From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Oct 29 22:28:02 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KvJIJ-4b5000-07-AeK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:28:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KvJIJ-4b5000-07-AeK; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:13:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KvJIJ-4b5000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:13:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KvJIJ-0001W1-6U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:13:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3E33A99001; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09592-01; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28CD6A98FF4; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:13:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E404BA98DE9 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09462-02 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9C73A98CCD for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1KvJHf-0004y0-KF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:12:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:11:51 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF import into OPW References: <49063972.30307@ed.ac.uk> <49071656.1000907@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49071656.1000907@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1040 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JlIfzhX1OdkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8Ym2X3MOXfK9AoSk4dQA:9 a=nJDMPWzzSn9NoFQMgZIA:7 a=oK29gHPdYFAcW5xlBsvojHJ1kvIA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.196 [270.8.4/1754] In message <49071656.1000907@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >>> 2) If the RTF contains accented characters, then frequently the >>>following character in a word is lost (after import into OPW). If the >>>accented character falls at the end of the word, then the following >>>word space disappears. I've sorted this out, a simple bug in the RTF filter concerned with handling Unicode characters. The new installer for the RTF filter is available from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Filters/InstallRTF.exe -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 26 18:42:08 2008 Received: by pilling.demon.co.uk with COPY id <1m8XgJCKt2DJFwDB@pilling.demon.co.uk> ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:21:14 +0000 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KuAUM-282knw-01-DG9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:42:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KuAUM-282knw-01-DG9; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:37:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KuAUM-282knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:37:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KuAUL-0003Vs-Lt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:37:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38D20A947CC; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16812-06; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4F76A94945; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:36:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BC31A947CC for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16669-03 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38CBCA946C8 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so84353uge.11 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.123.8 with SMTP id a8mr1572081ugn.42.1225046201924; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?172.16.224.128? (5ac3346e.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e5sm1003356ugf.24.2008.10.26.11.36.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:36:38 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1033 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=FFHpQaHzlEDZHMn1IEMA:9 a=NdrFpqBXbTSdMEfvgW8A:7 a=b4bbN8O3xjLCy3EExOiluooOXisA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.196 [270.8.3/1747] David Pilling wrote: > In message , David Pilling > writes >> Yes. I could see that alignment was not perfect. The question is if >> this is another bug or if it is what one expects given the full stops >> are next to different preceding characters. > > I've now got the latest example and I'd say it was a bug in enhanced > justification, turn that off (on the last line, the one which is out of > alignment) and the full stops then line up. I'd noticed that, and I can live with that solution. Thanks. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 3 21:46:18 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Kx71P-2A2knw-06-9jw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:46:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Kx71P-2A2knw-06-9jw; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:31:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Kx71P-2A2knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:31:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kx71L-0007KF-Az for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:31:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E259A234E9; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06167-05; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB457A5460D; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:30:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BA6FA16DCC for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00563-01 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D99EA6D54C for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Kx70b-0002el-2O for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:30:49 +0000 Message-ID: <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:29:38 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1041 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=JlqtTdE-06ywIhKwdfsA:9 a=ER3p8zQEWWYjJEOan0kA:7 a=e71iuKT8ve_kpoMXXqdv1E1-1mAA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=qRZQT-bWOi0A:10 a=KDd-qaFsTrQA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.198 [270.8.5/1764] In message <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >David Pilling wrote: >> In message , David Pilling >> writes >>> Yes. I could see that alignment was not perfect. The question is if >>>this is another bug or if it is what one expects given the full stops >>>are next to different preceding characters. >> I've now got the latest example and I'd say it was a bug in enhanced >>justification, turn that off (on the last line, the one which is out >>of alignment) and the full stops then line up. OK, I've fixed the bug in enhanced justification. The problem is that with enhanced justification a small gap is added after every character (not just space characters), however the program was adding this gap after the last character in the line. You can get the latest version (3rd November 2008) from the usual place: www.davidpilling.com/cd This fix is quite benign, open documents and the text will be correctly formatted, unlike last weeks problem there is no need to force a reflow. Interestingly the bug also appears in the RISC OS version, but no one has noticed for ten years, so I don't suppose I need to fix it there ;-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 4 11:57:46 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KxAof-1bQGPo-03-ETC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:57:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KxAof-1bQGPo-03-ETC; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:34:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KxAof-1bQGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:34:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KxAoe-0006cu-Sf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:34:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08E10AA18A0; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28072-03; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:34:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75368AA1A6B; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:34:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:34:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FDAEAA18A0 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:34:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27998-04 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:34:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxout5.netvision.net.il (mxout5.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.29]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E096CAA1866 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:34:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from linux.bgnet ([89.138.163.35]) by mxout5.netvision.net.il (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0K9S00GRICCRHK00@mxout5.netvision.net.il> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:34:03 +0200 (IST) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:34:03 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification In-reply-to: <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <490FA68B.4030406@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080707) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1042 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mybg@netvision.net.il Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wuBuHS8y_ojRi1h0UxUA:9 a=_yd3YYY5-7aoMeKG3kEA:7 a=GFhvmgsAC99SrAV0GCo_6PWkTFEA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.198 [270.8.5/1764] David Pilling wrote: > In message <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> David Pilling wrote: >>> In message , David Pilling >>> writes >>>> Yes. I could see that alignment was not perfect. The question is if >>>> this is another bug or if it is what one expects given the full >>>> stops are next to different preceding characters. >>> I've now got the latest example and I'd say it was a bug in >>> enhanced justification, turn that off (on the last line, the one >>> which is out of alignment) and the full stops then line up. > > OK, I've fixed the bug in enhanced justification. The problem is that > with enhanced justification a small gap is added after every character > (not just space characters), however the program was adding this gap > after the last character in the line. > > You can get the latest version (3rd November 2008) from the usual place: > www.davidpilling.com/cd > > This fix is quite benign, open documents and the text will be > correctly formatted, unlike last weeks problem there is no need to > force a reflow. Interestingly the bug also appears in the RISC OS > version, but no one has noticed for ten years, so I don't suppose I > need to fix it there ;-) Please do ... ;-) Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 4 11:57:49 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KxGmA-4AO00H-06-2bwz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:57:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KxGmA-4AO00H-06-2bwz; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:56:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KxGmA-4AO00H-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:56:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KxGlw-0007Ft-On for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:56:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A3D0AA1309; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:56:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09817-10; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:56:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5EF0AA14E7; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:55:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E35BAAA1309 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09691-03 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90793AA117F for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so121276uge.11 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.27.3 with SMTP id e3mr2671311ugj.74.1225785331986; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:55:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac334a9.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.169]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s8sm621341uge.18.2008.11.03.23.55.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:55:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <490FFFEF.10503@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:55:27 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1043 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=coAy7qFobOvyUKgUtWgA:9 a=naOssaN29GdDj7GQkLgA:7 a=Tq_9VfcrGFA7oyZQrPLi9EkgsJcA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.198 [270.8.5/1764] David Pilling wrote: > In message <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> David Pilling wrote: > OK, I've fixed the bug in enhanced justification. The problem is that > with enhanced justification a small gap is added after every character > (not just space characters), however the program was adding this gap > after the last character in the line. > > You can get the latest version (3rd November 2008) from the usual place: > www.davidpilling.com/cd That's great. Thanks. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 4 11:57:51 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KxHsx-2wSko1-03-wY0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:57:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KxHsx-2wSko1-03-wY0; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:07:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KxHsx-2wSko1-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:07:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KxHpJ-0003ya-Ab for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:03:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B81B6AA12D4; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:03:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14285-07; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:03:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 585C0AA1899; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:03:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:03:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90879AA12D4 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14188-04 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25491AA11F9 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20081104090313.WDKU1691.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:03:13 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.12.169.31]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20081104090313.FDMT19264.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:03:13 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:02:07 GMT Message-ID: <297edff84f.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <490FA68B.4030406@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <490FA68B.4030406@netvision.net.il> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jnqpvublAvgA:10 a=vPS7Wo46r4kA:10 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=yYyn5RkbyH-vsWo62TsA:9 a=8902_4QWrJOPqVG3z9UA:7 a=r0JdvpCzcOz0ihbtJs83SO0rxKEA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1044 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yYyn5RkbyH-vsWo62TsA:9 a=eThxC3xt7Q1p_IAluMIA:7 a=mLRUIKsHqhk0xxqmdTvSMSQ_WQkA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.198 [270.8.5/1764] In message <490FA68B.4030406@netvision.net.il> Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >> writes >>> David Pilling wrote: >>>> In message , David Pilling >>>> writes >>>>> Yes. I could see that alignment was not perfect. The question is if >>>>> this is another bug or if it is what one expects given the full >>>>> stops are next to different preceding characters. >>>> I've now got the latest example and I'd say it was a bug in >>>> enhanced justification, turn that off (on the last line, the one >>>> which is out of alignment) and the full stops then line up. >> >> OK, I've fixed the bug in enhanced justification. The problem is that >> with enhanced justification a small gap is added after every character >> (not just space characters), however the program was adding this gap >> after the last character in the line. >> >> You can get the latest version (3rd November 2008) from the usual place: >> www.davidpilling.com/cd >> >> This fix is quite benign, open documents and the text will be >> correctly formatted, unlike last weeks problem there is no need to >> force a reflow. Interestingly the bug also appears in the RISC OS >> version, but no one has noticed for ten years, so I don't suppose I >> need to fix it there ;-) > > Please do ... ;-) Yes, please! Ralph -- Ralph & Valmai Stevens In leafy Epping To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 4 18:12:06 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KxMC0-2xcGPp-01-K8t.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:12:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KxMC0-2xcGPp-01-K8t; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:44:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KxMC0-2xcGPp-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:44:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KxIj5-0002vB-8Y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:01:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A48AFAA1447; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18683-09; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 478EFAA185E; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:00:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DDD6AA1447 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:00:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18439-10 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:00:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-5.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-5.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABCE2AA11FE for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:00:52 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 102726264/mk-outboundfilter-5.mail.uk.tiscali.com/PIPEX/$PIPEX-ACCEPTED/pipex-temporary-group/88.105.43.26 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.43.26 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: berni@zionundy.me.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgABALOrD0lYaSsa/2dsb2JhbAAIywGDUw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,542,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="102726264" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 88-105-43-26.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO [10.0.0.6]) ([88.105.43.26]) by smtp.pipex.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 04 Nov 2008 10:00:50 +0000 Message-ID: <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:00:50 +0000 From: Bernard G Hill User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1045 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: berni@zionundy.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=QF55EDRiYx9QSsmWPLwA:9 a=IsJX6dFu1rirG9RJXK0A:7 a=hhZm_IJiC4v8u-r3zaB96skiuVIA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.198 [270.8.6/1766] David Pilling wrote: > In message <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> David Pilling wrote: >>> In message , David Pilling >>> writes >>>> Yes. I could see that alignment was not perfect. The question is if >>>> this is another bug or if it is what one expects given the full >>>> stops are next to different preceding characters. >>> I've now got the latest example and I'd say it was a bug in enhanced >>> justification, turn that off (on the last line, the one which is out >>> of alignment) and the full stops then line up. > > OK, I've fixed the bug in enhanced justification. The problem is that > with enhanced justification a small gap is added after every character > (not just space characters), however the program was adding this gap > after the last character in the line. > > You can get the latest version (3rd November 2008) from the usual place: > www.davidpilling.com/cd > > This fix is quite benign, open documents and the text will be correctly > formatted, unlike last weeks problem there is no need to force a reflow. > Interestingly the bug also appears in the RISC OS version, but no one > has noticed for ten years, so I don't suppose I need to fix it there ;-) > > Probably because, following the precept of Eric Gill, justification whether enhanced or not, is not generally used within the RiscOS community???? Mr Gill did not like justified text, as very often the uneven spacing between words hinders reading. He also advocated, and used, very close spacing between words to aid the ease of reading. He felt that justified text was only to make the page look tidy but said that the primary purpose of text is to be read. With a sensibly long line of text, (not a newspaper column) justification does not cause too much change of word spacing, but even then rivers of white can be seen running down a page. Berni. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 4 18:12:14 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KxOva-38lVbs-01-8sn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:12:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KxOva-38lVbs-01-8sn; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:38:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KxOva-38lVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:38:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KxOvZ-0000ZN-BV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:38:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B46DAAA20AA; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24642-08; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58F05AA20E9; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:38:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68443AA20AA for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24571-03 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34FE1AA1ED1 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from dyn-62-56-90-52.dslaccess.co.uk ([62.56.90.52] helo=Merlin.nom) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH joyces) (Exim 4.67) id 1KxOuv-000FVB-Dp for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:38:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve Joyce To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:38:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Mail Merge Problem with Ovation Pro (RO) Message-ID: <4ff9093acbSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1046 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Steve@joyces.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nRFLI-2Ow9MA:10 a=Dg_BoFDKLO0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=XjTu5GcMTMig695IiHIA:9 a=HerBgplBxTeiBoz896UA:7 a=aeRiqzVjGD-97Xru-pIvrlIGbGUA:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.198 [270.8.6/1766] I've attempted to use mail merge to print some address labels using a CSV file exported from Excel - with mixed success. Yes, I've got all the addresses on pages of label frames, but there are blank labels between each address. I then set up a simple document with suitable merge commands to check that the problem was not down to using the master page with label frames. Stepping through the records showed alternating addresses and blank records. Cannot see anything wrong with the CSV file - it works ok with Impression Publisher. However, Publisher won't do labels with any degree of useful control. Any suggestions what might be wrong? Cheers, Steve Joyce Ov Pro 2.77 RiscPC RO 4.39 96+2mb To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 4 18:26:56 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KxQYQ-0lsVbs-07-FmT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:26:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KxQYQ-0lsVbs-07-FmT; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:23:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KxQYQ-0lsVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:23:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KxQYP-0007JO-OC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:23:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 379C0AA2291; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:23:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07572-09; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:23:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8A30AA22AF; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:23:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:22:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30F8FAA2296 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:22:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07465-05 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:22:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2E2CAA2299 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk (88-202-202-106.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.202.106]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA4IMGLT011619 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:22:17 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Mail Merge Problem with Ovation Pro (RO) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:22:11 GMT Message-ID: References: <4ff9093acbSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ff9093acbSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1047 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan@adamshome.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ZmilUi5zx90A:10 a=FlNRw38yasQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=SZB2wnMAbdZpbGLYkBEA:9 a=TI18HTe25P43G2t-OsgA:7 a=NrHdLIsMwXD9kOVWqCfZr2dBrFEA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.198 [270.8.6/1766] In message <4ff9093acbSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> Steve Joyce wrote: > I've attempted to use mail merge to print some address labels using a CSV > file exported from Excel - with mixed success. > Yes, I've got all the addresses on pages of label frames, but there are > blank labels between each address. I then set up a simple document with > suitable merge commands to check that the problem was not down to using > the master page with label frames. Stepping through the records showed > alternating addresses and blank records. > Cannot see anything wrong with the CSV file - it works ok with Impression > Publisher. However, Publisher won't do labels with any degree of useful > control. > Any suggestions what might be wrong? I suspect each line ends with CR and LF, and OPro is treating the bit between as an extra blank line. Open it in Edit - does it show [0D] at the end or beginning of each line? > Cheers, > Steve Joyce > Ov Pro 2.77 RiscPC RO 4.39 96+2mb > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan@adamshome.org.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 4 18:26:56 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KxQYs-4Tsknw-04-Fm1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:26:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KxQYs-4Tsknw-04-Fm1; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:23:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KxQYs-4Tsknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:23:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KxQYs-0007Oe-JB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:23:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D96BAA22C6; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07671-05; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01700AA22A8; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:22:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00163AA22C6 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07527-09 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF8CFAA22C4 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1KxQY8-0004vV-Oy for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:22:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:21:40 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Mail Merge Problem with Ovation Pro (RO) References: <4ff9093acbSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ff9093acbSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1048 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ZmilUi5zx90A:10 a=FlNRw38yasQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=BGW61FRvzEgK61zTRtwA:7 a=W9lisWQ9oj7t5FFO5UKE6Q_TwQsA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.198 [270.8.6/1766] In message <4ff9093acbSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk>, Steve Joyce writes >I've attempted to use mail merge to print some address labels using a CSV >file exported from Excel - with mixed success. It is hard for me to say without seeing the CSV file and the OP document you're using with it - feel free to email them to me privately. It could be something dozy like line endings, say the file uses the Windows standard of CRLF and OP reads the CR or LF as a blank record. If that was the case you could fix it by changing the line endings in Edit or making use of the OP mailmerge "fields" feature to skip records - if you're using fields already just stick in another nextrecord() command. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 4 19:56:59 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KxS1D-3MQVbs-06-EJg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:56:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KxS1D-3MQVbs-06-EJg; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:56:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KxS1D-3MQVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:56:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KxS1C-0006v0-MY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:56:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1480CAA219E; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:56:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17218-06; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:56:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB8F4AA21CB; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:56:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:56:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A69AAAA219E for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17008-07 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70516AA1F57 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:56:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from dyn-62-56-90-52.dslaccess.co.uk ([62.56.90.52] helo=Merlin.nom) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH joyces) (Exim 4.67) id 1KxS0Z-000Ds9-6j for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:56:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve Joyce To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:55:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Mail Merge Problem with Ovation Pro (RO) Message-ID: <4ff91b5b33Steve@joyces.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ff9093acbSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1049 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Steve@joyces.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ZmilUi5zx90A:10 a=FlNRw38yasQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RwQzgxf4oCJU_F0sKCwA:9 a=hIZerB0qnLrmSSpWtcsA:7 a=IXGE-G6RQGNhKCmoP7ANZ-hpWUcA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.198 [270.8.6/1766] In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ff9093acbSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk>, Steve Joyce > writes > >I've attempted to use mail merge to print some address labels using a > >CSV file exported from Excel - with mixed success. > It is hard for me to say without seeing the CSV file and the OP > document you're using with it - feel free to email them to me > privately. > It could be something dozy like line endings, say the file uses the > Windows standard of CRLF and OP reads the CR or LF as a blank record. > If that was the case you could fix it by changing the line endings in > Edit or making use of the OP mailmerge "fields" feature to skip > records - if you're using fields already just stick in another > nextrecord() command. The problem exactly. The problem with using Zap as an editor is that it can be set to hide CRLF from DOS files and retain it as the line terminator. I knew this but got the same result having used ViewXLS to produce the text output from the original Excel file - then I assumed that something else was causing the problem. Viewing the file in Edit showed the extra x0D at the end of each line. Removing these did indeed remove the extra blank output record between each real record. Now to find out how to switch the behaviour of Zap so that I stand a chance of avoiding said problem. Many thanks, Steve To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 4 21:12:02 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KxT1C-2F4knw-02-DJh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:12:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KxT1C-2F4knw-02-DJh; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:00:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KxT1C-2F4knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:00:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KxT1C-00046W-5q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:00:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83C6EAA24A2; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:00:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22886-06; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:00:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A7E3AA24D1; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:00:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:00:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 106B2AA24A2 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22739-08 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.146]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDA6CAA1EAC for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=standalone) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1KxT0Y-0001AZ-FT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:00:14 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:57:48 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Mail Merge Problem with Ovation Pro (RO) Message-ID: References: <4ff9093acbSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ff9093acbSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Plusnet-Relay: e6350cb6ff2756a7de5f6dedca004342 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1050 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ZmilUi5zx90A:10 a=FlNRw38yasQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=IpagLc-UAAAA:8 a=v6Aic-fSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Prc7fr5uytHnKh0NjbEA:9 a=BPTPMyIb16-4GZ6fxMQA:7 a=kaYAC72vTaj7R7tAa2Od_LIGVDQA:4 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.198 [270.8.6/1766] In message of 4 Nov, Steve Joyce wrote: > I've attempted to use mail merge to print some address labels using a C= SV > file exported from Excel - with mixed success. >=20 > Yes, I've got all the addresses on pages of label frames, but there are > blank labels between each address. I then set up a simple document with > suitable merge commands to check that the problem was not down to using > the master page with label frames. Stepping through the records showed > alternating addresses and blank records. >=20 > Cannot see anything wrong with the CSV file Have you loaded it into an editor such as Edit, StrongEd or Zap? > - it works ok with Impression > Publisher. However, Publisher won't do labels with any degree of useful > control. >=20 > Any suggestions what might be wrong? You aren't using Labella! From: http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 4 21:42:02 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KxTaq-4Enknw-01-Ck3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:42:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KxTaq-4Enknw-01-Ck3; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:37:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KxTaq-4Enknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:37:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KxTaq-0000Jm-3Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:37:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90078AA266C; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29674-02; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BE4AAA2744; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:37:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AA3CAA266C for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:37:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29527-03 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:37:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EAA50AA26DE for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:37:05 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 191074124/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/f2s-temporary-group/79.77.154.65/None/lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.77.154.65 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-MUA: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmURACBPEElPTZpB/2dsb2JhbACLM8BMg1M X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,545,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="191074124" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 79-77-154-65.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO helvellyn) ([79.77.154.65]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 04 Nov 2008 21:37:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:26:17 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification Message-ID: References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <490FA68B.4030406@netvision.net.il> <297edff84f.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <297edff84f.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1051 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Vnd2uuyRaIDVpnoyWj8A:9 a=AGbl2jN3DJSF3qwBwKoA:7 a=pghn5IlYYlgw0w6fB5yOCb43DacA:4 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.198 [270.8.6/1766] On 4 Nov, ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com wrote in message <297edff84f.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com>: > In message <490FA68B.4030406@netvision.net.il> > Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > This fix is quite benign, open documents and the text will be > > > correctly formatted, unlike last weeks problem there is no need to > > > force a reflow. Interestingly the bug also appears in the RISC OS > > > version, but no one has noticed for ten years, so I don't suppose I > > > need to fix it there ;-) > > > > Please do ... ;-) > > Yes, please! A fix would definitely be appreciated by those of us still using O-Pro on RISC OS. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 4 21:57:03 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KxTm0-0gg000-07-CYt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:57:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KxTm0-0gg000-07-CYt; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:49:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KxTm0-0gg000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:49:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KxTlz-0000Oy-J2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:49:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0CCCAA2098; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30798-10; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A8BEAA20EB; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:48:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01E5CAA2098 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30667-10 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDF9BAA2095 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1KxTlL-000F1N-2j for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:48:36 +0000 Message-ID: <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:47:06 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1052 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=HzwFHhTy01lB4kuJpaEA:9 a=rc2ogWJ2NcEJog98eJoA:7 a=y_FNJ2rTojv_IotODcEE3XRmQ5AA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.198 [270.8.6/1766] In message <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk>, Bernard G Hill writes >>Interestingly the bug also appears in the RISC OS version, but no one >>has noticed for ten years, so I don't suppose I need to fix it there ;-) >Probably because, following the precept of Eric Gill, justification >whether enhanced or not, is not generally used within the RiscOS >community???? Mr Well there was a bug in the PostScript printer drivers, which was only fixed by Robin Watts when he was working for ROSL - so long after Acorn, which resulted in justified printing having a very ragged right edge. That might have discouraged people from using it. Perhaps the pixel resolution of Windows has made the problem more obvious. I do intend adding the fix to the RISC OS version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 5 11:54:23 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KxW2S-3Hu000-06-AIR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:54:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KxW2S-3Hu000-06-AIR; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:14:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KxW2S-3Hu000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:14:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KxW2R-0007QM-NQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:14:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 334F2AA1C0A; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13434-03; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1930AA26C1; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:14:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:13:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2462EAA1C0A for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:13:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13293-06 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:13:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxout5.netvision.net.il (mxout5.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.29]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D43A3AA0C04 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:13:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from linux.bgnet ([89.138.163.35]) by mxout5.netvision.net.il (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPA id <0K9U004A73AU1G00@mxout5.netvision.net.il> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:13:43 +0200 (IST) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:13:42 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification In-reply-to: <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4910E536.10902@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080707) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1053 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mybg@netvision.net.il Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=5N91c5rKqiGRdBjj5ckA:9 a=okamiapan2YNwiHni2cA:7 a=wKNiDyG2zTTZ-SYTjTYGmXQzrfcA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.198 [270.8.6/1766] David Pilling wrote: > In message <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk>, Bernard G Hill > writes >>> Interestingly the bug also appears in the RISC OS version, but no >>> one has noticed for ten years, so I don't suppose I need to fix it >>> there ;-) >> Probably because, following the precept of Eric Gill, justification >> whether enhanced or not, is not generally used within the RiscOS >> community???? Mr > > Well there was a bug in the PostScript printer drivers, which was only > fixed by Robin Watts when he was working for ROSL - so long after > Acorn, which resulted in justified printing having a very ragged right > edge. That might have discouraged people from using it. > > Perhaps the pixel resolution of Windows has made the problem more > obvious. > > I do intend adding the fix to the RISC OS version. > Thanks! Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 5 11:57:36 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KxYx4-1ntknw-04-FuL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:57:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KxYx4-1ntknw-04-FuL; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:21:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KxYx4-1ntknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:21:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KxYx4-0001im-4p for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:21:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3F0FAA2046; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25931-07; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E64BAA268E; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:20:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B96CAA253C for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25841-07 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com (smtp12.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.74]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC569AA2539 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=webmail.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with smtp (Dentaku) id 1KxYwP-0003Ze-Fa for ; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:20:21 +0900 Received: from 133.91.169.246 (auth. user plattir@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:20:21 +0000 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:20:21 +0000 X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: <2U8f3NGi.1225855221.4653720.plattir@gol.com> In-Reply-To: <4910E536.10902@netvision.net.il> From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1054 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2AnR47O24-Yqu8By9pQA:9 a=kR4QbkmpHzdjLLkGS3gA:7 a=siNLVN4LnmA-bkwDvyKQSnvd_hQA:4 a=c5zHXd76wwQA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.198 [270.8.6/1769] 2008ª®¢´11·«Â5©¡«äª±ªØ¢ð¡Þ¢ðªÂ"Michael Ben-Gershon" ¢ðªÂ\«¡¢Â¼\«³¢ðª³¢ð«²¢ð«³¢ðª²¢Â¡ø >David Pilling wrote: >> In message <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk>, Bernard G Hill >> writes >>>> Interestingly the bug also appears in the RISC OS version, but no >>>> one has noticed for ten years, so I don't suppose I need to fix it >>>> there ;-) >>> Probably because, following the precept of Eric Gill, justification >>> whether enhanced or not, is not generally used within the RiscOS >>> community???? Mr >> >> Well there was a bug in the PostScript printer drivers, which was only >> fixed by Robin Watts when he was working for ROSL - so long after >> Acorn, which resulted in justified printing having a very ragged right >> edge. That might have discouraged people from using it. >> >> Perhaps the pixel resolution of Windows has made the problem more >> obvious. >> >> I do intend adding the fix to the RISC OS version. >> > >Thanks! > >Michael Ben-Gershon >mybg@netvision.net.il > Indeed, thanks Ian P. >To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling > To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 5 11:57:41 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KxegR-0G4000-03-AAy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:57:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KxegR-0G4000-03-AAy; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:28:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KxegR-0G4000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:28:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KxegR-0000qM-3d for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:28:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97727AA26F5; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16122-06; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 402CFAA2732; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:27:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86341AA26F5 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16052-01 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34646AA2602 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:27:35 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 191208089/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-ACCEPTED/f2s-freedom2Surf-customers/195.137.110.177/None/briancarroll@f2s.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 195.137.110.177 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: briancarroll@f2s.com X-MUA: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ap0HALP1EEnDiW6x/2dsb2JhbACBXclRg1M X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,549,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="191208089" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net (HELO wallace.) ([195.137.110.177]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 Nov 2008 09:27:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:24:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Mail Merge Problem with Ovation Pro (RO) Message-ID: <4ff9656178briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4ff9093acbSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> References: <4ff9093acbSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1055 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: briancarroll@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ZmilUi5zx90A:10 a=FlNRw38yasQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hSb_84ZuN08kPmTyOfsA:9 a=eJZrC08oOwuuMWgi74YA:7 a=tmNKY1KyXnT9-FtdUT7HKMxICQYA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.198 [270.8.6/1769] In article <4ff9093acbSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk>, Steve Joyce wrote: [Snip] > Cannot see anything wrong with the CSV file - it works ok with > Impression Publisher. However, Publisher won't do labels with > any degree of useful control. Oh yes it will. I have a template for 3 x 10 labels on A4 which I have used for years to print my Christmas card labels from a simple text file. Email privately if you want details. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, N Yorks, UK briancarroll at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 5 17:41:35 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Kxkev-4EWknw-03-Cj0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:41:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Kxkev-4EWknw-03-Cj0; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:51:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Kxkev-4EWknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:51:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kxkeu-00009i-UB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:51:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F5ABAA27CA; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17566-10; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0363AA2843; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:50:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E740AA27CA for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:50:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17515-03 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:50:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.talktalk.net (smtp-out-4.talktalk.net [62.24.128.234]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE34AAA27B6 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:50:26 -0500 (EST) X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AowTAO9PEUlOkchf/2dsb2JhbACND79mB4NM Received: from unknown (HELO iyonix) ([78.145.200.95]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 05 Nov 2008 15:50:25 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Mail Merge Problem with Ovation Pro (RO) To: davidpilling@freelists.org Cc: briancarroll@f2s.com From: Robin Phillips X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:30:49 GMT Message-ID: <2eea86f94f.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4ff9093acbSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> <4ff9656178briancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4ff9656178briancarroll@f2s.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1056 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: robin-phillips@talktalk.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ZmilUi5zx90A:10 a=FlNRw38yasQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uJGTUai_hVKFb9sYUiYA:9 a=_kicurNF9RRncMXTJz4A:7 a=dwg2JT8-tOQO9PPJobuvSsTJu3YA:4 a=kLgHpDIjQkwA:10 a=9OHTkwyHC8cA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.198 [270.8.6/1769] Dear colleagues, In message <4ff9656178briancarroll@f2s.com> Brian Carroll wrote: > In article <4ff9093acbSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk>, Steve Joyce > wrote: > > [Snip] > >> Cannot see anything wrong with the CSV file - it works ok with >> Impression Publisher. However, Publisher won't do labels with >> any degree of useful control. > > Oh yes it will. I have a template for 3 x 10 labels on A4 which > I have used for years to print my Christmas card labels from a > simple text file. Email privately if you want details. I would recommend Impact-3 relational database (with LabPrint) as a very versatile application to print labels. Best wishes, Robin Phillips. -- Robin Phillips, NG9 1BT To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 6 13:56:08 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ky5BI-08g00F-01-2D7P.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:56:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ky5BI-08g00F-01-2D7P; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:45:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ky5BI-08g00F-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:45:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ky4lc-0000Fk-Cm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:19:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4971AA2E6A; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:19:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24206-10; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:19:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D012AA31D2; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:19:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 08:18:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6056EAA2FF7 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24140-08 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 095AEAA2F76 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so818115uge.11 for ; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.106.19 with SMTP id i19mr558870ugm.46.1225977520943; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:18:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac334a9.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.169]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r38sm3561752ugc.54.2008.11.06.05.18.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:18:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4912EEAC.9080505@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:18:36 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and Windows antialiasing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1057 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=lLOKHCZfu_kA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lYdrkca5Bkx-zfiZNsUA:9 a=6lOrJ6LRM5kkubcZcIsA:7 a=t9bxPA5B_z8YHir_nzOf9dz8gy0A:4 a=rCILQYlsaxwA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1771] From the LCD display onscreen appearance of OPW documents in Windows XP, I had been under the impression that OPW did not make (proper) use of the Windows font smoothing facilities -- i.e. the appearance of text in OPW was decidedly "spidery" in comparison to the appearance of the same text in MSWORD. However, I have just downloaded and installed the Windows XP PowerToy version of the ClearType tuner [http://www.microsoft.com/typography/ClearTypePowerToy.mspx], and find that this improves the situation dramatically. Does anyone have tips for optimising font smoothing in OPW under XP? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 6 16:50:02 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ky60m-09800D-06-23lP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:50:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ky60m-09800D-06-23lP; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:40:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ky60m-09800D-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:40:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ky5x8-0005dc-Rv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:35:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0355EAA43F2; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02388-02; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0DB7AA442F; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:34:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1307AA43F2 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02252-04 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A244AA43C5 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Ky5wS-0001ud-nO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:34:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:33:16 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW and Windows antialiasing References: <4912EEAC.9080505@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4912EEAC.9080505@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1058 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=lLOKHCZfu_kA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3bxiXuIoTe9AmSjF9zQA:9 a=2Kr_ydUpRDg4bxEOaUkA:7 a=m19AuD5v7LUZalwTSafeoZ8jqXkA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1771] In message <4912EEAC.9080505@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >From the LCD display onscreen appearance of OPW documents in Windows >XP, I had been under the impression that OPW did not make (proper) use >of the Windows font smoothing facilities -- i.e. the appearance of text >in OPW was decidedly "spidery" in comparison to the appearance of the >same text in MSWORD. Hmm. Ovation Pro uses the Windows font manager, so results should be identical to any other program that uses it. I've used LCD screens for a long time, and I've always had Windows "Clear type" turned on, because it makes things look better. Years ago I used to say that if one spent a lot of money one could have results with Windows that were almost as good as RISC OS (years previously and for a much less) - i.e. with Cleartype. There are various programs around that let you adjust the clear type effect, I've used them and it does produce better results. Finally, software producers with deep enough pockets (Adobe) can produce their own font managers which produce superior results to Windows - this is not surprising given e.g. the RISC OS font manager. Makes one wonder what MS did with all the $billions 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 8 18:57:05 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KyszF-0pyknw-04-Aao.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:57:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KyszF-0pyknw-04-Aao; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:56:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KyszF-0pyknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:56:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kysz2-0003EN-Kl for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:56:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16841AA4796; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:56:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16520-06; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:56:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6A14AA47D2; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:55:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D346AA4796 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16372-07 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CABB3AA46C3 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so104681uge.11 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.239.16 with SMTP id m16mr646106ugh.36.1226170552937; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5acadcc8.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.200]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p39sm1078724ugd.56.2008.11.08.10.55.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:55:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4915E0B2.6080109@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:55:46 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Descreening halftone images Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1059 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uRWXn9ohz4AA:10 a=spPsRiWu7a4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=z6wtJhvg94NotMtf7qUA:9 a=Szn2oXTBa0NfgguESYcA:7 a=1Sck_KyQHfR4_gKplm-dJp7x55EA:4 a=6-x43y6uxGMA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1775] Not an OPW- or OP-specific question, but I'm hoping someone on this list will be able to give me the benefit of their experience ... I have a series of images scanned at 600 dpi from B&W "photos" in a book, which I want to import into an OPW document. Of course, the original halftone screen is visible and I want to descreen the images. Can anyone suggest a technique for doing this, or a piece of software (ideally for a Mac) that would serve the purpose? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 8 21:12:09 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Kyuz6-2c5knw-04-8ax.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:12:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Kyuz6-2c5knw-04-8ax; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:04:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Kyuz6-2c5knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:04:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kyuz1-0002Wd-EP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:04:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA196AA4CD2; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:04:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29377-01; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:04:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EDD1AA4D03; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:04:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:04:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FE21AA4C62 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29174-06 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2853AA4CAD for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20081108210346.QYAD1869.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:03:46 +0000 Received: from a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk ([81.111.57.237]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20081108210345.NJAR21638.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:03:45 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Descreening halftone images To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Anthony Hilton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:03:20 GMT Message-ID: <7add30fb4f.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> References: <4915E0B2.6080109@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4915E0B2.6080109@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mrlKyd5UYToA:10 a=VkfGCYNcLyAA:10 a=Pu9N6NHzYhCkbr92fOgA:9 a=Yq3i3hbzN3gUkPNoNq8A:7 a=n_cvQZ-XgFSjdX8MVwdjrAz9-ewA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1060 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uRWXn9ohz4AA:10 a=spPsRiWu7a4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Pu9N6NHzYhCkbr92fOgA:9 a=4CbzTZ3Vrn8SrXLPdMEA:7 a=n_cvQZ-XgFSjdX8MVwdjrAz9-ewA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1775] In message <4915E0B2.6080109@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > Not an OPW- or OP-specific question, but I'm hoping someone on this list > will be able to give me the benefit of their experience ... > I have a series of images scanned at 600 dpi from B&W "photos" in a > book, which I want to import into an OPW document. Of course, the > original halftone screen is visible and I want to descreen the images. > Can anyone suggest a technique for doing this, or a piece of software > (ideally for a Mac) that would serve the purpose? David Pilling's TWAIN driver has an option for Superscaling which I think is aimed at this situation. Does your scanning software offer any options? How will you be using the photographs? The answer may suggest that 600dpi is excessively detailed and a lower scan resolution may mask the half-tone screen to some extent. For example: use on a web page and they are likely to be viewed at around 90dpi; printed at same size using a 600dpi printer using a 90lpi screen a scan resolution of 150dpi is plenty. If you intend to print you either need to remove the exisiting screen to avoid the risk of interference fringes, or scan at 1 bit per pixel (pure BW, no greys) and rely on the existing half-tone screen to reproduce the greyscale - in this case the higher scan resolution will help. Once you have the appropriate scan resolution, most image manipulation software (eg DPlngScan to keep some relevance to this list) will allow you to blur an image, add noise and other manipulations which will hide the original half-tone screen. Look for options for Filters or Effects. I suggest you spend time playing with copies of one image applying different effects to each copy (single efects, combinations of different effects, the same effect applied multiple times...). Make notes of the effects applied each time so that when you fiind one you are happy with you can apply the same effect to the set. Anthony -- Anthony Hilton ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 8 21:42:10 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KyvM3-2vxknw-04-GkW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:42:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KyvM3-2vxknw-04-GkW; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:28:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KyvM3-2vxknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:28:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KyvM3-0003H4-7R for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:28:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F8E6AA50F7; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01721-06; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DD5AAA510A; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:27:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56335AA50F7 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01593-01 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:27:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2127EAA50EF for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1KyvLN-0006Va-jG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:27:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:26:08 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Descreening halftone images References: <4915E0B2.6080109@ed.ac.uk> <7add30fb4f.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7add30fb4f.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1061 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uRWXn9ohz4AA:10 a=spPsRiWu7a4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uG_GS4DYNVcVNRnWpuEA:9 a=t9gg5rVr4MZbEDO_y1MA:7 a=GVScQq1_zvMq_FM92Fkhib0yQEQA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1775] In message <7add30fb4f.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk>, Anthony Hilton writes >David Pilling's TWAIN driver has an option for Superscaling which I >think is aimed at this situation. Does your scanning software offer >any options? Super scaling consists of the scanner scanning at a high resolution, usually its optical resolution (so 600 dpi would be reasonable) and then passing the results through the same re-size filter as in DPScan (Edit->Resize, Lanczos in Choices->General). In other words you can emulate superscale using just DPScan and bitmaps. One thing the "super scale" feature is good for is scanning half toned images. So it is a reasonable suggestion. It was invented because some scanners have such poor interpolation that if you scan half tone images at lower resolutions you get horrible results - in other words scanning your images at a lower resolution might not be a good idea. Another suggestion would be to use the averaging filters in DPScan (Median, Average, Blur). However presumably something like PhotoShop has tools to do this job. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. 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FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 8 21:57:09 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Kyvie-3D1knw-02-GNv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:57:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Kyvie-3D1knw-02-GNv; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:51:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Kyvie-3D1knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:51:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kyvid-0000TT-KE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:51:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08721AA53AF; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06983-03-4; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92B3BAA53D2; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:51:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD2B2AA53AF for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06691-06-2 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:51:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A8DBAA53AB for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so124514uge.11 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:51:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.40.15 with SMTP id s15mr714760ugj.89.1226181067245; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:51:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5acadcc8.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.200]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x26sm1297292ugc.9.2008.11.08.13.51.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:51:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <491609C5.3020906@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:51:01 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Descreening halftone images References: <4915E0B2.6080109@ed.ac.uk> <7add30fb4f.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7add30fb4f.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1062 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uRWXn9ohz4AA:10 a=spPsRiWu7a4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=YO0wzDSgSreMQ17XQhsA:9 a=2hUlRR4UWwtCEPBl-18A:7 a=VO6wdI6C28loRZzAfvU7fko67LsA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=kJVaTwQnZmMA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1775] Anthony Hilton wrote: > In message <4915E0B2.6080109@ed.ac.uk> > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> I have a series of images scanned at 600 dpi from B&W "photos" in a >> book, which I want to import into an OPW document. Of course, the >> original halftone screen is visible and I want to descreen the images. > >> Can anyone suggest a technique for doing this, or a piece of software > > David Pilling's TWAIN driver has an option for Superscaling which I > think is aimed at this situation. Does your scanning software offer > any options? I don't have DP's TWAIN driver for this particular scanner, so I tend to do scanning via my Apple Mac. But now you mention it, I see that the EpsonScan software has a descreening setting, which does improve things. > How will you be using the photographs? The answer may suggest that > 600dpi is excessively detailed and a lower scan resolution may mask > the half-tone screen to some extent. These are to be published in a book. I have to provide camera-ready copy as high quality PDF. Probably 300 dpi for images would be sufficient, but I tend to scan at higher resolution then reduce the dpi in software, if necessary. I tend to control the scanner via Photoshop. Apparently, there is a descreening plugin for PS, but it seems to only be for the PC version (not Mac). But, after I sent out the email, I found a potential solution on the Internet ... which is (for those who have PS): 1. Scan the halftoned image at a resolution to yield approximately 4 pixels per halftone cell. (IOW, if the image is screened at 150 lpi, scan at 600 dpi). 2. Run the Median filter with a pixel radius of 3 (IOW, smaller than the individual halftone cell). 3. Run Unsharp Mask at 250% (or more), with a radius of 1.5, and a threshold of between 12 and 18 levels. 4. Play with the above settings to achieve optimum results. ++++++++++++++++++++ It was interesting to compare the results of the above PS method (steps 1-3) with the Epson descreening scan. EpsonScan produced a sharper image, but you can still see a fine halftone screen effect (tho' it's much improved over a basic B&W scan). With the PS method the halftone screen effect is no longer evident, but the image is very slightly blurred compared to the original -- the effect of using the Median filter (but not fully restored to sharpness by the USM settings), I guess. Thanks for the help. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 8 22:12:10 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Kyvue-3PTknw-07-GBv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:12:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Kyvue-3PTknw-07-GBv; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:04:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Kyvue-3PTknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:04:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kyvud-0002Pd-Ll for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:04:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DD6FAA558B; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09621-04; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:04:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C883CAA55EF; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:04:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:03:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A5A2AA558B for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:03:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09451-04 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:03:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A959AA55D0 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Kyvtz-0004DR-de for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:03:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:02:08 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1063 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=KlpS7LkuBZL9FM6e00kA:9 a=fVpm3kqZmtrVGJzXf_IA:7 a=ZwYkNnFlpb1DaWKlU27XovjZNrwA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1775] In message <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes >I do intend adding the fix to the RISC OS version. Version 2.77 6th. November 2008 available from: http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip Now we're in the post-Iyonix era, I'm wonder if I should convert my software to 26 bits... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 8 22:27:10 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Kyw9K-3aTknw-08-FxF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:27:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Kyw9K-3aTknw-08-FxF; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:19:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Kyw9K-3aTknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:19:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kyw9G-0002BY-Qm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:19:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40F5DAA4681; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12950-01; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6BE6AA43BD; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:18:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58627AA45A1 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12735-07 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED147AA43FE for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:18:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so127125uge.11 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.123.1 with SMTP id a1mr742049ugn.42.1226182718855; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5acadcc8.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.200]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y6sm1312093uge.28.2008.11.08.14.18.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:18:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49161039.3030105@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:18:33 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Descreening halftone images References: <4915E0B2.6080109@ed.ac.uk> <7add30fb4f.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1064 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uRWXn9ohz4AA:10 a=spPsRiWu7a4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=XNE7IqK1NJ3YwLMyP4YA:9 a=q-My91kUDmPxSxACbbUA:7 a=cjCmIDX8TT27Y2KpMg-77lE8p6wA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1775] David Pilling wrote: > In message <7add30fb4f.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk>, Anthony Hilton > writes >> David Pilling's TWAIN driver has an option for Superscaling which I >> think is aimed at this situation. Does your scanning software offer >> any options? > > Super scaling consists of the scanner scanning at a high resolution, > usually its optical resolution (so 600 dpi would be reasonable) and then > passing the results through the same re-size filter as in DPScan > (Edit->Resize, Lanczos in Choices->General). In other words you can > emulate superscale using just DPScan and bitmaps. > > One thing the "super scale" feature is good for is scanning half toned > images. So it is a reasonable suggestion. Is there a version of DPScan for Windows? I presume it's not built into OPW ... OPW's scan applet makes use of my existing Epson TWAIN driver. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 9 11:39:46 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KywPH-3juknw-03-FhI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:39:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KywPH-3juknw-03-FhI; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:35:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KywPH-3juknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:35:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KywPG-0000Os-QA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:35:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D6A7AA575E; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15904-04; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9821AA57B9; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:35:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3249DAA575E for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:35:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15781-03 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:35:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C68A7AA5721 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1KywOd-00055A-pL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:35:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:34:50 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Descreening halftone images References: <4915E0B2.6080109@ed.ac.uk> <7add30fb4f.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> <49161039.3030105@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49161039.3030105@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1065 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uRWXn9ohz4AA:10 a=spPsRiWu7a4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3P-L3YL1WTZj0QWwOtcA:9 a=rR_81-xZIESYcedaZxYA:7 a=RExVQWoMAO_a1U58QzTUCnc9hToA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1775] In message <49161039.3030105@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Is there a version of DPScan for Windows? Yes! > I presume it's not built into OPW ... OPW's scan applet makes use of >my existing Epson TWAIN driver. There is a full port of the RISC OS program to Windows. It is on the Ovation Pro for Windows CD, originally the idea was that you needed to register OPW to use it, but I think the latest version works without. ISTR there is even a version for 64 bit Windows, and both versions take advantage of multiple processors. Anyway the 32 bit version is available from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Extras/DPScan/InstallDPScan. exe It comes under "bundled software" in the CD contents. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 9 11:39:47 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KywQY-3mtknw-07-Fg1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:39:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KywQY-3mtknw-07-Fg1; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:37:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KywQY-3mtknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:37:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KywQT-0000BD-Aa for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:37:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6B31AA57CB; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:37:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16127-09; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:37:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A951AA5792; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:37:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:36:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1A67AA57D8 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:36:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15968-08 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:36:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73DDDAA57BB for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:36:27 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 192665781/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/f2s-temporary-group/79.69.255.198/None/lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.69.255.198 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-MUA: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: At0SAFujFUlPRf/G/2dsb2JhbACLOb0Kg1g X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,568,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="192665781" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 79-69-255-198.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO helvellyn) ([79.69.255.198]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 08 Nov 2008 22:36:26 +0000 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:28:17 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification Message-ID: References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1066 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uqmDUSUuykLnubXK7FYA:9 a=NzhThGsB4hv5kq786MYA:7 a=KTIy6ESQ039SGqJfi_VG1QI_PAMA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1775] On 8 Nov, David Pilling wrote in message : > In message <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > writes > > > I do intend adding the fix to the RISC OS version. > > Version 2.77 6th. November 2008 available from: > > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip Thanks; that's much appreciated. > Now we're in the post-Iyonix era, I'm wonder if I should convert my > software to 26 bits... I'm not sure that A9home owners would be too impressed... -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 9 11:39:48 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KywRO-3mjknw-01-FfB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:39:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KywRO-3mjknw-01-FfB; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:38:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KywRO-3mjknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:38:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KywRO-0002hB-DB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:38:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5395AA5807; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16323-04; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 854B8AA5803; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:37:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC5DFAA57F4 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:37:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16193-02 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:37:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.19]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79C66AA57D7 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=standalone) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1KywQi-00050t-Ql for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:37:21 +0000 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:35:10 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification Message-ID: References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Plusnet-Relay: ad73c8355debfa4903592c9241be7d7b X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1067 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=v6Aic-fSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=SOmIZEQJEMT5eFfw-ekA:9 a=qo1lcSD22UDnjweB6qcA:7 a=IitbByXwD5MXhhCj0GzdlKjdQnMA:4 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1775] In message of 8 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > In message <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling=20 > writes > >I do intend adding the fix to the RISC OS version. >=20 > Version 2.77 6th. November 2008 available from: >=20 > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip Many thanks for this. >=20 > Now we're in the post-Iyonix era, I'm wonder if I should convert my=20 > software to 26 bits... We are also in the post Risc PC era, so perhaps you should convert to 8 bits? --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 9 11:39:48 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Kywnp-43Kknw-06-FIk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:39:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Kywnp-43Kknw-06-FIk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:01:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Kywnp-43Kknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:01:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kywnp-0000Jt-1r for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:01:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F8FDAA5954; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:01:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20378-02-9; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:01:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B3A6AA5993; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:01:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:00:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CD25AA5954 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:00:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20216-03 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:00:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CB16AA5951 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so130948uge.11 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:00:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.243.12 with SMTP id q12mr743013ugh.77.1226185232878; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:00:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5acadcc8.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.200]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm1342675ugb.43.2008.11.08.15.00.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:00:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49161A0B.5030009@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:00:27 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Descreening halftone images References: <4915E0B2.6080109@ed.ac.uk> <7add30fb4f.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> <49161039.3030105@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1068 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uRWXn9ohz4AA:10 a=spPsRiWu7a4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=2T6FvsltKwR5E1Ax9FUA:9 a=XJbx3bj_ANU1L5udoWgA:7 a=NgjgzsRc3WyYZzQ2XcbUeJ60n0UA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1775] David Pilling wrote: > In message <49161039.3030105@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Is there a version of DPScan for Windows? > There is a full port of the RISC OS program to Windows. It is on the > Ovation Pro for Windows CD, originally the idea was that you needed to > register OPW to use it, but I think the latest version works without. > ISTR there is even a version for 64 bit Windows, and both versions take > advantage of multiple processors. Thanks. I would have known that at one time, but numerous reinstalls of Windows (and OPW) have affected my memory. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 9 11:39:59 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Kz8QA-2PdGPo-01-CCv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:39:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Kz8QA-2PdGPo-01-CCv; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:25:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Kz8QA-2PdGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:25:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kz8Q9-0000xY-RC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:25:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40B83AA87F3; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23586-01; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A9D0AA87EB; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:25:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 06:24:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4C61AA87BA for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23386-03 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 686CCAA87B4 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from Ionyx. (88-202-195-42.rdns.as8401.net [88.202.195.42]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mA9BOdAN020775 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:24:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 09:59:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Descreening halftone images Message-ID: <4ffb77e532john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4915E0B2.6080109@ed.ac.uk> References: <4915E0B2.6080109@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1069 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uRWXn9ohz4AA:10 a=spPsRiWu7a4A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=4RS4yEhqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=KV7AMX4qVebcSeMZF1IA:9 a=gDFAF69VOJRx-HUqgvIA:7 a=wPWTMll2o7JXOWmRMphQjtdTvagA:4 a=M3PvEdNFSBYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1775] > I have a series of images scanned at 600 dpi from B&W "photos" in a > book, which I want to import into an OPW document. Of course, the > original halftone screen is visible and I want to descreen the images. > Can anyone suggest a technique for doing this, or a piece of software > (ideally for a Mac) that would serve the purpose? I have done this reasonably successfully a couple of times by repeated use of the Filter (median or average, I forget which) in PlngScan. It needed a bit of trial and error -- John Harrison - http://www.jaharrison.me.uk Message sent from a British built Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 9 12:09:47 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Kz8tb-2sbGPo-01-BjU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:09:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Kz8tb-2sbGPo-01-BjU; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:55:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Kz8tb-2sbGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:55:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kz8ta-000275-Kj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:55:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B070AA8BBA; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30336-06; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25A4FAA8BE3; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 06:55:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E992AA8BBA for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30178-04 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85300AA8BBF for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 06:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Kz8sw-0004Dv-hE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:55:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:53:40 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1070 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=T6Zp1xwAF_UL67hmpEEA:9 a=bgmbdc9nxZxobDA4ADMA:7 a=XZveqVEzr2hpV5Gm6ribNCcRepcA:4 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1777] In message , Tim Powys-Lybbe writes >> Now we're in the post-Iyonix era, I'm wonder if I should convert my >> software to 26 bits... >We are also in the post Risc PC era, so perhaps you should convert to 8 >bits? No, the latest issue of Qercus made me see things anew. Castle, Iyonix, 32 bits etc. was a dead end, the future is ROSL and emulation. I was always in favour of 32 bits and against Virtual Acorn I guess there are more Virtual RPC users for whom 32 bit software is an irritation than there are A9 users. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From bernard@bapfish.org.uk Sun Nov 9 15:09:53 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KzBux-2vn000-02-8i8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:09:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KzBux-2vn000-02-8i8; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:09:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KzBux-2vn000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:09:35 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.147] (helo=ptb-relay03.plus.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KzBuw-0005yf-W0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:09:35 +0000 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1KzBub-0002NU-Fw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:09:14 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification To: David Pilling From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:07:21 GMT Message-ID: <321c94fb4f.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Plusnet-Relay: 4ae6238ad5222f352de5342656f7f64d X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jnqpvublAvgA:10 a=vPS7Wo46r4kA:10 a=h9ZVJP2mxgtJnjWX7UggFQ==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=X6ERjUvwAAAA:8 a=_llaoPGkgHDlc-Hj8N0A:9 a=2s7vR5_XZXMzvh8jfcSJtbV1TfkA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1777] On 8 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > In message <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > writes >>I do intend adding the fix to the RISC OS version. > Version 2.77 6th. November 2008 available from: > http://www.davidpilling.com/ovationpro/upgrade/op277.zip Thanks for the upgrade. Bernard -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 9 15:24:54 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KzC7u-3EH000-08-H1h.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:24:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KzC7u-3EH000-08-H1h; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:22:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KzC7u-3EH000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:22:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KzC7t-00012M-RW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:22:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66157AA9A2A; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06371-07; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8BC2AA9CE5; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 10:22:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19401AA9A2A for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06221-02 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31A8FAA9A29 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20081109152213.ITOL1691.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:22:13 +0000 Received: from a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk ([81.111.57.237]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20081109152213.OKXY19264.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@a9.a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:22:13 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Anthony Hilton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:21:50 GMT Message-ID: <866f95fb4f.Ant@a9.tinshill.f9.co.uk> References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.42) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jnqpvublAvgA:10 a=vPS7Wo46r4kA:10 a=thHN1vRghue4aCyphNIA:9 a=iJyEvSyqhRCI5BTSRIFrK5qAHQ0A:4 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1071 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=thHN1vRghue4aCyphNIA:9 a=y5r0XK8VzPJTvJTxSUgA:7 a=uEmKRDjSKNm1bO1wplQAJPjBRgwA:4 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1777] In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Tim Powys-Lybbe > writes >>> Now we're in the post-Iyonix era, I'm wonder if I should convert my >>> software to 26 bits... >>We are also in the post Risc PC era, so perhaps you should convert to 8 >>bits? > No, the latest issue of Qercus made me see things anew. Castle, Iyonix, > 32 bits etc. was a dead end, the future is ROSL and emulation. > I was always in favour of 32 bits and against Virtual Acorn > I guess there are more Virtual RPC users for whom 32 bit software is an > irritation than there are A9 users. I prefer OPro on my A9. Second preference is the RiscPC. If you push me to use a Windows box I'd probably go for OPW rather than VA Anthony -- Anthony Hilton ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 9 21:06:25 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KzG34-3E9knw-07-D6X.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:06:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KzG34-3E9knw-07-D6X; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:34:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KzG34-3E9knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:34:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KzG33-0002XU-RY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:34:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3767AAAB32; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29764-02; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 864DBAAAB14; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:33:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32CAFAAAB11 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:33:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29502-01 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:33:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.17]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECFAFAAA300 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1KzG2O-0003PO-77 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:33:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:33:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification Message-ID: <4ffbac795achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 257094f25e034c2f94356ddae7ddbe4f X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1072 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=j6tZzBLt6l6HMO2rI0YA:9 a=YnQCjQ5k8_dmX4Yx-Y8A:7 a=jUGTpIyJq2vqVf0wzTkqFl9nqz4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1778] In article , David Pilling wrote: > No, the latest issue of Qercus made me see things anew. Castle, > Iyonix, 32 bits etc. was a dead end, the future is ROSL and > emulation. > I was always in favour of 32 bits and against Virtual Acorn I do not normally enter into these sorts of discussions but I am rather puzzled here. I was under the impression that essentially all the 32-bit software produced for the Iyonix was '26/32-bit neutral' and would run on earlier machines. What software is specifically 32-bit, or causes problems on earlier machines? I think that without the Iyonix there would have been even less development of older software, and RISC OS would have been even deader than it now is. There was quite a flurry of software development (more than simply 32-bitting) when the Iyonix first came out. I do not believe that emulation has, of itself, brought any new software development, or new users. For my part, without the Iyonix, I should have left RISC OS years ago. I see little point running old software under emulation on a machine (PC/Mac/whatever) which has a multitude of superior native software. Just my 2p worth. Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 9 21:21:25 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KzHYh-0CMVbs-06-Bau.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:21:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KzHYh-0CMVbs-06-Bau; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:10:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KzHYh-0CMVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:10:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KzHYg-0002rG-RM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:10:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B98AAAAF9B; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17213-06; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07F99AAAFC0; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:10:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:10:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 141D7AAAF9B for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:10:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17035-05 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:10:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B70D5AAAF75 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:10:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so239324uge.11 for ; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.221.6 with SMTP id t6mr1517204ugg.14.1226265018517; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5acadcc8.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.200]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 39sm2700053ugb.43.2008.11.09.13.10.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:10:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <491751B8.1010404@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:10:16 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paste options in OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1073 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=o6WDnHpdOWUA:10 a=j8Ej87gj1BEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=zv35a1V2RNMUbLVWElkA:9 a=WjcG-bsLYZpO-baFOroA:7 a=_0LgWlXn4-Erg1yF-9bpmLNj8T0A:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1778] This is by way of an observation, rather than a "complaint" ... Because of the RTF import problems I reported a while ago, I've resorted to copying and pasting between MSWORD and OPW documents. I've noticed one minor problem ... possibly aggravated by the fact that I'm copying from the Mac version of WORD and pasting into OPW running under the VMware Fusion Windows emulator. My normal method is to select the text in the WORD document, and click Edit>Copy ... then in OPW Edit>Paste Clipboard So far, so good. However, every now and then is not available in the Edit menu. This tends to happen after I have copied and pasted some text within the OPW document ... thereafter, whatever I think I've copied to the clipboard in MacOS isn't recognized by OPW/Windows. Has anyone using OPW on a standard WinXP computer noticed this same behaviour (i.e between WINWORD and OPW)? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 9 21:36:28 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KzHoY-0RMVbs-03-BL3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:36:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KzHoY-0RMVbs-03-BL3; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:27:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KzHoY-0RMVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:27:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KzHoX-0002A6-Mr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:27:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F6CDAAB04F; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:27:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21096-07-2; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:27:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C23A1AAB04E; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:26:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDE91AAB01C for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20950-03 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9752FAAAE64 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:26:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1KzHns-00071B-kN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:26:40 +0000 Message-ID: <$VTlcGBtU1FJFwgg@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:25:01 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ffbac795achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4ffbac795achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1074 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=srY4MgZzhBPczmfRA1sA:9 a=6NhdczFTscLPgZ4S5oUA:7 a=kNteF83DylXcpds7B82oA6G2xtAA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1778] In message <4ffbac795achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes >rather puzzled here. I was under the impression that essentially all >the 32-bit software produced for the Iyonix was '26/32-bit neutral' >and would run on earlier machines. You are right, "32 bit" versions are almost always 26/32 bit. However, some users of 26 bit machines have had problems, for example with 32 bit software that requires the shared C library to be updated on 26 bit machines. The 32 bit versions of Ovation Pro require that all applets which use compiled code are replaced by 32 bit versions. For you and me these are trivial, but there are people who have thrown new versions in the bin as soon as the above problems appeared. >There was quite a flurry of software development (more than simply >32-bitting) when the Iyonix first came out. I do not believe that >emulation has, of itself, brought any new software development, or >new users. Those comments get to the nub, is emulation a good thing? I'm sure there would be many less users of RISC OS if there were no emulators. But the proponents of emulators said there would be lots of new users of RISC OS, I don't think that has happened. Emulation has a tendency to preserve the status quo - you can carry on using old versions of software and unlike Iyonix there is no need to improve the internal workings of RISC OS. >ago. I see little point running old software under emulation on a >machine (PC/Mac/whatever) which has a multitude of superior native >software. Ouch! 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 10 11:54:33 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KzIb1-1KIVbs-07-AYa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:54:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KzIb1-1KIVbs-07-AYa; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:17:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KzIb1-1KIVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:17:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KzIb0-0001Qc-Nq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:17:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 326A3AAB165; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32483-05-2; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF181AAB266; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:16:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F13AAAB0E6 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32326-04 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.orcon.net.nz (loadbalancer1.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.3]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0109FAA5D4C for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx2.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KzIaL-0007IH-KD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:16:45 +1300 Received: from [121.98.136.129] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by mx2.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KzIaL-0007I6-FE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:16:45 +1300 Message-ID: <49176152.7000406@dsign.co.nz> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:16:50 +1300 From: Tim King User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paste options in OPW References: <491751B8.1010404@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <491751B8.1010404@ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DSPAM-Check: by mx2.orcon.net.nz on Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:16:45 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Spam X-DSPAM-Processed: Mon Nov 10 11:16:45 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.4550 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.9912 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1075 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@dsign.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=o6WDnHpdOWUA:10 a=j8Ej87gj1BEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VsdwWlFlGnM1sm9pkvoA:9 a=XVQgEMmuWIifPEhdqLgA:7 a=Ic5acm-D-_kruFVn3R-eN_4jRT4A:4 a=c5zHXd76wwQA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1778] Clive Bonsall wrote: > Has anyone using OPW on a standard WinXP computer noticed this same > behaviour (i.e between WINWORD and OPW)? No, no matter how much I molest them. Word 2007 t -- T i m K i n g ... d e - S i g n +64 9 478.3114 72 Beulah Ave Rothesay Bay Auckland To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 10 11:54:35 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KzJXL-2ASVbs-02-9cG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:54:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KzJXL-2ASVbs-02-9cG; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:17:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KzJXL-2ASVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:17:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KzJXG-0005iw-DC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:17:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C6F4AAC07C; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09485-06; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40C34AAC089; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:05:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14E9EAABDB3 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09277-02-2 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay08.plus.net (pih-relay08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC779AAC51C for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay08.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1KzJIe-00063R-G6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:02:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:01:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification Message-ID: <4ffbbf85d8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <$VTlcGBtU1FJFwgg@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ffbac795achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <$VTlcGBtU1FJFwgg@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 3a27d9d6fc6534ba05196403c006b37e X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1076 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8olKs6o9GYoVO33lufUA:9 a=we9bgKwS5ZDxmJuGjlkA:7 a=-ZV1uKyOdWv-UMQlRgQgt8TalvEA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1778] In article <$VTlcGBtU1FJFwgg@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4ffbac795achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson > >I see little point running old software under emulation on a > >machine (PC/Mac/whatever) which has a multitude of superior native > >software. > Ouch! > 8-) Didn't mean to cause you pain, but I did see the smiley! Opro is one of the reasons I still use RISC OS, and I do have, of course, the windows versions of OPro, DPlingScan, etc, which I do use sometimes. I always found Word awful when I had to use it at work. Going off at a tangent - I have been (early) retired now for six years, but I was recently asked by the current head of department if I could supply some of my old physical chemistry lecture overheads (done in Opro/Draw mainly with some help from Techwriter for maths/equations) in a format suitable for powerpoint, since they couldn't produce similar stuff using the standard Microsoft apps. I suggested OPro for windows, but of course that wasn't on the University 'approved' apps, and would also cost money. I compromised and gave then PDF files in the end. I was really alluding to a range of posts in the Acorn newsgroups recently about getting some really old software (mainly internet related and audio/video stuff) running under VRPC - why use e.g. Fresco or Webster when there is Firefox or Opera? It is all water under the bridge, but a matter of history that there was a lot in the Acorn/RISC OS field that was way ahead of anything else available at the time, but the limited resources were not able to compete with big business across the pond. Anyway, none of this has much relevance to David Pilling Software, so I will call a halt to these contributions. Incidently, I have recently started going through some of my archived posts from this list with a view to updating the hints and tips section of my alternative OPro resources site, although I do wonder how much it is still used. Best regards Chris... -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 10 11:54:36 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KzKP4-2sdVbs-06-8kX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:54:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KzKP4-2sdVbs-06-8kX; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:13:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KzKP4-2sdVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:13:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KzKP3-0004D3-R1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:13:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50D1DAACAA9; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23463-03; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74003AACAC9; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:12:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38F2DAACAD3 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23314-01 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.145]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 039E9AACAA9 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:12:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=standalone) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1KzKOO-0006lv-Ga for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:12:32 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:09:22 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification Message-ID: References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ffbac795achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <$VTlcGBtU1FJFwgg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ffbbf85d8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4ffbbf85d8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Plusnet-Relay: 999ab89787c94026ab39f7643a9bfb03 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1077 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=v6Aic-fSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wN3_n89PxGYe32c15LoA:9 a=JMTqRE3iNwTZjU_L9L8A:7 a=Set5eNZsBLiToqzCRE8Yl8tvhhMA:4 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1778] In message of 9 Nov, Chris Johnson wrote: > Incidently, I have recently started going through some of my archived > posts from this list with a view to updating the hints and tips > section of my alternative OPro resources site, although I do wonder > how much it is still used. Glad to hear you are having another look at yoru hints and tips. But please put the address in your sig and then makes lots of small contribution to loadsagroups and mailing lists so that we are reminded of your site. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 10 11:54:39 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KzLfW-3neVbs-01-G0b.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:54:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KzLfW-3neVbs-01-G0b; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:34:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KzLfW-3neVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:34:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KzLfS-0003K6-0p for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:34:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DC0DAADAB3; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05081-01; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08567AADEEE; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:28:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3D72AADEA3 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04944-01 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp11.dentaku.gol.com (smtp11.dentaku.gol.com [203.216.5.73]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA5DBAAD494 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:28:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=webmail.gol.com) by smtp11.dentaku.gol.com with smtp (Dentaku) id 1KzLZz-0000wd-Rq for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:28:35 +0900 Received: from 222.148.125.37 (auth. user plattir@pp.mail.gol.com) by webmail.gol.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:28:35 +0000 To: "davidpilling@freelists.org" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:28:35 +0000 X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4ffbbf85d8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1078 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=YqJoBNsNKLnQhsJP8WcA:9 a=lmWTkjVxgVJbeQ73me8A:7 a=EdePYm9TsM9acCC1o5vdZZ0I29kA:4 a=c5zHXd76wwQA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1778] 2008$BG/(B11$B7n(B9$BF|IU$1$N(B"Chris Johnson" $B$N%a!<%k$K$h$k$H!'(B [snip] > >Incidently, I have recently started going through some of my archived >posts from this list with a view to updating the hints and tips >section of my alternative OPro resources site, although I do wonder >how much it is still used. > >Best regards > > Chris... > Oh, it's used :-) Please do carry on, Chris. And many thanks to David P. too. The apps are smooth, sensibe, easy to learn/use and the swift de-buggings, upgrades and hints and suggestions in clear, user-friendly laanguage simply a joy. Has anyone else here even _tried to contact_ M-S? The words 'blood and 'stone' spring to mind. Regards Ian P. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 10 12:24:35 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KzVhS-3uPVbs-01-EVB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:24:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KzVhS-3uPVbs-01-EVB; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:16:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KzVhS-3uPVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:16:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KzVhQ-00072N-J2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:16:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 243E0AAF7CB; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11783-05; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB103AAECB4; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:16:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3108AADDF3 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11325-01 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D342AAD6AE for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1KzVgg-000609-mY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:16:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:14:58 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paste options in OPW References: <491751B8.1010404@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <491751B8.1010404@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1079 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=o6WDnHpdOWUA:10 a=j8Ej87gj1BEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Vtr-nPS5jxhWCDKwnOwA:9 a=DlmsyCOYKFQSSu0mRzYA:7 a=AYeB3oU87J5yGADD4UqfitYlnMEA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1779] In message <491751B8.1010404@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >So far, so good. However, every now and then is not >available in the Edit menu. This tends to happen after I have copied >and pasted some text within the OPW document ... thereafter, whatever I >think I've copied to the clipboard in MacOS isn't recognized by >OPW/Windows. I have a feeling I may have seen this. Rarely and in conditions where I didn't know what was going on. Paste in OPW will be shaded out if OPW knows the clipboard contents have an unsuitable type. Since a range of types is usually offered (text as HTML, RTF, ASCII) that is not as simple as it may sem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 10 12:39:34 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KzVqW-4RgVbs-08-EM7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:39:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KzVqW-4RgVbs-08-EM7; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:26:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KzVqW-4RgVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:26:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KzVqR-0002uP-CW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:26:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D88CFAB0F7D; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14204-07; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85854AB0FBF; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:25:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9358AB0F7D for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14034-03 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92D50AB0F61 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1KzVpo-0005DO-Xk for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:25:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:24:36 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ffbac795achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <$VTlcGBtU1FJFwgg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ffbbf85d8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4ffbbf85d8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1080 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=I4CoAImwAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qGR8RULSveWoY66HXPMA:9 a=amFG-Jx7R4zYk4_K9T4A:7 a=TdHilDOPlLlnD6lt9IkmNx6_9o0A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1779] In message <4ffbbf85d8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes >couldn't produce similar stuff using the standard Microsoft apps. I >suggested OPro for windows, but of course that wasn't on the >University 'approved' apps I wonder who does the approving and on what basis. >, and would also cost money. I suspect anyone determined could use it for free, given the way the "try before you buy" system works. >Incidently, I have recently started going through some of my archived >posts from this list with a view to updating the hints and tips >section of my alternative OPro resources site, although I do wonder >how much it is still used. I imagine you will have log files on the server that tell you that. I think the glory days of Acorn, Ovation etc. are behind us. The contents of your resource site show how much enthusiasm there once was. Thanks for your support. The URL of Chris's site is: http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/ and the one on my web site (with index.html tacked on) is wrong... I will go and fix it. Actually there are two versions the one on the Windows CD area is wrong. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 10 12:54:35 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KzWAU-0rjGPo-03-E29.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:54:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KzWAU-0rjGPo-03-E29; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:46:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KzWAU-0rjGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:46:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KzWAT-0006kK-Pr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:46:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40679AB132E; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19006-07; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEF9CAB0E96; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:46:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:46:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EDA5DAAE62F for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18824-04 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12E9AAADAEB for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so358905uge.11 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:46:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.87.11 with SMTP id p11mr2040293ugl.32.1226321177013; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:46:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5acadcc8.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.200]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k27sm3657466ugd.48.2008.11.10.04.46.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:46:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49182D16.6060604@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:46:14 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paste options in OPW References: <491751B8.1010404@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1081 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=o6WDnHpdOWUA:10 a=j8Ej87gj1BEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=s__PQlSQbBxY_r_ZBUoA:9 a=wXGs0IG2mYIcZaBT-kwA:7 a=SKY-3OvZOTAusPbmrA3gHqgnjh0A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1779] David Pilling wrote: > In message <491751B8.1010404@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> So far, so good. However, every now and then is not >> available in the Edit menu. This tends to happen after I have copied >> and pasted some text within the OPW document ... thereafter, whatever >> I think I've copied to the clipboard in MacOS isn't recognized by >> OPW/Windows. > > I have a feeling I may have seen this. Rarely and in conditions where I > didn't know what was going on. > > Paste in OPW will be shaded out if OPW knows the clipboard contents have > an unsuitable type. Since a range of types is usually offered (text as > HTML, RTF, ASCII) that is not as simple as it may sem. Thanks. I'll see if I can pin down the exact circumstances under which it happens ... it may be, of course, that I'm doing the copying/pasting between applications that effectively are running on different OSs (Mac and Windows). -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 10 13:24:36 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KzWds-2STGPo-01-DYl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:24:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KzWds-2STGPo-01-DYl; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:17:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KzWds-2STGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:17:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KzWdq-0000xO-Fz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:17:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 884F8AB0D1C; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28778-01-3; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40BFCAB11E5; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:16:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26B30AB0D1C for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:16:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28544-06 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:16:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EDD5AB0CA0 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so367640uge.11 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:15:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.238.16 with SMTP id l16mr2055535ugh.38.1226322959412; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:15:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5acadcc8.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.200]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r38sm3712319ugc.54.2008.11.10.05.15.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:15:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4918340C.4040407@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:15:56 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - working with 2 windows open on same document Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1082 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jAK49oshMRIA:10 a=4uOgNdZKNtMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=deMXC6wiwi7MJdmOcoMA:9 a=l2IflNVeq6zBzVO2eb8A:7 a=UoVIANuQqgz4il1J-AakCLGjFAwA:4 a=kJVaTwQnZmMA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1779] Another little problem I'm having using OPW running under the VMware Fusion emulator on an Apple Mac ... A typical situation: I'm typesetting an article for a book, and want to check that all the references cited in the text are present in the bibliography (at the end of the article), and vice versa. So, I open 2 views on the document. In one window I search for each citation in turn; in the other I locate the reference in the bibliography. The problem is, when I click in the bibliography window, it affects the view shown in the other window ... e.g. if I find a citation on page 5 in window 1, as soon as I locate the reference in window 2 and click on it, window 1 reverts to a different page in the document. Can anyone suggest how to get window 1 to remain exactly where I left it? Does this happen with OPW running on a native Windows XP computer (vs under emulation on a Mac)? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 10 19:54:48 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Kzccu-0KP000-01-G6F.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:54:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Kzccu-0KP000-01-G6F; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:40:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Kzccu-0KP000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:40:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kzccq-0000Mu-5I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:40:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AE8CAB2CD1; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05502-04; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00B9EAB2DE2; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:56:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 870BBAB2CD1 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05266-03 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73CF1AB2CBF for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.136] (helo=anti-virus01-07) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Kzbuz-00022g-45 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:55:21 +0000 Received: from [82.36.140.97] (helo=x1-6-00-09-95-00-10-ba.) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Kzbuy-000587-Li for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:55:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ron. Briscoe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:51:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification Message-ID: <4ffc2c710cron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ffbbf85d8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ffbac795achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <$VTlcGBtU1FJFwgg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ffbbf85d8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1083 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wN3_n89PxGYe32c15LoA:9 a=If75TqdtCWLttmJRi7cA:7 a=ZbZHkfpO1osMsPZx3bgs9sZcmm8A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1779] In article <4ffbbf85d8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: [Snip] > Incidently, I have recently started going through some of my archived > posts from this list with a view to updating the hints and tips > section of my alternative OPro resources site, although I do wonder > how much it is still used. I certainly find them very helpful :-). Regards Ron. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 10 21:24:51 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Kze5P-2kM000-02-Edk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:24:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Kze5P-2kM000-02-Edk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:14:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Kze5P-2kM000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:14:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kze5I-0001S8-65 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:14:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FA48AB29F1; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23723-03; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C73CAB29DC; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:13:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F01DAB2A76 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:13:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23527-04 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:13:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF4C7AB2A08 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1Kze4c-0004QH-o9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:13:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:12:18 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - working with 2 windows open on same document References: <4918340C.4040407@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4918340C.4040407@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1084 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jAK49oshMRIA:10 a=4uOgNdZKNtMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OLN-jODbyS07NWwK1zUA:9 a=98gCqBOYD7tgVjkqzbQA:7 a=Q_xkKwj7dekCke3akA-8YS1lEtYA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1779] In message <4918340C.4040407@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >A typical situation: I'm typesetting an article for a book, and want to >check that all the references cited in the text are present in the >bibliography (at the end of the article), and vice versa. So, I open 2 >views on the document. In one window I search for each citation in >turn; in the other I locate the reference in the bibliography. The >problem is, when I click in the bibliography window, it affects the >view shown in the other window ... e.g. if I find a citation on page 5 >in window 1, as soon as I locate the reference in window 2 and click on >it, window 1 reverts to a different page in the document. This doesn't happen to me - I wonder though if the situation matters, the structure of the document or whatever. You say "window 1 reverts..." might be interesting to see what window 1 moves to, does it keep moving for each click or what. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 10 21:54:54 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KzeXy-3Tx000-02-EBB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:54:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KzeXy-3Tx000-02-EBB; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:43:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KzeXy-3Tx000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:43:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KzeXx-0002mH-Cc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:43:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99CA5AB3762; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28473-03; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E6EFAB3843; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:43:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41FE6AB376E for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:43:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28282-04 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:43:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FF3FAB3796 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:43:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so550463uge.11 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.25.9 with SMTP id c9mr2425543ugj.18.1226353372820; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5acadcc8.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.200]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i30sm4206872ugd.30.2008.11.10.13.42.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:42:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:42:49 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - working with 2 windows open on same document Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4918340C.4040407@ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1085 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jAK49oshMRIA:10 a=4uOgNdZKNtMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lEBzZ2Z4jym5Jr8vqhsA:9 a=CmfeCtFW2rWfmAmi0esA:7 a=s2HQBa8LzZo6xTx8sShQcYJdLSEA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1779] On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:12:18 -0000, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4918340C.4040407@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> A typical situation: I'm typesetting an article for a book, and want to >> check that all the references cited in the text are present in the >> bibliography (at the end of the article), and vice versa. So, I open 2 >> views on the document. In one window I search for each citation in >> turn; in the other I locate the reference in the bibliography. The >> problem is, when I click in the bibliography window, it affects the >> view shown in the other window ... e.g. if I find a citation on page 5 >> in window 1, as soon as I locate the reference in window 2 and click on >> it, window 1 reverts to a different page in the document. > > This doesn't happen to me - I wonder though if the situation matters, > the structure of the document or whatever. You say "window 1 reverts..." > might be interesting to see what window 1 moves to, does it keep moving > for each click or what. Interestingly, I couldn't replicate the behaviour today. But yesterday, as I recall, it kept moving back to the same page (p.5) in the document. Another feature was that clicking in W2 would momentarily highlight all the text back to the previous cursor position in W1 ... something else I haven't managed to replicate today. Hopefully, it was a one-off. But if it happens again, I'll try and document the behaviour in more detail. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 10 22:09:53 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Kzesu-42g000-04-DqF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:09:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Kzesu-42g000-04-DqF; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:05:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Kzesu-42g000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:05:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kzest-00025r-JP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:05:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DE46AB33CC; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31732-04; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ACE61AB377E; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:04:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B46AAB33CC for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31610-04 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:04:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9938AB3228 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:04:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1KzesF-00008K-g3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:04:43 +0000 Message-ID: <+7FF3rH4+KGJFwKP@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:03:36 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - working with 2 windows open on same document References: <4918340C.4040407@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1086 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jAK49oshMRIA:10 a=4uOgNdZKNtMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=IIYdt0HPgRAY5iskLTYA:9 a=_kz9oipjxkrkP3i96ywA:7 a=lRUJdJaQS0oT9yXJn0FD_HLToWkA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1779] In message , Clive Bonsall writes >Interestingly, I couldn't replicate the behaviour today. But yesterday, >as I recall, it kept moving back to the same page (p.5) in the >document. Another feature was that clicking in W2 would momentarily >highlight all the text back to the previous cursor position in W1 ... Which may explain why the window moved. > something else I haven't managed to replicate today. Hopefully, it >was a one-off. But if it happens again, I'll try and document the >behaviour in more detail. This makes me think that shift+click in Windows marks the caret to click, and I've had problems with Shift lock turning on in Windows and being hard to turn off. I think it is an accessibility feature, one presses the shift key a few times when thinking what to do next, and shift lock turns on... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 10 22:24:53 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Kzf1q-4H7000-06-DhJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:24:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Kzf1q-4H7000-06-DhJ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:14:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Kzf1q-4H7000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:14:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Kzf1p-0005Od-H4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:14:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB0BFAB381D; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32681-10; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97CD2AB2E16; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:13:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDE17AB381D for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:13:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32505-08 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:13:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6321CAB381B for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:13:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so559231uge.11 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:13:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.119.20 with SMTP id w20mr2426000ugm.78.1226355238508; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:13:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5acadcc8.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.200]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4sm4177687ugf.16.2008.11.10.14.13.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:13:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:13:55 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - working with 2 windows open on same document Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4918340C.4040407@ed.ac.uk> <+7FF3rH4+KGJFwKP@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <+7FF3rH4+KGJFwKP@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1087 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jAK49oshMRIA:10 a=4uOgNdZKNtMA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yYgiDhmP4Mo5tw0IFt0A:9 a=W1qKZJauP8VtrUqjlTgA:7 a=IbZv5vOeAs5nvsePYRp0NPv2IIcA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1779] On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:03:36 -0000, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Clive Bonsall > writes >> Interestingly, I couldn't replicate the behaviour today. But yesterday, >> as I recall, it kept moving back to the same page (p.5) in the >> document. Another feature was that clicking in W2 would momentarily >> highlight all the text back to the previous cursor position in W1 ... > > Which may explain why the window moved. > >> something else I haven't managed to replicate today. Hopefully, it was >> a one-off. But if it happens again, I'll try and document the >> behaviour in more detail. > > This makes me think that shift+click in Windows marks the caret to > click, and I've had problems with Shift lock turning on in Windows and > being hard to turn off. > > I think it is an accessibility feature, one presses the shift key a few > times when thinking what to do next, and shift lock turns on... Ah, could be. I often use shift + right cursor key to select text ... because right click with Apple's mighty mouse is a bit hit and miss. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 11 12:20:25 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KzgKb-1IRknw-06-COY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:20:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KzgKb-1IRknw-06-COY; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:38:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KzgKb-1IRknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:38:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KzgKb-0004Jg-AM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:38:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0C48AB3308; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09862-03; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73700AB3529; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:37:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B3CCAB3308 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:37:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09675-08 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:37:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.17]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 509AEAB30CF for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=standalone) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1KzgJw-0000jC-KD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:37:24 +0000 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:36:03 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Paste options in OPW Message-ID: References: <491751B8.1010404@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <491751B8.1010404@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Plusnet-Relay: ae97730c2439daadf0bbe6cd63ae4df2 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1088 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=o6WDnHpdOWUA:10 a=j8Ej87gj1BEA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=v6Aic-fSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=WSyfUJAaaY7Y8e-NHYUA:9 a=WHKSWKu81rpZVxn1Nx8A:7 a=rHjFxFp5ypt0KZY4acI92QPbXm4A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.0/1779] In message of 9 Nov, Clive Bonsall wrote: > This is by way of an observation, rather than a "complaint" ... >=20 > Because of the RTF import problems I reported a while ago, I've resorte= d=20 > to copying and pasting between MSWORD and OPW documents. I've noticed=20 > one minor problem ... possibly aggravated by the fact that I'm copying=20 > from the Mac version of WORD and pasting into OPW running under the=20 > VMware Fusion Windows emulator. >=20 > My normal method is to select the text in the WORD document, and click=20 > Edit>Copy ... then in OPW Edit>Paste Clipboard >=20 > So far, so good. However, every now and then is not=20 > available in the Edit menu. This tends to happen after I have copied an= d=20 > pasted some text within the OPW document ... thereafter, whatever I=20 > think I've copied to the clipboard in MacOS isn't recognized by OPW/Win= dows. >=20 > Has anyone using OPW on a standard WinXP computer noticed this same=20 > behaviour (i.e between WINWORD and OPW)? Not quite a standard WinXP machine as it is running under Fusion on a Mac but I can do the above copy and paste from Word in Windows to OPW with no trouble. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 19 17:30:35 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L2hxt-1DFVbs-07-CIc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:30:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L2hxt-1DFVbs-07-CIc; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:59:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L2hxt-1DFVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:59:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L2hxq-0003bA-Jd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:59:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C846AABBB3F; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04720-02; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E645ABC12E; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:58:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF1DCABBB3F for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:58:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03541-05 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:58:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx6.orcon.net.nz (mx6.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.56]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5EB5ABBAE4 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx6.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2hwx-0000dA-AT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:58:11 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx6.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2hwx-0000d3-1L for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:58:11 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:59:28 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] type=5 error with OvPro file Message-ID: <5000934b7atheboss@webmonster.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx6.orcon.net.nz on Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:58:11 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 19 20:58:11 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.9613 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1089 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: theboss@webmonster.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=myHe5tiS_AsA:10 a=LOCcYhU9YhwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=PNJwejb-q00lvwyAAkAA:9 a=FcSFBO2EOZmA4Hwx0EIA:7 a=SJSDt6EMadbIfCylcm1q-1nyTroA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.4/1794] Hi all, I am trying to edit one of my OvationPro files on SA RiscPC 4.39. Using latest version of OvPro (6-Nov-08). Every time I attempt to type I get a type=5 error. If I save it as a DDL file it refuses to reload giving the error: Object already created @ 7436 I'm in a bit of a pickle because I want to use the modified file for a test I'm giving tomorrow... Zipped file is 131KB if anyone wants to look at it. regards, -- Robert Greenfield HOD Music Spotswood College To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 19 17:30:35 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L2jxc-3mVknw-08-AIt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:30:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L2jxc-3mVknw-08-AIt; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:07:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L2jxc-3mVknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:07:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L2jxY-0002hh-Pf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:07:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80C63ABBE71; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11487-07; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D765ABC089; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:06:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31E4DABBE71 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11222-07 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.19]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33AF3ABBE47 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:06:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock.localdomain) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1L2jwl-0004XU-CI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:06:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:05:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: type=5 error with OvPro file Message-ID: <50009ed2cechris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <5000934b7atheboss@webmonster.co.nz> References: <5000934b7atheboss@webmonster.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Plusnet-Relay: 0f873a8f2c7960772a35357d768fd462 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1090 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HxVIbglX5woA:10 a=0U5hrBQHhbcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=a3TGJ9r7PoOlMZRqED0A:9 a=K7lI0dvDpDvw9rPpOz4A:7 a=czZK_uibASoFru0ITwGQ7YGw2xIA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.4/1794] In article <5000934b7atheboss@webmonster.co.nz>, Robert Greenfield wrote: > Zipped file is 131KB if anyone wants to look at it. You are welcome to send it to me (off list of course). chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com -- Chris Johnson To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 19 17:30:35 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L2kJd-0mCknw-03-9ws.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:30:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L2kJd-0mCknw-03-9ws; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:29:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L2kJd-0mCknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:29:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L2kJY-0005de-Ox for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:29:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E04FABBBDD; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:29:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18463-05; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:29:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4F38ABBF23; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:29:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:29:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE7F8ABBBDD for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18256-05 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx4.orcon.net.nz (mx4.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60FA0ABBB68 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Debian-exim by mx4.orcon.net.nz with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1L2kIt-0002JB-DY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:28:59 +1300 Received: from [60.234.184.59] (helo=mysteriousmrf.my.home) by mx4.orcon.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1L2kIs-0002Ig-Ve for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:28:59 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robert Greenfield To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:30:18 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: type=5 error with OvPro file Message-ID: <5000a11aebtheboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <50009ed2cechris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <5000934b7atheboss@webmonster.co.nz> <50009ed2cechris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-DSPAM-Check: by mx4.orcon.net.nz on Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:28:59 +1300 X-DSPAM-Result: Innocent X-DSPAM-Processed: Wed Nov 19 23:28:59 2008 X-DSPAM-Confidence: 0.8505 X-DSPAM-Probability: 0.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1091 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: theboss@webmonster.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HxVIbglX5woA:10 a=0U5hrBQHhbcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=an63MGxJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=TfJBuEgTNKAks27L2ggA:9 a=RJgEKBIFXLSd9ra_B6sA:7 a=AZAwIZxDP4v4VNdoCVIIdfEwFBQA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.4/1794] On 19 Nov, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <5000934b7atheboss@webmonster.co.nz>, > Robert Greenfield wrote: > > Zipped file is 131KB if anyone wants to look at it. > You are welcome to send it to me (off list of course). > chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com To get around the problem I've created a new (and better!) document by cutting and pasting from the old one, so the urgency has passed. However, I have narrowed the problem down somewhat. It is to do with the text frame on the first page. If you type in it, or move either of two small graphics (drawfile) frames which are on top of it then I get an instant type=5. Tomorrow I'll investigate further then send the file if anyone is still interested in having a poke around. regards, -- Robert Greenfield Webmonster. RISC OS and Acorn solutions. - http://www.webmonster.co.nz/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 19 22:00:11 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L2uxl-3w6000-04-GLm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:00:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L2uxl-3w6000-04-GLm; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:51:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L2uxl-3w6000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:51:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L2uxk-0004mD-Qr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:51:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4EFBAABCE90; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16076-04; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED825ABCE7C; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:51:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4606BABCE0F for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15866-04 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F774ABCEA1 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L2ux6-0005dM-jG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:51:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:49:59 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: type=5 error with OvPro file References: <5000934b7atheboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <5000934b7atheboss@webmonster.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1092 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HxVIbglX5woA:10 a=0U5hrBQHhbcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VZlOqjXcgtWWfBOY9PcA:9 a=KSWeEe__0h9fG9F8N58A:7 a=Mk465SapxgADygtzYdg_tvNrngkA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.7/1799] In message <5000934b7atheboss@webmonster.co.nz>, Robert Greenfield writes >I am trying to edit one of my OvationPro files on SA RiscPC 4.39. Using >latest version of OvPro (6-Nov-08). >Every time I attempt to type I get a type=5 error. >If I save it as a DDL file it refuses to reload giving the error: >Object already created @ 7436 >I'm in a bit of a pickle because I want to use the modified file for a >test I'm giving tomorrow... >Zipped file is 131KB if anyone wants to look at it. I'd be interested to look - send it by private email, not to the list. Obviously it's a bad situation, my general advice is that you can clean up documents by saving as DDL and then reloading the DDL, something you could do occasionally, and not just when things go wrong. Second don't propagate documents, i.e. creating a new document by editing an old one. The problem with this is that if you keep using old documents damage done by bugs long fixed keeps appearing. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 20 20:59:58 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L3GWr-0bq000-01-Bpi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:59:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L3GWr-0bq000-01-Bpi; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:53:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L3GWr-0bq000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:53:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L3GWr-0002oW-De for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:53:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF894ABC9EF; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06520-07; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BD53ABC9F6; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:52:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC49EABCA11 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:52:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06295-07 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:52:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 681A8ABC9FA for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so415812uge.11 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:52:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.238.16 with SMTP id l16mr3816644ugh.38.1227214367555; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:52:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33403.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.3]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m38sm1055353ugd.51.2008.11.20.12.52.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:52:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4925CE1C.6010703@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:52:44 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Black is Black, or not Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1093 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6NaqPlG5p6AA:10 a=P4c_O_vNVhAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qcQE6JEirdxOGaZZDEYA:9 a=5eRr0Benk4Xh_gD2780A:7 a=O7QOJfyg1tKwYEfGgm2p4UYxf_0A:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.8/1801] I have two OPW documents created from the same Master Page and with the same Styles, Fonts, etc. In one of the documents, the text appears as I would expect - a strong BLACK colour/tint. In the other, BLACK is a DARK GREY. If I open the colour picker on each document in turn, I can see a clear difference in the "BLACK" tint. What has gone wrong? And how do I correct it? What should I be looking for in the DDL? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 20 21:44:59 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L3H9r-1Ayknw-03-BCi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:44:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L3H9r-1Ayknw-03-BCi; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:33:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L3H9r-1Ayknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:33:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L3H9d-0007Bd-0M for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:33:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C4A5ABC812; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:33:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15540-07; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:33:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4C30ABCC6A; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:32:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91125ABC8E2 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15181-07 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74797ABC812 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so429191uge.11 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:32:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.10.8 with SMTP id n8mr3836573ugi.81.1227216755233; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:32:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33403.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.3]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p34sm1097756ugc.29.2008.11.20.13.32.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:32:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4925D770.5070804@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:32:32 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Black is Black, or not References: <4925CE1C.6010703@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4925CE1C.6010703@ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1094 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6NaqPlG5p6AA:10 a=P4c_O_vNVhAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-exu93MYhiUAAcKPPvoA:9 a=MwQ_bOFUsGeaj4ajLTgA:7 a=EuWUtNiTz0x1K11sYSpc9u1moN8A:4 a=955elKCOoL8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.8/1801] Clive Bonsall wrote: > I have two OPW documents created from the same Master Page and with the > same Styles, Fonts, etc. > > In one of the documents, the text appears as I would expect - a strong > BLACK colour/tint. In the other, BLACK is a DARK GREY. If I open the > colour picker on each document in turn, I can see a clear difference in > the "BLACK" tint. > > What has gone wrong? And how do I correct it? What should I be looking > for in the DDL? Solved it. For some reason the following line in the DDL ... COL_01={colour "Black" {cmyk 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x10000}{lock 1}{overprintlimit 0xe666}} ... had changed to: COL_01={colour "Black" {cmyk 0x0 0x0 0x0 0xcccc}{lock 1}{overprintlimit 0xe666}} -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 20 22:00:00 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L3HKl-4VS000-01-B1o.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:00:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L3HKl-4VS000-01-B1o; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:45:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L3HKl-4VS000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:45:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L3HKe-0002aI-I9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:45:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3F19ABBAB6; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18240-10; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D64BABCA94; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:44:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:44:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69AD8ABBAB6 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18018-02 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34708ABBA50 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L3HJx-00054Z-gG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:44:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:42:49 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Black is Black, or not References: <4925CE1C.6010703@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4925CE1C.6010703@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1095 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6NaqPlG5p6AA:10 a=P4c_O_vNVhAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=RpWFkc-Pe6xD3Cj-XpkA:7 a=7vxoOnT-w30oe8QvSX9G1hvNMCwA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=c5zHXd76wwQA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.8/1801] In message <4925CE1C.6010703@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >I have two OPW documents created from the same Master Page and with the >same Styles, Fonts, etc. > >In one of the documents, the text appears as I would expect - a strong >BLACK colour/tint. In the other, BLACK is a DARK GREY. If I open the >colour picker on each document in turn, I can see a clear difference in >the "BLACK" tint. > >What has gone wrong? And how do I correct it? What should I be looking >for in the DDL? It is possible to redefine colours: Misc->Edit Colour click on black click on Edit by that means you could make "black" pink. In this context you'd be more likely to use the above route to check if black is defined as black in both documents. That brings up questions like is black defined in the same colour model, and if the model is CMYK how is black defined - as 100%K or 100% of CMY (and possibly K). Colour definitions are near the start of DDL. So you'd probably load the DDL into Notepad and search for "black". Less sophisticated, you could just have bodytext defined as a different tint of black. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Nov 21 11:45:04 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L3Hji-1rrknw-04-Acr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:45:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L3Hji-1rrknw-04-Acr; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:10:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L3Hji-1rrknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:10:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L3Hjh-0007cF-Gk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:10:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7434ABC347; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24950-07; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96E30ABC468; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:10:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6E6EABC347 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:10:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24704-08 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:10:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C721ABAA9E for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:10:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so439928uge.11 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.88.7 with SMTP id q7mr3854980ugl.76.1227219013083; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5acadc2b.bb.sky.com [90.202.220.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u7sm18086uge.15.2008.11.20.14.10.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:10:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4925E041.3010001@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:10:09 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Black is Black, or not References: <4925CE1C.6010703@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1096 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6NaqPlG5p6AA:10 a=P4c_O_vNVhAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=eyXjYdsEjybEk0gWBK4A:9 a=3_056lc0BGr_sHISHnEA:7 a=jIjQBRwzEVBC83HdgnTDgUhZR0MA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.8/1801] David Pilling wrote: > > > In message <4925CE1C.6010703@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> I have two OPW documents created from the same Master Page and with >> the same Styles, Fonts, etc. >> >> In one of the documents, the text appears as I would expect - a strong >> BLACK colour/tint. In the other, BLACK is a DARK GREY. If I open the >> colour picker on each document in turn, I can see a clear difference >> in the "BLACK" tint. >> >> What has gone wrong? And how do I correct it? > > It is possible to redefine colours: > > Misc->Edit Colour > click on black > click on Edit > > by that means you could make "black" pink. In this context you'd be more > likely to use the above route to check if black is defined as black in > both documents. That brings up questions like is black defined in the > same colour model, and if the model is CMYK how is black defined - as > 100%K or 100% of CMY (and possibly K). That's useful to know, thanks. In the rogue document CMY all = 0 and K = 80. Setting K = 100 fixes the problem. I must have changed the settings accidentally. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 23 12:14:33 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L4CLQ-0SSGPo-04-Dgl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:14:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L4CLQ-0SSGPo-04-Dgl; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:37:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L4CLQ-0SSGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:37:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L4CLP-0002Li-U8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:37:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69467ABD3FC; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14317-02; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C429ABD621; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:36:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C87E6ABD533 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13557-10 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73AA4ABD52C for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so530251uge.11 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:36:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.115.5 with SMTP id s5mr1271126ugm.54.1227436615425; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:36:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac334bf.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.191]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w40sm1621084ugc.6.2008.11.23.02.36.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:36:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49293244.3070704@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:36:52 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - disappearing pictures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1097 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oR51S6ApUbkA:10 a=uzGFkmqwcEQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VWvOvttfLUESvImllpoA:9 a=AAhV-4Jk8Rr1zfwA8JgA:7 a=1605E7_TJArpZmQB1XWmstlt0vcA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.9/1804] I have an OPW document created at least a year ago, which contains several B&W pictures. I'm guessing that the pictures were copied and pasted from an original MSWORD document. The pictures are visible in the OPW document, but when I print the file to PDF using Acrobat Distiller, the pictures are not visible in the PDF. Is this as expected? Is there away of making them visible in the PDF, or should I be thinking of redrawing the pictures, saving them in DRAW or TIFF format, then reimporting them into OPW? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 23 12:29:23 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L4Dxg-1vF000-01-C4V.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:29:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L4Dxg-1vF000-01-C4V; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:21:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L4Dxg-1vF000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:21:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L4Dxc-0007kA-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:21:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7399FABD235; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:21:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31904-10; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:21:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31364ABDB48; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:21:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:20:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 301C1ABD235 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:20:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31754-07 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:20:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECA96ABCF4C for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L4Dwy-0006fi-mf for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:20:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:19:23 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - disappearing pictures References: <49293244.3070704@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49293244.3070704@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1098 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oR51S6ApUbkA:10 a=uzGFkmqwcEQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LkwMx1_RyxpZ1sndmk4A:9 a=nDmchCVnkMKZUFDvtvsA:7 a=G1RHwV5lyZrqI5KXuMdkLpye68EA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.9/1806] In message <49293244.3070704@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >I have an OPW document created at least a year ago, which contains >several B&W pictures. I'm guessing that the pictures were copied and >pasted from an original MSWORD document. The pictures are visible in >the OPW document, but when I print the file to PDF using Acrobat >Distiller, the pictures are not visible in the PDF. > >Is this as expected? Is there away of making them visible in the PDF, >or should I be thinking of redrawing the pictures, saving them in DRAW >or TIFF format, then reimporting them into OPW? My guess is this. Your pictures are Windows meta files or enhanced meta files, and you have Ovation Pro set up to do "direct PostScript". OP can't generate PostScript for meta files. The obvious fix is to turn off direct PostScript, that works as long as you don't have a good reason for wanting direct PostScript turned on. If you do need direct PS, then you'll have to convert the meta files to some other format. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 23 12:44:23 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L4EAf-209Vbs-08-BrW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:44:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L4EAf-209Vbs-08-BrW; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:34:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L4EAf-209Vbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:34:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L4EAe-0000nx-Ey for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:34:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49499ABD747; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01715-04; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D73F6ABD80B; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:33:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6375CABD7E3 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:33:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01495-01 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:33:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9FA2ABD7DA for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so540188uge.11 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:33:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.23.5 with SMTP id a5mr1360225ugj.5.1227443634588; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:33:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac334bf.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.191]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w28sm1685947uge.5.2008.11.23.04.33.52 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:33:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:33:52 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - disappearing pictures Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49293244.3070704@ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1099 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oR51S6ApUbkA:10 a=uzGFkmqwcEQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=oLGYHJpm48bpUC5C7_AA:9 a=1cNwQSqv_DXSiv1n-vIA:7 a=MVEbrjmYrxsz0IWzTUBzXA8lXugA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.9/1806] On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:19:23 -0000, David Pilling wrote: > In message <49293244.3070704@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> I have an OPW document created at least a year ago, which contains >> several B&W pictures. I'm guessing that the pictures were copied and >> pasted from an original MSWORD document. The pictures are visible in >> the OPW document, but when I print the file to PDF using Acrobat >> Distiller, the pictures are not visible in the PDF. >> >> Is this as expected? Is there away of making them visible in the PDF, >> or should I be thinking of redrawing the pictures, saving them in DRAW >> or TIFF format, then reimporting them into OPW? > > My guess is this. Your pictures are Windows meta files or enhanced meta > files, and you have Ovation Pro set up to do "direct PostScript". OP > can't generate PostScript for meta files. > > The obvious fix is to turn off direct PostScript, that works as long as > you don't have a good reason for wanting direct PostScript turned on. > > If you do need direct PS, then you'll have to convert the meta files to > some other format. Yes, I suspect they are WMFs. In this particular case, I could switch off direct PostScript ... but I tend to have it switched on by default because, if it's not switched on, then in certain documents that contain TIFF pictures, I find that a thin black line sometimes appears along the edge of the picture in the resulting PDF. I don't know why this happens, but having direct PS on seems to prevent it happening. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 23 14:14:27 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L4Fg6-2GOknw-01-AM5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:14:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L4Fg6-2GOknw-01-AM5; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:11:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L4Fg6-2GOknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:11:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L4Fg5-0005Wv-Ns for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:11:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 349E6ABC5CB; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23334-06; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD9E8ABDB80; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:10:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8237FABC5CB for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21652-06 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A172ABBBA1 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:10:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L4FfR-0004RG-ga for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:10:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:08:51 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - disappearing pictures References: <49293244.3070704@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1100 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oR51S6ApUbkA:10 a=uzGFkmqwcEQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ADesiKfcTCBooQFkgUMA:9 a=JpUR5DWRg04eI8qZX64A:7 a=DTUyPgRp6DS4YjYttE-8NTn3gBkA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.9/1806] In message , Clive Bonsall writes >Yes, I suspect they are WMFs. In this particular case, I could switch >off direct PostScript ... but I tend to have it switched on by default >because, if it's not switched on, then in certain documents that >contain TIFF pictures, I find that a thin black line sometimes appears >along the edge of the picture in the resulting PDF. I don't know why >this happens, but having direct PS on seems to prevent it happening. The thin black lines are probably because the pictures don't fill the frames. There's an old problem, about "scale to fit", ideally this should make a picture just fill a frame with no pixels of background visible and no pixels of picture invisible. To achieve this I suppose one would have to have a flag that said "this picture should just fill the frame", well I didn't think of that on day one, and just allowed the program to specify a scale, the result is that if you render things in enough ways gaps appear. BTW there are no TIFF files in documents, TIFF is not a natively supported format, so the TIFF files will have been converted to some other format - .bmp -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 23 14:44:28 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L4Fy4-0WDVbs-03-A47.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:44:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L4Fy4-0WDVbs-03-A47; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:29:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L4Fy4-0WDVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:29:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L4Fy3-00056C-TI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:29:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5ED3DABCD9D; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30527-04; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2165EABC8A3; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:29:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E69CFABC457 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29553-02 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91D06ABC3D0 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so553686uge.11 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.90.10 with SMTP id s10mr1378762ugl.8.1227450543709; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac334bf.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.191]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k2sm1753816ugf.21.2008.11.23.06.29.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 06:29:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <492968AC.3070201@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:29:00 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - disappearing pictures References: <49293244.3070704@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1101 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oR51S6ApUbkA:10 a=uzGFkmqwcEQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=C0bNvpB88RbWla51EqYA:9 a=8IOKw0fTdbleS5iuhJwA:7 a=PA1UAuD5eRFKAlsnlFihELlyGmIA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.9/1806] David Pilling wrote: > In message , Clive Bonsall > writes >> I find that a thin black line sometimes >> appears along the edge of the picture in the resulting PDF. I don't >> know why this happens, but having direct PS on seems to prevent it >> happening. > > > The thin black lines are probably because the pictures don't fill the > frames. > > There's an old problem, about "scale to fit", ideally this should make a > picture just fill a frame with no pixels of background visible and no > pixels of picture invisible. Hmmm ... well, I tend to use "scale to fit", but the black lines still appear occasionally. Perhaps I should make the picture go fractionally beyond the frame boundaries. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 23 15:59:30 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L4HKe-3qKVbs-02-8hX.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:59:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L4HKe-3qKVbs-02-8hX; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:57:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L4HKe-3qKVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:57:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L4HKd-0003Uh-Ol for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:57:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41862ABDB1C; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06343-05; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB221ABDB93; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:56:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8D21ABDB1C for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:56:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05530-04 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:56:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C7CBABD6D9 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:56:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L4HJz-0006Ui-iI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:56:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:55:12 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - disappearing pictures References: <49293244.3070704@ed.ac.uk> <492968AC.3070201@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <492968AC.3070201@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1102 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oR51S6ApUbkA:10 a=uzGFkmqwcEQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=rFt4gkFqfph1s-w8foYA:7 a=A60wAJiQbqsZYDe_p8IIvmM8wK0A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.9/1806] In message <492968AC.3070201@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Hmmm ... well, I tend to use "scale to fit", but the black lines still >appear occasionally. Perhaps I should make the picture go fractionally >beyond the frame boundaries. Exactly. You can't rely on scale to fit to produce something that is pixel perfect. My previous comments were saying that scale to fit does not work in the way that would be most useful. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 23 18:14:36 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L4JFW-2Ae000-04-FJB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:14:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L4JFW-2Ae000-04-FJB; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:59:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L4JFW-2Ae000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:59:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L4JFV-0000Ol-Pc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:59:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44752ABCD29; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21805-02; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F042FABD24D; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:59:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD2BAABCD29 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21057-10 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 776DEABCCAB for ; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L4JEs-00003Q-ag for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:59:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:58:14 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: type=5 error with OvPro file References: <5000934b7atheboss@webmonster.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <5000934b7atheboss@webmonster.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1103 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HxVIbglX5woA:10 a=0U5hrBQHhbcA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VZlOqjXcgtWWfBOY9PcA:9 a=wG5IHOdkf26vSqQn4-sA:7 a=1Ke9ZkYIHlZ7t1C1zLOUvuJq0V4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.9/1806] In message <5000934b7atheboss@webmonster.co.nz>, Robert Greenfield writes >I am trying to edit one of my OvationPro files on SA RiscPC 4.39. Using >latest version of OvPro (6-Nov-08). >Every time I attempt to type I get a type=5 error. >If I save it as a DDL file it refuses to reload giving the error: >Object already created @ 7436 I've now got hold of this problem file. Some comments here for general interest. First when I load the document, OP tells me it is corrupt - it is a good idea to use OP choices to enable the feature that checks documents when loading them - the sooner you know a document is corrupt the better. I load the document, save as DDL, and then reload the DDL, I get (as above) an error message about an object already created. I then loaded the DDL into a text editor and went to line 7442 (I'm, using OP on Windows so the line number is slightly different), I found: STORY_114={story {adduserstyle STYLE_01}{endoftext} } If I delete that set of three lines then the DDL will load. Elsewhere in the DDL there is another STORY_114. Alas this is not the end of things. The DDL now reloads, but saving again as DDL produces something which again complains about two copies of story 114. The problem is apparently that the auto linked main frames on the two pages of the document have become unlinked - one can see this by selecting the link tool. Anyway open Edit Master pages, make a trivial change, close master pages. The frames are now correctly linked and the document will save and reload. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 24 11:54:53 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L4WYD-3bWknw-02-AX0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:54:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L4WYD-3bWknw-02-AX0; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:12:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L4WYD-3bWknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:12:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L4WYD-0006eU-9L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:12:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAFE8ABCA43; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19580-03; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62BC3ABDBB7; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:11:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB6D6ABCA43 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19340-05 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9716DABC74C for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so676522uge.11 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:11:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.245.2 with SMTP id s2mr1672256ugh.66.1227514289212; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:11:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33482.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.130]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm2616263ugh.10.2008.11.24.00.11.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:11:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <492A61AE.9070101@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:11:26 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - disappearing pictures References: <49293244.3070704@ed.ac.uk> <492968AC.3070201@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1104 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oR51S6ApUbkA:10 a=uzGFkmqwcEQA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VitGHwgtlVW2cMY6hS8A:9 a=biGMtQi21X7BrHshUZMA:7 a=31-tHTfYa_-6tkM1d3LFn9Nn_RYA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.9/1809] David Pilling wrote: > In message <492968AC.3070201@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Hmmm ... well, I tend to use "scale to fit", but the black lines still >> appear occasionally. Perhaps I should make the picture go fractionally >> beyond the frame boundaries. > > Exactly. You can't rely on scale to fit to produce something that is > pixel perfect. > > My previous comments were saying that scale to fit does not work in the > way that would be most useful. Indeed you did, I just didn't read it carefully enough. My apologies. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 24 11:54:53 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L4Wwm-1zJVbs-03-A8R.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:54:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L4Wwm-1zJVbs-03-A8R; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:37:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L4Wwm-1zJVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:37:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L4Wwm-00069C-IF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:37:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFDE5ABCC5F; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24049-06; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7ED4AABCA35; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:36:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2372EABC90B for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23750-01 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1611ABC6C2 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:36:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so680982uge.11 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:36:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.100.5 with SMTP id c5mr1694441ugm.43.1227515812783; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:36:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33482.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.130]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j34sm2643786ugc.53.2008.11.24.00.36.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:36:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <492A67A2.3090000@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:36:50 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - direct PostScript Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1105 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E71GiKVumF0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wTWGSwzEEUNQjlxM0JkA:9 a=qCIqrqm0ZhNUNY6kVzEA:7 a=9fHPd7Xvt5abYIQxZZbCpqmmJhwA:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.9/1809] I've been playing with the direct PostScript settings to determine which give the best results with Acrobat Distiller (v4 and v8) ... The Manual (yes, I do read it occasionally ...) advises selecting Generic PostScript in order to produce a PS file "for use in another program". I'm using OPW under WindowsXP (via the VMware Fusion emulator) on a MacBook Pro, so ... I print the OPW document to (PS) file, then take the PS file over to MacOS, and open it with Acrobat Distiller (v8) -- I assume this is what is meant by using the PS file in another program. Alternatively, I can print direct to Acrobat Distiller (v4) on the Windows side -- the results appear more or less the same. If I select "Generic PostScript" before generating the PS, in the resulting PDF about 2cm is cropped from the top of an A4 page. If I leave "Generic PostScript" unchecked, then this doesn't happen. The above is just an observation. I get perfectly good PDFs using the following PS choices: Language - Level 3 Download font as - Type 1 Generic PostScript - unchecked -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 24 11:54:53 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L4XGT-1kYVbs-01-9ok.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:54:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L4XGT-1kYVbs-01-9ok; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:57:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L4XGT-1kYVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:57:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L4XGS-0003HT-AX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:57:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E0C0ABD0F1; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27548-02; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD5DBABD034; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:57:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADEB5ABD076 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:57:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26808-05 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:57:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71F38ABD053 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:57:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L4XFn-0000KD-kb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:57:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:01:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - direct PostScript Message-ID: <50032c3264charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <492A67A2.3090000@ed.ac.uk> References: <492A67A2.3090000@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1106 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E71GiKVumF0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=oRAhXdkIa30C0yClXuYA:9 a=a7rrovzkKfYAggS495kA:7 a=QaK1gvzFQCpnF4f5J1vJOx0K5GIA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.9/1809] In article <492A67A2.3090000@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > I've been playing with the direct PostScript settings to determine which > give the best results with Acrobat Distiller (v4 and v8) ... > The Manual (yes, I do read it occasionally ...) advises selecting > Generic PostScript in order to produce a PS file "for use in another > program". I'm using OPW under WindowsXP (via the VMware Fusion emulator) > on a MacBook Pro, so ... I print the OPW document to (PS) file, then > take the PS file over to MacOS, and open it with Acrobat Distiller (v8) > -- I assume this is what is meant by using the PS file in another > program. Alternatively, I can print direct to Acrobat Distiller (v4) on > the Windows side -- the results appear more or less the same. > If I select "Generic PostScript" before generating the PS, in the > resulting PDF about 2cm is cropped from the top of an A4 page. If I > leave "Generic PostScript" unchecked, then this doesn't happen. has generic postscript got the american "letter" paper size selected somehow? -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 24 11:54:54 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L4XhA-20G000-06-9O3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:54:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L4XhA-20G000-06-9O3; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:25:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L4XhA-20G000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:25:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L4XhA-0004lD-3L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:25:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80B2FABDB14; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31391-07; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 374ADABDB44; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:24:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 158DDABDB14 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30862-06 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5B46ABDADC for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so691148uge.11 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.119.8 with SMTP id w8mr1775510ugm.3.1227518687482; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:24:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac33482.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.130]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y6sm2685408uge.28.2008.11.24.01.24.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:24:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:24:44 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - direct PostScript Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <492A67A2.3090000@ed.ac.uk> <50032c3264charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <50032c3264charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1107 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E71GiKVumF0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=If9NvJFe9tCom_LLYqEA:9 a=uT3ca-KQ6k1pdHzP7vAA:7 a=Qqwytw8khrs4GzobdvRK1moTR4IA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.9/1809] On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:01:58 -0000, charles wrote: > In article <492A67A2.3090000@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: >> I've been playing with the direct PostScript settings to determine which >> give the best results with Acrobat Distiller (v4 and v8) ... > >> If I select "Generic PostScript" before generating the PS, in the >> resulting PDF about 2cm is cropped from the top of an A4 page. If I >> leave "Generic PostScript" unchecked, then this doesn't happen. > > has generic postscript got the american "letter" paper size selected > somehow? Good question. I don't see any way of setting the paper size, except within the print dialogue. I have the print dialogue set to Acrobat Distiller (A4 paper size) by default, altho' in this instance I'm printing to file. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 24 12:09:48 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L4aC7-3yS000-01-FPc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:09:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L4aC7-3yS000-01-FPc; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:05:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L4aC7-3yS000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:05:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L4aC6-00002M-In for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:05:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0319AABD66D; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:05:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24575-07; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B72A9ABDB2F; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:04:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABBD8ABD66D for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:04:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24474-03 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:04:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71DD9ABD7D8 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:04:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L4aBT-0002Oa-mc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:04:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:03:12 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - direct PostScript References: <492A67A2.3090000@ed.ac.uk> <50032c3264charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1108 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E71GiKVumF0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=ZRX7s3u8ZwfeMjzo_MYA:7 a=9wmExXMi4Bpmq9EXwN0CS8SltrkA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.9/1809] In message , Clive Bonsall writes >Good question. I don't see any way of setting the paper size, except >within the print dialogue. I have the print dialogue set to Acrobat >Distiller (A4 paper size) by default, altho' in this instance I'm >printing to file. I was going to say, what is the paper size of the final program. 2cm being cropped from the top, does that imply a 2cm gap at the bottom (i.e. a shift), or is the final paper size 2cm smaller than the size of what you're printing. I would expect the final program, the one that is losing the 2cm, lets you set a page size. A windows PostScript printer driver typically puts out its own header information, I guess that includes the paper size. If you select "generic PostScript" then this header is dispensed with, you just get the pure PostScript from Ovation Pro and nothing else. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 24 13:24:49 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L4bEd-1J0000-06-EN6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:24:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L4bEd-1J0000-06-EN6; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:12:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L4bEd-1J0000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:12:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L4bEd-0000xu-DH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:12:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE59EABCD6E; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02783-10; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94B07ABD178; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:11:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 933A6ABCD6E for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02557-06 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35F7DABC69F for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:11:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so750987uge.11 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:11:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.90.10 with SMTP id s10mr1881053ugl.8.1227532296189; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:11:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac33482.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.130]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x26sm2824183ugc.9.2008.11.24.05.11.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:11:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:11:33 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - direct PostScript Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <492A67A2.3090000@ed.ac.uk> <50032c3264charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1109 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E71GiKVumF0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VDZyGxi5hiV3pxDRTvgA:9 a=uMQVw9W1r8bYoGSVThMA:7 a=zmOeyIyzOoCTTTdMidpd9rqpIXEA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.9/1809] On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:03:12 -0000, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Clive Bonsall > writes >> Good question. I don't see any way of setting the paper size, except >> within the print dialogue. I have the print dialogue set to Acrobat >> Distiller (A4 paper size) by default, altho' in this instance I'm >> printing to file. > > I was going to say, what is the paper size of the final program. 2cm > being cropped from the top, does that imply a 2cm gap at the bottom > (i.e. a shift), or is the final paper size 2cm smaller than the size of > what you're printing. The latter. > I would expect the final program, the one that is losing the 2cm, lets > you set a page size. I guess so - but I see no obvious way of changing the page size from within Acrobat Distiller. > A windows PostScript printer driver typically puts out its own header > information, I guess that includes the paper size. If you select > "generic PostScript" then this header is dispensed with, you just get > the pure PostScript from Ovation Pro and nothing else. Understood. Distiller has various default settings, but allows the user to add/save their own "custom settings". As I've already indicated, it's not immediately obvious to me how you alter the page size. However, since the Windows driver produces acceptable results, I won't lose any sleep over it. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 24 13:39:45 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L4bdc-0t3000-02-Dy7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:39:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L4bdc-0t3000-02-Dy7; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:38:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L4bdc-0t3000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:38:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L4bdb-0001OA-Kl for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:38:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D8AFABD9C2; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:38:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10885-05; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1F2DABDE8D; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:37:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 897FDABD9C2 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10513-08 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F683ABD831 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L4bcx-0007Pr-i6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:37:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:42:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - direct PostScript Message-ID: <500345d96ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <492A67A2.3090000@ed.ac.uk> <50032c3264charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1110 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E71GiKVumF0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=hGZFJj86bf4yI2pJpoAA:9 a=wtuNo0OOYPMSleBDZz0A:7 a=YeAmiZpoJDkoHnONRF8vLvFt8ZEA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.9/1809] In article , Clive Bonsall wrote: > Understood. Distiller has various default settings, but allows the user > to add/save their own "custom settings". As I've already indicated, > it's not immediately obvious to me how you alter the page size. It quite obvious to me, having just looked. Run Distiller, click on 'settings' then "edit Adobe pdf settings" and Default page size is at the bottom of the screen. Those default settings, which I have never touched, give a paper height of 27.92 - there's your missing 2cms (A4 being 29.7). -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 24 17:23:35 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L4crB-2RPVbs-02-CkY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:23:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L4crB-2RPVbs-02-CkY; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:56:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L4crB-2RPVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:56:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L4crA-00026l-GH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:56:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 003B2ABDECB; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29309-02; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B73DABDF5C; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:55:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E0525ABDECB for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:55:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29065-07 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:55:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41AEFABDF41 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so781828uge.11 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.248.5 with SMTP id v5mr1867988ugh.75.1227538526703; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33482.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.130]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7sm2968819uge.0.2008.11.24.06.55.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:55:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <492AC05B.9030404@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:55:23 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - direct PostScript References: <492A67A2.3090000@ed.ac.uk> <50032c3264charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <500345d96ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <500345d96ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1111 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E71GiKVumF0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qAEhzZwNP2CtVBTUfxgA:9 a=HZ0lRJ9A2wtScm457iwA:7 a=S6Onn6JLPfc8MQ8tpwxY-LDFazoA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=z4H2JRWSBuQA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.9/1809] charles wrote: > In article , > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > >> Understood. Distiller has various default settings, but allows the user >> to add/save their own "custom settings". As I've already indicated, >> it's not immediately obvious to me how you alter the page size. > > It quite obvious to me, having just looked. > > Run Distiller, click on 'settings' then "edit Adobe pdf settings" and > Default page size is at the bottom of the screen. Those default settings, > which I have never touched, give a paper height of 27.92 - there's your > missing 2cms (A4 being 29.7). Thank you. That is indeed the answer. But I think you have the Windows version of distiller? I can can confirm that setting page height to 29.7 solves the problem. HOWEVER ... I am trying to output PDFs using the Mac version, and I have yet to figure out how to change the default page settings in the way you can in the Windows version (simply setting the default page to A4 doesn't do the trick). I have no doubt it's there somewhere, but such things tend to be a bit more opaque in the Mac world (or so I find). So, if there are any Mac users out there with a copy of Acrobat who can supply the answer, I'd be most grateful. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 24 17:23:38 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L4dvY-0kQknw-03-BgB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:23:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L4dvY-0kQknw-03-BgB; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:04:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L4dvY-0kQknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:04:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L4dvR-0003Qe-0r for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:04:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4200EABE07F; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:04:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14392-03; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:04:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0BCDABE1C5; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:03:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A14BABE07F for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13961-05 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 191D2ABD665 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:03:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L4dug-0000AA-c2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:03:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:08:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - direct PostScript Message-ID: <50035344a2charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <492AC05B.9030404@ed.ac.uk> References: <492A67A2.3090000@ed.ac.uk> <50032c3264charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <500345d96ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <492AC05B.9030404@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1112 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E71GiKVumF0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MNzxBcdqN36YBknEfJQA:9 a=QTQNqrMTAwkXFCfpHf0A:7 a=BS0u4a-vOKBPebRz5C7vuWqg2lwA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.9/1809] In article <492AC05B.9030404@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > charles wrote: > > In article , > > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > > > > >> Understood. Distiller has various default settings, but allows the user > >> to add/save their own "custom settings". As I've already indicated, > >> it's not immediately obvious to me how you alter the page size. > > > > It quite obvious to me, having just looked. > > > > Run Distiller, click on 'settings' then "edit Adobe pdf settings" and > > Default page size is at the bottom of the screen. Those default > > settings, which I have never touched, give a paper height of 27.92 - > > there's your missing 2cms (A4 being 29.7). > Thank you. That is indeed the answer. But I think you have the Windows > version of distiller? absolutely correct. Somehow I assumed that if you were using OP for Windows, you'd be using the Windows version of Distiller/ -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 24 18:23:33 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L4fvr-2NeVbs-07-9fs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:23:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L4fvr-2NeVbs-07-9fs; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:13:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L4fvr-2NeVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:13:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L4fvr-0003qJ-BI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:13:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC65CABCB60; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10927-02; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C300ABDD5C; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:12:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAF38ABCB60 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:12:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10343-07 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:12:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.es.uci.edu (smtp2.es.uci.edu [128.200.80.28]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 723B1ABCA88 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:12:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.200.31.32] (magnet.ps.uci.edu [128.200.31.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp2.es.uci.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mAOICRSU031406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:12:30 -0800 X-UCInetID: dennison Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <492AC05B.9030404@ed.ac.uk> References: <492A67A2.3090000@ed.ac.uk> <50032c3264charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <500345d96ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <492AC05B.9030404@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:12:26 -0800 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Phil Dennison Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - direct PostScript Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1113 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dennison@uci.edu Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E71GiKVumF0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MNGvMsX-3IDGVQvticAA:9 a=Dcek7CkbLoBwxGdVZ5sA:7 a=y49LVrQuMLS_gIhJ8tYQIQcZUJAA:4 a=EmRt-KxwK-gA:10 a=jzduhRTE_o8A:10 a=oP8JzKp0F4cA:10 a=gAYeQlHykVAA:10 a=y3FtPI8LFGUA:10 a=EtBfXSavgdQA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=rXGSgiU_ngQA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.10/1810] >charles wrote: >> In article , >> Clive Bonsall wrote: >> >>> Understood. Distiller has various default settings, but allows the user >>> to add/save their own "custom settings". As I've already indicated, >>> it's not immediately obvious to me how you alter the page size. >> It quite obvious to me, having just looked. >> Run Distiller, click on 'settings' then "edit Adobe pdf settings" and >> Default page size is at the bottom of the screen. Those default settings, >> which I have never touched, give a paper height of 27.92 - there's your >> missing 2cms (A4 being 29.7). > >Thank you. That is indeed the answer. But I think you have the >Windows version of distiller? I can can confirm that setting page >height to 29.7 solves the problem. HOWEVER ... I am trying to output >PDFs using the Mac version, and I have yet to figure out how to >change the default page settings in the way you can in the Windows >version (simply setting the default page to A4 doesn't do the >trick). I have no doubt it's there somewhere, but such things tend >to be a bit more opaque in the Mac world (or so I find). > >So, if there are any Mac users out there with a copy of Acrobat who >can supply the answer, I'd be most grateful. >-- >C.B. On my Mac version of Distiller (8.1.3), go to 'Settings' in the top menu bar, then 'Edit Adobe PDF Settings...', and default page size is at the bottom of the window. Regards, Phil. -- Dr Phil Dennison NMR Facility Director (949)824-6010 (office) Department of Chemistry (949)824-5649 (lab) University of California, Irvine (949)824-8571 (fax) Irvine, CA 92697-2025 dennison@uci.edu USA To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 24 18:23:33 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L4g5P-12dVbs-06-9WK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:23:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L4g5P-12dVbs-06-9WK; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:23:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L4g5P-12dVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:23:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L4g5D-00050h-LP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:23:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21A7BABE048; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13839-01; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C53EAABE178; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:22:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 752F6ABDF47 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:22:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13505-04 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:22:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 752A1ABE115 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:22:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so841357uge.11 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:21:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.100.5 with SMTP id c5mr2007296ugm.43.1227550900702; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:21:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33482.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.130]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l20sm3128046uga.14.2008.11.24.10.21.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:21:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <492AF0B2.9090604@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:21:38 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - direct PostScript References: <492A67A2.3090000@ed.ac.uk> <50032c3264charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <500345d96ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <492AC05B.9030404@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1114 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E71GiKVumF0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=FOgf9VKS5_ujOxSybnQA:9 a=B4pam59ansDo6ZmqfPkA:7 a=eIHCAtVC78X9s5xkE-CJETDUYtkA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=p0kJo7hkFkYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.199 [270.9.10/1810] Phil Dennison wrote: >> charles wrote: >>> In article , >>> Clive Bonsall wrote: >>> >> So, if there are any Mac users out there with a copy of Acrobat who >> can supply the answer, I'd be most grateful. >> -- >> C.B. > > > On my Mac version of Distiller (8.1.3), go to 'Settings' in the top menu > bar, then 'Edit Adobe PDF Settings...', and default page size is at the > bottom of the window. Amazing ... I had opened Distiller on many occasions but had not noticed that different options (compared to opening Acrobat itself) appeared on the top menu bar. So, thank you for that. However, just before receiving your email, I had found a alternative way of getting there ... which is go to the directory where the default settings are stored, load one of them, change the page size, and save it with a different name. More tortuous, but same result. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 29 12:25:32 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L6OEV-1a9knw-02-EBw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:25:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L6OEV-1a9knw-02-EBw; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:43:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L6OEV-1a9knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:43:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L6OEU-0002Gy-UG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:43:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38C3FAC04A2; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:43:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12454-06; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:43:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E910DAC0415; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:42:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 326B2AC04C0 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:42:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12228-08 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:42:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hel.is.scarlet.be (hel.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDE09AC04CE for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:42:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbes (ip-81-11-161-125.dsl.scarlet.be [81.11.161.125]) by hel.is.scarlet.be (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mATBgni4007739 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:42:49 +0100 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:42:06 +0200 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification Message-ID: References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ffbac795achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <$VTlcGBtU1FJFwgg@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$VTlcGBtU1FJFwgg@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/6.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1115 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=7mELct32FYNU2S0oFHsA:9 a=8oewGV7IIlunG0NS30MA:7 a=iyt_2PQCF4LCLDh549FyNN5h-pgA:4 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.11/1819] In message <$VTlcGBtU1FJFwgg@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Emulation has a tendency to preserve the status quo - you can carry on > using old versions of software and unlike Iyonix there is no need to > improve the internal workings of RISC OS. This risks to be become off topic but all the bug fixing and functionality enhancements done in Select/Adjust and RISC OS 6 doesn't seem to confirm this tendency. Moreover, I'm not aware of any RISC OS 5 development during the last years and it remains still to be seen if ROOL can make a difference to this. John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 29 12:40:19 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L6Oz7-485Vbs-06-DRK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:40:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L6Oz7-485Vbs-06-DRK; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:31:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L6Oz7-485Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:31:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L6Oz6-0002ZM-KI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:31:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06103AC028A; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17509-02; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC94AAC0329; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:31:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9D1EAC028A for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17348-02 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from fhw-relay07.plus.net (fhw-relay07.plus.net [212.159.14.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3EA1AC0289 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=standalone) by fhw-relay07.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1L6OyR-0004W8-F1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:31:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:26:01 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification Message-ID: <040fd20550.tim@southfarm.plus.com> References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ffbac795achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <$VTlcGBtU1FJFwgg@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Plusnet-Relay: 5461e31753ff3421f9bd1ba5c34d7a6e X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1116 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=v6Aic-fSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=79qlwyJQz0-lnfEo_jkA:9 a=j8_PYLjmjg6m_i3yzloA:7 a=O1qO4iR7urFE4ZEUppfMjnstrN8A:4 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.11/1819] In message of 29 Nov, John Tytgat wrote: > In message <$VTlcGBtU1FJFwgg@pilling.demon.co.uk> > David Pilling wrote: >=20 > > Emulation has a tendency to preserve the status quo - you can carry > > on using old versions of software and unlike Iyonix there is no need > > to improve the internal workings of RISC OS. >=20 > This risks to be become off topic but all the bug fixing and > functionality enhancements done in Select/Adjust and RISC OS 6 doesn't > seem to confirm this tendency. Moreover, I'm not aware of any RISC OS > 5 development during the last years and it remains still to be seen if > ROOL can make a difference to this. I am encourage by the first step of a new emulation for RPCemu if the hoped-for build of a version of RISC OS 5 for RPCemu comes to pass. This will then enable the geniuses (genii?) to extend RISC OS 5 in whatever direction they want, not to mention all the clean-ups, etc that have been made since RISC OS 5 was made Open. If all this, and a continuing development of RPCemu, happens the status quo will no longer be preserved. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 29 17:40:29 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L6Tax-0kiVbs-01-8pU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:40:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L6Tax-0kiVbs-01-8pU; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:27:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L6Tax-0kiVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:27:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L6Taw-0005nU-VL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:27:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64F8DABFEAD; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21147-02; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18FE4AC066A; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:26:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99434ABFEAD for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20910-09 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58E9AAC043F for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L6TaI-0007VE-Wp for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:26:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:24:54 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Enhanced justification References: <48FCFBE3.5020701@ed.ac.uk> <48FE221B.10106@ed.ac.uk> <49049086.1000107@ed.ac.uk> <4904B8B6.7070907@ed.ac.uk> <6mOUAVDC12DJFwDH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49101D52.8030608@zionundy.me.uk> <1d$neREaLMEJFwYw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ffbac795achris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <$VTlcGBtU1FJFwgg@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1117 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U0woBiPAYjUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rDykD9ealKJeyO1I25QA:9 a=lCHDrQM-I8P9tWCA-a0A:7 a=LbaWY3a404mBf7T_ViFqmbvFrssA:4 a=O6VgNENP0SsA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.11/1819] In message , John Tytgat writes >> Emulation has a tendency to preserve the status quo - you can carry on >This risks to be become off topic but all the bug fixing and functionality >enhancements done in Select/Adjust and RISC OS 6 doesn't seem to confirm >this tendency. Moreover, I'm not aware of any RISC OS 5 development during >the last years and it remains still to be seen if ROOL can make a difference >to this. I think we're about to find out. The situation now is RISC OS Ltd. (ROSL) selling an operating system that is going to be mostly used on an emulator - Virtual Acorn (VA). The exciting thing is the point at which the emulator becomes an alternative operating system for the PC platform. As I see it VA and ROSL have two potential markets, traditional RISC OS users who want to use software 20 years old, and the rest of the world who are fed up with Windows and would like a different operating system. At the moment their efforts are devoted to the first, but that market is doomed. The other market is hugely valuable and if they made any progress in it they'd be fabulously rich. They're between the devil and the land of milk and honey. Those faced with this dilemma in the past (e.g Acorn) have waited for the devil. Given the choice between something which would make RISC OS more modern but break old software ROSL+VA will go with the old software. About the best you can say is that with an emulator you could arrange things so that old software continued to work in the presence of new features. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 29 19:55:33 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L6Vhv-4dmknw-08-FF2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:55:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L6Vhv-4dmknw-08-FF2; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:42:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L6Vhv-4dmknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:42:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L6Vhu-0005I7-S7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:42:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1584EAC024B; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05616-01; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C21ECABE52E; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:41:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E35EABE2E9 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05062-08 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18E48ABDBE0 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so2300124uge.11 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.115.8 with SMTP id s8mr1896601ugm.50.1227987702942; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac334ba.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7sm2101764uge.0.2008.11.29.11.41.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:41:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49319AF4.9060509@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:41:40 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - referencing pictures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1118 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kTAN6y_ZMZUA:10 a=ABSwiTl97rUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=aWEf7gOkTVYPo53A9sUA:9 a=z4Q5ZXRaLLAfNQS7Me0A:7 a=X2hLlnzN6AWAqkGDMJCNmdXuc3IA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.11/1819] I think I may have raised this before, but I can't find it in the archives ... I have a whole series of (quite complex) documents containing pictures (B&W photos). For the most part the pictures were created as TIFFs. After the TIFFs were dropped into their picture frames, the individual pictures were referenced, and the referenced pictures collected ... so they reside in a Pictures folder inside the directory containing the OPW document. As long as I don't shut down the computer, everything seems OK. However, very often, if I restart the computer, OPW says it can't open the TIFF files -- yet they have not changed location. Does the problem lie with the fact that the pictures start off as TIFF files? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Nov 29 23:28:46 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L6Z18-0K2Vbs-04-Bvp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:28:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L6Z18-0K2Vbs-04-Bvp; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:14:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L6Z18-0K2Vbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:14:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L6Z18-0003RX-1V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:14:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82C79ABE019; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26814-03; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 337F8AC0117; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:13:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8EC1ABE019 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26653-06 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7470ABDFF0 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L6Z0U-00060p-oN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:13:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:13:37 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - referencing pictures References: <49319AF4.9060509@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49319AF4.9060509@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1119 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kTAN6y_ZMZUA:10 a=ABSwiTl97rUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=gnkIZ5PtVmqlDTu4lXgA:9 a=DgeycU4DMD1dqLsxVv4A:7 a=zQ_857fQw28iLyWbYUGz6F1w9ZkA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.11/1820] In message <49319AF4.9060509@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >I have a whole series of (quite complex) documents containing pictures >(B&W photos). For the most part the pictures were created as TIFFs. >After the TIFFs were dropped into their picture frames, the individual >pictures were referenced, and the referenced pictures collected ... so >they reside in a Pictures folder inside the directory containing the >OPW document. > >As long as I don't shut down the computer, everything seems OK. >However, very often, if I restart the computer, OPW says it can't open >the TIFF files -- yet they have not changed location. > >Does the problem lie with the fact that the pictures start off as TIFF >files? It should not matter that the files are TIFFs. Ovation Pro on Windows (but not RISC OS) should be capable of referencing non-native file types like TIFF. I suppose you could try referencing a native file like a .bmp file to see if they suffer the same problem. I do have a hazy memory about problems, something to do with Windows not being aware of network paths or similar. My inclination would be to find the problematic files using Windows Explorer, load them into something, and then launch Ovation Pro. Just to see if Windows some how needs the files finding. Are the files on a local drive - does the problem occur with all the files or just some, and what is the common factor between the problem files... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 1 11:50:22 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L6wGg-4P3Vbs-08-EFp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:50:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L6wGg-4P3Vbs-08-EFp; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:04:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L6wGg-4P3Vbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:04:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L6wGf-0003H9-EN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:04:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0754ABEFC7; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:04:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19805-02; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:04:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E356ABF392; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:04:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:03:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38042ABEFC7 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:03:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19657-05 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:03:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6CADABEF95 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20081201000320.DHHV1691.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 00:03:20 +0000 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.96.249]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with SMTP id <20081201000320.EMII2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 00:03:20 +0000 Message-ID: From: "John Grogan" To: "David Pilling \(softwarelist\)" Subject: [softwarelist] Transparent text background colour in Ovation Pro Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 00:03:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C95348.31F01C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=sEWKb0zW-rsA:10 a=873UBQJCw6EA:10 a=wn2qyBUGVFHe4Hzt_jAA:9 a=aWsPVrh0nXlhrzQHYCUA:7 a=ftUziJbuGjGml5P1YXPaFE-3jIgA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=2iKkQLmuBSRUMm2KBLcA:9 a=-QSq6lvgSZine-fzg7kA:7 a=vb1v1dOB5bRYplcGlg-iJqvZ5QEA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1120 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=lLZsEooPmOkA:10 a=rOTKQ0CprX8A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=wn2qyBUGVFHe4Hzt_jAA:9 a=aWsPVrh0nXlhrzQHYCUA:7 a=ftUziJbuGjGml5P1YXPaFE-3jIgA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=2iKkQLmuBSRUMm2KBLcA:9 a=-QSq6lvgSZine-fzg7kA:7 a=AORDRSNyFui_ttTS64g79faOlIIA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1822] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C95348.31F01C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In an Ovation Pro document I am using a text frame with light grey text = behind the main frame as a "watermark". I would like the watermark to = be visible even where text has a background colour. Is there any way of = setting a text background colour which appears normal if there is = nothing (i.e. white) behind it but allows any non-white colour to show = through? One solution (albeit slightly awkward) is to duplicate the main text = frame then sandwich the watermark between the two frames with the = following settings: Top frame: Text foreground black, background transparent = throughout Middle frame: The watermark Bottom frame: Text foreground transparent, background coloured = (where needed) with the bottom frame aligned beneath the top frame. This works OK but = I wonder if anyone has a suggestion for something more straightforward? Thanks & regards John Grogan ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C95348.31F01C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In an Ovation Pro document I am = using a text=20 frame with light grey text behind the main frame as a "watermark". =  I=20 would like the watermark to be visible even where text has a background=20 colour. Is there any way of setting a text background colour which = appears=20 normal if there is nothing (i.e. white) behind it but allows any = non-white=20 colour to show through?
 
One solution (albeit slightly awkward) = is to=20 duplicate the main text frame then sandwich the watermark between the = two=20 frames with the following settings:
   Top=20 frame:        Text foreground black,=20 background transparent throughout
   Middle frame:    = The=20 watermark
   Bottom frame:   = Text=20 foreground transparent, background coloured (where needed)
with the bottom frame aligned beneath = the top=20 frame.  This works OK but I wonder if anyone has a suggestion for = something=20 more straightforward?
 
Thanks & regards
John Grogan
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C95348.31F01C60-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 1 11:50:22 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L6wq6-1ymknw-01-DgP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:50:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L6wq6-1ymknw-01-DgP; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:40:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L6wq6-1ymknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:40:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L6wq6-00074B-0o for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:40:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32C76ABDE66; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:40:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21623-06; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:40:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D800EABE592; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:39:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7EA9ABDE66 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:39:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21531-02 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:39:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.airnet.net.nz (smtp.airnet.net.nz [202.137.240.16]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2758ABD3A1 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.airnet.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EE9DC0EA for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:39:52 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from smtp.airnet.net.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.airnet.net.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16150-01 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:39:52 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from RonnieP (unknown [202.137.246.42]) by smtp.airnet.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D1EDC0D5 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:39:52 +1300 (NZDT) From: "Ron Pearcy" To: References: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transparent text background colour in Ovation Pro Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:40:10 +1300 Message-ID: <288B610C7E2848188E3BE1D72E73475E@RonnieP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C953BA.54A212A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AclTSEZcnrgBAD5kQJKq0kQaR5J12AABJCJg X-Virus-Scanned-On-Net: by smtp.airnet.net.nz X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1121 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ronniep@clear.net.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0g2HgPXQ470A:10 a=V_CJjHHpIRwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=L1pSXpWFPlfybXJUk4UA:9 a=1v3mNd7x_gttr97wb28A:7 a=mMbxdm5ETIfnwS70IBzMpvCuAi4A:4 a=btyeseNR-KIA:10 a=BgJWR2bEJjkA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=PmHfe53Opa2GQwwzDOAA:9 a=OzQBCGX-EjqC5mUc9csA:7 a=fS6SiHTmfBtza6mB_BV6otRde9UA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1822] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C953BA.54A212A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please unsubscribe me from this list .. Thank you _____ From: [mailto:davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of John Grogan Sent: Monday, 1 December 2008 1:03 p.m. To: David Pilling (softwarelist) Subject: [softwarelist] Transparent text background colour in Ovation Pro In an Ovation Pro document I am using a text frame with light grey text behind the main frame as a "watermark". I would like the watermark to be visible even where text has a background colour. Is there any way of setting a text background colour which appears normal if there is nothing (i.e. white) behind it but allows any non-white colour to show through? One solution (albeit slightly awkward) is to duplicate the main text frame then sandwich the watermark between the two frames with the following settings: Top frame: Text foreground black, background transparent throughout Middle frame: The watermark Bottom frame: Text foreground transparent, background coloured (where needed) with the bottom frame aligned beneath the top frame. 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From: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org = [mailto:davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of John Grogan
Sent: Monday, 1 December = 2008 1:03 p.m.
To: David Pilling = (softwarelist)
Subject: [softwarelist] Transparent text background colour in Ovation Pro

 

In an Ovation Pro document I am using a text = frame with light grey text behind the main frame as a "watermark". =  I would like the watermark to be visible even where text has a background colour. Is there any way of setting a text background colour which = appears normal if there is nothing (i.e. white) behind it but allows any = non-white colour to show through?

 

One solution (albeit slightly awkward) is to = duplicate the main text frame then sandwich the watermark between the two = frames with the following settings:

   Top frame:        Text foreground black, background transparent throughout

   Middle frame:    The = watermark

   Bottom frame:   Text = foreground transparent, background coloured (where = needed)

with the bottom frame aligned beneath the top = frame.  This works OK but I wonder if anyone has a suggestion for something more straightforward?

 

Thanks & regards

John Grogan

 

------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C953BA.54A212A0-- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 1 12:05:20 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L77Ps-2dGVbs-06-Bd9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:05:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L77Ps-2dGVbs-06-Bd9; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:58:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L77Ps-2dGVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:58:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L77Pk-00071h-Px for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:58:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EEF65ABE7C2; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 06:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31709-05; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 06:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6903ABF79B; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 06:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:00:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A9F2ABF19F for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 06:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31458-08 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 06:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA265ABF119 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 06:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so2625307uge.11 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:59:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.40.6 with SMTP id s6mr3234857ugj.10.1228129199742; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:59:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac334ba.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r38sm4459055ugc.54.2008.12.01.02.59.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:59:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4933C3AC.6000806@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:59:56 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - referencing pictures References: <49319AF4.9060509@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1122 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kTAN6y_ZMZUA:10 a=ABSwiTl97rUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=mddorsBogc11eicgsKoA:9 a=VkHiLDB-ttIX8A3AGj0A:7 a=HvjVDyu9ANje9Lrb3QXnb4s-hY0A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1822] David Pilling wrote: > In message <49319AF4.9060509@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > >> I have a whole series of (quite complex) documents containing pictures >> (B&W photos). For the most part the pictures were created as TIFFs. >> After the TIFFs were dropped into their picture frames, the individual >> pictures were referenced, and the referenced pictures collected ... so >> they reside in a Pictures folder inside the directory containing the >> OPW document. >> >> As long as I don't shut down the computer, everything seems OK. >> However, very often, if I restart the computer, OPW says it can't open >> the TIFF files -- yet they have not changed location. >> >> Does the problem lie with the fact that the pictures start off as TIFF >> files? > > It should not matter that the files are TIFFs. Ovation Pro on Windows > (but not RISC OS) should be capable of referencing non-native file types > like TIFF. I suppose you could try referencing a native file like a .bmp > file to see if they suffer the same problem. > > I do have a hazy memory about problems, something to do with Windows not > being aware of network paths or similar. > > My inclination would be to find the problematic files using Windows > Explorer, load them into something, and then launch Ovation Pro. Just to > see if Windows some how needs the files finding. > > Are the files on a local drive - does the problem occur with all the > files or just some, and what is the common factor between the problem > files... I haven't had time to investigate the problem in detail. But the following may be of interest ... 1) I'm using OPW via VMware Fusion on a MacBook Pro, and I don't keep any documents on the notebook's hard drive, for obvious reasons. The files all exist on an external (FAT32 formatted) USB drive (backed up to another external USB drive). 2) The referencing problem is intermittent, in that not all documents are affected. A possible cause is that the documents/pictures originally lived on another drive or another part of the same drive ... and the referenced pictures were not always "collected". So, when I moved the location of the document I had to re-import the pictures, reference them, then "collect" the referenced pictures. When I did this, normally I would rename the pictures ... but I may not have done this in all cases, and these may now be the ones causing problems. 3) Yesterday, I was working on a large document containing 23 pictures (all originating as TIFFs) - a mixture of 1bpp (line drawings) and 8 bpp (photos). The same problem occurred. Altho' I had previously referenced/collected the pictures, I had not renamed them on moving the location of the document ... and on re-opening the document, OPW reported that it could not find the pictures. So, I deleted the pictures from the document, changed the names of the original TIFF files, reimported them, and referenced/collected the pictures. Curiously, one of the pictures (1 bpp) refused to be referenced. I created a new OPW document and dropped the TIFF into a new frame -- same result (refused to be referenced). I could find nothing wrong with the original TIFF file - it loads quite happily into Photoshop (Mac Version) and other (PC/Mac) bitmap editors. So, I opened the problem TIFF in Photoshop and re-saved it as a BMP, and loaded the BMP file into the original OPW document. OPW referenced it without complaint. If it's of interest, the problem TIFF can be found in the usual place. I might add that it's less than 200KB, so wouldn't be referenced automatically under my default settings - but manual referencing fails. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 1 14:20:24 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L79Qn-3LrVbs-06-9cE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:20:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L79Qn-3LrVbs-06-9cE; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:07:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L79Qn-3LrVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:07:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L79Qk-0001lp-4r for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:07:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95F6FAC1156; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18808-04; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C36FAC11A8; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:06:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AD23AC1156 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18685-04 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DA17ABE727 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L79Q7-00060l-WL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:06:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:05:14 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - referencing pictures References: <49319AF4.9060509@ed.ac.uk> <4933C3AC.6000806@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4933C3AC.6000806@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1123 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kTAN6y_ZMZUA:10 a=ABSwiTl97rUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=GABGcE5zSHM4XrT7qhkA:7 a=edZLVPdPbpYT2G6_HVzCWFT-yHIA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=lE8UX3FPivy5rx8S:21 a=ElwJmVOoL_qNxhtC:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1822] In message <4933C3AC.6000806@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >I haven't had time to investigate the problem in detail. But the >following may be of interest ... >If it's of interest, the problem TIFF can be found in the usual place. >I might add that it's less than 200KB, so wouldn't be referenced >automatically under my default settings - but manual referencing fails. I've got the file, thanks, and I can reference it. Was there a specific error message when referencing failed? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 1 14:35:24 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L79gO-2tSVbs-03-9Md.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:35:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L79gO-2tSVbs-03-9Md; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:23:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L79gO-2tSVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:23:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L79gK-0002CQ-KD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:23:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 017A0AC121E; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20331-07; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B68BDAC1229; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:22:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1857EAC121E for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20244-03 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B939DAC123A for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so2686377uge.11 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:22:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.116.8 with SMTP id t8mr3383170ugm.53.1228141365971; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:22:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac334ba.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j34sm4745717ugc.53.2008.12.01.06.22.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 06:22:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:22:42 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - referencing pictures Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49319AF4.9060509@ed.ac.uk> <4933C3AC.6000806@ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1124 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kTAN6y_ZMZUA:10 a=ABSwiTl97rUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pU-uNr_64uSpprxF4noA:9 a=xpEkAF90ZCaXF8xAj2kA:7 a=LFB8xIgpjcZtzKQq6GTPXrWnmKcA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1822] On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:14 -0000, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4933C3AC.6000806@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> I haven't had time to investigate the problem in detail. But the >> following may be of interest ... >> If it's of interest, the problem TIFF can be found in the usual place. >> I might add that it's less than 200KB, so wouldn't be referenced >> automatically under my default settings - but manual referencing fails. > > I've got the file, thanks, and I can reference it. Was there a specific > error message when referencing failed? No ... after dropping the picture into the frame, I opened the reference picture window. But the path writable icon was blank, i.e. nothing to reference. On a couple of occasions when the same thing has happened, I have tried to save the file as DDL thinking it would resolve any problems in the file itself. However, trying to open the DDL with OPW resulted in an error message along the lines of "cannot open a file that has not been saved ... [something about] document path" (sorry can't remember the wording exactly). On other occasions, a path has appeared in the writable icon, but clicking has created a Pictures directory that was empty. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 1 18:20:33 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7DMx-1b9000-07-ECa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:20:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7DMx-1b9000-07-ECa; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:19:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7DMx-1b9000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:19:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7DMu-00001A-FU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:19:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12ADFAC17B0; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:19:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14629-01; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA5ABAC1726; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:18:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80E4AAC14E0 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14499-07 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.150]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5A84AC18A3 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:18:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L7DLm-0000Ap-eU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:18:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:17:03 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - referencing pictures References: <49319AF4.9060509@ed.ac.uk> <4933C3AC.6000806@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1125 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kTAN6y_ZMZUA:10 a=ABSwiTl97rUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=KYY5J0T0sMG-YODYZKIA:9 a=dza-6wsPscjBV81TDBIA:7 a=nKqyqNxItRRr8_xkXu_QPodtr3IA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1822] In message , Clive Bonsall writes >No ... after dropping the picture into the frame, I opened the >reference picture window. But the path writable icon was blank, i.e. >nothing to reference. The process is: hold down ctrl+shift, drop picture into frame window appears with reference and proxy buttons - (and important) displaying the path to the file you tick "reference", click OK and the picture is then loaded and should become visible. If when you select reference from the picture menu the path icon in the resulting window is blank I would think the picture was not referenced. Clicking on the button to the right of the path will let you navigate on disc to a graphic file, having "opened" it, you can then click on the "Reference" button. The point I'm labouring is that this is the way to set up the path if there is something wrong. You can select reference from the picture menu on any selected picture frame, navigate to a graphic file, then click on Reference Picture and the graphic should load (replacing the picture previously in the frame). >On a couple of occasions when the same thing has happened, I have tried >to save the file as DDL thinking it would resolve any problems in the >file itself. It would be interesting to have a look at the DDL because the path to the referenced graphic should be easily visible within it. >However, trying to open the DDL with OPW resulted in an error message >along the lines of "cannot open a file that has not been saved ... >[something about] document path" (sorry can't remember the wording >exactly). > >On other occasions, a path has appeared in the writable icon, but >clicking has created a Pictures directory >that was empty. I'm inclined to think there is something about the path. Earlier on today I wondered if it might be something like a maximum size of path somewhere - going back to RISC OS one often limited paths to 256 characters. Windows is full of maximum sizes of paths but they're bigger than 256 characters. However it may be something else, perhaps odd characters in the path, sometimes mixing / and \ upsets things, or just some oddity in the paths to the destination device. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Dec 1 20:50:36 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7FV8-377knw-02-C4P.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:50:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7FV8-377knw-02-C4P; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:36:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7FV8-377knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:36:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7FV2-0005un-5O for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:36:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88DC5AC23B0; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25057-02; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C9ACAC2035; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:54:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4A6BAC23B0 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:54:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24951-03 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:54:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 384E6AC248B for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:54:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so2783737uge.11 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:54:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.27.3 with SMTP id e3mr3675355ugj.85.1228160813706; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:46:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac334ba.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x37sm5195650ugc.50.2008.12.01.11.46.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 11:46:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:46:49 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - referencing pictures Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49319AF4.9060509@ed.ac.uk> <4933C3AC.6000806@ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1126 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kTAN6y_ZMZUA:10 a=ABSwiTl97rUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=cWDPBTei1lfW6A2Kq0QA:9 a=l92iW7ahkG2s45JD_CcA:7 a=BDt9duRM0iWDS3M3p_pO57Gzw68A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1822] On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:17:03 -0000, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Clive Bonsall > writes >> No ... after dropping the picture into the frame, I opened the >> reference picture window. But the path writable icon was blank, i.e. >> nothing to reference. > > The process is: > > hold down ctrl+shift, drop picture into frame > > window appears with reference and proxy buttons - (and important) > displaying the path to the file > > you tick "reference", click OK and the picture is then loaded and should > become visible. That's all useful information. I can see the benefits of doing it that way. > If when you select reference from the picture menu the path icon in the > resulting window is blank I would think the picture was not referenced. > Clicking on the button to the right of the path will let you navigate on > disc to a graphic file, having "opened" it, you can then click on the > "Reference" button. > > The point I'm labouring is that this is the way to set up the path if > there is something wrong. > You can select reference from the picture menu on any selected picture > frame, navigate to a graphic file, then click on Reference Picture and > the graphic should load (replacing the picture previously in the frame). Good to know for future reference. >> On a couple of occasions when the same thing has happened, I have tried >> to save the file as DDL thinking it would resolve any problems in the >> file itself. > > It would be interesting to have a look at the DDL because the path to > the referenced graphic should be easily visible within it. > >> However, trying to open the DDL with OPW resulted in an error message >> along the lines of "cannot open a file that has not been saved ... >> [something about] document path" (sorry can't remember the wording >> exactly). >> >> On other occasions, a path has appeared in the writable icon, but >> clicking has created a Pictures directory >> that was empty. > > I'm inclined to think there is something about the path. > > Earlier on today I wondered if it might be something like a maximum size > of path somewhere - going back to RISC OS one often limited paths to 256 > characters. Windows is full of maximum sizes of paths but they're bigger > than 256 characters. > > However it may be something else, perhaps odd characters in the path, > sometimes mixing / and \ upsets things, or just some oddity in the paths > to the destination device. OK, here's an example path from the DDL ... PICTURE_805={picture {reference "F:\\1 FAT32\\My Documents\\OPWdocs\\IGconference\\All_Final\\09_Dimitrijevic\\Pictures\\Fig01.tif"} } As far as I can see, this is correct. But OPW couldn't recogize the picture at that location. Correct me if I'm wrong, but once I'd collected the referenced pictures, shouldn't the path have become(?): {reference "{filedir}\\Pictures\\Fig01.tif"} If so, then for some reason the pictures in certain documents haven't been collectively referenced ... it's not clear to me why "collecting" references worked with some documents and not others. I may not have been using the methods you describe, but I was using the same method for every document. Anyway, I've now gone thru' the problem documents following your advice, and as far as I can see the pictures are referenced and collected. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 2 11:58:41 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7HVj-1tKknw-07-A3o.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:58:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7HVj-1tKknw-07-A3o; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:44:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7HVj-1tKknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:44:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7HVb-0003cG-9s for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:44:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7ED8EAA4FCB; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10530-02; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33DACAC11B8; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:43:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7859BAA4FCB for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:43:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10239-08 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:43:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C290ABE637 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:43:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so2831063uge.11 for ; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.22.2 with SMTP id z2mr117699ugi.21.1228171413837; Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from macintosh.local (5ac334ba.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.186]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y6sm5444925uge.28.2008.12.01.14.43.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:43:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:43:30 -0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - referencing pictures Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49319AF4.9060509@ed.ac.uk> <4933C3AC.6000806@ed.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.62 (MacIntel) From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1127 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kTAN6y_ZMZUA:10 a=ABSwiTl97rUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=L1_YpWgeKUJC4Pcw_ygA:9 a=4kpxIeGGq3MlRdEuSLQA:7 a=SlWxYx-KyIhugSMsHzwYa1U_mxsA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1823] On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:46:49 -0000, Clive Bonsall wrote: > On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:17:03 -0000, David Pilling > wrote: > >> In message , Clive Bonsall >> writes >>> No ... after dropping the picture into the frame, I opened the >>> reference picture window. But the path writable icon was blank, i.e. >>> nothing to reference. >> >> The process is: >> >> hold down ctrl+shift, drop picture into frame >> >> window appears with reference and proxy buttons - (and important) >> displaying the path to the file >> >> you tick "reference", click OK and the picture is then loaded and >> should become visible. > > That's all useful information. I can see the benefits of doing it that > way. > >> If when you select reference from the picture menu the path icon in the >> resulting window is blank I would think the picture was not referenced. >> Clicking on the button to the right of the path will let you navigate >> on disc to a graphic file, having "opened" it, you can then click on >> the "Reference" button. [snip] > > OK, here's an example path from the DDL ... > > PICTURE_805={picture > {reference "F:\\1 FAT32\\My > Documents\\OPWdocs\\IGconference\\All_Final\\09_Dimitrijevic\\Pictures\\Fig01.tif"} > } > > As far as I can see, this is correct. But OPW couldn't recogize the > picture at that location. ... and it's just dawned on me why! I'm using the VMware emulator, which gives me two ways of accessing the files on an external USB drive -- one direct (connecting the drive to WinXP), the other indirect (via the Mac) -- and of course the paths are different. So, some documents were created with the drive connected one way, and some the other way. Bummer! Sorry for wasting your time. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 2 11:58:50 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7T94-1f5knw-07-FTV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:58:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7T94-1f5knw-07-FTV; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:10:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7T94-1f5knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:10:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7T93-0006Bf-N6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:10:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BFD2ABEDAC; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:10:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01262-06; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:10:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5029AC1BA2; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:10:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:09:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: Davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: Davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34ABFABEDAC for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01123-07 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE596AB86F0 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:09:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so2986307uge.11 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:09:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.20.11 with SMTP id x11mr578423ugi.68.1228216181742; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:09:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o7sm6375023uge.0.2008.12.02.03.09.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:09:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:09:39 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1128 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uCvmDkGPlsI2Kp2ogDMA:9 a=--lykNkFI3l7C-4DFIgA:7 a=vOtGMnC6jHJ6ILTSXtgerMojnO4A:4 a=h9s5Ru71U4oA:10 a=H4LiALQnPMj9cTl8:21 a=3KrNIo8n3hcxbjMB:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1823] At the risk of asking another silly question ... I have a number of OPW documents containing pictures. On top of certain pictures I have placed small text and picture frames (text frames contain single letters; picture frames contain arrows or scales). One picture frame with a white background is overlaid on a 1bpp picture (#1). One text frame with a grey background and containing a letter that has been coloured white is overlaid on a picture frame containing an 8bpp photo (#2). Using DirectPS I generated PS files of the OPW documents in question, and from the PS files I generated press quality PDFs (using Acrobat Distiller v8). When viewed on screen, the PDFs seem fine. Printing the PDFs to my LaserJet 1200-series using PCL6 emulation ... again everything seems OK. But printing the same PDFs to a PS printer (HP LaserJet P3005 PS, language level 3 set in PS options) ... PROBLEMS In the case of #1 -- picture frame was printed with a transparent (vs white) background, so that what I was trying to hide behind the frame showed through. In the case of #2 -- the white letter (on the grey background) was no longer visible. MY QUESTION IS ... what could be the cause of the problem when outputting the PDF to a PS printer? Is the same likely to happen when the PDF is printed commercially? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 2 12:13:42 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7U5c-3mxVbs-06-EWx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:13:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7U5c-3mxVbs-06-EWx; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:10:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7U5c-3mxVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:10:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7U5c-0000RY-A2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:10:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9DC5AC1610; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:10:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07287-06; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:10:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86ECAAC1B5C; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:10:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:10:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E61C6AC1610 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:10:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07197-01 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:10:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE24EABF669 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L7U4v-00021m-p1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:10:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:09:00 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1129 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=h_5aHJhEasgkDlsce-AA:7 a=DyjqEVIyRBqXih2uUKemNLos-j4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=7UV3hIXJekfpUs5e:21 a=hDtR7xnWw7SfQrJs:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1824] In message <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >MY QUESTION IS ... what could be the cause of the problem when >outputting the PDF to a PS printer? Is the same likely to happen when >the PDF is printed commercially? The interesting thing is that the problem is with white - normally one would expect problems with transparency (because support for that varies between levels of PS and printer drivers). The only thing I can think of regarding white, is the colour model it is defined in - CMYK 'v' RGB. There's the point that you're printing PDF files, so rendering is one step separated from the original PostScript that OP generated. One could think about the PS level - direct PS choices. Or generate a simple version of the document, just the bits that render wrongly and see if they render wrongly when on their own. The latest version of OPW supports the PS overprint setting in composite files, I can't see why this would have any bearing on things but it is a change. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 2 12:28:47 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7UJv-1MWVbs-04-EIe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:28:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7UJv-1MWVbs-04-EIe; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:25:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.230] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7UJv-1MWVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:25:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7UJv-0006PG-Bb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:25:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C29CEAC22A5; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08525-09; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DDCEAC22CD; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:25:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A35E8AC22A5 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08250-09 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F247AC229B for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L7UJI-0004Yn-p3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:25:01 +0000 Message-ID: <+yEVlfCRjSNJFwyF@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:23:45 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - referencing pictures References: <49319AF4.9060509@ed.ac.uk> <4933C3AC.6000806@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1130 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kTAN6y_ZMZUA:10 a=ABSwiTl97rUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=1pngtb__6_7al_-8efIA:7 a=xe6xj3TGjQ5491oEw6e2amTy2eYA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=UIa5AnG1I2SPWrsj:21 a=kQjj6iFB6LFt2ZsM:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1824] In message , Clive Bonsall writes >As far as I can see, this is correct. But OPW couldn't recogize the >picture at that location. Correct me if I'm wrong, but once I'd >collected the referenced pictures, shouldn't the path have become(?): > >{reference "{filedir}\\Pictures\\Fig01.tif"} > >If so, then for some reason the pictures in certain documents haven't >been collectively referenced ... it's not clear to me why "collecting" >references worked with some documents and not others. I may not have >been using the methods you describe, but I was using the same method >for every document. Yes the paths should have become of the form above. If you have two different ways of accessing the same file then document relative paths (as above) should be a good idea. I guess that paths which don't point to something won't be collected. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 2 12:43:47 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7UPJ-3xGVbs-03-EDG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:43:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7UPJ-3xGVbs-03-EDG; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:31:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7UPJ-3xGVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:31:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7UPB-0002SD-3j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:31:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E183FAC1D95; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09119-10; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93F35AC2370; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:30:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C761CAC1D95 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08947-06 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 925B9AC1EE3 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L7UOW-0005Sb-aL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:30:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:29:15 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1131 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=g35gtZj0ylfHevAHGzQA:7 a=we-QsEQcMH9t4-iQxxYhR5bhrxAA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=4Yf86mDWl5dp0geH:21 a=NnA2hN2BnClQAKXy:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1824] In message , David Pilling writes >In message <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >>MY QUESTION IS ... what could be the cause of the problem when >>outputting the PDF to a PS printer? Is the same likely to happen when >>the PDF is printed commercially? Another thought, how is the PS printer set up to handle errors. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 2 12:58:44 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7Ukv-1Q8knw-08-Dre.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:58:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7Ukv-1Q8knw-08-Dre; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:53:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7Ukv-1Q8knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:53:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7Ukv-0001FO-AQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:53:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 796F4AC2359; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:53:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10891-08; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:53:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DEE3AC23D1; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:53:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:52:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9163BAC2359 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10680-07 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D208AC2346 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:52:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3017246uge.11 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.224.19 with SMTP id w19mr648615ugg.71.1228222368902; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r38sm6418164ugc.54.2008.12.02.04.52.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:52:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49352F9E.4070108@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:52:46 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1132 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=_e1bewnmGUUUJdFY6wEA:9 a=jeRq7iapm6XRwHAMON4A:7 a=2BPfEiMhO-wBKnFmlc5Ntmc9p8YA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=c7dBMNo5ZAc2jN1B:21 a=zW-HJRSuI45lqFy8:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1824] David Pilling wrote: > In message , David Pilling > writes >> In message <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >> writes >>> MY QUESTION IS ... what could be the cause of the problem when >>> outputting the PDF to a PS printer? Is the same likely to happen when >>> the PDF is printed commercially? > > Another thought, how is the PS printer set up to handle errors. Don't know, but will try to find out. A correction to what I said earlier re. problem #2 ... The white letter is not in a text box with a grey background. It is in a text box with a transparent background, in front of a smaller empty frame with a grey (50% black) background. So, the "layering" is: Picture frame containing photo (8bpp) | Frame 6.89x6.89mm with grey fill | Text frame 9.0x9.0mm, transparent, with white letter "e" in TimesNewRoman.Italic 24pt The reason I did it that way was because I couldn't work out how to centre exactly the letter "e" within a text frame (with a grey fill). If I knew how to do that, I could dispense with "layer 2". -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 2 13:43:44 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7VJP-2Py000-04-DJA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:43:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7VJP-2Py000-04-DJA; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:29:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7VJP-2Py000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:29:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7VJL-000348-Bv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:29:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 998BDAC18D2; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15532-05; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52DBCAC1BAE; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:28:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1EA46AC1534 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15401-04 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84100AC1851 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3027876uge.11 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:28:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.248.5 with SMTP id v5mr667323ugh.75.1228224502838; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:28:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y6sm6492880uge.28.2008.12.02.05.28.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:28:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493537F5.1030804@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:28:21 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1133 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VAkgtWO6HsnQsrtdeOQA:9 a=qVdC92y8_BmmVhwON9YA:7 a=zpRaB2rKxsTNX-aDO8IUDFWKBwUA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1824] David Pilling wrote: > In message <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> MY QUESTION IS ... what could be the cause of the problem when >> outputting the PDF to a PS printer? Is the same likely to happen when >> the PDF is printed commercially? > > One could think about the PS level - direct PS choices. The settings I used were: Language level: 3 Download font as: Type 1 Generic PS: UNTICKED I have tried it again with Generic PS TICKED. This time letters in frames with transparent fills were not printed ... which is worse than before. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 2 17:33:36 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7VXo-0Qbknw-02-D4l.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:33:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7VXo-0Qbknw-02-D4l; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:44:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7VXo-0Qbknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:44:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7VXl-00036J-1b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:44:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 822ECAC1FF6; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16856-10; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42C35AC2125; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:43:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48453AC1FF6 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:43:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16767-01 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:43:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10D26AC1D7C for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L7VX7-0001NV-p7 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:43:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:42:09 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk> <49352F9E.4070108@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49352F9E.4070108@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1134 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=v3zq06B6GQGDjwYkRCYA:9 a=_4gTwevSjk2fOo2AFgoA:7 a=jEszY1oyNMrcWWuJmFtlnXHGNdUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=Deig4VpdJpMZj7WP:21 a=XYAUqQNXNYM1Nd2Q:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1824] In message <49352F9E.4070108@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >The reason I did it that way was because I couldn't work out how to >centre exactly the letter "e" within a text frame (with a grey fill). >If I knew how to do that, I could dispense with "layer 2". I often do this, you use centred text (as opposed to left, right or fully justified) and then select the text frame, F7, and set align to centre. There are various alignment options for text frames. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 2 17:33:37 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7ViX-33hknw-03-Cu2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:33:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7ViX-33hknw-03-Cu2; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:55:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7ViX-33hknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:55:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7ViW-0006ef-Rh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:55:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55FBDAC22DA; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17655-09; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 166A0AC22CD; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:54:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A91AAC22DA for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17568-01 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12A21AC2256 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so3035843uge.11 for ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:54:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.15.2 with SMTP id s2mr678070ugi.84.1228226069604; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:54:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from Macintosh.local (5ac33432.bb.sky.com [90.195.52.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w28sm6497243uge.5.2008.12.02.05.54.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:54:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49353E13.6010604@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:54:27 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk> <49352F9E.4070108@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1135 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bPcjE7W4UckccWgHKEMA:9 a=W7QpMHeuBSF2mj9mf-0A:7 a=vDhl4vX8_ITfo1pP8Vm7Ue60qh4A:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1824] David Pilling wrote: > In message <49352F9E.4070108@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> The reason I did it that way was because I couldn't work out how to >> centre exactly the letter "e" within a text frame (with a grey fill). >> If I knew how to do that, I could dispense with "layer 2". > > I often do this, you use centred text (as opposed to left, right or > fully justified) and then select the text frame, F7, and set align to > centre. There are various alignment options for text frames. Thanks, I'll try that. I suppose the safe option might be to do the lettering in Photoshop ... unless, of course, you're going to tell me there's a flatten layers option in OPW that I've missed ;) -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 2 17:33:38 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7VvO-32CVbs-06-ChB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:33:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7VvO-32CVbs-06-ChB; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:08:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7VvO-32CVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:08:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7VvN-0003Za-OG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:08:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55EF0AC210D; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19459-01; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 100A2AC208E; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:07:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2921AC1BAC for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19338-06 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.talktalk.net (smtp-out-2.talktalk.net [62.24.128.232]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E584AC1FEB for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:07:39 -0500 (EST) X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar0EAB/PNElUDVyx/2dsb2JhbACBbdBDgn0 Received: from host-84-13-92-177.opaltelecom.net.92.13.84.in-addr.arpa (HELO Iyonix.Iyonix) ([84.13.92.177]) by smtp.talktalk.net with ESMTP; 02 Dec 2008 14:07:38 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:07:08 GMT Message-ID: References: <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk> <49352F9E.4070108@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49352F9E.4070108@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1136 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@red-squirrel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=JxT1-fw0RLA7O9hQ1JYA:9 a=I3Y1BunIhGmAC8XEEF0A:7 a=_QZL5Fz5stTcD6oMteGPfvSaXNUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1824] In message <49352F9E.4070108@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > The reason I did it that way was because I couldn't work out how to > centre exactly the letter "e" within a text frame (with a grey fill). If > I knew how to do that, I could dispense with "layer 2". How about using white foreground text with a grey background (set in the 'Modify text' dialogue box) in a transparent frame. Pad the letter out with spaces each side. That works for OvPro for RISC OS, but it may not for OPW. Regards Roger -- Roger Foden To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 2 17:48:35 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7ZKN-4NXVbs-08-9IC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:48:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7ZKN-4NXVbs-08-9IC; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:46:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7ZKN-4NXVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:46:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7ZKL-0001XT-TX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:46:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E8D5AC1F94; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:45:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15279-09; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:45:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24DE4AC2173; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:45:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:45:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5465AC1F94 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15170-10 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.134]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FB3FAC1C5D for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L7ZJ1-0006q8-nY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:45:03 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:43:46 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Transparent text background colour in Ovation Pro References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1137 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0g2HgPXQ470A:10 a=V_CJjHHpIRwA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rRGbZcolryDX9AZdsc8A:9 a=x-hFZyOE8nRmbEwTQM4A:7 a=m0_UyxkBxVHGmxE8so7FCC660qYA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=oGfTKFNn5qvrqf8_:21 a=rD796tVpbzm3xwr2:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1824] In message , John Grogan=20 writes >In an Ovation Pro document=A0I am using a text frame with light grey text= =A0behind >the main frame as a "watermark". =A0I would like the watermark to be visib= le even >where text has a background colour.=A0Is there any way of setting a text >background colour which appears normal if there is nothing (i.e. white) be= hind >it but allows any non-white colour to show through? >One solution (albeit slightly awkward) is to duplicate the main text frame= then >sandwich the watermark between the two frames=A0with the following setting= s: >=A0=A0 Top frame:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Text foreground black, background t= ransparent throughout >=A0=A0 Middle frame: =A0=A0 The watermark >=A0=A0 Bottom frame:=A0=A0 Text foreground transparent, background coloure= d (where >needed) >with the bottom frame aligned beneath the top frame.=A0 This works OK but I >wonder if anyone has a suggestion for something more straightforward? I can't see any other way to do it. It seems you want colours that know what they're being painted on top=20 of, that is a more sophisticated rendering model than OP and traditional=20 systems support. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 2 18:03:35 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7ZOt-3RmVbs-07-9Dg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:03:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7ZOt-3RmVbs-07-9Dg; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:51:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7ZOt-3RmVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:51:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7ZOs-0002a1-Pe for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:51:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42C68AC22DD; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15667-02; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02E64AC23D4; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:50:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BEE9DAC22DD for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15521-08 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BE69AC1D66 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L7ZOF-0005kx-kI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:50:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:49:19 +0000 To: David Pilling From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Looking for fonts (pp Rob Sinclair) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1138 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q2J_YHXS5csA:10 a=zNrXG8G4w1cA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=nLKyjaCcBzyzHuHlJksA:7 a=Sha_BpgUtXWbJklBbukY_-G1VYIA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=TiTtQM1ihGtR2hwf:21 a=pttk0-r3qbrXldN5:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1824] Hi, Occasionally postings to the list are bounced to me, usually because they're sent from an email address that is not subscribed. The way of re-posting them to the list appears to have stopped working. This means that bounced postings are not likely to appear. Below is a recent bounced posting: ========================================================= From: "Rob Sinclair" Hi there, Just wanting to know if anyone has heard of any of these fonts? Copperplat.Bold Futura.Bold Greek And these are from EFF but don't know where to find them Warsaw.Bold Formal.Bold All these fonts have been in Artworks files from the Artworks Clipart and Clipart 2 CDs Thanks Rob Sinclair ======================================================== -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Dec 2 18:03:35 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1L7ZS9-3Hcknw-03-9AQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:03:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1L7ZS9-3Hcknw-03-9AQ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:54:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1L7ZS9-3Hcknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:54:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1L7ZS8-0002ef-VY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:54:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78EB6AC2327; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15884-02; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 353B1AC231B; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:53:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42617AC232B for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15766-08 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CEBEAC22DD for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:53:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1L7ZRV-0004rp-iO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:53:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:52:45 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - PDF - Printing References: <49351773.8050701@ed.ac.uk> <49352F9E.4070108@ed.ac.uk> <49353E13.6010604@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49353E13.6010604@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1139 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E7RkN08-TFkA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=aA-rkObNAAAA:8 a=E0F6PzzqAAAA:8 a=U7UbAiMzAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LZqdX8OjhvyD-8p6_Q0A:9 a=mdKiIDnCbYf1JLLIpLMA:7 a=0KYzHsIX_tIiD5fXoo2AI0Zus_QA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=tX4bBxricJ7nA6to:21 a=SOKamEhA463NO0k1:21 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.200 [270.9.12/1824] In message <49353E13.6010604@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >I suppose the safe option might be to do the lettering in Photoshop ... >unless, of course, you're going to tell me there's a flatten layers >option in OPW that I've missed ;) Yes... Print key Select picture frame Ctrl+V The jest being that the Print key copies the screen to the clipboard as a .bmp file. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling