From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 2 19:14:04 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LU428-1kgknw-08-Cb5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:14:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LU428-1kgknw-08-Cb5; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:00:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LU428-1kgknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:00:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LU427-0001xs-FV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:00:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2A25B8FAF2; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:00:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23458-05; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:00:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A627B8FAE4; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:00:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:00:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0317AB8FA43 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23278-04 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:59:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A03BBB8FA21 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:59:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-193-30.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.193.30]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12IxpJm013701 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 18:59:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:59:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <50276f7062dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <502709f9f4peter@newble.com> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> <502709f9f4peter@newble.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1343 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fcgElSLlbRvaxrCQx4YA:9 a=SfyZpc3troMTL_UCF-wA:7 a=gmYCqxSHEhmEItfLpwJhvs2JOQ8A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=sSR6SV8P9yWHL9hy:21 a=w3qJURi0WrWdza5r:21 In article <502709f9f4peter@newble.com>, Peter Newble wrote: > In article <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > wrote: > > Sorry to be thicko, but I still don't understand. > > 1) My test document only has one page, the master page frame > > is not yet linked to anything, Okay, I've had time to re-digest everything written in answer to my queries. Thanks to Peter for encapsulating the whole kit 'n caboodle. I've decided to create a new test page, as the old one was rather battered from all the misuse applied to it during previous days, which probably contributed a bit to problems encountered. So forget all that went before. I now have a new test page and will apply Peter's suggestions. > It probably is linked if it was created by default, i.e. without > any intervention from you. Frames are linked (to each other or to > themselves) regardless of whether there is enough text in one to > make it follow the link into the next. Go to page > Edit master > pages (ctrl-E in Ovation Pro for RISC OS) and select the 'link > frame' tool (the fifth button down in the default toolbar). There > will probably be a diagonal green arrow indicating that the frame > is aut0-linked (linked to itself, to enable text to flow from a > frame on one page to the equivalent frame in the next). [Snip] Test 1: Copy and Paste. The Auto link arrow in the Master page has been removed. Masterpage closed. Click in document but outside the master frame. Ctrl-Shift-A to select all. It does, including the masterframe (First test run I'll not de-select it). Ctrl-C New document, Ctrl-V Position Caret and yes the whole kit 'n caboodle has copied over, well, well, well! In all the years I've been using OvPro, from its first Beebug release... Never managed to get it to do that, though I tried many a time. Test 2: Copy and Paste, but this time de-select the master frame as I've been told to do. Not convinced, seems to be a bad idea, however, here goes... Click in document but outside the master frame. Ctrl-Shift-A to select all. De-select master frame. Ctrl-C New document, Ctrl-V Hohoho! as I expected, the graphics and any text in text frames transfers okay, but the body text is missing. Test 3: Alt Drag. Same test doc, same condition. Shift-Ctrl-A It does, including the masterframe (Again I'll not de-select it). Alt-Select mouse button, the blue rectangle is present, I drag to a new empty doc page, the outlines of the individual frames moves over, but on dropping it into the new Doc nothing arrives, blank empty. Try that again, this time I'll de-select the master frame. This time only graphics and any text inside a text frame transfer, the body text did not transfer. How interesting, so it seems. This does work but only with Copy and Paste, and the master frame must also be selected. Alt drag doesn't work correctly. Thanks again to all, and particularly Peter. Dave PS: I don't have the !PastePos applet, from whence might it be sourced? -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 2 20:59:08 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LU5kE-2zy000-04-Asz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 20:59:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LU5kE-2zy000-04-Asz; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:50:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LU5kE-2zy000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:50:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LU5kE-0001dw-N0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:50:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CB99B8FCA0; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14160-08; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAC5DB8FC7B; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:49:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64DB6B8FEAA for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:49:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13992-05 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:49:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from a.painless.aaisp.net.uk (a.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A14EB8FEE4 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:49:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from 182.115.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.115.182] helo=Iyog) by a.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LU5jd-0008G4-Et for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:49:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:50:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <5027799a5fgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50276f7062dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> <502709f9f4peter@newble.com> <50276f7062dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1344 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D6XM_EnRAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=EzRmqZO4AAAA:8 a=VVPhO4v87gMY5sLDXowA:9 a=h850ijElqh7DQ1jyr54A:7 a=fP2rq_aAE9pUV6rr4poVMj3ts04A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=iNxG7DD0bgYA:10 a=RuDUii-N2GrG8w19:21 a=X0OT70UIBD0biuS0:21 In article <50276f7062dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > PS: I don't have the !PastePos applet, from whence might it be sourced? http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/opro.php#pastepos -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 2 21:44:10 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LU6VH-19DGPo-06-A7w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:44:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LU6VH-19DGPo-06-A7w; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:38:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LU6VH-19DGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:38:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LU6VH-0006uH-Cg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:38:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA765B901BD; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22308-03; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57FC8B901E3; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:37:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE018B901BD for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:37:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21913-05 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:37:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0D7DB901C7 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:37:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-203-236.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.203.236]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n12LbjJF015822 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 21:37:46 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:10:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <50277b6927dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5027799a5fgav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> <502709f9f4peter@newble.com> <50276f7062dave@triffid.co.uk> <5027799a5fgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1345 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D6XM_EnRAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=79ZI7xiSpORpVIMNu2MA:9 a=B-JVXDfCphvPN1JUgpcA:7 a=ew3T_o5emLx80TxwvIZxmviXN9cA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=6TpySKDHkcfUhpmH:21 a=VeAYFUzQvEj31_QC:21 In article <5027799a5fgav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <50276f7062dave@triffid.co.uk>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > PS: I don't have the !PastePos applet, from whence might it be sourced? > http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/opro.php#pastepos Thanks for that. Cheers Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 2 22:29:11 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LU7Bv-01Iknw-07-9RI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:29:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LU7Bv-01Iknw-07-9RI; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:22:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LU7Bv-01Iknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:22:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LU7Bu-0003ck-Sz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:22:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42C35B90106; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31383-04-2; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD1FFB902BB; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:22:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:22:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8C99B902B5 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31124-10 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost6.localdomain6 (server.microlite18.com [75.125.207.50]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 87E81B902A9 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:22:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.newble.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost6.localdomain6 (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n12MM4jC021142 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:22:06 GMT Received: from 80.176.249.168 (SquirrelMail authenticated user peter@newble.com) by www.newble.com with HTTP; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:22:06 -0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <53104.80.176.249.168.1233613326.squirrel@www.newble.com> In-Reply-To: <50276f7062dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> <502709f9f4peter@newble.com> <50276f7062dave@triffid.co.uk> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 22:22:06 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1346 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=L4VdqnNCESY8XRPXIuMA:9 a=yvaX3SpNpQg_ayCCc0QA:7 a=inORAhC5jhn_xBooh1IkjiuKJE8A:4 a=MxZ3bB5I4kYA:10 a=WEf0Gm71xPe_tPK-:21 a=-kIwkRs_tn1TT1eB:21 > Test 2: Copy and Paste, but this time de-select the master frame as I'v= e > been told to do. Not convinced, seems to be a bad idea The reason someone suggested to deselect the master frame was because, as= a master frame in the default document it would usually be auto-linked, whi= ch would prevent the copy working. So either you (temporarily) remove all li= nks in any of the frames you want to copy (including master frames), as in yo= ur Test 1, or you select only frames which you know are not linked, e.g. by deselecting an auto-linked master frame. > however, here goes... > > Click in document but outside the master frame. > Ctrl-Shift-A to select all. > De-select master frame. > > Ctrl-C > > New document, Ctrl-V > > Hohoho! as I expected, the graphics and any text in text frames transfe= rs > okay, but the body text is missing. Exactly -- it did what you told it to. As I implied before, text in auto-linked frames is not part of any particular page (except, arguably, = the very first page on which the frame occurs) -- it's only flowing through i= t (in one end and out the other). It's like a garden with a stream running through it -- you could move the static elements, such as turf and plants (i.e. self-contained graphics and/or text frames) to another plot, but although you could (somehow?!) move the bed of the stream (auto-linked te= xt frame) too, all the water (text) would run away -- so Ovation Pro doesn't let you try. If you want to show someone elsewhere the stream running through the garden you need to take a picture of it at a particular point= in time (save the page as drawfile or PDF, or print, e.g. to PostScript.). OK, silly analogy, but you might see what I mean. There are good reason f= or not being able to copy auto-linked frames. It's more frustrating when the= re are at least two frames linked to each other on a page, but not back to t= he first, so there's no possibility of text flowing onto or off that page, a= nd yet it still won't let you copy them without de-linking them first and re-linking afterwards. But, in all the years I've been using Ovation Pro, that has very rarely happened, so for me it doesn't register on the scale= of irritation in comparison with other things! Peter Newble. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 3 11:54:50 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LUEzx-1C6knw-01-A9m.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:54:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LUEzx-1C6knw-01-A9m; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:43:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LUEzx-1C6knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:43:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LUEzx-0007Av-5Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:43:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76E1EB90E00; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 01:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07339-05; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 01:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 080D8B90E69; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 01:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:42:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09C63B90E31 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 01:42:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07170-07 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 01:42:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE7DEB90E20 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 01:42:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-201-100.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.201.100]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n136gNdD024111 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 06:42:24 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:42:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <5027afc1a5dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <53104.80.176.249.168.1233613326.squirrel@www.newble.com> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> <502709f9f4peter@newble.com> <50276f7062dave@triffid.co.uk> <53104.80.176.249.168.1233613326.squirrel@www.newble.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1347 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=QnMsQNrnAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xuf-82ml5vkYcyj7P4sA:9 a=TR8EcA40NvZ8Np9Qv9wA:7 a=YzDFJl2mEx7eWk-fHkZBuNRf9rUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In article <53104.80.176.249.168.1233613326.squirrel@www.newble.com>, wrote: [Snip] > Exactly -- it did what you told it to. As I implied before, text in > auto-linked frames is not part of any particular page (except, arguably, > the very first page on which the frame occurs) -- it's only flowing > through it (in one end and out the other). It's like a garden with a > stream running through it -- you could move the static elements, such as > turf and plants (i.e. self-contained graphics and/or text frames) to > another plot, but although you could (somehow?!) move the bed of the > stream (auto-linked text frame) too, all the water (text) would run away > -- so Ovation Pro doesn't let you try. If you want to show someone > elsewhere the stream running through the garden you need to take a > picture of it at a particular point in time (save the page as drawfile > or PDF, or print, e.g. to PostScript.). > OK, silly analogy, but you might see what I mean. There are good reason > for not being able to copy auto-linked frames. It's more frustrating > when there are at least two frames linked to each other on a page, but > not back to the first, so there's no possibility of text flowing onto or > off that page, and yet it still won't let you copy them without > de-linking them first and re-linking afterwards. But, in all the years > I've been using Ovation Pro, that has very rarely happened, so for me it > doesn't register on the scale of irritation in comparison with other > things! > Peter Newble. For the way my brain works a very acceptable analogy. Remains the question thought, why the Alt Drag (Master frame not de-selected) didn't work? Copied nothing in my testing. Be this a bug of some sort? Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 3 22:02:25 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LUTIs-1P2000-01-Ctt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 22:02:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LUTIs-1P2000-01-Ctt; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:59:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LUTIs-1P2000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:59:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LUTIq-00038l-5y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:59:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50286B91C6A; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 16:59:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29684-04; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 16:59:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7065B91C57; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 16:59:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 03 Feb 2009 16:58:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA027B91C6A for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 16:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29477-09 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 16:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99D0CB91C64 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 16:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LUTIE-0006zc-cn for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:58:54 +0000 Message-ID: <$bRF$OD62LiJFw4R@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:57:14 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> <502709f9f4peter@newble.com> <50276f7062dave@triffid.co.uk> <53104.80.176.249.168.1233613326.squirrel@www.newble.com> <5027afc1a5dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5027afc1a5dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1348 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=qJD9kSrL31UUVFyDY4oA:7 a=ZZfXN9pQo86os9HWCin2XkBMIsYA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=l6Ao3g_fWxb_u5uw:21 a=uV4do2OWHUuFcj6k:21 In message <5027afc1a5dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Remains the question thought, why the Alt Drag (Master frame not >de-selected) didn't work? Copied nothing in my testing. >Be this a bug of some sort? No. Intentional. Although it would perhaps be better if it didn't let you start dragging stuff if there is no prospect of the copy taking place. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 4 12:07:33 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LUTdL-318000-01-CZQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:07:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LUTdL-318000-01-CZQ; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:20:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LUTdL-318000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:20:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LUTdC-0005Kd-0A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:20:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86470B91E0D; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00977-02; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F3EDB91E44; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:17:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFD79B91E0D for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00732-10 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0C0CB91DDF for ; Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:16:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LUTYZ-0003mM-eE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:15:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 22:14:29 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: F4 type 5 error References: <501ea6099dchris@highpath.net> <501ea7ded6chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1349 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fzqhduRePKFMHFE63BQA:9 a=_xdenkmKQyNhfoyNiKoA:7 a=x0Ur6lT6LLl96vIqZBbHjg8xYmMA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=4UCPzAR7vKlI1B7q:21 a=BSlZGCZtr0rkFbh0:21 In message , David Pilling writes >In message <501ea7ded6chris@highpath.net>, Chris >writes >>David Pilling wrote: >>> Chris writes >>> >1. Select a word in some text. >>> >2. F4: Find = same word, Replace with = anything, All stories >>> >3. Go >>> >4. Replace: crash! >>> I can reproduce this on both Windows and RISC OS, it seems that >>> selecting "All stories" is the key thing. >> >>> If some text is selected then OP only searches the selected text, so >>> this is an operation that should not be doing very much - the all >>> stories setting should be ignored. > >I appreciate this may irritate, I've fixed the above problem in OP for >Windows before RISC OS, the latest version is available from: > >http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe > >Now I'll fix it for RISC OS... ...and the fixed RISC OS version is now available from: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 4 12:08:03 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LUbv3-2u1GPo-01-CoE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:08:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LUbv3-2u1GPo-01-CoE; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:11:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LUbv3-2u1GPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:11:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LUbus-0000Z0-Ne for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:11:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDDDBB91579; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 02:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10883-09; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 02:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5EA55B91565; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 02:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:08:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB093B91E4A for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 02:08:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10754-07 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 02:08:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1890AB91E5A for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 02:08:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-194-17.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.194.17]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n1478Kr6013152 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 07:08:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:01:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <50283557c6dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$bRF$OD62LiJFw4R@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> <502709f9f4peter@newble.com> <50276f7062dave@triffid.co.uk> <53104.80.176.249.168.1233613326.squirrel@www.newble.com> <5027afc1a5dave@triffid.co.uk> <$bRF$OD62LiJFw4R@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1350 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=cU0BD1UxccIsCX2U_20A:9 a=B4jIaeuVJv9Xxm7WsHUA:7 a=75bo9piN7_Hobi8_yuQrhusdJLMA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=-ulWMqAb8hGILHw8:21 a=2nRMEmM4dtGHo8-g:21 In article <$bRF$OD62LiJFw4R@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <5027afc1a5dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >Remains the question thought, why the Alt Drag (Master frame not > >de-selected) didn't work? Copied nothing in my testing. > >Be this a bug of some sort? > No. Intentional. Although it would perhaps be better if it didn't let > you start dragging stuff if there is no prospect of the copy taking > place. Thanks for the info. This thread has been an interesting experience, from which I've actually learned something new and useful. Thanks again to those who contributed. Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 4 12:08:04 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LUdLl-3GVVbs-02-BNW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:08:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LUdLl-3GVVbs-02-BNW; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:43:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LUdLl-3GVVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:43:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LUdLh-0004ah-DF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:43:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F815B91BD5; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 03:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24620-02; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 03:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92DFCB91718; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 03:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:42:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CAADB91BD5 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 03:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24447-08 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 03:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from queueout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (queueout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.58]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B3AAB91B42 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 03:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090204082025.ZIBE7670.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:20:25 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20090204082025.NNEU19264.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:20:25 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:23:10 GMT Message-ID: <35d53c2850.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> <502709f9f4peter@newble.com> <50276f7062dave@triffid.co.uk> <53104.80.176.249.168.1233613326.squirrel@www.newble.com> <5027afc1a5dave@triffid.co.uk> <$bRF$OD62LiJFw4R@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50283557c6dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50283557c6dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qeqgJkoO_qEA:10 a=cGii7-yxTBsA:10 a=lxnuLpCxY6Sk3ZUAczgA:9 a=NrOqv5PX-Bsci5fUS7dT4O2oY5IA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=mtLVgPPxI64rM4Zf:21 a=nz9GnHBJ-IZyn9sX:21 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1351 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lxnuLpCxY6Sk3ZUAczgA:9 a=njtuusXPiWsS3WkiG20A:7 a=NLjL0QIe2ZbaEEADYeE6a_lYNgsA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=dNUpH3kZj-mqtAV7:21 a=G2yfsXhEDMW3U15F:21 In message <50283557c6dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <$bRF$OD62LiJFw4R@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <5027afc1a5dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes >> writes >>>Remains the question thought, why the Alt Drag (Master frame not >>>de-selected) didn't work? Copied nothing in my testing. >>>Be this a bug of some sort? >> No. Intentional. Although it would perhaps be better if it didn't let >> you start dragging stuff if there is no prospect of the copy taking >> place. > Thanks for the info. > This thread has been an interesting experience, from which I've actually > learned something new and useful. > Thanks again to those who contributed. > Dave You know, the contents of this thread would make a great article in one of our magazines such as Archive. Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 4 12:08:04 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LUdbm-3tSknw-01-B7V.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:08:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LUdbm-3tSknw-01-B7V; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:59:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LUdbm-3tSknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:59:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LUdbh-0004EK-TQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:59:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E8C4B91F2F; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 03:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27009-04; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 03:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDB92B91E8E; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 03:59:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:59:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8A0FB91E75 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 03:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26886-03 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 03:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx5.orcon.net.nz (mx5.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.55]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EB1BB91DB2 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 03:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx5.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LUdb5-0005x1-PD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:59:03 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx5.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LUdb5-0005wW-67 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:59:03 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:59:55 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <5028403255theboss@webmonster.co.nz> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> <502709f9f4peter@newble.com> <50276f7062dave@triffid.co.uk> <53104.80.176.249.168.1233613326.squirrel@www.newble.com> <5027afc1a5dave@triffid.co.uk> <$bRF$OD62LiJFw4R@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50283557c6dave@triffid.co.uk> <35d53c2850.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <35d53c2850.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx5.orcon.net.nz on Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:59:03 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Feb 4 21:59:03 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9687 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1352 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: theboss@webmonster.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=an63MGxJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=QukhoYKO_8zRwMSpgOoA:9 a=HVZclfpeiMMXlH3CnxwA:7 a=64i7tR2eTXjcTNgWcdLj5GRgPwgA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 Thank you to everyone for all the discussion in this thread. I've learned a lot here too. Also thanks to Gavin Crawford for those nice applets. Very handy. The original OvPro document of mine was a single page handout which I want to put into a booklet for my year 9 students. If I did it over again the original page would probably be more appropriately done in Artworks as the text requirements don't need any fancy frames. One of those classic cases where you start the document in one app but later you think about changing to the other app! Makes me wish that OvPro could export as Artworks or Artworks could import OvPro docs (even with certain limitations). That interoperability would be so good :-) regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. RISC OS and Acorn solutions. - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 4 12:08:06 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LUeWS-2heVbs-08-ACp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:08:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LUeWS-2heVbs-08-ACp; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:58:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LUeWS-2heVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:58:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LUeWR-0007cc-TP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:58:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A12CB91B9A; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 04:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03513-06; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 04:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB386B91B95; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 04:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:57:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA0ADB91BAB for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 04:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03340-02 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 04:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.140]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C143B91BA5 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 04:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [88.97.42.81] (helo=chris.cornant) by smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LUeVn-0003vG-Tx for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:57:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:00:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: F4 type 5 error Message-ID: <502845b669chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: References: <501ea6099dchris@highpath.net> <501ea7ded6chris@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-Smarthost01-IP: [88.97.42.81] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1353 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=lQkeLoolAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gYwbeZoMrRLzg5bg9kcA:9 a=eY2R7z8jUBIEf9ePKF4A:7 a=foeOfarxB0RTLLRQtcjXJ8YDtw0A:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=J78uioKTuFNmuHgh:21 a=I5B-iYLsh_TmSb75:21 David Pilling wrote: > >>>Chris writes > >>> >1. Select a word in some text. > >>> >2. F4: Find = same word, Replace with = anything, All stories > >>> >3. Go > >>> >4. Replace: crash! > >>> I can reproduce this on both Windows and RISC OS, it seems that > >>> selecting "All stories" is the key thing. > ...and the fixed RISC OS version is now available from: > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip Thank you David. Chris. -- --------------------------------------------- Chris Bell, Wales, UK chris@highpath.net www.highpath.net --------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 4 13:52:36 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LUi13-36VVbs-08-FEk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:52:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LUi13-36VVbs-08-FEk; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:42:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LUi13-36VVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:42:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LUi13-0000TX-C7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:42:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1827B90BC2; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06150-05; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36796B91152; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:41:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BEFCB90BC2 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05939-05 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.19]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 447F1B911B9 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=standalone) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LUi0R-0003Us-Md for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:41:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:39:30 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <5acb592850.tim@southfarm.plus.com> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> <502709f9f4peter@newble.com> <50276f7062dave@triffid.co.uk> <53104.80.176.249.168.1233613326.squirrel@www.newble.com> <5027afc1a5dave@triffid.co.uk> <$bRF$OD62LiJFw4R@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50283557c6dave@triffid.co.uk> <35d53c2850.alan@ntlworld.com> <5028403255theboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <5028403255theboss@webmonster.co.nz> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/6.14) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Plusnet-Relay: cfda0dea5db452724846f26c46a88c37 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1354 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=v6Aic-fSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=mHI3DBjmOdEcBr99YH8A:9 a=gMgoSVxL0NVUBf-UGcUA:7 a=0jF15x1V2-st9fT7Z4MVVY-5AO4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In message of 4 Feb, Robert Greenfield wrote: > The original OvPro document of mine was a single page handout which I w= ant > to put into a booklet for my year 9 students. If I did it over again th= e > original page would probably be more appropriately done in Artworks as = the > text requirements don't need any fancy frames. > One of those classic cases where you start the document in one app but > later you think about changing to the other app! > Makes me wish that OvPro could export as Artworks or Artworks could imp= ort > OvPro docs (even with certain limitations). > That interoperability would be so good :-) Portable Document Format has to be the real answer. It was a revelation to see Stewart Brookes flinging PDFs between EasiWriter and ArtWorks at Rougol last month. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 4 17:24:00 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LUiH8-0ZzGPo-08-Eyf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:24:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LUiH8-0ZzGPo-08-Eyf; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:59:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LUiH8-0ZzGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:59:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LUiH7-0003u4-La for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:58:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2BFBB91B87; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09642-02; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BD2AB91C99; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:58:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BE28B91C35 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:58:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09486-06 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:58:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6D9DB91B87 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (88-134-62-115-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.62.115]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML2xA-1LUiGV0r1N-0003eI; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:58:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:58:43 +0100 Message-ID: References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> <502709f9f4peter@newble.com> <50276f7062dave@triffid.co.uk> <53104.80.176.249.168.1233613326.squirrel@www.newble.com> <5027afc1a5dave@triffid.co.uk> <$bRF$OD62LiJFw4R@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50283557c6dave@triffid.co.uk> <35d53c2850.alan@ntlworld.com> <5028403255theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <5acb592850.tim@southfarm.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <5acb592850.tim@southfarm.plus.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+ykC60AfPMA+5jftTQdUm7h25wkZ8h0ckUdHS Ij/+KtToSelmyzziEyaDksSG1/9jHgAX3F30TBzslCGkMSoXpA 4C9QjoYH5GTIzAjwPPwp11Rxc5S6aIc X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1355 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fMBug6RcyZSgetO-XCoA:9 a=pRZzWYPj4y-UYaWa2aEA:7 a=sS5tHRU2USP42GMghZIVR5WbkpoA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In message <5acb592850.tim@southfarm.plus.com> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 4 Feb, Robert Greenfield wrote: >> The original OvPro document of mine was a single page handout which I want >> to put into a booklet for my year 9 students. If I did it over again the >> original page would probably be more appropriately done in Artworks as the >> text requirements don't need any fancy frames. >> One of those classic cases where you start the document in one app but >> later you think about changing to the other app! >> Makes me wish that OvPro could export as Artworks or Artworks could import >> OvPro docs (even with certain limitations). >> That interoperability would be so good :-) > Portable Document Format has to be the real answer. It was a revelation > to see Stewart Brookes flinging PDFs between EasiWriter and ArtWorks at > Rougol last month. I wish I had seen that, I am sure I would have learned something. :-) Still, I do not think you would have much joy with that approach in this case, at least with the present state of PDF text import in ArtWorks. At the moment you end up with lots of individual text objects after importing a word processing file, which makes editing a pain. Things might be different if it was possible to turn these text objects into a single text area. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 4 17:24:02 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LUiUB-3FS000-01-Elc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:24:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LUiUB-3FS000-01-Elc; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:12:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LUiUB-3FS000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:12:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LUiUA-0007iW-CS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:12:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 543FAB8FFBC; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12459-02; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFB5BB92012; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:11:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7E40B8FFBC for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12311-03 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net (pih-relay08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8355AB88F7D for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=standalone) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LUiTY-0004fz-31 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:11:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:08:12 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <056c5c2850.tim@southfarm.plus.com> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> <502709f9f4peter@newble.com> <50276f7062dave@triffid.co.uk> <53104.80.176.249.168.1233613326.squirrel@www.newble.com> <5027afc1a5dave@triffid.co.uk> <$bRF$OD62LiJFw4R@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50283557c6dave@triffid.co.uk> <35d53c2850.alan@ntlworld.com> <5028403255theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <5acb592850.tim@southfarm.plus.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/6.14) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Plusnet-Relay: 18d40fefa4032d7cc4618c50b5983e2f X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1356 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=v6Aic-fSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=P3Va6ZHvAw6FBWY5yysA:9 a=D3NMLhU_litqMNoMnCIA:7 a=2c1TvSoAoOjhn34_jJJqJjZKLlwA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In message of 4 Feb, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <5acb592850.tim@southfarm.plus.com> > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >=20 > > In message of 4 Feb, Robert Greenfield wro= te: >=20 > >> The original OvPro document of mine was a single page handout which = I want > >> to put into a booklet for my year 9 students. If I did it over again= the > >> original page would probably be more appropriately done in Artworks = as the > >> text requirements don't need any fancy frames. > >> One of those classic cases where you start the document in one app b= ut > >> later you think about changing to the other app! > >> Makes me wish that OvPro could export as Artworks or Artworks could = import > >> OvPro docs (even with certain limitations). > >> That interoperability would be so good :-) >=20 > > Portable Document Format has to be the real answer. It was a revelat= ion > > to see Stewart Brookes flinging PDFs between EasiWriter and ArtWorks = at > > Rougol last month. >=20 > I wish I had seen that, I am sure I would have learned something. :-) Never mind the learning, it was the entertainment that was such fun, particularly the phone asnwering act giving a sequence o numbers to dial. He even got one of his callers to sing us a song. > Still, I do not think you would have much joy with that approach in=20 > this case, at least with the present state of PDF text import in=20 > ArtWorks. At the moment you end up with lots of individual text=20 > objects after importing a word processing file, which makes editing a=20 > pain. Things might be different if it was possible to turn these text=20 > objects into a single text area. Stewart did take the liberty of suggesting that a future (chargeable) ArtWorks upgrade might extend its capabilities. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 4 22:09:07 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LUpkx-2TT000-08-G1M.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 22:09:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LUpkx-2TT000-08-G1M; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:58:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LUpkx-2TT000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:58:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LUpkr-00048X-QV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:58:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7111DB9511B; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14356-01; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F11D1B95125; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:57:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:57:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BFDAB9511B for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14028-08 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:57:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58CFFB95102 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LUpkF-0002cG-a3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:57:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 21:55:45 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? References: <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> <502709f9f4peter@newble.com> <50276f7062dave@triffid.co.uk> <53104.80.176.249.168.1233613326.squirrel@www.newble.com> <5027afc1a5dave@triffid.co.uk> <$bRF$OD62LiJFw4R@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50283557c6dave@triffid.co.uk> <35d53c2850.alan@ntlworld.com> <5028403255theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <5acb592850.tim@southfarm.plus.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1357 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=JfKa5WM-Kh59ku6PjXgA:7 a=cPO87yhylJkzluVQootpOtXIgmEA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=3mKH-ZimcKltxH9U:21 a=uFLPHae3MB3dXGdJ:21 In message , Martin Wuerthner writes >this case, at least with the present state of PDF text import in >ArtWorks. At the moment you end up with lots of individual text >objects after importing a word processing file, which makes editing a >pain. Things might be different if it was possible to turn these text >objects into a single text area. PDF conversion is akin to Optical Character Recognition - I guess you have to borrow some of the techniques used there, but it is probably a simpler overall job than OCR. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 8 18:39:17 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LWEOH-1hLGPo-04-EdC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 18:39:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LWEOH-1hLGPo-04-EdC; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:28:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LWEOH-1hLGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:28:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LWEOE-0001MV-U4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:28:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 658B3B96825; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 13:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27538-05; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 13:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E37B0B9A38B; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 13:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 08 Feb 2009 13:27:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D069B96825 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 13:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27438-06 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 13:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 995FDB96781 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 2009 13:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LWEMf-0005Vs-pY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:26:46 +0000 Message-ID: <8jsFhhEKOyjJFwiR@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 18:25:14 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? References: <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> <502709f9f4peter@newble.com> <50276f7062dave@triffid.co.uk> <53104.80.176.249.168.1233613326.squirrel@www.newble.com> <5027afc1a5dave@triffid.co.uk> <$bRF$OD62LiJFw4R@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50283557c6dave@triffid.co.uk> <35d53c2850.alan@ntlworld.com> <5028403255theboss@webmonster.co.nz> <5acb592850.tim@southfarm.plus.com> <056c5c2850.tim@southfarm.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <056c5c2850.tim@southfarm.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1358 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uI-QDIqFgfunC1NmgRMA:9 a=Di8j4GT5J9rEGVVCuT8A:7 a=tbI7iGbfV_Qq3XDUB0xvdmHz7ZsA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=NiNasigQZxIsyNyJ:21 a=cm1IEWnXrKDUjxqt:21 In message <056c5c2850.tim@southfarm.plus.com>, Tim Powys-Lybbe writes >> > Portable Document Format has to be the real answer. It was a revelation >> > to see Stewart Brookes flinging PDFs between EasiWriter and ArtWorks at >> > Rougol last month. >> I wish I had seen that, I am sure I would have learned something. :-) From the above, but also from another comment recently about tutorial material. I was looking at a site called "howcast" today. In short now that video is a viable medium someone could produce online pedagogical DTP material. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 11 11:42:22 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LXB5V-4TOVbs-01-Fba.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:42:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LXB5V-4TOVbs-01-Fba; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:08:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LXB5V-4TOVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:08:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LXB5W-0005ki-6H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:08:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92F75BAB2D8; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30449-02; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36C37BAB2E8; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:08:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E043BAB30C for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30321-01 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx3.orcon.net.nz (mx3.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.53]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 258F4BAB302 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx3.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LXB4u-0000gp-6n for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:08:20 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx3.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LXB4t-0000gb-UJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:08:20 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:09:17 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] 'Automatic' contents page possible in OvPro? Message-ID: <502bdbe818theboss@webmonster.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx3.orcon.net.nz on Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:08:20 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Feb 11 22:08:20 2009 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.6808 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1359 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: theboss@webmonster.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5F8qwng6dqYA:10 a=KIQxAAnHSTQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=an63MGxJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=csLRueMwWFkM0qWtG1gA:9 a=NElCXstAEZt30It3ywYA:7 a=ixwDAUvMIi7YwxymD1TbxPdEWRsA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 Hi All, I am making some books for Work and I would like to have a Contents page of chapters (eg. like the one in the OvationPro manual). Is it possible to have this update itself eg. chapter 2 is pages 4-7 and chapter 3 is page 8-12. If I work on chapter 2 and it is now pages 4-8, thus chapter 3 now starts on page 9. regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. RISC OS and Acorn solutions. - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 11 12:11:59 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LXDp2-2s3Vbs-03-Cs3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:11:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LXDp2-2s3Vbs-03-Cs3; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:04:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LXDp2-2s3Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:04:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LXDp2-0007Gg-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:04:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 637E9BAB95C; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06125-08-3; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F08DBBAB98E; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:04:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:03:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9455FBAB95C for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:03:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05972-10 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:03:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60345BAB972 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LXDoP-0000XJ-fl for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:03:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:02:21 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: 'Automatic' contents page possible in OvPro? References: <502bdbe818theboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <502bdbe818theboss@webmonster.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1360 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=M6HMo_D8faMA:10 a=IxJCdZFQbFYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=EyLjg4eHmuXsNN6HzQoA:7 a=j_uQNHt8BbpiClMF4JKLR-JSvyMA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=P9FOnGkq60lWEoQ8:21 a=Wk48eaYwKkiFeerM:21 Hi, In message <502bdbe818theboss@webmonster.co.nz>, Robert Greenfield writes >Is it possible to have this update itself eg. chapter 2 is pages 4-7 and >chapter 3 is page 8-12. >If I work on chapter 2 and it is now pages 4-8, thus chapter 3 now starts >on page 9. Not as far as I know. Originally we intended having contents generation built into the program. There is a contents generation applet. I suspect you have to generate the content each time you change the document. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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Ecartis needs it. // apppost 4995D9CB:1E21.1:qnivqcvyyvat >From g6tsf@amsat.org Fri Feb 13 15:36:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 929F9BC74A4 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:36:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07658-06 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:36:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B4ADBC729E for ; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from g6tsf.demon.co.uk ([83.105.41.119]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LY4ln-0007h9-fl for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:36:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:34:41 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Paul Shayler Disposition-Notification-To: Paul Shayler Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Portable (USB Memory stick) version? References: <2nOHAdFmb2aJFwKr@pilling.demon.co.uk> <41895a2550.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.05-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , David Pilling writes >***** Non-member submission to closed-post list. ***** > >From: Paul Shayler > > >In message , David Pilling > writes >>>From: Paul Shayler >>>I was just wondering, would it be possible to produce a version of OPW >>>that could be installed on and run from a USB Memory stick. This would >>>be like the PortableApps versions of Firefox, Thunderbird, Filezilla >>>etc. As I understand it nothing gets installed on the "host" computer. >> >>This would be a good idea. A few years back one of the memory stick >>makers set up a standard. I've no idea if the above use that standard >>or work some other way. >> >>It is not entirely trivial though because I do use the registry for >>saving some data. >> >> > >The standard you refer to I think is what is known as "U3". I >appreciate that it may be possible to produce a "portable" version, but >may not be easy to sort out use of the registry. > >Paul S. > > Would it be possible to do what is required, by using an ".ini" file? You would then not need to do things in the registry. Paul S -- Paul Shayler M3TSF/G6TSF Running the Internet accelerator ONSPEED. Details at http://www.onspeed.com // eompost 4995D9CB:1E21.1:qnivqcvyyvat From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 16 11:59:23 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZ0sy-1aW000-01-Ccp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:59:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZ0sy-1aW000-01-Ccp; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:39:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZ0sy-1aW000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:39:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZ0sx-0001U3-SL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:39:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52909BD6DF1; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17131-09; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3025BD32D9; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:39:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:38:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E2A0BD7054 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16838-06 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B5ACBD7053 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:38:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [79.123.70.110] (helo=HOBBIT.rogerarm.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZ0sj-0003iP-UL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:39:22 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Darlington X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:38:55 GMT Message-ID: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1361 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rogerarm@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tFkfOvlMYLgA:10 a=MVgMxHj6C7cA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=cyzjesmhyEr_YhAnomUA:9 a=ZZMIkDgkyq4uS6lsQ14A:7 a=xZMJ663e6XLsWHNq9kSCeQ3MNz4A:4 a=uVawpVqKyvgA:10 Thesaurus 1.25, whenever you are tempted to use the mouse scroll wheel in any of its windows, disables and crashes mouse scrolling on the Iyonix RO5.13. What setting should I set !HID to to stop Thesaurus crashing the scroll wheel? Is there any setting in HID which will enable scrolling in Thesaurus without it crashing the mouse scroll wheel? -- Cheers Roger All who wander are not lost To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 16 11:59:24 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZ1F7-1bDknw-04-CGg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:59:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZ1F7-1bDknw-04-CGg; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:02:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZ1F7-1bDknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:02:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZ1F1-00060I-0T for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:02:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17678BD729C; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19817-03; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 906FDBD7294; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:00:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54CCCBAAAE3 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19643-10 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97571BD570B for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 06:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.147] (helo=anti-virus03-10) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LZ1DH-00064l-My for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:00:35 +0000 Received: from [77.99.78.188] (helo=iyonix.nom) by asmtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LZ1DE-0002hs-6u for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:00:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:57:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling Message-ID: <502e790100Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1362 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=a5Gf7U6LAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=21H4DwNIRbpIOggtYpgA:9 a=OHlCaQ5ctAI7O-aUaRcA:7 a=DI9ELft23rtkTMuv3feEoGQ-toUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 In article , Roger Darlington wrote: > Thesaurus 1.25, whenever you are tempted to use the mouse scroll wheel > in any of its windows, disables and crashes mouse scrolling on the > Iyonix RO5.13. > What setting should I set !HID to to stop Thesaurus crashing the > scroll wheel? 'Scroll wheel' from iconbar menu, add a new line (Edit>Add new line), setup application and set no scrolling for both vertical and horizontal. > Is there any setting in HID which will enable scrolling > in Thesaurus without it crashing the mouse scroll wheel? Don't have the program so I'm not sure. Ian -- Ian Hamilton (Iyonix RO5) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 16 12:14:08 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZ2Hb-2kzVbs-08-BEC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:14:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZ2Hb-2kzVbs-08-BEC; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:09:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZ2Hb-2kzVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:09:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZ2Ha-0004Mb-FN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:09:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6418BCE175; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27565-10; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AEBDBCE886; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:08:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C854BD7659 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27432-03 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40307BD7657 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 07:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LZ2Gy-0002z5-bh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:08:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:07:03 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1363 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=K6kcYd-zWfRbnOiRDw8A:7 a=UFy0DNiiAsDSl4BZGlV_MwMQzMQA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=fSKUsegxAXm-ktK1:21 a=OpxujeWejPN91qAp:21 In message , Roger Darlington writes >Thesaurus 1.25, whenever you are tempted to use the mouse scroll wheel >in any of its windows, disables and crashes mouse scrolling on the >Iyonix RO5.13. That is interesting. I wonder why such a thing could happen. Thesaurus (bundled with Ovation Pro (both Windows and RISC OS)) is a simple application. Does it crash every time or just when the windows are near their limits. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 16 14:14:05 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZ46N-1JhVbs-08-9PQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:14:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZ46N-1JhVbs-08-9PQ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:05:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZ46N-1JhVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:05:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZ46N-00023l-0o for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:05:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 647F4BD7BD7; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:05:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10013-07; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:05:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DAC0EBD7C97; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:05:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D447FBD7BD7 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09828-10 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F797BD1444 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZ45l-0004SL-SC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:05:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: OVLIST Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:04:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Sprinter output Message-ID: <502e8a2821philco@heter.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8994/Sun Feb 15 23:37:25 2009, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1364 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=vkLfBJeVAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=HM3zbtt2WISzK574zK8A:9 a=BA3lA2FmJyKTP75k9lkA:7 a=EUD5l8CMjkSIk2hIeXIR3_P6-yQA:4 a=TmLYuLy49JwA:10 a=8owpkGlziCMA:10 Tell me if there is a better way or that it cant be done. If I place an image into an ovationpro page, and I create a box I want to simply enter some text into and then print the page to !Sprinter, I only get the new text box output to the file produce. Can I overcome this or should this not happen anyway. Thanks Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 16 14:29:09 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZ4R7-4R2Vbs-08-94g.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:29:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZ4R7-4R2Vbs-08-94g; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:27:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZ4R7-4R2Vbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:27:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZ4R6-0000Y7-K2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:27:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FC18BD7CE3; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12621-02; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9173EBD7CD6; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:26:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36989BD7CE3 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12504-06 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02DCFBD7CD5 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [79.123.70.110] (helo=HOBBIT.rogerarm.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZ4Qu-0005qF-1s for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:26:52 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Darlington X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:26:16 GMT Message-ID: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1365 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rogerarm@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RkfPDmvuLvGiQjco-zwA:9 a=UfX---ptKmPcIb2nyDMA:7 a=qiYNyVX-f6Dt44CiDUG9k00nkgMA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 On 16 Feb 2009, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Roger Darlington > writes >>Thesaurus 1.25, whenever you are tempted to use the mouse scroll wheel >>in any of its windows, disables and crashes mouse scrolling on the >>Iyonix RO5.13. > > That is interesting. I wonder why such a thing could happen. Thesaurus > (bundled with Ovation Pro (both Windows and RISC OS)) is a simple > application. > > Does it crash every time or just when the windows are near their limits. > > Firstly: [It crashes the scroll wheel if 'HID is set to 'fixed distance']. But after a bit more experimentation: The two windows in Thesaurus seem different... I now have HID wheel-scrolling set to 'scroll request (vertical method)' for Thesaurus. Using the scroll wheel in the LH window of Thesaurus: it now scrolls. Using the scroll wheel in the RH window of Thesaurus and it doesn't scroll, but neither does it crash the scroll wheel. So it half-works with HID for Thesaurus set to 'scroll request (vertical method)' . -- Cheers Roger If I was going there, I wouldn't start from here. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 16 15:14:07 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZ5AH-21IVbs-03-Gs2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:14:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZ5AH-21IVbs-03-Gs2; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:13:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZ5AH-21IVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:13:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZ5A5-0000AS-QA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:13:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62AF2BD78E9; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19682-04; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6005BD7FED; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:13:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:12:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64072BD7900 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19463-06 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B43A8BD7CD8 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:12:49 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAA8RmUnUnw6S/2dsb2JhbADRG4QcBg Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net ([212.159.14.146]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 16 Feb 2009 15:12:45 +0000 Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LZ59I-0002bq-Kr for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:12:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:12:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling Message-ID: <502e905358evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 73c8d749d52052e1f244c25e6f940060 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1366 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kH63oebIyg0Qd8sPpFUA:9 a=mn7YvITrj4PixN_-zWkA:7 a=1NB9URR3z8TAKpapbtJFQILDwGMA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=ZUobKBp0US8iP19_:21 a=uKM3UY_IHyLQbrSh:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message , Roger Darlington > writes > >Thesaurus 1.25, whenever you are tempted to use the mouse scroll wheel > >in any of its windows, disables and crashes mouse scrolling on the > >Iyonix RO5.13. > That is interesting. I wonder why such a thing could happen. There is an as yet unresolved incompatibility between the WimpScroll module and the RISC OS 5 Window Manager. As far as I am aware, the only solution is to disable scrolling for the affected applications. Evan. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 16 16:14:09 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZ5yW-3Voknw-06-G3n.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:14:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZ5yW-3Voknw-06-G3n; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:05:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZ5yW-3Voknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:05:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZ5yI-0004Pe-JY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:05:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B24F0BD8328; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:56:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25629-05; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:56:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37ECCBD83C8; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:56:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:56:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19BC0BD8328 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:56:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25548-01 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-4.concepts.nl (smtp-4.concepts.nl [213.197.30.111]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30EB7BCDDC7 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from d594ee53.static.dsl.concepts.nl ([213.148.238.83] helo=[199.200.201.77]) by smtp-4.concepts.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZ5op-0000We-EU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:55:39 +0100 Message-Id: From: Paul Reuvers To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:55:32 +0100 References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Concepts-MailScanner-Information: Please contact abuse@concepts.nl for more information X-Concepts-MailScanner-ID: 1LZ5op-0000We-EU X-Concepts-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Concepts-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Concepts-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1367 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: paul@xat.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=upWBYrxYkpju6wmekEAA:9 a=6hR_p3V567RksA_pXSIA:7 a=BIZCSBGTbbqG2s7nMgIfi4nlfykA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 Hi Roger (and others), On 16 Feb 2009, at 15:26, Roger Darlington wrote: > On 16 Feb 2009, David Pilling wrote: >> In message , Roger >> Darlington >> writes >>> Thesaurus 1.25, whenever you are tempted to use the mouse scroll >>> wheel >>> in any of its windows, disables and crashes mouse scrolling on the >>> Iyonix RO5.13. >> >> That is interesting. I wonder why such a thing could happen. >> Thesaurus >> (bundled with Ovation Pro (both Windows and RISC OS)) is a simple >> application. >> >> Does it crash every time or just when the windows are near their >> limits. >> >> > Firstly: [It crashes the scroll wheel if 'HID is set to 'fixed > distance']. There is a technical reason for why it crashes, which could arguably called a bug or a mis-feature of RISC OS. As far as I know, it only happens in RISC OS 5. Natively, scrolling is not supported by RSIC OS, so HID has to perform a few tricks. When I developed HID, I noticed that it wasn't possible to implement a single scrolling method, as different programs behave differently. So I developed a couple of methods, which enables people to select the method appropriate for each application. The default method works best for most applications but when embedded windows are used (i.e. a window inside another window), the vertical scrollbar used to scroll the content of your window vertically, may in fact be tied to another window behind it. HID checks the entire window stack for the appropriate flags, in order to make the right decision. [technical mode on] If I recall it correctly, the problem occurs when the main window (say: the 'parent' of the window that must be scrolled) has an indirected title AND both MinX and MinY are set to 0 (i.e the minimum widh and hight of the window). If this is the case, the title isn't stored in the window's workspace, but in the application workspace. HID is a background task (i.e. a module) that access the window 'out of context'. At the time HID tries to read the window's flags, the application space may be mapped out (as another application may be active at that moment). Now, HID doesn't need access to the window title at all, so why does it try to read it? Well, it doesn't. It's done by the window manager when HID tries to read the window flags. When both MinX and MinY are set to 0, a special condition is met. In that case, according to the PRM, the width of the window is set by the window title. Anyway, this is sort of what is happening. A possible solution (for the programmer) is to set the minimum width of a window to 1 rather than 0. [technical mode off] Sorry for this off-topic explanation. X-Ample Technology BV Paul Reuvers info@xat.nl To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 16 16:29:10 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZ68E-4MJVbs-08-Fu5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:29:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZ68E-4MJVbs-08-Fu5; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:15:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZ68E-4MJVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:15:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZ681-0006N8-Qb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:15:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CA64BD17C8; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26299-09; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1F21BD299D; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:02:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52813BD17C8 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26205-04 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F26D4BD17B7 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LZ5ui-0000ul-Oj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:01:44 +0000 Received: from [77.102.224.176] (helo=Shuttle) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1LZ5ui-0000qh-64 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:01:44 +0000 Message-ID: <2FFD2623A2004EDEB1F79CEF02ECB652@Shuttle> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: Subject: [softwarelist] OPW and Windows 7 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:01:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1368 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=N6aAHJkGQ-kA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=1JcS8tnBPqY0sXBKwk0A:9 a=zW1O7aclJin4ey8zdmMA:7 a=RQkbnPgtsKDL6mG_-ijTY0QUZFEA:4 a=6-x43y6uxGMA:10 Not sure if this has been reported before; apologies if it has. I just thought people (and especially David!) might like to know that OPW installs fine on a test version of Windows 7 beta (which I have running in a sandbox on my iMac under Parallels), and happily loads documents created on my XP machine. I haven't been able to give it a proper workout yet; I'll do so when time permits. -- Bruce To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 16 17:44:12 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZ7VW-4RRknw-08-EWn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:44:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZ7VW-4RRknw-08-EWn; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:43:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZ7VW-4RRknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:43:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZ7VR-0007kk-KJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:43:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00418BD51E3; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:42:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07328-05; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DC4BBD9024; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:42:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A61E0BD51E3 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07220-05 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 534A5BD4894 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LZ7Tf-0004l1-ex for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:41:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:40:37 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1370 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=nSn2urBuxmH29MHfEKMA:7 a=3nmJTw3T_rrmhF4i7n5inmVyJsoA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=jWxaNu8svOHJ-ekg:21 a=UjtIaKe3ZVTiB59p:21 In message , Paul Reuvers writes >[technical mode on] All interesting stuff. >A possible solution (for the programmer) is to set the minimum width >of a window to 1 rather than 0. Presumably anyone with a template editor (e.g. a user) could change that? I probably need to think about what you've said. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 16 17:59:13 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZ7Wv-2nMGPo-03-EVO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:59:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZ7Wv-2nMGPo-03-EVO; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:45:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZ7Wv-2nMGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:45:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZ7Ud-0007Rq-8X for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:45:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1DB6BD8D77; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07207-06; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6594CBD8223; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:41:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81CA8BD8D77 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:41:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06971-09 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:41:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C484BD7CB4 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LZ7SL-0005Ah-ZA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:40:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:39:06 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sprinter output References: <502e8a2821philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <502e8a2821philco@heter.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1369 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=vkLfBJeVAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=FDYN0LIXjawMpE7IiswA:7 a=_hwLmo9s4UsNBqc_VXHt_cceMZMA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=8owpkGlziCMA:10 a=5w13L9mCBelXo3bd:21 a=TOrzfjrBm8aX41nn:21 In message <502e8a2821philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil writes >Tell me if there is a better way or that it cant be done. > >If I place an image into an ovationpro page, and I create a box I want to >simply enter some text into and then print the page to !Sprinter, I only >get the new text box output to the file produce. Can I overcome this or >should this not happen anyway. Sprinter should work like any other printer, so you should see text and graphics. So why doesn't it work? Perhaps you've got the print window in Ovation set up to not print pictures, or maybe the picture is outside the printer margins. There may be something odd about the graphic. Try a different one. Looking at it from the opposite direction, does Sprinter work if you print from say Draw, because it has been known for the insides of !Printers to get tied in knots. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 16 17:59:17 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZ7Y6-04RVbs-08-EUD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:59:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZ7Y6-04RVbs-08-EUD; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:46:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZ7Y6-04RVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:46:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZ7Xt-0003dn-Je for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:46:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88E74BD900D; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:44:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07566-01; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:44:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F0D7BD90A0; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:44:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:43:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C671BD9003 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07328-08 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2917BD901B for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LZ7SL-0003IE-cP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:40:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:39:23 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and Windows 7 References: <2FFD2623A2004EDEB1F79CEF02ECB652@Shuttle> In-Reply-To: <2FFD2623A2004EDEB1F79CEF02ECB652@Shuttle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1371 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=lLOKHCZfu_kA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=j8oI5MAmAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tOuRu6h3gD5DfWrXX4wA:9 a=aidTIpOoM7rVcogXz2kA:7 a=2xcGrBhNwJwztpzeRm2IKTgIFfYA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=75RN5w1BdfEA:10 a=wQyrox_RJGn768HD:21 a=QJxmM3q5Sbb7MBm9:21 In message <2FFD2623A2004EDEB1F79CEF02ECB652@Shuttle>, Bruce Goatly writes >Not sure if this has been reported before; apologies if it has. > >I just thought people (and especially David!) might like to know that >OPW installs fine on a test version of Windows 7 beta (which I have >running in a sandbox on my iMac under Parallels), and happily loads >documents created on my XP machine. I haven't been able to give it a >proper workout yet; I'll do so when time permits. Nice to know. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 16 17:59:17 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZ7Ya-08xVbs-08-ETj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:59:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZ7Ya-08xVbs-08-ETj; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:47:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZ7Ya-08xVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:47:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZ7YI-0004L3-27 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:46:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1DB6BD8D77; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07207-06; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6594CBD8223; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:41:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81CA8BD8D77 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:41:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06971-09 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:41:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C484BD7CB4 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LZ7SL-0005Ah-ZA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:40:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:39:06 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sprinter output References: <502e8a2821philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <502e8a2821philco@heter.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1369 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=vkLfBJeVAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=FDYN0LIXjawMpE7IiswA:7 a=_hwLmo9s4UsNBqc_VXHt_cceMZMA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=8owpkGlziCMA:10 a=5w13L9mCBelXo3bd:21 a=TOrzfjrBm8aX41nn:21 In message <502e8a2821philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil writes >Tell me if there is a better way or that it cant be done. > >If I place an image into an ovationpro page, and I create a box I want to >simply enter some text into and then print the page to !Sprinter, I only >get the new text box output to the file produce. Can I overcome this or >should this not happen anyway. Sprinter should work like any other printer, so you should see text and graphics. So why doesn't it work? Perhaps you've got the print window in Ovation set up to not print pictures, or maybe the picture is outside the printer margins. There may be something odd about the graphic. Try a different one. Looking at it from the opposite direction, does Sprinter work if you print from say Draw, because it has been known for the insides of !Printers to get tied in knots. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 16 17:59:17 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZ7Zg-3r9Vbs-01-ESd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:59:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZ7Zg-3r9Vbs-01-ESd; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:48:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZ7Zg-3r9Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:48:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZ7ZT-0001bB-Uw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:48:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55E06BD911C; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07800-10; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1273BD9104; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:45:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E67A9BD90F3 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:45:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07680-06 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:45:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.188.63]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 1E86BBD90CE for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 12:45:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70105 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2009 17:44:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Content-Type; b=gGIeYPHXbrfkApykp4R+yAW6PyY1ARmPTu8+SwSUG4XBwO9rL10VdrKmPHs7mzOxe+hBmWwNdyGh6L12ACvJR5SxrAXIaXKSxuXYFvk/fwikZfZXJBBkWoFTQKzDZDXCVZCmoeoZuPKtuVGKK89p0G8/8v6WDaXAvg77eXFB/Ro= ; Received: from unknown (HELO TEDLACEY2) (arthur7hr@86.172.141.82 with login) by smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2009 17:44:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yhpBg7AVM1mjrYqeJC2mliwWaLL5MjwgNaPq3RrSB0e8bsV6M7I6tmMiDb1P.l2Sgq.7qHLaL4GkLiGwx8eKzbPkLTYsL8w.XLc3StwkH0l.DNjEJzXw5b4bi9Blnl77s0ouE.xXofjBCNw5tfFuMwXg4Gxn80wsGW0D7YAbQfMscD1fSF0Y1hU- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 8.0.237 [270.10.25/1955]); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:45:08 +0000 Message-ID: <1612E1C426B84E35888B3FF823D14161@TEDLACEY2> From: "ARTHUR LACEY" To: References: <2FFD2623A2004EDEB1F79CEF02ECB652@Shuttle> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and Windows 7 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:45:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; 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charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Bruce Goatly" wrote To: Subject: [softwarelist] OPW and Windows 7 > Not sure if this has been reported before; apologies if it has. > > I just thought people (and especially David!) might like to know that > OPW installs fine on a test version of Windows 7 beta (which I have > running in a sandbox on my iMac under Parallels), and happily loads > documents created on my XP machine. I haven't been able to give it a > proper workout yet; I'll do so when time permits. Did you mean Version 8 beta? I have used it for sseveral months and a couple of weeks ago Version 8 was released. No problems so far. Ted Lacey --=======AVGMAIL-4999A6240000======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-4999A6240000=======" --=======AVGMAIL-4999A6240000======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: "AVG certification" No virus found in this outgoing message. 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I haven't been able to give it >> a >> proper workout yet; I'll do so when time permits. > > > Did you mean Version 8 beta? I have used it for sseveral months and > a > couple of weeks ago Version 8 was released. No problems so far. Well, Microsoft are calling it Windows 7 beta; I'm not sure what version number I've got, though the desktop has 'Build 7000' on it. Maybe I need to update it (I downloaded it a couple of weeks ago but didn't get round to installing it until yesterday). -- Bruce To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 16 19:59:18 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZ9ON-0FbVbs-04-Cdw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:59:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZ9ON-0FbVbs-04-Cdw; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:44:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZ9ON-0FbVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:44:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZ9OG-0006sW-WC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:44:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4CAEDBD950F; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23422-06; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA94FBD9089; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:43:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3A00BD8821 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23310-04 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from b.painless.aaisp.net.uk (b.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.30.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80B3EBD903E for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:43:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from 170.90.155.90.in-addr.arpa ([90.155.90.170] helo=standalone.Ashlan) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZ9NY-0001l3-Ef for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:43:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: OVLIST Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:43:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Sprinter output Message-ID: <502ea9245fphilco@heter.co.uk> References: <502e8a2821philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.94/8994/Sun Feb 15 23:37:25 2009, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1374 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=vkLfBJeVAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=9JuRD7IsWoKNNhIHhyoA:9 a=RYF_AhWJdWvlKoiga7UA:7 a=dZmc_FkJ0GLPBXGlvXbcCqz9nbsA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=8owpkGlziCMA:10 a=ibuwSuW_OIWmBnae:21 a=erwjN7flFR18ZJP8:21 On 16 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > In message <502e8a2821philco@heter.co.uk>, Phil > writes > >Tell me if there is a better way or that it cant be done. > > > >If I place an image into an ovationpro page, and I create a box I want > >to simply enter some text into and then print the page to !Sprinter, I > >only get the new text box output to the file produce. Can I overcome > >this or should this not happen anyway. > Sprinter should work like any other printer, so you should see text and > graphics. > So why doesn't it work? > Perhaps you've got the print window in Ovation set up to not print > pictures, or maybe the picture is outside the printer margins. > There may be something odd about the graphic. Try a different one. > Looking at it from the opposite direction, does Sprinter work if you > print from say Draw, because it has been known for the insides of > !Printers to get tied in knots. Well its just too simple isn't it and I may have been premature in posting. Yes I tried a different graphic, and removing the box. Indeed I've always managed to !Sprinter a letterhead in ovation which is made up of sprites and additional draw modifications in the header. This I do regularly were I send a copy of the page as a JPEG (yes I think I was instructed in this forum this was a poor conversion). However this time it was a jpeg image in a full page separate frame, and then a box containing three lines of text in the middle and on top of the image. as I explained only the text box printed. Should have looked at the obvious, thanks David. Print window in Ovation set up to not print pictures was the problem. Ok I'd think I was a silly wazz, however the page was built up on a 'blank' page I use just for this purpose and in there, the option is not ticked, so I don't know how that became ticked, and of course I had not notice it was ticked each time I tried !Sprinting the problem document. Sorry to have trouble you all but thank you very much. Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From ecartis@freelists.org Mon Feb 16 20:29:18 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZ9yW-3qpVbs-04-C3n.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:29:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZ9yW-3qpVbs-04-C3n; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:21:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZ9yW-3qpVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:21:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZ9yV-0002H0-7l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:21:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F196BD9D79 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28895-06 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7D8ABD9D70 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:21:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling-moderators@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling-moderators@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEFA9BD9D79 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28837-09 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FFB1BD9D70 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from freelists.org by freelists.org (ECARTIS/1.0.0); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:21:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:21:52 -0500 (EST) From: FreeLists Mailing List Manager Reply-To: info@xat.nl To: davidpilling-moderators@freelists.org Message-ID: X-ecartis-antiloop: freelists.org Precedence: list Subject: davidpilling: info@xat.nl post needs approval X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=q9tkSajA0lAA:10 a=BGrp8OHTqWQA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=hG9pAhrEOxFK0nGtFi8A:9 a=q_uWcPEqDkeUhGS2-MMA:7 a=aS7A8hCqQoU5th0a5dErtTf4BRgA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=vaF4yFaCieYA:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=7mHxDcH1kYvIafkt:21 a=PYf6b5yRZF0B_BSB:21 This message was received for a list you are a moderator on, and was marked for moderation due to the following reason: Non-member submission to closed-post list. 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Ecartis needs it. // apppost 4999CAE0:7116.1:qnivqcvyyvat >From info@xat.nl Mon Feb 16 15:21:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3437FBD9D79 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28895-05 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:21:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-1.concepts.nl (smtp-1.concepts.nl [213.197.30.124]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F2E3BD9D70 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:21:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from d594ee53.static.dsl.concepts.nl ([213.148.238.83] helo=[199.200.201.77]) by smtp-1.concepts.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZ9yK-0000CC-I1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:21:44 +0100 Message-Id: <9563F40E-9A1B-46CD-A3FF-1E043DE8C1F4@xat.nl> From: Paul Reuvers To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:21:40 +0100 References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Concepts-MailScanner-Information: Please contact abuse@concepts.nl for more information X-Concepts-MailScanner-ID: 1LZ9yK-0000CC-I1 X-Concepts-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Concepts-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Concepts-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Hi David, Yes, it's rather easy to fix. I suppose you don't need the title width to set the width of the window, so you can safely set the MinX and MinY values (or at least one of them) to one. This is also the value that the original Acorn Template Editor defaults to. As far as I know, the problem only shows up on RISC OS 5, but it was introduced much earlier in life. It probably never showed up as earlier systems used a different memory layout. In other words: trying to read the window flags from an out-of-context program might always have lead to an illegal memory pointer being accessed. However, as long as that pointer was pointing to some valid contents, it would work. Apparently, in RISC OS 5 it was suddenly pointing nowhere, resulting in an Abort. Best regards, Paul On 16 Feb 2009, at 18:40, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Paul > Reuvers writes >> [technical mode on] > > All interesting stuff. > >> A possible solution (for the programmer) is to set the minimum >> width of a window to 1 rather than 0. > > Presumably anyone with a template editor (e.g. a user) could change > that? > > I probably need to think about what you've said. > > > -- > David Pilling > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.davidpilling.net > post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 > 1LR UK > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling // eompost 4999CAE0:7116.1:qnivqcvyyvat From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 16 20:44:19 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZAJQ-14rGPo-04-Bit.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:44:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZAJQ-14rGPo-04-Bit; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:43:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZAJQ-14rGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:43:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZAJM-0001Wj-UQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:43:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2017BD9BCE; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:43:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31730-04; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:43:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F5FFBD9D0F; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:43:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:42:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3958DBD9BCE for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:42:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31499-06 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:42:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 765DABD9B62 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LZAIj-00031e-dA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:42:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:41:39 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1375 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=L5Hg2HBpWRgbneHpQA8A:9 a=EUXForCbTLnWEvSJygcA:7 a=EfoNdIagEKAQeyc0z6aDwh9xaXUA:4 a=htsp1cwEuSoA:10 ** Reposted ** From: Paul Reuvers Hi David, Yes, it's rather easy to fix. I suppose you don't need the title width to set the width of the window, so you can safely set the MinX and MinY values (or at least one of them) to one. This is also the value that the original Acorn Template Editor defaults to. As far as I know, the problem only shows up on RISC OS 5, but it was introduced much earlier in life. It probably never showed up as earlier systems used a different memory layout. In other words: trying to read the window flags from an out-of-context program might always have lead to an illegal memory pointer being accessed. However, as long as that pointer was pointing to some valid contents, it would work. Apparently, in RISC OS 5 it was suddenly pointing nowhere, resulting in an Abort. Best regards, -- Paul To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 17 11:51:33 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZOF9-2kBGPo-08-EqC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:51:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZOF9-2kBGPo-08-EqC; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:36:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZOF9-2kBGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:36:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZOF4-0005Cq-DN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:36:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 202D8BDC3EA; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01631-02; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CE70BDC5B7; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:35:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD654BDC3EA for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:35:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01403-09 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:35:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BB6DBDC561 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:35:19 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEADowmknUnw6U/2dsb2JhbADRJYQTBg Received: from fhw-relay07.plus.net ([212.159.14.148]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 17 Feb 2009 11:35:18 +0000 Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by fhw-relay07.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LZOEQ-0003W4-Au for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:35:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:34:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling Message-ID: <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 1d99c4917dbc55cd9e00de27f59d7b23 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1376 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=X_fSUUCJEQCUvHU1GeoA:9 a=hsm8SzHByDEpDAl-OQwA:7 a=kAXvbaH3FkE2gZTe5ZHrDaSrglsA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=236S7TCwI0pdnLVw:21 a=Lf0wN4pjC-ovnUZG:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > ** Reposted ** > From: Paul Reuvers > Hi David, > Yes, it's rather easy to fix. I suppose you don't need the title width > to set the width of the window, so you can safely set the MinX and > MinY values (or at least one of them) to one. This is also the value > that the original Acorn Template Editor defaults to. Wow! With that info I've now been able to remove all of the applications I had set to 'No scrolling' in HID's Scroll wheel list. Many thanks, :))) Evan. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 17 16:58:21 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZTAN-4cH000-02-9uy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:58:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZTAN-4cH000-02-9uy; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:51:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZTAN-4cH000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:51:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZTAM-0003cP-LB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:51:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71091BDD97D; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18822-08; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1785BDD9DD; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:50:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4F4DBDD992 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18718-02 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF468BDD98F for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-165-136.freeuk.com ([80.168.165.136] helo=HOBBIT.rogerarm.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZTA9-00064U-AC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:51:13 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Darlington X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:50:44 GMT Message-ID: <6a2b1d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1377 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rogerarm@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=WvkbibJGfNkyjGIENuIA:9 a=fPkzSF6pBdFkzsM62UUA:7 a=G0AqAof1IODkhjmLL_D5pFqa8G0A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=kIP3DMuH4a1Q9Iid:21 a=LPIslzs1YnZO1i_3:21 On 17 Feb 2009, Evan Clark wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > >> ** Reposted ** > >> From: Paul Reuvers > > >> Hi David, > >> Yes, it's rather easy to fix. I suppose you don't need the title width >> to set the width of the window, so you can safely set the MinX and >> MinY values (or at least one of them) to one. This is also the value >> that the original Acorn Template Editor defaults to. > > Wow! With that info I've now been able to remove all of the applications > I had set to 'No scrolling' in HID's Scroll wheel list. Until the next update to those apps, which may not have the templates altered. Then you would have to remember, a) what to do b) how to do it c) do it again. -- Cheers Roger Yesterday never goes. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 17 17:13:21 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZTJT-0qc000-04-9ls.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:13:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZTJT-0qc000-04-9ls; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:00:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZTJT-0qc000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:00:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZTJS-0006JL-Kr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:00:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77A95BDABB7; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:59:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20774-06; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:59:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03C89BDAA7D; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:59:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:59:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA3B7BDD97A for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20509-07 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 772FABDDAAA for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-165-136.freeuk.com ([80.168.165.136] helo=HOBBIT.rogerarm.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZTHz-00067B-Kb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:59:19 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Darlington X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:58:51 GMT Message-ID: <94e91d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1378 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rogerarm@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=A8klO2SsUPq4yQmE79UA:9 a=4aU9hN7GRS4XklGLYGQA:7 a=TTB1S8JrG_3-0dIiQJkxGNK4VlcA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=viUkQ19J6q3yyeNL:21 a=_abHdDxOFQ4-TAAO:21 On 17 Feb 2009, Evan Clark wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > >> ** Reposted ** > >> From: Paul Reuvers > > >> Hi David, > >> Yes, it's rather easy to fix. I suppose you don't need the title width >> to set the width of the window, so you can safely set the MinX and >> MinY values (or at least one of them) to one. This is also the value >> that the original Acorn Template Editor defaults to. > > Wow! With that info I've now been able to remove all of the applications > I had set to 'No scrolling' in HID's Scroll wheel list. Could you explain how you did it. I found 8 windows in Thesaurus. Altered all 8 windows to minX=1, re-saved the Template file. Now when I run Thesaurus, three separate windows pop up!! Something clearly not right> > > Many thanks, :))) > > Evan. > > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling > > -- Cheers Roger All good things come to an Ent. Hooooooom. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 17 17:13:21 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZTM3-0Ir000-01-9jI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:13:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZTM3-0Ir000-01-9jI; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:03:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZTM3-0Ir000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:03:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZTLx-0000t4-KV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:03:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C82B9BDA7F7; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22404-02; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57EB3BDA598; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:02:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EB5ABDD6EC for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22189-05 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:02:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.100]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D181ABDA93E for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:02:43 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAFd8mknUnw4R/2dsb2JhbADTKYQTBg Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net ([212.159.14.17]) by relay.pcl-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 17 Feb 2009 17:02:42 +0000 Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LZTLF-0007kC-UY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:02:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:02:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling Message-ID: <502f1e38c8evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6a2b1d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <6a2b1d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: d7af655828139356b196a37974399170 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1379 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=QHK-SIv7RY12qUa1Yc0A:9 a=CuHw9uy4rQx4EjYdGUsA:7 a=nuV2r2nOxd39VV2W1NlFAVG-8-MA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 In article <6a2b1d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington wrote: > On 17 Feb 2009, Evan Clark wrote: [Snip] > > > > Wow! With that info I've now been able to remove all of the > > applications I had set to 'No scrolling' in HID's Scroll wheel list. > Until the next update to those apps, which may not have the templates > altered. Then you would have to remember, > a) what to do > b) how to do it > c) do it again. It's not too difficult to add a ReadMe alongside/within each application giving the relevant details and a reference to this thread. Evan. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 17 17:28:22 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZTjQ-2d7knw-03-9Lv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:28:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZTjQ-2d7knw-03-9Lv; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:27:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZTjQ-2d7knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:27:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZTjQ-0006w3-73 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:27:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6569BDDBB7; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26634-04; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30ADEBDDB81; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:27:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74ECDBDDBB7 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26458-03 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net [212.159.7.36]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 231B8BDDB97 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:27:02 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEADOCmknUnw4T/2dsb2JhbADTO4QTBg Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net ([212.159.14.19]) by relay.ptn-ipout02.plus.net with ESMTP; 17 Feb 2009 17:27:01 +0000 Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LZTin-0006Yq-6K for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:27:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:26:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling Message-ID: <502f207947evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <94e91d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <94e91d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 091b4afc552167b473b57fae3e6592ed X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1380 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=9cNwrlfozgYatXnXZ84A:9 a=L1mov7WHOi7NnlNsOuEA:7 a=UES1NFNUQSOZYxfyUzFG6jKLN9kA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 In article <94e91d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington wrote: > On 17 Feb 2009, Evan Clark wrote: [Snip] > > > > Wow! With that info I've now been able to remove all of the > > applications I had set to 'No scrolling' in HID's Scroll wheel list. > Could you explain how you did it. > I found 8 windows in Thesaurus. Altered all 8 windows to minX=1, > re-saved the Template file. I altered only synW and bigsynW. > Now when I run Thesaurus, three separate windows pop up!! > Something clearly not right> Avoid moving the windows when working on them? You would probably best to start again with a vanilla copy of the Templates file. Evan. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 17 19:28:26 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZVZs-23wGPo-01-G1z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:28:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZVZs-23wGPo-01-G1z; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:25:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZVZs-23wGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:25:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZVZn-0007Dl-GX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:25:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DBD6BDE8B9; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00862-09; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02A0ABDE8BC; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:15:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9EC2BDE8B9 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00699-03 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C02C3BDE8B7 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-165-136.freeuk.com ([80.168.165.136] helo=HOBBIT.rogerarm.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZUTu-0006jI-KY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:15:42 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Darlington X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:15:14 GMT Message-ID: <99e7242f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <94e91d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f207947evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <502f207947evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1381 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rogerarm@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tuBIqPe7lfvPq_m8HekA:9 a=aBUdlZw3BkHkdfRePPIA:7 a=J--lZCp9b7lVwiun3ZjChZ4bklcA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 On 17 Feb 2009, Evan Clark wrote: > In article <94e91d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington > wrote: > >> On 17 Feb 2009, Evan Clark wrote: > > [Snip] > >> > >> > Wow! With that info I've now been able to remove all of the >> > applications I had set to 'No scrolling' in HID's Scroll wheel list. > >> Could you explain how you did it. > >> I found 8 windows in Thesaurus. Altered all 8 windows to minX=1, >> re-saved the Template file. > > I altered only synW and bigsynW. > >> Now when I run Thesaurus, three separate windows pop up!! > >> Something clearly not right> > > Avoid moving the windows when working on them? > > You would probably best to start again with a vanilla copy of the > Templates file. OK, thanks Ewan.Started from anew. Used !WindowEd. Altered only the two windows you mention. Saved template. Thesaurus runs normally. Good! LH window scrolls. RH window still does not scroll. HID set to: Scroll request. Can you scroll BOTH windows? > > Evan. > > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling > > -- Cheers Roger Would you like to see my gas bill? To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 17 20:28:28 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZWOm-359knw-03-FD5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:28:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZWOm-359knw-03-FD5; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:18:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZWOm-359knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:18:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZWOh-0003jb-Ui for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:18:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EC88BB7678; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15663-09; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8999BD839A; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:13:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 044F2BB7678 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:13:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15556-02 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7A4FBDB48A for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:13:21 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAO6omknUnw4S/2dsb2JhbADUAYQTBg Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net ([212.159.14.18]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 17 Feb 2009 20:11:14 +0000 Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LZWHi-0001H8-6x for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:11:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:09:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling Message-ID: <502f2f5d10evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <99e7242f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <94e91d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f207947evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <99e7242f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 9f6c66980c9d7e65601f06432c69bf72 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1382 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=H8z1sPCNXWa5OaZ6K7oA:9 a=Yx0AUNfYmN4Ce1SH2sMA:7 a=WYKKcsGbXI-AkCJnrxHK50wNZTQA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 In article <99e7242f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, Roger Darlington wrote: > LH window scrolls. RH window still does not scroll. > HID set to: Scroll request. I no longer have an entry in HID for Thesaurus. > Can you scroll BOTH windows? Only when there is sufficient data in the Synonyms/Antonyms pane. In the Keywords pane, try clicking on 'abase' or 'abate', for example. Evan. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 17 20:43:28 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZWk8-1veknw-04-Erj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:43:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZWk8-1veknw-04-Erj; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:40:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZWk8-1veknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:40:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZWk3-0007W6-Ud for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:40:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 555E0BDCF71; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18711-10; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D475FBDC9FF; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:31:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:30:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 437F5BDA87B for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18559-10 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 085C9BB6D6F for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:30:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-165-136.freeuk.com ([80.168.165.136] helo=HOBBIT.rogerarm.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZWaa-0002Ig-RO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:30:45 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Darlington X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:30:17 GMT Message-ID: References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <94e91d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f207947evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <99e7242f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f2f5d10evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <502f2f5d10evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1383 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rogerarm@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-3nEH4HWJmoXL8zqk4UA:9 a=ot0_Uim5aZJ7YAA_rG4A:7 a=ILg7AiPRdxsKwlWbYR93T2i6k4wA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 On 17 Feb 2009, Evan Clark wrote: > In article <99e7242f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com>, > Roger Darlington wrote: > >> LH window scrolls. RH window still does not scroll. > >> HID set to: Scroll request. > > I no longer have an entry in HID for Thesaurus. > >> Can you scroll BOTH windows? > > Only when there is sufficient data in the Synonyms/Antonyms pane. In the > Keywords pane, try clicking on 'abase' or 'abate', for example. I have suffiicient data in there. It still doesn't scroll... What HID settings do you have? > > Evan. > > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling > > -- Cheers Roger To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 17 21:28:30 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZXJs-0i6GPo-02-EHz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:28:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZXJs-0i6GPo-02-EHz; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:17:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZXJs-0i6GPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:17:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZXJl-00026h-MQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:17:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E19DBB59D3; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:08:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23777-10; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:08:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BA07BDFEF0; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:08:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:07:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B453CBDC934 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23699-04 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85805BDFC42 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:02:47 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAFu0mknUnw4T/2dsb2JhbADTW4QTBg Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net ([212.159.14.19]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 17 Feb 2009 21:02:38 +0000 Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LZX5R-0004BX-Ng for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:02:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:02:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling Message-ID: <502f3431f5evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <94e91d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f207947evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <99e7242f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f2f5d10evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: c81d285304f7ff5f16ce243b8595fbc3 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1384 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gmooKnLt1EiEhMOmf00A:9 a=R2hwKCIPjklnqUzbAqcA:7 a=qCaPs3Y35OJwATS_EQGG56eEaWcA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 In article , Roger Darlington wrote: > What HID settings do you have? In HID choices, Scroll wheel tab: Scroll wheel support is ticked. Vertical and Horizontal are both set to Part of visual area with Step 4 units. Interactive scrolling is ticked Smooth scrolling is ticked Limit buffer is ticked Reverse wheel direction is unticked Evan. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 17 21:43:30 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZXbc-27oVbs-04-E0F.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:43:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZXbc-27oVbs-04-E0F; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:35:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZXbc-27oVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:35:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZXbR-0002fs-JU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:35:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24862BDADCC; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26788-06; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:30:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A898CBDAAE8; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:30:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:29:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8E63BDADCC for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:29:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26256-10 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:29:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 288DFBDABC0 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LZU0p-0003PQ-dP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:45:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:44:15 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <94e91d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f207947evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <502f207947evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1385 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=7vtFykjVAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=B6Zd1MdSsU1qlRU1ii8A:9 a=Dh9u5VZZ5hQA-ElcU50A:7 a=2oxlSoAyya2XxCdS7vd1Syh_VxsA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=eqYcloKxf3k7hr8i:21 a=-mf2J0AquH4l4ALm:21 In message <502f207947evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, Evan Clark writes >You would probably best to start again with a vanilla copy of the >Templates file. I guess if someone sends me a copy of the fixed, working template file, I'll add it to the current thesaurus/upgrade. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 17 21:58:31 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZXjH-13yGPo-03-Dsa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:58:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZXjH-13yGPo-03-Dsa; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:43:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZXjH-13yGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:43:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZXjE-0000FZ-UV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:43:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95F33BDFA17; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28992-05; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23BE0BDFA14; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:43:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F046BDFA17 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28842-05 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4924ABDFB8A for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from adsl-165-136.freeuk.com ([80.168.165.136] helo=HOBBIT.rogerarm.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZXiw-0003x7-Qs for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:43:27 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Darlington X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:42:59 GMT Message-ID: References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <94e91d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f207947evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <99e7242f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f2f5d10evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <502f3431f5evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <502f3431f5evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1386 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rogerarm@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yLTmqoSTT9L5OcFVErEA:9 a=jPXPDO5By4e0JbTKe1QA:7 a=AApeKHuqvHReELXrUIb3SfgNm4EA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 On 17 Feb 2009, Evan Clark wrote: > In article , > Roger Darlington wrote: > >> What HID settings do you have? > > In HID choices, Scroll wheel tab: > > Scroll wheel support is ticked. > > Vertical and Horizontal are both set to Part of visual area with Step 4 > units. > Does this result in the LH scrolling running out of data? It does here, the window becomes blank if I scroll more than a dozen? words. > Interactive scrolling is ticked > > Smooth scrolling is ticked > > Limit buffer is ticked > > Reverse wheel direction is unticked > > Evan. > > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling > > -- Cheers Roger Off-road doesn't mean on-pavement. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 18 12:13:40 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZZL6-2JK000-01-CGl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:13:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZZL6-2JK000-01-CGl; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:26:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZZL6-2JK000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:26:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZZL4-0006df-Ui for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:26:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C0FDBDE8E9; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10384-04-2; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEBC3BDF760; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:26:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3D94BDE9B7 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09952-08 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68616BDE652 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:26:16 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAJLWmknUnw4U/2dsb2JhbADTfYQTBg Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 17 Feb 2009 23:26:15 +0000 Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LZZKQ-0000n3-WA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:26:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:23:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling Message-ID: <502f4127baevan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <94e91d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f207947evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 451674d691e4ee3d68b251e89904ec11 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1388 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=7vtFykjVAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8l5ISPDLm2r50s4Yd-kA:9 a=PGiI3qkJCslIIbPPJOMA:7 a=g1LbJ31Jcs-0lBhbd8rs2ds0R_UA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=68eh0mmcBhM3sqcM:21 a=Z9NUob9RpsGZa5he:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <502f207947evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, Evan Clark > writes > >You would probably best to start again with a vanilla copy of the > >Templates file. > I guess if someone sends me a copy of the fixed, working template file, > I'll add it to the current thesaurus/upgrade. Tinkering with the templates file alone doesn't seem to provide a complete solution - see my reply to Roger. I expect you wouldn't be happy to distribute it in that state. Evan. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 18 12:13:40 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZZL7-1bEknw-03-CGk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:13:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZZL7-1bEknw-03-CGk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:26:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZZL7-1bEknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:26:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZZL3-0000zC-Cs for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:26:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30B4DBDE98C; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10328-07; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D7A9BDE8E9; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:26:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 457BEBDE69A for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09973-05 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB5ADBDE652 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:26:15 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAJLWmknUnw4U/2dsb2JhbADTfYQTBg Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 17 Feb 2009 23:26:15 +0000 Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LZZKQ-0000n3-Li for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:26:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:20:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling Message-ID: <502f40d826evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <94e91d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f207947evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <99e7242f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f2f5d10evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <502f3431f5evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 3861edbc39d609e2afb5241b7e6a38e5 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1387 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-L7fZhiwbH9LOqjKE98A:9 a=Dj4dQbjhz5v0j_8rWTsA:7 a=85jUD9apBOokPgcS-MSFRDdpLJ4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 In article , Roger Darlington wrote: > On 17 Feb 2009, Evan Clark wrote: > > In article , > > Roger Darlington wrote: > > > >> What HID settings do you have? > > > > In HID choices, Scroll wheel tab: > > > > Scroll wheel support is ticked. > > > > Vertical and Horizontal are both set to Part of visual area with Step > > 4 units. > > > Does this result in the LH scrolling running out of data? > It does here, the window becomes blank if I scroll more than a dozen? > words. Setting an exception to use Scroll Request for Thesaurus prevents that but unfortunately the Synonym/Antonym pane then no longer responds to the scroll wheel. Working with the main Thesaurus window maximised, that's possibly the lesser of two evils. Maybe a complete solution is beyond our control and would require a change to the program itself. Evan. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 18 12:13:45 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZhv0-2K9GPo-08-CDN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:13:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZhv0-2K9GPo-08-CDN; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:36:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZhv0-2K9GPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:36:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZhuz-0004jt-GC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:36:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D645FBBD389; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07315-04; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A89BBBD666; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:35:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FBDABBD389 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07204-01 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39480BBCE1E for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 03:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [79.123.70.215] (helo=HOBBIT.rogerarm.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LZhum-0002GR-7j for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:36:20 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Darlington X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.34 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:35:47 GMT Message-ID: References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <94e91d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f207947evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <99e7242f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f2f5d10evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <502f3431f5evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <502f40d826evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <502f40d826evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.23 (MsgServe/3.26) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1389 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rogerarm@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=F4qY7Ei2U_dgM4icIREA:9 a=7DSVnuvjeBQSlebWsE4A:7 a=jmBGIR5yse9UtMBtlTuiMJZBFn8A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 On 17 Feb 2009, Evan Clark wrote: > In article , > Roger Darlington wrote: > >> On 17 Feb 2009, Evan Clark wrote: >> > In article , >> > Roger Darlington wrote: >> > >> >> What HID settings do you have? >> > >> > In HID choices, Scroll wheel tab: >> > >> > Scroll wheel support is ticked. >> > >> > Vertical and Horizontal are both set to Part of visual area with Step >> > 4 units. >> > > >> Does this result in the LH scrolling running out of data? >> It does here, the window becomes blank if I scroll more than a dozen? >> words. > > Setting an exception to use Scroll Request for Thesaurus prevents that > but unfortunately the Synonym/Antonym pane then no longer responds to the > scroll wheel. Working with the main Thesaurus window maximised, that's > possibly the lesser of two evils. I think I will accept that limitation (no scrolling on synonyms, and no crashing of the scroll wheel either) for the ability to be able to scroll the much longer word list. So, 'Scroll Request' in HID for me. > > Maybe a complete solution is beyond our control and would require a > change to the program itself. That was my analysis also. -- Cheers Roger SHOUTING is a Capital offence To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 18 12:28:41 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZlSC-3xH000-01-8gB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:28:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZlSC-3xH000-01-8gB; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:23:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZlSC-3xH000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:23:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZlSC-0005iT-Bv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:23:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CEE64BDE6C9; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:23:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03591-02; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:23:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 536CCBDFA17; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:23:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:22:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C15F8BDE6C9 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03460-01 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BFC2BDDEDE for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LZlRa-000267-h0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:22:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:21:13 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <94e91d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f207947evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <99e7242f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f2f5d10evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <502f3431f5evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <502f40d826evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1390 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nfEbmUqHpVL2msIB6xwA:9 a=aNIKT1pCe4ENUKPDK8YA:7 a=_wkTuBp38-RtJfFhTN1dY1szPUEA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=wQOvjEdLymB64zsg:21 a=cDHWVPVxnAh1qTix:21 In message , Roger Darlington writes >> Maybe a complete solution is beyond our control and would require a >> change to the program itself. Speaking as someone who knows nothing about the subject. I would suggest that the scroll wheel program could have faked clicks on the scroll bars. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 18 13:58:44 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZmph-128knw-02-FpC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:58:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZmph-128knw-02-FpC; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:51:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZmph-128knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:51:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZmph-0007e9-8b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:51:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A432DBE0F92; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16683-05; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F0F2BE0F93; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:50:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BF65BE0F40 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:50:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16447-05 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:50:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D695BE0F3D for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:50:48 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAFOhm0nUnw6T/2dsb2JhbADUKoQTBg Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net ([212.159.14.147]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 18 Feb 2009 13:50:48 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LZmp5-0004FT-MA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:50:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:50:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling Message-ID: <502f907bdbchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <94e91d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f207947evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <99e7242f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f2f5d10evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <502f3431f5evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <502f40d826evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: abab00c8b0d34c651be5a76521391c7e X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1391 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=KGv-d2XCobQM-5LA4OoA:9 a=PbuZAoMws8tD8_zpA3UA:7 a=vMqfbrpAG4XmepzmowLIrkyvKg4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=7WYuNjHjoQiqvDPb:21 a=kaX8meFdu5dwzl54:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message , Roger Darlington > writes > >> Maybe a complete solution is beyond our control and would require a > >> change to the program itself. > Speaking as someone who knows nothing about the subject. I would > suggest that the scroll wheel program could have faked clicks on > the scroll bars. One of the options on a 'per-app' basis is to fake 'Scroll request' rather than various fixed unit options. Not sure if that would work in this case. Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Feb 18 17:54:55 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LZqZN-4EMVbs-07-C5W.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:54:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LZqZN-4EMVbs-07-C5W; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:50:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LZqZN-4EMVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:50:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LZqZ7-0005M4-0r for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:50:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A7FABE189A; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23224-06; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95579BE1B8A; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:48:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD3BEBBD701 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22919-10 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F5BFBE1B06 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LZqX4-0004Id-X3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:48:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:47:06 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <94e91d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f207947evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <99e7242f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f2f5d10evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <502f3431f5evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <502f40d826evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <502f907bdbchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <502f907bdbchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1392 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fndihIe1QM8XX8P0jmkA:9 a=y4-kW3fwUzAsHL0O_hwA:7 a=zhk2-UCTpf1JD8zZWAQ2rIAtfOYA:4 a=htsp1cwEuSoA:10 ** Reposted ** From Paul Reuvers Hi David (and others), I never thought that HID would generate such a long off-topic conversation. However, as it adds to the overall usability of an application, I'll try to explain it a bit further. HID has a range of options for scrolling a window. It can send key-presses to the application, send a scroll-request (if the application supports that), etc. The best results, however, are obtained with the default method that does a Wimp_ReopenWindow request with modified positions of the vertical and/or horizontal scroll bars. HID tries to work out the total height and the height of the scroll bar to obtain the best smooth scrolling results. I also tried to simulate mouse clicks over the up/down arrow icons (above and below the scroll bar) but somehow I never got it to work. The 'Eureka mode' does something similar, which was necessary, as Eureka doesn't rely on the WIMP to draw the gadgets. All of the above are legal methods. The best method would be by sending a scroll request to the application (as per PRM) but unfortunately, hardly any program will respond to that (with the exception of !Edit). Besides, the results of a scroll-request will vary between programs. Sending requests from another application is perfectly legal, except for the fact that in one particular situation, the WIMP itself will try to access out-of-context memory. Over time, Acorn software engineers have been trying to squeeze additional features into the WIMP without adding new flags or calls (and hence lose compatibility). They often used special conditions (such as both MinX and MinY set to 0) to add additional functionality. Under normal circumstances, the template editor would be used to design windows. When creating a window, the standard Acorn Template Editor defaults to 1 (rather than 0), so that standard functionality is retained. I discussed this issue a long time ago with John Ballance and we both agreed that it could be considered a bug. Under the given circumstances there was no need for the WIMP to access the indirected memory when one was just altering the window flags (and hence cause a window redraw). Somehow they never got around fixing it, however. I've only seen the described problem with two applications myself, and in both cases it could be fixed by altering the Template file, as there was no need to have both MinX and MinY set to zero. One of these was my own software and the other one was a particular !Paint window, if I recall correctly. I think most programmers are not aware of the special condition that is raised when MinX=MinY=0. It is well hidden in the PRM. Fixing the problem on the HID-side appeared to be impossible, as HID could not avoid the WIMP accessing illegal memory. The only option was to give up the smooth scrolling method of HID altogether, but since only a handful of applications was failing, I felt it was better to keep that method and allow users to select an alternative method in such circumstances. I can't guarantee that HID works with every single program, as, over time, programmers have used a wide variety of methods for creating windows with tools, scrollbars and gatgets that were not normally possible on RISC OS. E.g., some programs show a pane with some contents, but use the scrollbar of the window behind it to scroll the contents. Some programs use a separate window, with only a scrollbar in it, attached to the side of the window that they want to be scrolled. Sometimes programmers have forgotten to set the 'window-is-a-pane' flag of a pane window. Computer Concepts software uses even more bizarre window designs. In later years, Acorn developed the Nested-WIMP, making things even more complicated. When such windows are encountered, HID does its best to 'guess' what to do to scroll the window under the mouse pointer. In most cases it succeeds, but it might fail. If all methods fail, the application can be excluded from the scroll function altogether. David, If Thesaurus is one of your applications, I think it would be rather straightforward to fix it. It you want to fix someone else's program, it would be sufficient to alter the Template file, but you have to keep in mind that you might need to alter it again when a new version of the software is released. Whenever possible, it would be better to report the problem back to the programmer and hope for a fix. Best regards, -- Paul Reuvers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Feb 19 12:02:22 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1La7Xd-0OTVbs-04-CAI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:02:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1La7Xd-0OTVbs-04-CAI; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:58:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1La7Xd-0OTVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:58:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1La7Xc-0006jx-7G for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:58:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3140CBE1FD4; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24379-08; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAA36BE1FDD; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:57:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8EB1BE1FD4 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24291-03 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B57FFBE1FD3 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1La7Wz-0007YS-bs for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:57:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:56:13 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Thesaurus disables Mouse wheel Scrolling References: <3d1b8c2e50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f003d53evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <94e91d2f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f207947evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <99e7242f50.rogerarm@rogerarm.freeuk.com> <502f2f5d10evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <502f3431f5evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <502f40d826evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <502f907bdbchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1393 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T_wtrJ2biaYA:10 a=_fiJwsVSOfcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=e7M-4Vb2JoZZ1R5frrMA:7 a=DC0O4TmHKYWIdndyYBuwFMj1Q4EA:4 a=I2EqgwFF2xUA:10 a=EHV4JEL929sqGilg:21 a=mVF2fQEPt-6Uzv9r:21 In message , David Pilling writes >** Reposted ** >From Paul Reuvers Thanks, all interesting stuff. I should fix the templates for Thesaurus then. I have the notion that the handle of a window in RISC OS is a pointer to where it lives in memory - that might be a solution ;-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 20 11:44:30 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LaQ7R-27vGPo-06-AdW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:44:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LaQ7R-27vGPo-06-AdW; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:48:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LaQ7R-27vGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:48:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LaQ7N-0004JL-U3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:48:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5D85BE1AA8; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17395-10; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53AC5BE2BD1; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:47:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66413BE1AA8 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:47:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16993-02 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:47:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from april.london.02.net (april.london.02.net [87.194.255.143]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3110BE2531 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from IYONIX.iyonix.timebus.co.uk (87.194.237.29) by april.london.02.net (8.5.016.1) id 4967C92C007F8823 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:47:29 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Mouse wheel Scrolling - Ovation Pro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ewen Pring X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:51:25 GMT Message-ID: References: <502e905358evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <502e905358evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1394 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Ewen_Pring@timebus.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=YekjaBIBh_IA:10 a=zrjZTNSAgJYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=7vtFykjVAAAA:8 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=x7AXvEJWAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Yh0PQEKwLx-3dguZO94A:9 a=cXXbK9IJaUfYQiN7nhAA:7 a=C_DeSU5jwNHS7zvuza9ca6DdCJwA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=OgTh0pEQyinN3JLF:21 a=GMXKis6DA6Ke4lWw:21 In message <502e905358evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> sent on 16 Feb Evan Clark wrote: >> In message , Roger Darlington >> writes >>>Thesaurus 1.25, whenever you are tempted to use the mouse scroll wheel >>>in any of its windows, disables and crashes mouse scrolling on the >>>Iyonix RO5.13. Does this discussion in this thread bring us any closer to being able to use a mouse scroll wheel in Ovation Pro, without using HID? I can use to RISC OS 5 to scroll vertically in most commonly used applications (Easiwriter, Netsurf, StrongED and Messenger Pro) - but unfortunately not OP. -- Ewen Pring, St. Albans, Herts using Iyonix, RISC OS 5 http://www.timebus.co.uk/riscos/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 20 11:44:31 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LaQOY-3SXknw-01-AMP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:44:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LaQOY-3SXknw-01-AMP; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:06:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LaQOY-3SXknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:06:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LaQOY-0003Xj-FU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:06:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4F01BE2952; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19478-07; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72A34BE2968; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:05:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F072BE294F for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19299-04 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96410BE2933 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090220080525.KIYF2989.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:05:25 +0000 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.174.201]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20090220080525.NYJU19264.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:05:25 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Mouse wheel Scrolling - Ovation Pro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:08:28 GMT Message-ID: <73dc783050.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <502e905358evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=aWhN9kj0YZEA:10 a=rhTGKBR3vIQA:10 a=x7AXvEJWAAAA:8 a=7vtFykjVAAAA:8 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=5DiK60ycB3fPwcMtfXwA:9 a=p667e3yriohxb6WJdEm7B46xWKsA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=lQVg4ybsVbkA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=IBagwuCxgbc5TE3L:21 a=POUBkIlwkoaQKR-O:21 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1395 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IEAFo6mTTPYA:10 a=xzT4Njo-79QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=x7AXvEJWAAAA:8 a=7vtFykjVAAAA:8 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5DiK60ycB3fPwcMtfXwA:9 a=CAhhUBuBl_dBFo6rufIA:7 a=wIMBpV0yvPVv-7gLhAcDO8yYMnUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=lQVg4ybsVbkA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=BUNqwKbz3IUhetwt:21 a=5_p3WT_8JNItdOTd:21 In message Ewen Pring wrote: > In message <502e905358evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> sent on 16 Feb > Evan Clark wrote: >>> In message , Roger Darlington >>> writes >>>>Thesaurus 1.25, whenever you are tempted to use the mouse scroll wheel >>>>in any of its windows, disables and crashes mouse scrolling on the >>>>Iyonix RO5.13. > Does this discussion in this thread bring us any closer to being able > to use a mouse scroll wheel in Ovation Pro, without using HID? I can > use to RISC OS 5 to scroll vertically in most commonly used > applications (Easiwriter, Netsurf, StrongED and Messenger Pro) - but > unfortunately not OP. I hope there is an answer as HID often causes OPro to freeze. Blessings Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 20 11:44:32 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LaTJN-1oZVbs-07-Fy6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:44:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LaTJN-1oZVbs-07-Fy6; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:12:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LaTJN-1oZVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:12:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LaTJM-00016L-GA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:12:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2ED4CBE1DD6; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:12:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08159-07; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:12:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CEA2BE2984; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:12:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:12:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19F7EBE1DD6 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:12:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07764-10 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:12:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-1.concepts.nl (smtp-1.concepts.nl [213.197.30.124]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF8F7BE1B40 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:12:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from d594ee53.static.dsl.concepts.nl ([213.148.238.83] helo=[199.200.201.77]) by smtp-1.concepts.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LaTIh-0005mg-GN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:12:11 +0100 Message-Id: <2291081F-66AB-4981-B2CE-6E9577E4F57A@xat.nl> From: Paul Reuvers To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: <73dc783050.alan@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Mouse wheel Scrolling - Ovation Pro Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:12:07 +0100 References: <502e905358evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <73dc783050.alan@ntlworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Concepts-MailScanner-Information: Please contact abuse@concepts.nl for more information X-Concepts-MailScanner-ID: 1LaTIh-0005mg-GN X-Concepts-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Concepts-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Concepts-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1396 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: paul@xat.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IEAFo6mTTPYA:10 a=xzT4Njo-79QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=x7AXvEJWAAAA:8 a=7vtFykjVAAAA:8 a=5ANokUeuAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=mlU_w9pyRmstIL8UC3QA:9 a=581H-hNP8HrG6ZCkXxIA:7 a=L7JWiBPUwIaNeABQD_XeYn3ErpkA:4 a=WuK_CZDBSqoA:10 a=lQVg4ybsVbkA:10 a=zlPwTsyquw4A:10 a=LMW0uFimbjjlWsXQ:21 a=7nTzvq5BkbrBJHDe:21 On 20 Feb 2009, at 09:08, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message > Ewen Pring wrote: > >> In message <502e905358evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> sent on 16 Feb >> Evan Clark wrote: > >>>> In message , Roger >>>> Darlington >>>> writes >>>>> Thesaurus 1.25, whenever you are tempted to use the mouse scroll >>>>> wheel >>>>> in any of its windows, disables and crashes mouse scrolling on the >>>>> Iyonix RO5.13. > >> Does this discussion in this thread bring us any closer to being able >> to use a mouse scroll wheel in Ovation Pro, without using HID? I can >> use to RISC OS 5 to scroll vertically in most commonly used >> applications (Easiwriter, Netsurf, StrongED and Messenger Pro) - but >> unfortunately not OP. > > I hope there is an answer as HID often causes OPro to freeze. The standard scroll feature of RISC OS 5 is very limited. This was one of the main reasons for developing the scroll feature of HID. By the way: it is NOT HID that does the scrolling, but a separate module, called WimpScroll, that does the work. I used this module many years ago on my RISC PC together with a modified PS2Driver. That module is interfaced with HID, which wasn't possible with the standard USB drivers in RISC OS 5. Furthermore, the standard RISC OS 5 USB keyboard/mouse driver 'assumes' a particular protocol to be used by the keyboard and the mouse, whereas HID interrogates the device and processes data generated by the device, exactly in the way the device tells it to. Well, sort of. In other words: a data packet send by one type of mouse may or may not be similar to that of another type of mouse. There is no standard (except for the USB HID protocol), so a device can produce anything it likes. I didn't know that OPro often freezes when HID is in use. As far as I recall, this has never been reported to me. Can anyone confirm this? If the latter is true, does anyone know how to reproduce it? HID is present on my own machine, and has been in use all day every single day for the past 7 years or so, and it has hardly ever let me down so far. You might want to check your version number and check whether it's compatible with your version of RISC OS 5. Best regards, X-Ample Technology BV Paul Reuvers info@xat.nl To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 20 11:59:21 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LaTtK-1N4knw-04-FO9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:59:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LaTtK-1N4knw-04-FO9; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:50:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LaTtK-1N4knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:50:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LaTtK-0001JG-38 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:50:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EEDBBE2B04; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:50:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12686-05; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:50:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E179BE2A1D; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:50:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:49:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37D35BE2B13 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12558-03 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C56CBE2B04 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:49:24 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAD8nnknUnw6T/2dsb2JhbADUJ4QPBg Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net ([212.159.14.147]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 20 Feb 2009 11:49:22 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LaTsg-00015x-8a for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:49:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:48:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Mouse wheel Scrolling - Ovation Pro Message-ID: <50308d0845chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <2291081F-66AB-4981-B2CE-6E9577E4F57A@xat.nl> References: <502e905358evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <73dc783050.alan@ntlworld.com> <2291081F-66AB-4981-B2CE-6E9577E4F57A@xat.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 1b58442aa358a11975f0c8c432f96edd X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1397 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IEAFo6mTTPYA:10 a=xzT4Njo-79QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=f8Ow53g4jyezt78lR9EA:9 a=y5hVyEbROUftwagQlM8A:7 a=8L8smXJoHbmcW09TzSTGc7bnPVYA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In article <2291081F-66AB-4981-B2CE-6E9577E4F57A@xat.nl>, Paul Reuvers wrote: > I didn't know that OPro often freezes when HID is in use. > As far as I recall, this has never been reported to me. Can anyone > confirm this? Well, I use OPro and HID regularly on Iyonix RISC OS 5.13. Any sort of freeze or crash of OPro is extremely rare, and I have never had a freeze while scrolling that I can recall. Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 20 12:29:25 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LaUKD-1fwGPo-02-ExG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:29:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LaUKD-1fwGPo-02-ExG; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:17:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LaUKD-1fwGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:17:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LaUKC-0001Pu-Vr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:17:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6855ABE2651; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:17:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16212-04; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:17:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA77DBE2A16; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:17:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0451BE2651 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16042-05 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net (relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.99]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F0E0BE24AF for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:17:12 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAAwunknUnw4U/2dsb2JhbADTf4QPBg Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net ([212.159.14.20]) by relay.pcl-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 20 Feb 2009 12:17:12 +0000 Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LaUJb-0003pj-Kx for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:17:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:16:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Mouse wheel Scrolling - Ovation Pro Message-ID: <50308f97b8evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50308d0845chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <502e905358evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <73dc783050.alan@ntlworld.com> <2291081F-66AB-4981-B2CE-6E9577E4F57A@xat.nl> <50308d0845chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: d3e97bf9879a7103dcfc6ffbf2ee8cc4 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1398 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IEAFo6mTTPYA:10 a=xzT4Njo-79QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=HfGtrwL1yzbITcvRfzQA:9 a=dZRMkrMKmsltFSS4mIkA:7 a=HRb_XcKZ_U8uBTlmCF1WUL38UZsA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In article <50308d0845chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <2291081F-66AB-4981-B2CE-6E9577E4F57A@xat.nl>, > Paul Reuvers wrote: > > I didn't know that OPro often freezes when HID is in use. > > As far as I recall, this has never been reported to me. Can anyone > > confirm this? > Well, I use OPro and HID regularly on Iyonix RISC OS 5.13. Any sort > of freeze or crash of OPro is extremely rare, and I have never had a > freeze while scrolling that I can recall. > Chris... That reflects my experience too. Perhaps Alan has diagnosed his OPro freezes wrongly. Evan. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 20 18:11:28 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LaZcx-1IO000-07-9eW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:11:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LaZcx-1IO000-07-9eW; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:57:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LaZcx-1IO000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:57:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LaZcw-0003rq-Ko for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:57:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3F93BE347D; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17595-02; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 840EEBE34B4; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:56:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F1EFBE347D for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17432-08 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hpsmtp-eml20.kpnxchange.com (hpsmtp-eml20.KPNXCHANGE.COM [213.75.38.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0ED8BE2F5E for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpsmtp-eml103.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.103]) by hpsmtp-eml20.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:56:52 +0100 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([81.204.75.73]) by cpsmtp-eml103.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:56:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:56:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Mouse wheel Scrolling - Ovation Pro Message-ID: <5030aeba25Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <50308d0845chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <502e905358evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <73dc783050.alan@ntlworld.com> <2291081F-66AB-4981-B2CE-6E9577E4F57A@xat.nl> <50308d0845chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2009 17:56:53.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CA9F540:01C99384] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1399 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IEAFo6mTTPYA:10 a=xzT4Njo-79QA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=a-FSILpFkiCH1pho55kA:9 a=Y3CuFiJfouCXU94KdXcA:7 a=YlNHRcim-jPBqw-h6ehstLEmwtsA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In article <50308d0845chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > Well, I use OPro and HID regularly on Iyonix RISC OS 5.13. Any sort > of freeze or crash of OPro is extremely rare, and I have never had a > freeze while scrolling that I can recall. I did have freezes when scrolling, but that was almost certainly related to the recently cured irregular frames bug. In theory, it might still be possible that the occasional freeze of OPro is related to the use of HID, but I don't want to do without the latter, just for testing whether OPro freezes even less. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 22 11:50:56 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Lb0D3-2aW000-04-8dy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:50:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Lb0D3-2aW000-04-8dy; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:20:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Lb0D3-2aW000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:20:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Lb0D2-0002H8-OY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:20:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 310F4BE33A2; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:20:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11732-04; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:20:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89DC2BE3432; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:20:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:19:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B21F1BE33A2 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11270-08 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxsrv4.tranzpeer.net (mxsrv4.tranzpeer.net [202.180.66.217]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25E25BE32E9 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:19:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxi1.callplus.net.nz ([202.180.66.203]) by mxsrv4.tranzpeer.net with ESMTP (Exim 4.50) id 1Lb0CP-0000QO-O2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:19:53 +1300 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,246,1233486000"; d="scan'208";a="210370924" Received: from p162.cpihn1-n7.callplus.net.nz (HELO XPHOMEPC) ([203.184.1.162]) by ismtp01.callplus.net.nz with SMTP; 22 Feb 2009 11:19:52 +1300 Message-ID: <97CE9E7C5023477DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC> From: "Dan McCarthy" To: References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] OPW anoying feature on import Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:19:51 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1400 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: danmccat@slingshot.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=utRTEfz9mfEA:10 a=kQJDgP2D-o4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=H0YmMDmAIg_73y1xw7kA:9 a=793KJ1tVJeSn76BeQQgA:7 a=gkyxofOI_R4fNYuu5pwo58FmgNMA:4 a=JqzK7hVu6n4A:10 It is my own fault of course. Sometimes when importing a graphic into a frame, the frame has become deselected while I am looking for the graphic. If I fail to notice this OPW says it has become confused and will have to close. This usually happens when a deadline looms and I find I have lost a couple of hours worth of typing that I have neglected to save. It would be nice to have a safety net. Dan McCarthy To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 22 11:50:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Lb1Nk-0xQGPo-06-Fzn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:50:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Lb1Nk-0xQGPo-06-Fzn; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:35:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Lb1Nk-0xQGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:35:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Lb1Nk-00022I-Cr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:35:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6EC1BE4476; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18885-08; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C02BBE4517; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:35:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A031BE455A for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18797-06 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AD6EBE4549 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:35:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.143] (helo=anti-virus02-10) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Lb1N9-0003DS-12 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:35:03 +0000 Received: from [77.103.43.79] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Lb1N8-0006I1-Dy for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:35:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:34:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW anoying feature on import Message-ID: <5031518116john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <97CE9E7C5023477DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <97CE9E7C5023477DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1401 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=H1C6KCdJLekA:10 a=57loDKzPRcQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=5JhhAp52AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=w0nWY7Yv7WuAeF2990QA:9 a=-3ckO4PCq1bRFgs8TioA:7 a=QjDrqnDduOoy04MTMMaoclBKX6kA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In article <97CE9E7C5023477DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC>, Dan McCarthy wrote: > It is my own fault of course. Of course :-) > Sometimes when importing a graphic into a frame, the frame has become > deselected while I am looking for the graphic. If I fail to notice this > OPW says it has become confused and will have to close. Oh! I don't work with that version, but I can't help wondering if this might be because it would need to work with the "load file" type dialogue rather than just dragging a graphic file into the desired frame. If so, it suggests one of the undoubted difficulties of porting between systems that operate in different manners, as well as the coding aspects. Just a thought that might be helpful in the program's author tracking down the (apparent) bug... > This usually happens when a deadline looms and I find I have lost a > couple of hours worth of typing that I have neglected to save. Naught boy! What happens if the power fails or similar? I always but always save work very frequently, never assuming that my system is necessarily going to be still working a minute from now. I never lose anything! > It would be nice to have a safety net. Well, for a start, switch on autosave... -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 22 12:20:57 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LbD7Z-2Jyknw-01-CmU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:20:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LbD7Z-2Jyknw-01-CmU; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:07:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LbD7Z-2Jyknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:07:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LbD7Y-0004zx-Ik for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:07:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E8A0BE435C; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16769-05; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95966BE404A; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:07:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86C2DBE44E7 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:07:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16647-01 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:07:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FD90BE4404 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:07:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LbD6y-0006h8-ml for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:07:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:05:48 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW anoying feature on import References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <97CE9E7C5023477DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC> In-Reply-To: <97CE9E7C5023477DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1402 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=H1C6KCdJLekA:10 a=57loDKzPRcQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=HtLU2YqjSk8vCZWBDw8A:7 a=GK_M2QKJ6-wXbc7UBIFMEZ_TxNUA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=o_cW4IozQnQHMhTY:21 a=iAe2MFhRKhgs3MSh:21 Hi, In message <97CE9E7C5023477DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC>, Dan McCarthy writes >It is my own fault of course. Sometimes when importing a graphic into a >frame, the frame has become deselected while I am looking for the >graphic. If I fail to notice this OPW >says it has become confused and will have to close. Thank you for being so tactful. I've just tried this and it doesn't go wrong for me, so there must be something beyond what you say above. I presume you're importing by drag and drop rather than using the File->Import menu? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 22 19:36:12 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LbK5d-1LAknw-02-EKw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:36:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LbK5d-1LAknw-02-EKw; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:34:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LbK5d-1LAknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:34:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LbK5Y-00012X-IH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:34:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01F52BE26EE; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:34:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28744-07; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79690BE3F02; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:33:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4958CBE3FEF for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:33:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28721-02 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:33:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-5-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-5-a-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.4]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EBCF9BE2474 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:33:32 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 134098560/mk-outboundfilter-5.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-ACCEPTED/f2s-freedom2Surf-customers/195.137.110.177/None/briancarroll@f2s.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 195.137.110.177 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: briancarroll@f2s.com X-MUA: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjUNAHg3oUnDiW6x/2dsb2JhbACBVIc6yyeEDwY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,250,1233532800"; d="scan'208";a="134098560" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net (HELO wallace.) ([195.137.110.177]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 22 Feb 2009 19:33:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:54:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW anoying feature on import Message-ID: <5031bbab86briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <97CE9E7C5023477DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <97CE9E7C5023477DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1403 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: briancarroll@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=H1C6KCdJLekA:10 a=57loDKzPRcQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=h89bM5sAbSav-ff9CngA:9 a=jsuxaoeTGXPWcIg0w0oA:7 a=jsnqrc4Dv6qcrJSjPVdPe42L3LcA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In article <97CE9E7C5023477DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC>, Dan McCarthy wrote: > ...This usually happens when a deadline looms and I find I > have lost a couple of hours worth of typing that I have > neglected to save. Doesn't OPW have an auto-save function? Well, well! Its despised one-time rival Impression Publisher has had this facility for years: it has saved me from disaster many a time. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, N Yorks, UK briancarroll at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 22 20:36:13 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LbKpn-3wz000-04-Dam.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:36:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LbKpn-3wz000-04-Dam; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:21:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LbKpn-3wz000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:21:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LbKpn-0001lm-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:21:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68974BE35C0; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01208-05; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD8F9BDD653; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:21:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17441BE35C0 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:21:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01069-03 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (smtp.bulldogdsl.com [212.158.248.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7BFABE3406 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1010) id 398A48458F0; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:21:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Abuse: Please report all spam/abuse matters to abuse@bulldogdsl.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.6 required=8.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.1.0 Received: from tom160max (host-84-9-197-91.dslgb.com [84.9.197.91]) by mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989D38458D9 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:21:15 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <154904EE852945F88536D8D560C9FAD1@tom160max> From: "Tom at Bulldog" To: References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <97CE9E7C5023477DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC> <5031bbab86briancarroll@f2s.com> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW anoying feature on import Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:21:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9952B.2B2B9A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1404 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tomhopley@bulldoghome.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=H1C6KCdJLekA:10 a=57loDKzPRcQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=bQEaMyaYAAAA:8 a=0z90JyU8Ce_1hlr7KHcA:9 a=2OUNT11sb_ktlZbv5CQA:7 a=w9FFW7f2Cyi5TfGjDrPZiVA985MA:4 a=xfNXT5P86egA:10 a=SgQUdJ9XC_8fkWlH2b8A:9 a=0TvAHZXmYd9vXOGXu8cA:7 a=S0U8DIDXJjWUCqNCgReRLmHgYgUA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9952B.2B2B9A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian Carroll wrote: > In article <97CE9E7C5023477DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC>, Dan > McCarthy wrote: > >> ...This usually happens when a deadline looms and I find I >> have lost a couple of hours worth of typing that I have >> neglected to save. > > Doesn't OPW have an auto-save function=3F Well, well! > > Its despised one-time rival Impression Publisher has had this > facility for years: it has saved me from disaster many a time. > > Brian. Of course OPW has an auto-save function. It's in Preferences, and it can be fully configured - with or without a prompt, and at your chosen intervals. Great program. Tom -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 2913 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9952B.2B2B9A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Brian Carroll wrote:
= > In article <97CE9E7C5023477DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC>, Dan
> McCarthy <danmccat@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> ...This usually happens when a deadline = looms and I find I
>> have lost a couple of hours worth of typing  = that I have
>> neglected to save.
>
> Doesn't OPW have an auto-save function=3F  Well= , well!
>
> Its despised one-time rival Impression Publisher has= had this
> facility for years: it has saved me from disaster many a time.
>
> Brian.
 
Of course OPW has an auto-save function.
It's in Preferences, and it = can be fully configured -
with or without a prompt, an= d at your chosen intervals.
 
Great program.
Tom
 
 

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------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9952B.2B2B9A60-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 22 21:36:15 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LbLlE-3Fm000-08-CfL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:36:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LbLlE-3Fm000-08-CfL; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:21:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LbLlE-3Fm000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:21:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LbLlD-0006qL-D9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:21:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C81FEBDDD2B; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07487-09; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DAFDBDDD66; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:20:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BE43BDDD44 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07284-10 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C493ABDDD2B for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-196-67.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.196.67]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n1MLKU9M006820 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:20:31 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:31:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW anoying feature in Macro Window Message-ID: <5031c4926adave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1405 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zOFZewkfqfoA:10 a=57loDKzPRcQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=h6wLrFmfwy3IyIW1CrIA:9 a=mvVhrbvJaZxU4RXjpi0A:7 a=omePhK8qz9XAR7lQYDzDa0uh-IIA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 I love both OS versions of OvPro, but one thing about the Win version that really gets on my T*ts is the very small Macro window that is not resizable. It displays 5 items at a time and takes an age to click five at a time through the list. If I knew exactly where the damn thing hung out I'd shove OvPro in ResHacker and extend it myself. Mr P. Why is this window not resizable as the Macro window in RO is? Does it hang out somewhere I can get at with ResHack? Thanks Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 23 11:38:24 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LbMMc-0jYVbs-04-C3x.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:38:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LbMMc-0jYVbs-04-C3x; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:59:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LbMMc-0jYVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:59:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LbMMb-00062T-PC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:59:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F04ABE42EF; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:59:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11106-01; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:59:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF235BE3439; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:59:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D7E8BE381F for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10982-02 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B43ABE2CC2 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LbMM0-0001VL-ot for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:59:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:58:59 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW anoying feature in Macro Window References: <5031c4926adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5031c4926adave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1406 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zOFZewkfqfoA:10 a=57loDKzPRcQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Rjyi1bWPAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=bTD370-fHJVTjio4v-wA:7 a=VCHwJ-GhlBQqEIIP9oi-96Yt_TMA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=PuKaCD_GyroA:10 a=Awh8liPZKuDWFqlS:21 a=bGiPMMaSuxNc1uCm:21 In message <5031c4926adave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >I love both OS versions of OvPro, but one thing about the Win version that >really gets on my T*ts is the very small Macro window that is not >resizable. > >It displays 5 items at a time and takes an age to click five at a time >through the list. >If I knew exactly where the damn thing hung out I'd shove OvPro in >ResHacker and extend it myself. > >Mr P. Why is this window not resizable as the Macro window in RO is? I don't know... >Does it hang out somewhere I can get at with ResHack? Yes in the main program resources, I presume you can change the template as with any other - I can't promise it will then work perfectly. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 23 11:38:35 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LbRbN-2q2000-06-FLi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:38:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LbRbN-2q2000-06-FLi; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:35:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LbRbN-2q2000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:35:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LbRbI-0000vG-GB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:35:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CBD75BE40D7; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:35:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12517-04; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:35:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4EFACBE44BB; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:35:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:34:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 457EBBE40D7 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12222-09 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxsrv3.tranzpeer.net (mxsrv3.tranzpeer.net [202.180.66.216]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A7A3BE40B6 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:34:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxi1.callplus.net.nz ([202.180.66.203]) by mxsrv3.tranzpeer.net with ESMTP (Exim 4.50) id 1LbRag-0002BC-Km for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:34:46 +1300 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,252,1233486000"; d="scan'208,217";a="210751170" Received: from 119-224-10-67.callplus.net.nz (HELO XPHOMEPC) ([119.224.10.67]) by ismtp01.callplus.net.nz with SMTP; 23 Feb 2009 16:34:45 +1300 Message-ID: From: "Dan McCarthy" To: References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <97CE9E7C5023477DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC> <5031bbab86briancarroll@f2s.com> <154904EE852945F88536D8D560C9FAD1@tom160max> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW anoying feature on import Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:34:44 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C995D4.A2268A90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1407 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: danmccat@slingshot.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=H1C6KCdJLekA:10 a=57loDKzPRcQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=6wHf6y0T0rKyY9bZzdYA:9 a=wKIIAV6qo43M5lJII4AA:7 a=4PMR0tFOaXAUQB6jf9V9reodqPIA:4 a=KUJAPYlYduUA:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=DKS3mwP8AAAA:8 a=bQEaMyaYAAAA:8 a=3LnQwps4tg195wVmWbkA:9 a=8eFby064VAb9lTahR5AA:7 a=rLlCyQge5Wm4LncJt6CMtC9YeTkA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 a=aFK3Y8iggiUA:10 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C995D4.A2268A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom at Bulldog=20 To: davidpilling@freelists.org=20 Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW anoying feature on import Brian Carroll wrote: > In article <97CE9E7C5023477DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC>, Dan > McCarthy wrote: >=20 >> ...This usually happens when a deadline looms and I find I >> have lost a couple of hours worth of typing that I have >> neglected to save. >=20 > Doesn't OPW have an auto-save function? Well, well! >=20 > Its despised one-time rival Impression Publisher has had this > facility for years: it has saved me from disaster many a time. >=20 > Brian. Of course OPW has an auto-save function. It's in Preferences, and it can be fully configured -=20 with or without a prompt, and at your chosen intervals. Great program. Tom -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 2913 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C995D4.A2268A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 at Bulldog
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 = 9:21=20 AM
Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW = anoying=20 feature on import

Brian Carroll=20 wrote:
> In = article <97CE9E7C5023477= DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC>,=20 Dan
> McCarthy <danmccat@slingshot.co.nz>= =20 wrote:
>
>>=20 ...This usually happens when a deadline looms and I find I
>> = have=20 lost a couple of hours worth of typing  that I have
>> = neglected=20 to save.
> =
>=20 Doesn't OPW have an auto-save function?  Well, well!
> =
> Its=20 despised one-time rival Impression Publisher has had this
> = facility for=20 years: it has saved me from disaster many a time.
>
>=20 Brian.
 
Of course = OPW has=20 an auto-save = function.
It's in = Preferences, and it can=20 be fully configured -
with or without a = prompt, and=20 at your chosen intervals.
 
Great=20 program.
Tom
 
 

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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C995D4.A2268A90-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 23 11:38:36 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LbRhR-399000-06-FFe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:38:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LbRhR-399000-06-FFe; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:41:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LbRhR-399000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:41:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LbRhQ-0001NY-GU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:41:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D8E4BE200C; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13012-08; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F861BE36AD; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:41:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15A01BE200C for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:41:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12735-05 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxsrv3.tranzpeer.net (mxsrv3.tranzpeer.net [202.180.66.216]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63970BDE415 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxi1.callplus.net.nz ([202.180.66.203]) by mxsrv3.tranzpeer.net with ESMTP (Exim 4.50) id 1LbRgn-0003vB-MV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:41:06 +1300 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,252,1233486000"; d="scan'208,217";a="210753563" Received: from 119-224-10-67.callplus.net.nz (HELO XPHOMEPC) ([119.224.10.67]) by ismtp01.callplus.net.nz with SMTP; 23 Feb 2009 16:41:05 +1300 Message-ID: <4E277A9459434446BA00B9C131BF5BFC@XPHOMEPC> From: "Dan McCarthy" To: References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <97CE9E7C5023477DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC> <5031bbab86briancarroll@f2s.com> <154904EE852945F88536D8D560C9FAD1@tom160max> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW anoying feature on import Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:41:07 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C995D5.86CCA120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1408 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: danmccat@slingshot.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=H1C6KCdJLekA:10 a=57loDKzPRcQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=XD-2zek7sCMrcEi5CtsA:9 a=61mxsLHr4DmnQNRiM98A:7 a=yKyrcDPoAT6m1bXqi9Mm55VJCgkA:4 a=oqs56FR1YJwA:10 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=DKS3mwP8AAAA:8 a=bQEaMyaYAAAA:8 a=UYUUuaENgCrDJoTzys4A:9 a=IXIZxhSubHqc9AsWaUgA:7 a=Lwrhi0vKWMViIYN6TvchK3ZPgJIA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 a=aFK3Y8iggiUA:10 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C995D5.86CCA120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry about that - had I mentioned I am getting doddery? Is there any way of setting autosave globaly or does it=20 have to be set for each document/stylesheet. If I am going to forget to save, I am going to forget to set autosave Dan=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tom at Bulldog=20 To: davidpilling@freelists.org=20 Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW anoying feature on import > Doesn't OPW have an auto-save function? Well, well! >=20 > Its despised one-time rival Impression Publisher has had this > facility for years: it has saved me from disaster many a time. >=20 > Brian. Of course OPW has an auto-save function. It's in Preferences, and it can be fully configured -=20 with or without a prompt, and at your chosen intervals. Great program. Tom -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 2913 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C995D5.86CCA120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry about that - had I mentioned I am = getting=20 doddery?
 
Is there any way of setting autosave = globaly or=20 does it
have to be set for each = document/stylesheet. If I=20 am going to
forget to save, I am going to forget to = set=20 autosave
 
Dan 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Tom=20 at Bulldog
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 = 9:21=20 AM
Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW = anoying=20 feature on import

> Doesn't OPW have an = auto-save=20 function?  Well, well!
>
> Its despised one-time = rival=20 Impression Publisher has had this
> facility for years: it has = saved me=20 from disaster many a time.
>
> Brian.
 
Of course = OPW has=20 an auto-save = function.
It's in = Preferences, and it can=20 be fully configured -
with or without a = prompt, and=20 at your chosen intervals.
 
Great=20 program.
Tom
 
 

I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter.
We are a = community=20 of 6 million users fighting spam.
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C995D5.86CCA120-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 23 11:38:37 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LbRmj-1D7knw-07-FAM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:38:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LbRmj-1D7knw-07-FAM; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:47:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LbRmj-1D7knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:47:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LbRmi-0000Ll-Jp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:47:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 044FDBE382A; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13488-06; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85840BDDF2B; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:47:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:46:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23BBEBE382A for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:46:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13287-05 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:46:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxsrv4.tranzpeer.net (mxsrv4.tranzpeer.net [202.180.66.217]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F054BE3702 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxi1.callplus.net.nz ([202.180.66.203]) by mxsrv4.tranzpeer.net with ESMTP (Exim 4.50) id 1LbRm5-0001gG-N2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:46:33 +1300 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,252,1233486000"; d="scan'208";a="210755312" Received: from 119-224-10-67.callplus.net.nz (HELO XPHOMEPC) ([119.224.10.67]) by ismtp01.callplus.net.nz with SMTP; 23 Feb 2009 16:46:32 +1300 Message-ID: <11594247A8004949AA84A10AB67691EC@XPHOMEPC> From: "Dan McCarthy" To: References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <97CE9E7C5023477DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW anoying feature on import Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:46:35 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1409 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: danmccat@slingshot.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=H1C6KCdJLekA:10 a=57loDKzPRcQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5zziKr_90vdCO5BnAWAA:9 a=Gz7V8PuUSehfquQLPgcA:7 a=z5SKLDvLVlFZE_z6TRS3aJl-7JwA:4 a=M3PvEdNFSBYA:10 > > Thank you for being so tactful. > > I've just tried this and it doesn't go wrong for me, so there must be > something beyond what you say above. > > I presume you're importing by drag and drop rather than using the > File->Import menu? > > > -- > David Pilling No. in fact I always use the File> Import menu I can't be sure it happens every time - I wouldn't notice if it didn't happen. I will experiment dan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 23 11:38:44 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LbUiZ-2gBGPo-07-CEW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:38:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LbUiZ-2gBGPo-07-CEW; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:55:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LbUiZ-2gBGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:55:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LbUiZ-0001Gg-1a for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:55:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F46EBE165E; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26955-02; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F620BE40BA; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:54:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3874BE3F20 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26762-02 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net [203.16.214.146]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 300DDBE3F19 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 01:54:30 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjABAI/ToUl5LAgh/2dsb2JhbAAI1GKEDwY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.38,252,1233495000"; d="scan'208";a="296908208" Received: from ppp121-44-8-33.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.8.33]) by ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 23 Feb 2009 17:24:09 +1030 Message-ID: <49A24826.7000000@internode.on.net> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:54:30 +1100 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] transferring files Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1410 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NeKh0creLDIHV2_1pt8A:9 a=rKamPs1nWHHPnZeZnSUA:7 a=Z10ghgOfTaYyOu0ydo8Pmlt7D1MA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 Hi In VA I have converted Impression documents to Ovation with one objecting reports with an internal error trap while in trap handler not enough memory stack overflow at xxxxx. All the files are the same size about 500K just this one objects. The ones converted and readable in OP in VA in Windows renaming as they all have extensions either .bc5 or .b27 whatever that means it then reports will not open as no suitable filter found. What have I missed again:-(( Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 24 11:59:49 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LbjuB-4IZVbs-03-E5w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:59:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LbjuB-4IZVbs-03-E5w; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:08:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LbjuB-4IZVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:08:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Lbju5-0006Lu-O6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:08:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F834BE89D7; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:21:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oC+fClaj-eoT; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 020F7BE8A3F; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:20:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1A93BE89D7 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:20:37 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FUhpwZts-EXv for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44B27BE89BA for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Lbj9r-0001kU-Z4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:20:16 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:18:59 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW anoying feature on import References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <97CE9E7C5023477DB195C2C3DF634037@XPHOMEPC> <11594247A8004949AA84A10AB67691EC@XPHOMEPC> In-Reply-To: <11594247A8004949AA84A10AB67691EC@XPHOMEPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1411 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=H1C6KCdJLekA:10 a=57loDKzPRcQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=KJ14C4yg7g6JmUk9jdEA:9 a=PXxOxIHmXVI0r9hSevgA:7 a=RnCEodOK1BkYoW24tDReZceUx_IA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=BXhVs31J9DbAkTql:21 a=M-WJU9n2SiMDHArx:21 In message <11594247A8004949AA84A10AB67691EC@XPHOMEPC>, Dan McCarthy writes >No. in fact I always use the File> Import menu >I can't be sure it happens every time - I wouldn't notice if >it didn't happen. It seems plausible that if you manage to use the import menu option when the correct frame is not selected then problems will result. The interesting thing is how you get the frame deselected or what sort of selection with what sort of import causes the problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 24 11:59:50 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Lbjy7-0e8Vbs-01-E20.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:59:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Lbjy7-0e8Vbs-01-E20; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:12:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Lbjy7-0e8Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:12:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Lbjxu-00000A-87 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:12:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C919BBD13D; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:25:12 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jtS2Q74IOHoJ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:25:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0D12BBD918; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:24:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 811E8BE8AF2 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:24:36 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gpuv9XupoO8I for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:24:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7194BE2262 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LbjDl-0002Pi-Yb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:24:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:22:58 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: transferring files References: <49A24826.7000000@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <49A24826.7000000@internode.on.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-archive-position: 1412 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CTlQNFo5aBwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Npn9PEg5AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=AidAqJQT_pBm-LWSWs0A:9 a=8-uELPNzGZwEtiWKrpYA:7 a=nLSb7EyM69HOE7Wi2bSDSQ-7cVQA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=vVLI-pWN_hfmmJ6y:21 a=g3itgeWrw9NYvT1H:21 In message <49A24826.7000000@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett writes >In VA I have converted Impression documents to Ovation with one >objecting reports with an internal error trap while in trap handler not >enough memory stack overflow at xxxxx. All the files are the same size >about 500K just this one objects. Well files get corrupted - can Impression load the file. Then Impression does corrupt its own documents. It may just be an Impression document that my loader can't understand. Personally if there was a problem I'd use the little program inside TransIMP to convert to DDL from the command line - see if it crashes at that stage in which case we know the problem is the loaded - then load the DDL. >The ones converted and readable in OP in VA in Windows renaming as they >all have extensions either .bc5 or .b27 whatever that means it then >reports will not open as no suitable filter found. I don't understand. No suitable filter means the file has the wrong extension (try .imp for Impression documents) or the correct filter has not been installed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Feb 24 11:59:55 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Lbpj0-1wCVbs-08-Gnd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:59:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Lbpj0-1wCVbs-08-Gnd; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:20:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Lbpj0-1wCVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:20:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Lbpj0-00031o-98 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:20:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFF3ABE8BA3; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:20:57 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XRTUyWXMo59I; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:20:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48049BE8BE7; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:20:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:20:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4588BE8BA3 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:20:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cSVcdwkl5gOw for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:20:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.57]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84096BE8B5A for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ppp121-44-60-183.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.60.183]) by ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 24 Feb 2009 15:47:09 +1030 Message-ID: <49A382E8.4050606@internode.on.net> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:17:28 +1100 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: transferring files References: <49A24826.7000000@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1413 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CTlQNFo5aBwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Npn9PEg5AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=1v1eHtxUDdSvixDmkp0A:9 a=D4y8XF8s6d9ty7wK-lIA:7 a=sFTwgROzbBVk_FWd8Rrs0GFunqwA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 David Pilling wrote: > In message <49A24826.7000000@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett > writes > >> In VA I have converted Impression documents to Ovation with one >> objecting reports with an internal error trap while in trap handler >> not enough memory stack overflow at xxxxx. All the files are the >> same size about 500K just this one objects. > > Well files get corrupted - can Impression load the file. Then > Impression does corrupt its own documents. It may just be an > Impression document that my loader can't understand. > > Personally if there was a problem I'd use the little program inside > TransIMP to convert to DDL from the command line - see if it crashes > at that stage in which case we know the problem is the loaded - then > load the DDL. > >> The ones converted and readable in OP in VA in Windows renaming as >> they all have extensions either .bc5 or .b27 whatever that means it >> then reports will not open as no suitable filter found. > > I don't understand. > > No suitable filter means the file has the wrong extension (try .imp > for Impression documents) or the correct filter has not been installed. > > Just me having a seniors moment well recovering from stint in hospital. Must explore TransIMp as not used that facility to convert thanks for prompt. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling