From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 6 14:37:21 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gh5UH-04fknw-03-CK6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:37:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gh5UH-04fknw-03-CK6; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:30:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gh5UH-04fknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:30:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gh5UF-00000I-K4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:30:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E65749E74E; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00426-04; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A348C49E8FD; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:29:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 06 Nov 2006 09:28:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7FBD49E74E for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32389-06 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 46AB349E8B7 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:28:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([87.244.68.245]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.5.0-7) with SMTP id KZK60938 for ; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:30:38 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: David Pilling From: Michael Talibard Subject: [softwarelist] TransRTF Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:28:59 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 777 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Most of the filters in ovationpro/resource are 32-bit compatible, but not !TransRTF. Any chance of this soon? Or ever? From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 6 14:37:25 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gh5aX-0lSknw-01-CDq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:37:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gh5aX-0lSknw-01-CDq; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:36:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gh5aX-0lSknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:36:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gh5ZV-0005pu-M6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:35:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 223D749E982; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:34:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01701-05; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:34:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65A8049E976; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 06 Nov 2006 09:34:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42E4049E896 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01592-04 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C009249E919 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-124-47.as15444.net [82.163.124.47]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kA6EYWfZ009621 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:34:33 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TransRTF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:32:42 GMT Message-ID: <105c91814e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 778 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 6 Nov 2006 Michael Talibard wrote: > > Most of the filters in ovationpro/resource are 32-bit compatible, > but not !TransRTF. Any chance of this soon? Or ever? FWIW it works fine with Aemulor Pro. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 6 14:47:23 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gh5fH-1cMknw-07-C96."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:47:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gh5fH-1cMknw-07-C96; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:41:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gh5fH-1cMknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:41:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gh5fF-0002CT-VS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:41:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B82D49E757; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03933-05-5; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 95CCF49C6E0; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 06 Nov 2006 09:40:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 560CE49D756 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03707-07-2 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E87D49E652 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:40:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gh5dt-0007mn-9e for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:40:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:40:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TransRTF Message-ID: <4e81921d63charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <105c91814e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <105c91814e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 779 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <105c91814e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 6 Nov 2006 Michael Talibard wrote: > > > > Most of the filters in ovationpro/resource are 32-bit compatible, > > but not !TransRTF. Any chance of this soon? Or ever? > FWIW it works fine with Aemulor Pro. but doesn't that mean the whole of OvPro has to use Ae Pro? -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 6 14:57:26 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gh5nF-3pd000-05-C18."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:57:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gh5nF-3pd000-05-C18; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:49:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gh5nF-3pd000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:49:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gh5nD-0005l2-98 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:49:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3219C49EA16; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05740-01; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8EDFD49E8E2; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:46:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 06 Nov 2006 09:45:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0B5449E68F for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05527-02 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E650549E7BC for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:45:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-124-47.as15444.net [82.163.124.47]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kA6Ek6pj009916 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:46:07 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TransRTF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:45:51 GMT Message-ID: <319092814e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <105c91814e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e81921d63charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e81921d63charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 780 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 6 Nov 2006 charles wrote: > In article <105c91814e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, > Dr Peter Young wrote: >> On 6 Nov 2006 Michael Talibard wrote: > >> > >> > Most of the filters in ovationpro/resource are 32-bit compatible, >> > but not !TransRTF. Any chance of this soon? Or ever? > >> FWIW it works fine with Aemulor Pro. > > but doesn't that mean the whole of OvPro has to use Ae Pro? Not according to what it tells me here; TransRTF just makes a very fleeting appearance in A Pro's tasks display while it does its stuff. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 6 15:07:24 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gh5yV-0jSknw-06-Bps."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:07:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gh5yV-0jSknw-06-Bps; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 15:01:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gh5yV-0jSknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 15:01:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gh5yV-00064e-2e for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 15:01:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9611E49EB60; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09747-04; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F3E249EAD8; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 06 Nov 2006 09:59:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 518D349EB60 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09592-02 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EDAD149EAFB for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gh5wO-000GWW-2n for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:59:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:59:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TransRTF Message-ID: <4e8193c931charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <319092814e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <105c91814e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e81921d63charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <319092814e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 781 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <319092814e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 6 Nov 2006 charles wrote: > > In article <105c91814e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, > > Dr Peter Young wrote: > >> On 6 Nov 2006 Michael Talibard wrote: > > > >> > > >> > Most of the filters in ovationpro/resource are 32-bit compatible, > >> > but not !TransRTF. Any chance of this soon? Or ever? > > > >> FWIW it works fine with Aemulor Pro. > > > > but doesn't that mean the whole of OvPro has to use Ae Pro? > Not according to what it tells me here; TransRTF just makes a very > fleeting appearance in A Pro's tasks display while it does its stuff. That is something I didn't realise that Ae Pro was able to do. Ae (basic) couldn't -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 6 16:07:28 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gh6s0-11I000-02-AwN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 16:07:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gh6s0-11I000-02-AwN; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 15:58:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gh6s0-11I000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 15:58:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gh6rs-0000gh-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 15:58:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90DF549F801; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29054-07; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3598349EDB6; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 06 Nov 2006 10:54:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 49B3F49F801 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28824-07 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id DF18B49F7F8 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([87.244.68.245]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.5.0-7) with SMTP id KAL00006 for ; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 15:57:06 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <105c91814e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <105c91814e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Talibard Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TransRTF Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:55:25 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 782 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 6 Nov 2006, at 14:32, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 6 Nov 2006 Michael Talibard wrote: > >> >> Most of the filters in ovationpro/resource are 32-bit compatible, >> but not !TransRTF. Any chance of this soon? Or ever? > > FWIW it works fine with Aemulor Pro. Thanks. I think I knew that - but I don't own AePro. Everything of significance (to me) except TransRTF works without it. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 6 17:37:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gh8Mo-1XlGPo-01-9RZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:37:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gh8Mo-1XlGPo-01-9RZ; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:34:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gh8Mo-1XlGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:34:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gh8Mn-0005tI-7q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:34:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 230C049FA18; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23503-03; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BCB9A49F9AB; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 06 Nov 2006 12:32:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 109F949FA22 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23131-05 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26D1249F1D0 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gh8LZ-0006eU-0Q for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:33:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:31:45 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TransRTF References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 783 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , Michael Talibard writes > >Most of the filters in ovationpro/resource are 32-bit compatible, >but not !TransRTF. Any chance of this soon? Or ever? Two things, TransRTF is a separate piece of code to OP, therefore I'd assume it can run under Aemulor. Second. I did an RTF loader for Windows. I can easily compile it for RISC OS, but no one has ever given any feedback on how they rate the Windows RTF filter (e.g. compared to the RISC OS one). (old story the original TransRTF was written for Beebug by someone who then vanished along with the source code). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 6 18:17:33 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gh8wz-0nK000-08-8rO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 18:17:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gh8wz-0nK000-08-8rO; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 18:12:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gh8wz-0nK000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 18:12:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gh8wz-0000Q7-4I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 18:12:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77F2E49F277; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01882-01; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EA3249EF98; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:10:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2A3C49F1FE for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01611-02 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B91749EF23 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.215.37.133] (vpn-133.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.133]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id kA6IApa2027584 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 18:10:57 GMT Message-ID: <454F7AAC.4030906@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 18:10:52 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TransRTF References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 784 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message , Michael > Talibard writes >> >> Most of the filters in ovationpro/resource are 32-bit compatible, >> but not !TransRTF. Any chance of this soon? Or ever? > > Two things, TransRTF is a separate piece of code to OP, therefore I'd > assume it can run under Aemulor. > > Second. I did an RTF loader for Windows. I can easily compile it for > RISC OS, but no one has ever given any feedback on how they rate the > Windows RTF filter (e.g. compared to the RISC OS one). A while ago I gave you some feedback on the Windows version (tho' not a comparison with the RISC OS one). It does a good job, so I'd say go ahead and compile it for RISC OS. -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 7 11:27:03 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GhCpu-2Ij000-02-DUz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:27:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GhCpu-2Ij000-02-DUz; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:20:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GhCpu-2Ij000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:20:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GhCpt-0004MP-5j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:20:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B72CB49FFC2; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30426-05; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F3E149FFE1; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:19:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 203D949FF7F for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30114-02 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D90D949FF7B for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GhCp9-000G7x-MW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:20:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 22:18:51 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TransRTF References: <454F7AAC.4030906@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <454F7AAC.4030906@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 785 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <454F7AAC.4030906@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >A while ago I gave you some feedback on the Windows version (tho' not a >comparison with the RISC OS one). It does a good job, so I'd say go >ahead and compile it for RISC OS. Yes, sorry, you're quite right you did offer some comments on the Windows RTF loader. I'll see what I can do then. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 7 11:27:09 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GhCxz-2bzGPo-08-DMu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:27:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GhCxz-2bzGPo-08-DMu; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:29:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GhCxz-2bzGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:29:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GhCxy-0005aV-VD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:29:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED7324A0031; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32370-06; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91D0A4A0050; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:27:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9264D4A0031 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:27:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32172-10 for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:27:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 3B10C49FFFC for ; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:27:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([87.244.68.245]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.5.0-7) with SMTP id KHK71810 for ; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:30:10 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3109D423-B79A-4964-9A36-DE142B895D88@talibard.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Talibard Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TransRTF Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 22:28:32 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 786 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 6 Nov 2006, at 17:31, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > I can easily compile it for RISC OS Great! But do charge us something for it! From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 7 19:57:22 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GhX1P-4drknw-06-AMW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 19:57:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GhX1P-4drknw-06-AMW; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:54:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GhX1P-4drknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:54:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GhX1O-0000Xt-RP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:54:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DE0A4A19CF; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23690-06; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1D934A18DC; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:52:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFEE54A1A11 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23496-07 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42FAF4A06C5 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061107195329.JLQA1865.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 19:53:29 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.12.171.49]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061107195329.NIXS644.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 19:53:29 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TransRTF To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:43:53 GMT Message-ID: <86af31824e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> References: <3109D423-B79A-4964-9A36-DE142B895D88@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: <3109D423-B79A-4964-9A36-DE142B895D88@talibard.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 787 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <3109D423-B79A-4964-9A36-DE142B895D88@talibard.com> Michael Talibard wrote: > > On 6 Nov 2006, at 17:31, David Pilling wrote: > [snip] > >> I can easily compile it for RISC OS > > Great! But do charge us something for it! > Here, here!!!!! Ralph -- Ralph & Valmai Stevens In leafy Epping From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 7 20:57:25 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GhXyg-0zSGPo-05-9PF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:57:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GhXyg-0zSGPo-05-9PF; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:55:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GhXyg-0zSGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:55:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GhXyg-0004MY-Fc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 20:55:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BACF4A21A4; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05825-03; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7CAE4A1DDC; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:54:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:53:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61A4C4A2129 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05562-05 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon-mail-4.gradwell.net (lon-mail-4.gradwell.net [193.111.201.130]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E81854A20FF for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:53:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony&pop3&vanderhoff&org) by lon-mail-4.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.237) id 4550f290.bb19.279 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:54:40 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:54:37 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TransRTF Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <86af31824e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> References: <3109D423-B79A-4964-9A36-DE142B895D88@talibard.com> <86af31824e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28k (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 788 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 7 Nov at 19:43 ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com wrote in message <86af31824e.ralph_valmai@ntlworld.com> > In message <3109D423-B79A-4964-9A36-DE142B895D88@talibard.com> > Michael Talibard wrote: > > > > > On 6 Nov 2006, at 17:31, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > > > >> I can easily compile it for RISC OS > > > > Great! But do charge us something for it! > > > > Here, here!!!!! where? -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 14 13:17:12 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gjy5H-0VgGPo-03-Cjw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:17:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gjy5H-0VgGPo-03-Cjw; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:12:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gjy5H-0VgGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:12:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gjy5G-00029z-Pn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:12:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47F874AA78E; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21651-01; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D72694AA6B5; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:11:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:10:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B072B4AA70D for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21528-06 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E7064AA6F1 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061114131143.HMQT27023.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:11:43 +0000 Received: from ntlworld ([82.29.50.162]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061114131157.MXUI11710.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:11:57 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro 2.77 memory To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:11:36 +0100 Message-ID: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 789 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Whilst processing a manual yesterday which consisted of 290 pages of draw files I ran out of memory in OvPro after about 50 pages. Not a real problem as I just used more documents of 50 pages each. However I have loads of memory free on my Iyonix so to increase the amount available to OvPro is it as simple as increasing the Wimpslot in the !Run file or is it not possible to allocate more memory to OvPro. -- JayCee From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 14 17:46:10 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GjyWx-01C000-07-CIG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:46:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GjyWx-01C000-07-CIG; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:40:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GjyWx-01C000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:40:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GjyWw-00003o-Hf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:40:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC2E74A9539; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:40:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27133-10; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:40:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85DED4AA3D9; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:40:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:39:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09E044A9539 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:39:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26959-07 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:39:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BAC274AA3C1 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:39:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GjyWD-000Clq-Af for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:40:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:39:20 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.77 memory References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 790 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com>, JayCee writes >Whilst processing a manual yesterday which consisted of 290 pages of >draw files I ran out of memory in OvPro after about 50 pages. > >Not a real problem as I just used more documents of 50 pages each. > >However I have loads of memory free on my Iyonix so to increase the >amount available to OvPro is it as simple as increasing the Wimpslot >in the !Run file or is it not possible to allocate more memory to >OvPro. wimpslot in !Run has nothing to do with how much memory there is available for documents. I would be inclined to look at the task manager and see what is going on with OP's dynamic area slot - how big is it, and while you're looking at the task manager how much free memory is there. Back to the dynamic area saga, there are utilities around that limit the max size to prevent the address problems - so if you've used one of those it may explain things. I suppose you might be running OP under aemulor in some sort of 26 bit mode where it can't use dynamic areas and in that situation the 32MB task slot limit applies. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 14 17:46:17 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GjyaL-0HN000-03-CEs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:46:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GjyaL-0HN000-03-CEs; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:44:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GjyaL-0HN000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:44:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GjyaI-0001RW-Kv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:44:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47FCD4AA57F; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27938-02; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB0074AA637; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:43:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:42:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E6E94AA57F for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:42:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27723-09 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:42:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A3984A99D9 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:42:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from 47.82.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.82.47] helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjyZZ-0004wi-QO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:43:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:43:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.77 memory Message-ID: <4e85ab889dgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 791 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com>, JayCee wrote: > Whilst processing a manual yesterday which consisted of 290 pages of > draw files I ran out of memory in OvPro after about 50 pages. > Not a real problem as I just used more documents of 50 pages each. > However I have loads of memory free on my Iyonix so to increase the > amount available to OvPro is it as simple as increasing the Wimpslot > in the !Run file or is it not possible to allocate more memory to > OvPro. Are you running Aemulor? If so, it limits the the available allowed wimpslot size for each application. When Aemulor is not running OPro should be able to use whatever memory is available when it needs it. You could have used referenced pictures and keep all the drawfiles on disc. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 14 17:46:22 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GjyzJ-211GPo-05-Bpu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:46:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GjyzJ-211GPo-05-Bpu; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:10:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GjyzJ-211GPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:10:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GjyzE-00007G-40 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:10:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 454BF4A8794; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:09:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02269-02-4; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:09:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B12A4AA8CA; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:09:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:08:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BEC224AA65D for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02118-01 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51A2A4A9D0D for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061114140907.MSGB15018.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:09:07 +0000 Received: from ntlworld ([82.29.50.162]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061114140903.ZRNO1848.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:09:03 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.77 memory To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:07:48 +0100 Message-ID: <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 792 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com>, JayCee > writes >>Whilst processing a manual yesterday which consisted of 290 pages of >>draw files I ran out of memory in OvPro after about 50 pages. >> >>Not a real problem as I just used more documents of 50 pages each. >> >>However I have loads of memory free on my Iyonix so to increase the >>amount available to OvPro is it as simple as increasing the Wimpslot >>in the !Run file or is it not possible to allocate more memory to >>OvPro. > > wimpslot in !Run has nothing to do with how much memory there is > available for documents. Just tried another document till it reported in a mesage from OvPro 'Not enough Memory'. The Size 126.93M > > I would be inclined to look at the task manager and see what is going on > with OP's dynamic area slot - how big is it, and while you're looking at > the task manager how much free memory is there. The OP dynamic area is 130244K Free is 325936K The next slot is set to 32000K In the system meory allocation it shows: dynamic areas 139204K applications free 357940K applications used 9256K > > Back to the dynamic area saga, there are utilities around that limit the > max size to prevent the address problems - so if you've used one of > those it may explain things. I am not using anything like that as far as I am aware > > I suppose you might be running OP under aemulor in some sort of 26 bit > mode where it can't use dynamic areas and in that situation the 32MB > task slot limit applies. No I am using it on an Iyonix and do not possess an aemulor. > > Thanks for replying Dave but don't bust a gut on this as I said I can split documents up with no problem. I guess this is just more for interest when I have so much free memory it seems odd for an application to run out. -- JayCee From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 14 17:55:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gk2TG-4G9000-07-GsT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:55:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gk2TG-4G9000-07-GsT; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:53:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gk2TG-4G9000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:53:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gk2TG-0007ZT-AU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:53:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DBDD74AB89C; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23984-01; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DF064AB80A; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:51:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB2214AB4F3 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23863-05 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 809B94AB7DA for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gk2SY-0005Xw-BM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:52:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:51:07 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.77 memory References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 793 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com>, JayCee writes >> Back to the dynamic area saga, there are utilities around that limit the >> max size to prevent the address problems - so if you've used one of >> those it may explain things. >I am not using anything like that as far as I am aware I'd be inclined to think about that kind of thing - I don't know off hand what the final position was - there was talk about some sort of patch that limited all dynamic areas, unless configured otherwise. I'd be inclined to see how far I could drag the max mem slot in SparkFS - I forget if you can drag the OP dynamic area slider. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 14 19:15:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gk3d9-08TVbs-02-Fia."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:15:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gk3d9-08TVbs-02-Fia; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:07:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gk3d9-08TVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:07:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gk3d7-00059N-0q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:07:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 346144ABD35; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09535-07; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7084A4ABD91; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:05:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 604314AB99C for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09419-03 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4CB174AB94F for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-183-87.as15444.net [82.163.183.87]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAEJ6PcQ026585 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:06:26 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.77 memory To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:59:17 GMT Message-ID: <2f74c8854e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 794 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 14 Nov 2006 David Pilling wrote: > In message <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com>, JayCee > writes >>> Back to the dynamic area saga, there are utilities around that limit the >>> max size to prevent the address problems - so if you've used one of >>> those it may explain things. >>I am not using anything like that as far as I am aware > > I'd be inclined to think about that kind of thing - I don't know off > hand what the final position was - there was talk about some sort of > patch that limited all dynamic areas, unless configured otherwise. > > I'd be inclined to see how far I could drag the max mem slot in SparkFS > - I forget if you can drag the OP dynamic area slider. I can't here; Iyonix OS 5.12. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 14 19:55:56 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gk4JB-3P5knw-05-F2Y."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:55:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gk4JB-3P5knw-05-F2Y; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:51:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gk4JB-3P5knw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:51:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gk4J5-0005ml-5R for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:51:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A07564ACD10; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:45:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18330-09; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:45:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E19B4ACD64; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:45:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:44:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 473834ACD10 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18194-06 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D4A94ACA7F for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:43:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [88.134.42.123] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1Gk4Cn2pwN-0003Bs; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:44:25 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.77 memory To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:45:44 +0100 Message-ID: References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 795 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com>, JayCee > writes >>> Back to the dynamic area saga, there are utilities around that limit the >>> max size to prevent the address problems - so if you've used one of >>> those it may explain things. >>I am not using anything like that as far as I am aware > > I'd be inclined to think about that kind of thing - I don't know off > hand what the final position was - there was talk about some sort of > patch that limited all dynamic areas, unless configured otherwise. Yes. The full story is as follows: On 26-bit versions of RISC OS and on ROL's 32-bit version, i.e., on anything except RISC OS 5, the application slot is limited to 28MB, so each application can only claim 28MB and that is it. Therefore, various applications have adopted the use of dynamic areas to allow users to use more memory than the OS limit. Unfortunately, this solution has a catch: Either, the application limits the size of the dynamic area when it creates it, but then it cannot use the whole of available RAM, which somehow defeats the purpose of using a dynamic area to start with. Or, it creates a maximum size dynamic area (size of all available RAM), but then, there is a huge problem with logical address space becoming exhausted. Please note that a dynamic area, once created, does not take away any actual memory, it just takes away a range of addresses reserved for the area, and the overall address range is just under 3.5GB, which seems a lot, but on a machine with 512MB (and this is what JayCee's memory figures imply) only 6 maximum size dynamic areas can be created, and some application create several areas! There is an additional problem with many applications and modules creating maximum size dynamic areas because the author was too lazy to set a limit. Some of these applications maybe only ever use 100k, but they would hog a massive 512MB of logical address space to do that. Clearly, this situation could be tolerated, so there had to be a fix (see below). As an aside: This whole problem does not happen with application memory where all applications share a common address space, which is precisely why applications should really use application memory. This is the reason why the increased application slot size of 512MB is such an important feature of RISC OS 5 (and the reason why ROL's 32-bit RISC OS is disappointing because in keeping the old 28MB limit it does not exploit one of the biggest benefits of going 32-bit). So, it turned out that on machines with large amounts of RAM, the dynamic area system was rendered almost useless, which is why the dynamic area clamp was invented. It allows the amount of memory given to "maximum size" areas to be limited to a specific value. There is another clamp that limits the size of dynamic areas created with explicit sizes, but this is less important because one can assume that applications quoting an explicit maximum size know what they are doing. So, JayCee, if your machine has 512MB and it does something useful at all, then it is highly likely that a dynamic area clamp is set up. You can read its value by typing the following in a TaskWindow: *Basic SYS "OS_DynamicArea",8,0,0,0 TO ,R1,R2,R3 PRINT R1/(1024*1024) PRINT R2/(1024*1024) The first figure it prints is probably 128, which means that the limit for maximum size areas is 128MB. So, if OvationPro creates a maximum size area (which I believe it does), then it can only ever use 128MB, no matter how much RAM is free. OvationPro could use more RAM if it created an area with an explicit size greater than 128MB, unless of course, the other clamp is set, too, which is the second figure displayed above (-1 means there is no limit set). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 15 11:34:07 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gk7rq-3TAknw-01-BTt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:34:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gk7rq-3TAknw-01-BTt; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:39:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gk7rq-3TAknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:39:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gk7rj-0004bZ-Bj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:39:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D98374ADB9F; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10301-01; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78DD54ADB97; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:37:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BD2F4AD13A for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:37:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10053-08 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:37:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF27E4AD1DB for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:37:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gk7qZ-0006t7-ES for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 23:37:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:09:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.77 memory Message-ID: <4e85d455adJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 796 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com>, JayCee wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > Back to the dynamic area saga, there are utilities around that > > limit the max size to prevent the address problems - so if you've > > used one of those it may explain things. > I am not using anything like that as far as I am aware This might be completely wrong, but I think there's something in the Iyonix boot sequence that limits DAs to 128MB. (I'm miles away from mine at the moment so can't check. I dunno if it applies to all levels of Iyo ROM etc; mine's not very uptodate. Might be worth searching !boot for "DA".) -- Jeremy C B Nicoll, Edinburgh, Scotland - my opinions are my own. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 15 18:08:19 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GkLOh-1uKVbs-04-F04."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:08:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GkLOh-1uKVbs-04-F04; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:05:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GkLOh-1uKVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:05:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GkLOh-0000fv-9U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:05:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7CC324AFE3E; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11118-08; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E8D14AFE9D; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:04:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC1444AFE3E for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10916-03 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD0EC4AFDFF for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GkLNy-0002Ve-9n for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:05:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:03:23 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.77 memory References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 797 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , David Pilling writes >I'd be inclined to see how far I could drag the max mem slot in SparkFS >- I forget if you can drag the OP dynamic area slider. Well right idea David, but no use in practice. Later versions of SparkFS are set up to not claim a dynamic area of the maximum size, and OP no longer has a slider you can drag. Thanks to Martin for taking the trouble to write out an explanation. I feel there should be somewhere that standard catches are written up. Dynamic areas are one such saga, PostScript printer drivers are another. It often takes many postings for the situation to be completely explained, and then a day later it can all start again. I have a (very big) book here "Windows XP Annoyances". Maybe someone could do a (slim) one for RISC OS. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 15 18:08:27 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GkMBp-2qsVbs-05-ECw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:08:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GkMBp-2qsVbs-05-ECw; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:56:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GkMBp-2qsVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:56:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GkMBp-0007cb-Ak for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:56:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 333694B01E8; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23458-02; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF9144B01FC; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:55:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC3324B00C9 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23308-08 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 496E64B00AF for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [88.134.42.123] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1GkMB31sDm-0004gX; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:55:51 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.77 memory To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:56:47 +0100 Message-ID: <651636864e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 798 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , David Pilling > writes >>I'd be inclined to see how far I could drag the max mem slot in SparkFS >>- I forget if you can drag the OP dynamic area slider. > > Well right idea David, but no use in practice. Later versions of SparkFS > are set up to not claim a dynamic area of the maximum size, and OP no > longer has a slider you can drag. > > Thanks to Martin for taking the trouble to write out an explanation. > > I feel there should be somewhere that standard catches are written up. > Dynamic areas are one such saga, PostScript printer drivers are another. > It often takes many postings for the situation to be completely > explained, and then a day later it can all start again. But fortunately, there are mailing list archives, so in the future, you could just point to http://www.freelists.org/archives/davidpilling/11-2006/msg00019.html for an explanation of the issue. Amongst all the technical information, one of the reasons for my posting was to point out that OvationPro could probably do better than it currently does by a) giving users an option whether to create a maximum size DA or a limited size DA with a configurable size b) using WimpSlot memory on systems without the 28MB memory limit ad a) Quite a few applications allow this to be set up in their !Run files, e.g., MessengerPro: | set Maximum dynamic area size to 64MB SetEval Messenger$DynamicAreaSize 64*1024*1024 So, OvationPro could be changed to only create a maximum size DA if OvationPro$DynamicAreaSize is unset and otherwise (i.e., if the variable is set) evaluate the variable to pass the user's preferred maximum size when creating the DA. This seemed like a good idea until I noticed that the standard DALimit program that is run as part of the boot sequence sets ALL dynamic area clamps to 128MB, so explicit claims for more than 128MB are clamped to 128MB, too. So, to allow OvationPro to use more than 128MB, the user would also have to increase the second clamp value in Choices.Boot.PreDesk.DALimit from 128*1024*1024 to the desired size (and hope that the second, less important, clamp was not really needed to stop the system from running out of logical address space). This makes it a slightly long-winded procedure to set up and the user would need to understand the address space issues, but then, it would only be needed by the very few users who really require OP to handle massive amounts of memory. ad b) It would be good if OvationPro could revert to using only standard WimpSlot memory when running on a system with big wimp slots (Wimp_ReadSysInfo 11 returns the maximum Wimp slot size). That would allow it to use 512MB when running on RISC OS 5 (without Aemulor) without any negative side effects. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 15 21:33:19 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GkSEp-12rVbs-08-GgS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:33:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GkSEp-12rVbs-08-GgS; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:24:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GkSEp-12rVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:24:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GkSEo-00057p-NM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:24:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D6454B226F; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15907-02; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2EDE4B2282; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:22:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3B0B4B226F for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15673-09 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FF784B215C for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GkSE2-0003G5-KK for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:23:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:22:33 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.77 memory References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <651636864e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <651636864e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 799 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <651636864e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner writes >But fortunately, there are mailing list archives, so in the future, >you could just point to > http://www.freelists.org/archives/davidpilling/11-2006/msg00019.html >for an explanation of the issue. Well yes, and you can Google the archives, however that is a little hard - often the information is spread out. >a) giving users an option whether to create a maximum size DA or a >limited size DA with a configurable size A few of my programs do this already - SparkFS, DPScan. >b) using WimpSlot memory on systems without the 28MB memory limit Again there is an option for DPScan to do this. However Ovation Pro will work better with two lots of memory - its wimp slot and its dynamic area. It doesn't have to work this way - obviously on older machines it has to use its wimp slot for everything. The dynamic area is used for documents and the wimp slot for workspace, you don't really want to shift 100MB of document just so that the workspace can expand (and then 20ms later contract). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 16 12:00:42 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GkTq4-1e2000-04-F5D."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:00:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GkTq4-1e2000-04-F5D; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:06:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GkTq4-1e2000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:06:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GkTpx-0006f8-Oa for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 23:06:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B67884AA578; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06843-05; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DD874AA481; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:05:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0733D4B277B for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06524-09 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:04:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.clear.net.nz (smtp4.clear.net.nz [203.97.37.64]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B39B54B2845 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:04:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix (218-101-17-10.dsl.clear.net.nz [218.101.17.10]) by smtp4.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0J8S00E8JO3NYL40@smtp4.clear.net.nz> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:04:35 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:07:17 +1300 From: "lists (ww)" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.77 memory In-reply-to: <4e85d455adJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4e8662fea1lists@ww.co.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e85d455adJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 800 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@ww.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 15 Nov, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > This might be completely wrong, but I think there's something in the > Iyonix boot sequence that limits DAs to 128MB. > (I'm miles away from mine at the moment so can't check. I dunno if > it applies to all levels of Iyo ROM etc; mine's not very uptodate. > Might be worth searching !boot for "DA".) I'm now experiencing lack of memory trying to view together two similar copies of a file, each about 67MB. If I watch the Task window as I load a series of OPro files, they all load up til Dynamic Areas,Ovation Pro gets to 130,800k or so. System memory allocations: Dynamic areas 144,300 Applications free 347,740 Applications used 10,522 To try to improve the situation I've removed the Aemulor module from boot.choices.boot.predesk, but I do have a variety of little utilities running. Might it be, though, the Iyonix DA 128MB limit? Brian RO 5.11 -- Auckland NEW ZEALAND From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 16 12:00:59 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GkXpr-0WnVbs-05-B5Q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:00:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GkXpr-0WnVbs-05-B5Q; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 03:22:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GkXpr-0WnVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 03:22:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GkXpq-0004EZ-AS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 03:22:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 737324B21F3; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20585-04; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B72094B2265; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:21:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38BEA4B202D for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20252-07 for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D017A4B1F7C for ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 22:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from orpheusnet.rwatki.orpheusnet.co.uk (du213-130-141-13.as15444.net [213.130.141.13]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAG3LlVJ010790 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 03:21:51 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.77 memory To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Richard Watkinson X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 02:40:24 GMT Message-ID: References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <651636864e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 801 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rwatki@orpheusmail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <651636864e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner > writes >>But fortunately, there are mailing list archives, so in the future, >>you could just point to >> http://www.freelists.org/archives/davidpilling/11-2006/msg00019.html >>for an explanation of the issue. > > Well yes, and you can Google the archives, however that is a little hard > - often the information is spread out. > >>a) giving users an option whether to create a maximum size DA or a >>limited size DA with a configurable size > > A few of my programs do this already - SparkFS, DPScan. > >>b) using WimpSlot memory on systems without the 28MB memory limit > > Again there is an option for DPScan to do this. However Ovation Pro will > work better with two lots of memory - its wimp slot and its dynamic > area. It doesn't have to work this way - obviously on older machines it > has to use its wimp slot for everything. > > The dynamic area is used for documents and the wimp slot for workspace, > you don't really want to shift 100MB of document just so that the > workspace can expand (and then 20ms later contract). > > I've been following this thread with interest but my gut feeling is that saving an OP document of 100Mb plus is not a good idea from the outset. Unless the 100Mb consists mainly of graphics there is too much at stake. Far better to save in smaller chapters for want of a better term as the original poster had done. -- Richard Watkinson Treasurer Sheffield Folk Festival http://www.sheffieldfolkfestival.org/ A kitten is for life... From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 16 12:10:18 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gkg13-23LVbs-01-BQk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:10:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gkg13-23LVbs-01-BQk; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:06:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gkg13-23LVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:06:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gkg13-0007k7-AH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:06:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2CD094B1A09; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16994-03; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB9184B18DA; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:05:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4E6E4B327B for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:05:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16395-04 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:05:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B67EC4B326F for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:05:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gkfzx-0003sl-HI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:05:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:04:19 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.77 memory References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e85d455adJeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> <4e8662fea1lists@ww.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4e8662fea1lists@ww.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 802 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e8662fea1lists@ww.co.nz>, "lists (ww)" writes >I'm now experiencing lack of memory trying to view together two >similar copies of a file, each about 67MB. >If I watch the Task window as I load a series of OPro files, they all >load up til Dynamic Areas,Ovation Pro gets to 130,800k or so. >Might it be, though, the Iyonix DA 128MB limit? Highly likely. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 16 12:10:18 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gkg2E-2R2Vbs-02-BPZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:10:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gkg2E-2R2Vbs-02-BPZ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:08:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gkg2E-2R2Vbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:08:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gkg2E-0006VA-37 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:08:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A9384B2C5C; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17207-01; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FFD14B2A6F; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:06:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 813284B1000 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17048-02 for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FD934AF67D for ; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 07:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gkg1K-0004Ij-IB for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:07:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:05:50 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro 2.77 memory References: <0f21a3854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <1d46a8854e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <651636864e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 803 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , Richard Watkinson writes >I've been following this thread with interest but my gut feeling is >that saving an OP document of 100Mb plus is not a good idea from the >outset. >Unless the 100Mb consists mainly of graphics there is too much at >stake. >Far better to save in smaller chapters for want of a better term as >the original poster had done. Yes, lots of chapters, like the way the OP manual is done, or reference the graphics. I guess that no one is going to reach 100MB with text alone. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 19 11:53:09 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Glkqs-1mJVbs-05-Cn3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 11:53:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Glkqs-1mJVbs-05-Cn3; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 11:28:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Glkqs-1mJVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 11:28:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Glkqs-0004nA-6l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 11:28:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2679C4BB651; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:27:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21379-10; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:27:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C56844BB76E; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:27:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57ED94BB651 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21301-07 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BFF44BB0BB for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 19 Nov 2006 11:28:02 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKrNX0XUSnInh2dsb2JhbACBR4sAAQEJDio Received: from 88-105-186-40.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.186.40]:10034 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Glkq9-0009cH-LA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 11:28:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 11:28:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] File problems Message-ID: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 804 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I had an interesting OvPro problem today. I've been doing some disk house keeping this past week, to both the Hds on this SARPC. Today I opened a quite old backup directory containing an OvPro file and a copy of that file. Double clicked... A bit of HD activity then nothing, computer completely frozen, no escape with Alt-Break... needed the reset button. Tried a couple of times, but freezer every time on both the main file and the backup. Dragged the file to Zap, it displayed in Zap, so it wasn't a filer problem, but just wouldn't work with my OvPro (V 2.77). Shoved it across the entwork to the XP machine and Win OvPro it loaded straight away, with just one font substitution (The font does exist on the RO machine). Examined the file, it is something I need, so I do a Save back... Trundle my chair to the other end of the desk and wohay! the file will now load into the RO OvPro. I still have no idea what was causing the problem, but pleased it's resolved. Cheers Dave S PS: The original file was created in OvPro 2.55 Nov 1999. -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 19 12:02:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GllNL-2LEVbs-06-CGa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 12:02:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GllNL-2LEVbs-06-CGa; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 12:02:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GllNL-2LEVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 12:02:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GllNL-0006ZT-6Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 12:02:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BE5404BB83F; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 07:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25429-04; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 07:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A1B94BB86A; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 07:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Nov 2006 07:00:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC8914BB857 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 07:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25185-01 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 07:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 84C144BB623 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 07:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GllMb-00074i-Gf for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 12:01:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 12:00:16 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: File problems References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 805 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes writes >I had an interesting OvPro problem today. >Shoved it across the entwork to the XP machine and Win OvPro it loaded >straight away, with just one font substitution (The font does exist on the >RO machine). >Examined the file, it is something I need, so I do a Save back... Trundle >my chair to the other end of the desk and wohay! the file will now load >into the RO OvPro. No idea. There are problems in documents which OPW fixes, so you could have had one of those. The DDL version springs to mind, but if you can't load the doc. on RISC OS you can't save it. Saving and reloading on Windows would clean up the document - however you'd lose any missing fonts and apparently what you did fixed the document. 2.55 is rather an old version of OP, so more problems than with current ones. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 19 22:06:24 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Glr5C-1ZIVbs-06-F5F."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:06:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Glr5C-1ZIVbs-06-F5F; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:07:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Glr5C-1ZIVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:07:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Glr5A-0004Nm-2p for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:07:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DEFA4B781B; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:07:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28586-08; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:07:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FEA74BAE77; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:07:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:06:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0FCE4B781B for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28371-07 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25B724B77F7 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.8] (81-179-103-122.dsl.pipex.com [81.179.103.122]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D082CE0002F5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:07:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: File problems From: Bernard G Hill To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:07:04 +0000 Message-Id: <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 806 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: berni@zionundy.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Can anyone help with running OP under Wine on Linux? When I attempt to run OP I always get the following error message: Invalid name (FindFirstFile)(123) (\Colours\*.*) The file 'Colours' is present. It is quite likely that my system is not correctly set up. Any help with this would be much appreciated; but help must be in the form of a blow by blow account of the steps I need to take. I find that the printing output from Scribus is a bit weak in that multiple pages on one sheet and pamphlet printing and the like are not supported. How I would love OP to be a native Linux program. In any case, I find Scribus much more difficult to use as many other things which are easy to accomplish in OP, I cannot do or find very difficult with Scribus. The main attraction of Scribus is PDF output. I would be very happy to pay for the WinOP version but must be able to run on Linux. I am pretty sure that someone is running OP under Linux. Thanks in advance. Berni. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 19 22:06:27 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Glrf4-2xbGPo-02-EVN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:06:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Glrf4-2xbGPo-02-EVN; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:45:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Glrf4-2xbGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:45:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Glrf4-0004bg-8C for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:45:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4F484BB1DE; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02842-05; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C7214BAF34; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:43:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77D574BB1DE for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:43:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02686-06 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:43:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon-mail-4.gradwell.net (lon-mail-4.gradwell.net [193.111.201.130]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 10E174BB19E for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 13:43:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony^pop3#vanderhoff&org) by lon-mail-4.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.237) id 4560a5ff.1689c.e for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:44:15 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 18:44:14 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: File problems Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28k (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 807 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 19 Nov at 18:07 Bernard G Hill wrote in message <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> > Hi, > > Can anyone help with running OP under Wine on Linux? > > When I attempt to run OP I always get the following error message: Invalid > name (FindFirstFile)(123) > (\Colours\*.*) > > The file 'Colours' is present. > > It is quite likely that my system is not correctly set up. > > Any help with this would be much appreciated; but help must be in the form > of a blow by blow account of the steps I need to take. > > I find that the printing output from Scribus is a bit weak in that > multiple pages on one sheet and pamphlet printing and the like are not > supported. How I would love OP to be a native Linux program. In any case, > I find Scribus much more difficult to use as many other things which are > easy to accomplish in OP, I cannot do or find very difficult with Scribus. > The main attraction of Scribus is PDF output. > > I would be very happy to pay for the WinOP version but must be able to run > on Linux. I am pretty sure that someone is running OP under Linux. > > Thanks in advance. Berni. > I agree with you, my dream would be to continue to use OP, and I wish I could be more encouraging. I also agree that Linux is desperately short of a good native DTP, and it would be ideal if OP could fill that gap. I made a very serious attempt a year or so ago at running OP under wine, and even paid for the windows version. However, there were just too many niggling problems to use it on a production basis, and I gave up in the end. David has indicated that he may put in some work to resolve the incompatibilities, but I believe he got sidetracked from this intention. David, would you be interested in discussing a commercial tie-up to port OP to QT/Linux? -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Nov 19 22:26:10 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Glv0C-0Krknw-05-BAF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:26:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Glv0C-0Krknw-05-BAF; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:19:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Glv0C-0Krknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:19:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Glv0B-0003tF-7J for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:19:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B8153ABDEE; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16242-02; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:18:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE3434B8D10; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:17:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FBB84BB2E2 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15907-01 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EB784B89F5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GluzS-0008nY-GF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:18:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:17:02 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: File problems References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 808 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , Tony van der Hoff writes >David has indicated that he may put in some work to resolve the >incompatibilities, but I believe he got sidetracked from this intention. >David, would you be interested in discussing a commercial tie-up to port OP >to QT/Linux? I've got a PC here which I rebuilt and then installed Linux on. I installed it, and that was it, never turned it on since, due to non-computing events. I am open to offers. I suspect I would be happier with Linux than I am with Windows. However as an outsider (to Linux) I don't understand the market. I don't understand the Windows market come to that. As to QT... the problem is that DTP depends very intimately on the operating system. Although OP was written for RISC OS with no thoughts of portability, moving it to Windows would not have been much work - except for how close one has to get to Windows. For example you can't just paint text on screen, if you do it looks awful, you've got to start fiddling with how many pixels appear between characters - that is just one example it goes on and on. So does QT offer the sort of control that is needed? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. 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FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 20 11:46:30 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GlvD9-0xKknw-08-AxI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:46:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GlvD9-0xKknw-08-AxI; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:32:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GlvD9-0xKknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:32:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GlvD9-0007UF-B3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:32:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19ED04BB6D1; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18329-07; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A02454BBD4B; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:30:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DEEB4BB6D1 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18192-01 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04B904BB661 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.8] (81-179-101-101.dsl.pipex.com [81.179.101.101]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C28E000082 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:31:42 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:31:14 +0000 From: Bernard G Hill User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060922) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 809 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: berni@zionundy.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message , Tony van > der Hoff writes >> David has indicated that he may put in some work to resolve the >> incompatibilities, but I believe he got sidetracked from this intention. >> David, would you be interested in discussing a commercial tie-up to >> port OP >> to QT/Linux? > > I've got a PC here which I rebuilt and then installed Linux on. I > installed it, and that was it, never turned it on since, due to > non-computing events. > > I am open to offers. I suspect I would be happier with Linux than I am > with Windows. However as an outsider (to Linux) I don't understand the > market. I don't understand the Windows market come to that. > > As to QT... the problem is that DTP depends very intimately on the > operating system. Although OP was written for RISC OS with no thoughts > of portability, moving it to Windows would not have been much work - > except for how close one has to get to Windows. > > For example you can't just paint text on screen, if you do it looks > awful, you've got to start fiddling with how many pixels appear > between characters - that is just one example it goes on and on. > > So does QT offer the sort of control that is needed? > > Not being a programmer I can offer no help in this area; I am just a program user who is very appreciative of the work which is done by people like yourself. The Linux community is very helpful, so I am sure that if you asked the bright boys who know about the system and what it can do, I am certain that they will give you every assistance. Berni. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 20 11:47:24 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gm5lD-4HmVbs-06-8vk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:47:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gm5lD-4HmVbs-06-8vk; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:48:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gm5lD-4HmVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:48:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gm5lC-0005Gc-W9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:48:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CDD54BBDCA; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 04:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27358-03; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 04:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BCA64BBE62; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 04:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Nov 2006 04:46:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 512714BBDCA for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 04:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27121-01 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 04:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8D114BBD83 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 04:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [88.134.42.123] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1Gm5kM0GL9-00039d; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:47:26 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:48:07 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 810 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> Bernard G Hill wrote: > Not being a programmer I can offer no help in this area; I am just a > program user who is very appreciative of the work which is done by > people like yourself. The Linux community is very helpful, so I am sure > that if you asked the bright boys who know about the system and what it > can do, I am certain that they will give you every assistance. Oh yes, they will - as long as you work on open source software... Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 20 11:47:33 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gm6as-0vN000-06-Gcb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:47:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gm6as-0vN000-06-Gcb; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:41:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gm6as-0vN000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:41:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gm6ar-0001zw-FQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:41:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 079444BBCF6; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03464-10; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4C984BB8E8; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:40:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC39A4BBD66 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:40:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03272-06 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:40:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon-mail-4.gradwell.net (lon-mail-4.gradwell.net [193.111.201.130]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E56D4BBD49 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:40:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony^pop3#vanderhoff^org) by lon-mail-4.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.237) id 45618638.a233.106 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:40:56 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:40:52 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: File problems Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28k (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 811 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 19 Nov at 22:17 David Pilling wrote in message > In message , Tony van der > Hoff writes > > David has indicated that he may put in some work to resolve the > > incompatibilities, but I believe he got sidetracked from this intention. > > David, would you be interested in discussing a commercial tie-up to port > > OP to QT/Linux? > > I've got a PC here which I rebuilt and then installed Linux on. I > installed it, and that was it, never turned it on since, due to > non-computing events. > > I am open to offers. I suspect I would be happier with Linux than I am > with Windows. However as an outsider (to Linux) I don't understand the > market. I don't understand the Windows market come to that. > 'Understanding' the various markets is a tall order for anyone. I believe the Linux market to be much more web orientated than, say, Windows, which tends to rely on popular mags to get the message across. Whilst Linux is becoming more established on the Desktop, the market is much smaller than Windows (But, of course, very significantly larger than Risc OS, and unlike the latter, is growing exponentially). There tends to be a bias in favour of FOSS, although there are some very powerful commercial applications around. The only DTP of any significance is Scribus, and whilst free, is highly ideosyncratic, and offers only a tiny fraction of what OP can do. I believe there is room for a 'killer' DTP app on Linux, and that OP could well be that package. But , what do I know? > As to QT... the problem is that DTP depends very intimately on the > operating system. Although OP was written for RISC OS with no thoughts of > portability, moving it to Windows would not have been much work - except > for how close one has to get to Windows. > Now there I have no immediate answer. My feeling is that, given OP renders quite nicely under wine, a native implementation can only do better. I also rather suspect that the work you've put in to the Windows port (Presumably Visual Studio) will be very helpful in a Linux port. Linux, (and, for that matter, QT) has a very great advantage in being open source, and proximity to the OS is very much more transparent than Windows, and there is also very much more opportunity to examine the source of other graphics packages, notably the Gimp, to see how others have tackled specific problems. Realistically, I'm sure there is a lot of work involved, which may come to nought, but you have proved it can be done for Windows. From my experience, whilst the GNU/Linux tools are not as polished as the Windows ones, the underlying OS is much easier to work with, and if anything, must be easier than what you have successfully achieved. However, in the end it will be a matter of 'suck it and see', I'm afraid. > For example you can't just paint text on screen, if you do it looks awful, > you've got to start fiddling with how many pixels appear between > characters - that is just one example it goes on and on. > > So does QT offer the sort of control that is needed? > No, QT is just a set of GUI libraries. It's benefit is providing the necessary infrastructure of windows, system calls, etc for the desktop system. There are other libraries out there to facilitate graphics programming, which may help provide the necessary control over screen rendering. You have the advantage of intimate knowledge of the application and its requirements, and my inclination would be to let you get on with the job you have magnificantly performed over the years. However, with all respect, you appear to have become, I hope only temporarily, stalled for various reasons. I also believe that having built a machine, and installed Linux, is a far step from porting a major application to it, even for a man of your undoubted ability. I believe it would take at least a year of quite intense use of the system to become sufficiently familiar with it to contemplate such a project. So, with no knowledge of the internals of OP, but with some years experience of developing for GNU/Linux, I'm offering you a helping hand. I really don't know how successful it'll be, but I'm prepared to give it a try. I must own up to not being entirely altruistic. For a start, I have been running a systems consultancy which has used OP for all of its technical documentation, for many years, and having built up en extensive library of templates and style sheets, I would like to continue to do so. Since my in-house systems are all Linux based, having to fire up my trusty Risc PC, or my bastard Windows laptop is a disincentive to getting the documentation written. Secondly, I would expect some quid-pro-quo, over which I'll go to private email. Thirdly, This would be an ideal project for my next step into the depths of Linux application programming. -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 20 11:47:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gm6rf-1Qmknw-04-GLo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:47:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gm6rf-1Qmknw-04-GLo; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:59:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gm6rf-1Qmknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:59:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gm6re-0000Qv-J2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:59:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 247E04BC116; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06038-06; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3DD64BC204; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:57:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32EC24BC116 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05835-05 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from lon-mail-4.gradwell.net (lon-mail-4.gradwell.net [193.111.201.130]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B83994BC10D for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 05:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from magpieway.net ([87.127.17.194] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net country=GB ident=tony$pop3*vanderhoff*org) by lon-mail-4.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.237) id 45618a4b.84f1.12e for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:58:19 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:58:18 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.28k (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 812 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 20 Nov at 9:48 Martin Wuerthner wrote in message > In message <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> > Bernard G Hill wrote: > > > Not being a programmer I can offer no help in this area; I am just a > > program user who is very appreciative of the work which is done by > > people like yourself. The Linux community is very helpful, so I am sure > > that if you asked the bright boys who know about the system and what it > > can do, I am certain that they will give you every assistance. > > Oh yes, they will - as long as you work on open source software... > What one gets out is directly proportional to what one puts in :) -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 20 14:16:15 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gm9re-0g5000-06-DLp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:16:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gm9re-0g5000-06-DLp; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:11:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gm9re-0g5000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:11:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gm9qO-0000oM-Jl for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:09:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EEA34BC35B; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:09:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04306-03; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D3C24BC356; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:09:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:08:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D84C4BC2F0 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04160-03 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C9FB4BBA9E for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gm9pg-000MAL-B6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:09:12 +0000 Message-ID: <0s01JDCsabYFFwb0@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:07:40 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 813 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Thinking of a Linux version of OP. I'd be interested to hear how people rate the following points as why Ovation Pro for Windows is not more popular: (1) Doesn't look and feel like a Windows program e.g. no support MDI mode (all documents are child windows of a big window) (2) Lack of DTP features - e.g. tables (3) Lack of dedicated Windows support e.g. OLE (4) On going problems or bugs that have not been fixed e.g. little bits of text not redrawn correctly (5) Too good on RISC OS file formats e.g. Draw and not good enough on Windows formats e.g. WMF/EMF (6) A full version of Quark Express came on this months Computer Shopper CD (7) Old fashioned - e.g. should have things like XML and Unicode built in from the start. Only people who don't use OP on Windows and who have never used RISC OS should reply. And you can't tick "all of the above". 8-) I (as a RISC OS user) am happy to use OP on Windows for all my word processing/DTP needs. The problem is making the program appeal to those who have no background in RISC OS. This is relevant because some of the same problems are likely to arise on Linux. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 20 21:56:36 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GmH0A-0yT000-08-Ejp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:56:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GmH0A-0yT000-08-Ejp; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:48:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GmH0A-0yT000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:48:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GmH0A-0006EW-DJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:48:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2AA7C4BC5B2; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05357-04; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3F054BC5D9; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:46:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A0E24BC5B2 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05282-01 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16A7D4BC496 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.8] (81-178-212-184.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.212.184]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D857E000429 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:47:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux From: Bernard G Hill To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: <0s01JDCsabYFFwb0@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> <0s01JDCsabYFFwb0@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:47:42 +0000 Message-Id: <1164059262.6455.18.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 814 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: berni@zionundy.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 14:07 +0000, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Thinking of a Linux version of OP. I'd be interested to hear how people > rate the following points as why Ovation Pro for Windows is not more > popular: > > (1) Doesn't look and feel like a Windows program e.g. no support MDI > mode (all documents are child windows of a big window) > (2) Lack of DTP features - e.g. tables > (3) Lack of dedicated Windows support e.g. OLE > (4) On going problems or bugs that have not been fixed e.g. little bits > of text not redrawn correctly > (5) Too good on RISC OS file formats e.g. Draw and not good enough on > Windows formats e.g. WMF/EMF > (6) A full version of Quark Express came on this months Computer Shopper > CD > (7) Old fashioned - e.g. should have things like XML and Unicode built > in from the start. > > Only people who don't use OP on Windows and who have never used RISC OS > should reply. And you can't tick "all of the above". 8-) > > I (as a RISC OS user) am happy to use OP on Windows for all my word > processing/DTP needs. The problem is making the program appeal to those > who have no background in RISC OS. > > This is relevant because some of the same problems are likely to arise > on Linux. > > I am not sure that the points which you have raised are particularly significant. The program is very easy to use and the small niggles which you refer to are not sufficient to account for a low take-up. For my two-pennyworth, I think that OP was too late on the scene. Most professional houses were already into Quark or Pagemaker, with all their files committed to those formats. Now the lower price market has taken to PagePlus with its aggressive cut price marketing. It may be too late now, but if you had gone straight for a Linux version you would have been so much earlier on the scene and as the program is exceptionally easy to use, has many really excellent features which make for good productivity, it could well have been a killer app. And everything in Linux is not for free. Sorry to be such a wet blanket; I would much rather be encouraging especially as you have provided such a first rate Desktop Publisher and supported the users so well. Berni. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 21 12:28:21 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GmUhO-3F7knw-04-9Z7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:28:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GmUhO-3F7knw-04-9Z7; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:26:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GmUhO-3F7knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:26:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GmUhK-0003ns-HN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:26:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 409BB4BDC86; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03996-01; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AD354BDC74; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:24:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C44364BDC01 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03768-03 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DD724BDBF3 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GmUg5-0001sG-Hk for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:24:48 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:22:55 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> <0s01JDCsabYFFwb0@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1164059262.6455.18.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1164059262.6455.18.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 815 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <1164059262.6455.18.camel@localhost>, Bernard G Hill writes >For my two-pennyworth, I think that OP was too late on the scene. Most Yes fair enough. It was (is) late. We got it out on RISC OS in 1997, it could just as easily have been on Windows. That is a point to consider for Linux, however it is not something one can now do something about for Windows. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 21 12:48:18 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GmUyr-0V6Vbs-04-9He."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:48:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GmUyr-0V6Vbs-04-9He; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:44:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GmUyr-0V6Vbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:44:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GmUyr-0002Mp-49 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:44:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 491844BDD85; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07996-03-2; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C9064BDD91; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:42:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 679AA4BDB00 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07726-06 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp13.wxs.nl (smtp13.wxs.nl [195.121.247.4]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 342334BD8A4 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix.delink.speed.planet.nl (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp13.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.07 (built Jun 24 2005)) with ESMTP id <0J92007V0ZC44T@smtp13.wxs.nl> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:43:17 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:43:13 +0100 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux In-reply-to: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4e8940e015Paul@sprie.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> <0s01JDCsabYFFwb0@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1164059262.6455.18.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 816 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Paul@sprie.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > That is a point to consider for Linux, however it is not something one > can now do something about for Windows. Could that possibly mean that we will have you back? Full time programming for RISC OS? That would be a very happy thought. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 21 13:28:28 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GmVbu-0UUGPo-02-8eb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:28:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GmVbu-0UUGPo-02-8eb; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:24:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GmVbu-0UUGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:24:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GmVbt-0005v6-Q4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:24:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 154D14BD846; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15117-04; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B945A4BD753; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:22:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 330604BD846 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14855-09 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.52]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01B544BD77C for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [90.155.90.170] (helo=standalone.Ashlan) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmVbB-0001PP-9Z for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:23:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:23:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux Message-ID: <4e89448d13philco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e8940e015Paul@sprie.nl> References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> <0s01JDCsabYFFwb0@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1164059262.6455.18.camel@localhost> <4e8940e015Paul@sprie.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 817 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 21 Nov, Paul Sprangers wrote: > In article , David Pilling > wrote: > > That is a point to consider for Linux, however it is not something > > one can now do something about for Windows. > Could that possibly mean that we will have you back? Full time > programming for RISC OS? That would be a very happy thought. Now dont be getting our hopes up Paul Phil -- philco@heter.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 21 13:38:20 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GmVgI-1nnVbs-05-8aD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:38:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GmVgI-1nnVbs-05-8aD; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:28:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GmVgI-1nnVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:28:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GmVgH-0007UI-E1 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:28:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BCBE4BDA6E; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15981-09; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B035D4BDA6D; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:27:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70B924BDA6E for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15785-09 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 133F54BDA11 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GmVfY-0000xb-8R for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:28:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:25:58 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux Message-ID: <30ca44894e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk><0s01JDCsabYFFwb0@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1164059262.6455.18.camel@localhost> <4e8940e015Paul@sprie.nl> In-Reply-To: <4e8940e015Paul@sprie.nl> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 818 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 21 Nov, Paul Sprangers wrote: >=20 > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >=20 > > That is a point to consider for Linux, however it is not something > > one can now do something about for Windows. >=20 > Could that possibly mean that we will have you back? Full time > programming for RISC OS? That would be a very happy thought. On thin air? Starving in a garret? What sort of happy thought is that? --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 21 13:58:27 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GmW7D-0BU000-01-Gfo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:58:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GmW7D-0BU000-01-Gfo; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:56:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GmW7D-0BU000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:56:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GmW7D-00059p-Bx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:56:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 884074BDCEC; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21609-01; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 097974BDCBE; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:55:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34DCF4BDCA4 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:55:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21389-08 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:55:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EFE3B4BDA56 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:55:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GmW69-0001yV-Hl for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:55:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:53:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux Message-ID: <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <30ca44894e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk><0s01JDCsabYFFwb0@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1164059262.6455.18.camel@localhost> <4e8940e015Paul@sprie.nl> <30ca44894e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 819 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 21 Nov, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 21 Nov, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > In article , > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > That is a point to consider for Linux, however it is not something > > > one can now do something about for Windows. > > > > Could that possibly mean that we will have you back? Full time > > programming for RISC OS? That would be a very happy thought. > On thin air? Starving in a garret? What sort of happy thought is that? David has not taken the opportunities to release regular charged-for upgrades nor to have someone represent him (and only him) at shows. If he did those - and advertised - then he would have income. Of course there is a problematic balance between income and time spent/expenditure - but David could certainly increase his income from RISC OS development. A charged for upgrade to his other programs would also help with a decent bit of marketing. -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 21 17:08:30 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GmYzU-1HF000-02-DnX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:08:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GmYzU-1HF000-02-DnX; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:01:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GmYzU-1HF000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:01:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GmYzP-00033Z-Nr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:00:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B70C4BE813; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:00:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29853-02-2; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:00:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF2CC4BE81C; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:59:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4E9A4BE7A2 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29700-06 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA4F64BE78A for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GmYyb-000OSy-EM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:00:08 +0000 Message-ID: <9Eh3TOD4AzYFFwYB@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:58:32 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> <0s01JDCsabYFFwb0@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1164059262.6455.18.camel@localhost> <4e8940e015Paul@sprie.nl> <30ca44894e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 820 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell writes >David has not taken the opportunities to release regular charged-for upgrades >nor to have someone represent him (and only him) at shows. If he did those - Funnily enough when I read the previous postings I was about to say that I'd got the latest copy of Quercus today and felt inspired by it to do something for RISC OS. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 21 17:18:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GmZ7l-0mSGPo-06-DfG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:18:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GmZ7l-0mSGPo-06-DfG; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:09:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GmZ7l-0mSGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:09:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GmZ7j-0004iN-OJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:09:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC6844BE1A5; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:08:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31908-05; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:08:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 803114BE18F; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:08:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:08:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CE294BD447 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31718-09 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E455C4BDEBF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:07:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.dsl.pipex.com (85-210-199-63.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.199.63]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583B6E000619 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:08:46 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:05:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux Message-ID: <4e89536b90rkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk><0s01JDCsabYFFwb0@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1164059262.6455.18.camel@localhost> <4e8940e015Paul@sprie.nl> <30ca44894e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 821 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rkp@par.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > On 21 Nov, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > David has not taken the opportunities to release regular > charged-for upgrades nor to have someone represent him (and only > him) at shows. If he did those - and advertised - then he would > have income. Of course there is a problematic balance between > income and time spent/expenditure - but David could certainly > increase his income from RISC OS development. A charged for upgrade > to his other programs would also help with a decent bit of > marketing. Hear, hear! There is money waiting in our hot fists for RISC OS improvements, as Martin Wuerthner continually proves. Regards, Richard Partridge. -- Richard Partridge rkp@par.me.uk From john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Tue Nov 21 17:58:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GmZmp-0oiknw-01-D0C."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:58:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GmZmp-0oiknw-01-D0C; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:51:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GmZmp-0oiknw-01 for david@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:51:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.83] (helo=anchor-fallback-96.mail.demon.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GmZmp-0002zh-Pq for david@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:51:59 +0000 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.85]:1875 "EHLO anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net") by anchor-fallback-96.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id S440409AbWKURvz (ORCPT ); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:51:55 +0000 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GmZmj-000Fo4-I8 for david@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:51:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:37:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux Message-ID: <4e895bc933john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9Eh3TOD4AzYFFwYB@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> <0s01JDCsabYFFwb0@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1164059262.6455.18.camel@localhost> <4e8940e015Paul@sprie.nl> <30ca44894e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <9Eh3TOD4AzYFFwYB@pilling.demon.co.uk> Return-Receipt-To: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 21 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell > writes > >David has not taken the opportunities to release regular charged-for > >upgrades nor to have someone represent him (and only him) at shows. If he > >did those - > Funnily enough when I read the previous postings I was about to say that > I'd got the latest copy of Qercus today and felt inspired by it to do > something for RISC OS. First advert free! ;-) -- John Cartmell john@finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 or 0161 969 9820 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 21 21:40:19 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GmaYX-1HHknw-06-CEU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:40:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GmaYX-1HHknw-06-CEU; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:41:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GmaYX-1HHknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:41:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GmaYP-0001lv-6u for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:41:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E46F54BE7F1; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20981-02-3; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E3F34BE80B; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:38:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20B194BD8AC for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20725-05 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 3A1CA4BE6C4 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 81360 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2006 18:39:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Subject:To:From:X-Editor:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To:X-Organization:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lflcM/ojAnPTSVq8+sbdB3gl/QTXefFtl6DI5Bj/OnhfKQVd4vtMGYafjjmwvDngRXOql5DLz+jP28sbQBooJd/Y+jTGxW06UGvsJD3v1q106IK23tvRomle03Za9d4kIPShBkBBxHOceu3MveeVHvI30CektV+lXiV4TlKIeMA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO iyonix.btopenworld.com) (doug.j.webb@btinternet.com@86.144.226.35 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2006 18:39:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: M.LmuHsVM1kZ8AE07eoPanbyn_KmnF5xqg2HlxIkr3Ad6_Iq80mO4hEq9J07IEBcg3WnABLWiG0T1saseDUkrMyZYIOfM54t4484nprFBstKrkeJgKJzxaOoOGoreyiyV3RAhG1ayUJr3tSpCZXA6O1rBrVBaGNn Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Doug Webb X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:39:32 GMT Message-ID: <447f61894e.dougjwebb@btopenworld.com> References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> <0s01JDCsabYFFwb0@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1164059262.6455.18.camel@localhost> <4e8940e015Paul@sprie.nl> <30ca44894e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <9Eh3TOD4AzYFFwYB@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9Eh3TOD4AzYFFwYB@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 822 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: doug.j.webb@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <9Eh3TOD4AzYFFwYB@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell > writes >>David has not taken the opportunities to release regular charged-for upgrades >>nor to have someone represent him (and only him) at shows. If he did those - > > Funnily enough when I read the previous postings I was about to say that > I'd got the latest copy of Quercus today and felt inspired by it to do > something for RISC OS. David, It would be an excellent move if you were to do some more work on OPro. I'm sure that those who were holding out for ImpressionX would also then have even more of an incentive to purchase OPro. Martin does an excellent job at upgrading EasiWriter and Artworks and a similar support approach for OPro would be an excellent addition to the range of regularly updated software. Doug -- Using a Iyonix PC 512Mb, RISC OS5.12, !NetFetch & !MessengerPro. All based on UK technology, No Windows here From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 21 21:40:22 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gmapa-3EHknw-08-BxR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:40:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gmapa-3EHknw-08-BxR; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:58:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gmapa-3EHknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:58:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GmapV-0004uO-2k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:58:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D23E44BEEBF; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25370-03-2; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 104624BEF2E; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:56:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0591E4BEEBF for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25219-04 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:56:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E61D4BEE56 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-183-87.as15444.net [82.163.183.87]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kALIvAgp001461 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:57:10 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:45:11 GMT Message-ID: <8b0362894e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> <0s01JDCsabYFFwb0@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1164059262.6455.18.camel@localhost> <4e8940e015Paul@sprie.nl> <30ca44894e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <9Eh3TOD4AzYFFwYB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <447f61894e.dougjwebb@btopenworld.com> In-Reply-To: <447f61894e.dougjwebb@btopenworld.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.12) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 823 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 21 Nov 2006 Doug Webb wrote: > In message <9Eh3TOD4AzYFFwYB@pilling.demon.co.uk> > David Pilling wrote: > >> In message <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell >> writes >>>David has not taken the opportunities to release regular charged-for upgrades >>>nor to have someone represent him (and only him) at shows. If he did those - >> >> Funnily enough when I read the previous postings I was about to say that >> I'd got the latest copy of Quercus today and felt inspired by it to do >> something for RISC OS. > David, > > It would be an excellent move if you were to do some more work on > OPro. > > I'm sure that those who were holding out for ImpressionX would also > then have even more of an incentive to purchase OPro. > > Martin does an excellent job at upgrading EasiWriter and Artworks and > a similar support approach for OPro would be an excellent addition to > the range of regularly updated software. And I am sure many of us would make our money talk in this respect, too. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 21 21:40:30 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gmb1b-2ZZVbs-04-BlQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:40:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gmb1b-2ZZVbs-04-BlQ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:11:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gmb1b-2ZZVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:11:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gmb1I-0007Hc-P7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:11:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFA2D4BDC6D; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:07:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27223-07; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:07:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5594B4BE471; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:07:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:07:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2E794BDC6D for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27036-02 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6828C4BDBE3 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:06:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061121190746.BGEI27023.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:07:46 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.4.4.147]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061121190753.GZCM644.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:07:53 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:07:06 GMT Message-ID: <430564894e.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> <0s01JDCsabYFFwb0@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1164059262.6455.18.camel@localhost> <4e8940e015Paul@sprie.nl> <30ca44894e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <9Eh3TOD4AzYFFwYB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <447f61894e.dougjwebb@btopenworld.com> <8b0362894e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8b0362894e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 824 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <8b0362894e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 21 Nov 2006 Doug Webb wrote: > >> In message <9Eh3TOD4AzYFFwYB@pilling.demon.co.uk> >> David Pilling wrote: >> >>> In message <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell >>> writes >>>>David has not taken the opportunities to release regular charged-for >>>>upgrades >>>>nor to have someone represent him (and only him) at shows. If he did those - >>> >>> Funnily enough when I read the previous postings I was about to say that >>> I'd got the latest copy of Quercus today and felt inspired by it to do >>> something for RISC OS. >> David, >> >> It would be an excellent move if you were to do some more work on >> OPro. >> >> I'm sure that those who were holding out for ImpressionX would also >> then have even more of an incentive to purchase OPro. >> >> Martin does an excellent job at upgrading EasiWriter and Artworks and >> a similar support approach for OPro would be an excellent addition to >> the range of regularly updated software. > > And I am sure many of us would make our money talk in this respect, > too. > Absolutely Alan -- Rev. Dr. Alan G.C.Leighton Priory Lodge, 86b Church Lane Eston, TS6 9QR From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 21 21:40:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gmbeb-2ltVbs-08-B8Q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:40:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gmbeb-2ltVbs-08-B8Q; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:51:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gmbeb-2ltVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:51:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gmbea-0007Tr-5o for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:51:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EEF24BEC0F; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:50:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04175-04; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:50:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A45DC4BEDDF; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:50:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12E924BEA5A for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:50:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03796-01 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:50:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 962C64BE807 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:50:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gmbdm-000Fp7-10 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:50:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:50:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux Message-ID: <4e89680365mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <430564894e.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> <0s01JDCsabYFFwb0@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1164059262.6455.18.camel@localhost> <4e8940e015Paul@sprie.nl> <30ca44894e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <9Eh3TOD4AzYFFwYB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <447f61894e.dougjwebb@btopenworld.com> <8b0362894e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <430564894e.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 825 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <430564894e.alan@ntlworld.com>, Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <8b0362894e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Dr Peter > Young wrote: > > On 21 Nov 2006 Doug Webb wrote: > >> a similar support approach for OPro [on RISC OS] > >> would be an excellent addition to the range of regularly > >> updated software. > > And I am sure many of us would make our money talk in this > > respect, too. > Absolutely Indeed. But this has been said by several of us several times before. Peter Newble. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 21 21:40:33 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gmbjm-2MQGPo-02-B3F."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:40:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gmbjm-2MQGPo-02-B3F; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:56:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gmbjm-2MQGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:56:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gmbjl-0003R0-Gm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:56:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0506E4BEE26; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05363-05-5; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0140F4BEE0C; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:55:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 455C64BECFE for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05205-05 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:55:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 774464BD941 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 21 Nov 2006 19:44:52 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAACnoYkXUSnIvnmdsb2JhbACMTgEBAgcOKg Received: from 88-105-168-56.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.168.56]:11079 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GmbY4-0006Gp-1R for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:44:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:41:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux Message-ID: <4e89673124dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e89536b90rkp@par.me.uk> References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk><0s01JDCsabYFFwb0@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1164059262.6455.18.camel@localhost> <4e8940e015Paul@sprie.nl> <30ca44894e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <4e89536b90rkp@par.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 826 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4e89536b90rkp@par.me.uk>, Richard Partridge wrote: > Hear, hear! > There is money waiting in our hot fists for RISC OS improvements, as > Martin Wuerthner continually proves. > Regards, > Richard Partridge. And as the New Impression Publisher seems to have gone the way of an O sounding browser... More power to Mr D's elbow. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 21 21:40:40 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gmcow-0w5000-05-9y5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:40:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gmcow-0w5000-05-9y5; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:06:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gmcow-0w5000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:06:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gmcot-0002wW-BG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:06:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 008E34BC1EB; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22683-09; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:05:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F4F24BD620; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:05:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:04:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E5534BF828 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22073-06 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.bordernet.com.au (mail.bordernet.com.au [203.221.25.2]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id A446F4BF819 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:04:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16472 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2006 08:05:03 +1100 Received: from unknown (HELO Annascue.farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au) (203.123.117.198) by mail.bordernet.com.au with SMTP; 22 Nov 2006 08:05:03 +1100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Ross McGuinness X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 05:08:04 +0900 Message-ID: <289a69894e.farmstay@farmstay.proxy.omninet.net.au> References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> <0s01JDCsabYFFwb0@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1164059262.6455.18.camel@localhost> <4e8940e015Paul@sprie.nl> <30ca44894e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <9Eh3TOD4AzYFFwYB@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9Eh3TOD4AzYFFwYB@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 827 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: farmstay@denmarkwa.com.au Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <9Eh3TOD4AzYFFwYB@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell > writes >>David has not taken the opportunities to release regular charged-for upgrades >>nor to have someone represent him (and only him) at shows. If he did those - > > Funnily enough when I read the previous postings I was about to say that > I'd got the latest copy of Quercus today and felt inspired by it to do > something for RISC OS. Please make compiling an index simpler than the current system: enter index mode, select word, click, index added to Would I pay for that! > > > > -- Ross and Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 22 11:33:08 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gmf2E-3pOknw-06-GHJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:33:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gmf2E-3pOknw-06-GHJ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:28:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gmf2E-3pOknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:28:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gmf2E-00047o-JH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:28:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E7354BEED4; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19215-08; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DD0F4BED09; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:26:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 715C24BEED4 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19146-05 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 411E94BEE07 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [87.114.14.211] (helo=Time1) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1Gmf1W-0008Tm-VP for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:27:31 +0000 Message-ID: <005101c70dc4$c24b3bd0$6401a8c0@Time1> From: "Keith Hampton" To: Subject: [softwarelist] OPro Development Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:28:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 828 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: keith@hamptoncastles.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David We also pine for chargeable upgrades to OPro. Please, please! I have my wife's consent because we all use it on both Risc OS and Windows! Keith & Karen Hampton plus Emily, Sophie & Kirsty New Malden Surrey From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 22 12:12:58 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gmqol-0RY000-03-D1I."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:12:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gmqol-0RY000-03-D1I; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:03:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gmqol-0RY000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:03:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gmqol-0003s9-5L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:03:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E69B4BFB95; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20316-10; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB60A4BFBBC; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:01:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9953B4BFBB9 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20076-04 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26E7E4BFBFF for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gmqnf-000ET2-HA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:02:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:59:12 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP on Linux References: <4e88325400dfs@ukgateway.net> <1163959624.6081.17.camel@localhost> <4560DB32.5020803@zionundy.me.uk> <0s01JDCsabYFFwb0@pilling.demon.co.uk> <1164059262.6455.18.camel@localhost> <4e8940e015Paul@sprie.nl> <30ca44894e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e89474c24john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <9Eh3TOD4AzYFFwYB@pilling.demon.co.uk> <447f61894e.dougjwebb@btopenworld.com> <8b0362894e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8b0362894e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 829 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <8b0362894e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young writes >And I am sure many of us would make our money talk in this respect, >too. You're all very kind, thanks for the encouragement. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 27 17:39:13 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Goha1-062knw-06-94k.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:39:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Goha1-062knw-06-94k; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:35:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Goha1-062knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:35:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GohZx-0006MT-5u for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:35:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D51054BFC35; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10736-04; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 908F34BFC29; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:33:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E1F014C1AD1 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10325-05 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 710BD4C1AF1 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061127143509.VUDL27023.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:35:09 +0000 Received: from ntlworld ([82.29.53.229]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061127143540.GXPV26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:35:40 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Linking pages To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:31:52 +0100 Message-ID: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 830 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net I appreciate that you can't link master pages together by yourself but when you have the linking tool on a link is shown between master pages however f you fill the first one with text it doesn't automatically go onto the second page when it is full. I cannot find a way to get it to automatically go on to the next page, is there a way to do it or have I upset a setting somewhere? -- JayCee From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 27 17:49:08 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GokYJ-0YnVbs-03-Ecy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:49:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GokYJ-0YnVbs-03-Ecy; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:45:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GokYJ-0YnVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:45:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GokYI-0001j7-2B for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:45:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 521D34C23A2; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:45:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23571-05; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:45:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 027374C232B; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:45:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:44:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 587044C23A6 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23454-09 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22A6D4C23A2 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GokXY-000GlW-AE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:45:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:44:08 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Linking pages References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 831 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com>, JayCee writes >I appreciate that you can't link master pages together by yourself but >when you have the linking tool on a link is shown between master pages >however f you fill the first one with text it doesn't automatically go >onto the second page when it is full. It depends... What do you mean by "you can't link master pages together by yourself"? You can't link pages, you can only link frames on pages. So which frames are we talking about? Links on master pages come in two types - autolink (frames autolinked can't contain text on the master pages, but will automatically create new pages when text is put into them in the document), and normal links (these frames can contain text in the master pages). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 27 17:59:09 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GokfN-0dBVbs-04-EVu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:59:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GokfN-0dBVbs-04-EVu; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:53:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GokfN-0dBVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:53:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GokfM-0004s6-1s for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:53:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 716134C23BD; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:52:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24682-08; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:52:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 247714C23A2; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:52:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:51:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6F1C4C23C4 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24396-05 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A34C04C23B5 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.dsl.pipex.com (85-210-243-88.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.243.88]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6024E000A0E for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:52:03 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 17:51:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Linking pages Message-ID: <4e8c742500rkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 832 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rkp@par.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com>, JayCee wrote: > I appreciate that you can't link master pages together by yourself > but when you have the linking tool on a link is shown between > master pages however f you fill the first one with text it doesn't > automatically go onto the second page when it is full. > I cannot find a way to get it to automatically go on to the next > page, is there a way to do it or have I upset a setting somewhere? I think you need the manual p95 (section 8.3). To make a master page produce a new one automatically when more space is needed, you link the master frame back to itself. However, this only works with empty frames; the text has to go into the document after you have finished editing the master page. If you want text to repeat on each page, put it in a separate, unlinked, master frame. You can of of course only have one master page active per chapter. On my version of Ovation Pro it's not possible to make a link between two master pages. Or have I misunderstood the problem? Regards, Richard Partridge. -- Richard Partridge rkp@par.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Nov 27 18:09:09 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GokoE-2SvVbs-07-EN3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:09:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GokoE-2SvVbs-07-EN3; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:02:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GokoE-2SvVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:02:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GokoB-0003tk-5V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:02:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DED7F4C258E; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26922-05; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F37F4C2546; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:00:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DCB04C25AE for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26713-04 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A52F34C2572 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:00:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061127180147.CAMF1865.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:01:47 +0000 Received: from ntlworld ([82.29.53.229]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061127180213.LMDH26699.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:02:13 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Linking pages To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:00:05 +0100 Message-ID: <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 833 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com>, JayCee > writes >>I appreciate that you can't link master pages together by yourself but >>when you have the linking tool on a link is shown between master pages >>however f you fill the first one with text it doesn't automatically go >>onto the second page when it is full. > > It depends... > > What do you mean by "you can't link master pages together by yourself"? > > You can't link pages, you can only link frames on pages. So which frames > are we talking about? Sorry I wasn't very clear was I - I hav a document which has one frame on a master page so a new document brngs up a normal page with just the one master frame on it. When this is full of text I thought it should automatically create a new page for the text to flow onto but it doesn't. If I 'add a page' then another page appears with just the master frame on it again but I cannot get the text to flow from page 1 to page 2 even though when the linking tool is turned on an arrow is shown between the two master frames. > > Links on master pages come in two types - autolink (frames autolinked > can't contain text on the master pages, but will automatically create > new pages when text is put into them in the document), and normal links > (these frames can contain text in the master pages). Autolink seems to be what I am looking for. I have just experimented and if I click on the iconbar icon >then it does as I described ie doesn't create a new page and flow >automatically but if I click and select 'new' then it does work >as expected. >Is this the normal action? I wouldn't think so, but when you click on the icon bar icon you're create a new copy of the default document (something which you create and save from the file menu), when you click on 'new' you're creating a document from scratch. So all this may come down to you've created an unusual default document. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 28 12:30:27 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gp24J-1DJGPo-05-EA0.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:30:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gp24J-1DJGPo-05-EA0; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:28:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gp24J-1DJGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:28:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gp24I-00056H-M3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:28:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C4364C3050; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03745-10; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 414104C2F91; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:26:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEE344C3050 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03518-02 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A1194C3037 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061128122751.ZWKS15018.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:27:51 +0000 Received: from ntlworld ([82.29.53.229]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061128122803.BKAK219.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:28:03 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Linking pages To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:24:07 +0100 Message-ID: <417cd48c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 835 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com>, JayCee > writes >>Sorry I wasn't very clear was I - I hav a document which has one frame >>on a master page so a new document brngs up a normal page with just >>the one master frame on it. When this is full of text I thought it >>should automatically create a new page for the text to flow onto > > Only if the frame is an autolinked one. > >> but >>it doesn't. If I 'add a page' then another page appears with just the >>master frame on it again but I cannot get the text to flow from page 1 >>to page 2 even though when the linking tool is turned on an arrow is >>shown between the two master frames. > > Odd behaviour. > >>Autolink seems to be what I am looking for. > > On the master pages, select the link tool. An auto linked frame should > have an arrow back into itself - and if it does not you can create such > a link. If you create an auto link OP will ask for confirmation and if > you select an auto link and press delete it will again ask for > confirmation. > >>I have just experimented and if I click on the iconbar icon >>then it does as I described ie doesn't create a new page and flow >>automatically but if I click and select 'new' then it does work >>as expected. >>Is this the normal action? > > I wouldn't think so, but when you click on the icon bar icon you're > create a new copy of the default document (something which you create > and save from the file menu), when you click on 'new' you're creating a > document from scratch. > > So all this may come down to you've created an unusual default document. You are right David and I aologise for wasting your time, if I had thought about it logically I should have looked at my default document first and as you rightly said I have somehow managed to save a different one - I have been changing some master pages lately in documents and I guess I must have clicked on save as default without realising it. Thanks for the replies. For your info, in case anyone else experiences it, I have been getting more than normal crashes with OP lately but have narrowed it down to realising that it only hapens after I have used !SiteMatch and !FTPc so they are somehow clashing with OP - not a problem when you know as I just reset the machine every time after I have updated mny website. -- JayCee From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 28 13:50:30 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gp3I1-2i4knw-01-CwI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:50:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gp3I1-2i4knw-01-CwI; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:46:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gp3I1-2i4knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:46:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gp3I1-0003H2-6U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:46:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 307CC4C2E0C; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:45:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19723-01; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:45:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB3034C2B35; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:44:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86C794C3157 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19447-09 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C17284C2F48 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.142] (helo=anti-virus02-09) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gp3HH-0006MC-FX for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:45:39 +0000 Received: from [82.34.222.136] (helo=Iyonix) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gp3HG-0003MZ-C7 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:45:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:45:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Linking pages Message-ID: <4e8ce1640fjohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 837 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@acornusers.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , JayCee wrote: > For your info, in case anyone else experiences it, I have been > getting more than normal crashes with OP lately but have narrowed it > down to realising that it only hapens after I have used !SiteMatch > and !FTPc so they are somehow clashing with OP - not a problem when > you know as I just reset the machine every time after I have updated > mny website. Interesting; though I don't seem to have had this problem myself, using the same combination for website updating. The versions I have are: Ovation Pro : 2.77 FTPc : 1.41 SiteMatch : 1.13 As I am currently producing several quite large and fairly complex documents in OvPro (all over 10 MB in size, in case that is relevant) it does seem that I am putting at least /some/ pressure on the system here, so I wonder whether it really is SiteMatch/FTPc that are the issue: they might be more in the way of a symptom than a cause, I suspect. -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 28 14:00:31 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gp3R7-3wR000-06-CnC.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:00:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gp3R7-3wR000-06-CnC; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:55:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gp3R7-3wR000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:55:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gp3R6-00057K-0f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:55:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0F134C3388; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22009-01; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BB714C319C; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:54:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 556364C31E0 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21685-04 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24A864C3206 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gp3Pr-000LeD-0b for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:54:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:53:21 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Linking pages References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 838 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , JayCee writes >This does work as you say it should with the exception that OP does >not ask me for confirmation either on creating or deleting an >autolink. Choices->General->Give Warnings You can turn warnings off... >You are right David and I aologise for wasting your time, if I had >thought about it logically I should have looked at my default document You can ferret around inside !OvnPro and delete the default document if you want to get back to the standard state. >For your info, in case anyone else experiences it, I have been getting >more than normal crashes with OP lately but have narrowed it down to >realising that it only hapens after I have used !SiteMatch and !FTPc >so they are somehow clashing with OP - not a problem when you know as >I just reset the machine every time after I have updated mny website. A very difficult thing to resolve. ISTR we had another episode of comments like this a while back. I wonder if anyone has ever written a program to check the internal state of RISC OS. Since if you really want to say running program A upsets program B then it can only happen by program A changing the state of the OS. I can think of one example, programs written in C will often poke bytes into location zero, and RISC OS will carry on running. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 28 16:10:38 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gp5U5-2teGPo-04-AkE.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:10:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gp5U5-2teGPo-04-AkE; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:07:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gp5U5-2teGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:07:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gp5U2-0006HU-0D for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:07:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D5E9C4C25E1; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19479-03-4; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81B884C2683; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:05:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F00334C25E1 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19316-03 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 981654C251E for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl89-213-14-224.as15444.net [89.213.14.224]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with SMTP id kASG5rLj002195 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:06:01 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:49:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OPro 2.76 Message-ID: <4e8cecc50dray@rayfavre.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 839 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@rayfavre.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net I've just experienced a repeatable printing error that I have not come across before. I was printing a multi-page document using !Printers 1.62 and RO4.39 on a SARPC. The error is: "Overflow while transforming point". I isolated the problem page by trial and error and found that the error was repeatable (in fact, two consecutive pages gave the same error). Both had similar embedded graphics - screen-shots of menus. I saved one of the pages as DDL and when I double-clicked this DDL it would not load and gave the error 'Unknown object at 116' I then saved the graphics as Drawfiles and deleted them completely from the document - which then printed OK. I then dragged the drawfiles back into the document at the same places and now it printed OK. However, I noticed that the size of the re-loaded drawfiles on the page were now smaller (70% approx) than in the original document (100%), although there is plenty of space in the frame for them to be full size. I adjusted them back to 100% and it still printed OK So, the problem is now removed - but I'd welcome some ideas on what caused it in the first place. (BTW, the original document was a conversion from Impression, which prints both pages OK.) -- Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Nov 28 17:20:41 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gp6cM-1ub000-08-9bx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:20:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gp6cM-1ub000-08-9bx; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:19:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gp6cM-1ub000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:19:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gp6cL-0004UF-QW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:19:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B90354C392B; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03879-09; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 610094C3916; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:18:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27E7B4C3C4A for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03634-07 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7FB34C3C48 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gp6bd-0004Dx-Bi for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:18:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:17:33 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro 2.76 References: <4e8cecc50dray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e8cecc50dray@rayfavre.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 840 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e8cecc50dray@rayfavre.me.uk>, Ray Favre writes >I was printing a multi-page document using !Printers 1.62 and RO4.39 >on a SARPC. >"Overflow while transforming point". Usually this occurs when a bit map contains too many pixels, and ISTR is associated with Computer Concepts software, e.g. printer drivers. >I saved one of the pages as DDL and when I double-clicked this DDL it >would not load and gave the error 'Unknown object at 116' Sounds like a bug. Possibly a corrupt document, possibly a bug which I fixed recently (you're not using the latest version of OP). How do you save a page as DDL? - I think you can only save stories or documents. I don't think this is applicable in this case, but if you ever have a Draw file which is odd, then loading it into Draw, saving it and reloading is a good way of fixing it. You can do that from inside OP by using the OLE feature, Control+Double click. >However, I noticed that the size of the re-loaded drawfiles on the >page were now smaller (70% approx) than in the original document >(100%), although there is plenty of space in the frame for them to be >full size. I adjusted them back to 100% and it still printed OK Usually when you load a picture it is scaled to fit the frame - what is scaled to fit will be the bounding box of the picture, which is not always the same size as the bounding box of what you see. In other words many Draw files have a large white box at the back. >(BTW, the original document was a conversion from Impression, which >prints both pages OK.) That does carry a lot of implications. For example the original Impression document may be corrupt, or odd, or the Impression loader may have some kind of bug in it. Again might be worth getting the latest Impression loader. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 29 17:51:22 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpRhK-2gIGPo-05-E6X.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:51:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpRhK-2gIGPo-05-E6X; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:50:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpRhK-2gIGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:50:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpRhJ-0005v4-U0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:50:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 688814C4EF2; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:49:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23460-01; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:49:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11E064C4153; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:49:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:48:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F21284C515C for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23190-04 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2BC24C4E54 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl89-213-14-224.as15444.net [89.213.14.224]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with SMTP id kATFmoSj006802 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:48:58 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:18:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro 2.76 Message-ID: <4e8d6dcd86ray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4e8cecc50dray@rayfavre.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 841 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@rayfavre.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4e8cecc50dray@rayfavre.me.uk>, Ray Favre > writes > >I was printing a multi-page document using !Printers 1.62 and > >RO4.39 on a SARPC. "Overflow while transforming point". > How do you save a page as DDL? - I think you can only save stories > or documents. Sorry, I should have said that I selected the contents of the whole page and saved the selection as DDL - which you can do. > >(BTW, the original document was a conversion from Impression, > >which prints both pages OK.) > That does carry a lot of implications. For example the original > Impression document may be corrupt, or odd, or the Impression > loader may have some kind of bug in it. Again might be worth > getting the latest Impression loader. Many thanks for clues. I'll upgrade to latest OPro and Loader and check again. -- Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 29 17:51:26 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpTKy-0ilGPo-02-CSt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:51:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpTKy-0ilGPo-02-CSt; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:35:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpTKy-0ilGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:35:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpTKw-0007Nj-OG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:35:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64F5E4C5831; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:34:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15805-10; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:34:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F3D74C585A; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:34:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:33:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF57E4C5831 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15600-07 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 810954C578E for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl89-213-14-224.as15444.net [89.213.14.224]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with SMTP id kATHY79w009567 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:34:15 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:33:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OPro 2.76 Message-ID: <4e8d7a1c92ray@rayfavre.me.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 842 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@rayfavre.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Just a follow-up..... I upgraded to 2.77 and latest !TransImp - then converted the Impression Publisher (4.13) original document to OPro again. Same problem (and same solution) - so I guess it is something not right in the conversion or the particular graphics are odd in some way. I'm still puzzled by the strange, unwanted resizing of the drawfile graphics though. This time I saved the screenshots from the Impression original; deleted them from the OPro version; saved, closed and re-opened the OPro version (now without the offending graphics); then dragged in the drawfiles. (This got rid of the printing issue. Both loaded at 70.55% size - in the original & OPro conversion they were 100%. (There is plenty of space for 100%, if we are talking about the bounding box visible in !Draw.) Interestingly, OPro was a tad bolshie about me trying to resize them to 100% and once said it had to quit due to a problem whilst I was doing it. But next time it accepted the change OK. Printing was still OK. I sounds like the graphics have something odd about them but they are straight screenshots from !Paint. The issue is puzzling rather than a show-stopper. -- Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 29 17:51:26 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpTRH-1NCGPo-03-CMa.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:51:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpTRH-1NCGPo-03-CMa; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:41:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpTRH-1NCGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:41:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpTRH-00003Z-9I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:41:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF2B84C4D32; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17487-05; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E4C34C4DB0; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:40:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67A2E4C4D32 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17335-08-2 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6FFE4C4D3A for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:40:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [88.134.53.69] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1GpTQY3j8p-0003Ff; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:40:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro 2.76 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:42:20 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4e8cecc50dray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 843 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <4e8cecc50dray@rayfavre.me.uk>, Ray Favre > writes >>I was printing a multi-page document using !Printers 1.62 and RO4.39 >>on a SARPC. >>"Overflow while transforming point". > > Usually this occurs when a bit map contains too many pixels, and ISTR is > associated with Computer Concepts software, e.g. printer drivers. Which would mean that either there is an ArtWorks file involved or TurboDrivers. Ray, can you confirm this? Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 29 18:01:17 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpTg6-21BGPo-04-C7l.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:01:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpTg6-21BGPo-04-C7l; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:57:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpTg6-21BGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:57:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpTg1-0007NB-6I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:57:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B315D4C51B1; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23091-04-6; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E10A34C52E9; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:55:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B20074C4EB8 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:55:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22330-03-4 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:55:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 968394C518B for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GpTf6-000Dkt-9r for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:56:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:54:27 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro 2.76 References: <4e8d7a1c92ray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e8d7a1c92ray@rayfavre.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 844 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e8d7a1c92ray@rayfavre.me.uk>, Ray Favre writes >I upgraded to 2.77 and latest !TransImp - then converted the >Impression Publisher (4.13) original document to OPro again. Is it possible to let me have a copy of the document? Private email or put it on a web page if you want everyone to have a look. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 29 20:31:25 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpVyn-0D0Vbs-01-9p4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:31:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpVyn-0D0Vbs-01-9p4; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:24:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpVyn-0D0Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:24:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpVyi-00019k-LG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:24:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46E1D4C581A; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:23:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23699-05-4; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:23:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3D624C5A95; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:22:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5BF824C581A for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:22:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23480-04 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:22:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 236244C5A39 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.51.145.120] (helo=a9) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GpVxQ-0001Ak-9K for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:23:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robin Hampshire To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:22:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] StylePal and Nudge Applets in OPW Message-ID: <4e8d89a3a4robin@brushford.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 845 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: robin@brushford.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net I've just started with OPW after using OP(R) for many years. I've looked back over my own archive of this (and the previous) DP software mailing list, but can't find reference to what I'm about to ask, so apologies if either of them have already been covered. First of all, StylePal (Style Pallet). I have the Style Pallet installed in the applet manager (OPW), and it is active, but when I click on its menu entry I get an error: (GetWindowLongPtr)(1400) The menu item is then ticked (as though it were being displayed), but nothing appears on screen. Any ideas? The second query is a request: Does an applet equivalent to the !Nudge applet exist for OPW? It is one of the most useful things I have for OP(R). regards, -- Robin Hampshire robin@brushford.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 29 22:01:29 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpXLl-2q9GPo-03-Gyc.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:01:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpXLl-2q9GPo-03-Gyc; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:52:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpXLl-2q9GPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:52:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpXLl-0002C4-GX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:52:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60F6F4C51E6; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09895-01; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9C1E4C50E9; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:50:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37A1B4C5111 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09756-04 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0136C4C4EED for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GpXL2-000E6r-2x for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:51:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:50:13 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: StylePal and Nudge Applets in OPW References: <4e8d89a3a4robin@brushford.com> In-Reply-To: <4e8d89a3a4robin@brushford.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 846 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e8d89a3a4robin@brushford.com>, Robin Hampshire writes >First of all, StylePal (Style Pallet). I have the Style Pallet installed >in the applet manager (OPW), and it is active, but when I click on its >menu entry I get an error: >(GetWindowLongPtr)(1400) It does that for me too, looks like a bug, I will investigate. >The second query is a request: Does an applet equivalent to the !Nudge >applet exist for OPW? It is one of the most useful things I have for >OP(R). I've copied some of the functionality for OPW, you'll find that the cursor keys move frames around if they're not being used for something else. In addition you can use ALT + cursor keys all the time to move things. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 29 22:21:34 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpXem-08aGPo-06-Gfb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:21:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpXem-08aGPo-06-Gfb; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:11:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpXem-08aGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:11:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpXem-0002EP-0Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:11:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 637E74C557B; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13492-07-2; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0CCC4C551D; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:11:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:10:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14EF24C52FE for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:10:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13309-09 for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:10:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA4004C54CA for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:10:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from 182.115.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.115.182] helo=standalone) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpXe3-0006O6-6I for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:11:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:10:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: StylePal and Nudge Applets in OPW Message-ID: <4e8d938621gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e8d89a3a4robin@brushford.com> References: <4e8d89a3a4robin@brushford.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 847 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4e8d89a3a4robin@brushford.com>, Robin Hampshire wrote: > The second query is a request: Does an applet equivalent to the !Nudge > applet exist for OPW? It is one of the most useful things I have for > OP(R). Not yet! but it's on my to-do list. It won't be till the new year before I get to even think about starting the OPW version of Nudgepal, due to other projects going on. But I do miss the Nudgepal features myself when working in OPW, so it is something that will get done eventually. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 13:43:05 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpgxZ-29nVbs-08-FtK.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:43:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpgxZ-29nVbs-08-FtK; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:07:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpgxZ-29nVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:07:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpgxU-0006hk-EN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:07:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05A024C443D; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10738-04; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B50E34C5225; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:05:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 233CE4C443D for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10598-03 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B37B4C448D for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.51.145.120] (helo=a9) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Gpgw0-0002Ez-UW for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:06:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robin Hampshire To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:55:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: StylePal and Nudge Applets in OPW Message-ID: <4e8dc9134arobin@brushford.com> In-Reply-To: <4e8d938621gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4e8d89a3a4robin@brushford.com> <4e8d938621gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 849 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: robin@brushford.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4e8d938621gav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford wrote: > > The second query is a request: Does an applet equivalent to the !Nudge > > applet exist for OPW? It is one of the most useful things I have for > > OP(R). > Not yet! but it's on my to-do list. > It won't be till the new year before I get to even think about starting > the OPW version of Nudgepal, due to other projects going on. > But I do miss the Nudgepal features myself when working in OPW, so it is > something that will get done eventually. Thank you - looking forward to that. In the meantime, it's nice to learn that /some/ of the functionality is available from the cursor keys. regards, -- Robin Hampshire robin@brushford.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 13:43:07 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gpgxj-0j8GPo-04-FtA.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:43:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gpgxj-0j8GPo-04-FtA; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:08:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gpgxj-0j8GPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:08:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gpgxf-0006fY-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:08:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C28E4C4496; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10728-07; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 594BD4C5225; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:05:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A0604C4496 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10598-02 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 53D984C443D for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.51.145.120] (helo=a9) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Gpgw0-0002Ez-Di for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:06:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robin Hampshire To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:53:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: StylePal and Nudge Applets in OPW Message-ID: <4e8dc8e735robin@brushford.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4e8d89a3a4robin@brushford.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 848 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: robin@brushford.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4e8d89a3a4robin@brushford.com>, Robin Hampshire > writes > >First of all, StylePal (Style Pallet). I have the Style Pallet installed > >in the applet manager (OPW), and it is active, but when I click on its > >menu entry I get an error: > >(GetWindowLongPtr)(1400) > It does that for me too, looks like a bug, I will investigate. Thanks. Having all the available styles in view significantly reduces the workload when importing blocks of text and then formatting them. > >The second query is a request: Does an applet equivalent to the !Nudge > >applet exist for OPW? It is one of the most useful things I have for > >OP(R). > I've copied some of the functionality for OPW, you'll find that the > cursor keys move frames around if they're not being used for something > else. In addition you can use ALT + cursor keys all the time to move > things. Ah yes, so they do. The cursor keys on their own work a treat for graphics boxes, and the Alt combination works for text boxes as well. That's certainly a more than adequate stop-gap until Gavin ports his superb !Nudge applet. Thanks. regards, -- Robin Hampshire robin@brushford.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 13:43:13 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpjUI-0VXVbs-07-DMb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:43:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpjUI-0VXVbs-07-DMb; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:49:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpjUI-0VXVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:49:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpjUI-00064p-37 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:49:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62C3A4C5E60; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10093-03; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11BC04C5BB6; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:48:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E63384C5E60 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09886-04 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F09C4C5E4F for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl89-213-14-224.as15444.net [89.213.14.224]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with SMTP id kAUAms1s003762 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:49:02 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:45:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro 2.76 Message-ID: <4e8dd8a0cbray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4e8d7a1c92ray@rayfavre.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 850 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@rayfavre.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4e8d7a1c92ray@rayfavre.me.uk>, Ray Favre > writes > >I upgraded to 2.77 and latest !TransImp - then converted the > >Impression Publisher (4.13) original document to OPro again. > Is it possible to let me have a copy of the document? > Private email or put it on a web page if you want everyone to have > a look. Answering both Martin's and your replies....and many thanks for your interest. The Impression document was originally created in 2002, which was well passed my Turbodriver era. Most graphics in the document were/are straight screen-shots made with !Paint's Snapshot facility but a couple are Paint screen-shots superimposed with Draw labels/arrows etc. The ones giving the problem are straight screen-shots - but see later also. The documents - both the Impression original and the OPro conversion - are the !LaBella Manual which is on my web-site at: http://rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html (Scroll down page to LaBella and download both versions of the Manual.) "No publicity is bad publicity!" :-) It was, in fact, a LaBella user who alerted me to the problem - as I'd never printed them myself before. The offending pages are numbered Page 64 and 65 and the offending graphics are the two almost-identical menu+sub-menu screen-shots on each page. (The single menu screen-shot on Page 64 does not seem to have the problem.) Printing these pages gives the original error, and saving out these screen-shots and re-inserting them exhibits the unwanted shrinking. (Selecting Page 64 and saving it as DDL gives the "Unknown object" error when double-clicking on the DDL.) I should also mention that the user says he is getting the printer error with Page 33 also, which has a busy screen-shot plus Draw labelling - but I don't get any problems with that page. Any help/advice you can give would be much appreciated. I use the same fairly simple format for other Manuals (mastered in Impression and converted to OPro - and also extract the plain text version from OPro DDL with my own custom utility) so I'd like to get things as trouble-free as possible. Many thanks. -- Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 13:43:21 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GplN4-0Wcknw-07-BTp.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:43:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GplN4-0Wcknw-07-BTp; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:50:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GplN4-0Wcknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:50:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GplN0-0001i9-5L for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:50:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA6F64C6136; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32143-01; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6553C4C6107; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:48:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA6934C5F33 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31782-07 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpq3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl (smtpq3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl [213.51.146.202]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8138D4C5FFB for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [213.51.146.188] (port=38757 helo=smtp3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) by smtpq3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GplMD-0007XC-RX for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:49:41 +0100 Received: from cp326584-a.mill1.nb.home.nl ([84.29.155.62]:1124 helo=arnold) by smtp3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GplMC-0004WU-Cj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:49:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:36:43 GMT From: Arnold van der Heijden To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] colour corrections Message-ID: References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 851 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: info@uitleg.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hello, When I use -for example- 100% magenta in Ovation, print this postcript, the file never gives, depending on the jobobtion in Distiller, 100% magenta in pdf. I tried all kind of settings, different joboptions, colour correction turned on or off. But I can't get 100% magenta as 100% magenta in pdf. It does not matter Ovation Risc Os or for Windows. Any idea? thanks, greetings -- Arnold Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 13:43:22 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GplcO-2lk000-05-BEV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:43:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GplcO-2lk000-05-BEV; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:06:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GplcO-2lk000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:06:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GplcN-0000pD-Ka for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:06:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA3EC4C4368; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03195-05; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 866704C48E8; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:04:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED3144C4368 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02762-07 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C79D44C42EB for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [91.64.216.51] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1Gplbb2JTs-00008d; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:05:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: colour corrections To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:06:53 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 852 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message Arnold van der Heijden wrote: > When I use -for example- 100% magenta in Ovation, print this > postcript, the file never gives, depending on the jobobtion in > Distiller, 100% magenta in pdf. This is not surprising. The RISC OS printer driver is strictly RGB-only, so what ends up in the PostScript file is always an RGB colour. This is not OP's fault - there simply is no way to tell the printer driver that a CMYK colour is desired. So, in the case of the standard 100% Magenta CMYK colour definition, the colour setting in the PostScript file reads: 255 0 255 C which sets 100% Red, 0% Green, 100% Blue, which is the naive conversion of 100% Magenta from CMYK to RGB. It is highly unlikely that any printing pipeline will render that as plain 100% Magenta. By the way: It would be almost trivial to enhance the PostScript printer driver to allow applications to set CMYK colours. This will probably be done as part of the PostScript 3 driver project. Adding support for that to OvationPro should be very easy. As a further aside: OvationPro does have special code to bypass the printer driver in order to print CMYK bitmaps to PostScript correctly. This has a long tradition: Impression did it already, and ArtWorks does it (I added that for ArtWorks 2.4). > I tried all kind of settings, different joboptions, colour > correction turned on or off. But I can't get 100% magenta > as 100% magenta in pdf. It does not matter Ovation Risc Os or > for Windows. The only way to get CMYK colour definitions for shapes and text into a PDF file under RISC OS is to use a program that generates PDF files directly instead of going through the PostScript printer driver, which flattens everything to RGB. If you export as PDF from ArtWorks 2 you get all your original CMYK colours in the PDF file. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 13:43:23 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gpm7z-0O2Vbs-03-Aiu.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:43:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gpm7z-0O2Vbs-03-Aiu; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:39:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gpm7z-0O2Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:39:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gpm7y-0005uK-4V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:39:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 666C74C5EBB; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10349-03-3; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C84654C5F0D; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:37:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CEA74C5BCC for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10053-06 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com (snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com [195.7.228.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 096884C5A6C for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from 17.241-7-195.ippool.ndo.com ([195.7.241.17] helo=[192.168.2.2]) by snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com with esmtp (NDO SMTP Pool (Abuse to: abuse@ndo.com)) id 1Gpm7F-0002am-00 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:38:17 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:38:15 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: colour corrections From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 853 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: akalat@kbnet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 30/11/06 1:06 pm, "Martin Wuerthner" wrote: > In message > Arnold van der Heijden wrote: > >> When I use -for example- 100% magenta in Ovation, print this >> postcript, the file never gives, depending on the jobobtion in >> Distiller, 100% magenta in pdf. > > This is not surprising. The RISC OS printer driver is strictly > RGB-only, so what ends up in the PostScript file is always an RGB > colour. This is not OP's fault - there simply is no way to tell the > printer driver that a CMYK colour is desired. So, in the case of the > standard 100% Magenta CMYK colour definition, the colour setting in > the PostScript file reads: > 255 0 255 C > which sets 100% Red, 0% Green, 100% Blue, which is the naive > conversion of 100% Magenta from CMYK to RGB. It is highly unlikely > that any printing pipeline will render that as plain 100% Magenta. > > By the way: It would be almost trivial to enhance the PostScript > printer driver to allow applications to set CMYK colours. This will > probably be done as part of the PostScript 3 driver project. Adding > support for that to OvationPro should be very easy. > > As a further aside: OvationPro does have special code to bypass the > printer driver in order to print CMYK bitmaps to PostScript correctly. > This has a long tradition: Impression did it already, and ArtWorks > does it (I added that for ArtWorks 2.4). > >> I tried all kind of settings, different joboptions, colour >> correction turned on or off. But I can't get 100% magenta >> as 100% magenta in pdf. It does not matter Ovation Risc Os or >> for Windows. > > The only way to get CMYK colour definitions for shapes and text into a > PDF file under RISC OS is to use a program that generates PDF files > directly instead of going through the PostScript printer driver, which > flattens everything to RGB. If you export as PDF from ArtWorks 2 you > get all your original CMYK colours in the PDF file. > > Martin It may not be what you want, but a possible solution is to deal with each CMYK channel in turn, so that all channels other than your choice are switched off. Make sure that you configure the Postscript driver so that colour output is disabled. Then create your postscript file, which will in effect be in monochrome, but can of course be printed in whichever CMYK (or other) colour you specify. Because all 4 separations are created digitally they should line up accurately for printing purposes. I have used this approach for getting printed work originated in Impression to be printed black and one Pantone colour, specifying the spot colour to be, say, cyan defined as a CMYK colour. This enables tints and gradations (some from Artworks) to be separated correctly. I think you will find that 100% Magenta is then converted into 100% black. Of course, if you are outputting direct to a desktop printing device then this will not work, but it does get round the problem, if crucial, for work on a litho press. I have also found that the company I use for digital printing (on an Indigo press) can now cope with RGB colour, so I simply create an RGB composite PostScript file converted to PDF (using Distiller on a Mac in my case) and it prints very well. Mike Williams From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 13:43:23 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gpm9O-0v4knw-06-AhV.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:43:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gpm9O-0v4knw-06-AhV; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:40:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gpm9O-0v4knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:40:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gpm9O-0007d2-1Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:40:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 621094C4C0D; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10647-01-2; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B10F84C5F3F; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:39:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:38:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8993F4C5A6C for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:38:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10455-08 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:38:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com (snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com [195.7.228.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 357564C49F5 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:38:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from 17.241-7-195.ippool.ndo.com ([195.7.241.17] helo=[192.168.2.2]) by snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com with esmtp (NDO SMTP Pool (Abuse to: abuse@ndo.com)) id 1Gpm8f-0002f9-00 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:39:45 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:39:44 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: colour corrections From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 854 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: akalat@kbnet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 30/11/06 1:06 pm, "Martin Wuerthner" wrote: > In message > Arnold van der Heijden wrote: > >> When I use -for example- 100% magenta in Ovation, print this >> postcript, the file never gives, depending on the jobobtion in >> Distiller, 100% magenta in pdf. > > This is not surprising. The RISC OS printer driver is strictly > RGB-only, so what ends up in the PostScript file is always an RGB > colour. This is not OP's fault - there simply is no way to tell the > printer driver that a CMYK colour is desired. So, in the case of the > standard 100% Magenta CMYK colour definition, the colour setting in > the PostScript file reads: > 255 0 255 C > which sets 100% Red, 0% Green, 100% Blue, which is the naive > conversion of 100% Magenta from CMYK to RGB. It is highly unlikely > that any printing pipeline will render that as plain 100% Magenta. > > By the way: It would be almost trivial to enhance the PostScript > printer driver to allow applications to set CMYK colours. This will > probably be done as part of the PostScript 3 driver project. Adding > support for that to OvationPro should be very easy. > > As a further aside: OvationPro does have special code to bypass the > printer driver in order to print CMYK bitmaps to PostScript correctly. > This has a long tradition: Impression did it already, and ArtWorks > does it (I added that for ArtWorks 2.4). > >> I tried all kind of settings, different joboptions, colour >> correction turned on or off. But I can't get 100% magenta >> as 100% magenta in pdf. It does not matter Ovation Risc Os or >> for Windows. > > The only way to get CMYK colour definitions for shapes and text into a > PDF file under RISC OS is to use a program that generates PDF files > directly instead of going through the PostScript printer driver, which > flattens everything to RGB. If you export as PDF from ArtWorks 2 you > get all your original CMYK colours in the PDF file. > > Martin As an aside to my previous reply, I recently read that a major magazine publisher has now adopted an RGB workflow so maybe RISC OS is just ahead of the game. Mike Williams From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 13:52:55 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpmKy-16xVbs-04-AVv.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:52:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpmKy-16xVbs-04-AVv; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:52:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpmKy-16xVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:52:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpmKu-0004ss-3H for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:52:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC8934C6408; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13716-03; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9DE54C641F; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:50:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 211334C625F for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:50:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13519-06 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:50:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97AE34C614C for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GpmK6-00001u-8R for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:51:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:50:02 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: colour corrections References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 855 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message , Arnold van der Heijden writes >When I use -for example- 100% magenta in Ovation, print this >postcript, the file never gives, depending on the jobobtion in >Distiller, 100% magenta in pdf. Martin has answered the question for RISC OS, for Windows you must have "direct PostScript" turned on in OPW Printer choices. Back to RISC OS, CC's Turbo drivers had some sort of fix that allowed apps. to print CMYK, and OP does actually use that. So presumably it could do the same for other enhanced drivers. Martin - first I've heard about a PS level 3 driver! -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 14:42:51 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gpn7I-2QKVbs-08-9jb.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:42:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gpn7I-2QKVbs-08-9jb; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:42:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gpn7I-2QKVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:42:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gpn7I-0002dY-Jt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:42:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B0754C615D; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24766-01; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 233E44C60C0; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:41:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:40:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D44464C5FCE for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:40:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24603-09 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:40:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B2E84C60D5 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [91.64.216.51] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1Gpn6H1goN-0000A7; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:41:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: colour corrections To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:42:39 +0100 Message-ID: <4655ee8d4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 856 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message , Arnold van der Heijden > writes > > Back to RISC OS, CC's Turbo drivers had some sort of fix that allowed > apps. to print CMYK, and OP does actually use that. So presumably it > could do the same for other enhanced drivers. That is verys interesting. I was only aware of special variables set by the TurboDrivers that allowed applications to detect whether the drivers are currently separating themselves, which would allow applications to print correct separations for full colour bitmaps even through the RISC OS 3.1 256 colour printing system. I was not aware of any solution for text and shape colours. How does it work? > Martin - first I've heard about a PS level 3 driver! As you are probably aware, the whole thing originated on this list a couple of months ago. After some discussions, John Tytgat and me have decided to go for it. That was many months ago already, but unfortunately, getting hold of the sources and sorting out the paperwork took rather a lot longer than expected. Hopefully, we will officially announce the project soon and ask for donation pledges as for Gimp-Print. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 15:12:57 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpnV5-0No000-01-9Lo.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:12:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpnV5-0No000-01-9Lo; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:06:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpnV5-0No000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:06:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpnUz-0003cp-MU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:06:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 617894C62BF; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30138-01-2; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 240414C62BE; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:04:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAF264C3147 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:04:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29839-06 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:04:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from aether.demon.co.uk (aether.demon.co.uk [83.104.139.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5E914C4036 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:04:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from medusa.earth.aether.demon.co.uk ([192.168.48.127] helo=medusa.aether.demon.co.uk) by aether.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GpnTd-0001cs-5y for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:05:29 +0000 Received: from matthew by medusa.aether.demon.co.uk with local (RemoteNB 3.00) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 30 Nov 2006 15:05:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:05:28 GMT From: Matthew Hambley To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: colour corrections Message-ID: <1a6cf08d4e.matthew@medusa.aether.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (RemoteNB/3.00) (RISC-OS/6.02) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 857 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: matthew@aether.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message Mike Williams wrote: [snip] > > As an aside to my previous reply, I recently read that a major magazine > publisher has now adopted an RGB workflow so maybe RISC OS is just ahead > of the game. That sounds like lazynes on said magazines side. RGB are the primary colours of transmissive mediums like monitors. The traditional Red, Yellow and Blue you played with as a child are the primary colours for reflect mediums like the printed page. Using RGB for something which is going to end up printed is likely to lead to problems. -- (\/)atthew )-(ambley : matthew@aether.demon.co.uk [ Public key : C991137B ] : http://www.aether.demon.co.uk If a job's worth doing, it's worth doing badly until you can learn how to do it well. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 15:22:53 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpniP-1S4000-01-98U.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:22:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpniP-1S4000-01-98U; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:20:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpniP-1S4000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:20:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpniL-0005N8-OC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:20:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D73704C6A6A; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:19:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01327-04-8; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:19:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A25314C69ED; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:19:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:18:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4464F4C6975 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00843-01 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com (snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com [195.7.228.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C20F4C6488 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:18:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from 17.241-7-195.ippool.ndo.com ([195.7.241.17] helo=[192.168.2.2]) by snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com with esmtp (NDO SMTP Pool (Abuse to: abuse@ndo.com)) id 1GpnhG-0001yn-00 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:19:34 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:19:33 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: colour corrections From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1a6cf08d4e.matthew@medusa.aether.demon.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 858 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: akalat@kbnet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 30/11/06 3:05 pm, "Matthew Hambley" wrote: > In message > Mike Williams wrote: > > [snip] >> >> As an aside to my previous reply, I recently read that a major magazine >> publisher has now adopted an RGB workflow so maybe RISC OS is just ahead >> of the game. > > That sounds like lazynes on said magazines side. RGB are the primary > colours of transmissive mediums like monitors. The traditional Red, Yellow > and Blue you played with as a child are the primary colours for reflect > mediums like the printed page. Using RGB for something which is going to > end up printed is likely to lead to problems. Since it is a major magazine publisher I don't think it is laziness. The whole workflow is calibrated and apparently working with artwork in RGB is more intuitive and easier, hence quicker and more cost effective, than CMYK. But it's only what I read. Mike Williams \ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 15:32:53 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpnqG-2jv000-07-90d.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:32:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpnqG-2jv000-07-90d; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:28:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpnqG-2jv000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:28:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpnqF-0006bL-Bt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:28:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A21A64C6B25; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02981-09; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 563A64C6AFB; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:27:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DE6E4C6B25 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02885-05 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CE374C6AD1 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from 47.82.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.82.47] helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpnpX-0002Uv-5U for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:28:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:27:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: colour corrections Message-ID: <4e8df278fbgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1a6cf08d4e.matthew@medusa.aether.demon.co.uk> References: <1a6cf08d4e.matthew@medusa.aether.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 859 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <1a6cf08d4e.matthew@medusa.aether.demon.co.uk>, Matthew Hambley wrote: > In message > Mike Williams wrote: > > As an aside to my previous reply, I recently read that a major > > magazine publisher has now adopted an RGB workflow so maybe RISC OS > > is just ahead of the game. > That sounds like lazynes on said magazines side. RGB are the primary > colours of transmissive mediums like monitors. The traditional Red, > Yellow and Blue you played with as a child are the primary colours for > reflect mediums like the printed page. Using RGB for something which > is going to end up printed is likely to lead to problems. No, it just means that they leave it to the RIP to do the conversion before it gets printed. It is becoming ever more popular, especially for the likes of magazine and newspapers that receive copy submitted from many sources. Insisting on CMYK images forces people to convert the images with different or incorrect settings, making for unpredictable results. So some now believe it is better to stay in RGB space and let the prepress equipment do the final conversions to CMYK as these conversions will be done in a controlled and calibrated way. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 15:52:54 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpoBd-03j000-06-8fG.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:52:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpoBd-03j000-06-8fG; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:50:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpoBd-03j000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:50:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpoBY-0001K9-6s for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:50:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A29224C6E4B; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08782-04; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52DAC4C6E30; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:49:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 643484C6E13 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08600-01 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E3FC4C6DF2 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GpoAW-000Br4-Hx for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:49:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:48:35 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: colour corrections References: <4d585c8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4e686f8c4e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <4655ee8d4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <4655ee8d4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 860 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4655ee8d4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner writes >> Back to RISC OS, CC's Turbo drivers had some sort of fix that allowed >> apps. to print CMYK, and OP does actually use that. So presumably it >> could do the same for other enhanced drivers. >That is verys interesting. I was only aware of special variables set >by the TurboDrivers that allowed applications to detect whether the >drivers are currently separating themselves, which would allow >applications to print correct separations for full colour bitmaps even >through the RISC OS 3.1 256 colour printing system. I was not aware of >any solution for text and shape colours. How does it work? I've probably mislead you here. Firstly it's a long time ago. ISTR that Turbo drivers do four passes, and they set a system variable telling you which pass they're doing at the moment. OP looks at that variable and hence knows what to output. >paperwork took rather a lot longer than expected. Hopefully, we will >officially announce the project soon and ask for donation pledges as >for Gimp-Print. Jolly good. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 18:13:01 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpqMa-3zNVbs-05-F0p.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:13:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpqMa-3zNVbs-05-F0p; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:10:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpqMa-3zNVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:10:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpqMY-00042s-Lu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:10:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A7274C52A8; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:09:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04299-10; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:09:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF2E64C5DD2; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:08:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CED94C52A8 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:08:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04158-10 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:08:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 516894C60F2 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:08:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GpqLc-000Ovb-2g for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:09:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:08:13 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: StylePal and Nudge Applets in OPW References: <4e8d89a3a4robin@brushford.com> <4e8dc8e735robin@brushford.com> In-Reply-To: <4e8dc8e735robin@brushford.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 861 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e8dc8e735robin@brushford.com>, Robin Hampshire >> >First of all, StylePal (Style Pallet). I have the Style Pallet installed >> >in the applet manager (OPW), and it is active, but when I click on its >> >menu entry I get an error: >> >(GetWindowLongPtr)(1400) >> It does that for me too, looks like a bug, I will investigate. OK this is resolved. I had a hard disc event in July. Afterwards I rebuilt everything on the Ovation Pro for Windows CD - alas I missed a file out of the style palette applet. Notice that this problem will only worry you if you have installed OPW since August. You can get the fixed Style Palette applet from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Applets/StylePal.oap -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 18:23:02 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpqQI-2ydGPo-04-Ex7.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:23:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpqQI-2ydGPo-04-Ex7; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:14:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpqQI-2ydGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:14:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpqQI-000236-3I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:14:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3173F4C6A0E; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05067-05; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D038A4C69C9; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:12:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35F204C60A6 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04940-08 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02B194C612D for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GpqPX-000Pp4-14 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:13:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:12:03 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro 2.76 References: <4e8d7a1c92ray@rayfavre.me.uk> <4e8dd8a0cbray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e8dd8a0cbray@rayfavre.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 862 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e8dd8a0cbray@rayfavre.me.uk>, Ray Favre writes >http://rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html i.e. http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. 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FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 22:24:33 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gpqc1-0t4GPo-08-ElO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:24:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gpqc1-0t4GPo-08-ElO; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:26:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gpqc1-0t4GPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:26:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gpqbz-0002Qk-Ju for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:26:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1CBF4C6D60; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07595-01; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98E824C6C35; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:24:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CBCB64C6D4B for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:24:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07503-04 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:24:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 796B54C6C3B for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:24:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [91.64.216.51] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1GpqbH3Z6q-0001Md; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:25:36 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro 2.76 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:26:54 +0100 Message-ID: <2cdd028e4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4e8d7a1c92ray@rayfavre.me.uk> <4e8dd8a0cbray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e8dd8a0cbray@rayfavre.me.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 863 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e8dd8a0cbray@rayfavre.me.uk> Ray Favre wrote: > The offending pages are numbered Page 64 and 65 and the offending > graphics are the two almost-identical menu+sub-menu screen-shots on > each page. (The single menu screen-shot on Page 64 does not seem to > have the problem.) > > Printing these pages gives the original error, and saving out these > screen-shots and re-inserting them exhibits the unwanted shrinking. These pages print fine here - I think you need to tell us which printer driver you use and what the resolution settings are. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 22:24:34 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpqzW-3te000-03-ENt.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:24:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpqzW-3te000-03-ENt; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:50:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpqzW-3te000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:50:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpqzQ-0001oM-Ho for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:50:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63FA24C72E6; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11888-03; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C12264C68EA; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:47:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A90434C7291 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11714-05 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CE524C7289 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GpqxA-0008EX-2r for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:48:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:48:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs again Message-ID: <4e8e04ce64chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 864 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net I thought I would have another go with SyncDiscs. One feature that makes me less inclined to use it is that it doesn't multitask, which means the machine hosting it is unusable for long periods of time now that hard drive capacities are measured in the hundreds of GB. It works fine from Iyonix to a LinkSys NAS (Network attached storage device) with 2x320 GB USB drives, using LanMan98. However, it still will not multitask, of course. I thought I would be clever, and run SyncDiscs from the command line in a taskwindow, since that is a common way to force command line binaries to multitask. However, calling SyncDiscs this way, although it certainly works as far as copying files etc, does not result in the taskwindow multitasking. The computer is still unusable until the copying is finished. Has anyone else ever tried to use SyncDiscs in a taskwindow, and if so, have they had any success? Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 22:24:40 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gps8h-13CVbs-02-DEi.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:24:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gps8h-13CVbs-02-DEi; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:04:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gps8h-13CVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:04:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gps8a-0003Cc-AI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:04:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F52E4C71B8; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:03:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27953-10; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:03:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DDB14C71C4; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:03:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:02:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E0C74C71B8 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27802-02 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C65B4C7174 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.51.145.120] (helo=a9) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Gps7j-0005Dq-Es for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:03:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Robin Hampshire To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:50:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: StylePal and Nudge Applets in OPW Message-ID: <4e8e0a8b63robin@brushford.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4e8d89a3a4robin@brushford.com> <4e8dc8e735robin@brushford.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 865 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: robin@brushford.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > You can get the fixed Style Palette applet from: > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Applets/StylePal.oap Thank you. That's fixed it. regards, -- Robin Hampshire robin@brushford.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 22:24:40 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpsC1-2Efknw-08-DBO.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:24:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpsC1-2Efknw-08-DBO; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:07:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpsC1-2Efknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:07:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpsBw-00005v-0m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:07:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D1AC84C5E7D; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:06:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28898-08; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:06:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C0254C61B6; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:06:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:05:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9612F4C5E7D for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:05:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28696-09 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:05:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 046544C5E3E for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:05:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GpsAu-0000PB-6r for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:06:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:05:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs again Message-ID: <4e8e0bedeachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4e8e04ce64chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <4e8e04ce64chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 866 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Ok - following up my last post, I should get my brain in gear before dashing off a posting. I thought about it while at the dinner table this evening with a bottle of red wine, in the process being accused by my wife of being (a) in a grumph because I wasn't very talkative, and (b) being away with the faeries (is that a scottish expression?)! SyncDiscs is first and foremost a wimp task, so it isn't going to matter how it is launched, once registered as a task it will be independent of the taskwindow and so will behave no differently than normal. I guess what would need to be done would be to extract the code for the 'sync engine' and make it into a simple binary. The front end would esentially remain as before to set up paths and options, but could then launch the binary via the taskwindow module, and it would then multitask correctly under control of the taskwindow module. Well, that requires the original source code and time to modify it, so I guess it is back to David. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Nov 30 22:34:33 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpuRe-3bH000-01-Avl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:34:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpuRe-3bH000-01-Avl; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:31:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpuRe-3bH000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:31:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpuRd-00016W-L0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:31:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 72B4A4C766A; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26301-08; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 364A14C7651; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:30:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CF534C75B2 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26144-04 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 437194C763C for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [86.7.24.150] (helo=linux.site) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1GpuQv2fo7-00005F; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:31:09 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:31:09 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: colour corrections Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1a6cf08d4e.matthew@medusa.aether.demon.co.uk> References: <1a6cf08d4e.matthew@medusa.aether.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.28 (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 867 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@xl-cambridge.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In a previous message, Matthew Hambley wrote: > In message > Mike Williams wrote: > > As an aside to my previous reply, I recently read that a major magazine > > publisher has now adopted an RGB workflow so maybe RISC OS is just ahead > > of the game. > > That sounds like lazynes on said magazines side. [snip] Using RGB for > something which is going to end up printed is likely to lead to problems. Actually, it's becoming more and more common in publishing to follow an RGB-only workflow right up to the RIP. There are various reasons for this, but one of the major ones is that most photographs are now primarily available as digital JPEG files - which are all RGB. Thus, doing the page layout in RGB means that all artwork can be used without alteration (useful for comping purposes apart from anything else). The CMYK conversion is done only at the final step, in the RIP, which can be configured correctly and is more powerful than most other methods. There's a common misconception that working in CMYK on screen avoids problems with colour balance and matching, but that's very far from the truth. Even CMYK files can produce radically different appearances depending on the saturation and colour balance used in the printing machinery, and the individual inks themselves vary, too. There a lot of imponderables, which is why leaving any conversion to the final RIP often gives the best results. John (Speaking from my experience in academic journal and educational book publishing.) -- John Pettigrew http://john.pettigrew.org.uk/ http://john.pettigrew.org.uk/blog/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 1 11:38:29 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpuVk-0N4000-05-Arf.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:38:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpuVk-0N4000-05-Arf; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:36:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpuVk-0N4000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:36:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GpuVj-0005Jk-LN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:36:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 104B54C5FD8; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27403-02; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97DE14C2098; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:35:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:34:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8C704C76C9 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26899-01 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9192F4C7670 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GpuUy-000JYv-MN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:35:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:34:19 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs again References: <4e8e04ce64chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e8e0bedeachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4e8e0bedeachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 868 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e8e0bedeachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes >Well, that requires the original source code and time to modify it, >so I guess it is back to David. Interesting points. Releasing the source code is a possibility. SyncDiscs looks at the disc contents and produces a set of copy etc. operations. I've always wondered about turning these into instructions to "filer action" (which is the multi tasking version of *copy). Multitasking has the problem that whilst the copying is going on, the files being synchronised are open to being changed. Hacking type ideas... Use the SyncDiscs compare function to produce a list of operations needed, then feed these operations into whatever is going to do the copying. Or alias the *copy command to extract the copy operations. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 1 11:38:33 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GpveA-2xqknw-04-9jF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:38:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GpveA-2xqknw-04-9jF; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:48:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GpveA-2xqknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:48:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gpve9-0002OL-Vi for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:48:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A9EE4C6B57; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07002-08; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33EDA4C699F; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:47:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1ACB4C6B57 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06860-08 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69BFB4C68D2 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:47:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GpvdR-0005og-MO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:48:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:47:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs again Message-ID: <4e8e203c04chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4e8e04ce64chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com><4e8e0bedeachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 869 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , David Pilling wrote: > Multitasking has the problem that whilst the copying is going on, > the files being synchronised are open to being changed. Yes, I have thought about this - and one of the 'pros' for not multitasking is this. However, if a file is modified *after* the snapshot is taken but *before* the actual copy, then you still have the latest version. If the file is changed after it has been 'synced', then it just means that synchronisation has been lost 'very quickly' - which will happen anyway as soon as files are modified. One would obviously need to include more error checking to ensure e.g. that a listed file hasn't been deleted in the meantime, or trap any filer errors such that the overall process does not get prematurely stopped. It would be useful to include checking for open files, which currently seems to stop SyncDiscs in its tracks. There are still a number of apps that keep files open all the time for various reasons. > Hacking type ideas... Use the SyncDiscs compare function to produce > a list of operations needed, then feed these operations into > whatever is going to do the copying. Or alias the *copy command to > extract the copy operations. Does SyncDiscs 'simply' issue a stream of *copy, *wipe, etc commands once it has sorted out the time stamps of existing files, non-existent files etc? All food for thought. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 1 11:39:01 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gq66N-0E2000-04-GK4.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 11:39:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gq66N-0E2000-04-GK4; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:58:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gq66N-0E2000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:58:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gq66J-0005NJ-HN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:58:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BA714C6B48; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 05:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12243-06; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 05:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1ADD44C7A22; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 05:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 05:57:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E4374C6B48 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 05:57:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11977-08 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 05:57:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E4BC4C752A for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 05:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Gq65V-0003FX-I8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:57:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:52:23 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs again Message-ID: <85165d8e4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4e8e04ce64chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com><4e8e0bedeachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 870 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 30 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4e8e0bedeachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson=20 > writes > >Well, that requires the original source code and time to modify it, > >so I guess it is back to David. >=20 > Interesting points. >=20 > Releasing the source code is a possibility. >=20 > SyncDiscs looks at the disc contents and produces a set of copy etc.=20 > operations. I've always wondered about turning these into instructions=20 > to "filer action" (which is the multi tasking version of *copy). >=20 > Multitasking has the problem that whilst the copying is going on, the=20 > files being synchronised are open to being changed. Yes and I remember once when a system at work used to do the backups while everyone was using their machines. One or two files got into a muddle and we had to move to doing a non-multitasking backup after working hours. I would be interested to hear if anyone has now found how to make reliable backups when file operations are still going on. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 1 12:28:32 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gq7Rb-1kfknw-05-Eyq.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:28:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gq7Rb-1kfknw-05-Eyq; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:24:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gq7Rb-1kfknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:24:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gq7Rb-00005T-D9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:24:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70CAF4C79F5; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:23:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30010-04; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:23:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 336754C7904; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:23:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 07:23:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 796434C79F5 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29808-09 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 442414C7873 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gq7Qg-000NTR-MD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:23:49 +0000 Message-ID: <9gvz+jEw5BcFFw6L@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:22:08 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs again References: <4e8e04ce64chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e8e0bedeachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e8e203c04chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4e8e203c04chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 871 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e8e203c04chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson writes >multitasking is this. However, if a file is modified *after* the >snapshot I believe SyncDiscs works its way through files, copying as it goes. No snapshot in other words. There is a worry about having enough memory to hold a snapshot. >It would be useful to include checking for open files, which >currently seems to stop SyncDiscs in its tracks. There are still a >number of apps that keep files open all the time for various reasons. Yes. However this illustrates a point about SyncDiscs it does not copy every single file, if it sees an extra folder, it issues a copy command for the entire folder without bothering to go through the contents. >Does SyncDiscs 'simply' issue a stream of *copy, *wipe, etc commands >once it has sorted out the time stamps of existing files, >non-existent files etc? It issues *copy for copying and moving, but it use the FS Control SWI for wiping things. If you (or someone else) wants to take over SyncDiscs and improve it, then we can come to an arrangement on the source code. Or you can have just the source code for the synchronisation part. Or I'd be happy to go over to using *wipe so that the whole thing can be easily used as a tool. Or you could have the source for SyncDiscs alone and chop out all the wimp code, turning it into a command line tool, which could be used from other programs. The thing about source code is that SyncDiscs uses my own RISC OS library so anyone working on it has to come to terms with that (self documenting code and obscure logic - e.g. flex_alloc() returns an os_error *). It seems like all you have to do is issue commands to Filer Action if you want multitasking, however I wonder why I didn't do that... it would for example be better to wait for one copy operation to terminate before starting the next. I wonder if you'd end up just coding your own multitasking copy. It's one of those things, working out how to synchronise files is not very complicated, multitasking copying is not that complex, etc. etc. it all adds up. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 1 12:58:33 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gq7qg-4fEknw-08-EZl.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:58:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gq7qg-4fEknw-08-EZl; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:50:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gq7qg-4fEknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:50:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gq7qe-0006V9-OT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:50:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B32934C6AC4; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03244-05; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76C874C674D; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 07:49:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D1F44C6AC4 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02992-01 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F1294C69FF for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [88.134.53.221] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML21M-1Gq7pw3Pk0-0005PQ; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:49:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs again To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:50:30 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4e8e04ce64chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e8e0bedeachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e8e203c04chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <9gvz+jEw5BcFFw6L@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9gvz+jEw5BcFFw6L@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 872 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <9gvz+jEw5BcFFw6L@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > It seems like all you have to do is issue commands to Filer Action if > you want multitasking, however I wonder why I didn't do that... it would > for example be better to wait for one copy operation to terminate before > starting the next. I wonder if you'd end up just coding your own > multitasking copy. Which is precisely what DirSync by Jan-Jaap van der Geer does, so anyone looking for that kind of functionality might want to have a look at DirSync (I hope it is OK to mention this here - after all, both are free programs). This is probably not the place to discuss which of the two is better for what kind of job (I suppose that is better done on c.s.a.apps), but I wonder whether it is worth while spending time discussing and implementing extensive changes to SyncDiscs while there is an alternative tool available that has precisely the features asked for (plus actually quite a few extras on top of what SyncDiscs does). Of course, the original poster might dislike DirSync for some reason or other but the alternative should certainly be considered. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 1 12:58:33 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gq7wT-0dIVbs-05-ETy.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:58:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gq7wT-0dIVbs-05-ETy; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:56:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gq7wT-0dIVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:56:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gq7wP-0005GR-VP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:56:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B416E4C7CC3; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05032-01-3; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F7604C7CE9; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 07:54:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B82D4C7C6A for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04394-02 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C7CB4C7C0C for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B458B5306E for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:55:45 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:34:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs again Message-ID: <4e8e6676dfbric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <85165d8e4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4e8e04ce64chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com><4e8e0bedeachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <85165d8e4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 873 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bric@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <85165d8e4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: [Snip] > Yes and I remember once when a system at work used to do the > backups while everyone was using their machines. One or two > files got into a muddle and we had to move to doing a > non-multitasking backup after working hours. I remember exactly the same when I was responsible for backups on a Racal minicomputer system about 20 years ago. The developers using the system got very stroppy when my 30 minutes warning message appeared on their terminal, until we had a major disc crash and the nearly complete restoration of their work demonstrated the point :-) > I would be interested to hear if anyone has now found how to > make reliable backups when file operations are still going on. Me too. How do RAID systems do it? Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 1 12:58:34 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gq7wU-4CYVbs-01-ETx.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:58:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gq7wU-4CYVbs-01-ETx; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:56:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gq7wU-4CYVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:56:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gq7wP-0004o4-Rk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:56:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 996AA4C7CCD; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05029-02-3; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 805FF4C7CEA; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 07:54:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 978814C7AE9 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04379-05 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:54:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECA6C4C7C64 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 07:54:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CF953013 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:55:45 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:28:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs again Message-ID: <4e8e65db22bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4e8e203c04chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <4e8e04ce64chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com><4e8e0bedeachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e8e203c04chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 874 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bric@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4e8e203c04chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: [Snip] > It would be useful to include checking for open files, which > currently seems to stop SyncDiscs in its tracks. There are > still a number of apps that keep files open all the time for > various reasons. Yes; SmbServer is one which keeps a log file open. I now run an obey file using Steffen Bellon's (?) Terminate module to shut everything down before using SyncDiscs. It would be nice if the latter just skipped open files and bleeped a warning. Brian -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 1 13:58:36 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gq8na-2l7000-02-Dcr.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:58:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gq8na-2l7000-02-Dcr; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:51:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gq8na-2l7000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:51:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gq8na-0000tz-HQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:51:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 80B5C4C7CD3; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18240-01; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C7A54C7C04; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:49:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 122114C7494 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18184-03 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D43D64C7BB7 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:49:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gq8mt-0001O5-KY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:50:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:49:12 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs again References: <4e8e04ce64chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e8e0bedeachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e8e203c04chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e8e65db22bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4e8e65db22bric@f2s.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 875 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Martin - no problem mentioning DirSync. I was going to mention it just now but forgot, and it has been mentioned here many times before. *wipe doesn't matter - it is only used if there is no scrap folder. So you can hack things with just an alias for *copy. RAID can work at disc sector level - so open files are not a problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 1 14:08:37 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gq8wC-2uiGPo-08-DUF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:08:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gq8wC-2uiGPo-08-DUF; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:00:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gq8wC-2uiGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:00:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gq8w9-00056h-O2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:00:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8042B4C7E17; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20459-05; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A6A14C7E50; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:58:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E9034C7E17 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:58:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20208-05 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:58:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3B0F4C7DF1 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 08:58:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gq8vO-000M6b-Cl for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:59:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:58:10 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPro 2.76 References: <4e8d7a1c92ray@rayfavre.me.uk> <4e8dd8a0cbray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e8dd8a0cbray@rayfavre.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 876 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >The documents - both the Impression original and the OPro conversion >- are the !LaBella Manual which is on my web-site at: > >http://rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html A bit more guidance please. I have these documents, the image appears to be 100% in both the Ovation Pro and Impression (loaded into Ovation Pro) versions. The problem pages print OK (to Sprinter). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 1 19:18:51 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GqDmO-2LlGPo-08-8e3.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:18:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GqDmO-2LlGPo-08-8e3; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:10:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GqDmO-2LlGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:10:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GqDmN-0006nT-DB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:10:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15EA04C5FE2; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21054-01-10; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8FEE4E6BE4; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:31:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:30:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8000C4E694D for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27968-01-7 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-08.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.43]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33FF34D6A9E for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.224.54) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 456F09EC000334E6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:02:11 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: StylePal and Nudge Applets in OPW To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:03:27 +0100 Message-ID: <8a8d848e4e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4e8d89a3a4robin@brushford.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 877 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <4e8d89a3a4robin@brushford.com>, Robin Hampshire > writes >>First of all, StylePal (Style Pallet). I have the Style Pallet installed >>in the applet manager (OPW), and it is active, but when I click on its >>menu entry I get an error: >>(GetWindowLongPtr)(1400) > > It does that for me too, looks like a bug, I will investigate. > >>The second query is a request: Does an applet equivalent to the !Nudge >>applet exist for OPW? It is one of the most useful things I have for >>OP(R). > > I've copied some of the functionality for OPW, you'll find that the > cursor keys move frames around if they're not being used for something > else. In addition you can use ALT + cursor keys all the time to move > things. > And with SHIFT ALT movement is multiplied by 10. You can also use one of UP/DOWN with one of RIGHT/LEFT for diagonal movement, with or without SHIFT. -- Greetings, JohnvV From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Dec 1 20:48:56 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GqFFi-05Hknw-08-FhF.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:48:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GqFFi-05Hknw-08-FhF; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:44:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GqFFi-05Hknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:44:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GqFFh-0004bH-S5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:44:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F91A4E61AD; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17837-01-7; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 15:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A548E4E2168; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:48:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:47:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0F9C94F1F3E for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14635-01-6 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id D89F04E6107 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:02:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([87.244.84.189]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.5.0-7) with SMTP id IIQ12510 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:12:10 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <4e8e04ce64chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e8e0bedeachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Talibard Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs again Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:10:15 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 878 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net I find SyncDiscs very useful, because you can get it not only to copy what is missing on the target disc, or in need of updating, but also to delete anything extra that it finds there, so that you end up with an exact copy of a set of files or directories - which is often just the result I want; and it means I don't have to think how to get it. For this, I am prepared to wait, or make a cup of coffee, while it does its stuff. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Dec 2 18:14:44 2006 Received: from pop3.demon.co.uk by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GqJgf-32R000-06-BGI.pilling@pop3.demon.co.uk> for ; Sat, 2 Dec 2006 18:14:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GqJgf-32R000-06-BGI; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 01:29:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GqJgf-32R000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 01:29:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GqJgf-0000Bh-9q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 02 Dec 2006 01:29:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1579751C516; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:28:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01473-01-5; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 20:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C496E51C562; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:22:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:21:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4CC4510CE3 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27176-01 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 19:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6D0A50A9E6 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2006 18:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GqHe0-0008M1-M8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 01 Dec 2006 23:18:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 23:17:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs again Message-ID: <4e8ea153f8chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4e8e04ce64chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e8e0bedeachris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e8e203c04chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <9gvz+jEw5BcFFw6L@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 879 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: davidpilling X-List-ID: davidpilling List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <9gvz+jEw5BcFFw6L@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling > wrote: > > It seems like all you have to do is issue commands to Filer > > Action if you want multitasking, however I wonder why I didn't do > > that... it would for example be better to wait for one copy > > operation to terminate before starting the next. I wonder if > > you'd end up just coding your own multitasking copy. > Which is precisely what DirSync by Jan-Jaap van der Geer does, so > anyone looking for that kind of functionality might want to have a > look at DirSync (I hope it is OK to mention this here - after all, > both are free programs). I did look at DirSync a while back, but I never really got into. It seemed to require too much user intervention to use in the way I would prefer to sync a backup disc to the master. I will have another look - perhaps I was using it incorrectly. -- Chris Johnson