changing it back to rectangular and then to polygon again seems to reset things. I wish I'd known about that last night... > Queer thing is you can send it backwards or forwards but does > not function. Possibly a certain following order of keypresses led to > this problem. I've seen it before, so there's obviously something that I sometimes do that triggers the problem. I use polygon frames a fair bit, however, so it's clearly not /that/ common a bug. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 1 22:37:11 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MB4h9-0zhGPo-01-E5c.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:37:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MB4h9-0zhGPo-01-E5c; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:24:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MB4h9-0zhGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:24:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MB4h6-00072Z-PS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:24:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97A9FC58B28; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 06:24:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ab4Qk7odch7m; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 06:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E29B8C59186; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 06:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Jun 2009 06:21:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD6C6C56290 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 06:21:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qrl-iaUfmidG for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 06:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx7.orcon.net.nz (mx7.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.57]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEF31C55F76 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 06:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Debian-exim by mx7.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MB3ha-0001QE-4A for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:21:06 +1200 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx7.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MB3hZ-0001Pr-LF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:21:05 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:20:14 +1200 Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro - ctrl+P Message-ID: <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx7.orcon.net.nz on Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:21:06 +1200 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Jun 1 21:21:06 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6490 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-archive-position: 1579 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: theboss@webmonster.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=an63MGxJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ENVeJyxrTboQlXrEoTUA:9 a=UXZiSUoW6l5NRNSm0HwA:7 a=CDUv2G1TYWG0o7WcM6WzP31ObsIA:4 Hi all, A minor annoyance, but Ctrl+P doesn't work (to give a new page). Has anyone else found this? Also cut (or copy) and paste within OvPro doesn't do the correct font styles unless I untick 'Global Clipboard' in Choices. I notice that the correct styles ARE copied into the clipboard. I am using 2.77 (14-Jan-2009) on SA RO4.39 I would like to add that I've been using OvPro extensively recently to make a music theory book (alongside Artworks and Sibelius), and what a delight this has been to do ...and I've learned a lot about how to use OvPro more betterer ;-) Great piece of software on a nice-to-use OS. regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. RISC OS and Acorn solutions. - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 1 22:37:14 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MB7gn-4RM000-02-B5y.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:37:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MB7gn-4RM000-02-B5y; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:36:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MB7gn-4RM000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:36:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MB7gm-0001Ak-RQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:36:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36192C59BD9; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:36:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LNrAN9tMPLlz; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B698CC59C7F; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:35:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05C08C59BD9 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:35:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ldunfTC+P5Ve for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7B5EC59BD0 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:35:56 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAON1I0rUnw4U/2dsb2JhbADLVIQMBQ Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 01 Jun 2009 14:35:56 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1MB7gB-0007sY-PY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:35:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:34:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro - ctrl+P Message-ID: <50649a2f6dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz> References: <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.15) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: ccfb7a62c17465627fbce2254835a169 X-archive-position: 1580 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9nOBdHzJ2KMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yrq8MThiBX9vW8s0pPkA:9 a=IwbNE6dabDWXn2_it34A:7 a=axpiaEw87seBiW9OyibiFKbJQw8A:4 In article <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz>, Robert Greenfield wrote: > A minor annoyance, but Ctrl+P doesn't work (to give a new page). Has > anyone else found this? Works for me on an Iyonix, but I usually use the key on the numeric keypad which does the same thing. Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 1 22:37:14 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MB8QP-1nzVbs-02-AMM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:37:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MB8QP-1nzVbs-02-AMM; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:23:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MB8QP-1nzVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:23:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MB8QP-0000ov-9F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:23:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADF77C59E0C; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:23:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PHUJE0UYQrZX; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37C02C59E52; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:23:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B712BC59E0C for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:23:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K00JKGfla3l9 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EF53C59DF0 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MB8Po-0003q0-Zn for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:23:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:23:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro - ctrl+P Message-ID: <50649e94a8peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz> References: <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-archive-position: 1581 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9nOBdHzJ2KMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7bCDhGxW0jQNQdo4oXcA:9 a=byYyOHOHWYBxfnDo120A:7 a=_uh9jW1s9RjlgTzpZFac-WXptx0A:4 In article <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz>, Robert Greenfield wrote: > A minor annoyance, but Ctrl+P doesn't work (to give a new > page). Has anyone else found this? Are you perhaps confusing two kinds of 'new page'. Ctrl-P, when the caret is in a text frame, forces a break to the next linked frame (either autolinked or manually linked). Since the default document usually consists of one autolinked frame per page, this means subsequent text is forced to the top of the next page. Page > Insert page..., which has no default shortcut, brings up a dialogue box allowing you to create a new page specifically before or after the current one. This is of limited use if it conflicts with dynamic page creation caused by text flowing from one autolinked frame to the next -- apart from anything else, blank pages at the end of the document will very soon be deleted again in this case. However, when creating a booklet which I know has to be, say, 16 pages long, I often start with an empty 1-page document, place a static frame on it for the back cover, then insert fifteen pages before it. Text still flows automatically from the new page 1 to page 2, page 2 to page 3, etc. as usual, but the extent of the document is fixed unless it reaches the end of page 15 and overflows into a new page 17. > Also cut (or copy) and paste within OvPro doesn't do the > correct font styles unless I untick 'Global Clipboard' in > Choices. I notice that the correct styles ARE copied into the > clipboard. I'm not sure what you mean by this. Are you pasting wihin a document or cutting/copying and pasting between documents? The former certainly works here with 'Global clipboard' ticked. If the latter, it might be because the two documents have styles with the same name but defined differently. When pasting text from another document, if it contains a style with the same name as one in the new document, the existing style of that name in the new document will be used. If the text to be pasted contains a style not found in the new document, a new one will be created with the same definition as in the first document. Thus if text copied from document A contains styles called "1" and "2", defined as: 1: Trinity.Bold 24pt 2: Homerton.Medium.Oblique 36pt and document B contains just only one style, called "1" and defined as: 1: Corpus.Medium 18pt Then, after copying the text from A to B, B will contain the styles: 1: Corpus.Medium 18pt 2: Homerton.Medium.Oblique 36pt Thus all text in style "1" will now be in Corpus.Medium 18pt, even though that which had been copied from document A was originally in Trinity.Bold 24pt. The way to avoid this problem is to rename styles in the source document to make sure they don't conflict with the target document -- INCLUDING renaming the base style 'Bodytext' (very important!) This approach can still fall down if any imported style uses 'lock to grid', because the grid is defined for the document as a whole, and the grid spacing and origin in the target document might differ from those in the source. --=20 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jun 1 22:37:15 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MB9hf-2TOGPo-03-956.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 22:37:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MB9hf-2TOGPo-03-956; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:45:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MB9hf-2TOGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:45:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MB9he-0000tR-It for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:45:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC26DC59480; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:45:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ebBsZuQfocNd; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 809A4C59519; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:44:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FF86C59480 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:44:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LVu3vZG2TiVz for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com (ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com [62.24.128.244]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4338C591CB for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:44:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAB+UI0pOkF9d/2dsb2JhbADMVoQMBQ Received: from unknown (HELO Iyonix.Iyonix) ([78.144.95.93]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with ESMTP; 01 Jun 2009 16:44:57 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro - ctrl+P To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:44:16 +0100 Message-ID: <9405a66450.roger@Iyonix> References: <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz> X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 1582 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@red-squirrel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9nOBdHzJ2KMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5x3jKjQvxuw5NsvN8w0A:9 a=GkqvAvbljg6RPgmJCCwA:7 a=XjNKjfZqJ8qIR_LaZPdEhdadhzsA:4 In message <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz> Robert Greenfield wrote: > Hi all, > A minor annoyance, but Ctrl+P doesn't work (to give a new page). Has > anyone else found this? [snip] Have you perhaps got the 'ImpKeys' script running? It will be in the !OvnPro.AutoRun directory. It adds many 'familiar' Impression keyboard shortcuts to OvPro; in my version Ctrl-P shows/hides the page rulers; Ctrl-G forces a new page (as in Impression). The 'Enter' key on the numeric keypad forces a new page in OvPro, so there is an alternative. Regards Roger -- Roger Foden To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 2 11:16:59 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MBGTp-3udVbs-08-ApS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:16:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MBGTp-3udVbs-08-ApS; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:59:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MBGTp-3udVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:59:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MBGTj-0003lY-Nc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:59:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DF9CBE493A; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:54:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rK051Jx13QyK; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC161C56AF4; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:54:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39054C5A9F1 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:54:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uueUQNB6whJ8 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD0AEC5A849 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.dsl.pipex.com (88-202-203-83.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.203.83]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n51MrflK014179 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:53:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:27:30 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro - ctrl+P Message-ID: <50649efe30rkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz> References: <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-archive-position: 1583 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rkp@par.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9nOBdHzJ2KMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=utxm1nrkAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=6XYSznWrpwbH2kQVujUA:9 a=ePJkF8BtTVwuWscdWmkA:7 a=FRs2STbJku9KeHvnfG4MuDT-_9wA:4 In article <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz>, Robert Greenfield wrote: > Also cut (or copy) and paste within OvPro doesn't do the correct > font styles unless I untick 'Global Clipboard' in Choices. I notice > that the correct styles ARE copied into the clipboard. I get this with RO4.39 on Virtual Risc PC, but all seems well on the Iyonix (just checked on RO5.14). Does Virtual RPC do strange things with the Windows clipboard and so throw OvPro? I've never had trouble with CTRL-P. Regards, Richard Partridge. -- Richard Partridge rkp@par.me.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From blackhole@freelists.org Tue Jun 2 11:17:00 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MBGVq-2bVGPo-07-AnR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:17:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MBGVq-2bVGPo-07-AnR; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:01:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MBGVq-2bVGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:01:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MBGVc-000714-8s for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:01:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7C08C58522 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:54:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P8PohvjQvF3f for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EFDAC4E3AD for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: with Ecartis (v1.0.0); Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:54:53 -0400 (EDT) From: FreeLists Mailing List Manager To: Members flagged REPORTS of list davidpilling Subject: Report for 'davidpilling' on error watches Message-ID: X-Ecartis-Version: Ecartis v1.0.0 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T6NciWmNUPAA:10 a=ka-x4lBJAAAA:8 a=BrDiTsk0AAAA:8 a=ZGU_gRTiAAAA:8 a=fI5iqcL3AAAA:8 a=0dyM_VxJPLWFBjOlY4UA:9 a=rfI5pAcsL9cIpgUxbMgA:7 a=avrjV0Sf2-xMHIO8Y4PL9_qxGFoA:4 a=-hJg1tCh9CgA:10 a=TDRaD_g-PU8A:10 a=F8BnyK6azcUA:10 a=u16qz75V_WiS9zcV:21 a=CYJwUGD-CaSVmRbn:21 These users have returned errors and are being watched for the list davidpilling. 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From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 2 11:17:03 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MBP1B-26rVbs-04-Aoc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:17:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MBP1B-26rVbs-04-Aoc; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:06:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MBP1B-26rVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:06:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MBP1B-0001sC-4g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:06:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B915C5BFFE; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 04:06:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id muL7ipx4V5eV; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 04:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20193C5C006; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 04:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:06:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5BB24C5C003 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 04:06:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DAYzpPgvlEGz for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 04:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA6E8C5BFFC for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 04:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (77-23-26-117-dynip.superkabel.de [77.23.26.117]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKuxg-1MBP0O08vp-000cF2; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:05:56 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro - ctrl+P To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:06:56 +0200 Message-ID: References: <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50649efe30rkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <50649efe30rkp@par.me.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.13 (MsgServe/3.43) (RISC-OS/5.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19lSiWIVpi3GvjpNpQeTNHBK8buJWIf3M9+AHF 8b/E/vpj7388SRlrPKBcxc9oER4hHMtBz0KxmKwJvdVWQ/npsj A9SK19mcV4+JxycijSBvw== X-archive-position: 1584 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9nOBdHzJ2KMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=utxm1nrkAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=vgl2Lfn_4XAsB1vct4UA:9 a=KavUsP3pZTq6qgW_x1oA:7 a=_vM8RCcpEBxjq-e3Vwxeqq4KNIcA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=H8UyDaaUs_NxlXtd:21 a=pHfI-SBf_HRP6_LW:21 In message <50649efe30rkp@par.me.uk> Richard Partridge wrote: > In article <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz>, > Robert Greenfield wrote: >> Also cut (or copy) and paste within OvPro doesn't do the correct >> font styles unless I untick 'Global Clipboard' in Choices. I notice >> that the correct styles ARE copied into the clipboard. > I get this with RO4.39 on Virtual Risc PC, but all seems well on the > Iyonix (just checked on RO5.14). Does Virtual RPC do strange things > with the Windows clipboard and so throw OvPro? I doubt this is a side effect of VRPC as opposed to a real machine, it is much more likely to be caused by the way the global clipboard is handled under RO4.39 (via the ClipboardHolder module). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 2 11:17:05 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MBPtw-0ZPknw-07-9vr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:17:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MBPtw-0ZPknw-07-9vr; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:03:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MBPtw-0ZPknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:03:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MBPtw-0007Ue-Fa for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:03:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E14A7C5B5D1; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:03:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C7x9xPN7rLNM; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74E56C5C064; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Jun 2009 05:02:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15C38C5B5D1 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:02:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fomjVcxwqkJA for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx7.orcon.net.nz (mx7.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.57]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9F11C5B0C4 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Debian-exim by mx7.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBPtJ-00064P-IU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:02:41 +1200 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx7.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBPtJ-00063o-25 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:02:41 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:01:49 +1200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro - ctrl+P Message-ID: <5065050314theboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <9405a66450.roger@Iyonix> References: <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz> <9405a66450.roger@Iyonix> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx7.orcon.net.nz on Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:02:41 +1200 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 2 21:02:41 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.8482 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-archive-position: 1585 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: theboss@webmonster.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9nOBdHzJ2KMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wgaHT7FhAAAA:8 a=an63MGxJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=XtY21J2zAT4Y3PEBpx4A:9 a=Z0hG8BCgzyvdZb4FyhUA:7 a=uy_-NBJis9jeL-ayo6r9Rmds0isA:4 a=HURXEEAAiz4A:10 On 02 Jun, Roger Foden wrote: > In message <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz> > Robert Greenfield wrote: > > A minor annoyance, but Ctrl+P doesn't work (to give a new page). Has > > anyone else found this? > [snip] > Have you perhaps got the 'ImpKeys' script running? It will be in the > !OvnPro.AutoRun directory. It adds many 'familiar' Impression keyboard > shortcuts to OvPro; in my version Ctrl-P shows/hides the page rulers; > Ctrl-G forces a new page (as in Impression). No, I've not got that running (just checked). Funny though - the number of times I still press do ctrl+I to get a new frame... > The 'Enter' key on the numeric keypad forces a new page in OvPro, so > there is an alternative. Thanks for that one. Interestingly though if I go to Misc->Insert->New Page it has ^P listed as its short-cut. regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. RISC OS and Acorn solutions. - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 2 11:17:05 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MBQ1G-1DDknw-06-9oX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:17:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MBQ1G-1DDknw-06-9oX; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:10:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MBQ1G-1DDknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:10:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MBQ1F-0004F1-IR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:10:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00A06C5C068; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:10:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rv4CE-Ogo01A; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88CF0C5A854; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Jun 2009 05:10:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29419C5C06A for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:10:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HrPRBQlLFpU0 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx4.orcon.net.nz (mx4.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 960FEC5C063 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Debian-exim by mx4.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MBQ0c-0004Vv-8D for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:10:14 +1200 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx4.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1MBQ0a-0004V4-Ij for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:10:14 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:09:21 +1200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro - ctrl+P Message-ID: <506505b3b8theboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <50649e94a8peter@newble.com> References: <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50649e94a8peter@newble.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx4.orcon.net.nz on Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:10:14 +1200 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Tue Jun 2 21:10:14 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.8513 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-archive-position: 1586 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: theboss@webmonster.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9nOBdHzJ2KMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=an63MGxJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=h2xdKk1_axcbvvKYdNMA:9 a=SaR7tw2JhSyLUmFDnwoA:7 a=leqhcgN6h3emEB2bPyDOcihTPiYA:4 a=a6GPAEu2-fsA:10 On 02 Jun, Peter Newble wrote: > In article <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz>, Robert > Greenfield wrote: > > A minor annoyance, but Ctrl+P doesn't work (to give a new > > page). Has anyone else found this? > Are you perhaps confusing two kinds of 'new page'. Quite possibly :-) > Ctrl-P, when > the caret is in a text frame, forces a break to the next linked > frame (either autolinked or manually linked). Since the default > document usually consists of one autolinked frame per page, this > means subsequent text is forced to the top of the next page. I do use it for this purpose, but selecting the Misc->Insert->New Page (lists ^P for shortcut) will also create a new page if you are on the last page. Just pressing ^P doesn't do this. > Page > Insert page..., which has no default shortcut, brings up a > dialogue box allowing you to create a new page specifically > before or after the current one. This is of limited use if it > conflicts with dynamic page creation caused by text flowing from > one autolinked frame to the next -- apart from anything else, > blank pages at the end of the document will very soon be deleted > again in this case. However, when creating a booklet which I know > has to be, say, 16 pages long, I often start with an empty 1-page > document, place a static frame on it for the back cover, then > insert fifteen pages before it. Text still flows automatically > from the new page 1 to page 2, page 2 to page 3, etc. as usual, > but the extent of the document is fixed unless it reaches the end > of page 15 and overflows into a new page 17. That's a good idea. Thanks for sharing it :-) > > Also cut (or copy) and paste within OvPro doesn't do the > > correct font styles unless I untick 'Global Clipboard' in > > Choices. I notice that the correct styles ARE copied into the > > clipboard. > I'm not sure what you mean by this. Are you pasting wihin a > document or cutting/copying and pasting between documents? Both. Doing ctrl+C then ctrl+V exhibits different behaviours within OvPro depending on whether I have 'Global clipboard' ticked. regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. RISC OS and Acorn solutions. - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jun 2 11:46:59 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1MBRIR-1deGPo-08-8XM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:46:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1MBRIR-1deGPo-08-8XM; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:32:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1MBRIR-1deGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:32:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1MBRII-0002FP-OP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:32:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B947CC5C179; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 06:32:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WLaJFUlT+8nk; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 06:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42AA3C5C1B8; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 06:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:31:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 056CBC5C179 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 06:31:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IxQCySM48OiR for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 06:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D877C5C167 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 06:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1MBRHZ-0002pu-bg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 10:31:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 11:30:17 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro - ctrl+P References: <506482dc9ftheboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50649e94a8peter@newble.com> <506505b3b8theboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <506505b3b8theboss@webmonster.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1587 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9nOBdHzJ2KMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=h7k_FDiN8B7470rhHpEA:7 a=jvbKdfmuI7rb4Ife7-nlX6pLOCcA:4 a=uKqhzj1yIQn6Cd_h:21 a=uIyJvv1YdMy-tCh_:21 Hi, It is very easy to assign functions to key presses in Ovation Pro. Just about anything you can think of can be assigned to any key combination. So on the one hand don't moan about things not having key presses or the key presses not being what you would like. However there is a problem in that there's no way of seeing what key presses are associated with what functions. You can assign the same key to a style and to e.g. a new page code. The key presses shown on menus can be overridden by keys defined in macros. A good improvement would be a window that showed what the key presses are and where they come from. Anyway you have to be careful, it's easy to leave an old macro file inside OP and have your key combinations behave oddly. Note that if you have multiple definitions for the same key results will change from one press of that key to the next. Turning to new pages. It is possible to turn off automatic page deletion or insertion. That lets you easily create a fixed size document. (Misc->General Preferences). Inserting pages or deleting them whilst automatic page insert/delete is on, can be useful but after 20 years of meeting with glazed expressions I am inclined to not start explaining it again 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling