From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 4 12:35:37 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KEjQ6-1doGPo-08-GT3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:35:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KEjQ6-1doGPo-08-GT3; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:25:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KEjQ6-1doGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:25:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KEjQ6-00004b-6Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:25:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D67786945C; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21362-02; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0CE1869400; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 04 Jul 2008 07:25:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 165D686945C for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21246-01 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D793D869039 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1KEjPS-0006va-PL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:25:03 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:23:57 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: O-Pro's future References: <4fb3d31088Lists@torrens.org.uk> <4fb45d73famonster@caverock.net.nz> <4fb66bd462bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <4fb8175a90bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <4Jtk7VApHpaIFw8P@pilling.demon.co.uk> <394d3cb84f.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <394d3cb84f.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 975 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=HonWDPSFiwV_xfXYgO4A:7 a=cB360V76L7SJ6AHV5RqbPIwZk8MA:4 a=uVawpVqKyvgA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.131 [270.4.5/1533] To conclude this thread. Thank you for your comments. There are some things there for me to think about. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 4 13:20:39 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KEkAh-1bT000-02-FiS.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:20:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KEkAh-1bT000-02-FiS; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:13:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KEkAh-1bT000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:13:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KEkAh-0000Uz-3i for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:13:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 141DA868ADC; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24629-04; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94E91868D68; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:13:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77B31868ADC for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24492-02 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28407868ACC for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk ([88.202.202.231]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64CCw86019493 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:13:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: O-Pro's future To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:06:47 +0100 Message-ID: <5c9498b94f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4fb3d31088Lists@torrens.org.uk> <4fb45d73famonster@caverock.net.nz> <4fb66bd462bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <4fb8175a90bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <4Jtk7VApHpaIFw8P@pilling.demon.co.uk> <394d3cb84f.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 976 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=kXQ4IBHnomkJDF5wxJEA:9 a=in3g0b8uBvoEGRTPPMgA:7 a=7g2zUetqgiyeHdL1VTNFAH_cWzMA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.131 [270.4.5/1533] On 4 Jul 2008 David Pilling wrote: > To conclude this thread. > Thank you for your comments. There are some things there for me to think > about. We will await your thoughts patiently, and I hope a bit optimistically. :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 4 13:50:47 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KEkcy-3C7000-01-FGB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:50:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KEkcy-3C7000-01-FGB; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:43:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KEkcy-3C7000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:43:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KEkcw-0001ZU-Qc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:43:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8B9A86834B; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26626-04; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32CC1869177; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 04 Jul 2008 08:42:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B154786834B for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26543-08 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E48D868345 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080704124715.CSSF7070.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:47:15 +0100 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.32]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20080704124544.CGNY29365.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:45:44 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: O-Pro's future To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:42:45 +0100 Message-ID: <22df9bb94f.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4fb3d31088Lists@torrens.org.uk> <4fb45d73famonster@caverock.net.nz> <4fb66bd462bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <4fb8175a90bbailey@argonet.co.uk> <4Jtk7VApHpaIFw8P@pilling.demon.co.uk> <394d3cb84f.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <5c9498b94f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5c9498b94f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 977 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=E2qu2-chE25TTQaMhYcA:9 a=XzK0REhI9Ta9Gp31d64A:7 a=xCJr655pPaRq7o0E4mdjEIsqelUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.131 [270.4.5/1533] In message <5c9498b94f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 4 Jul 2008 David Pilling wrote: >> To conclude this thread. >> Thank you for your comments. There are some things there for me to think >> about. > We will await your thoughts patiently, and I hope a bit > optimistically. :-) > With best wishes, > Peter. Amen! Alan -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 6 19:44:37 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KFZDk-0bWknw-06-FoV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:44:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KFZDk-0bWknw-06-FoV; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:44:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KFZDk-0bWknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:44:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KFZDi-00027u-0j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:44:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F03F686A0C6; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30652-04; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C86386A0E0; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:43:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3401786A0C6 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30277-03 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.global.net.uk (smtp4.global.net.uk [80.189.92.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F20BE86A0C4 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gr.189.162.149.dial.global.net.uk ([80.189.162.149] helo=waitrose.com) by smtp4.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1KFZCw-000Mq5-V0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:43:35 +0100 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 10:59:07 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: O-Pro's future Message-ID: <4FBA948FE0%cgm@waitrose.com> In-Reply-To: <464CA481-9D41-48D2-8E88-8D2B48AD73A4@talibard.com> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (26) X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 Authenticated-Sender: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 978 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cgm@waitrose.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Rg5MHZQLAyNN4mpacvcA:9 a=T9Az_drH88jbdEpOAmcA:7 a=dR5U6STZvOvkUDh3ZEc90jPgQLAA:4 a=C8mrrX0TPdoA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.131 [270.4.5/1537] In message <464CA481-9D41-48D2-8E88-8D2B48AD73A4@talibard.com> Michael Talibard wrote: > Ovation Pro's future, as far as I am concerned, is that I > shall go on using it indefinitely (despite being also a fan > of the Mac). OPro does almost everything I want from such > a program, and does it well. Why look for anything else? I was about to ask why you didn't use the printer drivers, together with PrintPDF if you wish, but, when I tried it for myself I discovered an oddity. The document with which I chose to experiment is a letter, intended for printing on A4 paper in portrait orientation, the first page containing five text frames, the second a single picture frame. The "picture" started life as a scanned, A5 (portrait) order form, which was then loaded, as a Sprite, into Draw, text was added, all the various objects then grouped, and the entire thing rotated through ninety degrees, so that Ovation sees it as a A5 landscape picture filling the top half of an A4 portrait page. If I "print" it via the PostScript printer driver, and examine the resulting file with !GView, I see exactly what I expect, and exactly what OPro gives me when I print it on my LaserJet printer, but if I then convert the PostScript file to PDF with *ps2pdf the second page is displayed by !PDF as a landscape A4 page, the right-hand half of which is occupied by a portrait A5 picture frame. Printing it on the LJ printer from !PDF results in a portrait A5 frame half way down, but on the extreme RH edge of, my A4 portrait page. The results are the same whether I create the PDF file manually, or via PrintPDF. I doubt if there's anything I can do in OPro to make the PDF file appear as I would wish, but maybe one of the experts hereabouts can tell me what mistake I've made in setting up GhostScript 8.54. Here's the command that does the conversion - */.gs -dSAFER -dCompatibilityLevel=1.2 -q -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile=RAM::RamDisc0.$.00000001/pdf -c .setpdfwrite -f RAM::RamDisc0.$.00000001 Chris To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 6 19:44:37 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KFZDm-0cQknw-08-FoT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:44:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KFZDm-0cQknw-08-FoT; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:44:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KFZDm-0cQknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:44:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KFZDh-00028G-4E for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:44:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5BF4B86A0F3; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30575-08-4; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C074D86A122; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:43:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0463286A0C9 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30234-10 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.global.net.uk (smtp4.global.net.uk [80.189.92.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1B1486A0C7 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gr.189.162.149.dial.global.net.uk ([80.189.162.149] helo=waitrose.com) by smtp4.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1KFZCy-000Mq5-Ha for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:43:37 +0100 Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 12:12:17 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: O-Pro's future Message-ID: <4FBA9B42E6%cgm@waitrose.com> In-Reply-To: <7963f4b64f.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (26) X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 Authenticated-Sender: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 979 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cgm@waitrose.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=x-Rw6tNiGsaxG0mFYn0A:9 a=tsux0tovAmw-k9ucRJwA:7 a=zFUSPpXqwt77SWAMDwH-eFaDqG8A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.131 [270.4.5/1537] In message <7963f4b64f.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> Chris Hughes wrote: > As to whether I would purchase an update would depend nowadays on what > the new features were. Direct PDF export similar to EasiWriter, would > get me upgrading. I can only hope that EasiWriter's PDF export works better than the PostScript saving offered by TechWriter 8.54 (I can find no mention of PDF, so presume that the version I have is too old). I've been trying to understand problems that I've experienced with failing to embed font definitions in PostScript files, so I thought I'd create a simple file in TechWriter. I opened a window and typed Mary had a little lamb. Then I dragged a Sprite file (TechWriter's own !Sprites22) to the window. What could be simpler than one line of text and one image? When saved as PostScript, GView refuses to touch it. Unfortunately it also displays its error report in a window which can't be saved, so this is from *ps2ps (AFAICS the text is identical)- Error: /undefined in gBox: Operand stack: --nostringval-- --nostringval-- Execution stack: %interp_exit .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- false 1 %stopped_push 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop 1 3 %oparray_pop .runexec2 --nostringval-- --nostringval-- --nostringval-- 2 %stopped_push --nostringval-- Dictionary stack: --dict:1055/1123(ro)(G)-- --dict:0/20(G)-- --dict:71/200(L)-- --dict:104/200(L)-- Current allocation mode is local Last OS error: 87 Current file position is 86624 GPL Ghostscript 8.54: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 Helpful, isn't it. :-( The error message produced by my PostScript printer, when asked to print the same file, is somewhat terser, but no more helpful. Printing the file from TW, via the PostScript printer driver, works as one would hope, so I think we can exonerate the printer driver from blame. No doubt I'll be told that I should spend more money in order that I can experience the joys of the latest version of TechWriter, but that raises an interesting question. Can anyone remember when we last had to pay for an upgrade to OPro? Can anyone who has taken all the paid-for upgrades to Easi/TechWriter since that time tell us how much he's spent on so doing? My guess is that it will be in the hundreds of pounds. Chris To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 7 11:41:09 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KFbM3-40Lknw-01-DgC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:41:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KFbM3-40Lknw-01-DgC; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:01:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KFbM3-40Lknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:01:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KFbM2-0002gP-T2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:01:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AF8487102C; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08293-02-101; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDB718710A7; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:00:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F4F7870F2E for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08028-01 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.talktalk.net (smtp-out-1.talktalk.net [62.24.128.231]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37F06870FCE for ; Sun, 6 Jul 2008 17:00:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Alg3AKbPcEhOlWOYPGdsb2JhbACIRooMAQEBAS2aMA Received: from unknown (HELO Kinetic.) ([78.149.99.152]) by smtp.talktalk.net with ESMTP; 06 Jul 2008 22:00:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve Yandell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:00:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: O-Pro's future Message-ID: <4fbad11702steyan@talktalk.net> In-Reply-To: <4FBA9B42E6%cgm@waitrose.com> References: <7963f4b64f.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4FBA9B42E6%cgm@waitrose.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.10) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 980 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steyan@talktalk.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LrFFHxI658BGKQsl61gA:9 a=5Q5_1ftF9Ls_u2ZJ_zUA:7 a=hP_m3SNl8AHlaG-edaWdPVqNHR8A:4 a=1mI2R1nvXRMA:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.131 [270.4.5/1537] On 06 Jul, Chris Manning wrote: > In message <7963f4b64f.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> > Chris Hughes wrote: > > As to whether I would purchase an update would depend nowadays on what > > the new features were. Direct PDF export similar to EasiWriter, would > > get me upgrading. > No doubt I'll be told that I should spend more money in order that I can > experience the joys of the latest version of TechWriter, but that raises > an interesting question. Can anyone remember when we last had to pay for > an upgrade to OPro? Can anyone who has taken all the paid-for upgrades > to Easi/TechWriter since that time tell us how much he's spent on so doing? > My guess is that it will be in the hundreds of pounds. > Chris I do not presume to tell you what the answer to your problem with PDF is, nor whether you should upgrade your copy of Easiwriter. However I doubt that the cost of such an upgrade is prohibitively expensive, as you seem to suggest (the answer was always on Icon's web site, and depends on what you are upgrading from). I have no hesitation in supporting, by paying the modest charge which he makes, the work which Martin does for the improvement of the Icon stable's products; and I think that this list (to which Martin contributes) has recently been unanimous in offering to pay David for further work on Ovation Pro. HTH Steve -- steyan@talktalk.net To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 9 21:19:37 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KGddK-1OhVbs-06-94X.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:19:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KGddK-1OhVbs-06-94X; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:39:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KGddK-1OhVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:39:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KGddG-0005Zq-0c for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:39:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A022D8B3848; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28780-07-4; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E55A88B387F; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:38:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CFDE8B1D4D for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28487-03-3 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA7828B0EC0 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 13:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=AriaCube) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1KGdcV-000By2-Eb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:38:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Louie To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:38:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] custom border Message-ID: <4fbc4a1d1blouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 981 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: louie@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=IT8yfQ1jdvB5kEgqUj8A:9 a=y6SZsl9_OqZF4eOylvAA:7 a=aOaRTJaAm_ZgBo4LReQkRH_1mm4A:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.138 [270.4.7/1542] Hi All, Please don't shout as I know you will have been asked this a thousand time over, but I can't find the manual. How can I create custom borders for my frames? I know it's possible, but for the life of me I can't work it out. Can you either please explain or point me to somewhere (other than the manual) where is says how to do this?! Thanks in advance! Louie To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 9 21:19:38 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KGdzR-2FbVbs-03-8iQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:19:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KGdzR-2FbVbs-03-8iQ; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:02:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KGdzR-2FbVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:02:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KGdzN-0003Fd-BK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:02:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1CDD8B305C; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06912-05-3; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 208968B3725; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:01:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71C688B2731 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06585-04 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 465C48B2D37 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk ([88.202.202.231]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69I0iCa006805 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 19:00:44 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: custom border To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:52:36 +0100 Message-ID: <496b4bbc4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4fbc4a1d1blouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4fbc4a1d1blouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 982 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=mlj5cm-hFFxd0PJdZNkA:9 a=unuXKmnIxkOV46s4HJIA:7 a=YosSH4BEmFH81vZUl4RRUkB2-a4A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.138 [270.4.7/1542] On 9 Jul 2008 Louie wrote: > Hi All, > Please don't shout as I know you will have been asked this a thousand time > over, but I can't find the manual. How can I create custom borders for my > frames? I know it's possible, but for the life of me I can't work it out. > Can you either please explain or point me to somewhere (other than the > manual) where is says how to do this?! > Thanks in advance! Replied off-list. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Er \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 9 21:19:41 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KGf39-09mGPo-06-GBE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:19:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KGf39-09mGPo-06-GBE; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:09:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.98] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KGf39-09mGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:09:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KGf4h-0001E1-1c for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:11:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3590C8B4C6B; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09971-01; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 952C88B4C74; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:09:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F6AB8B4C02 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09529-04-4 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FDA78AF2ED for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1KGf2T-00039N-P3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:09:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:07:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: custom border Message-ID: <4fbc524a52charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496b4bbc4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4fbc4a1d1blouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <496b4bbc4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 983 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=1FQYS_IPPD4gJGi98HYA:9 a=YKwS6lFbRx3SltXQVNoA:7 a=VUO5jBQ6DRxYdXiZ5aN1VdXLk9QA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.138 [270.4.7/1542] In article <496b4bbc4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 9 Jul 2008 Louie wrote: > > Hi All, > > Please don't shout as I know you will have been asked this a thousand > > time over, but I can't find the manual. How can I create custom borders > > for my frames? I know it's possible, but for the life of me I can't > > work it out. Can you either please explain or point me to somewhere > > (other than the manual) where is says how to do this?! > > Thanks in advance! > Replied off-list. aren't the rest of us allowed to know? ;-( -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 9 21:34:26 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KGgGu-2yiGPo-02-ExT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:34:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KGgGu-2yiGPo-02-ExT; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:28:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KGgGu-2yiGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:28:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KGgGu-0001hy-Fr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:28:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E15C88B5198; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18964-03-3; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FC608B51E1; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:27:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 905CD8B402D for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18628-01-23 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpsmtp-eml11.kpnxchange.com (hpsmtp-eml11.kpnxchange.com [213.75.38.111]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DE3B8B46E2 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpsmtp-eml102.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.84.102]) by hpsmtp-eml11.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:27:34 +0200 Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl ([81.204.75.73]) by cpsmtp-eml102.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:27:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:27:29 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: custom border Message-ID: <4fbc599975Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <4fbc524a52charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <4fbc4a1d1blouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <496b4bbc4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4fbc524a52charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2008 20:27:33.0841 (UTC) FILETIME=[380F7C10:01C8E202] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 984 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=CoCvVXid47inO6SUqUsA:9 a=E6AWZetB8H-AP4__PlEA:7 a=ypyUP32LN_8HWyR_oZU9lCoffcYA:4 a=M3PvEdNFSBYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.138 [270.4.7/1542] > > > Please don't shout as I know you will have been asked this a thousand > > > time over, but I can't find the manual. > > Replied off-list. > aren't the rest of us allowed to know? ;-( The rest of us didn't loose the manual. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 9 22:04:28 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KGgg5-0uO000-08-EYI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:04:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KGgg5-0uO000-08-EYI; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:54:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KGgg5-0uO000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:54:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KGgg0-0005SZ-VD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:54:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2A728B60B5; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30069-02-7; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 603A78B60B3; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:49:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D6D68B5FE7 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29770-02-7 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAB528B5FC9 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 16:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1KGgb5-000P0X-IE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:49:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:47:49 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: custom border References: <4fbc4a1d1blouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <496b4bbc4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4fbc524a52charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4fbc599975Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <4fbc599975Paul@sprie.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 985 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=G9IhpqVOBHpKnDDoXzUA:7 a=2xcp9UMY2VNtiB6mR-LfcyAYlXIA:4 a=qRZQT-bWOi0A:10 a=KDd-qaFsTrQA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.138 [270.4.7/1542] In message <4fbc599975Paul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers writes >The rest of us didn't loose the manual. 8-) The manual is on the CD. OK, so you probably lost the CD too. But copying the OvationPro/zip file off the CD and onto your hard disc might be a good idea. If you're really desperate the manual for the Windows version is online: www.davidpilling.com/cd the differences are small. If I was Chris Evans I'd say "we have spare manuals in stock"... (they're available on my web site). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 9 22:19:27 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KGgx4-1Vs000-01-EHJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:19:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KGgx4-1Vs000-01-EHJ; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:11:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KGgx4-1Vs000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:11:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KGgx0-0001Xi-Uk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:11:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C60D8B630D; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10002-02-9; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9585589DE29; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:11:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3440A89B3CB for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09658-02-17 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB12D8B4A45 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk ([88.202.202.231]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m69LAjG0009297 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:10:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: custom border To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:10:18 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4fbc4a1d1blouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <496b4bbc4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4fbc524a52charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4fbc524a52charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 986 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=VLGJDu2K11htGrGafzYA:9 a=rCMhQdcMDeBUWevrrWgA:7 a=AlzkFALZxOTsOs9DLtS6nj_e4D4A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.138 [270.4.7/1542] On 9 Jul 2008 charles wrote: > In article <496b4bbc4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young > wrote: >> On 9 Jul 2008 Louie wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> Please don't shout as I know you will have been asked this a thousand >>> time over, but I can't find the manual. How can I create custom borders >>> for my frames? I know it's possible, but for the life of me I can't >>> work it out. Can you either please explain or point me to somewhere >>> (other than the manual) where is says how to do this?! >>> Thanks in advance! >> Replied off-list. > aren't the rest of us allowed to know? ;-( Sorry to be secretive; I went to the disc-based manual (1) and sent Louie the relevant chapters (2), which I don't think would have been appreciated in this list. :-) (1) Yet another reason for not losing the manual. (2) Myself, I couldn't understand most of the bits about custom borders. Perhaps Louie is wiser? With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Er \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Jul 9 22:19:27 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KGh2Y-1jw000-04-EBp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:19:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KGh2Y-1jw000-04-EBp; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:17:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KGh2Y-1jw000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:17:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KGh2V-0007cw-Ma for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:17:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C51CE8B63EF; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12871-02-3; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10F878B6377; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:16:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BB218B63EF for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12538-05 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C78828B6529 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1KGh1Z-0004Dv-5I for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:16:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:16:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: custom border Message-ID: <4fbc5e1dc5charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4fbc4a1d1blouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <496b4bbc4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4fbc524a52charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4fbc599975Paul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 987 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=e4Tj2iDWs4KN4GdcNa0A:9 a=AGN3erECohUcWLcbgCUA:7 a=HfXkxI245ZzOIKJCp-_p-1EZWXUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.138 [270.4.7/1542] In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4fbc599975Paul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers > writes > >The rest of us didn't loose the manual. > 8-) > The manual is on the CD. OK, so you probably lost the CD too. actually, I do have the CD. It's just that the paper manual is so much more convenient to look at. must be my age showing. -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jul 10 11:48:59 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KGiUH-4CD000-08-Ck6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:48:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KGiUH-4CD000-08-Ck6; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:50:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KGiUH-4CD000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:50:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KGiUH-00029F-0x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:50:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C0448B733E; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18915-02-5; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BEB698B734C; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:49:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 705308B730D for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18622-03 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D7AC8B72F2 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=AriaCube) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1KGiTb-0004KS-Mn for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:49:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Louie To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:49:00 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: custom border Message-ID: <4fbc668e19louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4fbc4a1d1blouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <496b4bbc4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4fbc524a52charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4fbc599975Paul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 988 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: louie@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=d9frsj0YAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=e4Tj2iDWs4KN4GdcNa0A:9 a=lZmbqlzz-Kn3ijBxy2EA:7 a=bS0NULegCQyI1GkEzXyGgO7sB3wA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.138 [270.4.7/1544] In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4fbc599975Paul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers > writes > >The rest of us didn't loose the manual. > 8-) > The manual is on the CD. OK, so you probably lost the CD too. But > copying the OvationPro/zip file off the CD and onto your hard disc might > be a good idea. > If you're really desperate the manual for the Windows version is online: > www.davidpilling.com/cd > the differences are small. > If I was Chris Evans I'd say "we have spare manuals in stock"... > (they're available on my web site). I didn't say I lost it- I'm just temporarily uncertain of its precise location! I think I left it at my mums, which means that it will be in a box somewhere from the move. x To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Jul 10 11:49:09 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KGsAE-4L2000-07-Baf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:49:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KGsAE-4L2000-07-Baf; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:10:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KGsAE-4L2000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:10:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KGsAA-0006bz-NZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:10:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40B548BFB7B; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18746-02-9; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF0FE8BFB56; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:09:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14AE68BF3E7 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18342-02-25 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D75538BF8B0 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1KGs9V-000Lyp-Ly for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:09:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:10:27 GMT From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: custom border Message-ID: <59739fbc4f.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <4fbc4a1d1blouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <496b4bbc4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4fbc524a52charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4fbc599975Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <4fbc599975Paul@sprie.nl> X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 989 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=y7jXgpcIFi-H_-tBCvMA:9 a=XgbxBYKHAcsvuR981XMA:7 a=qMbaLgLyPgfc843xyn37u6oGRy4A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.138 [270.4.7/1544] In message <4fbc599975Paul@sprie.nl> Paul Sprangers wrote: > >> > > Please don't shout as I know you will have been asked this a thousand >> > > time over, but I can't find the manual. > >> > Replied off-list. > >> aren't the rest of us allowed to know? ;-( > >The rest of us didn't loose the manual. > >Kind regards, >Paul Sprangers > I've had a check and I've got manuals back to my original BeeBug ones...but I can't find my Discs! Panic! David >To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 11 19:13:18 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KHMrb-0jZ000-01-EzM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:13:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KHMrb-0jZ000-01-EzM; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:56:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KHMrb-0jZ000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:56:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KHMqm-0004mI-4j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:56:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 979B98BFAD3; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12353-03; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2886C8BF942; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:55:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA3718BFAD3 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12218-04 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D44F8BF17E for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk ([88.202.195.125]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6BHspQG014688 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:54:52 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: custom border To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:54:55 +0100 Message-ID: <774d53bd4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4fbc4a1d1blouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <496b4bbc4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4fbc524a52charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4fbc599975Paul@sprie.nl> <59739fbc4f.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> <4fbd523158louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4fbd523158louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 991 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Z0KXJGHHxR7zq91sOu0A:9 a=yvfQaXljm_TdMqk89qIA:7 a=_d6wkyf77zfHbxdYh-V2UbD5L5oA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.138 [270.4.7/1546] On 11 Jul 2008 Louie wrote: [snip] > Anyway, many thanks for the references. I've had a go at creating a > custom shadow border- so that it gives a really nice "fuzzy" shadow. > The problem I'm facing is that I can't get it to do the corners > properly. Rather than me try and explain in words, am I allowed to > post a Draw file to explain, or is that against the rules? I think that would be frowned on. A better idea is to upload it to some webspace and then post the URL here so that we can all see it. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Tm \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Jul 11 19:13:23 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KHMvm-0M5001-03-NRh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:13:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KHMvm-0M5001-03-NRh; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:01:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KHMvm-0M5001-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:01:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KHMlX-0007N3-Ca for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:50:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E09B48C19D1; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11302-05; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 778A18C18F3; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:49:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBE8F8C19D1 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11199-05 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 872BA8C197D for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vigay.demon.co.uk ([80.177.103.19] helo=AriaCube) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1KHMjz-00030Y-OF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:49:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Louie To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:42:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: custom border Message-ID: <4fbd523158louie@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <59739fbc4f.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <4fbc4a1d1blouie@orpheusmail.co.uk> <496b4bbc4f.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4fbc524a52charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <4fbc599975Paul@sprie.nl> <59739fbc4f.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 990 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: louie@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=pssh29JIdDq7g5Zcs38A:9 a=7v6LSrf7RX9knCY_sLcA:7 a=pffjxhzk_7zf84IBQWg7Sn9nCuIA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.138 [270.4.7/1546] In article <59739fbc4f.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk>, David W Mills wrote: > In message <4fbc599975Paul@sprie.nl> > Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > >> > > Please don't shout as I know you will have been asked this a > >> > > thousand time over, but I can't find the manual. > > > >> > Replied off-list. > > > >> aren't the rest of us allowed to know? ;-( > > > >The rest of us didn't loose the manual. > > > >Kind regards, > >Paul Sprangers > > > I've had a check and I've got manuals back to my original BeeBug > ones...but I can't find my Discs! lol! > Panic! Don't manic mr mannering! (at least I think that's the phrase?! hehe!) Anyway, many thanks for the references. I've had a go at creating a custom shadow border- so that it gives a really nice "fuzzy" shadow. The problem I'm facing is that I can't get it to do the corners properly. Rather than me try and explain in words, am I allowed to post a Draw file to explain, or is that against the rules? - Louie > >To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 13 17:56:25 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KI4oO-2bIGPo-03-Df9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:56:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KI4oO-2bIGPo-03-Df9; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:52:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KI4oO-2bIGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:52:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KI4oO-0002MU-7j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:52:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB90F8C2EF3; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20875-07; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A7CD8C2F30; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:51:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E4128C2EF3 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20785-03 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.global.net.uk (smtp1.global.net.uk [80.189.94.53]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 292FB8C2EEE for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gr.189.166.89.dial.global.net.uk ([80.189.166.89] helo=waitrose.com) by smtp1.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1KI4nj-0002PS-7t for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:51:56 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:07:43 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: O-Pro's future Message-ID: <4FBE25370A%cgm@waitrose.com> In-Reply-To: <4FBA948FE0%cgm@waitrose.com> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (26) X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.05 Authenticated-Sender: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 992 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cgm@waitrose.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lXW8fVtTzXSOLqeLJS4A:9 a=Yeq5FxgAyUXQJsD1e8AA:7 a=rKOzE22U75zxxW2bHY9M4V48zgMA:4 a=1mI2R1nvXRMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.138 [270.4.10/1549] In message <4FBA948FE0%cgm@waitrose.com> I wrote: about pages in OPro files converted to PDF being rotated from their original orientation. > The document with which I chose to experiment is a letter, intended for > printing on A4 paper in portrait orientation, the first page containing > five text frames, the second a single picture frame. The "picture" > started life as a scanned, A5 (portrait) order form, which was then > loaded, as a Sprite, into Draw, text was added, all the various objects > then grouped, and the entire thing rotated through ninety degrees, so > that Ovation sees it as a A5 landscape picture filling the top half of > an A4 portrait page. > the second page is displayed by !PDF as a landscape A4 page, the > right-hand half of which is occupied by a portrait A5 picture frame. > Printing it on the LJ printer from !PDF results in a portrait A5 frame > half way down, but on the extreme RH edge of, my A4 portrait page. > The results are the same whether I create the PDF file manually, or > via PrintPDF. And the answer (to someone else's question) was provided Martin Wuerthner on another mailing list: pass the parameter -dAutoRotatePages=/None to GhostScript. PrintPDF will do this, but its operation seems to be somewhat haphazard (sometimes it passes about 200 bytes of parameters to GhostScript, sometimes nearly a thousand), possibly requiring the program to be quit and reloaded after the options are selected and saved to disc. I'm afraid I ran out of enthusiasm for experimentation once I had persuaded it to work, but AutoPageRotation: 0 seems to be the required magic incantation. Chris -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Jul 13 18:11:22 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KI4wF-2H0GPo-07-DXI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:11:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KI4wF-2H0GPo-07-DXI; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:00:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KI4wF-2H0GPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:00:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KI4vd-0001G0-SC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:00:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EAD188C29C7; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21645-07; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CFC68C2A92; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:00:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F9958C29C7 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21564-05 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B78428C2CCD for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk ([88.202.195.125]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6DGxmdc003568 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:59:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: O-Pro's future To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:56:29 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4FBE25370A%cgm@waitrose.com> In-Reply-To: <4FBE25370A%cgm@waitrose.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 993 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=CKwIYTfOAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=P4MAPBhSVOsHqueld0kA:9 a=QyhL15IassJv83LSBTEA:7 a=tU6O9lZih76Qxtk7P2dqJIq4KtcA:4 a=1mI2R1nvXRMA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.138 [270.4.10/1549] On 13 Jul 2008 Chris Manning wrote: [snip problem with rotated pages in pdf files] > PrintPDF will do this, but its operation seems to be somewhat haphazard > (sometimes it passes about 200 bytes of parameters to GhostScript, sometimes > nearly a thousand), possibly requiring the program to be quit and reloaded > after the options are selected and saved to disc. I'm afraid I ran out of > enthusiasm for experimentation once I had persuaded it to work, but > AutoPageRotation: 0 > seems to be the required magic incantation. Interesting, but where does one make that incantation? With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. 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X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.41 for RISC OS 4.39 Subject: [softwarelist] Mail Merge options Message-Id: <2454661.1943506-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 994 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tNFqyrDkzOuHEL-xiaoA:9 a=ZUSdjWAVx4BPYN-ZWMYA:7 a=QFi7PstW3sgjabHGWCZ8gMzTvf8A:4 a=hrUNHGjNSUsA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.138 [270.4.10/1549] Am now using mailmerge with Ovation Pro by calling my mailmerge document from software. Have discovered that on the windows version the printer is not remembered even if set and saved. This means that it is necessary to go to print, select the printer and use set before entering mailmerge. The operation would be simplified if maimerge had similar options to print and in particular was able to select the printer. This is not a problem with RISCOS because the printer is easily selected from the system at the icon bar. I would add that the whole procedure is vastly simpler that when using mailmerge in WORD - so perhaps I shouldn't complain! -- John Evans Mijas Winchester To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Jul 14 12:26:42 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KIAtb-46Rknw-07-G6S.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:26:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KIAtb-46Rknw-07-G6S; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:22:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KIAtb-46Rknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:22:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KIAtX-0005Iz-D5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:22:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D144E8C28CF; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18938-06; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F0868C285F; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:21:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 319438C28CF for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18856-07 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6A028C283B for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 19:21:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Trace: 144632788/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/f2s-temporary-group/79.69.247.191 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.69.247.191 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAEBvV0hPRfe//2dsb2JhbACvBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.30,355,1212361200"; d="scan'208";a="144632788" X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 79-69-247-191.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO helvellyn) ([79.69.247.191]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2008 00:21:39 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:19:41 +0100 From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: O-Pro's future Message-ID: <1bb578be4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4FBE25370A%cgm@waitrose.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 995 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=lgnwPbdDQFPIbPxMBGcA:9 a=Z0BNUweFuKiW1mbmn0wA:7 a=SxCT3HitFvuBzKcRA10e7AANueEA:4 a=1mI2R1nvXRMA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.138 [270.4.10/1549] On 13 Jul, Dr Peter Young wrote in message : > On 13 Jul 2008 Chris Manning wrote: > > [snip problem with rotated pages in pdf files] > > > PrintPDF will do this, but its operation seems to be somewhat > > haphazard (sometimes it passes about 200 bytes of parameters to > > GhostScript, sometimes nearly a thousand), possibly requiring the > > program to be quit and reloaded after the options are selected and > > saved to disc. Does it? It certainly wasn't designed to work that way, so if it does so for you, I'd prefer to receive a bug report direct rather than via an unrelated mailing list. The number of parameters passed to GhostScript depends entirely on the options specified for the conversion: if options don't need to be passed, they won't be. Clearly, setting a custom optimization will require the most options to be passed. > > I'm afraid I ran out of enthusiasm for experimentation once I had > > persuaded it to work, but > > > AutoPageRotation: 0 > > > seems to be the required magic incantation. > > Interesting, but where does one make that incantation? One doesn't need to make it anywhere, as PrintPDF makes it for one. In the Save PDF dialogue box (the one that opens after the print job has completed), open the Optimization pop-up menu and select 'Custom...'. The page rotation settings can be specified in the 'Auto page rotation' box at the bottom. The settings can be made the default via PrintPDF's Choices dialogue in a similar way. I think Chris is advocating manually messing with PrintPDF's options file. I don't recommend this, unless you need to change any of the 'hidden' options that don't appear in the user interface; it is *very* unlikely that normal users will ever need to do this. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Jul 15 22:08:04 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1KIV0y-105GPo-01-D27.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:08:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1KIV0y-105GPo-01-D27; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:51:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1KIV0y-105GPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:51:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1KIV0x-0007Qx-Rw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:51:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4D668C343B; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22630-08-3; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CA7E8C34A0; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:50:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 111BB8C341A for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22422-07 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B69568C33FC for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1KIV0D-0007EF-DG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:50:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:49:11 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Mail Merge options References: <2454661.1943506-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2454661.1943506-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 996 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=JgV2lyx6L13Op-aWon8A:9 a=KLo0obB7JkT5jK-4-bYA:7 a=QrIvlZF126_iYFZ67akfhLHCafcA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.138 [270.4.10/1551] In message <2454661.1943506-ovationpro@orpheusmail.co.uk>, Ovation Pro writes >Am now using mailmerge with Ovation Pro by calling my mailmerge document from >software. Have discovered that on the windows version the printer is not >remembered even if set and saved. This means that it is necessary to go to >print, select the printer and use set before entering mailmerge. > >The operation would be simplified if maimerge had similar options to print and >in particular was able to select the printer. > >This is not a problem with RISCOS because the printer is easily selected from >the system at the icon bar. I've encountered all the above myself. I can see the argument for wanting to save the printer with the document - perhaps even more information, some documents I always print using duplex (print both sides). I've just not been brave enough to make the changes - you may not always want a given printer, for example if a document is passed to someone else. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling