From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat, 01 Jul 2006 17:29:56 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 17:29:56 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Date calculations in OPro? Message-ID: <4e3fb117c2Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <918e443e4e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <918e443e4e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 467 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <918e443e4e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams wrote: > I appreciate it's easy in a spreadsheet, and I could therefore > mailmerge them in, but I wondered whether there was an applet for > example which could do this? If you had a directory containing a set of files named, say, Dm1 (for D minus 1), Dp0, Dp1 etc, and arranged (by running some external program) for those files to contain the correct dates, is there some way of telling OP to imbed the text in those files at specific points in the document? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll, Edinburgh, Scotland - my opinions are my own. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:06:58 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: "Jeff Wallis" To: "'List PillingSoftware'" Subject: [softwarelist] PNG and transparency Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:06:58 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c6a59a$eb43bef0$6401a8c0@Office> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcalmuUN0D+wWR3uQqiE58aK3cvEmA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 468 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jeff.wallis@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net I can load PNG files into OPW but any transparent areas are rendered as black. OPW renders transparency correctly in sprites and gifs but not in PNGs - is this so? Jeff Wallis -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/385 - Release Date: 11/07/2006 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:17:40 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CD download problems To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Devon X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:17:40 +0100 Message-ID: <9caf49454e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> References: <03234b454e.jbridger@jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <03234b454e.jbridger@jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 470 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <03234b454e.jbridger@jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk> John Bridger wrote: > I recently bought RiscOS 4.39 (at the South West show). [snip] > Everything seemed back to running without any problems until > I tried to download a file from a CD ROM. I could open up > the root directory of the CD and any subsequent directories > showing the list of files therein. Click on the file icon > and drag it to any destination and it crashed - locking up > the computer completely (only way out is to turn it off at > the mains) - the CD drive continued to whirr (rotate) until [snip] I've done several 4.02 to 4.39 ROM upgrades and they were just about the easiest of all, so you've been very unfortunate. ISTR that some CD drives could not be driven by the version of CDFSSoftATAPI in OS 4 and there is an alternative version to cope with this on the riscos.com site. -- Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wilts, UK RISC OS in the Timber Frame Housing Industry From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:33:31 GMT X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:33:31 GMT From: John Bridger To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] CD download problems Message-ID: <03234b454e.jbridger@jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 469 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jbridger@pinion.ndo.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net I recently bought RiscOS 4.39 (at the South West show). I needed help to get 'install' to run, but members of the Wessex group sorted this at a meeting. Back home it would not !Boot until I unplugged my USB card-reader (Castle USB podule). All seemed well until Ovation kept on crashing and locking up the computer completely. I eventually found that some PD fonts caused this. However, there were other problems (software not working) and I eventually re- installed OS 4.02. I had of course saved the 4.02 !Boot file just in case! Everything seemed back to running without any problems until I tried to download a file from a CD ROM. I could open up the root directory of the CD and any subsequent directories showing the list of files therein. Click on the file icon and drag it to any destination and it crashed - locking up the computer completely (only way out is to turn it off at the mains) - the CD drive continued to whirr (rotate) until also turned off. I then re-installed the OS 4.39 ROMS (and its !Boot file) but the problem remained. So I went back to 4.02. 4.02 works fine in every respect - except that I can not download any files from a CD. Strictly speaking this is not an Ovation problem (that is working fine again under 4.02) but can any of you clever guys out there help me please? John Bridger From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:40:18 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: <+wS9ggACvPtEFwWD@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:40:18 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PNG and transparency References: <000001c6a59a$eb43bef0$6401a8c0@Office> In-Reply-To: <000001c6a59a$eb43bef0$6401a8c0@Office> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 471 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >I can load PNG files into OPW but any transparent areas are rendered as >black. >OPW renders transparency correctly in sprites and gifs but not in PNGs - is >this so? Apparently transparency in PNG's is not handled. I was surprised, but there is little attempt to use transparency data. I'm sure I could do better. There is an issue though in that PNG's support alpha channels (as opposed to simple 100% transparent/100% opaque). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:25:40 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: "Jeff Wallis" To: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PNG and transparency Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:25:40 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c6a5c7$70835d10$6401a8c0@Office> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <+wS9ggACvPtEFwWD@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaluOt8G0uXWFJnSAO+xaGcfT4LFwADgcJQ X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 472 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jeff.wallis@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net -----Original Message----- From: [mailto:davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of David Pilling Sent: 12 July 2006 14:40 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: PNG and transparency >I can load PNG files into OPW but any transparent areas are rendered as >black. >OPW renders transparency correctly in sprites and gifs but not in PNGs >- is this so? Apparently transparency in PNG's is not handled. I was surprised, but there is little attempt to use transparency data. I'm sure I could do better. There is an issue though in that PNG's support alpha channels (as opposed to simple 100% transparent/100% opaque). I'm surprised there hasn't been more call for it - I believe PNG files are the only ones that can include graduated transparency. I surely can't be the first person to have wanted to put a vignetted picture over a coloured or patterned background. Jeff Wallis -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/385 - Release Date: 11/07/2006 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:03:51 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-ME-UUID: 20060712170357944.E69311C00084@mwinf3206.me.freeserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:03:51 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: CD download problems Message-ID: <4e455e647bfreelists@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <03234b454e.jbridger@jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk> References: <03234b454e.jbridger@jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 473 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: freelists@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <03234b454e.jbridger@jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk>, John Bridger wrote: > I recently bought RiscOS 4.39 (at the South West show). > I needed help to get 'install' to run, but members of the Wessex group > sorted this at a meeting. Back home it would not !Boot until I unplugged > my USB card-reader (Castle USB podule). All seemed well until Ovation > kept on crashing and locking up the computer completely. I eventually > found that some PD fonts caused this. However, there were other problems > (software not working) and I eventually re- installed OS 4.02. I had of > course saved the 4.02 !Boot file just in case! Hi John, did you want to bring it along to the next meeting on Saturday to see if we can get to the bottom of the problems? > Everything seemed back to running without any problems until I tried to > download a file from a CD ROM. I could open up the root directory of the > CD and any subsequent directories showing the list of files therein. > Click on the file icon and drag it to any destination and it crashed - > locking up the computer completely (only way out is to turn it off at the > mains) - the CD drive continued to whirr (rotate) until also turned off. > I then re-installed the OS 4.39 ROMS (and its !Boot file) but the problem > remained. So I went back to 4.02. 4.02 works fine in every respect - > except that I can not download any files from a CD. Remind me how the CD-ROM drive is connected, is it possible the cable isn't all the way in? Also, did you do a delete power-on after changing from 4.02 to 4.39 and back? BTW the WAUG mailing list has now moved to freelists, the email address is waug@freelists.org. -- ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:18:07 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:18:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.009, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 474 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net I've been doing some investigations into suspected memory problems on an Iyonix, suspecting a potential bug in the Lazy Task Swapping code (previously discussed on the Iyonix mailing list), and one common denominator is that OvationPro is always loaded when I encounter problems. Looking at the task display, I notice that the application task space for OvationPro constantly flichers when entering text into an OvPro window. This would imply that OvPro is claiming and releasing wimp application memory blocks on a more or less constant basis. Is it supposed to do this, as I have a suspicion it's possibly contributing to a failure of LTS under certain conditions on the Iyonix. I guess this is a question mainly aimed at David :-) as it's of a somewhat technical nature, but if you want more information, please email me and I can provide a test which (9 times out of 10) causes the problem to occur. Paul -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ They who commit a mistake and do not correct it commit another mistake. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:18:10 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:18:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 475 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > Looking at the task display, I notice that the application task > space for OvationPro constantly flichers when entering text into an > OvPro window. This would imply that OvPro is claiming and releasing > wimp application memory blocks on a more or less constant basis. Could you amplify this a little. I have tried, and I see no flicker in either the Ovation Pro application task slot, or in the Ovation Pro dynamic area memory. This is both with a single document loaded, and several documents loaded. The application slot does sometimes increase by a 4K unit when a page reformat is caused by typing into the middle of the document, which has embedded pictures, but no flickering. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:25:50 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:25:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.009, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 476 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > Could you amplify this a little. I have tried, and I see no flicker in > either the Ovation Pro application task slot, or in the Ovation Pro > dynamic area memory. This is both with a single document loaded, and > several documents loaded. The application slot does sometimes increase by > a 4K unit when a page reformat is caused by typing into the middle of the > document, which has embedded pictures, but no flickering. Using OvationPro v2.77 on a 512MB Iyonix with ROS 5.11, open a new OvPro document. Open 'Tasks' window. Just type random gobbledegook into OvPro default page. The 'OvationPro' application space constantly flickers by claiming and releasing an extra 4K. Does it all the time here, so should be easily reproducible. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ 51 things to do in a lift.... 7. Shave. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:35:45 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:35:45 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <4e45c430f8mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 477 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > Just type random gobbledegook into OvPro default page. The > 'OvationPro' application space constantly flickers by claiming and > releasing an extra 4K. Same here. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:40:22 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:40:22 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 479 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 13 Jul, Paul Vigay wrote: > In article <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, > Chris Johnson wrote: > > Could you amplify this a little. I have tried, and I see no flicker > > in either the Ovation Pro application task slot, or in the Ovation > > Pro dynamic area memory. This is both with a single document loaded, > > and several documents loaded. The application slot does sometimes > > increase by a 4K unit when a page reformat is caused by typing into > > the middle of the document, which has embedded pictures, but no > > flickering. >=20 > Using OvationPro v2.77 on a 512MB Iyonix with ROS 5.11, open a new > OvPro document.=20 >=20 > Open 'Tasks' window. >=20 > Just type random gobbledegook into OvPro default page. The > 'OvationPro' application space constantly flickers by claiming and > releasing an extra 4K. >=20 > Does it all the time here, so should be easily reproducible. Not here it doesn't but then I seem to remember that your machine is almost one of those that is running one of Sinclair's power stations; mine is lightly loaded. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:42:26 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:42:26 +0100 Message-ID: <85cdc4454e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45 430f8mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e45c430f8mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 478 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e45c430f8mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> Peter Newble wrote: > In article <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay > wrote: >> Just type random gobbledegook into OvPro default page. The >> 'OvationPro' application space constantly flickers by claiming and >> releasing an extra 4K. > > Same here. > and here...... -- JayCee From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:49:20 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:49:20 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <4e45c56f19lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.009, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 481 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > Not here it doesn't but then I seem to remember that your machine is > almost one of those that is running one of Sinclair's power stations; > mine is lightly loaded. That's odd. It does it here, even with nothing else loaded (ie. clean boot) Are you sure it's not just flickering too fast you don't notice it. If you repeated press keys on the keyboard, you should see it flickering quite a bit. I'm sure this is perhaps causing a problem with Lazy Task Swapping, which invariably results in a line of random pixels appearing on the backdrop after approx 15-20 minutes of OvPro loaded, followed soon after by applications randomly crashing (until you turn off Lasy Task Swapping or reboot the machine). Paul -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ Sign in a Chinese Pet Store: "Buy one dog, get one flea..." From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:48:10 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:48:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <4e45c553bfchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 480 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > In article <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, > Chris Johnson wrote: > > Could you amplify this a little. I have tried, and I see no > > flicker in either the Ovation Pro application task slot, or in > > the Ovation Pro dynamic area memory. This is both with a single > > document loaded, and several documents loaded. The application > > slot does sometimes increase by a 4K unit when a page reformat is > > caused by typing into the middle of the document, which has > > embedded pictures, but no flickering. > Using OvationPro v2.77 on a 512MB Iyonix with ROS 5.11, open a new > OvPro document. My system is the same. > Open 'Tasks' window. > Just type random gobbledegook into OvPro default page. The > 'OvationPro' application space constantly flickers by claiming and > releasing an extra 4K. This is what I did before. Have now repeated. Opro application space (currently 2352K) remains rock steady. > Does it all the time here, so should be easily reproducible. Sorry, but I cannot here. I should also add that my old (Dec 2002) Iyonix, without any hardware mods, is generally on 24/7 and does not suffer any freezes, unless I have screwed up while developing my own software. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:52:50 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:52:50 +0100 Message-ID: <57c1c5454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c56f19lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4e45c56f19lists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.064, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 482 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 13 Jul 2006 Paul Vigay wrote: > In article , > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > >> Not here it doesn't but then I seem to remember that your machine is >> almost one of those that is running one of Sinclair's power stations; >> mine is lightly loaded. > > That's odd. It does it here, even with nothing else loaded (ie. clean boot) But not here; 5.11 with lazy task swapping on. > Are you sure it's not just flickering too fast you don't notice it. If you > repeated press keys on the keyboard, you should see it flickering quite a > bit. > > I'm sure this is perhaps causing a problem with Lazy Task Swapping, which > invariably results in a line of random pixels appearing on the backdrop > after approx 15-20 minutes of OvPro loaded, followed soon after by > applications randomly crashing (until you turn off Lasy Task Swapping or > reboot the machine). Never seen that here. Perhaps everyone needs to submit lists of what else is running? With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:02:47 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:02:47 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <4e45c6aa41chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4e45c56f19lists-nospam@vigay.com> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c56f19lists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 483 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4e45c56f19lists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > In article , > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > Not here it doesn't but then I seem to remember that your machine > > is almost one of those that is running one of Sinclair's power > > stations; mine is lightly loaded. > That's odd. It does it here, even with nothing else loaded (ie. > clean boot) > Are you sure it's not just flickering too fast you don't notice it. > If you repeated press keys on the keyboard, you should see it > flickering quite a bit. > I'm sure this is perhaps causing a problem with Lazy Task Swapping, > which invariably results in a line of random pixels appearing on > the backdrop after approx 15-20 minutes of OvPro loaded, followed > soon after by applications randomly crashing (until you turn off > Lasy Task Swapping or reboot the machine). OK. Just to make sure I have rebooted - iconbar certainly looks a lot less congested now. I have checked Boot->config->Misc to make sure lazy task switching is not disabled. Repeated your test and there is definitely no flickering. I have typed gibberish as fast as I can hit the keys, and also held keys down to autorepeat many times. Task display slot is rock steady. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:12:15 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:12:15 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <4e45c78873barry@e-allen.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 484 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: barry@e-allen.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > In article <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson > wrote: > > Could you amplify this a little. I have tried, and I see no flicker > > in either the Ovation Pro application task slot, or in the Ovation > > Pro dynamic area memory. This is both with a single document > > loaded, and several documents loaded. The application slot does > > sometimes increase by a 4K unit when a page reformat is caused by > > typing into the middle of the document, which has embedded > > pictures, but no flickering. > Using OvationPro v2.77 on a 512MB Iyonix with ROS 5.11, open a new > OvPro document. > Open 'Tasks' window. > Just type random gobbledegook into OvPro default page. The > 'OvationPro' application space constantly flickers by claiming and > releasing an extra 4K. > Does it all the time here, so should be easily reproducible. Doesn't happen here with OvationPro v 2.75 on a 512MB Iyonix with ROS 5.11. -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:29:43 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:29:43 +0100 Message-ID: <8021c9454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c56f19lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c6aa41chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4e45c6aa41chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.064, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 485 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 13 Jul 2006 Chris Johnson wrote: [snip] > OK. Just to make sure I have rebooted - iconbar certainly looks a lot > less congested now. I have checked Boot->config->Misc to make sure > lazy task switching is not disabled. Repeated your test and there is > definitely no flickering. > > I have typed gibberish as fast as I can hit the keys, and also held > keys down to autorepeat many times. Task display slot is rock steady. I just wondered, from my usual point of view of ignorance, whether the presence or absence of Aemulor (+-Pro) might be relevant. We know that Paul won't have anything to do with Aemulor; could this possibly be why different people report different experiences? With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:36:30 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20060713133458.0245c958@pop3.soton.ac.uk> X-Sender: mlb1@pop3.soton.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:36:30 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: "M.Bellamy" Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation In-Reply-To: <8021c9454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4e45c6aa41chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c56f19lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c6aa41chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ISS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ISS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ISS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam X-ISS-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 486 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: M.Bellamy@soton.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net At 13:29 13/07/2006 +0100, you wrote: >On 13 Jul 2006 Chris Johnson wrote: > >[snip] > > > OK. Just to make sure I have rebooted - iconbar certainly looks a lot > > less congested now. I have checked Boot->config->Misc to make sure > > lazy task switching is not disabled. Repeated your test and there is > > definitely no flickering. > > > > I have typed gibberish as fast as I can hit the keys, and also held > > keys down to autorepeat many times. Task display slot is rock steady. > >I just wondered, from my usual point of view of ignorance, whether the >presence or absence of Aemulor (+-Pro) might be relevant. We know that >Paul won't have anything to do with Aemulor; could this possibly be >why different people report different experiences? Could it be different settings for spell-checking or the undo buffer? MattLB From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:39:18 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:39:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <4e45ca022alists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <57c1c5454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c56f19lists-nospam@vigay.com> <57c1c5454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.009, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 487 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <57c1c5454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > But not here; 5.11 with lazy task swapping on. [Snip] > Never seen that here. Perhaps everyone needs to submit lists of what > else is running? Very interesting. I did think that after my earlier posting, so I've subsequently done some more experimentation. I've deleted everything non-standard from my PreDesk and Tasks directory in Boot and prevented all third-party applications and modules from starting up, so effectively giving myself a brand new Boot sequence - and it still does it, when OvPro is the only thing loaded. I wonder what else it could be? -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ The sentence, "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog", uses every letter of the alphabet. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:49:24 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:49:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <4e45caeee6lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20060713133458.0245c958@pop3.soton.ac.uk> References: <4e45c6aa41chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c56f19lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c6aa41chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <8021c9454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5.2.1.1.0.20060713133458.0245c958@pop3.soto .ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.009, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 488 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <5.2.1.1.0.20060713133458.0245c958@pop3.soton.ac.uk>, M.Bellamy wrote: > Could it be different settings for spell-checking or the undo buffer? Just tried changing the size of the undo buffer (it was 8K) to 256K and it made no difference - still flickering of 4K chunks. I guess there could be all manner of variables here, because it might even be one of the applets installed or something. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ The hardness of butter is directly proportional to the softness of the bread. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:01:59 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:01:59 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c56f19lists-nospam@vigay.com> <57c1c5454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e45ca022alists- ospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4e45ca022alists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.064, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 489 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 13 Jul 2006 Paul Vigay wrote: > In article <57c1c5454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, > Dr Peter Young wrote: > >> But not here; 5.11 with lazy task swapping on. > > [Snip] > >> Never seen that here. Perhaps everyone needs to submit lists of what >> else is running? > > Very interesting. I did think that after my earlier posting, so I've > subsequently done some more experimentation. > > I've deleted everything non-standard from my PreDesk and Tasks directory in > Boot and prevented all third-party applications and modules from starting > up, so effectively giving myself a brand new Boot sequence - and it still > does it, when OvPro is the only thing loaded. > > I wonder what else it could be? Aemulor, or absence thereof? See my previous post. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:06:50 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:06:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <4e45cc8792lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c56f19lists-nospam@vigay.com> <57c1c5454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e45ca022alists- ospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.009, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 490 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article , Dr Peter Young wrote: [Snip] > Aemulor, or absence thereof? See my previous post. But presumably that shouldn't interfere with other tasks memory space when it's not running (and it shouldn't be, because OvPro is 32-bit native anyway). Might be worth eliminating through - can anyone try with and without aemulor to see if it makes a difference? -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ 51 things to do in a lift.... 10. Stand silent and motionless in the corner, facing the wall, without getting off. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:19:30 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:19:30 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <4e45cdb09dchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4e45caeee6lists-nospam@vigay.com> References: <4e45c6aa41chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com><4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com><4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com><4e 5c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com><4e45c56f19lists-nospam@vigay.com><4e45c6aa41chris@chrisjoh son.plus.com> <8021c9454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5.2.1.1.0.20060713133458.0245c958@pop3.soton.ac.uk> <4e45caeee6lists-n spam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 491 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4e45caeee6lists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: > I guess there could be all manner of variables here, because it > might even be one of the applets installed or something. Not observing the effect here, here is a bit more info. I actually have very few applets installed: !Arrange !Clipbrds !ColPal !ColSupp !Document !Fill !Imposit !JoinLine !OArtWrks !PagePal !Statnry !StylePal I use Aemulor sometimes as needed. It is not run at Boot, but fired up to Run (dare I say it) Publisher sometimes - in connection with some work I do for Paul Beverley. When I first did the tests, on a machine that had been running for several days, Aemulor had been used, but had been quit again (several times over). After the more recent tests after a reboot, Aemulor had definitely not been seen. Chris... -- Chris Johnson From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:26:44 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:26:44 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 492 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay writes >Looking at the task display, I notice that the application task space for >OvationPro constantly flichers when entering text into an OvPro window. >This would imply that OvPro is claiming and releasing wimp application >memory blocks on a more or less constant basis. If it is claiming and releasing memory, so what? When you hit a key in OP, a lot of things can happen. Suppose the line of text contains an embedded irregular picture frame. All sorts of claiming/releasing memory and rendering will take then place each time the text changes. I agree that in the interests of efficiency OP should not be claiming and releasing memory on each key stroke if it can help it. I will have tried to avoid this situation, but it is hard to know exactly what happens. As has just been said there may be applets loaded that do things on each key stroke. So it is hard to answer. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:30:35 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:30:35 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <48b4ce454e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c56f19lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c6aa41chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <8021c9454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8021c9454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 493 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In message of 13 Jul, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 13 Jul 2006 Chris Johnson wrote: >=20 > [snip] >=20 > > OK. Just to make sure I have rebooted - iconbar certainly looks a lot > > less congested now. I have checked Boot->config->Misc to make sure > > lazy task switching is not disabled. Repeated your test and there is > > definitely no flickering. > >=20 > > I have typed gibberish as fast as I can hit the keys, and also held > > keys down to autorepeat many times. Task display slot is rock steady. >=20 > I just wondered, from my usual point of view of ignorance, whether the=20 > presence or absence of Aemulor (+-Pro) might be relevant. We know that=20 > Paul won't have anything to do with Aemulor; could this possibly be=20 > why different people report different experiences? Not here. I regularly run AemulorPro, though not at BootUp, and never have any pyjamas or flickering/changing task display for OPro. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:33:20 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:33:20 +0100 Message-ID: <87f4ce454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c56f19lists-nospam@vigay.com> <57c1c5454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e45ca022alists- ospam@vigay.com> <4e45cc8792lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4e45cc8792lists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.064, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 494 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 13 Jul 2006 Paul Vigay wrote: > In article , > Dr Peter Young wrote: > [Snip] > >> Aemulor, or absence thereof? See my previous post. > > But presumably that shouldn't interfere with other tasks memory space when > it's not running (and it shouldn't be, because OvPro is 32-bit native > anyway). > > Might be worth eliminating through - can anyone try with and without > aemulor to see if it makes a difference? OK, done that. Well, it seemed a good idea! 1) Quitted Aemulor including the module. 2) Increased an OPro document stepwise by repeatedly inserting a textfile; eventual size of the document 84K. 3) The OPro dynamic area increased stepwise, but no hint of a flicker. Perhaps Paul's applet idea is relevant? FWIW, and anticipating the next question, the catalogue of the applets directory here is: !!arrayLib !Abbrev !AlphaSrt !Bookmark !BulletFix !Calcs !Clipbrds !ColSupp !Convert !Custom !Document !Fill !FitWidth !Fluff !Fog !FontCat !FontList !Fraction !Grabber !HideDoc !HTMLinks- !Imposit !Impulse !JoinLine !KSelect- !Label !Labeller !Ligature !Logger- !NudgePal !OArtWrks !OEFPro !Ovation1 !POBar !QuickSve !Speech !Statnry !StepRept !StylePal !SuprShft !TextPal !URLlink !Version With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:47:58 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:47:58 +0200 Message-ID: <984bd0454e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4e45c6aa41chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> 4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c56f19lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c6aa41chris@ch isjohnson.plus.com> <8021c9454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <5.2.1.1.0.20060713133458.0245c958@pop3.soton.ac.uk> <4e45caeee6l sts-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4e45caeee6lists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 495 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e45caeee6lists-nospam@vigay.com> Paul Vigay wrote: > In article <5.2.1.1.0.20060713133458.0245c958@pop3.soton.ac.uk>, > M.Bellamy wrote: > >> Could it be different settings for spell-checking or the undo buffer? > > Just tried changing the size of the undo buffer (it was 8K) to 256K and it > made no difference - still flickering of 4K chunks. > > I guess there could be all manner of variables here, because it might even > be one of the applets installed or something. Yes, that is the most likely reason. I do not see any flicker after normal keypresses either (OP 2.77, Aemulor not loaded, RISC OS 5.11) but I have only got the standard set of applets installed: !Arrange D/WR !ColSupp D/WR !Custom D/WR !Fill D/WR !Fluff D/WR !FontList D/WR !Grabber D/WR !Hints D/WR !Imposit D/WR !OArtWrks D/WR !OCharges D/WR !OEPS D/WR !OPCA D/WR !PagePal D/WR !PrePress D/WR !Quotes D/WR !Today D/WR Anyone who does not see any flicker should be able to easily see what it would look like by selecting a few characters, pressing Ctrl-C to copy them to the clipboard and then pressing Ctrl-V a few times. Each Ctrl-V keypress causes the OP entry in the TaskManager to flicker. I do not see that flicker with other keypresses though. Finally, applications are at liberty to claim and release memory as often as they wish. The OS should not get into trouble even when this happens excessively. Considering the amount of work the OS has to do to change the memory slot, it is not exactly a good idea for applications to change their slot size too often but they are perfectly allowed to do that. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:11:16 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:11:16 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Whither David Pilling... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 496 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, I've been neglecting you over recent weeks because of serious illness in my family. At best, it will be many weeks before things get back to normal. Today Windows XP did a chkdsk when I turned on this computer. As a result all my email has vanished. So if you've not had a reply please repost. Over this period I've tried to reply to anything that could be dealt with quickly. At the moment I don't have the time to enter into prolonged discussions. After what I've seen recently I would like to say something that will stop anyone else suffering the same fate. So if you get a bad pain in the top of your leg, and your GP rushes to say "sciatica due to your spine being out of alignment, take pain killers and stay active, it will go better on its own in time", and the pain keeps getting worse, seek a second opinion, or pay for a CT scan, do not wait for it to go better. If you Google you'll find reams of stuff on the common causes of sciatica (slipped discs and suchlike), however some of the other causes which usually get only a one word mention e.g. "infection" turn out to be very serious. It also came as a surprise to us that an X-ray didn't show up the real problem. I don't want to turn this into a thread. So if we can leave it here... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:40:31 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:40:31 +0200 Message-ID: <541bd5454e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 497 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message David Pilling wrote: [snip] > > I will have tried to avoid this situation, but it is hard to know > exactly what happens. As has just been said there may be applets loaded > that do things on each key stroke. > > So it is hard to answer. If you take out the next 2 applets there is no flickering: !ColSupp !TextPal I appreciate that the absence of !ColSupp is not asked for :-( The presence of the following applets give no flickering, as used on an Iyonix: !!!!!!!bm !!arrayLib !Abbrev !AlphaSrt !Arrange !BMButton !Capital !Clipbrds !ColPal !Contents !Custom !Dbase !Document !Filename !Fill !FitWidth !Fluff !Grabber !Headings !Imposit !Impulse !Index !Label !Labeller !Lockswtch !Logger !NewFrame !NudgePal !OArtWrks !OCharges !OEPS !OPCA !Ovation1 !OvHTML !PagePal !PageSize !POBarNL !PrePress !Quote- !Quotes !Sequence !SRWE !Statnry !StepRept !StylePal !TransDte !Unique Can someone enlighten me on what LTS is, please. Regards, JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:51:53 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:51:53 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <541bd5454e.janvred@smile.ch> In-Reply-To: <541bd5454e.janvred@smile.ch> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 498 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <541bd5454e.janvred@smile.ch> JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > [snip] >> >> I will have tried to avoid this situation, but it is hard to know >> exactly what happens. As has just been said there may be applets loaded >> that do things on each key stroke. >> >> So it is hard to answer. > > If you take out the next 2 applets there is no flickering: > > !ColSupp > !TextPal > > I appreciate that the absence of !ColSupp is not asked for :-( I do have ColSup but do not get any flickering. I do not have TextPal though. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:02:59 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:02:59 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <4e45d72a0alists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <541bd5454e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <541bd5454e.janvred@smile.ch> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.009, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 499 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: lists-nospam@vigay.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <541bd5454e.janvred@smile.ch>, JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: [Snip] > If you take out the next 2 applets there is no flickering: > !ColSupp > !TextPal > I appreciate that the absence of !ColSupp is not asked for :-( After extensive testing this afternoon, I've narrowed it down. !ColSupp has no effect here, so that appears to be ok. However, it was an applet causing the task memory flickering, and it's the !IdxPro applet - whatever that is, I forget now. Removing that stops the flickering when I type. Replacing it, starts the flickering again - so I've temporarily removed it and I'll see if I encounter any LTS problems again.... -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ Honk if you love peace and quiet. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:18:14 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:18:14 +0200 Message-ID: <2a8fd8454e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <541bd5454e.janvred@smile.ch> In-Reply-To: <541bd5454e.janvred@smile.ch> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 500 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message of 13 Jul 2006 I wrote [snip] > > If you take out the next 2 applets there is no flickering: > > !ColSupp > !TextPal > > I appreciate that the absence of !ColSupp is not asked for :-( Further investigation shows that !ColSupp only leads to flickering if it is only followed by !NudgPal. I then have the following applets loaded: !!!!!!!bm !!arrayLib !Abbrev !AlphaSrt !Arrange !BMButton !Capital !Clipbrds !ColPal !ColSupp !NudgePal If I add the following applets: !Contents !Custom !Dbase flickering stops. The reason of the presence of the Nudge palette is that OvPro cannot open a window if the applets directory is completely empty. But this is probably due to the contents of my !Macros file. > Regards, > > JohnvV > -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:27:42 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:27:42 +0100 From: Tank To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <026dd9454e.tank@tankstage.co.uk> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: Tank Stage Lighting User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.70a (MsgServe/2.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:f7fac1f1c70505f17468cf076fe02f68 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 501 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: webmaster@tankstage.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> you wrote: > In article <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, > Chris Johnson wrote: > > Could you amplify this a little. I have tried, and I see no flicker in > > either the Ovation Pro application task slot, or in the Ovation Pro > > dynamic area memory. This is both with a single document loaded, and > > several documents loaded. The application slot does sometimes increase by > > a 4K unit when a page reformat is caused by typing into the middle of the > > document, which has embedded pictures, but no flickering. > > Using OvationPro v2.77 on a 512MB Iyonix with ROS 5.11, open a new OvPro > document. > > Open 'Tasks' window. > > Just type random gobbledegook into OvPro default page. The 'OvationPro' > application space constantly flickers by claiming and releasing an extra 4K. > > Does it all the time here, so should be easily reproducible. > No change here with v2.77 128MB RO 5.11 Tank -- webmaster@tankstage.co.uk Iyonix PC From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:37:05 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:37:05 +0200 Message-ID: <0f49da454e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <541bd5454e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e45d72a0a ists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4e45d72a0alists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 502 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e45d72a0alists-nospam@vigay.com> Paul Vigay wrote: [snip] > However, it was an applet causing the task memory flickering, and it's the > !IdxPro applet - whatever that is, I forget now. > > Removing that stops the flickering when I type. Replacing it, starts the > flickering again - so I've temporarily removed it and I'll see if I > encounter any LTS problems again.... Flickering also stops if you de-activate !IdxPro (!IdxPro-). And then !TextPal gives no problem. As far as I know there is no 32-bit compatible version of IdxPro freely available and the copyright holder, David Breakwell, has vanished in thin air. It is a sophisticated indexing applet. A guide how to use it is on Chris Johnson's site. -- Greetings, JohnvV From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:57:11 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:57:11 +0100 From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Whither David Pilling... Message-ID: <4d97f7454e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 504 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net [snip] David All the best. We have found that there are many and several causes of backpain other than tose usually suspected. Good wishes David Mills From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:38:04 +0900 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Whither David Pilling... X-IlohaMail-Blah: plattir@gol.com@gol.com X-IlohaMail-Method: mail() [mem] X-IlohaMail-Dummy: moo X-Mailer: IlohaMail/0.8.14 (On: webmail.gol.com) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Ian Platt" Bounce-To: "Ian Platt" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:38:04 +0900 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 505 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: plattir@gol.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net On 13/7/2006, "David Pilling" wrote: >Hi, > >I've been neglecting you over recent weeks because of serious illness in >my family. I (and all your other grateful users) wish you and yours a speedy and complete recovery. Take care, Ian P. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:26:24 +1200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:26:24 +1200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <4e46263615kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4e45cc8792lists-nospam@vigay.com> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c56f19lists-nospam@vigay.com> <57c1c5454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e45ca022alists- ospam@vigay.com> <4e45cc8792lists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 510 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: kh@waikato.ac.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <4e45cc8792lists-nospam@vigay.com>, Paul Vigay wrote: [snip] > Might be worth eliminating through - can anyone try with and without > aemulor to see if it makes a difference? I have an Iyonix with Aemulor and one without. The flickering occurs on both machines! Sorry, Keith -- Sky Development From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:34:56 +1200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:34:56 +1200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <4e4626fe15kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <87f4ce454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c294d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> <4e45c34869lists-nospam@vigay.com> <4e45c56f19lists-nospam@vigay.com> <57c1c5454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4e45ca022alists- ospam@vigay.com> <4e45cc8792lists-nospam@vigay.com> <87f4ce454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormai .co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 509 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: kh@waikato.ac.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <87f4ce454e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: [snip] > Perhaps Paul's applet idea is relevant? FWIW, and anticipating the > next question, the catalogue of the applets directory here is: I append my list of applets - those different from Peter's marked with a pair of asterisks. !!!!!!!bm ** !!XRef ** !Arrange ** !Capital ** !Clipbrds !ColPal ** !ColSupp !Contents ** !Dbase ** !Document !Fill !Fluff !Fog !IdxPro ** !Imposit !Impulse !JoinLine !Kanji ** !Ligature !Marks ** !NewFrame ** !OArtWrks !PagePal ** !Sections ** !Speech !Statnry !StylePal !TextPal !THe ** !WordWrks ** Remember that my machines both flicker! Keith -- Sky Development From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:43:03 +1200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:43:03 +1200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <4e4627bc6ekh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <0f49da454e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <541bd5454e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e45d72a0a ists-nospam@vigay.com> <0f49da454e.janvred@smile.ch> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 508 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: kh@waikato.ac.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <0f49da454e.janvred@smile.ch>, JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > In message <4e45d72a0alists-nospam@vigay.com> > Paul Vigay wrote: > [snip] > Flickering also stops if you de-activate !IdxPro (!IdxPro-). > And then !TextPal gives no problem. Mmmm! Sorry! Although I have IdxPro in the applets directory - along with the list I gave in an earlier message, I only have the following active - ColPal, Database, Ligatures, PagePal, StylePal. Keith -- Sky Development From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:07:13 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Whither David Pilling... To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 07:07:13 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 506 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message "Ian Platt" wrote: > > On 13/7/2006, "David Pilling" wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>I've been neglecting you over recent weeks because of serious illness in >>my family. > > I (and all your other grateful users) wish you and yours a speedy and > complete recovery. > Amen to that. Sorry to hear that you have been through a difficult patch, We are all grateful for the way you look after us Blessings Alan -- Alan Leighton (The Rt Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:51:37 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:51:37 +0100 From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Whither David Pilling... Message-ID: References: <4d97f7454e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4d97f7454e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 507 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4d97f7454e.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> David W Mills wrote: >[snip] > >David > >All the best. > >We have found that there are many and several causes of backpain >other than tose usually suspected. > >Good wishes > >David Mills > Sorry folks meant to be a personal mmail David From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:51:23 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Artworks and Ovation To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Geoff Potter X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.09 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:51:23 +0100 Message-ID: <2a7960494e.Geoff@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.27 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 511 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: geoff.potter@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net I'm being incredibly dumb but each time I try to pull an Artworks picture into an OP frame I get the following message: "Inserted file is of type artworks not text. Are you sure you want to proceed?" Press Yes and all I get is the AW header and then gibberish. An ordinary drawfile goes in with no problem... What is the silly little thing that I'm missing? I have got AWrender 2.05 and OP 2.77, running on RPC SA 4.39 Geoff Potter -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:59:47 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Artworks and Ovation To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.32 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:59:47 +0200 Message-ID: <213e61494e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <2a7960494e.Geoff@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2a7960494e.Geoff@blueyonder.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.12 (MsgServe/3.25) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 512 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <2a7960494e.Geoff@blueyonder.co.uk> Geoff Potter wrote: > I'm being incredibly dumb but each time I try to pull an Artworks > picture into an OP frame I get the following message: > > "Inserted file is of type artworks not text. Are you sure you want to > proceed?" > > Press Yes and all I get is the AW header and then gibberish. An > ordinary drawfile goes in with no problem... > > What is the silly little thing that I'm missing? > > I have got AWrender 2.05 and OP 2.77, running on RPC SA 4.39 Sounds like you do not have the ArtWorks applet installed. Run OP, then in a TaskWindow, type: *Show OvationPro$ArtWorks It should display "1". You should find !OArtWrks in !OvnPro.Applets (and there should not be a red cross through the icon). The latest version of the ArtWorks applet is 1.12. You find the version information in the applet's Info file. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:53:56 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Artworks and Ovation To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.09 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:53:56 +0100 Message-ID: <293366494e.Geoff@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <2a7960494e.Geoff@blueyonder.co.uk> <213e61494e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <213e61494e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.27 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 513 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: geoff.potter@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <213e61494e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <2a7960494e.Geoff@blueyonder.co.uk> > Geoff Potter wrote: > >> I'm being incredibly dumb but each time I try to pull an Artworks >> picture into an OP frame I get the following message: >> >> "Inserted file is of type artworks not text. Are you sure you want to >> proceed?" >> >> Press Yes and all I get is the AW header and then gibberish. An >> ordinary drawfile goes in with no problem... >> >> What is the silly little thing that I'm missing? >> >> I have got AWrender 2.05 and OP 2.77, running on RPC SA 4.39 > > Sounds like you do not have the ArtWorks applet installed. > > Run OP, then in a TaskWindow, type: > *Show OvationPro$ArtWorks > It should display "1". > > You should find !OArtWrks in !OvnPro.Applets (and there should not be > a red cross through the icon). The latest version of the ArtWorks > applet is 1.12. You find the version information in the applet's Info > file. > > Martin Spot on Martin. I didn't have this in the applets directory at all, nor in any of my backups. Got it from Mr Pilling's website and all hunky dory. Thanks for taking the time. Geoff Potter -- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:00:34 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:00:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Artworks and Ovation Message-ID: <4e4966cedcgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2a7960494e.Geoff@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <2a7960494e.Geoff@blueyonder.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 514 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <2a7960494e.Geoff@blueyonder.co.uk>, Geoff Potter wrote: > I'm being incredibly dumb but each time I try to pull an Artworks > picture into an OP frame I get the following message: > "Inserted file is of type artworks not text. Are you sure you want to > proceed?" > Press Yes and all I get is the AW header and then gibberish. An > ordinary drawfile goes in with no problem... > What is the silly little thing that I'm missing? > I have got AWrender 2.05 and OP 2.77, running on RPC SA 4.39 You also need the OArtWrks applet installed into OPro. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:30:07 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: Ovation Pro Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:30:07 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Crash when rounding corners Message-ID: <4e4b15faddjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.02, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.02) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 515 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net I have found a very odd fault. When I edit two frames with coincident upper right corners to 5mm radius, O-Pro crashes. I assumed this was some sort of document corruption, since in some cases, I have managed to get such frames without crashing, but I can now repeat it with a blank document, which sounds more like a bug. Has anyone come across anything like this? In addition, after each test with my original document, I found that O-Pro took an extra chunk of dynamic area (most 9MB, and one 16MB) so after a few attempts, it ran out. (O-Pro 2.76, RO5.11) John -- John Harrison - using a British Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 http://www.jaharrison.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 24 Jul 2006 00:07:52 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 00:07:52 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Crash when rounding corners References: <4e4b15faddjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e4b15faddjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 516 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >I have found a very odd fault. When I edit two frames with coincident >upper right corners to 5mm radius, O-Pro crashes. >Has anyone come across anything like this? Effectively it is a known problem, OP has some short comings in the way it calculates the area to flow text around shaped frames. It is not document corruption, it is just the shapes and their relative positions. >In addition, after each test with my original document, I found that O-Pro >took an extra chunk of dynamic area (most 9MB, and one 16MB) so after a few >attempts, it ran out. Just orphaned dynamic areas, it is a common occurrence, when any program that uses a dynamic area crashes. There are free utilities available that will let you delete these areas. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:18:39 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:18:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Crash when rounding corners Message-ID: <4e4b61d55bjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4e4b15faddjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.02, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.02) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 517 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net > >When I edit two frames with coincident upper right corners to 5mm > >radius, O-Pro crashes. > Effectively it is a known problem, OP has some short comings in the way > it calculates the area to flow text around shaped frames. It is ... just > the shapes and their relative positions. Is there a known work around? Somehow I have managed to get quite a few done without crashing. Some I did by cut to another document, round, and paste back in - but that doesn't always work. Some I found I could do one, but the next crashed - but that can't be relied on, mostly now the first attempt seems to crash. If it is to do with the text flow round, maybe I can fiddle it with judicious placement or attributes of other frames to avoid the text trying to flow round that corner. If anyone already knows such tricks, it will save me discovering them by trial and error. John -- John Harrison - using a British Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 http://www.jaharrison.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:41:05 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:41:05 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] missing info palette bug MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 518 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Hi, Someone posted a message (actually to the old mail list address so it never appeared hear) which described how to provoke the bug where the info palette appears to go missing. I pointed out it was to the wrong list address and they said "never mind you've got the information now". Alas with the recent XP episode I've lost that email - I lost all email back to the start of June. Given how many years the info pal. thing has been a problem I'm keen to get a copy of the email. So, if you're reading this, please can you let me have another copy? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:19:56 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Crash when rounding corners To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:19:56 +0200 Message-ID: <1fe2984b4e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4e4b15faddjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <4e4b61d55bjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e4b61d55bjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 519 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e4b61d55bjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> John Harrison wrote: > >> >When I edit two frames with coincident upper right corners to 5mm >> >radius, O-Pro crashes. > >> Effectively it is a known problem, OP has some short comings in the way >> it calculates the area to flow text around shaped frames. It is ... just >> the shapes and their relative positions. > > Is there a known work around? ......... Yes, have a slightly different radius. If one has frame has 5mm corners and a 2nd 4.98mm, you will not see a difference. Excepting of course that OP then does not crash. > ................Somehow I have managed to get quite a few > done without crashing. Some I did by cut to another document, round, > and paste back in - but that doesn't always work. Some I found I could > do one, but the next crashed - but that can't be relied on, mostly now > the first attempt seems to crash. Based on my testing OP only crashes in these case if the 2 frames, created separately at different positions with identical corners, have a corner at exactly the same location. A minor offset - probably not seen -(F7 and check X and Y values) avoids a crash. [snip the rest] Hope this helps. -- Greetings, JohnvV From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:37:24 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:37:24 +0200 Message-ID: <687b9a4b4e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <541bd5454e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e45d72a0a ists-nospam@vigay.com> <0f49da454e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e4627bc6ekh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4e4627bc6ekh@waikato.ac.nz> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 520 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e4627bc6ekh@waikato.ac.nz> Keith Hopper wrote: > In article <0f49da454e.janvred@smile.ch>, > JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: >> In message <4e45d72a0alists-nospam@vigay.com> >> Paul Vigay wrote: > > >> [snip] > > >> Flickering also stops if you de-activate !IdxPro (!IdxPro-). > >> And then !TextPal gives no problem. > > Mmmm! Sorry! Although I have IdxPro in the applets directory - along > with the list I gave in an earlier message, I only have the following > active - ColPal, Database, Ligatures, PagePal, StylePal. ???? After earlier messages I now believe there is a stronger inter-action between OP and applets and applets between them. Initially when I started testing, I took out all applets. OP did not like this as the Macro file expected an active Nudge applet. I put that in plus (alphabetically) the first 4 of my list. And checked. As soon as flickering started I deleted 2 applets and checked again. Etc., etc. That is how I came to my first evaluation. I did not mention IdxPro as a valid 32-bit version is not freely available. I also experienced flickering having added some applets. Which stopped when I added another applet ... Time permitting I'll try to investigate further. I have not tried out your set up. But am astonished to see that you do not have the !ColSupp applet active. -- Greetings, JohnvV From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:17:33 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Harrison To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:17:33 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Crash when rounding corners Message-ID: <4e4ba924dajohn@jaharrison.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <1fe2984b4e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4e4b15faddjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <4e4b61d55bjohn@jaharrison.me.uk> <1fe2984 4e.janvred@smile.ch> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.125, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL -0.09, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.21) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 522 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@jaharrison.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > Is there a known work around? ......... > Yes, have a slightly different radius. If one has frame has 5mm > corners and a 2nd 4.98mm, you will not see a difference. Excepting of > course that OP then does not crash. Thanks. That sounds most helpful. John -- John Harrison - using a British Iyonix PC running RISC-OS 5 http://www.jaharrison.me.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:48:47 +1200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:48:47 +1200 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation Message-ID: <4e4bb17f6bkh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <687b9a4b4e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <541bd5454e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e45d72a0a ists-nospam@vigay.com> <0f49da454e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e4627bc6ekh@waikato.ac.nz> <687b9a4b4e.janvred@smile.ch> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 521 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: kh@waikato.ac.nz Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In article <687b9a4b4e.janvred@smile.ch>, JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > In message <4e4627bc6ekh@waikato.ac.nz> > Keith Hopper wrote: [snip] > > Mmmm! Sorry! Although I have IdxPro in the applets directory - along > > with the list I gave in an earlier message, I only have the following > > active - ColPal, Database, Ligatures, PagePal, StylePal. > ???? After earlier messages I now believe there is a stronger > inter-action between OP and applets and applets between them. [snip] > I have not tried out your set up. But am astonished to see that you do > not have the !ColSupp applet active. So far as I know I have never had it active. I haven't changed my configuration (apart from updating as newer applet versions become available) since OvnPro v 2.6 came out. Keith -- Sky Development From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:39:16 +0200 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:39:16 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <541bd5454e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e45d72a0a ists-nospam@vigay.com> <0f49da454e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e4627bc6ekh@waikato.ac.nz> <687b9a4b4e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e4bb17f6bkh@w ikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4e4bb17f6bkh@waikato.ac.nz> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 523 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net In message <4e4bb17f6bkh@waikato.ac.nz> Keith Hopper wrote: [snip] >> > > So far as I know I have never had it active. I haven't changed my > configuration (apart from updating as newer applet versions become > available) since OvnPro v 2.6 came out. I tried out your set up, that is with *only* the 5 applets you mentioned in the Applets directory, and have no flickering. So it would seem that possibly some or other de-activated applet in your applet directory remains somehow active and leads to this flickering you experience. -- Greetings, JohnvV From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:00:38 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:00:38 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OvationPro and memory allocation References: <4e45b796delists-nospam@vigay.com> <541bd5454e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e45d72a0alists-nospam@vigay.com> <0f49da454e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e4627bc6ekh@waikato.ac.nz> <687b9a4b4e.janvred@smile.ch> <4e4bb17f6bkh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 524 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >So it would seem that possibly some or other de-activated applet in >your applet directory remains somehow active and leads to this >flickering you experience. Just a thought, the "flickering" may depend on how much memory anyone's copy of OP happens to use... For example your copy uses 31K and whatever is going on claims another 2K, that happens to step over a memory allocation chunk (say every 4K so 31 goes to 33 and goes over the chunk boundary at 32). Someone else's copy may use 29K another 2K on top of 29 gives 31, not enough to go into another chunk. So it wouldn't be the particular applets, it would be how many applets and how much other stuff was loaded. It is very difficult to get identical instances of a program - for one thing you need to have exactly the same fonts installed. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:16:41 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] OPW Problem with tab leaders MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:16:41 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 525 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Whoops, sent it to the wrong list, here's another go.... I have just encountered some strange behaviour with tab leaders. I'm using OPW 2.90 (29th March) Open a new document type a couple of words and hit tab twice. Select the whole line and open the tab setup window. Add two tabs and set the tab leader of the second tab to '.' You should have something like :- Hello world .................................... Now select the text up to the first tab point and press the bold effect. The tab leader disappears and I cannot get it back without doing an undo. If you don't select the first tab when making things bold it seems OK. Andy Ling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:04:40 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:04:40 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OPW Problem with tab leaders References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 526 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >Now select the text up to the first tab point and press the bold >effect. The tab leader disappears and I cannot get it back >without doing an undo. Thanks for that, I've reproduced the problem, and I'll attempt to fix it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:07:10 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Changing style names in OPW MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:07:10 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 527 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Using OPW 2.90 29th March Renaming styles seems to be broken. Open a new document, Edit styles and add a new style called "test" and click OK. Then edit styles and rename the new style to "style test" and click OK. Then open the style list and the renamed style will be called "sty" Andy Ling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:47:03 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:47:03 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Changing style names in OPW References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 528 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >Renaming styles seems to be broken. Thanks. I've reproduced your example. I'll fix it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:56:10 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:56:10 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Changing style names in OPW References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 529 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >Renaming styles seems to be broken. In fact, I've now fixed it. The problem is just reading the new name from the window - OPW is checking that it is not too long for the destination buffer, but it is using the wrong value for the size of that buffer. A new version of OPW will appear asap. The version on my web site has timed out (demo mode) so there is a need to put up a new one. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:30:25 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org In-Reply-To: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Changing style names in OPW MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:30:25 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 530 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net David Pilling wrote on 31/07/2006 17:56:10: > >Renaming styles seems to be broken. > > In fact, I've now fixed it. > Great, thanks > A new version of OPW will appear asap. The version on my web site has > timed out (demo mode) so there is a need to put up a new one. > Will that include a fix for the tab leading too? ;-) Regards Andy Ling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:10:05 +0100 X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:10:05 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Changing style names in OPW References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 531 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-to: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-to: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at avenirtech.net >Will that include a fix for the tab leading too? ;-) I hope. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941