From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 8 11:50:36 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GW9Y8-3JGVbs-06-GpT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:50:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GW9Y8-3JGVbs-06-GpT; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:36:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GW9Y8-3JGVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:36:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GW9Y8-0002CY-LK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:36:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 131F8443EF7; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 06:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13782-02; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 06:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12BFF443EC0; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 06:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 06:35:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4EC61443986 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 06:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13599-05-3 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 06:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 024DD443E16 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 06:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from watsnees.demon.co.uk ([80.177.152.227] helo=panther) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GW9XP-0000nY-EY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:36:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:35:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] A quiet time? Message-ID: <4e720887e7frank@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 674 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: frank@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Has there been activity since 10 Sept 06? Or have I somehow been bounced/unsubscribed without knowing? So, I suppose this is a test message. X ( - fingers crossed) Regards. -- Frank Watkinson. email: Using !Pluto 3.04c on Iyonix 5.11. Still RPC-SA (4.39 Adjust) for some things. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 8 11:50:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GWCO6-2asGPo-08-DzV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:50:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GWCO6-2asGPo-08-DzV; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:38:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GWCO6-2asGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:38:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GWCO5-0000EK-QX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:38:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13FB4444060; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19561-01-10; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEB224440DA; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:37:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D1EE444060 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19225-04 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8700444053 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iyonix (85-210-50-205.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.50.205]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA82E000189 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 14:38:00 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:37:46 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A quiet time? Message-ID: <4e721940c0graham@gjenkins.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e720887e7frank@aaug.net> References: <4e720887e7frank@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 675 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: graham@gjenkins.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 07 Oct, Frank Watkinson wrote: > Has there been activity since 10 Sept 06? > Or have I somehow been bounced/unsubscribed without knowing? > So, I suppose this is a test message. > X ( - fingers crossed) > Regards. That date is my latest. Cheers - Graham -- Graham N P Jenkins graham@gjenkins.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 8 11:50:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GWCZQ-2xeGPo-08-DoB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:50:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GWCZQ-2xeGPo-08-DoB; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:50:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GWCZQ-2xeGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:50:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GWCZP-0007BE-Pl for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:50:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0A6F4441B0; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22138-04-2; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B9B344419E; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:49:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 870D744415F for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21926-08 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34CD6444142 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl89-213-48-212.as15444.net [89.213.48.212]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k97DnVuQ000836 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 14:49:32 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A quiet time? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:43:48 +0100 Message-ID: <04ce19724e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4e720887e7frank@aaug.net> <4e721940c0graham@gjenkins.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e721940c0graham@gjenkins.me.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.06, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 676 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 7 Oct 2006 Graham Jenkins wrote: > On 07 Oct, Frank Watkinson wrote: >> Has there been activity since 10 Sept 06? > >> Or have I somehow been bounced/unsubscribed without knowing? > >> So, I suppose this is a test message. > >> X ( - fingers crossed) > >> Regards. > > That date is my latest. A tribute to David's software, I think; nothing to complain about! :-) With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 8 11:50:45 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GWCsy-2J9000-06-DUd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:50:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GWCsy-2J9000-06-DUd; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:10:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GWCsy-2J9000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:10:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GWCsy-0004Cy-I2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:10:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3158443534; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26840-04; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61FA24432E5; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:09:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B8CF443534 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26512-09 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 06AED443015 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k97E9fmQ001585 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:09:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:05:33 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A quiet time? Message-ID: <4e721bcb90lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <04ce19724e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4e720887e7frank@aaug.net> <4e721940c0graham@gjenkins.me.uk> <04ce19724e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.008, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 677 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <04ce19724e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > A tribute to David's software, I think; nothing to complain about! :-) Well, I've been getting some very bizarre crashes of OvPro on the Iyonix here - but I can't really track down the cause. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ (list replies: Email address IS genuine, include -nospam) Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 8 11:50:45 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GWDL1-1Xe000-05-D2a."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:50:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GWDL1-1Xe000-05-D2a; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:39:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GWDL1-1Xe000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:39:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GWDL1-0006XY-0W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:39:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F4D2443671; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32670-07; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D30D74437A8; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:38:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DC93443846 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32458-05 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8ED9A4437DB for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061007143853.WKCS15018.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:38:53 +0100 Received: from ntlworld ([82.29.50.162]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061007143853.ESSB11710.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:38:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A quiet time? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:36:34 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4e720887e7frank@aaug.net> <4e721940c0graham@gjenkins.me.uk> <04ce19724e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e721bcb90lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4e721bcb90lists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 678 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e721bcb90lists-nospam@vigay.com> Paul Vigay wrote: > In article <04ce19724e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, > Dr Peter Young wrote: > >> A tribute to David's software, I think; nothing to complain about! :-) > > Well, I've been getting some very bizarre crashes of OvPro on the Iyonix > here - but I can't really track down the cause. Are you using !DPlingScan at the same time? I suppose I should have learnt to save more often by now but I lost over two hours work yesterday when using !OvPro and !DPlingScan at the same time. It is only an occcasional thing but when it happens the whole machine locks up and doesn't even respond to Ctrl Break. I haven't been able to narrow it down but sometimes just moving a window on the screen is enough to do it. Doesn't seem to be repeatable though. It doesn't really happen often enough to be worth reporting, I can go for weeks or even months and then it suddenly happens - that's why I lose work because I forget about it until it catches me unawares again. -- JayCee From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 8 11:50:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GWIrY-3TC000-04-G2Z."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:50:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GWIrY-3TC000-04-G2Z; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 20:33:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GWIrY-3TC000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 20:33:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GWIrX-0004nw-O2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 20:33:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2405442BC7; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16741-08; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 87F8C4433F6; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:32:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF2B6442BC7 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16577-08 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.clear.net.nz (smtp1.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.27]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A622C4432BB for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix (t001-m002-u12.wgtn.clear.net.nz [203.97.77.12]) by smtp1.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0J6S007O692RYZ@smtp1.clear.net.nz> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 09:32:51 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 09:35:04 +1300 From: "lists (ww)" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A quiet time? In-reply-to: <4e721bcb90lists-nospam@vigay.com> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4e723f7527lists@ww.co.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.4 References: <4e720887e7frank@aaug.net> <4e721940c0graham@gjenkins.me.uk> <04ce19724e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e721bcb90lists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 679 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@ww.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 08 Oct, Paul Vigay wrote: > Well, I've been getting some very bizarre crashes of OvPro on the > Iyonix here - but I can't really track down the cause. Me too. I've been waiting till I had more eveidence. A couple od times I noticed that when I put a couple of image files into OP's clipboard and pasted them somewhere else in the same doc, then when I undo the action it freezes the whole machine. The OP document is around 50 to 60MB, with about 20 images. So the images aren't all that huge. Maybe the undo feature is limited in some way, so let's see what I've set... RO v5.11 OP v2.76 App choices Print choices Print memory 10M General Choices Buffer size 8k Save buffer (tick) Clipboards 1 Glovbal Clipboard (tick) Document preferences Auto save (tick) every 10 min Nothing there will probably help. Anyone else with this problem? Brian -- Auckland NEW ZEALAND From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 8 11:51:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GWTcd-1mQVbs-08-Do0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:51:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GWTcd-1mQVbs-08-Do0; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 08:02:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GWTcd-1mQVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 08:02:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GWTcc-0001ue-NS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 08:02:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEC8A44483D; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 04:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27722-03; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 04:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D2BD444879; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 04:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 08 Oct 2006 04:01:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9075444483D for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 04:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27444-05 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 04:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.nildram.co.uk (smtp.nildram.co.uk [195.149.33.74]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3730844484E for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 04:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix (84-12-166-169.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [84.12.166.169]) by smtp.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 921BB1015647 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:01:55 +0100 (BST) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A quiet time? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 08:58:15 +0100 Message-ID: <4d017e724e.Brian@gotadsl.co.uk> References: <4e720887e7frank@aaug.net> <4e721940c0graham@gjenkins.me.uk> <04ce19724e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e721bcb90lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e723f7527lists@ww.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4e723f7527lists@ww.co.nz> X-Organization: You havin' a laff or wot? User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 680 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 7 Oct, lists (ww) wrote: [snip] > > OP v2.76 [snip] > may be a good place to start... -- Brian Howlett ------------------------------------ This .sig deliberately left blank... From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 8 11:51:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GWVM6-0BP000-03-C4X."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 11:51:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GWVM6-0BP000-03-C4X; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 09:53:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GWVM6-0BP000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 09:53:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GWVM6-0006iC-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 09:53:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FCE8444AD7; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 05:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19192-07-3; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 05:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83511444ABB; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 05:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 08 Oct 2006 05:52:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FBFA444A8F for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 05:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18989-04 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 05:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C322444A97 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 05:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panther (backup.vigay.com [82.163.120.21]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k989r48n008030 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:53:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 10:51:02 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A quiet time? Message-ID: <4e728854b0lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4d017e724e.Brian@gotadsl.co.uk> References: <4e720887e7frank@aaug.net> <4e721940c0graham@gjenkins.me.uk> <04ce19724e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e721bcb90lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e723f7527lists@ww.co.nz> <4d017e724e.Brian@gotadsl.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.008, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 681 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4d017e724e.Brian@gotadsl.co.uk>, Brian Howlett wrote: > may be > a good place to start... I've already got v2.77, but it doesn't seem to make any difference with the crashing. I'm suspecting it might be something to do with either a third-party applet which is auto-loading (which may account for it being more reliable on some people's machines) or even some obscure bug in the lazy task swapping code in RISC OS 5 (which I've mentioned before) but I'm not quite sure how that would only affect OvPro - unless that's doing a lot of code execution within wimp polls or something? -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ (list replies: Email address IS genuine, include -nospam) In the last 4,000 years, no new animals have been domesticated. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 8 12:30:10 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GWWhz-4Kf000-01-Aie."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:30:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GWWhz-4Kf000-01-Aie; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 11:20:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GWWhz-4Kf000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 11:20:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GWWhy-0001Ba-IM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 11:20:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D53A444AA0; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 07:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05609-06; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 07:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AF7D444AA2; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 07:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 08 Oct 2006 07:19:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A86F2444AC6 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 07:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05361-08 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 07:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E64C4448F6 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 07:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GWWhD-00084G-GC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 11:19:51 +0000 Message-ID: <6qeWo5AN6NKFFwrW@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:18:37 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A quiet time? References: <4e720887e7frank@aaug.net> <4e721940c0graham@gjenkins.me.uk> <04ce19724e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e721bcb90lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e723f7527lists@ww.co.nz> <4d017e724e.Brian@gotadsl.co.uk> <4e728854b0lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4e728854b0lists-nospam@vigay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 682 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Yes it has been a quiet time - you've not missed anything. There is now a web interface to the mail list, so you can see if your email system is working: http://www.freelists.org/archives/davidpilling >in RISC OS 5 (which I've mentioned before) but I'm not quite sure how that >would only affect OvPro - unless that's doing a lot of code execution >within wimp polls or something? Some comments. If you have a 60MB document then it is possible that a change (however simple) will result in almost 60MB of memory being shifted so if you're really worried about lazy task swopping there is scope. Shifting such a lot of memory allows scope for other problems - bugs in the program included. As to the specific case of pictures. Copying a picture within a document does not use a lot of memory, since only a reference is copied. You should be able to see this from the document size (File menu or button bar i). You can copy pictures in three ways - by drag and drop (double click select, ALT+drag), dropping a picture save box (from the OP menu) on to a frame, or finally via the clipboard. It is obvious that in the first two cases, OP knows that the source picture is in the destination document, so it is easy for it to not copy the actual image but to just reference it. If you go via the clipboard then it is not so easy to handle references, I believe that later versions of OP do work out the reference. However there will still be a copy of the image on the clipboard - i.e. a substantial use of memory. I've described all this because how much memory an operation uses is usually proportional to how likely it is to go wrong. References use little memory, copies of images use a lot. My feeling is that things would be less likely to crash and more responsive if you referenced all the images in the document - here I'm using "reference" in a different sense to above - I mean using the feature of OP that lets you leave images on disc, separate from the document. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 8 14:40:17 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GWYp2-0nFVbs-01-8bb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 14:40:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GWYp2-0nFVbs-01-8bb; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:36:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GWYp2-0nFVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:36:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GWYp2-0004cR-MP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:36:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A254844437C; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01585-10; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4456444408D; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 08 Oct 2006 09:34:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1449344437C for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01418-03 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D46CE442810 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GWYoK-0002MO-Hj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:35:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:35:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A quiet time? Message-ID: <4e729cde98mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6qeWo5AN6NKFFwrW@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4e720887e7frank@aaug.net> <4e721940c0graham@gjenkins.me.uk> <04ce19724e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e721bcb90lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e723f7527lists@ww.co.nz> <4d017e724e.Brian@gotadsl.co.uk> <4e728854b0lists-nospam@vigay.com> <6qeWo5AN6NKFFwrW@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 683 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6qeWo5AN6NKFFwrW@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > My feeling is that things would be less likely to crash and > more responsive if you referenced all the images in the > document . . . That is certainly my experience. Peter Newble. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 8 18:20:28 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GWcIm-10Uknw-04-DeN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 18:20:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GWcIm-10Uknw-04-DeN; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:19:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GWcIm-10Uknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:19:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GWcIl-0001Gi-W8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:19:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2D80444E24; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 13:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23142-08; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 13:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59252444D9C; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 13:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:17:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 335FC444E24 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 13:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22973-01 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 13:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00839444DDA for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 13:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GWcI3-000DTU-Av for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:18:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 18:16:53 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A quiet time? References: <4e720887e7frank@aaug.net> <4e721940c0graham@gjenkins.me.uk> <04ce19724e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e721bcb90lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e723f7527lists@ww.co.nz> <4d017e724e.Brian@gotadsl.co.uk> <4e728854b0lists-nospam@vigay.com> <6qeWo5AN6NKFFwrW@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e729cde98mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e729cde98mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 684 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e729cde98mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk>, Peter Newble writes >In article <6qeWo5AN6NKFFwrW@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: >> My feeling is that things would be less likely to crash and >> more responsive if you referenced all the images in the >> document . . . >That is certainly my experience. One of those things... back when the foundations of RISC OS and the applications that run on it were written, memory was scarce and support for an address space bigger than installed RAM (virtual memory) was not forthcoming. Acorn encouraged the use of "sliding block, self compacting" memory management. Such a system is very efficient, however it is prone to bugs, it will not work happily on a virtual memory system (which is why Clares virtual memory system never caught on) and if you get a lot more memory without a corresponding increase in speed of shifting memory contents around it is likely to be slow. I'm not making excuses, but what ran merrily in 1992 on 4MB might not with 20 times the memory. Having said that the Windows version of OP does not seem so bad - faster hardware, and making use of Windows massive address space, so although there is still some sliding memory it does not have to slide so often. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 10 11:28:56 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GX3pP-0ZhVbs-02-BhI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:28:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GX3pP-0ZhVbs-02-BhI; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:42:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GX3pP-0ZhVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:42:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GX3pP-0004pa-B0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:42:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0308F445C10; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17473-02; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EA05445C0A; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:41:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C45C445C33 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17240-01 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19C7E445C1A for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dyn-62-56-87-85.dslaccess.co.uk ([62.56.87.85] helo=Iyonix.boase) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH boase) (Exim 4.42) id 1GX3og-000EXw-Br for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:41:47 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A quiet time? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Bernard Boase X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 23:41:44 +0100 Message-ID: <03ba52734e.boase@boase.demon.co.uk> References: <4e720887e7frank@aaug.net> <4e721940c0graham@gjenkins.me.uk> <04ce19724e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e721bcb90lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e723f7527lists@ww.co.nz> <4d017e724e.Brian@gotadsl.co.uk> <4e728854b0lists-nospam@vigay.com> <6qeWo5AN6NKFFwrW@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6qeWo5AN6NKFFwrW@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 685 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: b.boase@bcs.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <6qeWo5AN6NKFFwrW@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Yes it has been a quiet time - you've not missed anything. There is now > a web interface to the mail list, so you can see if your email system is > working: > > http://www.freelists.org/archives/davidpilling How can one see archived postings from before February 2006 via this web interface? -- Bernard Boase From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 10 18:19:05 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GXLFw-3cc000-02-BJn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:19:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GXLFw-3cc000-02-BJn; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:19:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GXLFw-3cc000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:19:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GXLFs-0000iN-EO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:19:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 204B6445F15; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00804-01; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1B11446627; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:16:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB1354465F7 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31277-07 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98867446521 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GXL8o-000Hbj-5k for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:11:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:10:28 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A quiet time? References: <4e720887e7frank@aaug.net> <4e721940c0graham@gjenkins.me.uk> <04ce19724e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e721bcb90lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e723f7527lists@ww.co.nz> <4d017e724e.Brian@gotadsl.co.uk> <4e728854b0lists-nospam@vigay.com> <6qeWo5AN6NKFFwrW@pilling.demon.co.uk> <03ba52734e.boase@boase.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <03ba52734e.boase@boase.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 686 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <03ba52734e.boase@boase.demon.co.uk>, Bernard Boase writes >In message <6qeWo5AN6NKFFwrW@pilling.demon.co.uk> > David Pilling wrote: > >> Yes it has been a quiet time - you've not missed anything. There is now >> a web interface to the mail list, so you can see if your email system is >> working: >> >> http://www.freelists.org/archives/davidpilling > >How can one see archived postings from before February 2006 via this >web interface? You can't. All the list postings before that (and after) are available from: www.davidpilling.info/cd/support.html and that page will let you search them using Google. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 10 18:29:08 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GXLID-42n000-04-BHW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:29:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GXLID-42n000-04-BHW; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:21:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GXLID-42n000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:21:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GXLIB-00044E-Lz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:21:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29ED544660A; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00816-02; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51EE84465D8; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:17:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED3DB4464A9 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31277-10 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBB6B44623D for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GXL9T-000Hif-3w for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:12:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:11:10 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Vista? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 687 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Has anyone tried any of my stuff on the Windows Vista beta? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 10 18:29:08 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GXLJi-3tG000-02-BG1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:29:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GXLJi-3tG000-02-BG1; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:22:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GXLJi-3tG000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:22:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GXLGA-0001xu-HI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:22:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29ED544660A; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00816-02; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51EE84465D8; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:17:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED3DB4464A9 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31277-10 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BBB6B44623D for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GXL9T-000Hif-3w for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:12:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:11:10 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Vista? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 687 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Has anyone tried any of my stuff on the Windows Vista beta? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 10 18:29:09 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GXLLG-1fP000-05-BET."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:29:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GXLLG-1fP000-05-BET; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:24:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GXLLG-1fP000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:24:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GXLLG-0004j1-Eb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:24:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB5D7446440; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01926-07; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A460446268; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:23:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77CB84465B8 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01770-03 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 414D544641A for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GXLKY-0000a0-7e for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:23:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:22:18 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A quiet time? References: <4e720887e7frank@aaug.net> <4e721940c0graham@gjenkins.me.uk> <04ce19724e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e721bcb90lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e723f7527lists@ww.co.nz> <4d017e724e.Brian@gotadsl.co.uk> <4e728854b0lists-nospam@vigay.com> <6qeWo5AN6NKFFwrW@pilling.demon.co.uk> <03ba52734e.boase@boase.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 688 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>How can one see archived postings from before February 2006 via this >>web interface? > >You can't. All the list postings before that (and after) are available >from: Which reminds me, there is something "Hyperlist" (?) which will turn the mail box style list files into web pages. I always meant to get that going - seems to be Linux. And don't forget that Richard Murray has a viewer program: http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/opmlv/index.html -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Oct 11 11:48:07 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GXP1Q-0qLGPo-07-G4p."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:48:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GXP1Q-0qLGPo-07-G4p; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:20:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GXP1Q-0qLGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:20:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GXP1Q-0000Ha-AN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:20:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F6E544694A; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29100-05; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37C1844693A; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:19:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A5FB446859 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28881-09 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD142445C6C for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from madwesties.demon.co.uk ([83.104.37.85] helo=topcat) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GXP0h-00074M-Gm for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:19:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tricia Garner To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:15:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A quiet time? Message-ID: <4e73ceb2aftricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4e720887e7frank@aaug.net> <4e721940c0graham@gjenkins.me.uk> <04ce19724e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e721bcb90lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e723f7527lists@ww.co.nz> <4d017e724e.Brian@gotadsl.co.uk> <4e728854b0lists-nospam@vigay.com> <6qeWo5AN6NKFFwrW@pilling.demon.co.uk> <03ba52734e.boase@boase.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.06-ds.1 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 689 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 10 Oct, in article , David Pilling wrote: > >>How can one see archived postings from before February 2006 via this > >>web interface? > > > >You can't. All the list postings before that (and after) are available > >from: > Which reminds me, there is something "Hyperlist" (?) which will turn the > mail box style list files into web pages. I always meant to get that > going - seems to be Linux. > And don't forget that Richard Murray has a viewer program: > http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/opmlv/index.html Which doesn't appear to be for RISC OS - or have I missed something? -- Tricia You can't have everything, where would you put it? From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Oct 11 11:58:06 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GXbiz-0yxVbs-01-Btm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:58:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GXbiz-0yxVbs-01-Btm; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:54:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GXbiz-0yxVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:54:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GXbiy-0002VB-Ni for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:54:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDC734472AF; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01834-01; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC9F14471B8; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:52:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E4F1447244 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01536-02 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85D17447217 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GXbhp-0009uY-L4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:52:59 +0000 Message-ID: <87zH8OA8xMLFFwTu@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:50:36 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A quiet time? References: <4e720887e7frank@aaug.net> <4e721940c0graham@gjenkins.me.uk> <04ce19724e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e721bcb90lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e723f7527lists@ww.co.nz> <4d017e724e.Brian@gotadsl.co.uk> <4e728854b0lists-nospam@vigay.com> <6qeWo5AN6NKFFwrW@pilling.demon.co.uk> <03ba52734e.boase@boase.demon.co.uk> <4e73ceb2aftricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e73ceb2aftricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 690 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e73ceb2aftricia@madwesties.demon.co.uk>, Tricia Garner writes >> And don't forget that Richard Murray has a viewer program: >> http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/opmlv/index.html >Which doesn't appear to be for RISC OS - or have I missed something? Sorry, yes as far as I can see that program is for Windows and there is no RISC OS version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 12 14:13:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GXpv3-0Vt000-03-Ekk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:13:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GXpv3-0Vt000-03-Ekk; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:03:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GXpv3-0Vt000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:03:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GXpv3-0001Mm-0U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:03:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EAC9D448AFF; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17992-03; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27946448B1A; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:02:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17AE9448999 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17781-05 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.clear.net.nz (smtp2.clear.net.nz [203.97.37.27]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2D2A448981 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix (t001-m002-u12.wgtn.clear.net.nz [203.97.77.12]) by smtp2.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0J700055C30LS3@smtp2.clear.net.nz> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:02:46 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:04:28 +1300 From: "lists (ww)" Subject: [softwarelist] Find and Replace To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4e746cf3e7lists@ww.co.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.4 X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (20 Aug 2005) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 691 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@ww.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) OPro v2.77 quit as I tried a find and replace action today. Here's what I was doing. Tell me if this is beyond its capabilities. Text reads: OliverCalendar Girls". (Note, they're NOT square brackets)=20 The text has many of these top-bit characters. I wanted to Find Oliver for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:33:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GY0fm-2MCVbs-03-CWX; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:32:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GY0fm-2MCVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:32:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GY0fk-00043z-MM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:32:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C35344948F; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01371-08; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D296B44960B; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:30:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7ABFD44948F for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01095-05 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82C07449258 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GY0eW-000Ept-6C for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:31:15 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:29:49 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find and Replace References: <4e746cf3e7lists@ww.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4e746cf3e7lists@ww.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 692 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e746cf3e7lists@ww.co.nz>, "lists (ww)" writes >OPro v2.77 quit as I tried a find and replace action today. > Highlight '=92' > Ctrl-c copy to clipboard > F4 > Ctrl-v to paste '=92' in Find icon > Type ' in Replace icon > Tick Find from Start > Click Go > OPro quits without error. All that is fair enough. Quiting without an error... can be due to lack of memory, bump up the wimp slot in !Run (at the end). The trick is to open a spool file, F12 *spool mylog F12 *spool the log file may then contain some text saying what has happened. >I restarted OPro and tried to repeat it but it stayed running, first >claiming "Not Found!", then after a few more attempts, it worked! >Is this some feature of F&R whereby it won't see a character until the >second attempt? I often notice that Find & Replace will claim "Not >Found!" on the first attempt, then will find it at another try. The missing not found might be due to not ticking 'find from start' or 'all stories'. I do know there was a bug where OP didn't scan all the stories in a document. >I've now installed SRWE 0.03. So does that mean you're talking about SRWE throughout, or the built in find/replace? Presumably the built in version since you pressed F4? I'm just wondering why confuse matters with SRWE if you're not using it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 12 15:13:03 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GY1Cp-1MnGPo-04-BzU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:13:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GY1Cp-1MnGPo-04-BzU; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:06:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GY1Cp-1MnGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:06:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GY1Cp-0004CQ-8D for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:06:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCB49448A3D; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09432-07; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C73C449697; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:05:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C73A4493A6 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09318-08 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E92D44873D for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GY1Bi-000Bq5-CE for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:05:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:57:06 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find and Replace Message-ID: <4e74ae339amailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4e746cf3e7lists@ww.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 693 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > I do know there was a bug where OP didn't scan all the stories > in a document. I think that was when it missed text in embedded frames. That bug was fixed in v2.75. Peter Newble. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 13 11:33:06 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GY85j-2S1knw-08-Dd6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:33:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GY85j-2S1knw-08-Dd6; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:27:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GY85j-2S1knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:27:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GY85i-0004x2-I9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:27:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 327074495A6; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23916-09; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCCDE447979; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:26:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E7B144976C for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23757-01 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.clear.net.nz (smtp1.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.27]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C7554495A6 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Iyonix (t001-m002-u12.wgtn.clear.net.nz [203.97.77.12]) by smtp1.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0J7100HKPKWZZL@smtp1.clear.net.nz> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:27:00 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:28:34 +1300 From: "lists (ww)" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find and Replace In-reply-to: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <4e74d7891alists@ww.co.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.4 References: <4e746cf3e7lists@ww.co.nz> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 694 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists@ww.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 13 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > All that is fair enough. Quiting without an error... can be due to > lack of memory, It was a story of less than one A4 page. > bump up the wimp slot in !Run (at the end). I have: WimpSlot -min 1648K -max 1648K What change do you recommend? [snip] > >I've now installed SRWE 0.03. > So does that mean you're talking about SRWE throughout, or the built > in find/replace? Presumably the built in version since you pressed > F4? I'm just wondering why confuse matters with SRWE if you're not > using it. No, I wasn't using SRWE. I was using the built in version. I got SRWE down imagining that it'd be an improvement on the original, a S&R that has more 'effect' than the original!. My mistake. I see now it's a way to S&R and retain the 'effects'. I find OPro's Find and Replace so unreliable [earlier versions, and now the recent crash with v2.77] that it's almost unbearable when sometimes it cannot find things in the same story - WITH 'from start' ticked - and will then find them on a second attempt, including ones that were well past the curser point, so there was no need for 'from start' for those. I started this thread in case there were other instances of F&R unreliability, and if so to get tips to get around it. But maybe it's just me, or maybe it's not a feature used very musch. I will likely revert to using Zap's S&R before importing the text into OP. Something not mentioned in the manual wrt find&replace is using the clipboard to put things into the F&R? writeble icons. Seems to me an great way to put a exact char, word or phrase into the search string, especially if it's something not on the normal keyboard, like a top-bit char. Is the clipboard an acceptable way to enter chars into F&R? Thanks. Brian From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 13 11:33:26 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GYBVi-1vrVbs-01-AD7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:33:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GYBVi-1vrVbs-01-AD7; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:06:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GYBVi-1vrVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:06:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GYBVi-0001vf-CG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:06:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2FD3449F87; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07098-02; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A17E44A04D; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:05:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A83C0449FD8 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06962-05 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75830449ED6 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GYBV0-000Jrq-Dq for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:06:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:44:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find and Replace Message-ID: <4e74e980d2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e74d7891alists@ww.co.nz> References: <4e746cf3e7lists@ww.co.nz> <4e74d7891alists@ww.co.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 695 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4e74d7891alists@ww.co.nz>, lists (ww) wrote: > I find OPro's Find and Replace so unreliable ... Why not save the document as a DDL file, open that in your favourite editor and do S&R, save that, and reopen it in OP? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll, Edinburgh, Scotland - my opinions are my own. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 13 11:33:49 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GYHKb-1T4000-08-Cuk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:33:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GYHKb-1T4000-08-Cuk; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:19:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GYHKb-1T4000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:19:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GYHKa-0003Yq-HU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:19:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1ECC44B46F; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25820-03; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 956A944B3A6; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:18:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 820A744B46F for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25578-06 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E08E44B3D7 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RiscPC (81-178-119-12.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.119.12]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464D6E00049D for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:18:56 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:45:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find and Replace Message-ID: <4e750a7cfbsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4e74e980d2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> References: <4e746cf3e7lists@ww.co.nz> <4e74d7891alists@ww.co.nz> <4e74e980d2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 696 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 13 Oct, Jeremy C B Nicoll wrote: > In article <4e74d7891alists@ww.co.nz>, > lists (ww) wrote: > > I find OPro's Find and Replace so unreliable ... > Why not save the document as a DDL file, open that in your favourite > editor and do S&R, save that, and reopen it in OP? Not only that but the process might turn up the source of the unreliable S&R and the crashes. i.e. the most likely cause of both is a faulty document, which possibly arises from a faulty template document. -- Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 13 11:33:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GYIo0-4A3Vbs-07-BRL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:33:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GYIo0-4A3Vbs-07-BRL; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:54:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GYIo0-4A3Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:54:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GYIny-0003lS-2l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:54:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C67344B1E2; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13249-07; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB13B44B437; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:51:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E64A44B282 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13084-05 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E91344B26C for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 04:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k9D8q00e005118 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:52:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4e74d7891alists@ww.co.nz> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find and Replace MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:53:23 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 697 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > No, I wasn't using SRWE. I was using the built in version. I got SRWE > down imagining that it'd be an improvement on the original, a S&R that > has more 'effect' than the original!. My mistake. I see now it's a way > to S&R and retain the 'effects'. > To clarify slightly. It also allows you to search for and replace effects and styles. So, whilst it does retain effects when just used as a text search & replace, it can also be used to change (or just find) styles and effects. Andy Ling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 13 11:43:00 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GYKTI-3HGknw-06-9m3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:43:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GYKTI-3HGknw-06-9m3; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:40:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GYKTI-3HGknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:40:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GYKTH-00045K-3s for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:40:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A04544A091; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03421-05; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E84AE449215; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:39:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2EAC44A091 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03202-10 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F44844A021 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GYKS8-0008wL-IC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:39:50 +0000 Message-ID: <6xXm+bAvy2LFFwSm@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:38:39 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Find and Replace References: <4e746cf3e7lists@ww.co.nz> <4e74d7891alists@ww.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <4e74d7891alists@ww.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 698 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e74d7891alists@ww.co.nz>, "lists (ww)" writes >I find OPro's Find and Replace so unreliable [earlier versions, and >now the recent crash with v2.77] that it's almost unbearable when >sometimes it cannot find things in the same story - WITH 'from start' > ticked - and will then find them on a second attempt, including >ones that were well past the curser point, so there was no need for >'from start' for those. How about sending me a reproducible example of it going wrong? >Something not mentioned in the manual wrt find&replace is using the >clipboard to put things into the F&R? writeble icons. Seems to me an >great way to put a exact char, word or phrase into the search string, >especially if it's something not on the normal keyboard, like a >top-bit char. ISTR I once wrote up a tip on the list about how to make F&R work like on Windows - whatever is at the caret appears in the find icon when you open the F&R window. >Is the clipboard an acceptable way to enter chars into F&R? Yes. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 19 15:30:09 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GaWQB-11eGPo-07-ADQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:30:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GaWQB-11eGPo-07-ADQ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:50:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GaWQB-11eGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:50:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GaWQA-0004wD-OL for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:50:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34A0245CF63; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12962-03; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7A8C45CF59; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:49:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5691645CF63 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12817-07 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id F1FD745CF14 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([87.244.68.245]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.5.0-7) with SMTP id XVS09325 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:51:25 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Talibard Subject: [softwarelist] scan/USB2 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:49:59 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 699 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I am not sure which list to send this to, Iyonix or Pilling Software, and have opted for both: I installed ROM512 two or three days ago. This morning I tried to use my scanner for the first time since then. It is an Epson 1660 run by software from David Pilling. It now 'freezes' the machine (if that is the right word). What happens is that, in DPling Scan, I get as far as asking for a Preview or Scan, and everything stops. Alt Break does nothing until I unplug the scanner, at which point it invites me to 'Press Stop to terminate DPlingScan' and that 'unfreezes' the machine. In trying to investigate this, I thought I'd Restore 511 and see if the scanner would then work again. Tried this, got past the warning about non-interruption, chose 'Full' rather than 'Transfer', but then nothing seemed to happen. Now I'm not sure whether I have 511 or 512 inplace, and don't know how to check. I THINK I'm still with 512, so I had another go at Restore511. After the choice of Full it says "Wrong programmer for your machine." Advice, please. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 19 15:30:18 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GaWjW-1ZiGPo-08-9u5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:30:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GaWjW-1ZiGPo-08-9u5; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:10:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GaWjW-1ZiGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:10:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GaWaU-0007ik-Dq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:01:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D54845B359; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15442-06; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A74745B787; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:59:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9187545B1F7 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15298-01 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22DB245A133 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061019120033.SESC15018.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:00:33 +0100 Received: from ntlworld ([82.29.50.162]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061019120033.NLOQ23938.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:00:33 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: scan/USB2 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:01:45 +0100 Message-ID: <167e3e784e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.12) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 700 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Michael Talibard wrote: > > I am not sure which list to send this to, Iyonix or Pilling Software, > and have opted for both: > > I installed ROM512 two or three days ago. This morning I tried to > use my scanner for the first time since then. It is an Epson 1660 > run by software from David Pilling. It now 'freezes' the machine > (if that is the right word). What happens is that, in DPling Scan, > I get as far as asking for a Preview or Scan, and everything stops. > Alt Break does nothing until I unplug the scanner, at which point > it invites me to 'Press Stop to terminate DPlingScan' and that > 'unfreezes' the machine. > > In trying to investigate this, I thought I'd Restore 511 and see if the > scanner would then work again. Tried this, got past the warning > about non-interruption, chose 'Full' rather than 'Transfer', but then > nothing seemed to happen. Now I'm not sure whether I have 511 or > 512 inplace, and don't know how to check. I THINK I'm still with 512, > so I had another go at Restore511. After the choice of Full it says > "Wrong programmer for your machine." > > Advice, please. > I had exactly the same problem with the same scanner. By powering everything off completely at the mains then back on it cleared whatever the problem was and now works OK; although as an aside I am finding that DPlingScan, which I also use to crop and size JPEGs seems to stiff my machine fairly frequently and as you say Alt + Break doesn't achieve anything with such a freeze, it requires a power off. -- JayCee From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 19 15:30:39 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GaY4N-3PVVbs-03-8ZE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:30:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GaY4N-3PVVbs-03-8ZE; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:36:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GaY4N-3PVVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:36:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GaY4L-0005Qo-RX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:36:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 881C645D182; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10003-04-6; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5122D45D563; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:34:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6198645D0DF for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09584-04 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 41BA745D4D7 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([87.244.68.245]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.5.0-7) with SMTP id XXD32847 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:36:47 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <167e3e784e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> References: <167e3e784e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0F6C7BC2-C674-4228-B364-C5F60BB0DFA5@talibard.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Talibard Subject: [softwarelist] Re: scan/USB2 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:35:22 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 701 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Thanks for your help. Powering off didn't quite do it, but . . I didn't have USBKick; found it chez Drobe and it works a treat. On 19 Oct 2006, at 13:01, JayCee wrote: >> > I had exactly the same problem with the same scanner. > > By powering everything off completely at the mains then back on it > cleared whatever the problem was and now works OK; although as an > aside I am finding that DPlingScan, which I also use to crop and size > JPEGs seems to stiff my machine fairly frequently and as you say Alt + > Break doesn't achieve anything with such a freeze, it requires a power > off. > > > -- > JayCee > > From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 19 16:17:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GaZZz-0qIVbs-05-Fa8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:17:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GaZZz-0qIVbs-05-Fa8; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:13:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GaZZz-0qIVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:13:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GaZZv-0005Ng-GZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:13:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2973F45D8CB; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07991-03; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BEB2F45D93F; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:11:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8658445D8CB for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07321-05 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3C5045D879 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mcpython.demon.co.uk ([83.104.45.130] helo=iyonix.retreat.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GaZYn-000McI-0u for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:12:00 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS batch processing To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Malcolm Cowell X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:11:49 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 702 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SEARCH_ENGINE_PROMO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) With SparkFS 1.41 is there a way of unzipping a batch of xxx/zip files and have the unzipped files placed in a directory (or even alongside the zipped versions as David has kindly reminded me happens with GZips) At present I can drag the batch to SparkFS but they all open in lots of separate windows on screen. There may be a none-SparkFS way of automating this? -- Malcolm Cowell From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 19 16:47:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gaa4q-1F9000-01-F5H."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:47:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gaa4q-1F9000-01-F5H; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:45:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gaa4q-1F9000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:45:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gaa4p-0002Lv-2G for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:45:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FAF345DD45; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16027-01-3; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AC3845DDA0; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:43:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2740D45DCF6 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15876-10 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C33DB45DCF2 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.62.131] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1Gaa3y1hxU-0005eo; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:44:06 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS batch processing To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:45:12 +0200 Message-ID: <22f352784e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 703 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SEARCH_ENGINE_PROMO, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Malcolm Cowell wrote: > With SparkFS 1.41 is there a way of unzipping a batch of xxx/zip files > and have the unzipped files placed in a directory (or even alongside > the zipped versions as David has kindly reminded me happens with > GZips) > > At present I can drag the batch to SparkFS but they all open in lots > of separate windows on screen. There may be a none-SparkFS way of > automating this? SparkFS is a filing system, so you can unzip files using a simple operating system *Copy command without using the user interface at all. For instance, if the Zip files are xxx/zip and yyy/zip and you want their contents in the directory Dir, then an Obey file with the following contents will do it: copy .xxx/zip.* .Dir.* r~v~c copy .yyy/zip.* .Dir.* r~v~c Similarly for more files. If you want to unzip a complete directory full of zip files, all into the same place, you can do so using the Repeat command (but that requires a trick because Repeat puts the filename at the end of the command, and copy wants the source as first parameter - you need to define an intermediate alias that takes one parameter and puts it in the right place for the copy command). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 22 17:16:07 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gbfqm-236000-07-FVT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:16:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gbfqm-236000-07-FVT; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:07:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gbfqm-236000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:07:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gbfqm-0003VT-3E for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:07:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BAA984677A9; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31865-01; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D669467749; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:05:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF8BD4676E8 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31629-06 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpq3.groni1.gr.home.nl (smtpq3.groni1.gr.home.nl [213.51.130.202]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 799AB467658 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.51.130.190] (port=33746 helo=smtp1.groni1.gr.home.nl) by smtpq3.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Gbfo4-0005du-7H for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:04:12 +0200 Received: from cp326584-a.mill1.nb.home.nl ([84.29.155.149]:1078 helo=arnold) by smtp1.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Gbfe4-0001Pu-Vg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:53:53 +0200 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:54:17 GMT From: Arnold van der Heijden To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] pdf-import Message-ID: X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 704 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: info@uitleg.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hello, 'No suitable file filter found' is the message I get when I try to import a pdf-file in Ovation for Windows, no matter if I use Distiller or Ghostscript. Any chance the 'ole'-function will be part of Ovation? Thanks, -- Arnold Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Oct 22 17:56:10 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GbgZu-0hVknw-04-EmL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:56:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GbgZu-0hVknw-04-EmL; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:53:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GbgZu-0hVknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:53:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GbgZt-00036n-PP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:53:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6CE9C467A11; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08312-06; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12B12467A48; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04889467A11 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08075-07 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8622467A3B for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GbgZC-000Hgk-2V for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:52:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:51:49 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 705 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, >'No suitable file filter found' is the message I get >when I try to import a pdf-file in Ovation for >Windows, no matter if I use Distiller or Ghostscript. Presumably you have installed the PDF filter? See: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Filters/transpdf.html If it complains there is no filter then it means the pdf filter is not installed, rather than there being some sort of problem with how the filter is interacting with the PDF rendering system. There's no magic in computers, have a look at the registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\DavidPilling\Filters You also need the EPS rendering applet to be active. >Any chance the 'ole'-function will be part of Ovation? That is a reasonable request. I would have liked to add OLE long ago. I suspect it may be one of those things which turns out to not be as good as you imagine - think about how direct PS rendering is going to interact with it. I'd noticed that some Windows DTP programs allow PDF files to be imported as editable objects. At first sight this looks hugely complicated to do. However consider that !PDF for RISC OS allows PDF to Draw file conversion, and that allowing Draw file to Ovation Pro objects would be very simple. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 23 17:34:36 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gbz3C-0w3GPo-01-DM5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:34:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gbz3C-0w3GPo-01-DM5; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:37:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gbz3C-0w3GPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:37:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gbz2s-0001d6-As for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:36:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1347A469A5E; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05856-03; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A5D84469B26; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:35:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0EB74469A5E for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05658-03 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpq3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl (smtpq3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl [213.51.146.202]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C40C7469A5C for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.51.146.190] (port=51620 helo=smtp1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) by smtpq3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Gbz25-0004PP-Ut for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:35:57 +0200 Received: from cp663098-a.mill1.nb.home.nl ([84.29.157.152]:1059 helo=ac-zuil) by smtp1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Gbz22-0000d3-K1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:35:54 +0200 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:40:24 GMT From: Arnold van der Heijden To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import Message-ID: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 706 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: info@uitleg.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In mailtje schreef je: > Hi, > > >'No suitable file filter found' is the message I get > >when I try to import a pdf-file in Ovation for > >Windows, no matter if I use Distiller or Ghostscript. > > Presumably you have installed the PDF filter? Yes, I have. And I edited the the transpdf textfile. The eps-applet is installed. And it seems, when importing a pdf-file, ghostscript is doing something. It shows some empty windows which ends up with ''No suitable file filter found'. The strange thing is: I had it work in a earlier version of Ovation. Do I oversee something? > There's no magic in computers, have a look at the registry key > > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\DavidPilling\Filters It shows the transpdf filter (and it shows something as '(standard)' > >Any chance the 'ole'-function will be part of Ovation? > I'd noticed that some Windows DTP programs allow PDF files to be > imported as editable objects. Well, some dtp programs let you choose where you want to edit the ole-file with. I would be very happy with a ole-function that opens a picture in Photoshop and puts it after editing back in the same place. Or indeed a vector in Illustrator. Thanks, -- Arnold Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 23 18:01:01 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gc38f-0xJknw-04-9Gc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:01:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gc38f-0xJknw-04-9Gc; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:59:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gc38f-0xJknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:59:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gc38f-0003jf-1D for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:59:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3ACE46A3DC; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04714-09; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BCF346A46A; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:57:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5131F46A3DC for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04566-03 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9A3A46A078 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.215.37.11] (vpn-011.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.11]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9NGwIsV013645 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:58:18 +0100 Message-ID: <453CF4C4.9080701@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:58:44 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.> In-Reply-To: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 707 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Arnold van der Heijden wrote: > In mailtje schreef je: > >>> Any chance the 'ole'-function will be part of Ovation? > >> I'd noticed that some Windows DTP programs allow PDF files to be >> imported as editable objects. > > Well, some dtp programs let you choose where you want to > edit the ole-file with. I would be very happy with a ole-function > that opens a picture in Photoshop and puts it after editing > back in the same place. Or indeed a vector in Illustrator. Now, that would be very useful! -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 23 18:21:02 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gc3Sq-464000-08-8wR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:21:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gc3Sq-464000-08-8wR; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:19:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gc3Sq-464000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:19:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gc3Sp-0007Q5-QE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:19:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CD6046A7E7; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08365-05; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7694446A80B; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:18:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2CE846A7F2 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08114-05-2 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FBCC46A7E5 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gc3Ru-0001MQ-14 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:18:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:17:36 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import References: <453CF4C4.9080701@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <453CF4C4.9080701@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 708 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Well, some dtp programs let you choose where you want to >> edit the ole-file with. I would be very happy with a ole-function >> that opens a picture in Photoshop and puts it after editing >> back in the same place. Or indeed a vector in Illustrator. Yes, but that is standard OLE. What I'm talking about is being to take a PDF document and edit it using Ovation Pro. With OLE you would need a dedicated PDF editor - Acrobat maybe. I'll check out the pdf filter. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 24 21:57:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GcTFm-3Fy000-08-8j3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:57:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GcTFm-3Fy000-08-8j3; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:52:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GcTFm-3Fy000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:52:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GcTFl-0005I0-Gx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:52:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A06F646FFC9; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13878-02; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D157746FFB4; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:50:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7973346FF37 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13466-02-6 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 138F146FF62 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GcTEz-000Hy6-1a for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:51:17 +0000 Message-ID: <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:49:48 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> In-Reply-To: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 709 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?>, Arnold van der Heijden writes >The strange thing is: I had it work in a earlier version >of Ovation. Do I oversee something? Err, I think I've got it, the thing is falling over with the preview in the EPS image - it needs the TIFF filter to be installed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Oct 25 11:48:52 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GcUjw-12kknw-08-FlP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:48:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GcUjw-12kknw-08-FlP; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:27:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GcUjw-12kknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:27:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GcUjs-0004Eh-4x for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:27:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8199946F02B; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08978-01-8; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6166146FF50; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:25:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D3C946E157 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08622-09 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8A3CD46EC38 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.215.37.129] (vpn-129.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.129]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9OMQ2I6026701 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:26:16 +0100 Message-ID: <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:27:12 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 710 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?>, Arnold van der Heijden > writes >> The strange thing is: I had it work in a earlier version >> of Ovation. Do I oversee something? > > Err, I think I've got it, the thing is falling over with the preview in > the EPS image - it needs the TIFF filter to be installed. That works ... but the result here is a very low resolution bitmap image. The necessary filters and applets appear to be installed, so what could I be doing wrong? -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Oct 25 12:08:20 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GcgZ0-1f5Vbs-01-CSr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:08:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GcgZ0-1f5Vbs-01-CSr; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:04:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GcgZ0-1f5Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:04:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GcgYx-0005IT-WA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:04:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B21F8470D82; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22350-05; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57FE3470E97; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:03:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AD46470D82 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22188-07 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 312EB470460 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GcgY1-0002oL-7S for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:03:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:02:40 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 711 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >That works ... but the result here is a very low resolution bitmap >image. The necessary filters and applets appear to be installed, so >what could I be doing wrong? The way the PDF filter works is to use GhostScript (or similar) to take the PDF file and produce from it a PostScript file and a bitmap preview image (as a TIFF) these are then glued together to form a standard EPS file. For display within OP the bitmap is used and for printing the PostScript. For the PostScript version to be used for printing you need to have a PostScript printer and for OP to be configured with Direct PS active. If the PostScript can't be used then the bitmap will also be used for printing. You have control over how high the resolution of the bitmap is, through command lines in the file: transpdf.txt Described in: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Filters/transpdf.html Obviously the higher the resolution, the bigger the bitmap. It was whilst loading PDF files (which would not print properly from the Adobe viewer) that I managed to generate documents approaching the memory limits of 32 bit Windows. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Oct 25 12:28:22 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gcgmf-31fVbs-04-CFC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:28:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gcgmf-31fVbs-04-CFC; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:18:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gcgmf-31fVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:18:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GcgmD-0005eM-FB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:18:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BC40470F70; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25673-03; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E99294712F8; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:17:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 227EA471072 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25428-08 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl (smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl [213.51.130.201]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D538F47077B for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [213.51.130.189] (port=36961 helo=smtp2.groni1.gr.home.nl) by smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GciLx-0006un-BH for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:59:29 +0200 Received: from cp326584-a.mill1.nb.home.nl ([84.29.155.149]:1033 helo=arnold) by smtp2.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Gcgjg-0002Kl-2P for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:15:52 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:05:57 GMT From: Arnold van der Heijden To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import Message-ID: References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05S) (RISC-OS/3.71) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 712 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: info@uitleg.nl Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In mailtje <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> schreef je: > David Pilling wrote: > > In message <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?>, Arnold van der Heijden > > writes > >> The strange thing is: I had it work in a earlier version > >> of Ovation. Do I oversee something? > > > > Err, I think I've got it, the thing is falling over with the preview in > > the EPS image - it needs the TIFF filter to be installed. > > That works ... but the result here is a very low resolution bitmap > image. The necessary filters and applets appear to be installed, so what > could I be doing wrong? Yes, thanks, it works. About the low resolution: I mentioned this a long time ago and it was a problem because the output (on print) was also low resolution. As far I can see now, the output is correct. So the low resolution is only on screen, you can compare it with a proxy. For me this is no problem. greetings, -- Arnold Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Netherlands op www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op www.dienblad.nl / Landerdsite op www.landerd.net Telefoon 0486-463112 / Fax 0486-463537 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Oct 25 13:58:28 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GciEc-1KLknw-08-AnF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:58:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GciEc-1KLknw-08-AnF; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:51:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GciEc-1KLknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:51:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GciC2-0006rR-L9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:49:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FCAF470A34; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14551-04; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0823C470FE6; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:47:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E260F4711C2 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14263-07 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AF1F47015A for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GciBG-000AG5-84 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:48:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:47:05 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 713 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , Arnold van der Heijden writes >Yes, thanks, it works. >About the low resolution: I mentioned this a long time ago and it >was a problem because the output (on print) was also low resolution. >As far I can see now, the output is correct. So the low resolution is >only on screen, you can compare it with a proxy. For me this is no >problem. With PDF what the filter is doing is converting the PDF to EPS and then relying on the EPS applet to render it. EPS files usually contain a low resolution version of the image (as either TIFF or WMF) and Ovation Pro treats this low resolution image like one of its own proxy images. So the same rules apply, if the main image can't be rendered to a printer then the proxy is used (another example of where this happens is ArtWorks files on Windows). As I said to get the main EPS images to work you need direct PostScript turned on and to be using a PostScript printer. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Oct 25 21:38:59 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GcpVL-4VVknw-01-C32."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:38:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GcpVL-4VVknw-01-C32; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:37:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GcpVL-4VVknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:37:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GcpVK-0007G7-4I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:37:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4DCE472365; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07436-04; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 266C94722FA; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:36:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94A39472268 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07239-02 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AAD1472177 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.215.37.31] (vpn-031.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.31]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9PKarJB005306 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:36:53 +0100 Message-ID: <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:38:09 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 714 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> That works ... but the result here is a very low resolution bitmap >> image. The necessary filters and applets appear to be installed, so >> what could I be doing wrong? > > The way the PDF filter works is to use GhostScript (or similar) to take > the PDF file and produce from it a PostScript file and a bitmap preview > image (as a TIFF) these are then glued together to form a standard EPS > file. For display within OP the bitmap is used and for printing the > PostScript. > > For the PostScript version to be used for printing you need to have a > PostScript printer and for OP to be configured with Direct PS active. If > the PostScript can't be used then the bitmap will also be used for > printing. > > You have control over how high the resolution of the bitmap is, through > command lines in the file: transpdf.txt Thanks for that explanation. Things are now much clearer ... However, one thing puzzles me. In an earlier email to the list you hinted that in a future release of OPW there might be the facility to import a PDF document and edit it using Ovation Pro. How would that work? Presumably not on the preview bitmap? -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Oct 25 22:08:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gcpy9-2HoGPo-07-BaE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:08:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gcpy9-2HoGPo-07-BaE; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:07:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gcpy9-2HoGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:07:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gcpy8-0004QM-18 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:07:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C4F8472072; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16350-10; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB132472004; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:05:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F0F4472072 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15807-03-4 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F2F84725CD for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GcpxI-000Pno-8L for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:06:32 +0000 Message-ID: <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:05:20 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 715 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >However, one thing puzzles me. In an earlier email to the list you >hinted that in a future release of OPW there might be the facility to >import a PDF document and edit it using Ovation Pro. How would that >work? Presumably not on the preview bitmap? Well (for example) !PDF could be used to turn the PDF into a Draw file - then there could be a new function that turned a Draw file into editable Ovation Pro objects. All this could be made transparent to the user. Or one could modify !PDF to actually output Ovation Pro DDL. I keep saying !PDF - that is the RISC OS version of an open source project, it can be used on other platforms and is open to modification. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 26 15:09:47 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gcq9r-0wYGPo-05-BOW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:09:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gcq9r-0wYGPo-05-BOW; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:19:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gcq9r-0wYGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:19:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gcq9q-0006JY-A6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:19:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 615A94728CE; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19548-09-4; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0F014728D1; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:18:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6C9747286E for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19290-08 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97C6547277C for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.215.37.138] (vpn-138.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.138]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9PLIj5L005538 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:18:45 +0100 Message-ID: <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:18:49 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 716 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> However, one thing puzzles me. In an earlier email to the list you >> hinted that in a future release of OPW there might be the facility to >> import a PDF document and edit it using Ovation Pro. How would that >> work? Presumably not on the preview bitmap? > > Well (for example) !PDF could be used to turn the PDF into a Draw file - > then there could be a new function that turned a Draw file into editable > Ovation Pro objects. Do editable objects include text? > Or one could modify !PDF to actually output Ovation Pro DDL. And would that mean you could import multi-page PDFs into OPW (i.e. entire documents), which would then be converted to DDL on the fly (so to speak)? If so, that would be very useful. And would the formatting/look of the original PDF be preserved? That would be even more useful. -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 26 15:29:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gd69z-1KK000-04-CRQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:29:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gd69z-1KK000-04-CRQ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:24:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gd69z-1KK000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:24:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gd61a-0003ya-7t for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:16:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 612B1473DAD; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11106-04-3; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DCC43473DA3; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:13:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5BCF5473D2D for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10927-05 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB9CE473D30 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gd5zI-0001Qm-67 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:13:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:12:20 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 717 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Do editable objects include text? Yes. >And would that mean you could import multi-page PDFs into OPW (i.e. >entire documents), which would then be converted to DDL on the fly (so >to speak)? If so, that would be very useful. And would the >formatting/look of the original PDF be preserved? That would be even >more useful. Yes, yes, yes, yes. What inspires this line of thought is that things like Serif Page Plus offer such a feature. However presumably anyone with RISC OS already has the functionality PDF to Draw, and then edit in !Draw? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 26 15:49:50 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gd6TA-17c000-05-C8F."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:49:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gd6TA-17c000-05-C8F; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:44:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gd6TA-17c000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:44:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gd6T6-0000pd-UW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:44:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17751474337; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17195-02; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36A53474333; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:39:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43EE7474270 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16897-07 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 292EF474255 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.53.184] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwpI-1Gd6Ol2scJ-0000jd; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:39:59 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:41:13 +0200 Message-ID: References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 718 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > In message <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >>Do editable objects include text? > > Yes. > >>And would that mean you could import multi-page PDFs into OPW (i.e. >>entire documents), which would then be converted to DDL on the fly (so >>to speak)? If so, that would be very useful. And would the >>formatting/look of the original PDF be preserved? That would be even >>more useful. > > Yes, yes, yes, yes. > > What inspires this line of thought is that things like Serif Page Plus > offer such a feature. > > However presumably anyone with RISC OS already has the functionality PDF > to Draw, and then edit in !Draw? In theory yes, but not if text is involved. If you save as Draw from !PDF, then each character becomes an individual Draw object. This means that you can barely do even the most basic editing and there is no way to insert anything and reflow the text. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 26 15:59:40 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gd6Zd-17Bknw-07-C1m."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:59:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gd6Zd-17Bknw-07-C1m; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:51:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gd6Zd-17Bknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:51:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gd6Za-000786-Mq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:51:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74F4F4741AE; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19435-08; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13D6D474083; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:49:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3104E4741AE for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19280-02-3 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout02.ims-firmen.de (mailout02.ims-firmen.de [213.174.32.97]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AD904741D4 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailin02.ims-firmen.de ([192.168.1.111]) by mailout02.ims-firmen.de with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Gd6Ym-0000yI-VJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:50:20 +0200 Received: from [87.245.50.11] (helo=ucs.de) by mailin02.ims-firmen.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Gd6Ym-0001Hy-NM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:50:20 +0200 Received: from martinv by ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 2.04) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 26 Oct 2006 16:51:13 +0200 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:51:12 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import Message-ID: <94dbe87b4e.martinv@ucs.de> References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: UCS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (RemoteNB/2.04) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 719 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Martin Wuerthner wrote: [snip] > In theory yes, but not if text is involved. If you save as Draw from > !PDF, then each character becomes an individual Draw object. This > means that you can barely do even the most basic editing and there is > no way to insert anything and reflow the text. > Exactly, the 'D' in 'PDF' has always annoyed me. PDF is by no means a 'Document', it is rather a _printed_ document. You better have the original somewhere or may be screwed royally. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 26 17:39:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gd8FH-0hx000-08-AM8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:39:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gd8FH-0hx000-08-AM8; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:38:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gd8FH-0hx000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:38:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gd8FE-0002jB-Iw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:38:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2455A4741A4; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14674-02; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B956473F6F; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:36:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C5984739E3 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14418-08 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91392471DB1 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.53.184] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1Gd8EN41wN-0001Cq; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:37:24 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:38:23 +0200 Message-ID: References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <94dbe87b4e.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: <94dbe87b4e.martinv@ucs.de> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 720 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <94dbe87b4e.martinv@ucs.de> Martin Vethake wrote: > In message > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > [snip] >> In theory yes, but not if text is involved. If you save as Draw from >> !PDF, then each character becomes an individual Draw object. This >> means that you can barely do even the most basic editing and there is >> no way to insert anything and reflow the text. >> > Exactly, the 'D' in 'PDF' has always annoyed me. PDF is by no means > a 'Document', it is rather a _printed_ document. You better have the > original somewhere or may be screwed royally. True. PDF focuses on the visual representation of the document. Still, the producer can store a lot of high-level text flow information in the PDF file (to improve accessibility, for example). The problem is that !PDF goes down to a particularly low level (single characters) to ensure accurate rendering. It could preserve more of the text structure at the expense of not preserving the original formatting exactly, but then, this is not what it was written for. Besides, the Draw format imposes limits, too. So, to sum it up: OvationPro (or any other word processor) with PDF import could do a much better job. Of course, it would never be suitable for round-trip editing (simply because PDF really is a graphical format, so it is likely to contain lots of things that OP cannot represent), but at least one would be able to quickly import an existing PDF document as a starting point for reproducing it. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 26 18:39:47 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gd96H-1zYVbs-04-9V8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:39:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gd96H-1zYVbs-04-9V8; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:33:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gd96H-1zYVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:33:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gd96F-000374-4z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:33:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E88C04710C8; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28836-01-7; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE96E473903; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:30:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D74C4749C7 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27802-01-10 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 343B2474B6F for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gd941-000B49-En for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:30:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:29:07 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <94dbe87b4e.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 721 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , Martin Wuerthner writes >import could do a much better job. Of course, it would never be >suitable for round-trip editing (simply because PDF really is a But that is exactly what programs like Serif Page Plus are currently being sold as - round trip PDF editors. We've discussed before there are many programs that let you load PDF into MS Word as editable text. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 26 18:39:48 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gd97D-1XuVbs-01-9UC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:39:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gd97D-1XuVbs-01-9UC; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:34:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gd97D-1XuVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:34:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gd97D-0003yH-3V for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:34:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8A98471F03; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29433-03-9; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 48C1D47525F; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:32:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 530C2472127 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29196-01-3 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A25F474077 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [86.14.227.177] (helo=linux.site) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML21M-1Gd96R0dvG-0006ry; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:33:15 +0200 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:33:10 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <94dbe87b4e.martinv@ucs.de> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org, John Pettigrew X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.28 (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1838767798--2047272647--1491432675"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 722 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@xl-cambridge.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1838767798--2047272647--1491432675 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You wrote: > In message <94dbe87b4e.martinv@ucs.de> > Martin Vethake wrote: > > Exactly, the 'D' in 'PDF' has always annoyed me. PDF is by no means > > a 'Document', it is rather a _printed_ document. You better have the > > original somewhere or may be screwed royally. >=20 > The problem is that !PDF goes down to a particularly low level (single > characters) to ensure accurate rendering. It could preserve more of the= text > structure at the expense of not preserving the original formatting exac= tly > [snip] So, to sum it up: OvationPro (or any other word processor) with = PDF > import could do a much better job. True. For example, KWrite (the word-processor in the KOffice suite) does = a fairly respectable job of importing PDFs in an editable way. It maintains= text stories and rough placement, as well as font formatting. I've used it to rescue documents sent to clients by authors as PDFs only. Given that the code will be GPL (as part of the KDE software package), it= 's available for study for pointers on how to do this. Or it might even be r= ipped out into an external filter for OvPro. John --=20 John Pettigrew http://john.pettigrew.org.uk/ http://john.pettigrew.org.uk/blog/ --1838767798--2047272647--1491432675 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFQPFap6M/P/S/JWgRApgqAJ9NalXOb8OMDHUlG0uT9wd5lM9WIwCePuPS CfIjcqR/IQA3OCNZUkIz9fw= =YkBd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1838767798--2047272647--1491432675-- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Oct 26 22:19:59 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GdCct-16kknw-08-EV2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:19:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GdCct-16kknw-08-EV2; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:18:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GdCct-16kknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:18:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GdCct-0003uI-Fz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:18:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DAE64476A16; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21448-02; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75273476A4B; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:17:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 544EB476A16 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21305-06 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24864476A7B for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GdCcB-000AVX-A8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:18:15 +0000 Message-ID: <8l0nLXCMXSQFFwqx@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:17:00 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <94dbe87b4e.martinv@ucs.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 723 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , John Pettigrew writes >True. For example, KWrite (the word-processor in the KOffice suite) does a >fairly respectable job of importing PDFs in an editable way. It maintains text >stories and rough placement, as well as font formatting. I've used it to >rescue documents sent to clients by authors as PDFs only. Adobe reader 7.0 has a "Save as Text" option on the File menu (or you can mark text with the select tool and copy to the clipboard). You can also configure various ways of working out where the text is. I've seen files where this facility just returns junk (and so does GhostScript) - any ideas why this happens? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 27 11:50:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GdESz-1mAGPo-01-Cew."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:50:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GdESz-1mAGPo-01-Cew; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:16:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GdESz-1mAGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:16:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GdESz-0003Kr-4k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:16:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D769477533; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26262-02-4; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F412147756D; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:15:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5AE26477533 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26020-01-3 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D26047752E for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GdESG-0005Cm-Be for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:16:08 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:13:16 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import Message-ID: References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 724 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 26 Oct, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > If you save as Draw from !PDF, then each character becomes an > individual Draw object. This means that you can barely do even the > most basic editing and there is no way to insert anything and reflow > the text. If I remember right, Rosemary Miskin's TidyDraw application recombines most of the words - and makes the file smaller thereby. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 27 11:53:08 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GdNRo-0OPVbs-07-CCd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:53:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GdNRo-0OPVbs-07-CCd; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:52:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GdNRo-0OPVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:52:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GdNRo-0001P5-6w for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:52:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C428477820; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05603-03-2; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC1CD47788A; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:50:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 14E6C4776F3 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05211-04 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rutherford.zen.co.uk (rutherford.zen.co.uk [212.23.3.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFB3E4777A4 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 04:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [82.69.6.223] (helo=[192.168.0.9]) by rutherford.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GdNR3-0004aR-Nr for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:51:29 +0000 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:51:01 +0100 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8l0nLXCMXSQFFwqx@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <94dbe87b4e.martinv@ucs.de> <8l0nLXCMXSQFFwqx@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.28l (Qt/3.3.6) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Originating-Rutherford-IP: [82.69.6.223] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 725 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message , John Pettigrew > writes > > True. For example, KWrite (the word-processor in the KOffice suite) > > does a fairly respectable job of importing PDFs in an editable way. It > > maintains text stories and rough placement, as well as font > > formatting. I've used it to rescue documents sent to clients by > > authors as PDFs only. > > Adobe reader 7.0 has a "Save as Text" option on the File menu (or you > can mark text with the select tool and copy to the clipboard). You can > also configure various ways of working out where the text is. > > I've seen files where this facility just returns junk (and so does > GhostScript) - any ideas why this happens? Because the page has been imported as a graphic? I've had this a couple of times, for that reason. Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 27 12:10:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GdPai-27b000-08-A3j."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:10:35 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GdPai-27b000-08-A3j; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:09:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GdPai-27b000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:09:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GdPai-0007PO-1C for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:09:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4890B478FCB; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19011-03-11; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA916478AA1; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:08:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1DFE2478FCB for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18708-04-2 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1579747926D for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GdPZz-000J24-Aa for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:08:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:07:09 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <94dbe87b4e.martinv@ucs.de> <8l0nLXCMXSQFFwqx@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 726 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , Ray Dawson writes >> I've seen files where this facility just returns junk (and so does >> GhostScript) - any ideas why this happens? >Because the page has been imported as a graphic? >I've had this a couple of times, for that reason. I don't think so. For one thing it is possible to select text at the character level, secondly text is saved - I guess Adobe would be smart enough to not save out a graphic as text anyway. The PDF is also not encrypted or security protected. One idea is that the document has been prepared using a font with a strange encoding and the encoding has not been put into the PDF. Or maybe it is using a range of Unicode which standard fonts do not support. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 27 12:40:37 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GdPzT-3hlknw-01-9ey."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:40:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GdPzT-3hlknw-01-9ey; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:35:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GdPzT-3hlknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:35:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GdPzS-00001w-V7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:35:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E08B3477362; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26147-01-7; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E38854773B0; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:33:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A89447713A for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25909-02 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (smtp.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5495547737E for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 173.206.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.206.173] helo=riscpc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GdPyR-0007kc-2C for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:34:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Identifying prorams in postings To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dave Barnett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:30:52 +0100 Message-ID: <355a5a7c4e.Dave@invalid.davebarnett.me.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 727 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dave@davebarnett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David's software is so diverse and good that most RISC OS users, and all Windro$$ users should, have some. But this mailing list covers both platforms and all software. Most often the subject headings give little clue to which software is being discussed, e.g. "Find and Replace". Could I appeal to contributors to give us a clue? A perfect example of 'how to' is: SparkFS batch processing. -- Dave From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 27 14:20:42 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GdRXZ-0yB000-07-GdO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:20:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GdRXZ-0yB000-07-GdO; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:14:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GdRXZ-0yB000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:14:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GdRXY-0001OD-TN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:14:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67A5B479E90; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26232-03-8; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3C14479EA4; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:12:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C41E479F18 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26019-04 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout01.ims-firmen.de (mailout01.ims-firmen.de [213.174.32.96]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59126479E37 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailin03.ims-firmen.de ([192.168.1.112]) by mailout01.ims-firmen.de with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GdRWS-0007xK-3S for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:13:20 +0200 Received: from [87.245.55.141] (helo=ucs.de) by mailin03.ims-firmen.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GdRWR-0007pY-Rt for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:13:20 +0200 Received: from martinv by ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 2.04) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 27 Oct 2006 15:14:12 +0200 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:14:11 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: pdf-import Message-ID: References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <94dbe87b4e.martinv@ucs.de> <8l0nLXCMXSQFFwqx@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8l0nLXCMXSQFFwqx@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: UCS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (RemoteNB/2.04) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 728 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <8l0nLXCMXSQFFwqx@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message , John Pettigrew > writes [snip] > I've seen files where this facility just returns junk (and so does > GhostScript) - any ideas why this happens? > That may be documents with embedded fonts using non-standard encodings perhaps. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 27 17:00:53 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GdU6l-2jb000-08-E4C."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:00:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GdU6l-2jb000-08-E4C; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:58:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GdU6l-2jb000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:58:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GdU6h-0006fe-Fa for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:58:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E00B447A527; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23745-01-2; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B2F347A4E7; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:53:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F08D947A44F for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23522-07 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DB2A47A3AD for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.215.37.7] (vpn-007.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.7]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9RErtVW008389 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:53:55 +0100 Message-ID: <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:54:47 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 729 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) A couple of weeks ago I had occasion to do a complete reinstall of Windows XP SP2. I took the opportunity to install the latest version of OPW using the Online installer. Today is the first time I've used OPW since installing v2.92. I notice that the "Save As" button doesn't work (with left-click or right-click), i.e. the asterisk remains aginst the document name on the title bar . Has anyone else noticed this? -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 27 18:30:55 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GdVTe-1zY000-07-ChJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:30:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GdVTe-1zY000-07-ChJ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:26:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GdVTe-1zY000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:26:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GdVO8-0007SS-Go for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:21:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EDA947B0F9; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32262-02-7; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF4B047B096; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:18:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C105B47B11D for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32026-01 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6B3E47B0AB for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GdVMY-000Lvd-JT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:19:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:18:13 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 730 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >I notice that the "Save As" button doesn't work (with left-click or >right-click), i.e. the asterisk remains aginst the document name on the >title bar . Has anyone else noticed this? When you say it doesn't work, do you mean you don't get the chance to save a file (i.e. no save dialogue)? that the file is not saved? or just that the * does not vanish from the title bar? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 27 20:21:05 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GdXCA-0ROGPo-06-Ayn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:21:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GdXCA-0ROGPo-06-Ayn; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:16:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GdXCA-0ROGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:16:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GdXBy-0000XN-MJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:16:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 229C147B902; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01030-03; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1ECB47B847; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:12:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1945247B253 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00609-02 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3F2747B229 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.215.37.7] (vpn-007.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.7]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9RJDcwS010073 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:13:38 +0100 Message-ID: <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:13:48 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 731 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> I notice that the "Save As" button doesn't work (with left-click or >> right-click), i.e. the asterisk remains aginst the document name on >> the title bar . Has anyone else noticed this? > > When you say it doesn't work, do you mean you don't get the chance to > save a file (i.e. no save dialogue)? that the file is not saved? or just > that the * does not vanish from the title bar? None of the above. The "Save" button (vs "Save as") works. -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Oct 27 22:11:05 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GdYyj-1vdVbs-06-9CE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:11:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GdYyj-1vdVbs-06-9CE; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:11:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GdYyj-1vdVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:11:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GdYyh-0001OI-UF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:11:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0CBE47BC26; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14994-01-3; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5757A47BC55; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:09:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1403747B897 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14539-07 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C480547BBDE for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GdYxy-0002jQ-3I for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:10:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:09:13 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 732 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >David Pilling wrote: >> In message <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >> writes >>> I notice that the "Save As" button doesn't work (with left-click or >>>right-click), i.e. the asterisk remains aginst the document name on >>>the title bar . Has anyone else noticed this? >> When you say it doesn't work, do you mean you don't get the chance >>to save a file (i.e. no save dialogue)? that the file is not saved? or >>just that the * does not vanish from the title bar? > >None of the above. The "Save" button (vs "Save as") works. It works OK for me. I have a dim memory of hearing this problem before, but I can't bring to mind what the solution was, or find the problem in the mail list archives. Try "Save StyleSheet" or "Open" from the OP file menu. The dialogues that open are standard Windows ones supplied by Windows - you'll find many programs use them. It is possible for them to be replaced or for them to fail. So it would be interesting to see if they work from other programs e.g. DPScan. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 28 11:20:47 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gda3y-0Hp000-05-GdV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:20:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gda3y-0Hp000-05-GdV; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:20:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gda3y-0Hp000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:20:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gda3v-0004qo-4U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:20:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B3EF147BCE1; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12670-03; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 539D847BC33; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:19:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44DBB47BCE1 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12343-01 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A0D2447BDFA for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.215.37.140] (vpn-140.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.140]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9RMJXFb011037 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:19:33 +0100 Message-ID: <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:20:12 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 733 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> David Pilling wrote: >>> In message <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >>> writes >>>> I notice that the "Save As" button doesn't work (with left-click or >>>> right-click), i.e. the asterisk remains aginst the document name on >>>> the title bar . Has anyone else noticed this? >>> When you say it doesn't work, do you mean you don't get the chance >>> to save a file (i.e. no save dialogue)? that the file is not saved? >>> or just that the * does not vanish from the title bar? >> >> None of the above. The "Save" button (vs "Save as") works. > > It works OK for me. After playing around some more, I think it's a problem with my setup, not OPW. > > I have a dim memory of hearing this problem before, but I can't bring to > mind what the solution was, or find the problem in the mail list archives. > > Try "Save StyleSheet" or "Open" from the OP file menu. Both work, but take a long time ... 45+ seconds. Same with File>Save As > > The dialogues that open are standard Windows ones supplied by Windows - > you'll find many programs use them. It is possible for them to be > replaced or for them to fail. So it would be interesting to see if they > work from other programs e.g. DPScan. After a scan ... 45 seconds to Save Frame As Now, I notice I get the a similarly slow Save As response from MSWORD. Clearly, something is awry :( -- Clive Bonsall Head of Archaeology School of Arts, Culture and Environment University of Edinburgh Old High School Infirmary Street Edinburgh, EH1 1LT Tel: +44-131-650 2375/666 0262 Fax: +44-131-650 2378 Archaeology Home Page: http://www.arcl.ed.ac.uk/ Personal Home Page: http://www.arcl.ed.ac.uk/arch/clivebonsall/ Masters programmes: http://www.arcl.ed.ac.uk/Archaeology_PG_MSc.html From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 28 11:30:27 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GdlQl-0rJ000-04-DnE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:30:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GdlQl-0rJ000-04-DnE; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:28:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GdlQl-0rJ000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:28:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GdlQj-0001Yl-RJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:28:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 119544799F9; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15015-04; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAA5B477762; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:27:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFA5747871A for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14778-01 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0AFB3477854 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GdlPu-0003DQ-2c for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:27:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:26:14 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 734 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >After a scan ... 45 seconds to Save Frame As >Now, I notice I get the a similarly slow Save As response from MSWORD. What can happen with Windows is that it has a list of visited folders and some of those no longer exist (e.g. on a network) there is then a long delay whilst it attempts to look at them. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 28 12:30:32 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GdmHx-3UO000-04-Cw2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:30:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GdmHx-3UO000-04-Cw2; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:23:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GdmHx-3UO000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:23:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GdmHw-0003W8-HF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:23:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E6FE47BFA0; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09292-02-3; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89DA747BF9F; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:22:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41AE647ADA8 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08935-08 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E027347B92C for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.215.37.152] (vpn-152.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.152]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9SBN1Fo016496 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:23:02 +0100 Message-ID: <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:23:38 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 735 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> After a scan ... 45 seconds to Save Frame As >> Now, I notice I get the a similarly slow Save As response from MSWORD. > > What can happen with Windows is that it has a list of visited folders > and some of those no longer exist (e.g. on a network) there is then a > long delay whilst it attempts to look at them. It's possible that was the problem ... my home computer is linked into the University of Edinburgh network via Cisco's VPN Client, but the folders I was attempting to save to are on my local C_drive. Anyway, after switching on the computer this morning, I notice that File>Save As from OPW and MSWORD is working normally. But, I'm afraid the Save As button in OPW still won't work. No doubt the cause is some interaction within WinXP. Tho' I'm mystified as to what it can be. Everything else seems to be working perfectly. There's always the possibility of a hardware fault, I suppose --- it's a fairly old motherboard, with a lot of stuff plugged into it. The reason I did a complete Windows reinstall a couple of weeks ago was to cure the dreaded blue screen on boot-up with a Bugcode_USBdriver error. I think I've now tracked down that problem to a malfunctioning Sweex multipanel (card reader/USB/firewire combo), which has now been removed from the computer. I may replace the computer in a few weeks, which will mean reinstalling all my software (not something I look forward to). In the meantime, if anybody has an ideas on why the Save As button won't work in OPW ...? -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 28 12:40:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GdmTw-3r6000-07-Ck3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:40:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GdmTw-3r6000-07-Ck3; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:36:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GdmTw-3r6000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:36:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GdmTw-00023V-Dc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:36:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4617547C172; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14740-03; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D85CF47C702; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:34:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34AA647C6CE for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14226-02 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9A2A47C106 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GdmTB-0001gH-80 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:35:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:33:47 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 736 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >University of Edinburgh network via Cisco's VPN Client, but the folders >I was attempting to save to are on my local C_drive. Of course it is not the ones you're accessing now that sometimes cause the time delay, it is ones that you accessed once upon a time. >software (not something I look forward to). In the meantime, if anybody >has an ideas on why the Save As button won't work in OPW ...? but it is a time delay right? not a complete lack of function. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Oct 28 22:10:59 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GdvOu-4e2knw-07-CLb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:10:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GdvOu-4e2knw-07-CLb; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 21:07:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GdvOu-4e2knw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 21:07:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GdvOu-0004I7-G6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 21:07:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C37247BA99; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08180-06; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D507147B1D8; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:06:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 37AAF47BDF7 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08047-04 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05E1647B1D8 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RiscPC (85-210-173-42.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.173.42]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F824E000087 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:06:49 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:01:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) Message-ID: <4e7cdb7c67steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 737 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 28 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > In message <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > >After a scan ... 45 seconds to Save Frame As > >Now, I notice I get the a similarly slow Save As response from MSWORD. > What can happen with Windows is that it has a list of visited folders > and some of those no longer exist (e.g. on a network) there is then a > long delay whilst it attempts to look at them. What *does* happen with Windows (unless you tweak certain bits of the registry) is that it checks all known drives are actually present/accessible before accessing the one you told it to use (which might actually be the local (C:) This becomes a bigger problem when you have networked machines and one presenting a shared folder/drive is either not present or slow responding. For people with just single (standalone) machines the quickest way to slow them down is to plug in a USB memory stick that only works with USB1 speeds. -- Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 12:26:09 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ge7ZM-4K0Vbs-05-8hf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:26:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ge7ZM-4K0Vbs-05-8hf; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:07:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ge7ZM-4K0Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:07:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ge7ZL-0006GX-V9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:07:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B102F47D5BE; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12747-10; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5059847D02C; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:05:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17A3C47D1F4 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12586-05 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB12F47D1C8 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.215.37.146] (vpn-146.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.146]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9TA6PSx029618 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:06:25 GMT Message-ID: <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:07:11 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 738 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> University of Edinburgh network via Cisco's VPN Client, but the >> folders I was attempting to save to are on my local C_drive. > > Of course it is not the ones you're accessing now that sometimes cause > the time delay, it is ones that you accessed once upon a time. > >> software (not something I look forward to). In the meantime, if >> anybody has an ideas on why the Save As button won't work in OPW ...? > > but it is a time delay right? not a complete lack of function. True ... but, in theory, could the time delay not be hardware related, e.g. defective hard drive? However, I'm less concerned about the time delay than the non-functioning Save As button. And this morning I notice that the File Info button in OPW is also not working ... tho' File>Info works. What does this suggest? Bad interaction with another piece of software? Imperfectly installed Windows XP? -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 12:27:32 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GeD9j-4Nwknw-06-Bdo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:27:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GeD9j-4Nwknw-06-Bdo; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:05:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GeD9j-4Nwknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:05:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GeD9i-0007AU-Ud for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:05:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4478C47D09A; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31656-01; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D708147CDD4; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:03:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5EED547D020 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31444-10 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2BC4047CEA6 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC (85-210-173-42.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.173.42]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E148E0002DC for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:04:17 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:35:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) Message-ID: <4e7d786662steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 739 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 29 Oct, Clive Bonsall wrote: > True ... but, in theory, could the time delay not be hardware related, > e.g. defective hard drive? More likely a slow response from a local drive (or a network share) http://www.ss64.com/nt/slow_browsing.html but the slow response could be a slow network printer, or a rather large number of shortcuts in your recent files directory (which Windows never empties) The tips for speeding up windows response times in these sort of circumstances are enough to keep you in reading for weeks. -- Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 12:27:33 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GeDY8-0MJGPo-02-BFP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:27:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GeDY8-0MJGPo-02-BFP; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:30:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GeDY8-0MJGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:30:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GeDY7-0001Pg-OC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:30:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A02E478C8E; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03279-09; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC9F347BE97; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:29:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:28:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04340478C8E for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:28:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03147-02 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9812F47BE91 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.215.37.47] (vpn-047.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.47]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9TGTXWX003843 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:29:33 GMT Message-ID: <4544D719.3030401@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 16:30:17 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4e7d786662steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4e7d786662steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 740 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Steven Pampling wrote: > On 29 Oct, Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> True ... but, in theory, could the time delay not be hardware related, >> e.g. defective hard drive? > > More likely a slow response from a local drive (or a network share) > http://www.ss64.com/nt/slow_browsing.html > > but the slow response could be a slow network printer, or a rather large > number of shortcuts in your recent files directory (which Windows never > empties) > > The tips for speeding up windows response times in these sort of > circumstances are enough to keep you in reading for weeks. Thanks for pointing that out ... I'll investigate. -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 12:31:41 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GeTFM-0PGGPo-05-CbD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:31:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GeTFM-0PGGPo-05-CbD; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:15:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GeTFM-0PGGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:15:56 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GeTFL-0004q3-Hu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:15:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B252D47DD1E; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26995-03; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4704F47D964; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:14:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D158047DD1E for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26904-06 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 6E1AD47D95B for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([87.244.68.245]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.5.0-7) with SMTP id ITU21841 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:16:41 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3A3BDDB7-176F-4EFF-A945-F9DCE314295D@talibard.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: David Pilling From: Michael Talibard Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro print from start-up Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:15:07 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 741 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I am using OvPro 2.76 on an Iyonix with RiscOS 5.12 (with USB2) - but this is an old problem that occurred with previous versions of OvPro and with 5.11, 5.09, etc. I have been working around it for ages, but would like it fixed if possible. The printer is an HP LaserJet 1100, driven by an HP LaserJet 6 driver. It all works well, aside from what follows. From start-up, if OvPro is the first program I try to print from, I get the window that asks how many pages, etc (and knows what printer I'm using) but then I always get an error message. ISTR different ones in the past, but currently I am getting " Can't open 'Printer:' " USB Kick is no help with this. Ways to work around this: 1. First print something from another software package, such as !Edit or !Datapower, which don't share the problem. OvPro will then function normally. 2. Unplug and re-connect the printer. (By the way, the !Printers Printer control window changes when you do this, from showing the connection as USB6 to USB8.) OvPro will then print. I suppose this could be a USB problem or an Iyonix problem, but the other programs do work. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 12:31:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GeTfT-2lgGPo-08-CB6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:31:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GeTfT-2lgGPo-08-CB6; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:42:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GeTfT-2lgGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:42:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GeTfT-0002I9-4z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:42:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B99147E93C; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:42:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30975-07; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:42:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0054847E4F2; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:41:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FF3B47E93C for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:41:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30907-08 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:41:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E2C047E414 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:41:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.140] (helo=anti-virus02-07) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeTek-0007lg-Cq for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:42:10 +0000 Received: from [213.48.202.91] (helo=localhost.com.nom) by asmtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeTei-0001k4-Op for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:42:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: David Pilling Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:41:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro print from start-up Message-ID: <4e7ddbdaa3Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <3A3BDDB7-176F-4EFF-A945-F9DCE314295D@talibard.com> References: <3A3BDDB7-176F-4EFF-A945-F9DCE314295D@talibard.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 742 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <3A3BDDB7-176F-4EFF-A945-F9DCE314295D@talibard.com>, Michael Talibard wrote: > I am using OvPro 2.76 on an Iyonix with RiscOS 5.12 (with USB2) - but > this is an old problem that occurred with previous versions of OvPro > and with 5.11, 5.09, etc. The printer is an HP LaserJet 1100, > driven by an HP LaserJet 6 driver. It all works well, aside from what > follows. > From start-up, if OvPro is the first program I try to print from, I > get the window that asks how many pages, etc (and knows what printer > I'm using) but then I always get an error message. ISTR different ones > in the past, but currently I am getting " Can't open 'Printer:' " What does '*Show Printer$Path" reveal? > USB Kick is no help with this. It wouldn't but !PrintSpool should. > Ways to work around this: [Snip] > I suppose this could be a USB problem or an Iyonix problem, but the > other programs do work. It's a peculiarity of pop-up !Printers. If you click on the !Printers icon for the LaserJet before printing from OvPro it should work. HTH, Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 12:31:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GeV1X-2uSVbs-04-Ap2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:31:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GeV1X-2uSVbs-04-Ap2; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:09:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GeV1X-2uSVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:09:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GeV1W-0000lR-Gz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:09:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E113147EE6B; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11974-04; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85AA147E40D; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:08:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5986447EE6B for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11820-04 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id F10F747EE2E for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([87.244.68.245]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.5.0-7) with SMTP id IVO00033 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:10:33 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4e7ddbdaa3Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> References: <3A3BDDB7-176F-4EFF-A945-F9DCE314295D@talibard.com> <4e7ddbdaa3Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Talibard Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro print from start-up Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:08:58 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 743 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 30 Oct 2006, at 9:41, Ian Hamilton wrote: > [snip] >> From start-up, if OvPro is the first program I try to print from, I >> get the window that asks how many pages, etc (and knows what printer >> I'm using) but then I always get an error message. ISTR different >> ones >> in the past, but currently I am getting " Can't open 'Printer:' " > > [snip] > If you click on the !Printers > icon for the LaserJet before printing from OvPro it should work. Magic! I'd never have thought of that. Many thanks! p.s. Why don't Edit or Datapower need that click? From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 12:31:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GeVVB-1JrGPo-02-ALO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:31:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GeVVB-1JrGPo-02-ALO; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:40:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GeVVB-1JrGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:40:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GeVVB-00061z-0d for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:40:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E11C47EFDB; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16352-01; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EBD347EB89; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:39:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5ABBA47EF68 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:39:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16184-05 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:39:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1EA8D47DBE6 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:39:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.23.170.143] (helo=anti-virus02-10) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeVUS-0002zL-E1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:39:40 +0000 Received: from [213.48.202.118] (helo=localhost.com.nom) by asmtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeVUK-0004Sj-Oo for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:39:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:38:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro print from start-up Message-ID: <4e7de69919Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: References: <3A3BDDB7-176F-4EFF-A945-F9DCE314295D@talibard.com> <4e7ddbdaa3Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 744 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Michael Talibard wrote: > On 30 Oct 2006, at 9:41, Ian Hamilton wrote: > > [snip] > >> From start-up, if OvPro is the first program I try to print from, I > >> get the window that asks how many pages, etc (and knows what printer > >> I'm using) but then I always get an error message. ISTR different > >> ones in the past, but currently I am getting " Can't open 'Printer:' > >> " > > > > [snip] > > If you click on the !Printers icon for the LaserJet before printing > > from OvPro it should work. > Magic! I'd never have thought of that. Many thanks! !PrintSpool would correct it too. > p.s. Why don't Edit or Datapower need that click? It's connected with how applications use the message protocols. Some combinations cause the equivalent effect to clicking on the !Printers icon. Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 12:31:56 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GeVef-2bsGPo-04-ABu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:31:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GeVef-2bsGPo-04-ABu; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:50:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GeVef-2bsGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:50:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GeVee-0004XG-Vb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:50:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 25DF347EFA1; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17475-05; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B96F547EFF0; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:49:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:48:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B0B1947EFA1 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17256-07 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6844247EFA0 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k9UBnHMK017358 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:49:25 GMT In-Reply-To: <4e7cdb7c67steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:50:53 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 745 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > In message <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > > writes > > >After a scan ... 45 seconds to Save Frame As > > >Now, I notice I get the a similarly slow Save As response from MSWORD. > > > What can happen with Windows is that it has a list of visited folders > > and some of those no longer exist (e.g. on a network) there is then a > > long delay whilst it attempts to look at them. > > What *does* happen with Windows (unless you tweak certain bits of the > registry) is that it checks all known drives are actually > present/accessible before accessing the one you told it to use (which might > actually be the local (C:) > If you are using Windows XP then if the 'My Network Places' folder contains a shortcut to a network share, then each refresh of the explorer window will attempt to read icon information from every file in the remote location, causing the system to slow to a crawl, particularly if the network drive is no longer available. Removing all shortcuts from 'My Network Places' will return the system response to normal. Every time you open a file via a UNC name, Windows XP will automatically add another shortcut to the 'My Network Places' folder - so the issue tends to get worse over time. You can prevent the automatic addition of shortcuts by setting HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer\NoRecentDocsNetHood to 1. HTH Andy Ling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 12:43:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GeWRP-2m8GPo-06-9PA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:43:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GeWRP-2m8GPo-06-9PA; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:40:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GeWRP-2m8GPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:40:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GeWRL-0004bt-FC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:40:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2AB0147E92C; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25354-05; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41EC547E920; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:39:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:38:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEC1D47E4E9 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:38:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24832-10 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:38:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52CB047E321 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:38:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GeWPQ-000Kek-Ej for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:38:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:37:11 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvPro print from start-up References: <3A3BDDB7-176F-4EFF-A945-F9DCE314295D@talibard.com> <4e7ddbdaa3Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 746 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , Michael Talibard writes >p.s. Why don't Edit or Datapower need that click? There are different ways of printing: (1) text printing e.g. Edit (2) old style graphics printing e.g. Impression (3) new style graphics printing e.g. Draw Ovation Pro has to use (2) or (3) (ISTR Ovation could do 1), Ovation Pro print choices will let you pick between (2) or (3) though. As ever you have to compare like with like - i.e. things that print the same way. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 12:43:36 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GeWRj-3pw000-01-9Oq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:43:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GeWRj-3pw000-01-9Oq; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:40:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GeWRj-3pw000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:40:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GeWRf-0004lU-CD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:40:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DB2B47E66D; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:40:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25393-08; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:40:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD5DE47E542; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:39:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61F7C47E855 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25323-03 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D61BE47E827 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GeWQc-000Kyj-E7 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:39:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:38:28 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 747 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >However, I'm less concerned about the time delay than the >non-functioning Save As button. And this morning I notice that the File >Info button in OPW is also not working ... tho' File>Info works. What >does this suggest? Bad interaction with another piece of software? >Imperfectly installed Windows XP? Can we go through this again, I thought that the only problem was a time delay on "Save as". File Info button not working suggests macro definitions changed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 13:43:40 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GeXPL-0BLVbs-04-Gxk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:43:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GeXPL-0BLVbs-04-Gxk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:42:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GeXPL-0BLVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:42:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GeXPL-00077y-4R for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:42:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 256A247F0D3; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02420-09; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B86E547F0B7; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:41:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:41:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 537AE47F0D3 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02282-09 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E673347F093 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.215.37.39] (vpn-039.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.39]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9UDfnft013393 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:41:49 GMT Message-ID: <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:42:03 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <8b5c5c7a4e.arnold@ac-zuil.?> <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 748 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> However, I'm less concerned about the time delay than the >> non-functioning Save As button. And this morning I notice that the >> File Info button in OPW is also not working ... tho' File>Info works. >> What does this suggest? Bad interaction with another piece of >> software? Imperfectly installed Windows XP? > > Can we go through this again, I thought that the only problem was a time > delay on "Save as". > > File Info button not working suggests macro definitions changed. There is (frequently) a time delay on save operations from various applications, not just OPW. Specific to OPW is the fact that neither the FileInfo nor SaveAs buttons appear to work, altho' File>Info and File>SaveAs do work ... albeit with some delay. I have not made any changes (intentionally) to the macro definitions. They are: {open_menu(savedocument_box(1))} {open_menu(fileinfo_box(1))} In case it may be a related problem ... I now notice that attempts to save IllustratorCS2 format files fail with the error message "An unknown error has occurred". It doesn't seem to matter where I attempt to save to --- local hard drive, pen drive, network drive --- so I don't think the hard disk or controller are at fault. -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 17:53:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GebBI-4PG000-06-DBn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:53:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GebBI-4PG000-06-DBn; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:44:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GebBI-4PG000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:44:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Geb6r-00024H-3A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:39:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17E0947F7D6; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:34:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20270-03-3; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:34:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B76C847FD22; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:34:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4CD7D47F7D6 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:34:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20007-08 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:34:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55B0B47F9CA for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Geb23-000F7a-E2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:34:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:33:26 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 749 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >I have not made any changes (intentionally) to the macro definitions. >They are: > >{open_menu(savedocument_box(1))} >{open_menu(fileinfo_box(1))} They are the definitions for RISC OS, the Windows ones are: {openfilesaveas()} {openfileinfo()} Incidentally if you double click on the name of a macro it is executed - sometimes that makes testing easier. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 18:23:53 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GebiA-3peVbs-02-Cev."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:23:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GebiA-3peVbs-02-Cev; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:18:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GebiA-3peVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:18:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gebi5-0000Ix-F9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:18:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 582D448005C; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:13:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28180-05; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:13:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1477480058; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:13:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C196747FFA0 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28020-10 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7AF047FF14 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:12:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061030181334.KGPR1865.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:13:34 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [86.9.33.116]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061030181334.FIIB644.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:13:34 +0000 Message-ID: <454640E3.1000203@ntlworld.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:13:55 +0000 From: Ian A Dunn User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 750 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: i.dunn2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > >> I have not made any changes (intentionally) to the macro definitions. >> They are: >> >> {open_menu(savedocument_box(1))} >> {open_menu(fileinfo_box(1))} > > > They are the definitions for RISC OS, the Windows ones are: > > {openfilesaveas()} > {openfileinfo()} > > Incidentally if you double click on the name of a macro it is executed > - sometimes that makes testing easier. > > This is interesting , my buttons too seemed to be Risc Os and now they work excellent :-) Export doesn't work either , is there a list of the Windows defns for the Macros please somewhere ? Ian From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 18:44:03 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gec3v-1nwGPo-07-CJA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:44:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gec3v-1nwGPo-07-CJA; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:40:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gec3v-1nwGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:40:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gec3q-0006IR-O4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:40:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 617AB4800BB; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:38:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00575-01; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:38:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3755147FFC7; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:37:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D4E547FEFA for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00381-02-4 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1259C47FE09 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.215.37.39] (vpn-039.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.39]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9UIbkEP016324 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:37:46 GMT Message-ID: <454646BC.4000902@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:38:52 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 751 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> I have not made any changes (intentionally) to the macro definitions. >> They are: >> >> {open_menu(savedocument_box(1))} >> {open_menu(fileinfo_box(1))} > > They are the definitions for RISC OS, the Windows ones are: > > {openfilesaveas()} > {openfileinfo()} Well, no wonder ... So how come they are within OPW? -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 18:53:57 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GecAK-06Y000-04-CCl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:53:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GecAK-06Y000-04-CCl; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:47:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GecAK-06Y000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:47:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gec48-00058g-5Q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:41:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9757247FDA6; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00918-02; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31BD647FDA5; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:38:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11D6E47FDA6 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00692-03 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FC3E47FCF8 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:38:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gec2j-000GA5-3O for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:39:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:38:22 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> <454640E3.1000203@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <454640E3.1000203@ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 752 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <454640E3.1000203@ntlworld.com>, Ian A Dunn writes >Export doesn't work either , is there a list of the Windows defns for >the Macros please somewhere ? Export on the file menu? I wonder if this point should be mentioned with the other - there is no RISC OS export function so a similar mix up can't occur. Please explain what happens... As to the Windows macros definition... When you install OPW a !Macros file is written to a location akin to: C:\Program Files\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun If you change the macro definitions then the modified !Macros file goes into somewhere like: C:\Documents and Settings\David Pilling\Application Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun So a quick way to default the macros is to delete the latter file. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 18:53:59 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GecDm-0WM000-07-C9J."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:53:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GecDm-0WM000-07-C9J; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:50:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GecDm-0WM000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:50:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GecDj-0003Bc-Re for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:50:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6A8A47FE66; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:50:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02765-05; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:50:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E3694802BE; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:50:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:49:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E407480276 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02603-04 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0E9C348024D for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.215.37.39] (vpn-039.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.39]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9UInrYD016408 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:49:53 GMT Message-ID: <45464999.2000608@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:51:05 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 753 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> I have not made any changes (intentionally) to the macro definitions. >> They are: >> >> {open_menu(savedocument_box(1))} >> {open_menu(fileinfo_box(1))} > > They are the definitions for RISC OS, the Windows ones are: > > {openfilesaveas()} > {openfileinfo()} OK, that's sorted it. But ISTR something about right-click on the Save As button gives plain Save ... how do I get that back? > Incidentally if you double click on the name of a macro it is executed - > sometimes that makes testing easier. So it does. Useful to know. Thanks. -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 20:13:57 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GedMf-4TiVbs-07-B0Q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:13:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GedMf-4TiVbs-07-B0Q; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:04:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GedMf-4TiVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:04:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GedM2-0007Fq-Sv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:03:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 490A547FC8E; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16713-05; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26067480010; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:01:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46D1847FC8E for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16579-08-3 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B59FC47FD4F for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GedK5-0007Mz-5a for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:01:29 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Impression with Artwork files importing into OPW To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:01:18 GMT Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25S) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 754 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) One of our members is trying to import Impression Publisher files into the Ovation Pro for Windows, but is having problems with the Artworks files inside the Impression file. Anyone any suggestions. Bear in mind he no longer has Impression Publisher only Junior with VA5000. -- Chris Hughes From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 20:13:58 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GedN3-4bNVbs-02-B02."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:13:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GedN3-4bNVbs-02-B02; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:04:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GedN3-4bNVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:04:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GedMt-0000Wb-6Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:04:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45FDB47FFB4; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16786-08; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:02:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D9C4F47FC45; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:01:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 820EF47FFB4 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16701-06 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83B2847E20A for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061030200047.BCFH15018.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:00:47 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [86.9.33.116]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20061030200047.DLUL11710.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:00:47 +0000 Message-ID: <45465A04.7090903@ntlworld.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:01:08 +0000 From: Ian A Dunn User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> <454640E3.1000203@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 755 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: i.dunn2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <454640E3.1000203@ntlworld.com>, Ian A Dunn > writes > >> Export doesn't work either , is there a list of the Windows defns for >> the Macros please somewhere ? > > > Export on the file menu? > > I wonder if this point should be mentioned with the other - there is > no RISC OS export function so a similar mix up can't occur. > > Please explain what happens... > > > As to the Windows macros definition... When you install OPW a !Macros > file is written to a location akin to: > > C:\Program Files\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun > > > If you change the macro definitions then the modified !Macros file > goes into somewhere like: > > C:\Documents and Settings\David Pilling\Application > Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun > > So a quick way to default the macros is to delete the latter file. > > I haven't attempted to alter any macro definitions , at least not until today to make corrections as it were so I can only assume the Risc Os ones arrived with the download unless they have arrived via a document from Risc Os if that is possible ? Having altered the two offered and pressing save I find that on reloading they have returned again to the Risc Os ones :-( If I click on the Export button nothing happens rather as nothing happens again if I click on save as or info . Can I just confirm that I should be able to overwrite the default/pre existing macros by pressing save and that that should last until the next time I use OP ? Ian From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 21:34:13 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Geejx-1HMknw-02-9d8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:34:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Geejx-1HMknw-02-9d8; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:32:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Geejx-1HMknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:32:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Geejs-0003TG-53 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:32:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CF5C4806A5; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00781-09; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2CCC048075C; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:29:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 408B24806A5 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00657-02 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2AD314804DD for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Geei0-000GTs-GM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:30:16 +0000 Message-ID: <9An3ynEF6mRFFwAH@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:28:37 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> <454640E3.1000203@ntlworld.com> <45465A04.7090903@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <45465A04.7090903@ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 756 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <45465A04.7090903@ntlworld.com>, Ian A Dunn writes >Having altered the two offered and pressing save I find that on >reloading they have returned again to the Risc Os ones :-( There must be another script file defining macros somewhere. In the past people have distributed items which contain a !Macros file, which over writes the built in macros. >If I click on the Export button nothing happens rather as nothing >happens again if I click on save as or info . Correct definition is: {string s;if(export_name(s)) openexportbox(); else beep(0,0,0)} >Can I just confirm that I should be able to overwrite the default/pre >existing macros by pressing save and that that should last until the >next time I use OP Yes, it will permanently change the macro definitions (for your user name, not for all users). As I say above I think you've got another file somewhere that is defining macros. Where to start looking? Tell us what is in: C:\Program Files\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun and C:\Documents and Settings\David Pilling\Application Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun change "David Pilling" in the second to your user name on XP. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 21:44:02 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Geen2-2Xr000-08-9a3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:44:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Geen2-2Xr000-08-9a3; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:35:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Geen2-2Xr000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:35:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Geemz-0003CA-IX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:35:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8569F47AB58; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01572-04; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2ABC1480AB2; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:33:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6F06147AB58 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01405-06 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B6EE4809B0 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:33:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Geelw-000GCR-7J for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:34:20 +0000 Message-ID: <$gE3K$EL+mRFFwDL@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:32:59 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Impression with Artwork files importing into OPW References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 757 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , Chris Hughes writes >One of our members is trying to import Impression Publisher files into >the Ovation Pro for Windows, but is having problems with the Artworks >files inside the Impression file. I wonder what the problem is? Artworks files are not supported on Windows - that means they will not appear, but there should be no problems. One way of improving on this, is to use Ovation Pro on RISC OS to generate a "proxy image", rather than the usual low resolution image, choose a higher resolution. This amounts to converting ArtWorks to bitmap. I think there are stand alone Artworks to Sprite programs for RISC OS. So you could use that with Impression. Perhaps ArtWorks offers a save as Draw file function. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 21:44:08 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Geeum-2jIknw-02-9SJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:44:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Geeum-2jIknw-02-9SJ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:43:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Geeum-2jIknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:43:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Geeuf-0007g1-Nt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:43:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5967480881; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:41:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03120-06; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:41:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A6DC480B2A; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:41:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:41:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7162E48099D for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02622-09 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B2AA480835 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:41:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Geet6-000IAn-M6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:41:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:40:15 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> <45464999.2000608@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <45464999.2000608@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 758 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <45464999.2000608@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >OK, that's sorted it. But ISTR something about right-click on the Save >As button gives plain Save ... how do I get that back? I believe this extra functionality was something I wrote up on the mail list. I'm a bit disappointed that I have just failed to find it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Oct 30 21:54:03 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Geewf-3wF000-08-9QQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:54:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Geewf-3wF000-08-9QQ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:45:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Geewf-3wF000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:45:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Geewe-0004bi-U4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:45:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 09F064809B2; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03712-06; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:44:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BE84480989; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:44:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:44:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 075AC480B0B for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03456-08 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 68A31480B2B for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Geevv-0000KT-Cb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:44:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:45:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Impression with Artwork files importing into OPW Message-ID: <4e7e1e1e97charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$gE3K$EL+mRFFwDL@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <$gE3K$EL+mRFFwDL@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 759 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <$gE3K$EL+mRFFwDL@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In message , Chris Hughes > writes > >One of our members is trying to import Impression Publisher files into > >the Ovation Pro for Windows, but is having problems with the Artworks > >files inside the Impression file. > I wonder what the problem is? > Artworks files are not supported on Windows - that means they will not > appear, but there should be no problems. > One way of improving on this, is to use Ovation Pro on RISC OS to > generate a "proxy image", rather than the usual low resolution image, > choose a higher resolution. > This amounts to converting ArtWorks to bitmap. I think there are stand > alone Artworks to Sprite programs for RISC OS. So you could use that > with Impression. > Perhaps ArtWorks offers a save as Draw file function. It offers "Save as Draw or sprite or JPEG or TIFF, or ,," -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 31 11:49:22 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GeoY3-2Npknw-03-Gs4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:49:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GeoY3-2Npknw-03-Gs4; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:00:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GeoY3-2Npknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:00:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GeoY2-00052m-LP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:00:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B074A47FBC4; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13753-07; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5616F47FAD2; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:59:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B7964803E4 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13625-03 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA89847EE86 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.215.37.18] (vpn-018.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.18]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9V7xumW023778 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:59:56 GMT Message-ID: <45470282.50103@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:00:02 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 760 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Andy.Ling@quantel.com wrote: >>> In message <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >>> writes >>>> After a scan ... 45 seconds to Save Frame As >>>> Now, I notice I get the a similarly slow Save As response from > MSWORD. > > If you are using Windows XP then if the 'My Network Places' folder > contains > a shortcut to a network share, then each refresh of the explorer window > will > attempt to read icon information from every file in the remote location, > causing the system to slow to a crawl, particularly if the network drive > is > no longer available. > > Removing all shortcuts from 'My Network Places' will return the system > response to normal. In my case, I don't see any shortcuts in My Network Places. If what you describe IS the cause of the slow save response, if I were to (temporarily) disable the network connection, should I see the problem "go away"? -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 31 11:49:23 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Geobv-30Bknw-04-GoC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:49:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Geobv-30Bknw-04-GoC; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:04:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Geobv-30Bknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:04:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Geobv-0003rD-KD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:04:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FC074864F5; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14147-02; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 43FD94810EF; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:03:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E7374813DB for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13999-03 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D33CE481193 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.215.37.18] (vpn-018.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.18]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9V83wPP023821 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:03:58 GMT Message-ID: <45470375.9030402@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:04:05 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> <45464999.2000608@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 761 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <45464999.2000608@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> OK, that's sorted it. But ISTR something about right-click on the Save >> As button gives plain Save ... how do I get that back? > > I believe this extra functionality was something I wrote up on the mail > list. > > I'm a bit disappointed that I have just failed to find it. Thanks for looking. Normally, Ikeep a copy of particularly "informative" email messages from the list, but in this case I didn't. If anybody does remember how to set up the Save As button to give the functionality decsribed above, I'd appreciate a reminder. -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 31 11:49:23 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Geoem-2rYknw-02-GlL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:49:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Geoem-2rYknw-02-GlL; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:07:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Geoem-2rYknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:07:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Geoel-000110-Tf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:07:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08D164810F6; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14431-05; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A493847E4C8; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:06:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F0AE4810F6 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14249-09 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 184CE47E4C8 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Geoe4-000LiX-EG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:06:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:05:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) Message-ID: <4e7e56e451charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <45470282.50103@ed.ac.uk> References: <45470282.50103@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 762 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <45470282.50103@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Andy.Ling@quantel.com wrote: > >>> In message <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > >>> writes > >>>> After a scan ... 45 seconds to Save Frame As Now, I notice I get the > >>>> a similarly slow Save As response from > > MSWORD. > > > > If you are using Windows XP then if the 'My Network Places' folder > > contains a shortcut to a network share, then each refresh of the > > explorer window will attempt to read icon information from every file > > in the remote location, causing the system to slow to a crawl, > > particularly if the network drive is no longer available. > > > > Removing all shortcuts from 'My Network Places' will return the system > > response to normal. > In my case, I don't see any shortcuts in My Network Places. If what you > describe IS the cause of the slow save response, if I were to > (temporarily) disable the network connection, should I see the problem > "go away"? I think that all the icons seen in 'My network places' count as shortcuts. Removing these, on my old machine (now non-networked) has enormously speeded up the response of a machine I gave my daughter. Thanks, Andy, for the tip. -- >From KT24 - in "Leafy Surrey" Using a RISC OS computer running v5.11 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 31 11:49:23 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GeoiF-31Dknw-02-Ghs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:49:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GeoiF-31Dknw-02-Ghs; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:11:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GeoiF-31Dknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:11:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GeoiF-0003AB-F7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:11:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7AFFF4865DC; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:10:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14920-06-2; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:10:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE8BD486F90; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:10:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:09:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A97694865B8 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:09:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14686-09 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:09:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 528414865AF for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 03:09:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.215.37.18] (vpn-018.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.18]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9V8ASYl023861 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:10:29 GMT Message-ID: <454704FE.6010900@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:10:38 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <$RDn2CEsxnPFFwAc@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453E9340.6000104@ed.ac.uk> <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> <454640E3.1000203@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <454640E3.1000203@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 763 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Ian A Dunn wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > >> In message <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >> writes >> >>> I have not made any changes (intentionally) to the macro definitions. >>> They are: >>> >>> {open_menu(savedocument_box(1))} >>> {open_menu(fileinfo_box(1))} >> >> >> They are the definitions for RISC OS, the Windows ones are: >> >> {openfilesaveas()} >> {openfileinfo()} > This is interesting , my buttons too seemed to be Risc Os and now they > work excellent :-) Just for clarification ... are we saying that the RiscOS definitions have been there all along and that they work on some WinXP setups, including mine before I did the Windows reinstall and upgraded to OPW 2.92? Or are we saying that the RiscOS definitions have only reappeared in v2.92? -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 31 11:49:25 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Geq9m-4Izknw-06-FGL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:49:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Geq9m-4Izknw-06-FGL; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:43:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Geq9m-4Izknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:43:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Geq9l-0003Iy-P7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:43:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD9E348726C; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27687-02; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58805487277; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:42:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 86A57487247 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:42:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27530-09 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:42:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E092C48712B for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 04:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [88.134.53.46] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1Geq923IA8-0004fi; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:42:56 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Impression with Artwork files importing into OPW To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:29:38 +0100 Message-ID: References: <$gE3K$EL+mRFFwDL@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$gE3K$EL+mRFFwDL@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 764 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <$gE3K$EL+mRFFwDL@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > In message , Chris Hughes > writes >>One of our members is trying to import Impression Publisher files into >>the Ovation Pro for Windows, but is having problems with the Artworks >>files inside the Impression file. > [...] > One way of improving on this, is to use Ovation Pro on RISC OS to > generate a "proxy image", rather than the usual low resolution image, > choose a higher resolution. > > This amounts to converting ArtWorks to bitmap. I think there are stand > alone Artworks to Sprite programs for RISC OS. So you could use that > with Impression. Yes, for instance Tony Houghton's ArtToSpr at http://www.snowstone.org.uk/riscos/realh/ > Perhaps ArtWorks offers a save as Draw file function. It certainly does. In theory it should even be possible to create a hybrid Draw+ArtWorks file format that would display correctly as a Draw file in OPW (inasmuch as an ArtWorks file can be represented in Draw format nowadays, i.e., no transparency, no clipping, RGB colours, etc.) but that would still be editable as an ArtWorks file in ArtWorks (basically a Draw file that keeps a copy of the ArtWorks file in a special object). The question is how many users there are who use the RISC OS version of OP to create documents that need to display in OPW as well, who do their illustrations in ArtWorks and who would find that kind of in-document editing useful (as opposed to keeping a copy of the ArtWorks file somewhere and regenerating the Draw file after editing it). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 31 11:49:28 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GerGu-2gR000-07-E9D."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:49:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GerGu-2gR000-07-E9D; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:55:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GerGu-2gR000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:55:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GerGt-00073F-Ta for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:55:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D12A9480F7A; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:54:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05819-10; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:54:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7068648149D; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:54:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:53:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FBE0480F7A for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05619-10 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BCB0480475 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 05:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GerGB-0006jg-I2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:54:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:53:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) Message-ID: <4e7e664e7cevan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <828293fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> <45464999.2000608@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 765 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <45464999.2000608@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes > >OK, that's sorted it. But ISTR something about right-click on the Save > >As button gives plain Save ... how do I get that back? > I believe this extra functionality was something I wrote up on the mail > list. > I'm a bit disappointed that I have just failed to find it. Could this be it? It's from the thread 'Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb'. In article <9Eu9t3KzJp9DFwoK@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >at lest 50p for 'adjust click save' on the save icon :-) > >Pipedream, Easiwriter, Personal Accounts at least have a facility > >where an 'adjust click' on the save icon saves to the last used > >destination. > As supplied Ovation Pro has two button macros, one is "save as", the > other is "save". By default the "save as" button appears on the button > bar. > So if you want a save button the easiest thing is to go to the Macros > window and enable the "save" button. > Plan B. Is to save the bit between the cut lines as a script file (type > B24 on RISC OS, extension .csc on Windows): > ------------------------------------8<----------------------------------- > void main(void) > { > defmacro2(4+64,"saveas","{if((macenv & 0xFF00)==(4<<8)) > savedocument(\"\"); else if((macenv & 0xFF00)==(1<<8)) > openfilesaveas(); > else if((macenv & 0xFF00)==(8<<8)) macv=\"saveas\";}","saveas","Save > as.|MLeft click to save the current document using the Save As dialogue > box."); > } > ------------------------------------8<----------------------------------- > Double click run it, check that you now have a "save as" button which > saves when right clicked and offers to "save as" when left clicked. If > it is OK, go to Macros and click on Save. > I presume that is the upgrade you wanted 8-) HTH, Evan. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 31 11:49:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GerXu-0Keknw-01-DsD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:49:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GerXu-0Keknw-01-DsD; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:12:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GerXu-0Keknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:12:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GerXu-0006Z8-1b for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:12:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BA804872F7; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09042-07; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C6B94873F9; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:11:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:11:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F67648731A for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08741-01 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B9F2486DE3 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k9VBBkSb021710 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:11:46 GMT In-Reply-To: <45470282.50103@ed.ac.uk> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:13:22 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 766 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > If you are using Windows XP then if the 'My Network Places' folder > > contains > > a shortcut to a network share, then each refresh of the explorer window > > will > > attempt to read icon information from every file in the remote location, > > causing the system to slow to a crawl, particularly if the network drive > > is > > no longer available. > > > > Removing all shortcuts from 'My Network Places' will return the system > > response to normal. > > In my case, I don't see any shortcuts in My Network Places. If what you > describe IS the cause of the slow save response, if I were to > (temporarily) disable the network connection, should I see the problem > "go away"? As suggested by someone else, any icon in My Network Places apart from the "Add" and "Entire Network" are shortcuts. Also you may have "mapped" network drives. I'm not sure if these get included in the scan, but they will potentially be in the list of stuff looked at by the filer window. Disabling the network is likely to make the problem worse. As Windows will be trying to talk to a dead network Andy Ling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 31 12:17:26 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GesSn-0pUVbs-08-CxK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:17:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GesSn-0pUVbs-08-CxK; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:11:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GesSn-0pUVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:11:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GesSm-0002sf-H8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:11:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E84D4873CF; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:10:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20325-10; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:10:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 032D548744A; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:10:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:10:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D57D24873CF for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20153-03 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2A2D4873A3 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GesQi-000CrB-In for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:09:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:07:53 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> <454640E3.1000203@ntlworld.com> <454704FE.6010900@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <454704FE.6010900@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 768 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <454704FE.6010900@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Just for clarification ... are we saying that the RiscOS definitions >have been there all along and that they work on some WinXP setups, >including mine before I did the Windows reinstall and upgraded to OPW >2.92? Or are we saying that the RiscOS definitions have only reappeared >in v2.92? That's the question. One obvious possibility is that I have made a mess of things and am distributing the RISC OS definitions in the 2.92 release. Now experience suggests that if the fault can be mine it usually is. However I've checked a couple of times and it appears that the correct macro definitions are in the release version. The other possibility is that the macros are coming from somewhere else - a script file that is in an applet or has been put in one of the Autorun folders I have mentioned before. How complete was your new XP installation? did you format the drive or just reinstall over the old disc contents. Note that the contents of: C:\Documents and Settings\David Pilling\Application Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun take precedence and are not wiped clean by any install/uninstall you do. (as ever replace the initial "David Pilling" with your user name) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 31 12:17:28 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GesUx-1IfVbs-08-CvA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:17:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GesUx-1IfVbs-08-CvA; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:13:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GesUx-1IfVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:13:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GesHn-0001Vb-Db for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:00:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5EDFF4872BC; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17900-05; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 096EE4873C3; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:58:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9C394872BC for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17671-10 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7669D487252 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 06:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GesGq-000Dda-97 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:59:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:57:29 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> <45464999.2000608@ed.ac.uk> <4e7e664e7cevan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e7e664e7cevan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 767 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e7e664e7cevan@ejclark.force9.co.uk>, Evan Clark writes >Could this be it? >It's from the thread 'Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb'. Brilliant, thanks, that is it. Just to point out that version is for Windows, there is a slight tweek for RISC OS described later on in the archive. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 31 12:57:03 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Get8K-0JTknw-04-CHn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:57:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Get8K-0JTknw-04-CHn; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:54:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Get8K-0JTknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:54:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Get8I-0000KP-Vr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:54:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9AB944872F6; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28468-06; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F6AC4871C0; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:52:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32D714872F6 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28308-09 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D98834872D6 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:52:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.215.37.17] (vpn-017.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.17]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9VCrbHK026964 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:53:37 GMT Message-ID: <4547475A.902@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:53:46 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <453FCB31.2060300@ed.ac.uk> <8L8HARHQG9PFFwAn@pilling.demon.co.uk> <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> <454640E3.1000203@ntlworld.com> <454704FE.6010900@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 769 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <454704FE.6010900@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Just for clarification ... are we saying that the RiscOS definitions >> have been there all along and that they work on some WinXP setups, >> including mine before I did the Windows reinstall and upgraded to OPW >> 2.92? Or are we saying that the RiscOS definitions have only >> reappeared in v2.92? > > How complete was your new XP installation? did you format the drive or > just reinstall over the old disc contents. The drive was reformatted and all software installed afresh from the original CDs. > Note that the contents of: > > C:\Documents and Settings\David Pilling\Application > Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun > > take precedence and are not wiped clean by any install/uninstall you do. > (as ever replace the initial "David Pilling" with your user name) In this case, the AutoRun file should have been that which came with 2.92. AFAIR the only extras I've added since installing OPW 2.92 are the RTF and PDF filters. -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 31 17:57:14 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GexoD-0QD000-06-G8Q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:57:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GexoD-0QD000-06-G8Q; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:53:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GexoD-0QD000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:53:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GexoD-00018Q-5O for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:53:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D87A847CCE8; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28148-02-2; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29D0147D020; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:52:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F1DD487AD8 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27909-06 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88E60487AB6 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:52:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC (85-210-173-42.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.173.42]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3864E000199 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:53:08 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:52:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) Message-ID: <4e7e8c999fsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <45470282.50103@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 770 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 31 Oct, wrote: > Disabling the network is likely to make the problem worse. As Windows > will be trying to talk to a dead network It does, believe me. Small experience of dealing with systems on an enterprise LAN :-) -- Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 31 17:57:14 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GexpB-10c000-08-G7S."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:57:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GexpB-10c000-08-G7S; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:54:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GexpB-10c000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:54:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gexp9-0003Mz-Sv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:54:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7744D4870C3; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28380-03; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E1E1488115; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:53:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6C7D487EEF for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28170-05 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 76F2147D020 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GexoM-000N1L-G2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:54:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:53:05 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> <454640E3.1000203@ntlworld.com> <454704FE.6010900@ed.ac.uk> <4547475A.902@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4547475A.902@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 771 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4547475A.902@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >In this case, the AutoRun file should have been that which came with >2.92. AFAIR the only extras I've added since installing OPW 2.92 are >the RTF and PDF filters. A bit of a mystery I've just done an install of 2.92 and I got the correct macro definitions. Have you had a look at the !Macros file in those two locations? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 31 19:37:22 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GezOU-24n000-03-EY9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:37:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GezOU-24n000-03-EY9; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:35:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GezOU-24n000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:35:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GezOP-0006Wu-97 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:35:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D752F4892F4; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14989-02-7; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1239F489309; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:33:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BE59488C69 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14856-06 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A882847F251 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:33:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.215.37.17] (vpn-017.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.17]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9VJYP4s030466 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:34:34 GMT Message-ID: <4547A55D.3020704@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:34:53 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> <454640E3.1000203@ntlworld.com> <454704FE.6010900@ed.ac.uk> <4547475A.902@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 772 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <4547475A.902@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> In this case, the AutoRun file should have been that which came with >> 2.92. AFAIR the only extras I've added since installing OPW 2.92 are >> the RTF and PDF filters. > > A bit of a mystery I've just done an install of 2.92 and I got the > correct macro definitions. > > Have you had a look at the !Macros file in those two locations? Here are the relevant lines from the two Macro files. Clearly, they're different, but then I've done several "saves" of the macro definitions since installing v2.92. Does this tell you anything? C:\Program Files\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun defmacro2(4,"fileinfo","{openfileinfo()}","fileinfo","Document info.|MLeft click to display information about the current document."); defmacro2(4,"saveas","{openfilesaveas()}","saveas","Save as.|MLeft click to save the current document using the Save As dialogue box."); defmacro2(0,"save","{savedocument(\"\")}","save","Save.|MLeft click to save the current document without opening the save dialogue box."); C:\Documents and Settings\cbonsall\Application Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun defmacro2(4,"fileinfo","{openfileinfo()}","fileinfo","File info.|MClick SELECT to display information about the current document."); defmacro2(68,"saveas","{if((macenv & 0xFF00)==(4<<8)) savedocument(\"\"); else if((macenv & 0xFF00)==(1<<8)) openfilesaveas(); else if((macenv & 0xFF00)==(8<<8)) macv=\"saveas\";}","saveas","Save as.|MLeft click to save the current document using the Save As dialogue box."); defmacro2(0,"save","{savedocument(\"\")}","save","Save.|MClick SELECT to save the current document without opening the save dialogue box."); -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 31 19:37:22 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GezOq-2H0000-02-EXn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:37:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GezOq-2H0000-02-EXn; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:35:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GezOq-2H0000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:35:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GezOj-0007Ew-ED for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:35:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3269F489132; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15171-02; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B566048931E; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:35:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:34:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7F53489132 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:34:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14924-01 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:34:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 28740488341 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:34:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.215.37.17] (vpn-017.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.17]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9VJYvfc030469 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:34:57 GMT Message-ID: <4547A57D.2030408@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:35:25 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <453FD4B9.7030702@ed.ac.uk> <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> <454640E3.1000203@ntlworld.com> <454704FE.6010900@ed.ac.uk> <4547475A.902@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 773 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <4547475A.902@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> In this case, the AutoRun file should have been that which came with >> 2.92. AFAIR the only extras I've added since installing OPW 2.92 are >> the RTF and PDF filters. > > A bit of a mystery I've just done an install of 2.92 and I got the > correct macro definitions. > > Have you had a look at the !Macros file in those two locations? Here are the relevant lines from the two Macro files. Clearly, they're different, but then I've done several "saves" of the macro definitions since installing v2.92. Does this tell you anything? C:\Program Files\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun defmacro2(4,"fileinfo","{openfileinfo()}","fileinfo","Document info.|MLeft click to display information about the current document."); defmacro2(4,"saveas","{openfilesaveas()}","saveas","Save as.|MLeft click to save the current document using the Save As dialogue box."); defmacro2(0,"save","{savedocument(\"\")}","save","Save.|MLeft click to save the current document without opening the save dialogue box."); C:\Documents and Settings\cbonsall\Application Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun defmacro2(4,"fileinfo","{openfileinfo()}","fileinfo","File info.|MClick SELECT to display information about the current document."); defmacro2(68,"saveas","{if((macenv & 0xFF00)==(4<<8)) savedocument(\"\"); else if((macenv & 0xFF00)==(1<<8)) openfilesaveas(); else if((macenv & 0xFF00)==(8<<8)) macv=\"saveas\";}","saveas","Save as.|MLeft click to save the current document using the Save As dialogue box."); defmacro2(0,"save","{savedocument(\"\")}","save","Save.|MClick SELECT to save the current document without opening the save dialogue box."); -- Clive Bonsall Head of Archaeology School of Arts, Culture and Environment University of Edinburgh Old High School Infirmary Street Edinburgh, EH1 1LT Tel: +44-131-650 2375/666 0262 Fax: +44-131-650 2378 Archaeology Home Page: http://www.arcl.ed.ac.uk/ Personal Home Page: http://www.arcl.ed.ac.uk/arch/clivebonsall/ Masters programmes: http://www.arcl.ed.ac.uk/Archaeology_PG_MSc.html From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Oct 31 21:37:26 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gf1HK-0ydVbs-06-CfJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:37:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gf1HK-0ydVbs-06-CfJ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:36:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gf1HK-0ydVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:36:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gf1HJ-0005i2-PX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:36:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A47BC488F1A; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:35:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07030-02; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:35:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 490F3488F04; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:35:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:34:50 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E25B9488F1A for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06863-08 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEA43488EEB for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Gf1Gc-000ILR-Az for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:35:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:34:08 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> <454640E3.1000203@ntlworld.com> <454704FE.6010900@ed.ac.uk> <4547475A.902@ed.ac.uk> <4547A57D.2030408@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4547A57D.2030408@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 774 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4547A57D.2030408@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Here are the relevant lines from the two Macro files. Clearly, they're >different, but then I've done several "saves" of the macro definitions >since installing v2.92. Does this tell you anything? Both of them look to be correct. >C:\Program Files\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun This is the default as supplied - notice it uses openfilesaveas() i.e. the correct OP Windows function. >C:\Documents and Settings\cbonsall\Application >Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun This is correct after you have applied the change to allow saving with a right click. So with these two files in place do you still have a problem? If so the macros are being redefined somewhere else. If you still have a problem, what I'd do then is search for files containing the string savedocument_box They must have extension .csc and I'd set off looking in C:\Program Files\DavidPilling\OvationPro\ -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 1 11:17:30 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Gf1ww-4YG000-07-Bzh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:17:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Gf1ww-4YG000-07-Bzh; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:19:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Gf1ww-4YG000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:19:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Gf1wq-0007kM-SJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:19:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70FEB489581; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15230-02; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04727489578; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:17:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 812384894C7 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14835-07 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (backup6.arcl.ed.ac.uk [129.215.101.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98B394894FC for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.215.37.17] (vpn-017.vpn.net.ed.ac.uk [129.215.37.17]) by super5.arcl.ed.ac.uk (8.13.1/linuxconf) with ESMTP id k9VMHl6F031574 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:17:47 GMT Message-ID: <4547CBA0.3070304@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:18:08 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> <454640E3.1000203@ntlworld.com> <454704FE.6010900@ed.ac.uk> <4547475A.902@ed.ac.uk> <4547A57D.2030408@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 775 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <4547A57D.2030408@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Here are the relevant lines from the two Macro files. Clearly, they're >> different, but then I've done several "saves" of the macro definitions >> since installing v2.92. Does this tell you anything? > > Both of them look to be correct. > >> C:\Program Files\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun > > This is the default as supplied - notice it uses openfilesaveas() i.e. > the correct OP Windows function. > >> C:\Documents and Settings\cbonsall\Application >> Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro\AutoRun > > This is correct after you have applied the change to allow saving with a > right click. > > So with these two files in place do you still have a problem? If so the > macros are being redefined somewhere else. No ... the problem was solved when you provided the correct macro definitions for Windows. I was just curious to know how the RiscOS definitions had crept in there in the first place, since there should have been no legacy files on my hard drive from prevous installations of OPW (following the Windows reinstall, that is). Of course, I do have VirtualRPC on the C_drive which has OP (RiscOS version) installed ... and which would have been reinstalled before I reinstalled OPW. But, surely, that couldn't have been the source of the RiscOS definitions for Save As and FileInfo in the OPW macro file, could it? -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Nov 1 18:29:58 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GfEHz-3B0000-06-Ghg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:29:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GfEHz-3B0000-06-Ghg; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:29:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GfEHz-3B0000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:29:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GfEBy-0006yi-3u for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:23:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1EC5D47F8A8; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 06:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32437-05; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 06:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC9A94873A9; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 06:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 01 Nov 2006 06:22:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D3B447F8A8 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 06:22:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32361-10 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 06:22:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E185A487B5F for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2006 06:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GfEBC-000LwQ-MR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:22:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:21:17 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: "Save As" button in OPW 2.92 (17 August 06) References: <45421DB7.6040503@ed.ac.uk> <45425A6C.9060703@ed.ac.uk> <4542861C.1080604@ed.ac.uk> <45433DBA.2060105@ed.ac.uk> <45447D4F.5060307@ed.ac.uk> <4546012B.8050409@ed.ac.uk> <454640E3.1000203@ntlworld.com> <454704FE.6010900@ed.ac.uk> <4547475A.902@ed.ac.uk> <4547A57D.2030408@ed.ac.uk> <4547CBA0.3070304@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4547CBA0.3070304@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 776 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4547CBA0.3070304@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Of course, I do have VirtualRPC on the C_drive which has OP (RiscOS >version) installed ... and which would have been reinstalled before I >reinstalled OPW. But, surely, that couldn't have been the source of the >RiscOS definitions for Save As and FileInfo in the OPW macro file, >could it? Doubt it. Sometimes it would be interesting to have a way of playing back what happened. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941