From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 1 12:28:46 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G7sJx-2PXVbs-03-DEI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:28:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G7sJx-2PXVbs-03-DEI; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:21:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G7sJx-2PXVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:21:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G7sJx-0006RM-Ix for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:21:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 289B73B29C1; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08930-08; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9EBA3B27DA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:20:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 975443B29C1 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08722-10 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 616223B29B3 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dyn-62-56-114-83.dslaccess.co.uk ([62.56.114.83] helo=merlin.nom) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH joyces) (Exim 4.42) id 1G7sJD-0005CP-Fg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:21:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve Joyce To: David Pilling Software Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:21:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Printing Problem with OP 2.76 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4e4f8bc29bSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 532 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Steve@joyces.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have created an OP document where the printed version differs from the screen display on just one line. When printed, the offending line stops in the middle of a word and the remainder of that line is printed some distance (105mm) further down the page - the screen display appears normal. No other discrepancies are apparent between the display and printed versions. The problem did not appear in earlier, nut incomplete, versions of the document. Details are as follows: OP version 2.76 Printers 1.90b4, Epson Stylus Colour 740 RISC OS Adjust 4.39 RPC SA 96+2 Mb Document: 11 pages, 1 chapter, 2.67Mb - mostly graphics Master page is A5 DPS, printed sideways at 95% scale I cannot imagine what could be present in the file to cause this effect. Cheers, Steve Joyce From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 1 12:58:48 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G7srw-0JUGPo-04-CgJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:58:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G7srw-0JUGPo-04-CgJ; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:57:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G7srw-0JUGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:57:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G7srv-0006LT-Mf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:57:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44D3F3B2CA3; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15143-10; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 15AA53B2B42; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:56:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7235A3B2CA3 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14808-02 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A21B3B2C9F for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k71BuEAR025205 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:56:14 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Nested lists MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:56:44 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 533 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I'm not sure if this is a bug or a feature, but what I am trying to do is generate something that looks a bit like :- 1. First paragraph 2. Second paragraph a. first sub paragraph b. second sub paragraph 3. Third paragraph 4. Fourth paragraph I can apply an auto insert format to the 1st and 2nd paragraphs and the 3rd and 4th with a new starting number and that works, but as soon as I try and apply one to the sub paragraphs, things go wrong. The only way I can make it work is to put a blank after the 2nd paragraph and another after the 2nd sub paragraph and turn off the auto insert for those two lines. I can then make it look like the above by setting a negative space above on the blank lines, but it seems a bit of a kludge. There doesn't seem to be a way of "restarting" the auto numbering without having a line with auto numbering turned off. Any thoughts? Andy Ling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 1 12:58:48 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G7stR-0lGGPo-03-Ceo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:58:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G7stR-0lGGPo-03-Ceo; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:58:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G7stR-0lGGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:58:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G7stQ-0005mF-Rs for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:58:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 872B43B2BDA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15262-05; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 57DBA3B2CA3; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:57:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58A613B2BDA for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15168-07 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 24F263B2B7C for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 07:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1G7ssg-0003xd-Pv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:57:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: David Pilling Software Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:57:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing Problem with OP 2.76 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4e4f8f0aadchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4e4f8bc29bSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> References: <4e4f8bc29bSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 534 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4e4f8bc29bSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk>, Steve Joyce wrote: > I have created an OP document where the printed version differs > from the screen display on just one line. When printed, the > offending line stops in the middle of a word and the remainder of > that line is printed some distance (105mm) further down the page - > the screen display appears normal. No other discrepancies are > apparent between the display and printed versions. The problem did > not appear in earlier, nut incomplete, versions of the document. If you would like someone else to try it on a different system, and the contents are not too personal or confidential, feel free to e-mail me a copy of the document, and I will give it a try. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 1 13:28:49 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G7tDI-0hsGPo-06-CKx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:28:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G7tDI-0hsGPo-06-CKx; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:19:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G7tDI-0hsGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:19:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G7tDH-00041y-Ol for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:19:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A2283B2EAE; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19778-08; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C4073B2EDA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 01 Aug 2006 08:18:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 527583B2E6E for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19444-07 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F14A3B2DF4 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.217.201] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1G7tCO1XMw-0005vg; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:18:12 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing Problem with OP 2.76 for RISC OS To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:18:37 +0200 Message-ID: <5dff904f4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4e4f8bc29bSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e4f8bc29bSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 535 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e4f8bc29bSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> Steve Joyce wrote: > I have created an OP document where the printed version differs from the > screen display on just one line. When printed, the offending line stops > in the middle of a word and the remainder of that line is printed some > distance (105mm) further down the page - the screen display appears > normal. No other discrepancies are apparent between the display and > printed versions. The problem did not appear in earlier, nut incomplete, > versions of the document. > > Details are as follows: > OP version 2.76 > Printers 1.90b4, Epson Stylus Colour 740 > RISC OS Adjust 4.39 > RPC SA 96+2 Mb You can eliminate a lot of the uncertainty about where things have gone wrong by using David's SPrinter (sprite printer driver). Instead of sending the document to the printer, it creates a sprite that you can examine. You can download SPrinter from David's site. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 1 13:58:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G7tnm-1HZGPo-08-BkT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:58:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G7tnm-1HZGPo-08-BkT; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:56:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G7tnm-1HZGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:56:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G7tnm-0001rx-GF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:56:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11F5C3B2FEB; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26587-05; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4C5E3B2FCA; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 01 Aug 2006 08:55:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF79A3B3000 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26495-04 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AB0AB3B2FC0 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1G7tn3-0006Zc-Cx for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:56:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:55:02 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Nested lists References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 536 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >There doesn't seem to be a way of "restarting" the auto numbering >without having a line with auto numbering turned off. >Any thoughts? Arrgh. Or these auto numbering things are hard to grasp. Seriously, my thought is that the numbers at one level restart after a paragraph at a higher level. Presumably those at the highest level restart after a paragraph without numbering. What I'm saying is that you might be able to get the desired effect by using this fact. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 1 14:28:52 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G7uBJ-3yU000-03-BMw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:28:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G7uBJ-3yU000-03-BMw; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:21:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G7uBJ-3yU000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:21:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G7uBJ-0004VB-3v for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:21:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44CAF3B33F9; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32288-02-3; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B984C3B33FB; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:20:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3A4B3B33A2 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31814-08 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DBB33B339D for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k71DKEAA020705 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:20:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Nested lists MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:20:44 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 537 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >There doesn't seem to be a way of "restarting" the auto numbering > >without having a line with auto numbering turned off. > > >Any thoughts? > > Arrgh. > > Or these auto numbering things are hard to grasp. > Well, maybe. So try a simple test..... Open a new document and paste this text into it :- first paragraph second paragraph third paragraph first sub paragraph second sub paragraph third sub paragraph fourth paragraph fifth paragraph Now select the first three lines (up to the end of the third line not on to the next blank line) and add an auto number starting at 1 Next select the three sub paragraph lines and add an auto number starting at 1 style abc/n.n... Finally select the last three lines and add an auto number starting at 4. What I get is :- 1. first paragraph 2. second paragraph 3. third paragraph d. first sub paragraph e. second sub paragraph f. third sub paragraph 7. fourth paragraph 8. fifth paragraph This doesn't seem right. If I go back to the first blank line and turn on auto number then turn it off, things change. Still not quite right though. This is all with OPW in case that makes a difference. I haven't managed to get the n.n format to work, but I might still be doing something wrong. Andy Ling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 1 14:38:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G7uQV-05Yknw-04-B7k."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:38:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G7uQV-05Yknw-04-B7k; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:36:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G7uQV-05Yknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:36:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G7uQV-0007JA-Eg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:36:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E5A4F3B358B; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03435-05; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B32603B35C5; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:35:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9709D3B35AB for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03318-05 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 440ED3B35A2 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k71DZxBE026509 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:35:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Nested lists MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:36:30 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 538 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >There doesn't seem to be a way of "restarting" the auto numbering > >without having a line with auto numbering turned off. > > >Any thoughts? > > Arrgh. > > Or these auto numbering things are hard to grasp. > OK, I've had a bit more of a play after reading the manual :-) and discovered paragraph level numbering. This seems to help, but my simple example from before still seems wrong. Andy Ling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 1 14:48:53 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G7uX1-0tVknw-03-B1E."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:48:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G7uX1-0tVknw-03-B1E; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:43:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G7uX1-0tVknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:43:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G7uX0-0003i0-My for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:43:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 402B23B2D6C; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04938-07; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C1E43B2BF6; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:42:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8BBA3B2DB4 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04836-07 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 953C43B1FD4 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1G7uWE-00080a-A9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:42:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:41:16 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Nested lists References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 539 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) 1 first paragraph 2 second paragraph 3 third paragraph a first sub paragraph b second sub paragraph c third sub paragraph 4 fourth paragraph 5 fifth paragraph Is the above the desired result? If so, you get it by selecting all, and setting the para level to 1, with numbering (n) , then select the sub paras, and set level 2 with letters (abc). There's some special rule for level 0 which I think may be causing the problem with the blank lines. Although your original didn't have blanks and you didn't want them. Para level may be the key concept. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 1 14:48:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G7uaV-4C6000-06-Axk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:48:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G7uaV-4C6000-06-Axk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:47:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G7uaV-4C6000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:47:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G7uaV-000327-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:47:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 943273B3015; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05710-03; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 789863B2FD8; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:46:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31AC33B2F91 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05384-09 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw2.mh.bbc.co.uk (mailgw2.mh.bbc.co.uk [132.185.144.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CECF73B2DB0 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bbcxue207.national.core.bbc.co.uk ([10.124.8.60]) by mailgw2.mh.bbc.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k71Djqgi001691 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:45:52 +0100 (BST) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Nested lists Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:46:23 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [softwarelist] Re: Nested lists Thread-Index: Aca1b5ofS3Zj8N5BQ3CWtDQIHwY4KwAAD6kg From: "Michael Hunter" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 540 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Or these auto numbering things are hard to grasp. >=20 > >OK, I've had a bit more of a play after reading the manual :-) and discovered >paragraph level numbering. This seems to help, but my simple example from before >still seems wrong. Actually I think that is exactly what I would expect! The numbering is one of the 'advanced' features of OvationPro which I took some time to get used to but which I think works well! I use the facility regularly for producing minutes reports etc. (I'm not able to test this out where I am now so I may not quite describe it correctly.)=20= The key to making this facility work is to use the numbering level - the default is level zero (I think) for the advanced features you need to ignore level 0.=20 The top level should be para level 1 (first paragraph etc) would be numbered '1', '2',=20 The next level should be para level 2 (first sub paragraph etc) would be 'a', 'b'.=20 Then the fourth para should be para level 1 again and that should be '4' as expected. If you went back to another set of sub paragraphs they would once again start with 'a' =20 Michael Michael Hunter http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system.=20 Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received.=20 Further communication will signify your consent to this. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 1 14:58:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G7uj2-2lF000-08-ApD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:58:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G7uj2-2lF000-08-ApD; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:56:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G7uj2-2lF000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:56:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G7uj2-00075Q-0m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:56:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66AE83B3675; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07846-04-4; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EBF83B3695; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:55:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C44E3B3145 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07451-07 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1FEA03B3620 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k71Dt8el000516 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:55:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Nested lists MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:55:38 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 541 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > There's some special rule for level 0 which I think may be causing the > problem with the blank lines. Although your original didn't have blanks > and you didn't want them. Para level may be the key concept. > Yes, I think the paragraph level is the answer. You're right I didn't want the blank lines, but I thought my simple example showed (at least to me) unexpected behaviour with them. Using the paragraph level means you can do away with the blank lines. The manual suggest level 0 is for compatibility with earlier versions of OvPro. I wonder if it should default to 1 in later versions? Andy Ling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 1 15:28:55 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G7v9p-4Lhknw-03-AOQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:28:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G7v9p-4Lhknw-03-AOQ; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:23:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G7v9p-4Lhknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:23:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G7v9o-0001vE-Tv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:23:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7CEC63B33FD; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15389-01; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 463C63B330A; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:22:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69EE53B3317 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15268-09 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.altohiway.com (smtp01.altohiway.com [195.12.4.238]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 228833B32DE for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.6/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k71EMpL7024131 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:22:51 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Nested lists MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:23:21 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 542 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@quantel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >> Or these auto numbering things are hard to grasp. > > > > > >OK, I've had a bit more of a play after reading the manual :-) and > discovered > >paragraph level numbering. This seems to help, but my simple example > from before > >still seems wrong. > > Actually I think that is exactly what I would expect! > Fair enough, but would you expect switching auto number on then off on the blank line to change the result? I think there is still something a little dodgy in there, but I can now work around it. > The numbering is one of the 'advanced' features of OvationPro which I > took some time to get used to but which I think works well! Yes, you are right. It's ages since I've used it and I'd forgotten all the clever bits in there. > The key to making this facility work is to use the numbering level - the > default is level zero (I think) for the advanced features you need to > ignore level 0. > You've hit the nail on the head there ;-) > The top level should be para level 1 (first paragraph etc) would be > numbered '1', '2', > The next level should be para level 2 (first sub paragraph etc) would be > 'a', 'b'. > Then the fourth para should be para level 1 again and that should be '4' > as expected. Yes, that works a treat. I should have read a bit more of the manual before shouting. Thanks for your input. Andy Ling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 1 16:28:58 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G7w9J-0FrGPo-03-9Ow."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:28:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G7w9J-0FrGPo-03-9Ow; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:27:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G7w9J-0FrGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:27:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G7w9J-0003FY-4G for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:27:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99B9C3B3467; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31415-03-11; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 69CD03B347B; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:26:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C95AB3B3467 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31286-02 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 968273B347C for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1G7w8Y-0004L8-6N for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:26:26 +0100 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:25:12 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing Problem with OP 2.76 for RISC OS Message-ID: <7114a24f4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4e4f8bc29bSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> <5dff904f4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <5dff904f4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 543 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 1 Aug, Martin Wuerthner wrote: =20 > You can eliminate a lot of the uncertainty about where things have=20 > gone wrong by using David's SPrinter (sprite printer driver). Instead=20 > of sending the document to the printer, it creates a sprite that you=20 > can examine. You can download SPrinter from David's site. In the past I could not get SPrinter to work, but having had rather a difficult printing problem (solved by a round the houses use of GView) I thought I would give SPrinter another try, as so many have said just what Martin says. However the printing pauses after generating a 43 Mbyte output file from 1.5 Mbyte input Draw file of A2 size. The error message is: Can't open printer: I have completely restarted the Iyonix after installing Sprinter. I'm using !Printers 1.72. Normally I direct printer output to file with an address for the printer server via LPR. But for SPrinter I set it for parallel output. Any views about this error, anyone? --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 1 16:38:59 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G7wH1-0XPGPo-04-9HE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 16:38:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G7wH1-0XPGPo-04-9HE; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:35:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G7wH1-0XPGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:35:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G7wH1-0002cv-H6 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:35:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CE993B347B; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00484-05; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C55BC3B341E; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:34:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77FCF3B347B for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00326-06 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4483A3B3467 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 11:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1G7wG4-000DuM-6B for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:34:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:34:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing Problem with OP 2.76 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4e4fa2e689mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7114a24f4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4e4f8bc29bSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> <5dff904f4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <7114a24f4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 544 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <7114a24f4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > . . . Normally I direct printer output to file with an address for > the printer server via LPR. But for SPrinter I set it for parallel > output. To quote from the help file: > > Select printing to 'File' and enter a path of 'SPrinter:Printout'. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 1 17:09:02 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G7wjT-2ZGGPo-05-8om."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 17:09:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G7wjT-2ZGGPo-05-8om; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:04:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G7wjT-2ZGGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:04:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G7wjT-0007Bu-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:04:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CA213B399B; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07240-08; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 293613B3A42; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 01 Aug 2006 12:03:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 480B43B3A44 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07044-09 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C12A93B399B for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1G7wih-0005wG-8I for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:03:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:09:42 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing Problem with OP 2.76 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4e4fa6276echarles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7114a24f4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4e4f8bc29bSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> <5dff904f4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <7114a24f4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 545 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <7114a24f4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > I have completely restarted the Iyonix after installing Sprinter. I'm > using !Printers 1.72. Normally I direct printer output to file with an > address for the printer server via LPR. But for SPrinter I set it for > parallel output. > Any views about this error, anyone? SPrinter MUST be set to "print to file". That, after all is what it is supposed to do. -- >From KT24 - in drought-ridden Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 1 18:39:05 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G7y62-272000-08-Fyj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:39:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G7y62-272000-08-Fyj; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:31:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G7y62-272000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:31:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G7y61-0003LD-SZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:31:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FDFE3B3619; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26914-04; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C96C3B3905; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:31:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F1763B3619 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26618-07 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8FE483B371D for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 13:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dyn-62-56-114-83.dslaccess.co.uk ([62.56.114.83] helo=merlin.nom) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH joyces) (Exim 4.42) id 1G7y5H-000FVf-B5 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:31:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve Joyce To: David Pilling Software Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:31:30 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing Problem with OP 2.76 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4e4fada49eSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e4f8f0aadchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <4e4f8bc29bSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> <4e4f8f0aadchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 546 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Steve@joyces.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4e4f8f0aadchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <4e4f8bc29bSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk>, > Steve Joyce wrote: > > I have created an OP document where the printed version differs > > from the screen display on just one line. When printed, the > > offending line stops in the middle of a word and the remainder of > > that line is printed some distance (105mm) further down the page - > > the screen display appears normal. No other discrepancies are > > apparent between the display and printed versions. The problem did > > not appear in earlier, nut incomplete, versions of the document. > If you would like someone else to try it on a different system, and > the contents are not too personal or confidential, feel free to > e-mail me a copy of the document, and I will give it a try. > Chris... Having taken up this offer and sent the File to Chris, it stirred up sufficient grey cells to do a check print to my laserjet - something I should have done much earlier. And yes, it prints perfectly, indicating the problem lies with with the print manager or the PDF I've used to make the Epson Stylus work. Apologies for not doing the obvious earlier, Steve From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 1 19:09:06 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G7yc1-0n9000-07-FSk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:09:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G7yc1-0n9000-07-FSk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:05:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G7yc1-0n9000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:05:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G7yc1-0005RN-JQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 18:05:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0D2263B370C; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02843-10; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFBC53B3705; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:04:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE8A43B3623 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02541-06 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 580A03B34DC for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1G7ybE-0003xc-MY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:04:12 +0100 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:02:35 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing Problem with OP 2.76 for RISC OS Message-ID: <607db04f4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4e4f8bc29bSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> <5dff904f4e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <7114a24f4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e4fa2e689mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e4fa2e689mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 547 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 1 Aug, Peter Newble wro= te: > In article <7114a24f4e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe > wrote: > > . . . Normally I direct printer output to file with an address for > > the printer server via LPR. But for SPrinter I set it for parallel > > output. >=20 > To quote from the help file: >=20 > > > Select printing to 'File' and enter a path of 'SPrinter:Printout'. Oooops - I'm sure that bit of the help text was not there a couple of hours back! But it is now and all is now well, thanks. And this clearly reveals a problem with !PDF and printing some files: bits get left out, whereas GView does not leave them out. Hence the value of Sprinter. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 6 17:19:58 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G9U04-1wUVbs-07-FqN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:19:58 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G9U04-1wUVbs-07-FqN; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 21:48:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G9U04-1wUVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 21:48:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G9Tzq-0006du-Ce for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 21:48:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50D183B9615; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 16:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18944-10; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 16:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20FFD3B97C7; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 16:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 05 Aug 2006 16:21:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A7ADA3B9615 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 16:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18871-08 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 16:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.freeserve.com (smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.156]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E54183B97A4 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 16:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3213.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 59DC4B000088 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 22:21:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rpc (user-514d885b.l3.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.77.136.91]) by mwinf3213.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 258CEB000087 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 22:21:26 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060805202126154.258CEB000087@mwinf3213.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: missing info palette bug To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 21:20:58 +0100 Message-ID: <9480cc514e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 548 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Someone posted a message (actually to the old mail list address so it > never appeared hear) which described how to provoke the bug where the > info palette appears to go missing. > > I pointed out it was to the wrong list address and they said "never mind > you've got the information now". > > Alas with the recent XP episode I've lost that email - I lost all email > back to the start of June. > > Given how many years the info pal. thing has been a problem I'm keen to > get a copy of the email. > > So, if you're reading this, please can you let me have another copy? > > It is triggered when OPro is unable to display a picture, either by "File not found" or "Incomplete or corrupt JPEG data". For example, put a sprite or jpeg file in the RAM disc, drop it from there into a frame, and save. Delete the file from RAM. Open the document. You now need to goto View (on the tiny visible portion of the document) -> Pictures, and turn off picture viewing. The file will now display, but the toolbar on the left hand side has gone missing. I haven't found a way to get it back, exccept by fixing the error, then restarting OPro. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 6 19:59:59 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G9nps-07bGPo-02-D3b."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:59:59 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G9nps-07bGPo-02-D3b; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:58:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G9nps-07bGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:58:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G9npp-0005tO-3Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 18:58:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 117C23BC71B; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31994-03; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8AF3A3B7CE0; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Aug 2006 14:56:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70D553BBDD4 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31829-04 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BED783BBE8B for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060806185559.LVRW15018.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:55:59 +0100 Received: from OFFICE ([86.5.110.19]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060806185559.JCLQ23938.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@OFFICE> for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:55:59 +0100 From: "jeff wallis" To: "'List PillingSoftware'" Subject: [softwarelist] Tables in OPW Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:55:53 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c6b989$f270e1a0$6401a8c0@OFFICE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C6B992.543549A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Aca5ifEZnTsR9n4ETC2onZJtvBNRvA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 549 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jeff.wallis@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C6B992.543549A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is the best way to construct a table in OPW? Or does anyone know of any software for creating tables that can be imported. Jeff Wallis ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C6B992.543549A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What is the best way to construct a table in = OPW?

 

Or does anyone know of any software for creating = tables that can be imported.

 

Jeff Wallis

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C6B992.543549A0-- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 6 20:30:01 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G9oJF-4G1Vbs-01-CaE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:30:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G9oJF-4G1Vbs-01-CaE; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:29:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G9oJF-4G1Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:29:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G9oJB-0005K2-2o for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:29:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C96B63BC6A5; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04807-08; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91DD43BC812; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:27:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CAA73BC6A5 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04758-03 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 198233BC697 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riscpc.orpheusnet.co.uk (dsl89-213-10-41.as15444.net [89.213.10.41]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k76JRK4e030528 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:27:21 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Draw conversion bug? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Adrian Crafer X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:27:13 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.05, required 5, autolearn=disabled, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 550 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: acrafer@argonet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I received an email containing a jpeg scan/phot image of an engineering drawing. Since I need the information as a CAD file (the originator could not manage save as DXF - too technical) I loaded it into !DPlngScan, which reported the image 24.17M the original email reported as 1129K. I saved out as a draw file after converting to black and white and reducing the colour depth to 1bpp. If loaded into !draw it all looks fine but if resaved over itself, as though you were editing, !draw errors with this file already open. If the draw file is loaded into Procad+ you get the error message Font(s) not found, including 0. On clicking on continue you get a complete freeze up which requires Alt Break to get out of. Loading the draw file into !RiscDRAW produces a !RiscCAD file which when loaded into !RiscCAD produces a very small image bottom left which bears no relation to the original draw. It looks as though the problem is the !draw file produced by !DPlingScan, any ideas. Adrian Crafer -- acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 6 20:40:02 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G9oNw-3AJ000-03-CVX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:40:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G9oNw-3AJ000-03-CVX; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:34:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G9oNw-3AJ000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:34:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G9oNw-0001gS-8W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:34:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75F2D3B870B; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05880-04; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 413613B917E; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Aug 2006 15:33:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DE933B870B for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05686-09 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sgrsil47.onetel.net.uk (oasis-out-a.onetel.net.uk [212.67.121.102]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 565FA3B8425 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:33:03 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve Yandell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:33:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Draw conversion bug? Message-ID: <4e524bf800steyan@onetel.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by Onetel AntiVirus X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 551 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steyan@onetel.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 06 Aug, Adrian Crafer wrote: > I received an email containing a jpeg scan/phot image of an > engineering drawing. Since I need the information as a CAD file (the > originator could not manage save as DXF - too technical) I loaded it > into !DPlngScan, which reported the image 24.17M the original email > reported as 1129K. I saved out as a draw file after converting to > black and white and reducing the colour depth to 1bpp. > If loaded into !draw it all looks fine but if resaved over itself, as > though you were editing, !draw errors with this file already open. > If the draw file is loaded into Procad+ you get the error message > Font(s) not found, including 0. On clicking on continue you get a > complete freeze up which requires Alt Break to get out of. > Loading the draw file into !RiscDRAW produces a !RiscCAD file which > when loaded into !RiscCAD produces a very small image bottom left > which bears no relation to the original draw. > It looks as though the problem is the !draw file produced by > !DPlingScan, any ideas. > Adrian Crafer Have you thought about trying !Trace to convert from a sprite to a draw file? Steve Yandell -- steyan@onetel.com From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 6 21:40:04 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G9pIl-0Cwknw-04-Bai."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 21:40:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G9pIl-0Cwknw-04-Bai; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:32:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G9pIl-0Cwknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:32:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G9pIk-000758-QG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:32:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F0C43B8DA9; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15828-06-5; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEED83BB84E; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Aug 2006 16:31:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 750E93BB268 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15722-03 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17C643BAC0F for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 88-105-186-164.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.186.164]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 06 Aug 2006 21:31:59 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KADbt1USBUYkN Received: from 88-105-186-164.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.186.164]:10792 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1G9pHS-000561-FG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:31:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: "'List PillingSoftware'" Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:32:02 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW Message-ID: <4e52515a10dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <000301c6b989$f270e1a0$6401a8c0@OFFICE> References: <000301c6b989$f270e1a0$6401a8c0@OFFICE> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 552 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <000301c6b989$f270e1a0$6401a8c0@OFFICE>, jeff wallis wrote: > What is the best way to construct a table in OPW? > > Or does anyone know of any software for creating tables that can be > imported. > Jeff Wallis While there is a RO application that does draw tables (TableMate), my preferred method is using the spreadsheet Eureka. Create the table and contents in Eureka, then use the Save As (bottom entry) Impression OLE, load this into an OVPro document. If you ever need to update the table you can CTRL-Double Click inside the table and it will be OLEd back into Eureka for updating. Then F3 for putting back into OvPro. Cheers Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 6 22:20:06 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G9pvQ-0Vyknw-06-Ay3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 22:20:06 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G9pvQ-0Vyknw-06-Ay3; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:12:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G9pvQ-0Vyknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:12:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G9pvQ-0002D5-4n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:12:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34B5F3B8198; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22526-08; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01A753B840B; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:11:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E6B5C3B8198 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22428-03 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D9DB3B8168 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 88-105-186-164.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.186.164]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 06 Aug 2006 22:11:56 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KAJf21USBUYkN Received: from 88-105-186-164.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.186.164]:11477 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1G9pu8-000DZe-OR for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 22:11:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: "'List PillingSoftware'" Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 22:09:16 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW Message-ID: <4e5254c2b1dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e52515a10dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <000301c6b989$f270e1a0$6401a8c0@OFFICE> <4e52515a10dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 553 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4e52515a10dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <000301c6b989$f270e1a0$6401a8c0@OFFICE>, > jeff wallis wrote: > > What is the best way to construct a table in OPW? > > > > Or does anyone know of any software for creating tables that can be > > imported. > > Jeff Wallis > While there is a RO application that does draw tables (TableMate), my > preferred method is using the spreadsheet Eureka. > Create the table and contents in Eureka, then use the Save As (bottom > entry) Impression OLE, load this into an OVPro document. > If you ever need to update the table you can CTRL-Double Click inside the > table and it will be OLEd back into Eureka for updating. > Then F3 for putting back into OvPro. > Cheers > Dave S I've just re-read... and have realised you might be mentioning OvPro for Windows, in which case... I'm a grumpy, but silly billy. Forget what I wrote. Dave S -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 7 11:30:00 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1G9rft-0TQknw-02-9Da."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:30:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1G9rft-0TQknw-02-9Da; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 23:04:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1G9rft-0TQknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 23:04:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1G9rfm-0001VN-8X for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 23:04:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E01B33B8DA2; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07931-07; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9CB943B69C0; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:03:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B1FE3B8DA2 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07705-06 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C90FD3B8CD8 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dyn-62-56-113-223.dslaccess.co.uk ([62.56.113.223] helo=iyo.schild) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH schild) (Exim 4.42) id 1G9red-0003gi-5c for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 23:03:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Schild To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 00:07:25 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Draw conversion bug? Message-ID: <4e525f93bbjohn@schild.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e524bf800steyan@onetel.com> References: <4e524bf800steyan@onetel.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 554 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@schild.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4e524bf800steyan@onetel.com>, Steve Yandell wrote: > On 06 Aug, Adrian Crafer wrote: > > I received an email containing a jpeg scan/phot image of an > > engineering drawing. Since I need the information as a CAD file > > (the originator could not manage save as DXF - too technical) I > > loaded it into !DPlngScan, which reported the image 24.17M the > > original email reported as 1129K. I saved out as a draw file after > > converting to black and white and reducing the colour depth to > > 1bpp. > > If loaded into !draw it all looks fine but if resaved over itself, > > as though you were editing, !draw errors with this file already > > open. > > If the draw file is loaded into Procad+ you get the error message > > Font(s) not found, including 0. On clicking on continue you get a > > complete freeze up which requires Alt Break to get out of. > > Loading the draw file into !RiscDRAW produces a !RiscCAD file which > > when loaded into !RiscCAD produces a very small image bottom left > > which bears no relation to the original draw. > > It looks as though the problem is the !draw file produced by > > !DPlingScan, any ideas. > > Adrian Crafer > Have you thought about trying !Trace to convert from a sprite to a draw > file? > Steve Yandell I'm sure others will respond more adequately, but here's a start: the reason for Steve's suggestion that you use David Pilling's !Trace is that DPlngscan does not actually output a vectored image, but a bitmapped image in a !Draw envelope. If you have !photodesk and pop the "draw" file into it, you will discover that you can do the whole range of sprite (or jpeg) manipulations to it. Not the case if it were a genuine vectored image. !Trace finds the strong lines in a bitmapped image (eg your engineering drawing JPEG), traces them, and outputs the best vectored image it can find. Your comment: > I saved out as a draw file after converting to black and white and > reducing the colour depth to 1bpp. might still be helpful. If it has extra or irrelevant frames these can always be individually erased. I use it frequently, and although it occasionally fails, I can usually edit something workable out of it. Have fun! In case you aren't familiar with it !trace is modestly chargeable and can be found at: http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/trace.html Hope this is just a bit helpful. -- John Schild, Trenarren, St. Cleer, Liskeard, PL14 5DN Phone 01579 347047 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 7 11:30:11 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GA04b-3Xtknw-05-9LO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:30:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GA04b-3Xtknw-05-9LO; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:02:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GA04b-3Xtknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:02:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GA04b-0003aY-CD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:02:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 489553BC6C7; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 04:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29083-08; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 04:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B6CA3BC7CB; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 04:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 07 Aug 2006 04:01:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 010713BC6C7 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 04:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29008-02 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 04:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 980983BC6B4 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 04:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from riscpc.orpheusnet.co.uk (dsl89-213-10-41.as15444.net [89.213.10.41]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7781vwG019725 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:01:58 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Draw conversion bug? To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Adrian Crafer X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:01:41 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4e524bf800steyan@onetel.com> <4e525f93bbjohn@schild.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e525f93bbjohn@schild.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.05, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL -0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 555 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: acrafer@argonet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e525f93bbjohn@schild.demon.co.uk> John Schild wrote: > In article <4e524bf800steyan@onetel.com>, > Steve Yandell wrote: >> On 06 Aug, Adrian Crafer wrote: >> > I received an email containing a jpeg scan/phot image of an >> > engineering drawing. Since I need the information as a CAD file >> > (the originator could not manage save as DXF - too technical) I >> > loaded it into !DPlngScan, which reported the image 24.17M the >> > original email reported as 1129K. I saved out as a draw file after >> > converting to black and white and reducing the colour depth to >> > 1bpp. > > >> > If loaded into !draw it all looks fine but if resaved over itself, >> > as though you were editing, !draw errors with this file already >> > open. > >> > If the draw file is loaded into Procad+ you get the error message >> > Font(s) not found, including 0. On clicking on continue you get a >> > complete freeze up which requires Alt Break to get out of. > >> > Loading the draw file into !RiscDRAW produces a !RiscCAD file which >> > when loaded into !RiscCAD produces a very small image bottom left >> > which bears no relation to the original draw. > >> > It looks as though the problem is the !draw file produced by >> > !DPlingScan, any ideas. > > > >> > Adrian Crafer > >> Have you thought about trying !Trace to convert from a sprite to a draw >> file? > >> Steve Yandell > > > > I'm sure others will respond more adequately, but here's a start: the > reason for Steve's suggestion that you use David Pilling's !Trace is > that DPlngscan does not actually output a vectored image, but a > bitmapped image in a !Draw envelope. If you have !photodesk and pop the > "draw" file into it, you will discover that you can do the whole range > of sprite (or jpeg) manipulations to it. Not the case if it were a > genuine vectored image. > > !Trace finds the strong lines in a bitmapped image (eg your engineering > drawing JPEG), traces them, and outputs the best vectored image it can > find. > > Your comment: >> I saved out as a draw file after converting to black and white and >> reducing the colour depth to 1bpp. > might still be helpful. > > If it has extra or irrelevant frames these can always be individually > erased. I use it frequently, and although it occasionally fails, I can > usually edit something workable out of it. Have fun! > > In case you aren't familiar with it !trace is modestly chargeable and > can be found at: > http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/trace.html > > Hope this is just a bit helpful. > Thanks for that, I had probably new all that and had just forgotten as I have both !Trace, and !ImageOutliner, for vector conversion. I need the drawing in a hurry, and obviously did not think. As the original was essentially a lot of interlinked rectangles, I over drew the original in draw, deleted the original and loaded the new version into !ProCAD+ and edited quite quickly there, allowing me to get back to a DXF file for onward transmission. Thanks again for the advice. Adrian Crafer -- acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 7 11:39:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GA2SB-3ktVbs-07-FUK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:39:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GA2SB-3ktVbs-07-FUK; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:35:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GA2SB-3ktVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:35:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GA2SB-0006vB-8k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:35:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20D023BC84D; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16631-03; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CF873BC7FA; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 07 Aug 2006 06:34:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2526B3BC078 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16394-04 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E35A53BBF86 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GA2RQ-000NNn-70 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:34:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:33:07 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW References: <000301c6b989$f270e1a0$6401a8c0@OFFICE> In-Reply-To: <000301c6b989$f270e1a0$6401a8c0@OFFICE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 556 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >What is the best way to construct a table in OPW? >Or does anyone know of any software for creating tables that can be imported. Somebody on here once made a very good point. If you select some cells in Excel, copy to the clipboard, and then paste into an empty or picture frame in OPW, you end up with a Windows Meta file table. Many Windows programs will transparently save things as meta files to the clipboard. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 7 11:49:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GA2Yg-3Sj000-03-FNp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:49:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GA2Yg-3Sj000-03-FNp; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:42:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GA2Yg-3Sj000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:42:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GA2Yg-0005SM-BP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:42:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 401353BC808; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17144-10; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DE6A3BC7B3; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 07 Aug 2006 06:41:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 913843BC808 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16931-07 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5ABF83BC337 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GA2Xx-000PN0-6y for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:41:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:40:18 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Draw conversion bug? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 557 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I received an email containing a jpeg scan/phot image of an >into !DPlngScan, which reported the image 24.17M the original email >reported as 1129K. Because DPScan will load the (JPEG) compressed image and expand to its full size in memory. >If loaded into !draw it all looks fine but if resaved over itself, as >though you were editing, !draw errors with this file already open. Interesting. I wonder what left the file open - DPScan? There are a number of utilities, Epilogue is one, which show you open files. Put it another way, after a machine reset does this event still happen. >If the draw file is loaded into Procad+ you get the error message >Font(s) not found, including 0. On clicking on continue you get a >complete freeze up which requires Alt Break to get out of. DPScan will produce a Draw file that contains just a sprite. No font table in other words. I may be wrong but I don't think Draw files have to contain a font table. >Loading the draw file into !RiscDRAW produces a !RiscCAD file which >when loaded into !RiscCAD produces a very small image bottom left >which bears no relation to the original draw. Some sort of scaling problem. I'd guess your image is quite large - scope then to test the limits of memory or space resolution. >It looks as though the problem is the !draw file produced by >!DPlingScan, any ideas. Save as a sprite and see if you have any better luck. Or of course, many apps (e.g. Draw) will handle JPEG images direct - much smaller file. Another method woud be: DPScan - JPEG in, Sprite out Draw - Sprite in, Draw file out -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 7 11:49:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GA2a1-1ZHGPo-02-FMU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:49:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GA2a1-1ZHGPo-02-FMU; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:43:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GA2a1-1ZHGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:43:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GA2a0-0003IJ-Nb for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:43:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 909673BC854; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17507-03; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B3693BC808; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 07 Aug 2006 06:42:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 125513BC8DB for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17301-01 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF3FC3BC84D for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GA2ZG-000Pkv-7D for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:42:42 +0000 Message-ID: <8WzX3GBFjx1EFw1s@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:41:09 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: missing info palette bug References: <9480cc514e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9480cc514e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 558 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Someone posted a message (actually to the old mail list address so it >> never appeared hear) which described how to provoke the bug where the >> info palette appears to go missing. >It is triggered when OPro is unable to display a picture, either by >"File not found" or "Incomplete or corrupt JPEG data". Just to put my mind at rest, was it you who sent me the original message back in June? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 7 12:09:57 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GA2xM-2XKGPo-01-Ez9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:09:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GA2xM-2XKGPo-01-Ez9; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:07:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GA2xM-2XKGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:07:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GA2xL-0002DN-Gs for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:07:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 980293BCA7F; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21484-08; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 654583BCAC9; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:06:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8C37D3BCA7F for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21276-02 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71FDB3BCA58 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060807110621.LRIO1865.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:06:21 +0100 Received: from risco.home ([81.111.60.91]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20060807110621.SJLG23938.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:06:21 +0100 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:51:08 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW To: 'List PillingSoftware' In-Reply-To: <4e5254c2b1dfs@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 559 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Sun 06 Aug, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4e52515a10dfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > In article <000301c6b989$f270e1a0$6401a8c0@OFFICE>, > > jeff wallis wrote: > > > What is the best way to construct a table in OPW? > > > > > > > > Or does anyone know of any software for creating tables that can be > > > imported. > > > > Jeff Wallis > > > While there is a RO application that does draw tables (TableMate), my > > preferred method is using the spreadsheet Eureka. > > > Create the table and contents in Eureka, then use the Save As (bottom > > entry) Impression OLE, load this into an OVPro document. > > > If you ever need to update the table you can CTRL-Double Click inside the > > table and it will be OLEd back into Eureka for updating. > > Then F3 for putting back into OvPro. > > > Cheers > > Dave S > > I've just re-read... and have realised you might be mentioning OvPro for > Windows, in which case... I'm a grumpy, but silly billy. But your suggestion - to use a spreadsheet - could well be the best option on Windows as well. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 7 14:00:00 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GA4af-2rPVbs-05-DLq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:00:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GA4af-2rPVbs-05-DLq; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:52:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GA4af-2rPVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:52:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GA4ab-0006bI-5A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:52:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75FAB3BB6C8; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06607-02; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 368503BCA77; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:51:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D6343BB6C8 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06475-08 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA4263B8D44 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060807125109.IPZB27023.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:51:09 +0100 Received: from OFFICE ([86.5.110.19]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060807125109.YUXX644.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@OFFICE> for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:51:09 +0100 From: "jeff wallis" To: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:50:59 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c6ba20$25313720$6401a8c0@OFFICE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Aca6DSCLPJjXsdQXSzugJiYf0VNAoAAEU/sg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 560 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jeff.wallis@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of David Pilling Sent: 07 August 2006 11:33 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW >>What is the best way to construct a table in OPW? >>Or does anyone know of any software for creating tables that can be imported. >Somebody on here once made a very good point. If you select some cells >in Excel, copy to the clipboard, and then paste into an empty or picture >frame in OPW, you end up with a Windows Meta file table. >Many Windows programs will transparently save things as meta files to >the clipboard. I think that was my post - I was responding to someone who wanted to include charts, i.e.histograms, pie charts etc in OPW. Whilst the Excel/Clipboard/WMF works for charts it doesn't work for text and figures, it just transfers everything at text without any formatting other than tabs for columns. My workround is to construct the table in RiscOS using Eureka and then export it as a draw file. I seem to remember there was a program in RiscOS called Tablemate, I just wondered if anyone knew of an equivalent in Windows. Jeff Wallis From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 7 16:10:07 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GA6ij-10Tknw-03-BDm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:10:07 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GA6ij-10Tknw-03-BDm; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:08:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GA6ij-10Tknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:08:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GA6ij-00050S-7l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:08:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11F083BCABB; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00477-07; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C3B23BCAFD; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:07:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 344D83BCB49 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32722-02 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE21D3BCB3C for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GA6hy-0009Jd-40 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:07:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:06:43 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW References: <000301c6ba20$25313720$6401a8c0@OFFICE> In-Reply-To: <000301c6ba20$25313720$6401a8c0@OFFICE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 561 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Whilst the Excel/Clipboard/WMF works for charts it doesn't work for text and >figures, it just transfers everything at text without any formatting other >than tabs for columns. Um. Select an area of a spread sheet in Excel, copy to the clipboard. Then: Paste into an empty frame - result text Paste into a frame which contains a picture - result a graphic The thing is that when information is saved to the Win clipboard it is saved in a number of formats. The application doing the pasting has to decide what it wants. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 7 19:50:18 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GAA5N-0TzGPo-08-GNe."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:50:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GAA5N-0TzGPo-08-GNe; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:44:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GAA5N-0TzGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:44:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GAA5M-0001C0-U4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:44:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F73D3BD3AD; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14404-08; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DAC6D3BD3A9; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:43:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18F273BD3A4 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14251-02 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 828B13BD354 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060807184332.CCHY15018.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:43:32 +0100 Received: from OFFICE ([86.5.110.19]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060807184332.DNI23938.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@OFFICE> for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:43:32 +0100 From: "jeff wallis" To: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:43:25 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c6ba51$5f21dd50$6401a8c0@OFFICE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Aca6M1F+PE+x1HioQ/24CORuwTU7PgAHdikg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 562 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jeff.wallis@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >-----Original Message----- >From:[mailto:davidpilling- >bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of David Pilling >Sent: 07 August 2006 16:07 >To: davidpilling@freelists.org >Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW > >>Whilst the Excel/Clipboard/WMF works for charts it doesn't work for text >and >>figures, it just transfers everything at text without any formatting other >>than tabs for columns. > >Um. > >Select an area of a spread sheet in Excel, copy to the clipboard. Then: > >Paste into an empty frame - result text > >Paste into a frame which contains a picture - result a graphic > >The thing is that when information is saved to the Win clipboard it is >saved in a number of formats. The application doing the pasting has to >decide what it wants. > Thanks very much for this - Who would have guessed that. Jeff Wallis From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 7 20:20:20 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GAAZn-3ZVVbs-07-FtE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:20:20 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GAAZn-3ZVVbs-07-FtE; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:15:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GAAZn-3ZVVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:15:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GAAZn-0004QD-3O for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:15:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAD2C3BD40C; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20036-03-6; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 288143BD14F; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:14:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C0AB3BCF7B for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19870-09 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13B983BD0A9 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ludo.freeuk.net ([212.126.144.9]) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GAAYq-0001Wx-7p for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:14:48 +0100 Received: from ludo.freeuk.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ludo.freeuk.net (8.13.3/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k77JEmbS015931 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:14:48 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from bonytaker@freeuk.com) Received: (from claranet@localhost) by ludo.freeuk.net (8.13.3/8.12.11/Submit) id k77JElG6015929; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:14:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from bonytaker@freeuk.com) Message-Id: <200608071914.k77JElG6015929@ludo.freeuk.net> X-Authentication-Warning: ludo.freeuk.net: claranet set sender to bonytaker@freeuk.com using -f References: <000301c6b989$f270e1a0$6401a8c0@OFFICE> In-Reply-To: <000301c6b989$f270e1a0$6401a8c0@OFFICE> From: "Anthony Baker" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:14:47 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Remote_Addr: 80.5.160.5 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 563 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bonytaker@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, X_AUTH_WARNING autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, The best program that I know of is 'Tablemate Designer' from G R Buchanan. In 1996 this was available from 'Dalriada Data Technology. However I think that you may have trouble getting hold of a copy today. Best of luck Tony Baker bonytaker@freeuk.com jeff wallis writes: > What is the best way to construct a table in OPW? > > > > Or does anyone know of any software for creating tables that can be > imported. > > > > Jeff Wallis > Tony Baker From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 7 20:50:22 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GAAzF-2rDGPo-08-FTm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:50:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GAAzF-2rDGPo-08-FTm; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:42:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GAAzF-2rDGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:42:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GAAzE-0002d1-Rf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:42:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B13543BD208; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25130-03; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6E6373BD202; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:41:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 951123BD208 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24890-08 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64B193BD1FE for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GAAyT-0005SQ-Qp for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:41:18 +0100 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:39:53 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW Message-ID: References: <000301c6b989$f270e1a0$6401a8c0@OFFICE> <200608071914.k77JElG6015929@ludo.freeuk.net> In-Reply-To: <200608071914.k77JElG6015929@ludo.freeuk.net> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 564 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 7 Aug, "Anthony Baker" wrote: > The best program that I know of is 'Tablemate Designer' from G R > Buchanan. In 1996 this was available from 'Dalriada Data Technology. > However I think that you may have trouble getting hold of a copy > today. Remarkably the site is still there, so someone is still paying Demon to provide it: http://www.dalriad.demon.co.uk/ --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Aug 7 22:10:25 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GACKm-1t4knw-03-E8F."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 22:10:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GACKm-1t4knw-03-E8F; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:08:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GACKm-1t4knw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:08:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GACKm-0004tL-3p for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:08:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1E283BD2D8; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09560-07; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A642A3BD275; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:07:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1BCE3BD256 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09346-06 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.freeserve.com (smtp2.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.157]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C9423BD23E for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3113.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B5E4C5C00092 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:07:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rpc (user-5441b098.lns2-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.65.176.152]) by mwinf3113.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 7DD985C00091 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:07:34 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060807210734515.7DD985C00091@mwinf3113.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: missing info palette bug To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:07:32 +0100 Message-ID: References: <9480cc514e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <8WzX3GBFjx1EFw1s@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8WzX3GBFjx1EFw1s@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 565 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <8WzX3GBFjx1EFw1s@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: >>> Someone posted a message (actually to the old mail list address so it >>> never appeared hear) which described how to provoke the bug where the >>> info palette appears to go missing. >>It is triggered when OPro is unable to display a picture, either by >>"File not found" or "Incomplete or corrupt JPEG data". > > > Just to put my mind at rest, was it you who sent me the original message > back in June? Yes, it was. I have since lost the original, so you got a new message. Alan -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 8 11:35:56 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GAOua-27pVbs-01-A4x."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:35:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GAOua-27pVbs-01-A4x; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:34:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GAOua-27pVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:34:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GAOuZ-00002y-Na for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:34:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FF0A3BD0E8; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19910-10; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E9CD93BD1E0; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 08 Aug 2006 06:33:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 733613BD0E8 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19866-03 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E4373BCDC4 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GAOtk-000IZ6-Im for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:33:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:32:20 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW References: <000301c6b989$f270e1a0$6401a8c0@OFFICE> <200608071914.k77JElG6015929@ludo.freeuk.net> In-Reply-To: <200608071914.k77JElG6015929@ludo.freeuk.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 566 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <200608071914.k77JElG6015929@ludo.freeuk.net>, Anthony Baker writes >Hi, >The best program that I know of is 'Tablemate Designer' from G R Buchanan. >In 1996 this was available from 'Dalriada Data Technology. However I >think That is for RISC OS though not OP Windows? There have been huge speculative discussions on comp.sys.acorn (see Google groups) about the status of Tablemate and its author. I guess I'm saying there's no need to go through it all again. Unless someone knows something definite. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 8 11:45:56 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GAOyQ-23wVbs-07-A17."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:45:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GAOyQ-23wVbs-07-A17; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:38:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GAOyQ-23wVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:38:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GAOyQ-0002b8-9X for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:38:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 00C053BD1E5; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20614-10; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE4203BD1F1; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 08 Aug 2006 06:37:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C6C9A3BD1E5 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20153-10 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BA243BD154 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GAOxg-00068t-DJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:37:24 +0000 Message-ID: <$hEnKXBVkG2EFw$+@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:36:05 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW References: <000001c6ba51$5f21dd50$6401a8c0@OFFICE> In-Reply-To: <000001c6ba51$5f21dd50$6401a8c0@OFFICE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 567 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>Paste into an empty frame - result text >>Paste into a frame which contains a picture - result a graphic >Thanks very much for this - Who would have guessed that. I suspect I am a sinner. Anyone got an idea how it should work? Perhaps yet another paste option "Paste as graphic" (not too keen). Maybe better always paste as a graphic into an empty text frame. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 8 12:26:03 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GAPi7-0yvGPo-07-9HQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:26:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GAPi7-0yvGPo-07-9HQ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:25:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GAPi7-0yvGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:25:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GAPi6-0002aj-QP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:25:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 845313BD112; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26686-08; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E897C3BD0FE; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 08 Aug 2006 07:24:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF94F3BCFF6 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26581-04 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw2.mh.bbc.co.uk (mailgw2.mh.bbc.co.uk [132.185.144.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61DC73BCEE1 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bbcxue207.national.core.bbc.co.uk ([10.124.8.60]) by mailgw2.mh.bbc.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k78BO115008101 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:24:02 +0100 (BST) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:24:33 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <$hEnKXBVkG2EFw$+@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW Thread-Index: Aca61sY87h3aIQXoQ2yZzcPxkFoVVQABQlGg From: "Michael Hunter" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 568 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote =20 >Anyone got an idea how it should work?=20 >Perhaps yet another paste option "Paste as graphic" (not too keen).=20 >Maybe better always paste as a graphic into an empty text frame. As somebody who uses MS products at work I'm often frustrated! I think the norm is for a simple 'paste' to chose the most 'obvious' option. Although it is not always 'obvious' to me! Many applications have an additional option in the edit menu=20 Paste Special... =20 which opens up a dialogue box with all the possible options. The dialogue changes with the object being pasted. (I quite often use it to achieve particular effects -=20 good when working within Excel and copying to Word!)=20 Would that work with OPW?=20 Michael http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system.=20 Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. 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From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 8 12:56:00 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GAQ7M-2wTGPo-07-8sB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:56:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GAQ7M-2wTGPo-07-8sB; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:51:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GAQ7M-2wTGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:51:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GAQ7L-0000JL-GG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:51:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B2443BD2E2; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30658-07; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DECD3BD0D6; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 08 Aug 2006 07:50:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B362B3BB872 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30492-06 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B71B33BAFD9 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GAQ6W-0005gW-Bt for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:50:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:48:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW Message-ID: <4e532912c8john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <000301c6b989$f270e1a0$6401a8c0@OFFICE> <200608071914.k77JElG6015929@ludo.freeuk.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 569 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 08 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > In message <200608071914.k77JElG6015929@ludo.freeuk.net>, Anthony Baker > writes > >Hi, > >The best program that I know of is 'Tablemate Designer' from G R Buchanan. > >In 1996 this was available from 'Dalriada Data Technology. However I > >think > That is for RISC OS though not OP Windows? > There have been huge speculative discussions on comp.sys.acorn (see > Google groups) about the status of Tablemate and its author. > I guess I'm saying there's no need to go through it all again. Unless > someone knows something definite. It's three years since George B. e-mailed me to say that he'd get back to me shortly. I'd offered to pick up the stock to arrange for it to be retailed and was waiting for a copy of the latest version of the program from him. At the time a 32-bit version of the program was forecast for 'later that year'. If anyone is in touch with George the original arrangement we made can still go ahead. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 8 14:06:04 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GAREx-2fDknw-08-GH6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:06:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GAREx-2fDknw-08-GH6; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:03:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GAREx-2fDknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:03:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GAREv-00068Q-K7 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:03:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CC7FB3BD647; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11022-07-3; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2AC5B3BD645; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:02:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B04F3BD5DC for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10833-04 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D54F83BD630 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GARE7-0006EY-HI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:02:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:01:05 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW References: <$hEnKXBVkG2EFw$+@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 570 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Paste Special... This triggers a memory about implementing OLE (embedding objects from other programs). I think there is a standard Windows dialogue. Thanks, paste special is worth thinking about. The joke is of course that there is also the paste in original position functionality. So one might end up with many versions of paste. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 8 16:08:53 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GAT4e-3V9Vbs-01-ERP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:08:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GAT4e-3V9Vbs-01-ERP; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:00:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GAT4e-3V9Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:00:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GAT4a-0000nK-ID for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:00:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D78D3BDA3D; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02288-03-7; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD0C63BD9CE; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:58:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DDA6D3BD982 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01690-01-9 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B6F13BD936 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060808145840.IPJY1865.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:58:40 +0100 Received: from PC01 ([82.4.103.18]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20060808145840.QGEJ11710.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@PC01> for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:58:40 +0100 Message-ID: <001201c6bafb$1f8279c0$6501a8c0@PC01> From: "John Grogan" To: "David Pilling \(softwarelist\)" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:58:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C6BB03.7FF6BB10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 571 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: johngrogan@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_LINK, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C6BB03.7FF6BB10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "John Cartmell" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW >>>The best program that I know of is 'Tablemate Designer' from G R = Buchanan. > It's three years since George B. e-mailed me to say that he'd get back = to me > shortly. I'd offered to pick up the stock to arrange for it to be = retailed and > was waiting for a copy of the latest version of the program from him. > At the time a 32-bit version of the program was forecast for 'later = that > year'. >=20 > If anyone is in touch with George the original arrangement we made can = still > go ahead. >=20 I know I've said this before but a new version of Tablemate Designer = would be very much appreciated. It's very good at its job and I use it = a great deal but I have a terrible fear that one of these days, e.g. = because of some change in RiscOS, it's going to break... I'd be happy = to pay for a 32-bit version - just for the knowledge that someone was = actually capable of rebuilding it. Regards John Grogan ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C6BB03.7FF6BB10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From: "John Cartmell" <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk&g= t;
To: <davidpilling@freelists.org= >
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:48 PM
Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW
 
>>>The best program that I know of is 'Tablemate Designer' = from G=20 R Buchanan.
 
> It's three years since George B. e-mailed me to say that he'd = get back=20 to me
> shortly. I'd offered to pick up the stock to arrange for = it to be=20 retailed and
> was waiting for a copy of the latest version of the = program=20 from him.
> At the time a 32-bit version of the program was = forecast for=20 'later that
> year'.
>
> If anyone is in touch with = George=20 the original arrangement we made can still
> go ahead.
> =
 
I know I've said this before but a new version of Tablemate = Designer=20 would be very much appreciated.  It's very good at its job and I = use it a=20 great deal but I have a terrible fear that one of these days, = e.g.=20 because of some change in RiscOS, it's going to break...  I'd = be happy=20 to pay for a 32-bit version - just for the knowledge that someone was = actually=20 capable of rebuilding it.
 
Regards
John Grogan
 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C6BB03.7FF6BB10-- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 8 16:18:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GATHF-2qb000-04-EEo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:18:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GATHF-2qb000-04-EEo; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:13:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GATHF-2qb000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:13:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GATHE-0001Jp-EU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:13:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B6EF3BE080; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05062-07; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 579823BE06E; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:12:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 641273BE080 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04898-06 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C9BB3BE06F for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060808151302.JEHL1865.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:13:02 +0100 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.1.166.158]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060808151302.NGMH23938.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:13:02 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:14:51 +0100 Message-ID: References: <001201c6bafb$1f8279c0$6501a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: <001201c6bafb$1f8279c0$6501a8c0@PC01> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 572 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <001201c6bafb$1f8279c0$6501a8c0@PC01> "John Grogan" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Cartmell" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:48 PM > Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW > >>>>The best program that I know of is 'Tablemate Designer' from G R Buchanan. > >> It's three years since George B. e-mailed me to say that he'd get back to me >> shortly. I'd offered to pick up the stock to arrange for it to be >> retailed and >> was waiting for a copy of the latest version of the program from him. >> At the time a 32-bit version of the program was forecast for 'later that >> year'. >> >> If anyone is in touch with George the original arrangement we made can still >> go ahead. >> > > I know I've said this before but a new version of Tablemate Designer > would be very much appreciated. It's very good at its job and I use > it a great deal but I have a terrible fear that one of these days, > e.g. because of some change in RiscOS, it's going to break... I'd be > happy to pay for a 32-bit version - just for the knowledge that > someone was actually capable of rebuilding it. > > Regards > John Grogan I think this is general, most of us would cheerfully pay for updates on many programmes. Alan -- Alan Leighton (The Rt Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Aug 8 17:08:56 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GAU0U-2Z3GPo-07-DVZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:08:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GAU0U-2Z3GPo-07-DVZ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:00:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GAU0U-2Z3GPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:00:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GAU0T-0005Mw-NI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:00:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40BEE3BDDA0; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15123-05; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34F1D3BDD23; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:59:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 025573BDABE for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14922-08 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4125B3BDA41 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GATzT-000837-34 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:59:35 +0100 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:57:05 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW Message-ID: References: <001201c6bafb$1f8279c0$6501a8c0@PC01> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 573 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 8 Aug, Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <001201c6bafb$1f8279c0$6501a8c0@PC01> > "John Grogan" wrote: >=20 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Cartmell" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:48 PM > > Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW > >=20 > >>>>The best program that I know of is 'Tablemate Designer' from G R Bu= chanan. > >=20 > >> It's three years since George B. e-mailed me to say that he'd get ba= ck to me > >> shortly. I'd offered to pick up the stock to arrange for it to be > >> retailed and > >> was waiting for a copy of the latest version of the program from him= . > >> At the time a 32-bit version of the program was forecast for 'later = that > >> year'. > >>=20 > >> If anyone is in touch with George the original arrangement we made c= an still > >> go ahead. > >>=20 > >=20 > > I know I've said this before but a new version of Tablemate Designer > > would be very much appreciated. It's very good at its job and I use > > it a great deal but I have a terrible fear that one of these days, > > e.g. because of some change in RiscOS, it's going to break... I'd be > > happy to pay for a 32-bit version - just for the knowledge that > > someone was actually capable of rebuilding it. > >=20 > > Regards > > John Grogan >=20 > I think this is general, most of us would cheerfully pay for updates=20 > on many programmes. Might it be worth going to the Dalriada web-site and sending a note to the Contact: http://www.dalriad.demon.co.uk/index.htm And even lots of us doing this? --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 9 11:31:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GAic2-1nH000-05-Fx3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:31:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GAic2-1nH000-05-Fx3; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 07:36:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GAic2-1nH000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 07:36:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GAic1-0006kI-UA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 07:36:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 682223BD12C; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 03:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22883-01; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 03:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2273C3BCD04; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 03:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 Aug 2006 03:35:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54E793BD12C for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 03:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22657-07 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 03:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C569A3BCCAB for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 03:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060809073535.EYCR1865.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:35:35 +0100 Received: from OFFICE ([86.5.110.19]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060809073535.QEL11710.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@OFFICE> for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:35:35 +0100 From: "jeff wallis" To: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:35:26 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c6bb86$630a77c0$6401a8c0@OFFICE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <$hEnKXBVkG2EFw$+@pilling.demon.co.uk> Thread-Index: Aca61rBJXcjvD2NBQLekt2FBIVI6lQArplMg X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 574 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jeff.wallis@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >-----Original Message----- >From:[mailto:davidpilling- >bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of David Pilling >Sent: 08 August 2006 11:36 >To: davidpilling@freelists.org >Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW > >>>Paste into an empty frame - result text > >>>Paste into a frame which contains a picture - result a graphic > >>Thanks very much for this - Who would have guessed that. > >I suspect I am a sinner. > >Anyone got an idea how it should work? Perhaps yet another paste option >"Paste as graphic" (not too keen). Maybe better always paste as a >graphic into an empty text frame. > I think it would be better to retain the option to post as text - I can envisage a situation where this would be preferable, e.g a table where the inter-column space was critical and needed to be tweaked; much easier to do that using the tab ruler rather than going back to the source program. How about another box on the toolbar for drawing a picture frame or one to toggle picture/text for an already drawn empty frame? Jeff Wallis From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 9 11:51:32 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GAlZQ-0LwGPo-05-Czf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:51:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GAlZQ-0LwGPo-05-Czf; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:45:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GAlZQ-0LwGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:45:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GAlZP-0007Dr-Lf for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:45:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4BF43BDD55; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16764-10; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64D963BDE48; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 Aug 2006 06:44:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38F4A3BDD1D for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16566-01 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 01AF73BDC0E for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GAlYb-00062s-7D for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:45:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3sP15lA4wb2EFwuM@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:43:04 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tables in OPW References: <$hEnKXBVkG2EFw$+@pilling.demon.co.uk> <001501c6bb86$630a77c0$6401a8c0@OFFICE> In-Reply-To: <001501c6bb86$630a77c0$6401a8c0@OFFICE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 575 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <001501c6bb86$630a77c0$6401a8c0@OFFICE>, jeff wallis writes >How about another box on the toolbar for drawing a picture frame or one to >toggle picture/text for an already drawn empty frame? There might be a case for that, you can have empty picture frames in OPW. Actually getting one involves loading a document from the old Ovation program. I'm inclined to go with the Paste Special... idea. It looks like that is the Windows way, many programs offer it, another difference between Windows and RISC OS which I have failed to grasp. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 9 20:53:55 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GAlhH-1BzGPo-04-Cro."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 20:53:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GAlhH-1BzGPo-04-Cro; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:53:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GAlhH-1BzGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:53:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GAlhF-000697-UH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:53:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9DACF3BD3EE; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18106-01; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A7F33BD22B; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 Aug 2006 06:52:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 867BF3BD2EA for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17832-05 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 347563BCF67 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ionyx. (dsl82-163-34-37.as15444.net [82.163.34.37]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k79Ar0EU009308 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:53:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: Ovation Pro Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:23:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Window positions Message-ID: <4e53a5231fjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.02, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.02) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 576 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Is there any way of presetting the position at which various windows appear? Every time I load a document, I have to move and resize the main document window, and move each of my default applet windows from the middle of the screen to near the side, where I can get at them. I am using O-Pro (RO) John -- John Harrison - using a British Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 http://www.jaharrison.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 9 21:03:52 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GAuCP-0wWknw-01-CtC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:03:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GAuCP-0wWknw-01-CtC; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:58:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GAuCP-0wWknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:58:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GAuCP-0000Ph-AN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:58:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A6D03BDEE6; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17643-06; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FB793BE254; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:57:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C3BCB3BDEE6 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17319-10 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92D813BDFC6 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GAuBf-0000RN-6B for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:57:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 20:56:50 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Window positions References: <4e53a5231fjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e53a5231fjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 577 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e53a5231fjohn@jaharrison.me.uk>, John Harrison writes >Is there any way of presetting the position at which various windows >appear? Every time I load a document, I have to move and resize the main >document window, and move each of my default applet windows from the middle >of the screen to near the side, where I can get at them. In brief, edit the template file for the main program. This problem has been discussed quite a bit here so the mail list archives will contain more info. With applet windows the situation is a little more complex because some of them have flags you can set to have the windows open in various positions. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 10 11:22:36 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GAwQR-1KiVbs-01-AfA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:22:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GAwQR-1KiVbs-01-AfA; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:21:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GAwQR-1KiVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:21:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GAwQR-00002Y-0l for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:21:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3222C3BD12A; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11453-04; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFFB93BD462; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:20:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AE1A3BD12A for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11386-02 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxout5.netvision.net.il (mxout5.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.29]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD8263BD06E for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [85.250.251.237] by mxout5.netvision.net.il (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0J3R00LHV4Q41Y10@mxout5.netvision.net.il> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:20:28 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:20:48 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: [softwarelist] Calibrating scanner with TWAIN To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <44DA5FC0.2060701@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 578 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mybg@netvision.net.il Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,HAS_ORGANIZATION,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have just installed a new Epson Perfection 4990 scanner on my PC and my Iyonix, thanks to David's TWAIN software and DPlngScan. On Windows the colours come out perfectly, but on the Iyonix they have quite a marked cyan cast (there may be other problems as well, but that is the most obvious). I presume that it needs calibrating - on Windows there is a .icm file which is customised for the scanner and I presume has the relevant data in it. Where do I start? I know the screen and printer are calibarted together, but how do I adjust the scanner? Thanks, Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 10 12:02:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GB8ET-4Gl000-01-FuA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:02:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GB8ET-4Gl000-01-FuA; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:57:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GB8ET-4Gl000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:57:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GB8ES-0003RS-8f for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:57:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CD31A3BE8A5; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25651-03; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1EE073BE120; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:56:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94E5E3BE0E7 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25231-06 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D3AD3BE0AA for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GB8Df-000DBz-DY for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:56:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:55:35 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Calibrating scanner with TWAIN References: <44DA5FC0.2060701@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <44DA5FC0.2060701@netvision.net.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 579 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <44DA5FC0.2060701@netvision.net.il>, Michael Ben-Gershon writes >Where do I start? I know the screen and printer are calibarted >together, but how do I adjust the scanner? At last someone who would like ICC colour profile support on RISC OS. One comment is that the Epson driver lets you pick from a menu a number of Epson colour corrections - these date back to the earliest Epson scanners. I'm not sure how useful they are, but perhaps picking the wrong one might give poor results. Knowing what I know now (i.e. in the light of profile support in DPScan and Ovation Pro on Windows) it would be easy to make the TWAIN driver take in an ICC profile and put out standard sRGB. It is unlikely I will do any more work though. Later Epson scanners allow a colour matrix to be uploaded into the scanner. Perhaps that allows the scanner to do the correction in the ICC profile and at higher resolution than the 8 bits the driver sees. I suppose there may be the possibility that the colour matrix is left in a non-standard state. For some scanners I've heard it said that scanning from Windows and then RISC OS gives different results to just scanning from RISC OS from cold. My TWAIN driver will let you do some colour correction - you can twiddle the RGB gamma curves independently of the overall brightness. There's also a detint button to help you set things (scan something white and then click the button). However this is not going to be fun. I know there are a handful of 4990 users, how do others go on? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 10 12:42:37 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GB8sB-2J6knw-01-FGS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:42:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GB8sB-2J6knw-01-FGS; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:38:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GB8sB-2J6knw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:38:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GB8sA-0007Oe-9A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:38:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F8E33BECEF; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31405-01; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B81983BEC95; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:37:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 368B13BEC31 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31030-07 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F40A03BEC2A for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GB8rN-0003II-PV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:37:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:37:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Calibrating scanner with TWAIN Message-ID: <4e542fc6e4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <44DA5FC0.2060701@netvision.net.il> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 580 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > There's also a detint button to help you set things (scan > something white and then click the button). However this is not > going to be fun. Is this in the general RISC OS Epson driver? I have the version for the 2400 scanner, but cannot see such a button in the scanner control window. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 10 14:12:40 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBACX-2TEVbs-07-Dw6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:12:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBACX-2TEVbs-07-Dw6; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:03:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBACX-2TEVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:03:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBACX-0004X9-Cy for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:03:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 509AB3BEC6E; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12491-09; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE4893BE950; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:02:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D39FA3BE954 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12397-01 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 811433BE04A for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GBABo-000NHH-0y for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:03:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:01:37 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Calibrating scanner with TWAIN References: <44DA5FC0.2060701@netvision.net.il> <4e542fc6e4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4e542fc6e4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 581 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> There's also a detint button to help you set things (scan >Is this in the general RISC OS Epson driver? Yup. It is in all the TWAIN 2 drivers. Page 19 in the manual "Removing Colour Tints" The icon is a little yellow blob connected by an arrow to a little white blob - what else could that be? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 10 14:12:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBAK6-247000-03-DoX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:12:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBAK6-247000-03-DoX; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:11:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBAK6-247000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:11:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBAK6-0004wW-2q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:11:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2E9D3BECB7; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13863-03; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FC183BEC3F; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:10:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DEEE3BECB7 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13603-07 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2FF2B3BEC3F for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GBAJJ-000P7S-3W for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:10:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:16:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Calibrating scanner with TWAIN Message-ID: <4e5438cd6ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <44DA5FC0.2060701@netvision.net.il> <4e542fc6e4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 582 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >> There's also a detint button to help you set things (scan > >Is this in the general RISC OS Epson driver? > Yup. It is in all the TWAIN 2 drivers. > Page 19 in the manual "Removing Colour Tints" > The icon is a little yellow blob connected by an arrow to a little white > blob - what else could that be? but - you have to be in colour scanning mode otherwise it's 'greyed out' -- >From KT24 - in drought-ridden Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 10 14:32:41 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBAQz-1iJGPo-08-Dhe."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:32:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBAQz-1iJGPo-08-Dhe; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:18:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBAQz-1iJGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:18:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBAQv-0001sK-3J for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:18:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E99BF3BC475; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15308-04; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D8063BBD75; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:17:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 751573BEE89 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15047-09 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxout2.netvision.net.il (mxout2.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.21]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A534B3BEDF7 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.0.163.16] by mxout2.netvision.net.il (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0J3S00JWLA9AOZ00@mxout2.netvision.net.il> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:17:35 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:17:55 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Calibrating scanner with TWAIN In-reply-to: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <44DB3203.6080901@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <44DA5FC0.2060701@netvision.net.il> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 583 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mybg@netvision.net.il Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <44DA5FC0.2060701@netvision.net.il>, Michael Ben-Gershon > writes >> Where do I start? I know the screen and printer are calibarted >> together, but how do I adjust the scanner? > > At last someone who would like ICC colour profile support on > RISC OS. > > One comment is that the Epson driver lets you pick from a menu a > number of Epson colour corrections - these date back to the earliest > Epson scanners. I'm not sure how useful they are, but perhaps picking > the wrong one might give poor results. > > Knowing what I know now (i.e. in the light of profile support in > DPScan and Ovation Pro on Windows) it would be easy to make the TWAIN > driver take in an ICC profile and put out standard sRGB. > > It is unlikely I will do any more work though. > > Later Epson scanners allow a colour matrix to be uploaded into the > scanner. Perhaps that allows the scanner to do the correction in the > ICC profile and at higher resolution than the 8 bits the driver sees. > > I suppose there may be the possibility that the colour matrix is left > in a non-standard state. For some scanners I've heard it said that > scanning from Windows and then RISC OS gives different results to just > scanning from RISC OS from cold. > > My TWAIN driver will let you do some colour correction - you can > twiddle the RGB gamma curves independently of the overall brightness. > There's also a detint button to help you set things (scan something > white and then click the button). However this is not going to be fun. Well, I started with the detint button, which (surprisingly) did not give consistent results. However, it was a start. I then played about with the individual RGB settings (brightness and contrast) until I could get a feel for what they were each doing. The, armed with a quite accurate colour chart I finally managed to get what I reckon is a pretty good colour scan. Of course, I have now saved the results! Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 10 14:42:41 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBAli-2Gx000-06-DMv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:42:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBAli-2Gx000-06-DMv; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:40:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBAli-2Gx000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:40:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBAld-0000vp-3K for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:40:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CF98B3BF1A8; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19111-03; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 714443BF1B9; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:38:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D15333BF1A8 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18873-01 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CCE053BF19F for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GBAkQ-0003jm-Fv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:38:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:38:30 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Calibrating scanner with TWAIN Message-ID: <4e543ad5f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <44DA5FC0.2060701@netvision.net.il><4e542fc6e4chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 584 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >> There's also a detint button to help you set things (scan > >Is this in the general RISC OS Epson driver? > Yup. It is in all the TWAIN 2 drivers. > Page 19 in the manual "Removing Colour Tints" > The icon is a little yellow blob connected by an arrow to a little white > blob - what else could that be? Ahhh - sorry. Egg on face. When I looked earlier, the scanner was set to Grey scale, so that icon was faded to grey, but more importantly the help that shows in the status/help field under that circumstance is the main window help, and not the button help. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 10 17:02:49 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBCuU-4Vl000-06-BE9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:02:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBCuU-4Vl000-06-BE9; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:57:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBCuU-4Vl000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:57:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBCuS-0002Jj-63 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:57:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C153F3BEE79; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14869-06; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 814D83BEE82; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:56:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D66313BEBAF for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14770-07 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxout2.netvision.net.il (mxout2.netvision.net.il [194.90.9.21]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E83C3BE91D for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [62.0.163.16] by mxout2.netvision.net.il (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0J3S00KWVHM81100@mxout2.netvision.net.il> for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:56:32 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:56:52 +0300 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Calibrating scanner with TWAIN In-reply-to: <44DB3203.6080901@netvision.net.il> To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-id: <44DB5744.2000906@netvision.net.il> Organization: My Office MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <44DA5FC0.2060701@netvision.net.il> <44DB3203.6080901@netvision.net.il> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 585 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mybg@netvision.net.il Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > >> In message <44DA5FC0.2060701@netvision.net.il>, Michael Ben-Gershon >> writes >>> Where do I start? I know the screen and printer are calibarted >>> together, but how do I adjust the scanner? >> >> At last someone who would like ICC colour profile support on >> RISC OS. >> >> One comment is that the Epson driver lets you pick from a menu a >> number of Epson colour corrections - these date back to the earliest >> Epson scanners. I'm not sure how useful they are, but perhaps picking >> the wrong one might give poor results. >> >> Knowing what I know now (i.e. in the light of profile support in >> DPScan and Ovation Pro on Windows) it would be easy to make the TWAIN >> driver take in an ICC profile and put out standard sRGB. >> >> It is unlikely I will do any more work though. >> >> Later Epson scanners allow a colour matrix to be uploaded into the >> scanner. Perhaps that allows the scanner to do the correction in the >> ICC profile and at higher resolution than the 8 bits the driver sees. >> >> I suppose there may be the possibility that the colour matrix is left >> in a non-standard state. For some scanners I've heard it said that >> scanning from Windows and then RISC OS gives different results to >> just scanning from RISC OS from cold. >> >> My TWAIN driver will let you do some colour correction - you can >> twiddle the RGB gamma curves independently of the overall brightness. >> There's also a detint button to help you set things (scan something >> white and then click the button). However this is not going to be fun. > Well, I started with the detint button, which (surprisingly) did not > give consistent results. However, it was a start. I then played about > with the individual RGB settings (brightness and contrast) until I > could get a feel for what they were each doing. The, armed with a > quite accurate colour chart I finally managed to get what I reckon > is a pretty good colour scan. Of course, I have now saved the results! Well, I still can't get it perfect! I can't quite figure out what the individual brightness, contrast and gamma settings do to the overall colour balance. If there is some systematic tutorial somewhere on calibrating scanners I would love to get hold of it, but I have not found anything yet which I can follow. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 11 11:16:48 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBHsl-1uBknw-05-EmO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:16:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBHsl-1uBknw-05-EmO; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:15:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBHsl-1uBknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:15:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBHsl-0004Ye-BM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:15:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D4DD3BF1B3; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18376-09; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CAAC03BF190; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:14:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 947683BF1B3 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18149-02 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 404473BF161 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ionyx. (dsl89-213-11-87.as15444.net [89.213.11.87]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7ALEeK2000946 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:14:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:16:43 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Crash when rounding corners Message-ID: <4e5464c93cjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <1fe2984b4e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4e4b15faddjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <4e4b61d55bjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <1fe2984b4e.janvred@smile.ch> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.019, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.02) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 586 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >> Effectively it is a known problem, > > Is there a known work around? ......... > Yes, have a slightly different radius. That works fine for my original problem of co-incident corners. I have now discovered that the problem also appears if I try to round the corners of frames embedded in the text (with single frames, ie no question of co-incident corners). Is there any work around for that? John -- John Harrison - using a British Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 http://www.jaharrison.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 11 12:06:45 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBUkR-0pDGPo-01-ARE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:06:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBUkR-0pDGPo-01-ARE; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:00:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBUkR-0pDGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:00:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBUkR-0006Qw-DJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:00:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 459773BEC24; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16706-04; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEF3A3BECEA; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:59:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 789603BEC24 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16370-09 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-05.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42D233BEBC1 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 06:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.184) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 4497972C00525B8E for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:59:28 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Crash when rounding corners To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:01:00 +0200 Message-ID: <5240b0544e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4e4b15faddjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <4e4b61d55bjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <1fe2984b4e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e5464c93cjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e5464c93cjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 587 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e5464c93cjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> John Harrison wrote: [snip] >> > > That works fine for my original problem of co-incident corners. I have now > discovered that the problem also appears if I try to round the corners of > frames embedded in the text (with single frames, ie no question of > co-incident corners). > > Is there any work around for that? The only useful suggestion I have is to use my versions of OP (2.77) and OPW (2.90) as in both cases I cannot repeat your problem. Maybe you have to pull out some or other applet. -- Greetings, JohnvV From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 11 12:16:46 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBUrL-3yd000-05-AKK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:16:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBUrL-3yd000-05-AKK; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:07:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBUrL-3yd000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:07:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBUrL-0001hZ-EB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:07:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 40F9A3BED96; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17511-06; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D7CF23BED07; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:06:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4FBA3BED96 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17412-08 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DE463BEC1E for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ionyx. (dsl89-213-12-152.as15444.net [89.213.12.152]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7BB6S6k024304 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:06:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:08:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Crash when rounding corners Message-ID: <4e54b0f8fejohn@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <5240b0544e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4e4b15faddjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <4e4b61d55bjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <1fe2984b4e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e5464c93cjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <5240b0544e.janvred@smile.ch> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.018, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.02) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 588 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > The only useful suggestion I have is to use my versions of OP (2.77) I have OP 2.76. > ... I cannot repeat your problem. I haven't pinned down the exact circumstances. In some cases it crashes when I round the corners of an embedded frame, but in some cases it doesn't. In one case when it seemed OK, I added a 'return' after the previous paragraph (to check that it was embedded) and that made it crash. In another, I had two frames touching that crashed when I rounded them, so thinking about the co-incident corners, I moved one to the side before rounding it (OK) but it crashed as soon as I tried to move it. John -- John Harrison - using a British Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 http://www.jaharrison.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 11 18:27:05 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBahH-0N9knw-04-D0u."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:27:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBahH-0N9knw-04-D0u; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:21:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBahH-0N9knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:21:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBahH-0000tm-GI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:21:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 282C63BF6F9; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29777-04; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4AC23BF615; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:20:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BD0A83BF6F9 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29492-04 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 4FBB13BF688 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 74648 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 17:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 17:20:37 -0000 Message-ID: <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:20:54 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Replacing pictures in OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 589 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I'm currently working on a document that contains a number of pictures -- B&W and grayscale TIFFs created in Adobe Photoshop. Once or twice I had occasion to delete a picture (Ctrl-k), edit it in Photoshop, and (after saving it) drop it back into the same picture frame. However, instead of the new, edited picture, what appears in the frame is the original picture! Since the original should have been overwritten on the hard drive with the new edited version, I assume that what appears in the frame has been pasted from the clipboard. How do I prevent this from happening? Can I erase the clipboard (from within OPW) before dropping an updated picture into a frame? If so, how? The only solution I have found so far is to delete the (original) picture, close then re-open the document, before dropping the updated picture into the frame. "Referencing" the picture doesn't seem to help ... it's still necessary to close/reopen the document before the updated picture can be seen (and I find that the positioning of the picture is then messed up). -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 11 21:47:14 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBdrE-3BvVbs-04-9qx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:47:14 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBdrE-3BvVbs-04-9qx; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:43:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBdrE-3BvVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:43:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBdrE-0005Lc-9y for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:43:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E7F6A3BFD9F; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02321-08; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82B6D3C0171; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:42:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A849D3C0093 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02143-03 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DB6E3BFD9F for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 16:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GBdqU-000LK3-Ab for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 20:43:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:41:43 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW References: <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 590 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >I'm currently working on a document that contains a number of pictures >-- B&W and grayscale TIFFs created in Adobe Photoshop. Once or twice >I had occasion to delete a picture (Ctrl-k), edit it in Photoshop, and >(after saving it) drop it back into the same picture frame. However, >instead of the new, edited picture, what appears in the frame is the >original picture! Since the original should have been overwritten on >the hard drive with the new edited version, I assume that what appears >in the frame has been pasted from the clipboard. I'm not quite sure what you're doing, so excuse me for saying what may be obvious. So you've got a picture in a frame, you delete it (why bother?), and this picture is not referenced(?). You then edit the original image which exists somewhere on disc, and then drag and drop it back into the frame? It should change in that case, and it is hard to see why it would not. I can't see why or how the clipboard can be relevant. There's nothing in the above process which involves the clipboard. OPW will let you look at what is on its own clipboard. >How do I prevent this from happening? Well it shouldn't be happening. > Can I erase the clipboard (from within OPW) Not as such, but you can mark a bit of text and copy that to the clipboard (and of course use the facility to view the clipboard to see what is on it). >solution I have found so far is to delete the (original) picture, close >then re-open the document, before dropping the updated picture into the >frame. That makes it sound like a bug. Perhaps the TIFF filter is failing, and OPW does not recognise that error and you get the previous contents. Interesting check, create a new frame and drop the image into it, and see what happens. >"Referencing" the picture doesn't seem to help ... it's still necessary >to close/reopen the document before the updated picture can be seen >(and I find that the positioning of the picture is then messed up). Referencing works by knowing paths to images, and there is a cache of images inside OPW, so with referencing there is a lot of scope for the type of problem you describe. That's why above I'm trying to establish that you're not using referenced images. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 11:39:04 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBfVM-1ExGPo-04-GjL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:39:04 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBfVM-1ExGPo-04-GjL; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:29:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBfVM-1ExGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:29:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBfVM-0002vV-Hz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 22:29:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29F0A3C01E0; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19573-05; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B90823C01A7; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:28:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4860C3C01E0 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19269-08 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id C3B8F3C01DD for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 66777 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2006 22:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 2006 22:28:39 -0000 Message-ID: <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 23:29:52 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW References: <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 591 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> I'm currently working on a document that contains a number of pictures >> -- B&W and grayscale TIFFs created in Adobe Photoshop. Once or twice >> I had occasion to delete a picture (Ctrl-k), edit it in Photoshop, and >> (after saving it) drop it back into the same picture frame. However, >> instead of the new, edited picture, what appears in the frame is the >> original picture! Since the original should have been overwritten on >> the hard drive with the new edited version, I assume that what appears >> in the frame has been pasted from the clipboard. > > I'm not quite sure what you're doing, so excuse me for saying what may > be obvious. > > So you've got a picture in a frame, you delete it (why bother?), and > this picture is not referenced(?). You then edit the original image > which exists somewhere on disc, and then drag and drop it back into the > frame? Exactly! Why bother to delete the picture in the first place ...? Because, having seen it on the page, I decided I could "improve" on it. Happens quite a lot. > It should change in that case, and it is hard to see why it would not. I > can't see why or how the clipboard can be relevant. My (erroneous) assumption -- ctrl-k doesn't cut to the clipboard (vs ctrl-x). [snip] >> solution I have found so far is to delete the (original) picture, >> close then re-open the document, before dropping the updated picture >> into the frame. > > That makes it sound like a bug. Perhaps the TIFF filter is failing, and > OPW does not recognise that error and you get the previous contents. > > Interesting check, create a new frame and drop the image into it, and > see what happens. See below. >> "Referencing" the picture doesn't seem to help ... [snip] > Referencing works by knowing paths to images, and there is a cache of > images inside OPW, so with referencing there is a lot of scope for the > type of problem you describe. That's why above I'm trying to establish > that you're not using referenced images. When I first noticed the problem, I don't think any of the pictures were referenced. Once the problem materialised, I tried referencing the pictures in question, but it didn't seem to help. Since receiving your reply, I have carried out the following tests: TEST 1 Create new document Create frame Drop TIFF image into frame Delete picture (ctrl-k) Open original TIFF file in Photoshop and edit it Save TIFF Drop updated TIFF into frame in OPW document "Original" picture reappears (not updated image file on disk) Create new frame (in same document) Drop updated TIFF image into new frame "Original" picture appears ... TEST 2 Create another new document Create frame Drop TIFF image into frame *REFERENCE PICTURE* Delete picture (ctrl-k) Open original TIFF file in Photoshop and edit it Save TIFF Drop updated TIFF into frame in OPW document "Original" picture reappears (not updated image file on disk) -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 11:39:05 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBg1A-209GPo-01-GDX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:39:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBg1A-209GPo-01-GDX; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 23:02:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBg1A-209GPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 23:02:16 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBg1A-0003gL-Js for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 23:02:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36DA33BFE7E; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24855-05; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D32CF3BFE26; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:01:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E225A3BFE99 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24701-05 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AFCCD3BFE98 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 19:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from richardbrock.plus.com ([84.92.57.121] helo=RISCOS) by relay.freeuk.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GBg0S-000K8q-8L for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:01:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:01:31 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW Message-ID: <4e54f23747badger.sett@freeuk.com> References: <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk> <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: rb02 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 592 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: badger.sett@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > Since receiving your reply, I have carried out the following tests: > TEST 1 Create new document Create frame Drop TIFF image into frame > Delete picture (ctrl-k) Open original TIFF file in Photoshop and edit > it Save TIFF Drop updated TIFF into frame in OPW document "Original" > picture reappears (not updated image file on disk) > Create new frame (in same document) Drop updated TIFF image into new > frame "Original" picture appears ... > TEST 2 Create another new document Create frame Drop TIFF image into > frame *REFERENCE PICTURE* Delete picture (ctrl-k) Open original TIFF > file in Photoshop and edit it Save TIFF Drop updated TIFF into frame in > OPW document "Original" picture reappears (not updated image file on > disk) Repeatable here with OPW and similarly with Ovation Pro in RISCOS with pictures of any file type... in fact in RISCOS, two pictures of different file types still do the same if they consecutively have the same name and location... hasn't it always been this way? I've long been in the habit of adding an incrementing digit to the names of pictures as they are modified so as to force Ovation Pro to 'redraw'... but then I've probably missed something obvious! Richard Brock -- Richard Brock From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 11:39:09 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBog4-0ytVbs-08-G59."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:39:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBog4-0ytVbs-08-G59; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:17:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBog4-0ytVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:17:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBog3-0000Rk-U0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 08:17:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 61FC63C036D; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00870-09; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89A093C0351; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:16:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5B0A23C03D2 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00707-03 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C774E3C03B9 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 04:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060812081615.RANE27023.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:16:15 +0100 Received: from OFFICE ([86.5.110.19]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060812081615.ZRQO644.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@OFFICE> for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:16:15 +0100 From: "jeff wallis" To: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:16:11 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c6bde7$939d1c40$6401a8c0@OFFICE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Aca9lYxnPueyP3NzSK2wee+AkhuwfQAUHaSg In-Reply-To: <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 593 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jeff.wallis@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >-----Original Message----- >From: >[mailto:davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Clive Bonsall >Sent: 11 August 2006 23:30 >To: davidpilling@freelists.org >Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW > >> So you've got a picture in a frame, you delete it (why bother?), and >> this picture is not referenced(?). You then edit the original image >> which exists somewhere on disc, and then drag and drop it back into >> the frame? > >Exactly! > > >Since receiving your reply, I have carried out the following tests: > >TEST 1 >Create new document >Create frame >Drop TIFF image into frame >Delete picture (ctrl-k) >Open original TIFF file in Photoshop and edit it Save TIFF >Drop updated TIFF into frame in OPW document "Original" >picture reappears (not updated image file on disk) > >Create new frame (in same document) >Drop updated TIFF image into new frame >"Original" picture appears ... > > >TEST 2 >Create another new document >Create frame >Drop TIFF image into frame >*REFERENCE PICTURE* >Delete picture (ctrl-k) >Open original TIFF file in Photoshop and edit it Save TIFF >Drop updated TIFF into frame in OPW document "Original" >picture reappears (not updated image file on disk) > >-- >Clive Bonsall >C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Haven't been able to reproduce this here but I'm not sure what you mean by 'delete picture with Ctrl k' - that deletes the frame as well. Why delete the old picture? Why not just drop the revised version into the original frame? Having dropped the revised picture into the frame I can toggle between the old and new versions using 'undo' and 'redo'. All this was with non-referenced pictures - haven't tried it with referenced. Jeff Wallis From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 11:39:09 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBpWE-2FJVbs-03-FEz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:39:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBpWE-2FJVbs-03-FEz; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:10:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBpWE-2FJVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:10:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBpWD-0005mr-Ih for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:10:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02D483BFCF7; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07469-08; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A07F83BFCE2; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:09:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0B6B33BF821 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07396-03 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB9913BF6E2 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GBpVV-0005to-RV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:10:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:09:40 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW Message-ID: <4e5529e4d9chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <000001c6bde7$939d1c40$6401a8c0@OFFICE> References: <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> <000001c6bde7$939d1c40$6401a8c0@OFFICE> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 594 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <000001c6bde7$939d1c40$6401a8c0@OFFICE>, jeff wallis wrote: > Haven't been able to reproduce this here but I'm not sure what you > mean by 'delete picture with Ctrl k' - that deletes the frame as > well. Why delete the old picture? Why not just drop the revised > version into the original frame? > Having dropped the revised picture into the frame I can toggle > between the old and new versions using 'undo' and 'redo'. > All this was with non-referenced pictures - haven't tried it with > referenced. I have had a little play with RISC OS version. I would agree with the above. It all seems to work as I would expect here, and I certainly have never noticed a problem with editing images and redisplaying. I tried the tests, using jpeg files, using both the delete (ctrl K) method, and the method I normally use which is simply to drop the modified file back into the frame on top of the old version, and the new version was displayed in both cases. I use DPlingScan for much of my minor editing/processing, and the quickest way is to simply save the modified image directly from DPScan back into the frame. The new version is immediately shown. If doing this a lot, I use the Menu->Misc->Min memory to get rid of unused images from the document before saving. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 11:39:09 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBpm8-2dWVbs-03-Ez5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:39:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBpm8-2dWVbs-03-Ez5; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:27:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBpm8-2dWVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:27:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBpm7-0002hS-GY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:27:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C74403BF469; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09642-10; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6508E3BEEC1; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:26:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33BF03BF469 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09240-07 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ranger.systems.pipex.net (ranger.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.32]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2E633BF2BD for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 05:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RiscPC (81-178-208-109.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.208.109]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB05CE000538 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:26:37 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:20:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW Message-ID: <4e552adb36steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> References: <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk> <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 595 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 11 Aug, Clive Bonsall wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > In message <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > > writes [Snip] > > I'm not quite sure what you're doing, so excuse me for saying what may > > be obvious. > > > > So you've got a picture in a frame, you delete it (why bother?), and > > this picture is not referenced(?). You then edit the original image > > which exists somewhere on disc, and then drag and drop it back into > > the frame? > Exactly! > Why bother to delete the picture in the first place ...? Because, having > seen it on the page, I decided I could "improve" on it. Happens quite a > lot. I thought the point of using something like OvPro was that you could edit the image in situ (using an external editor by holding ctrl while clicking on the image) -- Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 11:39:09 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBqal-21R000-05-EAS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:39:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBqal-21R000-05-EAS; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:19:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBqal-21R000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:19:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBqak-000730-Oa for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:19:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B2CF3BEFDE; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16041-05; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5FA73BEB7B; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:18:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C8433BEFDE for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16004-04 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1A4A3BEF24 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GBqa1-0001QM-QV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:18:57 +0100 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:17:06 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <541130554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Subject: [softwarelist] Rotating referenced pictures in OPro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 596 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is on the RISC OS version. OPro is the only package I've found that will allow me to assemble pictures by reference and thus without creating enormous new documents. I use this particularly for pics from my digital camera. But some of the pics are in portrait mode, that is they are on their side. They need turning through 90deg to be right. I have failed to find a way of doing this for pictures that are only by reference. Can anyone help? Or is it is feature of OPro? (In fact what I've done is to turn the picture through 90deg in I****M**t*r and make a copy and reference to that. But the pictures star= t as JPEGs and I am not sure how to save them without losing definition or having to use a non-lossy format. So extra disc space is used up with the copy.) =20 --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 11:59:01 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBr5L-4d5Vbs-08-Dfs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:59:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBr5L-4d5Vbs-08-Dfs; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:51:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBr5L-4d5Vbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:51:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBr5I-0005Py-Df for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:51:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 428363BF166; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19561-01; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 219233BF289; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:50:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4EBC53BF166 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18967-07 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 136B13BF159 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GBr4X-0001mo-Jh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:50:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:49:05 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW References: <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk> <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 597 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Why bother to delete the picture in the first place ...? Because, >having seen it on the page, I decided I could "improve" on it. Happens >quite a lot. Yes but why delete and drop in the new version, rather than just dropping the new version on top of the old one. Thinking about your email later on, I thought I'd got it, ISTR you had problems with not having enough memory for huge image files. So I thought you were probably deleting the old image to make space for the new one. Of course that doesn't necessarily work because the old image can be in the undo buffer. I was going to say, delete the old image, then Misc-> Clear Undo buffer (or on RISC OS "min memory") >TEST 1 Hmm. Someone mentioned saving the edited image with a different name. That would be interesting. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 11:59:01 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBr8W-00hGPo-07-Dch."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:59:01 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBr8W-00hGPo-07-Dch; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:54:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBr8W-00hGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:54:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBr8V-0006xV-KN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:54:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E3703BF166; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19913-06; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C227D3BF8E8; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:53:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63E7B3BF86B for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19643-08 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D9B23BF6CD for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 06:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GBr7n-000KRI-77 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:53:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:52:34 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Rotating referenced pictures in OPro References: <541130554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <541130554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 598 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <541130554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe writes >I use this particularly for pics from my digital camera. But some of >the pics are in portrait mode, that is they are on their side. They >need turning through 90deg to be right. I have failed to find a way of >doing this for pictures that are only by reference. OP lets you apply an angle to any picture in a frame (referenced or not). So why can't you just set it to 90 degrees. The only thing is that if you apply any transformation to a JPEG it will get expanded before printing - which may or may not matter. >(In fact what I've done is to turn the picture through 90deg in >I****M**t*r and make a copy and reference to that. But the pictures start >as JPEGs and I am not sure how to save them without losing definition or >having to use a non-lossy format. So extra disc space is used up with >the copy.) > The solution is a program that can rotate (through 90 degrees) JPEGs without unpacking them - such free utilities do exist. Others may know better, but for RISC OS, the name JCut springs to mind. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 12:09:02 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBrIJ-0EOGPo-08-DSu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:09:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBrIJ-0EOGPo-08-DSu; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:04:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBrIJ-0EOGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:04:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBrIJ-0006kz-1z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:04:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E3803BF8E8; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21088-03; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 480423BF904; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:03:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83FBC3BF8E8 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21002-02 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 515443BF749 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GBrHa-000LiT-8h for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:03:58 +0000 Message-ID: <$MH3xTCeVb3EFwFE@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:02:54 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW References: <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk> <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> <4e54f23747badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4e54f23747badger.sett@freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 599 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e54f23747badger.sett@freeuk.com>, Richard Brock writes >Repeatable here with OPW and similarly with Ovation Pro in RISCOS with >pictures of any file type... in fact in RISCOS, two pictures of different >file types still do the same if they consecutively have the same name and >location... hasn't it always been this way? I've long been in the habit >of adding an incrementing digit to the names of pictures as they are >modified so as to force Ovation Pro to 'redraw'... but then I've probably >missed something obvious! I can't reproduce this. I've tried using GIF files and Windows image viewer to do the editing. Very interesting, but more data needed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 12:29:02 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBrbm-0fmGPo-06-D9R."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:29:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBrbm-0fmGPo-06-D9R; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:24:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBrbm-0fmGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:24:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBrbm-0006TQ-GW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 11:24:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F34AB3BEDBC; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25736-06; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9772D3BF7E5; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:23:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 46E2D3BEDBC for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25342-10 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 105B03BED55 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GBrb2-0000nY-RG for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:24:05 +0100 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:20:17 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Rotating referenced pictures in OPro Message-ID: <50da35554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <541130554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 600 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 12 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > In message <541130554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe=20 > writes > >I use this particularly for pics from my digital camera. But some of > >the pics are in portrait mode, that is they are on their side. They > >need turning through 90deg to be right. I have failed to find a way o= f > >doing this for pictures that are only by reference. >=20 >=20 > OP lets you apply an angle to any picture in a frame (referenced or=20 > not). So why can't you just set it to 90 degrees. I've now cracked it. The problem as that the picture vanished on being rotated and I could not find where it had got to. Then I click on "Centre lock" and tried again and all is exactly as you say. > >(In fact what I've done is to turn the picture through 90deg in > >I****M**t*r and make a copy and reference to that. But the pictures s= tart > >as JPEGs and I am not sure how to save them without losing definition = or > >having to use a non-lossy format. So extra disc space is used up with > >the copy.) > > >=20 > The solution is a program that can rotate (through 90 degrees) JPEGs=20 > without unpacking them - such free utilities do exist. Others may know=20 > better, but for RISC OS, the name JCut springs to mind. Thanks, will be very useful. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 14:29:10 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBtXN-0Ih000-06-BDq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:29:10 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBtXN-0Ih000-06-BDq; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:28:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBtXN-0Ih000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:28:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBtXN-00028z-K9 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:28:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E7603BF5B4; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08459-06; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1DB73BFBF1; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:27:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7F5043BF5B4 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08269-05 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 12D063BF551 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67436 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 13:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 13:27:41 -0000 Message-ID: <44DDD78E.2030005@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:28:46 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW References: <000001c6bde7$939d1c40$6401a8c0@OFFICE> In-Reply-To: <000001c6bde7$939d1c40$6401a8c0@OFFICE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 601 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) jeff wallis wrote: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> [mailto:davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Clive Bonsall >> Sent: 11 August 2006 23:30 >> To: davidpilling@freelists.org >> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW >> > > >>> So you've got a picture in a frame, you delete it (why bother?), and >>> this picture is not referenced(?). You then edit the original image >>> which exists somewhere on disc, and then drag and drop it back into >>> the frame? >> Exactly! >> > > > >> Since receiving your reply, I have carried out the following tests: [snip] > Haven't been able to reproduce this here but I'm not sure what you mean by > 'delete picture with Ctrl k' - that deletes the frame as well. If you first double-click over the picture to select it, ctrl-k will delete the picture. Otherwise it will delete the frame. > Why delete the old picture? Why not just drop the revised version into the > original frame? Wasn't aware of that option ... but I am now. Thanks. -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 14:49:09 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBtk4-0aA000-06-B19."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:49:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBtk4-0aA000-06-B19; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:41:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBtk4-0aA000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:41:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBtk3-00004o-Uu for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:41:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A73B3C0212; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10375-04; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1372B3C0028; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:40:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38B633C0212 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10273-03 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id BDC2D3C02E2 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 43003 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 13:40:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 13:40:47 -0000 Message-ID: <44DDDAA6.2080402@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:41:58 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW References: <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk> <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> <4e552adb36steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4e552adb36steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 602 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Steven Pampling wrote: > On 11 Aug, Clive Bonsall wrote: >> David Pilling wrote: >>> In message <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >>> writes > [snip] > I thought the point of using something like OvPro was that you could edit > the image in situ (using an external editor by holding ctrl while clicking > on the image) Don't think that option is available in OPW ... tho' it would be nice if it were. -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 14:59:10 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBtww-0qW000-07-AoH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; 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Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:53:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 609373BFAF1 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12292-08 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A5043BFA47 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 09:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GBtwC-000ICW-71 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:54:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:52:30 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW References: <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk> <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> <4e552adb36steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <44DDDAA6.2080402@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44DDDAA6.2080402@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 603 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> On 11 Aug, Clive Bonsall wrote: >> I thought the point of using something like OvPro was that you could edit >> the image in situ (using an external editor by holding ctrl while clicking >> on the image) >Don't think that option is available in OPW ... tho' it would be nice >if it were. Correct, OLE on RISC OS we have, OLE on Windows (where the term OLE came from) we don't have. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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(jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 14:06:10 -0000 Message-ID: <44DDE0A3.8040102@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:07:31 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW References: <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk> <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 604 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Why bother to delete the picture in the first place ...? Because, >> having seen it on the page, I decided I could "improve" on it. Happens >> quite a lot. > > Yes but why delete and drop in the new version, rather than just > dropping the new version on top of the old one. Now I know about it, that's a simpler solution. But it still doesn't solve the problem -- the old picture is not replaced by the new ... until I close the file and re-open it! > Thinking about your email later on, I thought I'd got it, ISTR you had > problems with not having enough memory for huge image files. So I > thought you were probably deleting the old image to make space for the > new one. Of course that doesn't necessarily work because the old image > can be in the undo buffer. Your recollection is correct, but that wasn't what I was trying to do on this occasion. > I was going to say, delete the old image, then > > Misc-> Clear Undo buffer Doesn't seem to make any difference ... the "old" image still reappears. > Hmm. Someone mentioned saving the edited image with a different name. > That would be interesting. That works ... but I suspect it would make for other complications, like me remembering which file is which. -- Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 15:29:11 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBuSG-1iF000-04-AIx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:29:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBuSG-1iF000-04-AIx; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:27:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBuSG-1iF000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:27:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBuSG-0006gn-Fv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:27:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E99673BF5B6; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17195-09; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92C263BECF0; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:26:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AF2A03BF5B6 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16928-08 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A68D3BEFDC for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GBuRY-000CMv-0h for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:26:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:25:09 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW References: <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk> <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> <44DDE0A3.8040102@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44DDE0A3.8040102@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 605 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <44DDE0A3.8040102@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >> Hmm. Someone mentioned saving the edited image with a different name. >>That would be interesting. >That works ... but I suspect it would make for other complications, >like me remembering which file is which. Interesting. What you've said ties things down quite a lot. I still can't see the bug though. There is the possibility that the Windows file system is doing something very clever and stopping one app seeing changes wrought by another. Although that theory is sunk by Richard Brock saying the bug has always existed on RISC OS - not sure I believe him ;-) Unless you are using referenced images, OP has no idea where images have come from. So it has to reload data from disc. A new frame also has no memory of previous contents, so again the data has to come from disc. TIFF files are being translated on loading. It would be interesting to know if the same problem occurs with files that are not translated e.g. .bmp -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 15:29:13 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBuSV-1Zb000-06-AIi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:29:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBuSV-1Zb000-06-AIi; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:27:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBuSV-1Zb000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:27:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBuSV-0006pM-Iv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:27:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20BC73BF117; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17215-08; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB9B43BECF0; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:26:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC4E23BFDBF for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17040-10 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 799FD3BF5B4 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6966 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 14:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 14:26:43 -0000 Message-ID: <44DDE52A.2050803@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:26:50 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW References: <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk> <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 606 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Why bother to delete the picture in the first place ...? Because, >> having seen it on the page, I decided I could "improve" on it. Happens >> quite a lot. > > Thinking about your email later on, I thought I'd got it, ISTR you had > problems with not having enough memory for huge image files. So I > thought you were probably deleting the old image to make space for the > new one. Of course that doesn't necessarily work because the old image > can be in the undo buffer. > > I was going to say, delete the old image, then > > Misc-> Clear Undo buffer > Hmm. Someone mentioned saving the edited image with a different name. > That would be interesting. As I said in an earlier email ... that works. So too, I discover, does changing the path (i.e. saving the file to a different directory from the original file) but keeping the file name the same. Does this offer any clues ...? -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 15:39:13 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBub3-1vs000-01-AAA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:39:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBub3-1vs000-01-AAA; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:36:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBub3-1vs000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:36:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBub3-0003FG-5w for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:36:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75F073BFA9F; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18296-01; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19C773BF71A; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:35:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E24793BF5D6 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18194-02 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 55C553BF14C for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31516 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2006 14:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 14:35:32 -0000 Message-ID: <44DDE73E.8060008@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:35:42 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW References: <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk> <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> <44DDE0A3.8040102@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 607 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <44DDE0A3.8040102@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >>> Hmm. Someone mentioned saving the edited image with a different name. >>> That would be interesting. >> That works ... but I suspect it would make for other complications, >> like me remembering which file is which. > > Interesting. > > What you've said ties things down quite a lot. I still can't see the bug > though. > > There is the possibility that the Windows file system is doing something > very clever and stopping one app seeing changes wrought by another. > Although that theory is sunk by Richard Brock saying the bug has always > existed on RISC OS - not sure I believe him ;-) > > Unless you are using referenced images, OP has no idea where images have > come from. So it has to reload data from disc. A new frame also has no > memory of previous contents, so again the data has to come from disc. Ah ... now that has caused me to think. A check on my Misc>Choices shows that "Reference if over 200k" is ticked, which means that these particular pictures will have been referenced automatically. Unticking that option solves the problem. Oops, sorry about that. > TIFF files are being translated on loading. It would be interesting to > know if the same problem occurs with files that are not translated e.g. > .bmp -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 15:49:13 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBuhJ-1zE000-03-A3u."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:49:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBuhJ-1zE000-03-A3u; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:42:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBuhJ-1zE000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:42:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBuhJ-0004R8-3n for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:42:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91EFD3BF71A; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19423-02; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 31E913BFF0C; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:41:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34A843BF71A for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19201-06 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 015FB3BF5B6 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GBugZ-000KBd-C3 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:41:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:40:55 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW References: <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk> <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> <44DDE52A.2050803@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44DDE52A.2050803@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 608 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <44DDE52A.2050803@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >So too, I discover, does changing the path (i.e. saving the file to a >different directory from the original file) but keeping the file name >the same. >Does this offer any clues ...? Well changing the path is like changing the name. It makes it look like a different picture file. If there is a bug, or feature somewhere that knows that picture X comes from location Y (i.e. file name and path), then it is very easy to understand what is going on. You tell OP to load from location Y and it uses a copy of X from memory instead of from disc. Caching in other words. Now for referenced images that is possible. Although there should be some checks on time stamps. What I can't see it for is non-referenced images - because there is no memory of the filename/path of a picture, and quite possibly it does not exist in OPW memory. (err um, there is a feature in OPW which lets you configure it to automatically references pictures - Choices->Picture. Have you got that turned on? If you select a picture, use Picture->reference then if it is referenced it will show you the path) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 19:29:24 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBy8u-2XFknw-04-F8p."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:29:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBy8u-2XFknw-04-F8p; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:23:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBy8u-2XFknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:23:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBy8u-0005Dw-4D for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:23:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96D793BF7E5; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22567-05; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3CE3A3BF86B; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:22:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2F003BF7E5 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22094-10 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C3313BF7E3 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 14:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GBy8B-0000eM-5t for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:22:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:21:14 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW References: <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk> <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> <44DDE0A3.8040102@ed.ac.uk> <44DDE73E.8060008@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44DDE73E.8060008@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 609 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <44DDE73E.8060008@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Ah ... now that has caused me to think. A check on my Misc>Choices >shows that "Reference if over 200k" is ticked, which means that these >particular pictures will have been referenced automatically. > >Unticking that option solves the problem. Oops, sorry about that. As you will have seen I'd come to the same conclusion before your posting appeared. Does show where the bug lies. I suppose OP should have look for some sort of "up call" (RISC OS terminology - the Windows equivalent escapes me at the moment) and when the referenced file is changed automatically update the document contents. I think that is how it should work, but it would mean that there would be no need for dragging/dropping the picture into the document. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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(jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2006 19:52:07 -0000 Message-ID: <44DE31A3.3030003@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:53:07 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Replacing pictures in OPW References: <44DCBC76.5070203@ed.ac.uk> <44DD04E0.9000608@ed.ac.uk> <44DDE0A3.8040102@ed.ac.uk> <44DDE73E.8060008@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 610 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <44DDE73E.8060008@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Ah ... now that has caused me to think. A check on my Misc>Choices >> shows that "Reference if over 200k" is ticked, which means that these >> particular pictures will have been referenced automatically. >> >> Unticking that option solves the problem. Oops, sorry about that. > I suppose OP should have look for some sort of "up call" (RISC OS > terminology - the Windows equivalent escapes me at the moment) and when > the referenced file is changed automatically update the document contents. > > I think that is how it should work, but it would mean that there would > be no need for dragging/dropping the picture into the document. That would be useful. -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Aug 12 20:59:29 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GBzcN-02uVbs-04-DfM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:59:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GBzcN-02uVbs-04-DfM; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:57:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GBzcN-02uVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:57:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GBzcM-0004fY-PF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:57:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DF8B3BF4F4; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06414-04; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 784C93BF6C3; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:56:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C0EA73BF7B4 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02314-01-2 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5ED03BF754 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [80.229.166.59] (helo=dad.pressxpress.co.uk) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GBwNU-0004QH-Rv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:30:25 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Rotating referenced pictures in OPro To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Jeremy Brayshaw X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:30:08 +0100 Message-ID: <6d3852554e.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> References: <541130554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <50da35554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <50da35554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: PressXpress User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25S) (RISC-OS/4.03) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 611 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jeremy@brayshaw.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <50da35554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 12 Aug, David Pilling wrote: >> The solution is a program that can rotate (through 90 degrees) JPEGs >> without unpacking them - such free utilities do exist. Others may know >> better, but for RISC OS, the name JCut springs to mind. I always use Variations by Rob Davison. Just click on one button to rotate a JPEG through 90 deg, and another to rotate it's embedded thumbnail image. Many other things possible as well, of course, with this excellent prog! http://compo.iconbar.com/variation.htm Jeremy. -- Jeremy Brayshaw From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 13 17:25:15 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GC2NB-3d6Vbs-03-AuY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:25:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GC2NB-3d6Vbs-03-AuY; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:54:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GC2NB-3d6Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:54:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GC2NA-0002Ug-Io for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:54:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1C573BF6FA; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31009-04; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99B283BF38D; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:53:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B96EC3BF6FA for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30889-04 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 788BF3BF222 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GC2MS-0002pM-MT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:53:44 +0100 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:49:24 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Rotating referenced pictures in OPro Message-ID: <6ef174554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <541130554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <50da35554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6d3852554e.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6d3852554e.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 612 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 12 Aug, Jeremy Brayshaw wrote: > In message <50da35554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >=20 > > In message of 12 Aug, David Pilling wrote= : > >> The solution is a program that can rotate (through 90 degrees) JPEGs > >> without unpacking them - such free utilities do exist. Others may kn= ow > >> better, but for RISC OS, the name JCut springs to mind. >=20 > I always use Variations by Rob Davison. Just click on one button to=20 > rotate a JPEG through 90 deg, and another to rotate it's embedded=20 > thumbnail image. Many other things possible as well, of course, with=20 > this excellent prog! The objection to using Variations and JCut (which is not 32 bit unfortunately) is that if you want to retain the original camera file, you end up with a second file on your disc for every one that you rotate. The beauty of OPro is that you can, I have now found, rotate the file without making any copies or any alteration to your original file; I have yet to find any other program that can do that. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Aug 13 17:25:16 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GC2pN-46kVbs-08-ASM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 17:25:16 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GC2pN-46kVbs-08-ASM; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:23:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GC2pN-46kVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:23:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GC2pN-0007jT-G4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 23:23:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9601A3BF443; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01911-10; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 199BA3BF722; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:22:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 87FED3BF443 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01785-01 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51E5F3BF35B for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 19:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GC2od-0001pt-9b for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:22:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:22:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Rotating referenced pictures in OPro Message-ID: <4e5577f463chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <6ef174554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <541130554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <50da35554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <6d3852554e.SoftInfo@pressxpress.co.uk> <6ef174554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 613 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6ef174554e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > The objection to using Variations and JCut (which is not 32 bit > unfortunately) JCut is 32-bit compatible - it is a Basic program. You probably do not have the 32-bit jpegtran module, which is also required. This is certainly available, but the download site escapes me at the moment. I could certainly e-mail you a copy if you need it. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 16 13:24:28 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDKMR-38V000-01-GAS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:24:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDKMR-38V000-01-GAS; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:19:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDKMR-38V000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:19:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDKMR-0002D3-BH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:19:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62C143C4216; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06462-09; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 009863C41DC; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:18:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30CFC3C61D6 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05929-06 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.96]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id C0B553C61D0 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94362 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2006 12:18:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Organization:Reply-To:Message-ID:X-Mailer:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=YJE8/smEU2qYXN9f6I4NKcMzdbxUDYNN/yYsND9XFZcGa6ehtAh8Ry3HQpDtVYDsmAg9/8DUs0wfRQ9+I8UyN3Oc4AgmcsEFBwzT4Sxx51sIQS7k0xBaVU0gShkzbnc6mdA2hqYSXkLshY/PGdRIXWh1JrOxofWT0TiB30gpu+8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (paul?witheridge@82.13.134.51 with login) by smtp007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2006 12:18:17 -0000 From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Unexpected behaviour/bug manually deleting page in OVPW 2.90 (29 March 06) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:18:38 +0100 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0633-1, 15/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 614 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: paul_witheridge@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,HAS_ORGANIZATION,NO_REAL_NAME,USER_AGENT_FORTE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have sent an example of this problem directly to David, as an attachment in a separate e-mail, but I thought I should also post the information to this mailing-list. Note, I am not looking for advice on how better to organise my document, but am just attempting to describe a possible bug. I am using Ovation Pro for Windows to edit a small magazine. It contains three chapters: chapter 1 being the front cover; chapter 2, the inside pages and chapter 3, the back cover. I needed to update the inside page of the front cover. There are two local frames at the foot of this page, in addition to the default master page frame. The text I was editing was in the master page derived frame. I have auto-page-insert and auto-page-delete options turned off in the document preferences. The updates caused chapter 1 page 2 to overflow, pushing some text onto the "non-existent" next page (there was no visible indicator that this overflow had occurred). I manually inserted another page (chapter 1 page 3) after the inside front cover (chapter 1 page 2), making three pages in total for the chapter. The overflowing text was visible on this new page. I was then able to fiddle with the text so that it did fit on the second page of the chapter, leaving the third page empty. I next manually deleted the empty page 3. To my surprise, the two local frames, at the bottom of page 2, also vanished. I was able get around the problem by turning on auto-page-delete in the document preferences, placing the cursor in page 3 and pressing the "Backspace" key. This deleted page 3, but did not affect the two local frames at the foot of page 2. -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 16 14:24:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDLIE-3KPVbs-05-FEf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:24:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDLIE-3KPVbs-05-FEf; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:18:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDLIE-3KPVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:18:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDLI5-0007RK-N0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:18:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 396343C6E6F; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18818-01; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CA6E83C6C19; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:16:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B4E003C6DF6 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18574-06 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E578E3C6DBC for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GDLG9-000BAt-Iv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:16:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:15:21 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Unexpected behaviour/bug manually deleting page in OVPW 2.90 (29 March 06) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 615 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , paul_witheridge@yahoo.co.uk writes >I next manually deleted the empty page 3. To my surprise, the two >local frames, at the bottom of page 2, also vanished. I suspect I'm continuing my seminar on "how not to develop software" this afternoon... There's a long standing catch with Ovation, what is the current page? It is not the page with a selected frame on, or the page with the text caret in. Or as most users would like the page they happen to be thinking about 8-) Rather it is the page nearest the centre of the window, i.e. the page number shown in the info palette. Anyway when you use the delete page feature it can be tricky to know which page you are deleting. This is especially the case in facing page view (like your document). The delete page window does show you which page is being deleted. If I delete page 1.3 then things seem to work as I'd expect. If I delete page 1.2 then what you describe happens. I don't know, just an idea? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 16 14:34:33 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDLOz-2mEknw-04-F7u."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:34:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDLOz-2mEknw-04-F7u; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:25:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDLOz-2mEknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:25:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDLOz-0002U0-4m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:25:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E6DC3C6413; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20171-01; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF1893C4A28; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:24:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4D60C3C62F6 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19927-07 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id CC5C73C563F for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20397 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2006 13:24:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2006 13:24:59 -0000 Message-ID: <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:26:32 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Selecting thin lines in OPW documents Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 616 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Occasionally, I come across a problem with "thin" lines (default setting) in OPW. Having created a line, once deselected I am unable to select it again in order to modify it. In a recent document, I created a number of tables (within frames) on the same page with (in each case) the header separated from the body of the table by a thin line. I am able to select some of the thin lines, but there is one I can't select. How can I remove this from the document? Manually edit the DDL file? If so, what should I looking for in the DDL? I seem to recall having the same problem in the past in OP (RiscOS). -- C.B. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 16 14:44:32 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDLas-0T2GPo-07-Ew1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:44:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDLas-0T2GPo-07-Ew1; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:38:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDLas-0T2GPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:38:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDLas-0000hS-64 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:38:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 695F03C0C16; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22521-03; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0505A3C11B3; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:36:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C7513C0C16 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22383-04 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 295BD3C0930 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GDLa7-0005vw-KA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:37:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:37:12 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Unexpected behaviour/bug manually deleting page in OVPW 2.90 (29 March 06) Message-ID: <4e5751bb4fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 617 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > There's a long standing catch with Ovation, what is the > current page? . . . as most users would like the page they > happen to be thinking about 8-) Telepathy applet, anyone? From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 16 15:14:37 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDM7C-19qVbs-06-EPh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:14:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDM7C-19qVbs-06-EPh; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:11:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDM7C-19qVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:11:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDM7B-0002VO-CA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:11:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0E3D3C5235; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30138-05; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6DD93C4FA9; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:10:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 133C93C4605 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29985-04 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83FE33C4417 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GDM6O-000Ou9-89 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:10:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:09:30 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Selecting thin lines in OPW documents References: <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 618 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Occasionally, I come across a problem with "thin" lines (default >setting) in OPW. Having created a line, once deselected I am unable to >select it again in Use the other ways of selecting stuff... You can ctrl+shift+left drag a box and everything contained in that box is selected. Or you can select all and manually unselect everything but the line by ctrl + left clicking. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 16 16:34:38 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDNKP-4T7000-05-DCU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:34:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDNKP-4T7000-05-DCU; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:29:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDNKP-4T7000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:29:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDNKP-0000Jv-Gx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:29:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9565E3C5427; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14555-10; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3C1C23C4815; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:28:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FF5A3C3269 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05914-03 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.95]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id F1D9A3C2E69 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 77121 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2006 14:49:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (paul?witheridge@82.13.134.51 with login) by smtp006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2006 14:49:29 -0000 From: Paul Witheridge To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Unexpected behaviour/bug manually deleting page in OVPW 2.90 (29 March 06) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:49:50 +0100 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: References: <4e5751bb4fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e5751bb4fmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0633-1, 15/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 619 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: paul@witheridge.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_FORTE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:37:12 +0100, you wrote: >> There's a long standing catch with Ovation, what is the >> current page? . . . as most users would like the page they >> happen to be thinking about 8-) > >Telepathy applet, anyone? Yes please. When will it be available? That damned "what is the current page?" has caught me out more times than I like to remember. -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 16 18:04:42 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDOjp-4Qv000-01-Bn4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:04:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDOjp-4Qv000-01-Bn4; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:59:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDOjp-4Qv000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:59:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDOjn-0001fb-Ub for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:59:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9627D3C64C5; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01429-01; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 395263C627E; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:58:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77F293C5265 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01157-07 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C2533C510D for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 12:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GDOj3-000Alu-GS for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:58:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:58:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Unexpected behaviour/bug manually deleting page in OVPW 2.90 (29 March 06) Message-ID: <4e57642cb2mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 620 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > There's a long standing catch with Ovation, what is the > current page? . . . it is the page nearest the centre of the > window, i.e. the page number shown in the info palette. But the current /chapter/ seems to be the one displayed at the very top of the window (in Ovation Pro for RISC OS, at least) which seems inconsisient with the current page being that displayed in the middle of the window. I've just had to delete a chapter in the document I'm working on, which is something I don't do very often and has always seemed unpredictable. Having read this thread today, I thought selecting Page > Delete chapter would delete the chapter containing the current page, i.e. chapter x, where the current page number shown in the info pane is x.y. With the greater part of the window showing the first page of chapter 3, the middle of the window is in page 3.1 so that is the current page number shown in the info pane. Yet if any part of the last page of chapter 2 is shown at the top of the page, including even the thick grey line separating that from page 3.1, it is chapter 2 which is offered for deletion. Not a major problem, but in an ideal world I'd have thought the current page and current chapter would be those containing the caret. Admittedly this would mean that the currrent page wouldn't always be visible, but a single press of an arrow key will always bring the caret into view in whichever window has input focus. Peter Newble. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 16 18:34:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDP8d-2XVVbs-07-BOG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:34:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDP8d-2XVVbs-07-BOG; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:25:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDP8d-2XVVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:25:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDP8d-0000Q2-CX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:25:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8AE5D3C4C29; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06464-02; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 289B73C58BB; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:24:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1524E3C4C29 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06343-02 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1CA753C46DA for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GDP7u-000MOQ-1M for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:24:22 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:23:07 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Unexpected behaviour/bug manually deleting page in OVPW 2.90 (29 March 06) References: <4e57642cb2mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e57642cb2mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 621 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e57642cb2mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk>, Peter Newble writes >the top of the page, including even the thick grey line >separating that from page 3.1, it is chapter 2 which is offered >for deletion. You're quite right, I never knew that. It seems that for delete chapter it is the first chapter in the window which is used. >Not a major problem, but in an ideal world I'd have thought the >current page and current chapter would be those containing the >caret. What if there is no caret/selection? As I said, it is not good that this trap has been allowed to go on for years. Doesn't do the software any good. However the program does show you which chapter or page it is about to clobber in the relevant confirmation dialogue. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 16 19:54:48 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDQSU-02xVbs-08-A4P."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:54:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDQSU-02xVbs-08-A4P; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:49:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDQSU-02xVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:49:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDQSQ-0007kP-HF for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:49:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E49A3C3A9F; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22809-08; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C02E43C3C91; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:47:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 477CB3C71C7 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22258-01 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [194.93.128.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA4EB3C719C for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 14:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ionyx. (dsl213-218-226-220.as15444.net [213.218.226.220]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.7/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k7GIlrhw013801 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:47:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:28:33 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Unexpected behaviour/bug manually deleting page in OVPW 2.90 (29 March 06) Message-ID: <4e5766e996john@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e57642cb2mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> References: <4e57642cb2mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.026, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.03) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 622 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > There's a long standing catch with Ovation, what is the current page? It is not unique to Ovation. I have met similar things elsewhere. The best advice is always to check the values shown in the dialogue before hitting the final delete. Paranoia is your friend ;-) John -- John Harrison - http://www.jaharrison.me.uk Using a British Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 16 20:44:50 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDRHG-0PaVbs-02-9Fd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:44:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDRHG-0PaVbs-02-9Fd; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:42:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDRHG-0PaVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:42:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDRHF-00000B-HP for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:42:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93AA83C6641; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32633-03; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D0693C6068; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:41:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 038BC3C6641 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32457-04 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C6F53C5B16 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GDRGW-000HLz-Ix for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 19:41:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:41:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Unexpected behaviour/bug manually deleting page in OVPW 2.90 (29 March 06) Message-ID: <4e577312bemailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4e57642cb2mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 623 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > You're quite right, I never knew that. It seems that for > delete chapter it is the first chapter in the window which is > used. > In message <4e57642cb2mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk>, > Peter Newble writes > >Not a major problem, but in an ideal world I'd have thought > >the current page and current chapter would be those > >containing the caret. > What if there is no caret/selection? Good point. Since caret, text selection and object selection (including frames) are mutually exclusive, and limited to one page, it should be whichever of them is active. If none is active, the writable icons in the 'Page > Insert page' and 'Page > Delete page' boxes could be left blank to be filled-in by the user. Again, 'Page > Delete chapter' is inconsistent in this respect, in that it asks you whether to discard or cancel deleting a specific chapter, rather than giving writable icons for first and last chapters as does 'Page > Delete page'. Other actions which might usefully operate on the current page if one is active, but currently don't -- e.g. the 'Print sheet' sub-dialogue of 'File > Print' -- could default either to the last page used, as at present, or to the first page in the document. > However the program does show you which chapter or page it is > about to clobber in the relevant confirmation dialogue. True. The problems for me is that, while I'm vaguely aware of which folio (page number) I'm working on -- as it is often displayed on the page, and at least some of the time I'm viewing that part of the page -- chapter numbers are more elusive. In a technical document the pages might be numbered x.y (x=3Dchapter, y=3Dpage), but for me each section which needs to start on a right-hand page will usually be a new chapter, with continuous page numbering, e.g. 1. Front cover (folio not displayed) Prelims (pages numbered in roman numerals consecutively from i): 2. Half-title (folio not displayed) 3. Title page (folio not displayed) 4. Dedication 5. Acknowledgements 6. Contents 7. Foreword 8. Introduction Body (pages numbered in arabic numerals consecutively from 1): 9. Chapter 1 10. Chapter 2 11. Chapter 3 . . . n+8. Chapter n n+9. Colophon (folio not displayed) n+11. Inside and outside back cover (folio not displayed) In this (extreme) case Chapter 1 of the printed book would be chapter 9 of the Ovation Pro document, or perhaps chapter 8 if the cover is being printed separately therefore is in a separate document. Thus when Ovation Po asks whether I really want to delete chapter x the answer might not be immediately obvious, whereas if I were to place the caret on a page it would be logical and intuitive to delete the chapter containing the caret. Of course, my attention having now been drawn to the fact that the info pane shows the chapter number of the middle of the window, this is now less of a problem -- but more of a problem that 'Page > Delete chapter' doesn't follow the same rule! As to my other point about the arrow keys returning the window view to the caret (if there is one), I find there are many occasions where (RISC OS) Ovation Pro windows becomes corrupted, either when background font blending goes wrong, or (more often) when parts of a previous text selection are left inverted after the selection is cleared. I therefore use F2, the otherwise-redundant RISC OS 'Load document' key shortcut, for the macro '{viewrepaint(0,0)}' which forces the window to refresh. Something like this could be used also to move the viewport to the current caret/selection. Peter Newble. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 16 21:04:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDRc8-3L9Vbs-01-8ul."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:04:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDRc8-3L9Vbs-01-8ul; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:03:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDRc8-3L9Vbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:03:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDRc7-00026e-Oh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:03:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A87743C5CA7; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04392-04; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 447A83C6AE1; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:02:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B55AA3C5CA7 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04318-03 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 81C293C602C for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GDRbO-0006TK-CI for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:02:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:01:52 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Unexpected behaviour/bug manually deleting page in OVPW 2.90 (29 March 06) References: <4e57642cb2mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4e577312bemailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e577312bemailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 624 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e577312bemailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk>, Peter Newble writes >Good point. Since caret, text selection and object selection >(including frames) are mutually exclusive, and limited to one >page Text selection is not limited to one page - however the caret is always at one end of the text selection. I suppose one might wonder where a paste operation goes to. >Other actions which might usefully operate on the current page if >one is active, but currently don't -- e.g. the 'Print sheet' Print current page would be popular. >As to my other point about the arrow keys returning the window >view to the caret (if there is one), I find there are many >occasions where (RISC OS) Ovation Pro windows becomes corrupted, >either when background font blending goes wrong, or (more often) >when parts of a previous text selection are left inverted after >the selection is cleared. More on how not to do the job. > I therefore use F2, the >otherwise-redundant RISC OS 'Load document' key shortcut, for the >macro '{viewrepaint(0,0)}' which forces the window to refresh. >Something like this could be used also to move the viewport to >the current caret/selection. A feature I found when doing the Windows version is Ctrl Shift X - "Return to caret". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 16 21:24:57 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDRri-1yAVbs-02-8fB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:24:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDRri-1yAVbs-02-8fB; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:19:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDRri-1yAVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:19:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDRrg-0000Zv-So for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:19:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 661433C44EF; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07308-04; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE18C3C402B; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:18:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 186333C6C8A for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06843-04 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 5FE403C5F46 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 73245 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2006 20:18:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2006 20:18:25 -0000 Message-ID: <44E37E81.4010002@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:22:25 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Selecting thin lines in OPW documents References: <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 625 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Occasionally, I come across a problem with "thin" lines (default >> setting) in OPW. Having created a line, once deselected I am unable to >> select it again in > > Use the other ways of selecting stuff... > > You can ctrl+shift+left drag a box and everything contained in that box > is selected. > > Or you can select all and manually unselect everything but the line by > ctrl + left clicking. Good thinking ... thanks. -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Aug 16 21:44:53 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDSCE-4d8Vbs-06-GrB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:44:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDSCE-4d8Vbs-06-GrB; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:41:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDSCE-4d8Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:41:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDSCD-0004eL-TY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:41:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 02CD03C6B8F; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11493-05; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 940693C6B07; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:39:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C4D23C6C5D for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11313-05 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2733E3C60D1 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 16:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GDSBT-000GDM-Bk for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:40:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:40:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Unexpected behaviour/bug manually deleting page in OVPW 2.90 (29 March 06) Message-ID: <4e5778761dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4e57642cb2mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4e577312bemailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 626 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4e577312bemailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk>, > Peter Newble writes > >Good point. Since caret, text selection and object selection > >(including frames) are mutually exclusive, and limited to one > >page > Text selection is not limited to one page Ah, no, good point. > however the caret is always at one end of the text selection. Yes, but which end depends how you made the selection -- using either click-and-drag or shift-arrow keys it's at the point at which you initiated the selection; if you select a word, line or buffer using multiple clicks it's always at the start of the selection. In both cases the caret position seems logical, so would be an appropriate choice for current page. > >Other actions which might usefully operate on the current > >page if one is active, but currently don't -- e.g. the 'Print > >sheet' > Print current page would be popular. Yes, I often wish a 'Print sheet' sub-dialogue were available in all imposition modes. I seem to remember you extended 'Printers pairs' mode to include this when I commented that it was available for 'Pamphlet' mode but not for the similar-but-more-useful 'Printers pairs' mode. But a 'Print current sheet' button would be easier to put into practice, printing the current page when in 'Normal' mode, or the sheet containing the current page when in 'Pamphlet', 'Printers pairs', 'Galley', 'Booklet' modes, etc. > A feature I found when doing the Windows version is Ctrl Shift > X - "Return to caret". Pity there's no command in the RISC OS version which would enable this -- I can't find anything in the script language manual. Peter Newble. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 17 11:25:28 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDSux-1s3GPo-04-G8S."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:25:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDSux-1s3GPo-04-G8S; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:27:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDSux-1s3GPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:27:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDSux-0004dT-2o for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:27:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F3F73C52FC; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21491-04; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C7A803C280F; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:26:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 850213C52FC for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21355-07 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-07.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.27]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BB7C3C3E09 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.111) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.073) id 44979736004475B4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:26:30 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Selecting thin lines in OPW documents To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:28:21 +0200 Message-ID: References: <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 627 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > Occasionally, I come across a problem with "thin" lines (default > setting) in OPW. Having created a line, once deselected I am unable to > select it again in order to modify it. In a recent document, I created a > number of tables (within frames) on the same page with (in each case) > the header separated from the body of the table by a thin line. I am > able to select some of the thin lines, but there is one I can't select. > How can I remove this from the document? Manually edit the DDL file? If > so, what should I looking for in the DDL? > > I seem to recall having the same problem in the past in OP (RiscOS). Use Zoom to magnify (Ctrl-Alt-Select) once or twice. Makes the line "thicker" for selecting. The same with Adjust lets you zoom back. -- Greetings, JohnvV From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 17 11:25:28 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDT7r-2I4GPo-08-FvY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:25:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDT7r-2I4GPo-08-FvY; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:40:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDT7r-2I4GPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:40:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDT7q-000457-Q5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:40:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF7A03C575B; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24142-02; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 917613C63F7; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:39:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 408B83C63D9 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24035-01 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id C98FC3C5AD9 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 94886 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2006 21:39:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 2006 21:39:49 -0000 Message-ID: <44E391B2.4050500@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:44:18 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Selecting thin lines in OPW documents References: <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 628 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > In message <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> Occasionally, I come across a problem with "thin" lines (default >> setting) in OPW. Having created a line, once deselected I am unable to >> select it again in order to modify it. > > Use Zoom to magnify (Ctrl-Alt-Select) once or twice. Makes the line > "thicker" for selecting. The same with Adjust lets you zoom back. First thing I tried ... didn't work, even at maximum magnification. But DP's suggestion to "select all" did the trick. Thanks all the same. -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 17 11:25:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDU6Q-39kknw-05-Ewz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:25:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDU6Q-39kknw-05-Ewz; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:43:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDU6Q-39kknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:43:10 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDU6L-0004bU-7t for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:43:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D46783C5756; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04406-01; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EB363C5CAA; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:41:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D18AE3C5380 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04018-02 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A0E63C5F1C for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1GDU5U-0003EX-Ka for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:42:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:41:54 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Selecting thin lines in OPW documents Message-ID: <4e578399dfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <44E391B2.4050500@ed.ac.uk> References: <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> <44E391B2.4050500@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 629 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <44E391B2.4050500@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall wrote: > JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > In message <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> > > Clive Bonsall wrote: > > > >> Occasionally, I come across a problem with "thin" lines (default > >> setting) in OPW. Having created a line, once deselected I am > >> unable to select it again in order to modify it. > > > > Use Zoom to magnify (Ctrl-Alt-Select) once or twice. Makes the > > line "thicker" for selecting. The same with Adjust lets you zoom > > back. > First thing I tried ... didn't work, even at maximum magnification. > But DP's suggestion to "select all" did the trick. Thanks all the > same. The most obvious thing to do is to set the default line thickness to say 0.25 pt. Then it becomes easier to select. There has been a lot of discussion over the years in various maillists and newsgroups about the problems that sometimes ensue when printing 'thin' lines on high resolution devices. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 17 11:25:45 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDc1G-4Fmknw-05-FYf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:25:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDc1G-4Fmknw-05-FYf; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 07:10:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDc1G-4Fmknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 07:10:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDc1G-0005HP-HY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 07:10:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91CCC3C59E2; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14509-09; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 385513C5939; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:09:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E13D3C59E2 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14409-03 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 21C7B3C5742 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 36799 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2006 07:09:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2006 07:09:32 -0000 Message-ID: <44E41631.3090603@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:09:37 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Selecting thin lines in OPW documents References: <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> <44E391B2.4050500@ed.ac.uk> <4e578399dfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4e578399dfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 630 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <44E391B2.4050500@ed.ac.uk>, > Clive Bonsall wrote: >> JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: >>> In message <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> >>> Clive Bonsall wrote: >>> >>>> Occasionally, I come across a problem with "thin" lines (default >>>> setting) in OPW. Having created a line, once deselected I am >>>> unable to select it again in order to modify it. > > The most obvious thing to do is to set the default line thickness to > say 0.25 pt. Then it becomes easier to select. > > There has been a lot of discussion over the years in various > maillists and newsgroups about the problems that sometimes ensue when > printing 'thin' lines on high resolution devices. Do you have more details on this? When I started my current DTP project using OPW, I was inclined to go for a line width (in tables especially) of 0.25pt. However, when the documents were converted to PDF using Acrobat Distiller, the lines appeared (to my eye) "too thick". So I now use the thin line setting. Perhaps choosing an intermediate line thickness (i.e. between "thin" and 0.25pt) might be the answer. -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 17 11:25:46 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDdGl-0sDknw-02-EJA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:25:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDdGl-0sDknw-02-EJA; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:30:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDdGl-0sDknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:30:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDdGl-0001WW-HC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:30:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 776523C684C; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29119-01; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 799EC3C672E; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:29:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 933513C69A8 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28883-01 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (A.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B3373C6A53 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 47.82.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.82.47] helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDdFz-0005W7-GM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:29:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:29:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Unexpected behaviour/bug manually deleting page in OVPW 2.90 (29 March 06) Message-ID: <4e57b96170gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e5778761dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> References: <4e57642cb2mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4e577312bemailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4e5778761dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 631 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4e5778761dmailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk>, Peter Newble wrote: > > A feature I found when doing the Windows version is Ctrl Shift > > X - "Return to caret". > Pity there's no command in the RISC OS version which would enable > this -- I can't find anything in the script language manual. How about this: defmacro(1,"CS_X","{int c; c=bmcreate(\"c\"); setbmtocaret(c); bmview(c); bmdelete(c);}",""); This should all be on one line. Either add it by hand to your Macros file, or type the following into the Macros window. {int c; c=bmcreate("c"); setbmtocaret(c); bmview(c); bmdelete(c);} -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 17 11:25:46 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDdQg-3Phknw-06-E9F."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:25:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDdQg-3Phknw-06-E9F; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:40:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDdQg-3Phknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:40:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDdQf-0000OE-Vj for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:40:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F30373C6794; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31064-02; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B5FBC3C6A9C; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:39:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BD2C3C6750 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30947-08 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (A.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 223B83C40F9 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 04:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 47.82.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.82.47] helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDdPv-00067h-V6 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:39:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:38:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Unexpected behaviour/bug manually deleting page in OVPW 2.90 (29 March 06) Message-ID: <4e57ba418bgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4e57642cb2mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4e577312bemailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 632 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > In message <4e577312bemailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk>, Peter Newble > writes > >Good point. Since caret, text selection and object selection > >(including frames) are mutually exclusive, and limited to one > >page > Text selection is not limited to one page - however the caret is always > at one end of the text selection. (Untested) But surely the caret could be moved away from the end of the selection using the bookmark functions? -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 17 11:45:24 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDfIU-1mwGPo-02-CHR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:45:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDfIU-1mwGPo-02-CHR; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:40:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDfIU-1mwGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:40:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDfIT-0004WH-Uh for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:40:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F03323C6748; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22096-02; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BED4B3C622D; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:39:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27ADB3C5FBB for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21767-09 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E40013C4B00 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GDfHj-0006ln-Ev for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:39:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:38:09 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Selecting thin lines in OPW documents References: <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> <44E391B2.4050500@ed.ac.uk> <4e578399dfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <44E41631.3090603@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44E41631.3090603@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 633 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <44E41631.3090603@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Do you have more details on this? When I started my current DTP >project using OPW, I was inclined to go for a line width (in tables >especially) of 0.25pt. However, when the documents were converted to >PDF using Acrobat A "thin line" is a line of zero width. Zero width is supposed to be understood as a special value and rendered as one pixel wide. Which is not so bad on screen at 90 dpi, but is likely to be invisible at 2400 dpi or whatever your printer does. This also means you can't rely on the width being the same for layout purposes. The applet "prepress" will tell you if your document has any zero width lines in (so you can remove them before printing). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 17 13:35:30 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDh5k-1U2GPo-07-AUB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:35:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDh5k-1U2GPo-07-AUB; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:35:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDh5k-1U2GPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:35:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDh5k-0002jx-DW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:35:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A3633C76E5; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13688-05; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 145023C753B; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:34:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6E863C76E5 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13548-01 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 65CFC3C76F6 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 467 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2006 12:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2006 12:34:35 -0000 Message-ID: <44E46291.1070602@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:35:29 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Selecting thin lines in OPW documents References: <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> <44E391B2.4050500@ed.ac.uk> <4e578399dfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <44E41631.3090603@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 634 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <44E41631.3090603@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Do you have more details on this? When I started my current DTP >> project using OPW, I was inclined to go for a line width (in tables >> especially) of 0.25pt. However, when the documents were converted to >> PDF using Acrobat > > A "thin line" is a line of zero width. Really? I must admit I hadn't interpreted the description of "thin" on page 117 of the manual in quite those stark terms. Who was it who requested a telepathy applet? Put me down for a dozen ;) > Zero width is supposed to be understood as a special value and rendered > as one pixel wide. Which is not so bad on screen at 90 dpi, but is > likely to be invisible at 2400 dpi or whatever your printer does. > > This also means you can't rely on the width being the same for layout > purposes. That's very useful to know. Then, presumably, I could experiment with various different resolution settings in Acrobat Distiller to see the effect on "line width" and determine the optimum line width for the final copy. > The applet "prepress" will tell you if your document has any zero width > lines in (so you can remove them before printing). Also useful to know ... but in this case I know exactly how many thin lines there are. Too many! Many thanks. -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 17 14:05:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDhT5-4Hlknw-02-A6q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:05:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDhT5-4Hlknw-02-A6q; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:59:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDhT5-4Hlknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:59:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDhT4-00001V-5i for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:59:27 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8075A3C5884; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18672-01-5; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D1043C70D0; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:58:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75AEE3C56FA for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18354-07 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EF2F3C6849 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GDhSJ-000Ndv-1W for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:58:39 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:57:14 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Selecting thin lines in OPW documents References: <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> <44E391B2.4050500@ed.ac.uk> <4e578399dfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <44E41631.3090603@ed.ac.uk> <44E46291.1070602@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44E46291.1070602@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 635 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <44E46291.1070602@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >> A "thin line" is a line of zero width. >Really? I must admit I hadn't interpreted the description of "thin" on >page 117 of the manual in quite those stark terms. This zero width convention is not Ovation specific, it is part of RISC OS (e.g. Draw), and I suspect the writers of RISC OS followed it from PostScript. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 17 14:55:38 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDiEA-17AGPo-03-9Ll."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:55:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDiEA-17AGPo-03-9Ll; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:48:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDiEA-17AGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:48:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDiE9-0006Re-Go for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:48:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 809213C7767; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29305-03; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AAAD3C7795; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:47:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 104C33C7779 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29085-03-5 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A2EE3C773C for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [88.134.42.202] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1GDiDP0pjY-0004fj; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:47:19 +0200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Selecting thin lines in OPW documents To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:48:23 +0200 Message-ID: <5e97d6574e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> <44E391B2.4050500@ed.ac.uk> <4e578399dfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <44E41631.3090603@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44E41631.3090603@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 636 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <44E41631.3090603@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > Chris Johnson wrote: > >> There has been a lot of discussion over the years in various >> maillists and newsgroups about the problems that sometimes ensue when >> printing 'thin' lines on high resolution devices. > > Do you have more details on this? When I started my current DTP project > using OPW, I was inclined to go for a line width (in tables especially) > of 0.25pt. However, when the documents were converted to PDF using > Acrobat Distiller, the lines appeared (to my eye) "too thick". What happens when you print the resulting PDF or zoom in when viewing it? 0.25pt is pretty thin, but at low magnifications it is likely to appear thicker on screen compared to other content because its width covers a lot less than one pixel, yet without anti-aliasing a width of one pixel is the thinnest that can be shown. If you zoom in, the accuracy of the displayed width will improve a lot. Printing has the same effect due to the higher resolution used. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 17 16:25:38 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDjkG-19Vknw-03-GMB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:25:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDjkG-19Vknw-03-GMB; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:25:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDjkG-19Vknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:25:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDjkC-0006i0-Ed for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:25:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0753F3C7246; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19376-02; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 461AB3C7204; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:24:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 118383C7246 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18977-02 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6FFA3C72A5 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GDjil-0007he-3M for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:23:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:22:07 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Unexpected behaviour/bug manually deleting page in OVPW 2.90 (29 March 06) References: <4e57642cb2mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> <4e577312bemailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 637 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , David Pilling writes >More on how not to do the job. >A feature I found when doing the Windows version is Ctrl Shift X - >"Return to caret". To put it mildly, oops. Don't use this feature, although it appears to work, what it does (and it does the same on RISC OS) is to mark the word at the caret for indexing. That is Ovation's built in indexing which is not implemented. I've no idea what I must have been thinking about. My recollection is finding the function in the documentation of the RISC OS version of Ovation and at most assigning it to a new key on Windows. I will tidy this up. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 17 19:15:47 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDmFn-2oTGPo-08-Dqe."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:15:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDmFn-2oTGPo-08-Dqe; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:06:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDmFn-2oTGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:06:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDmFj-0001eN-Dc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:06:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 654A73C7AF9; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24909-03; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECD6D3C7AD4; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:04:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45CD33C7873 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24401-10 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id D6F5A3C781A for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 42556 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2006 18:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2006 18:05:09 -0000 Message-ID: <44E4AFFC.5040300@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:05:48 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Selecting thin lines in OPW documents References: <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> <44E391B2.4050500@ed.ac.uk> <4e578399dfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <44E41631.3090603@ed.ac.uk> <5e97d6574e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <5e97d6574e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 638 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <44E41631.3090603@ed.ac.uk> > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> Chris Johnson wrote: >> >>> There has been a lot of discussion over the years in various >>> maillists and newsgroups about the problems that sometimes ensue when >>> printing 'thin' lines on high resolution devices. >> Do you have more details on this? When I started my current DTP project >> using OPW, I was inclined to go for a line width (in tables especially) >> of 0.25pt. However, when the documents were converted to PDF using >> Acrobat Distiller, the lines appeared (to my eye) "too thick". > > What happens when you print the resulting PDF or zoom in when viewing > it? 0.25pt is pretty thin, but at low magnifications it is likely to > appear thicker on screen compared to other content because its width > covers a lot less than one pixel, yet without anti-aliasing a width of > one pixel is the thinnest that can be shown. If you zoom in, the > accuracy of the displayed width will improve a lot. Printing has the > same effect due to the higher resolution used. > Martin Sorry, I meant 0.25mm ... What you and DP have described is observable using Acrobat Distiller and my HP LJ1220 printer. I created a single-page test document in OPW with lines of varying thickness, ranging from Thin to 0.5mm in increments of 0.05mm. I then printed the document to AD (resolution set to 600 dpi) and again with resolution 2400 dpi. Looking at the two PDFs side by side on screen (Dell 20" LCD, 1600x1200 32-bit mode), I could detect no difference in thickness between corresponding lines, not at 100% nor 400% magnification. "Thin" appeared just as thick on screen in the 2400dpi PDF as in the 600dpi PDF. However, when the OPW documents and PDFs were printed on standard paper on the LJ1220, there was a noticeable difference between 600dpi and 1200 dpi printer settings. All lines appeared thinner and fainter at 1200 dpi, but especially the "thin" line. So I can well appreciate that at 2400 dpi (if I had a printer capable of that) a "thin" line might be all but invisible. Judging from these results, I'd guess that a line thickness setting of 0.25mm would give acceptable results at 2400dpi. I'm grateful to you and DP for taking the trouble to explain. -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 17 19:45:47 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDmlM-2qlknw-05-DL5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:45:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDmlM-2qlknw-05-DL5; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:38:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDmlM-2qlknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:38:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDmlM-00018g-Ei for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:38:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56A963C7BD7; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31424-03; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC53E3C7B81; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:37:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F279E3C7CDC for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31123-08 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 8274D3C7C9F for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 67350 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2006 18:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2006 18:37:55 -0000 Message-ID: <44E4B7B5.7080708@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:38:45 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Printing OPW and PDF files containing 1bpp TIFFs (sprites) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 639 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Recently I have created a number of OPW documents containing text and simple B&W pictures. The original line art was scanned at 1200dpi, edited in Adobe Photoshop CS2 (mainly using the eraser tool), then saved as 1200dpi TIFFs, which were then dropped into frames in the OPW documents. The results looked very good ON SCREEN within OPW and after printing to Acrobat Distiller with resolution set to 1200dpi. The documents looked equally good when PRINTED onto paper from OPW using a HP LJ1220. However, when I printed the same document to paper from the PDF file, the WHITE areas of the pictures appeared as a faint banded grey tone ... as tho' someone had shaded over the white background of the picture very lightly with a stick of charcoal in a horizontal motion. Can anyone explain why the white areas of the pictures are no longer WHITE in the PDF files? Is it related to OPW, Acrobat Distiller, Photoshop, the TIFF format, or what? -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Aug 17 22:05:55 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDouk-3k1knw-04-BBh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:05:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDouk-3k1knw-04-BBh; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:56:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDouk-3k1knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:56:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDouj-0004WA-AN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:56:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 38C623C6BC6; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30548-02; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C4A23C6BEC; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:55:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E40893C6C2F for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30279-08 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from guri.is.scarlet.be (guri.is.scarlet.be [193.74.71.22]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77EFA3C6459 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from (ip-81-11-180-120.dsl.scarlet.be [81.11.180.120]) by guri.is.scarlet.be with ESMTP id k7HKtfF26373 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:55:41 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:56:27 +0200 From: John Tytgat To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Selecting thin lines in OPW documents Message-ID: <13c8fd574e.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> References: <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> <44E391B2.4050500@ed.ac.uk> <4e578399dfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <44E41631.3090603@ed.ac.uk> <44E46291.1070602@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44E46291.1070602@ed.ac.uk> X-Organization: BASS User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: guri 2020; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 640 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: John.Tytgat@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <44E46291.1070602@ed.ac.uk> you wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > Zero width is supposed to be understood as a special value and rendered > > as one pixel wide. Which is not so bad on screen at 90 dpi, but is > > likely to be invisible at 2400 dpi or whatever your printer does. > > > > This also means you can't rely on the width being the same for layout > > purposes. > > That's very useful to know. Then, presumably, I could experiment with > various different resolution settings in Acrobat Distiller to see the > effect on "line width" and determine the optimum line width for the > final copy. That won't work. The resolution setting in Distiller has for 99.9% of real live PostScript file no influence on the output PDF file. This value sets the resolution of the PostScript interpreter inside Distiller program but as the output is PDF, a vector format, objects line stroked and filled paths are kepts as vector objects and you will end up with a zero width line in PDF. One of the only cases where resolution option in Distiller makes a difference are PostScript files which query that resolution value in order to decide the number and size of objects they are going to create (remember PostScript is a language and can be used to really program such things). Typically for e.g. the number of bands used in gradients for pre-PostScript 3 printers. But even then, any PostScript 3 Adobe kernel (like Distiller is using) contains IdiomSets detecting this kind of resolution depending object generation code for several known DTP applications and that gets translated into real PostScript 3 gradients, so called smooth shadings. Another case where resolution setting makes the difference are EPS files which are teststrip placed beside the job to test the RIP or to know which settings (screen, resolution, etc) were used. Good advice : never use zero linewidth strokes on purpose and use tools to detect & correct such things as soon as possible. John. -- John Tytgat, in his comfy chair at home BASS John.Tytgat@aaug.net ARM powered, RISC OS driven From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 18 11:25:46 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDpwA-1YiVbs-03-AAH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:25:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDpwA-1YiVbs-03-AAH; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:02:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDpwA-1YiVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:02:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDpwA-0005ef-Ep for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:02:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 52CB23C7FFE; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12889-06; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63B413C7EE1; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:01:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A555F3C800C for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12785-01 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 564523C8014 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GDpvS-0007XV-Ai for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:01:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:59:58 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing OPW and PDF files containing 1bpp TIFFs (sprites) References: <44E4B7B5.7080708@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44E4B7B5.7080708@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 641 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <44E4B7B5.7080708@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >However, when I printed the same document to paper from the PDF file, >the WHITE areas of the pictures appeared as a faint banded grey tone >... as tho' someone had shaded over the white background of the picture >very lightly with a stick of charcoal in a horizontal motion. First thing that springs to mind - screening. When you're printing to Distiller you're printing to a PostScript printer. The key thing then is if "Direct PostScript" is selected in OPW Print choices. If it is, then OPW generates the PostScript, this is good because it can handle things like masked (transparent) images which Windows can't. But it can also add screening and it is up to you to take responsibility for setting this to what you want. So in OPW, Print, tick Print Setup, Separations, Screen, untick PostScript screen, try again. Or quick test, deselect Direct PostScript and print again. I'm assuming you are driving your Laser Jet via PCL and not via PostScript which is often an option. (quite a useful option if the final product is going to be rendered as PostScript) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 18 11:25:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GDzzT-2iX000-02-8dU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:25:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GDzzT-2iX000-02-8dU; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:46:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GDzzT-2iX000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:46:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GDzzS-0002Hv-GV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:46:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2035C3C7C58; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26533-01; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51C713C7CE3; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:45:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF14D3C743F for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26328-03-5 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 529B63C7BC2 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38264 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2006 08:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2006 08:45:19 -0000 Message-ID: <44E57E49.1090009@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:46:01 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing OPW and PDF files containing 1bpp TIFFs (sprites) References: <44E4B7B5.7080708@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 642 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <44E4B7B5.7080708@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> However, when I printed the same document to paper from the PDF file, >> the WHITE areas of the pictures appeared as a faint banded grey tone >> ... as tho' someone had shaded over the white background of the >> picture very lightly with a stick of charcoal in a horizontal motion. > > First thing that springs to mind - screening. When you're printing to > Distiller you're printing to a PostScript printer. > > The key thing then is if "Direct PostScript" is selected in OPW Print > choices. It wasn't selected. > I'm assuming you are driving your Laser Jet via PCL and not via > PostScript which is often an option. via the PCL6 driver. After much playing around, I think I've narrowed it down to the HP printer driver settings. I normally drive the printer via PCL, using FastRes 1200 with HP MEt selected for complex graphics (whatever all that means). Switching from FastRes 1200 to ProRes 1200 (141 lpi) (with the same graphics setting) gets rid of the charcoal stick effect in the white areas of pictures. However, a thin line (aaaarrrgh ...!) then appears in the printout along the bottom and right-hand edges of certain pictures. On the other hand, if I drive the printer using the HPlj 1200ps driver, then (when printing from the PDF file) neither the "charcoal stick" nor the "thin lines along picture edges" effects are visible ... so far, anyway. The reason I was concerned about all this in the first place is that, eventually, I have to send my OPW documents to a publisher/printer as a series of PDF files, and obviously don't want the quality of the pictures to be compromised by the kinds of effects visible in some of the HP lj1220 print-outs. -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 18 11:25:55 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GE09k-1lsVbs-05-Gzj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:25:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GE09k-1lsVbs-05-Gzj; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:56:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GE09k-1lsVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:56:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GE09j-00028S-Q3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:56:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8060A3C77D3; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28771-03; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 13EB83C7527; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:55:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 071FF3C76E4 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28549-10 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 9078C3C5191 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15694 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2006 08:55:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2006 08:55:59 -0000 Message-ID: <44E580CD.4030109@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:56:45 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Selecting thin lines in OPW documents References: <44E31D08.5030908@ed.ac.uk> <44E391B2.4050500@ed.ac.uk> <4e578399dfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <44E41631.3090603@ed.ac.uk> <44E46291.1070602@ed.ac.uk> <13c8fd574e.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> In-Reply-To: <13c8fd574e.Jo@hobbes.bass-software.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 643 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) John Tytgat wrote: > In message <44E46291.1070602@ed.ac.uk> you wrote: > >> David Pilling wrote: >>> Zero width is supposed to be understood as a special value and rendered >>> as one pixel wide. Which is not so bad on screen at 90 dpi, but is >>> likely to be invisible at 2400 dpi or whatever your printer does. >>> >>> This also means you can't rely on the width being the same for layout >>> purposes. >> That's very useful to know. Then, presumably, I could experiment with >> various different resolution settings in Acrobat Distiller to see the >> effect on "line width" and determine the optimum line width for the >> final copy. > > That won't work ... > > Good advice : never use zero linewidth strokes on purpose and use tools > to detect & correct such things as soon as possible. > John. OK, they're gone ... Thanks for the advice. -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 18 11:26:00 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GE0Rp-25eknw-08-Ghe."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:26:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GE0Rp-25eknw-08-Ghe; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:15:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GE0Rp-25eknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:15:25 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GE0Rp-0005sT-B4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:15:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C88E3C791E; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 05:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32263-01; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 05:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83B9B3C79F9; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 05:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 18 Aug 2006 05:14:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7AC243C7A03 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 05:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32023-10 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 05:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 33B103C791E for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 05:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20927 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2006 09:14:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2006 09:14:40 -0000 Message-ID: <44E58536.3090206@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:15:34 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Overflowing text frames in OPW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 644 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Occasionally, I like to use a blank frame of minimal height (e.g. 1-2mm) as a "spacer". Is there any way to remove the overflow flag from this frame, and any way to prevent PrePress from reporting this as an "overflowing text frame"? -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 18 11:35:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GE1gU-3NfVbs-06-FSz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:35:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GE1gU-3NfVbs-06-FSz; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:34:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GE1gU-3NfVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:34:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GE1gU-0002Cz-Gs for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:34:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D98043C6F67; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18248-02; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 581153C7A8C; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:33:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 692063C7A8B for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18027-03 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88C563C6EE9 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GE1fh-0000ig-17 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:33:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:32:10 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Overflowing text frames in OPW References: <44E58536.3090206@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44E58536.3090206@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 645 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <44E58536.3090206@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Occasionally, I like to use a blank frame of minimal height (e.g. >1-2mm) as a "spacer". >Is there any way to remove the overflow flag from this frame, and any >way to prevent PrePress from reporting this as an "overflowing text >frame"? Set the inset of the frame to 0mm (F7 inset), then set the text height to something very small (type "xxx" select all, enter 1pt in info palette, return). Finally resize the frame. Plan B, use a picture frame with a very small picture in it. Or use an empty picture frame, but you'd need to have Ovation 1 around to produce one of these. These mean keeping a copy of your special frame, it is not easy to create. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 18 11:45:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GE1iN-3bNVbs-03-FR6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:45:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GE1iN-3bNVbs-03-FR6; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:36:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GE1iN-3bNVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:36:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GE1iM-0002Ng-Sm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:36:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A82243C7AAF; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18764-06-2; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1435F3C7B09; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:35:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BA6C3C7C05 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18573-03-9 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21D343C7B18 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GE1he-0004Fu-Bb for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:35:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:34:46 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing OPW and PDF files containing 1bpp TIFFs (sprites) References: <44E4B7B5.7080708@ed.ac.uk> <44E57E49.1090009@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44E57E49.1090009@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 646 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <44E57E49.1090009@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall writes >Switching from FastRes 1200 to ProRes 1200 (141 lpi) (with the same >graphics setting) gets rid of the charcoal stick effect in the white >areas of pictures. However, a thin line (aaaarrrgh ...!) then appears >in the printout along the bottom and right-hand edges of certain pictures. Not good news because there have been problems with that kind of thing in the past (both Windows and RISC OS). PostScript should be more accurate - well with "direct PostScript" turned on. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 18 11:55:45 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GE1wo-03lGPo-04-FCf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:55:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GE1wo-03lGPo-04-FCf; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:51:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GE1wo-03lGPo-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:51:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GE1wo-00050a-4q for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:51:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82BF83C79A1; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21909-01; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1A3A23C7A2A; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:50:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5DC6F3C796C for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21707-01 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 28B933C77A5 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 77312 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2006 10:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2006 10:50:41 -0000 Message-ID: <44E59B99.4070000@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:51:05 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing OPW and PDF files containing 1bpp TIFFs (sprites) References: <44E4B7B5.7080708@ed.ac.uk> <44E57E49.1090009@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 647 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > In message <44E57E49.1090009@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall > writes >> Switching from FastRes 1200 to ProRes 1200 (141 lpi) (with the same >> graphics setting) gets rid of the charcoal stick effect in the white >> areas of pictures. However, a thin line (aaaarrrgh ...!) then appears >> in the printout along the bottom and right-hand edges of certain >> pictures. > > Not good news because there have been problems with that kind of thing > in the past (both Windows and RISC OS). > > PostScript should be more accurate - well with "direct PostScript" > turned on. At one time, when you were developing Unicode support for OPW (I think), we were advised not to use "direct PS", so I never got into the habit of using it. I will try it out and see what happens. But just to be clear ... the problems I've reported only appear in printouts from a PDF file (derived from an OPW document), not when printing to my lj1220 direct from the OPW document. When I get closer to finishing this particular publication project, I suppose I could send the publisher a sample PDF and ask them to check for problems ... I presume they can do that, tho' I have little idea what happens to a PDF file once it's sent to a publisher. -- CB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 18 13:25:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GE3M4-34J000-03-DnP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:25:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GE3M4-34J000-03-DnP; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:21:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GE3M4-34J000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:21:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GE3M3-0004qa-NN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:21:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 71EB23C71D1; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07525-08; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC60D3C6FCD; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:20:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17F5F3C7BDC for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07398-06 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.freeserve.com (smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.156]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BAFB13C71D0 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3212.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1AEC53C00088 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:20:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rpc (user-54408483.wfd74a.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.132.131]) by mwinf3212.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id CD1FE3C00084 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:20:53 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060818122053840.CD1FE3C00084@mwinf3212.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing OPW and PDF files containing 1bpp TIFFs (sprites) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Adams X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:20:18 +0100 Message-ID: References: <44E4B7B5.7080708@ed.ac.uk> <44E57E49.1090009@ed.ac.uk> <44E59B99.4070000@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44E59B99.4070000@ed.ac.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 648 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <44E59B99.4070000@ed.ac.uk> Clive Bonsall wrote: > David Pilling wrote: >> In message <44E57E49.1090009@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >> writes >>> Switching from FastRes 1200 to ProRes 1200 (141 lpi) (with the same >>> graphics setting) gets rid of the charcoal stick effect in the white >>> areas of pictures. However, a thin line (aaaarrrgh ...!) then appears >>> in the printout along the bottom and right-hand edges of certain >>> pictures. >> >> Not good news because there have been problems with that kind of thing >> in the past (both Windows and RISC OS). >> >> PostScript should be more accurate - well with "direct PostScript" >> turned on. > > At one time, when you were developing Unicode support for OPW (I think), > we were advised not to use "direct PS", so I never got into the habit of > using it. I will try it out and see what happens. > > But just to be clear ... the problems I've reported only appear in > printouts from a PDF file (derived from an OPW document), not when > printing to my lj1220 direct from the OPW document. > > When I get closer to finishing this particular publication project, I > suppose I could send the publisher a sample PDF and ask them to check > for problems ... I presume they can do that, tho' I have little idea > what happens to a PDF file once it's sent to a publisher. Are you sure they need PDF? - the printer I use is very happy to use Postscript - the output from the generic postscript driver works well for me. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Aug 18 15:35:55 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1GE5RE-4OFVbs-06-BiF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:35:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1GE5RE-4OFVbs-06-BiF; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:35:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1GE5RE-4OFVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:35:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1GE5RD-0005YH-Ij for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:35:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B4F03C81C0; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30915-05; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BFA63C828B; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:34:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA0AC3C81C0 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30714-10 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 4F1673C82C5 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64145 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2006 14:34:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jcbonsall@btinternet.com@81.129.145.102 with plain) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 2006 14:34:23 -0000 Message-ID: <44E5D039.8080508@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:35:37 +0100 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing OPW and PDF files containing 1bpp TIFFs (sprites) References: <44E4B7B5.7080708@ed.ac.uk> <44E57E49.1090009@ed.ac.uk> <44E59B99.4070000@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 649 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Alan Adams wrote: > In message <44E59B99.4070000@ed.ac.uk> > Clive Bonsall wrote: > >> David Pilling wrote: >>> In message <44E57E49.1090009@ed.ac.uk>, Clive Bonsall >>> writes >> When I get closer to finishing this particular publication project, I >> suppose I could send the publisher a sample PDF and ask them to check >> for problems ... I presume they can do that, tho' I have little idea >> what happens to a PDF file once it's sent to a publisher. > > Are you sure they need PDF? - the printer I use is very happy to use > Postscript - the output from the generic postscript driver works well > for me. No, I'm not sure, but I'll check it out. -- CB