From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 2 18:48:40 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7aHl-37cVbs-02-GrK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:48:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7aHl-37cVbs-02-GrK; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:47:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7aHl-37cVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:47:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7aHk-0000V7-Ht for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:47:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07EE8AC205E; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21500-02; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADA75AC21DB; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:47:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFA72AC205E for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:47:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21346-02 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:47:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A7ABAC20A3 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3126891uge.11 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:47:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.216.7 with SMTP id o7mr910800ugg.83.1228243627734; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:47:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm6807917ugh.10.2008.12.02.10.47.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:47:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:47:00 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk> <49352F9E.4070108@ed.ac.uk> <49353E13.6010604@ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1140 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GE5sh2pG8g5M5hG-L10A:9 a=L8X2eZtOljYk2M5_xDIA:7 a=ZG97RbYUx4pFwGzRoFXmM4pNi9YA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=ps41KH5U2IRO21jU:21 a=DfmAsVjIppl076Bw:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1824] On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:52:45 -0000, David Pilling =20 wrote: > In message <49353E13.6010604@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall =20 > writes >> I suppose the safe option might be to do the lettering in Photoshop ..= . =20 >> unless, of course, you're going to tell me there's a flatten layers =20 >> option in OPW that I've missed ;) > > Yes... > > Print key > Select picture frame > Ctrl+V > > The jest being that the Print key copies the screen to the clipboard as= =20 > a .bmp file. Hmmm ... If there were a way to copy the contents of a frame or a group o= f =20 frames to the clipboard as a .bmp, whilst retaining the original =20 resolution, OR export the contents of a frame or selection as a bitmap =20 file -- now that would be useful. Meantime, I've gone down the safe route with Photoshop, tho'=A0I would ha= ve =20 preferred to do the overlays in OPW, since it would have been a great dea= l =20 easier to get the size of the lettering consistent between pictures. Thanks for the help on this. When I get time, I'll try and find a solutio= n =20 to the PDF/printing problem. --=20 C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 2 19:33:38 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7auo-21LGPo-02-GEH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:33:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7auo-21LGPo-02-GEH; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:28:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7auo-21LGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:28:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7aum-0001HK-D1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:28:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8A27AC1353; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25898-06; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84873AC183F; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:27:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B64C4AC228D for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25440-06 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46D65AC233D for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from bach (88-134-174-130-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.174.130]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1L7atw3ZnA-0003Z8; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:27:17 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Looking for fonts (pp Rob Sinclair) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:28:03 +0100 Message-ID: <4634840750.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19bERji/rMf+quyahylbAPQIcSq84rLsKC6iWp YaRcIX5VQ5P8IaheU+/MPT02+FBD70kCeeOwRuQHgd2lbAVPYP bRbaAv5DFXzIFgJrCSv9RwQqkOjE48N X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1141 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=xs_zng9og0AA:10 a=f0GbcBWoPhoA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=ZsDIRQ3oAAAA:8 a=4a4kxHShAAAA:8 a=nqL81JpBAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gymGde6xAAAA:8 a=VaH5q8GXhxgzvI69Z4wA:9 a=dg_MS1HAYjzO-Cy7rY8A:7 a=jsSP0WFQKzLdyOH0-izX_5lCCYwA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=AcrItCv7WQjcs2r9:21 a=hOand0kXeW0gJikd:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1824] In message David Pilling wrote: > From: "Rob Sinclair" > Just wanting to know if anyone has heard of any of these fonts? > Copperplat.Bold This is the original name of the font design that is provided for RISC OS as "Formal" by EFF, so it should look the same as Formal.Bold below. > And these are from EFF but don't know where to find them > Warsaw.Bold This is a ITC Tiffany lookalike but it is no longer sold by EFF. Initially sold as Warsaw it was later sold as Tiffany but neither is on EFF's list any more. > Formal.Bold http://www.eff.co.uk/A/Page/Formal.htm Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software lists@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 2 19:48:44 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7bDS-1vP000-03-Fvd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:48:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7bDS-1vP000-03-Fvd; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:47:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7bDS-1vP000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:47:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7bDR-0004V1-Dh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:47:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CDE6AC1D98; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28231-07; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27C6AAC20D5; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:46:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01BFAAC2176 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:46:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28056-03 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB682AC205E for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20081202194637.CIUO1869.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:46:37 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.96.249]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with SMTP id <20081202194637.PGDJ2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:46:37 +0000 Message-ID: From: "John Grogan" To: References: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transparent text background colour in Ovation Pro Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:46:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KP5fpTeuTRUA:10 a=RXaIcn0AfOEA:10 a=khd5LaZsF-niz8oxD0QA:9 a=zWXAFnfZDXgGTlMCFiIA:7 a=k6Ze0J_3iuq3puxTHF9YtR2bGzYA:4 a=c5zHXd76wwQA:10 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1142 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0g2HgPXQ470A:10 a=V_CJjHHpIRwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=khd5LaZsF-niz8oxD0QA:9 a=CaiapMkb53dYGNRA60sA:7 a=YtJPfR1iJ7TJv3PlPUzvROWd440A:4 a=c5zHXd76wwQA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1824] > > One solution (albeit slightly awkward) is to duplicate the main text > > frame then > > sandwich the watermark between the two frames with the following > > settings: > > Top frame: Text foreground black, background transparent throughout > > Middle frame: The watermark > > Bottom frame: Text foreground transparent, background coloured (where > > needed) > > with the bottom frame aligned beneath the top frame. This works OK but I > > wonder if anyone has a suggestion for something more straightforward? > > I can't see any other way to do it. > > It seems you want colours that know what they're being painted on top of, > that is a more sophisticated rendering model than OP and traditional > systems support. > > David Pilling Thanks, David. Having got myself a bit more organised with master pages set up appropriately, the above isn't actually too much of a pain. It is as you might imagine a fairly rare requirement so I'm quite happy to continue in that way. Thanks & regards John Grogan To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 3 11:29:35 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7eDC-29b000-01-Cvt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:29:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7eDC-29b000-01-Cvt; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:59:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7eDC-29b000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:59:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7eD8-0006oZ-1O for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:59:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D88E5AC17ED; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11955-07; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53326AC1742; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:58:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06AF3AC148A for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11742-02 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from eir.is.scarlet.be (eir.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.27]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A66F5AC14B1 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbes (ip-81-11-174-112.dsl.scarlet.be [81.11.174.112]) by eir.is.scarlet.be (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB2MwYfR030011 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:58:34 +0100 Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:58:16 +0200 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing Message-ID: <5973970750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> References: <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: eir 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1143 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=3EK5X8rpAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=n05va4osHCKFnp0Gs5YA:9 a=MsDl86ToRPRC-E1fSiQA:7 a=q3fvlKUcvzmbuxIpxmChsUVatWIA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1824] In message <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk> you wrote: > Using DirectPS I generated PS files of the OPW documents in question, > and from the PS files I generated press quality PDFs (using Acrobat > Distiller v8). > > When viewed on screen, the PDFs seem fine. Printing the PDFs to my > LaserJet 1200-series using PCL6 emulation ... again everything seems OK. > But printing the same PDFs to a PS printer (HP LaserJet P3005 PS, > language level 3 set in PS options) ... PROBLEMS Do I assume it correcty that all this is done with Acrobat 8 (including the PS printing) ? If so, then I bet that this points to a problem with the PS interpreter in the HP LaserJet (I don't think it is an Adobe PS interpreter but a clone one) as the PDF -> PS conversion done in Acrobat 8 is pretty good. Nevertheless, in case you're willen to share that PDF file with me, I'm quite willing to investigate this a little bit more. John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 3 11:29:42 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7luJ-2ML000-03-DlI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:29:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7luJ-2ML000-03-DlI; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:12:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7luJ-2ML000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:12:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7luD-0004IO-Gz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:12:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA55AAC24B6; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 02:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15475-03; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 02:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 933A7AC1AD3; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 02:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:11:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5800AAC24B6 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 02:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15323-05 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 02:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3568BAC2606 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 02:10:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3273273uge.11 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:10:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.119.20 with SMTP id w20mr1450170ugm.78.1228288253299; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:10:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm7826587ugh.10.2008.12.02.23.10.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:10:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493630F9.10800@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:10:49 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk> <5973970750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> In-Reply-To: <5973970750.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1144 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=0JXVC0V0gjvxDBmML6sA:9 a=TJiDBpvv_sOswkDy8hcA:7 a=ZBaS9_6P4tJLzBMpySiNQQfTuMIA:4 a=zUBsD6tbDSsA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1824] John Tytgat wrote: > In message <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk> you wrote: > >> Using DirectPS I generated PS files of the OPW documents in question, >> and from the PS files I generated press quality PDFs (using Acrobat >> Distiller v8). >> >> When viewed on screen, the PDFs seem fine. Printing the PDFs to my >> LaserJet 1200-series using PCL6 emulation ... again everything seems OK. >> But printing the same PDFs to a PS printer (HP LaserJet P3005 PS, >> language level 3 set in PS options) ... PROBLEMS > > Do I assume it correcty that all this is done with Acrobat 8 (including the > PS printing) ? If so, then I bet that this points to a problem with the > PS interpreter in the HP LaserJet (I don't think it is an Adobe PS > interpreter but a clone one) as the PDF -> PS conversion done in Acrobat 8 > is pretty good. The PS printing is done by OPW -- Direct PostScript. The PS file is then opened in Acrobat Distiller (v8.1.3 - Mac version). It may well be that the problem lies with the PS interpreter in the HP LaserJet. My concern is could the commercial printer who receives my PDF be using a similarly flawed PS device ... and that would be a disaster. > Nevertheless, in case you're willen to share that PDF file with me, I'm > quite willing to investigate this a little bit more. I'd appreciate that. I'll send you (offlist) the URL where you will find the PS file. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 3 11:29:44 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7oJg-4Gj000-07-BLv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:29:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7oJg-4Gj000-07-BLv; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:46:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7oJg-4Gj000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:46:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7oJf-0003a2-NP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:46:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3790CAC193A; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27168-01; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E244FAC18EF; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:46:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 290A0AC186C for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27093-01 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.opal-solutions.com (smtp01.opal-solutions.com [195.74.130.3]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E52F2AC145B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (websrv.quantel.com [195.12.20.34]) by smtp01.opal-solutions.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD614BCA for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:46:02 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:44:31 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1145 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=vNN7qMR5SzFvj_5sCAsA:9 a=yVB2IDxSG5H6Dyx-pFsA:7 a=ODFeYjN366fJDm73Cso6zs-cwmYA:4 a=MxZ3bB5I4kYA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=BQZ_mFRCT7xGhx_W:21 a=PEVaRZCuvCKLSTUz:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1824] > In message <49353E13.6010604@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > >I suppose the safe option might be to do the lettering in Photoshop ... > >unless, of course, you're going to tell me there's a flatten layers > >option in OPW that I've missed ;) > > Yes... > > Print key > Select picture frame > Ctrl+V > > The jest being that the Print key copies the screen to the clipboard as > a .bmp file. > Surely that should be Alt-Print key. Then you only grab the current window and not the whole screen. Much better :-) you only have to trim off the window furniture Andy Ling -- Quantel is the trade name used by Quantel Holdings Limited and its subsidiaries. Quantel Holdings Limited is registered in England & Wales. Registration No: 4004913 Contact details for all Quantel Offices and Companies can be found on our website www.quantel.com or by writing to the holding company. Registered address: Turnpike Road, Newbury, Berkshire, RG14 2NX, United Kingdom To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 3 11:29:44 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7oQ5-2iC000-06-BFW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:29:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7oQ5-2iC000-06-BFW; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:53:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7oQ5-2iC000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:53:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7oPz-0003ug-S7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:53:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C16BAC1CCC; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27671-08; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DE2FAC20AD; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:52:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C22CAC1CCC for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27363-09 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34DC0AC1CCB for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 04:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3303179uge.11 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.40.15 with SMTP id s15mr1547601ugj.89.1228297953777; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j3sm8121976ugd.19.2008.12.03.01.52.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:52:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:52:30 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1146 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=y7w2fPvwiP8m0y0CwXkA:9 a=S5hXxpXPzGmWX8qrAl0A:7 a=WZ3a-AgKAzTCDge4xY4dbIw0BE0A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1824] On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:44:31 -0000, wrote: >> In message <49353E13.6010604@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > >> writes >> >I suppose the safe option might be to do the lettering in Photoshop ... > >> >unless, of course, you're going to tell me there's a flatten layers >> >option in OPW that I've missed ;) >> >> Yes... >> >> Print key >> Select picture frame >> Ctrl+V >> >> The jest being that the Print key copies the screen to the clipboard as >> a .bmp file. >> > > Surely that should be Alt-Print key. Then you only grab the current > window > and not the whole screen. Much better :-) you only have to trim off the > window furniture Alt-PrintScreen on a standard Windows keyboard, I guess. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 3 11:44:34 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7q77-38Mknw-07-9YU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:44:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7q77-38Mknw-07-9YU; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:41:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7q77-38Mknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:41:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7q76-0003ie-WD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:41:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70E53AC1C7F; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03291-01; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19BF3AC1941; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:41:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73B9BAC1806 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03143-06 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CA46AC1226 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L7q6H-0000cM-p3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:41:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:39:27 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1147 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=6EjZR12F7Ab346EL3OwA:9 a=PkOQc_kQqp4SgTg5IVwA:7 a=3qDTGTq6DhECCXC_w0HEAPOEe2kA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=jfLPfffb_EFu6ceY:21 a=OwEcG1buNb1Hzax5:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1826] In message , Clive Bonsall writes I woke up at 5am and thought of an answer to this... There is the concept of "overprint" or its opposite "knock out". This refers to what happens when colours are overlaid on a printer. Say you have an area of red, and an area of green is printed on top of it. There are two possible approaches, overprint where the green paint is placed on top of the red OR knock out where the red paint is removed from the area and the green is put on to the resulting white. Imagine that instead of green you're dealing with white (which was the problem case), here there is no final coat of paint, white is an absence of ink. If you have knockout set then you'll see something, if you have overprint set you won't. Now in the last version of OPW I changed the PostScript generation so that the overprint setting has an effect in composite files (it has always worked in separations). My guess is that your white is set to overprint and one of the PS interpreters understands the overprint command. The solution is to change the overprint setting. This can be done at the colour or object level, unless you're actually setting overprint deliberately, best turned off at the colour level. You can use the View->separations menu to see the effect of overprint settings. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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(5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm8251391ugh.10.2008.12.03.04.43.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:43:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:43:39 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1148 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=o3qD4sSMPkD-T0AMbpgA:9 a=tYXgGPsa_hB3fy9SIgsA:7 a=aTfh26otsezu959EMBkEdAE1un4A:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1826] David Pilling wrote: > In message , Clive Bonsall > writes > > I woke up at 5am and thought of an answer to this... > > There is the concept of "overprint" or its opposite "knock out". This > refers to what happens when colours are overlaid on a printer. > > Say you have an area of red, and an area of green is printed on top of > it. There are two possible approaches, overprint where the green paint > is placed on top of the red OR knock out where the red paint is removed > from the area and the green is put on to the resulting white. > > Imagine that instead of green you're dealing with white (which was the > problem case), here there is no final coat of paint, white is an absence > of ink. If you have knockout set then you'll see something, if you have > overprint set you won't. > > Now in the last version of OPW I changed the PostScript generation so > that the overprint setting has an effect in composite files (it has > always worked in separations). > > My guess is that your white is set to overprint and one of the PS > interpreters understands the overprint command. The solution is to > change the overprint setting. This can be done at the colour or object > level, unless you're actually setting overprint deliberately, best > turned off at the colour level. > > You can use the View->separations menu to see the effect of overprint > settings. Sorry for disturbing your sleep. In my setup OVERPRINT is OFF by default in the Object>Modify>Fillcolour menu and the Text>Modify text>Foreground menu, and I would expect that it was set to off in all the relevant documents/frames. But I will create some test documents with various settings and see what happens. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 3 13:59:43 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7s3F-1IgVbs-07-G8s.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:59:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7s3F-1IgVbs-07-G8s; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:46:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7s3F-1IgVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:46:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7s3D-0004Wl-NX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:46:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FC00AC243F; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13477-06; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7FEFAC243B; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:45:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:45:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97743AC2443 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13323-09 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABAC4AC215F for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L7s2U-0005nK-ZP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:45:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:43:43 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1149 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kTpgrqaMlreM9K5RSPsA:9 a=t1c0wrLjjnAnOSJx_BEA:7 a=JnkjoovxHfeaDuvXahTyQAS52fcA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=Tma_dTX_CiYPrQ9z:21 a=ZMXD6vlFJbAipu0z:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1826] In message <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Sorry for disturbing your sleep. In my setup OVERPRINT is OFF by >default in the Object>Modify>Fillcolour menu and the Text>Modify >text>Foreground menu How about in Misc->Edit colours->white happens, dream of incredibly funny thing wake up and find not funny. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 3 17:30:45 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7v9V-4Vkknw-07-D2c.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:30:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7v9V-4Vkknw-07-D2c; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:04:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7v9V-4Vkknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:04:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7v9V-00043B-6U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:04:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0EB8AC288B; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06115-03; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56032AC287D; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:04:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E73AAC24CC for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05968-02 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:04:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0052AAC24AD for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3424580uge.11 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.243.2 with SMTP id q2mr1914186ugh.1.1228323840934; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m38sm8732349ugd.51.2008.12.03.09.03.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:04:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:03:57 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1150 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NQ95NZZfTQD9Xrog38oA:9 a=NJMIslQVw7X4RIovn2YA:7 a=60_AWfvUi1drNOkwSW11MyU0LW0A:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=kcsPqqP7yak-lWAR:21 a=4MOPs8QfZGR9L89o:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1826] David Pilling wrote: > In message <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Sorry for disturbing your sleep. In my setup OVERPRINT is OFF by >> default in the Object>Modify>Fillcolour menu and the Text>Modify >> text>Foreground menu > > How about in Misc->Edit colours->white Set to OFF ... I ran a test earlier this afternoon. I overlaid three small text boxes on each of two picture frames containing a B&W photo (8bpp). Box 1 = grey (50% black) fill, white text Box 2 = white fill, black text Box 3 = transparent fill, white text The boxes overlying one picture frame had Fill colour>overprint set to OFF, and over the other picture frame set to ON. Using DirectPS I printed the documents to file, one with generic PS ticked, the other without. I then converted each PS file to PDF using Acrobat Distiller 8.1.3 at Press Quality. The resulting PDFs look fine. When the PDFs were printed to the LJ P3005 PS printer, both PDFs (and both pictures within the PDFs) gave the same result. Box 1 appears as a GREY square, no text Box 2 appears as black text, no white background Box 3 no text visible (background transparent) I've uploaded the original OPW document, the PS outputs, and the PDFs to the usual location ... single zip file called TestOPW ... in case they are of interest? Regards -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 3 18:00:44 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7vux-4Zkknw-04-CHA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:00:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7vux-4Zkknw-04-CHA; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:53:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7vux-4Zkknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:53:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7vuv-0003qN-Mh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:53:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 003C9AC2B80; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14299-04; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:53:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A351AAC2A86; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:53:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:53:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13D13AC2B80 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14171-06 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B834EAC2B2C for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:53:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L7vuG-0000QP-Wv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:53:00 +0000 Message-ID: <3Ma3KEBpcsNJFwwf@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:51:37 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1151 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=iIfSgLY__0q5IOgnxeoA:7 a=x4tUuyDc-BVCGlcYGpmnJnrKD8AA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=FbK_f8RjNPNokGgQ:21 a=cOW-bRsgZQiQwfEx:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1826] In message <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >I've uploaded the original OPW document, the PS outputs, and the PDFs >to the usual location ... single zip file called TestOPW ... in case >they are of interest? Thanks, I have the file. Bottom line, I generate different PostScript to you (looking at the setoverprint code), presumably you don't have the 13th. November version of Ovation Pro? If you don't my fault for not announcing it. I need to check if your document is generating the PS it should do. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 3 18:15:45 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7w2r-2vmVbs-03-C9G.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:15:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7w2r-2vmVbs-03-C9G; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:01:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7w2r-2vmVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:01:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7w2q-00004Y-LA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:01:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12F07AC2076; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:01:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15784-02; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:01:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB36CAC2C1B; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:01:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:01:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2A01AC2076 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15673-02 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE061AC28DA for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3440251uge.11 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:01:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.222.6 with SMTP id u6mr1953753ugg.19.1228327270094; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:01:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w40sm8795260ugc.6.2008.12.03.10.01.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:01:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4936C964.2040005@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:01:08 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> <3Ma3KEBpcsNJFwwf@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3Ma3KEBpcsNJFwwf@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1152 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tVW6c9UtYZceqPBNdgoA:9 a=fhkPzMTVl-jRL764NggA:7 a=Yt-2uJ0wjuY2NZznlZWdWAJeD2UA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1826] David Pilling wrote: > In message <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> I've uploaded the original OPW document, the PS outputs, and the PDFs >> to the usual location ... single zip file called TestOPW ... in case >> they are of interest? > > Thanks, I have the file. > > Bottom line, I generate different PostScript to you (looking at the > setoverprint code), presumably you don't have the 13th. November version > of Ovation Pro? If you don't my fault for not announcing it. > > I need to check if your document is generating the PS it should do. Looks like I'm running the 3 November 2008 version. I'll update now. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 3 18:15:45 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7w5N-2Mt000-08-C6k.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:15:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7w5N-2Mt000-08-C6k; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:04:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7w5N-2Mt000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:04:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7w5N-0000bq-B2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:04:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D082EAC293B; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15967-07; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8110EAC2A4B; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:03:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFB99AC293B for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15863-03 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89659AC293A for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L7w4i-0002sz-nx for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:03:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:02:43 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1153 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=PQFC9YxIz9Gb3JDVsosA:7 a=qWzrefoDuuHebcROQ3TImfb9I-4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=foyrz9Zsoo_WVzeG:21 a=ql96wQAecNFmeaE6:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1826] In message <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes OK, the 13th. November version of OP generates correct PostScript, the couple of versions preceding that default overprint to true (and will exhibit the problem seen), all versions further back default overprint to false. I'm sorry about this, when I was working on adding the overprint code I assumed that it was OK to change the default value, because it would not affect anything. Thanks to your example I now know better, the original default of false was correct. From the 13th. November version overprint in PostScript follows the settings of overprint in the document. It is a useful new feature, but I'd be sympathetic if anyone wanted a button to turn it off. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 3 18:30:45 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7wMH-4ZZVbs-02-Bpq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:30:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7wMH-4ZZVbs-02-Bpq; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:21:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7wMH-4ZZVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:21:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7wMH-000333-3q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:21:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84E4FAC2CF5; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18317-01; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27D5EAC2CEB; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:21:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 511D0AC2C9D for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:21:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18034-04 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:21:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9D1BAC2CCC for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3445086uge.11 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:21:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.90.10 with SMTP id s10mr1975550ugl.8.1228328477445; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:21:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x26sm8848260ugc.9.2008.12.03.10.21.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:21:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:21:15 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1154 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=IN3JIIfMjdl5e3LapCkA:9 a=eFQDo1jWKKHZb1OXwWsA:7 a=JKmsaTrDQ0zQfRqI2Yza7DnJsTUA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eG_xw1Bmlnl61IvI:21 a=Dw4lXC4VZaWTJj8a:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1826] On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:02:43 -0000, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > > OK, the 13th. November version of OP generates correct PostScript, the > couple of versions preceding that default overprint to true (and will > exhibit the problem seen), all versions further back default overprint > to false. > > I'm sorry about this, when I was working on adding the overprint code I > assumed that it was OK to change the default value, because it would not > affect anything. Thanks to your example I now know better, the original > default of false was correct. > > From the 13th. November version overprint in PostScript follows the > settings of overprint in the document. It is a useful new feature, but > I'd be sympathetic if anyone wanted a button to turn it off. No problem. I'm glad I spotted it before shipping everything to the publisher. Just to be clear, what should the setting be to give me the desired result -- overprint ON or OFF? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 3 18:45:46 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7wfL-2IrGPo-02-BWm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:45:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7wfL-2IrGPo-02-BWm; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:41:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7wfL-2IrGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:41:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7wfK-0006LH-AO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:41:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1D21AC1C7F; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20613-05; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98EE4AC2ABA; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:40:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4FD0AC1C7F for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:40:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20507-03 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:40:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 837E2AC19B1 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:40:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L7wed-0003Cz-Y9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:40:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:39:42 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1155 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=l2eiPiOotgTEpFGNP0sA:7 a=cDUGKdoE0WB-ew-QFpGvbjoz0tUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=AXZ2T1m7SK9UAk49:21 a=QyYrFnbzZkKyo578:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1826] In message , Clive Bonsall writes >No problem. I'm glad I spotted it before shipping everything to the >publisher. >Just to be clear, what should the setting be to give me the desired >result -- overprint ON or OFF? Overprint should be off (which implies knock out on) - so that white text knocks out whatever is behind it. Bearing in mind that overprint can be set at colour and object/text level. I think overprint defaults (in documents not PostScript) to off, so there should not be a problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 3 19:45:49 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7xU3-3rIknw-06-Ai4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 19:45:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7xU3-3rIknw-06-Ai4; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:34:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7xU3-3rIknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:34:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7xU2-0005Nk-MR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:34:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3391FAC29FD; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25744-07; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE2CBAC2A32; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:33:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73A54AC29FD for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25656-01 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 061EAAC29CF for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3464341uge.11 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:33:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.97.1 with SMTP id z1mr2025602ugl.9.1228332802950; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:33:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d38sm8967320ugf.11.2008.12.03.11.33.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:33:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4936DF00.8080201@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:33:20 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1156 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wczI-RyTY2Q_WiMYp1oA:9 a=Gb3dHvMiuCpYwHkeK3wA:7 a=vcH7ibVGmH_UME9WPtBvkVF_-SQA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1826] David Pilling wrote: > In message , Clive Bonsall > writes >> No problem. I'm glad I spotted it before shipping everything to the >> publisher. > > > >> Just to be clear, what should the setting be to give me the desired >> result -- overprint ON or OFF? > > Overprint should be off (which implies knock out on) - so that white > text knocks out whatever is behind it. > > Bearing in mind that overprint can be set at colour and object/text level. > > I think overprint defaults (in documents not PostScript) to off, so > there should not be a problem. Thanks. I have now upgraded to the latest version of OPW. So, tomorrow (after checking that overprint is off) I will generate a new PS file, resend the Test PDF file to the PS printer, and let you know what happens. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 4 11:50:42 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L88UD-07MGPo-01-Gkw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:50:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L88UD-07MGPo-01-Gkw; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:19:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L88UD-07MGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:19:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L88UC-0002AK-KU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:18:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EAD1CAC3200; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22268-08; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98A62AC31A3; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:18:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF096AC3166 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22095-08 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72639AC2B68 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3611583uge.11 for ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.87.11 with SMTP id p11mr2415648ugl.32.1228375097223; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m38sm9790617ugd.51.2008.12.03.23.18.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:18:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49378434.6000403@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:18:12 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1157 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rITECt4JLQggW1n72LEA:9 a=B6CpaAvWMd8rBPUqIAgA:7 a=obkOU_Rd3A8fQ9QbSs44yCBDOngA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1828] David Pilling wrote: > In message , Clive Bonsall > writes >> No problem. I'm glad I spotted it before shipping everything to the >> publisher. > > > >> Just to be clear, what should the setting be to give me the desired >> result -- overprint ON or OFF? > > Overprint should be off (which implies knock out on) - so that white > text knocks out whatever is behind it. > > Bearing in mind that overprint can be set at colour and object/text level. I am about to create a new Test document. I'm not quite sure what the difference is between colour and object/text level, and what effects these settings have. When trying to set overprint off/on in my TestOPW document, what I noticed was ... I set overprint to one state over the right-hand picture frame, and then moved to the left-hand picture frame to set overprint to the opposite state. On going back to check the overprint setting over the right-hand frame, I found it had changed! Is one of the settings (colour vs object/text level) global in its effects within a document? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 4 11:50:43 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L897E-2hRGPo-01-G7v.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:50:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L897E-2hRGPo-01-G7v; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:59:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L897E-2hRGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:59:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L897E-0001B3-Ab for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:59:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C529FAC2D37; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24936-09; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A6A9AC31D2; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:59:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:58:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05EDDAC30D7 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:58:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24485-06 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from fhw-relay07.plus.net (fhw-relay07.plus.net [212.159.14.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61C16AC300A for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 02:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by fhw-relay07.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1L896Y-0000nY-9M for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:58:34 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:53:32 GMT Message-ID: References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> <4936DF00.8080201@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4936DF00.8080201@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Plusnet-Relay: 6f99e73046a5c8c5c0acb310b9f30215 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1158 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=b3M7KUl8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VGgh7GYbmHmqL68bTXoA:9 a=Q0Nhc_1fwAaXAKUwo3YA:7 a=zCRJ-GHA7cln0_8Y6J_NOhB6GuwA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=5GrYEYx6NxteJb94:21 a=SleHOjWZZ45Od2E-:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1828] In message <4936DF00.8080201@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > Thanks. I have now upgraded to the latest version of OPW. So, tomorrow > (after checking that overprint is off) I will generate a new PS file, > resend the Test PDF file to the PS printer, and let you know what happens. I have just fetched the latest version of Ovation Pro from David's web site and it is the same 6 Nov 2008 version as I already have. Where is this mythical 13 Nov 2008 version please? Bernard -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 4 11:50:44 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8Ahv-1rJVbs-01-EXE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:50:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8Ahv-1rJVbs-01-EXE; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:41:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8Ahv-1rJVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:41:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8AhM-00025N-Qb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:41:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D717DAC333F; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 04:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00794-03; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 04:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88075AC3611; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 04:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:39:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3B1CAC333F for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 04:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00630-03 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 04:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F8E4AC2C2A for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 04:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3641415uge.11 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.29.4 with SMTP id g4mr2482924ugj.73.1228383588652; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x26sm9959145ugc.9.2008.12.04.01.39.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:39:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:39:44 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> <4936DF00.8080201@ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1159 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GZs3NrfDrI1nhvX07-cA:9 a=y5omFkTUavo84347fKAA:7 a=6-T1OswJb7Mv5B13SzcxUsJQ4xsA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=46HwZsSGNaXI1WpH:21 a=64uje7Lj3BbTV_Ta:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1828] On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:53:32 -0000, Bernard Veasey wrote: > In message <4936DF00.8080201@ed.ac.uk> > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> Thanks. I have now upgraded to the latest version of OPW. So, tomorrow >> (after checking that overprint is off) I will generate a new PS file, >> resend the Test PDF file to the PS printer, and let you know what >> happens. > > I have just fetched the latest version of Ovation Pro from David's web > site and it is the same 6 Nov 2008 version as I already have. > Where is this mythical 13 Nov 2008 version please? Did you refresh your browser first? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 4 11:50:45 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8Alf-2fJGPo-06-ETU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:50:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8Alf-2fJGPo-06-ETU; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:45:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8Alf-2fJGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:45:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8AlZ-0004ZT-EW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:45:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74A66AC35B0; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 04:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01402-01; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 04:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 174E0AC3255; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 04:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:44:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 057ADAC357C for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 04:44:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01214-07 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 04:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EF47AC3255 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 04:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3642625uge.11 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:44:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.26.7 with SMTP id d7mr2518956ugj.16.1228383857689; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:44:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m38sm9962532ugd.51.2008.12.04.01.44.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:44:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:44:15 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> <4936DF00.8080201@ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4936DF00.8080201@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1160 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=X-e2qkDWlBFA_XICMIAA:9 a=M3UKbFngPtuSJ4T5BdAA:7 a=sTKN7xGiGOteBbEPIsMHdItrGTsA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1828] On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:33:20 -0000, Clive Bonsall wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >> In message , Clive Bonsall >> writes >>> No problem. I'm glad I spotted it before shipping everything to the >>> publisher. >> >> >>> Just to be clear, what should the setting be to give me the desired >>> result -- overprint ON or OFF? >> Overprint should be off (which implies knock out on) - so that white >> text knocks out whatever is behind it. >> Bearing in mind that overprint can be set at colour and object/text >> level. > > I have now upgraded to the latest version of OPW. So, tomorrow (after > checking that overprint is off) I will generate a new PS file, resend > the Test PDF file to the PS printer, and let you know what happens. I can now confirm that, with overprint set to OFF, the Test pdf prints perfectly. Thanks for the help. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 4 11:50:49 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8C4H-1aUVbs-02-DAs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:50:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8C4H-1aUVbs-02-DAs; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:08:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8C4H-1aUVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:08:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8C4F-0000fZ-Pk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:08:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90C44AC33C0; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07965-02; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44F85AC34A0; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:07:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 498DDAC33C0 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07742-09 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net (pih-relay08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8C80AC347F for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1L8C3Y-0002zQ-Mf for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:07:41 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:07:28 GMT Message-ID: References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> <4936DF00.8080201@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Plusnet-Relay: c9fa0f4c19b6fdc31a01b97b849ddb83 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1161 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=b3M7KUl8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gbEgKOOaEFphTjpdmksA:9 a=sT0_6gXu-kJOsfd80DwA:7 a=eWNj3YJ76jAerE0uXcETJRTm3JwA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=Q0bNeyEBV-6BuDdi:21 a=BL9tfUR5ojQwHBs_:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1828] In message Clive Bonsall wrote: > On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:53:32 -0000, Bernard Veasey > wrote: >> In message <4936DF00.8080201@ed.ac.uk> >> Clive Bonsall wrote: >> >>> Thanks. I have now upgraded to the latest version of OPW. So, tomorrow >>> (after checking that overprint is off) I will generate a new PS file, >>> resend the Test PDF file to the PS printer, and let you know what >>> happens. >> >> I have just fetched the latest version of Ovation Pro from David's web >> site and it is the same 6 Nov 2008 version as I already have. >> Where is this mythical 13 Nov 2008 version please? > Did you refresh your browser first? Yes, I even tried another browser which doesn't use a cache and I still only get OvPro 2.77 (6 Nov 2008) -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 4 11:50:49 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8CFS-2p9GPo-06-Czh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:50:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8CFS-2p9GPo-06-Czh; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:19:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8CFS-2p9GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:19:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8CFR-0004HS-Fj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:19:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13900AC343E; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08656-06; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:19:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABB28AC3479; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:19:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:19:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FC26AC343E for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08444-02 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from avon.orpheusnet.co.uk (avon.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4825AAC3434 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from avon.orpheusnet.co.uk (avon.orpheusnet.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) by avon.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB4BJ6Sa031843 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:19:06 GMT Received: (from apache@localhost) by avon.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id mB4BJ5PP031842; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:19:05 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: avon.orpheusnet.co.uk: apache set sender to alan@adamshome.org.uk using -f Received: from 92.43.64.81 (proxying for 10.13.250.99) (WebMail authenticated user de36) by email.orpheusnet.co.uk with HTTP; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:19:05 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44415.92.43.64.81.1228389545.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> <4936DF00.8080201@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:19:05 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing From: "Alan Adams" To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: OrpheusWebMail/1.4.13-1.fc8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1162 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=C7Qbu9yYz6G20YgtML8A:9 a=vNSOd6Nm0pWVU_Ta5EQA:7 a=dnhN-rnoRThrTmTe_J88kIH8oDAA:4 a=MxZ3bB5I4kYA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=WNoEhE5kN_lzt5VT:21 a=0sMz4vJcGYkQdt3M:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1828] > On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:53:32 -0000, Bernard Veasey > wrote: > >> In message <4936DF00.8080201@ed.ac.uk> >> Clive Bonsall wrote: >> >>> Thanks. I have now upgraded to the latest version of OPW. So, tomorro= w >>> (after checking that overprint is off) I will generate a new PS file, >>> resend the Test PDF file to the PS printer, and let you know what >>> happens. >> >> I have just fetched the latest version of Ovation Pro from David's web >> site and it is the same 6 Nov 2008 version as I already have. >> Where is this mythical 13 Nov 2008 version please? > > Did you refresh your browser first? This is sometimee caused by a cached copy of the file on the ISP's cache. You can't directly fix this. (Note to webmaster - to prevent this, it is a good idea to change the filename of new versions, so the ISP doesn't think it is the same file). You can sometimes get round this by subtle alterations of the name. For example if the link goes to http://my.website.none/get-this-file alter this in the browser address box to http://my.Website.none/get-this-file This works because the DNS name is looked up in a case-insensitive fashion, but caches generally use case-sensitive matching to locate cache= d files. Changing the case of part of the DNS name causes a new copy to be fetched. Changing case in the filename part usually causes a "file not found" error, because Unix filenames are case-sensitive, and many web servers ru= n on Unix. Alan > -- > C.B. > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: > http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 4 11:50:49 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8CN3-1RcGPo-03-Cs6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:50:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8CN3-1RcGPo-03-Cs6; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:27:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8CN3-1RcGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:27:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8CMy-0006Hk-Jc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:27:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2FA9AC3594; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09744-02; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95F6FAC3589; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:27:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 650C1AC3594 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09423-04 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97B9AAC34B8 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3673553uge.11 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:26:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.115.8 with SMTP id s8mr2577394ugm.50.1228390014981; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:26:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7sm10066625uge.0.2008.12.04.03.26.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:26:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:26:52 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> <4936DF00.8080201@ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1164 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ObW_twLtD9T_CUkf4CwA:9 a=GJHdhX8C-tl_jvpYDScA:7 a=6Zr28wEPLWzaj6G8WSU2tX94938A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=bSFUGXtDtwKPmOZ5:21 a=-6J0f65a0gLJ9Ms3:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1828] On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:07:28 -0000, Bernard Veasey wrote: > In message > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:53:32 -0000, Bernard Veasey >> wrote: > >>> In message <4936DF00.8080201@ed.ac.uk> >>> Clive Bonsall wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks. I have now upgraded to the latest version of OPW. So, tomorrow >>>> (after checking that overprint is off) I will generate a new PS file, >>>> resend the Test PDF file to the PS printer, and let you know what >>>> happens. >>> >>> I have just fetched the latest version of Ovation Pro from David's web >>> site and it is the same 6 Nov 2008 version as I already have. >>> Where is this mythical 13 Nov 2008 version please? > >> Did you refresh your browser first? > > Yes, I even tried another browser which doesn't use a cache and I > still only get OvPro 2.77 (6 Nov 2008) Ah, you're after the RISCOS version. My original email related to OP for WINDOWS. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 4 11:50:50 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8CNB-42QVbs-01-Cry.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:50:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8CNB-42QVbs-01-Cry; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:27:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8CNB-42QVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:27:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8CN7-0007AC-IZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:27:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE236AC355D; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09702-02; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D2C1AC35D6; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:26:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02E00AC355D for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:26:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09281-01 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:26:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.talktalk.net (smtp-out-4.talktalk.net [62.24.128.234]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E80ECAC332D for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:26:44 -0500 (EST) X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEANtMN0lZ8O1e/2dsb2JhbADQQYMC Received: from unknown (HELO Iyonix.Iyonix) ([89.240.237.94]) by smtp.talktalk.net with ESMTP; 04 Dec 2008 11:26:40 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:26:31 GMT Message-ID: <76ca5f0850.roger@Iyonix> References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> <4936DF00.8080201@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1163 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@red-squirrel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yfX6mXbb2ObNyDxD34EA:9 a=f64xqE70U1GwCdUHjasA:7 a=nzl13qln7kW3bZ0kpYzRWsErkjEA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=YTav1Ah-9mSiR7Lg:21 a=2rAXnL_kFi8VlG-X:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1828] In message Bernard Veasey wrote: > In message > Clive Bonsall wrote: >> On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:53:32 -0000, Bernard Veasey >> wrote: [snip] >>> I have just fetched the latest version of Ovation Pro from David's web >>> site and it is the same 6 Nov 2008 version as I already have. >>> Where is this mythical 13 Nov 2008 version please? >> Did you refresh your browser first? > Yes, I even tried another browser which doesn't use a cache and I > still only get OvPro 2.77 (6 Nov 2008) It's just occurred to me: Bernard, are you fetching OvPro for RISC OS? The latest version for that is 2.77 (06-Nov-2008)! Regards Roger -- Roger Foden To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 4 12:05:42 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8Cp0-1cEknw-06-CQ9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:05:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8Cp0-1cEknw-06-CQ9; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:56:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8Cp0-1cEknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:56:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8Coz-00038O-PL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:56:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BA21AC35F9; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11788-06; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF9FEAC3615; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:56:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A08DAC35F9 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11476-10 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 520C7AC35F0 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 06:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L8CoL-0000Xc-ZW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:56:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:54:59 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> <4936DF00.8080201@ed.ac.uk> <44415.92.43.64.81.1228389545.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <44415.92.43.64.81.1228389545.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1165 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CUzElw1UAAAA:8 a=VxTVS7b7AAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=erGkOpcMAAAA:8 a=5IvDq9iWAAAA:8 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Lkjq46wwL5PJqLfDrrwA:9 a=Gd5hW5GXsxpFyYe23bAA:7 a=mdqzlQufBxFJBRkXRMfjsXvhbaYA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=vBe1XAWe1PAA:10 a=k2FqGPo3nkkg7qJT:21 a=sSCnKSU7wmK59Bns:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1828] In message <44415.92.43.64.81.1228389545.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.co.uk>, Alan Adams writes >> On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:53:32 -0000, Bernard Veasey >> wrote: >(Note to webmaster - to prevent this, it is a good idea to change the >filename of new versions, so the ISP doesn't think it is the same file). I have a number of domains which point at the same web site. So if you want to make a name change you could swop between: www.davidpilling.com www.davidpilling.net www.davidpilling.co.uk www.davidpilling.info -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 4 12:05:42 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8CwA-2JpVbs-08-CIz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:05:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8CwA-2JpVbs-08-CIz; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:04:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8CwA-2JpVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:04:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8Cw9-00055v-La for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:04:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CB6FAC3140; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12313-03; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:04:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB9A8AC3229; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:04:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:03:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8ADF1AC3140 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:03:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12158-04 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:03:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52817AC268F for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:03:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L8CvW-0002V0-bj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:03:26 +0000 Message-ID: <3cR3+aBFb8NJFwRM@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:02:13 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> <49378434.6000403@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49378434.6000403@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1166 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gffYZBLWukVuA0bi3FgA:9 a=ftOYOFXbKKsh5amBOXwA:7 a=qZ7q3nSGw3qUvUFheMd-hX-q0FcA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=cEGfYkJS1wC1_eFm:21 a=VmrrZLLxin8pj60Q:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1828] In message <49378434.6000403@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >I am about to create a new Test document. I'm not quite sure what the >difference is between colour and object/text level, and what effects >these settings have. I believe it works in layers, at the bottom is the colour definition of overprint and on top of it is the object layer. However higher levels can't turn off overprint. If a colour is set to overprint then it overprints where ever it is used, even if the object overprint setting is off. >When trying to set overprint off/on in my TestOPW document, what I >noticed was ... I set overprint to one state over the right-hand >picture frame, and then moved to the left-hand picture frame to set >overprint to the opposite state. On going back to check the overprint >setting over the right-hand frame, I found it had changed! Is one of >the settings (colour vs object/text level) global in its effects within >a document? Colour definition is global - as described above. The only explanation why changing the setting for one frame might affect another I can think of, is that both frames were selected at the time. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 4 21:07:26 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8Gxx-3G6000-08-Gni.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:07:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8Gxx-3G6000-08-Gni; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:22:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8Gxx-3G6000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:22:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8GxP-0006BT-Gp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:22:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0275AAC351E; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:06:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09175-04; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5163AC409B; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:05:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57EE5AC3D3B for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09008-08 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A560AC36A5 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3756733uge.11 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:05:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.86.17 with SMTP id o17mr2767931ugl.87.1228406717296; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:05:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p39sm10573500ugd.56.2008.12.04.08.05.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:05:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4937FFB8.1080102@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:05:12 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> <49378434.6000403@ed.ac.uk> <3cR3+aBFb8NJFwRM@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3cR3+aBFb8NJFwRM@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1167 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pllFB4ZbeCGquR9FuU4A:9 a=ZsCiMZxdMx_I7vGu8bAA:7 a=hvFfOmxlGnhcVFU257DLeOeEbqMA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1828] David Pilling wrote: > In message <49378434.6000403@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> I am about to create a new Test document. I'm not quite sure what the >> difference is between colour and object/text level, and what effects >> these settings have. > > I believe it works in layers, at the bottom is the colour definition of > overprint and on top of it is the object layer. However higher levels > can't turn off overprint. > > If a colour is set to overprint then it overprints where ever it is > used, even if the object overprint setting is off. > > Colour definition is global - as described above. > > The only explanation why changing the setting for one frame might affect > another I can think of, is that both frames were selected at the time. I'm sure I didn't have two frames selected simultaneously. But at the time I didn't appreciate that colour definition is global, so what may have happened is that I reset the colour definition as well as the object definition when each frame was selected when I was trying to set opposite overprint states ... if that makes sense. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 4 21:07:28 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8IeJ-1xnVbs-03-F7M.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:07:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8IeJ-1xnVbs-03-F7M; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:10:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8IeJ-1xnVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:10:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8IeF-0003yY-DX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:10:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F198AC35BE; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26604-07; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33816AC4B03; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:09:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A460AC35BE for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26482-03 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7211AC247F for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:09:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3792447uge.11 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.115.15 with SMTP id s15mr2876164ugm.56.1228414159971; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:09:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm10754066uga.49.2008.12.04.10.09.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:09:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49381CCE.5010806@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:09:18 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] PostScript and PDF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1168 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kw2sHxmPeg-ORxaWYsYA:9 a=A9JjStT60UcOyaYMOtgA:7 a=5pSrlSZvGycaZnAm2_PTmJCp6ZkA:4 a=oltX7JrCFroA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1828] A question for Acrobat users ... Having created a series of PDF files from OPW-generated PostScript, just out of interest I thought I would see if I could edit one of the PDF files. When I try to do this in Acrobat (v4 and v8), I get a pop-up message which says: "Warning: You cannot edit text in this font" (Acrobat 4 for Windows) or "All or part of the selection has no available system font. You cannot add or delete text using the currently selected font." (Acrobat 8 for Mac) The original OPW documents were created mainly in TimesNewRoman. The PostScript was generated in WinXP, and the PDF in Acrobat8 on a Mac using the Distiller default settings for Press quality (including embed all fonts). The warning message suggests that the Font (TimesNewRoman) is not available on my system ... but it is, both in WinXP and MacOS Clearly, there is something one has to do to get an editable PDF, which I failed to do. Can anyone suggest what it is? Or could it conceivably have something to do with the original PostScript? OPW was set to Direct PostScript. FWIW, I can edit the text in the PDF of the OPW user manual (not saving my edits, of course). Also ... a piece of TimesNewRoman text created in MSWord (Mac) and printed to Acrobat Distiller with the same PDF settings IS editable. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 4 21:07:30 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8J2W-2nSVbs-01-Ej9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:07:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8J2W-2nSVbs-01-Ej9; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:35:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8J2W-2nSVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:35:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8J2V-0000Uq-I3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:35:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37933AC42DF; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:35:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29664-08; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:35:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0C54AC279E; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:34:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BE33AC4DCE for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29549-08 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28AADAC4B05 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:34:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3799189uge.11 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:34:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.98.15 with SMTP id a15mr2882683ugm.86.1228415660892; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:34:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p39sm10781692ugd.56.2008.12.04.10.34.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:34:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:34:18 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript and PDF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49381CCE.5010806@ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49381CCE.5010806@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1169 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EiLUo8dQm7cA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4EVZJOFXoMHtJr8dob4A:9 a=FDG5n9vvyR8_ReDEvOUA:7 a=wfkzpqQjyBXaphJ4ndbTBRxU2dwA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1828] On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:09:18 -0000, Clive Bonsall wrote: > A question for Acrobat users ... > > Having created a series of PDF files from OPW-generated PostScript, just > out of interest I thought I would see if I could edit one of the PDF > files. When I try to do this in Acrobat (v4 and v8), I get a pop-up > message which says: "Warning: You cannot edit text in this font" > (Acrobat 4 for Windows) or "All or part of the selection has no > available system font. You cannot add or delete text using the currently > selected font." (Acrobat 8 for Mac) > > The original OPW documents were created mainly in TimesNewRoman. The > PostScript was generated in WinXP, and the PDF in Acrobat8 on a Mac > using the Distiller default settings for Press quality (including embed > all fonts). > > The warning message suggests that the Font (TimesNewRoman) is not > available on my system ... but it is, both in WinXP and MacOS > > Clearly, there is something one has to do to get an editable PDF, which > I failed to do. Can anyone suggest what it is? > > Or could it conceivably have something to do with the original > PostScript? OPW was set to Direct PostScript. > > FWIW, I can edit the text in the PDF of the OPW user manual (not saving > my edits, of course). > > Also ... a piece of TimesNewRoman text created in MSWord (Mac) and > printed to Acrobat Distiller with the same PDF settings IS editable. A quick test suggests DirectPS (printed to AcrobatDistiller v4) is not editable. But switch off DirectPS and you get an editable PDF. If this is documented somewhere, then my apologies. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 4 21:07:31 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8JeR-3hoknw-08-E7E.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:07:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8JeR-3hoknw-08-E7E; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:14:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8JeR-3hoknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:14:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8JeQ-0002Oa-Rx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:14:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5130EAC4B02; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02974-03; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05552AC4E84; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:13:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B09E8AC4D39 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02801-08 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net (pih-relay08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76B77AC4DA1 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1L8Jdm-00055p-J0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:13:34 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:13:25 GMT Message-ID: <8c898a0850.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <49367EFB.6010905@ed.ac.uk> <4936BBFD.5050303@ed.ac.uk> <4936DF00.8080201@ed.ac.uk> <76ca5f0850.roger@Iyonix> In-Reply-To: <76ca5f0850.roger@Iyonix> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Plusnet-Relay: 21d3bf438b721a5d0bc28579f693e869 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1170 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=wgaHT7FhAAAA:8 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=b3M7KUl8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_E4bYyJmAAAA:8 a=bPIVLXKa66AjuvjusJUA:9 a=_PBJLmuwjrUXlCHD8H4A:7 a=-ItUQWe6E1cufbVTuz-3SSNrLfwA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=rCkp5hU2wlyNCwRC:21 a=5oo_p9BLC8olYEni:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.13/1828] In message <76ca5f0850.roger@Iyonix> Roger Foden wrote: > In message > Bernard Veasey wrote: >> In message >> Clive Bonsall wrote: >>> On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:53:32 -0000, Bernard Veasey >>> wrote: > [snip] >>>> I have just fetched the latest version of Ovation Pro from David's web >>>> site and it is the same 6 Nov 2008 version as I already have. >>>> Where is this mythical 13 Nov 2008 version please? >>> Did you refresh your browser first? >> Yes, I even tried another browser which doesn't use a cache and I >> still only get OvPro 2.77 (6 Nov 2008) > It's just occurred to me: Bernard, are you fetching OvPro for RISC OS? > The latest version for that is 2.77 (06-Nov-2008)! > Regards > Roger Yes, you are right, I was trying to fetch a RISC OS version later than 2.77 (6 Nov 2008). Sorry, I hadn't realised the 'Windows' version was being talked about. -- Contact Me - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/contactme/ Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 4 21:37:17 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8LfV-3RDVbs-04-C6A.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:37:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8LfV-3RDVbs-04-C6A; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:23:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8LfV-3RDVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:23:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8LfV-000515-2L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:23:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D23FAC5319; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:23:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20968-02; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:23:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DE3AAC5326; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:23:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:22:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25988AC5322 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20857-05 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6CFFAC3CFD for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L8Leq-0005tb-lw for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:22:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:21:10 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript and PDF References: <49381CCE.5010806@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1171 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EiLUo8dQm7cA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=6PYiiOaSJMhbL3QBjJoA:9 a=4Dp-KseDPqYH4xu3ohMA:7 a=P2q5JPrWESKAAl9aEcnB8xzAZRYA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=X3QKZQu8uHYt9DAz:21 a=SVC3WGm3mFj1nJZU:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1829] In message , Clive Bonsall writes >On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:09:18 -0000, Clive Bonsall wrote: >> A question for Acrobat users ... >A quick test suggests DirectPS (printed to AcrobatDistiller v4) is not >editable. But switch off DirectPS and you get an editable PDF. If this >is documented somewhere, then my apologies. I hope an Acrobat user can offer some help. What springs to mind, is fonts, either the type 1 / type 3 setting (in direct PS choices) or font substitution in the printer driver, which ISTR direct PS should obey. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 4 21:52:18 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8M2k-0XeGPo-01-Biv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 21:52:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8M2k-0XeGPo-01-Biv; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:47:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8M2k-0XeGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:47:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8M2j-0000CG-ON for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:47:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB940AC55F1; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24446-01; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B2DCAC55EC; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:46:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A6F1AC55B9 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24314-08 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC06AAC5559 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:46:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3850811uge.11 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:46:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.218.15 with SMTP id q15mr3076760ugg.35.1228427210091; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:46:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w28sm10987076uge.5.2008.12.04.13.46.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:46:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:46:47 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript and PDF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49381CCE.5010806@ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1172 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EiLUo8dQm7cA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=9aUvhHeDGzSyD4Dxu60A:9 a=1SBzrw9AmnN-wID4hkkA:7 a=txaMLXhJ8Vsf1ymQmd8HOx2h2hAA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1829] On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:21:10 -0000, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Clive Bonsall > writes >> On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:09:18 -0000, Clive Bonsall >> wrote: >>> A question for Acrobat users ... >> A quick test suggests DirectPS (printed to AcrobatDistiller v4) is not >> editable. But switch off DirectPS and you get an editable PDF. If this >> is documented somewhere, then my apologies. > > I hope an Acrobat user can offer some help. > > What springs to mind, is fonts, either the type 1 / type 3 setting (in > direct PS choices) or font substitution in the printer driver, which > ISTR direct PS should obey. I've played with the type 1/type 3 settings, and it seems to make no difference. I know nothing about PostScript, but looking at the (Direct) PS files in Notepad I see numerous references to the font OP_Times_New_Roman output). If I edit the PS file in Notepad and change all references to OP_Times_New_Roman to Times-Roman (the closest [Adobe] system font), then I can edit the resulting PDF, but of course the Adobe font is noticeably different from the OP font. The PDFs generated from the DirectPS are on average bigger than those generated via Windows. Does this suggest that fonts are not being embedded? On the other hand, if font embedding fails, then Distiller is set to abort PDF creation, which it doesn't do. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 4 22:07:16 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8M7q-2B5knw-08-Bdp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 22:07:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8M7q-2B5knw-08-Bdp; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:52:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8M7q-2B5knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:52:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8M7m-0000r5-34 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:52:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 780DEAC55D6; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24995-02; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3848DAC55EF; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:52:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7ED19AC55D6 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:52:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24822-03 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:52:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 257D9AC557C for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:52:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3852173uge.11 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:52:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.220.12 with SMTP id s12mr3089554ugg.22.1228427522983; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:52:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s8sm11094915uge.18.2008.12.04.13.52.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:52:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:52:00 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript and PDF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49381CCE.5010806@ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1173 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EiLUo8dQm7cA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=UOn8wwlNCZ8NebKalYcA:9 a=3DBiyiz-CY3iib3eJD4A:7 a=Nil-2PqPxs9bi3mMUUg4TtOAdTgA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1829] On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:21:10 -0000, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Clive Bonsall > writes >> On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:09:18 -0000, Clive Bonsall >> wrote: >>> A question for Acrobat users ... >> A quick test suggests DirectPS (printed to AcrobatDistiller v4) is not >> editable. But switch off DirectPS and you get an editable PDF. If this >> is documented somewhere, then my apologies. > > I hope an Acrobat user can offer some help. > > What springs to mind, is fonts, either the type 1 / type 3 setting (in > direct PS choices) *or font substitution in the printer driver,* which > ISTR direct PS should obey. Sorry, could I ask ... which printer driver, Acrobat Distiller? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 4 22:07:18 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8MKe-0Cv000-02-BR1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 22:07:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8MKe-0Cv000-02-BR1; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:06:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8MKe-0Cv000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:06:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8MKe-0001kb-1x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:06:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44692AC458B; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:05:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26840-08; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:05:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F10C5AC515E; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:05:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 864F9AC458B for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:05:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26666-06 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:05:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5135BAC5134 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L8MK0-0003ya-nU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:05:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 22:03:48 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript and PDF References: <49381CCE.5010806@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1174 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EiLUo8dQm7cA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=twamm6N8hJoxJTjDg_cA:9 a=GsJrqoFV_H88lP5x6fcA:7 a=OKZM5mKzTS8BAG-FIxF5mm6NuGkA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=rZJOpMrurU8KG0dH:21 a=Ivn27PyVy_25vP4a:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1829] In message , Clive Bonsall writes >output). If I edit the PS file in Notepad and change all references to >OP_Times_New_Roman to Times-Roman (the closest [Adobe] system font), >then I can edit the resulting PDF, but of course the Adobe font is >noticeably different from the OP font. The PDFs generated from the >DirectPS are on average bigger than those generated via Windows. Does >this suggest that fonts are not being embedded? On the other hand, if >font embedding fails, My guess would be that text in embedded fonts can't be edited. There is for example the point that in an embedded font one need only embed characters actually used in the document. The fact that direct PS files are bigger might indicate that they embed fonts whilst the Windows driver does not. As I hinted there usually is in Windows drivers a section where you can choose what to do with fonts, either map them to standard PS fonts which are assumed to be in the PS device or download them. This section can be difficult to locate. Presumably the problem is that you're using the same driver and only changing the direct PS setting - so there can be no change in font mapping settings? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 5 11:49:07 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8NOU-4bPknw-06-ANB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:49:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8NOU-4bPknw-06-ANB; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:14:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8NOU-4bPknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:14:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8NOU-0000Gp-Bf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:14:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC62BAC50EE; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01995-04; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72AF4AC51FD; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:13:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 796B4AC50EE for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01867-06 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0941DAC5079 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:13:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3873353uge.11 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:13:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.89.15 with SMTP id r15mr7656ugl.59.1228432402980; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:13:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm11242413uga.49.2008.12.04.15.13.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:13:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:13:19 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript and PDF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49381CCE.5010806@ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1175 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EiLUo8dQm7cA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DTOOnvSfOwMNdHz1u5cA:9 a=vsGM7ojpLfzoU8ZVjNwA:7 a=rbVwND8nTWRfTQXpQsYdolazaWYA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1829] On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:03:48 -0000, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Clive Bonsall > writes >> output). If I edit the PS file in Notepad and change all references to >> OP_Times_New_Roman to Times-Roman (the closest [Adobe] system font), >> then I can edit the resulting PDF, but of course the Adobe font is >> noticeably different from the OP font. The PDFs generated from the >> DirectPS are on average bigger than those generated via Windows. Does >> this suggest that fonts are not being embedded? On the other hand, if >> font embedding fails, > > My guess would be that text in embedded fonts can't be edited. That's understandable, but shouldn't the local font (TimeNewRoman) be substituted? > There is for example the point that in an embedded font one need only > embed characters actually used in the document. ... altho' there is an option in Distiller to turn off subsetting. > The fact that direct PS files are bigger might indicate that they embed > fonts whilst the Windows driver does not. Sorry, I got my words confused -- what I meant was the DirectPS PDFs are NOT significantly bigger than the alternative, which they ought to be (I would have thought) if font embedding had taken place (the DirectPS files are approx. 4x the size of the PS files produced when DirectPS is off). > As I hinted there usually is in Windows drivers a section where you can > choose what to do with fonts, either map them to standard PS fonts which > are assumed to be in the PS device or download them. This section can be > difficult to locate. > > Presumably the problem is that you're using the same driver and only > changing the direct PS setting - so there can be no change in font > mapping settings? That's true. PDF editing is not a big issue - in fact, it strikes me as a last resort thing. But I thought it was interesting that DirectPS resulted in non-editable PDFs (not just from Acrobat, but also the PDF creator built into MacOS). -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 5 11:49:15 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8Vy6-0wr000-02-AK5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:49:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8Vy6-0wr000-02-AK5; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:23:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8Vy6-0wr000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:23:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8Vy6-0002L9-1P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:23:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75167AC540D; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13227-10; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 318FCAC5472; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:22:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A3F2AC540D for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13152-06 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADD8DAC538E for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 03:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3969362uge.11 for ; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:22:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.255.1 with SMTP id c1mr373521ugi.44.1228465362515; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:22:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j3sm382272ugd.19.2008.12.05.00.22.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:22:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4938E4D0.8030201@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:22:40 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript and PDF References: <49381CCE.5010806@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1176 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EiLUo8dQm7cA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=SKwJsL7MFPxq-a6J3y8A:9 a=cue_2qM31Bj1O62AAI4A:7 a=livfVZEdKDG00IaFaVMEVsiJ_oEA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1829] David Pilling wrote: > In message , Clive Bonsall > writes >> On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:09:18 -0000, Clive Bonsall >> wrote: >>> A question for Acrobat users ... >> A quick test suggests DirectPS (printed to AcrobatDistiller v4) is not >> editable. But switch off DirectPS and you get an editable PDF. If this >> is documented somewhere, then my apologies. > What springs to mind, is fonts, either the type 1 / type 3 setting (in > direct PS choices) or font substitution in the printer driver, which > ISTR direct PS should obey. For information, when a Test PDF containing just Times New Roman (normal and italic) is imported into Adobe Illustrator CS3, Illustrator reports: "The font OP_Times_New_Roman is missing. Affected text will be displayed using a substitute font. The font OP_Times_New_Roman_Italic is missing. Affected text will be displayed using a substitute font." -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 5 11:49:20 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8Z5z-2hvVbs-02-Fii.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:49:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8Z5z-2hvVbs-02-Fii; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:43:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8Z5z-2hvVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:43:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8Z5y-0000gZ-Rt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:43:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CB7DAC53EB; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29380-05; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CDF5AC5411; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:43:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:43:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F20BAC53EB for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29286-06 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.arachsys.com (alpha.arachsys.com [91.203.57.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1978FAC52A2 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from 88-97-41-154.dsl.zen.co.uk ([88.97.41.154] helo=lab) by alpha.arachsys.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1L8Z5K-0000F5-6Z for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:43:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Torrens (lists)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:14:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS Message-ID: <5008e27ceeLists@Torrens.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1177 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Lists@Torrens.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=Q2MTwp5kAAAA:8 a=j43SQtlsAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xRfuNHoh_tTWLbFV6bMA:9 a=fo4yCKvSMyE8LmZb3woA:7 a=xCBg-7WBvj3OjrXjz8YEnRlhJE8A:4 a=uL3qOuNcMWcA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1829] How do I create a (zip) file that may be encrypted? Can't find it in the instructions. -- Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 5 12:04:02 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8ZF2-3jJVbs-04-FZf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:04:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8ZF2-3jJVbs-04-FZf; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:53:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8ZF2-3jJVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:53:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8ZF1-0005kK-Sx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:53:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51354AC54F0; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30047-03; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13762AC54DC; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:53:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:52:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E52AAC54F0 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:52:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29850-03 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:52:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D50A6AC54E4 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 06:52:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L8ZEN-0001cE-j3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:52:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:51:14 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS References: <5008e27ceeLists@Torrens.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <5008e27ceeLists@Torrens.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1178 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sJ6ybDQ3TCYuiWN5o3kA:9 a=tpEzD5SLtdjqWZjB_G0A:7 a=3ZHv_pnFc7DSqU3oiTijM2lnpUUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=vGSxBwx6T5cC60Ln:21 a=0lwkPPlEN7uA6f4A:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1831] In message <5008e27ceeLists@Torrens.org.uk>, "Torrens (lists)" writes >How do I create a (zip) file that may be encrypted? >Can't find it in the instructions. You can't, zip encryption is not supported. I always feel there is room for an upgrade to zips, add rename, encryption and the new compression format. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 5 12:49:03 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8Zus-1lsVbs-07-Etp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:49:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8Zus-1lsVbs-07-Etp; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:36:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8Zus-1lsVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:36:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8Zuq-0000bR-C7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:36:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26195AC53ED; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:36:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01619-05; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:36:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D584FAC53EF; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:36:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:35:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34356AC53ED for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:35:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01489-03 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:35:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03DD2AC53E4 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 07:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L8ZuA-0001a9-m5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:35:35 +0000 Message-ID: <6RCkN+DH$ROJFwYL@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:34:15 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript and PDF References: <49381CCE.5010806@ed.ac.uk> <4938E4D0.8030201@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4938E4D0.8030201@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1179 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EiLUo8dQm7cA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=DemrDme9PCrWt1u6ZscA:7 a=fiu9IVZ_TcR10VpjZCpPYB4T6FsA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=VKCjfyVXyOYdcCgP:21 a=2J0IAfnR8BOGDPBX:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1831] In message <4938E4D0.8030201@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >"The font OP_Times_New_Roman is missing. Affected text will be >displayed using a substitute font. >The font OP_Times_New_Roman_Italic is missing. Affected text will be >displayed using a substitute font." I'm going to have to investigate, I'll reply sensibly later. My recollection is support of the font substitution table (but this has to be "hacked" there is no documented method for Windows and so results are not certain) and that I made all names (even substituted fonts) of the form OP_XXX (which is something I could have avoided). My notes say "fonts in printers won't have Unicode glyphs so download if any are used". I've not observed font substitution today, and it is easy to see font definitions in the PostScript, looks like: %%BeginResource: Font OP_Arial %!FontType1-1.0: OP_Arial %%Creator: Ovation Pro 12 dict begin /FontType 1 def /FontName /OP_Arial def /FontMatrix [0.001 0 0 0.001 0 0] def /FontBBox [0 -211 2664 905] def /Encoding DPL_Latin1Encoding def -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 5 13:34:09 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8aeN-3MN000-08-EAK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:34:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8aeN-3MN000-08-EAK; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:23:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8aeN-3MN000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:23:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8aeM-0003fX-3R for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:23:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95663AC5662; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:23:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05866-02; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:23:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57A6BAC5738; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:23:11 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:22:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47703AC5726 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05734-04 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.arachsys.com (alpha.arachsys.com [91.203.57.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB30FAC5663 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:22:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from 88-97-41-154.dsl.zen.co.uk ([88.97.41.154] helo=lab) by alpha.arachsys.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1L8ada-0001TD-RU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:22:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Torrens (lists)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:22:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS Message-ID: <5008ee3b88Lists@Torrens.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5008e27ceeLists@Torrens.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1180 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Lists@Torrens.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=Q2MTwp5kAAAA:8 a=j43SQtlsAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=SdDAPtKNNTsO7EvpRkAA:9 a=NTt3gGzvbjBZEDUP0isA:7 a=Es66d9pvlae6Tlc8mZRpOocJc4YA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=VxUI2nV9v0QeNBYa:21 a=e0vks-__fghwPFST:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1831] In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <5008e27ceeLists@Torrens.org.uk>, "Torrens (lists)" > writes > >How do I create a (zip) file that may be encrypted? > >Can't find it in the instructions. > You can't, zip encryption is not supported. OK: the (zip) was bracketed. Can't create a Sparc encryped file either. I created new/arc, CTRL drag to SparkFS. Window opens. DES. Password. Return. Nothing happens! Drag in a file, it is not encrypted. > I always feel there is room for an upgrade to zips, add rename, > encryption and the new compression format. If you do, sure there are folks here that would willingly pay an update charge.... Been using it for a long, long time for the original =A325. It would be _very_ nice if archives opened via share worked properly, but I think that's a filer thing, not anything you can do about it in SparkFS? --=20 Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more! To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 5 17:50:55 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8bHQ-2G6000-02-DXH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:50:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8bHQ-2G6000-02-DXH; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:03:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8bHQ-2G6000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:03:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8bHP-00078M-K8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:03:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A444AC42E6; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10047-08; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3B32AC4595; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:03:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07EDBAC42E6 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09936-10 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0480AC3EF5 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L8bGl-0000DS-iV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:02:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:02:47 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS References: <5008e27ceeLists@Torrens.org.uk> <5008ee3b88Lists@Torrens.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <5008ee3b88Lists@Torrens.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1181 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=h3967bYzUJvYmR8O1lUA:9 a=E8MfNoNgytvtOlaHOUEA:7 a=Hw9j1A2cq0By5rtYlpyuywi4ubAA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=0SjnF8M-7ehQi8o-:21 a=dvzRWlvo8vo5bCNK:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1831] In message <5008ee3b88Lists@Torrens.org.uk>, "Torrens (lists)" writes >OK: the (zip) was bracketed. Can't create a Sparc encryped file either. >I created new/arc, CTRL drag to SparkFS. Window opens. DES. Password. >Return. Nothing happens! Drag in a file, it is not encrypted. No it does work, however the way it works has been a constant source of confusion. You set a password for an archive file, anything that is then added is encrypted and anything extracted is decrypted. You only see something if you turn off the password and attempt to extract something which had previously been added with a password set - at that point SparkFS will complain about corruption. People have often assumed that setting a password would encrypt the entire archive contents immediately, or that there was a flag somewhere that says "this file is encrypted". It doesn't work that way. Garble is easily broken - about 5 seconds without using any special software. These days there are things like PGP available which you can apply to the whole archive. >It would be _very_ nice if archives opened via share worked properly, but >I think that's a filer thing, not anything you can do about it in SparkFS? I'm not sure about what the specific problem is. It is not a filer problem because everything is going on a file system level. Some network file systems did have problems with archives (actually image files), perhaps others work. You might get around the problem by turning off image file system support in SparkFS. But anyway the problem is out of my domain. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 5 17:50:55 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8bdV-4W2Vbs-08-DBC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:50:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8bdV-4W2Vbs-08-DBC; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:26:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8bdV-4W2Vbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:26:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8bdL-0004vW-JX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:26:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDDC6AC56D7; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12835-10; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8369FAC567C; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:24:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E644AC56D7 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:24:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12708-08 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:24:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0326EAC547A for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so13171uge.11 for ; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.232.10 with SMTP id e10mr44535ugh.70.1228487064036; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac334c1.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d38sm861002ugf.11.2008.12.05.06.24.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:24:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49393994.4040703@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:24:20 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript and PDF References: <49381CCE.5010806@ed.ac.uk> <4938E4D0.8030201@ed.ac.uk> <6RCkN+DH$ROJFwYL@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6RCkN+DH$ROJFwYL@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1182 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EiLUo8dQm7cA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Dj7HGPYXXfa_mUuCUekA:9 a=2ZXKH-kudFvtfEdmPpQA:7 a=enEf8HHmAKg6EZadfwo5AV6tPfQA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=SRSIJYbcaHh3snr_:21 a=pVNq4E6ShrQ_EClY:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1831] David Pilling wrote: > In message <4938E4D0.8030201@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> "The font OP_Times_New_Roman is missing. Affected text will be >> displayed using a substitute font. > My recollection is support of the font substitution table (but this has > to be "hacked" there is no documented method for Windows and so results > are not certain) and that I made all names (even substituted fonts) of > the form OP_XXX (which is something I could have avoided). My notes say > "fonts in printers won't have Unicode glyphs so download if any are used". > > I've not observed font substitution today, and it is easy to see font > definitions in the PostScript, looks like: > > %%BeginResource: Font OP_Arial > %!FontType1-1.0: OP_Arial > %%Creator: Ovation Pro > 12 dict begin > /FontType 1 def > /FontName /OP_Arial def > /FontMatrix [0.001 0 0 0.001 0 0] def > /FontBBox [0 -211 2664 905] def > /Encoding DPL_Latin1Encoding def I can see the font definitions in the DirectPS output, and I've also determined that the fonts ARE being embedded in the PDF. This is also true of the PDFs made from PS files generated via Windows. So, considering the DirectPS and WindowsPS outputs for the same document ... font embedding in the resulting PDFs shows up (in Acrobat>Document>Properties) as, e.g. WindowsPS -> PDF: TimesNewRoman (Embedded Subset) Type: True Type [or True Type (CID)] Encoding: Ansi [or Identity-H or Roman] DirectPS -> PDF: TimesNewRoman (Embedded Subset) Type: Type 1* Encoding: Custom (* PostScript font, I presume ... red italic "a" adjacent to font description) So, it looks as tho' Acrobat will allow editing of PDFs using the embedded TT fonts (or substituted fonts resident on the system?), but not the embedded OP fonts. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 5 17:50:56 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8c22-1oEVbs-03-Cmf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:50:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8c22-1oEVbs-03-Cmf; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:51:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8c22-1oEVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:51:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8c22-0000P0-6q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:51:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A92F3AC57F1; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:51:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16778-08; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:51:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55080AC57F9; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:51:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:51:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4EBE5AC57F1 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16649-07 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha.arachsys.com (alpha.arachsys.com [91.203.57.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15E95AC5763 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from 88-97-41-154.dsl.zen.co.uk ([88.97.41.154] helo=lab) by alpha.arachsys.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1L8c1O-00070g-Gy for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:51:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Torrens (lists)" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:39:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS Message-ID: <5008f549d4Lists@Torrens.org.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5008e27ceeLists@Torrens.org.uk> <5008ee3b88Lists@Torrens.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1183 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Lists@Torrens.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=Q2MTwp5kAAAA:8 a=j43SQtlsAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=djRr0eb4F6KIt4MkDxcA:9 a=TlZetzHuQj8xFajxjTkA:7 a=uOJhoReTbh0sqgq0NQS6UNYdE-8A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=jwK6YN7sHlM8Z43k:21 a=PE90AUZHI4Pd6Y7f:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1831] In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <5008ee3b88Lists@Torrens.org.uk>, "Torrens (lists)" > writes > >OK: the (zip) was bracketed. Can't create a Sparc encryped file either. > >I created new/arc, CTRL drag to SparkFS. Window opens. DES. Password. > >Return. Nothing happens! Drag in a file, it is not encrypted. > No it does work, however the way it works has been a constant source of > confusion. You set a password for an archive file, anything that is then > added is encrypted and anything extracted is decrypted. You only see > something if you turn off the password and attempt to extract something > which had previously been added with a password set - at that point > SparkFS will complain about corruption. OK. That "delete the password" bit is what's missing from the manual. I'd tried Forget etc with no luck. > >It would be _very_ nice if archives opened via share worked properly, > >but I think that's a filer thing, not anything you can do about it in > >SparkFS? > I'm not sure about what the specific problem is. I think it's do do with a remote archive is open locally and remotely. Certainly you can't fix it by locally closing the archive. > It is not a filer problem because everything is going on a file system > level. Some network file systems did have problems with archives > (actually image files), perhaps others work. You might get around the > problem by turning off image file system support in SparkFS. Locally, remotely or both? Main problem I have is remembering I'm opening an archive which is remote - Share is so transparent! > But anyway the problem is out of my domain. Hmmm.. Sure you still have some influence with ROL... But I suspect physical threats would do more! Maybe ROOL will cure it one day. -- Richard Torrens. http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats and more! 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(5ac334c1.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm934410ugh.10.2008.12.05.08.06.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:06:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49395188.1060105@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:06:32 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] OPW - Tabs, hanging indents, and justification Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1184 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=aE4JngaQi7oA:10 a=YjGZtLoqhVAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-M7X12OfK58cfoyFmI4A:9 a=hvt6W8a-RNKacduVP8cA:7 a=3ZUOoxrvQT1wK8z6N7CPOZi6GeAA:4 a=oqs56FR1YJwA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1831] Sorry to be a pest, but I have another question. In a series of paragraphs (a numbered list) such as the following ... 1.Text(enhanced justification/auto-hyphenation/auto-kerning) Text cont. 2.Text(enhanced justification/auto-hyphenation/auto-kerning) Text cont. ETC. ... I have the impression that justification takes precedence over tabs, so that the beginning of the text on the first line of each paragraph is not always aligned exactly to the 4mm position. The effect may be accentuated because my text is organized in columns 86mm wide. The effect is not just visible on screen, it also appears in PDFs created from a document. Is there a way to get text to align exactly to the indent position, whilst still keeping enhanced justification on? Apologies if this has been covered previously on this list. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 5 18:05:54 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8f1I-3O0Vbs-08-9nP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:05:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8f1I-3O0Vbs-08-9nP; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:03:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8f1I-3O0Vbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:03:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8f1C-0006RS-SI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:03:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D85A2AC5F34; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07788-10; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B5A6AC618D; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:02:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A130AC5F34 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07684-06 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C1EDAC3E3E for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:02:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L8f0Q-0000WX-jG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:02:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:01:11 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Tabs, hanging indents, and justification References: <49395188.1060105@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49395188.1060105@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1185 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=dkYzm_fRKYgA:10 a=FZ73DJbjrYsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=BjElj34ZThlkXS5QjUAA:7 a=dxlxAA8987_F6lvJLHrMFdp5XxcA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=A_LcUI6J0QF_5syM:21 a=MkeYGB-fE2UCCKUa:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1832] In message <49395188.1060105@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Is there a way to get text to align exactly to the indent position, >whilst still keeping enhanced justification on? Apologies if this has >been covered previously on this list. I think the situation is that tabs and justification (of any kind) are not compatible and you'll get unreliable results. This goes back a long way, my thoughts were that tabs and justification don't make sense together, however Chris Ford pointed out that the correct behaviour is to justify the text after the last tab stop. One day I may do that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 5 18:20:54 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8f7D-4AtVbs-08-9hU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:20:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8f7D-4AtVbs-08-9hU; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:09:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8f7D-4AtVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:09:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8f71-0000Nw-Ob for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:09:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C583AC551E; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08258-02; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2008AC5708; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:08:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3ECDFAC575B for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08130-01 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02431AC316D for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:08:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L8f6I-0000Ni-cP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:08:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 18:07:05 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS References: <5008e27ceeLists@Torrens.org.uk> <5008ee3b88Lists@Torrens.org.uk> <5008f549d4Lists@Torrens.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <5008f549d4Lists@Torrens.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1186 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=a1LOa-HPXVG075hcQEQA:9 a=lfcwWpLIWAYhsNsp8sIA:7 a=cV6gxd86FE-is8ecZyy7pOCVudcA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=j-OqRtWL5sfIRAqA:21 a=RVDfdqxtp5HZGa5M:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1832] In message <5008f549d4Lists@Torrens.org.uk>, "Torrens (lists)" writes >tried Forget etc with no luck. Forget tells SparkFS to forget the archive. >> (actually image files), perhaps others work. You might get around the >> problem by turning off image file system support in SparkFS. >Locally, remotely or both? I wasn't thinking about sharing files between two RISC OS machines. To be honest I don't know how that works with image files. I think only one SparkFS will be involved though. Turn off the remote one, and you're sure the local one will open the archive. >Hmmm.. Sure you still have some influence with ROL... But I suspect >physical threats would do more! Maybe ROOL will cure it one day. Always interesting how people outside visualise what goes on inside any organisation. I think we're friends (ROSL and me) but over the 10 years interaction has been close to zero. I had more to do with Castle. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 5 19:50:57 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8gav-1Z5GPo-02-GkI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 19:50:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8gav-1Z5GPo-02-GkI; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:44:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8gav-1Z5GPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:44:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8gaq-0006sl-Lx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:44:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83DADAC5B38; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18989-03; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45747AC5D0C; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:43:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3768AAC5B38 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:43:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18767-06 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:43:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D314AC316D for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 14:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so100753uge.11 for ; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:43:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.115.15 with SMTP id s15mr43488ugm.56.1228506203784; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:43:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac334c1.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s8sm1272355uge.18.2008.12.05.11.43.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:43:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 19:43:20 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Tabs, hanging indents, and justification Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49395188.1060105@ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1187 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=dkYzm_fRKYgA:10 a=FZ73DJbjrYsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=cdzq9bep8hEwnzWKtuUA:9 a=DgjhcqgyCZkCrKh9It8A:7 a=CujQi9DvJT5js_bCpThDhcPZayAA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=25ZaoD6FjXXFF4KS:21 a=ZCOh_c60hCLCy73A:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1832] On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:01:11 -0000, David Pilling wrote: > In message <49395188.1060105@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > >> Is there a way to get text to align exactly to the indent position, >> whilst still keeping enhanced justification on? Apologies if this has >> been covered previously on this list. > > I think the situation is that tabs and justification (of any kind) are > not compatible and you'll get unreliable results. > > This goes back a long way, my thoughts were that tabs and justification > don't make sense together, however Chris Ford pointed out that the > correct behaviour is to justify the text after the last tab stop. One > day I may do that. Fine ... it's not a serious problem. But it's something I've noticed from time to time. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 6 15:44:11 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8ido-3J6Vbs-06-EhP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:44:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8ido-3J6Vbs-06-EhP; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:55:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8ido-3J6Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:55:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8idn-0005mW-JF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:55:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE316AC5B32; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04045-04; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85052AC64EF; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:54:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5E2BAC5B32 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03940-05 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A079CAC5324 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L8id9-0004Uh-bA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:54:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:53:16 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript and PDF References: <49381CCE.5010806@ed.ac.uk> <4938E4D0.8030201@ed.ac.uk> <6RCkN+DH$ROJFwYL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49393994.4040703@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49393994.4040703@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1188 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EiLUo8dQm7cA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=MEwr0AVIAAAA:8 a=Qwrq3YSJAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=r56QsHrBB0F0j7rPeIgA:9 a=FnuL1-LGz38LmRw7N7UA:7 a=6xjDw1R_2oDISX9QZPrvWT3UwG0A:4 a=I2EqgwFF2xUA:10 a=sAtPLzhSDrflDS63:21 a=LJKgrjvLQZavP5Vf:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1832] I looked up the problem about not being to edit the PDFs on Google: http://software-robotics.com/adobe_acrobat_pdf_embed_font.php http://forums.macosxhints.com/archive/index.php/t-66909.html There are a lot more. One quote I found is: "Be warned also that you cannot edit text if the font is not installed on your system, even if the font is embedded in the PDF file. (This nasty restriction is a new "feature" in Acrobat 6...) ". I have also read there's a way of linking names of fonts in the PDF to fonts on your system. By now, you've covered the same ground. Subsetting looms large, and they say there is a font menu that shows you what fonts are available. It gets more complicated. Tonnie Demarteau has just reminded me that OPW uses a custom encoding - this is to handle the legacy character set from RISC OS. When I was developing the direct PS code, one episode involved not being able to save text from a PDF using Adobe reader, again due to the encoding, to resolve this fonts are declared as symbol fonts. All this stuff is not optional, PostScript is based on bytes, i.e. 256 characters, in general a Unicode document will use more than 256 characters, the way around this is to generate multiple versions of fonts. I've still to sort out what OPW is doing with the font substitution table - more about that later. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 6 15:44:13 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8izP-27gVbs-03-ELo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:44:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8izP-27gVbs-03-ELo; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:17:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8izP-27gVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:17:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8izK-0000gk-Es for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:17:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6376AC65BD; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:17:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06206-04; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:17:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B5C3AC65B5; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:17:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:16:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 755F8AC654A for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06091-07 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from eir.is.scarlet.be (eir.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.27]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 264EAAC6534 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbes (ip-81-11-162-183.dsl.scarlet.be [81.11.162.183]) by eir.is.scarlet.be (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB5MGn3B011007 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2008 23:16:49 +0100 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:16:30 +0200 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript and PDF Message-ID: <68221f0950.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> References: <49381CCE.5010806@ed.ac.uk> <4938E4D0.8030201@ed.ac.uk> <6RCkN+DH$ROJFwYL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49393994.4040703@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: eir 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1189 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EiLUo8dQm7cA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=RqOAJGx8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=n05va4osHCKFnp0Gs5YA:9 a=ZRKFLy4zjke_35kdGtMA:7 a=Dtjc-RpESPOcth1xKtrRC9bUrVkA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1832] In message you wrote: > It gets more complicated. Tonnie Demarteau has just reminded me that OPW > uses a custom encoding - this is to handle the legacy character set from > RISC OS. When I was developing the direct PS code, one episode involved > not being able to save text from a PDF using Adobe reader, again due to > the encoding, to resolve this fonts are declared as symbol fonts. > > All this stuff is not optional, PostScript is based on bytes, i.e. 256 > characters, in general a Unicode document will use more than 256 > characters, the way around this is to generate multiple versions of > fonts. You could have used CID font technology which does not have a 256 character limitation. Together with a ToUnicode mapping () it makes text in a PDF file (after distilling your PS file) searchable and extractable again. John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 6 15:44:19 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8uef-3xS000-07-BD4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:44:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8uef-3xS000-07-BD4; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:44:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8uef-3xS000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:44:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8uee-00075n-WD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:44:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C475AC60BC; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 05:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32249-04; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 05:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36105AC63C6; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 05:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:44:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BF59AC60BC for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 05:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32112-02 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 05:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from server3.spellings.net (server3.spellings.net [78.110.163.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36EAAAC5B59 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 05:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from 77-102-224-176.cable.ubr17.croy.blueyonder.co.uk ([77.102.224.176] helo=Shuttle) by server3.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L8udo-0007zI-6B for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:44:04 +0000 Message-ID: <74545DAA66FE499AADA921CDC0D90270@Shuttle> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <49395188.1060105@ed.ac.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Tabs, hanging indents, and justification Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:44:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-ID: 1L8udo-0007zI-6B X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server3.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goatly.co.uk X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1190 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=dkYzm_fRKYgA:10 a=FZ73DJbjrYsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ViTFN7DdpZP3zo53-m0A:9 a=M8q-b8FcjbsQGOPf030A:7 a=dif6D9yJeV4dBuyElxV5M2shlIAA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1832] David Pilling wrote: > I think the situation is that tabs and justification (of any kind) > are > not compatible and you'll get unreliable results. > > This goes back a long way, my thoughts were that tabs and > justification don't make sense together, however Chris Ford pointed > out that the correct behaviour is to justify the text after the last > tab stop. One day I may do that. Heh. Funny thing - I did exactly that when I wrote FontStyle for the BBC Micro back in 1988... But that's a bit off topic here, I suspect. Bruce To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 6 15:44:20 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8uk9-1rz000-06-B7a.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:44:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8uk9-1rz000-06-B7a; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:50:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8uk9-1rz000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:50:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8uk9-0006Uy-4o for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:50:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92918AC648C; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 05:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00485-08; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 05:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B91EAC64C5; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 05:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 05:49:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9E1DAC648C for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 05:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00407-02 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 05:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A845AC6455 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 05:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so225450uge.11 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.27.3 with SMTP id e3mr494703ugj.85.1228560596705; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac334c1.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y6sm946365uge.28.2008.12.06.02.49.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:49:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493A58D2.5000609@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:49:54 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Tabs, hanging indents, and justification References: <49395188.1060105@ed.ac.uk> <74545DAA66FE499AADA921CDC0D90270@Shuttle> In-Reply-To: <74545DAA66FE499AADA921CDC0D90270@Shuttle> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1191 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=dkYzm_fRKYgA:10 a=FZ73DJbjrYsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sEBKDytQ1vGVVVHqMlQA:9 a=A4za5mMFcxbxrVD2XJMA:7 a=o0i8uMFHCRBQfNtgmYV2jFT8PbMA:4 a=xfNXT5P86egA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1832] Bruce Goatly wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > >> I think the situation is that tabs and justification (of any kind) >> are >> not compatible and you'll get unreliable results. >> >> This goes back a long way, my thoughts were that tabs and >> justification don't make sense together, however Chris Ford pointed >> out that the correct behaviour is to justify the text after the last >> tab stop. One day I may do that. > > Heh. Funny thing - I did exactly that when I wrote FontStyle for the > BBC Micro back in 1988... But that's a bit off topic here, I suspect. ... and not much help to me ;) -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 6 15:44:20 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8v4e-0io000-03-An5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:44:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8v4e-0io000-03-An5; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 11:11:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8v4e-0io000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 11:11:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8v4e-0006JL-Da for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 11:11:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3C7FAC64C8; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02313-01; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9021FAC64A9; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 06:11:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B5DFAC5AF8 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01943-10 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27745AC5AC7 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so228009uge.11 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:11:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.233.14 with SMTP id f14mr552651ugh.11.1228561868787; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac334c1.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm994374ugh.10.2008.12.06.03.11.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 03:11:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493A5DCA.6020308@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 11:11:06 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Transparent GIFs, PostScript and PDF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1192 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=abzR96rjrjQA:10 a=kO0hIoKDvoMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=N2aYm0cp_Ym_G-lwikIA:9 a=mWMJjgWc0Ymhr5IgIN0A:7 a=JnxS2Epy28OsW1ExyjRk7dYZl2AA:4 a=3I_whO4B8K8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.14/1832] Just to put another cat among the pigeons ... Consider a transparent GIF (B&W image on a transparent background) placed in a picture frame within an OPW document. 1. Print to file with DirectPS selected (overprint off) and image appears in the PDF as it should -- except I have an uneditable PDF, which in this case is not what I want. 2. Print to Acrobat Distiller (or to file with DirectPS off, and then to Distiller) and the picture appears in the PDF as a BLACK rectangle. 3. Drop the GIF into MSWORD and print to Acrobat Distiller (same settings as above) and the image is visible in the PDF. So, why am I getting the black rectangle using method 2? Can anyone suggest how to resolve the problem and still get an editable PDF? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 6 16:14:10 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8zbq-4J2000-02-EmP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:14:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8zbq-4J2000-02-EmP; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:02:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8zbq-4J2000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:02:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8zbp-0006u0-Er for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:02:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E07C1AC5FC8; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23524-05; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EDBEAC63AF; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 11:01:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CDE8AC5FC8 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23368-10 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29DE1AC552F for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L8zbC-0001B2-aQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:01:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:00:11 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transparent GIFs, PostScript and PDF References: <493A5DCA.6020308@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <493A5DCA.6020308@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1193 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fxyOcFe7eaIA:10 a=3sLFWX4HHIsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=V8s200DubahiI4RQcV0A:9 a=UUPmZMCFKHAUlnAwXPAA:7 a=Bt9U-TSm_bS1PQ080zDNYUMU3v8A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=yudxXVjJ-w1E8aT5:21 a=mQvwX1_fVewMc-2n:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.15/1833] In message <493A5DCA.6020308@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Consider a transparent GIF (B&W image on a transparent background) >placed in a picture frame within an OPW document. Forget "GIF", the question is an image with a transparency mask. >So, why am I getting the black rectangle using method 2? Can anyone >suggest how to resolve the problem and still get an editable PDF? One idea is this, how do you print an image with a mask? Originally windows didn't support them, the only way to render such images was to print them twice using exclusive OR plotting. However that doesn't work on all printer drivers - in particular not on PostScript. Later versions of Windows *do* support masked images - why don't I use this support? Well because not all printer drivers support them. Somewhere along the way I used the new functions and got complaints about printing not working. It seems obvious that it would be a good idea to use the new support for masked images when printing to a PostScript driver, since there is nothing to lose, and I'll see about making that change now. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 6 16:14:10 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L8zcZ-1MKVbs-07-Elg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:14:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L8zcZ-1MKVbs-07-Elg; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:03:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L8zcZ-1MKVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:03:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L8zcU-0003yE-CN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:03:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DFBCCAC5FB9; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23651-09; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C33FAC58BE; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 11:02:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDB82AC643E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23498-10 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88794AC640E for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L8zbq-0007XO-Xb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:02:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:01:22 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript and PDF References: <49381CCE.5010806@ed.ac.uk> <4938E4D0.8030201@ed.ac.uk> <6RCkN+DH$ROJFwYL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49393994.4040703@ed.ac.uk> <68221f0950.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> In-Reply-To: <68221f0950.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1194 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EiLUo8dQm7cA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=RqOAJGx8AAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GVZV6_yS-ZsyUrLYitUA:9 a=NQdjX0wCcE2aHkpjUMkA:7 a=UNtQuaGKubsPmjFw9mYAz0Y9qcgA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=-Kt7EO4w9yT2Javo:21 a=A2GXJPHRs9HLE41z:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.15/1833] In message <68221f0950.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com>, John Tytgat writes >You could have used CID font technology which does not have a 256 character >limitation. Together with a ToUnicode mapping >() >it makes text in a PDF file (after distilling your PS file) searchable and >extractable again. Thank you. That sounds like a good idea. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 6 22:14:22 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L95Bp-3cDVbs-06-9CQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:14:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L95Bp-3cDVbs-06-9CQ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:59:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L95Bp-3cDVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:59:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L95Bj-0004rZ-2e for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:59:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A75FAC1E6D; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:58:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22551-03; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:58:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F16CDAC117A; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:58:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:57:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2945AC5FA1 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21881-04 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F5CFAC5DC5 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so341730uge.11 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:57:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.26.7 with SMTP id d7mr936005ugj.16.1228600651459; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:57:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac334c1.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x37sm1817266ugc.50.2008.12.06.13.57.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:57:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493AF548.3050104@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:57:28 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transparent GIFs, PostScript and PDF References: <493A5DCA.6020308@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1195 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fxyOcFe7eaIA:10 a=3sLFWX4HHIsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kRvhjXuP5Sb_zgpJZ5gA:9 a=5RbrbJOoZcsvHLj2CLEA:7 a=Twy_zLMooTh90xZ4-KnjckJrtVMA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.15/1833] David Pilling wrote: > In message <493A5DCA.6020308@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Consider a transparent GIF (B&W image on a transparent background) >> placed in a picture frame within an OPW document. > > Forget "GIF", the question is an image with a transparency mask. I thought transparency was more or less restricted to GIF and PNG (and RISCOS sprite). >> So, why am I getting the black rectangle using method 2? Can anyone >> suggest how to resolve the problem and still get an editable PDF? > > One idea is this, how do you print an image with a mask? Originally > windows didn't support them ... > > Later versions of Windows *do* support masked images - why don't I use > this support? Well because not all printer drivers support them. At first I thought it might be the type of image or transparency that was the problem, and trawled the Internet for hours looking for a solution. Nothing worked, so in a way I'm relieved to know it's a limitation within OPW. > It seems obvious that it would be a good idea to use the new support for > masked images when printing to a PostScript driver, since there is > nothing to lose, and I'll see about making that change now. Thanks, that would certainly be useful. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 7 11:52:19 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L95ct-05sGPo-06-8lM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:52:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L95ct-05sGPo-06-8lM; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:27:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L95ct-05sGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:27:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L95cm-0000kR-UX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:27:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90C7BAC1096; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:27:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25081-08; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:27:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3F68AC025D; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:27:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:27:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0242EAC5878 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24950-09 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:27:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C65E4AC3F62 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:27:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L95c8-0004d5-oj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:27:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:25:43 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transparent GIFs, PostScript and PDF References: <493A5DCA.6020308@ed.ac.uk> <493AF548.3050104@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <493AF548.3050104@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1196 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fxyOcFe7eaIA:10 a=3sLFWX4HHIsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=eX3X0Es1IEIPtJe1_ZIA:7 a=_3IsiT8ubaYFPDOLe6FBZQZgRWUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=bQEwmALbZ2oSZFdZ:21 a=M5zHSL4F9gyNG08m:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.15/1834] In message <493AF548.3050104@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >I thought transparency was more or less restricted to GIF and PNG (and >RISCOS sprite). and TIFF >problem, and trawled the Internet for hours looking for a solution. >Nothing worked, so in a way I'm relieved to know it's a limitation >within OPW. Well... >> It seems obvious that it would be a good idea to use the new support >>for masked images when printing to a PostScript driver, since there is >>nothing to lose, and I'll see about making that change now. >Thanks, that would certainly be useful. OK, I've done this, and it is a great improvement. What has not been mentioned is that a transparent bitmap is equivalent to a rotated or skewed bitmap so they suffer from the same problems. I said "well" above because the limitation is that the new functions are only in Windows NT/2K/XP/Vista, the other branch of the Windows family does not support them. This is not the problem it would have been a few years back. I'll upload the new version on Sunday - give me time to think about what I have done. I'll say here when the new version is available. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 7 11:52:20 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L960R-0dZ000-07-GuK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:52:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L960R-0dZ000-07-GuK; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:52:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L960R-0dZ000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:52:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L960Q-0004Ag-G0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:52:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A580AC5F9A; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27922-06; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B3DDAC5BBC; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:51:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66CB2AC5F9A for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:51:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27874-02 for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:51:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BAD1AAC5BBC for ; Sat, 6 Dec 2008 17:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so347237uge.11 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:51:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.216.7 with SMTP id o7mr915723ugg.83.1228603890395; Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:51:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac334c1.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm1859560uga.49.2008.12.06.14.51.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:51:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:51:27 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transparent GIFs, PostScript and PDF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <493A5DCA.6020308@ed.ac.uk> <493AF548.3050104@ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1197 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fxyOcFe7eaIA:10 a=3sLFWX4HHIsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=b6YtynffyfAVcpHBwo8A:9 a=7GYeNWALOTrtThWf98oA:7 a=ezXwk8HFH4ok3uxw8fOFhBO0l-cA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=biJfHagq8YKbr3XA:21 a=6QfXbwWb6wqDYEwf:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.15/1834] On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:25:43 -0000, David Pilling wrote: > In message <493AF548.3050104@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> I thought transparency was more or less restricted to GIF and PNG (and >> RISCOS sprite). > > and TIFF > >> problem, and trawled the Internet for hours looking for a solution. >> Nothing worked, so in a way I'm relieved to know it's a limitation >> within OPW. > > Well... > >>> It seems obvious that it would be a good idea to use the new support >>> for masked images when printing to a PostScript driver, since there is >>> nothing to lose, and I'll see about making that change now. >> Thanks, that would certainly be useful. > > OK, I've done this, and it is a great improvement.I'll upload the new > version on Sunday - give me time to think about what I have done. I'll > say here when the new version is available. Wonderful. Thanks. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 7 18:47:03 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L9OdT-34bknw-07-FKK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:47:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L9OdT-34bknw-07-FKK; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:45:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L9OdT-34bknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:45:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L9OdO-000790-8x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:45:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCA2EACB12A; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23855-07; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DCFBACB127; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:44:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 071F9ACB137 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:44:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23743-04 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD853ACB153 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:44:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L9Ocd-0004bF-fF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:44:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:43:20 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transparent GIFs, PostScript and PDF References: <493A5DCA.6020308@ed.ac.uk> <493AF548.3050104@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1198 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fxyOcFe7eaIA:10 a=3sLFWX4HHIsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=HxV8oG8QB1H0Y184tQUA:9 a=ltOYW8I2B32XVURaW84A:7 a=gyjBJEcmUc1bJ-Zvktk-nEyhz-YA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=unWwQaAR__GkE852:21 a=40AALlP3vmhLLnKa:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.15/1835] In message , Clive Bonsall writes >>on Sunday - give me time to think about what I have done. I'll say >>here when the new version is available. This has, in the light of day, gone wrong. I've uploaded a new version to: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe I've not changed the information on the web pages but the program info should show 7th. December 2008. Please will you download it and see if masked printing now works. It might, however I've failed to see it work, that could be because the Windows PS drivers available to me do not support the necessary functions. In other words results will depend on how good your PS driver is - different results on different drivers. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 9 12:18:39 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LA16B-1na000-06-Axg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:18:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LA16B-1na000-06-Axg; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:49:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LA16B-1na000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:49:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LA16B-0003wz-0H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:49:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DC69ADBD8D; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21668-04; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20143ADBD47; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:49:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F385ADBD76 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21409-01 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D8A8ADBD7A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LA15V-00000H-bP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:49:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:48:01 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transparent GIFs, PostScript and PDF References: <493A5DCA.6020308@ed.ac.uk> <493AF548.3050104@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1199 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fxyOcFe7eaIA:10 a=3sLFWX4HHIsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=eyuC09VvzmA1OL5_1FAA:7 a=jh8UhY0z1SCjo1UvXVaooSoHiMYA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=cCqoMFWsZA2_fHJA:21 a=szsFBuzE7hjHS5ph:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.15/1839] In message , David Pilling writes >In message , Clive Bonsall > writes >>>on Sunday - give me time to think about what I have done. I'll say >>>here when the new version is available. > >This has, in the light of day, gone wrong. I've uploaded a new version >to: Just a few more thoughts on the subject of printing masked (transparent) images on Windows using the Windows PostScript printer drivers. The function which Windows provides to do this is called PlgBlt() I've tried a few different PostScript drivers and none of them seem to implement PlgBlt() correctly - this is not a surprise because these printer drivers are probably built around MicroSoft's own PS driver code. I did try printing a masked image from OpenOffice (to PostScript) and that worked. Looking at the PostScript generated I would guess the image was printed as a lot of small tiles - a trick a bit like the one RISC OS uses. I conclude from all this that I could do better, adopt the same technique as OpenOffice when printing using the Windows driver. You can also conclude that OPW's direct postscript does a much better job than the Windows driver... ...and that MS have not been spending your billions of dollars on producing software 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 9 18:03:22 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LA45G-17MVbs-03-GV7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:03:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LA45G-17MVbs-03-GV7; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:01:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LA45G-17MVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:01:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LA454-00063O-4k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:01:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53771AD9D36; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30374-04-6; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F390DADC5A1; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 10:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 09:59:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAE0EADAD39 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30253-03 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43409ADA615 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so976118uge.11 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.116.18 with SMTP id t18mr3331037ugm.52.1228834732777; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac334a0.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.160]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j3sm7060900ugd.19.2008.12.09.06.58.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:58:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:58:49 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transparent GIFs, PostScript and PDF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <493A5DCA.6020308@ed.ac.uk> <493AF548.3050104@ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1200 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fxyOcFe7eaIA:10 a=3sLFWX4HHIsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=U6c7HcSoFtTxPxdI_xcA:9 a=qDxVDG-0SI67qPgdrlkA:7 a=nptKFMjNhJ83E1L2udfyJDQTT-8A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=4MLsuH70GrPAg_Au:21 a=favzpNgeJ8BdSK1D:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.15/1839] On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:48:01 -0000, David Pilling wrote: > In message , David Pilling > writes >> In message , Clive Bonsall >> writes >>>> on Sunday - give me time to think about what I have done. I'll say >>>> here when the new version is available. >> >> This has, in the light of day, gone wrong. I've uploaded a new version >> to: I didn't get an email about a new version. But I see there's now one dated 7th December 2008, tho' I don't know what changes it incorporates. > Just a few more thoughts on the subject of printing masked (transparent) > images on Windows using the Windows PostScript printer drivers. The > function which Windows provides to do this is called PlgBlt() > > I've tried a few different PostScript drivers and none of them seem to > implement PlgBlt() correctly - this is not a surprise because these > printer drivers are probably built around MicroSoft's own PS driver code. > > I did try printing a masked image from OpenOffice (to PostScript) and > that worked. > > Looking at the PostScript generated I would guess the image was printed > as a lot of small tiles - a trick a bit like the one RISC OS uses. > > I conclude from all this that I could do better, adopt the same > technique as OpenOffice when printing using the Windows driver. > > You can also conclude that OPW's direct postscript does a much better > job than the Windows driver... Indeed, tho' the font/pdf editing problem remains. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 9 18:33:20 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LA70q-2eP000-03-DZX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:33:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LA70q-2eP000-03-DZX; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:08:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LA70q-2eP000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:08:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LA70m-0006FP-2j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:08:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91481ADE5D3; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13004-04; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7857CADE455; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:08:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:08:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC4B9ADE5C6 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12827-05 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75ED7ADE56A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LA707-0000vu-kA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:08:03 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:06:36 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transparent GIFs, PostScript and PDF References: <493A5DCA.6020308@ed.ac.uk> <493AF548.3050104@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1201 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fxyOcFe7eaIA:10 a=3sLFWX4HHIsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=HxV8oG8QB1H0Y184tQUA:9 a=KBfHQ8IG9D5vh2qXTXkA:7 a=VH4q1gVhisV_z6De5rYOappvaS4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=QNQmAy7D8frlWaP2:21 a=kw7dsU7dxvpo2B6I:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.15/1839] In message , Clive Bonsall writes >On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:48:01 -0000, David Pilling > wrote: > >> In message , David Pilling >> writes >>> In message , Clive Bonsall >>> writes >>>>> on Sunday - give me time to think about what I have done. I'll >>>>>here when the new version is available. >>> >>> This has, in the light of day, gone wrong. I've uploaded a new >>>version to: > >I didn't get an email about a new version. But I see there's now one >dated 7th December 2008, tho' I don't know what changes it >incorporates. I sent the following to the list on Sunday, and I saw it come back. ==================================================== This has, in the light of day, gone wrong. I've uploaded a new version to: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe I've not changed the information on the web pages but the program info should show 7th. December 2008. Please will you download it and see if masked printing now works. It might, however I've failed to see it work, that could be because the Windows PS drivers available to me do not support the necessary functions. In other words results will depend on how good your PS driver is - different results on different drivers. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 9 21:03:25 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LA9i0-2ofGPo-02-AsN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:03:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LA9i0-2ofGPo-02-AsN; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:01:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LA9i0-2ofGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:01:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LA9hu-0002e6-Pj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:01:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33F77ADF48D; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22262-01; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF553ADF40D; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:00:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1EE09ADF3DD for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22085-02 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from hel.is.scarlet.be (hel.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BAC4ADF347 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbes (ip-81-11-179-54.dsl.scarlet.be [81.11.179.54]) by hel.is.scarlet.be (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mB9L0jfu014534 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:00:46 +0100 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:00:15 +0200 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transparent GIFs, PostScript and PDF Message-ID: <3f7f270b50.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> References: <493A5DCA.6020308@ed.ac.uk> <493AF548.3050104@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.14) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1202 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fxyOcFe7eaIA:10 a=3sLFWX4HHIsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=n05va4osHCKFnp0Gs5YA:9 a=U4SC_8VdzQ-qp8fbT24A:7 a=_53Njfu-Ki6OSeINXyyCaU0MK_cA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=z_k1oz4rA5YCXTgs:21 a=JQW9jH8eFI_UboJ9:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.15/1839] In message you wrote: > I did try printing a masked image from OpenOffice (to PostScript) and > that worked. > > Looking at the PostScript generated I would guess the image was printed > as a lot of small tiles - a trick a bit like the one RISC OS uses. Which is terrible trick as this gives a lot of reliability problems when printing or distilling. Actually this is the number one problem with the current RISC OS PostScript printer driver and this for many years. The right solution is to use PostScript 3 masked images, a construction which is also possible in PDF. I don't think we should be worried about supporting PostScript Level 2 printers which do not have support for masked images. You're really sure OpenOffice is not using masked images as well in its PS output ? Feel free to send me a copy of the PS file as I can easily verify this myself. John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 10 22:31:14 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LAXZf-1oaVbs-08-CaG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:31:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LAXZf-1oaVbs-08-CaG; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:30:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LAXZf-1oaVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:30:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LAXZa-0005PY-R6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:30:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D875CAEFA6C; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:29:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06225-02-2; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:29:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90931AEFA5D; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:29:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:28:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 492BDAEE1EF for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06027-05 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76D0EAEF8BF for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:28:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LAXY6-0004MZ-gw for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:28:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:27:29 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript and PDF References: <49381CCE.5010806@ed.ac.uk> <4938E4D0.8030201@ed.ac.uk> <6RCkN+DH$ROJFwYL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49393994.4040703@ed.ac.uk> <68221f0950.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1203 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EiLUo8dQm7cA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=SHIdY9MAoc4IzsYYAS4A:9 a=FEdYY7oBJD60NTTnqM4A:7 a=6XqOGllI6HMdplrTJR8E3YeSCnUA:4 a=pQ5v7ofoLL0A:10 a=xgHW8hLl-1NHUf9C:21 a=qFFFoxF70UcdN-hu:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.16/1841] An update, it seems that direct PostScript printing is not seeing the font substitution table for the printer driver. So all fonts are being uploaded. I've yet to work out why things are going wrong. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Dec 11 12:41:48 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LAkiy-2yxknw-02-GTz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:41:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LAkiy-2yxknw-02-GTz; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:33:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LAkiy-2yxknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:33:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LAkil-0004Ts-Kc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:33:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71F94AF7C39; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16710-03; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 929F0AF5D8E; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:31:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 224E0AF5E81 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:31:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16536-02 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:31:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D542BAF5DE7 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:31:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LAkhi-0002UF-YD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:31:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:30:26 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PostScript and PDF References: <49381CCE.5010806@ed.ac.uk> <4938E4D0.8030201@ed.ac.uk> <6RCkN+DH$ROJFwYL@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49393994.4040703@ed.ac.uk> <68221f0950.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1204 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EiLUo8dQm7cA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_9g2-WjfRAeM3IxUGL8A:9 a=MqLDtB6o2I-eccqFwuwA:7 a=_bBDodC6NtOSsvnCtz3jhD9uYl0A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=KAM8WufTPzfPHxFC:21 a=E76Xybn0AsVcFlMD:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.16/1843] In message , David Pilling writes > >An update, it seems that direct PostScript printing is not seeing the >font substitution table for the printer driver. So all fonts are being >uploaded. I've yet to work out why things are going wrong. > I've worked this out. OPW looks in the registry data for printer drivers to find something like: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Print\Printers\EPSON EPL-5800 PS3\PrinterDriverData\TTFontSubTable This is a list of Windows font names and printer font names. It then uses the font in the printer instead of embedding it in the PostScript file. The reason this has not been happening is that the above registry key is only created after the font substitution table is changed from the default. This thread started with the problem of not being able to edit PDFs created from OPW direct PS. The interesting thing now would be to enable the font substitution table by setting up a substitution - by the look of it, once the substitution table is created it is not removed if substitutions are put back to the default. So you could sub. Arial to Times, click on OK, sub Arial back to Helvetica, click on OK and it should then work. All this amounts to a bug. Since I had to work out the TTFontSubTable myself, I didn't notice it was not present on a clean installation of a printer driver. I tried various things when I was implementing direct PS, one of them was to have another section in the OPW font manager that let you set up PostScript font substitutions. I could bring that back or I could provide an option to use a set of standard PostScript device fonts. Scanning the printers PPD (definition) file might be another way. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 12 17:06:00 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LBAYz-3Fv000-03-GDW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:06:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LBAYz-3Fv000-03-GDW; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:08:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LBAYz-3Fv000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:08:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LBAYu-00043X-KO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:08:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81FC1B1007A; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05329-02; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86338B10136; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:07:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:07:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C29CB1007A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:07:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04922-06 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:07:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1725AB0FFC2 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:07:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so176413eyk.58 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:07:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.218.15 with SMTP id q15mr5928319ugg.35.1229098028468; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:07:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5acadcb8.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm11794273ugh.10.2008.12.12.08.07.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:07:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49428C2A.8060307@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:07:06 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] PDF import into OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1205 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HT07canHSFUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=S81ICqkx0cVC4uL34xMA:9 a=6c8tNV3Ru4wS9HKERmcA:7 a=UXAwu_TDVuiEULoccJNDZECHtAkA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.17/1845] I tried this today for the first time in a couple of years. My recollection is that the PDF should be converted to EPS, and the PostScript used for printing (even if the bitmap preview image is used onscreen). I have GhostScript 8.63 installed and the following transpdf file: pdf psloc C:\Program Files\gs\gs8.63\bin\gswin32c.exe pdf mkpreview -dBATCH -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -sDEVICE=tiff24nc -sOutputFile="%s" -r36 -q -dNOPAUSE -dFirstPage=1 -dLastPage=1 "%s" pdf mkeps -dBATCH -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -sDEVICE=epswrite -sOutputFile="%s" -r300 -q -dNOPAUSE -dFirstPage=1 -dLastPage=1 "%s" However, I am not getting a readable printout. The printout looks very much like the bitmap preview. Any idea what I might be doing wrong? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 12 17:35:52 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LBBn2-3wyVbs-04-EzT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:35:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LBBn2-3wyVbs-04-EzT; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:27:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LBBn2-3wyVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:27:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LBBmr-00076H-8m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:27:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B306DB113C6; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:26:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26399-02-7; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:26:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71441B1175C; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:26:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:26:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 468ABB113C6 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25857-03 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6795B1141A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LBBmA-00028B-dy for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:26:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:24:34 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF import into OPW References: <49428C2A.8060307@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49428C2A.8060307@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1206 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yEiqfIUqEXcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=tIeAl-jzqb8Lzh_pGMsA:7 a=FHl2pJNL4fvHtfxcjVJNXFM3UdoA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=mBnNku562u5VI6A-:21 a=37SK4lqRr_O3922i:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.17/1845] In message <49428C2A.8060307@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >I tried this today for the first time in a couple of years. > >My recollection is that the PDF should be converted to EPS, and the >PostScript used for printing (even if the bitmap preview image is used >onscreen). >However, I am not getting a readable printout. The printout looks very >much like the bitmap preview. Any idea what I might be doing wrong? One obvious thing is that EPS rendering (which the above comes down to) only works if direct PS is turned on. The EPS applet also needs to be loaded and active. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 12 19:35:56 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LBDes-0otVbs-03-D7d.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:35:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LBDes-0otVbs-03-D7d; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:26:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LBDes-0otVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:26:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LBDei-0002mS-V3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:26:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7238AB09451; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09191-02-9; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29950B158FA; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:24:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D615FB157F4 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:24:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09013-02 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:24:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86C70B1330F for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:24:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so380593uge.11 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:24:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.123.1 with SMTP id a1mr2820ugn.42.1229109874788; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:24:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5acadcb8.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x37sm2670603ugc.41.2008.12.12.11.24.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:24:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:24:30 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF import into OPW Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49428C2A.8060307@ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1207 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yEiqfIUqEXcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7jk0bePTrWJYUfacAgAA:9 a=u9BL_iY09asCczj8qjsA:7 a=f6WKyl69zs0HUxUrpcm8SeJtD_0A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=uTG_1d5kw3ManWJQ:21 a=UvjRDW364QJgl1r3:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.17/1845] On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:24:34 -0000, David Pilling wrote: > In message <49428C2A.8060307@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> I tried this today for the first time in a couple of years. >> >> My recollection is that the PDF should be converted to EPS, and the >> PostScript used for printing (even if the bitmap preview image is used >> onscreen). >> However, I am not getting a readable printout. The printout looks very >> much like the bitmap preview. Any idea what I might be doing wrong? > > > One obvious thing is that EPS rendering (which the above comes down to) > only works if direct PS is turned on. That's it, thanks. Didn't read the web page closely enough. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 13 11:39:49 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LBRsy-3zKknw-04-FwZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:39:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LBRsy-3zKknw-04-FwZ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:38:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LBRsy-3zKknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:38:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LBRsy-0006gR-15 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:38:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 840B3B1D09B; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07323-01; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3580FB1D08A; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:37:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE2D1B1D083 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07209-01 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E78CB1D061 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 05:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so2261606ewy.10 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:37:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.96.9 with SMTP id y9mr415312ugl.64.1229164646763; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:37:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33419.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.25]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm655642uga.49.2008.12.13.02.37.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:37:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49439062.5000704@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 10:37:22 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF import into OPW References: <49428C2A.8060307@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1208 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yEiqfIUqEXcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=NCMdZNFufNmEvq_HFkIA:9 a=N2Yb64fZC1OrHP1mdAcA:7 a=L-KMIa9iuaEhGz1cpCZ7GUI0WnEA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.17/1846] David Pilling wrote: > In message <49428C2A.8060307@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> I tried this today for the first time in a couple of years. >> >> My recollection is that the PDF should be converted to EPS, and the >> PostScript used for printing (even if the bitmap preview image is >> used onscreen). >> However, I am not getting a readable printout. The printout looks >> very much like the bitmap preview. Any idea what I might be doing wrong? > One obvious thing is that EPS rendering (which the above comes down > to) only works if direct PS is turned on. On the face of it, PDF import seems like it should be useful for filling in forms that are provided as PDF files (where text has to be typed into boxes or above dotted lines) --- i.e. extract individual pages from the PDF and drop them into A4-size frames in an OPW document, then type your text into text frames with a transparent background, and position the text frames accordingly. However, I have run into a problem to which I can't find an easy solution ... The form you see on screen is a bitmap preview (I have the preview set to 144dpi to make it readable, i.e. 4x the default resolution). The printout is PostScript and what seems to happen is that the margins (white space) are "cropped" so that the original printed area of the form expands to occupy more or less the whole of the printable area of the OPW page ... with the result that the text you typed in is no longer in its original position with respect to the form boxes/dotted lines. At first, I thought it might be possible to overcome the problem by either: 1) Crop the white space from the forms in Adobe Acrobat, before importing them into OPW (and place them in frames that are smaller than the A4 page area, to leave margins). 2) Import the PDF forms as they are into frames that correspond to the size of the printed area of the form, then expand the image so that the limits of the printed area correspond with the edges of the frame. But neither of these works because, I suppose, you are not physically removing the white space. Another solution would be to do the job in ArtWorks or Adobe Illustrator. However, is there a solution within OPW --- a way to get the PostScript output to respect the margins/white space around the original PDF form? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 13 12:09:28 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LBTGL-1eOknw-08-EZC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:09:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LBTGL-1eOknw-08-EZC; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:06:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LBTGL-1eOknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:06:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LBTGK-0006l5-OI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:06:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FF8EB1D933; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13803-10; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB19EB1D78D; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:05:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4790B1D933 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13749-02 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1061B1D932 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LBTFi-0002FE-hD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:05:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:04:14 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF import into OPW References: <49428C2A.8060307@ed.ac.uk> <49439062.5000704@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49439062.5000704@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1209 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yEiqfIUqEXcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=JLbzbDMSAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5-fB9apxVEoeGlOYsi8A:9 a=f-5oCFaMJSQ3adRjp20A:7 a=iz3YXiQg5u7jcShS6wrgBacQc4IA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=HH7ix30XUYQ3-g6s:21 a=TEVJiRkE_IQ-JwzQ:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.17/1846] In message <49439062.5000704@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >On the face of it, PDF import seems like it should be useful for filling >in forms that are provided as PDF files (where text has to be typed into I don't "get" what the problem is. I often fill in forms using Ovation Pro, usually they're printed on paper, so I scan the form into an OP frame (using the TWAIN applet) then overlay small text boxes for the information I want to add. These text frames I set to have 0mm inset, align to centre, transparent background colour, centred text. Having created one I ALT+Shift drag copies to the other fields in the form. The key thing with this is to set the scale of the picture frame with the scanned form in to 100% so things come out the original size. If people really want their original form using, one can set the picture frame to hide the original form and print out on the original paper form. Anyway once, I wanted to make a paper form fillable by an audience that did not include OPW users. I found a PDF editor (www.cutepdf.com) loaded the scanned pages into that and then the process was much like OPW, except you save a PDF which can be filled in using the usual PDF viewer. Loading your PDFs into Acrobat or an editor like the above (there are many) must be an option. This digression is for general interest, I'd still like to understand the problem. Since if the bitmap preview and the PostScript original are not aligning that is a bug. One thought I have is that GhostScript renders to a page size, and it may be possible to change the setting for that in the command line you set up for the PDF transloader. In your original posting you quoted that command line and one can see PAPERSIZE=a4 in it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 13 14:39:33 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LBVVq-41WVbs-06-CJh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:39:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LBVVq-41WVbs-06-CJh; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:30:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LBVVq-41WVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:30:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LBVVo-0003kl-Vw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:30:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DE5DB19DEE; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25827-01; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8F56B17912; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:29:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:29:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 818F7B1676C for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25731-03 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp11.dentaku.gol.com (smtp11.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.73]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40202B16761 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=webmail.gol.com) by smtp11.dentaku.gol.com with smtp (Dentaku) id 1LBVUO-0004Bu-JC for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:29:04 +0900 Received: from 218.47.29.37 (auth. user plattir@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:29:04 +0000 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF import into OPW Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:29:04 +0000 X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: <0NcaLzCG.1229178544.5747270.plattir@gol.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1210 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yEiqfIUqEXcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Q5uD-scgaXm11aS5tu0A:9 a=_uPsf6zcF6wKP-2J6SEA:7 a=QyOw__NTd2KM8r26-6y8pHjtAfkA:4 a=c5zHXd76wwQA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=7-pEVKrROzrHAf5P:21 a=lZVBRdtZrR3DT-C6:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.17/1846] 2008$BG/(B12$B7n(B13$BF|IU$1$N(B"David Pilling" $B$N%a!<%k$K$h$k$H!'(B >In message <49439062.5000704@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >writes >>On the face of it, PDF import seems like it should be useful for filling >>in forms that are provided as PDF files (where text has to be typed into > >I don't "get" what the problem is. > >I often fill in forms using Ovation Pro, usually they're printed on >paper, so I scan the form into an OP frame (using the TWAIN applet) then >overlay small text boxes for the information I want to add. These text >frames I set to have 0mm inset, align to centre, transparent background >colour, centred text. Having created one I ALT+Shift drag copies to the >other fields in the form. > >The key thing with this is to set the scale of the picture frame with >the scanned form in to 100% so things come out the original size. If >people really want their original form using, one can set the picture >frame to hide the original form and print out on the original paper >form. > That's exactly what I do for my course description forms :-) It's just so much easier (e.g. lining things up) in Ovation Pro cf Word! Regards Ian To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 13 16:24:36 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LBX5j-4Ho000-06-Ajo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:24:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LBX5j-4Ho000-06-Ajo; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:11:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LBX5j-4Ho000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:11:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LBX5i-0005lY-S3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:11:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 553B9B1E739; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02473-06; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BA59B1E3BA; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:10:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EDA2B1E739 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:10:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02337-03 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ew0-f21.google.com (mail-ew0-f21.google.com [209.85.219.21]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFF98B1E6CB for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by ewy14 with SMTP id 14so2352854ewy.10 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.115.15 with SMTP id s15mr608119ugm.56.1229184657400; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac33419.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.25]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w28sm333891uge.5.2008.12.13.08.10.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:10:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:10:54 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF import into OPW From: Clive Bonsall MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49428C2A.8060307@ed.ac.uk> <49439062.5000704@ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1211 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yEiqfIUqEXcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=aIDjHSTtTbB5L4MM7_IA:9 a=ZgIpmdB4npSWk9J3zSIA:7 a=0h71PsBIaz4RJHu7BQivP7OH5EwA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=0i_cmVr8aOFPEJFE:21 a=cEEjolHasY5JHf21:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.17/1846] On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:04:14 -0000, David Pilling wrote: > In message <49439062.5000704@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> On the face of it, PDF import seems like it should be useful for filling >> in forms that are provided as PDF files (where text has to be typed into > > I don't "get" what the problem is. > ... if the bitmap preview and the PostScript original are not aligning > that is a bug. I have uploaded a sample file to the usual place, along with the original pdf. If you print the file to A4 paper, you will see the misalignment (the apparent "loss" of the white space and enlargement of the form). > One thought I have is that GhostScript renders to a page size, and it > may be possible to change the setting for that in the command line you > set up for the PDF transloader. In your original posting you quoted that > command line and one can see PAPERSIZE=a4 in it. As far as I'm aware, everything in OPW/printer driver is also set to A4. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 13 16:39:36 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LBXIP-0hp000-04-AX8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:39:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LBXIP-0hp000-04-AX8; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:24:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LBXIP-0hp000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:24:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LBXIO-0000Dj-LS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:24:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A57DB1E7CB; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03805-04; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6907B1E803; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:24:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F076AB1E7E1 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:24:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03745-01 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:24:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A790B1E7DA for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:24:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so214087eyk.58 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.22.2 with SMTP id z2mr605745ugi.80.1229185450087; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac33419.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.25]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e5sm42650ugf.24.2008.12.13.08.24.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 08:24:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:24:07 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF import into OPW From: Clive Bonsall MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0NcaLzCG.1229178544.5747270.plattir@gol.com> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0NcaLzCG.1229178544.5747270.plattir@gol.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1212 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yEiqfIUqEXcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qO0N1uLWxLQwD1nYNqQA:9 a=MlmagJ-gxdB57SinLoIA:7 a=n8Fau4epHosM5MqFZVhDT59C-zUA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=MsF1JQ-Y7UgGPHP9:21 a=bTsNMDvZVvclVQ12:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.17/1846] On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:29:04 -0000, Ian Platt wrote: > 2008年12月13日付けの"David Pilling" > のメールによると: > >> In message <49439062.5000704@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >> writes >>> On the face of it, PDF import seems like it should be useful for >>> filling >>> in forms that are provided as PDF files (where text has to be typed >>> into >> >> I don't "get" what the problem is. >> >> I often fill in forms using Ovation Pro, usually they're printed on >> paper, so I scan the form into an OP frame (using the TWAIN applet) then >> overlay small text boxes for the information I want to add. These text >> frames I set to have 0mm inset, align to centre, transparent background >> colour, centred text. Having created one I ALT+Shift drag copies to the >> other fields in the form. >> >> The key thing with this is to set the scale of the picture frame with >> the scanned form in to 100% so things come out the original size. If >> people really want their original form using, one can set the picture >> frame to hide the original form and print out on the original paper >> form. >> > > That's exactly what I do for my course description forms :-) > It's just so much easier (e.g. lining things up) in Ovation Pro cf Word! ... and this is precisely what I am trying to do, but using a PDF instead of a scanned image (why go to the trouble of scanning when you have a PDF of the form?). However, there appears to be a problem on printing, whereby the PostScript "image" is larger than the bitmap preview on which the text boxes were originally overlaid, and so in the printout the text is no longer where it was intended to be. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 13 17:34:51 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LBYAG-2iwVbs-07-9fH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:34:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LBYAG-2iwVbs-07-9fH; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:20:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LBYAG-2iwVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:20:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LBYAF-0006YB-Pi for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:20:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 329DCB1E7F6; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09948-10; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6454B1E7E8; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:20:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:19:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DFCA2B1E7F6 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:19:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09811-07 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:19:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD38CB1E7BB for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:19:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LBY9d-00032k-Yg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:19:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:19:12 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF import into OPW References: <49428C2A.8060307@ed.ac.uk> <49439062.5000704@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1213 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yEiqfIUqEXcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=KKzt81p_J7YxyjRXplwA:7 a=jJGAjsv8XHdKlTISlu6eaCNrm6gA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=remYAsR9TTA3rAdU:21 a=gNu1OOyJqC7zm99M:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.17/1846] In message , Clive Bonsall writes >I have uploaded a sample file to the usual place, along with the original >pdf. If you print the file to A4 paper, you will see the misalignment (the >apparent "loss" of the white space and enlargement of the form). Thanks. I've tried it. It is wrong. I've no idea what is wrong, my first guess is that the preview image is the wrong size. That's the effect you set up something on screen and it prints out differently. In particular what appears on the printout is bigger than on screen. However scaling does have an effect. I will investigate. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 14 11:52:22 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LBczi-2pHknw-04-DML.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:52:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LBczi-2pHknw-04-DML; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:29:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LBczi-2pHknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:29:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LBczf-000678-3y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:29:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F213AB18364; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:29:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07663-02; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:29:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9CC6B18627; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:29:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:28:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F8F0B184E2 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07596-02 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BEBCB184E1 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:28:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LBcyb-0003FI-lH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:28:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:27:17 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF import into OPW References: <49428C2A.8060307@ed.ac.uk> <49439062.5000704@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1214 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yEiqfIUqEXcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=vd8SPnUoAb9FntwPYv0A:9 a=0SY5jGotQ_oImuKBTXkA:7 a=WnBf3YOf0eR3hug9t4qEvro0--EA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=RnbReVnfoJK87ivv:21 a=Zd29MbTtBJemLkeX:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.17/1847] In message , David Pilling writes >I will investigate. I'm not optimistic, every example of loading a PDF I have tried has gone wrong the same way - did it ever work or has something changed... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Dec 14 16:37:31 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LBtof-2wa000-04-DaQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:37:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LBtof-2wa000-04-DaQ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:27:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LBtof-2wa000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:27:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LBtoe-0007mE-Pe for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:27:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37209B21EEE; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22365-08; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB3FDB21EF4; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:27:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:26:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77455B21EEE for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22159-08 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 207B4B21EBF for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so95728uge.11 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:26:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.119.8 with SMTP id w8mr1274447ugm.3.1229272017673; Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:26:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac33419.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.25]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w28sm1693465uge.5.2008.12.14.08.26.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:26:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:26:52 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF import into OPW From: Clive Bonsall MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49428C2A.8060307@ed.ac.uk> <49439062.5000704@ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1215 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yEiqfIUqEXcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=9JtBf9avKGnRKoVPXvgA:9 a=cS1XRcAn4mjTQRguvxAA:7 a=2-9hdcLd2jvUl72aHrpJi6sVTOQA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=OXJXKh1UCMU-_Z_k:21 a=SWdO9yxrsDXq501D:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.17/1847] On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 22:27:17 -0000, David Pilling wrote: > In message , David Pilling > writes >> I will investigate. > > I'm not optimistic, every example of loading a PDF I have tried has gone > wrong the same way - did it ever work or has something changed... > I can't say. I never tried to use PDF import for filling in forms, before. The best workaround I've found so far is to convert the PDFs to Draw files in RiScript4, and import the Draw files into OPW ... there's no size change on printing. However, for some unknown reason, RiScript is displaying the Times font of the original PDF as Helvetica (rather than Trinity). -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 15 21:00:54 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LCKPb-3CH000-06-CZ2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:00:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LCKPb-3CH000-06-CZ2; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:51:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LCKPb-3CH000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:51:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LCKPU-0002uR-OY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:51:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C349B2A75B; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19646-05; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4DA5B2A82F; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:50:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0D03B2A75B for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:50:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19331-07 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:50:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DF29B2A6A9 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b32so692446ika.2 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.218.3 with SMTP id q3mr2209456ugg.24.1229374223970; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ad2c8aa.bb.sky.com [90.210.200.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w40sm422753ugc.6.2008.12.15.12.50.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:50:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4946C2FA.8000208@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:50:02 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF import into OPW References: <49428C2A.8060307@ed.ac.uk> <49439062.5000704@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1216 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yEiqfIUqEXcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=A4HrVPrPspFInmBUYmYA:9 a=L5wRxtnIlyVWWHvdSigA:7 a=GdAnMPfvXcQhokFPu8lJvHiC15sA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.18/1849] David Pilling wrote: > In message <49439062.5000704@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> On the face of it, PDF import seems like it should be useful for filling >> in forms that are provided as PDF files (where text has to be typed into > I often fill in forms using Ovation Pro, usually they're printed on > paper, so I scan the form into an OP frame (using the TWAIN applet) > then overlay small text boxes for the information I want to add. These > text frames I set to have 0mm inset, align to centre, transparent > background colour, centred text. Having created one I ALT+Shift drag > copies to the other fields in the form. This was helpful. I eventually settled on RISCOS !PDF to create a series of draw files from the original pdf form and dropped the draw files into OPW. This gave much better quality background images than could be obtained by scanning the form, and smaller file sizes. I followed your recommendations for overlaying text frames, with one modification -- when I wanted to position a single line of text above a dotted line on the form, I found it easier to set align to bottom and position the lower edge of the text frame exactly on the dotted line (so that the text appeared just above the dotted line). Were it not for the font mapping problem, RiScript would have had one advantage over !PDF, since it allows you to save a multi-page pdf as a series of draw files in one go, whereas with !PDF you have to save the pages individually. Does anyone know of a pdf reader for Windows that can save/export as Acorn draw files? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 16 11:47:21 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LCVf3-3dLVbs-01-9q6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:47:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LCVf3-3dLVbs-01-9q6; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:52:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LCVf3-3dLVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:52:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LCVey-0005XD-Ho for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:52:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0551BB2F0B5; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:52:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29500-10; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:52:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B44FDB2F21A; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:52:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:51:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D680B2F0B5 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29416-03 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net (pih-relay08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23540B2F02E for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1LCVeL-0002Jo-5u for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:51:29 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF import into OPW To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:51:17 GMT Message-ID: <159c7f0e50.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <49428C2A.8060307@ed.ac.uk> <49439062.5000704@ed.ac.uk> <4946C2FA.8000208@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4946C2FA.8000208@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Plusnet-Relay: a700160688fd898a6bccc1046ebc80c5 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1217 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bernard@bapfish.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yEiqfIUqEXcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3QBSRehDMh9_4HaVy4YA:9 a=Pnt8YjGtteHiworboX0A:7 a=TU-de0LxMJUaSwd6p3azkZS3LkEA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=M12RaEUIoFEA:10 a=e1789hDflywA:10 a=NH-NX8H7FwQiuO-F:21 a=EFzA7JF1lmlwXlw7:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.18/1849] In message <4946C2FA.8000208@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > Were it not for the font mapping problem, RiScript would have had one > advantage over !PDF, since it allows you to save a multi-page pdf as a > series of draw files in one go, whereas with !PDF you have to save the > pages individually. The !PDF I use (3.00.1.19 27 Feb 2007) enables multiple drawfiles to be saved from a multi-page PDF file. Just 'Menu' > Save > Drawfiles > Save folder name which results in the folder containing all the Draw files. -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 16 11:47:23 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LCWxP-3gDknw-04-8Xk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:47:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LCWxP-3gDknw-04-8Xk; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:15:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LCWxP-3gDknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:15:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LCWxO-0000w0-KV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:15:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BD94B2EEE1; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05738-03; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:15:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C85E4B2F79A; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:14:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAA44B2EEE1 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05606-08 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp05.opal-solutions.com (smtp05.opal-solutions.com [195.74.128.120]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59705B2EEF8 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (websrv.quantel.com [195.12.20.34]) by smtp05.opal-solutions.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617E84D892C for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:14:34 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <4946C2FA.8000208@ed.ac.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF import into OPW MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:13:02 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1218 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy.ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yEiqfIUqEXcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=VQ9ene8lAAAA:8 a=dYEVMWyeAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=CTRsCCqEs1ZXFfgpkXgA:9 a=DwZEJDCzCQfpoNuwTG4A:7 a=0R_m9z6uxh96QWQBGleixoxWtpEA:4 a=MxZ3bB5I4kYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.18/1849] > Does anyone know of a pdf reader for Windows that can save/export as > Acorn draw files? Not draw format, but I have been playing with an application called InkScape It can read and edit PDF files and save in a variety of common Windows formats. It is free and available from http://www.inkscape.org/ Andy Ling -- Quantel is the trade name used by Quantel Holdings Limited and its subsidiaries. Quantel Holdings Limited is registered in England & Wales. Registration No: 4004913 Contact details for all Quantel Offices and Companies can be found on our website www.quantel.com or by writing to the holding company. Registered address: Turnpike Road, Newbury, Berkshire, RG14 2NX, United Kingdom To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 16 20:17:33 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LCgBc-1F4Vbs-02-GMZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:17:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LCgBc-1F4Vbs-02-GMZ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:06:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LCgBc-1F4Vbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:06:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LCgBW-00037u-AM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:06:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C702FB29C07; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:06:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14513-05; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:06:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6586EB31719; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:06:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:05:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F25EB29C07 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14337-10 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0925AB29B5D for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:05:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so288571uge.11 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.238.18 with SMTP id l18mr2924095ugh.20.1229457945685; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ad2c8aa.bb.sky.com [90.210.200.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s1sm1868825uge.27.2008.12.16.12.05.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:05:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:05:41 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF import into OPW Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1219 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yEiqfIUqEXcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=VQ9ene8lAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5jdTNUcSHOxjpjCVPMMA:9 a=szHormyi-G_r3lby57sA:7 a=Bvj1jlY2vSCcx_dLrfXqiu5VqGIA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.18/1851] On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:13:02 -0000, wrote: >> Does anyone know of a pdf reader for Windows that can save/export as >> Acorn draw files? > > Not draw format, but I have been playing with an application called > InkScape > It can read and edit PDF files and save in a variety of common Windows > formats. It is free and available from http://www.inkscape.org/ Thanks. I hadn't looked at InkScape in a while ... it seems to have improved a lot. It does save in a good range of formats, but I think only certain bitmaps and eps (+ pdf) can be imported into OPW. I notice that the InkScape save box has an option to "enable preview". If this is checked before saving as EPS and the resulting EPS file is dropped into an OPW frame, then no preview appears ... just a grey rectangle (the same applies to EPS output from other programs, e.g. Acrobat). OPW is capable of importing WMF, whereas InkScape exports as EMF but not WMF. I was intrigued to see what would happen if I saved an InkScape file as EMF with "enable preview" checked, and then dropped the EMF into OPW ... the preview bitmap appears, but on printing the page is blank. I'm curious to know why OPW displays the preview bitmap image associated with an unsupported filetype (EMF) but not a supported filetype (EPS)? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 16 20:32:34 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LCgQx-1h4Vbs-01-G7E.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:32:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LCgQx-1h4Vbs-01-G7E; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:22:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LCgQx-1h4Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:22:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LCgQx-0000tQ-68 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:22:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FEA0B28106; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:22:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16076-10; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:22:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DDA4B29797; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:22:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:21:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24EE9B28106 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15914-09 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C488FB29AD9 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so290039uge.11 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr2916841ugg.69.1229458411008; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ad2c8aa.bb.sky.com [90.210.200.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s8sm1078832uge.18.2008.12.16.12.13.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:13:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49480BE8.4020106@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:13:28 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF import into OPW References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1220 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yEiqfIUqEXcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=VQ9ene8lAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hLaLNk7bcthW0ZVFEKoA:9 a=Z5vkZFEcJuZRGYdlVbUA:7 a=T_fdU8JMvcjo7Ilxwkzkq74KX94A:4 a=955elKCOoL8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.18/1851] Clive Bonsall wrote: > On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:13:02 -0000, wrote: > >>> Does anyone know of a pdf reader for Windows that can save/export as >>> Acorn draw files? >> >> Not draw format, but I have been playing with an application called >> InkScape >> It can read and edit PDF files and save in a variety of common Windows >> formats. It is free and available from http://www.inkscape.org/ > > Thanks. I hadn't looked at InkScape in a while ... it seems to have > improved a lot. It does save in a good range of formats, but I think > only certain bitmaps and eps (+ pdf) can be imported into OPW. I > notice that the InkScape save box has an option to "enable preview". > If this is checked before saving as EPS and the resulting EPS file is > dropped into an OPW frame, then no preview appears ... just a grey > rectangle (the same applies to EPS output from other programs, e.g. > Acrobat). OPW is capable of importing WMF, whereas InkScape exports as > EMF but not WMF. I was intrigued to see what would happen if I saved > an InkScape file as EMF with "enable preview" checked, and then > dropped the EMF into OPW ... the preview bitmap appears, but on > printing the page is blank. > > I'm curious to know why OPW displays the preview bitmap image > associated with an unsupported filetype (EMF) but not a supported > filetype (EPS)? Apologies ... I see OPW does support EMF. I assumed it didn't since it didn't like the InkScape offering. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 16 22:02:36 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LChyq-1O2Vbs-07-EZL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:02:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LChyq-1O2Vbs-07-EZL; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:01:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LChyq-1O2Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:01:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LChyq-0005ZB-7y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:01:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D3CFB30DF7; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:01:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28583-06; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:01:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C003B30DF8; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:01:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:00:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F4FBB30DF7 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28458-03 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28E53B30DF6 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LChyE-0004zj-WJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:00:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:59:13 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF import into OPW References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1221 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yEiqfIUqEXcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=nAiVCYVoaS-J844voesA:7 a=KRMpQnEhXa6yn9ZwpIRXUFkSPr0A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=M12RaEUIoFEA:10 a=CkWUGG9yEA4cm0oz:21 a=UyK6_vINxVK-dHUF:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.18/1851] In message , Clive Bonsall writes >I'm curious to know why OPW displays the preview bitmap image >associated with an unsupported filetype (EMF) but not a supported >filetype (EPS)? I wasn't aware that EMF could have a bitmap preview. EPS can have either TIFF or WMF preview images. Bear in mind the limitation that EMF can't be rendered to PostScript using direct PS, and EPS can only be rendered to PostScript using direct PS. I think EPS with preview does work, the problem is EPS generated from PDF - probably there are commands setting the page size and upsetting things. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Dec 17 12:28:10 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1LCvTY-1qAVbs-04-9b9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:28:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1LCvTY-1qAVbs-04-9b9; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:26:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1LCvTY-1qAVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:26:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1LCvTY-000619-4U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:26:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FFD8B31F00; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15575-04; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B2B9B31FA3; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:25:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41ED3B31F00 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15403-09 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0AD9B31E04 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so337039uge.11 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:25:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr3354802ugg.69.1229516724626; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:25:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ad2c8aa.bb.sky.com [90.210.200.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7sm541699uge.0.2008.12.17.04.25.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:25:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:25:14 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF import into OPW From: Clive Bonsall Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1222 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yEiqfIUqEXcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7ulYUyhI9QameW5V5eIA:9 a=PeBnhCqj1WuqIdrp-WUA:7 a=972wvexXQ416YrxoXM1c-ZVmd3AA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 a=M12RaEUIoFEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.19/1853] On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:59:13 -0000, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Clive Bonsall > writes >> I'm curious to know why OPW displays the preview bitmap image >> associated with an unsupported filetype (EMF) but not a supported >> filetype (EPS)? > > > I wasn't aware that EMF could have a bitmap preview. Apparently, it can ... > EPS can have either TIFF or WMF preview images. Bear in mind the > limitation that EMF can't be rendered to PostScript using direct PS, and > EPS can only be rendered to PostScript using direct PS. I always forget about direct vs indirect PS. > I think EPS with preview does work, the problem is EPS generated from > PDF - probably there are commands setting the page size and upsetting > things. Further investigation suggests it depends on the application that produced the EPS. Preview doesn't seem to work with Artworks EPS or InkScape EPS. But it will work with Illustrator EPS, where you have some control over the type of preview generated. Returning to the PDF import problem -- I can drop a PDF (e.g. my pdf form) into Illustrator, save it out as EPS, and import the EPS into OPW, with no change in size/alignment between preview and printout apparent. Interestingly, this works with Illustrator 9 EPS, but not Illustrator 3 (blank page on printout). On the other hand, PDF > Draw is an easier option, provided you also have RISCOS. It would be nice if OPW could do the conversion directly. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling