From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 5 22:32:21 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JX1yD-0npGPo-07-F8o.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:32:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JX1yD-0npGPo-07-F8o; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:20:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JX1yD-0npGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:20:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JX1yC-0005GH-P7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:20:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2CC14818EDE; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:20:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24789-04; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:20:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA7908190CA; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:20:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:19:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 004C8818D36 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:19:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24655-06 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2AD2818A91 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JX1xW-000HW0-KA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:19:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 22:17:58 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Win OvPro funny References: <4f79f2a760dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 511 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XzNN-llZUjAA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=ktHNBLzlbMw2BmMUDqoA:7 a=Qvxb15VmzghieV4EEtXJxZfQDn8A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.4/1313] In message , David Pilling writes >I'll put the fixed version on the web site tomorrow and tell you when >it is available. In the meantime, take out the extra point. OK, the version that fixes the problem with Draw file end caps is on the web site now at: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 6 12:13:35 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JXBH6-1OnVbs-02-EMR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:13:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JXBH6-1OnVbs-02-EMR; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:16:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JXBH6-1OnVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:16:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JXBH6-0002Jp-FY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:16:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6CE781861B; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 03:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00780-08; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 03:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DD398187A8; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 03:16:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:15:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E04EB81861B for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 03:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00719-04 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 03:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8315B817740 for ; Thu, 6 Mar 2008 03:15:44 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 672783885/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.105.145.25 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.145.25 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dave@triffid.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAL82z0dYaZEZ/2dsb2JhbACBVoFLqDM Received: from 88-105-145-25.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.145.25]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 06 Mar 2008 08:15:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:17:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Win OvPro funny Message-ID: <4f7bb746cedave@triffid.co.uk> References: <4f79f2a760dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 512 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uCZeLgYkZ2kA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uYZoYDrAL7qcBpIrf1IA:9 a=MORZFdecooZU_hWgU0kA:7 a=4_M4_VwlOurNjenErS2mVDOf3GoA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1315] In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message , David Pilling > writes > >I'll put the fixed version on the web site tomorrow and tell you when > >it is available. In the meantime, take out the extra point. > OK, the version that fixes the problem with Draw file end caps is on the > web site now at: > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe Thanks David, Tried it out on my original, and the test doc, and all works okay. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 7 22:12:34 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JXklI-17LGPo-02-CyJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 22:12:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JXklI-17LGPo-02-CyJ; Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:09:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JXklI-17LGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:09:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JXklI-0005Ky-3g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:09:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57E05817DB1; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 17:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15301-06; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 17:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E64AE817DCE; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 17:09:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:09:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C15E8196B6 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 17:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15233-02 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 17:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.152]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E84C3818AA6 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 17:09:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3426.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EE72D1C00087 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 23:09:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from standalone. (unknown [91.105.213.118]) by mwinf3426.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1E9171C00086 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 23:09:14 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20080307220914125.1E9171C00086@mwinf3426.me.freeserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:08:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] speak module Message-ID: <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 513 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: colin@mel-dr.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XMAFq6Z2jagA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=fvoTpQf4ZUUXVPtvOOcA:9 a=10pphJ3HSiZgXk17bHsA:7 a=8RTa6STF0wGBQtd0p4DAzlW2-AkA:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1315] I've moved OvationPro from my Iyonix to VRPC-Adjust. When loading OvPro, I usually get the error message that it's looking for Speak module. I have this somewhere on the machine, but can't find it. (I know this because *modules occasionally lists speak, but I haven't been able to work out where it gets it.) Can anyone tell me where it is likely to be tucked away? ... or is there a utility to search for it? One further question. I used to have a utility (module?) which put files dropped on to the HardDisc4 icon into a subdirectory. Can anyone tell me what it is called, and where I'd get it? Best wishes to all, -- ____________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / Virtual _______________________________/ RiscPC - Adjust To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 8 12:21:28 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JXnia-0tUknw-02-A11.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:21:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JXnia-0tUknw-02-A11; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:19:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JXnia-0tUknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:19:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JXnia-00063c-3g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:19:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EFFF818FEA; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:19:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31572-09; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:19:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A49F818FF8; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:19:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:18:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84B64818FEA for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31446-10 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5471E817DB9 for ; Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:18:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.68) id 1JXnhu-0002qE-OU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:18:39 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: speak module To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Frederick Bambrough X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:23:46 GMT Message-ID: <3793937c4f.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical ink User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 514 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fred@ypical.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XC2F-N68lsYA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=-WRSElE0d-eYjl5m_PMA:9 a=W9BJKg4y1PxY5B9WywcA:7 a=a4uovLVDc4l6MPtix9KrziIRw1kA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1317] In message <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> Colin Wood wrote: > I've moved OvationPro from my Iyonix to VRPC-Adjust. [snip] > One further question. I used to have a utility (module?) which put > files dropped on to the HardDisc4 icon into a subdirectory. Can > anyone tell me what it is called, and where I'd get it? That's a feature of RISC OS 4. You can change where files are saved by putting an obey file somewhere (Tasks) containing; Set ADFSFiler$DefaultDir -- Fred To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 8 12:21:34 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JXwIh-37SVbs-04-9xQ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:21:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JXwIh-37SVbs-04-9xQ; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:29:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JXwIh-37SVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:29:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JXwIg-00038M-L4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:29:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 159508194CE; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 05:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22046-02; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 05:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0D38819300; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 05:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Mar 2008 05:28:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A7AE8194CE for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 05:28:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21806-03 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 05:28:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 372C78194A1 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 05:28:31 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 22019783/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$ACCEPTED/freedom2Surf-customers/195.137.110.177 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 195.137.110.177 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: briancarroll@f2s.com X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4FAP740UfDiW6x/2dsb2JhbACBOqo+ X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net (HELO wallace.) ([195.137.110.177]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 08 Mar 2008 10:28:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:17:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: speak module Message-ID: <4f7cc9f39cbriancarroll@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> References: <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 515 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: briancarroll@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=sZkF4KEAk9MA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=17HGlXiTmk04Phvd5hMA:9 a=1Vc5bEt3BB9fyJfRKOgA:7 a=3WYHp-v0CrSx8SyOmZaPSZI3oyEA:4 a=hCNgsXmmqS4A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1317] In article <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk>, Colin Wood wrote: > When loading OvPro, I usually get the error message that it's > looking for Speak module. Why would it need to do that? > I have this somewhere on the machine, but can't find it. (I > know this because *modules occasionally lists speak, but I > haven't been able to work out where it gets it.) You can get some idea from its position in the *Modules list in relation to other modules which you know about. > Can anyone tell me where it is likely to be tucked away? ... > or is there a utility to search for it? Possibilities are !Speak, !Espeak, !Pluto, !TextEase. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, N Yorks, UK briancarroll at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 8 12:36:26 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JXy7W-0w9knw-07-Gf7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:36:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JXy7W-0w9knw-07-Gf7; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:25:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JXy7W-0w9knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:25:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JXy7W-0000mf-28 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:25:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9660281910D; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 07:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04646-04; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 07:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17F33819408; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 07:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:24:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFE888169C8 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 03:52:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11083-02 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 03:52:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from danny.netweaver.net (danny.netweaver.net [86.53.223.11]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 4A7CA8192C1 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 03:52:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9087 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2008 08:52:27 -0000 Received: from cpc3-hem12-0-0-cust643.lutn.cable.ntl.com (HELO Iyonix.Rannoch) (lists@thesandfords.me.uk@82.24.210.132) by danny.netweaver.net with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 08:52:27 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: speak module To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: John Sandford X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 08:52:17 GMT Message-ID: References: <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> <3793937c4f.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3793937c4f.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42S) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 516 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@thesandfords.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_O1citGki4UA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nSesSN7G-86Wriyrh68A:9 a=cinj8GWRPyM7nbaDG2UA:7 a=k77f12eIABq76uhIPyxD-Ti338kA:4 a=Ii4e4aeKgRYA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1317] In message <3793937c4f.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> Frederick Bambrough wrote: > In message <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> > Colin Wood wrote: >> I've moved OvationPro from my Iyonix to VRPC-Adjust. > [snip] >> One further question. I used to have a utility (module?) which put >> files dropped on to the HardDisc4 icon into a subdirectory. Can >> anyone tell me what it is called, and where I'd get it? > That's a feature of RISC OS 4. You can change where files are saved by > putting an obey file somewhere (Tasks) containing; > Set ADFSFiler$DefaultDir Also in RISC OS 5 John -- John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead RISC OS User Group email info@hhrug.org To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 8 12:36:26 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JXy9I-0Da000-08-GdL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:36:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JXy9I-0Da000-08-GdL; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:27:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JXy9I-0Da000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:27:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JXy9I-00025N-J0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:27:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FC148193AD; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 07:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04899-10; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 07:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97AA2819562; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 07:27:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:26:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE01A8193AD for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 07:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04838-03 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 07:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88BA78193A5 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 07:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JXy8c-000IuJ-8n for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:26:55 +0000 Message-ID: <5I70bQBJXo0HFwg0@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:25:45 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: speak module References: <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 517 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6uSRrY-08V4A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=OYMZU26_ZUr9k4A1Ow0A:7 a=28Sx81xltLnOD0p2c-I-O21KS7sA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1317] In message <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk>, Colin Wood writes >When loading OvPro, I usually get the error message that it's looking >for Speak module. It will only do this if you have the !Speech applet installed inside Ovation Pro, so unless you want this feature the best thing is to remove the applet. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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(jcbonsall@btinternet.com@217.42.166.28 with plain) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 12:44:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: StjpLiMVM1l6zihtV.JvQ_AYTdmG7ioNECdDgCO4pL6qtFqi5BGtZgYrWfQbdnPtYNdEDhd.sQ-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:44:36 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 518 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QHPjFZVTVUkA:15 a=EWfr5Cs--S0A:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ycZJpHi_XAO-caXknhMA:9 a=rqrorL8JsUq5MggFEAkA:7 a=n5ULMmKLlG0Uhkxmk9lPKv9C2pwA:4 a=6BEIpMDiMxIA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1317] Scenario: OPW document on an external USB hard drive, which can be accessed from both my WinXP desktop and a WinVista laptop. When editing the document from the WinXP desktop computer, Font list gives the following: Times New Roman Times New Roman Italic Arial Times New Roman Bold When the same document is edited from the Vista laptop, the Font list appears as: After.Johnston.Italic After.Johnston.Bold.Italic Technical.Bold.Oblique Trinity.Medium Plantin.Bold The document originated in the the RiscOS version of OP, but (or so I thought) all the RiscOS fonts had been permanently replaced by Windows fonts. Can anyone explain what is going on here? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 8 14:06:29 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JXzU7-01oGPo-05-FIW.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 14:06:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JXzU7-01oGPo-05-FIW; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:53:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JXzU7-01oGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:53:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JXzU6-0003jh-M7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:53:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2296E8190C6; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10894-03; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98A978190DE; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Mar 2008 08:52:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD66B8190C6 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10789-06 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98F8B8190AF for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 08:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1JXzTS-0005JW-Oy for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:52:30 +0000 Message-ID: <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:51:18 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 519 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=903KJhBvtqN-GYKhvsIA:9 a=JbGIiuByRvBTeFLWJ54A:7 a=DGIJvelYgm095yjhwkM-6gAd5ZkA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1317] In message <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Scenario: OPW document on an external USB hard drive, which can be >accessed from both my WinXP desktop and a WinVista laptop. I don't understand, but there are two obvious points, firstly is the document in the same state in both cases - i.e. has it been edited before font list is applied. Secondly when the document is loaded if you get a message about missing fonts and ask for them to be replaced, that counts as changing the document. The other possibility is that Ovation Pro's font mapping is active. Active would be either that it was turned on, configured differently, or that the fonts installed on the two machines were different in such a way as to activate it. The lap top version seems to contain more fonts and RISC OS fonts, therefore it looks like the desktop version is that one that has been changed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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(jcbonsall@btinternet.com@217.42.166.28 with plain) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 14:16:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AedQRTkVM1m2ZBi9T._btkPrqYo6HVhARNh6TEQtbaKv5WRgHRNqG7oDaj4ci7C5TqeuOkx0Dw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:16:26 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 520 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JPJ0cWhvdYMA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=vhTu6q8QKG9U_d617HkA:9 a=d_6eGdZ1sHrL4Tp0dQUA:7 a=UvAjiIvM2JLd8O2L06o8KUUHPvkA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1317] David Pilling wrote: > In message <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Scenario: OPW document on an external USB hard drive, which can be >> accessed from both my WinXP desktop and a WinVista laptop. > > I don't understand, but there are two obvious points, firstly is the > document in the same state in both cases - i.e. has it been edited > before font list is applied. Secondly when the document is loaded if you > get a message about missing fonts and ask for them to be replaced, that > counts as changing the document. > > The other possibility is that Ovation Pro's font mapping is active... > > The lap top version seems to contain more fonts and RISC OS fonts, > therefore it looks like the desktop version is that one that has been > changed. Thanks for the suggestions. There is only one version of the document, residing on an external hard drive which can be accessed from both computers. In fact, I simply opened the document ... but made no changes to it using either machine. I will investigate whether font mapping is active. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 8 14:36:30 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JY03N-17RGPo-06-EjG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 14:36:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JY03N-17RGPo-06-EjG; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:29:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JY03N-17RGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:29:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JY03M-0005AS-ND for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:29:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E27481943D; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:29:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13284-10; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F0EF8193DD; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Mar 2008 09:28:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C86D38193C4 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13093-10 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 982A78193F0 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1JY02i-0001mT-Oq for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:28:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 14:27:27 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 521 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=wo89M7g3AGZmuOQHWIMA:7 a=LSNgGftduHmLi_R38yA9Z8bpBk0A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1317] In message <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >There is only one version of the document, residing on an external hard >drive which can be accessed from both computers. In fact, I simply >opened the Yes I understand that, although writing my reply I originally drifted off into suggesting "comparing the two files". Having said that, you never know with computers, there might be two copies of the file ;-) I think font mapping or missing font handling is the likely genesis. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 8 14:36:30 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JY09H-1jKknw-04-EdM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 14:36:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JY09H-1jKknw-04-EdM; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:35:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JY09H-1jKknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:35:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JY09H-0002TI-0i for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:35:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BBA78193C4; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:35:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13695-09; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:35:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4DE481944F; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Mar 2008 09:35:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C3038193C4 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:35:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13579-10 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:35:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 8A90D8194A5 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:35:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 95268 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2008 14:35:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@217.42.166.28 with plain) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 14:34:59 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: MhhZEgUVM1n4fmM0YETeHvNTx1sdKdRpP3emF3yhH22W_Q5fbvqNtAd8syKnp5zZJyprfQpjhw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:34:56 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 522 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=UcVxB-hjHTUA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=YipniQcXj5wPAmQR0jMA:9 a=bc9WfYhq_3LmokETjXcA:7 a=mIDSeny0QEMMCikw92urHcCEIgUA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1317] David Pilling wrote: > In message <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> There is only one version of the document ... > > Yes I understand that, although writing my reply I originally drifted > off into suggesting "comparing the two files". Having said that, you > never know with computers, there might be two copies of the file ;-) > > I think font mapping or missing font handling is the likely genesis. The font mapping settings seem to identical on the two computers. Font Manager is set to . Is there somewhere else I should be looking? -- C.B. 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(jcbonsall@btinternet.com@217.42.166.28 with plain) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 14:50:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: I9bDDA4VM1nGw2nI_kWayVyK3D41WxVJr9XFc7sroBiQKsGLz98i9XwMaTwZhvpKfeoDXiotTg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47D2A799.6060602@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:50:01 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 523 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JPJ0cWhvdYMA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tb0FrKmJLzemEkNGgskA:9 a=4zC14HnffRF7EmqkRt8A:7 a=5ENxaLowqr8I3tK3eK442otodJcA:4 a=955elKCOoL8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1317] Clive Bonsall wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >> writes >> I think font mapping or missing font handling is the likely genesis. > > The font mapping settings seem to identical on the two computers. Font > Manager is set to . ... and no reference to any of the fonts listed from the Vista laptop in the DDL file. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 8 15:06:31 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JY0WA-2ZOknw-08-EGT.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 15:06:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JY0WA-2ZOknw-08-EGT; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:59:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JY0WA-2ZOknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:59:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JY0W9-0006Xr-Tg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:59:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55D4C8192F0; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15736-01; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF4DD819192; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Mar 2008 09:58:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED14C819101 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15636-02 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7B2E819020 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1JY0VS-0004S0-Ot for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:58:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 14:57:18 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 524 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=mHn5PEobeWJzeOIuHd0A:9 a=c-987SBMp7UuvhdMbGMA:7 a=kGvJjoJms8I8itUnizKmRAUb0UoA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1317] In message <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >The font mapping settings seem to identical on the two computers. Font >Manager is set to . Is there somewhere else I should be looking? You misunderstand, or the font manager design is misleading. There are three different sections of the font manager, one of those sections is called "ignore" i.e. fonts you want to ignore. Replace and Map are the other two sections of the font manager. I suppose it should be a Windows "tabbed" dialogue and the radio buttons are a bit non-standard. Anyway, what counts is if the "All xxxx active" buttons are ticked in the three sections and whatever data is entered in them. I think by default there will be a whole load of map entries to cope with standard RISC OS fonts. For example the mapping from Trinity to Times Roman. If you've installed Trinity on your PC then there is no mapping, the document has Trinity in it. If you don't have Trinity then the font gets mapped to Times. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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(jcbonsall@btinternet.com@217.42.166.28 with plain) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 16:11:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: D3hTcNEVM1mfkDhuJ.HsPSoTYdmj5yxzd8wjE7Lp35yWAYz0pDOkkxlyrmiw7jQLxk5aZdpPmw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:11:03 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 525 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JPJ0cWhvdYMA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=xVNlnSwlpiuMxM1Ha-EA:9 a=mvw-XQaizMZ4zXKE5hQA:7 a=RSxMbeCt4Hb6EZtkcXocLTjtz5oA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1317] David Pilling wrote: > In message <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> The font mapping settings seem to identical on the two computers. Font >> Manager is set to . Is there somewhere else I should be looking? > > Anyway, what counts is if the "All xxxx active" buttons are ticked in > the three sections and whatever data is entered in them. My mistake - they are ... and I have copied across !Fonts.csc from one computer to the other, so the font mappings should be the same on both. But I'm still getting a list of fonts (on the Vista laptop) that are not present in the document or (AFAICT) in Windows>Fonts. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 8 17:06:36 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JY2Pk-2lYGPo-01-CMt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 17:06:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JY2Pk-2lYGPo-01-CMt; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:00:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JY2Pk-2lYGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:00:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JY2Pk-0007OL-Ej for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:00:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5E89819558; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24540-04; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 719FA819603; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:00:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DD35819558 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24387-06 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09FF68192B6 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JY2P2-000O96-5i for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:00:08 +0000 Message-ID: <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:58:52 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 526 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Rk8O1tkGKpcA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=uUiY7GqwsCJhKpNdcrIA:7 a=o41E_xZlfxCoAviaeVVPWgsy6SQA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1317] In message <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >My mistake - they are ... and I have copied across !Fonts.csc from one >computer to the other Well maybe. I suspect there is scope for two copies of that fonts file. >, so the font mappings should be the same on both. The mappings being the same is only part of the problem, the installed fonts have to be the same on the two machines. Should be easy to check from the font selector in Notepad - or the font menu in OPW as long as you notice that mapped fonts are shown in italics on that menu. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 8 18:36:36 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JY3S5-2BvGPo-03-BKY.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 18:36:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JY3S5-2BvGPo-03-BKY; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:07:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JY3S5-2BvGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:07:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JY3S4-0001k2-Gl for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:07:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F01148194C4; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29302-02; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81E58819546; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:06:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7279D8194C4 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29191-04 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id BA7E1819496 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 89794 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2008 18:06:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@217.42.166.28 with plain) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 18:06:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: f.DMNA8VM1kmlZb1.IEPNCSapYNjb_nZlHf1vXQp_5RSLrOg9jq.k5O8SZmvYePFE2s89hOZgw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:06:35 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 527 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=14y3NBe2TFQA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=uOS_a8B-sYbGJIBuvD0A:9 a=bk38hyKKjpRSiq_fTZYA:7 a=IIZfVWmKwrvVUp_ZSuov0XmD4lIA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1317] David Pilling wrote: > In message <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> My mistake - they are ... and I have copied across !Fonts.csc from one >> computer to the other > > Well maybe. I suspect there is scope for two copies of that fonts file. > >> , so the font mappings should be the same on both. > > The mappings being the same is only part of the problem, the installed > fonts have to be the same on the two machines. Should be easy to check > from ... - or the font menu in OPW as long as > you notice that mapped fonts are shown in italics on that menu. The fonts in the document are the same of course, but there are differences between Windows XP and Vista in the fonts provided in Windows>Fonts. Altho' I have transferred the !Fonts.csc file from the XP to the Vista machine, there are some minor differences between the two in terms of the mapped fonts that show up in the OPW font menu: Corpus both Curator both de Gaulle XP only Homerton both Paladin both Pembroke both Sidney both SwissB both SymbolB both Times both Times Bold Vista only Times Italic Vista only Trinity both Even more curious ... I created a new document (separately) on each computer containing three Windows fonts applied as effects (Palatino Linotype, Vivaldi, Wide Latin). On the XP machine, Font List correctly reports: Wide Latin Times New Roman Times New Roman Italic Vivaldi Italic Palatino Linotype Times New Roman Bold On the Vista machine, Font List gives the same list as with the previous document: After.Johnston.Italic After.Johnston.Bold.Italic Technical.Bold.Oblique Trinity.Medium Plantin.Bold Apart from Trinity, none of these fonts appears to exist in Windows>Fonts ... or, of course, in the OPW font menu. Sorry to be a pest, but is there something I'm overlooking here? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 8 21:21:42 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JY6M1-3ENknw-03-Gx8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 21:21:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JY6M1-3ENknw-03-Gx8; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:13:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JY6M1-3ENknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:13:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JY6M0-0000yq-Sj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:13:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5897A819AC3; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10800-08; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06F8F819A78; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:12:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FD82819AC3 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10704-09 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FA20819A54 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JY6LL-000Gvt-MU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:12:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 21:11:13 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 528 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XzNN-llZUjAA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=r1Cr799C8P5ybu0KywcA:7 a=qGNwJLFWBU-azDolzU21WBtcGAYA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1317] In message <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Linotype, Vivaldi, Wide Latin). On the XP machine, Font List correctly >reports: >Wide Latin >Times New Roman >Times New Roman Italic >Vivaldi Italic >Palatino Linotype >Times New Roman Bold > >On the Vista machine, Font List gives the same list as with the >previous document: >After.Johnston.Italic >After.Johnston.Bold.Italic >Technical.Bold.Oblique >Trinity.Medium >Plantin.Bold > >Apart from Trinity, none of these fonts appears to exist in >Windows>Fonts ... or, of course, in the OPW font menu. > >Sorry to be a pest, but is there something I'm overlooking here? Lets try a different way of thinking about this. FontList works by looking at the fonts in the saved version of the file and writing them to another text file created inside the applet which it finally runs. If OPW can't create that text file - say because you've write protected the existing file, then every time you run the applet the old file on disc will be run. It seems to me you're getting the same result every time - fonts like "After.Johnston" seem unusual. So that's my guess on Vista either some specific files are write protected or the whole applets folder is. I'm not sure off hand how good practice it is to create files inside the applets folder, rather than in a dedicated temporary file. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 8 22:06:43 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JY6zT-3bnVbs-01-GJg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:06:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JY6zT-3bnVbs-01-GJg; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:54:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JY6zT-3bnVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:54:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JY6zS-0006pa-MJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:54:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC3DE8193AE; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13891-04; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 892FC819292; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Mar 2008 16:53:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91883819069 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13736-09 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id D8471819045 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 37042 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2008 21:53:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@217.42.166.28 with plain) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 21:53:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dxCEVEAVM1kPKUl7_ESIuy_8Oiq.noC1uMYgBJvULD0fXGt2LM2at9WuwHqGbyeTA2mOenMctA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:53:17 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 529 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Jp-4tlFespwA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=92Gbir9eArxvexyIQ-kA:9 a=EYl-8T_AkLXfHiYkXYEA:7 a=f3s3j9-nVaukGQNuzXjc32YJETgA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1317] David Pilling wrote: > In message <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Linotype, Vivaldi, Wide Latin). On the XP machine, Font List correctly >> reports: >> Wide Latin >> Times New Roman >> Times New Roman Italic >> Vivaldi Italic >> Palatino Linotype >> Times New Roman Bold > So that's my guess on Vista either some specific files are write > protected or the whole applets folder is. Thanks. That's the answer ... some files (e.g. the Lists.txt file in the Applets folder) are write-protected, unless you are logged on in Vista as Administrator. Up till now, I've been running OPW as another user. Logging on as Administrator seems to have solved the problem. But I'm still mystified as to where those font names came from ... presumably in the original download file? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 10 14:01:00 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JY7YY-0uvVbs-08-Fkb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:01:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JY7YY-0uvVbs-08-Fkb; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:30:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JY7YY-0uvVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:30:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JY7YY-0000yu-5N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:30:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71B5C819395; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 17:30:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16290-10; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 17:30:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11D548196B0; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 17:30:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:29:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D521819395 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 17:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16129-07 for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 17:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EBCAB81934A for ; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 17:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1JY7Xr-00029M-Om for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:29:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 22:28:31 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 530 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Q1XrdGfnwa3e_9N598QA:9 a=Xyh9n29L3liW8mqTakoA:7 a=EHLCwfp__jXhxHt6NmPqDw20EF0A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1318] In message <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Thanks. That's the answer ... some files (e.g. the Lists.txt file in >the Applets folder) are write-protected, unless you are logged on in >Vista as Administrator. Up till now, I've been running OPW as another >user. Logging on as Administrator seems to have solved the problem. But >I'm still mystified as to where those font names came from ... >presumably in the original download file? That is interesting. I wonder if I should change the code so this problem does not arise. I suspect some other applets will use a similar approach and so will also fail. I guess an alternative would be to change the Windows user settings to give the user write access to the Applets folder. Yes (and it came as a surprise to me) those strange fonts names come from the original install. I imagine someone sent me a document to look at - I've never used those fonts. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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(jcbonsall@btinternet.com@217.42.166.28 with plain) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 22:40:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: PXp7DN0VM1kYyOsHfdcA_X9LbgBKgj_WePierkan_1M.cof2gvcOFPxOQ2Etw7EtjVc8uKk5mA-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47D315CE.60107@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:40:14 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 531 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5fBjMD2eEa0A:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=jK1PkIHUweoYs0yz1HIA:9 a=-9-JoklaxWT3lnxDdvwA:7 a=ZcoHGXf5oW07gIwTvu1PM7_jKqEA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1318] David Pilling wrote: > In message <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Thanks. That's the answer ... some files (e.g. the Lists.txt file in >> the Applets folder) are write-protected, unless you are logged on in >> Vista as Administrator. > > That is interesting. I wonder if I should change the code so this > problem does not arise. If I used OPW in my work environment (which I don't) I wouldn't be given administrator rights. Even at home, I tend to have my own named user account in order to keep my files separate from those of other family members. So, changing the code sounds like the best option. Like it or not, Vista, for all its faults, will gradually replace XP. -- C.B. 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(jcbonsall@btinternet.com@217.42.166.28 with plain) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 22:57:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KVQPsYAVM1l_cA2Z7umtic.osrbji9YLv.sEhJV_WAKTstBN X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:57:06 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 532 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gpX-G1VWMsUA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=E1tm7quS4uxZsAvq5rAA:9 a=q7CclNtKE-OGDtTzqhgA:7 a=9Pp0fMkjvvVvEqLkd4xGVOuiC7oA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1318] David Pilling wrote: > In message <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Thanks. That's the answer ... some files (e.g. the Lists.txt file in >> the Applets folder) are write-protected, unless you are logged on in >> Vista as Administrator. > That is interesting. I wonder if I should change the code so this > problem does not arise. > > I suspect some other applets will use a similar approach and so will > also fail. > > I guess an alternative would be to change the Windows user settings to > give the user write access to the Applets folder. Interestingly, I've just noticed that in Vista it's possible to change the user account type between "standard" and "administrator". However, even tho' I had my own named account set to "administrator" it still did not give me complete freedom to make changes. Only when I switched to the default Administrator account was I able to do this ... curious! -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 10 14:01:15 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JYF9H-1JBVbs-07-GgO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:01:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JYF9H-1JBVbs-07-GgO; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 06:36:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JYF9H-1JBVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 06:36:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JYF9H-0002Sp-7i for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 06:36:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1701819B93; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 01:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16281-03; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 01:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AF7B819B8E; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 01:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:36:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7854A819B97 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 01:36:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16154-10-2 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 01:36:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2CE66819B99 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 01:36:02 -0500 (EST) X-Trace: 674268112/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.105.135.70 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.135.70 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dave@triffid.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArcEANMF00dYaYdG/2dsb2JhbACBVpBylzg Received: from 88-105-135-70.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.135.70]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 Mar 2008 05:34:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 05:26:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) Message-ID: <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 533 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=52KUrSywyDEA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=0nU6WmL4awCNZAjbwzgA:9 a=wY2bQbrATOkdhXMc92gA:7 a=ExO-HkaNtLjypOYh62u1rzUVP5EA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1318] In article <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Interestingly, I've just noticed that in Vista it's possible to change > the user account type between "standard" and "administrator". However, > even tho' I had my own named account set to "administrator" it still did > not give me complete freedom to make changes. Only when I switched to > the default Administrator account was I able to do this ... curious! Apparently, there are two levels of administrator accounts in Vista, a bog standard Admin access, and a higher level Admin access. Can't remember the minutia now, did read it a while back and thought, !$=A3%&*^()****??! and moved on. Dave S PS: The !$=A3%... Were some very rude words about Microsoft as it seems... Initially the GUI was a great boon to ease use of a computer, since the advent of Vista, the GUI., as now developed by MS., has become a hinderance to that act. Grumpmaster 7/10 --=20 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 10 14:01:18 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JYIHa-2BBVbs-03-DY5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:01:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JYIHa-2BBVbs-03-DY5; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:57:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JYIHa-2BBVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:57:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JYIHZ-0005aP-QC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:57:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39464819099; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 05:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05510-09; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 05:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D763E81949E; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 05:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 05:56:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 031AE8193DF for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 05:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05359-10 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 05:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A300819010 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 05:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.138] (helo=anti-virus01-09) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1JYIGt-0002xr-63 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:56:47 +0000 Received: from [92.235.173.175] (helo=[192.168.1.13]) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1JYIGs-0005i7-ME for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:56:46 +0000 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:52:49 +0000 From: Jeremy Nicoll - freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: speak module Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> References: <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.7) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 534 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.flists.73@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=-L1DfXGdr_IA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=7vtFykjVAAAA:8 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yGRd4sIxom6igTpg_ogA:9 a=N6Kxw5kBIrn8ZXA664wA:7 a=rf51KBJRcKEZ8S4zDheBl4PUkXoA:4 a=6bqG61NMjcsA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1318] Colin Wood wrote: > I have this somewhere on the machine, but can't find it. (I know this > because *modules occasionally lists speak, but I haven't been able to > work out where it gets it.) If you use something like !Reporter to log al the commands issued while your machine is booting then you can save that log and search it. It'll show the command used to load (probably RMload or RMrun) the module and show the location of the file it is loaded from. Even for people who don't understand the finer points of RO, being able to see the commands that are issued when you do something can bring a great deal of understanding about how things work. !Reporter is available from: http://www.avisoft.force9.co.uk/Reporter.htm > Can anyone tell me where it is likely to be tucked away? ... or is > there a utility to search for it? There are utilities that will search for files in general. The main problem you might have here is that there's no guarantee that the file from which the Speak module is loaded is also called Speak. It could just as easily be called anything else. Why? It might have been shipped with some other name, or you might have chosen to keep several versions. For example on one of my machines I have a directory called MyModules and in it I keep all the miscellaneous modules that I choose to load during (or just after) !Boot processing. Suppose I have three versions of a particular 'Wotsit' module and wish to be able to experiment with them and choose which one will be loaded. I might store them in three files called Thingy001, Thingy150 and Thingy220. Then one of the commands: RMload .Thingy001 or RMload .Thingy150 or RMload .Thingy220 issued from somewhere else (eg an Obey file) will load the version of the module that I want to play with. Issuing *modules after that would in all cases show that "Wotsit" is loaded. Of course I'd be unlikely to name the files with "Thingy-" names if the module is called "Wotsit" - I'd be much more likely to call the files "Wotsit150" etc - but it's not compulsory. Anyway, this slight doubt about what the file will be called means that what you really need to do is search your disk(s) for files of type "module" then look at the list of them and guess which is the Speak one. Steve Fryatt's !Locate is a useful utility for search for files based on their names, and/or filetypes, and/or contents, and/or size or date. !Locate is available from: http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/software/locate/ In your case just finding the module isn't enough. And deleting it or moving it once you've found it might not be wise either. You will have to make sure that the comand that's trying to load it no longer gets issued otherwise you'll get some other kind of error. That's what makes !Reporter so useful. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 10 14:01:18 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JYInS-4Nu000-06-D2D.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:01:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JYInS-4Nu000-06-D2D; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:30:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JYInS-4Nu000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:30:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JYInR-0001oP-QJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:30:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44D0B81936C; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 06:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09798-10; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 06:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6C8781950B; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 06:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 06:29:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7139D81936C for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 06:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09651-05 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 06:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 068DF818FB1 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 06:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28655 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2008 10:29:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@217.42.166.28 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2008 10:29:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wixTXWYVM1lA3R_1NCXSP7WWHm7wQFS6U7eR6jgaFSmX26UBKWvGBgr278ccvasj0VJ9PIzV7A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:29:40 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 535 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EmCy7Asr5CcA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=AiRchA2eJ0g8ogtgPW0A:9 a=rV82H4GxOgHiuMC10r8A:7 a=sajNgjpEUohMjEc_ckxG4mSIPXoA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1318] Dave Symes wrote: > In article <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> Interestingly, I've just noticed that in Vista it's possible to change >> the user account type between "standard" and "administrator". However, >> even tho' I had my own named account set to "administrator" it still did >> not give me complete freedom to make changes. Only when I switched to >> the default Administrator account was I able to do this ... curious! > > Apparently, there are two levels of administrator accounts in Vista, a bog > standard Admin access, and a higher level Admin access. Makes sense ... when logged on as a named user with administrator access, you can make changes, but have to *confirm* the action you are about to undertake (in a pop-up window). However, background changes (e.g. writing new information into the Lists file inside the FontList applet) don't seem to invoke the "confirm action" window and are automatically blocked. So, for the moment, the only solution is to run OPW by logging on as Administrator. Mr P ... if you're planning some code changes to OPW to make it more Vista friendly and would like me to test them out, I'll have the Vista laptop for another 10 days or so, then I'm selling it on to a colleague and moving to a MacBook (thereafter I'll run OPW under Windows XP emulation). -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 10 14:01:19 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JYIvd-4Lfknw-02-Cu2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:01:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JYIvd-4Lfknw-02-Cu2; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:38:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JYIvd-4Lfknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:38:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JYIvd-0007Z7-A8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:38:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C105A819597; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 06:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10806-09; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 06:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C32C819579; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 06:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 06:38:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79C3681953B for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 06:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10711-07 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 06:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21C09819501 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 06:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (88-134-62-155-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.62.155]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1JYIuz0DNs-0003Qb; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:38:13 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:38:01 +0100 Message-ID: <94a54f7d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19LsB9WISQP1kvfYeDifWkTHUNEZAHGz6G3Tat vsnTTh5Zyk56n6d5qxidIDkds6cH7JiRG/puF9KtyWCdUu9uew DoyDuESZ7ZEBm/cqqQ60FY9XfRLJAss X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 536 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tSnY09V5VcoA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=TLYrPoUZMW3kbaRqocgA:9 a=Z_g2q0aAZrKqVAHegiMA:7 a=mO_N9Qn5_qRdIBW_Fgc8u6IJ2mkA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1318] In message <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: >> Interestingly, I've just noticed that in Vista it's possible to change= >> the user account type between "standard" and "administrator". However,= >> even tho' I had my own named account set to "administrator" it still d= id >> not give me complete freedom to make changes. Only when I switched to >> the default Administrator account was I able to do this ... curious! > Apparently, there are two levels of administrator accounts in Vista, a = bog > standard Admin access, and a higher level Admin access. Even with the same account you have two different levels of access. By=20 default, when logged in as an admin you only have the same rights as a=20 standard user. Only when you run a process "elevated" it gets the full=20 admin rights. This is part of User Account Control (UAC). > Can't remember the minutia now, did read it a while back and thought, > !$=A3%&*^()****??! and moved on. Things are far worse than that. For instance, you may be logged in as=20 an admin and change some system file (or registry entry) and you will=20 find that everything looks OK, but if you have UAC enabled (which it=20 is by default) you will find out later that Windows has not actually=20 changed the system file at all, it has only created a file in your=20 local user store and overlays it onto the system file to make you=20 think the change has happened. When you log in again as the same user=20 you see the changed file but the system itself or other users still=20 see the original system file, so the files Windows shows you, even=20 when you are logged in as an admin, are not those that are stored on=20 the hard disc. VirtualRPC stores its HostFS directory (the emulated RiscPC hard disc)=20 in its installation directory, which effectively stops VirtualRPC from=20 working correctly on Vista while UAC is on. With UAC off it works=20 fine. 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(unknown [91.105.210.33]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 636D81C00086 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 11:40:28 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20080309104028407.636D81C00086@mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:11:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: speak module Message-ID: <4f7d0b494bcolin@mel-dr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> References: <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 537 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: colin@mel-dr.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_L8z17qKgnIA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=aL4wLX1DH80BMmCQM7wA:9 a=lg31d2ppKakQx5EAaAUA:7 a=Sa9CufHkfQI_Khgj14ooyoFNRN8A:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1318] Thanks - Speak module found - and in a very obvious place! The other thing I asked was > I used to have a utility (module?) which put files dropped on to > the HardDisc4 icon into a subdirectory. Can anyone tell me what it > is called, and where I'd get it? Thanks, John, for the following > That's a feature of RISC OS 4. You can change where files are saved > by putting an obey file somewhere (Tasks) containing; > Set ADFSFiler$DefaultDir However, I now find that dropping a file onto HardDisc4 icon does not put it in $ directory: it seems to disappear (works fine with RAM icon). (so unsurprisingly what I tried first - an obey file containing set HostFSFiler$DefaultDir HostFS::HardDisc4.$.Public did not work). Is this a 'feature' of VRPC-Adjust with its differently named FS? Regards to all, -- ____________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / Virtual _______________________________/ RiscPC - Adjust To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 10 14:01:20 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JYJxI-2bDVbs-02-BsN.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:01:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JYJxI-2bDVbs-02-BsN; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:44:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JYJxI-2bDVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:44:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JYJxH-0005vm-Uq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:44:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57E8F8192A6; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18223-04; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0702B819389; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 07:44:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78A428192A6 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18065-08 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2CF98818F00 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 07:43:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Trace: 57900448/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/temporary-group/85.211.72.213 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.211.72.213 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: riscos@gotadsl.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArcEAOdp00dV00jV/2dsb2JhbACBVqdd X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 85-211-72-213.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk (HELO Iyonix.home) ([85.211.72.213]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 Mar 2008 11:43:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Ashbery To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:32:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: speak module Message-ID: <4f7d4f2d8driscos@gotadsl.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3793937c4f.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> <3793937c4f.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 538 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@gotadsl.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=DAYVx2dBwpkA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=bemOEy7Xb30T-AEC5IMA:9 a=f9-ao7A2Q7TMuRcKwi0A:7 a=2RccoQGGejfZZ9z_ofo5SujQRzEA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1318] In article <3793937c4f.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk>, Frederick Bambrough wrote: > In message <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> Colin Wood > wrote: > > I've moved OvationPro from my Iyonix to VRPC-Adjust. > [snip] > > One further question. I used to have a utility (module?) which > > put files dropped on to the HardDisc4 icon into a subdirectory. > > Can anyone tell me what it is called, and where I'd get it? > That's a feature of RISC OS 4. You can change where files are saved > by putting an obey file somewhere (Tasks) containing; > Set ADFSFiler$DefaultDir What am I doing incorrectly? I have an Obey file in ADFS::HardDisc4.$.!Boot.Choices.Boot.Tasks with the line........... Set ADFSFiler$DefaultDir Temporary where Temporary is a directory in ADFS::HardDisc4.$ whenever I drop a file onto HardDisc4 it always appears in the $ directory instead of Temporary directory. I'm sure I've tried this before and could never get it to work :-( OS: RISC OS 5 Regards Richard To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 10 14:01:22 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JYKNe-2nFGPo-04-BS1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:01:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JYKNe-2nFGPo-04-BS1; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:11:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JYKNe-2nFGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:11:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JYKNb-0005cy-HG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:11:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A264E8183BC; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21725-03; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B8F4818576; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 08:11:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C87D8183BC for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21253-05 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.freeserve.com (smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.156]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6009181835C for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3204.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 59FB77000083 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 13:11:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from iyonix.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk (unknown [91.107.124.167]) by mwinf3204.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1E2947000081 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 13:11:10 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20080309121110123.1E2947000081@mwinf3204.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: speak module To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:04:16 GMT Message-ID: <578b577d4f.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> <4f7d0b494bcolin@mel-dr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f7d0b494bcolin@mel-dr.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 539 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_UCqt-UyJdkA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=Kc0a6QvqAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tUb4EEb_8uofknju-1MA:9 a=-AFbJvMEALFSFSXNPXwA:7 a=aJk99T58XboJ4CmszdjnD3BZkkUA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1318] In message <4f7d0b494bcolin@mel-dr.co.uk> Colin Wood wrote: > Thanks - Speak module found - and in a very obvious place! > The other thing I asked was >> I used to have a utility (module?) which put files dropped on to >> the HardDisc4 icon into a subdirectory. Can anyone tell me what it >> is called, and where I'd get it? > Thanks, John, for the following >> That's a feature of RISC OS 4. You can change where files are saved >> by putting an obey file somewhere (Tasks) containing; >> Set ADFSFiler$DefaultDir > However, I now find that dropping a file onto HardDisc4 icon does not > put it in $ directory: it seems to disappear (works fine with RAM > icon). > (so unsurprisingly what I tried first - an obey file containing > set HostFSFiler$DefaultDir HostFS::HardDisc4.$.Public > did not work). > Is this a 'feature' of VRPC-Adjust with its differently named FS? At a guess, the "drop to filer icon" is a feature of ADFS, which is why it works with RAM discs. You can set up ADFS discs under VRPC, so you could try it there. I can't remember whether the boot disc can be ADFS though. ADFS under VRPC has the disadvantage that it doesn't allow the PC side to access the files. > Regards to all, Alan -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 10 14:01:24 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JYKTi-4Onknw-06-BLx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:01:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JYKTi-4Onknw-06-BLx; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:18:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JYKTi-4Onknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:18:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JYKTi-0005Ua-CA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:18:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9010818EB5; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22488-06; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75CD4818264; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 08:17:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CB5F8194CE for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22394-05 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venus.eclipse.kcom.com (venus.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.60]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AE368191F5 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:17:29 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,469,1199664000"; d="scan'208";a="257512051" Received: from unknown (HELO standalone) ([91.84.182.81]) by venus.eclipse.kcom.com with ESMTP; 09 Mar 2008 12:17:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:53:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) Message-ID: <4f7d5698e4mlongley@eclipse.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <94a54f7d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> <94a54f7d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 540 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mlongley@eclipse.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=YXr0SO8uDnIA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=6fwQi2pV9KVVKwVbNssA:9 a=vx1-NCTbLJvFOX0UxsMA:7 a=iMkqEMObj5uJzUE55k0kY6X5Lt0A:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1318] In article <94a54f7d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: [Snip] > Things are far worse than that. For instance, you may be logged in as > an admin and change some system file (or registry entry) and you will > find that everything looks OK, but if you have UAC enabled (which it > is by default) you will find out later that Windows has not actually > changed the system file at all, it has only created a file in your > local user store and overlays it onto the system file to make you > think the change has happened. When you log in again as the same user > you see the changed file but the system itself or other users still > see the original system file, so the files Windows shows you, even > when you are logged in as an admin, are not those that are stored on > the hard disc. > VirtualRPC stores its HostFS directory (the emulated RiscPC hard disc) > in its installation directory, which effectively stops VirtualRPC from > working correctly on Vista while UAC is on. With UAC off it works > fine. And you can turn UAC off in the Users section of Control Panel. Do it now. You know it makes sense! Martin Longley -- mlongley@eclipse.co.uk To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 10 14:01:26 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JYKaS-056000-08-BFD.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:01:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JYKaS-056000-08-BFD; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:25:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JYKaS-056000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:25:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JYKaS-0005ao-Al for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:25:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA7368193EA; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23417-08; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A8638194DD; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 08:24:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34A568193EA for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23281-05 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D157A81901D for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 08:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (88-134-62-155-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.62.155]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML21M-1JYKZm3CEL-0001bO; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:24:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: speak module To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:19:23 +0100 Message-ID: <62ed587d4f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> <4f7d0b494bcolin@mel-dr.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f7d0b494bcolin@mel-dr.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19aPRDkDQgdLJqsn2fXCMyLkbtWz9sx6Ba+GtC KjbM5XG9MaWPM/jfX+e8k3bUIGusdjcxdF3Dm1F8klqqkzgxbZ +tsz4/8rGYjcCjp+9qn3bLS3VmWbR6y X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 541 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=i-L3Wp_ZXZ4A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=u8YKmwIsVZKzxKNibfIA:9 a=1YYFjdEZOVqBvgGxalAA:7 a=Uz12oBt7G7v_dezZURMnMjtP0YoA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1318] In message <4f7d0b494bcolin@mel-dr.co.uk> Colin Wood wrote: > Thanks, John, for the following >> That's a feature of RISC OS 4. You can change where files are saved >> by putting an obey file somewhere (Tasks) containing; >> Set ADFSFiler$DefaultDir > However, I now find that dropping a file onto HardDisc4 icon does not > put it in $ directory: it seems to disappear (works fine with RAM > icon). Dragging a file to a HostFS disc icon simply behaves as if you had dragged it to any other place on the desktop that does not accept files. The application's Save box remains open and the application knows that nothing has been saved. So, the file does not disappear, it simply is not saved in the first place. There is a big difference between the two. > Is this a 'feature' of VRPC-Adjust with its differently named FS? The DefaultDir feature (or, in fact, the feature to accept files dragged to a disc icon in the first palce) can be offered by each specific filing system's Filer module. Traditionally, RISC OS disc icons have not accepted files at all. RISC OS 4 has added this feature to each of the OS supplied Filer modules, i.e., ADFSFiler, RAMFSFiler, SCSIFiler, etc. If you want HostFS disc icons to accept files you need to ask VA to implement it in an updated version of HostFSFiler. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 10 14:01:31 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JYLbs-2edVbs-06-ADn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:01:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JYLbs-2edVbs-06-ADn; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:30:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JYLbs-2edVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:30:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JYLbr-00077B-Sz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:30:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53128819783; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00893-09; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04324819819; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:30:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E3DE819783 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00589-07 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05B3F819761 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:29:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Trace: 694297227/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.105.210.154 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.210.154 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dave@triffid.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArcEACCC00dYadKa/2dsb2JhbACBVqdL Received: from 88-105-210-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.210.154]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 Mar 2008 13:29:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:29:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] speak module Message-ID: <4f7d5f4defdave@triffid.co.uk> References: <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> <3793937c4f.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> <4f7d4f2d8driscos@gotadsl.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f7d4f2d8driscos@gotadsl.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 543 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=LJwb5bFaHYYA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=P5BhDlHUz0hSyOJP088A:9 a=N2WwAlVrTaT8SYiGu6cA:7 a=FSTu2FMEL6VMnjH1kZR-BeHxtjcA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1318] In article <4f7d4f2d8driscos@gotadsl.co.uk>, Richard Ashbery wrote: > What am I doing incorrectly? > I have an Obey file in ADFS::HardDisc4.$.!Boot.Choices.Boot.Tasks with > the line........... > Set ADFSFiler$DefaultDir Temporary > where Temporary is a directory in ADFS::HardDisc4.$ > whenever I drop a file onto HardDisc4 it always appears in the $ > directory instead of Temporary directory. > I'm sure I've tried this before and could never get it to work :-( > OS: RISC OS 5 > Regards > Richard I really don't know what you might be doing wrong Richard, as I use a similar system and it works under Select RISC OS. So I can't help, But... I have an Obey file inside ...Tasks with the line... Set ADFSFiler$DefaultDir Temp Where Temp is the directory In $ called Temp. I'll test again to make sure it's still okay... Yup! The file I dropped on the HD4 icon bar icon was put into .$.Temp and the Temp filer window auto opened. Reporter (Always running in a corner of my desktop) shows it to be working without Err. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 10 14:01:32 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JYLbt-2ehVbs-06-ADm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:01:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JYLbt-2ehVbs-06-ADm; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:30:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JYLbt-2ehVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:30:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JYLbt-0006YS-CV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:30:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF139819810; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00908-01; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FAD4819766; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:29:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B03B48196DD for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00589-06 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B8B5818676 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:29:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Trace: 694297213/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/88.105.210.154 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.210.154 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: dave@triffid.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArcEACCC00dYadKa/2dsb2JhbACBVqdL Received: from 88-105-210-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.210.154]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 Mar 2008 13:29:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:13:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) Message-ID: <4f7d5869b5dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk> References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 542 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=LJwb5bFaHYYA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=rZyTHnTixF759Z8-_gwA:9 a=nKv1MFjuYGL_b1_DF5gA:7 a=FNWUi2CQFU9jZGEIdXfZFKOJdBgA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1318] In article <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: [snippy] > Mr P ... if you're planning some code changes to OPW to make it more > Vista friendly and would like me to test them out, I'll have the Vista > laptop for another 10 days or so, then I'm selling it on to a colleague > and moving to a MacBook (thereafter I'll run OPW under Windows XP > emulation). My Vista run laptop is not going anywhere. :-( Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 10 14:01:32 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JYM1W-45O000-04-9o9.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:01:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JYM1W-45O000-04-9o9; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:57:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JYM1W-45O000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:57:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JYM1W-0002nn-DW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:57:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0A6B819622; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04353-06; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7EA38819704; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:56:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAC8E819622 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04272-03 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A9AC8195F3 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 09:56:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Trace: 22774371/mk-outboundfilter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/temporary-group/85.211.78.221 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.211.78.221 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAOaI00dV007d/2dsb2JhbACpHw X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 85-211-78-221.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk (HELO helvellyn) ([85.211.78.221]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 Mar 2008 13:56:29 +0000 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:50:49 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: speak module Message-ID: <454c617d4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> <3793937c4f.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> <4f7d4f2d8driscos@gotadsl.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f7d4f2d8driscos@gotadsl.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 544 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@stevefryatt.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=nmrA3Rh69iAA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=lYlwcvj8AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Zwo0zUPNXKVHsaUmuCIA:9 a=DMgBB8CyYYg1qcfp5f0A:7 a=4FjKztwQAh7lEBjqfq-uG10mFa0A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1318] On 9 Mar, Richard Ashbery wrote in message <4f7d4f2d8driscos@gotadsl.co.uk>: > In article <3793937c4f.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk>, Frederick Bambrough > wrote: > > > That's a feature of RISC OS 4. You can change where files are saved by > > putting an obey file somewhere (Tasks) containing; > > > Set ADFSFiler$DefaultDir > > What am I doing incorrectly? > > I have an Obey file in ADFS::HardDisc4.$.!Boot.Choices.Boot.Tasks with > the line........... > > Set ADFSFiler$DefaultDir Temporary > > where Temporary is a directory in ADFS::HardDisc4.$ > > whenever I drop a file onto HardDisc4 it always appears in the $ > directory instead of Temporary directory. > > I'm sure I've tried this before and could never get it to work :-( > > OS: RISC OS 5 On RISC OS 5 it looks as if you want to set ADFSFiler$DefaultPath, not $DefaultDir. Otherwise, it seems (from a five second experimentation: I've never actually used the feature) to work the same. So, amend your Obey file to read Set ADFSFiler$DefaultPath Temporary and it should do what you want. Probably. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 10 14:01:33 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JYOD2-0VsVbs-08-G99.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:01:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JYOD2-0VsVbs-08-G99; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:17:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JYOD2-0VsVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:17:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JYOCy-0005SI-MG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:17:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18DAE8194A8; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25073-01; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E1538194C4; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 12:16:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 372A38194E8 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24933-06 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-outboundfilter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7D6081949E for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 12:16:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Trace: 58049735/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/temporary-group/85.211.72.213 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 85.211.72.213 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: riscos@gotadsl.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArcEAFqq00dV00jV/2dsb2JhbACBVqdc X-IP-Direction: IN Received: from 85-211-72-213.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk (HELO Iyonix.home) ([85.211.72.213]) by smtp.f2s.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 09 Mar 2008 16:16:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Ashbery To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:17:22 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: speak module Message-ID: <4f7d6938feriscos@gotadsl.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <454c617d4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <4f7c87328ecolin@mel-dr.co.uk> <3793937c4f.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> <4f7d4f2d8driscos@gotadsl.co.uk> <454c617d4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 545 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: riscos@gotadsl.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=DAYVx2dBwpkA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8PyALtcEmAufSqnLBOwA:9 a=76jFUPply6IHvduq9R0A:7 a=Ldj3hw839TLDLHl0QevuDG-9T0YA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1318] In article <454c617d4f.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 9 Mar, Richard Ashbery wrote in message > <4f7d4f2d8driscos@gotadsl.co.uk>: > > In article <3793937c4f.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk>, Frederick > > Bambrough wrote: [snip] > > I have an Obey file in ADFS::HardDisc4.$.!Boot.Choices.Boot.Tasks > > with the line........... > > > > Set ADFSFiler$DefaultDir Temporary > > > > where Temporary is a directory in ADFS::HardDisc4.$ > > > > whenever I drop a file onto HardDisc4 it always appears in the $ > > directory instead of Temporary directory. > > > > I'm sure I've tried this before and could never get it to work :-( > > > > OS: RISC OS 5 > On RISC OS 5 it looks as if you want to set ADFSFiler$DefaultPath, > not $DefaultDir. Otherwise, it seems (from a five second > experimentation: I've never actually used the feature) to work the > same. So, amend your Obey file to read > Set ADFSFiler$DefaultPath Temporary > and it should do what you want. Probably. Steve - you're a genius. As I said I've aware of this ability of ADFS being able to steer files into given directories when dragged over the hard drive icon but never got it to work before. What superb help RISC OS users rustle up :-)))))))))) Very best regards Richard To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 10 14:30:53 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JYir2-25EGPo-04-CYB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:30:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JYir2-25EGPo-04-CYB; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:19:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JYir2-25EGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:19:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JYir2-00027D-2k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:19:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55CE981A248; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30768-01; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F230F81A216; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:19:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BC8981A00D for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30647-01 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EFFD819FB5 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1JYiqH-0003BP-NX for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:19:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:16:09 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d5869b5dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f7d5869b5dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 546 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Nl2fuqyGiGuO3rzjoRcA:9 a=HSD3Ih5pguEUBr2sgF4A:7 a=9AbM3u8K3w3sU3dYQfXIDuGWdSsA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1318] In message <4f7d5869b5dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >In article <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: >[snippy] > >> Mr P ... if you're planning some code changes to OPW to make it more >> Vista friendly and would like me to test them out, I'll have the Vista >> laptop for another 10 days or so, then I'm selling it on to a colleague >> and moving to a MacBook (thereafter I'll run OPW under Windows XP >> emulation). >My Vista run laptop is not going anywhere. :-( Thanks for the offers, I have a Vista machine, I will investigate. My doubts about changing things were based on how typical Clive's Vista set up was. I have in the past (on RISC OS too) encountered people who write protected areas of disc. There seem to be quite a few Vista users this is the first time I've heard of such problems - although it is typical for more problems to appear as more use is made of a new system. I can sort these things out, it is only a bit of minor tinkering. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 10 14:45:58 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JYj9m-1Agknw-07-CFR.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:45:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JYj9m-1Agknw-07-CFR; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:39:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JYj9m-1Agknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:39:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JYj9m-0005l8-AB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:39:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B78AD81A325; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00524-09; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 633C181A379; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:38:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82D0081A325 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00419-06 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id CE53A81A2E2 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18262 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2008 14:38:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@217.42.166.28 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2008 14:38:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kew5PhMVM1nbOx25kL4xhudHQBlYc30L_qyZs8Diplorfm9KrVt2WFLxANA6_hq4WALRG4Mx3w-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47D547E2.2080205@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:38:26 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d5869b5dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 547 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EmCy7Asr5CcA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=tuPPOP_uTq-44c8O7OMA:9 a=0rKTM87YcDLfoOvRl1kA:7 a=UCPd27yirFydR5zxI5JuZInI418A:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.516 [269.21.6/1318] David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f7d5869b5dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes >> In article <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk>, >> Clive Bonsall wrote: >> [snippy] >> >>> Mr P ... if you're planning some code changes to OPW to make it more >>> Vista friendly and would like me to test them out, I'll have the Vista >>> laptop for another 10 days or so, then I'm selling it on to a colleague >>> and moving to a MacBook (thereafter I'll run OPW under Windows XP >>> emulation). >> My Vista run laptop is not going anywhere. :-( > > > Thanks for the offers, I have a Vista machine, I will investigate. > > My doubts about changing things were based on how typical Clive's Vista > set up was. I have in the past (on RISC OS too) encountered people who > write protected areas of disc. I didn't know about UAC until MW pointed it out. Turning UAC off (and it took me a while to find it) cures the problem. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 12 21:45:46 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JZYbo-29Fknw-04-BwV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:45:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JZYbo-29Fknw-04-BwV; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:35:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JZYbo-29Fknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:35:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JZYbm-0001HU-5g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:35:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C349820FA3; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05335-10; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11C7A820FE7; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:34:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1952B820FA3 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05231-10 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9D5D820F28 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1JZYb1-0001xW-Nh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:34:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:32:57 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d5869b5dave@triffid.co.uk> <47D547E2.2080205@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47D547E2.2080205@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 548 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=iwFiAZq7AAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=SKXsipHWthPSYK36hggA:7 a=xV0fE8DqaPct_HatDeNfc_u_SrsA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.7/1325] In message <47D547E2.2080205@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >I didn't know about UAC until MW pointed it out. Turning UAC off (and >it took me a while to find it) cures the problem. Yes, well done Martin. I found the following web page which summarises the problems encountered with "World of Warcraft" due to writing to the programs folder and UAC. It is interesting if you want to know the technical details or how to get around the problem. http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14650 You probably don't need to get around the problem because I will fix the applets that are going wrong (provisionally - Abbrev, FontList, Contents, Headings, Label). I suspect I have triggered this problem - when Vista came out, Ovation Pro didn't claim to know about UAC, later versions do signal this and they will go wrong. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 13 11:55:58 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JZZZO-4d0knw-08-Ayv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:55:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JZZZO-4d0knw-08-Ayv; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:37:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JZZZO-4d0knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:37:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JZZZN-0004l7-4l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:37:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A51E081E9E5; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13703-01; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41C81820ED5; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:36:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D1D781E9E5 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13500-09 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id B44AA820ED7 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15088 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2008 22:36:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@217.42.166.28 with plain) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2008 22:36:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 7YOz4KIVM1mzP8VVH2oFKSJMo6tSh06gWLYCMW5xCn3DUneo9cwTBl6rHDa9cX1FPkcJtd1Uydfzwem_VgE7KhE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47D85AE3.90406@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:36:19 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d5869b5dave@triffid.co.uk> <47D547E2.2080205@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 549 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QHPjFZVTVUkA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=iwFiAZq7AAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=BJa60DPGQ5dOpPpCdhEA:9 a=2_NM973CZri_e3HxcpoA:7 a=hlDJqwQA6aWL1UZIZJVnvO9ZrIUA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.7/1325] David Pilling wrote: > In message <47D547E2.2080205@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> I didn't know about UAC until MW pointed it out. Turning UAC off (and >> it took me a while to find it) cures the problem. > > Yes, well done Martin. > > I found the following web page which summarises the problems encountered > with "World of Warcraft" due to writing to the programs folder and UAC. > It is interesting if you want to know the technical details or how to > get around the problem. > > http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14650 Thanks. Having read it, I think I'll re-enable UAC. > You probably don't need to get around the problem because I will fix the > applets that are going wrong (provisionally - Abbrev, FontList, > Contents, Headings, Label). Comforting to know. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 13 11:56:06 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JZgnC-2vuknw-08-CHd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:56:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JZgnC-2vuknw-08-CHd; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:19:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JZgnC-2vuknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:19:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JZgnB-0000QE-UF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:19:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E0A981E1B9; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21445-02; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0800281FE7A; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:19:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75DBC81E1B9 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21307-07 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BC3881D013 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (dsl82-163-138-116.as15444.net [82.163.138.116]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m2D6J4W2009151 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:19:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:51:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) Message-ID: <4f7f44c72cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <47D85AE3.90406@ed.ac.uk> References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d5869b5dave@triffid.co.uk> <47D547E2.2080205@ed.ac.uk> <47D85AE3.90406@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 550 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=I_2xibKhFz8A:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=X7-mpIEq-9xUu9vOmwMA:9 a=MV3JoEZv0s5dpLYKosoA:7 a=UCjiVpBj1r3DQgewwO_-DfydZ6cA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.7/1325] In article <47D85AE3.90406@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: [Snippy] > Thanks. Having read it, I think I'll re-enable UAC. Good grief man! One of the first things I did when I got a machine with Vista on it (No choice) was turn UAC of... Consigning it to the "crap" heap of history, It will get re-enabled over my dead body. There'd a lot of stuff in Vista that could do with turning off, unfortunately the user/owner of the 'king machine doesn't get a choice. MS Windows has gone from a GUI that helped to facilitate user interaction with a computer, to one that deliberately hinders that action. Dave S Grumpmaster 8:10 -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 13 18:17:43 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JZrx0-21kknw-03-9eL.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:17:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JZrx0-21kknw-03-9eL; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:14:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JZrx0-21kknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:14:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JZrwz-0007eB-O8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:14:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 066D3820785; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08259-04; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D3D88211BB; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:14:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3624820785 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08180-04 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 988CA8210F8 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (dsl89-213-24-65.as15444.net [89.213.24.65]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m2DIDjOp003546 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:13:46 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:48:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) Message-ID: <4f7f86633cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <47D8DB7F.2030500@ed.ac.uk> References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d5869b5dave@triffid.co.uk> <47D547E2.2080205@ed.ac.uk> <47D85AE3.90406@ed.ac.uk> <4f7f44c72cdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D8DB7F.2030500@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 552 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gJgAElvwClkA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=nBD1nXcNVhqYAse_GF4A:9 a=A_vg52hhcUed-wGD8nAA:7 a=ad_DBAAG8mFR3aAtTiJjmjuRBKIA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.7/1327] In article <47D8DB7F.2030500@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > > In article <47D85AE3.90406@ed.ac.uk>, > > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > [Snippy] > >> Thanks. Having read it, I think I'll re-enable UAC. > > > > > > Good grief man! One of the first things I did when I got a machine with > > Vista on it (No choice) was turn UAC of... Consigning it to the "crap" > > heap of history, It will get re-enabled over my dead body. > Since I'll only have the Vista laptop for another week, my conscience is > clear ;) > The new owner will receive it in the same condition as when I acquired > it ... minus OPW, of course ... and it wouldn't be helpful if it caught > a virus in the meantime. Ah yes of course, I'd forgotten... You did mention that fact in your original posting. Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 13 18:32:43 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JZsDJ-37Rknw-03-9O2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:32:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JZsDJ-37Rknw-03-9O2; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:31:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JZsDJ-37Rknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:31:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JZsDJ-0002Sq-1M for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:31:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71B41820F13; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10515-03; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DB0882103A; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:30:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A46C820F13 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10400-08 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D7F2820DEB for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JZsCe-000HED-HR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:30:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:29:02 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d5869b5dave@triffid.co.uk> <47D547E2.2080205@ed.ac.uk> <47D85AE3.90406@ed.ac.uk> <4f7f44c72cdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D8DB7F.2030500@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47D8DB7F.2030500@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 553 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=-MRk_5nSR-IA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=cOZZbhIF34IgNWotiAcA:7 a=jhGfHY18aZ4wpfHgO0TwfxULN1gA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.7/1327] In message <47D8DB7F.2030500@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >The new owner will receive it in the same condition as when I acquired >it ... So automatic updates off. > and it wouldn't be helpful if it caught a virus in the meantime. So automatic updates on. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 14 18:21:18 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JaAvl-0Blknw-01-GF8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:21:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JaAvl-0Blknw-01-GF8; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:30:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JaAvl-0Blknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:30:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JaAvg-0004MY-Ki for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:30:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E66F78249AF; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27573-05; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D5488249FD; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:29:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D76A48249AF for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27425-06 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.149.64]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F60B8248CB for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.215.37.80] (vpn-080.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.80]) by lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m2EETpet000355 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:29:51 GMT Message-ID: <47DA8BD7.2020007@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:29:43 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d5869b5dave@triffid.co.uk> <47D547E2.2080205@ed.ac.uk> <47D85AE3.90406@ed.ac.uk> <4f7f44c72cdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D8DB7F.2030500@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at lmtp1.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.52, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 129.215.149.64 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 554 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RpKYKWH7NcEA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sADFKReX-XqOWlK9yaMA:9 a=e7JiIIrwxqYE4_eYI5AA:7 a=mMWsv-pe3pL8cIu-pgbKg_4JglMA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.7/1328] David Pilling wrote: > In message <47D8DB7F.2030500@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> The new owner will receive it in the same condition as when I acquired >> it ... > > So automatic updates off. ? ... I thought the default was "on". -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 14 18:36:12 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JaEjy-3vCknw-07-CQv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:36:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JaEjy-3vCknw-07-CQv; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:34:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JaEjy-3vCknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:34:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JaEjx-0003N8-Q0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:34:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53537824664; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30843-01; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA8E1824600; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:34:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EA3D824435 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30685-06 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE00E8241E2 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JaEjB-000A8z-7Q for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:34:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:31:40 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d5869b5dave@triffid.co.uk> <47D547E2.2080205@ed.ac.uk> <47D85AE3.90406@ed.ac.uk> <4f7f44c72cdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D8DB7F.2030500@ed.ac.uk> <47DA8BD7.2020007@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47DA8BD7.2020007@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 555 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6uSRrY-08V4A:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=ru4z3W03r3rp83eNLosA:7 a=pGhKFvB1u6_mvyJiMNwTQRYA3MsA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.7/1328] In message <47DA8BD7.2020007@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >David Pilling wrote: >> In message <47D8DB7F.2030500@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >> writes >>> The new owner will receive it in the same condition as when I >>>acquired it ... >> So automatic updates off. > >? ... I thought the default was "on". I am sure it is "on", I was just jesting that with updates on, you won't be passing it on in the state you received it, on any given day 50% of Windows is updated ;-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 14 19:06:14 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JaEzp-3zK000-08-CB4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:06:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JaEzp-3zK000-08-CB4; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:51:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JaEzp-3zK000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:51:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JaEzk-0004E7-Ip for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:51:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66D48824147; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00674-08; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DDB7824519; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:47:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94046824147 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00579-07 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.dotsterhost.com (mail4.dotsterhost.com [72.5.54.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 8F1CC823FB5 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14139 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2008 18:42:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?129.215.37.69?) (clive@maggimorrison.com@[129.215.37.69]) by 72.5.54.197 with SMTP; 14 Mar 2008 18:42:07 -0000 Message-ID: <47DAC833.30703@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:47:15 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d5869b5dave@triffid.co.uk> <47D547E2.2080205@ed.ac.uk> <47D85AE3.90406@ed.ac.uk> <4f7f44c72cdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D8DB7F.2030500@ed.ac.uk> <47DA8BD7.2020007@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 556 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=xN5wwvLJ0bUA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=ll7wggT_qjXARNf-30UA:9 a=Ja0uXJ1DBpBQShL9VKoA:7 a=CAM4vumDEddBvgT3WgUM6R08LFUA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.7/1328] David Pilling wrote: > In message <47DA8BD7.2020007@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> David Pilling wrote: >>> In message <47D8DB7F.2030500@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >>> writes >>>> The new owner will receive it in the same condition as when I >>>> acquired it ... >>> So automatic updates off. >> >> ? ... I thought the default was "on". > > I am sure it is "on", I was just jesting that with updates on, you won't > be passing it on in the state you received it, on any given day 50% of > Windows is updated ;-) Good point! Clearly, the trauma of trying to get Sky broadband working with Thunderbird has affected my powers of reasoning ;) -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 19 11:41:59 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JbNQE-0K3000-03-9wn.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:41:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JbNQE-0K3000-03-9wn; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:03:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JbNQE-0K3000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:03:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JbNQ1-0006hU-1r for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:03:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37E548267E9; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11767-08; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D465A8268DC; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:59:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E51848267E9 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11384-08 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0466882682D for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (dsl82-163-146-101.as15444.net [82.163.146.101]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m2HLx1ST006356 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:59:02 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:01:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro and PNG Message-ID: <4f81ace5d9dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 557 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XaUrSeDIsO4A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=RMRRCHEqAnXK-pI70WEA:9 a=6E9d2kRSgRm45FR_FE0A:7 a=5cuHW440JMl3WvzWqEJXfDC-XoMA:4 a=T81ihCft0O8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.7/1335] Ovation Pro for RISC OS v6.06 I have a number of PNG files I want to put into frames within an OvPro document, It will not do it. Window pops up with: "Inserted file is of type PNG not text. Are you sure you want to proceed?" Why will it not do what I want? The OvPro TransFSI filter is seen and active. CFSI has been seen by the filer during boot up. As I needed to complete the document this evening, I've had to convert them all to another graphic file type. Bummer! Why? Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 19 11:42:42 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jbjw1-0BkGPo-04-D0Y.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:42:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jbjw1-0BkGPo-04-D0Y; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:05:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jbjw1-0BkGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:05:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jbjvv-0000vA-Um for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:05:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03C97827354; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08583-01; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6466282736C; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:04:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D1F68270EC for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08319-07 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 370FE827002 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (dsl213-218-228-21.as15444.net [213.218.228.21]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m2IM3vIS028188 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:03:59 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:06:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and PNG Message-ID: <4f82312e81dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f81ace5d9dave@triffid.co.uk> References: <4f81ace5d9dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 558 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=R1u6vuelB70A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=WhBsbn_k7hGX-D4r658A:9 a=u4P6wuJrsCnS7MgxYrMA:7 a=nyn_HW97ntAt_BeGGHBLe4aWQC8A:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.7/1335] On 17 Mar, dave@triffid.co.uk wrote: > Ovation Pro for RISC OS v6.06 > I have a number of PNG files I want to put into frames within an OvPro > document, It will not do it. > Window pops up with: > "Inserted file is of type PNG not text. > Are you sure you want to proceed?" > Why will it not do what I want? > The OvPro TransFSI filter is seen and active. > CFSI has been seen by the filer during boot up. > As I needed to complete the document this evening, I've had to convert > them all to another graphic file type. Bummer! > Why? > Dave S Continuing... A copy of OvPro running under VRPC will load a PNG into a frame. However Win OvPro will not, presentinng the same message as above. ? Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 19 12:12:03 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jbx27-1o7knw-01-GxU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:12:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jbx27-1o7knw-01-GxU; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:04:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jbx27-1o7knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:04:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jbx1z-0006Cq-QY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:04:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 459EF8271AD; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16580-07-3; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCE108271A8; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:03:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E371E8271AD for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16447-05 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FEA982748C for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Jbx1E-000Azm-6r for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:03:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:02:17 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and PNG References: <4f81ace5d9dave@triffid.co.uk> <4f82312e81dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f82312e81dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 559 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6uSRrY-08V4A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=FPJ9I1cqJCFaN6TiZH4A:9 a=c1whFzuevt5LHfO8k7AA:7 a=jzRksWfB2xtr5YPTh7IqImW65V0A:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.7/1335] In message <4f82312e81dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >On 17 Mar, dave@triffid.co.uk wrote: >> Ovation Pro for RISC OS v6.06 > >> I have a number of PNG files I want to put into frames within an OvPro >> document, It will not do it. > >> Window pops up with: >> "Inserted file is of type PNG not text. >> Are you sure you want to proceed?" > >> Why will it not do what I want? >> The OvPro TransFSI filter is seen and active. > >> CFSI has been seen by the filer during boot up. > >> As I needed to complete the document this evening, I've had to convert >> them all to another graphic file type. Bummer! > >> Why? >> Dave S > >Continuing... >A copy of OvPro running under VRPC will load a PNG into a frame. >However Win OvPro will not, presentinng the same message as above. The general answer is that to load PNG files you need to have a filter for PNG installed. On Windows that means the filter pack installer has to have been run. There is a registry variable which is set up to point to the appropriate filter. I can tell you the name if you really want to know. On RISC OS, it is a bit more complicated. In that the TransFSI filter can be edited to support different file types and the copy of ChangeFSI it calls might support different file types. I would not have guessed that ChangeFSI supported PNG, but obviously if it works on VRPC later versions of ChangeFSI must do so. There has to be a system variable pointing at the filter for PNG files, F12 *show ffg* will show it. I think it comes down to looking at the !Boot and other config files in TransFSI and checking that they set things up for PNG. Perhaps a quick fix would be to copy !TransFSI from VRPC to your RISC OS computer. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 19 21:24:54 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JbxEy-4BHVbs-05-Gkd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:24:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JbxEy-4BHVbs-05-Gkd; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:17:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JbxEy-4BHVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:17:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JbxEx-0003xk-Gm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:17:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BCF208254BF; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17984-04; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5329582560E; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:17:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E0D28254BF for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17710-08 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93044825479 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (88-134-62-150-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.62.150]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML29c-1JbxEI1nvb-0002Ct; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:17:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and PNG To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:17:32 +0100 Message-ID: <121e7f824f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4f81ace5d9dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f81ace5d9dave@triffid.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/CiSr8LKRoIbxgvc2gYdE4xUJscHDK9HFzH9E DyjF7FQTTRNPrGmhxBBOkJvfMd4hr3pwsBYrxG8kEMQTXsYMrY Q20RW74ghWzdbxyXvN0wNqWm4sEiYxg X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 560 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gqvEra14rpgA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=DVkijUW5XK9TjQCuYpwA:9 a=xViqYcYIEG4dP-qHrWUA:7 a=M17tskaxoVuhFibYQ-0gqVoNDKEA:4 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.7/1335] In message <4f81ace5d9dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes wrote: > Ovation Pro for RISC OS v6.06 > I have a number of PNG files I want to put into frames within an OvPro > document, It will not do it. > Why will it not do what I want? Presumably because you have not told it that you want it (see below). > The OvPro TransFSI filter is seen and active. By default, the TransFSI filter does not handle PNG files. You need to set it up to do so (see !TransFSI.!Setup). The reason is that not all versions of ChangeFSI can handle PNG files, so TransFSI cannot assume that as a default. > As I needed to complete the document this evening, I've had to convert > them all to another graphic file type. Bummer! Which is what the import filter would have done anyway, so you have not really lost anything in the end result. And for each it is only an additional drag to convert it. Both !PngToSpr and !SprToPng can be used to convert PNG files to sprite format. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 19 21:25:11 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jc5Vf-1IZknw-03-H0S.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:25:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jc5Vf-1IZknw-03-H0S; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:07:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jc5Vf-1IZknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:07:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jc5Ve-0003Wb-Mf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:07:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CB8D827A7B; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25457-07; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADF31827A58; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:07:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C550827A7B for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25365-07 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E543D827A4B for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (dsl213-218-226-138.as15444.net [213.218.226.138]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m2JL6ckw017273 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:06:39 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:27:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and PNG Message-ID: <4f82a67102dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4f81ace5d9dave@triffid.co.uk> <4f82312e81dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 561 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=lL00I9Rb3o4A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=L5dra0ALfyYXg01ne-kA:9 a=7lYSoS9yjJ9z03BeGtUA:7 a=Ysg3CRDIxsZS0FpNt5auIpNiqeIA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.7/1335] In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f82312e81dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >On 17 Mar, dave@triffid.co.uk wrote: > >> Ovation Pro for RISC OS v6.06 > > > >> I have a number of PNG files I want to put into frames within an OvPro > >> document, It will not do it. > > > >> Window pops up with: > >> "Inserted file is of type PNG not text. > >> Are you sure you want to proceed?" > > > >> Why will it not do what I want? > >> The OvPro TransFSI filter is seen and active. > > > >> CFSI has been seen by the filer during boot up. > > > >> As I needed to complete the document this evening, I've had to convert > >> them all to another graphic file type. Bummer! > > > >> Why? > >> Dave S > > > >Continuing... > >A copy of OvPro running under VRPC will load a PNG into a frame. > >However Win OvPro will not, presentinng the same message as above. > The general answer is that to load PNG files you need to have a filter > for PNG installed. It is installed. > On Windows that means the filter pack installer has to have been run. > There is a registry variable which is set up to point to the appropriate > filter. I can tell you the name if you really want to know. It was working a short while back. > On RISC OS, it is a bit more complicated. In that the TransFSI filter > can be edited to support different file types and the copy of ChangeFSI > it calls might support different file types. > I would not have guessed that ChangeFSI supported PNG, but obviously if > it works on VRPC later versions of ChangeFSI must do so. Mine is later it came with RO 6.06 > There has to be a system variable pointing at the filter for PNG files, > F12 > *show ffg* > will show it. > I think it comes down to looking at the !Boot and other config files in > TransFSI and checking that they set things up for PNG. > Perhaps a quick fix would be to copy !TransFSI from VRPC to your RISC OS > computer. I've discovered what the problem is... A short while back it worked okay, and that was because I'd added some entries to the !Setup file in TransFSI, one of which was PNG, however since an update to TransFSI (Feb 2008) where the !Setup overwrote my personally crafted !Setup (Steam now issuing from my ears). Having dug out the backup of my installed and used that !Setup to replace the useless one in TransFSI, I'm now back in business on RO. I don't have the Win Pc running ATM, but when I do I'll check. Thanks Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 19 21:39:55 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jc5up-2StGPo-05-GbI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:39:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jc5up-2StGPo-05-GbI; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:33:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jc5up-2StGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:33:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jc5up-0003AF-DZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:33:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1A55827777; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28585-02; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 814F382796D; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:33:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC1D1827777 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28463-06 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B4AF82770C for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Jc5uB-000DBg-HE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:33:03 +0000 Message-ID: <3Ic3rVBmYY4HFwgV@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:31:18 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and PNG References: <4f81ace5d9dave@triffid.co.uk> <4f82312e81dave@triffid.co.uk> <4f82a67102dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f82a67102dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 562 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=-MRk_5nSR-IA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=2WPxXDsaEuqYRFJoKfYA:7 a=7kY-gp7xm_bimTFpGJrN45xHT0gA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.7/1335] In message <4f82a67102dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >since an update to TransFSI (Feb 2008) where the !Setup overwrote my >personally crafted !Setup (Steam now issuing from my ears). Maybe you could publish your !Setup for the greater good. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 20 11:44:45 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JcFcu-4Uo000-05-FPj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:44:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JcFcu-4Uo000-05-FPj; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:55:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JcFcu-4Uo000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:55:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JcFcu-00016Z-6W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:55:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93B6D82787D; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10525-05; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FB798279C2; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:55:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96CAB82787D for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10436-08 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B3DC8278AB for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (dsl82-163-79-50.as15444.net [82.163.79.50]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m2K7sxCg027357 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:55:01 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 06:23:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and PNG Message-ID: <4f82e292b7dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3Ic3rVBmYY4HFwgV@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4f81ace5d9dave@triffid.co.uk> <4f82312e81dave@triffid.co.uk> <4f82a67102dave@triffid.co.uk> <3Ic3rVBmYY4HFwgV@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 563 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=b2e5I0POzSkA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=l7IpkjsyMkRv_eoHirAA:9 a=FyUMbDB8aIYE6QUcQDYA:7 a=1EIyfs0glQI40eQd9roQZF2QFhIA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.7/1336] In article <3Ic3rVBmYY4HFwgV@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f82a67102dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >since an update to TransFSI (Feb 2008) where the !Setup overwrote my > >personally crafted !Setup (Steam now issuing from my ears). > Maybe you could publish your !Setup for the greater good. Hey! You guys are the 'Xperts, I'm just a user/abuser of computers/software, so I know nuffink about anyfink. Probably a greater good would be served if I wasn't the grumpmaster, but there y'go, each has a burden to carry. Dave S My best guess would be this. With so many different RO version/CFSI versions on the go... Test the version of CFSI you have on your machine, by that I mean, take a collection of small graphic files of the sort you mostly use, see if CFSI will accept them. If it will, you can then add that file type to the TransFSI !Setup file, assuming it's not already part of the default set. My only interest is PNG, so I have... ********************* | Sets up types and server variables for TransFSI Set TransFSI$Dir Set TransFSI$Path . Set File$Type_695 GIF Set File$Type_69C BMP Set File$Type_C85 JPEG Set File$Type_FF0 TIFF Set File$Type_B60 PNG <<<<<<<<< Set FFGServer$TransFSI -T &695 &FF9 -T &69C &FF9 -T &C85 &FF9 -T &FF0 &FF9 -R TransFSI$Dir Set FFGServer$TransFSI_2 -T &B60 &FF9 -R TransFSI$Dir <<<<<< (Without the angle bracket) ************************* I also guess I should do as the Help suggest, and make a copy inside TransFSI with a different name, but of course it would be much easier for the lazy (Me included) if an update didn't overwrite existing configs. GD -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 21 13:32:25 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jch8G-0SrGPo-05-DTv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:32:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jch8G-0SrGPo-05-DTv; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:18:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jch8G-0SrGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:18:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jch8A-0007M8-Fd for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:18:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9EB4828D36; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12788-07; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5F6F828D3C; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:27:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5957828CE5 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12662-07 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81CD1828D36 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1JcgLf-0007Hk-P0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:27:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:26:18 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro and PNG References: <4f81ace5d9dave@triffid.co.uk> <4f82312e81dave@triffid.co.uk> <4f82a67102dave@triffid.co.uk> <3Ic3rVBmYY4HFwgV@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4f82e292b7dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f82e292b7dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 564 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=91yagpiN-X2r4ycQFkAA:7 a=lRLxtQVW1SFYnFnqqWnvmZFEFHMA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.8/1337] In message <4f82e292b7dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >> Maybe you could publish your !Setup for the greater good. >Hey! You guys are the 'Xperts, I'm just a user/abuser of Thanks. Look at it as the first steps to a vibrant self help community... It's a pity the "latest ChangeFSI" seems to be such a problem. Yes TransFSI could be upgraded in a better way, avoiding clobbering any user changes. Although second thoughts would probably be to "help" people by updating it to new formats handled by the "latest ChangeFSI"... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 24 12:37:42 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jdllr-3xuknw-07-F2S.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:37:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jdllr-3xuknw-07-F2S; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:27:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jdllr-3xuknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:27:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jdllq-0007cW-Rg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:27:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41DB882A4C1; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23955-01; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DED8D8297C3; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:26:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DB4A82955A for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23857-05 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server3.spellings.net (server3.spellings.net [78.110.163.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53FA4825833 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial-dynamic-62-69-37-174.surfdial.murphx.net ([62.69.37.174] helo=iyonix.cornant) by server3.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jdlkg-0004kw-UF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:26:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:26:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs Message-ID: <4f85131afachris@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: 1Jdlkg-0004kw-UF X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server3.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - highpath.net X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 565 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cAT2fzK-QS0A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=lQkeLoolAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=AuoZn0X9F7b4NlSN4TkA:9 a=rcihfPayj_lwYfcaVhwA:7 a=k9F4r5yA1jsKdBQDSY0KjPK6wMEA:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.8/1340] Hi, I find that SyncDiscs usually aborts mid-syncing and complains that something's locked to prevent changes being made to it. If I re-Start, it'll continue past the point it got to before but stops further on with the same complaint. I have to repeat this sequence several times before the process is complete, meaning I can't leave it to get on with it. (Iyonix, OS 5.13, SyncDiscs 1.10, primy and secy directories are IDE hard-discs, scrap directory and log file are set, 'copy newer' and 'copy extra' unselected, 'overwrite selected.) What's happening? Any suggestions would be most welcome. Chris Bell. -- --------------------------------------------- Chris Bell, Wales, UK chris@highpath.net www.highpath.net --------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 24 13:52:44 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JdmuS-0VoGPo-02-Dtr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:52:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JdmuS-0VoGPo-02-Dtr; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:40:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JdmuS-0VoGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:40:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JdmuS-0007kX-AI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:40:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B133E82A580; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32224-10; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C45182A693; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:39:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 545F682A580 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32076-07 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20D5782A528 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Jdmtl-0003wk-6M for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:39:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:38:04 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs References: <4f85131afachris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <4f85131afachris@highpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 566 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Rk8O1tkGKpcA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=yqQIEt2cT23DZCjabQsA:9 a=0MSvsPryte0c7W6sNUsA:7 a=6OIz3sT3YEqjnmnft1F5AJqDVj4A:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.8/1340] In message <4f85131afachris@highpath.net>, Chris writes >I find that SyncDiscs usually aborts mid-syncing and complains that >something's locked to prevent changes being made to it. If I re-Start, >it'll continue past the point it got to before but stops further on >with the same complaint. I have to repeat this sequence several times >before the process is complete, meaning I can't leave it to get on with >it. > >(Iyonix, OS 5.13, SyncDiscs 1.10, primy and secy directories are IDE >hard-discs, scrap directory and log file are set, 'copy newer' and >'copy extra' unselected, 'overwrite selected.) > >What's happening? Any suggestions would be most welcome. I'd look at the log file to see where things go wrong. I don't recall off hand what can go wrong. How does it cope with locked files...? Personally I hated locked files and I never had any. It is also possible to envisage that with the scrap folder in play unusual situations can arise. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 24 15:07:46 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jdo6Z-2NgVbs-08-Chk.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:07:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jdo6Z-2NgVbs-08-Chk; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:56:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jdo6Z-2NgVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:56:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jdo6V-0003MG-F3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:56:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4730582A4E9; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10079-09; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA54C82A563; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:56:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D75182A4E9 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09957-08 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43DDB82A4B5 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Jdo5m-0005CE-Qe for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:56:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:53:47 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs Message-ID: <159a20854f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4f85131afachris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <4f85131afachris@highpath.net> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Plusnet-Relay: c96771103414cfd32c74619411604fe4 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 567 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=YXtkC2_AhokA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=u3F4LmTMAAAA:8 a=v6Aic-fSAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Lm2BJs2F7Q7bInslTRUA:9 a=lMzfKukGuZnjMXjPJKUA:7 a=prbHqoIvZqS1WzA9I8CERezUvcIA:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.8/1340] In message of 24 Mar, Chris wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I find that SyncDiscs usually aborts mid-syncing and complains that > something's locked to prevent changes being made to it. If I re-Start, > it'll continue past the point it got to before but stops further on > with the same complaint. I have to repeat this sequence several times > before the process is complete, meaning I can't leave it to get on with > it. >=20 > (Iyonix, OS 5.13, SyncDiscs 1.10, primy and secy directories are IDE > hard-discs, scrap directory and log file are set, 'copy newer' and > 'copy extra' unselected, 'overwrite selected.) >=20 > What's happening? Any suggestions would be most welcome. I consistently found that this happened with SyncDiscs on my Iyonix with any Image-system files. The only way to avoid it was to turn off all applications that opened such files. Curiously one that is almost impossible to kill is ShareFS. Anyhow the answer is nigh: go for 7backup from: http://www.7thsoftware.com/software.htm While it is on that site as a command-line application, it now has a graphical user interface. As long as I kill off all comms programs first it runs reliably from beginning to end of 30 Gbyte without any error, taking around 40 minutes each night The problem with Comms programs is that they can change the files between the passes through the disc, though the backup does continue, just reporting an error. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpill= ing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 24 17:52:52 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jdqqc-4NbVbs-06-9xh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:52:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jdqqc-4NbVbs-06-9xh; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:52:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jdqqc-4NbVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:52:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jdqqc-0000Bq-A3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:52:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DAD3782A73E; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07673-01; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83DA682A7DF; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:51:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8565182A7AD for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07524-07 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5036C82A736 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1Jdqpt-0005Mm-Pc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:51:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:50:26 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs References: <4f85131afachris@highpath.net> <159a20854f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <159a20854f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 568 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=u3F4LmTMAAAA:8 a=8kQB0OdkAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=h2H6i6FWPw_46vuC2DYA:9 a=M1-EG7hmq-DCvTnwstEA:7 a=Y01abVFgDpC1DpBfzbhz625uYZ4A:4 a=wl_QvbsadU8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.8/1340] In message <159a20854f.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe writes >I consistently found that this happened with SyncDiscs on my Iyonix with >any Image-system files. Yes, ImageFiles are a good example of the sort of thing that can happen - does one sync the image file or the contents of it. >Anyhow the answer is nigh: go for 7backup from: > http://www.7thsoftware.com/software.htm There is lots of interesting (free) RISC OS software on that site. Another option is DirSync from: http://home.c2i.net/jjvdgeer/riscos/ -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 24 18:07:53 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jdqv1-054knw-08-9tI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:07:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jdqv1-054knw-08-9tI; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:57:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jdqv1-054knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:57:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jdquz-0002ut-Sp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:57:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D591482A8C6; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08213-10; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F85482AA15; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:56:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7407D82A9F3 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08096-07 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server3.spellings.net (server3.spellings.net [78.110.163.177]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EFDC82A9B7 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial-dynamic-62-69-37-190.surfdial.murphx.net ([62.69.37.190] helo=iyonix.cornant) by server3.spellings.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JdqgU-0005u8-M6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:42:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:42:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs Message-ID: <4f85300982chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4f85131afachris@highpath.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/5.13) Content-Type: text/plain X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: 1JdqgU-0005u8-M6 X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server3.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freelists.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - highpath.net X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 569 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@highpath.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=j974v3LVuaUA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=lQkeLoolAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qWsfGJkRaGX-BYZf8gAA:9 a=zelEvO-ZMtw1oJbH1DkA:7 a=YBGwlw8R2fyBP-CfJmO-z8gToQ8A:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.8/1340] David Pilling wrote: > Chris writes > >I find that SyncDiscs usually aborts mid-syncing and complains that > >something's locked to prevent changes being made to it. If I > >re-Start, it'll continue past the point it got to before but stops > >further on with the same complaint. I have to repeat this sequence > >several times before the process is complete, meaning I can't leave > >it to get on with it. > > > >(Iyonix, OS 5.13, SyncDiscs 1.10, primy and secy directories are IDE > >hard-discs, scrap directory and log file are set, 'copy newer' and > >'copy extra' unselected, 'overwrite selected.) > > > >What's happening? Any suggestions would be most welcome. > I'd look at the log file to see where things go wrong. Ah - I see that I had logging 'off' to simplify things. I'll switch it back on next time. > I don't recall off hand what can go wrong. How does it cope with > locked files...? Personally I hated locked files and I never had any. The error report is always about a locked file. I'll see if the Filer 'force' option has any effect. > It is also possible to envisage that with the scrap folder in play > unusual situations can arise. I'll try not using that! I'll report back after my next backup attempt. Thanks, Chris. -- --------------------------------------------- Chris Bell, Wales, UK chris@highpath.net www.highpath.net --------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 24 18:37:53 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JdrNv-1joknw-08-9QO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:37:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JdrNv-1joknw-08-9QO; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:27:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JdrNv-1joknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:27:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JdrNv-0006cU-C5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:27:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAE7182A7FF; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14588-07; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7328082A826; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:26:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72F9A82A7FF for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14447-02 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.87]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A8E682A842 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-37.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) id 1JdrNF-00029v-Ok for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:26:21 +0000 Message-ID: <4OoUqUEwH$5HFw4z@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:24:48 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs References: <4f85131afachris@highpath.net> <4f85300982chris@highpath.net> In-Reply-To: <4f85300982chris@highpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 570 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fRgz2N-6AoMA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=66RfrqgoMcYMo7PUHX8A:7 a=cJIJKNDQVYoBN9tLci3_9907_joA:4 a=IEUhiB9JQM8A:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.8/1340] In message <4f85300982chris@highpath.net>, Chris writes >The error report is always about a locked file. I'll see if the Filer >'force' option has any effect. I suspect that SyncDiscs uses the *copy command and provides its own options - copyoptions (system variable) is about all that is likely to have an effect. One then moves to the (mad) idea of aliasing commands to change what is going on... (no doubt discussed here at some time in the past - there has been a lot of discussion about SyncDiscs in the past). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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(jcbonsall@btinternet.com@217.42.166.28 with plain) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2008 07:45:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0MJdk3UVM1mdamBNOwNEI.QHBDjgMVOum0wDpM3wtd6U6_0.6JwqZD9qFUL4K6mGAhyNRIMjeg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47D8DB7F.2030500@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:45:03 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d5869b5dave@triffid.co.uk> <47D547E2.2080205@ed.ac.uk> <47D85AE3.90406@ed.ac.uk> <4f7f44c72cdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f7f44c72cdave@triffid.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 551 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JPJ0cWhvdYMA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=1pRYUSrAMfmehI1Mv8cA:9 a=geiD3k9868N2vBZXzSMA:7 a=rbSzzFYSjIMzgIfQhl1q1gC7dFcA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.21.7/1325] Dave Symes wrote: > In article <47D85AE3.90406@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: > [Snippy] >> Thanks. Having read it, I think I'll re-enable UAC. > > > Good grief man! One of the first things I did when I got a machine with > Vista on it (No choice) was turn UAC of... Consigning it to the "crap" > heap of history, It will get re-enabled over my dead body. Since I'll only have the Vista laptop for another week, my conscience is clear ;) The new owner will receive it in the same condition as when I acquired it ... minus OPW, of course ... and it wouldn't be helpful if it caught a virus in the meantime. -- C.B. 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( [90.202.220.152]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u7sm543337uge.35.2008.03.29.06.24.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:24:13 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 571 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=R-qcka9OBs0A:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=43gfoLLQNA8TVJKLUGEA:9 a=lTqhAznDGw5HPWCX0SEA:7 a=aXwFgKwOMYCn1NMZekGYqFnTk_YA:4 a=JqzK7hVu6n4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1348] It's a very long time since I've tried this ... I have OP 2.77 (17 February 2008) running under VRPC-AdjustSA on a WinXP machine. The !Impulse applet is installed and activated in !OVNPRO.Applets So, what is the procedure? Open a new OP document, then drag and drop an Impression file into the window? If so, it's not working for me ... all I get is an error message that reads, "Inserted file is of type ImpDoc not Text. Are you sure you want to proceed?" Proceeding generates several lines of spurious characters in the document window. (Dropping an Impression file onto OP on the icon bar does nothing) What am I doing wrong? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 29 17:28:46 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JfegX-2vY000-08-8wU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:28:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JfegX-2vY000-08-8wU; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:17:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JfegX-2vY000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:17:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JfegT-00046e-Iq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:17:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0441183064E; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21403-07; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF79583063E; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:16:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EBE283255B for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21000-05 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ACB1E8323B2 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach (88-134-217-188-dynip.superkabel.de [88.134.217.188]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1Jfefl0xlQ-0003W4; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:16:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.50 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:16:54 +0100 Message-ID: References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.12 (MsgServe/3.42) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/CUAWwROy2411WnFWzzN77gYHdvgLCtaDTxd6 UBzo4tzu9i+wVkWYy3GpJo6VZ/T74M8EfLZzQ476wCvUgU9Cgj xpDImQYVboV1lfyqFESt6MWN2UvVPAw X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 572 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=T9PLPH21Pn8A:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=dsc6pZ_FFUsG1nEmOGEA:9 a=x-zILKP_-tp0CFfZWZEA:7 a=xnBsjL1zN1wuKJrAQn61Jpeh1WcA:4 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=fl4ZfBcLCrEA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1348] In message <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > It's a very long time since I've tried this ... > I have OP 2.77 (17 February 2008) running under VRPC-AdjustSA on a WinXP > machine. The !Impulse applet is installed and activated in !OVNPRO.Applets > [...] > (Dropping an Impression file onto OP on the icon bar does nothing) > What am I doing wrong? You need the !TransImp applet. Then dropping the Impression file onto the OP icon on the icon bar loads it into OP. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 29 17:28:46 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JfenS-2Ca000-05-8pZ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:28:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JfenS-2Ca000-05-8pZ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:24:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JfenS-2Ca000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:24:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JfenS-0002xa-2z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:24:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 623DE831F3D; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22747-04; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D8DF830E13; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:24:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33345831F3D for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22552-09 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3ADF8310D3 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Jfemh-000N7e-Bi for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:24:03 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:22:58 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 573 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_2kmsH3qG0IA:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=SqgjnOc8Nw-M85ReNYQA:9 a=VxG7qS-YOKWzo2v0kWkA:7 a=evNS13SXoN0w-0oZBRuUDNYNxh4A:4 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1348] In message <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >It's a very long time since I've tried this ... > >I have OP 2.77 (17 February 2008) running under VRPC-AdjustSA on a >WinXP machine. The !Impulse applet is installed and activated in >!OVNPRO.Applets > >So, what is the procedure? Open a new OP document, then drag and drop >an Impression file into the window? If so, it's not working for me ... >all I get is an error message that reads, "Inserted file is of type >ImpDoc not Text. Are you sure you want to proceed?" Proceeding >generates several lines of spurious characters in the document window. > >(Dropping an Impression file onto OP on the icon bar does nothing) > >What am I doing wrong? The !TransIMP filter needs to have been "seen", find it and double click it to make sure. Then (ISTR) it is just a matter of dropping the Impression document on the icon bar icon (or on Windows using the File->Open menu). Which reminds me there is a tweek to OP Windows that lets you drop an Impression folder document into an Ovation Window to open it - there being no easy way of selecting a folder to open. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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( [90.202.220.152]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s1sm665577uge.28.2008.03.29.10.38.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47EE7E7E.60002@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:38:06 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> It's a very long time since I've tried this ... > >> I have OP 2.77 (17 February 2008) running under VRPC-AdjustSA on a WinXP >> machine. The !Impulse applet is installed and activated in !OVNPRO.Applets >> [...] >> What am I doing wrong? > > You need the !TransImp applet. Then dropping the Impression file onto > the OP icon on the icon bar loads it into OP. 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Ecartis needs it. // apppost 47EE7FB4:65AB.1:qnivqcvyyvat >From cbonsall@sky.com Sat Mar 29 13:43:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9585832708 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26024-01 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 976898322F3 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id d32so919411pye.22 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.86.19 with SMTP id o19mr8030476pyl.43.1206812596242; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? ( [90.202.220.152]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l33sm673111ugc.67.2008.03.29.10.43.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:43:10 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > In message <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> It's a very long time since I've tried this ... >> >> I have OP 2.77 (17 February 2008) running under VRPC-AdjustSA on a >> WinXP machine. The !Impulse applet is installed and activated in >> !OVNPRO.Applets >> >> So, what is the procedure? Open a new OP document, then drag and drop >> an Impression file into the window? If so, it's not working for me ... >> all I get is an error message that reads, "Inserted file is of type >> ImpDoc not Text. Are you sure you want to proceed?" Proceeding >> generates several lines of spurious characters in the document window. >> What am I doing wrong? > > > The !TransIMP filter needs to have been "seen" ... Thanks. > Which reminds me there is a tweek to OP Windows that lets you drop an > Impression folder document into an Ovation Window to open it - there > being no easy way of selecting a folder to open. Tweek? You mean I have to make some change somewhere, or it's already been made to the latest version ...? If I could drop the Impression files straight into OPW, that would be the best solution. Does it matter if the Impression documents contain AW graphics? -- C.B. // eompost 47EE7FB4:65AB.1:qnivqcvyyvat From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 29 18:13:47 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JffOH-0NGknw-05-GlG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:13:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JffOH-0NGknw-05-GlG; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:02:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JffOH-0NGknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:02:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JffOF-0007kT-7i for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:02:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3E358322FC; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29681-04-2; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5296832221; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:02:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9585832708 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26024-01 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 976898322F3 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id d32so919411pye.22 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.86.19 with SMTP id o19mr8030476pyl.43.1206812596242; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? ( [90.202.220.152]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l33sm673111ugc.67.2008.03.29.10.43.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:43:10 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 574 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=OcJGqB6B5HIA:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GFTLsUnDD0YBC7R41U0A:9 a=8u78IyYnorf8VWukAkcA:7 a=oe8pNJ8FUwImCYn_GTR6pkgii8wA:4 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1348] David Pilling wrote: > In message <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> It's a very long time since I've tried this ... >> >> I have OP 2.77 (17 February 2008) running under VRPC-AdjustSA on a >> WinXP machine. The !Impulse applet is installed and activated in >> !OVNPRO.Applets >> >> So, what is the procedure? Open a new OP document, then drag and drop >> an Impression file into the window? If so, it's not working for me ... >> all I get is an error message that reads, "Inserted file is of type >> ImpDoc not Text. Are you sure you want to proceed?" Proceeding >> generates several lines of spurious characters in the document window. >> What am I doing wrong? > > > The !TransIMP filter needs to have been "seen" ... Thanks. > Which reminds me there is a tweek to OP Windows that lets you drop an > Impression folder document into an Ovation Window to open it - there > being no easy way of selecting a folder to open. Tweek? You mean I have to make some change somewhere, or it's already been made to the latest version ...? If I could drop the Impression files straight into OPW, that would be the best solution. Does it matter if the Impression documents contain AW graphics? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 29 18:43:49 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jffwr-3GVknw-05-GCg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:43:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jffwr-3GVknw-05-GCg; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:38:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jffwr-3GVknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:38:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jffwq-00027x-8Y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:38:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB33E83257E; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05078-02; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53FCB832527; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:37:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A3E883213C for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04829-04 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC317832220 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JffwA-0003X3-F3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:37:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:36:37 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 575 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_ZFMmSwOsckA:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=WLSMZwIWYKnD-L2qOHsA:9 a=1cNgkkgazdGAZOqpYekA:7 a=lZzcxIB1msh3YLPjn593GmY9kLMA:4 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1348] In message <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >> Which reminds me there is a tweek to OP Windows that lets you drop an >>Impression folder document into an Ovation Window to open it - there >>being no easy way of selecting a folder to open. >Tweek? You mean I have to make some change somewhere, or it's already >been made to the latest version ...? I mean I made a change to the program a year or so ago to allow folder documents to be loaded. >If I could drop the Impression files straight into OPW, that would be >the best solution. Well you can load Impression docs into OPW - you can't merge them into an existing document direct, but of course once loaded you can copy/paste chapters between documents > Does it matter if the Impression documents contain AW graphics? Doesn't matter but AW graphics can't be rendered by OPW. BTW you're posting from a non-subscribed email address so all your postings are bouncing to me. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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( [90.202.220.152]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p39sm729202ugd.85.2008.03.29.12.10.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47EE9425.1060603@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:10:29 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 576 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Dz5vo21coJcA:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=8NL3nGKtKiz_fxet8xEA:9 a=wUiayssIVEV7NeF6lLcA:7 a=foep7YNaWEFo-OkYabiNRUVUTMoA:4 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1348] David Pilling wrote: > In message <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >>> Which reminds me there is a tweek to OP Windows that lets you drop an >>> Impression folder document into an Ovation Window to open it ... > > I made a change to the program a year or so ago to allow folder > documents to be loaded. > Well you can load Impression docs into OPW - you can't merge them into > an existing document direct ... > >> Does it matter if the Impression documents contain AW graphics? > > Doesn't matter but AW graphics can't be rendered by OPW I can see that now, thanks. Very useful to be able to drop Impression files into OPW ... AW graphics presumably have to be converted to Draw format, first. > > BTW you're posting from a non-subscribed email address so all your > postings are bouncing to me. Sorry about that. I'm using Thunderbird as an email client and sending via Sky's smtp server ... which requires you to use your Sky email address as a username on an SSL connection. I've now (I hope) subscribed for the sky email address, which should cure the problem. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 30 11:59:40 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JfqjS-2BH000-04-Dwb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:59:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JfqjS-2BH000-04-Dwb; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:09:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JfqjS-2BH000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:09:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JfqjR-0003IG-VY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:09:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67DA183216C; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19130-07; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0762E831DFD; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:08:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F05C83216C for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18924-06 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.57]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD8C98320DB for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:08:48 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkEBAB/L7kd5LBW5/2dsb2JhbAAIqB8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,577,1199626200"; d="scan'208";a="83928499" Received: from ppp121-44-21-185.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.21.185]) by ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 30 Mar 2008 16:38:46 +1030 Message-ID: <47EF2E8B.90307@internode.on.net> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:09:15 +1100 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation software list Subject: [softwarelist] Windows searching Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 577 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=aaYKNHFr2C4A:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=y2ue3ftzXGvvRwEM_uQA:9 a=_DSpruqiLTRPGpW2KF8A:7 a=wHDoZy0VsMT2bTlK0a8VkB_nucsA:4 a=JqzK7hVu6n4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1349] It appears that Vista's searching does not find anything in an Ovation documents or am I missing something or not read the release documents fully? Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 30 11:59:40 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jfqy7-2Oh000-01-Dhw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:59:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jfqy7-2Oh000-01-Dhw; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:24:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jfqy7-2Oh000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:24:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jfqy4-0001CQ-7J for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 06:24:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09C50831735; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21998-09; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A44B8319FC; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:23:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6040C831735 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21798-06 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D1AF831680 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (dsl82-163-45-245.as15444.net [82.163.45.245]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m2U6NhEH015826 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:23:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Ovation software list Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:23:22 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows searching Message-ID: <4f8808e377dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <47EF2E8B.90307@internode.on.net> References: <47EF2E8B.90307@internode.on.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 578 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3ISfzwuHeZQA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=m1fDxbceqSwE_B25rTkA:9 a=9HWrtcKl7QFVX1ebdXAA:7 a=Vu65kIaGu6qcaRTor3iJAnyB0psA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1349] In article <47EF2E8B.90307@internode.on.net>, Peter Prewett wrote: > It appears that Vista's searching does not find anything in an Ovation > documents or am I missing something or not read the release documents > fully? > Peter TBH. Peter, I've not managed to get Vista's search to find anything. Ever in any situation. Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 30 12:44:30 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jfvms-3mo000-02-8tB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:44:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jfvms-3mo000-02-8tB; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:33:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jfvms-3mo000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:33:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jfvmr-0002yW-TG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:33:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7AA3A8321A2; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03231-06; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1258183198A; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:32:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CF6F8321A2 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03077-04-6 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BB9B832313 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Jfvm3-000IbX-55 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:32:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:31:04 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows searching References: <47EF2E8B.90307@internode.on.net> <4f8808e377dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f8808e377dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 579 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Rk8O1tkGKpcA:15 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=IF3dvX-tmRpvifOOtOsA:9 a=UI2Bn8sqACKRIjXayZ0A:7 a=dbw8vTWjEFZF02QjnmzpdJbCem0A:4 a=HJQsOWJ2H28A:10 a=y5iJ91SPJVgA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1349] In message <4f8808e377dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >In article <47EF2E8B.90307@internode.on.net>, > Peter Prewett wrote: >> It appears that Vista's searching does not find anything in an Ovation >> documents or am I missing something or not read the release documents >> fully? >> Peter > >TBH. Peter, I've not managed to get Vista's search to find anything. >Ever in any situation. Back in March 2007 we had the discussion quoted below. I've not tried anything on Vista - you have been warned. The choice in general is install an IFilter or set up searching to look in all files. ====================================================== David Pilling writes... I often try to find an Ovation Pro document by its contents. I might want to find the last letter I wrote to someone so that I can use it as a basis for the next one. On RISC OS I did this using Acorn's Find application - other programs are available. For Windows I didn't have a solution I was happy with. I wondered about using the search facilities built into Windows. It turns out that for these to work on Ovation Pro documents a small piece of software is needed which I have written. I should say that this is an experimental project and I'd like to have a discussion about it. For example installation is a low level affair, because I've not found a better way in the Windows documentation. If (like me) you cry when it becomes apparent Windows needs to be reinstalled what follows might not be for you. The link: www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/extras/IFilter/ifilter.zip Andy Ling responds... > I often try to find an Ovation Pro document by its contents. > > For Windows I didn't have a solution I was happy with. > Now there's a surprise :^) I spent several hours of hair pulling trying to work out why Windows XP search wouldn't find files with a particular content when I knew they existed. You have obviously been, at least partly, down this route, because you have written an OPro search filter. But you can make XP search the contents of all files even if they don't have a filter. Which may give the functionality you want without the risk of having to re-install Windows again!! For those that don't know about this there's more information here :- http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309173 As an aside, I find taking an "ghost" image of my system partition just before doing anything dodgy like this pays dividends :^) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 30 12:44:30 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jfvp0-3vy000-04-8r3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:44:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jfvp0-3vy000-04-8r3; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:35:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jfvp0-3vy000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:35:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jfvow-00069H-0N for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:35:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22B57832430; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03723-01; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDFC383224A; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:34:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5E048320F4 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03545-02 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7434B8319CB for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JfvoA-0004Ww-00 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:34:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:33:30 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d5869b5dave@triffid.co.uk> <47D547E2.2080205@ed.ac.uk> <47D85AE3.90406@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47D85AE3.90406@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 580 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=mOIzrbbs7eEA:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=qInVw--bF8Mu4uUVu3oA:9 a=TaRYR51Gx3InWOUxX-wA:7 a=j-SXB5nZu61PD4lp2MFo1pKozuYA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1349] In message <47D85AE3.90406@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >David Pilling wrote: >> You probably don't need to get around the problem because I will fix >>the applets that are going wrong (provisionally - Abbrev, FontList, >>Contents, Headings, Label). >Comforting to know. I've uploaded a new version of OPW that sorts out the UAC problems with various applets. It is at: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/main.html along with a changes file that explains things. The applets were actually - abbreviations, fontlist and logger. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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( [90.202.220.125]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p39sm1273870ugd.85.2008.03.30.05.44.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 05:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47EF8B43.2010908@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:44:51 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW - Font list, XP vs Vista (32-bit) References: <47D28A34.4040109@ed.ac.uk> <158nnhCWnp0HFwyB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D29FBA.6070006@ed.ac.uk> <47D2A410.9040203@ed.ac.uk> <47D2BA97.2040203@ed.ac.uk> <8dqlOEFMXs0HFwhw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <47D2D5AB.9030403@ed.ac.uk> <47D30ACD.7010606@ed.ac.uk> <47D319C2.9050106@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d331d1fdave@triffid.co.uk> <47D3BC14.1050004@ed.ac.uk> <4f7d5869b5dave@triffid.co.uk> <47D547E2.2080205@ed.ac.uk> <47D85AE3.90406@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 581 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8rqX0WJ-bb4A:15 a=GqgpfnKztbsA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=MHyv46N_fcwVPfQ7nDwA:9 a=_na9rh7TCeF6kp3nagQA:7 a=kfGYKPZN_mIgUPCZeSrIqICXXrAA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1349] David Pilling wrote: > In message <47D85AE3.90406@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> David Pilling wrote: >>> You probably don't need to get around the problem because I will fix >>> the applets that are going wrong (provisionally - Abbrev, FontList, >>> Contents, Headings, Label). >> Comforting to know. > > I've uploaded a new version of OPW that sorts out the UAC problems with > various applets. > > It is at: > > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/main.html > > along with a changes file that explains things. > > The applets were actually - abbreviations, fontlist and logger. Thanks. Much appreciated. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 30 21:44:48 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jg4JY-0ZHknw-05-8t1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:44:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jg4JY-0ZHknw-05-8t1; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:39:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jg4JY-0ZHknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:39:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jg4JX-0007F7-QI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:39:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 423D883249B; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04229-02; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13D818325D0; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:38:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53E3783240A for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04006-02 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 935858323CA for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (dsl82-163-38-233.as15444.net [82.163.38.233]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m2UKcW5c026045 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:38:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:38:41 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP Message-ID: <4f885731a1dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 582 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GWh2T91eeLAA:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=OCN-Hsd4jZBUQUHOJzUA:9 a=WybUI6Z-Xk8eCp5SCIgA:7 a=J3LTfLxwn-SZC--dfWCG39tQQIwA:4 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1349] In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > >> Which reminds me there is a tweek to OP Windows that lets you drop an > >>Impression folder document into an Ovation Window to open it - there > >>being no easy way of selecting a folder to open. > >Tweek? You mean I have to make some change somewhere, or it's already > >been made to the latest version ...? > I mean I made a change to the program a year or so ago to allow folder > documents to be loaded. > >If I could drop the Impression files straight into OPW, that would be > >the best solution. > Well you can load Impression docs into OPW - you can't merge them into > an existing document direct, but of course once loaded you can > copy/paste chapters between documents [Snip] Mr P. I cannot get this to work. I have an Impression publisher doc folder called "!Sample" and nothing I seem to do will load it into WinOvPro version 2.92 5th March 2008 "Can't open input file" is one message. Can you please explain how you think this should work? Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 31 11:55:29 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jg4ck-1Olknw-04-8Zp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:55:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jg4ck-1Olknw-04-8Zp; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:59:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jg4ck-1Olknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:59:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jg4ck-0005kL-BW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:59:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C31AB8326E8; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07433-05; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B0598326E3; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:58:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37CF38325E4 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07272-05 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04C1C8324A2 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Jg4c3-000Oz6-5g for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:58:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:58:33 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> <4f885731a1dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f885731a1dave@triffid.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 583 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Rk8O1tkGKpcA:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=4kKp12NNWYV4bY1ohMUA:9 a=QS9st_mmjNrORM9UvrQA:7 a=QaRum6pLLIdLe4x511BuCXE-F3AA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1350] In message <4f885731a1dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes writes >> I mean I made a change to the program a year or so ago to allow folder >> documents to be loaded. >I cannot get this to work. >I have an Impression publisher doc folder called "!Sample" and nothing I >seem to do will load it into WinOvPro version 2.92 5th March 2008 > >"Can't open input file" is one message. > >Can you please explain how you think this should work? I know this one because someone else asked me a couple of days back. You've missed the "weasel words" in the documentation. The files inside the folder have to have the correct extensions - say there is a draw file, it needs to be named: picture.drw if your file transfer software has mangled it into picture,aff.dat or something, then it won't work. So it needs a very clean set up of file transfer software and Mimemap. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 31 11:55:33 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Jg6IT-01rVbs-04-FQc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:55:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Jg6IT-01rVbs-04-FQc; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:46:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Jg6IT-01rVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:46:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Jg6IT-00059B-DU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:46:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48C778322FD; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27223-01; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39BD0832201; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:46:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60AC4832079 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26978-03 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DE4B8321C4 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so370319uge.37 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.119.15 with SMTP id w15mr1755764ugm.73.1206917159186; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? ( [90.195.52.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p34sm1579274ugc.46.2008.03.30.15.45.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47F0181F.4040708@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:45:51 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> <4f885731a1dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f885731a1dave@triffid.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 584 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=sYt-7Lf9JNAA:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=sm2pB8gbuufED36pc8gA:9 a=prSsizmHfWaUtasUkrYA:7 a=_BivAnyZ0ensSZ1QSEcrYBKPG-YA:4 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1350] Dave Symes wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >> Well you can load Impression docs into OPW - you can't merge them into >> an existing document direct, but of course once loaded you can >> copy/paste chapters between documents > > [Snip] > > Mr P. > I cannot get this to work. > I have an Impression publisher doc folder called "!Sample" and nothing I > seem to do will load it into WinOvPro version 2.92 5th March 2008 > > "Can't open input file" is one message. > > Can you please explain how you think this should work? Doesn't seem to be a problem here. Procedure is as follows: in Windows, open then drag an Impression folder (filename,bc5) and drop into an OPW window. Translation from Impression to OPW format is good, apart from loss of AW graphics and some font mapping problems. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 31 11:55:43 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JgDsh-109knw-04-GMu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:55:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JgDsh-109knw-04-GMu; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:52:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JgDsh-109knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:52:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JgDsh-0002RW-AF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:52:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB291832143; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08808-08; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 433278320A8; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:51:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BADF68320C3 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08620-07 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA4FD8320B0 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (dsl82-163-46-81.as15444.net [82.163.46.81]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m2V6pfXg002893 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:51:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:34:25 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP Message-ID: <4f888dbc67dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <47F0181F.4040708@ed.ac.uk> References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> <4f885731a1dave@triffid.co.uk> <47F0181F.4040708@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 585 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3E087RpYM70A:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=IDgeIB9jyQKXzOBf81YA:9 a=2avOERo_5wh7e6324HsA:7 a=2M4jKBs_OgOOPazEyYblXL_GpeYA:4 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1350] In article <47F0181F.4040708@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > > In article , > > David Pilling wrote: > >> Well you can load Impression docs into OPW - you can't merge them > >> into an existing document direct, but of course once loaded you can > >> copy/paste chapters between documents > > > > [Snip] > > > > Mr P. I cannot get this to work. I have an Impression publisher doc > > folder called "!Sample" and nothing I seem to do will load it into > > WinOvPro version 2.92 5th March 2008 > > > > "Can't open input file" is one message. > > > > Can you please explain how you think this should work? > Doesn't seem to be a problem here. Procedure is as follows: in Windows, > open then drag an Impression folder > (filename,bc5) and drop into an OPW window. Translation from Impression > to OPW format is good, apart from loss of AW graphics and some font > mapping problems. Sorry Clive, but we are talking about completely different things. I'm talking about OPW That is, Ovation Pro for Windows... Not Ov Pro working under VRPC. That's no problem at all as the computers have a LAN and this SARPC uses ShareFS to transfer directly RO to RO into VRPC. I'm talking about taking an Imp doc and putting it in OvPro for Windows. Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 31 11:55:43 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JgDsi-05Aknw-08-GMt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:55:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JgDsi-05Aknw-08-GMt; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:52:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JgDsi-05Aknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:52:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JgDsh-0002kw-Dm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:52:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCF948321E1; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08844-01; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 424C583203A; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:51:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1035E832076 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08637-03-3 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB1A98320B9 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (dsl82-163-46-81.as15444.net [82.163.46.81]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m2V6pfXi002893 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:51:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:51:41 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP Message-ID: <4f888f5116dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> <4f885731a1dave@triffid.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 586 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3E087RpYM70A:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=aVbRqoa1vu8HTrRl1qAA:9 a=PY6tylTs4FjMu7kVmPQA:7 a=UzqYgW-HY_OfyzoEXBmBBsbDtqAA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1350] In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f885731a1dave@triffid.co.uk>, Dave Symes > writes > >> I mean I made a change to the program a year or so ago to allow folder > >> documents to be loaded. > >I cannot get this to work. > >I have an Impression publisher doc folder called "!Sample" and nothing I > >seem to do will load it into WinOvPro version 2.92 5th March 2008 > > > >"Can't open input file" is one message. > > > >Can you please explain how you think this should work? > I know this one because someone else asked me a couple of days back. > You've missed the "weasel words" in the documentation. The files inside > the folder have to have the correct extensions - say there is a draw > file, it needs to be named: > picture.drw > if your file transfer software has mangled it into > picture,aff.dat > or something, then it won't work. > So it needs a very clean set up of file transfer software and Mimemap. Thanks David. That's not going to work realistically, time wise. I have LanmanFS set for NoTypes: Y So all the files end up on the PC side clean. Even if I had the time, I have no idea what the .suffix would be for the !DocData file or the rest of the files withing the !nnnn Directory. Taking this a step furthur. I've put the document back into Impression and re-saved it out as a single file document. That will load into OvPro for Windows. It's important that the now single file Imp doc is named with a .bc5 suffix otherwise it will not load into OvPro for windows. Err: "Document feature level not high enough to use unicode." So folks remember "Name.bc5" Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 31 11:55:43 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JgEdk-2POknw-01-Fbr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:55:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JgEdk-2POknw-01-Fbr; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:41:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JgEdk-2POknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:41:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JgEdk-0006FW-7g for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:41:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2321832635; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15980-01; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2955E832624; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:40:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CE2C832597 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15824-02 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D709B831BEA for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so574385nfv.46 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.150.7 with SMTP id x7mr1979774hud.41.1206949228231; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? ( [90.202.220.135]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s37sm2873814hub.58.2008.03.31.00.40.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47F09566.6020201@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:40:22 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> <4f885731a1dave@triffid.co.uk> <47F0181F.4040708@ed.ac.uk> <4f888dbc67dave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f888dbc67dave@triffid.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 587 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oZsaJNlUfh8A:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=P49HKeXhuuRw5TXqUFMA:9 a=tUly4oI1kU1LLJ8Z7HkA:7 a=KnSWi9KZhcZltuZCG1CJY-oNG34A:4 a=eFmMTfMF8WMA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1350] Dave Symes wrote: > In article <47F0181F.4040708@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: >> Dave Symes wrote: >>> In article , >>> David Pilling wrote: > >>>> Well you can load Impression docs into OPW - you can't merge them >>>> into an existing document direct, but of course once loaded you can >>>> copy/paste chapters between documents >>> [Snip] >>> >>> Mr P. I cannot get this to work. I have an Impression publisher doc >>> folder called "!Sample" and nothing I seem to do will load it into >>> WinOvPro version 2.92 5th March 2008 > >> Doesn't seem to be a problem here. Procedure is as follows: in Windows, >> open then drag an Impression folder >> (filename,bc5) and drop into an OPW window. Translation from Impression >> to OPW format is good, apart from loss of AW graphics and some font >> mapping problems. > > Sorry Clive, but we are talking about completely different things. > > I'm talking about OPW That is, Ovation Pro for Windows... Not Ov Pro > working under VRPC. > > I'm talking about taking an Imp doc and putting it in OvPro for Windows. I, too, am talking about OvPro for Windows (aka OPW). But an Impression file presumably originates from a RiscOS directory ... in my case a RiscOS disk image on my WinPC. I was simply illustrating the procedure I'm using for importing an Impression document into OPW ... note the bc5 extension. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 31 11:55:44 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JgExV-49nknw-04-FI6.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:55:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JgExV-49nknw-04-FI6; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:01:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JgExV-49nknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:01:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JgExU-0001Hd-5I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:01:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A3A9832686; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20292-07; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63EF383264F; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:00:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77692832441 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20130-04 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40A4283242B for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1JgEwg-00038x-S4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:00:46 +0100 Received: from [62.31.119.184] (helo=BRUCEA6) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1JgEwf-0003Ic-Qn for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:00:45 +0100 Message-ID: <007301c89305$7a100950$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> <4f885731a1dave@triffid.co.uk> <47F0181F.4040708@ed.ac.uk> <4f888dbc67dave@triffid.co.uk> <47F09566.6020201@ed.ac.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:01:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 588 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pTnaf8iTvkMA:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=Ch9Gekodi76WjAu050sA:9 a=2rLG45lWidfbgRdXboEA:7 a=iv5m0rYsAGE6H3Wrdc0jm7blrFIA:4 a=955elKCOoL8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1350] Clive Bonsall wrote: > I, too, am talking about OvPro for Windows (aka OPW). But an Impression > file presumably originates from a RiscOS directory ... in my case a > RiscOS disk image on my WinPC. I was simply illustrating the procedure > I'm using for importing an Impression document into OPW ... note the bc5 > extension. Dave was originally describing trying to load an Impression /folder/: >>> Mr P. I cannot get this to work. I have an Impression publisher doc >>> folder called "!Sample" and nothing I seem to do will load it into >>> WinOvPro version 2.92 5th March 2008 You describe an Impression document with a ,bc5 extension. I've just looked out an Impression folder (took a while because it's been ages since I used this format!) and it did indeed fail to load into an OPW window, giving the error message "Error number 1". But Impression /documents/ with an extension of ,bc5 load quite happily into an OPW window here (version 2.92, 15 March 2008). Bruce To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 31 11:55:45 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JgFYT-0zpVbs-08-Eh8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:55:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JgFYT-0zpVbs-08-Eh8; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:39:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JgFYT-0zpVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:39:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JgFYS-0007Dz-Rj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:39:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FB5A832600; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27743-04-5; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F26C8324B9; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:39:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEE6483220E for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27561-02 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 549AE831354 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so589090nfv.46 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.172.5 with SMTP id u5mr19555442hue.10.1206952745564; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? ( [90.202.220.135]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v31sm2885347hub.57.2008.03.31.01.39.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47F0A326.2060109@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:39:02 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> <4f885731a1dave@triffid.co.uk> <47F0181F.4040708@ed.ac.uk> <4f888dbc67dave@triffid.co.uk> <47F09566.6020201@ed.ac.uk> <007301c89305$7a100950$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> In-Reply-To: <007301c89305$7a100950$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 589 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JKaBm-3CV04A:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=GpcIeEqNDg0WdklnXgAA:9 a=GSW5KMRGgtDlcVo7rTIA:7 a=g_XKjXrWRCLykoldB-eyzFRzR8cA:4 a=xfNXT5P86egA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1350] Bruce Goatly wrote: > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> I, too, am talking about OvPro for Windows (aka OPW). But an Impression >> file presumably originates from a RiscOS directory ... in my case a >> RiscOS disk image on my WinPC. I was simply illustrating the procedure >> I'm using for importing an Impression document into OPW ... note the bc5 >> extension. > > Dave was originally describing trying to load an Impression /folder/: > >>>> Mr P. I cannot get this to work. I have an Impression publisher doc >>>> folder called "!Sample" and nothing I seem to do will load it into >>>> WinOvPro version 2.92 5th March 2008 > > You describe an Impression document with a ,bc5 extension. I've just > looked out an Impression folder (took a while because it's been ages > since I used this format!) and it did indeed fail to load into an OPW > window, giving the error message "Error number 1". > > But Impression /documents/ with an extension of ,bc5 load quite happily > into an OPW window here (version 2.92, 15 March 2008). You're quite right ... Dave did refer to an Impression *folder*. However, I'm not sure what the difference is between what you/Dave refer to as a "folder" and what I call a "document" ... ISTR that at some stage CC changed the file format, so that it had the characteristics of a "folder", tho' I may be talking complete pants. FWIW, all my Impression "files" will load into OPW, and some of them are quite complex "documents". -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 31 11:55:46 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JgG3w-0dYGPo-02-EBf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:55:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JgG3w-0dYGPo-02-EBf; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:12:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JgG3w-0dYGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:12:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JgG3s-0002ww-Fq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:12:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCC1B8323BF; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01490-03-8; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BFD8832600; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:11:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAC1E8323BF for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01269-03 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D5F18324D9 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.136] (helo=anti-virus01-07) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1JgG39-0003Tq-RZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:11:31 +0100 Received: from [62.31.119.184] (helo=BRUCEA6) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1JgG31-00083S-T5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:11:23 +0100 Message-ID: <009001c8930f$589680b0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> <4f885731a1dave@triffid.co.uk> <47F0181F.4040708@ed.ac.uk> <4f888dbc67dave@triffid.co.uk> <47F09566.6020201@ed.ac.uk> <007301c89305$7a100950$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <47F0A326.2060109@ed.ac.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:12:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 590 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pTnaf8iTvkMA:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=wttwarXEvLpD2bWFIqsA:9 a=BShbrGWTdWA_M-NXPBQA:7 a=ECG5sjK_4Yubo3fFymelnZnrsX8A:4 a=955elKCOoL8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1350] Clive Bonsall wrote: > You're quite right ... Dave did refer to an Impression *folder*. > However, I'm not sure what the difference is between what you/Dave refer > to as a "folder" and what I call a "document" ... ISTR that at some > stage CC changed the file format, so that it had the characteristics of > a "folder", tho' I may be talking complete pants. FWIW, all my > Impression "files" will load into OPW, and some of them are quite > complex "documents". By 'folder' I meant (and I assume Dave did too) the original file format, consisting of a pseudo-application (which looks like a normal folder under Windows). I suspect we are in violent agreement here... Bruce To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 31 11:55:47 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JgGc6-16fGPo-08-DdV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:55:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JgGc6-16fGPo-08-DdV; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:47:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JgGc6-16fGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:47:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JgGc5-0002EZ-Ae for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:47:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CEAB830E40; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08262-02; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42019830C51; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:46:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C0FA8326E3 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07695-08 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6E308326CD for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so416978uge.37 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.17 with SMTP id d17mr1983986ugm.46.1206956814189; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? ( [90.202.220.135]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i40sm1835870ugf.4.2008.03.31.02.46.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47F0B30A.5000302@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:46:50 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> <4f885731a1dave@triffid.co.uk> <47F0181F.4040708@ed.ac.uk> <4f888dbc67dave@triffid.co.uk> <47F09566.6020201@ed.ac.uk> <007301c89305$7a100950$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <47F0A326.2060109@ed.ac.uk> <009001c8930f$589680b0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> In-Reply-To: <009001c8930f$589680b0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 591 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8YufHrKTs6IA:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=LIhh1rD8Qdy0OklRvPwA:9 a=0UoLNfG-wIBXh1U5Jo0A:7 a=YywyEQK0Csfip4nB2UwtcJuxap8A:4 a=xfNXT5P86egA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1350] Bruce Goatly wrote: > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> You're quite right ... Dave did refer to an Impression *folder*. >> However, I'm not sure what the difference is between what you/Dave refer >> to as a "folder" and what I call a "document" ... > > By 'folder' I meant (and I assume Dave did too) the original file > format, consisting of a pseudo-application (which looks like a normal > folder under Windows). I suspect we are in violent agreement here... Ex oriente lux. But can't you convert them to the "newer" file format before importing into OPW ... assuming, of course, you have an appropriate version of Impression? -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 31 11:55:48 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JgHA7-1hJ000-05-D5U.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:55:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JgHA7-1hJ000-05-D5U; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:22:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JgHA7-1hJ000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:22:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JgHA6-0002Nw-UD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:22:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C44E83185A; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14763-06; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00206831A4F; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:22:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 612CC831AB4 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14598-03 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29D9F83197B for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.143] (helo=anti-virus02-10) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1JgH9Q-0007cn-Gp for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:22:04 +0100 Received: from [62.31.119.184] (helo=BRUCEA6) by asmtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1JgH9Q-00073d-2f for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:22:04 +0100 Message-ID: <00a501c89319$385f3c10$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> <4f885731a1dave@triffid.co.uk> <47F0181F.4040708@ed.ac.uk> <4f888dbc67dave@triffid.co.uk> <47F09566.6020201@ed.ac.uk> <007301c89305$7a100950$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <47F0A326.2060109@ed.ac.uk> <009001c8930f$589680b0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <47F0B30A.5000302@ed.ac.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:23:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 592 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ql9Z38uEHXUA:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=K1WhmJktEAS9XUPfu70A:9 a=RKwAmmg7vJHz5qtDtWoA:7 a=Xzvw9o9PtkPlXcZfOeQW2dg-Vc4A:4 a=955elKCOoL8A:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1350] Clive Bonsall wrote: > Bruce Goatly wrote: >> By 'folder' I meant (and I assume Dave did too) the original file >> format, consisting of a pseudo-application (which looks like a normal >> folder under Windows). I suspect we are in violent agreement here... > > Ex oriente lux. But can't you convert them to the "newer" file format > before importing into OPW ... assuming, of course, you have an > appropriate version of Impression? Indeed. However, I suspect we will inevitably need to cater for a situation in which Impression is no longer available to the user (hence requiring import of the files into OPW). Bruce To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 31 11:55:49 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JgHdT-374000-08-Cc8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:55:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JgHdT-374000-08-Cc8; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:53:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JgHdT-374000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:53:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JgHdS-0005EU-Qn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:53:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 400DD830E66; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20483-04; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C9E8E830DF1; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:52:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CC3D8318C3 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20377-01 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C84F830DF1 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b36so737620ana.101 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.152.19 with SMTP id z19mr14239361and.80.1206960745655; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.2? ( [90.202.220.135]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1874808ugc.25.2008.03.31.03.52.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47F0C265.6080706@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:52:21 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> <4f885731a1dave@triffid.co.uk> <47F0181F.4040708@ed.ac.uk> <4f888dbc67dave@triffid.co.uk> <47F09566.6020201@ed.ac.uk> <007301c89305$7a100950$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <47F0A326.2060109@ed.ac.uk> <009001c8930f$589680b0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <47F0B30A.5000302@ed.ac.uk> <00a501c89319$385f3c10$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> In-Reply-To: <00a501c89319$385f3c10$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Clive Bonsall X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 593 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: cbonsall@sky.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=EH6PTS6ES6EA:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=evfOSsuY7T9ta3eInyoA:9 a=MeybVx9cIoaiaMB1sXEA:7 a=StPSFgfNYBwGeVBXmYJa4OZgKioA:4 a=xfNXT5P86egA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1350] Bruce Goatly wrote: > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> Bruce Goatly wrote: > >>> By 'folder' I meant (and I assume Dave did too) the original file >>> format, consisting of a pseudo-application (which looks like a normal >>> folder under Windows). I suspect we are in violent agreement here... >> >> Ex oriente lux. But can't you convert them to the "newer" file format >> before importing into OPW ... assuming, of course, you have an >> appropriate version of Impression? > > Indeed. However, I suspect we will inevitably need to cater for a > situation in which Impression is no longer available to the user (hence > requiring import of the files into OPW). Hmmm ...? Programmers (even the very obliging Mr P.) can't be expected to provide import filters for every defunct file format -- it simply wouldn't be cost-effective. The alternative, perhaps, is to rely on the goodwill of members of the RiscOS community, as I had to do recently in order to access files on old 5.25" floppies. So, if Dave/anyone has documents in the original Impression file format they would like updating to the newer format, then I'm willing to try to do that for them ... within reason. -- C.B. To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 31 12:25:29 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JgHzg-28vknw-02-CFv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:25:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JgHzg-28vknw-02-CFv; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:16:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JgHzg-28vknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:16:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JgHzb-0003xP-7h for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:16:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A70328325FB; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24166-09; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DC9F8326E3; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:15:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BEF908325FB for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24112-05 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFF6A8325AB for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1JgHyg-0000Pa-Lz for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:15:03 +0000 Message-ID: <$sV1yjBRdM8HFwj1@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:13:21 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> <4f885731a1dave@triffid.co.uk> <47F0181F.4040708@ed.ac.uk> <4f888dbc67dave@triffid.co.uk> <47F09566.6020201@ed.ac.uk> <007301c89305$7a100950$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <47F0A326.2060109@ed.ac.uk> <009001c8930f$589680b0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <47F0B30A.5000302@ed.ac.uk> <00a501c89319$385f3c10$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <47F0C265.6080706@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <47F0C265.6080706@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S () X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 594 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XzNN-llZUjAA:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=GSsPdyyNAAAA:8 a=dqhQn4rJAAAA:8 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=FXkeIdzfFtYlH85r6e0A:9 a=_LTkregwX5oRdEk8OBEA:7 a=7b32cScqxu4CsVWJCPyz4Sg5FyQA:4 a=uVawpVqKyvgA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1350] To summarise... The original Impression documents were RISC OS folders or directories, their names started with a ! so that they could take advantage of the usual RISC OS !Application folder feature that lets a folder have an icon - just like programs or applications. Later on, Impression moved to a single file format. I believe Impression will let you convert between these two formats. If you want to load an Impression single file format document on Windows then it should have extension .imp (or .bc5). In passing, Ovation Pro for Windows has some support for filenames with comma extension e.g. myfile,bc5 but I would try to get filenames in the correct Windows format myfile.bc5 Impression folder documents contain many files. If you want to load such documents on Windows then all the contained files must have the correct extension. Those extensions are the RISC OS filetypes in hex - e.g. !DocData.d87 Doing this by hand would be tedious, but there are smart rename tools available, so all you have to do is set up a script that converts whatever format your file transfer software leaves things on Windows. You could probably even write a Windows .Bat file that would do the job. I suppose I should have got a better grasp on what filenames RISC OS produces on Windows - but to me they always look a complete mess. Handling various file formats is discussed on the OPW CD at: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/filters.html -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 31 20:40:46 2008 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1JgPmF-15rknw-06-Czs.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:40:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1JgPmF-15rknw-06-Czs; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:34:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1JgPmF-15rknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:34:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1JgPm9-0001in-VY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:34:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25EE88322A5; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24041-10; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3D80833C31; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:28:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C26C8333F3 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23822-10 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B60EC83280F for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dave.nom (dsl82-163-124-162.as15444.net [82.163.124.162]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.14.2/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m2VIRcs2012218 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:27:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:04:33 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Impression files into OP Message-ID: <4f88cceb6fdave@triffid.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <009001c8930f$589680b0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> References: <47EE42FD.3030803@ed.ac.uk> <47EE7FAE.4050902@ed.ac.uk> <4f885731a1dave@triffid.co.uk> <47F0181F.4040708@ed.ac.uk> <4f888dbc67dave@triffid.co.uk> <47F09566.6020201@ed.ac.uk> <007301c89305$7a100950$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> <47F0A326.2060109@ed.ac.uk> <009001c8930f$589680b0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 595 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@triffid.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=VVz4oTB6D3cA:15 a=RQ-t4615kmAA:10 a=cwSeiBLpj2MA:10 a=pMdtZHg6hnHVLmAUEJaFkA==:17 a=D_VmOLqjAAAA:8 a=a1SOVVwqvVwUYvj-LEYA:9 a=DEoeh0PVc2IjjDXgeDcA:7 a=Trb_LIRIgGI8-qgpGFWHDCO-5zcA:4 a=5WZzfXpOq_gA:10 X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.5.519 [269.22.1/1350] In article <009001c8930f$589680b0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6>, Bruce Goatly wrote: > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > You're quite right ... Dave did refer to an Impression *folder*. > > However, I'm not sure what the difference is between what you/Dave > > refer to as a "folder" and what I call a "document" ... ISTR that at > > some stage CC changed the file format, so that it had the > > characteristics of a "folder", tho' I may be talking complete pants. > > FWIW, all my Impression "files" will load into OPW, and some of them > > are quite complex "documents". > By 'folder' I meant (and I assume Dave did too) the original file > format, consisting of a pseudo-application (which looks like a normal > folder under Windows). I suspect we are in violent agreement here... > Bruce Yes Bruce, my original quest after reading the discussion was to load an Impression (Pseudo app dir) Document Folder, of the original kind into OvPro as I still have a few of them around the place. In the end it was quicker and cleaner to load that Doc folder into Impression and resave as the more recent single file doc, give it a .bc5 extension, then drop that into OvPro win. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe or subscribe goto: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling