From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 3 12:01:43 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LIxxq-31bVbs-08-ABZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:01:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LIxxq-31bVbs-08-ABZ; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:18:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LIxxq-31bVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:18:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LIxxp-0000NF-ID for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:18:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1BAAB3BBF3; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24552-09; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9AC8B3BE08; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:17:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCE8BB3BBF3 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24470-02 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:17:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (mail.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F32FB3BAB8 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB08DC2E4 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:17:38 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bFh5M3Jqrif5 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:09:28 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D26DC296 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:17:37 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 17:17:47 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1223 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: asgard@inspire.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=IMI5jusbhuMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=JELwMHNVsEkjgyQPECIA:9 a=40WJGw68vBSvYuzFpj8A:7 a=F30tqzdLcLdvAcBSOZ_srQWJvj4A:4 a=SKpDKCWXRSQA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1872] Greetings, I am absolutely baffled! I have a sixteen page magazine (pamphlet) coming together nicely and, for a reason I no longer think I understand, keep getting type 5 errors. At first I thought it was the Page Palette applet which I always use to move around the document - because sometimes with this document it refuses to go back - from, say, p15 to p14) - but no - that was a red herring (I think!). OK! Save as DDF - reloading the DDF reveals the same problems! I then thought it must be the irregular picture frame (well Artworks map of Australia to be honest) which is on p11 - almost every time I approach that page using the Page Palette applet OvnPro draws the text and, before the image is produced, "Type 5 error" comes up. I then found that it would sometimes have a type 5 error in other places even when using the scroll bars to click up and down a page at a time. This has more or less convinced me that it is something to do with Artworks file rendering (using the AWRender 2.09 module) or in the interfrace as it only occurs (intermittently remember) when a page with one or more Artworks drawings are about to be rendered. Although the problem occurs with both Page Palette applet and when using the scrolling mechanism it is not every time an image is about to be rendered - sometimes they come up fine, other times "Error". Since this could remotely possibly be some kind of interface problem I tried the same document on another machine - with the same problems!! Has anyone else had such problems? Any thoughts on what I might be doing wrong? TIA, Keith -- Inspired! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 3 12:01:45 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LIzAJ-4WhVbs-07-8z6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:01:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LIzAJ-4WhVbs-07-8z6; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:35:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LIzAJ-4WhVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:35:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LIzAJ-0004Ex-Aj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:35:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B16CBB3BCCE; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29672-04; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AD16B3BE3A; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:34:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D856B3BCCE for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29572-03 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pluto.adsl24.co.uk (pluto.adsl24.co.uk [84.234.17.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9A7EB3B541 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [78.32.69.229] (helo=Iyonix) by pluto.adsl24.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LIz9d-0002sI-SE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:34:35 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:33:26 GMT Message-ID: <1b8bb21750.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - pluto.adsl24.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianhowlett.me.uk X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1224 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=veEp4XF65IsEm0UU3L0A:9 a=NRKnpNgbvJmGFYaBiDgA:7 a=hWNPwyYjIZXNWhWJoNVi5flFobEA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1872] On 3 Jan, Keith Hopper wrote: > using the AWRender 2.09 module The latest AWViewer is 2.11 - maybe worth updating? http://www.mw-software.com/software/awmodules/awrender.html -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------------------------------------ Last year I went fishing with Salvador Dali. 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To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 3 12:16:21 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJ5L4-4OJknw-04-BKr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:16:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJ5L4-4OJknw-04-BKr; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 12:10:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJ5L4-4OJknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 12:10:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJ5L4-0002dW-4z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 12:10:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98068AF8C4D; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22571-06; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 582C1B3B531; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 03 Jan 2009 07:10:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0DA8AF8C4D for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22375-09 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 888C27A26BA for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 07:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LJ5KR-0003mh-dU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 12:10:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:09:04 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1225 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2xmHS0NNe7lguxU-LxQA:9 a=nl4Emt4NC9sHvALDJskA:7 a=n7dbEfeZfTQ4PPltiMch4udFNegA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=nxNFLQEzk9OO866S:21 a=2SpK0ZYSF_WE2jJo:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1872] In message <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz>, Keith Hopper writes >herring (I think!). OK! Save as DDF - reloading the DDF reveals the same >problems! DDL... Problems like this can be due to external problems, for example there may be a bug in part of RISC OS, however the most likely causes are bugs in Ovation Pro. You seem to be pointing to graphics. One idea is to use the View menu to turn off rendering of pictures and see if the document still crashes. It would also be interesting to know if the document crashes when printed, since printing consists of rendering the whole document. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 4 11:53:35 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJFdc-2xfknw-04-9Yp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:53:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJFdc-2xfknw-04-9Yp; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:10:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJFdc-2xfknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:10:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJFdc-00075t-70 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:10:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A51D4B3B5E6; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10378-05; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5081BB3BACF; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:09:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E59DB3B5E6 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10166-06 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (mail.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6899B37D65 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B949DBE74 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 12:09:56 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WxHHBiByehbW for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 12:01:45 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4462DBE12 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 12:09:55 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:10:05 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <5018134865asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <1b8bb21750.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <1b8bb21750.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1226 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: asgard@inspire.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uLzuDybJoW08IrfjbU8A:9 a=T12N0ZHBN1v2Se5mFFMA:7 a=8Zl_AZpEpn7ltrzI7pcFspDj28sA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=37YH2P3HZPUYXZB3:21 a=JzCOLYj9N8l4FsZW:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1873] In article <1b8bb21750.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk>, Brian Howlett wrote: > On 3 Jan, Keith Hopper wrote: > > using the AWRender 2.09 module > The latest AWViewer is 2.11 - maybe worth updating? > http://www.mw-software.com/software/awmodules/awrender.html A kind suggestion - but unfortunately it hasn't made any difference! Keith -- Inspired! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 4 11:53:37 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJGNc-2LUGPo-07-8op.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:53:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJGNc-2LUGPo-07-8op; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:58:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJGNc-2LUGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:58:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJGNb-0001ZZ-N0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:58:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB2FFB3B82B; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13781-01; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B7A6B3ACEB; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:57:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82661B3D343 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13352-01 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (mail.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6EC8B3D0E6 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76427DBEEB for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 12:57:27 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hQUNyYVY1CWK for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 12:49:17 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C57DBF6D for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 12:57:26 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:57:38 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1227 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: asgard@inspire.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=C9NkSCe4xUjMbvS5OAEA:9 a=nk_a5XZsCWxnQLBJjQEA:7 a=V7_NWv3ACyY_08cSZPQ94gyS8CMA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=jWVdZhxy_RS3Lb6m:21 a=Opv9IbWBg9-FOMOz:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1873] In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz>, Keith Hopper > writes > >herring (I think!). OK! Save as DDF - reloading the DDF reveals the same > >problems! > DDL... Ouch! I consider myself duly castigated! > Problems like this can be due to external problems, for example there > may be a bug in part of RISC OS, however the most likely causes are bugs > in Ovation Pro. I have a suspicion it is to do with the IFC from OvnPro - more on that later. > You seem to be pointing to graphics. One idea is to use the View menu to > turn off rendering of pictures and see if the document still crashes. Turned off - no crash. I have been recently getting OvnPro to crash just by sliding up and down the scroll bar several times - with images off this can be done in any way at any speed and the programme does not crash. Turn graphics back on - and a couple of sweeps with the scroll bar and the erorr has occurred. > It would also be interesting to know if the document crashes when > printed, since printing consists of rendering the whole document. I have printed just the offending page - and the whole document - in glorious technicolor - with no crash! After printing, a couple of 'sweeps' with the scroll bar and the crash recurs. I note, however, that after three crashes there are three OvnPro dynamic areas - at one stage I had fifteen of them which led to Pluto reporting "Unable to allocate logical address space" when I clicked on a URL in an attempt to download the latest AWViewer as suggested by Brian Howlett. As you may imagine, I did not stop trying to elminate causes having sent my earlier message. I took an empty document and started adding frame by frame until I obtained the crash. This test document is about half a megabyte compressed. I have found the following things provoke the crash - moving up and down one document with the offending grouped frame (by the way ungrouping the frames makes no difference) - and trying to copy that frame to another document - the crash occurs when the image is about to be rendered on the second document. This has led me to wonder whether the problem is related to redrawing when some cache limit has been reached, a region is put out of the cache and thus re-rendering is necessary. The reason that this comes to mind is that I have a document containing just the one grouped frame which, when added to the test document, causes the crash. I can fill this other document with as many copies of the offending frame (group) as I like and the crash does not occur whatever I do. Put it into the test document and the crash occurs after a few 'sweeps' of the scroll bar. The magazine is actually the first document that I can remember producing with more than one Artworks image (there will eventually be some 20 - plus a further dozen or so jpeg images). The total document size will only be about 5Mb when complete - so I am sure document size has nothing to do with it. I have documents of hundreds of pages (with no Artworks images) with which I have had no problem. There might, however, nevertheless be a memory problem. After printing, there is a 56Mb dynamic area still allocated to AWRender Crystal supp - which I thought that OvnPro would have released. Perhaps that is awaiting normal OvnPro termination (which, of course, hasn't occurred because it crashed)? In addition to this I have three OvnPro dynamic areas - one of 1104kb, the other two of 1108kb. All, correspond to crashes of the same document - so why the different sizes? Is this, I ask myself, a further clue? I hope what I have done may offer a useful hint as to where to look next! Thanks, Keith -- Inspired! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 4 12:23:26 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJRyd-1S3knw-03-EGq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 12:23:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJRyd-1S3knw-03-EGq; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:21:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJRyd-1S3knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:21:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJRyc-0002S5-SL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:21:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5EB8DB3C757; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02134-07; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15EAAB3C729; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:20:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17384B3C77D for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02035-07 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA3F7B3BFAF for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([83.104.180.237] helo=Jeremy.edencroft2.demon.co.uk) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LJRxz-0002iS-ZW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:20:27 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Exporting text-plus-styles from OPro. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:11:47 GMT Message-ID: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1228 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pmoEX0D8Hc0A:10 a=qLCZKwk7L1cA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=0X4myA6t904S4HKvbJgA:9 a=i73i2QH5X4ee2MsQ5pkA:7 a=5R6lEIm5ySMw2Uw6uPZBL1JH-RcA:4 a=BgJWR2bEJjkA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1873] Please can some kind soul take pity... I am sure I have known the answers to these queries in the past, but I've lost track. :-( How can I /export text/ from OPro WITH any text- and paragraph- styles? - i.e. as an RTF type of file. I have !TransRTF... but that is only for RTF /import/, isn't it? Has there been an RTF /export/ applet? I seem to recollect having a 'Save as RTF' in the Save dialog at some point... ? Saving as HTML does only a partial job - bold and italic, perhaps. Printing to PS/PDF, and using some other application to interpret only allows plain text export. (Or at least, I haven't yet found a PDF-reading application for RISC OS which allows export of text-PLUS-styles. Might there might be a PDF-reading app for Mac, my other available OS, which does this??) Or can EasiWriter be made to import DDL? Or what have I missed?? Thanks in advance. JR -- Jeremy Roberts To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 4 14:00:12 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJSyO-2DbGPo-08-DH5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:00:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJSyO-2DbGPo-08-DH5; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:24:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJSyO-2DbGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:24:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJSyK-0003Sv-7u for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:24:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08FDFB3C9C1; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07433-01; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1C64B3C95B; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 04 Jan 2009 08:24:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3744B3C88A for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:24:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07191-06 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:24:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90D8AB3C707 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so1372541uge.11 for ; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:24:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.216.7 with SMTP id o7mr12289310ugg.83.1231075451636; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? (191-234.dsl13.newtelsolutions.net [81.20.191.234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7sm23928318uge.0.2009.01.04.05.23.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:24:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Michael Talibard To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting text-plus-styles from OPro. Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:23:57 +0000 References: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1229 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wcUzCI6WQXsA:10 a=GeaPDGL3-nIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rogw6ZOX9CkjzZkZITIA:9 a=HDgOLQL5e_RxchQBjE0A:7 a=LxTWXp6QKcJfeevIS_ntWKYgYfIA:4 a=DFZ4TeuG6JwA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1873] To help us help you, what do you want to be able to do with it once exported? On 4 Jan 2009, at 12:11, Jeremy Roberts wrote: > Please can some kind soul take pity... I am sure I have known the > answers to these queries in the past, but I've lost track. :-( > > How can I /export text/ from OPro WITH any text- and paragraph- > styles? - i.e. as an RTF type of file. > > I have !TransRTF... but that is only for RTF /import/, isn't it? Has > there been an RTF /export/ applet? I seem to recollect having a 'Save > as RTF' in the Save dialog at some point... ? > > Saving as HTML does only a partial job - bold and italic, perhaps. > > Printing to PS/PDF, and using some other application to interpret only > allows plain text export. > > (Or at least, I haven't yet found a PDF-reading application for RISC > OS which allows export of text-PLUS-styles. Might there might be a > PDF-reading app for Mac, my other available OS, which does this??) > > Or can EasiWriter be made to import DDL? > > Or what have I missed?? > > Thanks in advance. > > JR > > > -- > Jeremy Roberts > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 4 14:00:19 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJTSN-1nMVbs-03-Cn6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:00:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJTSN-1nMVbs-03-Cn6; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:55:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJTSN-1nMVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:55:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJTSN-0007lu-4f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:55:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88D08B3C5E0; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10305-06; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49ABCB3C540; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 04 Jan 2009 08:55:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B6B7B3C5E0 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10125-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E3EBB3C276 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 08:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-209-97.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.209.97]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n04DtB1V022210 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:55:12 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting text-plus-styles from OPro. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:55:02 GMT Message-ID: <384d641850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1230 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wcUzCI6WQXsA:10 a=GeaPDGL3-nIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Y-cgkQkx0GYNoqIFahYA:9 a=G7aVoDkJMRMt9u0MOlgA:7 a=FHp76WLGkLkouUYkF0xCcCy9a2UA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=H5FRNRdjxcvJllnh:21 a=A0FvXcWr_yemEO7I:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1873] On 4 Jan 2009 Jeremy Roberts wrote: > Please can some kind soul take pity... I am sure I have known the > answers to these queries in the past, but I've lost track. :-( > How can I /export text/ from OPro WITH any text- and paragraph- > styles? - i.e. as an RTF type of file. > I have !TransRTF... but that is only for RTF /import/, isn't it? Has > there been an RTF /export/ applet? I seem to recollect having a 'Save > as RTF' in the Save dialog at some point... ? That would be David Breakwell's MakeRTF app, which I have here, It was never finished and the author seems to have vanished, but it does a sort-of RTF export, though making a mess of frames. As far as I know I can send it to you, if you think it might be useful. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Tm \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 4 14:15:09 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJTa1-1HC000-08-CfS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:15:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJTa1-1HC000-08-CfS; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:03:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJTa1-1HC000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:03:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJTZU-0001m4-CC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:03:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A640B3B6F7; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11180-02; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24BBAB3C7C2; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:02:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA9E5B3B6F7 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10979-06 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D58A7B3BD01 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (88-134-175-195-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.175.195]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1LJTYk3BqL-0005sN; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:02:30 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:03:16 +0100 Message-ID: <6a0e651850.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18zKLrsO6zqZhf2qSSc+B/gB+b8JaIl8GrvARL K4F4BMbvT5UJZhYYilwd9g9+XpJq3dqL4K9F99mRubFDXACKbQ o7FdK1qhebvN3g3anw/n838J4Z1wYBQ X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1231 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=EPv9plPHd2XvYuQIpUsA:9 a=Dp1y0_fhI9VgBKOYXXgA:7 a=GJD0YQcVVPZCNC61TnQZdQZnkg8A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1873] In message <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> Keith Hopper wrote: > After printing, there is a 56Mb dynamic area still allocated to > AWRender Crystal supp - which I thought that OvnPro would have released. No, this is under the control of the AWRender module. > Perhaps that is awaiting normal OvnPro termination (which, of course, > hasn't occurred because it crashed)? It is awaiting termination of ArtWorks file rendering, so this might indicate that the crash occurred inside AWRender. As always, when an application calls a module, any crashes within the module code are handled by (and attributed to) the application. Do you have the "where" command-line utility installed? If so, then typing *where in a TaskWindow after the crash gives information about the location of the crash. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 4 15:00:12 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJUS6-2sP000-07-BnN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:00:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJUS6-2sP000-07-BnN; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:59:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJUS6-2sP000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:59:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJUS0-0002VF-RC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:59:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0044B3B543; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16649-08; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C4E5B3BDE8; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:58:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 745C6B3B543 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:58:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16469-06 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:58:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 404CBB3B4CB for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([83.104.180.237] helo=Jeremy.edencroft2.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LJURJ-0006BO-pF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:58:54 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting text-plus-styles from OPro. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:32:15 GMT Message-ID: References: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1232 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wcUzCI6WQXsA:10 a=GeaPDGL3-nIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=eZuU35dmIytsGg3kLk0A:9 a=efXf-I-c51zoqDKhDMYA:7 a=dBKjRxnsC4gYWBEBEkgid-U3qisA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1873] In message Michael Talibard wrote: > To help us help you, what do you want to be able to do with it once > exported? > > On 4 Jan 2009, at 12:11, Jeremy Roberts wrote: > >> Please can some kind soul take pity... I am sure I have known the >> answers to these queries in the past, but I've lost track. :-( >> >> How can I /export text/ from OPro WITH any text- and paragraph- >> styles? - i.e. as an RTF type of file. [snipped bit of mine] >> >> Thanks in advance. For various purposes... I simply can't get used to EasiWriter for general word-processing, and greatly prefer OPro for all WP and DTP. For some projects it would be good to be able to transfer text-plus-styles (including paragraph styles) to, say, EasiWriter, and thence, if necessary, to Word, or across to the Mac as RTF or Word, so that others can edit it. Hope that helps. J. -- Jeremy Roberts To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 4 15:00:12 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJUSK-3D4Vbs-01-Bn9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:00:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJUSK-3D4Vbs-01-Bn9; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:59:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJUSK-3D4Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:59:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJUSF-00079x-U8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:59:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3A2DB3B62C; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16831-06; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99E96B3C801; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:59:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2A94B3B62C for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16550-06 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C841B3B898 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([83.104.180.237] helo=Jeremy.edencroft2.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LJURb-0006Tw-hM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:59:11 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting text-plus-styles from OPro. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:00:35 GMT Message-ID: <954d6a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> References: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <384d641850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <384d641850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1233 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wcUzCI6WQXsA:10 a=GeaPDGL3-nIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=QhNX-PLHrBEi3lbUhx0A:9 a=aEsJ_3E0lQNEwDzZkEQA:7 a=v4HskPvo2eEL-oCrMf4NJj2N-loA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=EK7ef2LmHfst8RZ7:21 a=DOtFkmvAUxELohDP:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1873] In message <384d641850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 4 Jan 2009 Jeremy Roberts wrote: > >> Please can some kind soul take pity... I am sure I have known the >> answers to these queries in the past, but I've lost track. :-( > >> How can I /export text/ from OPro WITH any text- and paragraph- >> styles? - i.e. as an RTF type of file. > >> I have !TransRTF... but that is only for RTF /import/, isn't it? Has >> there been an RTF /export/ applet? I seem to recollect having a 'Save >> as RTF' in the Save dialog at some point... ? > > That would be David Breakwell's MakeRTF app, which I have here, It was > never finished and the author seems to have vanished, but it does a > sort-of RTF export, though making a mess of frames. > > As far as I know I can send it to you, if you think it might be > useful. > > With best wishes, > > Peter. Ah - yes - that might have been it. I can't now find it on the system. I wonder if it might do the sort of job I want, as I don't seem to need the 'frames bit'. (?) [I now see you were also responding previously to similar queries from others back in 2005. I assume you never did hear back from Breakwell? - specifically about the Careware implications?] Please send if you can - much appreciated. It might be worth experimenting with, mightn't it? Can't find it on the WWW. J. -- Jeremy Roberts To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 4 16:00:13 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJVCP-0aK000-03-B34.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:00:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJVCP-0aK000-03-B34; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:47:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJVCP-0aK000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:47:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJVCN-0003KH-S0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:47:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD30FB3D3F7; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22623-07; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6354DB3D38F; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:46:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C0F0B3D3B2 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22334-01 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F147BB3B849 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-209-97.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.209.97]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n04FkimT023959 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:46:45 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting text-plus-styles from OPro. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:41:47 GMT Message-ID: <2c136e1850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <384d641850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <954d6a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <954d6a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1234 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wcUzCI6WQXsA:10 a=GeaPDGL3-nIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=xU3I_0_5AAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rFaQeDHk6E_sldLY8OkA:9 a=Qs6Gy45GsW_PQeHzxxsA:7 a=ctF_jahpaCTNU3dOoED_4WanbkYA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=Cll546Kac75m-qUc:21 a=ttDllYBMHYuYQp14:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1873] On 4 Jan 2009 Jeremy Roberts wrote: > In message <384d641850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> > Dr Peter Young wrote: [snip] >> That would be David Breakwell's MakeRTF app, which I have here, It was >> never finished and the author seems to have vanished, but it does a >> sort-of RTF export, though making a mess of frames. >> >> As far as I know I can send it to you, if you think it might be >> useful. >> >> With best wishes, >> >> Peter. > Ah - yes - that might have been it. I can't now find it on the system. > I wonder if it might do the sort of job I want, as I don't seem to > need the 'frames bit'. (?) > [I now see you were also responding previously to similar queries from > others back in 2005. I assume you never did hear back from Breakwell? > - specifically about the Careware implications?] I can't remember the details, but I know that attempts to contact Mr Breakwell failed. As to the careware implications, the help file says, "If you find !MakeRTF useful then please consider making a donation to my Scout Group! Cheques (made payable to 2nd New Haw Scout Group)", so a donation doesn't seem to be obligatory. Perhaps if the Scout Group still exists they wouldn't turn down a donation :-) I've just done a Google, and they are at http://www.2ndnewhawscouts.com/ and oddly enough, there is an e-mail address for David Breakwell on the site! I don't have the enthusiasm to follow this up, though. FWIW I did send them some money way back last century, though I never found it really useful. > Please send if you can - much appreciated. It might be worth > experimenting with, mightn't it? Sent, assuming the "from" address is valid. > Can't find it on the WWW. Not even on Chris Johnson's OPro resources site. Perhaps as it was never finished? With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jan 4 19:45:20 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJYqW-0FgGPo-03-FvT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:45:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJYqW-0FgGPo-03-FvT; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:41:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJYqW-0FgGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:41:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJYqW-0006f8-9P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:41:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9649B3BD42; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:41:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13399-01; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:41:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BED5B3B6F7; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:41:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:40:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B710BB3BD42 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13259-04 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83A94B3B4EF for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LJYpt-0004V8-e0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:40:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:41:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting text-plus-styles from OPro. Message-ID: <5018840a52charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> References: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1235 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wcUzCI6WQXsA:10 a=GeaPDGL3-nIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=R9muNoPp22KX_avhWsgA:9 a=CQoCNLCeNvmMas7zdW8A:7 a=3_z3Phvgf5f3QOOtEHgB3MYE7ikA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=TS2CYfkDxWPhnOPw:21 a=iNRXYfxfAd_c7FQh:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1873] In article <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy Roberts wrote: > Please can some kind soul take pity... I am sure I have known the > answers to these queries in the past, but I've lost track. :-( > How can I /export text/ from OPro WITH any text- and paragraph- > styles? - i.e. as an RTF type of file. I have v2.77. In the File > Save window there are three choices: OvPro DDL or RTF. The applet appeas to be MakeRTF. Not sure where it came from tho'. -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 5 12:07:16 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJanE-09kknw-03-Dyl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:07:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJanE-09kknw-03-Dyl; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:45:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJanE-09kknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:45:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJan9-0002Qj-ER for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:45:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3900B3C8B8; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25261-03; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93EF1B3B6C2; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:45:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C6FEB3C8B8 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:45:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25116-06 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:45:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 469AAB3C8AE for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LJamW-00017G-er for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:45:12 +0000 Message-ID: <7yRU1eDR2SYJFw67@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:43:45 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1236 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=rOpz4swba0YIrqemnL8A:7 a=gczbr_X8T96FhdZRMPcfUSrL-T8A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=CUA4NpOiyEvDJ_X_:21 a=rUbnNusPoPBxqCa8:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1876] In message <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz>, Keith Hopper writes >hasn't occurred because it crashed)? In addition to this I have three >OvnPro dynamic areas - one of 1104kb, the other two of 1108kb. All, >correspond to crashes of the same document - so why the different sizes? Is If Ovation crashes its dynamic area will be orphaned. There are utilities around "killda" (?) that you can use to remove them. Not ideal. I'd be inclined to construct a simple example document that others can look at. You mentioned a crash when copying to another document, but perhaps you could turn off pictures in the destination document before copying. What happens if you construct a new document using the suspect image? As ever I think Martin W has the best suggestion, so maybe you'll give that a go. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 5 12:07:17 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJasN-3Auknw-06-Dtc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:07:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJasN-3Auknw-06-Dtc; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:51:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJasN-3Auknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:51:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJasM-000581-Rq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:51:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 463D5B3C8AE; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25465-09; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04E17B3BEBC; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:50:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82823B3C951 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:50:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25343-06 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:50:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FF1AB3C409 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LJark-0000mJ-Zi for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:50:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:49:09 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting text-plus-styles from OPro. References: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <384d641850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <954d6a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <2c136e1850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2c136e1850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1237 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wcUzCI6WQXsA:10 a=GeaPDGL3-nIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pCQR4_i4Ef7B4YlVqSIA:9 a=V8DyPrO2LIgJfOthxJwA:7 a=IZbfe92WZOTXu-HoCoHuTzWM6rgA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=6iKlYZFqtvDlnHp8:21 a=SP4-uKJZsROQMkxC:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1876] In message <2c136e1850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young writes >>> That would be David Breakwell's MakeRTF app, which I have here, It was I think you've said most that can be said. MakeRTF is the thing to get. My feeling (having contacted him a few years back) is that David Breakwell no longer wants to be involved with the Acorn/Ovation world, and should probably be left alone. I think it might be a good idea to have MakeRTF on Chris Johnson's Ovation resources site. MakeRTF is a "trans" filter, not an applet, so the usual admonition, it is not supposed to go in the Applets folder but will do no harm if you do put it there. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 5 12:07:21 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJcmh-1MYVbs-03-BzI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:07:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJcmh-1MYVbs-03-BzI; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:53:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJcmh-1MYVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:53:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJcmg-00065N-V9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:53:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60E44B3C04E; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01375-05; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E724B3BEBC; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:52:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE52CB3C04E for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:52:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01272-04 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:52:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.19]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E595B3BD76 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:52:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LJcm3-0001eq-Ms for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:52:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:52:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting text-plus-styles from OPro. Message-ID: <50189b04d0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <384d641850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <954d6a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <2c136e1850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: fa08a2d5a549516fa77e37623dda13ff X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1238 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wcUzCI6WQXsA:10 a=GeaPDGL3-nIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bjZgU5RZY6hiNCegZg8A:9 a=4Ssl_MeJZ3ulhGxlIXkA:7 a=_3ngIETMmuBTHf4swt6AhvQuFf4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=Z3B4ClCvYKoH4Jjx:21 a=IYpauYaGjj8vLuhk:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1876] In article , David Pilling wrote: > I think it might be a good idea to have MakeRTF on Chris Johnson's > Ovation resources site. Very willing - however I cannot find it on my hard drive at the moment, so I am not sure whether I have it tucked away somewhere or not. I assume there was never any source code released. Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 5 12:07:22 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJd3L-17x000-08-Bie.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:07:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJd3L-17x000-08-Bie; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:10:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJd3L-17x000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:10:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJd3L-0004IQ-4j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:10:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EA4FB3B3FB; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02799-08; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FFC7B3BDE3; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:10:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65B32B3B3FB for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02661-05 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from server3.spellings.net (server3.spellings.net [78.110.163.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31EB7B3B293 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 77-102-224-176.cable.ubr17.croy.blueyonder.co.uk ([77.102.224.176] helo=Shuttle) by server3.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LJd2W-0007Vg-47 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:09:52 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <384d641850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <954d6a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <2c136e1850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <50189b04d0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting text-plus-styles from OPro. Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 00:10:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-ID: 1LJd2W-0007Vg-47 X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: bruce@goatly.co.uk X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server3.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goatly.co.uk X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1239 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wcUzCI6WQXsA:10 a=GeaPDGL3-nIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=vTzOlyf7AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hj1GU7S6qNFQ8S6eG9kA:9 a=3kQuQDHKTZjiiArRmAIA:7 a=565RsSLVBnvTd0kj52KqaPMzfJYA:4 a=C35D7iIojSgA:10 a=WerO551DVjb4CKNV:21 a=tvTZ6CkgUl9dld09:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1876] Chris Johnson wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > >> I think it might be a good idea to have MakeRTF on Chris Johnson's >> Ovation resources site. > > Very willing - however I cannot find it on my hard drive at the > moment, so I am not sure whether I have it tucked away somewhere or > not. I assume there was never any source code released. I found it on the web at http://www.a4com.de/riscos/down.htm, near the bottom of the page. The link is "MakeRTF, RTF sichern aus OvationPro 10KB", though the zipped file for download is actually called OV_RTFsave.zip. It contains MakeRTF version 3.03 (possibly February 2001) - does a later version exist? As for source code, it's all in (uncommented) BASIC except for a small resource file called Res. -- Bruce To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 5 12:07:27 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJfft-2mLGPo-04-966.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:07:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJfft-2mLGPo-04-966; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:58:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJfft-2mLGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:58:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJffu-0005T8-4j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:58:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 737EEB3B523; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15120-05; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34347B3B361; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:58:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B344B3B523 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14849-06 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (mail.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FD85B3B522 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EFBADBBD7 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:58:03 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FE82Smzy9rJO for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:49:51 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBE1DBB67 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:58:03 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:58:14 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <5018ac019aasgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <6a0e651850.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <6a0e651850.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1240 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: asgard@inspire.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8jbB9VCtNS-bEczvWA8A:9 a=D8okTwlV6ISHGxOQat8A:7 a=-PqM_bLBoaYKUYSlQ-1aGNeb2W0A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1876] In article <6a0e651850.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: [snip] > Do you have the "where" command-line utility installed? If so, then > typing *where in a TaskWindow after the crash gives information about > the location of the crash. Sorry! No! ... and I have just spent half an hour googling and all I come up with is missing links through quantumsoft - even from Paul Vigay's site! I sort of gather it was written by David Ruck - but if it is freeware I would welcome a copy if someone could forward it to me. Pretty please?? Mind you, Martin, my second message of yesterday reported an error in OvnPro when all it was doing was responding to a WIMP re-draw request which had image rendering OFF. I was just moving an Artworks window when the error occurred! Just a thought! Keith -- Inspired! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 5 12:07:35 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJjj4-21sVbs-02-DZR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:07:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJjj4-21sVbs-02-DZR; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:18:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJjj4-21sVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:18:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJjj3-00009N-JK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:18:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05AE4B3D5C7; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00339-04; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC269B3BECC; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:17:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E99AAB3D5C7 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32641-09 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D3AAB3D58F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 02:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-209-147.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.209.147]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n057HTka005244 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:17:31 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:15:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting text-plus-styles from OPro. Message-ID: <5018c39698dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <384d641850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <954d6a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <2c136e1850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1241 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wcUzCI6WQXsA:10 a=GeaPDGL3-nIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=vTzOlyf7AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=EnlXM-vcAIv9jNWoXpUA:9 a=O0FVcoKpc2PRE-uHBy0A:7 a=CfRSeO7ea8vnBoyfGl4DESoQSl4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1876] In article , Bruce Goatly wrote: > I found it on the web at http://www.a4com.de/riscos/down.htm, near the > bottom of the page. The link is "MakeRTF, RTF sichern aus OvationPro > 10KB", though the zipped file for download is actually called > OV_RTFsave.zip. It contains MakeRTF version 3.03 (possibly February > 2001) - does a later version exist? > As for source code, it's all in (uncommented) BASIC except for a small > resource file called Res. As far as I can remember, 3.04 was the last I saw released. IIRC. It sorted some paragraph spacing stuff. Yes the last version I have is 3.04 and it says: " Additional DDL conversion of Paragraph Spacing and Indents." Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 5 12:07:36 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJkmt-2feGPo-03-CVc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:07:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJkmt-2feGPo-03-CVc; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:26:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJkmt-2feGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:26:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJkms-0007aZ-Jh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:26:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A2D8B3D51F; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 03:26:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05586-06; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 03:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B27D3B3D522; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 03:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 03:25:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91CC5B3D51F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 03:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05409-09 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 03:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3346EB3D4F8 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 03:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-209-97.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.209.97]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n058PTjN006061 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:25:30 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting text-plus-styles from OPro. To: From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:24:10 GMT Message-ID: <96d8c91850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <384d641850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <954d6a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <2c136e1850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <50189b04d0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1242 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wcUzCI6WQXsA:10 a=GeaPDGL3-nIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=vTzOlyf7AAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=A_s5f506TrIyar_femoA:9 a=rFjFyBRCYxhkyeSgPykA:7 a=jZrr3het4n1f0hBLqJaYIgP9SREA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=iq_RVkc_JorUQdtZ:21 a=ltsPQZUgr55Jo6zL:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1876] On 5 Jan 2009 "Bruce Goatly" wrote: > Chris Johnson wrote: >> In article , >> David Pilling wrote: >> >>> I think it might be a good idea to have MakeRTF on Chris Johnson's >>> Ovation resources site. >> >> Very willing - however I cannot find it on my hard drive at the >> moment, so I am not sure whether I have it tucked away somewhere or >> not. I assume there was never any source code released. > I found it on the web at http://www.a4com.de/riscos/down.htm, near the > bottom of the page. The link is "MakeRTF, RTF sichern aus OvationPro > 10KB", though the zipped file for download is actually called > OV_RTFsave.zip. It contains MakeRTF version 3.03 (possibly February > 2001) - does a later version exist? Odd. Here this download produces the 3.02, which I already have :-( With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Tm \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 5 12:07:37 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJmP3-22uVbs-03-AtS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:07:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJmP3-22uVbs-03-AtS; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:09:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJmP3-22uVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:09:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJmP2-0004nP-HK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:09:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5817B3BA0D; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12555-04; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A00FBB3C0EC; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:09:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D107B3BA0D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12419-02 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4B2DB3AEE0 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (88-134-175-195-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.175.195]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1LJmOP0yJj-0000em; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:09:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:08:22 +0100 Message-ID: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <6a0e651850.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <5018ac019aasgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <5018ac019aasgard@inspire.net.nz> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18AfsYN2MsYk+Rhb/mJrnKjPyMSs+3TxxAyroU him92Q8bdgDfNSJXFQKOkup9VEyIy4yjCpajk04amMNxFjW7h2 QDk8J0m8l7AsFLhv8kZXWc+7aCajwu3 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1243 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=14Dn8mYHAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NoFks52v1IooyJyylnsA:9 a=C4LZIoQKa8-hs0w8ZiQA:7 a=bqc1SFTlao_3SmRlHIN-u1GLS0oA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1876] In message <5018ac019aasgard@inspire.net.nz> Keith Hopper wrote: > In article <6a0e651850.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > [snip] >> Do you have the "where" command-line utility installed? If so, then >> typing *where in a TaskWindow after the crash gives information about >> the location of the crash. > Sorry! No! ... and I have just spent half an hour googling and all I > come up with is missing links through quantumsoft - even from Paul Vigay's > site! I sort of gather it was written by David Ruck - but if it is freeware > I would welcome a copy if someone could forward it to me. Pretty please?? http://www.armclub.org.uk/32bit/ Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 5 12:07:37 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJmgH-2k8Vbs-01-AcE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:07:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJmgH-2k8Vbs-01-AcE; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:27:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJmgH-2k8Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:27:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJmgG-0003YK-DL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:27:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3553B3D60E; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14163-03; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 737E1B3D60B; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 05:26:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5043B3D60E for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14089-02 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net (pih-relay08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7146B3D5EB for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 05:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LJmfd-0008Rw-Az for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:26:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:26:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting text-plus-styles from OPro. Message-ID: <5018d50168chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <5018c39698dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <384d641850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <954d6a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <2c136e1850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5018c39698dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 39f9117373162f882af5648febe36809 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1244 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wcUzCI6WQXsA:10 a=GeaPDGL3-nIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=vTzOlyf7AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ksqNLbhLIKRsRcvo3PQA:9 a=dxGRCBW2GWC4spuqJf8A:7 a=YVhRIxipnFDjs0oOuaJiwyf4p5cA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=qjy7pkxz179aw_3u:21 a=4mvvEUnQcObFpgBe:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1876] In article <5018c39698dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > Bruce Goatly wrote: > > I found it on the web at http://www.a4com.de/riscos/down.htm, > > near the bottom of the page. The link is "MakeRTF, RTF sichern > > aus OvationPro 10KB", though the zipped file for download is > > actually called OV_RTFsave.zip. It contains MakeRTF version 3.03 > > (possibly February 2001) - does a later version exist? > > As for source code, it's all in (uncommented) BASIC except for a > > small resource file called Res. Might be possible to do a few fixes then. > As far as I can remember, 3.04 was the last I saw released. > IIRC. It sorted some paragraph spacing stuff. > > Yes the last version I have is 3.04 and it says: " Additional DDL > conversion of Paragraph Spacing and Indents." Dave has sent me a copy of 3.04, so I will get it on to the site later today. Trying to get the little grey cells responsive, I think the reason it is not on the site already is that David Breakwell originally said 'wait until it is finished' since he didn't want older versions around while it was still in a state of flux. Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 5 12:07:40 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJo8Q-2U8000-08-9A5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:07:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJo8Q-2U8000-08-9A5; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:00:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJo8Q-2U8000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:00:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJo8K-0006ar-Pj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:00:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2346AB3BD7D; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21700-06; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D640FB3BD2B; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 06:59:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED484B3CD2B for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21513-08 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EAD3B3C9AC for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LJo7e-0005jD-2v for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:59:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:59:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting text-plus-styles from OPro. Message-ID: <5018dd9258chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <50189b04d0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <384d641850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <954d6a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <2c136e1850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <50189b04d0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 3c94b5b6e791a371e0c197f72dd33b63 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1245 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wcUzCI6WQXsA:10 a=GeaPDGL3-nIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=I4CoAImwAAAA:8 a=NQys6wZ_AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=r3faGXXw_JtlTsYQGlQA:9 a=4D5MKGJR2Fyl9N8lZPwA:7 a=OSCdj6-TynArMvr48YI0DO7_hNwA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=Ji3wQLqaqnSVogsc:21 a=KjiUNuYImmF57Jk1:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1876] In article <50189b04d0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > I think it might be a good idea to have MakeRTF on Chris > > Johnson's Ovation resources site. > Very willing - however I cannot find it on my hard drive at the > moment, so I am not sure whether I have it tucked away somewhere or > not. I assume there was never any source code released. Thanks to Dave Symes for sending me version 3.04 of MakeRTF. It is now available from either the plus net site http://www.chrisjohnson.plus.com/ovationpro/filters.html or my other site(s) http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/filters.html http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/filters.html the latter simply pointing to the org.uk site I have checked and all are working fine. Regards Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 5 12:22:17 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJoRD-116knw-08-8rI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:22:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJoRD-116knw-08-8rI; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:20:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJoRD-116knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:20:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJoRD-0005HZ-8y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:20:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1C7BB3D826; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23297-05; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 628C3B3D821; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 07:19:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BA03B3D826 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23047-04 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DFC0B3D824 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LJoQT-0003B5-kj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:19:21 +0000 Message-ID: <7$WEGvCNqfYJFwqU@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:18:21 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting text-plus-styles from OPro. References: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <384d641850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <954d6a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <2c136e1850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <50189b04d0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5018dd9258chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <5018dd9258chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1246 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wcUzCI6WQXsA:10 a=GeaPDGL3-nIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=I4CoAImwAAAA:8 a=NQys6wZ_AAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=h_dMZ4zz0DYRAkTTA4IA:7 a=_9eE5_dEkfxQXdZhTDgHdrc32DgA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=bUlJbBzmRfmZWCtC:21 a=yiRf41qs3y-vPKp2:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1876] In message <5018dd9258chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes >Thanks to Dave Symes for sending me version 3.04 of MakeRTF. It is >now available from either the plus net site > > http://www.chrisjohnson.plus.com/ovationpro/filters.html > >or my other site(s) > > http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/filters.html > http://www.chris-johnson.org/ovationpro/filters.html Thanks. Originally David Breakwell didn't want web page distribution but was happy with people passing it around. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 5 16:37:21 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJsOV-2NaGPo-02-DQW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:37:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJsOV-2NaGPo-02-DQW; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:33:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJsOV-2NaGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:33:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJsOT-0005gB-JL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:33:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 600B4B3D5F3; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18781-06; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20662B3D6DC; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:32:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EAD9CB3D5F3 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18643-09 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C868B3D55D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-207-111.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.207.111]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n05GWlEg013022 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:32:48 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:55:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting text-plus-styles from OPro. Message-ID: <5018f32856dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7$WEGvCNqfYJFwqU@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <384d641850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <954d6a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <2c136e1850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <50189b04d0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5018dd9258chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <7$WEGvCNqfYJFwqU@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1247 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wcUzCI6WQXsA:10 a=GeaPDGL3-nIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4Lu83zIKEoTrtUWgV_QA:9 a=MdbmXi7VH91_Iv1V_RQA:7 a=G5nxj49NJ4O2cpYE9Trj8YqUyH4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=Hpuvrp2yPBn1nWTr:21 a=1Bpwy6YI-PNQPHK4:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1876] In article <7$WEGvCNqfYJFwqU@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Thanks. > Originally David Breakwell didn't want web page distribution but was > happy with people passing it around. I wonder if he'd be okay with someone else working on it, to advance it a bit? Not me though Guv' my expertise is in other areas... Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 5 17:22:22 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJszg-0ZIknw-02-CpL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:22:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJszg-0ZIknw-02-CpL; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:12:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJszg-0ZIknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:12:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJszW-000112-IJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:12:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26C1AB3DBD5; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24559-04; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D77EEB3DBA0; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:11:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06E0FB3DBB1 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24451-06 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5330B3DBA8 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:11:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LJsye-0007EA-b1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:10:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:09:41 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting text-plus-styles from OPro. References: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <384d641850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <954d6a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <2c136e1850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <50189b04d0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5018dd9258chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <7$WEGvCNqfYJFwqU@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5018f32856dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5018f32856dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1248 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wcUzCI6WQXsA:10 a=GeaPDGL3-nIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=QvxzZW_JubtteG-oboAA:7 a=x5iGWVOcpWZ2BrPUr2KATHbbkZ4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=wN1dvgVpwPRlLqx6:21 a=BqPLaZJgzE1KB8IF:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1876] In message <5018f32856dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >I wonder if he'd be okay with someone else working on it, to advance it a >bit? I expect so. I could probably do even better than that if anyone is worried, ISTR when I talked to him it was about making changes to his indexing applet. As far as I can recall we got permission. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 5 19:33:50 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJv2L-04k000-04-Amg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 19:33:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJv2L-04k000-04-Amg; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:22:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJv2L-04k000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:22:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJv2F-00043N-6x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:22:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EAF6B3E04F; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:22:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10367-01; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:22:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B6EDB3E027; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:22:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DF6AB3DF90 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10065-09 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:22:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail11.bluewin.ch (mail11.bluewin.ch [195.186.18.61]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D25F4B3DFC1 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:22:02 -0500 (EST) X-FXIT-IP: IPv4[92.106.68.153] Epoch[1231183321] Received: from [92.106.68.153] ([92.106.68.153:15901] helo=iyonix.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch) by mail11.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.36 r(27513/27514)) with ESMTP id 82/61-25295-9DD52694; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:22:01 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Exporting text-plus-styles from OPro. To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:27:07 +0100 Message-ID: <828a061950.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> References: <2ed95a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <384d641850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <954d6a1850.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <2c136e1850.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <50189b04d0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <5018dd9258chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <7$WEGvCNqfYJFwqU@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5018f32856dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1249 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wcUzCI6WQXsA:10 a=GeaPDGL3-nIA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=JPEoruv3mJj91TS12dwA:9 a=ZhbLcvpGyvKUXOj98jkA:7 a=n_IVQKXqmbpCgNex1kxJIirDx-0A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=rfFmRRoajRDiy_oG:21 a=OlFy3NO30MALFmZT:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.2/1876] In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <5018f32856dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes >>I wonder if he'd be okay with someone else working on it, to advance it a >>bit? > I expect so. > I could probably do even better than that if anyone is worried, ISTR > when I talked to him it was about making changes to his indexing applet. > As far as I can recall we got permission. I can positively confirm that. -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 6 11:38:18 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJxmg-3kNVbs-02-GYr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:38:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJxmg-3kNVbs-02-GYr; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:18:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJxmg-3kNVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:18:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJxmb-0005fQ-Ie for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:18:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 676B6B3DF3E; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27688-08; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D2CFB3E426; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:18:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BFEEB3DF3E for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27535-05 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B03F8B3ED13 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LJxlf-0004BZ-jb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:17:51 +0000 Message-ID: <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:16:33 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1250 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=TjSXAs4doNDcK-Qmh7oA:9 a=H7yXfli1gtyl14Y3zK4A:7 a=ldz47EY3x6n3t8WAwq7qtIE2ZNAA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=87p029dakPoLGLAr:21 a=N5iS5otNZxTqNmC1:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.3/1878] In message <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz>, Keith Hopper writes > This has led me to wonder whether the problem is related to redrawing >when some cache limit has been reached, a region is put out of the cache >and thus re-rendering is necessary. Up to here it sounds like a memory effect. If there was something wrong with just one graphic one would expect that graphic alone in a document to go wrong. > The reason that this comes to mind is that I have a document >containing just the one grouped frame which, when added to the test >document, causes the crash. I can fill this other document with as many >copies of the offending frame (group) as I like and the crash does not >occur whatever I do. Copying a graphic inside a document does not copy the graphic, it just creates a reference to it - look at the memory the document occupies it will not jump up as you copy. Errm. a little voice is saying "AW files are copied to low memory for rendering". Did I do that? I'll have to look at the changes files. However that explanation would not depend on the total of AW files in a document. If you had any easy way of doing it, running Ovation so that it has 31 bit memory addresses would be interesting - amounts to running Ovation and nothing else. There could be a problem like the crash occurs if AW image 1 is rendered after AW image 2, something in the code that is not re-initialised. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 6 11:38:37 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LJzDT-0dYknw-06-F84.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:38:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LJzDT-0dYknw-06-F84; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:50:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LJzDT-0dYknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:50:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LJzDT-0005Cd-86 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:50:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B9E7B3EE22; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05400-02; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A48DB3F08E; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:50:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4E68B3EE22 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:50:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05165-08 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:50:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F62AB3ED1F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:50:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (88-134-175-195-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.175.195]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1LJzCp2g1S-0005wB; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:49:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:45:26 +0100 Message-ID: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19Kk/IBtueg8lLg0Dmqtc0aXri4QzS7FJBA1Hz EOtHOQ/UgJDbIw1iWa7VQfBbBwGkcfRjmKpSdV7zIDxNXnq6oc eWlRrraB+DpmoNan345uBuoZt+jhQvG X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1251 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=44NUe0OhJUdmPuRZYbsA:9 a=otM2gtraKJioR4cTYZ0A:7 a=0x3PgQ_nwaBIXTcxtZ9d3yTTbhwA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=kjaNqCfbHwXWRTiy:21 a=uvTjmEymxNlhZPX2:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.3/1878] In message <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Errm. a little voice is saying "AW files are copied to low memory for > rendering". Did I do that? I'll have to look at the changes files. Yes. There were two reasons: Very old versions of AWRender (pre 1.37) could not render from high memory due to the colour callback interface. That is no longer an issue with any reasonably recent AWRender (mid 2002 and later). Secondly, AWRender itself cannot render files containing sprite objects at high addresses and that limitation still exists. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 6 11:38:51 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LK3zU-1PdGPo-01-AM3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:38:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LK3zU-1PdGPo-01-AM3; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:56:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LK3zU-1PdGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:56:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LK3zP-0001M9-RT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:56:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 401A8B3F2B5; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03863-03; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8CC0B3F224; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:56:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:55:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1529B3F2B5 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03716-08 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (mail.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C629B3F329 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A83DBF19 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:55:47 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5tr2OLoXhGJf for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:47:34 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272B0DBF37 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:55:47 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:55:59 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1252 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: asgard@inspire.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=UWp0hglXsIbYl62TpgEA:9 a=A_yZQ8oQJYEY3f5JLn0A:7 a=TwAILasoqI2Zf_72JKKMwjyr4G4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=SYDvkJ3aGLy7Y0Cu:21 a=GGTOM8KAglIngW_m:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.3/1878] In article <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz>, Keith Hopper > writes > > This has led me to wonder whether the problem is related to redrawing > >when some cache limit has been reached, a region is put out of the cache > >and thus re-rendering is necessary. > Up to here it sounds like a memory effect. If there was something wrong > with just one graphic one would expect that graphic alone in a document > to go wrong. [snip] You probably don't want to know you were right! The little Where utility makes repeatably the following dreaded report - "Address FC031A00 is at offset 0001392C in module UtilityModule" *help modules reports MOS Utilities version 5.11 I rather think this may be bad news --- unless someone can enlighten me otherwise! Ah! Well! Keith -- Inspired! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 7 12:16:04 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LKXEA-188GPo-01-FDR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:16:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LKXEA-188GPo-01-FDR; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 12:09:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LKXEA-188GPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 12:09:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LKXEA-0005AU-Cb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 12:09:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BEECBB4018B; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28175-04; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78E21B40040; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:09:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74DC4B4018B for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28050-07 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 419BEB4018A for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LKXDY-0007Yn-ng for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 12:09:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:07:36 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1253 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2s2sA-Shuy0_oSmCO8AA:9 a=l_KGBHeKFECNTFhAvlQA:7 a=J8m7lxPTI4rJNYTaF7hrC-0j3O0A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=zuHjshRxJjKVHDWi:21 a=_UJ3sL5-oWjrA9Qd:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.4/1880] In message <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz>, Keith Hopper writes >utility makes repeatably the following dreaded report - > >"Address FC031A00 is at offset 0001392C in module UtilityModule" > > *help modules reports MOS Utilities version 5.11 This is so bad I managed to block it out all day yesterday and didn't reply. I don't know the answer. I guess the scenario is "program crashes and breaks the inside of RISC OS". I wonder if Martin has any better idea. Is there any possibility of making the document available to myself and Martin W? Another idea, make the wimpslot value, the one set at the end of the !Run file in !OvnPro significantly bigger. I've vaguely said "memory problems", bumping up the wimpslot may be one way to help. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 7 20:07:26 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LKefG-1OWGPo-04-GIr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:07:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LKefG-1OWGPo-04-GIr; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:06:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LKefG-1OWGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:06:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LKefF-00016T-VT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:06:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C772B43A22; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24014-09; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C8D6B43B38; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:05:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3470B43A2F for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23866-09 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (mail.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A41FB439DF for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C7BDC071 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:05:26 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dAS989gsmiuJ for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:57:11 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73105DC068 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 09:05:26 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:05:40 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1254 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: asgard@inspire.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=EIAPdJ4wT8dF_pVeD_sA:9 a=Ug4x5esum0CgkVqgoMIA:7 a=DiPvGYbBaUSBZYya-lrOj3C1ZBUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=vaMam3Av4Crw8mzR:21 a=3Ruig6l1LcH911os:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.4/1880] In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz>, Keith Hopper > writes > >utility makes repeatably the following dreaded report - > > > >"Address FC031A00 is at offset 0001392C in module UtilityModule" > > > > *help modules reports MOS Utilities version 5.11 > This is so bad I managed to block it out all day yesterday and didn't > reply. > I don't know the answer. I guess the scenario is "program crashes and > breaks the inside of RISC OS". I wonder if Martin has any better idea. > Is there any possibility of making the document available to myself and > Martin W? Replied privately. Keith -- Inspired! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 7 21:22:30 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LKfkC-4DCknw-06-FDv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:22:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LKfkC-4DCknw-06-FDv; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:15:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LKfkC-4DCknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:15:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LKfkB-0001Uo-Cz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:15:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0419B43B37; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03897-07; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E43CB43BAA; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:14:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED887B43B37 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03817-04 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (mail.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34995B439CB for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10BB6DBDA1 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:14:36 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fBq6qR0oaP45 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:06:21 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24C9DBD06 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:14:35 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:14:48 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <501a18127dasgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1255 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: asgard@inspire.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=X4RlBQKI_zhHhGSUij4A:9 a=JK-wSFJUzfFQlDrJdGAA:7 a=_ru-Obm_BlCc7lVVA33Z4611UKYA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=a5Sw9k-XIT2Psy71:21 a=zIyV0NBQQiGzPgkY:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.4/1880] In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz>, Keith Hopper > writes > >utility makes repeatably the following dreaded report - > > > >"Address FC031A00 is at offset 0001392C in module UtilityModule" > > > > *help modules reports MOS Utilities version 5.11 > This is so bad I managed to block it out all day yesterday and didn't > reply. [snip] > Another idea, make the wimpslot value, the one set at the end of the > !Run file in !OvnPro significantly bigger. I've vaguely said "memory > problems", bumping up the wimpslot may be one way to help. Mmmm! Even with a 32M wimpslot it just takes a little longer! Probably 10/15 scroll bar 'sweeps' before the error occurs. However! An interesting new bit of information! While attempting to write this note using Pluto immediately after my test, any attempt to delete using Ctrl-X (for the snip) resulted in an error beep - but no error window from Pluto. I had to use the Delete key - a character at a time - to get rid of the snipped bit. Since I had previously been using Pluto to do the same sort of reply to other messages I begin to wonder if indeed it is a RISCOS problem with what appears to be some sort of interaction between a failing application and another already loaded one. However, Ctrl-X still works happily in StrongED - although I think that that does its own memory control quite differently. Baffled as ever! Mind you - touch wood - once image rendering is off I have no troubles with any document. Thanks for your thoughts, Keith -- Inspired! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 7 21:37:30 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LKg2e-1myknw-02-EvT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:37:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LKg2e-1myknw-02-EvT; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:34:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LKg2e-1myknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:34:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LKg2Y-0003de-F2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:34:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FC11B43D56; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06166-02; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 331D4B43DC4; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:32:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F43CB43D56 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:32:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06001-09 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:32:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (mail.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97227B43D02 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F81DBC75 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:32:37 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3wx8omwFCFnO for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:24:22 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC61237A42D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:32:36 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:32:50 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: type 5 error Message-ID: <501a19b8e0asgard@inspire.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1256 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: asgard@inspire.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=WEg8z_BM0DZwIxI3pQ0A:9 a=IG4eWzQsFwYU3-XlM4gA:7 a=26L3DC_D4Fo7MEpmYVte9RktcssA:4 a=SKpDKCWXRSQA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.10.4/1880] Greetings, Sorry! I shouldn't have sent that last message saying that StrongED was alright after the crash. While Ctrl-X, etc worked as advertised, other things didn't! In particular the keyboard macros had been 'damaged' such that, for example, the entry for 'Ctrl-D' was used for both that short-cut and the short-cut for 'Ctrl-Shift-D'. I quit StrongEd and reloaded it - tried again - but the same error persisted. Eventually I discovered that I needed a warm boot to clear the problem - the same on both my machines! Please forgive me if you think I have been beating a small problem to death - but since it happens on two machines independently, I think that any clues might be useful - offering the possibility of that 'Eureka' moment to someone reading this! Keith -- Inspired! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 8 11:46:49 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LKrkT-0FMGPo-07-BkA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:46:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LKrkT-0FMGPo-07-BkA; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:04:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LKrkT-0FMGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:04:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LKrkT-0006tK-Ct for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:04:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7D9AB442D6; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28060-05; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 921EEB44A32; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:03:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 103ACB442D6 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:03:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27834-09 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mout-xforward.kundenserver.de (mout-xforward.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABBE6B41283 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (88-134-175-195-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.175.195]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML2xA-1LKrjr1joF-0007VR; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:03:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:04:16 +0100 Message-ID: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+KTrhSVB6bVddPpKSEdE9jRzt1c/ZtnbWdPBS pcC+7yG4gwGwmTe1Ir7ho6FP8WlxAaneFCyppT5Qh1nBPAFAPZ rrpFgSueRC4kWkHpD3aNtY5+uCyLl3B X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1257 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_vdLGzY4qAv7SpagVGEA:9 a=G-TMV9iHTyxAQCHKvzYA:7 a=d3iIOxqvU_xDsptQNCjgk-x4KjUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=7NgO0TiSBLpDGZgJ:21 a=OyD0MVsn3hIBIGB1:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.228 [270.10.5/1882] In message <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> Keith Hopper wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz>, Keith Hopper >> writes >>>utility makes repeatably the following dreaded report - >>> >>>"Address FC031A00 is at offset 0001392C in module UtilityModule" >>> >>> *help modules reports MOS Utilities version 5.11 >> This is so bad I managed to block it out all day yesterday and didn't >> reply. >> I don't know the answer. I guess the scenario is "program crashes and >> breaks the inside of RISC OS". I wonder if Martin has any better idea. >> Is there any possibility of making the document available to myself and >> Martin W? > Replied privately. I have had a look at this problem and while it is related to rendering a particular ArtWorks file the crash occurs after ArtWorks rendering has completed, so it is not inside AWRender but in response to an OS call made by OvationPro afterwards. The OS routine it occurs in is masked sprite plotting and the crash happens when the plotting routine's mask pointer runs past the end of OP's WimpSlot. From what I can see, the OS routine thinks there are close to 2^32 pixels left to process, which suggests that some size value turned negative. At a guess, OP calls masked sprite plotting with invalid parameters or an incorrectly constructed sprite, e.g., OP trying to construct a sprite of width 0 which would result in the "width in words - 1" field to become -1 and therefore be interpreted as a huge value. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 8 12:46:35 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LKu4S-24uGPo-03-9QB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:46:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LKu4S-24uGPo-03-9QB; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:33:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LKu4S-24uGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:33:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LKu4S-0001o7-9g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:33:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE994B452C9; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06383-03; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74087B452A6; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:32:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69C3DB452C9 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06259-05 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32F5EB452C8 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:32:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LKu3r-0007no-X5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:32:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:30:49 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1258 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=z3UGsFudORap0C7GfiUA:7 a=AQbiphUD1CCwHcmz4nTzAaYlyewA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=nw_lXe-sangxv8m6:21 a=8rlEiDy_wroU8UJn:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.228 [270.10.5/1882] In message , Martin Wuerthner writes >has completed, so it is not inside AWRender but in response to an OS >call made by OvationPro afterwards. The OS routine it occurs in is >masked sprite plotting and the crash happens when the plotting >guess, OP calls masked sprite plotting with invalid parameters or an Brilliant reply Martin... I've just downloaded the file, and I can't find any Artworks graphics in it, and it won't crash for me (no surprise). As to masked sprite plotting. That is believable. However the situations are limited and it is surprising that it is happening. The most likely source is a graphic in an irregular frame - perhaps a better way to put it would be a graphic in a frame that is not rectangular and not at zero degrees skew and orientation. So is all this trouble occurring in simple rectangular frames? It can be difficult to tell because you may have a frame that looks rectangular but is slightly out. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 8 21:31:53 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LL2S0-3EzVbs-02-9Z9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:31:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LL2S0-3EzVbs-02-9Z9; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:30:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LL2S0-3EzVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:30:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LL2S0-00032j-Ay for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:30:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96A7DB4570A; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25959-01; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17586B3D2AF; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:29:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 661DFB45319 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:29:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25830-07 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:29:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F4AFB4472B for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:29:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (88-134-175-195-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.175.195]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML2xA-1LL2RO34QK-0007Ln; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:29:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:29:29 +0100 Message-ID: <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+K6pD7lhMKxbz8Zx32chXNgzgEHggry0zYb6V vM1c991KNfj2en3jI/sTusMT/MnsFGBkeBuh6C5HoWkH8xxS4s sxDHbli4vdIP+9kCojZTnC/DLHXv+Be X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1259 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=T5H5y2tYn2GSehh9ZxcA:9 a=yyqYYelo2H2pTzREYIYA:7 a=umP3tQXy9haRNL4JZybu4kX-87EA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.228 [270.10.5/1882] In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Martin Wuerthner > writes >>has completed, so it is not inside AWRender but in response to an OS >>call made by OvationPro afterwards. The OS routine it occurs in is >>masked sprite plotting and the crash happens when the plotting >>guess, OP calls masked sprite plotting with invalid parameters or an > Brilliant reply Martin... > I've just downloaded the file, and I can't find any Artworks > graphics in it, and it won't crash for me (no surprise). Are you sure you looked at the right file? I just downloaded it again and it is still the same as this morning. The OP file has 903,372 bytes and 12 pages and there are several ArtWorks graphics. The problematic one is in a grouped frame at the bottom of page 6 (the green lawnmower silhouette). > As to masked sprite plotting. That is believable. However the situations > are limited and it is surprising that it is happening. The most likely > source is a graphic in an irregular frame - perhaps a better way to put > it would be a graphic in a frame that is not rectangular and not at zero > degrees skew and orientation. > So is all this trouble occurring in simple rectangular frames? > It can be difficult to tell because you may have a frame that looks > rectangular but is slightly out. Yes, that sounds likely. If I recreate the frame as a rectangular frame and drop the ArtWorks file in it, it renders normally. In the DLL both frames have angle and skew values of 0 but they differ in that the fcurve field of the original (crashing) frame contains a rectangular path description with move and draw operators whereas the fcurve of the newly created (working) frame contains a "box" description. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 9 12:10:54 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LL2lH-19zGPo-03-9Fs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:10:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LL2lH-19zGPo-03-9Fs; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:49:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LL2lH-19zGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:49:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LL2lH-0003fO-DZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:49:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1094B452DA; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27686-03; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E468B45286; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:49:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93348B452DA for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27548-10 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60610B45150 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:49:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LL2kh-0002If-d9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:49:19 +0000 Message-ID: <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:47:42 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1260 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DK6pZkz0bw6sYo6BqCUA:9 a=EJXZDTfYxZQzqhEIbUYA:7 a=5x3CGC7ztqjTSbVqtHFdzmTeYKMA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=laoM82RQAwvohFzU:21 a=FP9djGqFJcl0-54M:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.5/1882] In message <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner writes >In message >Are you sure you looked at the right file? Yes. Hard to say this, but my problem is that I had the Artworks applet turned off on RISC OS - I must have been doing some tests last time. >problematic one is in a grouped frame at the bottom of page 6 (the >green lawnmower silhouette). >rectangular path description with move and draw operators whereas the >fcurve of the newly created (working) frame contains a "box" You've got it. The lawn mower frame is irregular, select the curve edit tool and click on it. I presume the quick fix is to select the frame and then use object->shape to set it to rectangular. Things fit with the idea of rendering to a sprite with an illegal size. What will be interesting is to determine just why this image is producing the problem - presumably 1000's of images have been rendered in this way. ISTR some sort of tiling goes on, if memory is short. I will investigate tomorrow. I hope Keith is smiling over his cornflakes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 10 15:09:05 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LLPpy-3e9knw-01-Bkj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:09:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LLPpy-3e9knw-01-Bkj; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:28:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LLPpy-3e9knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:28:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LLPpm-0005bW-Gp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:28:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB93BB4687F; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:24:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13684-10; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:24:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3990CB4683B; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:24:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:23:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BE2CB4681C for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13552-07 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (mail.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCF72B4680E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749D4DBC4E for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:23:15 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zq-+0E-qbtwo for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:14:58 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17576DBDE4 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:23:15 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:23:30 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <501b260889asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1261 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: asgard@inspire.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=KKCCj2ypwwRUzFgFdlcA:9 a=DulIx6gGrbAVoocZH2AA:7 a=Fwgbr4cAmBI0EqQBUSHsbcgO4aMA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.5/1884] In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message , Martin Wuerthner > writes > >has completed, so it is not inside AWRender but in response to an OS > >call made by OvationPro afterwards. The OS routine it occurs in is > >masked sprite plotting and the crash happens when the plotting > >guess, OP calls masked sprite plotting with invalid parameters or an > Brilliant reply Martin... > I've just downloaded the file, and I can't find any Artworks > graphics in it, and it won't crash for me (no surprise). > As to masked sprite plotting. That is believable. However the situations > are limited and it is surprising that it is happening. The most likely > source is a graphic in an irregular frame - perhaps a better way to put > it would be a graphic in a frame that is not rectangular and not at zero > degrees skew and orientation. > So is all this trouble occurring in simple rectangular frames? > It can be difficult to tell because you may have a frame that looks > rectangular but is slightly out. But the 'lawn mower' in the lawnmower advert on p6 IS an Artworks one! I can send you the original which I 'dropped into the frame'. Keith -- Inspired! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 10 15:09:07 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LLPuW-0Mm000-08-BgB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:09:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LLPuW-0Mm000-08-BgB; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:33:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LLPuW-0Mm000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:33:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LLPuL-0000Ax-46 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:33:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B772B44297; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14701-06; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E735EB46A67; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:30:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA437B44297 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:30:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14600-03-2 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:30:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (mail.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2105EB450FA for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:30:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8648DBC68 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:29:59 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cNHogv-rwrE6 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:21:42 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EDFDBC5A for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:29:59 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:30:15 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1262 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: asgard@inspire.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_rI8zrJlJTXcrr8kWjUA:9 a=rMuASxmJt2zqDVL9ktoA:7 a=TFXCeShz313Y7FWWFydKnE2m0ZsA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=Q5nWDIadMDErkyTq:21 a=EpADDQ0h8uKj06g7:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.5/1884] In article <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner > writes [snip] > You've got it. The lawn mower frame is irregular, select the curve edit > tool and click on it. I presume the quick fix is to select the frame and > then use object->shape to set it to rectangular. [snip] > I will investigate tomorrow. > I hope Keith is smiling over his cornflakes. Shredded Wheat! Keith -- Inspired! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 12 12:37:15 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LMLx3-03fGPo-08-DJG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:37:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LMLx3-03fGPo-08-DJG; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:31:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LMLx3-03fGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:31:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LMLx3-0002wq-Al for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:31:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAB60B61AA3; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19589-09; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 405CEB61A55; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:30:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02670B5FA38 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19438-02 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D94CCB61A50 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LMLwQ-0001C3-li for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:30:50 +0000 Message-ID: <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:29:18 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1263 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=V4ALibWhaXyLE3KvQo8A:9 a=ZNICoqsdyj4QuL5gj3gA:7 a=W58eOxc4Ei2dtTMz1IvO5ds4pDIA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=iG_Gq1GLIHfzU0V8:21 a=9HIZBTiCr0TUnVEZ:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.5/1886] In message <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz>, Keith Hopper writes > Shredded Wheat! I think I've sorted the problem now. It seems a very complicated situation, Artworks images being rendered in irregular frames. But the actual bug is rather simple. I create a sprite and I don't initialise all the parameters. That means that one of them is dependent upon the random contents of memory - presumably why you have to scroll the document a few times before it crashes. More interesting is why I've failed to set up the sprite correctly. Relatively recently, RISC OS Ltd. extended the sprite format to support an alpha (variable transparency) channel. None of my software actually uses this but I needed to be able to handle extended sprites, so I changed my C header files to support the extra bit which signifies a sprite with an alpha channel. The bug was caused by not initialising this new alpha channel bit when sprites were created, in other words by not changing all the source code that included the header files. I'll check out if the crash is fixed by this change, see if I've made the same mistake elsewhere and let you know when the resulting new version is available. Artworks files have nothing to do with the problem, and any type of graphic in an irregular frame would cause it. There's a case to be made for filling all allocated memory with zero, this hides bugs like the above or at least gives consistent results - Windows does it for security reasons - do we have enough ARM processor cycles to spare? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 12 14:37:19 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LMNnh-2iFVbs-07-BSc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:37:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LMNnh-2iFVbs-07-BSc; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:29:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LMNnh-2iFVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:29:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LMNng-0004AQ-8P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:29:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23A5CB53C7B; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:28:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18703-01-4; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:28:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7931B5F012; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:28:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:27:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FBC2B53C7B for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18275-04 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 945E1B52C1A for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [88.97.42.81] (helo=chris.cornant) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LMNlh-0003FX-Pt for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:27:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:30:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Underlines in OvPro Message-ID: <501c8630bachris@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [88.97.42.81] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1264 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=6hc_PS-Ezb0LmiUyw1oA:9 a=Eh0gP08F_ZQt8vHgZTwA:7 a=IZjaw-tJ9womKbIGLdx5Dp8jF_IA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.5/1886] Hi, Please forgive me if this is in the manual, but I can't find it. A simple question - is it possible to lower underlines a bit, leaving more space under text? And, if so, how? Many thanks, Chris Bell. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 12 15:52:21 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LMP3k-0ww000-02-ACZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:52:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LMP3k-0ww000-02-ACZ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:50:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LMP3k-0ww000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:50:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LMP3j-0006s0-NN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:50:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 327F6B6261F; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06162-02; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BABC1B62370; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:50:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:50:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03E1BB6261F for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:50:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06034-01 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:49:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD957B62405 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:49:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LMP38-0000Tq-Xm for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:49:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:48:31 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Underlines in OvPro References: <501c8630bachris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <501c8630bachris@highpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1265 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHS3EWmMOC8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=u_cbirctbZ6YRqlPUKkA:7 a=VkiCB4u3UrHZ94FupmBGpJP7KekA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=6uFl-FrfGtWwXtt7:21 a=SNj5_am7oeqomrAK:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.5/1886] In message <501c8630bachris@highpath.net>, Chris writes >Please forgive me if this is in the manual, but I can't find it. A >simple question - is it possible to lower underlines a bit, leaving >more space under text? And, if so, how? I think not. ISTR this is a feature which Impression has but Ovation does not. There may be a work around, not pretty, involving applying a vertical shift to all the text (i.e. not just underlined). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 12 16:07:21 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LMP6N-32xknw-07-A9w.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:07:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LMP6N-32xknw-07-A9w; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:53:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LMP6N-32xknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:53:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LMP6N-0004Ll-14 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:53:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8987DB62660; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06788-04; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19838B6265C; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:52:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A46EB62405 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06628-02 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D428B62641 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LMP5k-0002uV-Yh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:52:40 +0000 Message-ID: <2nOHAdFmb2aJFwKr@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:51:02 +0000 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OPW - Portable (USB Memory stick) version? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1266 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fFlzS0o13loA:10 a=75xhsVEvMGwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Wt-AOS42AAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3lcfdezJNapJ-idWil0A:9 a=qLtaDtjQQShyNCaZp-kA:7 a=KU8GQy9Rd7LP4jRVJMtz23TtS_kA:4 a=-ZQhYGXY2L8A:10 a=8MxuiwMJY6e8iADB:21 a=XNAB-4w_O65BNPa4:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.5/1886] For some reason re-posts to the list don't work, so I've had to re-post the following the simple way... From: Paul Shayler Hi all, I was just wondering, would it be possible to produce a version of OPW that could be installed on and run from a USB Memory stick. This would be like the PortableApps versions of Firefox, Thunderbird, Filezilla etc. As I understand it nothing gets installed on the "host" computer. Regards, Paul S. Paul Shayler M3TSF/G6TSF Running the Internet accelerator ONSPEED. Details at http://www.onspeed.com -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 12 16:22:31 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LMPRZ-4B8knw-06-9ok.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:22:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LMPRZ-4B8knw-06-9ok; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:15:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LMPRZ-4B8knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:15:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LMPRN-0004tu-Pb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:15:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79E88B62744; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12161-04; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D88C9B62745; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:13:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55C29B626D1 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11891-06 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16071B62430 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [88.97.42.81] (helo=chris.cornant) by smarthost02.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LMPPR-0004Ax-Qj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:13:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:15:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Underlines in OvPro Message-ID: <501c8fd1b8chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: References: <501c8630bachris@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-Smarthost02-IP: [88.97.42.81] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1267 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHS3EWmMOC8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lQkeLoolAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5t-e2VZ-d-lpdc78m0wA:9 a=trK7021pctB4AP2vhiUA:7 a=Gi6eyfFXWE_zUtSYX_ZD3Q1NIsgA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=aGF_z9gW-QSkTGqW:21 a=2LUmqra-TR3F871J:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.5/1886] David Pilling wrote: > Chris writes > >Please forgive me if this is in the manual, but I can't find it. A > >simple question - is it possible to lower underlines a bit, leaving > >more space under text? And, if so, how? > I think not. ISTR this is a feature which Impression has but Ovation > does not. > There may be a work around, not pretty, involving applying a vertical > shift to all the text (i.e. not just underlined). Thanks for your quick reply, David. Alternatively, I suppose I could draw a horizontal line under the text. Talking of lines, I've discovered how to draw 'non-existant' vertical ones which render onscreen until something passes over them (F12, RETURN restores them), but can't be selected and don't print: Draw a very-nearly vertical line, then use 'Modify line' to change its width to 0. Weird! Chris. -- --------------------------------------------- Chris Bell, Wales, UK chris@highpath.net www.highpath.net --------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 12 17:22:28 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LMQMj-4FHVbs-04-8ta.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:22:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LMQMj-4FHVbs-04-8ta; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:14:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LMQMj-4FHVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:14:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LMQMi-00030v-P7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:14:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F6EDB62CDA; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26698-01-14; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4869B62CE7; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:13:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71E0DB62CDA for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26563-01 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3678BB62CE0 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:13:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LMQM7-0003Ic-in for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:13:40 +0000 Message-ID: <7WYUsYG9n3aJFwYs@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:12:29 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Underlines in OvPro References: <501c8630bachris@highpath.net> <501c8fd1b8chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <501c8fd1b8chris@highpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1268 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHS3EWmMOC8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=zRRrZy8Nntsn-SXjDiUA:9 a=geTy6RN8r-dDZ16wHXoA:7 a=6hJyyV4RvzHSa0J0z3r75Rxk4-sA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=0t6SEjIApVjrjZU1:21 a=-08699DzyIHxuCXO:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.5/1886] In message <501c8fd1b8chris@highpath.net>, Chris writes >Talking of lines, I've discovered how to draw 'non-existant' vertical >ones which render onscreen until something passes over them (F12, >RETURN restores them), but can't be selected and don't print: Draw a >very-nearly vertical line, then use 'Modify line' to change its width >to 0. Weird! Two standard points, you can use select all, or draw out a selection box (control+shift+select drag) that should select anything. Lines with thickness "Thin" render at one pixel width, visible on screen, invisible on good printers. In serious publishing, no line should be set to "Thin". There are some oddities with lines which come from maths, zero times something is always zero, if you create a vertical line you'll never be able to get it to any other angle by dragging it selection handles. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 12 17:52:24 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LMQm1-24H000-03-H0o.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:52:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LMQm1-24H000-03-H0o; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:40:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LMQm1-24H000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:40:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LMQm0-00077t-Q8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:40:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 260AFB630AD; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01344-06; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3FB3B6302F; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:39:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26F19B62FF1 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01135-08 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C75C8B62BE8 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [88.97.42.81] (helo=chris.cornant) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LMQlM-0005XJ-LL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:39:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:41:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Underlines in OvPro Message-ID: <501c97ba30chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <7WYUsYG9n3aJFwYs@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <501c8630bachris@highpath.net> <501c8fd1b8chris@highpath.net> <7WYUsYG9n3aJFwYs@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [88.97.42.81] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1269 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHS3EWmMOC8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wtrsW_1D0s_2FlUziqcA:9 a=hKbEosLostj7I-oJ_E0A:7 a=UHHDaSCV_KmhxFNhNO5_MGC2ni0A:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.5/1886] David Pilling wrote: > Chris > writes > >Talking of lines, I've discovered how to draw 'non-existant' vertical > >ones which render onscreen until something passes over them (F12, > >RETURN restores them), but can't be selected and don't print: Draw a > >very-nearly vertical line, then use 'Modify line' to change its width > >to 0. Weird! > Two standard points, you can use select all, or draw out a selection > box (control+shift+select drag) that should select anything. No, neither works. Example file being sent by private email. Chris. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 12 18:37:26 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LMRU7-0RJknw-01-GIi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:37:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LMRU7-0RJknw-01-GIi; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:25:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LMRU7-0RJknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:25:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LMRU2-0003QJ-00 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:25:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4AFBB6379C; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12292-06; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B8EEB637E6; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:25:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49A5FB6379C for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12158-01 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CE23B63D36 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LMRTN-0005mX-au for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:25:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:23:51 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Underlines in OvPro References: <501c8630bachris@highpath.net> <501c8fd1b8chris@highpath.net> <7WYUsYG9n3aJFwYs@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501c97ba30chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <501c97ba30chris@highpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1270 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHS3EWmMOC8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=q-PNJpjPhvNIjerQGxoA:7 a=jXzAPJsnSyTwIrI6K2RAIfAZrokA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=O9cqpf0Cte6CtBCk:21 a=XUKJTQ9_plstwx4d:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.5/1886] In message <501c97ba30chris@highpath.net>, Chris writes >No, neither works. Example file being sent by private email. Thanks. The problem is that when the line is selected it does appear to be selected. I used select all, deselected the other items in your example, look at the edit menu to check that something is selected, then delete. I think it is just a case of you set the width to zero and then zero times anything is zero. Objects always have a transformation associated with them, I fiddled things when objects are created so that if you create a vertical line a diagonal line is created with a transform that makes it vertical. However I know that I didn't get things right, in every situation, there was never time. A maths teacher once pointed out problems like this to me, and I said "Acorn Draw goes wrong the same way", he said that was no excuse... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 12 19:52:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LMShW-321Vbs-01-F5J.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:52:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LMShW-321Vbs-01-F5J; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:43:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LMShW-321Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:43:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LMShR-0003Al-R9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:43:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A554B643E3; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:43:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01512-06; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:43:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADFDAB64481; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:43:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1D13B643E3 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01213-06 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from eir.is.scarlet.be (eir.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.27]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 276CAB64428 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:43:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbes (ip-81-11-189-14.dsl.scarlet.be [81.11.189.14]) by eir.is.scarlet.be (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0CJh4D6023655 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:43:06 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:42:26 +0100 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <79cba21c50.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: eir 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1271 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7mELct32FYNU2S0oFHsA:9 a=A2VDGjijA_p0uxLujdEA:7 a=2M37I_2C56sPp1o7VSpv8jEBwzkA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.5/1886] In message <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > There's a case to be made for filling all allocated memory with zero, > this hides bugs like the above or at least gives consistent results - > Windows does it for security reasons [...] I don't think this is true. You might think that's being the case when running programs in debug mode but that's not happening in release mode. John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 12 19:52:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LMSiG-465Vbs-02-F4Z.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:52:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LMSiG-465Vbs-02-F4Z; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:44:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LMSiG-465Vbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:44:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LMSi9-0005hi-Ui for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:44:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47EDCB6449B; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01729-02-27; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0EFFB64492; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F6B4B64488 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01563-07 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.140]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E939B64464 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [88.97.42.81] (helo=chris.cornant) by smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LMShU-0004rS-Px for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:43:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:46:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Underlines in OvPro Message-ID: <501ca32025chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: References: <501c8630bachris@highpath.net> <501c8fd1b8chris@highpath.net> <7WYUsYG9n3aJFwYs@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501c97ba30chris@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-Smarthost01-IP: [88.97.42.81] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1272 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHS3EWmMOC8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lQkeLoolAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=g4McEFCgbeOQa-SxHuwA:9 a=6Pk2b3SyIFeWcDfNSNcA:7 a=HqfKmrOmUroiYrH37GOGFcYfRxUA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=NLyHiSE63hMBqCos:21 a=1F0_J5wgokcMUqeP:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.5/1886] David Pilling wrote: > Chris > writes > >No, neither works. Example file being sent by private email. > Thanks. The problem is that when the line is selected it does appear > to be selected. I used select all, deselected the other items in > your example, look at the edit menu to check that something is > selected, then delete. > I think it is just a case of you set the width to zero and then zero > times anything is zero. Yet the 'snapped' line, whose thickness is also 0.1mm and whose width is also zero, behaves itself. > Objects always have a transformation associated with them, I fiddled > things when objects are created so that if you create a vertical line > a diagonal line is created with a transform that makes it vertical. So the difference is something internal, unseen by the user - the 'modify line' dbox looks identical for both lines. 2 problems remain, though - only one of the otherwise identical (0.1mm thick) lines prints, and only one of them renders correctly onscreen. Users beware! > However I know that I didn't get things right, in every situation, > there was never time. Nevertheless, you did an absolutely amazing job, David - thank you! Chris. -- --------------------------------------------- Chris Bell, Wales, UK chris@highpath.net www.highpath.net --------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 12 21:07:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LMTr0-2iO000-04-Dvp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:07:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LMTr0-2iO000-04-Dvp; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:57:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LMTr0-2iO000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:57:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LMTqy-0005ab-TS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:57:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8C461BECD6; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20188-05-5; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 308C972D225; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:57:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDD3BB64831 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19945-06 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06F96B64856 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LMTqL-0002TR-g2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:57:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:56:02 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <79cba21c50.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> In-Reply-To: <79cba21c50.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1273 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lPGZZsec-pTl0Ga7cdIA:9 a=uIVV8pPBBTtINVMQPtAA:7 a=ISFgyEcMIStqjdHX2BsfA3f3p4oA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=1HbVIotVJSM6SJ9G:21 a=NtpV3qHYtZ6DXN2y:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.5/1886] In message <79cba21c50.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com>, John Tytgat writes >In message <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >> There's a case to be made for filling all allocated memory with zero, >> this hides bugs like the above or at least gives consistent results - >> Windows does it for security reasons [...] > >I don't think this is true. You might think that's being the case when >running programs in debug mode but that's not happening in release mode. What is not true? Windows won't give your process new memory full of random data from another process because it is a security hazard. I may well be wrong in the sense that malloc() the C language allocator can hand me memory I've used before and contains random data. But that's an issue internal to my program. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 12 22:22:33 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LMV6I-0qPVbs-04-CgX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:22:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LMV6I-0qPVbs-04-CgX; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:17:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LMV6I-0qPVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:17:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LMV6B-0001yM-KA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:17:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86FE6B6587F; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:25:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27880-01; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:25:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFD6DB6586E; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:25:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1232B657FA for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27645-08 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from eir.is.scarlet.be (eir.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.27]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45A41B657FB for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:25:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbes (ip-81-11-189-14.dsl.scarlet.be [81.11.189.14]) by eir.is.scarlet.be (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0CLP2U0017183 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:25:02 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:24:35 +0100 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <79cba21c50.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: eir 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1275 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=n05va4osHCKFnp0Gs5YA:9 a=DTGPjFwW2zqDVS3V2rwA:7 a=Wc3_QqI6QLk40L87ycMDMvsexdMA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=A1-C3lXnJATBcQ5H:21 a=GRtnHfJijpfvs1GN:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.5/1886] In message you wrote: > In message <79cba21c50.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com>, John Tytgat > writes > >In message <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > >> There's a case to be made for filling all allocated memory with zero, > >> this hides bugs like the above or at least gives consistent results - > >> Windows does it for security reasons [...] > > > >I don't think this is true. You might think that's being the case when > >running programs in debug mode but that's not happening in release mode. > > What is not true? > > Windows won't give your process new memory full of random data from > another process because it is a security hazard. That might be true, but when you allocate memory you don't know whether it is memory freshly allocated from another process to your process, or wheter you're reusing memory pages you've deallocated before or a combination. > I may well be wrong in the sense that malloc() the C language allocator > can hand me memory I've used before and contains random data. But that's > an issue internal to my program. Sure, but are you know implying that you don't use standard C memory allocation routines and directly use Window memory management in Ovation Pro on Windows ? Otherwise, this feels like a moot point. And even then, the prefilled new process memory pages can contain any value, even pseudo random data, that shouldn't be any security problem (as long it doesn't reveal information from other program running). John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jan 12 22:22:34 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LMV6V-0ZFVbs-01-CgK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:22:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LMV6V-0ZFVbs-01-CgK; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:17:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LMV6V-0ZFVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:17:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LMV6E-0005je-IN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:17:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21480B657F3; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27809-08-5; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA60CB6586E; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:25:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CDD2B657F3 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27654-04 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 608E4B6545B for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LMUH7-0005bt-eI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:24:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:23:21 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Underlines in OvPro References: <501c8630bachris@highpath.net> <501c8fd1b8chris@highpath.net> <7WYUsYG9n3aJFwYs@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501c97ba30chris@highpath.net> <501ca32025chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <501ca32025chris@highpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1274 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=AHS3EWmMOC8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=JaQ3mPLfgTCqe8DBoS0A:9 a=T7DY93Rfd5RzUTPovkkA:7 a=388QjWEapF0VVNpjuEkeYcSpZzQA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=uCkfN06DXYGBJCyt:21 a=l42h5S41YPyeo4ow:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.5/1886] In message <501ca32025chris@highpath.net>, Chris writes >Yet the 'snapped' line, whose thickness is also 0.1mm and whose width >is also zero, behaves itself. >So the difference is something internal, unseen by the user - the >'modify line' dbox looks identical for both lines. Yes you're right it is a case of things looking the same (which leaves room for them not actually being the same at the 1/72000'ths of an inch accuracy OP works at) but having got to that identical state by different routes. You could get vertical lines by drawing one at 45 degrees and then rotating it, and starting at many angles. Those lines would look the same, but internally they would be different initial lines stored with different transforms. I'm revealing how OP works internally, objects with transforms, a decision taken before the program was written, it works reasonably well, but there are catches. No doubt there would be different problems with the other ways of organising things. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jan 13 11:42:17 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LMX3h-2Qv000-04-Aj8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:42:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LMX3h-2Qv000-04-Aj8; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:23:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LMX3h-2Qv000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:23:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LMX3f-0006Lo-UY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:23:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1909CB6A172; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:23:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05000-02; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80095B6A192; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:23:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:22:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42349B6A167 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04714-04 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (mail.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1626B6A14B for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2CDDBB31 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:22:25 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7q3i3ZvfgX2w for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:14:04 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6D3DBC02 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:22:24 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:22:41 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1276 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: asgard@inspire.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=acHWA_UkdXhpAleG-P8A:9 a=Frc83ZSnV0qYDEafxI8A:7 a=hZmn8hy9WN-i2749vwOiHR29xFgA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=YXKFEgUOoYlnv_dR:21 a=t2I8zdGJZukY6fBv:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.6/1888] In article <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz>, Keith Hopper > writes > > Shredded Wheat! > I think I've sorted the problem now. It seems a very complicated > situation, Artworks images being rendered in irregular frames. But the > actual bug is rather simple. > I create a sprite and I don't initialise all the parameters. [snip] I knew there was a reason why I write code generators to use 1010101010101010 patterns when new storage is created for a program - wonderfully effective for throwing up bugs in code! Seriously! I am pleased to 'hear' you have tracked it down. I was going to offer a map of Australia in an irregular frame as a second choice! I don't often use irregular frames for drawings - I think this is the first document I have used one in for four or five years - maybe that's why it never cropped up before. I did actually hear you yell 'Eureka' yesterday! As ever, my thanks for your hard work. Keith -- Inspired! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 14 22:18:36 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNDtI-0VGVbs-06-AW7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:18:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNDtI-0VGVbs-06-AW7; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:07:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNDtI-0VGVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:07:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNDt8-0002nx-5N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:07:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3CCEB7DE12; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09608-06; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F08BB7F4EB; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:27:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5981B7DE12 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09488-04 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08E42B7D77F for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:27:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LNDG4-0002sx-en for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:26:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:25:12 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1277 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7AMTqcjW0I5Bs-1swWYA:9 a=Dv_Wu3TuP7YvHpr7E6MA:7 a=F-m0DQueIB01AEAOCIzt3glf-fEA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=XJIWvZK-Y-Cl-Gxw:21 a=x-JJDbN70izGkXjI:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.7/1893] In message <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz>, Keith Hopper writes >document I have used one in for four or five years - maybe that's why it >never cropped up before. For you maybe but why not for others. I've now fixed the bug and produced a new version, as part of doing that I have found the bug appeared in version 2.76, December 2005. The new version is on my Iyonix, all I have to do is transfer it to this PC so I can upload it to the website. Funny thing is that I can't - every attempt at copying on the Iyonix results in "Error from server". All I can think of is that there was a Windows update today. If anyone has any ideas, please let me know. I've swopped files for years using Omniclient with no problems, and aside from the Windows update I've changed nothing. Meanwhile, furious with Windows, that's it for today. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 11:52:26 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNETV-4X3knw-02-9vu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:52:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNETV-4X3knw-02-9vu; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:44:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNETV-4X3knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:44:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNETK-0002g9-3s for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:44:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70B02B7F1FF; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:36:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18534-06; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:36:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1C60B7CD30; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:36:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:36:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90274B80A2B for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:36:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18345-10 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:36:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (mail.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 590F5B7D5F2 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:36:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D851FDBFC6 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:36:02 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aVt6hmKKSHxA for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:27:39 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52067DBE97 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:36:01 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:36:20 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <501dba6358asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1278 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: asgard@inspire.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OFt1qwqlE0gNijDO0vcA:9 a=yfgkZPSRHrtkE-kwJHMA:7 a=6lyzp5VCjs9iBZVNGFGBzbWOgrUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=B3a6Vzp2YDhLT_Pf:21 a=6ZS6ZRI3rAcyONBr:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.7/1893] In article , David Pilling wrote: [snip] > The new version is on my Iyonix, all I have to do is transfer it to this > PC so I can upload it to the website. > Funny thing is that I can't - every attempt at copying on the Iyonix > results in "Error from server". All I can think of is that there was a > Windows update today. Not having a 'Windows' box I can't help here - but I do wish to publicly state my support for your never failing help and courtesy. I look forward to being able to get the fixed version. Thanks!! Keith -- Inspired! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 11:52:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNGOD-4elknw-08-GXi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:52:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNGOD-4elknw-08-GXi; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:47:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNGOD-4elknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:47:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNGOC-0002MZ-Vb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:47:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 707D1B7CC67; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02823-03; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00388B79D90; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:46:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13282B7CC67 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02747-04 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pluto.adsl24.co.uk (pluto.adsl24.co.uk [84.234.17.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC230B7CAEE for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:46:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [78.32.69.229] (helo=Iyonix) by pluto.adsl24.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LNGMw-0003Jp-Sr for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:45:58 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:46:27 GMT Message-ID: <094dc61d50.Brian@bhowlett.adsl24.co.uk> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Terry Wogan Home for the Bewildered User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - pluto.adsl24.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - brianhowlett.me.uk X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1279 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NL6gqX_X88Hr4cJFVYAA:9 a=CYR8j6KPhUKDKs7WiLoA:7 a=spRNMNRF4Xmzs6EyjljSzu16elMA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.7/1893] On 14 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > Funny thing is that I can't - every attempt at copying on the Iyonix > results in "Error from server". All I can think of is that there was a > Windows update today. FWIW, I have just checked networking from Iyonix to Win XP Pro using LanMan98 version 2. I successfully copied a couple of small files, and a 698MB ISO image to Windows with no problems. I did get the Windows update (checks time) yesterday. -- Brian Howlett --------------------------------------------- "What's the matter Colonel Sanders? Chicken?" To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 11:52:32 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNLU6-06Hknw-02-BRp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:52:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNLU6-06Hknw-02-BRp; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:13:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNLU6-06Hknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:13:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNLU5-0005JU-L4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:13:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11DC7B7FDB3; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14090-06; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:13:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97ADBB83FDC; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:13:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:13:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8872B84020 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13988-01 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8EA1B7FD3F for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:12:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6701 invoked by uid 89); 15 Jan 2009 06:12:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 15 Jan 2009 06:12:30 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:11:21 +0800 Message-ID: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1280 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Z0nWG1hx4x6LK1p1MPwA:9 a=S8i8Brd9a1yvy73vI7YA:7 a=VxJ8_vbjMNdmeflYT-KXvv7QmCoA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=DrK1Me6LBMBLvffo:21 a=8CaG28fikQ2R6q88:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.7/1893] In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz>, Keith Hopper > writes SNIP > The new version is on my Iyonix, all I have to do is transfer it to this > PC so I can upload it to the website. > Funny thing is that I can't - every attempt at copying on the Iyonix > results in "Error from server". All I can think of is that there was a > Windows update today. Well thank goodness for that. I've been driven mad by the same problem and thought I had done something to the XP machine. Hope someone works out how to 'fix' the Micro$oft problem so I can get back to saving to my large HD. In fact I'm awaiting a new 750Gb HD to go into a Windoze box - won't be much use if I can't save files to it. > If anyone has any ideas, please let me know. I've swopped files for > years using Omniclient with no problems, and aside from the Windows > update I've changed nothing. > Meanwhile, furious with Windows, that's it for today. ME TOO! -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 11:52:36 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNMkG-4O1Vbs-06-ABf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:52:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNMkG-4O1Vbs-06-ABf; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:34:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNMkG-4O1Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:34:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNMkC-0002WL-41 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:34:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7CD11B84200; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21654-10; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4583B84197; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:34:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:33:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32545B84200 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21506-10 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D34D3B841F9 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-207-128.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.207.128]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0F7Xg5J006514 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:33:43 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:31:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <501deb647ddave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1281 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=UazyPlxQiYOJAemKDbYA:9 a=01zfSBfCT2hAG1LC6nAA:7 a=xUjzQ9SHcobyyY8E0fGbNRdy8vQA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=kgjA6QwGN1jPjIJH:21 a=E9M6r3XJ6VdGUw-m:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.7/1893] In article , David Pilling wrote: [Snippy] > Funny thing is that I can't - every attempt at copying on the Iyonix > results in "Error from server". All I can think of is that there was a > Windows update today. > If anyone has any ideas, please let me know. I've swopped files for > years using Omniclient with no problems, and aside from the Windows > update I've changed nothing. > Meanwhile, furious with Windows, that's it for today. Here, there were two Win XP updates on the 14th. Security Update for Windows XP (KB958687). And... Malicious Software removal tool update for Jan 2009 (KB90830) On the 13th. There was also a Security Update for Windows XP (KB9951748). Those updates were accepted and installed here, and all my networking facilities, including LAN by LanMan98 v2 seem to be working okay. Granted not with an Iyo but a SARPC and a Win XP PC. Don't forget some (Not all) updates can be uninstalled from Control Panel-Add/Remove programs. Have you set any recent Restore points you could go back to? Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 13:22:12 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNRzC-34Hknw-03-DTF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:22:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNRzC-34Hknw-03-DTF; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:10:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNRzC-34Hknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:10:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNRz5-0007lw-ID for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:10:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4EA45B7DA42; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20618-10; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA69CB7D9F4; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:09:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A736EB84142 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20552-05 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpsmtpo-eml03.kpnxchange.com (cpsmtpo-eml03.KPNXCHANGE.COM [213.75.38.152]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D28BFB7C16C for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from cpsmtp-eml111.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.111]) by cpsmtpo-eml03.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:09:15 +0100 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([81.204.75.73]) by cpsmtp-eml111.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:09:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:09:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <501e0a4c51Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2009 13:09:14.0573 (UTC) FILETIME=[76F627D0:01C97712] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1282 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OFt1qwqlE0gNijDO0vcA:9 a=voEUe9Qkc5Z1HRfzKY0A:7 a=iXF-wWQyVjeBPeFGtZSLO3FpQrQA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=Pr7e8LuAP0U-KgL8:21 a=Nbne9UTUCSNxSz7r:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.7/1893] In article , David Pilling wrote: > Funny thing is that I can't - every attempt at copying on the Iyonix > results in "Error from server". All I can think of is that there was a > Windows update today. Perhaps, Microsoft has improved the XP-networking to the level of Vista. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 14:07:16 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNSnl-08aknw-08-Ceg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:07:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNSnl-08aknw-08-Ceg; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:02:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNSnl-08aknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:02:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNSnd-0004eG-9B for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:02:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95643B8434F; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25536-04; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BE50B84387; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:55:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7FFAB8434F for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:55:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25409-08 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:55:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out.teleos-web.net (smtp-out.teleos-web.net [80.66.1.204]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C406B8429E for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (mailfw2-int.teleos-web.net [80.66.1.233]) by smtp.teleos-web.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774C51F025B for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:54:44 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at teleos-web.net Received: from smtp.teleos-web.net ([80.66.1.229]) by localhost (mailfw2.teleos-web.net [80.66.1.233]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id BmC3Mvbah5pX for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:54:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from ucs.de (static-87-245-45-250.teleos-web.de [87.245.45.250]) by smtp.teleos-web.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:54:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from martinv by ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 3.01beta5) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 15 Jan 2009 14:57:13 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:57:06 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (RemoteNB/3.01beta5) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1283 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=0nVakUPdAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dF05YG0L_A49_0E7pjIA:9 a=0mhMLxdEblAHyI9_4ekA:7 a=BSxiVkLvRgQQW8WaVfLkP4v2QasA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=W0z3mPXKZ6YA:10 a=dt4d_QGGrpwjyEjb:21 a=k6MRVUBzXYNCBvwo:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.7/1893] In message Ross McGuinness wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > > In message <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz>, Keith Hopper > > writes > SNIP > > > The new version is on my Iyonix, all I have to do is transfer it to this > > PC so I can upload it to the website. > > > Funny thing is that I can't - every attempt at copying on the Iyonix > > results in "Error from server". All I can think of is that there was a > > Windows update today. > > Well thank goodness for that. I've been driven mad by the same problem > and thought I had done something to the XP machine. Hope someone works > out how to 'fix' the Micro$oft problem so I can get back to saving to > my large HD. In fact I'm awaiting a new 750Gb HD to go into a Windoze > box - won't be much use if I can't save files to it. > Some years ago I resorted to using FTP because of all the fuss about SMB. Cerberus FTP server on the PC and !FTPc on the Acorn. Far less configuration work. No printing though. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen Inhaber: Kai Uffenkamp USt.-ID-Nr. DE 125 408 721 email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 15:07:16 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNTdP-0ns000-04-Bp2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:07:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNTdP-0ns000-04-Bp2; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:55:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNTdP-0ns000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:55:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNTdI-0005nT-2J for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:55:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35DA7B84B0F; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32672-06; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9D5BB84C05; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:52:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:51:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C273B84B0F for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:51:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32523-08 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:51:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2344DB79AE5 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6153 invoked by uid 89); 15 Jan 2009 14:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 15 Jan 2009 14:50:54 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:49:49 +0800 Message-ID: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1284 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=1QB9itQ2h1H21vPxlykA:9 a=Sud9UrNOOWaFWSOjmBkA:7 a=LvX4uRHJPBnVC44L3zMzBb1f1ZQA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=AoZicNryDewKowZw:21 a=2MPABTjnyUfeFpQ6:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.229 [270.10.7/1893] In message <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> Martin Vethake wrote: > In message > Ross McGuinness wrote: >> In message >> David Pilling wrote: >> >>> In message <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz>, Keith Hopper >>> writes >> SNIP >> >>> The new version is on my Iyonix, all I have to do is transfer it to this >>> PC so I can upload it to the website. >> >>> Funny thing is that I can't - every attempt at copying on the Iyonix >>> results in "Error from server". All I can think of is that there was a >>> Windows update today. >> >> Well thank goodness for that. I've been driven mad by the same problem >> and thought I had done something to the XP machine. Hope someone works >> out how to 'fix' the Micro$oft problem so I can get back to saving to >> my large HD. In fact I'm awaiting a new 750Gb HD to go into a Windoze >> box - won't be much use if I can't save files to it. >> > Some years ago I resorted to using FTP because of all the fuss about SMB. > Cerberus FTP server on the PC and !FTPc on the Acorn. Far less > configuration work. No printing though. Resorted to restoring the configuration to what it had been Tuesday and I can now access the large HD again. Hooray! > Regards -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 17:40:26 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNUmb-0Ux000-02-Afq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:40:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNUmb-0Ux000-02-Afq; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:09:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNUmb-0Ux000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:09:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNUmV-0003iF-Oc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:09:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9622BB847BA; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:09:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10175-06; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:09:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2409AB45F61; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:09:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:08:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D63D5B847F7 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:08:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09987-07 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:08:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 994AFB847D9 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:08:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LNUll-0003XL-ds for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:08:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:06:56 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1285 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ExdP0MJMMXcRjL-1O4gA:9 a=FnII-Qv5ItsdQz_2T-sA:7 a=vvK88XSyVGyzwZhLPGWn8tDGHtYA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=ncdizGBcLpGTLF48:21 a=O2YyuE5lKilz6wRE:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] Hi, Thanks for all the support messages. I did system restore on my XP PC, and then networking worked again. Version 2.77 of Ovation Pro for RISC OS 14th. January 2009 is available from: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip This fixes Keith's bug with rendering graphics in irregular frames. Meanwhile presumably I am now betwixt the devil and the deep blue sea, can't use the network if I upgrade Windows and open to virus's or whatever if I don't. Almost as soon as I had got the file from RISC OS, Windows told me it was ready to install an upgrade - presumably the same one as yesterday. Amusingly it is insisting on installing the updates, seemingly if I leave the computer for 5 minutes it will install them automatically - I may be sat here for sometime. I can tell you another tale. I have a "new" PC which has Vista on and which I don't use. A couple of weeks back I turned it on for the first time in nine months, naturally I didn't think it was safe without getting the upgrades. After a merry session of "can't upgrade without upgrading Windows upgrade" and "can't upgrade Windows upgrade" Windows installed about 40 upgrades, my PC then would not boot. I try repair from the CD, no good. I used system restore from the CD and it worked again. Naturally, or idiotically I tried the upgrade again, same result, but this time there is no restore point - ** lesson, always create a restore point. ** I have to re-install Windows, not much hardship on that PC. I then install the upgrades a few at a time. At the moment I believe the trouble is called by NVidia's upgrade for their RAID drivers. I think we're at the point where "My PC" is no longer my PC. It is being taken over by others. Hardly a day goes by without Apple trying to install iTunes on it. If I let it then every time I insert a blank CD they try to sell me music. I might have bought an Apple but if this is how they are... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 17:40:28 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNUyU-0t6Vbs-08-ATx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:40:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNUyU-0t6Vbs-08-ATx; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:21:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNUyU-0t6Vbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:21:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNUyI-0005gn-6l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:21:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 863B9B845F7; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11501-06; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 096F9B84887; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:20:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4CF52B845F7 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11393-02 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FE53B84A24 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so887023uge.11 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.232.10 with SMTP id e10mr3316411ugh.70.1232036411563; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:20:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5acadc2d.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j34sm1181766ugc.40.2009.01.15.08.20.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:20:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:20:08 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors From: Clive Bonsall Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1286 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xaVhaFLSdOA_pxaIWkkA:9 a=UZv8zbF32ypLIF_Ek_4A:7 a=DugeMJUGdyH8_H9QxyCZMNCx3toA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:06:56 -0000, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for all the support messages. I did system restore on my XP PC, > and then networking worked again. > > Version 2.77 of Ovation Pro for RISC OS 14th. January 2009 is available > from: > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip > This fixes Keith's bug with rendering graphics in irregular frames. > > I think we're at the point where "My PC" is no longer my PC. It is being > taken over by others. Hardly a day goes by without Apple trying to > install iTunes on it. If I let it then every time I insert a blank CD > they try to sell me music. > > I might have bought an Apple but if this is how they are... Funny you should mention that. After I bought a Mac, they stopped trying to sell me things. Perhaps there's a hidden message there. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 17:40:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNVIO-40WVbs-08-AA3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:40:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNVIO-40WVbs-08-AA3; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:42:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNVIO-40WVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:42:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNVIO-0000Ed-GN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:42:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2916B754D6; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:42:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14772-05; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:42:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F3D9B80D5C; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:42:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:41:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 794DDB81327 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:41:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14661-09 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:41:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0433B81267 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:41:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-209-97.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.209.97]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0FGfT6g014133 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:41:31 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] =?iso-8859-1?q?Windows_update_(OT_for_list).=A0Was:__OvnPro_2.77_type_5_errors?= To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:38:11 GMT Message-ID: <096f1d1e50.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1287 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=14quU782yMUA:10 a=k7TKjvitmSQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=e-ilQbBQ-1EK5KfqeI4A:9 a=MphjpaawxIWTabuL_J0A:7 a=baVykceaYUbddTwYHbB7zP32cMoA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=f6pshs6YwfI7OuNw:21 a=XA-gPylc2OJXD_SB:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] On 15 Jan 2009 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, [snip new version of OPro; thanks] > Meanwhile presumably I am now betwixt the devil and the deep blue sea, > can't use the network if I upgrade Windows and open to virus's or > whatever if I don't. Almost as soon as I had got the file from RISC OS, > Windows told me it was ready to install an upgrade - presumably the same > one as yesterday. Amusingly it is insisting on installing the updates, > seemingly if I leave the computer for 5 minutes it will install them > automatically - I may be sat here for sometime. FWIW, my Windows machines have been updated with anything offered by the upgrade program, and so far at any rate I can communicate with (at least one of) them using the new version of LanMan98. I was worried after I saw David's problem, but am a bit less worried now. . With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 18:10:27 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNWSy-0Mmknw-07-8zT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:10:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNWSy-0Mmknw-07-8zT; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:57:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNWSy-0Mmknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:57:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNWSy-00051m-7i for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:57:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C1CBB83F13; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25056-08; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2812BB83ECC; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:56:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3291CB83F13 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25011-09 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECE21B83EF5 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LNWSN-0007Ai-i3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:56:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:55:01 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?=5Bsoftwarelist=5D_Windows_update_=28OT_for_list=29=2E=A0W?= =?iso-8859-1?q?as=3A__OvnPro_2=2E77_type_5_errors?= References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <096f1d1e50.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <096f1d1e50.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1288 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=auxM6mSbof8A:10 a=GiDcVUvfKLQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tSDKrrIipxscMGQiQXYA:9 a=fmUIfRJPeWRW5FLmtK4A:7 a=CZp_wd40ZHWeM9uwmN1D2rAcCjQA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=qmO6FImOCLBK7J7z:21 a=EuP-8TNSWaxg7mu_:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] In message <096f1d1e50.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young writes >FWIW, my Windows machines have been updated with anything offered by >the upgrade program, and so far at any rate I can communicate with (at >least one of) them using the new version of LanMan98. I was worried Like one of those movies where zombiefication befalls anyone who goes to sleep, the lure of afternoon tea proved too strong and I left my PC alone. Returning I was greeted with the triumphant announcement "Windows updated your computer!". I know this is true because copying files from RISC OS has stopped working again. What would be interesting is if the version of Lanman has anything to do with this, I've not updated my Iyonix for a long time. Currently it shows me Lanman version 2.30, 16th. Feb 2004. Incidentally, I tried my RISC PC earlier today, and that had stopped working too. Perhaps Drobe could do the story "Crisis for Microsoft as network problems cut Windows off". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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([195.137.110.177]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 15 Jan 2009 18:11:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:08:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1289 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: briancarroll@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=eo3I8ZtjKG4STpTa0uMA:9 a=oSP2UVSWesxf9w-O3BMA:7 a=W2bZaJSI94QztNdtI-E8sTa4dsAA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=sYVoSrJG9McB6Ho7:21 a=th8-Q_E3JiV9DL1r:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Thanks for all the support messages. I did system restore on > my XP PC, and then networking worked again. > Version 2.77 of Ovation Pro for RISC OS 14th. January 2009 is > available from: > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip This > fixes Keith's bug with rendering graphics in irregular frames. > Meanwhile presumably I am now betwixt the devil and the deep > blue sea, can't use the network if I upgrade Windows and open > to virus's or whatever if I don't. Almost as soon as I had > got the file from RISC OS, Windows told me it was ready to > install an upgrade - presumably the same one as yesterday. > Amusingly it is insisting on installing the updates, > seemingly if I leave the computer for 5 minutes it will > install them automatically - I may be sat here for sometime. No you won't :-) I think the sequence for escape is: Choose custom install Untick the 'offending' update Tick the don't show this message again or something like that. I have a series of updates for Word 2003 because something or other in it is broken and resort to the above from time to time. Incidentally, I got the same updates Dave Symes specified but have had no problems with WindowsXP <-> RISC OS 4.39 via LanMan98 v2.0 . Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, N Yorks, UK briancarroll at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 18:40:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNX4p-0USVbs-07-Gu8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:40:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNX4p-0USVbs-07-Gu8; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:36:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNX4p-0USVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:36:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNX4o-0006Mf-QI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:36:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33FEBB847B6; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31233-04; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0300B84755; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:36:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:35:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1D16B847B6 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31168-02 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 771CEB84755 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:35:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LNX4E-0002Ee-dp for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:35:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:34:27 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1290 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=FF7ix5q4C7bpwTW0vX8A:7 a=WvHzMNkVgWI4Hlu3YoyzNIeCK6wA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=byyOPFytM6ELVoQi:21 a=He2ScAlIGvQnSMkH:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] In message <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com>, Brian Carroll writes > I think the sequence for escape is: > Choose custom install > Untick the 'offending' update I am familiar with that, it is what I have used on the Vista problem, but it would not offer it to me, any click produced a window which said "upgrade now" "upgrade later". I presume I should now change my update settings, roll back to before the update and then customise the update. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 19:10:29 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNXXc-1zpknw-02-GRL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:10:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNXXc-1zpknw-02-GRL; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:06:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNXXc-1zpknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:06:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNXXc-0002xn-G3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:06:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF67EB84827; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:06:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02296-07; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:06:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CC73B84791; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:06:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:05:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 425EAB847CA for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02178-02 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EAD21B84669 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-209-97.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.209.97]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0FJ5NnJ015980 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:05:26 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_[softwarelist]_Re:_[softwarelist]_Windows_update_(OT_for_list).=A0Was:__OvnPro_2.77_type_5_errors?= To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:05:13 GMT Message-ID: <59e52a1e50.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <096f1d1e50.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1291 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QLIPOjhiNqUA:10 a=qiCMHU4JBzsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=KhozNJmMAAAA:8 a=wZ8Vzw4yAAAA:8 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=6_5spIyQ-uP2glwYky4A:9 a=mpkD82tYuYApzLgWQaAA:7 a=JFNT-pglf_2GCkiKGX1gt5fYlPkA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=ozdPrrOgk0oJNz-l:21 a=swy1-FeJGjdPouyn:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] On 15 Jan 2009 David Pilling wrote: [snip] > What would be interesting is if the version of Lanman has anything to do > with this, I've not updated my Iyonix for a long time. Currently it > shows me Lanman version 2.30, 16th. Feb 2004. Mine is LanMan98 2.00 (05 Oct 2008), not plain LanMan, which I think is the one you have. As I remember, 2.00 is supposed to deal with Windows' misbehaviour rather better. Maybe try it? It's at http://www.wss.co.uk/products.html This seems to be the old version, the 2.0 is also at http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/micros/individual/newprodpages/prodinfo.php?prodcode= WSS-LAN98 but I think I bought the upgrade from WSS, though the site doesn't seem to mention this > Perhaps Drobe could do the story "Crisis for Microsoft as network > problems cut Windows off". ROTFL! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Tm \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 19:40:30 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNY18-41k000-01-Fxp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:40:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNY18-41k000-01-Fxp; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:36:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNY18-41k000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:36:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNY18-0002E3-3H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:36:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75808B84B8E; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06286-09; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0B14B84B99; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:36:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:36:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2DDFB84B73 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06027-03 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79312B84B2D for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk (88-202-210-166.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.210.166]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0FJZsdL016489 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:35:55 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:35:46 GMT Message-ID: <69b12d1e50.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1292 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=PdX6p7Q0be1SRZJBPHcA:9 a=__K97SRmS-prfbN5YJ4A:7 a=AU42xvCIm8BRyk-2t-GJX1Ahq9IA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=GmutnLWHFNLX1kcW:21 a=2LgCph0jQJjK_rN7:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com>, Brian Carroll > writes >> I think the sequence for escape is: >> Choose custom install >> Untick the 'offending' update > I am familiar with that, it is what I have used on the Vista problem, > but it would not offer it to me, any click produced a window which said > "upgrade now" "upgrade later". > I presume I should now change my update settings, roll back to before > the update and then customise the update. In that situation I would roll back to a working system, then change Automatic Update to "Download then bnotify me" instead of "Install automatically". Incidentally I think yesterday's patch forced the PC to reboot - did that happen to anyone else, or was I not paying attention? Alan -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 19:55:30 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNY8f-1Et000-08-FqI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:55:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNY8f-1Et000-08-FqI; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:44:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNY8f-1Et000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:44:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNY8e-0005Kr-EI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:44:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D5BDB84789; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07614-06; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0814B8461B; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:44:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:43:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E33FB84789 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:43:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07448-08 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:43:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5678B84786 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:43:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk (88-202-210-166.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.210.166]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0FJhaVl016564 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:43:36 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:43:38 GMT Message-ID: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1293 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=szTLvzulGqLmfy_2r44A:9 a=9JXpzyC91AJNMrkbnhgA:7 a=zIS77ieBMdbRIZoW1u8aDHpjRUgA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=NInteMY1R61wd5c9:21 a=l4E19ZxYXpumglI6:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Thanks for all the support messages. I did system restore on my XP PC, > and then networking worked again. > Version 2.77 of Ovation Pro for RISC OS 14th. January 2009 is available > from: > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip > This fixes Keith's bug with rendering graphics in irregular frames. > Meanwhile presumably I am now betwixt the devil and the deep blue sea, > can't use the network if I upgrade Windows and open to virus's or > whatever if I don't. Almost as soon as I had got the file from RISC OS, > Windows told me it was ready to install an upgrade - presumably the same > one as yesterday. Amusingly it is insisting on installing the updates, > seemingly if I leave the computer for 5 minutes it will install them > automatically - I may be sat here for sometime. On XP, and probably also on Vista, this message actually means "I have already installed the updates, and now I'm going to reboot." The only updates, until yesterday, which did that, seem to be .NET ones. The others politely wait until you shut down to do the work. > I can tell you another tale. I have a "new" PC which has Vista on and > which I don't use. A couple of weeks back I turned it on for the first > time in nine months, naturally I didn't think it was safe without > getting the upgrades. After a merry session of "can't upgrade without > upgrading Windows upgrade" and "can't upgrade Windows upgrade" Windows > installed about 40 upgrades, my PC then would not boot. I try repair > from the CD, no good. I used system restore from the CD and it worked > again. This afternoon, by coincodence, a teacher asked me to look at her laptop, which has Vista, and which the university staff had been looking after for her. There are 18 updates which fail to install. It goes through the shutdown routine of "installing updates", then on reboot goes through "configuring upfdates", then failsm, and rolls back. At the next shutdown it does it again. The temporary solution has been to turn off automatic updates. The enxt step is to turn Windows Update manually, and disable these 18 updates, usiong "don't show me this again". A quick search on Microsoft suggests this is quite a common problem... > Naturally, or idiotically I tried the upgrade again, same result, but > this time there is no restore point - ** lesson, always create a restore > point. ** I have to re-install Windows, not much hardship on that PC. I > then install the upgrades a few at a time. At the moment I believe the > trouble is called by NVidia's upgrade for their RAID drivers. > I think we're at the point where "My PC" is no longer my PC. It is being > taken over by others. Hardly a day goes by without Apple trying to > install iTunes on it. If I let it then every time I insert a blank CD > they try to sell me music. I always choose Quicktinme rather than Quicktime with iTunes, as I don't have any use for iTunes. It is possible to uninstasll iTunes. Perhaps more usefully, it is possible to turn off Apple Update, or configure which software it tries to update. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 19:55:30 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNYCR-1SCVbs-02-FmW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:55:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNYCR-1SCVbs-02-FmW; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:48:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNYCR-1SCVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:48:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNYCR-0007Fr-9h for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:48:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C42DCB84620; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07936-09; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AA07B845F6; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:47:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57CA4B84620 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:47:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07784-05 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:47:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B8D8B8460D for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk (88-202-210-166.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.210.166]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0FJlbDh016619 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:47:37 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_[softwarelist]_Re:_[softwarelist]_Windows_update_(OT_for_list).=A0Was:__OvnPro_2.77_type_5_errors?= To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 19:47:39 GMT Message-ID: <9ec72e1e50.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <096f1d1e50.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1294 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QLIPOjhiNqUA:10 a=qiCMHU4JBzsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=goRW7xJ8FM_-2beASloA:9 a=M4pp_FjcRTt06fqW3yMA:7 a=Henj-ZGqEuknSDyjIeNKgwkEOR0A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=vBe1XAWe1PAA:10 a=gZZ2GOxiiYT_f64Z:21 a=gNqw9e_UChNAOw63:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <096f1d1e50.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young > writes >>FWIW, my Windows machines have been updated with anything offered by >>the upgrade program, and so far at any rate I can communicate with (at >>least one of) them using the new version of LanMan98. I was worried > Like one of those movies where zombiefication befalls anyone who goes to > sleep, the lure of afternoon tea proved too strong and I left my PC > alone. Returning I was greeted with the triumphant announcement "Windows > updated your computer!". > I know this is true because copying files from RISC OS has stopped > working again. > What would be interesting is if the version of Lanman has anything to do > with this, I've not updated my Iyonix for a long time. Currently it > shows me Lanman version 2.30, 16th. Feb 2004. I'm using LanM Incidentally, I tried my RISC PC earlier today, and that had stopped > working too. > Perhaps Drobe could do the story "Crisis for Microsoft as network > problems cut Windows off". -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 20:10:34 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNYWK-3p8000-08-FSd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:10:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNYWK-3p8000-08-FSd; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:08:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNYWK-3p8000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:08:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNYWI-00014d-EU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:08:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FD97B84826; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10480-03; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0B20B84BC7; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:08:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:08:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 475EDB8498C for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:08:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10031-02 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:08:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.57]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEF23B8488F for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:08:11 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlYBAFIlb0l5LFT4/2dsb2JhbAAIz1eFcQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,272,1231075800"; d="scan'208";a="283636142" Received: from ppp121-44-84-248.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.84.248]) by ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2009 06:38:08 +1030 Message-ID: <496F97AF.5020700@internode.on.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:08:15 +1100 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows update (OT for list). Was: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <096f1d1e50.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1295 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fhaeo-4evWIA:10 a=RFYHoe7cbgYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=2wU0cVFgAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=AZGgcOTZ-cFf9h4SxhQA:9 a=QQWZBJoE4uDpH86EtW0A:7 a=Rkxhmk04jr_FVYL0VnQco7U93GMA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=hUyppOGI6mCRfdEr:21 a=apDm_OCbOgMdcRzm:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] David Pilling wrote: > In message <096f1d1e50.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young > writes >> FWIW, my Windows machines have been updated with anything offered by >> the upgrade program, and so far at any rate I can communicate with (at >> least one of) them using the new version of LanMan98. I was worried > > Like one of those movies where zombiefication befalls anyone who goes > to sleep, the lure of afternoon tea proved too strong and I left my PC > alone. Returning I was greeted with the triumphant announcement > "Windows updated your computer!". > > I know this is true because copying files from RISC OS has stopped > working again. > > What would be interesting is if the version of Lanman has anything to > do with this, I've not updated my Iyonix for a long time. Currently it > shows me Lanman version 2.30, 16th. Feb 2004. > > Incidentally, I tried my RISC PC earlier today, and that had stopped > working too. > > Perhaps Drobe could do the story "Crisis for Microsoft as network > problems cut Windows off". > > I do not have automatic updates set to install only to let me know if there are some available. At least that way I can install one patch at a time. I watch Woodies web site at http://askwoody.com/ to let me know when to do an install. Woody writes books on PC's mainly the Dummies type. There have been too many problems - as we have just seen on patches affecting PC's operation. Vista I think does an automatic restore point before any patches and may be every day as well. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 20:40:32 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNYz0-0bOknw-07-Ezx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:40:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNYz0-0bOknw-07-Ezx; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:38:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNYz0-0bOknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:38:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNYyx-0005H3-O9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:38:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 846DBB84C2F; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:37:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14736-05; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:37:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F787B84C8B; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:37:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:37:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 184BDB84C2F for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:37:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14614-08 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:37:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E279FB84C28 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk (88-202-210-166.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.210.166]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0FKamCe017282 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:36:50 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_[softwarelist]_Re:_[softwarelist]_Re:_[softwarelist]_Windows_update_(OT_for_list).=A0Was:__OvnPro_2.77_type_5_errors?= To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:36:41 GMT Message-ID: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <096f1d1e50.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <9ec72e1e50.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9ec72e1e50.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1297 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tknJcqQt-dQA:10 a=qiCMHU4JBzsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=UA_9OB35vZp3bQneE4kA:9 a=-f6x3JyqFl0sMo4XjHgA:7 a=cx-BSFDNtRk9Kq0jh7NY6-JN7EwA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=vBe1XAWe1PAA:10 a=k-wY5Zxmqo057UtF:21 a=V00B_fqh2run-noE:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] In message <9ec72e1e50.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <096f1d1e50.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young >> writes >>>FWIW, my Windows machines have been updated with anything offered by >>>the upgrade program, and so far at any rate I can communicate with (at= >>>least one of) them using the new version of LanMan98. I was worried >> Like one of those movies where zombiefication befalls anyone who goes = to >> sleep, the lure of afternoon tea proved too strong and I left my PC >> alone. Returning I was greeted with the triumphant announcement "Windo= ws >> updated your computer!". >> I know this is true because copying files from RISC OS has stopped >> working again. >> What would be interesting is if the version of Lanman has anything to = do >> with this, I've not updated my Iyonix for a long time. Currently it >> shows me Lanman version 2.30, 16th. Feb 2004. > I'm using LanM folder of Audio CD files, in WAV format. It locked up the filer action > window somewhere between 500M and 1G. The Windows update ran > yesterday. > I have the new version of LanMan98, but I need to reboot to turn off > the okld one, which is refusing to go away - "LanMan98 is in use". To continue: I set up LanMan98 V2.00 (05 Oct 2008), and tried again. It failed at 750MBytes transferred, just as the previous version did. I then removed the KB958687 Windows security patch, and tried again.=20 It failed at 380MBytes! (It might be because I was counting the=20 previous transfers over the link at the same time. I RMKilled the LanMan98 module, and quit the filer, then ran LanMan98=20 again. It timed out connecting. I rebooted the XP PC - NOT the Iyonix. After rmkilling and restarting=20 LanMan98, the connection works again. This suggests to me that the=20 timeout is caused by something going wrong on the PC end, not in=20 RISC=A0OS. >> Incidentally, I tried my RISC PC earlier today, and that had stopped >> working too. >> Perhaps Drobe could do the story "Crisis for Microsoft as network >> problems cut Windows off". --=20 Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 20:40:32 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNYz0-1wxVbs-04-Ezx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:40:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNYz0-1wxVbs-04-Ezx; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:38:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNYz0-1wxVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:38:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNYyx-0004RH-QX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:38:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E64EBB84BD3; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14716-04; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6968FB84C66; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:37:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41DD8B84BD3 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:37:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14538-09 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:37:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (mail.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 003CDB84B89 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:37:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA38FDBD20 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:36:54 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0X8YMkID-14M for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:28:30 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572D0DBA76 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:36:54 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:37:14 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <501e3351e9asgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1296 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: asgard@inspire.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sJ5qlR24iYv6EIi7SlsA:9 a=NlvT-nTajrS0inLO9XsA:7 a=7Ii64jESl2bR1F1BV_5inEb9aAcA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=VjAIrpkaWi8ZN9pf:21 a=nK7JMRUocnEum0L9:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] In article , David Pilling wrote: > Thanks for all the support messages. I did system restore on my XP PC, > and then networking worked again. > Version 2.77 of Ovation Pro for RISC OS 14th. January 2009 is available > from: > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip > This fixes Keith's bug with rendering graphics in irregular frames. [snip] I'll give the fixed version a good grilling over the next few days - and report back - as I have had a situation in which a document with absolutely no graphics gave a Type 5 error when 'flicking' it across the screen with my tracker ball. As I haven't managed to reproduce this (yet) I will let you know if the new version ever shows that problem! Once again, my thanks David. Keith -- Inspired! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 20:55:32 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNZ4I-2fiknw-08-Euf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:55:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNZ4I-2fiknw-08-Euf; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:43:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNZ4I-2fiknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:43:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNZ4D-0001aw-So for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:43:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A978BB8488F; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15513-08; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37619B848AD; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:43:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 741FCB8488F for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15326-05 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28B0EB84880 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (88-202-209-97.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.209.97]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0FKh9h3017352 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:43:09 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:36:17 GMT Message-ID: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> <69b12d1e50.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <69b12d1e50.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1298 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bqGy-cMF6jcIxUvoWtsA:9 a=3t29tbh0fbylu4VnIwsA:7 a=3nLhvfvgS1EDcrLbNDTCZX_S5f8A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=xNMqZZYPTqoyQgfO:21 a=_bjO2b-ZPfdq_Zjg:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] On 15 Jan 2009 Alan Adams wrote: [snip] > Incidentally I think yesterday's patch forced the PC to reboot - did > that happen to anyone else, or was I not paying attention? Today here, but I didn't have the Windows machine on yesterday. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter, \ / zfc Tm \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 21:25:38 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNZaw-0FjGPo-01-EO1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:25:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNZaw-0FjGPo-01-EO1; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:17:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNZaw-0FjGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:17:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNZar-00062W-SF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:17:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 488A0B84A5E; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19949-08; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3D1CB83992; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:17:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88C72B84A5E for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19872-09 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C4B2B8117D for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk (88-202-210-166.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.210.166]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0FLGrNQ017882 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:16:54 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_[softwarelist]_Re:_[softwarelist]_Re:_[softwarelist]_Re:_[softwarelist]_Windows_update_(OT_for_list).=A0Was:__OvnPro_2.77_type_5_errors?= To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:16:54 GMT Message-ID: <67f3361e50.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <096f1d1e50.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <9ec72e1e50.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1299 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wprgcG4fW0sA:10 a=qiCMHU4JBzsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ONxGft6o0BKjEGzoaiUA:9 a=whAuulJs2hQlvlklLcsA:7 a=Vp2TW5D93wkhDgttKYijvGCs87YA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=SUHk1J9p975_9sg6:21 a=ujwyVleENXaOoKHn:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] In message Alan Adams wrote: > In message <9ec72e1e50.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> > Alan Adams wrote: Apologies if following up my own followup to my own message upsets=20 you... The following is part of the info from Microsoft about the update=20 KB957687 which went out yesterday, and appears to be causing some=20 problems. =3D=3D=3D=3D This security update resolves two privately reported vulnerabilities=20 and one publicly disclosed vulnerability in Microsoft Server Message=20 Block (SMB) Protocol. The vulnerabilities could allow remote code=20 execution on affected systems. An attacker who successfully exploited=20 these vulnerabilities could install programs; view, change, or delete=20 data; or create new accounts with full user rights. Firewall best=20 practices and standard default firewall configurations can help=20 protect networks from attacks that originate outside the enterprise=20 perimeter. Best practices recommend that systems that are connected to=20 the Internet have a minimal number of ports exposed. This security update is rated Critical for all supported editions of=20 Microsoft Windows 2000, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003, and=20 Moderate for all supported editions of Windows Vista, and Windows=20 Server 2008. For more information, see the subsection, Affected and=20 Non-Affected Software, in this section. The security update addresses the vulnerabilities by validating the=20 fields inside the SMB packets. For more information about the=20 vulnerabilities, see the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) subsection=20 for the specific vulnerability entry under the next section,=20 Vulnerability Information. =3D=3D=3D=3D In other words, there are changes to the SMB server within Windows. I=20 would not be surprised therefore if it caused problems for non-Windows=20 systems emulating SMB. However my tests with and without the patch fail in exactly the same=20 way, just sooner without the patch than with it. Make of that what you will. >> In message >> David Pilling wrote: >>> In message <096f1d1e50.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young >>> writes >>>>FWIW, my Windows machines have been updated with anything offered by >>>>the upgrade program, and so far at any rate I can communicate with (a= t >>>>least one of) them using the new version of LanMan98. I was worried >>> Like one of those movies where zombiefication befalls anyone who goes= to >>> sleep, the lure of afternoon tea proved too strong and I left my PC >>> alone. Returning I was greeted with the triumphant announcement "Wind= ows >>> updated your computer!". >>> I know this is true because copying files from RISC OS has stopped >>> working again. >>> What would be interesting is if the version of Lanman has anything to= do >>> with this, I've not updated my Iyonix for a long time. Currently it >>> shows me Lanman version 2.30, 16th. Feb 2004. >> I'm using LanM> folder of Audio CD files, in WAV format. It locked up the filer action= >> window somewhere between 500M and 1G. The Windows update ran >> yesterday. >> I have the new version of LanMan98, but I need to reboot to turn off >> the okld one, which is refusing to go away - "LanMan98 is in use". > To continue: I set up LanMan98 V2.00 (05 Oct 2008), and tried again. > It failed at 750MBytes transferred, just as the previous version did. > I then removed the KB958687 Windows security patch, and tried again. > It failed at 380MBytes! (It might be because I was counting the > previous transfers over the link at the same time. > I RMKilled the LanMan98 module, and quit the filer, then ran LanMan98 > again. It timed out connecting. > I rebooted the XP PC - NOT the Iyonix. After rmkilling and restarting > LanMan98, the connection works again. This suggests to me that the > timeout is caused by something going wrong on the PC end, not in > RISC=A0OS. >>> Incidentally, I tried my RISC PC earlier today, and that had stopped >>> working too. >>> Perhaps Drobe could do the story "Crisis for Microsoft as network >>> problems cut Windows off". --=20 Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 21:40:34 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNZwN-0NIknw-02-E2a.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:40:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNZwN-0NIknw-02-E2a; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:39:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNZwN-0NIknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:39:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNZwM-0005gr-HX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:39:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 311D2B798F2; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22688-03; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BBACB73C6E; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:39:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C68AB837F9 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22206-08 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3365AB8494B for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:39:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-216-91.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.216.91]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0FLd3Qo018114 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:39:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:39:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] =?iso-8859-1?q?Windows_update_=28OT_for_list=29=2E=A0Was=3A__OvnPro?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_2=2E77_type_5_errors?= Message-ID: <501e38fc4adave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <096f1d1e50.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <096f1d1e50.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1300 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=rkiFBWoda5cA:10 a=k7TKjvitmSQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DpRzz3GgHO_MmDbDRiAA:9 a=3ShHr0U_pSQ4NtfmRogA:7 a=_6TYO1ovqyqLrJHccDvDmEKfmtoA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=PqcBqMhHAF61SOVD:21 a=kgmu6tlqBJZCVhp8:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] In article <096f1d1e50.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > FWIW, my Windows machines have been updated with anything offered by > the upgrade program, and so far at any rate I can communicate with (at > least one of) them using the new version of LanMan98. I was worried > after I saw David's problem, but am a bit less worried now. fingers, touches wood, etc etc>. > With best wishes, > Peter. Don't stress yerself Matey, both my machines have taken the updates and the LAN is still working... Oh I might be repeating myself, I have a vague thought I wrote something like that early this morning. However between then and now I've had time to test it, and yes all working as it should be, including accessing the NAS drive. Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 15 21:55:34 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNa2c-2jiVbs-07-DwL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:55:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNa2c-2jiVbs-07-DwL; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:46:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNa2c-2jiVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:46:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNa2b-0006VF-NH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:46:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2555EB842F2; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23356-06; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5D35B84504; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:45:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D266BB843EA for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23279-01 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D164B7BE4A for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (88-134-52-203-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.52.203]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML29c-1LNa202pzj-0002G4; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:45:40 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:44:17 +0100 Message-ID: <6175391e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+jbHNvrUkdyB4epzOM9tjI1zYrIppaQ8FpPzB 5AtgEPwtLpCTpsBSdS/AnaJo92aC70hD+kMPYr4hFtc2+grO4Q NVThW0dkT0tVLY5JXMjnIctbA+Kye/5 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1301 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LONa882jZ0nxwY10Vg8A:9 a=bY9mLnnwMS1X3k1yj5kA:7 a=1tEognR7CmcIwBjzFEHa3lxWhDAA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] In message <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> Brian Carroll wrote: > Incidentally, I got the same updates Dave Symes specified but > have had no problems with WindowsXP <-> RISC OS 4.39 via LanMan98 > v2.0 . Yes, LanMan98 v2.0 is much better than LanManFS and definitely recommended. It copes with Vista out of the box and also with many NAS (Network Attached Storage) devices. The standard LanManFS is falling more and more behind. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 16 12:02:07 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNaBu-3jpVbs-07-Dn3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:02:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNaBu-3jpVbs-07-Dn3; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:55:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNaBu-3jpVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:55:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNaBu-00001q-Bz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:55:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC417B84500; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24473-09; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55B11B844B7; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:55:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85E2CB84500 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24340-05 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A89DDB844E1 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:55:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8020 invoked by uid 89); 15 Jan 2009 21:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (farmstay@203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with ESMTPA; 15 Jan 2009 21:55:11 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:54:06 +0800 Message-ID: <7ad93f1e50.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> <6175391e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <6175391e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1302 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=U98zaT_TAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=BxeGwcyGroB52RPw_R0A:9 a=3FcY1oXDYmnnw0BhPxUA:7 a=yZ455Fs8ER1hlCebWyv7GEhvUSoA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] In message <6175391e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> > Brian Carroll wrote: >> Incidentally, I got the same updates Dave Symes specified but >> have had no problems with WindowsXP <-> RISC OS 4.39 via LanMan98 >> v2.0 . > Yes, LanMan98 v2.0 is much better than LanManFS and definitely > recommended. It copes with Vista out of the box and also with many NAS > (Network Attached Storage) devices. The standard LanManFS is falling > more and more behind. I'm using Omniclient v2.12 and LanManager Client TCPIP v 2.30 (as they came with the Iyonix) and they don't cope with the latest XP upgrades. > Martin -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay 1800 South Coast Hwy DENMARK WA 6333 Tel:+61 8 9848 1781 Fax:+61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From ecartis@freelists.org Fri Jan 16 12:02:46 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNmBl-3K2Vbs-01-AJi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:02:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNmBl-3K2Vbs-01-AJi; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:44:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNmBl-3K2Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:44:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNmBl-0004K5-2H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:44:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7CAB1B84D50 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:44:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31376-03 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:44:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FA53B84D4F for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:44:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling-moderators@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling-moderators@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9D0AB84D50 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31373-02 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BCD42B84D4F for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from freelists.org by freelists.org (ECARTIS/1.0.0); Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:44:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:44:31 -0500 (EST) From: FreeLists Mailing List Manager Reply-To: chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk To: davidpilling-moderators@freelists.org Message-ID: X-ecartis-antiloop: freelists.org Precedence: list Subject: davidpilling: chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk post needs approval X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CLH9ym6EJAUA:10 a=sAznK1A81B4A:10 a=334W1WZb_M0A:10 a=3x0e8oAB68arDB-Q-UUA:9 a=usJvCPEvemOZoANiDu0A:7 a=It-zYYzlQC0As6bcbFBDHMoxPNwA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=vaF4yFaCieYA:10 a=RIRDc01YPJVN_BBm:21 a=8YIMZEzgFda2Pf77:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] This message was received for a list you are a moderator on, and was marked for moderation due to the following reason: Non-member submission to closed-post list. 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Ecartis needs it. // apppost 4970650F:7AC3.1:qnivqcvyyvat >From chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 16 05:44:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8ABDBB84D50 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31376-02 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.o2.co.uk (sidious.london.02.net [82.132.130.152]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10823B84D4F for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from riscpc.o2.co.uk (93.97.148.139) by mail.o2.co.uk (8.0.013.3) (authenticated as mytardis@o2.co.uk) id 496A3D850113FE51 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:44:29 +0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re:_[softwarelist]_Re:_[softwarelist]_Re:_[softwarelist]_Re:_[softwarelist]_Re:_[softwarelist]_Windows_update_(OT_for_list).=A0Was:__OvnPro_2.77_type_5_errors?= To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:43:47 GMT Message-ID: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <096f1d1e50.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <9ec72e1e50.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <67f3361e50.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <67f3361e50.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.43S) (RISC-OS/6.14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <67f3361e50.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > In message > Alan Adams wrote: >> In message <9ec72e1e50.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> >> Alan Adams wrote: > Apologies if following up my own followup to my own message upsets > you... > The following is part of the info from Microsoft about the update > KB957687 which went out yesterday, and appears to be causing some > problems. > ==== > This security update resolves two privately reported vulnerabilities > and one publicly disclosed vulnerability in Microsoft Server Message > Block (SMB) Protocol. The vulnerabilities could allow remote code > execution on affected systems. An attacker who successfully exploited > these vulnerabilities could install programs; view, change, or delete > data; or create new accounts with full user rights. Firewall best > practices and standard default firewall configurations can help > protect networks from attacks that originate outside the enterprise > perimeter. Best practices recommend that systems that are connected to > the Internet have a minimal number of ports exposed. > This security update is rated Critical for all supported editions of > Microsoft Windows 2000, Windows XP, and Windows Server 2003, and > Moderate for all supported editions of Windows Vista, and Windows > Server 2008. For more information, see the subsection, Affected and > Non-Affected Software, in this section. > The security update addresses the vulnerabilities by validating the > fields inside the SMB packets. For more information about the > vulnerabilities, see the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) subsection > for the specific vulnerability entry under the next section, > Vulnerability Information. > ==== > In other words, there are changes to the SMB server within Windows. I > would not be surprised therefore if it caused problems for non-Windows > systems emulating SMB. > However my tests with and without the patch fail in exactly the same > way, just sooner without the patch than with it. > Make of that what you will. Just some additional information, it adds an extra validation registry entry if using XP at least, this is not always automatically removed if you uninstalled the software patch. This will still impact transferred. Further digging revealed the main issue is around ceratin types of file name used which apparently were not being validated correctly by the SMB server software, and creating a security hole in the file sharing. Looks like LANMAN/LANMAN98 will need updating to handle the tighter security. -- Chris Hughes // eompost 4970650F:7AC3.1:qnivqcvyyvat From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 16 12:17:08 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNnVx-2Thknw-08-8zW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:17:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNnVx-2Thknw-08-8zW; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:09:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNnVx-2Thknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:09:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNnVx-0005ZT-An for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:09:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B03F1B84D4E; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:09:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05844-10; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:09:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DFB1B84CE9; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:09:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:08:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45802B84D7D for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05731-09 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 119BDB84D7B for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:08:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LNnVM-0002u2-lc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:08:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:07:40 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> <6175391e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <7ad93f1e50.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> In-Reply-To: <7ad93f1e50.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1303 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=spcAtsyHSlt9D6dO01MA:7 a=xLUm56h_3n37vvznsMwNxgv5UuUA:4 a=eZLSmJVMEtUA:10 a=LPBx2UGKaMjUp_y4:21 a=msMYUJjkV98PciG0:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.7/1895] Re-posted... From Chris Hughes In message <67f3361e50.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > Make of that what you will. Just some additional information, it adds an extra validation registry entry if using XP at least, this is not always automatically removed if you uninstalled the software patch. This will still impact transferred. Further digging revealed the main issue is around ceratin types of file name used which apparently were not being validated correctly by the SMB server software, and creating a security hole in the file sharing. Looks like LANMAN/LANMAN98 will need updating to handle the tighter security. Chris Hughes // eompost 4970650F:7AC3.1:qnivqcvyyvat -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 16 17:31:50 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNsUz-1HK000-07-CX0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:31:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNsUz-1HK000-07-CX0; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:28:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNsUz-1HK000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:28:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNsUu-0007Lp-N7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:28:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03CC0B84964; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13671-05; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:28:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8848FB84E8D; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:28:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:28:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C87FB84CCE for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13514-09 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3ACD2B84968 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [88.97.42.81] (helo=chris.cornant) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LNsUI-00047i-Cg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:28:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:30:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] F4 type 5 error Message-ID: <501ea6099dchris@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [88.97.42.81] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1304 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ngpD6vwE83gK2XhUWq0A:9 a=65tofsmuldUUyvY79msA:7 a=drPh8_pe0OQzKi5wCGZavagZcpsA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.8/1897] Hi, I think I've found a repeatable type 5 error in Ov Pro 2.77: 1. Select a word in some text. 2. F4: Find = same word, Replace with = anything, All stories 3. Go 4. Replace: crash! (I discovered this when using using Copy/Paste to copy something into 'Find' - I've got the Global Clipboard selected and also use IcnClpBrd, in case it's relevant.) Chris Bell. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 16 17:46:50 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNsjs-129GPo-03-CI7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:46:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNsjs-129GPo-03-CI7; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:44:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNsjs-129GPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:44:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNsjn-0000IK-S6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:44:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42A2DB84361; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:44:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15908-08; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:44:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5ADBB842FF; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:43:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70C12B84AEB for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15698-04 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F338B84AE6 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:43:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LNsjD-0006XB-d7 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:43:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:42:21 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: F4 type 5 error References: <501ea6099dchris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <501ea6099dchris@highpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1305 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=BRBQOOwOZeCIk2EQc6IA:7 a=Ckzmc3F4rz9at0xZ60B4HIozvzoA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=r3nZuwdZXIhoRl9U:21 a=Rre1E7V6pBR596k_:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.8/1897] In message <501ea6099dchris@highpath.net>, Chris writes >1. Select a word in some text. >2. F4: Find = same word, Replace with = anything, All stories >3. Go >4. Replace: crash! Interesting. I can reproduce this on both Windows and RISC OS, it seems that selecting "All stories" is the key thing. If some text is selected then OP only searches the selected text, so this is an operation that should not be doing very much - the all stories setting should be ignored. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 16 18:01:51 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNsoG-0eRknw-08-CDj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:01:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNsoG-0eRknw-08-CDj; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:48:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNsoG-0eRknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:48:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNsoF-000141-3X for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:48:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90F93B84AF7; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16659-09; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27E46B84AEB; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:48:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A7C5B84AF7 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16581-02 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.3.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C19F6B84AE6 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [88.97.42.81] (helo=chris.cornant) by smarthost03.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LNsne-0001bh-37 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:48:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:50:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: F4 type 5 error Message-ID: <501ea7ded6chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: References: <501ea6099dchris@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Originating-Smarthost03-IP: [88.97.42.81] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1306 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=w1bExTdGfYueAcS6vywA:9 a=sXBNWjdjRKeKquDc6TIA:7 a=3NTqVcX3djgQMO0rV7kxfXxvhzoA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.8/1897] David Pilling wrote: > Chris writes > >1. Select a word in some text. > >2. F4: Find = same word, Replace with = anything, All stories > >3. Go > >4. Replace: crash! > Interesting. > I can reproduce this on both Windows and RISC OS, it seems that > selecting "All stories" is the key thing. > If some text is selected then OP only searches the selected text, so > this is an operation that should not be doing very much - the all > stories setting should be ignored. Perhaps grey it out when there's a selection? Chris. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jan 16 19:16:53 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LNu7y-3B8knw-03-Au1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:16:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LNu7y-3B8knw-03-Au1; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:13:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LNu7y-3B8knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:13:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LNu7x-0002fA-Ls for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:13:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81A65B84526; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27755-10; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B7FEB84576; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:12:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38A49B84526 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:12:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27661-08 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:12:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4F68B77824 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-205-108.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.205.108]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0GJCA3S005229 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:12:15 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:40:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <501eac7617dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> <6175391e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <7ad93f1e50.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1307 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ObLIQQbk1myQdnCFiKMA:9 a=T3ZB0DXMII0Fvqus3KUA:7 a=2mqHQXyalaDDV06X7APPenZvFmIA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=kV9itfIcjXH2FqpA:21 a=Yepsc7Mfvc4eDY3b:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.8/1897] In article , David Pilling wrote: > Re-posted... > From Chris Hughes > In message <67f3361e50.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> > Alan Adams wrote: > > Make of that what you will. > Just some additional information, it adds an extra validation registry > entry if using XP at least, this is not always automatically removed if > you uninstalled the software patch. This will still impact transferred. > Further digging revealed the main issue is around ceratin types of file > name used which apparently were not being validated correctly by the SMB > server software, and creating a security hole in the file sharing. > Looks like LANMAN/LANMAN98 will need updating to handle the tighter > security. Lanman98 had notable troubles with Win Vista where the network/security tie ups were a PITA. LanMan98 version 2 (Released Oct 2008) has sorted that lot very nicely. As I've mentioned in an earlier posting, using LM98 V2 after the recent updates, I've not encounteted any of the problems reported here on either XP or Vista. Perhaps those of you with older versions, and those of you without any version, should contact the gent who has almost everything in stock, for an Update or New copy. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 17 15:54:17 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LO8N7-4GyVbs-07-Dhu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:54:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LO8N7-4GyVbs-07-Dhu; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:25:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LO8N7-4GyVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:25:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LO8N2-0001eD-Jd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:25:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B8B0B85079; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18524-02; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DF0DB8508B; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:25:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0683CB85079 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18297-08 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.17]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3867B84D7D for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 05:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1LO8MR-0001gF-Ft for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:25:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:21:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Saving files in Windows OPro Message-ID: <501f02a4f5nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> <6175391e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <7ad93f1e50.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 9d38fd2d7b4776caff269cc9b708fc4e X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1308 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=rujr1NhZDk0A:10 a=VUtqYPY5bfsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2Ek6crNwEB2eCuPDIwoA:9 a=iJ9ercJ0k79M9gCTv9YA:7 a=LIIrVQLVniTUbL4BROxTYHPxPxcA:4 a=3SmO1NJXDBsA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.8/1897] Hi All, Ive probably missed something blindingly obvious but is there an applet to save a document in the Windows version as text or html? I want to put some existing documents on the web without cut and pasting. -- besters.. Ned === skype:nedabell To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 17 18:09:00 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LOFUq-07YVbs-07-F6h.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:09:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LOFUq-07YVbs-07-F6h; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:02:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LOFUq-07YVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:02:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LOFUp-0002CJ-UH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:02:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68423B84B6A; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01621-08; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA3D3B8496D; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:01:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9878CB84B6A for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01537-01 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62931B84786 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LOFUF-0000SV-eS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:01:35 +0000 Message-ID: <0BmnJzDdyhcJFwp9@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:59:57 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Saving files in Windows OPro References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> <6175391e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <7ad93f1e50.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <501f02a4f5nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <501f02a4f5nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1309 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=LblkRRy7T9sA:10 a=c8UHcU0RGYwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wByaJLRKIGQ4u4AUoGEA:9 a=GxDInZocWHgGBj_I28EA:7 a=WHqIS-oQOwJN9895X2gIQgUcKHQA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=e00H59iFzkSd81Rb:21 a=6M3rmMf8X4KSGP-a:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.8/1897] In message <501f02a4f5nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk>, Ned Abell writes >Ive probably missed something blindingly obvious but is there >an applet to save a document in the Windows version as text or >html? I think the answer is probably no. A selection of text can be saved as text. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 28 12:12:23 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LS09v-0Onknw-02-CbY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:12:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LS09v-0Onknw-02-CbY; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:28:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LS09v-0Onknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:28:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LS09u-0004Af-RU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:28:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56BE5B8B78C; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08068-09; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D80FBB8B784; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:27:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79FB0B8B78C for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:27:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07937-01 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:27:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz (mail.inspire.net.nz [203.114.168.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13DB8B8B771 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.168.8]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4711DDBD2B for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:27:28 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail5.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.168.5]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.168.8]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mjBa5kgR8ZyZ for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:18:49 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.dsl.sta.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail5.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16A2DBC7D for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:27:27 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:27:56 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors Message-ID: <502481753fasgard@inspire.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <501e3351e9asgard@inspire.net.nz> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <501e3351e9asgard@inspire.net.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1310 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: asgard@inspire.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=s23E5Zb3NYQA:10 a=md8cdXoy1jsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=1enTpchumXMo3vxHRA0A:9 a=grqXjQS_d-lX1L4FGM4A:7 a=04jE85QtdlHzlGjlLqIxdveIjeMA:4 a=SKpDKCWXRSQA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.14/1918] Greetings, Further to my article <501e3351e9asgard@inspire.net.nz> - I have hammered Ovation Pro pretty heavily and have seen no type 5 errors related to irregular frames since refreshing my copy of Ovation Pro. I have just h ad one type 5 error (pointing to the FontManager) which I cannot reproduce no matter how hard I try. I think I shall just crawl back into the woodwork - and 'lurk' as is my wont! Keith -- Inspired! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 28 12:27:03 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LS9Hd-3EOknw-02-C0M.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:27:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LS9Hd-3EOknw-02-C0M; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:12:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LS9Hd-3EOknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:12:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LS9Hd-0004M4-34 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:12:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81110B8C27F; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23721-07; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18DEDB8B939; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:12:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:12:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97733B8C45A for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23503-01 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61DBFB8C443 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LS9H1-0001ph-mJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:12:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:25:48 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: F4 type 5 error References: <501ea6099dchris@highpath.net> <501ea7ded6chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <501ea7ded6chris@highpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1311 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=vBAyuGU6b0RTY0Xwdb8A:7 a=RxLShK8MA7uZwmQS8El77A8tvD0A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yaQnbIDjVlXhqJi1:21 a=QdI28sxs1vkV1ycO:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.14/1918] In message <501ea7ded6chris@highpath.net>, Chris writes >David Pilling wrote: >> Chris writes >> >1. Select a word in some text. >> >2. F4: Find = same word, Replace with = anything, All stories >> >3. Go >> >4. Replace: crash! >> I can reproduce this on both Windows and RISC OS, it seems that >> selecting "All stories" is the key thing. > >> If some text is selected then OP only searches the selected text, so >> this is an operation that should not be doing very much - the all >> stories setting should be ignored. I appreciate this may irritate, I've fixed the above problem in OP for Windows before RISC OS, the latest version is available from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe Now I'll fix it for RISC OS... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jan 28 12:42:07 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LS9cI-1pjknw-04-Bfh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:42:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LS9cI-1pjknw-04-Bfh; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:34:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LS9cI-1pjknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:34:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LS9cI-0007mf-Cv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:34:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8F6AB8C7A7; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29284-03; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E08BB8C6F1; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:33:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39986B8C7A7 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:33:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28629-01 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:33:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02359B8C77C for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LS9bg-0006f3-ZJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:33:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:31:30 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Portable (USB Memory stick) version? References: <2nOHAdFmb2aJFwKr@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2nOHAdFmb2aJFwKr@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1312 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=WgAL7FWr730A:10 a=54gqD7GbIvYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=N54oRQ6RbwL1UmRWEkEA:9 a=hrZWcPJ3h1fShReR4wEA:7 a=p0Z3gGgJ-Bmm-_6jMe-ONUW2HcwA:4 a=RrEEVQ-HBuIA:10 a=EE_7PRWtN9jGhJaN:21 a=L4aiXCkeKg6jFgK5:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.14/1918] >From: Paul Shayler >I was just wondering, would it be possible to produce a version of OPW >that could be installed on and run from a USB Memory stick. This would >be like the PortableApps versions of Firefox, Thunderbird, Filezilla >etc. As I understand it nothing gets installed on the "host" computer. This would be a good idea. A few years back one of the memory stick makers set up a standard. I've no idea if the above use that standard or work some other way. It is not entirely trivial though because I do use the registry for saving some data. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jan 29 18:02:56 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LSbB7-3s5knw-08-9gQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:02:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LSbB7-3s5knw-08-9gQ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:59:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LSbB7-3s5knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:59:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LSbB6-0007Bw-In for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:59:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FA54B8D792; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31683-08; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F7B8B8D2CC; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:59:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D593B8D748 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31035-08 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail18.bluewin.ch (mail18.bluewin.ch [195.186.19.64]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E78CFB8D745 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:59:12 -0500 (EST) X-FXIT-IP: IPv4[92.107.70.200] Epoch[1233251950] Received: from [92.107.70.200] ([92.107.70.200:49453] helo=iyonix.janvredenburch.bluewin.ch) by mail18.bluewin.ch (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.36 r(27513/27514)) with ESMTP id 4F/C4-28931-E6EE1894; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:59:10 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Portable (USB Memory stick) version? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:59:00 +0100 Message-ID: <41895a2550.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> References: <2nOHAdFmb2aJFwKr@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1313 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@bluewin.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=WgAL7FWr730A:10 a=54gqD7GbIvYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LMYuQD_4bTJOdO9aU1UA:9 a=0ug21mQn-aAv1800P1gA:7 a=aLol2Nf9MfPmIkW62iXMvoPhfX4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yg_w8aK-4-T1UFiD:21 a=n5BMZwroRf8ZQ49n:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.233 [270.10.15/1921] In message David Pilling wrote: >>From: Paul Shayler >>I was just wondering, would it be possible to produce a version of OPW >>that could be installed on and run from a USB Memory stick. This would >>be like the PortableApps versions of Firefox, Thunderbird, Filezilla >>etc. As I understand it nothing gets installed on the "host" computer. > This would be a good idea. A few years back one of the memory stick > makers set up a standard. I've no idea if the above use that standard or > work some other way. > It is not entirely trivial though because I do use the registry for > saving some data. Just an idea. One could have a version say "OPwTravel" totally present on a Memory stick. This version, when activated, would then first install the necessary files on the host computer and the program can then be used. (And have a way that those specific files vanish once the memory stick is taken away and/or when the computer shuts down?) I have the present OPw on a memory stick. It has been installed there through a specific (mini-travel-)computer (1kg) and works perfectly. This way the limited tiny (?, 16GB flash memory, no HD) internal memory available remains free for data handling. Of course it only works with that mini-computer and when I'm travelling. -- Greetings, JohnvV To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 31 17:28:36 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LT2RL-4GC000-02-GWG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:28:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LT2RL-4GC000-02-GWG; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:06:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LT2RL-4GC000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:06:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LT2RF-0006Fv-JB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:06:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8377EB8F20C; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07128-02; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F02E2B8F1A7; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:05:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A2FFB8F1AB for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06512-04 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C99CB8F1A7 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090130230511.RGIO7670.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:05:11 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.96.249]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with SMTP id <20090130230510.PBUB21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:05:10 +0000 Message-ID: <96B30713A0CD49EEBD8815D25B25E8B3@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> <6175391e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <7ad93f1e50.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <501eac7617dave@triffid.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Windows_update_=28OT_for_list=29.=A0Was:___OvnPro_2.77?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_type_5_errors?= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:05:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=o8216bRzSzEA:10 a=1_bfV8vjfOEA:10 a=GP2x71nC20iRs5jsY0cA:9 a=3hxONnWpwU_GyCpslDYV9H6CGmcA:4 a=rPt6xJ-oxjAA:10 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1314 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1q853j0k-UQA:10 a=QFdfKAjstAoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GP2x71nC20iRs5jsY0cA:9 a=9QXwmx-X7FYVaeYlKLUA:7 a=DDdQNrLPOobtSl2MO7CUyZ-YR34A:4 a=rPt6xJ-oxjAA:10 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Symes" To: Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 6:40 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvnPro 2.77 type 5 errors > >> Looks like LANMAN/LANMAN98 will need updating to handle the tighter >> security. > > LanMan98 version 2 (Released Oct 2008) has sorted that lot very nicely. > > As I've mentioned in an earlier posting, using LM98 V2 after the recent > updates, I've not encounteted any of the problems reported here on either > XP or Vista. > > Perhaps those of you with older versions, and those of you without any > version, should contact the gent who has almost everything in stock, for > an Update or New copy. > > Cheers > Dave S > Hello, All, I've just started experiencing problems transferring files bigger than 1024 bytes from Iyonix to PC using OmniClient 2.12 / LAN Manager 2.30 and Windows XP SP3. No problem transferring from PC to Iyonix. It appears to be the problem discussed here. Can someone please decode the advice to "contact the gent who has almost everything in stock, for an Update or New copy [of LanMan]." for me? I would also be grateful to know what to do with it when I get it! Thanks John Grogan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 31 17:28:40 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LT9aG-30Xknw-02-9NL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:28:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LT9aG-30Xknw-02-9NL; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:44:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LT9aG-30Xknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:44:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LT9aG-00037Q-3d for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:44:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 880FEB8EA9B; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19408-05; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11F29B8EDA6; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:43:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45683B8EDC6 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19303-03 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECDA6B8EA9B for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-211-209.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.211.209]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0V6hMuV013938 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:43:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:42:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_Windows_update_=28OT_for_list=29=2E=A0Was=3A__?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_OvnPro_2=2E77_type_5_errors?= Message-ID: <502624441cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <96B30713A0CD49EEBD8815D25B25E8B3@PC01> References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> <6175391e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <7ad93f1e50.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <501eac7617dave@triffid.co.uk> <96B30713A0CD49EEBD8815D25B25E8B3@PC01> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1315 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bRYdYDgzgzEA:10 a=k7MhBnHx7z0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wZ8Vzw4yAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gatu_XJ-IJ2gXBKdbe4A:9 a=ag5Kq0tuBF6gecyfRZMA:7 a=jI8sM_KjDmbTohN83XBjQ1oW69oA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=egW_srZ1QbXR55aA:21 a=B8uwDrddQhmebszG:21 In article <96B30713A0CD49EEBD8815D25B25E8B3@PC01>, John Grogan wrote: [Snip] > Hello, All, > I've just started experiencing problems transferring files bigger than > 1024 bytes from Iyonix to PC using OmniClient 2.12 / LAN Manager 2.30 > and Windows XP SP3. No problem transferring from PC to Iyonix. It > appears to be the problem discussed here. > Can someone please decode the advice to "contact the gent who has almost > everything in stock, for an Update or New copy [of LanMan]." for me? I > would also be grateful to know what to do with it when I get it! > Thanks John Grogan John, it's not really a DPilling product or problem, but here is the info... CJEMicro's http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/ Info about the product is at: (All one line). http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/micros/individual/newprodpages/prodinfo.php?prodcode=WSS-LAN98 Cheers Dave S PS: For info: I recently moved a Directory containing 74 sub directories, containing 705 files, with a total sized of 3.8 Gigabytes. The transfer from this SARPC using LM98 version 2, to an XP PC went without any problems at all. The XP PC does have SP-3 installed Since LM98 version 2 was installed I've also transferred quite sizeable directories and files to and from this SARPC to a Vista run Laptop, without any problems. The Vista does have SP-1 installed. PPS: No pejorative implied or intended, the following is just for kindly info: Setting up is straightforward, but... The newsgroup "comp.sys.acorn.networking" might be a better place to ask, as that's the place where networking knowledge is concentrated. D. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 31 17:28:47 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTIMx-2r6Vbs-06-97A.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:28:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTIMx-2r6Vbs-06-97A; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:06:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTIMx-2r6Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:06:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTIMx-0004sZ-10 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:06:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58BA3B8F1FA; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01121-10; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE819B8F1D6; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:06:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74B74B8F1FA for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00953-04 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFC6DB8F1C6 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20090131160617.QPBQ4080.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:06:17 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.96.249]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with SMTP id <20090131160616.NMHS2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:06:16 +0000 Message-ID: From: "John Grogan" To: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <501a11be1fasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> <6175391e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <7ad93f1e50.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <501eac7617dave@triffid.co.uk> <96B30713A0CD49EEBD8815D25B25E8B3@PC01> <502624441cdave@triffid.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Windows_update_=28OT_for_list=29.=A0Was:___OvnPro_2.77?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_type_5_errors?= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:06:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=o8216bRzSzEA:10 a=1_bfV8vjfOEA:10 a=o2HjyFSgtsRpQJPbTUsA:9 a=tnyyHMisEj6KOchtnaqzthGpCgEA:4 a=MxZ3bB5I4kYA:10 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1316 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1q853j0k-UQA:10 a=QFdfKAjstAoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Eqw3YPFzCCwDA8WxmBwA:9 a=Ohv3K5Kxhk0GhiyXMswA:7 a=W22R0Q0yfXtExwcWxszExO_p5KwA:4 a=MxZ3bB5I4kYA:10 > [Snip] > >> I've just started experiencing problems transferring files bigger than >> 1024 bytes from Iyonix to PC using OmniClient 2.12 / LAN Manager 2.30 >> and Windows XP SP3. No problem transferring from PC to Iyonix. It >> appears to be the problem discussed here. > [Snip] > > John, it's not really a DPilling product or problem, but here is the > info... > Hello, Dave, Thanks for the info. Yipes! I really wasn't expecting the =A341 price ta= g for=20 effectively what appears to be a relatively minor upgrade (I hope DP hasn= 't=20 seen this) ! Apologies about using this list. I appreciate that this isn't a DP probl= em=20 but I'd seen it discussed here so chanced my arm. I've not been able to = get=20 on any newsgroups for ages but I've just found out my ISP changed the ser= ver=20 name! I now see this has been tackled at some length on=20 comp.sys.acorn.networking so I'll continue via that channel now. Many thanks for your help. Regards John Grogan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Jan 31 17:28:47 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTIdi-1iBGPo-07-8qP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:28:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTIdi-1iBGPo-07-8qP; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:24:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTIdi-1iBGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:24:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTIdh-0007XZ-It for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:24:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15159B8EE38; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:24:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04038-05; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93BDDB8EF9C; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:23:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB144B8EE38 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03936-02 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79C32B8EE5A for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-203-138.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.203.138]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0VGNTEx020674 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:23:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 16:23:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_Windows_update_=28OT_for_list=29=2E=A0Was=3A__?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_OvnPro_2=2E77_type_5_errors?= Message-ID: <5026597458dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <501817a297asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8Jll73FBboYJFw47@pilling.demon.co.uk> <50193a9f78asgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> <6175391e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <7ad93f1e50.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <501eac7617dave@triffid.co.uk> <96B30713A0CD49EEBD8815D25B25E8B3@PC01> <502624441cdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1317 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bRYdYDgzgzEA:10 a=k7MhBnHx7z0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=wZ8Vzw4yAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=aeo5jP9AxEoHCxCjk20A:9 a=f_imQ1j0yxfdBUbZ-soA:7 a=8CxRZKmtzkfdTs3Ksf3Rwf7VwskA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=QoptYR71GzlAieBl:21 a=57brGVtHRJKietpl:21 In article , John Grogan wrote: [Snip] > Hello, Dave, > Thanks for the info. Yipes! I really wasn't expecting the =A341 price tag > for effectively what appears to be a relatively minor upgrade (I hope > DP hasn't seen this) ! > Apologies about using this list. I appreciate that this isn't a DP > problem but I'd seen it discussed here so chanced my arm. I've not > been able to get on any newsgroups for ages but I've just found out my > ISP changed the server name! I now see this has been tackled at some > length on comp.sys.acorn.networking so I'll continue via that channel > now. > Many thanks for your help. > Regards > John Grogan One last thought. John, I don't know if you visited other bits of the site, as the URL I gave was for the first time buy detail and cost. If you already have a copy of version 1 and are upgrading to version 2 the cost is somewhat less. See: http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/micros/individual/newprodpages/prodinfo.php?prodcode=3DWSS-LAN98V2 Cheers Dave --=20 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 12:07:31 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTawq-0gyknw-07-G6p.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:07:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTawq-0gyknw-07-G6p; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:57:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTawq-0gyknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:57:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTawp-0007PJ-LG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:57:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1DD3B8F44F; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08324-10; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8ABACB8F5E2; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 06:56:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78386B8F4A7 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:56:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08111-04 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:56:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4297AB8F256 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LTawD-0005LB-bl for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:56:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 11:55:07 +0000 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1318 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8wav98MX3dQA:10 a=96O4chPNm8gA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=an63MGxJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GWkbw7R2VrF3E8tnEHEA:9 a=dQkZlOjV0lVG76JJ51UA:7 a=CW9asNvGNrb88DSeTSG96QOvucsA:4 a=lp0A9qSAQdEA:10 ***** Non-member submission to closed-post list. ***** From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:16:48 +1300 Subject: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Hi all, Maybe I'm not thinking straight, but is there a way I can cut and paste or load a whole page of an OvPro document into another OvPro Document? The page has lots of text and graphic boxes and I don't really want to shift them manually! regards, -- Robert Greenfield via RISC OS - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 12:07:31 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTay8-23yGPo-02-G5X.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:07:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTay8-23yGPo-02-G5X; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:58:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTay8-23yGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:58:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTay7-0003iP-U8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:58:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67FECB8F599; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:58:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08735-04; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:58:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0EEEB8F44F; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 06:57:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B735B8F35B for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:57:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08404-10 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:57:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7FEAB8F5BF for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 06:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LTaxW-0005iN-f5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:57:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 11:56:35 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Portable (USB Memory stick) version? References: <2nOHAdFmb2aJFwKr@pilling.demon.co.uk> <41895a2550.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> In-Reply-To: <41895a2550.janvred@janvredenburch.bluewin.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1319 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=WgAL7FWr730A:10 a=54gqD7GbIvYA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Wt-AOS42AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=CSYCtVhtxB1bSBd8KXEA:9 a=zVFQllGqicNwHibiW2YA:7 a=OKFHO1mXCiiU3b_sWs_lDm5qOGMA:4 a=htsp1cwEuSoA:10 a=7vJsvHCS3T47HwLm:21 a=CFjgNTffox-TFMx9:21 ***** Non-member submission to closed-post list. ***** From: Paul Shayler In message , David Pilling writes >>From: Paul Shayler >>I was just wondering, would it be possible to produce a version of OPW >>that could be installed on and run from a USB Memory stick. This would >>be like the PortableApps versions of Firefox, Thunderbird, Filezilla >>etc. As I understand it nothing gets installed on the "host" computer. > >This would be a good idea. A few years back one of the memory stick >makers set up a standard. I've no idea if the above use that standard >or work some other way. > >It is not entirely trivial though because I do use the registry for >saving some data. > > The standard you refer to I think is what is known as "U3". I appreciate that it may be possible to produce a "portable" version, but may not be easy to sort out use of the registry. Paul S. -- Paul Shayler M3TSF/G6TSF Running the Internet accelerator ONSPEED. Details at http://www.onspeed.com To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 12:07:31 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTb6H-2eTVbs-04-FxO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:07:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTb6H-2eTVbs-04-FxO; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:06:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTb6H-2eTVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:06:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTb6H-0004YO-FB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:06:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2A72B8F60F; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10836-03; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68754B8F634; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 07:06:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E133B8F60F for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10555-05 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4FF4B8F652 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-193-250.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.193.250]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n11C6FWN021271 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:06:16 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: David Pilling Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:06:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <5026c5bd8adave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1320 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=XEG_vW0DtBtqcLitaZ0A:9 a=RJlok0ZKOZ-DiJepUUMA:7 a=CfT5gWb0qGzFVOvagN1nWlpDR1AA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=_YThPYSFf_p29Fq0:21 a=q4tB0M8SQlrO6tkd:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > ***** Non-member submission to closed-post list. ***** > From: Robert Greenfield > To: davidpilling@freelists.org > Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:16:48 +1300 > Subject: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? > Hi all, > Maybe I'm not thinking straight, but is there a way I can cut and paste > or load a whole page of an OvPro document into another OvPro Document? > The page has lots of text and graphic boxes and I don't really want to > shift them manually! > regards, I guess I can't possibly be understanding the question correctly. Page-Copy Chapter from one document and Page-Paste Chapter into another document seems to be the answer. Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 12:22:31 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTb8B-0rF000-03-FvU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:22:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTb8B-0rF000-03-FvU; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:08:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTb8B-0rF000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:08:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTb8B-0004bc-EW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:08:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E968FB8F6A3; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11353-01; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70FABB8F643; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 07:08:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B11F1B8F685 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11098-06 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80A5CB8F67E for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LTb7a-0001YT-km for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:08:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: David Pilling Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:09:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1321 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=XEG_vW0DtBtqcLitaZ0A:9 a=xWj9Wh4zDkEVlEl964cA:7 a=o7YHiEg57IbhYDGQK5y3rwkoAZQA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=D1LPbtEafr03XUJh:21 a=c2F4RjwKDFpSVdD8:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > ***** Non-member submission to closed-post list. ***** > From: Robert Greenfield > To: davidpilling@freelists.org > Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:16:48 +1300 > Subject: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? > Hi all, > Maybe I'm not thinking straight, but is there a way I can cut and paste > or load a whole page of an OvPro document into another OvPro Document? > The page has lots of text and graphic boxes and I don't really want to > shift them manually! After selecting the first box, right click on each of the others in turn. Then you can copy and paste the whole selection. -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 12:22:31 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTbBE-1axknw-07-FsR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:22:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTbBE-1axknw-07-FsR; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:12:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTbBE-1axknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:12:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTbBC-0006eg-Cb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:12:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96A4DB8F325; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12356-04; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29ACBB8F262; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 07:11:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9825B8DB97 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11912-08 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88CC8B8DD02 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LTbAZ-0002mm-Xz for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:11:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:09:55 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?=5Bsoftwarelist=5D_Re=3A_Windows_update_=28OT_for_list=29=2E?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=A0Was=3A___OvnPro_2=2E77_type_5_errors?= References: <5017ab9e1dasgard@inspire.net.nz> <92409d1a50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <517kUIJ+RnZJFwDO@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501b26a683asgard@inspire.net.nz> <4jgEhyBeezaJFw6c@pilling.demon.co.uk> <501cbc73d8asgard@inspire.net.nz> <8aaf0e1e50.martinv@ucs.de> <501e25b489briancarroll@f2s.com> <6175391e50.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <7ad93f1e50.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> <501eac7617dave@triffid.co.uk> <96B30713A0CD49EEBD8815D25B25E8B3@PC01> <502624441cdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026597458dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5026597458dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1322 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RG9jGTe6iyoA:10 a=GiDcVUvfKLQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=GTA4bdinAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=Odo5mxedo7XnWcQKUJwA:7 a=Nt__vQHs9mmSWLaDQgElyOpFvj8A:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=QMr2SJLB-qVM6Ptp:21 a=d8OFNZwQaj_cKcYH:21 Hi, The networking stuff on comp.sys.acorn.networking is visible here: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/comp.sys.acorn.networking/browse_thread/ thread/b8c510aaff92609f?hl=en# In other words Google provides a nice interface to groups if you don't have a server, or like me can't be bothered to manage a permanent connection. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. 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FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 12:37:31 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTbSp-12O000-02-Faq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:37:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTbSp-12O000-02-Faq; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:30:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTbSp-12O000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:30:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTbSo-0007GO-Hw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:30:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7ECDB8F3A5; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17054-05; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81930B8F3A2; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 07:29:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 602A9B8F3A5 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:29:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16829-01 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:29:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F2B8B8F386 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 07:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LTbSD-0007SL-nC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:29:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:28:08 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1323 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=iV_QUvzLUIwoA9_vqysA:9 a=eB6kq_kj1dtddB_OajcA:7 a=7GTsv__VyjraBsdsLjHyL3Oi93AA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=kMXP8pBWKR-2fO_i:21 a=Q4VK5Vb5Ko0Wgco0:21 In message <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles writes >In article , > David Pilling wrote: > >> ***** Non-member submission to closed-post list. ***** > >> From: Robert Greenfield >> To: davidpilling@freelists.org >> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:16:48 +1300 >> Subject: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? > > >> Hi all, > >> Maybe I'm not thinking straight, but is there a way I can cut and paste >> or load a whole page of an OvPro document into another OvPro Document? Select all from the Edit menu, then copy paste. However the snag with this is that any linked text boxes will stop the copy taking place. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 17:37:41 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTgFB-22gGPo-01-AoU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:37:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTgFB-22gGPo-01-AoU; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:36:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTgFB-22gGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:36:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTgF6-0004TB-IP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:36:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFD47B8F700; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29851-09; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DCA0B8F67B; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:35:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D178CB8F700 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29698-10 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:35:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82472B8F6FE for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-201-35.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.201.35]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n11HZe71025283 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:35:41 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:35:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1324 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5Gciqp34Iwb3YwhBUfoA:9 a=9bu6ZeIRGPDc6O3MX2QA:7 a=QF7jUTFGiNCxUbKnx4587kbtV9EA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=MyzfpQbnV1TJ2Byu:21 a=Ip4mpXdJm2xPSJ8C:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles > writes > >In article , > > David Pilling wrote: > > > >> ***** Non-member submission to closed-post list. ***** > > > >> From: Robert Greenfield > >> To: davidpilling@freelists.org > >> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:16:48 +1300 > >> Subject: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? > > > > > >> Hi all, > > > >> Maybe I'm not thinking straight, but is there a way I can cut and > >> paste or load a whole page of an OvPro document into another OvPro > >> Document? > Select all from the Edit menu, then copy paste. However the snag with > this is that any linked text boxes will stop the copy taking place. That won't work because Robert made the important point... "... The page has lots of text and graphic boxes and I don't really want to shift them manually!" Selecting "all" from the Edit menu then doing whatever you want with that doesn't achieve his end result. Whereas Copy Chapter then Paste chapter will. Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 17:52:41 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTgOu-4asknw-06-Ael.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:52:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTgOu-4asknw-06-Ael; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:46:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTgOu-4asknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:46:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTgOt-0005l0-Ok for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:46:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FE29B8EF9B; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31836-07; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B00ECB8E339; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:45:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2397B8EFF0 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31545-08 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AB92B8EFCA for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:45:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LTgOI-00072F-na for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:45:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:46:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <5026e4f16fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1325 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=A0JsuF7oT8QO3rZbjCIA:9 a=y9A2IUGZHvGhE5NUGnwA:7 a=xVDuo5doaowFYhkL_yCwr__MmQ4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=mo4EleuArXMmn6ho:21 a=XRr4hvwILpecw1rK:21 In article <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > In message <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles > > writes > > >In article , > > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > >> ***** Non-member submission to closed-post list. ***** > > > > > >> From: Robert Greenfield > > >> To: davidpilling@freelists.org > > >> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:16:48 +1300 > > >> Subject: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? > > > > > > > > >> Hi all, > > > > > >> Maybe I'm not thinking straight, but is there a way I can cut and > > >> paste or load a whole page of an OvPro document into another OvPro > > >> Document? > > Select all from the Edit menu, then copy paste. However the snag with > > this is that any linked text boxes will stop the copy taking place. > That won't work because Robert made the important point... > "... The page has lots of text and graphic boxes and I don't really want > to shift them manually!" > Selecting "all" from the Edit menu then doing whatever you want with that > doesn't achieve his end result. > Whereas Copy Chapter then Paste chapter will. but, as I've tried, copies the whole document unless you carfully set each page as a differnet chapter. > Dave -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 17:52:42 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTgPo-2SgVbs-07-Adr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:52:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTgPo-2SgVbs-07-Adr; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:47:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTgPo-2SgVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:47:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTgPn-0003jK-PC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:47:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 334F5B8F509; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32132-09; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B912EB8F5FA; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:46:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4599B8F01C for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31895-07 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4230B8EFB5 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LTgPD-0007Ie-mQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:46:51 +0000 Message-ID: <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:45:15 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1326 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=OaIadndfxJ51QXWMJvAA:7 a=CdHqvK1uZG_p0qXzYgEN19XDypIA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=peo7mfOagnO0m9Pb:21 a=zGw_cRwOx01rrMd7:21 In message <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >Whereas Copy Chapter then Paste chapter will. I agree copy chapter is the best thing on offer. However you had already said that, and I was merely offering a way to make what Charles had suggested quicker. Sometimes Edit->Select All followed by a few right clicks (RISC OS) or control clicks (Windows) is the quickest way to select what you want. Or maybe Ctrl+Shift+Select Drag to select all the objects inside the resulting drag box. It is a pity there is no option to copy the contents of a page - including linked stories. Or as people often say a save page as Draw feature. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 18:37:43 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTh1M-2fZVbs-06-A2J.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 18:37:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTh1M-2fZVbs-06-A2J; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:26:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTh1M-2fZVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:26:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTh1M-0004mc-4n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:26:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84E0DB8F422; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05638-05; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1EADCB8F40F; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:25:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D138DB8F422 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05461-04 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8375FB8F40E for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-201-35.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.201.35]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n11IPWAc025932 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 18:25:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:02:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1327 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=iEvPwJ5yxrC1Gjh9Fu4A:9 a=WQfvp0lsxLvXfg2bMr4A:7 a=ehmL3zdHdgJPFVTv1YqTZYNRCAoA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=ueowLfnyOjQ2jcm7:21 a=wnqsDAzuUkqvE4RD:21 In article <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >Whereas Copy Chapter then Paste chapter will. > I agree copy chapter is the best thing on offer. However you had already > said that, and I was merely offering a way to make what Charles had > suggested quicker. > Sometimes Edit->Select All followed by a few right clicks (RISC OS) or > control clicks (Windows) is the quickest way to select what you want. Or > maybe Ctrl+Shift+Select Drag to select all the objects inside the > resulting drag box. [Snip] But in this situation with a page containing a mixture of text and graphics, what do you do with it once everything is selected. You certainly can't Ctrl-C then CTRL-V the lot in one go into the new document. If it's a relatively simple page you can do it in bits, but anything complex becomes hard labour. The way I do it... see my reply to Charles. It would be exceedingly useful if a page of everything selected could be converted into a new intermediate chapter. Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 18:37:43 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTh1N-1xQGPo-08-A2I.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 18:37:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTh1N-1xQGPo-08-A2I; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:26:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTh1N-1xQGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:26:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTh1N-0000cE-8Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:26:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFBB7B8F4F6; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05672-01; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D2F4B8F505; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:25:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 736ABB8F40E for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05461-06 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27C35B8F48F for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:25:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-201-35.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.201.35]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n11IPWAe025932 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 18:25:35 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:20:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <5026e7fc59dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5026e4f16fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026e4f16fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1328 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tslrRkiL1Jwv5DPWVeUA:9 a=soqTm0V4lOK1H6cTb0UA:7 a=jI8NM1TpR9KSz-2Dy4LWfBBrlEAA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=BSPbs0z-8opNe1b6:21 a=MJsXMOsd-rB2GXJx:21 In article <5026e4f16fcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: Dave wrote: > > Whereas Copy Chapter then Paste chapter will. > but, as I've tried, copies the whole document unless you carfully set > each page as a different chapter. Indeed it would in these circumstances, and that's the downside of not constructing chapters. However casting all that aside... When needs must... This is not ideal, but when faced with a problem I find solutions. Granted as Mr P notes, a few additional bells and whistle in this area would be useful, but we have to play with the tools we have to hand. I occasionally need to do this kind of operation with a complex page that's part of a chapter of many pages, or even a document of only one chapter with many pages. In a single chapter document, I delete everything before and after the complex page I'm desperate to copy to another document, then I'm left with one chapter of one page, then I do the Copy Chapter, Paste Chapter thing. If it's a multi chapter document, and the chapter from which I'm desperate to copy is part of many pages, I delete the pages of that chapter before and after the page I want, then do the Copy Chapter... The reason I note occasionally... If the page is complex, with many graphics as well as the text, then this is the easiest way in my experience to achieve the end. However if the pages is quite simple, then copying and pasting in bits, to reconstruct in the new document works just as well. Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 18:52:44 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LThJL-02zknw-04-9kK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 18:52:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LThJL-02zknw-04-9kK; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:44:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LThJL-02zknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:44:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LThJL-0006JG-1E for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:44:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39389B8EEB3; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08970-06; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C465AB8EEC7; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:44:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FC41B8EEB3 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08828-07 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B486B8EEA6 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LThIi-0004yH-pM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:44:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 18:42:45 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1329 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=A2YuLhU6V8LO85OACNYA:7 a=rMWijw3Dwgi1DTr4bcSGB_YWd2YA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=u75sVbJb1jBfFsnm:21 a=KZ7yfKXv9m-rwr0n:21 In message <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >But in this situation with a page containing a mixture of text and >graphics, what do you do with it once everything is selected. >You certainly can't Ctrl-C then CTRL-V the lot in one go into the new >document. Why not? The problem is linked text frames, where text stories flow from other pages. But there is no limit like "no more than 5 text frames" or "you can't copy a mixture of text frames and pictures". Typically there will be a main frame, even if you don't use it, and that main frame is autolinked and messes up the copy. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 20:52:48 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTjIF-2LLVbs-01-GHw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 20:52:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTjIF-2LLVbs-01-GHw; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:51:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTjIF-2LLVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:51:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTjIF-0003cV-0h for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:51:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68100B8F944; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29905-07; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE450B8F950; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:51:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:51:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED5DFB8F944 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29720-08 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A144AB8F93C for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-212-33.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.212.33]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n11Kp4EE027499 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 20:51:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:50:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1330 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8wav98MX3dQA:10 a=96O4chPNm8gA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fWtC_LyPbyOzZ3_u_8MA:9 a=7n-NECeq7pxWVZ2FxooA:7 a=2chuYE3-rSUD5N4roC2zjqOM6ncA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=4uYx5Gs87s9NDTuS:21 a=gU9TvnG6olDNeH6K:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >But in this situation with a page containing a mixture of text and > >graphics, what do you do with it once everything is selected. > >You certainly can't Ctrl-C then CTRL-V the lot in one go into the new > >document. > Why not? > The problem is linked text frames, where text stories flow from other > pages. But there is no limit like "no more than 5 text frames" or "you > can't copy a mixture of text frames and pictures". > Typically there will be a main frame, even if you don't use it, and that > main frame is autolinked and messes up the copy. Sorry, had to break for a while, other family stuff required attention. Okay, to aid my understanding... A test document has one page only, non of the frames in that page are linked, the page contains obviously text, it also contains a lot of diagrams, lines and arrows each in their own frame. I do an Edit-Select All, then Ctrl-C. I go to the new document page and do Ctrl-V. I do not get a complete copy of my page transferred to the new doc page, I just get text, no diagrams or the arrows and lines. To do it the way you suggest (Well here anyway) I need to do that in two operations, one to copy the text to the new doc then a second go to copy just the graphics, this comes with the problem of setting in some guide frames so that the graphics go exactly where they should on the new page. So you cannot copy a mixture of text and graphics in one go... Well if you can, I'd be really interested in the technique as I can't get it to happen here. (OvPro 2.77 14 Jan 2009) Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 21:07:48 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTjS1-30jVbs-01-G8A.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:07:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTjS1-30jVbs-01-G8A; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:01:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTjS1-30jVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:01:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTjRv-000285-SA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:01:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDD15B8F98E; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:01:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30765-08; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:01:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B73EB8F963; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:01:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:01:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48237B8F98E for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30683-01 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DE8FB8F961 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LTjRJ-0002Xe-ZM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:01:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:00:13 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1331 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=hval6mzoVri-L0N-1wgA:7 a=sz7-LyHKLRKhZyuJkverk-0WFu0A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=XfX5w9C4tlAUo0gc:21 a=Yo7GxB8OFt-sf9bQ:21 In message <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >A test document has one page only, non of the frames in that page are >linked, the page contains obviously text, it also contains a lot of >diagrams, lines and arrows each in their own frame. > >I do an Edit-Select All, then Ctrl-C. >I go to the new document page and do Ctrl-V. >I do not get a complete copy of my page transferred to the new doc page, I >just get text, no diagrams or the arrows and lines. >So you cannot copy a mixture of text and graphics in one go... Well if you >can, I'd be really interested in the technique as I can't get it to happen >here. You can copy a mixture of text, graphics and pictures in one go. There is a slight oddity since "select all" does different things depending on where you set off from. If you have the caret in a text frame and use select all, it selects all the text, rather than all the objects on the page. So really you have to set off with nothing selected - perhaps by clicking on the page background, then use select, all. If everything is selected then you should see the selection markers on all the objects. Using the clipboard means you can't see what is happening, an alternative is to hold down ALT and drag the selection between document pages, doing that you should see that outlines of all the objects are involved. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 21:22:48 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTjZD-2bL000-03-G0y.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:22:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTjZD-2bL000-03-G0y; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:09:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTjZD-2bL000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:09:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTjZD-0005QM-14 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:09:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69647B8CD1B; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31917-08; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED83BB8D885; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:08:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19880B8F9B1 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31787-01 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF86BB8F999 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk (88-202-193-170.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.193.170]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n11L8ew0027860 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:08:41 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:08:38 GMT Message-ID: References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1332 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-f0r_A8hRRY_7yqI8LAA:9 a=0eumoq3eG_NovyypTOQA:7 a=qNWDTADSSwTjSTCwDfZm5ZCU-0IA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=5iu24V-vaBQdnfzP:21 a=bwsoqsnEgUCFxihj:21 In message <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes >> writes >>>But in this situation with a page containing a mixture of text and >>>graphics, what do you do with it once everything is selected. >>>You certainly can't Ctrl-C then CTRL-V the lot in one go into the new >>>document. >> Why not? >> The problem is linked text frames, where text stories flow from other >> pages. But there is no limit like "no more than 5 text frames" or "you >> can't copy a mixture of text frames and pictures". >> Typically there will be a main frame, even if you don't use it, and that >> main frame is autolinked and messes up the copy. > Sorry, had to break for a while, other family stuff required attention. > Okay, to aid my understanding... > A test document has one page only, non of the frames in that page are > linked, the page contains obviously text, it also contains a lot of > diagrams, lines and arrows each in their own frame. > I do an Edit-Select All, then Ctrl-C. > I go to the new document page and do Ctrl-V. > I do not get a complete copy of my page transferred to the new doc page, I > just get text, no diagrams or the arrows and lines. It's always been my understanding that select all selected all the contents of a frame - not all frames. Since the graphics are in their own frames, this won't work. I suspect you could select one frams, then right-select the others, and copy the lot, though I haven't tried it. > To do it the way you suggest (Well here anyway) I need to do that in two > operations, one to copy the text to the new doc then a second go to copy > just the graphics, this comes with the problem of setting in some guide > frames so that the graphics go exactly where they should on the new page. > So you cannot copy a mixture of text and graphics in one go... Well if you > can, I'd be really interested in the technique as I can't get it to happen > here. > (OvPro 2.77 14 Jan 2009) > Dave -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 21:22:49 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTjix-3mjknw-07-FrE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:22:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTjix-3mjknw-07-FrE; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:19:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTjix-3mjknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:19:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTjit-0006ap-8T for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:19:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1B75B8EC21; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01472-06; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40B95B8F5FA; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:18:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E3BFB8EC21 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01224-01 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE40FB8ECD4 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LTjiG-0005kL-fn for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:18:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:19:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <5026f86b0dcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1333 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dCEC587pykl2ixCCOqIA:9 a=uYQkGIloptVgNdDazaUA:7 a=mc_vEfVMUSF1BqI0eC3w1KqCBtwA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=1JKxEb4AyW6N4Qqg:21 a=c-XZA4nApwA1iiVj:21 In article , Alan Adams wrote: > It's always been my understanding that select all selected all the > contents of a frame - not all frames. Since the graphics are in their > own frames, this won't work. > I suspect you could select one frams, then right-select the others, > and copy the lot, though I haven't tried it. you certainly can do that - it's the way I copy pages from one document to another. -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 21:37:49 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTjnO-0qhVbs-08-Fmn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:37:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTjnO-0qhVbs-08-Fmn; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:24:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTjnO-0qhVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:24:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTjnO-0004fy-57 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:24:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94820B8F308; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02158-08; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F10CB8F2EB; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:23:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8050EB8F5FA for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01995-07 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30BABB8F56A for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-212-33.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.212.33]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n11LNHRe027983 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:23:18 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:23:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1334 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wTdqxkH5eFaouJJRQN0A:9 a=znzjLL4-K2AH5uILetoA:7 a=SiDcMo24Pvw93qt9LiJeqV-4PscA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=CNu7NjvO9V_wiDu3:21 a=u3WZddJe56FM3nQZ:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >A test document has one page only, non of the frames in that page are > >linked, the page contains obviously text, it also contains a lot of > >diagrams, lines and arrows each in their own frame. > > > >I do an Edit-Select All, then Ctrl-C. I go to the new document page and > >do Ctrl-V. I do not get a complete copy of my page transferred to the > >new doc page, I just get text, no diagrams or the arrows and lines. > >So you cannot copy a mixture of text and graphics in one go... Well if > >you can, I'd be really interested in the technique as I can't get it to > >happen here. > You can copy a mixture of text, graphics and pictures in one go. Sorry to report, I can't here. > There is a slight oddity since "select all" does different things > depending on where you set off from. If you have the caret in a text > frame and use select all, it selects all the text, rather than all the > objects on the page. So really you have to set off with nothing selected > - perhaps by clicking on the page background, then use select, all. I do that, that is click outside the main frame. > If everything is selected then you should see the selection markers on > all the objects. > Using the clipboard means you can't see what is happening, an > alternative is to hold down ALT and drag the selection between document > pages, doing that you should see that outlines of all the objects are > involved. Even using Alt drag it doesn't work. I'll explain more... Obviously all the graphics are in frames, and if I have text in text frames, then Selecting All does indeed select both text and graphics which can be Alt dragged or Copy/Pasted. However, the text in frames is just a few bits and bobs that caption the graphics, the bulk of the text (like a book) is just in the default page frame, and that doesn't get picked up unless it's hilighted as a separate element. Thus I cannot copy. move, whatever everything on a page in one go. Unless you know a way. Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 21:52:49 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTk7C-3a5000-02-FSz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:52:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTk7C-3a5000-02-FSz; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:44:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTk7C-3a5000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:44:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTk77-0002ir-RF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:44:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 910A1B8F839; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05873-05; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1ECEEB8F61E; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:43:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9728B8F7E0 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05759-01 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72CA3B8D44D for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LTk6T-0004fR-kh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:43:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:42:11 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1335 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bM2oDppe6ameTMssUNEA:9 a=V97PDMPoLeAP8KRMQikA:7 a=69gSYOmkkZsxGb4N2Skyj2x4rhYA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=tYIhgt6OIsOqi3v6:21 a=eEnYZB8dOcBOYvlD:21 In message , Alan Adams writes >It's always been my understanding that select all selected all the >contents of a frame - not all frames. Since the graphics are in their >own frames, this won't work. No. As I said if you have nothing selected then "Select All" selects all objects. If you have the caret in some text then it selects all the text in the story. If you have a picture frame selected it selects all objects and if you have a picture selected it actually deselects the picture and then selects all objects. I can think of another oddity, on the Windows version if you have the caret in a text frame the cursor keys move the caret around. If the text frame is selected but the caret is not in the text then they move the frame around. That's another point, you can have a text frame selected but no caret - just right click on a non-selected text frame. Right click on one with the caret in and it marks text. You may say it should not work as above, I say these are useful tips that will let you work faster. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 1 21:52:49 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTkCx-38aknw-06-FNE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:52:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTkCx-38aknw-06-FNE; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:50:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTkCx-38aknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:50:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTkCw-0006uF-ST for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:50:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44571B8F85C; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07241-09; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA6A5B8F84B; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:50:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:49:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A0E7B8F85C for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07062-09 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BA83B8F878 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:49:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LTkCL-0000Vt-ZO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:49:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:48:11 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1336 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=jaygwYydXVSF09C7yywA:7 a=CJmhx4fRj7etEqw2E5Gk30vJw_gA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=qiguJQQQrLqiEw_Q:21 a=cBR7Btebm0AERN9k:21 In message <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >However, the text in frames is just a few bits and bobs that caption the >graphics, the bulk of the text (like a book) is just in the default page >frame, and that doesn't get picked up unless it's hilighted as a separate >element. That's exactly what I have said throughout this discussion, ** linked text frames can't be copied **, usually people accept the defaults and have a huge auto-linked frame on each page, even if they don't use it. If you don't use the auto-linked main frame, then you need to un-select it before attempting to copy the page contents. The above has been interesting, because I realise that I would have to provide a "copy page to clipboard as chapter" function. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 2 11:28:50 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTkh8-4N8Vbs-08-Et3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:28:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTkh8-4N8Vbs-08-Et3; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:21:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTkh8-4N8Vbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:21:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTkh3-0000vM-Mw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:21:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D89CB8F2FC; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12895-06-2; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09D6CB8EE6D; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:20:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9BC1B8ED48 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12685-05 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4921BB8EE28 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-212-33.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.212.33]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n11MKiuW028702 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 22:20:46 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:19:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1337 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=BWoeTtyjqkavdam_66UA:9 a=7rKuzOqmwpSTfJfz9aEA:7 a=-eCsmQlsf-Yj6T0oPTb33VbxRFMA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=hi7wCS3cm814CK4g:21 a=ppPPJxn6ixuEilha:21 In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >However, the text in frames is just a few bits and bobs that caption > >the graphics, the bulk of the text (like a book) is just in the default > >page frame, and that doesn't get picked up unless it's hilighted as a > >separate element. > That's exactly what I have said throughout this discussion, ** linked > text frames can't be copied **, usually people accept the defaults and > have a huge auto-linked frame on each page, even if they don't use it. > If you don't use the auto-linked main frame, then you need to un-select > it before attempting to copy the page contents. > The above has been interesting, because I realise that I would have to > provide a "copy page to clipboard as chapter" function. Sorry to be thicko, but I still don't understand. 1) My test document only has one page, the master page frame is not yet linked to anything, it's just there to delimit the page, contain the bulk of the text, which if I continue typing will flow over into a new page, then the master page frames would be linked between page one and two. 2) How can you create a document without having a Master page frame, there's nothing to constrain/contain anything? 3) How do I unselect the master frame in the sense you mean. Clicking outside it greys it out, but as noted before, absolutely *nothing* I do here will copy a complete page from one doc to another, or even Alt Drag. It's worth noting, in all the years I've been using OvPro, I've never been able to do it, which is why I evolved the Delete everything to one Chapter method for copying between documents. Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 2 11:29:05 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTmjR-38Nknw-04-Cqk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:29:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTmjR-38Nknw-04-Cqk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:32:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTmjR-38Nknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:32:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTmjQ-0005TH-Jc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:32:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F32CCB8ED04; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02277-09; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77E8CB8EF9B; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 19:31:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 137BBB8EEE2 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02115-10 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C40D4B8ED1E for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 19:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from newble.demon.co.uk ([80.176.249.168] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LTmip-0002ia-bc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:31:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:31:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <502709f9f4peter@newble.com> In-Reply-To: <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1338 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: peter@newble.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=JpiKVOAv2sv17IKFkp4A:9 a=eApCL2EXxiGhFMToX84A:7 a=lDtYYTTTmNtWlJk6Q7NsxegIFa8A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=Vi_M8qnH8a9ZCWs_:21 a=cGrue_C2F88GKsc8:21 In article <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes wrote: > Sorry to be thicko, but I still don't understand. > 1) My test document only has one page, the master page frame > is not yet linked to anything, It probably is linked if it was created by default, i.e. without any intervention from you. Frames are linked (to each other or to themselves) regardless of whether there is enough text in one to make it follow the link into the next. Go to page > Edit master pages (ctrl-E in Ovation Pro for RISC OS) and select the 'link frame' tool (the fifth button down in the default toolbar). There will probably be a diagonal green arrow indicating that the frame is aut0-linked (linked to itself, to enable text to flow from a frame on one page to the equivalent frame in the next). If you create a document by clicking on the Ovation Pro icon bat icon (on RISC OS), or running Ovation Pro (on Windows), the default document will be opened, which, unless you have changed it, contains one such auto-linked default frame. If you create a document using the "New..." option in the icon bar (or whatever the Windows equivalent is) you have the option of whether or not to create a default frame. If you do, it will auto-linked. If not, there will be nowhere on the page to enter text or graphics until you manually create frames, whether on individual pages of the document or on the master page for each chapter. > 3) How do I unselect the master frame in the sense you mean. Having selected all the frames, right-click (RISC OS) / ctrl-click (Windows) on the default frame to deselect it, just like any other. > Clicking outside it greys it out, but as noted before, > absolutely *nothing* I do here will copy a complete page from > one doc to another, or even Alt Drag. Somehow you still have at least one linked frame selected. Select the link frame tool, both in and out of master page mode, to see which these are. Having either deselected any linked frames (or, as is sometimes more appropriate, temporarily undone all the links), I find the !PastePos applet (for RISC OS) invaluable, to paste the frames back into exactly the same position on another page or in another document. On my machines I have the key macro {pastepos} set for ctrl-shift-V, as a variant of ctrl-V for normal paste. In my experience, one wouldn't want to include auto-linked frames when copying a group of frames from a page, as the text in them is not exclusive to that page. Copying self-contained pages, in which there might be links from one frame to another but not to or from other pages, is useful, but it means temporarily removing any links there might be within the page. Capturing the static contents of a page which includes 'dynamic' content (i.e. text flowing into and/or out of it) can best be done at the moment by printing to a PostScript printer driver, then using RiScript (on RISC OS) to convert that to a drawfile, or Acrobat Distiller (amongst other Windows programs) to make a PDF. As DP says, I and others have requested direct drawfile output in the past (although Artworks output would be better these days, now that Artworks files can include clipping paths, etc.) But direct PDF or PostScript output from Ovation Pro for RISC OS would be best of all, albeit an impossible dream! Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 2 11:29:06 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTnuD-2XE000-06-Bfy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:29:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTnuD-2XE000-06-Bfy; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:47:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTnuD-2XE000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:47:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTnuC-0006dY-CU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:47:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A6DEB8F012; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 20:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14069-08; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 20:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9AFDB8F34A; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 20:47:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:46:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78D3FB8F012 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 20:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13943-02 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 20:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 293FBB8EB73 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 2009 20:46:42 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 216435276/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/f2s-temporary-group/80.225.122.213/None/lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 80.225.122.213 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-MUA: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgYOAGPfhUlQ4XrV/2dsb2JhbACLdLpNhBQG X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,362,1231113600"; d="scan'208";a="216435276" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from ppp-4-213.bris-b-1.access.uk.tiscali.com (HELO helvellyn) ([80.225.122.213]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 02 Feb 2009 01:46:41 +0000 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:32:25 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <228e0f2750.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1339 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pSo93z2d2R0Z8oRk394A:9 a=_FFFYeP8zHd002ejhYIA:7 a=DVe7UgqP1cB0F9F18KqPhmmBSqkA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=w-pbCqWSU7OAI-2L:21 a=DmCk39Y5Dbju3gmt:21 On 1 Feb, Dave Symes wrote in message <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk>: > Sorry to be thicko, but I still don't understand. > > 1) My test document only has one page, the master page frame is not yet > linked to anything, it's just there to delimit the page, contain the bulk > of the text, which if I continue typing will flow over into a new page, > then the master page frames would be linked between page one and two. Isn't the master page frame linked by default, even if it is linked "to nothing"? It is in my copy of O-Pro. > 2) How can you create a document without having a Master page frame, > there's nothing to constrain/contain anything? Eh? You just delete the frame (having unlinked it first) from the master page. You then have a blank page with no frames on it. > 3) How do I unselect the master frame in the sense you mean. Adjust-click? -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 2 11:29:19 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTsAL-1ZaVbs-02-FwM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:29:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTsAL-1ZaVbs-02-FwM; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 06:20:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTsAL-1ZaVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 06:20:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTsAM-0006sd-DL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 06:20:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFE72B8E833; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03228-02-4; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 451AEB8F00A; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:19:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25660B8EA63 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02912-09 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF550B8E4E0 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-197-173.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.197.173]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n126Jb3k003819 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 06:19:38 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 06:07:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <502728b24edave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <502709f9f4peter@newble.com> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> <502709f9f4peter@newble.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1340 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=SfF_7mG9BJYKM5DIcjwA:9 a=7mQTbufxW2CCYsHFSnoA:7 a=MoK1LP4hh8-Dx3tk04eo4AYCJvUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 In article <502709f9f4peter@newble.com>, Peter Newble wrote: [Snippy] > Somehow you still have at least one linked frame selected. Select > the link frame tool, both in and out of master page mode, to see > which these are. Thanks for the detailed info, I'm going to need a few reads of it, and have a play before I reply. Cheers Dave Btw. The single page does not have a link with itself (Green arrow on master page running bottom right to top left, as I removed that yesterday when noting Mr P's comment about linked frames. It's obviously something else I'm not doing... However, after work today, I'll go throught it all again in the light of your info. D. -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 2 11:29:19 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTsAO-1ZhVbs-02-FwJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:29:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTsAO-1ZhVbs-02-FwJ; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 06:20:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTsAO-1ZhVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 06:20:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTsAO-0004rE-5j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 06:20:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B0E6B8E4E0; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:20:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03200-09; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:20:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20B6FB8EA63; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:20:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:19:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EBA21B8EBD8 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02912-10 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E4B7B8EAA7 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from dave.nom (88-202-197-173.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.197.173]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n126Jb3m003819 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 06:19:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 06:13:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? Message-ID: <50272945acdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <228e0f2750.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk> <228e0f2750.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/6.14) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1341 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=QbkK_TDwyy2C_zZktikA:9 a=-P8eo9J_2Xfox_1QJQsA:7 a=QxLoCaXATk2lRPbYrmWjAAbN6HgA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=VZtMCVNgsDDIHyqe:21 a=z5ZJn4tGOYsgSjbb:21 In article <228e0f2750.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 1 Feb, Dave Symes wrote in message > <5026fde906dave@triffid.co.uk>: > > Sorry to be thicko, but I still don't understand. > > > > 1) My test document only has one page, the master page frame is not > > yet linked to anything, it's just there to delimit the page, contain > > the bulk of the text, which if I continue typing will flow over into a > > new page, then the master page frames would be linked between page one > > and two. > Isn't the master page frame linked by default, even if it is linked "to > nothing"? It is in my copy of O-Pro. Yes in that sense, but I removed the link yesterday after Mr P mentioned Linked frames. (Master page, green arrow botton right to top left). > > 2) How can you create a document without having a Master page frame, > > there's nothing to constrain/contain anything? > Eh? You just delete the frame (having unlinked it first) from the master > page. You then have a blank page with no frames on it. Can't do that, all the text in the document vanishes. > > 3) How do I unselect the master frame in the sense you mean. > Adjust-click? Of course, but it doesn't make any difference to the outcome. I've received Peter's detailed reply, and later today after work, I'll have a good read and play to see if I can fathom where it, or I am going wrong. Cheers Dave -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Feb 2 14:29:04 2009 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LTzks-21k000-06-GsL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:29:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LTzks-21k000-06-GsL; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:26:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LTzks-21k000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:26:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LTzkr-0004wp-Ts for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:26:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39014B8F3A1; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04836-04; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4304B8F82C; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:25:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E612B8F849 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04568-08 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E12C6B8F83E for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LTzkG-0007N6-eq for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:25:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:24:33 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cut'n'paste a whole OvPro page? References: <5026c608c7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <5026e3e5dfdave@triffid.co.uk> <6dGkO7Dr+dhJFwAt@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5026e660b9dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f5ca16dave@triffid.co.uk> <5026f8bbdfdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1342 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P2VYsTGEgNEA:10 a=ayEQy_xEgl4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=92PcwMQfBmNnzqU35tMA:7 a=S8BANmd1eNn6d03YzYivCqy1N08A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=QtJMbCXen44Fx_xw:21 a=nj0ACwnsGeHY_ffd:21 In message , David Pilling writes >The above has been interesting, because I realise that I would have to >provide a "copy page to clipboard as chapter" function. Second thoughts, you only want to copy the page contents, not the pages, so it would be easy to remove the restrictions. If you tried to copy a linked frame you'd get a copy of just that frame and its contents - removed from the chain in other words. Perhaps that would make some people unhappy, all those unintentional attempts to copy the "default master frame" (as it says on the New and Page Guidelines windows) would succeed. It can be useful to not have a default master frame (aka principal frame), for example this morning, I used OPW to print a couple of scanned photos on one page. The answer to getting at documents without a default master frame easily is to make use of style sheets or the stationery applet. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling