From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 8 13:18:13 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KRQox-1Qy000-03-DJg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:18:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KRQox-1Qy000-03-DJg; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:11:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KRQox-1Qy000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:11:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KRQow-0006L7-4j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:11:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C0B98D678D; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03223-01-6; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F19388D6731; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:11:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 474D38D61DD for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02836-03 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BC0F8D6166 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so27251uge.37 for ; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.238.16 with SMTP id l16mr380176ugh.19.1218197464735; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh.local ( [90.195.52.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm2856202uga.68.2008.08.08.05.11.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489C37D4.1030306@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:11:00 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] OPW - referencing pictures and drive path changes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 998 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2vc6EsRoJLwA:10 a=DCpR7Mfr6iUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3vxS4jzq9ue4eZUU8ykA:9 a=-fZ0zi8lHKjc92WqoDgA:7 a=j_LTPhttQX5iNirnGuEykEzxSYQA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.156 [270.5.12/1599] The ability to reference pictures in OP/OPW documents is an extremely useful feature, but problems arise when the location of the picture file "changes". My OPW documents and associated picture files are kept on external USB drives, which are connected to a MacBook Pro running Windows XP under emulation (previously the drives were connected to a WinXP PC). For reasons I don't fully understand, Windows will occasionally decide to change the "letter" assigned to an external drive (F: > G:, for example). When that happens, OPW can no longer find the pictures for a particular document ... and if happens to be ticked in View>Options (and there is a picture on page 1 of the document) then the file cannot be opened or closes immediately after opening. Assuming you can open a file and re-save it as DDL, then you can change the path to the external drive with search & replace. A slight inconvenience here is that a Windows path contains single reverse solidus (\) symbols, while the DDL "path" replaces these with double symbols (\\), thus: Windows: F:\Partition\Directory\Document\Picture DDL: {reference "F:\\Partition\\Directory\\Document\\Picture"} The situation is even more complex when using Windows under emulation on a Mac ... because the external drive can be accessed either directly within the emulator (by allowing the emulator to take control of the drive) or via a shared folder on the Mac side ... according to which method you choose, the path to your OPW documents/pictures will be different. Can anyone suggest ways of minimizing these problems? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 8 13:33:26 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KRR8W-2aZ000-03-D07.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:33:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KRR8W-2aZ000-03-D07; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:32:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KRR8W-2aZ000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:32:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KRR8V-0002RZ-GZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:32:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B033B8D6DBF; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12104-03-5; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 392AC8D6E1A; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:31:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22B428D6DF3 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11847-04-5 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fhw-relay07.plus.net (fhw-relay07.plus.net [212.159.14.148]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEC1D8D6DFD for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by fhw-relay07.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1KRR7q-0003Ve-93 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:31:22 +0100 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:26:45 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - referencing pictures and drive path changes Message-ID: <25aaa0cb4f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <489C37D4.1030306@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <489C37D4.1030306@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Plusnet-Relay: 71cd110d261d09c9e3693caf8167fb27 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 999 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6LIHE46Dk50A:10 a=ABSwiTl97rUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=v6Aic-fSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=BdZhnvuNp0heBBp86EAA:9 a=rz9DfnpbNlmendIDR-MA:7 a=UzyeqxO9A094muYxoo4pAuPt6-4A:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.156 [270.5.12/1599] In message of 8 Aug, Clive Bonsall wrote: > The ability to reference pictures in OP/OPW documents is an extremely=20 > useful feature, but problems arise when the location of the picture fil= e=20 > "changes". >=20 > My OPW documents and associated picture files are kept on external USB=20 > drives, which are connected to a MacBook Pro running Windows XP under=20 > emulation (previously the drives were connected to a WinXP PC). For=20 > reasons I don't fully understand, Windows will occasionally decide to=20 > change the "letter" assigned to an external drive (F: > G:, for=20 > example). When that happens, OPW can no longer find the pictures for a=20 > particular document ... and if happens to be ticked in=20 > View>Options (and there is a picture on page 1 of the document) then th= e=20 > file cannot be opened or closes immediately after opening. >=20 > Assuming you can open a file and re-save it as DDL, then you can change= =20 > the path to the external drive with search & replace. A slight=20 > inconvenience here is that a Windows path contains single reverse=20 > solidus (\) symbols, while the DDL "path" replaces these with double=20 > symbols (\\), thus: >=20 > Windows: F:\Partition\Directory\Document\Picture >=20 > DDL: {reference "F:\\Partition\\Directory\\Document\\Picture"} >=20 > The situation is even more complex when using Windows under emulation o= n=20 > a Mac ... because the external drive can be accessed either directly=20 > within the emulator (by allowing the emulator to take control of the=20 > drive) or via a shared folder on the Mac side ... according to which=20 > method you choose, the path to your OPW documents/pictures will be=20 > different. >=20 > Can anyone suggest ways of minimizing these problems? I have the same problem with Referencing on an Iyonix. I have never found a solution, so thanks for the file renaming suggestions above. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 8 21:08:58 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KRRIG-2YD000-07-CqN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:08:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KRRIG-2YD000-07-CqN; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:42:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KRRIG-2YD000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:42:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KRRID-0007eR-1H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:42:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DA678D6630; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16796-01-3; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DBF8C8D649C; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:41:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB6728D64DA for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16389-01-21 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70D6F8D5262 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1KRRHY-0000dJ-Nj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:41:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:40:14 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - referencing pictures and drive path changes References: <489C37D4.1030306@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <489C37D4.1030306@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1000 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6LIHE46Dk50A:10 a=ABSwiTl97rUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=vbKIbwKkac-4-UPvs44A:9 a=vOSPmB--G8kqWwHdJJcA:7 a=A-r6NZQm3uE1lCj5r8KPfR9Tl_sA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.156 [270.5.12/1599] In message <489C37D4.1030306@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >reasons I don't fully understand, Windows will occasionally decide to >change the "letter" assigned to an external drive (F: > G:, for >example). Frustrating, but ISTR there is a way of renaming drives, and/or getting the letters to "stick". > When that happens, OPW can no longer find the pictures for a >particular document ... and if happens to be ticked in >View>Options (and there is a picture on page 1 of the document) then >View> >file cannot be opened or closes immediately after opening. I thought what happens is that the window shrinks, but you can get at the view menu and turn off picture display. Things are not ideal here and missing pictures should be handled better. >Assuming you can open a file and re-save it as DDL You could edit the binary file - assuming you're not changing the length of anything. >, then you can change the path to the external drive with search & >replace. A slight inconvenience here is that a Windows path contains >single reverse solidus (\) symbols, while the DDL "path" replaces these >with double symbols (\\), thus: "escape" characters in programmers' jargon - because \ is used to incorporate control codes \n etc. it has to be entered as \\ >Can anyone suggest ways of minimizing these problems? The paths used are subject to macro expansion. This is why they can be of the form: {filepath}\myfile.bmp here filepath expands to the location of the document containing the picture, so that you can shift documents and pictures without changing the paths - making the paths document relative - all discussed in the manual. Anyway, you could define a user macro in OP, lets call it "mypictures" as the path to where you keep your pictures and then for the paths in documents use: {mypictures}\myfile.bmp Then when Mr. Gates' demon changes all the drive letters all you have to do is change the definition of the macro. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 8 21:08:58 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KRRXM-4VF000-01-CbH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:08:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KRRXM-4VF000-01-CbH; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:57:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KRRXM-4VF000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:57:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KRRXI-0000xt-SP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:57:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52BD68D7046; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24073-04-7; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47A1F8D705C; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:57:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E30A8D6FF1 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23734-03-3 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out.teleos-web.net (smtp-out.teleos-web.net [80.66.1.203]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA6388D700E for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mailfw2-int.teleos-web.net [80.66.1.233]) by smtp.teleos-web.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CE61F0290 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:56:58 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at teleos-web.net Received: from smtp.teleos-web.net ([80.66.1.229]) by localhost (mailfw2.teleos-web.net [80.66.1.233]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id mNQfLcvPGJG6 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:56:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ucs.de (static-87-245-57-121.teleos-web.de [87.245.57.121]) by smtp.teleos-web.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:56:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from martinv by ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 3.01beta5) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 08 Aug 2008 14:58:08 +0200 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:58:01 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - referencing pictures and drive path changes Message-ID: References: <489C37D4.1030306@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (RemoteNB/3.01beta5) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1001 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6LIHE46Dk50A:10 a=ABSwiTl97rUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=MxN7R_FHAAAA:8 a=0nVakUPdAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uinB_NkSRrZ1wzEzTjwA:9 a=DuMzlYuc4kea_4DHi5wA:7 a=7AGbOJN-x0dxIQzpEQ8n55zCyQAA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=W0z3mPXKZ6YA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=sdViDB0ecb4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.156 [270.5.12/1599] In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <489C37D4.1030306@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > > >reasons I don't fully understand, Windows will occasionally decide to > >change the "letter" assigned to an external drive (F: > G:, for > >example). > > Frustrating, but ISTR there is a way of renaming drives, and/or getting > the letters to "stick". > Yes, there is: http://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbdlm_e.html does just that. We use it to stop removable drives from 'stealing' mapped NetWare drive letters. Have fun... -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen Inhaber: Kai Uffenkamp USt.-ID-Nr. DE 125 408 721 email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 8 21:08:59 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KRRZK-3lC000-06-CZJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:08:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KRRZK-3lC000-06-CZJ; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:59:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KRRZK-3lC000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:59:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KRRZJ-0001Fn-L0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:59:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A8188D70E6; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25079-01-2; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 983658D70DE; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:59:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60EC28D7001 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24764-01 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F77B8D7082 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so30636uge.37 for ; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.116.16 with SMTP id t16mr404219ugm.62.1218200341625; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh.local ( [90.195.52.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j33sm2878236ugc.32.2008.08.08.05.58.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489C4312.90807@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:58:58 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - referencing pictures and drive path changes References: <489C37D4.1030306@ed.ac.uk> <25aaa0cb4f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <25aaa0cb4f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1002 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6LIHE46Dk50A:10 a=ABSwiTl97rUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nVu_rNlivE1nFkvCudUA:9 a=534UxO1xWVOV8id45AsA:7 a=Er6PxRdlut2ve7J5ZVD8lfK8UYYA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=9hlq2oIkD8gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.156 [270.5.12/1599] Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 8 Aug, Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> The ability to reference pictures in OP/OPW documents is an extremely >> useful feature, but problems arise when the location of the picture file >> "changes". >> > > I have the same problem with Referencing on an Iyonix. I have never > found a solution, so thanks for the file renaming suggestions above. Two things that would make life easier would be ... 1. A picture "reference" is akin to a Windows shortcut -- a utility that would "repair" the shortcut/reference when the location of a picture changes would be useful. Does such a thing exist in Windowsland? 2. Under XP, OPW (with View>Options>Picture ticked) collapses if it tries to open a page containing a reference to a picture it can't find. Would it be possible (Mr P.) to reprogram OPW to automatically switch the View>Option>Picture setting to "off" (unticked) rather than collapsing when it encounters an incorrect picture reference? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 8 21:09:00 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KRRmM-4NF000-07-CMH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:09:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KRRmM-4NF000-07-CMH; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:13:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KRRmM-4NF000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:13:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KRRmM-0003K4-DJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:13:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC62E8D6A63; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31750-02-2; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 995AE8D6C32; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:12:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41DDD8D6A5C for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31435-02-3 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 647878D6B07 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so31705uge.37 for ; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.249.20 with SMTP id w20mr423789ugh.22.1218201150714; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh.local ( [90.195.52.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p39sm191912ugd.70.2008.08.08.06.12.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489C463B.6070905@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:12:27 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - referencing pictures and drive path changes References: <489C37D4.1030306@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1003 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6LIHE46Dk50A:10 a=ABSwiTl97rUA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=E5pHsNbx32_1g4cdczwA:9 a=qqxEv47genu3lm6nNC8A:7 a=pbvGsPaZgB4o9ZLrrWOh_3WdRKwA:4 a=yoW3GxOvyaEA:10 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.156 [270.5.12/1599] David Pilling wrote: > In message <489C37D4.1030306@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > >> reasons I don't fully understand, Windows will occasionally decide to >> change the "letter" assigned to an external drive (F: > G:, for example). > > Frustrating, but ISTR there is a way of renaming drives, and/or getting > the letters to "stick". > >> When that happens, OPW can no longer find the pictures for a >> particular document ... and if happens to be ticked in >> View>Options (and there is a picture on page 1 of the document) then >> View> >> file cannot be opened or closes immediately after opening. > > I thought what happens is that the window shrinks, but you can get at > the view menu and turn off picture display. Yes, I think you are right ... but (if it's technically possible) why not have OPW just turn off picture display automatically, since you can't do anything with the document until that is done? >> Can anyone suggest ways of minimizing these problems? > > The paths used are subject to macro expansion. This is why they can be > of the form: > > {filepath}\myfile.bmp > > here filepath expands to the location of the document containing the > picture, so that you can shift documents and pictures without changing > the paths - making the paths document relative - all discussed in the > manual. > > Anyway, you could define a user macro in OP, lets call it "mypictures" > as the path to where you keep your pictures and then for the paths in > documents use: > > {mypictures}\myfile.bmp > > Then when Mr. Gates' demon changes all the drive letters all you have to > do is change the definition of the macro. Thanks. Will take a look at that. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 28 14:19:53 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KYbot-1BnVbs-04-Baa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:19:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KYbot-1BnVbs-04-Baa; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:21:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KYbot-1BnVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:21:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KYboq-0002tp-U9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:21:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FC3C92231C; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05910-08; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F82392236F; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:20:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7ACA592231C for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05807-07 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net [203.16.214.146]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0DDF922335 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:20:41 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApUBAFXttUh5LBk6/2dsb2JhbAAIuk2BaQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,285,1217773800"; d="scan'208";a="182104191" Received: from ppp121-44-25-58.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.25.58]) by ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 28 Aug 2008 16:50:35 +0930 Message-ID: <48B651FC.50207@internode.on.net> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:21:32 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] Loading problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1004 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qSZXsT6AmFl9Qp5pLzMA:9 a=sg45Zyi-LpFCHD-yTV0A:7 a=w3cYKPI0T8VFlMlt75tcYXSQeawA:4 a=f3vTY2RCmVgA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.6.10/1638] If I open and then save a document when loading it again to reports that it Windows cannot find the document etc.. Neither can I load any old files:-( I have done something which prevents me loading a saved OP W file it was all due to Fusion 11 not be able to be run, as it needed full control and UAC turned on and run as administrator which took ages to solve. I have not tried to reload OP W yet as I prefer to solve the problem first so I do not do it again. I have Vista computer and running the latest version. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 28 14:19:54 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KYbtC-1OHVbs-08-BWH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:19:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KYbtC-1OHVbs-08-BWH; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:25:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KYbtC-1OHVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:25:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KYbtB-0005yf-9D for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:25:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 209C692235F; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06213-04; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B575E922360; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:25:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E17C7922385 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06082-03 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net [203.16.214.146]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 966A192237B for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:25:01 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApUBAFXttUh5LBk6/2dsb2JhbAAIuk2BaQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,285,1217773800"; d="scan'208";a="182106533" Received: from ppp121-44-25-58.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.25.58]) by ipmail01.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 28 Aug 2008 16:54:54 +0930 Message-ID: <48B652FF.6010801@internode.on.net> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:25:51 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] Loading problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 1005 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=3qac6Mn8lDfq_w6ByDgA:9 a=580kgEq1zKUHzDquyDkA:7 a=NSjKMqolwsnfhkPcDOD36YRBmdIA:4 a=-ZQhYGXY2L8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.169 [270.6.10/1638] Found the solution I must have set OV W to run as Administrator turning that off I can load any previously saved file. Just put it down to age at least that is what my wife says and she is right. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling