From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 5 13:51:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IdmdM-32V000-02-DeB.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:51:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IdmdM-32V000-02-DeB; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:50:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IdmdM-32V000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:50:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IdmdL-000526-D6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:50:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27A3F791482; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30995-05; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A69177915EE; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:49:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08DF3791482 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30712-09 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7F557913A8 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Idmc7-0005Mx-Jv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:49:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:47:29 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Quercus, PDF problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 59 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Hi, I was interested to read an article by John Cartmell in the latest Quercus (no. 285 page 31 October 2007) where he relates how the magazine is published these days. What surprised me was that generating PDF files is the one thing he can't do on RISC OS. I wonder if anyone knows (this thread is not going to make much sense if JC does not respond) just why that is - in other words what is it about the PDF files from the two available routes (GhostScript and RiScript) that causes problems? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 5 14:31:20 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IdnAj-081knw-01-D6o.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:31:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IdnAj-081knw-01-D6o; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:24:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IdnAj-081knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:24:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IdnAj-0000Fr-6C for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:24:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2988D7916E6; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06630-02; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2B7E79174D; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:24:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9C317916E6 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06493-07 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73C3C7916B4 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Idn9y-000ESA-E0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:24:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:28:13 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems Message-ID: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 60 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 05 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I was interested to read an article by John Cartmell in the latest > Quercus (no. 285 page 31 October 2007) where he relates how the magazine > is published these days. > What surprised me was that generating PDF files is the one thing he > can't do on RISC OS. I can do it. We do produce RiScript pdf files in emergencies - ie where there is a fault indicated by the printers' proofs - but I'm ready to modify (and simplify) the pages under such circumstances. For non-emergencies - and to keep me sane - the pdfs are produced on a foreign platform from PostScript files produced in RISC OS. That way I don't turn into a gibbering wreck when the phone rings the day the printers get their files. > I wonder if anyone knows (this thread is not going to make much sense if > JC does not respond) just why that is - in other words what is it about > the PDF files from the two available routes (GhostScript and RiScript) > that causes problems? That's the problem. I don't know - and didn't get the feedback needed. In the past RISC OS pdfs have got the response from printers "Can't resolve that page". When you have 20 pages with faults, and insufficient feedback, and a deadline - you give up [not straight away but after tearing your hair out, losing much sleep, losing money on trying a different tack, &c]. Rather than trying to solve the problem directly I took a sideways move to ensure that we got the magazine out regularly (which we have now done - using the system described in the article David mentions - for the last 12 months) before raising the problem. I needed to show that we weren't reliant on there being an answer. I'm pretty certain that some of the feedback that we had originally was wrong and that we were (sometimes) producing a valid page in pdf - even where RiScript showed otherwise. I haven't done proper tests with the current version of RiScript and reckon that we need to start from scratch with no preconceptions - though I'd look first at how different fonts were treated. It's not helped that pdfs produced on a Mac - that are happily accepted by the printers - can look an utter mess in RiScript. BTW David Bradforth (who does the PostScript to pdf magic for me) and I hope to be able to give a joint talk on all this at the South East Show. Feedback here and then will be very welcome. -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 5 17:41:29 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Idq79-1FXknw-08-AAO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:41:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Idq79-1FXknw-08-AAO; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:33:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Idq79-1FXknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:33:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Idq76-0004xh-OK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:33:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB4B279153D; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13971-07; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D94A7914F0; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:32:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44E9F79153D for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13808-08 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C779E790F1C for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071005163237.RPGD13.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:32:37 +0100 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.32]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071005163236.FJFD219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:32:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:30:02 GMT Message-ID: <73f61e2d4f.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 61 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: > On 05 Oct, David Pilling wrote: >> Hi, >> I was interested to read an article by John Cartmell in the latest >> Quercus (no. 285 page 31 October 2007) where he relates how the magazine >> is published these days. >> What surprised me was that generating PDF files is the one thing he >> can't do on RISC OS. > I can do it. > We do produce RiScript pdf files in emergencies - ie where there is a fault > indicated by the printers' proofs - but I'm ready to modify (and > simplify) the > pages under such circumstances. > For non-emergencies - and to keep me sane - the pdfs are produced on a > foreign > platform from PostScript files produced in RISC OS. That way I don't > turn into > a gibbering wreck when the phone rings the day the printers get their files. >> I wonder if anyone knows (this thread is not going to make much sense if >> JC does not respond) just why that is - in other words what is it about >> the PDF files from the two available routes (GhostScript and RiScript) >> that causes problems? > That's the problem. I don't know - and didn't get the feedback needed. > In the past RISC OS pdfs have got the response from printers "Can't resolve > that page". When you have 20 pages with faults, and insufficient > feedback, and > a deadline - you give up [not straight away but after tearing your hair out, > losing much sleep, losing money on trying a different tack, &c]. > Rather than trying to solve the problem directly I took a sideways move to > ensure that we got the magazine out regularly (which we have now done - using > the system described in the article David mentions - for the last 12 months) > before raising the problem. I needed to show that we weren't reliant on there > being an answer. > I'm pretty certain that some of the feedback that we had originally was wrong > and that we were (sometimes) producing a valid page in pdf - even where > RiScript showed otherwise. I haven't done proper tests with the current > version of RiScript and reckon that we need to start from scratch with no > preconceptions - though I'd look first at how different fonts were treated. > It's not helped that pdfs produced on a Mac - that are happily > accepted by the > printers - can look an utter mess in RiScript. > BTW David Bradforth (who does the PostScript to pdf magic for me) and I hope > to be able to give a joint talk on all this at the South East Show. Feedback > here and then will be very welcome. I have produced many documents, books, literature with illustrations for the church and for James Cook UH some over 240 pages long. All of them using RISC OS and !Ghostscript. The pdf files burnt onto CDs and sent to the printers. Never a problem. Lay outs fine fonts fine (not many used) jpegs fine. The Hospital have a major document on their intranet. Alan -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 5 19:21:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IdrjT-0DRknw-02-8Y4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:21:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IdrjT-0DRknw-02-8Y4; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:17:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IdrjT-0DRknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:17:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IdrjS-0000Uj-VX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:17:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4EF99791239; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32687-02; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D336A7910F1; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:16:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 149EE791239 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31671-05 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA199790F25 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Idril-0002Gd-Na for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:16:19 +0100 Received: from [62.31.119.184] (helo=BRUCEA6) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Idril-00033I-4n for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:16:19 +0100 Message-ID: <016d01c8077c$053e7ea0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> From: "Bruce Goatly" To: References: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <73f61e2d4f.alan@ntlworld.com> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:17:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 62 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bruce@goatly.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > I have produced many documents, books, literature with illustrations > for the church and for James Cook UH some over 240 pages long. All of > them using RISC OS and !Ghostscript. The pdf files burnt onto CDs and > sent to the printers. Never a problem. Lay outs fine fonts fine (not > many used) jpegs fine. The Hospital have a major document on their > intranet. Obviously I don't know whether these documents included colour, but I do wonder whether some of the problems that John encountered were to do with colour work. Bruce From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 5 19:21:34 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IdrmK-0MOknw-02-H1j.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:21:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IdrmK-0MOknw-02-H1j; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:20:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IdrmK-0MOknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:20:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IdrmF-0004Pj-CI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:20:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3546B791451; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00578-07; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5D8E791349; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:19:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D72B379105C for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32753-08 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DDB7791053 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IdrlU-0007gt-Du for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:19:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:17:34 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems References: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 63 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell writes >That's the problem. I don't know - and didn't get the feedback needed. >In the past RISC OS pdfs have got the response from printers "Can't resolve >that page". Of course there is always the possibility that the specialist software handling your pdfs makes unwarranted assumptions about them - expecting them to originate from a particular Mac program. I suppose trying your pdfs in Adobe software would be the test of if they were correct. I wonder if GhostScript would be any better - it obviously has a much wider userbase than RiScript. I presume experiments are costly. I wasn't making a comment on the use of Macs, I was purely curious about why there was a problem. To put it another way, if you knew what the problem was it might help others, or someone might be able to fix it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 5 19:31:35 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IdrwN-1LA000-06-Grg.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:31:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IdrwN-1LA000-06-Grg; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:30:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IdrwN-1LA000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:30:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IdrwN-0006dD-BK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:30:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F00C0791586; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01931-01; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 716437913A3; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:29:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9083579135A for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01644-05 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 090E7791382 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from br2811.demon.co.uk ([83.105.36.1] helo=[192.168.123.101]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Idrv3-000Bri-DF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:29:01 +0000 Message-ID: <4706827D.4040806@br2811.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:29:17 +0100 From: Brian Hammond User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems References: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <73f61e2d4f.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <73f61e2d4f.alan@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 64 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian@br2811.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain I make pdf files from Ovantion Pro documents using Taborca and attach them to Emails with complete success. This is using a Risc PC with RISCOS 4.02. Brian Hammond Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >In message <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> > John Cartmell wrote: > > > >>On 05 Oct, David Pilling wrote: >> >> >>>Hi, >>> >>> > > > >>>I was interested to read an article by John Cartmell in the latest >>>Quercus (no. 285 page 31 October 2007) where he relates how the magazine >>>is published these days. >>> >>> > > > >>>What surprised me was that generating PDF files is the one thing he >>>can't do on RISC OS. >>> >>> > > > >>I can do it. >>We do produce RiScript pdf files in emergencies - ie where there is a fault >>indicated by the printers' proofs - but I'm ready to modify (and >>simplify) the >>pages under such circumstances. >>For non-emergencies - and to keep me sane - the pdfs are produced on a >>foreign >>platform from PostScript files produced in RISC OS. That way I don't >>turn into >>a gibbering wreck when the phone rings the day the printers get their files. >> >> > > > >>>I wonder if anyone knows (this thread is not going to make much sense if >>>JC does not respond) just why that is - in other words what is it about >>>the PDF files from the two available routes (GhostScript and RiScript) >>>that causes problems? >>> >>> > > > >>That's the problem. I don't know - and didn't get the feedback needed. >>In the past RISC OS pdfs have got the response from printers "Can't resolve >>that page". When you have 20 pages with faults, and insufficient >>feedback, and >>a deadline - you give up [not straight away but after tearing your hair out, >>losing much sleep, losing money on trying a different tack, &c]. >> >> > > > >>Rather than trying to solve the problem directly I took a sideways move to >>ensure that we got the magazine out regularly (which we have now done - using >>the system described in the article David mentions - for the last 12 months) >>before raising the problem. I needed to show that we weren't reliant on there >>being an answer. >> >> > > > >>I'm pretty certain that some of the feedback that we had originally was wrong >>and that we were (sometimes) producing a valid page in pdf - even where >>RiScript showed otherwise. I haven't done proper tests with the current >>version of RiScript and reckon that we need to start from scratch with no >>preconceptions - though I'd look first at how different fonts were treated. >> >> > > > >>It's not helped that pdfs produced on a Mac - that are happily >>accepted by the >>printers - can look an utter mess in RiScript. >> >> > > > >>BTW David Bradforth (who does the PostScript to pdf magic for me) and I hope >>to be able to give a joint talk on all this at the South East Show. Feedback >>here and then will be very welcome. >> >> > >I have produced many documents, books, literature with illustrations >for the church and for James Cook UH some over 240 pages long. All of >them using RISC OS and !Ghostscript. The pdf files burnt onto CDs and >sent to the printers. Never a problem. Lay outs fine fonts fine (not >many used) jpegs fine. The Hospital have a major document on their >intranet. > >Alan > > > From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 5 19:41:35 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Idrz6-0p8knw-01-Gox.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 19:41:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Idrz6-0p8knw-01-Gox; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:33:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Idrz6-0p8knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:33:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Idrz5-00061u-Po for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:33:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 441A77915A6; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02752-05; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C22017915F5; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:32:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A95127915A6 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02477-06 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54EF67913EC for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.52.18] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML2xA-1Idry40Uhy-000264; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:32:08 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:32:03 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <73f61e2d4f.alan@ntlworld.com> <4706827D.4040806@br2811.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4706827D.4040806@br2811.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18YHgxWaLXc7Li0w9a8QG0D3cXPtcZVzDxwyse 8HvWjke5RVEsUm3By7zftRPGPXm3lEiyPGW7O1rs82ACTTsnLk ELpKleElnJLB/Eafe3klChY6Yvdgip6 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 65 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4706827D.4040806@br2811.demon.co.uk> Brian Hammond wrote: > I make pdf files from Ovantion Pro documents using Taborca and attach > them to Emails with complete success. This is using a Risc PC with > RISCOS 4.02. Yes, of course. Nobody claimed that you could not create PDF files using RISC OS. This is about generating PDF files for high volume professional printing, which has its own specific requirements. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 5 20:01:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IdsO4-0ES000-04-GPz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:01:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IdsO4-0ES000-04-GPz; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:59:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IdsO4-0ES000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:59:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IdsO3-0001gT-IG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:59:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 002C4791756; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08042-07; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7900A79173D; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:58:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 567607916E1 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07897-04 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flame.hosts.ndo.com (flame.hosts.ndo.com [195.7.228.19]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 233B17916CB for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [195.7.241.59] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by flame.hosts.ndo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IdsNL-0002j6-Ti for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:58:16 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:58:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 66 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: akalat@kbnet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 5/10/07 7:17 pm, "David Pilling" wrote: > In message <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell > writes >> That's the problem. I don't know - and didn't get the feedback needed. >> In the past RISC OS pdfs have got the response from printers "Can't resolve >> that page". > > Of course there is always the possibility that the specialist software > handling your pdfs makes unwarranted assumptions about them - expecting > them to originate from a particular Mac program. > > I suppose trying your pdfs in Adobe software would be the test of if > they were correct. > > I wonder if GhostScript would be any better - it obviously has a much > wider userbase than RiScript. > > I presume experiments are costly. I wasn't making a comment on the use > of Macs, I was purely curious about why there was a problem. > > To put it another way, if you knew what the problem was it might help > others, or someone might be able to fix it. > An issue I have encountered in the past is that printer's software expected PDF files to be in CMYK as far as colour is concerned. That is now a receding problems as more and more RGB is accepted, though it does mean that you rely on the printer for RGB to CMYK conversion. I don't think the software used by printers assumes anything about the source of the PDF file, but I have found that PDF files which would load and display correctly in Adobe Acrobat on a Mac did not always pass without problems on the printer's set-up. They are using third party software for imposition and separation and the issue has been, apparently, that such software did not implement all possible PDF features. That also seems more a problem in the past. I handle the printing of a magazine originated using Ovation Pro and supplied to me in PDF format. The PDF files seem to work OK with the printer I use, though there are times when I need to work on the PDF files before passing them on. I cannot comment on the use of current versions of GhostScript or RiScript. Mike Williams From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 5 20:11:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IdsZM-39v000-06-GEh.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:11:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IdsZM-39v000-06-GEh; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:10:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IdsZM-39v000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:10:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IdsZK-0000es-Vk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:10:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 263847903ED; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10594-03; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F149790550; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:09:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B91817903ED for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10470-05 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5473C79050F for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071005190940.MTGI1783.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:09:40 +0100 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.32]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071005190939.MWXN17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:09:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:13:10 GMT Message-ID: References: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <73f61e2d4f.alan@ntlworld.com> <016d01c8077c$053e7ea0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> In-Reply-To: <016d01c8077c$053e7ea0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 67 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <016d01c8077c$053e7ea0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> "Bruce Goatly" wrote: > Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >> I have produced many documents, books, literature with illustrations >> for the church and for James Cook UH some over 240 pages long. All of >> them using RISC OS and !Ghostscript. The pdf files burnt onto CDs and >> sent to the printers. Never a problem. Lay outs fine fonts fine (not >> many used) jpegs fine. The Hospital have a major document on their >> intranet. > Obviously I don't know whether these documents included colour, but I do > wonder whether some of the problems that John encountered were to do with > colour work. Oh yes Bruce I use colour text and colour Jpegs Alan -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 5 20:41:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Idsuy-2iFknw-05-Ft5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:41:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Idsuy-2iFknw-05-Ft5; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:33:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Idsuy-2iFknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:33:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Idsuy-0002JS-2M for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:33:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66D9F791546; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15148-04; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC8A37917D8; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:32:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19B117915A9 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14973-08 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D947379149E for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IdsuH-0002Jl-IV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:32:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:31:48 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems Message-ID: <4f2d2a1c3fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <73f61e2d4f.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <73f61e2d4f.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 68 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 05 Oct, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > Lay outs fine fonts fine (not many used) jpegs fine. Without sufficient evidence (yet) the 'not many used' is what I would recommend + once you know they're OK - keep to them. When you're running a series about fonts, with a fresh bunch every issue, that's not advice you can take. ;-( In retrospect I believe I applied a great deal of superstitious behaviour (ie making sure I did things a certain way that probably made no difference) but I do intend to find out just what needs to be done (fonts, graphics, &c) to be sure that the end result of a RISC OS pdf will be right before the printers ring up. -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 5 20:41:38 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Idswk-0Oz000-07-FrJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:41:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Idswk-0Oz000-07-FrJ; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:34:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Idswk-0Oz000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:34:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Idswi-00037a-40 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:34:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CC7D79160D; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15552-03; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29F2C791383; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 15:34:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 497D47917AB for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15332-05 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10039791706 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.dsl.pipex.com (unknown [85.211.237.97]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D205E000524 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:34:05 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:33:35 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Qercus, PDF problems Message-ID: <4f2d2a4616rkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 69 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rkp@par.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > ..... > I wonder if anyone knows (this thread is not going to make much > sense if JC does not respond) just why that is - in other words > what is it about the PDF files from the two available routes > (GhostScript and RiScript) that causes problems? I'm sure we're all familiar with Riscript's little foibles, but these show obviously on screen. I have had a printing firm fail to reproduce a good PDF (checked with Acrobat Reader) on their Mac software because they were failing to read the embedded fonts. So problems are not necessarily caused at our end! If I'm at all worried, I provide 600dpi TIFF files as well as PDF's - but this would be quite a task for a whole magazine. Regards, Richard Partridge. -- Richard Partridge rkp@par.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 5 21:11:39 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IdtTn-44Xknw-05-FKG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:11:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IdtTn-44Xknw-05-FKG; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:08:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IdtTn-44Xknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:08:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IdtTi-0003Rr-6O for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:08:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E3607909AB; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22766-04; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95B4D791178; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:07:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 702967909AB for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22549-09 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F23867905DE for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071005200702.UTRY13.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:07:02 +0100 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.32]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071005200702.BODZ29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:07:02 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:10:31 GMT Message-ID: References: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <73f61e2d4f.alan@ntlworld.com> <4f2d2a1c3fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f2d2a1c3fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 70 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f2d2a1c3fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: > On 05 Oct, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: >> Lay outs fine fonts fine (not many used) jpegs fine. > Without sufficient evidence (yet) the 'not many used' is what I would > recommend + once you know they're OK - keep to them. When you're running a > series about fonts, with a fresh bunch every issue, that's not advice you can > take. ;-( > In retrospect I believe I applied a great deal of superstitious behaviour (ie > making sure I did things a certain way that probably made no > difference) but I > do intend to find out just what needs to be done (fonts, graphics, &c) to be > sure that the end result of a RISC OS pdf will be right before the printers > ring up. I use the main ones from !Ovation library but also have dabbled in a few of the others such as finery and flourish. Have you tried !Ghostscript? What fonts did you have trouble with? Alan -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 5 21:21:40 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IdtbK-2BmGPo-08-FCj.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:21:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IdtbK-2BmGPo-08-FCj; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:16:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IdtbK-2BmGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:16:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IdtbE-0006x4-EY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:16:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9D7D790E6A; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23948-10; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5371F791704; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:15:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09D447915A6 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23696-06 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A4B17910D9 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IdtZq-000Jyo-AF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:15:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:06:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems Message-ID: <4f2d2d4738john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 71 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 05 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell > writes > >That's the problem. I don't know - and didn't get the feedback needed. > >In the past RISC OS pdfs have got the response from printers "Can't resolve > >that page". > Of course there is always the possibility that the specialist software > handling your pdfs makes unwarranted assumptions about them - expecting > them to originate from a particular Mac program. > I suppose trying your pdfs in Adobe software would be the test of if > they were correct. > I wonder if GhostScript would be any better - it obviously has a much > wider userbase than RiScript. > I presume experiments are costly. I wasn't making a comment on the use > of Macs, I was purely curious about why there was a problem. > To put it another way, if you knew what the problem was it might help > others, or someone might be able to fix it. Part of the reason for publishing that article was to get feedback - like this. Martin has said - elsewhere and recently - that the problem is not with producing pdfs but with producing correct PostScript files. I would like to understand how the PostScript files that I produce (in RISC OS) can be (they are) turned into acceptable pdfs on a Mac. I'd like to see a list of do this - and don't do that - that will *guarantee* pdfs that you can, with confidence, hand to any commercial printer knowing that they will work OK. I'm pretty certain that won't be possible (produced on RISC OS or any other platform) because of the changes that those printers will be making with their software - but I'd like to see a way of getting as close to that as possible - and knowing what action to take when problems arise. -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 5 21:21:40 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IdtbT-3OU000-04-FCa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:21:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IdtbT-3OU000-04-FCa; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:16:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IdtbT-3OU000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:16:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IdtbL-0005Zf-RV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:16:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E2957916DF; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24258-02; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFF8D791747; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:15:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 022BC7916DF for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24072-05 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 558A47912CC for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IdtZq-000Jyo-Br for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:15:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 21:09:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems Message-ID: <4f2d2d8b23john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 72 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 05 Oct, Mike Williams wrote: > I don't think the software used by printers assumes anything about the > source of the PDF file, but I have found that PDF files which would load and > display correctly in Adobe Acrobat on a Mac did not always pass without > problems on the printer's set-up. They are using third party software for > imposition and separation and the issue has been, apparently, that such > software did not implement all possible PDF features. That also seems more a > problem in the past. We had that problem recently. Ironically because the printers updated their software and the updated software couldn't cope with files that the old software managed to deal with. -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 5 21:21:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Idtbj-4Prknw-03-FCK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:21:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Idtbj-4Prknw-03-FCK; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:17:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Idtbj-4Prknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:17:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IdtbY-0005hf-D9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:17:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E272679170B; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24303-03; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70F847917D6; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:16:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5C7C79170B for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24038-06 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C679E791669 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IdtZp-000Jyo-B5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:15:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:58:49 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems Message-ID: <4f2d2c959ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <016d01c8077c$053e7ea0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> References: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <73f61e2d4f.alan@ntlworld.com> <016d01c8077c$053e7ea0$8100a8c0@BRUCEA6> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 73 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 05 Oct, Bruce Goatly wrote: > Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > > I have produced many documents, books, literature with illustrations > > for the church and for James Cook UH some over 240 pages long. All of > > them using RISC OS and !Ghostscript. The pdf files burnt onto CDs and > > sent to the printers. Never a problem. Lay outs fine fonts fine (not > > many used) jpegs fine. The Hospital have a major document on their > > intranet. > Obviously I don't know whether these documents included colour, but I do > wonder whether some of the problems that John encountered were to do with > colour work. One of the problems is with feedback. If all you get, concerning a complex page with a number of fonts and mix of graphics from a range of sources, is "I cannot get this page to resolve", then it's difficult to pin down the problem. -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 5 21:41:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Idtq4-2aT000-07-Exz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 21:41:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Idtq4-2aT000-07-Exz; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:32:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Idtq4-2aT000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:32:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Idtq3-0004Pb-Py for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:32:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15C79790EAF; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27180-08; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F7547910F1; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:31:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45BD3790EAF for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27016-01 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.83]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC0A97904F6 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 16:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BAY113-W13 ([65.54.168.113]) by bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:31:16 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e9b8cbb1-7c2a-4bb6-b218-25a055d6910b_" X-Originating-IP: [91.84.54.249] From: Tony Lawn To: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:31:16 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4f2d2a1c3fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <73f61e2d4f.alan@ntlworld.com> <4f2d2a1c3fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2007 20:31:16.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE128960:01C8078E] X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 74 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tonylawn@hotmail.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain --_e9b8cbb1-7c2a-4bb6-b218-25a055d6910b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John - why not go to a printer who uses Ovation on a PC and who has printin= g facilities? =20 We would be happy to give you a quote! =20 Tony Lawn (Pingles Publishing) =20 PS I used RiscPCs in my school for nearly 15 years - what amazing machines.= On my retirement, to run our Christian Printing business, I asked for the = RiscPCs - which I hope to use for maths coaching. In 15 years the 'down tim= e' was less than 5 hours. I have had one power supply go last year. Otherw= ise nothing else has ever gone wrong. The kids loved using them right until= I retired. They were installed by John Ballance of Castle and were worth t= wice what we paid for them! I have recently put together a planner for the = school and used OvatioPro for the calendar part, Word 2007 for the general = information and Acrobat to bring it all together it was really enjoyable us= ing the different programs. We usually use Indesign but it couldn't give me= the repeating frames in the same way as OvationPro! We did use Indesign fo= r mail merging the name on the covers. =20 As you can guess I am a fan of Acorns! =20 Kind regards =20 Tony Lawn (Pingles Publishing - www.pinglespublishing.co.uk) > From: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> To: Date: Fr= i, 5 Oct 2007 20:31:48 +0100> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF prob= lems> > On 05 Oct, Dr Alan Leighton wrote:> >= Lay outs fine fonts fine (not many used) jpegs fine.> > Without sufficient= evidence (yet) the 'not many used' is what I would> recommend + once you k= now they're OK - keep to them. When you're running a> series about fonts, w= ith a fresh bunch every issue, that's not advice you can> take. ;-(> > In r= etrospect I believe I applied a great deal of superstitious behaviour (ie> = making sure I did things a certain way that probably made no difference) bu= t I> do intend to find out just what needs to be done (fonts, graphics, &c)= to be> sure that the end result of a RISC OS pdf will be right before the = printers> ring up.> > -- > John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 o= r 0161 969 9820> Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com>= Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing> > = --_e9b8cbb1-7c2a-4bb6-b218-25a055d6910b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John - why not go to a printer who uses Ovation o= n a PC and who has printing facilities?
 
We would be happy to give you a quote!
 
Tony Lawn (Pingles Publishing)
 
PS I used RiscPCs in my school for nearly 15 years - what amazing machines.= On my retirement, to run our Christian Printing business, I asked for the = RiscPCs - which I hope to use for maths coaching. In 15 years the 'down tim= e' was less than  5 hours. I have had one power supply go last year. O= therwise nothing else has ever gone wrong. The kids loved using them right = until I retired. They were installed by John Ballance of Castle and were wo= rth twice what we paid for them! I have recently put together a planner for= the school and used OvatioPro for the calendar part, Word 2007 for the gen= eral information and Acrobat to bring it all together it was really enjoyab= le using the different programs. We usually use Indesign but it couldn't gi= ve me the repeating frames in the same way as OvationPro! We did use Indesi= gn for mail merging the name on the covers.
 
As you can guess I am a fan of Acorns!
 
Kind regards
 
Tony Lawn (Pingles Publishing - www.pinglespublishing.co.uk)




> From: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk
> To:
> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:31:48 +0100
> Subject: [softwarelis= t] Re: Quercus, PDF problems
>
> On 05 Oct, Dr Alan Leighton &= lt;alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > Lay outs fine fonts = fine (not many used) jpegs fine.
>
> Without sufficient eviden= ce (yet) the 'not many used' is what I would
> recommend + once you k= now they're OK - keep to them. When you're running a
> series about f= onts, with a fresh bunch every issue, that's not advice you can
> tak= e. ;-(
>
> In retrospect I believe I applied a great deal of s= uperstitious behaviour (ie
> making sure I did things a certain way t= hat probably made no difference) but I
> do intend to find out just w= hat needs to be done (fonts, graphics, &c) to be
> sure that the = end result of a RISC OS pdf will be right before the printers
> ring = up.
>
> --
> John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 = 8822 or 0161 969 9820
> Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.f= innybank.com
> Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing
> <= BR>>

= --_e9b8cbb1-7c2a-4bb6-b218-25a055d6910b_-- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 6 21:14:19 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IdvLI-0dqGPo-02-DSl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:14:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IdvLI-0dqGPo-02-DSl; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:08:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IdvLI-0dqGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:08:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IdvLF-0002j5-Uz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:08:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CDED78FD60; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16349-09; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD6447910B2; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:06:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0353E78FD60 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15938-02 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2A077909E6 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IdvJc-0009gN-El for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:06:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:08:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems Message-ID: <4f2d387173john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <73f61e2d4f.alan@ntlworld.com> <4f2d2a1c3fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 75 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 05 Oct, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <4f2d2a1c3fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell > wrote: > > On 05 Oct, Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > >> Lay outs fine fonts fine (not many used) jpegs fine. > > Without sufficient evidence (yet) the 'not many used' is what I would > > recommend + once you know they're OK - keep to them. When you're running > > a series about fonts, with a fresh bunch every issue, that's not advice > > you can take. ;-( > > In retrospect I believe I applied a great deal of superstitious behaviour > > (ie making sure I did things a certain way that probably made no > > difference) but I do intend to find out just what needs to be done > > (fonts, graphics, &c) to be sure that the end result of a RISC OS pdf > > will be right before the printers ring up. > I use the main ones from !Ovation library but also have dabbled in a few > of the others such as finery and flourish. Have you tried !Ghostscript? > What fonts did you have trouble with? Other than ones supplied by Peter Newble I've stuck to EFF fonts and the RISC OS set. Latest minor quibble has been with Homerton. But see what I say about superstitious behaviour. I have no confidence in any of my learning in this area prior to getting the bulk of the pdfs produced off-platform. -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 6 21:14:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IdvpA-1VOGPo-01-Cyt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:14:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IdvpA-1VOGPo-01-Cyt; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:39:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IdvpA-1VOGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:39:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Idvp9-0000Tv-TC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:39:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 547FE790CAA; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22948-09; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3D8278FE52; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:38:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89A14790CAA for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22848-05 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54689786DE5 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IdvoQ-000Cvq-7S for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:38:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:22:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems Message-ID: <4f2d39c632john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <73f61e2d4f.alan@ntlworld.com> <4f2d2a1c3fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 76 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 05 Oct, Tony Lawn wrote: > John - why not go to a printer who uses Ovation on a PC and who has > printing facilities? Because you don't seem to advertise what I need? > We would be happy to give you a quote! If you can produce a 52 page A4 magazine then the only problems are price and distance. The latter *is* a problem as a couple of potential difficulties have been surmounted by our local(ish) printers getting the boxes to us on their own transport when a missed consignment was noticed at 4.30pm. I doubt you'd do that from Suffolk to Manchester! ;-) Of course what you have also missed is your option to get your name and business details on our free listing. If you're RISC OS friendly you really ought to get in touch with me (off this list) to do that. -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 6 21:15:00 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ie3nl-1t2000-07-DWo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:15:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ie3nl-1t2000-07-DWo; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:10:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ie3nl-1t2000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:10:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ie3nl-0006ST-8J for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:10:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9581D790FB0; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 03:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02114-01; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 03:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D108790ED7; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 03:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 03:09:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A855479047F for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 03:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01866-01 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 03:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.teleos-web.de (mx1.teleos-web.de [81.89.254.228]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D81578EA1C for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 03:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dolly.dts-online.net (dolly.dts-online.net [87.245.1.125]) by mx1.teleos-web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D612C63404F for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 09:09:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ucs.de (static-87-245-56-25.teleos-web.de [87.245.56.25]) by dolly.dts-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19D19A2C1D for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 09:09:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from martinv by ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 3.01beta5) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 06 Oct 2007 09:09:27 +0200 Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 09:09:26 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems Message-ID: <30fb692d4f.martinv@ucs.de> References: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (RemoteNB/3.01beta5) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 77 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> John Cartmell wrote: > On 05 Oct, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > and that we were (sometimes) producing a valid page in pdf - even where > RiScript showed otherwise. I haven't done proper tests with the current > version of RiScript and reckon that we need to start from scratch with no > preconceptions - though I'd look first at how different fonts were treated. > There are RISC OS fonts which behave normally on screen and with non-PS printers but produce broken PS when embedded. I first reported this at length to Acorn in June '97 but to no avail. BTW two of them were created using Draw2Font. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen Inhaber: Kai Uffenkamp USt.-ID-Nr. DE 125 408 721 email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 6 21:15:01 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ie41a-1M1knw-06-DIz.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:15:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ie41a-1M1knw-06-DIz; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:24:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ie41a-1M1knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:24:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ie41a-00032j-7E for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:24:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A02B4791273; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 03:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04696-06-6; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 03:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31B4E7912A0; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 03:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 03:23:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A248D79047F for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 03:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04590-02 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 03:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EE0078F4F6 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 03:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Ie40t-0001ZK-BG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:23:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:01:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems Message-ID: <4f2d3d50a0charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f2d39c632john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <73f61e2d4f.alan@ntlworld.com> <4f2d2a1c3fjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4f2d39c632john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 78 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4f2d39c632john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > On 05 Oct, Tony Lawn wrote: > > John - why not go to a printer who uses Ovation on a PC and who has > > printing facilities? > Because you don't seem to advertise what I need? > > We would be happy to give you a quote! > If you can produce a 52 page A4 magazine then the only problems are price > and distance. The latter *is* a problem as a couple of potential > difficulties have been surmounted by our local(ish) printers getting the > boxes to us on their own transport when a missed consignment was noticed > at 4.30pm. I doubt you'd do that from Suffolk to Manchester! ;-) A few years ago, something went wrong with an OvPro document I had sent to MicroLaser. I was discussing the problem at 7pm. By 11am next morning the finished theatre programme was delivered to the theatre in Guildford. - It can be done. -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 6 21:15:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ie6iJ-2RFknw-07-AcG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:15:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ie6iJ-2RFknw-07-AcG; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:16:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ie6iJ-2RFknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:16:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ie6iI-0001Ne-57 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:16:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B7A57911A0; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 06:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02032-01; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 06:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A607F7910D6; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 06:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 06:16:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 648BD790E28 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 06:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01816-02 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 06:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flame.hosts.ndo.com (flame.hosts.ndo.com [195.7.228.19]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EFF6790D82 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 06:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [195.7.241.59] (helo=[192.168.2.2]) by flame.hosts.ndo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ie6hb-0001Yl-FV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:16:07 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:16:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4f2d2d4738john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 79 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: akalat@kbnet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 5/10/07 9:06 pm, "John Cartmell" wrote: > On 05 Oct, David Pilling wrote: >> In message <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell >> writes >>> That's the problem. I don't know - and didn't get the feedback needed. >>> In the past RISC OS pdfs have got the response from printers "Can't resolve >>> that page". > >> Of course there is always the possibility that the specialist software >> handling your pdfs makes unwarranted assumptions about them - expecting >> them to originate from a particular Mac program. > >> I suppose trying your pdfs in Adobe software would be the test of if >> they were correct. > >> I wonder if GhostScript would be any better - it obviously has a much >> wider userbase than RiScript. > >> I presume experiments are costly. I wasn't making a comment on the use >> of Macs, I was purely curious about why there was a problem. > >> To put it another way, if you knew what the problem was it might help >> others, or someone might be able to fix it. > > Part of the reason for publishing that article was to get feedback - like > this. Martin has said - elsewhere and recently - that the problem is not with > producing pdfs but with producing correct PostScript files. I would like to > understand how the PostScript files that I produce (in RISC OS) can be (they > are) turned into acceptable pdfs on a Mac. > > I'd like to see a list of do this - and don't do that - that will *guarantee* > pdfs that you can, with confidence, hand to any commercial printer knowing > that they will work OK. I'm pretty certain that won't be possible (produced on > RISC OS or any other platform) because of the changes that those printers will > be making with their software - but I'd like to see a way of getting as close > to that as possible - and knowing what action to take when problems arise. Anyone who has access to a Mac as well as RISC OS should have no problems. Generate PostScript under RISC OS ensuring that ALL fonts are embedded. Transfer to Mac and run through Distiller using 'Press' settings to generate PDF. The only issues I had were with bitmapped images. Because of the peculiar way in which Acorn handles greyscale images they can appear in the PDF file with visible artefacts in the form of small rectangles. This is, apparently, because PostScript works with floating point arithmetic and PDF works with fixed point arithmetic resulting in occasional small rounding errors in conversion from PostScript to PDF. The other issue I had was in trying to provide CMYK format colour images. This may not be so much of a problem now that more and more printers' software will itself handle RGB to CMYK conversion. In both cases the reliable workaround was to transfer each image as a TIFF file to the Mac, load into Photoshop and resave as a Photoshop EPS file (converting to CMYK or any other format on the way). The EPS can then be transferred back to RISC OS and imported into the original (Ovation Pro or Impression Plus) document with the same image position and scaling as before. If, when saving the EPS file on the Mac, you select a TIFF preview then this will be visible in the Ovation Pro frame just like the original image. I never had any problems with this approach when handling work originated under RISC OS which needed printing. I had already started to adopt this approach when John Cartmel took over Acorn Publisher as it then was. Mike Williams From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 6 21:15:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ie8vr-1nlGPo-06-GvE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:15:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ie8vr-1nlGPo-06-GvE; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:38:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ie8vr-1nlGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:38:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ie8vq-0002Bv-Rx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:38:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56535791351; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30096-09; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF69478FE26; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 06 Oct 2007 08:38:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D1A6791351 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29974-09 for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E361179134B for ; Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Ie8vA-000PPj-IK for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:38:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:01:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems Message-ID: <4f2d7f3141john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4f2d2d4738john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 80 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain On 06 Oct, Mike Williams wrote: > On 5/10/07 9:06 pm, "John Cartmell" wrote: > > On 05 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > >> In message <4f2d08d299john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell > >> writes > >>> That's the problem. I don't know - and didn't get the feedback needed. > >>> In the past RISC OS pdfs have got the response from printers "Can't > >>> resolve that page". > > > >> Of course there is always the possibility that the specialist software > >> handling your pdfs makes unwarranted assumptions about them - expecting > >> them to originate from a particular Mac program. > > > >> I suppose trying your pdfs in Adobe software would be the test of if > >> they were correct. > > > >> I wonder if GhostScript would be any better - it obviously has a much > >> wider userbase than RiScript. > > > >> I presume experiments are costly. I wasn't making a comment on the use > >> of Macs, I was purely curious about why there was a problem. > > > >> To put it another way, if you knew what the problem was it might help > >> others, or someone might be able to fix it. > > > > Part of the reason for publishing that article was to get feedback - like > > this. Martin has said - elsewhere and recently - that the problem is not > > with producing pdfs but with producing correct PostScript files. I would > > like to understand how the PostScript files that I produce (in RISC OS) > > can be (they are) turned into acceptable pdfs on a Mac. > > > > I'd like to see a list of do this - and don't do that - that will > > *guarantee* pdfs that you can, with confidence, hand to any commercial > > printer knowing that they will work OK. I'm pretty certain that won't be > > possible (produced on RISC OS or any other platform) because of the > > changes that those printers will be making with their software - but I'd > > like to see a way of getting as close to that as possible - and knowing > > what action to take when problems arise. > Anyone who has access to a Mac as well as RISC OS should have no problems. Acknowledged. The problem is in identifying for certain what will cause problems when RISC OS is used to produce the final pdfs. Many pages work OK. If you can identify the problems in advance then: 1. You may be able to avoid producing such pages; 2. you could divert just (say) 3 or 4 pages for processing externally; 3. know what to ask the developers to do to put it right. [Snip] -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 7 12:33:28 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IeUFs-1t5knw-08-CeF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:33:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IeUFs-1t5knw-08-CeF; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:25:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IeUFs-1t5knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:25:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IeUEg-00043u-9O for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:23:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4177B791182; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 07:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22260-03; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 07:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B8B46791447; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 07:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 07:23:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BEDF791182 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 07:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21914-02 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 07:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3424D79131B for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 07:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (81-178-239-93.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.239.93]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53995E000268 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 12:23:03 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4708C194.2010105@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:23:00 +0100 From: Christopher Bryant User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] PDF problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 81 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: christopher.bryant@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Re the recent discussion of making pdfs, I wonder if one of you Photoshop experts can help me with a colour problem, please. I use Acrobat (in MS WXP) for creating a pdf from postscript. What I need (I think) is a Colour Management File for use with an Acrobat JobOption, which has the effect of converting two particular rgb or cmyk values into two Pantone colours, either as e.g. 128C, 282C, or as a combination of fractions of named colours. This is for printing a two-colour mag cover, and the colours are not OvPro chart colours, nor simple cmyk either. Up to now the conversion has been done invisibly by our printers, but we now have a new foreign printer... The not very helpful Acrobat help file on colours says colour management files have to be made and saved in Photoshop or Illustrator, and that's about all it says. I can't afford to buy either just for this purpose. Can anything useful be said about the format of these files, or can anyone provide a specimen, if I may put it like that? Christopher From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 7 14:03:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IeVdc-2DVVbs-07-BGV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:03:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IeVdc-2DVVbs-07-BGV; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:53:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IeVdc-2DVVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:53:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IeVdb-0006or-RN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:53:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44BC2791712; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 08:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21611-01; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 08:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1457791632; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 08:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 07 Oct 2007 08:52:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E8157915AB for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 08:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21421-03 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 08:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECA06791472 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2007 08:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 182.115.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.115.182] helo=Iyo) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IeVcv-0001an-63 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:52:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:55:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF problem Message-ID: <4f2e0d764dgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4708C194.2010105@dsl.pipex.com> References: <4708C194.2010105@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.91.2/4492/Sun Oct 7 12:44:21 2007, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 82 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <4708C194.2010105@dsl.pipex.com>, Christopher Bryant wrote: > Re the recent discussion of making pdfs, I wonder if one of you > Photoshop experts can help me with a colour problem, please. I use > Acrobat (in MS WXP) for creating a pdf from postscript. What I need (I > think) is a Colour Management File for use with an Acrobat JobOption, > which has the effect of converting two particular rgb or cmyk values > into two Pantone colours, either as e.g. 128C, 282C, or as a > combination of fractions of named colours. This is for printing a > two-colour mag cover, and the colours are not OvPro chart colours, nor > simple cmyk either. Up to now the conversion has been done invisibly by > our printers, but we now have a new foreign printer... The not very > helpful Acrobat help file on colours says colour management files have > to be made and saved in Photoshop or Illustrator, and that's about all > it says. I can't afford to buy either just for this purpose. Can > anything useful be said about the format of these files, or can anyone > provide a specimen, if I may put it like that? If it's actually being printed on the press using just two pantone inks (128 and 282) then the colours in your document/PDF must be set as being Spot colours. Separations will have to be used from the PDF to send the required spot colour breakdown to the imaging device (such as an imagesetter or platesetter). If you specify the colours as CMYK then they will be separated across the CMYK plates, but as you have said it is being printed in two Pantone colours then no cyan, magenta, yellow or black plates will be used. If you specify the colours as RGB then they will usually be converted to CYMK first, then the above will apply. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 8 11:48:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iepyp-2vE000-07-GUq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:48:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iepyp-2vE000-07-GUq; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:36:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iepyp-2vE000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:36:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iepyk-00005m-JD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:36:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 251DB791A47; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32412-01; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BA45791294; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:36:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 07B4F790D54 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32176-02 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EA2179049C for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (81-178-254-73.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.254.73]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DECE000512 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:35:44 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <470A07FF.2060609@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:35:43 +0100 From: Christopher Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF problem References: <4708C194.2010105@dsl.pipex.com> <4f2e0d764dgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f2e0d764dgav@crawford-print.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 83 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: christopher.bryant@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Gavin Crawford wrote: > If it's actually being printed on the press using just two pantone inks > (128 and 282) then the colours in your document/PDF must be set as being > Spot colours. Separations will have to be used from the PDF to send the > required spot colour breakdown to the imaging device (such as an > imagesetter or platesetter). Thanks for the reply, but I fear this is not to the point. There is no problem about the separation; this has worked OK for several years. What the overseas printers want (I think) is for the pdf to name the two colours correctly, rather than offering dummy cmyk values (actually pure y and c). What they seem worried about, although they have got it right the four times so far, is that instead of putting on the machine the right colours 128C and 282C - not 128, 282 - some dozy or unsupervised employee may one day use pure yellow and cyan as apparently specified. (Perhaps this has already happened, and had to be suppressed?) They have told me the names of the colours, and hopefully sent me an Acrobat JobOption file to use with Distiller, but this was a dud as well as having no CMF with it. So I think what I need is a working Colour Management File. Yours Christopher From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 8 12:07:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IeqOP-328Vbs-01-G5G.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:07:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IeqOP-328Vbs-01-G5G; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:03:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IeqOP-328Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:03:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IeqO2-0004r6-Kp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:02:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0636D791BD0; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04117-06; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79A4C791E87; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:01:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77AD4791BD0 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03974-03 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05556791F3B for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IeqMo-000Nl8-6d for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:01:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:00:02 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF problem References: <4708C194.2010105@dsl.pipex.com> <4f2e0d764dgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <470A07FF.2060609@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <470A07FF.2060609@dsl.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 84 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <470A07FF.2060609@dsl.pipex.com>, Christopher Bryant writes >having no CMF with it. So I think what I need is a working Colour >Management File. There's not much info available on Google. I wondered what the file extension is. I gather .csf - quoted below is a chunk of stuff I found. ======================================================== 'It's necessary to specify the same color management settings for the workspaces and conversion options to keep color consistent when moving documents between Photoshop and other Adobe applications that support color management. The Color Settings dialog box represents the common color management controls shared by Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, and Adobe InDesign. In Adobe Acrobat, the color management controls are found in the Preferences. Synchronizing the color settings helps to ensure that color is reproduced consistently between Adobe applications that support color management. To share custom color settings between applications, be sure to save your settings (in a .csf file). You can load the settings file in the desired application instead of copying all the settings manually. (See Saving and loading color management settings. below) Note: If you modify and save over the current Color Settings.csf file in any application other than Photoshop, you may be prompted to synchronize the common color settings upon starting Photoshop or upon reopening the Color Settings dialog box in Photoshop. You can go through the following procedure to re-synchronize the color settings between Photoshop and other Adobe applications.' Saving and loading color management settings When you create a custom color management configuration, you should name and save the configuration to ensure that it can be shared with other users and applications that support color management, such as Adobe Illustrator, Adobe InDesign, and Adobe Acrobat. You can also load previously saved color management configurations into the Color Settings dialog box. To save a custom color management configuration: In the Color Settings dialog box, click Save. Name your color settings file, and click Save. To ensure that the saved configuration appears in the Settings menu of the Color Settings dialog box, save the file in one of the following recommended locations: (Windows) Program Files/Common Files/ Adobe/Color/Settings. (Mac OS) Users/user profile/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Color/Settings. To ensure that all color-managed Adobe applications can take advantage of saved color setting files, you may want to save them to the system application support folder. Library/Application Support/Adobe/Color/Settings. Enter any comments that you want to associate with the configuration, and click OK. The comments that you enter will appear in the Description area of the Color Settings dialog box when the pointer is positioned over the configuration in the Settings menu. To load a color management configuration: In the Color Settings dialog box, click Load. Locate and select the desired color settings file, and click Load. When you load a custom color settings file, it appears as the active choice in the Settings menu of the Color Settings dialog box. If you load a settings file that has been saved outside the recommended location, it temporarily replaces the Other option in the Settings menu until another settings file is loaded. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 8 14:17:37 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IesRh-2uC000-01-E1y.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:17:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IesRh-2uC000-01-E1y; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 13:14:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IesRh-2uC000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 13:14:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IesRe-0005qg-6c for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 13:14:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12CB2791665; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29557-05; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D46E791E79; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:14:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 490D0791665 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29273-03 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EBF797914D6 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 182.115.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.115.182] helo=Iyo) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IesQt-0002Me-Hi for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:14:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:15:41 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PDF problem Message-ID: <4f2e932ef6gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <470A07FF.2060609@dsl.pipex.com> References: <4708C194.2010105@dsl.pipex.com> <4f2e0d764dgav@crawford-print.co.uk> <470A07FF.2060609@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.13) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (Version: ClamAV 0.91.2/4502/Mon Oct 8 02:52:34 2007, by smtp.aaisp.net.uk) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 85 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <470A07FF.2060609@dsl.pipex.com>, Christopher Bryant wrote: > Gavin Crawford wrote: > > If it's actually being printed on the press using just two pantone > > inks (128 and 282) then the colours in your document/PDF must be set > > as being Spot colours. Separations will have to be used from the PDF > > to send the required spot colour breakdown to the imaging device > > (such as an imagesetter or platesetter). > Thanks for the reply, but I fear this is not to the point. There > is no problem about the separation; this has worked OK for several > years. What the overseas printers want (I think) is for the pdf to > name the two colours correctly, rather than offering dummy cmyk values > (actually pure y and c). Do you mean that for the colours you have used the CMYK values of 100/0/0/0 to represent Pantone 282 and 0/0/100/0 to represent the Pantone 128? If so, then it sounds to me that you are supplying a CMYK document and they are using just the Cyan and Yellow plate separations to form the spot colour plates. > What they seem worried about, although they > have got it right the four times so far, is that instead of putting on > the machine the right colours 128C and 282C - not 128, 282 - some dozy > or unsupervised employee may one day use pure yellow and cyan as > apparently specified. (Perhaps this has already happened, and had to > be suppressed?) 128 is 128C - the 'C' designation denotes that on the printed Pantone colour swatch the ink is printed on coated (gloss) paper. The swatch will also have 'U' equivalents that denote un-coated stock. The ink is the same just printed onto different types of stock. When they mix (or order) the ink they will get Pantone 128. I can see that they would need to clearly tell which plate should be printed using the which ink. If the plates have been produced using the yellow and cyan separations, then yes, there is a possibility a mistake could be made when it comes to running on the press. > They have told me the names of the colours, and hopefully sent me > an Acrobat JobOption file to use with Distiller, but this was a dud as > well as having no CMF with it. So I think what I need is a working > Colour Management File. As the original document hasn't been authored in an Adobe application, I'm not sure distiller would recognise the colour names defined in the PostScript generated by Ovation Pro. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 8 17:17:46 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IevFM-11vGPo-03-BEJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:17:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IevFM-11vGPo-03-BEJ; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:14:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IevFM-11vGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:14:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IevFL-0006bD-Vo for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:14:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37D5D7924AB; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06388-04-10; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E62D7924D6; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:13:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC5417922CC for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06165-07 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 960FB792009 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([83.104.180.237] helo=Jeremy.edencroft2.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IevEc-000Cma-I4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:13:34 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:05:13 +0100 Message-ID: <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 86 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message Mike Williams wrote: > Anyone who has access to a Mac as well as RISC OS should have no problems. > Generate PostScript under RISC OS ensuring that ALL fonts are embedded. > Transfer to Mac and run through Distiller using 'Press' settings to generate > PDF. [snip] Pls excuse my endless ignorance... I don't follow how your advice "Generate PostScript under RISC OS ensuring that ALL fonts are embedded" applies to the PostScript generation in the first place. I know that creating a PDF /from/ a PostScript file (e.g. with RiScript) allows choice on whether fonts are to be embedded or not. But do I also have this choice when generating the initial PostScript file (i.e. via the PoScript 2 printer)? If so, how, please. What have I missed? Regards, Jeremy R. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Simple; elegant; productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 8 19:17:52 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iex1a-2khVbs-08-9S5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:17:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iex1a-2khVbs-08-9S5; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:08:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iex1a-2khVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:08:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iex1V-0004md-0f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:08:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD60A7923C9; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29207-05; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A4597923D5; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:07:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 230007921F5 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29033-04 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF8787922FF for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Iex0H-000AxO-HL for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:06:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:05:15 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems References: <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 87 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy Roberts writes >Pls excuse my endless ignorance... I don't follow how your advice >"Generate PostScript under RISC OS ensuring that ALL fonts are >embedded" applies to the PostScript generation in the first place. See the application !FontPrint (which is part of RISC OS and you will have a copy of). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 8 19:27:53 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IexGf-02p000-04-9D0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:27:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IexGf-02p000-04-9D0; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:23:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IexGf-02p000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:23:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IexGf-0004RR-6Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:23:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A5CD79278D; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32578-05; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9A8279277B; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:23:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1164579279F for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32362-08 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1E88792756 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.dsl.pipex.com (unknown [85.211.238.39]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0A4E0004BF for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 19:23:06 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:22:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems Message-ID: <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> References: <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 88 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rkp@par.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy Roberts wrote: > Pls excuse my endless ignorance... I don't follow how your advice > "Generate PostScript under RISC OS ensuring that ALL fonts are > embedded" applies to the PostScript generation in the first place. > ....... This is a bit sneaky, I think. As supplied, !Printers will substitute some RISC OS font names with equivalent Postscript names when printing to Postscript. The Acorn fonts will not then be embedded when you make a PDF, the assumption being that the printer will have the fonts already. The application !FontPrint, which you should find in the same directory as !Printers, controls which fonts this applies to; they're listed in its display. You just just select them all via the menu, and delete them, leaving an empty window. Hope this helps. Richard Partridge. -- Richard Partridge rkp@par.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 8 21:47:58 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IezSh-20k000-08-FXU.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:47:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IezSh-20k000-08-FXU; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:44:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IezSh-20k000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:44:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IezSd-0004Wa-51 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:44:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 768D4792792; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04936-02; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05344792794; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:43:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00BE979271C for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04782-02 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 925FE792708 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([83.104.180.237] helo=Jeremy.edencroft2.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IezRs-000Lgz-Bd for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:43:32 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.36 Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:45:12 +0100 Message-ID: <8656bc2e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> References: <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.24 (MsgServe/3.27S) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 89 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> Richard Partridge wrote: > In article <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy Roberts > wrote: > >> Pls excuse my endless ignorance... I don't follow how your advice >> "Generate PostScript under RISC OS ensuring that ALL fonts are >> embedded" applies to the PostScript generation in the first place. > >> ....... > > This is a bit sneaky, I think. As supplied, !Printers will substitute > some RISC OS font names with equivalent Postscript names when > printing to Postscript. The Acorn fonts will not then be embedded > when you make a PDF, the assumption being that the printer will have > the fonts already. > > The application !FontPrint, which you should find in the same > directory as !Printers, controls which fonts this applies to; they're > listed in its display. You just just select them all via the menu, > and delete them, leaving an empty window. > > Hope this helps. > > Richard Partridge. Many thanks, David and Richard, for pointing me to that: ah yes - indeed - a dark corner now has a little light shone on it!! Certainly will help! Jeremy. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Simple; elegant; productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 11 18:37:00 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ig1wR-458knw-02-AjM.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:37:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ig1wR-458knw-02-AjM; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:35:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ig1wR-458knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:35:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ig1wQ-0006fq-Kg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:35:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BD22796BB8; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11806-03; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB7E9796C28; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:34:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22A6B796BB8 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11680-02 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate3.iss.soton.ac.uk (mailgate3.iss.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.104]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1E61796C65 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [152.78.163.173] (biota.biochem.soton.ac.uk [152.78.163.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailgate3.iss.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l9BHYQae019837 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:34:31 +0100 Message-ID: <470E5EA7.2080801@soton.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:34:31 +0100 From: "M.Bellamy" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems References: <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> <8656bc2e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8656bc2e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailgate3.iss.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.104]); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:34:31 +0100 (BST) X-ISS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Serviceline@soton.ac.uk for more information X-ISS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ISS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 90 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: M.Bellamy@soton.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Jeremy Roberts wrote: > In message <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> > Richard Partridge wrote: > >> In article <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy Roberts >> wrote: >> >>> Pls excuse my endless ignorance... I don't follow how your advice >>> "Generate PostScript under RISC OS ensuring that ALL fonts are >>> embedded" applies to the PostScript generation in the first place. >>> ....... >> This is a bit sneaky, I think. As supplied, !Printers will substitute >> some RISC OS font names with equivalent Postscript names when >> printing to Postscript. The Acorn fonts will not then be embedded >> when you make a PDF, the assumption being that the printer will have >> the fonts already. >> >> The application !FontPrint, which you should find in the same >> directory as !Printers, controls which fonts this applies to; they're >> listed in its display. You just just select them all via the menu, >> and delete them, leaving an empty window. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Richard Partridge. > > Many thanks, David and Richard, for pointing me to that: ah yes - > indeed - a dark corner now has a little light shone on it!! > > Certainly will help! It's also essential for sending things to lulu.com if you want to publish things that way. I had endless trouble with Ghostscript and PDFprinter on a PC failing to embed all the fonts, but it worked first time with OvationPro to Postscript file and then ps2pdf. Matt From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 11 18:47:00 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ig26W-4eHknw-02-AZH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:47:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ig26W-4eHknw-02-AZH; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:45:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ig26W-4eHknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:45:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ig26T-0001aB-Nu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:45:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA1AE796AEA; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14188-01; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28104796989; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:44:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC6777969B4 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13914-05 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E607D796930 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071011174401.WXCH1783.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:44:01 +0100 Received: from iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.169.32]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20071011174401.ZNO29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:44:01 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:47:45 GMT Message-ID: <01183d304f.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> <8656bc2e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <470E5EA7.2080801@soton.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <470E5EA7.2080801@soton.ac.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 91 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <470E5EA7.2080801@soton.ac.uk> "M.Bellamy" wrote: > Jeremy Roberts wrote: >> In message <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> >> Richard Partridge wrote: >> >>> In article <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy Roberts >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Pls excuse my endless ignorance... I don't follow how your advice >>>> "Generate PostScript under RISC OS ensuring that ALL fonts are >>>> embedded" applies to the PostScript generation in the first place. >>>> ....... >>> This is a bit sneaky, I think. As supplied, !Printers will substitute >>> some RISC OS font names with equivalent Postscript names when >>> printing to Postscript. The Acorn fonts will not then be embedded >>> when you make a PDF, the assumption being that the printer will have >>> the fonts already. >>> >>> The application !FontPrint, which you should find in the same >>> directory as !Printers, controls which fonts this applies to; they're >>> listed in its display. You just just select them all via the menu, >>> and delete them, leaving an empty window. >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Richard Partridge. >> >> Many thanks, David and Richard, for pointing me to that: ah yes - >> indeed - a dark corner now has a little light shone on it!! >> >> Certainly will help! > It's also essential for sending things to lulu.com if you want to > publish things that way. I had endless trouble with Ghostscript and > PDFprinter on a PC failing to embed all the fonts, but it worked first > time with OvationPro to Postscript file and then ps2pdf. How do you do it Matt? I haven't a clue. Alan -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 11 19:17:02 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ig2Vi-2on000-07-AA5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:17:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ig2Vi-2on000-07-AA5; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:11:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ig2Vi-2on000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:11:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ig2Vi-0006ix-Bp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:11:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB804795DB7; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19488-01; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41033794D3D; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:10:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42D99795CD2 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19279-05 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E034B795CB6 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bach ([88.134.62.243]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwh2-1Ig2Ub1NSC-0000nF; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:10:41 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:10:16 +0200 Message-ID: <33a939304f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+YCFBXu2kAuXjJQOHman/BG0+WtuWRPo3uiXT voOwx2eFgPPzclGQ+z6g3BJBt5TNKIVhW31NCKvdX5hPM4+kul qj2S8p3tXpN8/cxZbyTZmjaTWVilgER X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 92 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> Richard Partridge wrote: > In article <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy Roberts > wrote: >> Pls excuse my endless ignorance... I don't follow how your advice >> "Generate PostScript under RISC OS ensuring that ALL fonts are >> embedded" applies to the PostScript generation in the first place. >> ....... > > This is a bit sneaky, I think. As supplied, !Printers will substitute > some RISC OS font names with equivalent Postscript names when > printing to Postscript. The Acorn fonts will not then be embedded > when you make a PDF, the assumption being that the printer will have > the fonts already. Which is, of course, a true assumption because the fonts that the PS driver maps by default are those that are guaranteed to be present in any conforming interpreter. > The application !FontPrint, which you should find in the same > directory as !Printers, controls which fonts this applies to; they're > listed in its display. You just just select them all via the menu, > and delete them, leaving an empty window. I would not recommend that method for general use. It can be a good thing in very specific cases (preparing documents for lulu.com is one of them or sending documents to printers that explicitly require ALL fonts to be embedded, even the standard PS fonts) but it can lead to a signficant loss of quality, so should be avoided unless absolutely necessary. Direct PDF export in ArtWorks 2 has an option "Embed even standard fonts", but it is off by default. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 11 21:17:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ig4Lg-3DzVbs-06-Gqd.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:17:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ig4Lg-3DzVbs-06-Gqd; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:09:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ig4Lg-3DzVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:09:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ig4Lg-0004dY-HX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:09:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5F477950F3; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10445-10; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30EF4795F8B; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:08:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44139795D5D for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10326-01 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01F9D7957DE for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (81-86-130-211.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.130.211]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F47FE0001FE for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:08:49 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:08:50 +0100 From: Peter Jennings User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Windows version has "stopped working" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 93 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: aoum51@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Help I have been using Ovation Pro on my new Windows Vista computer for the last few weeks but it has now "stopped working" (as confirmed by a Windows message). I reloaded the latest (October) version from the OvnPro website and reinstalled it but with the same results. I even reinstalled it again in a different Program Files folder. Windows has given one explanation: that it can't find the OvProDocument.dpd file in my Documents folder! The file does exist there but I can't see the relevance when I am clicking on the OvnPro application in its own Program Files folder. Can anyone advise me, please? Thanks Peter Jennings From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 11 21:27:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ig4cE-0cK000-02-Ga5.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ig4cE-0cK000-02-Ga5; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:26:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ig4cE-0cK000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:26:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ig4cC-0006xm-JQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:26:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D2A37963BC; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14048-02; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1BCF7963F5; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:25:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8377E7963BC for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13766-09 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B3B979613A for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Ig4bP-000LVh-M3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:25:52 +0000 Message-ID: <2MPF3$FMaoDHFw41@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:24:44 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows version has "stopped working" References: <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 94 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com>, Peter Jennings writes >I have been using Ovation Pro on my new Windows Vista computer for the >last few weeks but it has now "stopped working" (as confirmed by a >Windows message). Can you tell me more, like the exact messages from Windows and exactly what provokes them? >Windows has given one explanation: that it can't find the >OvProDocument.dpd file in my Documents folder! So how where you attempting to load that file - what was the message and what was the name of the file? Often in Windows one can mark error messages and then copy/paste them, saves a lot of time. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 11 21:47:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ig4sB-2QkVbs-04-GK8.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:47:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ig4sB-2QkVbs-04-GK8; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:43:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ig4sB-2QkVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:43:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ig4s4-00077U-Cn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:43:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1303792F5E; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17093-09; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21C3A79609A; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:42:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44F23792F5E for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16946-02 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 191FE796112 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Ig4r8-000MWF-41 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:42:06 +0000 Message-ID: <2sOFvzGKpoDHFwa8@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:40:42 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems References: <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> <8656bc2e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <470E5EA7.2080801@soton.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <470E5EA7.2080801@soton.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 95 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <470E5EA7.2080801@soton.ac.uk>, M.Bellamy writes >It's also essential for sending things to lulu.com if you want to >publish things that way. I had endless trouble with Ghostscript and >PDFprinter on a PC failing to embed all the fonts, but it worked first >time with OvationPro to Postscript file and then ps2pdf. One comment, Ovation Pro for Windows has an option where it generates the PostScript when you are printing to a PostScript printer. OP->Misc->Choices->Print->Direct PostScript ON Font substitution on Windows is set via the printer driver configuration: Right Click on Printer in Printers and Faxes ->Properties->Device Settings->FontSubstitution Table However the precise details of where to find this will depend on which version of Windows. However it is there. OP also lets you control what format fonts are stored in the PostScript, type 1 or type 3. Another thing, is that some PDF printer drivers like Adobe Acrobat behave as PostScript printer drivers. Others though act as Windows Meta file drivers - like almost all Windows printer drivers. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 12 11:51:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IgHcC-2QGGPo-02-C6d.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:51:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IgHcC-2QGGPo-02-C6d; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:19:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IgHcC-2QGGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:19:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IgHc9-0004VW-Af for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:19:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F220B79C3A9 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27906-02 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9DEC795849 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:18:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CFCC79C4E5 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27530-01 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate2.iss.soton.ac.uk (mailgate2.iss.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.103]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A2C979C543 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [152.78.163.173] (biota.biochem.soton.ac.uk [152.78.163.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailgate2.iss.soton.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l9CAIViP015946 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:18:34 +0100 Message-ID: <470F49FE.9040308@soton.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:18:38 +0100 From: "M.Bellamy" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems References: <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> <8656bc2e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <470E5EA7.2080801@soton.ac.uk> <01183d304f.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <01183d304f.alan@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mailgate2.iss.soton.ac.uk [152.78.128.103]); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:18:34 +0100 (BST) X-ISS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Serviceline@soton.ac.uk for more information X-ISS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ISS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 96 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: M.Bellamy@soton.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <470E5EA7.2080801@soton.ac.uk> > "M.Bellamy" wrote: > >> Jeremy Roberts wrote: >>> In message <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> >>> Richard Partridge wrote: >>> >>>> In article <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk>, Jeremy Roberts >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Pls excuse my endless ignorance... I don't follow how your advice >>>>> "Generate PostScript under RISC OS ensuring that ALL fonts are >>>>> embedded" applies to the PostScript generation in the first place. >>>>> ....... >>>> This is a bit sneaky, I think. As supplied, !Printers will substitute >>>> some RISC OS font names with equivalent Postscript names when >>>> printing to Postscript. The Acorn fonts will not then be embedded >>>> when you make a PDF, the assumption being that the printer will have >>>> the fonts already. >>>> >>>> The application !FontPrint, which you should find in the same >>>> directory as !Printers, controls which fonts this applies to; they're >>>> listed in its display. You just just select them all via the menu, >>>> and delete them, leaving an empty window. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> Richard Partridge. >>> Many thanks, David and Richard, for pointing me to that: ah yes - >>> indeed - a dark corner now has a little light shone on it!! >>> >>> Certainly will help! > >> It's also essential for sending things to lulu.com if you want to >> publish things that way. I had endless trouble with Ghostscript and >> PDFprinter on a PC failing to embed all the fonts, but it worked first >> time with OvationPro to Postscript file and then ps2pdf. > > How do you do it Matt? I haven't a clue. Going from memory, because I'm not in front of RISC OS at the moment... Make a copy of the PoScript2 file found in the Printers directory and call it something else. Load !FontPrint, choose this new printer definition file and remove all the font mappings. Load !Printers and change to your new one and also change the connection to "file" and drag the Postscript icon to the directory you want to save your printout. Load OPro, again choose your new virtual printer and then print your file (to disc). Load ps2pdf and drag the printed Postscript file onto it. When the save window pops up, just drag to save the pdf. You can probably simplify further using Steve Fryatt's !PrintPDF, but I haven't tried it yet. You can then upload the pdf to lulu's website. They have limited page sizes so you may need to change the page size in OPro and then create a matching new page size in your virtual printer. Matt From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 12 11:51:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IgHpn-3qeVbs-06-Bt2.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:51:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IgHpn-3qeVbs-06-Bt2; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:33:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IgHpn-3qeVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:33:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IgHpl-0002Es-Iw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:33:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 011CB79C715 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31978-08 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CBD2F79C732 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:32:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E9B979C67E for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31594-02 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2945079C671 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (81-86-130-211.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.130.211]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A5FE0004CF for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:32:47 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <470F4D50.7070000@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:32:48 +0100 From: Peter Jennings User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows version has "stopped working" References: <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com> <2MPF3$FMaoDHFw41@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2MPF3$FMaoDHFw41@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 97 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: aoum51@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > In message <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com>, Peter Jennings > writes >> I have been using Ovation Pro on my new Windows Vista computer for >> the last few weeks but it has now "stopped working" (as confirmed by >> a Windows message). > > Can you tell me more, like the exact messages from Windows and exactly > what provokes them? > >> Windows has given one explanation: that it can't find the >> OvProDocument.dpd file in my Documents folder! > > So how where you attempting to load that file - what was the message > and what was the name of the file? > > Often in Windows one can mark error messages and then copy/paste them, > saves a lot of time. > The Windows messages are not really helpful. When I try to run Ovation Pro I get two in succession which just say: "OvnPro has stopped working. Windows is checking for a solution to the problem." This is followed by: "OvnPro has stopped working. A problem caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available." There are no further messages. I normally start Ovation Pro from a short cut on the desktop but I have also been trying clicking on the "OvnPro" application in the Program Files Ovation Pro folder. I have tried uninstalling the program using the Ovation Pro "Uninstall" application. I get a message that the program has been uninstalled but it is still in the folder! The "OvProDocument" in the Documents folder is a blank document template which I normally access from its own short cut on the desktop and this usually runs the program. I now get the Windows can't find the document message if I click on that and I got the same message once when I clicked on the OvnPro application in Program Files. Shall I try reinstalling Ovation Pro from the original disc and then upgrading again or will the two copies now on the computer, and seemingly unable to be uninstalled, affect that? Regards Peter Jennings Inbox protected by ClearMyMail www.ClearMyMail.com {d84608e2ef2a43c09d38b957982dadea} From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 12 12:20:41 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IgIUf-07zVbs-08-BEA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:20:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IgIUf-07zVbs-08-BEA; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:15:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IgIUf-07zVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:15:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IgIUe-0001Hm-F6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:15:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 423D479C359 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30643-01 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DA38796DDC for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:13:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30E9479C269 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30280-01 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB73879C10F for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IgIS1-000H7o-Ie for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:13:06 +0000 Message-ID: <7QaGgGBYZ1DHFwIj@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:11:20 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows version has "stopped working" References: <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com> <2MPF3$FMaoDHFw41@pilling.demon.co.uk> <470F4D50.7070000@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <470F4D50.7070000@dsl.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 98 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <470F4D50.7070000@dsl.pipex.com>, Peter Jennings writes >The Windows messages are not really helpful. When I try to run Ovation >Pro I get two in succession which just say: "OvnPro has stopped >working. Windows is checking for a solution to the problem." This is >followed by: "OvnPro has stopped working. A problem caused the program >to stop working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify >you if a solution is available." I've not heard of those messages before but they sound like a variation on the usual thing when a program crashes - Windows attempts to protect the simple user from this truth and tries to do something online. Sometimes there is a button that lets you obtain more information about why the program has crashed. >I normally start Ovation Pro from a short cut on the desktop but I have >also been trying clicking on the "OvnPro" application in the Program >Files Ovation Pro folder. Clicking direct on the .exe should be fine, but why do something different to what should work - start OP from the Windows Start menu. >I have tried uninstalling the program using the Ovation Pro "Uninstall" >application. I get a message that the program has been uninstalled but >it is still in the folder! There may be a reason for that, for example you have some sort of protection system installed. Another reasons is that OP may be uninstalling from another place to the one you're looking at. >Shall I try reinstalling Ovation Pro from the original disc and then >upgrading again or will the two copies now on the computer, and >seemingly unable to be uninstalled, affect that? What strikes a chill into me is the bit about two copies. I would be inclined to remove all the program files from the hard disc by hand - you can use search to find OvnPro.exe then remove the folders which contain it and all the other files. Then install the latest version from the web site. When you get rid of the folders containing the program, you still have some of the Ovation Pro installation left - that is the user specific data. You'll find this in a folder with a name like: C:\Documents and Settings\David Pilling\Application Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro In this the first "David Pilling" is the user name - Peter for example. Unless you have precious user settings I'd remove this folder too. You then have a clean copy of the latest version. After all this, there may be a bug in the program, for example it may crash if you have a particular number of fonts installed. The point being that something you changed outside the program may reveal a problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 12 17:40:56 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IgNRx-3sHknw-03-EnO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:40:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IgNRx-3sHknw-03-EnO; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:33:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IgNRx-3sHknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:33:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IgNRw-0002V7-OJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:33:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E57C479D681 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04656-02 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A443379D6D1 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:32:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF3FA79D681 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04510-01 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8478D79D4D4 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.dsl.pipex.com (85-211-243-211.dsl.pipex.com [85.211.243.211]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3C6E0004EA for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:32:35 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:29:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems Message-ID: <4f30b44ec0rkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <33a939304f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> <33a939304f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 99 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rkp@par.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <33a939304f.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> > Richard Partridge wrote: > > .... > > The application !FontPrint, which you should find in the same > > directory as !Printers, controls which fonts this applies to; > > they're listed in its display. You just just select them all via > > the menu, and delete them, leaving an empty window. > I would not recommend that method for general use. It can be a good > thing in very specific cases (preparing documents for lulu.com is > one of them or sending documents to printers that explicitly > require ALL fonts to be embedded, even the standard PS fonts) but > it can lead to a signficant loss of quality, so should be avoided > unless absolutely necessary. I take it this is because the Postscript driver embeds Type 3 fonts unless there's a Type 1 font available on the RISC OS machine (as there should be with EFF fonts, if we've installed them properly). Does anyone publish a list of Postscript equivalents to Acorn fonts, or vice versa? This could be very useful both when setting up a list in !FontPrint, and also when trying to match a font in someone else's document. Regards, Richard Partridge. -- Richard Partridge rkp@par.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 12 18:00:57 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IgNmZ-41I000-04-ESm.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:00:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IgNmZ-41I000-04-ESm; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:54:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IgNmZ-41I000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:54:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IgNm7-0004bA-Qw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:54:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15B7D79C8BD for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10636-02 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD70579C081 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:53:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8EDD79CA76 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10383-03 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com (smtp5.freeserve.com [193.252.22.151]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 893AE79C9EF for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3418.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A9A381C00088 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:53:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rpc.orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk (user-5444bb2f.lns6-c10.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.68.187.47]) by mwinf3418.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 763EE1C00087 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:53:28 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20071012165328484.763EE1C00087@mwinf3418.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows version has "stopped working" To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:52:51 +0100 Message-ID: References: <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com> <2MPF3$FMaoDHFw41@pilling.demon.co.uk> <470F4D50.7070000@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <470F4D50.7070000@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 100 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <470F4D50.7070000@dsl.pipex.com> Peter Jennings wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com>, Peter Jennings >> writes >>> I have been using Ovation Pro on my new Windows Vista computer for >>> the last few weeks but it has now "stopped working" (as confirmed by >>> a Windows message). >> >> Can you tell me more, like the exact messages from Windows and exactly >> what provokes them? >> >>> Windows has given one explanation: that it can't find the >>> OvProDocument.dpd file in my Documents folder! >> >> So how where you attempting to load that file - what was the message >> and what was the name of the file? >> >> Often in Windows one can mark error messages and then copy/paste them, >> saves a lot of time. >> > The Windows messages are not really helpful. When I try to run Ovation > Pro I get two in succession which just say: "OvnPro has stopped working. > Windows is checking for a solution to the problem." This is followed by: > "OvnPro has stopped working. A problem caused the program to stop > working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a > solution is available." There are no further messages. > I normally start Ovation Pro from a short cut on the desktop but I have > also been trying clicking on the "OvnPro" application in the Program > Files Ovation Pro folder. > I have tried uninstalling the program using the Ovation Pro "Uninstall" > application. I get a message that the program has been uninstalled but > it is still in the folder! You can often get more information (which may not be helpful) from the event viewer - Right click on My computer, choose Manage, then click Event Viewer. Click on Application log, and see whether there is anything from the date and time of the problem. If so, it might be useful to the author, although it probably won't mean anything to you. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 12 18:00:57 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IgNsK-0dzVbs-03-EN1.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:00:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IgNsK-0dzVbs-03-EN1; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:00:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IgNsK-0dzVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:00:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IgNsK-0000xK-Ag for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:00:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03FD579CD8B for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11954-04-41 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14E2C79CDC6 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:59:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0161379C8BD for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11790-08 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4DFC79C782 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IgNrZ-0007MG-LG; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:59:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:58:41 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows version has "stopped working" References: <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com> <2MPF3$FMaoDHFw41@pilling.demon.co.uk> <470F4D50.7070000@dsl.pipex.com> <7QaGgGBYZ1DHFwIj@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7QaGgGBYZ1DHFwIj@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 101 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <7QaGgGBYZ1DHFwIj@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes Peter - the mail list bounced your last posting because of the attachments. Could you please email the screen shots to me privately. Meanwhile I've quoted below your message. > After all this, there may be a bug in the program, for example it may > crash if you have a particular number of fonts installed. The point > being that something you changed outside the program may reveal a > problem. I have now done all that but with no success. The only changes made on my computer since I was last able to use Ovation Pro are some updates automatically installed by Windows. I've attached a screen shot of them. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 12 20:01:03 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IgPfh-3fTknw-07-CZe.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:01:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IgPfh-3fTknw-07-CZe; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:55:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IgPfh-3fTknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:55:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IgPfh-0003TA-11 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:55:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7365079C3FE for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08096-10-4 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E95A796A61 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:54:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98F0779729D for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07774-07 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 477C37971AE for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (81-86-130-211.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.130.211]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B5DE000481 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:54:54 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <470FC301.8070604@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:54:57 +0100 From: Peter Jennings User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows version has "stopped working" References: <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com> <2MPF3$FMaoDHFw41@pilling.demon.co.uk> <470F4D50.7070000@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 102 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: aoum51@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Alan Adams wrote: >You can often get more information (which may not be helpful) from the >event viewer - Right click on My computer, choose Manage, then click >Event Viewer. Click on Application log, and see whether there is >anything from the date and time of the problem. >If so, it might be useful to the author, although it probably won't >mean anything to you. Thanks for the info. I have found 48 of the following error reports!: Faulting application OvnPro.exe, version 1.0.0.1, time stamp 0x467bdb5a, faulting module ntdll.dll, version 6.0.6000.16386, time stamp 0x4549bdc9, exception code 0xc0000005, fault offset 0x00061884, process id 0x4e0, application start time 0x01c80cd9641b232d. Hope that is of use to David. Regards Peter Jennings From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 12 22:01:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IgRXq-2R3GPo-06-AhV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:01:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IgRXq-2R3GPo-06-AhV; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:55:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IgRXq-2R3GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:55:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IgRXq-0005xm-8E for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:55:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 727F279CDF0 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02759-03 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53C7E79C6E3 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:55:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D0FE79D0D3 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02636-01 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 309E279CD8B for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:54:08 -0400 (EDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAIp7D0d5LAf8/2dsb2JhbAAM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,268,1188743400"; d="scan'208";a="205903602" Received: from ppp121-44-7-252.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([121.44.7.252]) by ipmail02.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 13 Oct 2007 06:22:44 +0930 Message-ID: <470FDEC8.8090008@internode.on.net> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 06:53:28 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows version has "stopped working" References: <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com> <2MPF3$FMaoDHFw41@pilling.demon.co.uk> <470F4D50.7070000@dsl.pipex.com> <470FC301.8070604@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <470FC301.8070604@dsl.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 103 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pprewett@internode.on.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain The Vista error messages have been appearing with another program (Xara Picture editor) when I close it down. I was told that it was due to:- ....................... 'This problem is caused by an interaction between XPE and a new version of MSXML that Windows Update has automatically installed on your computer. The error only occurs when MSXML is closing down. .......................... Probably no relevance to the OVpro problem though. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 12 22:11:09 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IgRi4-3pK000-01-AXH.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:11:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IgRi4-3pK000-01-AXH; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:06:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IgRi4-3pK000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:06:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IgRi3-0007jY-LK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:06:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03ECF795495 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04895-08 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DBC27795CCE for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:05:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20C9479D20E for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04397-08 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD15779D1BF for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IgRhL-0008bG-2S for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:05:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:04:17 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows version has "stopped working" References: <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com> <2MPF3$FMaoDHFw41@pilling.demon.co.uk> <470F4D50.7070000@dsl.pipex.com> <470FC301.8070604@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <470FC301.8070604@dsl.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 104 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <470FC301.8070604@dsl.pipex.com>, Peter Jennings writes >Alan Adams wrote: >>You can often get more information (which may not be helpful) from the >>event viewer - Right click on My computer, choose Manage, then click Thanks, a very good suggestion. >Thanks for the info. I have found 48 of the following error reports!: That error report is the best thing so far. However hard to work out from it what has gone wrong. I see from the screen shot that you installed a lot of updates. I suppose the main thing here is that you're using Vista. One obvious course is for me to get the updates for my copy of Vista and see if I can still run OP. If I can't then fixing the problem becomes a lot easier. I'm thinking back to when Vista came out, and there were problems with OP... ideas that always come up are things like how Vista can be configured to not run certain types of code as a security measure. So I'll go away and try the Vista updates - over the weekend. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 12 22:11:10 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IgRk2-0vvVbs-08-AVJ.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:11:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IgRk2-0vvVbs-08-AVJ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:08:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IgRk2-0vvVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:08:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IgRk1-0006uA-PF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:08:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41269796084 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05534-06-2 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8D11797096 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:07:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C145F7965B6 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05314-01 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55501795C82 for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IgRjJ-0006Lu-DQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:07:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:05:53 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Quercus, PDF problems References: <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> <33a939304f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4f30b44ec0rkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4f30b44ec0rkp@par.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 105 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f30b44ec0rkp@par.me.uk>, Richard Partridge writes >Does anyone publish a list of Postscript equivalents to Acorn fonts, >or vice versa? This could be very useful both when setting up a list >in !FontPrint, and also when trying to match a font in someone else's >document. I feel that I've been through all that - maybe in the documentation for the fonts that come with OP for Windows, or in the set up of the font manager in OP for Windows. Or they may have been discussed on this list. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 13 21:18:22 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Igc38-4Dc000-03-8ij.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:18:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Igc38-4Dc000-03-8ij; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:08:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Igc38-4Dc000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:08:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Igc37-0005qQ-Ve for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:08:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F0367969F5 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08269-05 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3288A796B4D for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:08:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E90B7969F5 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08107-09 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-filter-2-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.53]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 299FB7969F1 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 04:07:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Trace: 622678993-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.241.253 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAIMZEEdYafH9/2dsb2JhbACBWg Received: from 88-105-241-253.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.241.253]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 13 Oct 2007 09:07:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:07:01 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Windows version has "stopped working" Message-ID: <4f310a1ac5dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com> <2MPF3$FMaoDHFw41@pilling.demon.co.uk> <470F4D50.7070000@dsl.pipex.com> <470FC301.8070604@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 106 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article , David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > I see from the screen shot that you installed a lot of updates. > I suppose the main thing here is that you're using Vista. One obvious > course is for me to get the updates for my copy of Vista and see if I > can still run OP. If I can't then fixing the problem becomes a lot > easier. > I'm thinking back to when Vista came out, and there were problems with > OP... ideas that always come up are things like how Vista can be > configured to not run certain types of code as a security measure. > So I'll go away and try the Vista updates - over the weekend. David I'm using Win OvPro version 2.92 (22nd June 2007) on a Vista run Laptop without any particular problems. Windows updates including "Defender" are completely up to date as of this past weeks supply. One point I would make about installing almost anything on a Vista based machine, because of the cretinous security measures incorported by MS. At install. Always click RH mouse button over the .exe installer and select "Run as Administrator" it seems to save aggravation at a later time. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 13 21:38:03 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Igndt-19pVbs-01-EB0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:38:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Igndt-19pVbs-01-EB0; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:31:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Igndt-19pVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:31:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Igndp-0007M9-Bb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:31:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5704A79675C for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16904-06 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A619796EEC for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:30:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C657979675C for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16717-02 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3C3B796698 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Ignch-000F6d-A2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:30:11 +0000 Message-ID: <83v35XCQqSEHFwjB@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:29:04 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows version has "stopped working" References: <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com> <2MPF3$FMaoDHFw41@pilling.demon.co.uk> <470F4D50.7070000@dsl.pipex.com> <470FC301.8070604@dsl.pipex.com> <4f310a1ac5dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4f310a1ac5dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 107 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4f310a1ac5dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >I'm using Win OvPro version 2.92 (22nd June 2007) on a Vista run Laptop >without any particular problems. Thanks. I'd much rather you had said it fell over... 8-) >At install. Always click RH mouse button over the .exe installer and >select "Run as Administrator" it seems to save aggravation at a later time. Yes. Below is what I wrote on the 15th of March to this list ======================================================= A warning. On Vista one does not get administrator rights as easily as on previous versions of Windows. This matters when you are installing programs when typically the installer will want to write protected resources e.g. the registry. Things will go wrong if you run an installer as a mere user. To stop things going wrong with installation you have a number of options. (1) right click the installer and use the run as administrator menu option. (2) ensure the installer has the "correct" name - files with "Install" or "Setup" in their names are treated specially by Windows Vista. (3) use installers which have a UAC (User Access Control) manifest embedded. I am updating all my installers to include manifests. This will take some time. ======================================================= -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 14 12:06:50 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Igy1Y-2aeknw-02-CJr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:06:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Igy1Y-2aeknw-02-CJr; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:36:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Igy1Y-2aeknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:36:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Igy1Y-00078k-BO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:36:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3F2E79C71A for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04046-01 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 768337968DB for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:35:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C476796F63 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03716-10 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-filter-2-a-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.53]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0929C796F2D for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:35:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Trace: 622930058-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 88.105.141.194 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAPtjEUdYaY3C/2dsb2JhbACBWo5S Received: from 88-105-141-194.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO dave.nom) ([88.105.141.194]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 14 Oct 2007 08:35:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:03:55 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows version has "stopped working" Message-ID: <4f318829c3dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <83v35XCQqSEHFwjB@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com> <2MPF3$FMaoDHFw41@pilling.demon.co.uk> <470F4D50.7070000@dsl.pipex.com> <470FC301.8070604@dsl.pipex.com> <4f310a1ac5dfs@ukgateway.net> <83v35XCQqSEHFwjB@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/6.06) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 108 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In article <83v35XCQqSEHFwjB@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4f310a1ac5dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes > writes > >I'm using Win OvPro version 2.92 (22nd June 2007) on a Vista run Laptop > >without any particular problems. > Thanks. I'd much rather you had said it fell over... 8-) > >At install. Always click RH mouse button over the .exe installer and > >select "Run as Administrator" it seems to save aggravation at a later > >time. > Yes. Below is what I wrote on the 15th of March to this list [Snip] 8-) Sorry I couldn't give you any good news then. ;-) To be honest... I think the RO OvPro has fallen over more times than the Windows version. That said the RO version does get more use. It is an incredible boon to be able to create and use the Ov documents on either OS, but of course the one remaining downer is, I still can't output it as a Word Doc to send to the customers who only use that.(Thing) Actually David after re-reading that, I've just remembered, I'm parroting old stuff... I don't think it matters that much, as these days I print out of Win OvPro directly to a PDF creator and send them the PDF. To your note of March 15th... I do vaguely remember reading your note, and it has been repeated by quite a few software companies Tech support people that I've spoken to since I got the Vista laptop. Cheers and thanks for the good work. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 15 12:02:07 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IhNgu-2C7knw-02-CE3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:02:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IhNgu-2C7knw-02-CE3; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:00:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IhNgu-2C7knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:00:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IhNgt-0002V5-K4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:00:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB48B79D9F8 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20850-01 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C876D79D8F5 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:00:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03C2C79D977 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20657-09 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF51E79D8F5 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.23.170.146] (helo=anti-virus03-09) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1IhNgC-00011X-Dw for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:00:12 +0100 Received: from [82.41.10.69] (helo=[192.168.1.10]) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1IhNgB-0004yU-SH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:00:11 +0100 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:59:38 +0100 From: Jeremy Nicoll - freelists To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows version has "stopped working" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com> References: <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28m (Qt/3.3.7) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 109 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jn.flists.73@wingsandbeaks.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Peter Jennings wrote: > Help > > I have been using Ovation Pro on my new Windows Vista computer for the > last few weeks but it has now "stopped working" (as confirmed by a > Windows message). I reloaded the latest (October) version from the > OvnPro website and reinstalled it but with the same results. ... which strongly suggest that it's not OPw that's provoked the problem, but some change in the underlying OS. What applications have you installed or removed since OPw last worked ok? Which Windows updates have been applied in that period? -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 15 12:22:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IhNuH-3Yv000-06-C0g.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:22:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IhNuH-3Yv000-06-C0g; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:14:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IhNuH-3Yv000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:14:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IhNuH-000513-FC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:14:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4F7279DA7C for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22536-01 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B064379C830 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:14:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78BC679D4B6 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22401-09 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 464F579C830 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IhNtW-000LW4-AC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:13:58 +0000 Message-ID: <6hAWMUCvs0EHFwDg@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:12:47 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows version has "stopped working" References: <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com> <2MPF3$FMaoDHFw41@pilling.demon.co.uk> <470F4D50.7070000@dsl.pipex.com> <470FC301.8070604@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 110 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , David Pilling writes >So I'll go away and try the Vista updates - over the weekend. Windows update stiffed the computer. After that Windows proclaimed it could not do updates and gave an error number. I looked the number up on Google, there's a lot of pain out in Windows land. The solution was not clear, even from Microsoft. The dreaded "reinstall Windows" is on offer. System restore to before the failed update got things working again. After that it installed all the updates. However Ovation Pro still works. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 16 21:55:08 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IhtIC-2kdVbs-05-Eip.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:55:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IhtIC-2kdVbs-05-Eip; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:45:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IhtIC-2kdVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:45:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IhtHy-0006NM-OJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:45:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26CBE79E3B4; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01431-01; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95BCA79DFA4; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:43:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 646F779DFCE for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00832-04 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76AA979DF79 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1IhtG2-0002mK-0N for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:43:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:41:41 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows version has "stopped working" References: <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com> <2MPF3$FMaoDHFw41@pilling.demon.co.uk> <470F4D50.7070000@dsl.pipex.com> <470FC301.8070604@dsl.pipex.com> <6hAWMUCvs0EHFwDg@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6hAWMUCvs0EHFwDg@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 111 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <6hAWMUCvs0EHFwDg@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes >After that it installed all the updates. However Ovation Pro still >works. OK, Peter Jennings ran some tests for me. The crash is caused by a bug in Ovation Pro, as it happens the bug is provoked by the precise set of fonts on his machine. I've uploaded a fixed version to the OPW CD web site. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Oct 17 11:54:31 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ii5Hb-04Gknw-03-BFw.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:54:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ii5Hb-04Gknw-03-BFw; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:33:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ii5Hb-04Gknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:33:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ii5Ha-0000xi-7c for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:33:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5ADF479E67A; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04680-09; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D420F79ED16; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:33:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0888079E67A for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04523-07 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1B3179E616 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (81-86-130-211.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.130.211]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D30AE000716 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:32:57 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4715D6D3.2080303@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 10:33:07 +0100 From: Peter Jennings User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows version has "stopped working" References: <470E82D2.5050201@dsl.pipex.com> <2MPF3$FMaoDHFw41@pilling.demon.co.uk> <470F4D50.7070000@dsl.pipex.com> <470FC301.8070604@dsl.pipex.com> <6hAWMUCvs0EHFwDg@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 112 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: aoum51@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > In message <6hAWMUCvs0EHFwDg@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > writes >> After that it installed all the updates. However Ovation Pro still >> works. > > OK, Peter Jennings ran some tests for me. The crash is caused by a bug > in Ovation Pro, as it happens the bug is provoked by the precise set > of fonts on his machine. > > I've uploaded a fixed version to the OPW CD web site. > > My thanks to David. Who else would give such prompt and efficient service in response to a problem? Peter Jennings From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 19 11:29:33 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iio66-0DdVbs-08-941.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:29:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iio66-0DdVbs-08-941; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:24:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iio66-0DdVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:24:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iio64-0003Iw-Bg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:24:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE4497A13CC for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07673-10 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0B8E7A1679 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:24:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F55A7A13CC for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07587-05 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D1557A0EAD for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trefh.demon.co.uk ([80.177.175.38] helo=iyonix.trefh.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Iio5O-0005eT-0F for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:24:06 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.77d 19-Mar-2007 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Derek Barnett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:23:58 +0100 Message-ID: <3d2a28344f.Derek@trefh.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Not here there isn't User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 113 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: derek@trefh.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain Hi all, I'm using a Iyonix with 5.13 and Ovation Pro 2.77d 19-Mar-2007 and=20 have just tried to write a letter to someone using this splendid=20 program. But what I type does not appear on the screen as I would=20 expect. Non of the expected key presses appear as expected, eg capital T=20 appears as =C2, hope this gets to you as typed here. (A with ^ on top) All previously saved documents appear correctly but if I try to add=20 anything to them the characters are all wrong. David suggested that I=20 could type into a text editor then transfer it into Ovation Pro. This works but is long winded. Whilst trying out an older version at the same time as having the=20 current version on the icon bar I noticed that I could enter the=20 correct key presses into it. I then tried running two copies of the current version at the same=20 time and if I typed into the second screen I got the correct=20 characters. If I run two copies of the program and then removed the=20 first run copy from the icon bar, the second run copy would then=20 produce the correct characters, EH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hope you get what I'm trying to say and may be able to come up with an=20 answer. Sorry I can't say when this problem started as I only use the program=20 occasionally, so at what stage through the upgrade process either from=20 Castle or from David Pilling this state of affairs started, I'm non=20 the wiser. --=20 Derek Barnett / Erith, KENT Iyonix PC, NetFetch 3.10, Messenger Pro 5.04, Oregano2 & Organizer 101 uses for a Bill Gates: 13: A train buffer From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 19 17:58:56 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Iiv9Z-0K8GPo-06-AX4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:58:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Iiv9Z-0K8GPo-06-AX4; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:56:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Iiv9Z-0K8GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:56:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Iiv9W-0000o5-9X for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:56:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8B2DF7A1D22 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24427-07 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BF477A1D90 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:56:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D4467A1D22 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24202-05 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B50887A1C0D for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Iiv8l-0002ft-4u for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:56:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:54:40 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.77d 19-Mar-2007 References: <3d2a28344f.Derek@trefh.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3d2a28344f.Derek@trefh.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 114 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <3d2a28344f.Derek@trefh.demon.co.uk>, Derek Barnett=20 writes >Non of the expected key presses appear as expected, eg capital T >appears as =C2, hope this gets to you as typed here. (A with ^ on top) So what is it that goes wrong with the keyboard handling on the Iyonix? >anything to them the characters are all wrong. David suggested that I >could type into a text editor then transfer it into Ovation Pro. Only as a test, to see where the problem was. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 20 20:57:36 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ij0NF-2HL000-02-Dpu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:57:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ij0NF-2HL000-02-Dpu; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:31:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ij0NF-2HL000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:31:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ij0NC-0005wi-Dp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:31:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8DD27A1814 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12836-06 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 975447A19C2 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:30:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DFDA17A1814 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12308-03-2 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6693F7A1647 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trefh.demon.co.uk ([80.177.175.38] helo=iyonix.trefh.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Ij0MF-000483-FQ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:30:19 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro 2.77d 19-Mar-2007 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Derek Barnett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.42 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:30:14 +0100 Message-ID: <1e2670344f.Derek@trefh.demon.co.uk> References: <3d2a28344f.Derek@trefh.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Not here there isn't User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/5.04 (MsgServe/3.35) (RISC-OS/5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 115 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: derek@trefh.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <3d2a28344f.Derek@trefh.demon.co.uk>, Derek Barnett > writes >>Non of the expected key presses appear as expected, eg capital T >>appears as =C2, hope this gets to you as typed here. (A with ^ on top) > So what is it that goes wrong with the keyboard handling on the Iyonix?= The only problem with the keyboard is with Ovation Pro. Have eliminated any keyboard problems by going through a Belkin switch=20 by disconnecting the switch and by plugging in a USB keyboard on the=20 outside rear edge of the Iyonix and getting exactly the same result. The only cure is to run Ovation Pro for a second time and by typing=20 into that. I can exit the first run copy either before typing or after=20 I have typed into the second copy. Now I have found a way round the problem I can live with it, but=20 thought it should be brought up just in case it was known about, or=20 someone else has the same problem. >>anything to them the characters are all wrong. David suggested that I >>could type into a text editor then transfer it into Ovation Pro. > Only as a test, to see where the problem was. --=20 Derek Barnett / derek@trefh.demon.co.uk Erith, KENT Iyonix PC, NetFetch 3.10, Messenger Pro 5.04, Oregano2 & Organizer Men are from earth. Women are from earth. Deal with it. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 27 21:04:54 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IlrXa-4WBknw-06-FgP.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:04:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IlrXa-4WBknw-06-FgP; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:41:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IlrXa-4WBknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:41:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IlrXM-0001aD-4W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:41:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E481E7A8573; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25670-09-18; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1EDF37A8525; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:10:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4AF67A8063 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22360-02-897 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id E74EE7A7B3F for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 03:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30364 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2007 07:42:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@217.42.164.240 with plain) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2007 07:42:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WJYT28gVM1kXPHNumRT8e6O1oOCNP5WXRzXC3UxPyfL7KbecI.Wbj9qWtiIF3NXUVtvYcdRgqQ-- Message-ID: <4722EBF4.3090103@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 08:42:44 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Pasting text and graphics into OPW from Windows global clipboard References: <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> <33a939304f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4f30b44ec0rkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 116 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain I came across a problem with OPW (v. 2.92 16 October 2007) today, which I have not encountered before ... I first loaded a large (20 pages) PDF document (containing text and images) into the OCR package OmniPage Pro (v 12.0). I copied the output from OmniPage Pro to the Windows clipboard, then pasted it into a blank OPW document. There followed much CPU activity, ending with OPW becoming unresponsive and having to be "killed" via the Task Manager. Any thoughts on why this happens, and how to resolve it? I'm using Windows XP (SP 2) on a P4 3 GHz computer with 2.00 GB RAM (and 3.00 GB virtual memory) and Radeon 9600 series 256 MB graphics card. (Why did I want to paste the OmniPage output into OPW? In order to edit the text ... which in some ways is easier to do in OPW than in MSWORD 2003) -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 27 21:43:58 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1IlsON-3G3knw-04-Epc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:43:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1IlsON-3G3knw-04-Epc; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:36:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1IlsON-3G3knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:36:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1IlsOK-0001BT-17 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:36:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 128B17AA16B; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05673-09; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D98C37A7C9D; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:17:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A0117AA919 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05545-05 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BEBB7AA6D6 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Ils63-0004f9-Kb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:17:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 21:16:09 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Pasting text and graphics into OPW from Windows global clipboard References: <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> <33a939304f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4f30b44ec0rkp@par.me.uk> <4722EBF4.3090103@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4722EBF4.3090103@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 117 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <4722EBF4.3090103@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >I first loaded a large (20 pages) PDF document (containing text and >images) into the OCR package OmniPage Pro (v 12.0). I copied the output >from OmniPage Pro to the Windows clipboard, then pasted it into a blank >OPW document. There followed much CPU activity, ending with OPW >becoming unresponsive and having to be "killed" via the Task Manager. I wonder what ended up on the clipboard - text or graphics, or possibly both. I would be inclined to save the output as a file and then load that file into OP, at least you then know what you're doing. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 28 11:36:00 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Im4Hk-1NfVbs-02-BSl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:36:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Im4Hk-1NfVbs-02-BSl; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:18:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Im4Hk-1NfVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:18:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Im4Hk-0005L3-4L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:18:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63C0E7ABB21; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22240-04; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EB787ABB7F; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:17:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 370E07ABB21 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22038-09 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id B41157ABA89 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 05:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46902 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2007 09:17:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@86.153.194.91 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2007 09:17:35 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YcZpYrkVM1nWA7cBG0nDPlWZNMtLMQXkK7BwW9.jdLjTxFr61P9v.WKH15jfkTF3dymtQgRJqw-- Message-ID: <472453AF.8030403@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:17:35 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Pasting text and graphics into OPW from Windows global clipboard References: <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> <33a939304f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4f30b44ec0rkp@par.me.uk> <4722EBF4.3090103@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 118 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain David Pilling wrote: > In message <4722EBF4.3090103@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > >> I copied the >> output from OmniPage Pro to the Windows clipboard, then pasted it into >> a blank OPW document. There followed much CPU activity, ending with >> OPW becoming unresponsive and having to be "killed" via the Task Manager. > > I wonder what ended up on the clipboard - text or graphics, or possibly > both. > > I would be inclined to save the output as a file and then load that file > into OP, at least you then know what you're doing. In fact I tried it three different ways ... 1. Copy OmniPage output --> Clipboard --> OPW document (would have included text + graphics) 2. Omnipage --> WORD 2003 --> Clipboard --> OPW (incl. text + graphics) 3. Omnipage --> Clipboard --> Notepad++ (graphics lost) --> Clipboard --> OPW (text only) OPW reacted the same way in each case. Without the graphics, the document size is 13,397 words / 68,796 characters (no spaces) / 82,092 characters (with spaces) / 1,386 lines. This morning, I saved the OmniPage output as a plain text file (using Notepad++), then drag and dropped the text file into a blank OPW document ... same result! So, not a Clipboard issue, I presume. I also notice that when I open up the Windows Task Manager to kill the OPW application, there are two identical entries for OPW in the Applications pane. Both say, " Document 1.dpd * at 90% Not responding". Is this normal? Killing one removes both entries. Could this be a bad install of OPW? If so, I haven't noticed any problem editing files created previously in OPW. -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 28 11:54:15 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Im6bz-3UtVbs-03-98W.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:54:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Im6bz-3UtVbs-03-98W; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:47:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Im6bz-3UtVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:47:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Im6bz-00035O-BS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:47:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F7FC7ABEFB; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 07:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01884-09; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 07:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 723077ABED0; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 07:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 28 Oct 2007 07:46:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D86F7ABEFB for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 07:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01799-06 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 07:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D02467AB5A9 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 07:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.49.20.172] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Im6ax-000PUd-5A for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:46:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:44:29 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Pasting text and graphics into OPW from Windows global clipboard References: <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> <33a939304f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4f30b44ec0rkp@par.me.uk> <4722EBF4.3090103@ed.ac.uk> <472453AF.8030403@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <472453AF.8030403@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 119 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message <472453AF.8030403@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >This morning, I saved the OmniPage output as a plain text file (using >Notepad++), then drag and dropped the text file into a blank OPW >document ... same result! So, not a Clipboard issue, I presume. Please let me have the text file (by private email). If I can reproduce the problem I can fix it. >I also notice that when I open up the Windows Task Manager to kill the >OPW application, there are two identical entries for OPW in the >Applications pane. Both say, " Document 1.dpd * at 90% >Not responding". Is this normal? Killing one removes both entries. Sounds odd, but once things go wrong, anything can happen. >Could this be a bad install of OPW? If so, I haven't noticed any >problem editing files created previously in OPW. I doubt it is a bad installation. Just sounds like a bug to me. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 30 14:07:54 2007 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Imrjp-2AmVbs-07-D9m.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:07:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Imrjp-2AmVbs-07-D9m; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:06:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.106] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Imrjp-2AmVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:06:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Imrjo-0005lV-RM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:06:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 286CD7AD44E; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32564-10; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E326A7ACE2C; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:05:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 191B87AD44E for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32431-09 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A52E67AD445 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.67) id 1Imrj2-000Kg9-Cb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:05:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:04:48 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Pasting text and graphics into OPW from Windows global clipboard References: <7eb4a22e4f.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <4f2eaf4dearkp@par.me.uk> <33a939304f.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4f30b44ec0rkp@par.me.uk> <4722EBF4.3090103@ed.ac.uk> <472453AF.8030403@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain X-archive-position: 120 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain In message , David Pilling writes >In message <472453AF.8030403@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > >>This morning, I saved the OmniPage output as a plain text file (using >>Notepad++), then drag and dropped the text file into a blank OPW >>document ... same result! So, not a Clipboard issue, I presume. >I doubt it is a bad installation. Just sounds like a bug to me. It turned out this was a bug, to do with the effects of kerning in fonts on auto hyphenation. The fixed version of OP for Windows is available from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941