From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 5 14:47:49 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FFr2R-1HWknw-02-COy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:47:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FFr2R-1HWknw-02-COy; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:04:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FFr2R-1HWknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:04:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FFr2R-0005BX-8A for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:04:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A73C02B9DB8; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32594-05; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DC522B9D6E; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 05 Mar 2006 06:03:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E81192B9D4A for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32400-06 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F9192B9AD5 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl82-163-191-198.as15444.net [82.163.191.198]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k25B3UvX004703 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:03:36 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 12:18:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Impression to OPro - page numbering Message-ID: <4e0251a428ray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4e01d868b5ray@rayfavre.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.067, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.02, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 73 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@rayfavre.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >The Impression original has 47 chapters (there was a good reason > >at the time!) and most of them are grouped - using Impression's > >facility to allow different 'chapters' to have the same chapter > >number. > That is news to me - which may say a lot about what follows. Yes, when you create/alter an Impression 'chapter' you have the option to 're-start' both its chapter number and page number. If you, say, change several consecutive chapter numbers to be the same and do not re-start the chapter number at 1 each time, the visible/printed chapter numbering will stay the same and the page numbering will run consecutively throughout - and any indexing will reflect this. (See Dr Wimp Manual as an example.) > >I am resigned to a bit of a slog (probably to get rid of the 47 > >chapters in the Impression version) but I thought I'd ask here > >first for any ideas. > I might be inclined to take a text editor to the DDL version i.e. > for combining chapters. That's a thought. I'll have a delve. --=20 Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 5 14:47:49 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FFr2R-1HXknw-02-COy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:47:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FFr2R-1HXknw-02-COy; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:04:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FFr2R-1HXknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:04:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FFr2R-0001dK-4p for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:04:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FBD22B9AD5; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32604-02; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 470A42B9B60; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 05 Mar 2006 06:03:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 137AF2B9AD5 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32395-08 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BB0092B9D38 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl82-163-191-198.as15444.net [82.163.191.198]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k25B3UvZ004703 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:03:36 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 12:28:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Impression to OPro - page numbering Message-ID: <4e02528d47ray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <0975ee014e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> References: <4e01d868b5ray@rayfavre.me.uk> <0975ee014e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.067, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.02, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 74 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@rayfavre.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <0975ee014e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com>, JayCee wrote: > In message <4e01d868b5ray@rayfavre.me.uk> Ray Favre > wrote: > > You may have seen a request here about getting an OPro version of > > the Dr Wimp Manual - which I foolishly agreed to try to provide! > >=20 > [snip conversion problems] > Ray as the person who asked about the manual it may not be worth > your while expending so much effort on just one request. > Can I ask anyone who is using DrWimp and OPro to post here to > indicate to Ray how much this conversion is actually needed. At > the moment I get round it by renumbering the master page bottom > frames by changing 1-4 all to 1, 2-42 all to 2 etc (not the > correct chapter numbers just illustrating). Of course indexing and > contents are all screwed up and you do get some pages with large > blanks at the bottom but it is useable. I appreciate the thought but your request made me think about the longer term future of the current Dr Wimp Manual structure - which was originally set up with the hope that I could simplify Manual updates for the many users out there. But this has so far eluded me and it's worth looking a simpler structure - and one that will easily convert to OPro. And before someone asks - I am wedded to Impression for large documents mainly because it has unparalleled indexing and Style-searching facilities, which I personally find very useful to my style of working. It does have shortcomings as well.......... :-) --=20 Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 5 14:47:50 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FFrsM-2dlknw-07-BZ3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:47:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FFrsM-2dlknw-07-BZ3; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:58:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FFrsM-2dlknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:58:14 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FFrsL-00045R-O2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:58:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 27E7E2B8CBA; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04845-06; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDC5A2B9227; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:58:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 05 Mar 2006 06:57:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93EFB2B8CBA for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04770-08 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B8342B8603 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 06:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k25BvO5K020186 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:57:27 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 11:24:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Impression to OPro - page numbering Message-ID: <4e02d07b36bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4e01d868b5ray@rayfavre.me.uk> <4e01ecdeb4bric@f2s.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 75 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bric@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , JayCee wrote: > In message <4e01ecdeb4bric@f2s.com> Brian Carroll > wrote: [Snip] > > Ho, ho, ho! I shall keep this to trot out when next I see a > > eulogy on how superior OP is over Impression :-)) > That's really helpful - it helps to show what level luddites > brains work at. You probably missed the smiley? But you are right, I could have given some help such as the following: I have once or twice changed the page/chapter structure by inserting pages (a pair will appear if you are using left/right pages in your master) inside or at the end of a particular chapter. Into these new blank pages I copy/paste complete fully-grouped page contents from further on in the document. The originating pages can be deleted if necessary and subsequent ones will shuffle up. This will retain the indexing mark-up but you will of course have to regenerate the index itself. Brian. --=20 ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 5 14:57:41 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FFueu-32kVbs-07-8mV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:57:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FFueu-32kVbs-07-8mV; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 14:56:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FFueu-32kVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 14:56:32 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FFuep-0003su-8P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 14:56:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B44412B9D53; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27570-06; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C0602B9D65; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 05 Mar 2006 09:55:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 076A42B9DD9 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:55:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27481-02 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 031482B9DAE for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 09:55:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FFudX-000FYZ-7m for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 14:55:07 +0000 Message-ID: <8g89EvAFuvCEFwOV@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:53:57 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Impression to OPro - page numbering References: <4e01d868b5ray@rayfavre.me.uk> <4e0251a428ray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e0251a428ray@rayfavre.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 76 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> That is news to me - which may say a lot about what follows. I've now recalled... the Page->Modify Chapter window has a button "count=20 preceding blank pages" which lets page numbers across chapters give the=20 correct result when chapters always start on the right. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:16:15 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:17:57 +0100 From: John Bridger To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Guide Lines Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 77 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jbridger@pinion.ndo.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) OvationPro RiscOS Guide Lines Can anyone tell me if it is possible to put horizontal guide lines on the right hand page of a double page spread, and if so how?=20 John Bridger From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 6 14:08:21 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FGE78-0umknw-02-Etp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:08:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FGE78-0umknw-02-Etp; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:42:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FGE78-0umknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:42:58 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FGE78-0001fe-6R for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:42:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8BAC2BA251; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 06:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29406-02; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 06:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 500332B9FEF; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 06:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 06 Mar 2006 06:42:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC3E42BA282 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 06:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29280-04 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 06:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A0D62BA0B1 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 06:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [62.180.24.190] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu10) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML31I-1FGE6L24wa-0003cM; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:42:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Guide Lines To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:42:18 +0100 Message-ID: <4df455034e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 78 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,CLICK_BELOW,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message John Bridger wrote: > OvationPro RiscOS Guide Lines >=20 > Can anyone tell me if it is possible to put horizontal guide > lines on the right hand page of a double page spread, and > if so how? Yes, it is possible, but your question confuses me a bit. What is so=20 special about a horizontal guide line on a right hand page? Do you=20 mean you have no problems with, say, a vertical line on a right hand=20 page or with a horizontal line on a left hand page, but just=20 horizontal lines on right hand pages are a problem? Or did you really mean to ask "How do I create a guide line"? If so,=20 choose "Page =3D> Edit master pages...", then switch on the ruler, then=20 click somewhere on the ruler where you want the guide line to be=20 located. So, if you have a double-sided master page, you go to the right hand=20 master page and you click somewhere on the vertical ruler, then you do=20 indeed get a horizontal guideline on a right hand page. Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 6 14:08:21 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FGEGc-1bnknw-06-EkL."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:08:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FGEGc-1bnknw-06-EkL; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:52:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FGEGc-1bnknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:52:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FGEGb-0005wj-Sv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:52:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F5092BA310; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 06:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30452-10; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 06:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC2712BA495; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 06:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 06 Mar 2006 06:51:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA4292BA310 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 06:51:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30359-02 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 06:51:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (A.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5CC9B2BA43D for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 06:51:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from 47.82.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.82.47] helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGEFp-0006KP-Vn for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:51:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:51:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Guide Lines Message-ID: <4e0356d08bgav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 79 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , John Bridger wrote: > OvationPro RiscOS Guide Lines > Can anyone tell me if it is possible to put horizontal guide > lines on the right hand page of a double page spread, and > if so how?=20 Scroll the window so that the right hand page is under the ruler. --=20 Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 6 14:28:10 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FGGfN-2qSGPo-01-CLa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:28:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FGGfN-2qSGPo-01-CLa; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:26:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FGGfN-2qSGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:26:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FGGfN-0002hz-9t for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:26:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A27682BA023; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19394-03; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42DCE2B9BB2; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 06 Mar 2006 09:25:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1607C2BA023 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19165-04 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0D602B9AFF for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:25:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FGGec-000AF9-0j for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:25:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:24:35 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Guide Lines References: <4df455034e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <4df455034e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 80 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Yes, it is possible, but your question confuses me a bit. What is so >special about a horizontal guide line on a right hand page? The special thing is you click on the ruler at the left hand side to=20 create a guideline, that leads to the problem how do you prevent the=20 line being created on the left hand page. As Gavin Crawford has said, the solution is to scroll so that the right=20 hand page is under the ruler. Or you could turn off facing pages view=20 and then create your guidelines. (going via the clipboard is another possibility, but it doesn't seem to=20 work fully on Windows) >So, if you have a double-sided master page, you go to the right hand Master pages don't have to be involved. Although you can put the=20 guidelines on them if you want. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 6 17:58:20 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FGJqA-4dFVbs-04-9An."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:58:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FGJqA-4dFVbs-04-9An; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:49:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FGJqA-4dFVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:49:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FGJqA-00077w-7Z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:49:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 787BB2BA0A1; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:49:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19756-03; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:49:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 209A32B9588; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:49:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:49:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 605022BA743 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19445-02 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-08.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.43]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 225122BA73C for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.224.131) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.070) id 43CF0E680043B82A for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:49:01 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tab leaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:21:35 +0100 Message-ID: <740475034e.janvred@smile.ch> References: <427a85014e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 81 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message JayCee wrote: =3DA0[snip] > Thanks David and Martin for your very quick replies. >=3D20 > You do have to select whch tab the leader applies to, I imagined it > would be a general choice. It now works correctly, I did check in the > manual before mailing but that does not mention having to select a tab > first. I wonder. On page 63 of the manual I read at the end of the left=3D20 column: Different Tab leader strings can be set for each tab. The string shown in the icon will be for the currently selected tab. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ How to select Tabs is mentioned on page 61 under "Move tags". Greetings, JohnvV --=3D20 Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 6 18:38:22 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FGKWn-2AxGPo-01-H0g."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:38:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FGKWn-2AxGPo-01-H0g; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:33:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FGKWn-2AxGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:33:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FGKWm-00022u-W4 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:33:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60AEE2BA87D; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 13:33:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26394-09; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 13:33:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F22552BA740; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 13:33:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 06 Mar 2006 13:33:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A1B92BA893 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 13:33:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26285-04 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 13:33:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB5EC2BA88E for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 13:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060306183306.ZNMH29066.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:33:06 +0000 Received: from ntlworld ([81.109.183.72]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060306183306.NRHW11653.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:33:06 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tab leaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.29b1 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:27:04 GMT Message-ID: References: <427a85014e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <740475034e.janvred@smile.ch> In-Reply-To: <740475034e.janvred@smile.ch> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 82 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <740475034e.janvred@smile.ch> JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > In message > JayCee wrote: >=20 > =3DA0[snip] >=20 >> Thanks David and Martin for your very quick replies. >>=3D20 >> You do have to select whch tab the leader applies to, I imagined it >> would be a general choice. It now works correctly, I did check in the >> manual before mailing but that does not mention having to select a tab >> first. >=20 > I wonder. On page 63 of the manual I read at the end of the left=3D20 > column: >=20 > Different Tab leader strings can be set for each tab. The string > shown in the icon will be for the currently selected tab. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >=20 > How to select Tabs is mentioned on page 61 under "Move tags". Yes you are correct, having used tab leaders before I think I read=20 what I thought I should see rather than what was actually there -=20 apologies to those who took the time to respond to my query. --=20 JayCee From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 7 13:58:33 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FGZ7a-3QdVbs-05-AwP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 13:58:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FGZ7a-3QdVbs-05-AwP; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 10:08:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FGZ7a-3QdVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 10:08:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FGZ7a-0001k1-Dy for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 10:08:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D6FA62BA0C7; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 05:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29835-09; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 05:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 720852BA150; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 05:08:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Mar 2006 05:08:04 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39AF12BA0C7 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 05:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29761-02 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 05:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from flame.hosts.ndo.com (flame.hosts.ndo.com [195.7.228.19]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EF4E22BA0B0 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 05:08:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm4-00-58.dial.thm.netdirect-online.co.uk ([195.7.235.58] helo=pinion.ndo.co.uk.jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk) by flame.hosts.ndo.com with esmtp (NDO SMTP Pool (Abuse to: abuse@ndo.com)) id 1FGZ6n-00066u-00 for ; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 10:08:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:09:59 +0100 From: John Bridger To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Recto horizontal guide lines Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 83 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jbridger@pinion.ndo.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Re guide lines on recto (right-hand) pages My thanks for the answers on this problem. As often, the answer was simple. I had actually tried scrolling the right-hand page across and adjacent to the rule - but I didn't overlap them. Another 2mm and I would have solved it!! Nothing 'special' (David and Martin) about guide lines on the recto - but if I need such on the verso then surely it follows that I need them on the recto. As you might deduce, I have only recently discovered how useful they are. In setting up a layout grid with them I can be sure that pics will align to that grid without any further calculations. Many thanks again. John Bridger From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 7 14:58:26 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FGdVd-2F9000-02-F4s."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:58:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FGdVd-2F9000-02-F4s; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:49:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FGdVd-2F9000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:49:57 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FGdVZ-0002EE-Gy for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:49:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 63AD42BAB3C; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30862-02; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:39:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0307B2BADD6; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:38:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5D8A12BABDE for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:38:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30759-04 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:38:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60D2A2BA50B for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 09:38:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FGdKG-000Piw-8N for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:38:13 +0000 Message-ID: <92udh7ALqZDEFwns@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 14:36:59 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro for Windows Printed Manuals Ship MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 84 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Just eighteen months late... A printed manual is now available for the=3D= 20 Windows version of Ovation Pro. If you paid =3DA3100 to buy a copy of=3D2= 0 Ovation Pro for Windows outright then over the next couple of weeks a=3D2= 0 copy of the printed manual will be sent to you. Which is a way of saying, if you've changed your address please let me=3D= 20 know. --=3D20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 7 15:08:27 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FGdlW-3Ut000-05-Eoz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:08:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FGdlW-3Ut000-05-Eoz; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:06:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FGdlW-3Ut000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:06:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FGdlW-00038J-9r for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:06:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABFA62B9C9D; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02772-01; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4011F2BA44C; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Mar 2006 10:05:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DCA12BA446 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02578-04 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 169C72BA489 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060307150532.ODSN29066.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:05:32 +0000 Received: from ntlworld ([81.109.183.72]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060307150532.SIGV1347.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 15:05:32 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows Printed Manuals Ship To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.29b1 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:03:43 GMT Message-ID: <253bec034e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> References: <92udh7ALqZDEFwns@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <92udh7ALqZDEFwns@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 85 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <92udh7ALqZDEFwns@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Just eighteen months late... A printed manual is now available for the=3D= 20 > Windows version of Ovation Pro. If you paid =3DA3100 to buy a copy of=3D= 20 > Ovation Pro for Windows outright then over the next couple of weeks a=3D= 20 > copy of the printed manual will be sent to you. >=20 > Which is a way of saying, if you've changed your address please let me=3D= 20 > know. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=3D20 I haven't got a windows copy so won't expect a manual - but would like=20 to know what all the '=3D20' sprinkled around are - I have noticed them=20 in some of my mails too. --=20 JayCee From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 7 17:58:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FGgIb-2QZGPo-07-CHu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:58:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FGgIb-2QZGPo-07-CHu; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:48:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FGgIb-2QZGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:48:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FGgIb-0003tg-ES for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:48:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E96112BABA0; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:48:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30640-10; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:48:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D9D52BA629; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:48:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Mar 2006 12:47:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39A782BABA0 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30539-09 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2DBC2BAB76 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FGgHp-000CVi-Ep for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:47:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:46:16 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows Printed Manuals Ship References: <92udh7ALqZDEFwns@pilling.demon.co.uk> <253bec034e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <253bec034e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 86 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I haven't got a windows copy so won't expect a manual - but would like >to know what all the '=3D20' sprinkled around are - I have noticed them >in some of my mails too. It is some sort of encoding. Code 20 is space. I guess that my use of=20 the pound sign provoked it. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 7 18:28:36 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FGguT-1zp000-06-Bg2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 18:28:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FGguT-1zp000-06-Bg2; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:27:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FGguT-1zp000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:27:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FGguR-0001wj-Da for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:27:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 183682BA062; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 13:27:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04803-09; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 13:27:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A4B4B2BA6D9; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 13:27:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Mar 2006 13:26:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D83C2BA5EE for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 13:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04637-06 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 13:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE0CD2BA062 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 13:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-180-182.as15444.net [82.163.180.182]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k27IQV8J005326 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 18:26:31 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows Printed Manuals Ship To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:25:36 GMT Message-ID: References: <92udh7ALqZDEFwns@pilling.demon.co.uk> <253bec034e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.101, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.05, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 87 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 7 Mar 2006 David Pilling wrote: >>I haven't got a windows copy so won't expect a manual - but would like >>to know what all the '=3D20' sprinkled around are - I have noticed them >>in some of my mails too. >=20 > It is some sort of encoding. Code 20 is space. I guess that my use of > the pound sign provoked it. And the use of the Dark Side? :-) With best wishes, Peter. --=20 Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 7 23:08:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FGlCp-1FnGPo-06-FuC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 23:08:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FGlCp-1FnGPo-06-FuC; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:03:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FGlCp-1FnGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:03:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FGlCo-0000Tf-LT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:03:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EFB62BA875; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 18:02:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12132-01; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 18:02:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0880F2BA613; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 18:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:01:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 800122BA812 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 18:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11907-06 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 18:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0692F2BA656 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 18:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B86E0000FF for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2006 23:01:25 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20060307224011.03638a90@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 22:41:24 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Phillip Marsden Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows Printed Manuals Ship In-Reply-To: References: <92udh7ALqZDEFwns@pilling.demon.co.uk> <253bec034e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 88 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: phillip.marsden@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 18:25 07/03/2006, Dr Peter Young wrote: >On 7 Mar 2006 David Pilling wrote: > > >>I haven't got a windows copy so won't expect a manual - but would lik= e > >>to know what all the '=3D20' sprinkled around are - I have noticed th= em > >>in some of my mails too. > > > > It is some sort of encoding. Code 20 is space. I guess that my use of > > the pound sign provoked it. > >And the use of the Dark Side? :-) The '=3D20' started appearing after the change to the new mailing list.=20 Perhaps the answer lies in some settings? --=20 Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com =20 --=20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/275 - Release Date: 06/03/2006 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 8 18:19:28 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FH3F8-31qVbs-08-Euv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 18:19:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FH3F8-31qVbs-08-Euv; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:18:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FH3F8-31qVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:18:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FH3F7-0004Kb-G5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:18:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8D9F2BA8E0; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07483-03; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 924002BAC57; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 08 Mar 2006 13:17:52 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D1162BA8E0 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07386-04 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com (smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.158]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44E612BABF9 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3004.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D28881C001D4 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 19:17:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-1352.wfd75a.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.149.72]) by mwinf3004.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 9D8461C001CF for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 19:17:51 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060308181751645.9D8461C001CF@mwinf3004.me.freeserve.com Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:17:47 GMT From: Alan Adams To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows Printed Manuals Ship Message-ID: <81d581044e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <92udh7ALqZDEFwns@pilling.demon.co.uk> <253bec034e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20060307224011.03638a90@mail.btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20060307224011.03638a90@mail.btinternet.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 89 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <6.0.3.0.2.20060307224011.03638a90@mail.btinternet.com> you wr= ote: > At 18:25 07/03/2006, Dr Peter Young wrote: >=20 > >On 7 Mar 2006 David Pilling wrote: > > > > >>I haven't got a windows copy so won't expect a manual - but would l= ike > > >>to know what all the '=3D20' sprinkled around are - I have noticed = them > > >>in some of my mails too. > > > > > > It is some sort of encoding. Code 20 is space. I guess that my use = of > > > the pound sign provoked it. > > > >And the use of the Dark Side? :-) >=20 > The '=3D20' started appearing after the change to the new mailing list.= =20 > Perhaps the answer lies in some settings? >=20 It happened to at least one post of mine. Messenger Pro sent it marked as Quoted-Printable, which is correct, and the list forwarded it as Text/Pla= in, without altering the quoted-printable content. That is incorrect behaviou= r from the list handler. --=20 Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 8 20:09:32 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FH4sY-0oS000-06-DHV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:09:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FH4sY-0oS000-06-DHV; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:03:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FH4sY-0oS000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:03:26 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FH4sX-00005X-Rp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:03:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3AA1C2BA5DA; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25154-02; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D339F2BA641; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 08 Mar 2006 15:02:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 97DBE2BA5DA for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24981-03 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 674442BA19B for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FH4rj-0003tv-Gg for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:02:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:01:33 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows Printed Manuals Ship References: <92udh7ALqZDEFwns@pilling.demon.co.uk> <253bec034e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20060307224011.03638a90@mail.btinternet.com> <81d581044e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <81d581044e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 90 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >It happened to at least one post of mine. Messenger Pro sent it marked a= s >Quoted-Printable, which is correct, and the list forwarded it as Text/Pl= ai=3D n, >without altering the quoted-printable content. That is incorrect behavio= ur >from the list handler. Thanks for that. I've tweeked the list config. So a test =3DA3=3DA3=3DA3=3D= A3=3DA3 --=3D20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 8 20:49:33 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FH5Y1-2n0000-05-Cc2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:49:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FH5Y1-2n0000-05-Cc2; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:46:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FH5Y1-2n0000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:46:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FH5XQ-0005Iu-Fz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:46:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08DC12BAC69; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31525-07; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A57842BAD92; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 08 Mar 2006 15:44:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 82FDD2BAE03 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31399-04 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50BC42BAF20 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 15:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C14E000432 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:44:44 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20060308204327.023cfe70@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 20:44:41 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Phillip Marsden Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro for Windows Printed Manuals Ship In-Reply-To: References: <92udh7ALqZDEFwns@pilling.demon.co.uk> <253bec034e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20060307224011.03638a90@mail.btinternet.com> <81d581044e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 91 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: phillip.marsden@btinternet.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 20:01 08/03/2006, David Pilling wrote: > >It happened to at least one post of mine. Messenger Pro sent it marked= as > >Quoted-Printable, which is correct, and the list forwarded it as Text/= Plai=3D >n, > >without altering the quoted-printable content. That is incorrect behav= iour > >from the list handler. > >Thanks for that. I've tweeked the list config. So a test =3DA3=3DA3=3DA3= =3DA3=3DA3 > >--=3D20 >David Pilling Well, at least the test shows that your email client is inserting the spa= ce=20 after the signature separator. :o) --=20 Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com =20 --=20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/276 - Release Date: 07/03/2006 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 9 14:12:53 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHJlg-3gaknw-06-FRP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:12:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHJlg-3gaknw-06-FRP; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:57:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHJlg-3gaknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:57:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHJlf-00066K-MT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:57:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35B4A2BA90A; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28588-02; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C79072BA82F; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:56:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22C4C2BA733 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28471-09 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta1.iomartmail.com (mta1.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.151]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BFFB02BA6C6 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mta1.iomartmail.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k29BuWCE012379 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:56:32 GMT Received: from GERALDRAID (cpc1-swin1-0-0-cust792.brhm.cable.ntl.com [81.109.91.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by mta1.iomartmail.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k29BuS4c012206 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:56:32 GMT Message-ID: <013901c64370$8120dad0$6501a8c0@GERALDRAID> From: "Gerald OvPro" To: "OvPro" Subject: [softwarelist] A Nastie in the system Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:56:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 92 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ovpro@abacusline.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_10,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I am getting spam sent to my OvPro email address. The quote below are the headers. Please note the line: To: softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net The topic of the email is about my Barclay bank account. I don't have one. Gerald Return-Path: Received: from cyrus1.iomartmail.com ([unix socket]) by cyrus1.iomartmail.com (Cyrus v2.2.3) with LMTP; Sun, 05 Mar 2006=20 16:08:10 +0000 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from mta5.iomartmail.com (mta5.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.208]) by cyrus1.iomartmail.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k25G89Ga005221 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:08:09 GMT Received: from mta5.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mta5.iomartmail.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k25G6qp6027324 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:06:52 GMT Received: from mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net (mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net=20 [213.253.179.5]) by mta5.iomartmail.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k25G6oWZ027247 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:06:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=3Dsvr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FFwgl-00014E-Pv; Sun, 05 Mar=20 2006 17:06:35 +0000 Received: from [212.53.64.24] (helo=3Dwebsrv4.netbenefit.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FFvcm-0000ON-9f for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:58:24=20 +0000 Received: from web17799 by websrv4.netbenefit.co.uk with local (NetBenefi= t=20 2.0) id 1FFvci-0006uQ-2T for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:58:20=20 +0000 To: softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net From: Barclays Bank PLC Reply-To: Security@barclays.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:58:20 +0000 X-NAS-Bayes: #0: 1; #1: 1.27614E-037 Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Update Your Information. X-NAS-Classification: 1 X-NAS-MessageID: 1110 X-NAS-Validation: {081FA7D6-688B-4543-88CE-9BDDA925A9AD} =20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 9 14:12:55 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHJtF-4Nzknw-01-FJq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:12:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHJtF-4Nzknw-01-FJq; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:05:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHJtF-4Nzknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:05:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHJtE-0000mT-If for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:05:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5A202BA89C; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:05:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29528-10; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:05:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 635C82BA89D; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:05:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Mar 2006 07:04:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9019D2BA89C for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29473-01 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50ABF2BA63B for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from nthompsonbrent.demon.co.uk ([80.176.150.206] helo=noelpc) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FHJs6-000A53-5d for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:04:04 +0000 Message-ID: <003201c64371$8c2f18a0$0301a8c0@noelpc> From: "Noel Thompson" To: References: <013901c64370$8120dad0$6501a8c0@GERALDRAID> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Nastie in the system Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:03:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 93 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: nbwt@waitrose.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This sounds like the latest scam. Barclays have warned their on-line=20 customers about it, urging them not to reply to it and not to supply any=20 personal information. Noel Thompson. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Gerald OvPro" To: "OvPro" Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:56 AM Subject: [softwarelist] A Nastie in the system I am getting spam sent to my OvPro email address. The quote below are the headers. Please note the line: To: softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net The topic of the email is about my Barclay bank account. I don't have one. Gerald Return-Path: Received: from cyrus1.iomartmail.com ([unix socket]) by cyrus1.iomartmail.com (Cyrus v2.2.3) with LMTP; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 16:08:10 +0000 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from mta5.iomartmail.com (mta5.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.208]) by cyrus1.iomartmail.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k25G89Ga005221 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:08:09 GMT Received: from mta5.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mta5.iomartmail.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k25G6qp6027324 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:06:52 GMT Received: from mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net (mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net [213.253.179.5]) by mta5.iomartmail.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k25G6oWZ027247 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:06:50 GMT Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=3Dsvr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FFwgl-00014E-Pv; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 17:06:35 +0000 Received: from [212.53.64.24] (helo=3Dwebsrv4.netbenefit.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FFvcm-0000ON-9f for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:58:24 +0000 Received: from web17799 by websrv4.netbenefit.co.uk with local (NetBenefi= t 2.0) id 1FFvci-0006uQ-2T for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:58:20 +0000 To: softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net From: Barclays Bank PLC Reply-To: Security@barclays.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 15:58:20 +0000 X-NAS-Bayes: #0: 1; #1: 1.27614E-037 Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Update Your Information. X-NAS-Classification: 1 X-NAS-MessageID: 1110 X-NAS-Validation: {081FA7D6-688B-4543-88CE-9BDDA925A9AD} From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 9 14:12:58 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHKvh-0KdGPo-01-EHO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:12:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHKvh-0KdGPo-01-EHO; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:11:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHKvh-0KdGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:11:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHKvg-0003Hu-JQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:11:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B7FDB2BABB0; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07769-02; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56ECF2BAB10; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:09:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39A552BAC15 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07641-01 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F2A72BAB41 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:09:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [87.113.79.172] (helo=patbryan.plus.com) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1FHKtL-00037o-Gs for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:09:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:11:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Barcays Bank Message-ID: <4e04e9a790patbryan@patbryan.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 94 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: patbryan@patbryan.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,NO_REAL_NAME,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi We've had two of those as well but we can't decide whether they're someon= e trying to fool us or hoaxes. We haven't looked at the websites given but the addresses look a bit weird to me. Pat and Bryan --=20 Using a British Risc PC running RISC OS Select and the Pluto mail and newsreader. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 9 14:13:02 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHLAj-1TUGPo-05-E2M."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:13:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHLAj-1TUGPo-05-E2M; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:27:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHLAj-1TUGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:27:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHLAj-00057b-2I for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:27:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7605A2BA6ED; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10247-09; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 172BE2BA3E1; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:26:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8AB942BA6ED for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10108-02 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 335962BA657 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-180-182.as15444.net [82.163.180.182]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k29DQNqs018697 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:26:24 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Barcays Bank To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:26:25 GMT Message-ID: <69feea044e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4e04e9a790patbryan@patbryan.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4e04e9a790patbryan@patbryan.plus.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.091, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 95 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 9 Mar 2006 wrote: > Hi > We've had two of those as well but we can't decide whether they're some= one > trying to fool us or hoaxes. We haven't looked at the websites given bu= t > the addresses look a bit weird to me. > Pat and Bryan Barclays, and I think the other banks, say that they never send=20 e-mails to customers. All "bank" e-mails here are filtered straight=20 into the bin. With best wishes, Peter. --=20 Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 9 14:32:04 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHM68-3FG000-01-D6x."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:32:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHM68-3FG000-01-D6x; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:26:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHM68-3FG000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:26:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHM68-0006Hx-8z for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:26:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6DA372BAF64; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20330-09; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 146B72BB0D6; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:25:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3CD42BAF64 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20078-09 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FCA62BAFB0 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FHM5E-0005pu-DT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:25:40 +0000 Message-ID: <8M49P+ANqDEEFw8I@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:24:13 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Nastie in the system References: <013901c64370$8120dad0$6501a8c0@GERALDRAID> In-Reply-To: <013901c64370$8120dad0$6501a8c0@GERALDRAID> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 96 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I am getting spam sent to my OvPro email address. Firstly, I have had 1000's of emails from "Barclays" and I don't have an=20 account with them. The same goes for some of the other major banks. As=20 the banks say, do not reply or follow any instructions, some of them are=20 quite tempting. Much more serious is if the mail list is being used to send spam. The=20 old list, run by Neil Spellings company was turned off yesterday. I=20 gather from the header that the spam came from that source. So to some extent the problem is now solved because the old list is no=20 longer running. However I doubt the spam came directly through the list.=20 I didn't get a copy. If anyone sees something similar, let me know and I'll follow up the=20 matter. It's a mystery to me how anyone copes with using eBay, such is the=20 density of fake emails. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 9 14:32:04 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHMB0-3bZ000-08-D25."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 14:32:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHMB0-3bZ000-08-D25; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:31:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHMB0-3bZ000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:31:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHMAz-0002Xv-Os for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:31:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDD892BAFC5; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:31:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21549-08; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:31:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6C08F2BAFF2; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:31:35 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:30:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C7B02BB162 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21334-06 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.61]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 91C382BB15F for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [82.43.78.244] (helo=Workhouse.Home) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FHMA9-0006p7-Pu for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:30:45 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Barcays Bank To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.09 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:30:30 GMT Message-ID: <90dcf0044e.Geoff@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <4e04e9a790patbryan@patbryan.plus.com> <69feea044e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <69feea044e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.27 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 97 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: geoff.potter@blueyonder.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <69feea044e.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 9 Mar 2006 wrote: >=20 >> Hi >> We've had two of those as well but we can't decide whether they're som= eone >> trying to fool us or hoaxes. We haven't looked at the websites given b= ut >> the addresses look a bit weird to me. >> Pat and Bryan >=20 > Barclays, and I think the other banks, say that they never send > e-mails to customers. All "bank" e-mails here are filtered straight > into the bin. >=20 > With best wishes, >=20 > Peter. >=20 Forward a copy to: internetsecurity@barclays.co.uk I have a folder for a few companies that have an internet security=20 team to handle hoax/phishing emails. I just forward them on. If you have any problems just send me your bank details;-) Geoff Potter --=20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 9 15:02:02 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHMX9-0maknw-08-Cfw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:02:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHMX9-0maknw-08-Cfw; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:54:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHMX9-0maknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:54:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHMX8-0001LN-UI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:54:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E605C2BA321; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25244-07; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70E3F2BA24A; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:53:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC90F2BA323 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:53:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25113-06 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:53:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.69.126]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6FE32BA307 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:53:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-119-199.teleos-web.de [213.182.119.199]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 56631394DF5 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:53:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:53:49 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.55) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 09 Mar 2006 15:53:48 +0100 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:53:48 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Nastie in the system Message-ID: <7cfef2044e.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <8M49P+ANqDEEFw8I@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8M49P+ANqDEEFw8I@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (RemoteNB/1.55) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 98 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <8M49P+ANqDEEFw8I@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > I am getting spam sent to my OvPro email address. >=20 > Firstly, I have had 1000's of emails from "Barclays" and I don't have a= n=20 > account with them. The same goes for some of the other major banks. As=20 > the banks say, do not reply or follow any instructions, some of them ar= e=20 > quite tempting. >=20 [snip] Have to admit I've always felt some sort of moral obligation to answer those bank-mails. o.k. I do submit bogus data, but don't those poor fellas deserve a bit of attention? Regards --=20 Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 9 15:42:04 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHN8r-4BDknw-07-C4E."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:42:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHN8r-4BDknw-07-C4E; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:33:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHN8r-4BDknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:33:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHN8r-0001L8-71 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:33:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1C19E2BAF18; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00543-05; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B71A72BB04B; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:33:27 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Mar 2006 10:32:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 88D872BAF18 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:32:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32715-10 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:32:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4FE0D2BAF36 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:32:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FHN83-000NIK-CM for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:32:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:03:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Barcays Bank Message-ID: <4e04f3db91john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e04e9a790patbryan@patbryan.plus.com> References: <4e04e9a790patbryan@patbryan.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 99 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 09 Mar, wrote: > Hi > We've had two of those as well but we can't decide whether they're some= one > trying to fool us or hoaxes. We haven't looked at the websites given bu= t > the addresses look a bit weird to me. If you get an e-mail from a bank it's a hoax. Delete it and forget it or report it to the police, the bank, or your ISP. Do not reply. Don't read = it except as an exercise in seeing how the deviant and devious work. --=20 John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing =20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 9 16:22:07 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHNq9-3KcVbs-02-BMw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:22:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHNq9-3KcVbs-02-BMw; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:18:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHNq9-3KcVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:18:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHNq9-0000lJ-0K for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:18:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 442312BB25A; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09438-06; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DFE142BB19B; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:17:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 798552BB22B for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09199-09 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com (mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7108F2BB20F for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1FHNpD-0006Da-07; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:17:15 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (XLRziUZHYeRvUcMuh4RiH9CZTcGkODpzEnQjwi7mRvrO+qfBqx0-kr@[84.156.254.124]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1FHNoz-2EgQHg0; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:17:01 +0100 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.106] helo=veni) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1FHNoy-0008DI-00 for ; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:17:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:16:56 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] RTF Files Message-ID: <4effdbf79asbellon@sbellon.de> References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com> <534f61014e.michael@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: <534f61014e.michael@talibard.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-type: text/plain X-ID: XLRziUZHYeRvUcMuh4RiH9CZTcGkODpzEnQjwi7mRvrO+qfBqx0-kr@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 824e9173-a359-4b6b-82a1-ab8a4cbebfb4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 100 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: sbellon@sbellon.de Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) michael talibard wrote: > > And very expensive (at =3DA399) for an OPro RTF loader=3D20 > Sorry to reply to my own: that of course is meant to=20 > read " at [pound-sign]99" - why are these things so tricky? Because you should have switched to the Euro long time ago. ;-) *duck* --=20 Stefan Bellon From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 9 17:42:10 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHP1T-1J7000-01-ABc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 17:42:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHP1T-1J7000-01-ABc; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:33:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHP1T-1J7000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:33:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHP1S-0001RO-TM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:33:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1590A2BA51C; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23844-09; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B12E92BA782; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:33:57 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:33:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B90A2BA51C for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23596-09 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id B54D12BAB39 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:33:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 86986 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2006 17:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Iyonix) (brian?howlett@btinternet.com@86.131.226.24 with plain) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2006 17:33:11 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Nastie in the system To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:32:38 GMT Message-ID: <358901054e.Brian@brianhowlett.me.uk> References: <8M49P+ANqDEEFw8I@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8M49P+ANqDEEFw8I@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: You havin' a laff or wot? User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 101 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian.groups@brianhowlett.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 9 Mar, David Pilling wrote: >> I am getting spam sent to my OvPro email address. [snip] >=20 > Much more serious is if the mail list is being used to send spam. The > old list, run by Neil Spellings company was turned off yesterday. I > gather from the header that the spam came from that source. >=20 > So to some extent the problem is now solved because the old list is no > longer running. However I doubt the spam came directly through the list= . > I didn't get a copy. >=20 > If anyone sees something similar, let me know and I'll follow up the > matter. >=20 [snip] >=20 I've certainly spotted a number of these in my ISP's spam folder when=20 I've been checking for false positives. Just because the From: address belongs to the old list doesn't=20 necessarily mean the spam is originating from one of Neil's PC's. If=20 they are coming from an infected PC, the From: address could be=20 hijacked from either an address book or the header of an email stored=20 on the affected PC. It is quite possible that the trojaned (is there such a word?) PC=20 which may turn out to be the source does belong to a Windows using=20 list member. I would strongly suggest that any list member using a PC=20 keeps Anti Virus and Anti Spyware software up to date and runs regular=20 checks on their systems. --=20 Brian Howlett ---------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not telling you who I work for - in any case, there's no way=20 anything posted (or mailed!) by me can be attributed to them.... From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 9 20:22:18 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHRXp-1psknw-03-GBm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:22:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHRXp-1psknw-03-GBm; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:15:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHRXp-1psknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:15:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHRXq-0006Ph-Fm for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:15:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E3B422BAF89; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21679-09; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 85D8F2BAF2C; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:14:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2D5CE2BADEB for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21502-03 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ED1362BACE6 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:14:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC (81-178-221-133.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.221.133]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC5BE00032C for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:14:46 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:26:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Nastie in the system Message-ID: <4e0500fb9esteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <7cfef2044e.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <8M49P+ANqDEEFw8I@pilling.demon.co.uk> <7cfef2044e.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 09 Mar, Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <8M49P+ANqDEEFw8I@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling > wrote: > > > I am getting spam sent to my OvPro email address. > >=20 > > Firstly, I have had 1000's of emails from "Barclays" and I don't have > > an account with them. The same goes for some of the other major > > banks. As the banks say, do not reply or follow any instructions, > > some of them are quite tempting. > >=20 > [snip] Have to admit I've always felt some sort of moral obligation to > answer those bank-mails. o.k. I do submit bogus data, but don't those > poor fellas deserve a bit of attention? Possibly, but the attention in question probably breaks various legal conventions regarding human rights. --=20 Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 9 20:22:19 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHRXr-1N0Vbs-05-GBk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:22:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHRXr-1N0Vbs-05-GBk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:15:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHRXr-1N0Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:15:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHRXq-00044p-QH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:15:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 298E42BAEA8; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21699-01; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8D7B32BAF67; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:14:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 358BC2BAE38 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21497-04 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 074042BAD71 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC (81-178-221-133.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.221.133]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5850EE000334 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:14:47 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:30:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Files Message-ID: <4e05014d57steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4effdbf79asbellon@sbellon.de> References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com> <534f61014e.michael@talibard.com> <4effdbf79asbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 102 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 09 Mar, Stefan Bellon wrote: > michael talibard wrote: > > > And very expensive (at =3DA399) for an OPro RTF loader=3D20 > > Sorry to reply to my own: that of course is meant to=20 > > read " at [pound-sign]99" - why are these things so tricky? > Because you should have switched to the Euro long time ago. ;-) Contrary to popular belief the population of the UK a fully in favour of = a common currency, but we were rather hoping you'd all see sense and modify the exchange rate to 2 Euros =3D 1 pound and then cash in all your old currency for a nice established common currency. :-) > *duck* --=20 Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 9 20:32:19 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHRlY-27mVbs-01-Fy3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:32:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHRlY-27mVbs-01-Fy3; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:29:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHRlY-27mVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:29:44 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHRlX-0001Yw-CU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:29:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D51092BA489; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25190-06; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8257F2BA64E; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:28:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E20AC2BA6B8 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:28:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24941-02 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:28:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 8A1762BA150 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:28:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix ([82.112.139.110]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.3.8) with SMTP id NXM95211 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:29:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:28:54 GMT From: michael talibard To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Files Message-ID: <7fac11054e.michael@talibard.com> References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com> <534f61014e.michael@talibard.com> <4effdbf79asbellon@sbellon.de> <4e05014d57steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4e05014d57steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 103 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e05014d57steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> you wrote: > On 09 Mar, Stefan Bellon wrote: > > michael talibard wrote: >=3D20 > > > > And very expensive (at =3D3DA399) for an OPro RTF loader=3D3D20 >=3D20 > > > Sorry to reply to my own: that of course is meant to=3D20 > > > read " at [pound-sign]99" - why are these things so tricky? >=3D20 > > Because you should have switched to the Euro long time ago. ;-) >=3D20 > Contrary to popular belief the population of the UK a fully in favour o= =3D f a > common currency, but we were rather hoping you'd all see sense and modi= =3D fy > the exchange rate to 2 Euros =3D3D 1 pound >=3D20 > and then cash in all your old currency for a nice established common > currency. :-) >=3D20 > > *duck* >=3D20 Don't let me spoil your fun :=3D8F) but this is all supposed to be=3D= 20 about Pilling software, and in this instance, about the lack of a reasonably-priced way of loading RTF into OvPro. Anything to=3D20 say about that? From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 9 20:52:20 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHRz1-2nxVbs-07-Fka."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:52:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHRz1-2nxVbs-07-Fka; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:43:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHRz1-2nxVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:43:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHRz0-0004Qt-MM for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:43:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 181622BB05D; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28924-01; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B99002BAE51; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:43:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:42:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 42A612BAE15 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28712-09 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id E7F942BA47A for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix ([82.112.139.110]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.3.8) with SMTP id NXA96808 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:43:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:42:45 GMT From: michael talibard To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] =20 Message-ID: <38f112054e.michael@talibard.com> References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com> <534f61014e.michael@talibard.com> <4effdbf79asbellon@sbellon.de> <4e05014d57steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <7fac11054e.michael@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: <7fac11054e.michael@talibard.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 104 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I used to be able to post my contributions here, or to write emails, that looked much the same when they arrived as they did here. But suddenly, there is a rash of intrusions of =3D20. Does anyone know why? From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 9 20:52:20 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHS0p-2t3Vbs-05-Fim."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 20:52:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHS0p-2t3Vbs-05-Fim; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:45:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHS0p-2t3Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:45:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHS0o-0002wj-NT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 20:45:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 417872BB0C4; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29394-06; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D90592BB0EC; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:45:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:44:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 610922BB0E0 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29125-01 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2DCFB2BB0CE for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from [87.113.65.227] (helo=patbryan.plus.com) by pih-relay05.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1FHQl3-0000LO-S7 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:25:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:27:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Banks Message-ID: <4e050c0c9fpatbryan@patbryan.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 105 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: patbryan@patbryan.plus.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,NO_REAL_NAME,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Yes, we filtered them straight into the bin and we're sure they weren't genuine - no bank would ask for details over the net. However what I mean= t was I wondered if someone was really trying to get our details or whether someone was having a joke at everyone's expense. I suppose some people must fall for it or it wouldn't be tried. Pat --=20 Using a British Risc PC running RISC OS Select and the Pluto mail and newsreader. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 9 22:02:23 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHT7h-23zGPo-01-Ebu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:02:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHT7h-23zGPo-01-Ebu; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:56:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHT7h-23zGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:56:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHT7g-0004ix-Oz for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:56:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DD4F72BA6B7; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09341-07; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 900C92BA298; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:55:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 102CF2BA6B7 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09193-06 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com (mailout08.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C03E2BA8EF for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 16:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from fwd33.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1FHT6q-0003eW-01; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:55:48 +0100 Received: from roma.localnet (Ttjo46ZvwexrzTXHammbGGqi6qKhAy6HAJ76SX0bQHCHJEBSOY5OcU@[84.156.221.11]) by fwd33.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1FHT6l-0wL7KK0; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 22:55:43 +0100 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.106] helo=veni) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1FHT6k-0002mP-00 for ; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:55:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:55:40 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: =20 Message-ID: <4effdbf894sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <38f112054e.michael@talibard.com> References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com> <534f61014e.michael@talibard.com> <4effdbf79asbellon@sbellon.de> <4e05014d57steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <7fac11054e.michael@talibard.com> <38f112054e.michael@talibard.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-type: text/plain X-ID: Ttjo46ZvwexrzTXHammbGGqi6qKhAy6HAJ76SX0bQHCHJEBSOY5OcU@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: c6a5c206-49d9-40e3-a053-ce338c625289 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 106 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: sbellon@sbellon.de Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) michael talibard wrote: > I used to be able to post my contributions here, or > to write emails, that looked much the same when they > arrived as they did here. But suddenly, there is a rash > of intrusions of =3D20. Does anyone know why? Yes, but as this thread is about a reasonably-priced way of loading RTF into OvPro and I don't have to say anything about that, I cannot explain the reason for the intrustrusions of =3D20 here ... ;-) --=20 Stefan Bellon From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 9 23:32:28 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHUT9-32A000-04-DGS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 23:32:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHUT9-32A000-04-DGS; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 23:22:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHUT9-32A000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 23:22:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHUT9-00010W-1a for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 23:22:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FE512BA163; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22689-06; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16DCC2BA89E; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:22:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 741BF2BA7E7 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22578-07 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3DB212BA3C8 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FHUSP-0006XN-E8 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 09 Mar 2006 23:22:09 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 23:21:01 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Files References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com> <534f61014e.michael@talibard.com> <4effdbf79asbellon@sbellon.de> <4e05014d57steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <7fac11054e.michael@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: <7fac11054e.michael@talibard.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 107 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >reasonably-priced way of loading RTF into OvPro. Anything to=3D20 >say about that? Alas I can end this discussion. I have an RTF loader for OP sat on my=20 hard disc. However I'm taking a long time to get it out. I've told the tale many times before. Rob Clarke who wrote the original=20 loader for Beebug has gone missing. I've had to write a new loader from=20 scratch. This means that all the experience that went into the original loader=20 has been lost. I hope you won't mind giving me feedback on the new RTF=20 loader. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 10 14:11:36 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHdHB-2Jxknw-04-Cyw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:11:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHdHB-2Jxknw-04-Cyw; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:47:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHdHB-2Jxknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:47:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHdHB-0005xR-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:47:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6600F2BB838; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04927-06; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 119962AE360; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:47:07 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:46:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 472F72BB838 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04681-08 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CDD5C2BB824 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:46:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060310084619.ZFTY1118.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:46:19 +0000 Received: from dusty ([80.3.74.164]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060310084619.DQIC11653.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@dusty> for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:46:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 22:16:36 +0000 From: Andy Wingate To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: =20 Message-ID: <4E051B88B8%andy-l@sparse.net> References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com> <534f61014e.michael@talibard.com> <4effdbf79asbellon@sbellon.de> <4e05014d57steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <7fac11054e.michael@talibard.com> <38f112054e.michael@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: <38f112054e.michael@talibard.com> X-Organization: oflaoflaoflaoflaoflaoflaofla User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-Magic-Word: XYZZY X-Location: Brighton, UK X-Editor: Zap 1.47 (17 Oct 2005) Snapshot, ZapEmail 0.28.3 (25 Mar 2005) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 108 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: andy-l@sparse.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <38f112054e.michael@talibard.com> michael talibard wrote: > I used to be able to post my contributions here, or > to write emails, that looked much the same when they > arrived as they did here. But suddenly, there is a rash > of intrusions of =3D20. Does anyone know why? If you look at your message <7fac11054e.michael@talibard.com> [1], you'll see you used a non-ASCII character for your smiley's nose. Messenger-Pro then MIME-encoded it as =3D8F so that it fitted into a 7-bit character space [2]. In MIME encoding, a newline gets represented as =3D20, pound sign as =3DA3 (see your <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com>) and the =3D sign as =3D3D. In summary, it was all of your doing :-) Stick to ASCII and things should work properly. Not all mail servers are guaranteed to cope with 8-bit messages so MIME is used to encode them safely. [1] Shift-click it in Messenger Pro and the message will appear in your message viewer. [2] Probably not the precise term. --=20 Andy Wingate OpenPGP key 0xC642BF8A Never call a man a fool. Borrow from him. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 10 14:11:37 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHdjR-05Yknw-03-CWg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:11:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHdjR-05Yknw-03-CWg; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:16:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHdjR-05Yknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:16:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHdjR-0001Fx-AS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:16:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABDF42BB5CD; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 04:16:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10097-10; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 04:16:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5315F2BB619; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 04:16:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 10 Mar 2006 04:15:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D31D42BB5FB for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 04:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09976-05 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 04:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 825902BB5D3 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 04:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [62.180.24.69] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1FHdic0l6E-0003BU; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:15:34 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: =20 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:15:44 +0100 Message-ID: <49e157054e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com> <534f61014e.michael@talibard.com> <4effdbf79asbellon@sbellon.de> <4e05014d57steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <7fac11054e.michael@talibard.com> <38f112054e.michael@talibard.com> <4E051B88B8%andy-l@sparse.net> In-Reply-To: <4E051B88B8%andy-l@sparse.net> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 109 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4E051B88B8%andy-l@sparse.net> Andy Wingate wrote: > In message <38f112054e.michael@talibard.com> > michael talibard wrote: >=20 >> I used to be able to post my contributions here, or >> to write emails, that looked much the same when they >> arrived as they did here. But suddenly, there is a rash >> of intrusions of =3D20. Does anyone know why? >=20 > If you look at your message <7fac11054e.michael@talibard.com> [1], > you'll see you used a non-ASCII character for your smiley's nose. > Messenger-Pro then MIME-encoded it as =3D8F so that it fitted into a > 7-bit character space [2]. In MIME encoding, a newline gets > represented as =3D20, pound sign as =3DA3 (see your > <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com>) and the =3D sign as =3D3D. It is not exactly MIME as such, it is the quoted-printable encoding=20 used, and if the mailing list software worked properly (or was=20 configured properly) it would either leave it as quoted-printable or=20 convert the message properly rather than just corrupting the=20 content-transfer-encoding header. > In summary, it was all of your doing :-) Stick to ASCII and things > should work properly. What about fixing the mailing list software [configuration] instead? Quoted-printable is established technology and all other mailing lists=20 I have seen so far work fine with it. Besides, there is no reason why=20 mailing lists should unnecessarily mess with messages anyway apart=20 from changing the headers required for the delivery of the message. Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:30:56 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHj5t-1YE000-02-Fgk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:30:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHj5t-1YE000-02-Fgk; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:59:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHj5t-1YE000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:59:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHj5t-0001gv-JY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:59:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0630C2BADDB; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:59:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30244-06; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8C092BB88E; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:59:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C8612BBB6B for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30153-01 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.69.126]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F6062BBB1E for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-120-120.teleos-web.de [213.182.120.120]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DE2F839A4DF for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:59:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:59:20 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.55) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 10 Mar 2006 15:59:18 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 15:59:18 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Nastie in the system Message-ID: <7e5577054e.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <8M49P+ANqDEEFw8I@pilling.demon.co.uk> <7cfef2044e.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> <4e0500fb9esteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4e0500fb9esteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (RemoteNB/1.55) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 110 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e0500fb9esteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> Steven Pampling wrote: > On 09 Mar, Martin Vethake wrote: > > In message <8M49P+ANqDEEFw8I@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling > > wrote: [snip] > Possibly, but the attention in question probably breaks various legal > conventions regarding human rights. >=20 O'Really, holy cow, You mean the shrub will come and put me on a caribbean island? Regards --=20 Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:31:11 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FHp9h-2zDknw-05-9cw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:31:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FHp9h-2zDknw-05-9cw; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:28:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FHp9h-2zDknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:28:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FHp9Z-0005y2-LS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:28:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4B6DC2BBC5F; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01334-05; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C835F2BBDD4; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:26:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:25:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E36432BB8DF for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:25:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01137-09 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:25:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08AE52BB87B for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:25:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC (81-178-221-133.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.221.133]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4834EE00015F for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:25:30 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:23:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Nastie in the system Message-ID: <4e059a8261steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <7e5577054e.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <8M49P+ANqDEEFw8I@pilling.demon.co.uk> <7cfef2044e.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> <4e0500fb9esteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <7e5577054e.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 111 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 10 Mar, Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <4e0500fb9esteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> Steven Pampling > wrote: > > On 09 Mar, Martin Vethake wrote: > > > In message <8M49P+ANqDEEFw8I@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling > > > wrote: > [snip] > > Possibly, but the attention in question probably breaks various legal > > conventions regarding human rights. > O'Really, holy cow, You mean the shrub will come and put me on a > caribbean island? I was thinking more that the perpetrators deserved careful tending of the= ir genitalia with a rusty razor blade of two, followed by a quick dab with a= n interesting flesh eating bug. There have been suggestions that this kind of thing is deemed unreasonabl= e. > Regards --=20 Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:33:26 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FIXt9-0MhVbs-04-G2a."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:33:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FIXt9-0MhVbs-04-G2a; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:14:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FIXt9-0MhVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:14:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FIXt9-0004jD-KC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:14:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 045DB2BC347; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20973-01; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AE2B02BC335; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:13:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EC6CF2BC17A for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:13:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20855-05 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:13:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from technetium.cix.co.uk (technetium.cix.co.uk [194.153.0.53]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B3F22BC05A for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:13:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from cix@localhost) by technetium.cix.co.uk (8.11.3/CIX/8.11.2) id k2CLDMR09320 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:13:22 GMT X-Envelope-From: Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 21:13 +0000 (GMT) From:(E J Phillips) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Nastie in the system To: davidpilling@freelists.org Cc: ejphillips@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: X-Ameol-Version: 2.54.2028, Windows 2000 build 2600 (Service Pack 2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 112 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ejphillips@cix.compulink.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In-Reply-To: <8M49P+ANqDEEFw8I@pilling.demon.co.uk> I am getting them though my cix emails (I filter off softwarelist into a separate folder). They are usually accompanied by a load of semi personal gibberish. I "kill" them straight away John Phillips. Cumbria in the north west From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:35:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FIvIl-0qJknw-06-9g0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:35:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FIvIl-0qJknw-06-9g0; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:14:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FIvIl-0qJknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:14:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FIvIl-0003jZ-HO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:14:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DED9A2BCC89; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19694-05; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 934732BCC03; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:13:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3CB72BCCA9 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19553-07 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1B2C2BCD0C for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from 212-229-249-19.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.249.19] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FIvI1-000ES5-6S for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:13:21 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c646eb$58dee7a0$13f9e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: References: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Nastie in the system Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:37:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 113 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > In-Reply-To: <8M49P+ANqDEEFw8I@pilling.demon.co.uk> > I am getting them though my cix emails (I filter off softwarelist into = a > separate folder). They are usually accompanied by a load of semi person= al > gibberish. I "kill" them straight away The key point, is if the emails now stop. As I said the Spellings list wa= s turned off last week. Give things a week to settle down, after that I'll = be interested to hear if you get any more. Always bearing in mind that the emails may not be coming from Spellings o= r=20 via the list at all. It is funny that the point has come up at this moment - i.e. when the old= =20 list has just been closed. I got 800 pieces of email today. Of which 2 were relevant. Not much fun.=20 That is behind demon's Bright mail filter (as far as I know). David Pilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:35:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FJ5Um-4ekVbs-07-GX1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:35:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FJ5Um-4ekVbs-07-GX1; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:07:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FJ5Um-4ekVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:07:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FJ5Ul-0004Xd-SR for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:07:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 267192BC8BD; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 04:07:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27229-04; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 04:07:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C223A2BC845; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 04:07:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 14 Mar 2006 04:06:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 433342BC74B for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 04:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27139-06 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 04:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (zen.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.18]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75EA52BC6CC for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 04:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from 213.130.142.78 (du213-130-142-78.as15444.net [213.130.142.78]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k2E967id008335 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:06:14 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Travers To: Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:48:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Nastie in the system Message-ID: <4e0764bc74richto@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001301c646eb$58dee7a0$13f9e5d4@mypc2> References: <001301c646eb$58dee7a0$13f9e5d4@mypc2> User-Agent: Pluto/2.04e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.581, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.53) X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamScore: 1 X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 114 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: richto@argonet.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <001301c646eb$58dee7a0$13f9e5d4@mypc2>, David Pilling wrote: > The key point, is if the emails now stop. As I said the Spellings list > was turned off last week. Give things a week to settle down, after that > I'll be interested to hear if you get any more. I also got a brief deluge of spam to the address that I use for (and only use for) the OvPro mailing list. It does appear to have stopped now. R --=20 Richard Travers richto@argonet.co.uk Truro, Cornwall 01872 271125 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:35:46 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FJ6HK-09PGPo-03-FkT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:35:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FJ6HK-09PGPo-03-FkT; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:57:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FJ6HK-09PGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:57:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FJ6HK-0000mD-Hl for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:57:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D2F962BAEF4; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 04:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32028-02; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 04:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CFD32BB633; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 04:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 14 Mar 2006 04:56:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 39E852BAEF4 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 04:56:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31868-03 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 04:56:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from th-mail-b0116.gradwell.net (th-mail-b0116.gradwell.net [193.111.201.40]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C35A12BA9B6 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 04:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from magpieway.net ([80.175.179.85] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net ident=tony^pop3&vanderhoff#org) by th-mail-b0116.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.214) id 44169350.1627.ea for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:56:32 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:56:31 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Nastie in the system Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001301c646eb$58dee7a0$13f9e5d4@mypc2> References: <001301c646eb$58dee7a0$13f9e5d4@mypc2> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 115 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) "David Pilling" wrote in message <001301c646eb$58dee7a0$13f9e5d4@mypc2> [snip] > I got 800 pieces of email today. Of which 2 were relevant. Not much fun= . > That is behind demon's Bright mail filter (as far as I know). That's why you only got 2 relevant emails. The rest are sitting in Brightmail's spam bin :( --=20 Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England=20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:35:47 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FJ6uF-4PJ000-02-F7Y."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:35:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FJ6uF-4PJ000-02-F7Y; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:37:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FJ6uF-4PJ000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:37:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FJ6uF-0005tX-69 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:37:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DE872BC8FC; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03288-06; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 444B72BC9BC; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:36:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F0FDE2BC8FC for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:36:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03168-07 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:36:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mra01.ch.as12513.net (mra01.ch.as12513.net [82.153.252.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AC3AF2BC8C0 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 05:36:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mra01.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D56828CA76 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:36:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra01.ch.as12513.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra01.ch.as12513.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18414-01-12 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:36:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MartinRPC.heleigh.org.uk (unknown [82.152.145.38]) by mra01.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C402328CA06 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:36:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Devon X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:36:12 GMT Message-ID: <47976e074e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> References: <4dfea1720bsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.04) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 116 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Using SparkFS 1.41 to create zip files over a network from VRPC and either HostFS or Sunfish to an NFS server zip =3D type a91 is set within HostFS and also within MimeMap (archive =3D ddc is set within MimeMap) Generating a zip file with "sparkfscreate 4 " from RiscOS=20 via HostFS produces .zip as seen from the Windows side. It seems necessary to use the form "sparkfscreate 4 /zip"=20 from RiscOS when using Sunfish to NFS. However, as seen from Windows=20 it appears as .zip,ddc In one instance I am going to have to use Sunfish (there seems to be a=20 problem running HostFS to Windows 2003 server edition), so how can I=20 eliminate the ,ddc please? --=20 Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wilts, UK RISC OS in the Timber Frame Housing Industry From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:35:52 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FJB8z-0bC000-06-Aso."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:35:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FJB8z-0bC000-06-Aso; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:09:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FJB8z-0bC000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:09:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FJB8z-0007iO-HA for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:09:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D85522BCE17; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01425-07; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4C8002BCEDC; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:08:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B01F2BCEFC for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:08:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00971-06 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:08:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from n066.sc1.cp.net (smtpout0159.sc1.cp.net [64.97.136.159]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32CE92BCEE8 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:08:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from BROADASH (82.26.26.122) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 440E1F0F000E2790 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:08:13 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c64779$1b74eb60$7a1a1a52@BROADASH> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pat=A0Pickard?= To: References: <001301c646eb$58dee7a0$13f9e5d4@mypc2> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Nastie in the system Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:08:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 117 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pat.pickard@virgin.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 6:37 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: A Nastie in the system >> In-Reply-To: <8M49P+ANqDEEFw8I@pilling.demon.co.uk> >> I am getting them though my cix emails (I filter off softwarelist into= a >> separate folder). They are usually accompanied by a load of semi perso= nal >> Hi. Please unsubscribe Pat Pickard=20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:35:53 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FJGQ2-25FVbs-01-E8H."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:35:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FJGQ2-25FVbs-01-E8H; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:47:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FJGQ2-25FVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:47:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FJGQ2-0003kV-5G for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:47:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 59EE32BD240; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:47:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18977-07; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:47:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0744B2BD1AE; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:46:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F2F612BD242 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18788-04 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from flame.hosts.ndo.com (flame.hosts.ndo.com [195.7.228.19]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B734D2BD241 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm4-00-49.dial.thm.netdirect-online.co.uk ([195.7.235.49] helo=pinion.ndo.co.uk.jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk) by flame.hosts.ndo.com with esmtp (NDO SMTP Pool (Abuse to: abuse@ndo.com)) id 1FJGPD-0006Uh-00 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:46:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:45:12 GMT From: John Bridger To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Macros Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 118 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jbridger@pinion.ndo.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Setting an applet/macro to set a specific zoom% I have the two macros/buttons that set zoom at 75% and 125% These are useful but I would prefer them to set 50% and 91% (the 91% happens to be the zoom at which my monitor displays actual size - 100% is over size!) Looking in the macro file I found; defmacro2(4,"75%","{setzoom(ZOOM75,0,0)}","","75% zoom. |MClick SELECT to set document zoom to 75%."); So, I thought if I edited all the 75%s to 50% and the 125%s to 91% I would have my two prefered zooms. Silly me - it did not work. Can anyone tell me if it is possible (for a bear of little brain) to do this and how? John Bridger From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:35:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FJHO0-3X2Vbs-07-DAJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:35:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FJHO0-3X2Vbs-07-DAJ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:49:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FJHO0-3X2Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:49:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FJHO0-0002VT-GY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:49:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E4CBD2BCBC1; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27882-07; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A64802BCB9A; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:48:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3FCFB2BCBC1 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27779-05 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-ps.sunrise.ch (mta-ps-be-06.sunrise.ch [194.158.229.42]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 016522BCBB6 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.224.169) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.070) id 43CF0E3F00357746 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:48:13 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Macros To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:12:57 +0100 Message-ID: <1ae3a8074e.janvred@smile.ch> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 119 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: janvredenburch@smile.ch Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message John Bridger wrote: [snip] >=20 > So, I thought if I edited all the 75%s to 50% and the 125%s > to 91% I would have my two prefered zooms. > Silly me - it did not work. > Can anyone tell me if it is possible (for a bear of little > brain) to do this and how? Page 50 of the Script manual may possibly give a solution. If I=20 understand the text correctly the following should give you 91%: ..........."{setzoom(ZOOMDEF,91,100)}",...............etc. Had no time to try it out myself. JohnvV --=20 Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:35:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FJHS7-0dnVbs-03-D6C."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:35:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FJHS7-0dnVbs-03-D6C; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:53:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FJHS7-0dnVbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:53:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FJHS7-0005qm-DG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:53:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ECA112BBEFB; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28455-05; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8730B2BB27D; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:52:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 875D42BBEFB for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28373-02 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 22BB52BB640 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:52:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from 88-105-180-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.180.42]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 14 Mar 2006 21:52:18 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HANvHFkSCEoV8FBg Received: from 88-105-180-42.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.180.42]:10845 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FJHGt-000NSh-0I for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:41:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:45:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Macros Message-ID: <4e07abd9a8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 120 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , John Bridger wrote: > Setting an applet/macro to set a specific zoom% > I have the two macros/buttons that set zoom at 75% and 125% > These are useful but I would prefer them to set 50% and 91% > (the 91% happens to be the zoom at which my monitor displays > actual size - 100% is over size!) > Looking in the macro file I found; > defmacro2(4,"75%","{setzoom(ZOOM75,0,0)}","","75% zoom. > |MClick SELECT to set document zoom to 75%."); > So, I thought if I edited all the 75%s to 50% and the 125%s > to 91% I would have my two prefered zooms. > Silly me - it did not work. > Can anyone tell me if it is possible (for a bear of little > brain) to do this and how? > John Bridger Try this: Open the Macros config window. If you don't have the button on the tool bar, do Menu-Misc-Macros. Near the bottom of the window click the "New" button and put 91% in the Button name writable. Click OK and a blank writable will display at the bottom of the Macro list. Write the following in the blank writable. (Or copy and paste). {setzoom(ZOOMDEF,91,100)} Click the square activation button to the right of the writable. Now most important Click the "Save" button at the very bottom of the window and click "Yes" to the overwriting question. Cheers Dave S --=20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:36:01 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FJIfY-0MW000-01-Bsl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:36:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FJIfY-0MW000-01-Bsl; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:11:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FJIfY-0MW000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:11:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FJIfX-0004Xi-M5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:11:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEC372BC5FD; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05616-07; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A3AB02BC5FB; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:10:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE2DA2BC5FD for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:10:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05378-09 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:10:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 674D02BC39A for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:10:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060314231023.NJCT1118.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:10:23 +0000 Received: from risco.home ([82.28.141.231]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20060314231023.KDIA20480.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@risco.home> for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:10:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:05:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Macros To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 121 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In on Tue 14 Mar, John Bridger wrote: > Setting an applet/macro to set a specific zoom% >=20 > I have the two macros/buttons that set zoom at 75% and 125% > These are useful but I would prefer them to set 50% and 91% > (the 91% happens to be the zoom at which my monitor displays > actual size - 100% is over size!) >=20 > Looking in the macro file I found; >=20 > defmacro2(4,"75%","{setzoom(ZOOM75,0,0)}","","75% zoom. > |MClick SELECT to set document zoom to 75%."); Before reading what others have posted I assumed you would need to change the 75 in the setzoom definition to 50 as well to make those 2 lines: defmacro2(4,"50%","{setzoom(ZOOM50,0,0)}","","50% zoom. =20 |MClick SELECT to set document zoom to 50%."); >=20 > So, I thought if I edited all the 75%s to 50% and the 125%s > to 91% I would have my two prefered zooms. > Silly me - it did not work. > Can anyone tell me if it is possible (for a bear of little > brain) to do this and how? So you now have 2 approaches to try. Anthony --=20 ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:36:12 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FJavI-27qVbs-08-Ag3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:36:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FJavI-27qVbs-08-Ag3; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:40:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FJavI-27qVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:40:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FJavI-00039r-DG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:40:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB9A12BC761; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:40:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18808-09; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:40:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BACB2BC739; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:40:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:39:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C4EA2BC761 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18659-05 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA4E42BC72F for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:39:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 212-229-248-34.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.248.34] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FJauX-000CrZ-2R for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:39:54 +0000 Message-ID: <005701c6485f$de7ee930$22f8e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <4dfea1720bsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <47976e074e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:38:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 122 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >zip =3D type a91 is set within HostFS and also within MimeMap >it appears as .zip,ddc There seems to be an inconsistency there. If you create a zip on RISC OS = in the old fashioned way (drag and drop) what hex file type does it get? I will admit I don't understand why these extensions get added sometimes = and not others. But I guess there is more chance of things working if the who= le system uses the same type for zip files. In other words if your copy of SparkFS is set up to use DDC for Zip files then Mime Map should be set up the same way. Similarly for A91. David Pilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:36:12 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FJavJ-2AgVbs-02-Ag2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:36:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FJavJ-2AgVbs-02-Ag2; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:40:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FJavJ-2AgVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:40:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FJavJ-0007Lo-AV for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:40:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D23C82BC767; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:40:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18808-10; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:40:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 937532BC55F; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:40:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:39:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3102C2BC84F for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:39:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18659-06 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:39:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 014312BC72F for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:39:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 212-229-248-34.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.248.34] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FJauY-000CrZ-2u for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:39:55 +0000 Message-ID: <005801c6485f$df2d0380$22f8e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: References: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Macros Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 18:38:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 123 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >defmacro2(4,"75%","{setzoom(ZOOM75,0,0)}","","75% zoom. >So, I thought if I edited all the 75%s to 50% and the 125%s John van Vredenburch has given the right answer. To expand, there are a number of predefined constants. ZOOM75 is one. However this means that you can't invent your own constants. So ZOOM91 wo= n't work - because there is no predefined constant called ZOOM91. But you can use the script language to set any zoom value you like. You j= ust use the constant ZOOMDEF and then fill in the zoom multiplier and divider= in the other two parameters (the ones which are 0 above), e.g. 91 and 100. The interesting thing is that there is a predefined ZOOM50 so that one should have worked. David Pilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:36:20 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FJn0Y-2g3knw-04-Fdp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:36:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FJn0Y-2g3knw-04-Fdp; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:34:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FJn0Y-2g3knw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:34:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FJn0X-0000wF-OK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:34:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5067A2BCD5F; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27596-10; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 101122BCC43; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:34:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C8AE2BCC72 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27527-01 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mra03.ch.as12513.net (mra03.ch.as12513.net [82.153.252.25]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 683362BBE02 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mra03.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96422D41ED for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:32:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra03.ch.as12513.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra03.ch.as12513.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08194-01-79 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:32:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MartinRPC.heleigh.org.uk (unknown [82.152.145.38]) by mra03.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC631D4353 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:32:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Devon X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:31:50 GMT Message-ID: <2a6265084e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> References: <4dfea1720bsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <47976e074e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <005701c6485f$de7ee930$22f8e5d4@mypc2> In-Reply-To: <005701c6485f$de7ee930$22f8e5d4@mypc2> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.04) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 124 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <005701c6485f$de7ee930$22f8e5d4@mypc2> "David Pilling" wrote: >=20 >=20 >>zip =3D type a91 is set within HostFS and also within MimeMap >=20 >>it appears as .zip,ddc >=20 > There seems to be an inconsistency there. If you create a zip on RISC O= S in > the old fashioned way (drag and drop) what hex file type does it get? Everything is set up for a91=3Dzip and ddc=3Darc After a lot further tests: There should not be both zip=3Da91 and zip=3Dddc in hostfs extensions. Th= e=20 second instance appears to overwrite the first. This appears to have=20 been the root of the inconsistency. Having found that, over both Sunfish and HostFS I find: Creating /zip from the icon bar and dragging produces a file=20 which appears in Windows as .zip. Creating from the icon bar appears as ,a91 which appears to be correct. Sparkfscreate 4 /zip at the command line creates a file=20 appearing as .zip,ddc from Windows. sparkfscreate 4 produces ,ddc Unfortunately it seems sparkfscreate 4 is always producing a ddc file. --=20 Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wilts, UK RISC OS in the Timber Frame Housing Industry From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:36:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FJqRC-4fu000-02-CDB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:36:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FJqRC-4fu000-02-CDB; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:14:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FJqRC-4fu000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:14:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FJqRC-0004iy-5W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:14:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94FE12BCE64; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22326-04; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 574082BCDCE; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:13:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8C822BCE64 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22262-07 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 949612BCDA4 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from watsnees.demon.co.uk ([80.177.152.227] helo=panther) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FJqQR-000Epo-Hc for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:13:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:07:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows - Tooltips Message-ID: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 125 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: frank@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) While trying the evening before last, to show a mixed audience (RISC OS and Windows) the common and different features of OPro on the two platforms, I commented on the torturous(sp.-deliberate) need to do a "Shift-F1" and then point with the Interrogative pointer and click on a button on the button bar, to remind oneself that one had forgotten what was its particular purpose, and then have to repeat the same sequence on another button to see if that was the button that one wanted. Inevitably, one of our Windows members asked "Where are the Tooltips?".=20 I had to admit that I had not seen any reference to Tooltips. Since then, I have spent *some* time examining my collection of mailing list messages (undoubtedly incomplete) and the archives on the CD 1.05, as well as the PDF Manual. I found 2 contributions in the list showing interest in Tooltips, but no discussion on the subject. As things stand, the lack of Tooltips is IMO a serious omission when comparison is made with the interactive help available in the RISC OS version when used with !BubbleHelp or !Float or even Acorn's !Help: especially for those with poor memories and/or crowded button bars. Unless, of course, I have missed something? (8-)> I am still using Windows version 2.76 (21-December-05). Could Tooltips have crept in unannounced with version 2.90? Could it be a subject for an Applet? Anyone? --=20 Frank Watkinson. email: Using !Pluto 3.04c on Iyon= ix 5.09. Still RPC-SA (4.39 Adjust) for some things. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:36:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FJrFf-09Hknw-03-BOi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:36:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FJrFf-09Hknw-03-BOi; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:06:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FJrFf-09Hknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:06:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FJrFe-00054Q-Pq for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:06:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 26FFD2BCBBE; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26895-02; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 979BC2BCB99; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:06:00 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6BCB12BCD11 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26766-03 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from flame.hosts.ndo.com (flame.hosts.ndo.com [195.7.228.19]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 373272BCD0E for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from [195.7.235.92] (helo=pinion.ndo.co.uk.jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk) by flame.hosts.ndo.com with esmtp (NDO SMTP Pool (Abuse to: abuse@ndo.com)) id 1FJrEs-00013M-00 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:05:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:05:20 GMT From: John Bridger To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Macros Message-ID: <4d6c7e084e.jbridger@jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 126 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jbridger@pinion.ndo.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) My thanks to all who answered my question re setting specific zooms. Special thanks to Dave Symes whose instructions I followed and presto it worked. When I first read them I thought he must have missed something out - it looked too simple. But I now have my 91% and 59% buttons and am tempted to add more!! Many thanks . . . . John Bridger From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:36:32 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FJrYI-1PlVbs-02-B65."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:36:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FJrYI-1PlVbs-02-B65; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:26:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FJrYI-1PlVbs-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:26:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FJrYI-0000zr-Ai for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:26:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9A712BC947; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:26:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28769-06; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:26:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67FA32BCB64; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:26:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:25:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 474D72BC9CE for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28608-01 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 129D82BC8E6 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from nthomas2.demon.co.uk ([80.177.215.176] helo=THOMAS) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FJrXW-000M8n-6T for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:25:14 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c648f4$b225ce40$0300a8c0@THOMAS> From: "Norman Thomas" To: References: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows - Tooltips Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:25:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 127 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: norman@nthomas2.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I do agree with Frank Watkinson that Tooltips would be a positive additio= n=20 to OvPro Windows. It is easier to get direct information about what a too= l=20 does when pointing to it. Gilding the lily can help. Norman Thomas snip: While trying the evening before last, to show a mixed audience (RISC OS and Windows) the common and different features of OPro on the two platforms, I commented on the torturous(sp.-deliberate) need to do a "Shift-F1" and then point with the Interrogative pointer and click on a button on the button bar, to remind oneself that one had forgotten what was its particular purpose, and then have to repeat the same sequence on another button to see if that was the button that one wanted. Inevitably, one of our Windows members asked "Where are the Tooltips?". I had to admit that I had not seen any reference to Tooltips. snip Could it be a subject for an Applet? Anyone? --=20 Frank Watkinson. email: Using !Pluto 3.04c on Iyon= ix=20 5.09. Still RPC-SA (4.39 Adjust) for some things. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 16:36:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FJtCR-12NGPo-03-9Rw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:36:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FJtCR-12NGPo-03-9Rw; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:11:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FJtCR-12NGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:11:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FJtCQ-0007bl-SQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:11:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 34C842BCE02; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10499-06; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE66C2BCE4E; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:10:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8CBA2BCE31 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10396-04 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (smtp.bulldogdsl.com [212.158.248.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A2F002BCE02 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 610BF70C162; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:10:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Abuse: Please report all spam/abuse matters to abuse@bulldogdsl.com Received: from [84.9.233.43] (host-84-9-233-43.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.233.43]) by mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2F970C0E1 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:10:46 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4419724E.208@ed.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:12:30 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows - Tooltips References: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> <000a01c648f4$b225ce40$0300a8c0@THOMAS> In-Reply-To: <000a01c648f4$b225ce40$0300a8c0@THOMAS> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 128 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Norman Thomas wrote: > I do agree with Frank Watkinson that Tooltips would be a positive addit= ion=20 > to OvPro Windows. It is easier to get direct information about what a t= ool=20 > does when pointing to it. Shift-F1, then position the cursor over a button, then left-click. Is that what you need? Not ideal, but it's there in rudimentary form. --=20 Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 19:10:39 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FJxpc-3mt000-03-DLH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:10:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FJxpc-3mt000-03-DLH; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:08:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FJxpc-3mt000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:08:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FJxpa-0005uH-3v for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:08:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DF3E2BD4D7; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22412-06; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89C032BD3A8; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:07:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C2C232BD37E for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22336-01 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3D5472BD296 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from nthomas2.demon.co.uk ([80.177.215.176] helo=ROSEE) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FJxoW-000Kbj-Cf for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:07:13 +0000 Message-ID: <003a01c6492c$d3a51d40$0400a8c0@ROSEE> From: "Norman Thomas" To: References: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> <000a01c648f4$b225ce40$0300a8c0@THOMAS> <4419724E.208@ed.ac.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows - Tooltips Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:07:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 129 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: norman@nthomas2.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Thanks for the reply.Yes, I do use that but the fewer clicks the better? Norman ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Clive Bonsall" To: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:12 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows - Tooltips Norman Thomas wrote: > I do agree with Frank Watkinson that Tooltips would be a positive addit= ion > to OvPro Windows. It is easier to get direct information about what a t= ool > does when pointing to it. Shift-F1, then position the cursor over a button, then left-click. Is that what you need? Not ideal, but it's there in rudimentary form. --=20 Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 19:30:40 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FJy4r-4Emknw-01-D62."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:30:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FJy4r-4Emknw-01-D62; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:24:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FJy4r-4Emknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:24:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FJy4r-00010e-8t for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:24:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9FAD02BC827; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24301-02; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AAD52BCF52; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:23:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DF422BC827 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:23:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24140-05 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:23:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 18E1A2BC743 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:23:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FJy46-000Nq4-JA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:23:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:21:48 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows - Tooltips References: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 130 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >While trying the evening before last, to show a mixed audience (RISC OS >and Windows) the common and different features of OPro on the two >platforms Could they see any difference... (a lack of difference might be a=20 criticism) >Inevitably, one of our Windows members asked "Where are the Tooltips?". Position the pointer over a tool... So there are some tool tips in the program. My feeling is that interactive help in general is a good thing. However=20 it does tend to get in the way most of the time. In my opinion pressing=20 Shift+F1 and getting help on just the thing I want to know at that=20 moment about is great. However many a time I play a game of trying to see what is underneath=20 the "helpful" tool tip that Windows is putting in my way. You can also=20 play another game where most of the time information pops up, but=20 sometimes it doesn't. This is moving away from help, towards=20 information. I didn't invent or write Bubble Help for RISC OS, but I had a lot to do=20 with making it available and getting it included with Ovation Pro. I=20 wonder how many people actually used it and for how long. All too often=20 the people who need help don't know how to get it - Shift+F1 is a good=20 example, so are the !Help files on RISC OS. I did some tooltips for Windows, and then stopped. I can go further,=20 e.g. extend the system from tools to buttons or to the info palette. I'd=20 certainly include an option to turn off tool tips. The other point, is that usually when I want help on an option it is not=20 available. Happens with the billion dollar software from MicroSoft,=20 happens with mine too. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 16 20:00:41 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FJyVm-3au000-06-Cf7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:00:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FJyVm-3au000-06-Cf7; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:51:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FJyVm-3au000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:51:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FJyVl-0000fd-PE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:51:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8CFAB2BD049; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29659-04; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9F05D2BC945; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:51:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 03FA02BCAC4 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29506-05 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7BF8B2BCA55 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FJyUv-000HAb-7B for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:51:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:49:33 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS References: <4dfea1720bsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <47976e074e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <005701c6485f$de7ee930$22f8e5d4@mypc2> <2a6265084e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <2a6265084e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 131 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Unfortunately it seems sparkfscreate 4 is always producing a ddc file. Sounds the sort of area where there could be a bug. I will go look at=20 it. However because you're working from the command line, it should be easy=20 to get around it. For example *settype the file. Or have an empty=20 file/zip with the correct type which you copy to where you want the new=20 archive to go. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 17 03:41:03 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FK5h5-3D0Vbs-08-E0K."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:41:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FK5h5-3D0Vbs-08-E0K; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:32:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FK5h5-3D0Vbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:32:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FK5h5-0004ZL-1k for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:32:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 340002BCC37; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20454-09; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E301C2BCD3F; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:31:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C22192BCC37 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20357-03 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8BFB82BCFE9 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FK5gL-0004IT-Er for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:31:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:29:43 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS References: <4dfea1720bsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <47976e074e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <005701c6485f$de7ee930$22f8e5d4@mypc2> <2a6265084e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 132 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>Unfortunately it seems sparkfscreate 4 is always producing a ddc file. Yes, a bug, now fixed. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 17 14:38:12 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FK9nu-49Q000-08-9tV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:38:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FK9nu-49Q000-08-9tV; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:55:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FK9nu-49Q000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:55:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FK9nt-0003fB-Jt for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:55:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0C4552BD2CB; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15243-01; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A326A2BD1B9; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:54:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 707812BD287 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15144-07 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mra02.ch.as12513.net (mra02.ch.as12513.net [82.153.252.24]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EB612BD316 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mra02.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F209ED457D for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:54:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra02.ch.as12513.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra02.ch.as12513.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13241-01-9 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:54:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MartinRPC.heleigh.org.uk (unknown [82.152.145.38]) by mra02.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2741D4327 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:54:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Devon X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:54:29 GMT Message-ID: References: <4dfea1720bsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <47976e074e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <2a6265084e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.04) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 133 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>>Unfortunately it seems sparkfscreate 4 is always producing a ddc file. >=20 > Yes, a bug, now fixed. Thank you. That make it easy, because getting round it by using=20 *settype over the LAN raised another little problem:- The MimeMap file issued with Select 3i4 and Adjust has the Risc OS=20 name for file type a91 as Archive. I think this should be Zip? If=20 no-one sees any objection to changing this, I'll take it up with=20 RiscOS Ltd. --=20 Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wilts, UK RISC OS in the Timber Frame Housing Industry From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 17 14:48:04 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FKGDc-1Qd000-01-C0J."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:48:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FKGDc-1Qd000-01-C0J; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:46:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FKGDc-1Qd000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:46:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FKGDc-0005or-8m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:46:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A946E2BD82A; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02573-10; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 686D92BD819; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:46:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:45:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E59AF2BD82A for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02325-06 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B52A52BD810 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FKGC9-000H0Y-1O for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:44:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:43:36 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS References: <4dfea1720bsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <47976e074e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <2a6265084e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 134 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, >The MimeMap file issued with Select 3i4 and Adjust has the Risc OS >name for file type a91 as Archive. I think this should be Zip? Yes. I'd say A91 should be "zip" and DDC should be "archive", since DDC=20 is used for many different archive types. Although none of them are=20 called "Archive". I did think settype would not be the most likely method to work. Copy=20 file seemed the best bet. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 17 17:08:10 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FKIQj-1C0knw-06-9nC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:08:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FKIQj-1C0knw-06-9nC; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:08:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FKIQj-1C0knw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:08:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FKIQj-0003DR-BN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:08:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF0BE2BDA4E; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24952-02; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 849382BDAED; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:08:00 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:07:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 94BCF2BDA4E for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24729-10 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mra04.ch.as12513.net (mra04.ch.as12513.net [82.153.252.44]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51D942BD9D2 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:07:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mra04.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F51C1278 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:07:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mra04.ch.as12513.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mra04.ch.as12513.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05019-01-56 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:07:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MartinRPC.heleigh.org.uk (unknown [82.152.145.38]) by mra04.ch.as12513.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA07BC1266 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:07:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Devon X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:06:18 GMT Message-ID: <41d01d094e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> References: <4dfea1720bsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <47976e074e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> <2a6265084e.Martin@heleigh.org.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.04) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by Eclipse VIRUSshield at eclipse.net.uk X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 135 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martin.devon@heleigh.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, >=20 >>The MimeMap file issued with Select 3i4 and Adjust has the Risc OS >>name for file type a91 as Archive. I think this should be Zip? >=20 > Yes. I'd say A91 should be "zip" and DDC should be "archive", since DDC > is used for many different archive types. Although none of them are > called "Archive". I'll put this to RiscOS Ltd. >=20 > I did think settype would not be the most likely method to work. Copy > file seemed the best bet. You are quite right. Copy works just fine, but settype depends on both=20 a91 and ddc entries in HostFS at least, which is undesirable=20 otherwise. --=20 Martin R. Devon MSc Consulting Engineer, Box, Wilts, UK RISC OS in the Timber Frame Housing Industry From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 18 01:48:36 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FKQPu-1NHGPo-03-AKX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 01:48:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FKQPu-1NHGPo-03-AKX; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 01:39:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FKQPu-1NHGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 01:39:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FKQPu-0003zf-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 01:39:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7AFAA2BD457; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26140-06; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 33E172BD377; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:38:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1209F2BD457 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:38:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26045-07 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:38:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABCD42BD5CB for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FKQP7-000EDo-CN for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 01:38:53 +0000 Message-ID: <3JPv+$DaR2GEFwcF@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 01:37:30 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Files References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com> <534f61014e.michael@talibard.com> <4effdbf79asbellon@sbellon.de> <4e05014d57steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <7fac11054e.michael@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 136 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >has been lost. I hope you won't mind giving me feedback on the new RTF >loader. I've updated the Ovation Pro for Windows CD online... I've included the=20 new RTF loader. Let me know what you think of it - I'm not pretending it is complete.=20 Tell me what is wrong and if necessary provide examples and I will see=20 what I can do. As I've said any experience gained from the existing RISC OS/Beebug RTF=20 loader has been lost. I've started from scratch. In one way it is better because it will load pictures in RTF files. I=20 presume the Beebug one didn't do that (no WMF/EMF rendering in the RISC=20 OS version of Ovation Pro). The main program has been tinkered with. There is now an (optional) font=20 sample attached to the font menu. The RTF filter installer is available from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Filters/InstallRTF.exe The current version of Ovation Pro for Windows (2.90 14th. March) from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Sat Mar 18 14:10:25 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FKYGU-3W6000-02-B0T."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:10:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FKYGU-3W6000-02-B0T; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:02:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FKYGU-3W6000-02 for david@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:02:30 +0000 Received: from [212.158.248.7] (helo=mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FKYGU-0005Ha-6K for david@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:02:30 +0000 Received: by mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 789D1711720; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:02:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Abuse: Please report all spam/abuse matters to abuse@bulldogdsl.com Received: from [84.9.235.36] (host-84-9-235-36.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.235.36]) by mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E425371170E for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:02:26 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <441BDAF5.8070302@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:03:33 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF Files -- first impressions References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com> <534f61014e.michael@talibard.com> <4effdbf79asbellon@sbellon.de> <4e05014d57steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <7fac11054e.michael@talibard.com> <3JPv+$DaR2GEFwcF@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3JPv+$DaR2GEFwcF@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_DENSE,USER_AGENT, X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi David You wrote: > I've updated the Ovation Pro for Windows CD online... I've included the > new RTF loader. > > Let me know what you think of it - I'm not pretending it is complete. > Tell me what is wrong and if necessary provide examples and I will see > what I can do. Pretty good. But (using WindowsXP Pro) a few things I notice immediately are: 1. Right-click on RTF file icon > open with > OvnPro ... doesn't work. Is it supposed to? 2. Opening an RTF file from within OPW: The RTF document opens in a new window with its own master page, different from my default master page (which has 2 columns). To get it into my preferred 2-column layout I (presume) I have to EITHER cut-and-paste the text from one window to the other, OR edit the master page (see #5, below). 3. If you go to http://www2.arcl.ed.ac.uk/cbscratch/index.php?fm_dir=OPW ... you will find two documents -- an RTF file (exported from an original MSWORD document) and the same file imported into an OPW document. The default font in the original file is TimesNewRoman. Where a word contains a Unicode character, the OPW default font (Arial) has been applied to the entire word and, sometimes, adjacent words/parts of words (I've marked some examples of this in RED on pages 1 & 2 of the OPW document). Just occasionally, only the Unicode character is affected (one example marked in BLUE on page 1). 4. Hanging indents and underlining are not preserved, tho' superscript is; and Space Before/After is not always preserved. 5. Pros and cons of direct RTF import: I can cut-and-paste from an original MSWORD or RTF document onto an OPW document -- in this case, the formatting (bold, italic, etc.) is not preserved, but Unicode characters are. Why is it that cut-and-paste from MSWORD to OPW loses the formatting, but cut-and-paste between OPW documents doesn't? In haste ... Regards -- Clive Bonsall Head of Archaeology School of Arts, Culture and Environment University of Edinburgh Old High School Infirmary Street Edinburgh, EH1 1LT Tel: +44-131-650 2375/666 0262 Fax: +44-131-650 2378 Archaeology Home Page: http://www.arcl.ed.ac.uk/ Personal Home Page: http://www.arcl.ed.ac.uk/arch/clivebonsall/ Masters programmes: http://www.arcl.ed.ac.uk/Archaeology_PG_MSc.html From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 18 17:19:59 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FKf1E-1PuGPo-06-CmF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:19:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FKf1E-1PuGPo-06-CmF; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:15:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FKf1E-1PuGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:15:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FKf19-0006Mx-SS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:15:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEBC12BD3C2; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25839-07; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 56B932BD38A; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:14:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9B5AE2BD30C for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25598-04 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3EC062BD30A for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from watsnees.demon.co.uk ([80.177.152.227] helo=panther) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FKf0N-000KVs-Fh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:14:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:13:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows - Tooltips Message-ID: <4e09a24f57frank@aaug.net> References: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 137 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: frank@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >While trying the evening before last, to show a mixed audience (RISC O= S > >and Windows) the common and different features of OPro on the two > >platforms > Could they see any difference... (a lack of difference might be a=20 > criticism) The RISC OS people were surprised at the similarities, particularly when = a "right-click" brought up a familiar dialogue window. (Ooh, aah!) The Windows people (aware of OPro, but certainly not familiar with it) were certainly interested, but thought the lack of tooltips for the button bar (even in its default length) was unhelpful.=20 Yes, Shift-F1 provides Help, but if you can't remember which is the button you want, it takes a long time sorting through the buttons. This is not a problem on the RISC OS version because of the trio of pop-up help applications which can be run as optional. I have been using OPro on RISC OS for years, but I manage to remember only those buttons which I use regularly. Beyond that point, I need to switch on !Float (Thank you, Steve Fryatt) because BubbleHelp does not work on the Iyonix. (Yes, I know BubbleHelp cannot be updated.) > >Inevitably, one of our Windows members asked "Where are the Tooltips?"= . > Position the pointer over a tool... Yes, fine, see below. But ... > So there are some tool tips in the program. > My feeling is that interactive help in general is a good thing. However= =20 > it does tend to get in the way most of the time. In my opinion pressing= =20 > Shift+F1 and getting help on just the thing I want to know at that=20 > moment about is great. But not if you have a multitude of buttons and can't remember which is the one you want. The toolbar with its limited number of buttons is just sufficiently memorable to not need tooltips - so it has them. (8-)> > However many a time I play a game of trying to see what is underneath=20 > the "helpful" tool tip that Windows is putting in my way.=20 It takes less effort to move the pointer to make the tooltip disappear temporarily (or even wait the 5 seconds for normal tooltips to self-cancel) than doing Shift-F1 and dropping the "question mark pointer" on the button to be interrogated. On the other hand, Adobe Reader presents a very good model for a toolbar, where the tooltip pane opens just at the bottom end of the pointer's shaft, thus not obscuring what is being pointed at. > You can also=20 > play another game where most of the time information pops up, but=20 > sometimes it doesn't. This is moving away from help, towards=20 > information. > I didn't invent or write Bubble Help for RISC OS, but I had a lot to do= =20 > with making it available and getting it included with Ovation Pro. I=20 > wonder how many people actually used it and for how long. BubbleHelp is still my favourite, when using the RISC PC! > All too often > the people who need help don't know how to get it - Shift+F1 is a good=20 > example, so are the !Help files on RISC OS. Yes, but only BubbleHelp or equivalent (tooltips on Windows) provide the immediate reminder which some people (maybe a lot of people?) need. > I did some tooltips for Windows, and then stopped. I can go further, > e.g. extend the system from tools to buttons or to the info palette. I, for one, would be delighted to have tooltips for the Windows version button bar. By all means make it a payable upgrade. (Follow the Icon Technology model.) > I'd certainly include an option to turn off tool tips. Yes, just like BubbleHelp where you can use a default keystroke if the iconbar icon has been switched off in Choices. > The other point, is that usually when I want help on an option it is > not available. Happens with the billion dollar software from > MicroSoft, happens with mine too. Would it be possible to have a standard "script" insert for the button macros so that individuals could insert their own tooltips (if necessary)= ? In any event, David, thank you very much for your continuing development. Best wishes. --=20 Frank Watkinson. email: Using !Pluto 3.04c on Iyon= ix 5.09. Still RPC-SA (4.39 Adjust) for some things. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 18 17:30:00 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FKfCz-1tZGPo-06-CaU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:30:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FKfCz-1tZGPo-06-CaU; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:27:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FKfCz-1tZGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:27:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FKfCy-0002bl-Gp for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:27:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5902C2BD153; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27470-04; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FD5B2BD393; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:26:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA65A2BD155 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27206-05 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF7462BD213 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:26:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-180-182.as15444.net [82.163.180.182]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2IHQ63Q026966 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:26:06 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows - Tooltips (getting OT) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:25:37 GMT Message-ID: References: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> <4e09a24f57frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4e09a24f57frank@aaug.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.099, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.05, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 138 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 18 Mar 2006 Frank Watkinson wrote: [snip] > Yes, Shift-F1 provides Help, but if you can't remember which is the > button you want, it takes a long time sorting through the buttons. This > is not a problem on the RISC OS version because of the trio of pop-up > help applications which can be run as optional. I have been using OPro = on > RISC OS for years, but I manage to remember only those buttons which I > use regularly. Beyond that point, I need to switch on !Float (Thank you= , > Steve Fryatt) because BubbleHelp does not work on the Iyonix. (Yes, I > know BubbleHelp cannot be updated.) But Iyonix Help, here at any rate, works very much as BubbleHelp used=20 to, if I remember rightly. With best wishes, Peter. --=20 Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Mar 18 23:00:16 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FKkGs-0Bb000-01-G37."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:00:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FKkGs-0Bb000-01-G37; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:51:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FKkGs-0Bb000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:51:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FKkGr-0007gP-RJ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:51:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 321CC2BD605; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00773-07; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D4B332BD60E; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:50:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 795222BD20C for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00653-03 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 444E62BCD74 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FKkG7-0007yQ-AV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:50:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 22:49:31 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows - Tooltips References: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> <4e09a24f57frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4e09a24f57frank@aaug.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 139 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >were certainly interested, but thought the lack of tooltips for the >button bar (even in its default length) was unhelpful. I think tooltips might be necessary but not sufficient for them to buy=20 it. (by the way, thank you for showing the program) >Yes, Shift-F1 provides Help, but if you can't remember which is the >button you want, it takes a long time sorting through the buttons. That is a good point. With a lot of buttons it is hard to keep doing=20 Shift F1 help. Perhaps I could be daring and scrap all the little=20 pictures and just have text buttons. >Steve Fryatt) because BubbleHelp does not work on the Iyonix. I'd forgotten that. > (Yes, I >know BubbleHelp cannot be updated.) Nothing is impossible. >It takes less effort to move the pointer to make the tooltip disappear >temporarily (or even wait the 5 seconds for normal tooltips to >self-cancel) than doing Shift-F1 and dropping the "question mark >pointer" on the button to be interrogated. But needing help is a rare case, tool tips getting in the way is common,=20 so overall the time wasted is greater. >I, for one, would be delighted to have tooltips for the Windows version >button bar. By all means make it a payable upgrade. (Follow the Icon >Technology model.) It is dead easy to add tooltips. >Would it be possible to have a standard "script" insert for the button >macros so that individuals could insert their own tooltips (if necessary= )? The user interface does not support help strings for button macros.=20 However the script language does. So it is reasonably easy to edit the=20 help information for any button you like. The debatable thing is if it is necessary to have a separate tooltip as=20 well as the existing help information for buttons. If so I may have to=20 extend the define macro function. That's all very easy, but it does mean that anyone who has saved their=20 macros would not see any new strings. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Mon Mar 20 22:24:45 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FLSkI-1AGVbs-06-ECH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:24:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FLSkI-1AGVbs-06-ECH; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:21:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FLSkI-1AGVbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:21:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FLSkI-0000nS-8B for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:21:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AA7882BD85E; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31612-10; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58F5C2BD917; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:20:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CFBE22BD85E for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31436-08 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9BD102BD62C for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from watsnees.demon.co.uk ([80.177.152.227] helo=panther) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FLSjX-000Ffr-KA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:20:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:20:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows - Tooltips Message-ID: <4e0ac60b80frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> <4e09a24f57frank@aaug.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 140 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: frank@aaug.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > >Yes, Shift-F1 provides Help, but if you can't remember which is the > >button you want, it takes a long time sorting through the buttons. > That is a good point. With a lot of buttons it is hard to keep doing=20 > Shift F1 help. Perhaps I could be daring and scrap all the little=20 > pictures and just have text buttons. Surely, the buttons would then be too big! (8-)> [Snip] > >It takes less effort to move the pointer to make the tooltip disappear > >temporarily (or even wait the 5 seconds for normal tooltips to > >self-cancel) than doing Shift-F1 and dropping the "question mark > >pointer" on the button to be interrogated. > But needing help is a rare case, tool tips getting in the way is common= ,=20 > so overall the time wasted is greater. I have nothing against Shift-F1 for Help as such, but tooltips (like usin= g BubbleHelp) give a brief reminder of the buttons function and sometimes a= =20 bit more. For the buttonbar, the argument that tooltips would get in the way is false. As I said previously, "Adobe Reader presents a very good model for a toolbar, where the tooltip pane opens just at the bottom end of the pointer's shaft, thus not obscuring what is being pointed at." When you have looked at Adobe Reader, take a look also at Word, at Window= s Explorer (not the Internet one!), at Windows Media Player. I am sure ther= e are many more examples of applications with non-obscuring tooltips for buttons arranged across the window. > >I, for one, would be delighted to have tooltips for the Windows versio= n > >button bar. By all means make it a payable upgrade. (Follow the Icon > >Technology model.) > It is dead easy to add tooltips. Oh, good! > >Would it be possible to have a standard "script" insert for the button > >macros so that individuals could insert their own tooltips (if necessa= ry)? > The user interface does not support help strings for button macros.=20 > However the script language does. So it is reasonably easy to edit the=20 > help information for any button you like. > The debatable thing is if it is necessary to have a separate tooltip as= =20 > well as the existing help information for buttons. If so I may have to=20 > extend the define macro function. While some of the Help information could be shortened, even for Help, the same text could be used in the tooltip function. But the option to turn tooltips off by a keyboard short-cut would be a valued function for many users. > That's all very easy, but it does mean that anyone who has saved their=20 > macros would not see any new strings. So? Publish the new macros? I'll stop wittering now. --=20 Frank Watkinson. email: Using !Pluto 3.04c on Iyon= ix 5.09. Still RPC-SA (4.39 Adjust) for some things. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 21 00:04:49 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FLUEj-0ciGPo-06-Chq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:04:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FLUEj-0ciGPo-06-Chq; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:56:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FLUEj-0ciGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:56:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FLUEi-0006sX-FN for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:56:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E2B6F2BDDD8; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10099-07; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 923142BD8C4; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:55:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8DB6B2BDDD8 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:55:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09964-09 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:55:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com [212.158.248.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A6D32BDCE7 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:55:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 991A2714DB0; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:21:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Abuse: Please report all spam/abuse matters to abuse@bulldogdsl.com Received: from [84.9.233.89] (host-84-9-233-89.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.233.89]) by mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7575714CF3 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:20:35 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <441F3913.7060706@ed.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:21:55 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Files -- first impressions References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com> <534f61014e.michael@talibard.com> <4effdbf79asbellon@sbellon.de> <4e05014d57steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <7fac11054e.michael@talibard.com> <3JPv+$DaR2GEFwcF@pilling.demon.co.uk> <441BDAF5.8070302@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 141 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT, X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi David You wrote: >> 3. If you go to=20 >> http://www2.arcl.ed.ac.uk/cbscratch/index.php?fm_dir=3DOPW ... >=20 > Interesting. It has helped me find a bug. However the main problem is a= =20 > missing font: >=20 > Times New Roman CE >=20 > the "Unicode" text is actually ordinary 8 bit text but in this special=20 > font. The bug is that codes between 128 and 256 are not handled=20 > correctly. However that only affects specific characters, the font=20 > changes which affect pieces of text are due to the missing font. >=20 > So is MS Word emulating Unicode with multiple 8 bit fonts? Sorry, I'm lost. From where is Times New Roman CE missing -- from the=20 RTF document, or the OPW document, or both? In my Windows>Fonts directory there are 4 OpenType fonts in the Times=20 New Roman family -- ... [normal] ... Bold, ... Bold Italic, and ...=20 Italic. I assume this is standard in XPpro. If I open the RTF document in Notepad, I can see various character sets=20 listed at the beginning of the file, including: Times New Roman CE Times New Roman Cyr Times New Roman Greek Times New Roman Tur Times New Roman (Hebrew) Times New Roman (Arabic) Times New Roman Baltic Times New Roman (Vietnamese) Are these not just ranges (subsets) of the Unicode Standard, e.g.=20 Cyrillic 0400-04FF? If I save the RTF document as text(Unicode encoding) the CE characters=20 (what I have been calling "Unicode" characters) are all there. Does this offer any clues? > On top of all this there is the problem of handling Unicode in RTF, som= e=20 > genuine Unicode does occur in your document, but possibly not as part o= f=20 > the main text. Perhaps I misunderstand what is meant by a Unicode character. Let's take=20 -- MS Word identifies this as Unicode(hex)=20 0163 (which it should be). Are you saying it's not true Unicode, but=20 emulated by a special font? Regards --=20 Clive Bonsall Head of Archaeology School of Arts, Culture and Environment University of Edinburgh Old High School Infirmary Street Edinburgh, EH1 1LT Tel: +44-131-650 2375/666 0262 Fax: +44-131-650 2378 Archaeology Home Page: http://www.arcl.ed.ac.uk/ Personal Home Page: http://www.arcl.ed.ac.uk/arch/clivebonsall/ Masters programmes: http://www.arcl.ed.ac.uk/Archaeology_PG_MSc.html From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 21 03:35:01 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FLXdf-0vjVbs-07-9Iu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:35:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FLXdf-0vjVbs-07-9Iu; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:34:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FLXdf-0vjVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:34:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FLXdf-0006Ia-Am for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:34:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BA5FD2BDB3C; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03248-06; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E0D92BDBF4; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:33:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 78A942BDB3C for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03146-06 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 41EA42BDAF1 for ; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 22:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FLXcu-0003UU-1R for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:33:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:32:36 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Files -- first impressions References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com> <534f61014e.michael@talibard.com> <4effdbf79asbellon@sbellon.de> <4e05014d57steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <7fac11054e.michael@talibard.com> <3JPv+$DaR2GEFwcF@pilling.demon.co.uk> <441BDAF5.8070302@ed.ac.uk> <441F3913.7060706@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <441F3913.7060706@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 142 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Sorry, I'm lost. From where is Times New Roman CE missing -- from the >RTF document, or the OPW document, or both? From your computer. The RTF file contains references to it, the resulting OP DDL file does=20 too. It is an oddity that there is no warning about missing fonts in DDL=20 files, they just get set to the default font. If you create a font mapping (OP font manager) for Times New Roman CE to Times New Roman the effect will go away. However due to the bug in the RTF loader you=20 have the characters may not be right, but at least the bursts of Arial=20 will go away. >Are these not just ranges (subsets) of the Unicode Standard, e.g. >Cyrillic 0400-04FF? Some weeks back you pointed out that you got two lots of Times fonts.=20 That was caused by a little known font mapping feature in Windows. Another aspect is that it allows fonts to be invented which cover a=20 subset of a Unicode font. However not all software implements this=20 feature. See: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows=20 NT\CurrentVersion\FontSubstitutes >Perhaps I misunderstand what is meant by a Unicode character. Let's take > -- MS Word identifies this as Unicode(hex) >0163 (which it should be). Are you saying it's not true Unicode, but >emulated by a special font? You can specify the glyph by either unicode 0x163 or by an 8 bit code in=20 an 8 bit font. (actually code 254 in the Windows Central Europe=20 character set). This is easy enough to see in OP. Open the characters window, F11,=20 select the Central Europe character set, and there it is. Position 254=20 (bottom right) with Unicode 0x163. I've found the above interesting. I now understand a bit more than I=20 did. Again I've fallen victim to the Windows font substitution feature.=20 How I'll get around this I don't know. One approach would be to have an option in OP to display the synthesised=20 fonts on the font menu. Another would be to convert to Unicode fonts and=20 codes in the RTF loader. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 21 13:39:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FLcNj-47T000-05-D5M."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:39:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FLcNj-47T000-05-D5M; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:38:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FLcNj-47T000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:38:23 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FLcNi-0004CJ-VT for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:38:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 60EF42BE124; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:38:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02056-05; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:38:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1F0FE2BD7CD; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:38:22 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:37:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7DCEF2BE124 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:37:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01830-09 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:37:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 23B5E2BE0FA for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 03:37:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.9] (i-83-67-120-195.freedom2surf.net [83.67.120.195]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k2L8ba5K006811 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:37:36 GMT Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:35:34 +0000 From: Ray Dawson To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows - Tooltips Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> <4e09a24f57frank@aaug.net> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: MagRay User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Windows-XP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 143 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@raydawson.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: >=20 > > Yes, Shift-F1 provides Help, but if you can't remember which is the > > button you want, it takes a long time sorting through the buttons. >=20 > That is a good point. With a lot of buttons it is hard to keep doing > Shift F1 help. Perhaps I could be daring and scrap all the little > pictures and just have text buttons. >=20 Perhaps you could have a tooltip on the Help button saying 'Press Shift-F= 1 on a button for tooltips'? Cheers, Ray D From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 21 13:39:53 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FLfgP-38R000-02-9mg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:39:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FLfgP-38R000-02-9mg; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:09:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FLfgP-38R000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:09:53 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FLfgO-0006Ou-OK for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:09:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1063C2BE26C; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:09:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29220-07; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:09:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC0892BE296; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:08:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 112FF2BE26C for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29032-06 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:08:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay04.plus.net (pih-relay04.plus.net [212.159.14.131]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ABE392BE2A1 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:08:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from penniceard.plus.com ([80.229.17.10] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FLffP-00048z-Ke for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:08:51 +0000 Message-ID: <441FECD8.80005@penniceard.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:08:56 +0000 From: Roger Penniceard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Running OP from removable drive. References: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> <4e09a24f57frank@aaug.net> <4e0ac60b80frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: <4e0ac60b80frank@aaug.net> Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 144 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@penniceard.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In short is it possible to run Ovation Pro for Windows from a removable=20 drive rather than installing a temporary version on the host computer.=20 Most of the files I want to use on the move are OP files and I want to=20 be able to read and modify them and sadly most Windows computers don't=20 have OP installed as standard although hopefully one day that may change! Thanks Roger From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 21 13:49:46 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FLhAY-1Awknw-03-Gp3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:49:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FLhAY-1Awknw-03-Gp3; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:45:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FLhAY-1Awknw-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:45:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FLhAY-0005fJ-GI for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:45:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DC34F2BDC4F; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:45:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09438-04; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:45:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9D4FF2BDAF9; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:45:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:44:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3B7442BE1C0 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09320-03 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.33]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id BA6B32BDB3F for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:44:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 54975 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2006 13:44:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Organization:Reply-To:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To:X-Mailer:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=lN/Ry4e7UBDCsHqvuHZLlR3wdUj3saUCD45GgwS0DEGrEkTUrTbEr+5MonQdoT3AURtlxdcsr58PcRYzWZXbnR7MmCu0vgo8gFqA8l2se4WsqtIjpjBJPjPHCe/r7mTkP8Zit1G0GkDyUZCrMzMAOqGyggEfWFFca/JPeqFRvCs= ; Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (paul?witheridge@82.13.135.56 with login) by smtp002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2006 13:44:19 -0000 From: Paul Witheridge To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows - Tooltips Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:44:24 +0000 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: References: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> <4e09a24f57frank@aaug.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0612-0, 20/03/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 145 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: paul_witheridge@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, USER_AGENT_FORTE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I would like to add my voice in favour of tooltips. Most windows applications have them, and an application that does not provide them sticks out like a sore thumb. They are very useful, not only when you come across an application for the first time, but also when you have not used it for a few months, and just need to remember what buttons, etc, do what. I note that some applications have a status bar (usually at the bottom of the main window), where hints can appear instead of/as well as the tooltips (however, I have to say that I am so conditioned to tooltips, that I forget to look at the status bar). I agree that, once you know what you are doing, the tooltips can be a damn nuisance, obscuring exactly what it was you want to see. In applications I have written for windows, I usually provide a setting to turn them off. -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 21 13:59:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FLhJx-1VcVbs-01-Gfe."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:59:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FLhJx-1VcVbs-01-Gfe; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:54:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FLhJx-1VcVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:54:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FLhJu-0004ww-LG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:54:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 874442BDA55; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10950-07; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 412CD2BDA9C; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:53:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98B042BE0CC for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10784-05 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 214B52BDEF5 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FLhJ3-000B6F-D7 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:53:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:52:18 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Running OP from removable drive. References: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> <4e09a24f57frank@aaug.net> <4e0ac60b80frank@aaug.net> <441FECD8.80005@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <441FECD8.80005@penniceard.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 146 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) writes >In short is it possible to run Ovation Pro for Windows from a removable >drive No. It depends on a couple of registry variables to locate its resources. I=20 guess you could soon work these out and set them up on machines. I've looked at the U3 consortium idea in recent weeks. This is a way of=20 allowing Win apps to run from flash memory discs. So you can tote your=20 apps around on a flash disc and run them on different machines. Again the world catches up with RISC OS. I always thought it was a good=20 idea for everything connected with a !app to live in the !app folder.=20 Then !apps could be moved and removed easily. Alas later work on RISC OS has moved away from this idea and gone over=20 to the Win system of splattering files around. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 21 14:29:46 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FLhlv-3anVbs-05-GDg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:29:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FLhlv-3anVbs-05-GDg; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:23:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FLhlv-3anVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:23:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FLhlv-00022U-5d for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:23:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7E4312BDC3F; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15864-10; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A9F12BD875; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:22:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0CA702BDC3F for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:22:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15737-01 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:22:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com [212.158.248.8]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B804B2BDC4F for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 09:22:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C765845F5A; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:22:57 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Abuse: Please report all spam/abuse matters to abuse@bulldogdsl.com Received: from [84.9.235.173] (host-84-9-235-173.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.235.173]) by mcr-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D4D845D2A for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:22:54 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <44200C87.4020204@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:24:07 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Files -- first impressions References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com> <534f61014e.michael@talibard.com> <4effdbf79asbellon@sbellon.de> <4e05014d57steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <7fac11054e.michael@talibard.com> <3JPv+$DaR2GEFwcF@pilling.demon.co.uk> <441BDAF5.8070302@ed.ac.uk> <441F3913.7060706@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 147 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: >> From where is Times New Roman CE missing ... >=20 > From your computer. For the reason described here(?):=20 http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=3Dkb;en-us;291354&spid=3D2530&sid=3D95= 9 I'm using MS Office Word 2003. >=20 > The RTF file contains references to it, the resulting OP DDL file does=20 > too. It is an oddity that there is no warning about missing fonts in DD= L=20 > files, they just get set to the default font. Aha. > If you create a font mapping (OP font manager) for >=20 > Times New Roman CE to Times New Roman >=20 > the effect will go away.=20 That's useful to know. >>Are these not just ranges (subsets) of the Unicode Standard, e.g. >>Cyrillic 0400-04FF? >=20 >=20 > Some weeks back you pointed out that you got two lots of Times fonts.=20 > That was caused by a little known font mapping feature in Windows. >=20 > Another aspect is that it allows fonts to be invented which cover a=20 > subset of a Unicode font. However not all software implements this=20 > feature. >=20 > See: >=20 > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows=20 > NT\CurrentVersion\FontSubstitutes OK, I think I'm beginning to understand ... > I've found the above interesting. I now understand a bit more than I=20 > did. Again I've fallen victim to the Windows font substitution feature.= =20 > How I'll get around this I don't know. Will the following help? In the usual place, you will find RTFtest2.zip containing: (1) original=20 MSWord document, (2) RTF version generated by OpenOffice Writer v2.0=20 (from the MSWord file), (3) Same RTF imported into OPW. The OpenOffice RTF is pretty close to the original MSWord document and,=20 as far as I can see, there's no reference to Times New Roman CE, etc. in=20 the OpenOffice RTF -- which would suggest to me that OO has dealt=20 effectively with the Windows font substitution. Looking at the OpenOffice RTF in OPW ... - there's a (unwanted) font change in the first two lines, but no font=20 change provoked by "Unicode" characters/missing fonts (as happened with=20 MSWord RTF) - hanging indents, space before/after paragraph, allcaps, underlining,=20 bullet points, superscript, etc. still not interpreted correctly (and=20 Unicode, of course). --=20 Clive Bonsall C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Tue Mar 21 16:19:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FLjUJ-4Rr000-08-EVI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:19:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FLjUJ-4Rr000-08-EVI; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:13:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FLjUJ-4Rr000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:13:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FLjUH-00024C-W2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:13:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A8D282BE631; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02440-01; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 541712BE433; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:07:46 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 99FD32BB27B for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02274-10 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E8B422BE60C for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:07:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FLjNt-000L9B-94 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:07:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:05:12 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Files -- first impressions References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com> <534f61014e.michael@talibard.com> <4effdbf79asbellon@sbellon.de> <4e05014d57steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <7fac11054e.michael@talibard.com> <3JPv+$DaR2GEFwcF@pilling.demon.co.uk> <441BDAF5.8070302@ed.ac.uk> <441F3913.7060706@ed.ac.uk> <44200C87.4020204@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <44200C87.4020204@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 148 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >The OpenOffice RTF is pretty close to the original MSWord document and, >as far as I can see, there's no reference to Times New Roman CE, etc. in >the OpenOffice RTF -- which would suggest to me that OO has dealt >effectively with the Windows font substitution. Thank you. Yes it seems that the OO RTF uses more of the \u codes which=20 insert codes outside the range 32..255 into text - in rough terms=20 Unicode characters. >bullet points, superscript, etc. still not interpreted correctly (and >Unicode, of course). Yes and due to the bug, all codes above 128 not done correctly. Anyway I'll certainly support the \u code in RTF soon. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 22 14:11:22 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FM2ot-1jyVbs-04-CDk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:11:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FM2ot-1jyVbs-04-CDk; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:52:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FM2ot-1jyVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:52:11 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FM2ot-0000aB-Hg for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:52:11 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA5BC2BDC2E; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30494-09; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A1E8E2BDBB5; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:51:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 563142BE073 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30379-09 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 226F12BDCB7 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC (81-178-203-102.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.203.102]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61E6E000192 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:51:24 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:40:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Running OP from removable drive. Message-ID: <4e0b8829d7steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4e08792611frank@aaug.net> <4e09a24f57frank@aaug.net> <4e0ac60b80frank@aaug.net> <441FECD8.80005@penniceard.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 149 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 21 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > writes > >In short is it possible to run Ovation Pro for Windows from a removabl= e > >drive > No. > It depends on a couple of registry variables to locate its resources. I= =20 > guess you could soon work these out and set them up on machines. It doesn't take much to write the registry values and then delete them wh= en you shut down the application. A small vbscript that puts the values in and then checks at intervals for the existence of the OvationPro process to decide whether to remove them = or not should suffice. Use the script to start OvP itself after the values are in place. Of course the better way is to to do it in a launcher to avoid people twiddling the script to do something totally unintended. --=20 Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Mar 26 04:13:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FNLdD-1P1GPo-03-Gea."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 04:13:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FNLdD-1P1GPo-03-Gea; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 03:09:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FNLdD-1P1GPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 03:09:31 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FNLdC-0001cc-Lx for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 03:09:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 316E32C0FCA; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:09:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17804-07; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:09:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D50EB2C0F63; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:08:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C4D102C0FCA for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17654-09 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 938562C0F63 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FNLcT-000P8O-Cz for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 03:08:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 04:07:10 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OvHTML v0.42 source code MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 150 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Richard Murray tells me the souce code for OvHTML is now available from: http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/ovhtmlsrc.html OvHTML is a HTML loader/saver for Ovation Pro for RISC OS and Windows,=20 available from: http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/ovhtml.html --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 31 21:18:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FPPy1-1SDGPo-05-GBW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:18:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FPPy1-1SDGPo-05-GBW; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:11:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FPPy1-1SDGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:11:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FPPy1-0001CZ-4W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:11:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6AFD12C95F0; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27656-08; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6F042C95ED; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:01:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EE1EA2C8D1D for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27559-06 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-f20.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.30]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4BD2F2C7299 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:01:34 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:01:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [82.31.9.78] X-Originating-Email: [angelacraggs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: angelacraggs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <003401c63b12$66843bb0$14f4e5d4@mypc2> From: "Angela Craggs" To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows Manual Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:01:22 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Mar 2006 20:01:34.0654 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9702DE0:01C654FD] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 151 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: angelacraggs@hotmail.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,IN_REP_TO,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Did I imagine it or was there some mention of a manual for OvPro for Wind= ows=20 being issued soon? Angela Craggs From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 31 22:48:39 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FPRNe-187000-02-Elt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 22:48:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FPRNe-187000-02-Elt; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:42:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FPRNe-187000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:42:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FPRNe-0006qu-FZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:42:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DAD142C6DCE; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10678-04; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 89F372C8C65; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:41:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3BB7C2C8EDB for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10534-03 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04D982C8CF9 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FPRMt-0009fA-Iv for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:41:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 22:39:41 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows Manual References: <003401c63b12$66843bb0$14f4e5d4@mypc2> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 152 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Did I imagine it or was there some mention of a manual for OvPro for Win= do=3D ws >being issued soon? We're talking about printed manuals, the manual in Ovation Pro document=3D= 20 form (as well as PDF) has been available for a long time either on the=3D= 20 CD or the online copy of the CD (www.davidpilling.info/cd). So, yes the printed Windows manual is available. If you've paid =3DA3100 = for=3D =3D20 a new copy of Ovation Pro for Windows then the manual will be sent to=3D2= 0 you free. Otherwise it costs =3DA315 and can be ordered from: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro.html This time the manual is a 310 page perfect bound A5 book. To be compared=3D= 20 with the spiral bound Beebug manual, and the ring binder version I=3D20 currently supply for RISC OS. It is handy but I can imagine anyone who=3D= 20 likes manuals to lay flat might not like it. The position with shipping the manuals owed to people who have bought a=3D= 20 new copy, is that all the ones for UK addresses have now been shipped.=3D= 20 I've still to do the ones for the Netherlands and Australia. --=3D20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 1 14:08:11 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FPfeS-3YM000-01-91b."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:08:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FPfeS-3YM000-01-91b; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:56:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FPfeS-3YM000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:56:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FPfeS-0000Wr-Co for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 12:56:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D8C4F2C8050; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 07:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09979-09; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 07:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 744512C7877; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 07:56:23 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 07:55:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DB4472C7A29 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 07:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09703-09 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 07:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.47]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65EC22C7877 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 07:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060401125537.LRDB29343.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:55:37 +0100 Received: from xp ([213.105.218.144]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20060401125536.KCOL16286.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@xp> for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:55:36 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c6558b$900c5420$90da69d5@xp> From: "Arthur Lacey" To: References: <003401c63b12$66843bb0$14f4e5d4@mypc2> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows Manual Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:55:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 153 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tedell@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:39 PM Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows Manual > The position with shipping the manuals owed to people who have bought a= =3D20=20 > new copy, is that all the ones for UK addresses have now been shipped.=3D= 20 Haven't seen my copy yet, David. Arthur. E. Lacey From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 1 19:27:08 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FPkhU-1nBVbs-04-CV5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:27:08 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FPkhU-1nBVbs-04-CV5; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:19:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FPkhU-1nBVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:19:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FPkhT-0000Jt-6W for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:19:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 339382C6AD7; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07657-08; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D99752C620B; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 13:19:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA0112C87B3 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07420-04 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 16D2A2C8AFA for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 13:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 88-105-180-153.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.180.153]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 01 Apr 2006 19:18:58 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAALdRLkSIGg Received: from 88-105-180-153.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.180.153]:10323 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FPkcl-000OGB-BD for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:14:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:10:44 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows Manual Message-ID: <4e10dd401bdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <000a01c6558b$900c5420$90da69d5@xp> References: <003401c63b12$66843bb0$14f4e5d4@mypc2> <000a01c6558b$900c5420$90da69d5@xp> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 154 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <000a01c6558b$900c5420$90da69d5@xp>, Arthur Lacey wrote: > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "David Pilling" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:39 PM > Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows Manual > > The position with shipping the manuals owed to people who have bought > > a=3D20 new copy, is that all the ones for UK addresses have now been > > shipped.=3D20 > Haven't seen my copy yet, David. > Arthur. E. Lacey I can add a Me too. Dave S --=20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 1 20:17:11 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FPlUk-30IVbs-05-Bhp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:17:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FPlUk-30IVbs-05-Bhp; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:10:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.104] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FPlUk-30IVbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:10:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FPlUk-0004WV-Ew for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:10:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E101C2C84DA; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17107-03; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 923E32C85E0; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:10:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7768A2C84DA for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16941-06 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45FF92C8A79 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FPlU1-000Lyo-Jy for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:10:01 +0000 Message-ID: <3DEPMFBD$sLEFwUQ@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:08:51 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows Manual References: <003401c63b12$66843bb0$14f4e5d4@mypc2> <000a01c6558b$900c5420$90da69d5@xp> <4e10dd401bdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e10dd401bdfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 155 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Haven't seen my copy yet, David. >I can add a Me too. The thing is you only get a copy of the printed manual if you've paid=3D2= 0 =3DA3100, i.e. if you've not bought an upgrade but have instead bought a=3D= 20 brand new copy for Windows. I'm sorry to put it in such blunt terms, but I hope that explains it. Now if you still think you should have a printed manual but haven't got=3D= 20 one (and live in the UK) let me know. --=3D20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 1 22:47:19 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FPnr8-1V3GPo-01-9LR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 22:47:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FPnr8-1V3GPo-01-9LR; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:42:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FPnr8-1V3GPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:42:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FPnr7-0007kx-Th for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:42:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 62A292C8F75; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14837-10; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FEA62C8F58; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 16:41:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9E8E72C8F75 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:41:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14547-05 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:41:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 50B2F2C8F58 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:41:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 88-105-188-22.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.188.22]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 01 Apr 2006 22:41:14 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAIp9LkSIGw Received: from 88-105-188-22.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.188.22]:10009 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FPnqM-000GN4-Gs for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:41:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:40:53 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows Manual Message-ID: <4e10f07d89dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <3DEPMFBD$sLEFwUQ@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <003401c63b12$66843bb0$14f4e5d4@mypc2> <000a01c6558b$900c5420$90da69d5@xp> <4e10dd401bdfs@ukgateway.net> <3DEPMFBD$sLEFwUQ@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 156 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <3DEPMFBD$sLEFwUQ@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >> Haven't seen my copy yet, David. > >I can add a Me too. > The thing is you only get a copy of the printed manual if you've paid=3D= 20 > =3DA3100, i.e. if you've not bought an upgrade but have instead bought > a=3D20 brand new copy for Windows. > I'm sorry to put it in such blunt terms, but I hope that explains it. > Now if you still think you should have a printed manual but haven't > got=3D20 one (and live in the UK) let me know. Just to assuage my confusion... It would help if there weren't =3D20 =3DA= 3100 etc in the postings. Brain not working well today, too many idiots trying to be funny. I bought a copy of RO OvPro years ago, last year I also bought a copy of Win OvPro, I have the CD here in the stand beside my desk. This was an upgrade?=20 Cheers Dave S --=20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Apr 1 23:07:19 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FPoCg-1v2GPo-08-8zt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:07:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FPoCg-1v2GPo-08-8zt; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:04:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FPoCg-1v2GPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:04:18 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FPoCg-0000bS-Io for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:04:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EB7E62C7C63; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20750-08; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EF472C851E; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 17:03:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 850AC2C7C63 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20566-09 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 542372C814E for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FPoBv-000IIT-H1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 22:03:31 +0000 Message-ID: <5Bjs8EEfhvLEFwkd@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:02:07 +0100 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows Manual References: <003401c63b12$66843bb0$14f4e5d4@mypc2> <000a01c6558b$900c5420$90da69d5@xp> <4e10dd401bdfs@ukgateway.net> <3DEPMFBD$sLEFwUQ@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4e10f07d89dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4e10f07d89dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 157 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Just to assuage my confusion... It would help if there weren't =3D20 =3D= A3100 >etc in the postings. Yep. I'd hoped that problem was solved - obviously it is not. >I bought a copy of RO OvPro years ago, last year I also bought a copy of >Win OvPro, I have the CD here in the stand beside my desk. >This was an upgrade? Yes, that was an upgrade, you paid 60 pounds for it. i.e. an upgrade from the RISC OS version to the Windows version. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941