From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 2 14:24:28 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F4ZMN-0vkVbs-08-1RnM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:24:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F4ZMN-0vkVbs-08-1RnM; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:58:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F4ZMN-0vkVbs-08; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:58:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F4ZMN-0000Bi-By; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:58:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F4ZLa-0003Zi-Af; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:57:43 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F4ZKZ-00040G-9R for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:56:39 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4ZKZ-000408-1A for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:56:39 +0000 Received: from richardbrock.plus.com ([84.92.57.121] helo=RISCOS) by relay.freeuk.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F4ZKY-000CYA-89 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:56:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:55:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs - RPC to VRPC problem Message-ID: <4df2c67a88badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4df27b0a60badger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: rb02 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > I think similar symptoms featuring the red-blue hourglass have been > reported on the Select mailing list for the last couple of versions. [Also on response to Tim Powys-Lybbe's observation - thanks Tim] I think this must be different - it's occuring on the RPC which is on RISC OS 4.02 > 100Mb (connected to a 100mb switch or hub)? It's a dual speed hub, but the lights always indicate 100Mb processes taking place... > Also is SyncDiscs running on the RPC or VRPC (pushing or pulling the > files from the RPC)? I think pulling may be more reliable. The primary directory is on the RPC, the secondary on the VRPC, run from the RPC. I'll try running it from the VRPC instead. > Anthony Thanks for your suggestion Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 2 14:24:29 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F4Zg0-1jzVbs-06-11uB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:24:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F4Zg0-1jzVbs-06-11uB; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:18:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F4Zg0-1jzVbs-06; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:18:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F4Zg0-0005pA-7F; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:18:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F4Ykm-0004vD-W1; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:19:42 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F4ZeZ-0006Pu-Sy for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:17:19 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4ZeZ-0006Pl-Ky for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:17:19 +0000 Received: from richardbrock.plus.com ([84.92.57.121] helo=RISCOS) by relay.freeuk.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F4ZeZ-000DSu-78 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:17:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:16:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs - RPC to VRPC problem Message-ID: <4df2c85dacbadger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4df27b0a60badger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: rb02 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >shows on the RPC while SyncDiscs is running, which I think indicates a > >temporary hiccup in transmission. Is there any way of adjusting the > >settings of SyncDiscs to allow longer hiccups before the 'lost > >contact' message is triggered? > No. SyncDiscs knows nothing about networks. > There may be network settings you can twiddle somewhere. I suppose in > an ideal world SyncDiscs would let you retry operations. Thanks David - I'll look around for network variables at some stage. > >And the question - I use scripts to run SyncDiscs on both systems, > >with the -quit argument. SyncDiscs runs, but does not quit at the end > >of the process. Is there a way of persuading it to do so? > -quit doesn't work on which system? Both the PC and the RPC/VRPC systems Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 2 14:24:30 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F4a3Z-2rZVbs-01-1A38."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:24:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F4a3Z-2rZVbs-01-1A38; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:43:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F4a3Z-2rZVbs-01; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:43:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F4a3Z-0007XM-6d; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:43:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F4aLF-00064w-SZ; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:01:27 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F4a1P-0003x3-S1 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:40:55 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.214] (helo=ptb-relay03.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4a1O-0003wj-1Q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:40:55 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1F4a1N-0005PH-Fr for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:40:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:37:08 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs - RPC to VRPC problem Message-ID: <8840caf24d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <4df27b0a60badger.sett@freeuk.com> <4df2c67a88badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4df2c67a88badger.sett@freeuk.com> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 2 Feb, Richard Brock wrote: > In article , Anthony Hilton > wrote: > > > I think similar symptoms featuring the red-blue hourglass have been > > reported on the Select mailing list for the last couple of versions. > > [Also on response to Tim Powys-Lybbe's observation - thanks Tim] I > think this must be different - it's occuring on the RPC which is on > RISC OS 4.02 Ioriginally found the problem between two RPCs, one running 4.33 and the other on 4.02. The thoughts of Those Who Know is that it is ShareFS that is the culprit. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 2 14:24:32 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F4bVc-1C9000-04-rY3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:24:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F4bVc-1C9000-04-rY3; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:16:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F4bVc-1C9000-04; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:16:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F4bVc-0003bl-6c; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:16:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F4bUm-0007jp-03; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:15:21 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F4bTr-0004kG-KZ for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:14:23 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4bTr-0004jt-6c for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:14:23 +0000 Received: from richardbrock.plus.com ([84.92.57.121] helo=RISCOS) by relay.freeuk.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F4bTq-000JeV-8M for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:14:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:14:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs - RPC to VRPC problem Message-ID: <4df2d31f39badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4df2c67a88badger.sett@freeuk.com> References: <4df27b0a60badger.sett@freeuk.com> <4df2c67a88badger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: rb02 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4df2c67a88badger.sett@freeuk.com>, Richard Brock wrote: > The primary directory is on the RPC, the secondary on the VRPC, run from > the RPC. I'll try running it from the VRPC instead. OK. I've tried running SyncDiscs on the VRPC with the directory on the RPC as the primary and the directory on the VRPC as the secondary. Initially it runs well and copies files appropriately. However, after a couple of minutes it crashes with a Type 5 error. Do I need to increase the wimp slot? Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 2 14:24:33 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F4bcv-1hC000-06-18Tm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:24:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F4bcv-1hC000-06-18Tm; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:23:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F4bcv-1hC000-06; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:23:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F4bcv-0002LG-GR; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:23:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F4ahi-00004y-AR; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:24:39 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F4bbU-0005rU-6U for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:22:16 +0000 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4bbT-0005rI-QM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:22:15 +0000 Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k12AMFVT002798 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:22:15 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:19:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs - RPC to VRPC problem Message-ID: <4df2d39c58bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4df27b0a60badger.sett@freeuk.com> References: <4df27b0a60badger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4df27b0a60badger.sett@freeuk.com>, Richard Brock wrote: > The problem is to do with using SyncDiscs over a network. I > have two XP PCs, one of which has VRPC and a 'real' RPC > networked (all using 100BaseT NICs). I'm using the same combination of machines. On the matter of RiscPC network interface speeds; I saw no noticeable change in transfer speeds between RiscPC and PC when I changed from an old Ant NIC (10Mbps) to a UNIpod (100Mbps). I don't think the RiscPC has a hope of achieving anything like the latter. The same phenomenon applies BTW to my PC laptop's connection to the other machines at 100Mbps on cable or 54Mbps on WiFi. No noticable difference, but if the latter drops to 11Mbps there certainly is. In other words, in the case of copying you have to look for the slowest link in the chain from disc to disk. I have only once or twice had a problem using LanMan98 on the RiscPC in copying lots of 1-2Mb digicam pictures from RiscPC to PC; never with smaller copies. I use SyncDiscs daily on the 2 discs on the RiscPC and have never had a problem. I am now using it on RiscPC to VirtualRPC on the laptop with no problem so far. I do find SyncDiscs is vulnerable to finding an open file amongst those it is set to synchronise: it errors and stops. As you don't know how far it got you have to start again. [David: it would be a nice enhancement if the file were identified and the Abort/Retry/Skip options of the filer were presented]. > ... SyncDiscs works fine between the PCs, but from the RPC to > the VRPC, it stops part way through with a message saying that > the server has lost contact with the client. ... That error is not from SyncDiscs (look at !SyncDiscs.Resources. UK.Messages); more likely from whatever you are using for transport - you don't say what you are using nor from which 'end' you are running SyncDiscs - presumably ShareFS? > ... Fairly frequently a red and blue hour-glass shows on the > RPC while SyncDiscs is running, ... I've seen that usually with Pluto when it is repairing its index, but never with SyncDiscs. > which I think indicates a temporary hiccup in transmission. ... What makes you think that? > ... Is there any way of adjusting the settings of SyncDiscs to > allow longer hiccups before the 'lost contact' message is > triggered? Or can anyone suggest what maybe wrong with the > network? See my comment on errors above. We need much more detail about your method of use. > And the question - I use scripts to run SyncDiscs on both > systems, with the -quit argument. SyncDiscs runs, but does not > quit at the end of the process. Is there a way of persuading > it to do so? I use this regularly with no problem. However, it is not obvious when SyncDiscs has quit, so I run it from a small obey file which tells me: Run .DISC_Utils.!SyncDiscs -quit Error Backup Finished Sorry for this long ramble. The topic deserves proper discussion and I hope my comments provide a few pointers. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 2 14:24:36 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F4fFH-2VE000-03-1cxU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:24:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F4fFH-2VE000-03-1cxU; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:15:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F4fFH-2VE000-03; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:15:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F4fFH-00061E-7S; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:15:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F4gFf-0006wY-2f; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:20:03 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F4fBZ-0003cD-K1 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:11:45 +0000 Received: from [194.158.229.43] (helo=mail-ps.sunrise.ch) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4fBZ-0003bk-7v for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:11:45 +0000 Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.224.166) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.070) id 43CF0E68001566F4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:11:42 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs - RPC to VRPC problem To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:23:17 +0100 Message-ID: <1e7acef24d.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4df27b0a60badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4df27b0a60badger.sett@freeuk.com> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4df27b0a60badger.sett@freeuk.com> Richard Brock wrote: > A problem and a question about SyncDiscs... > > The problem is to do with using SynDiscs over a network. I have two XP > PCs, one of which has VRPC and a 'real' RPC networked (all using 100BaseT > NICs). SyncDiscs works find between the PCs, but from the RPC to the > VRPC, it stops part way through with a message saying that the server has > lost contact with the client. Fairly frequently a red and blue hour-glass > shows on the RPC while SyncDiscs is running, which I think indicates a > temporary hiccup in transmission. Is there any way of adjusting the > settings of SyncDiscs to allow longer hiccups before the 'lost contact' > message is triggered? Or can anyone suggest what maybe wrong with the > network? Not the fault of Syndiscs but a problem within the RPC as John Balance of Castle Techn. explained to me quite some time ago. It seems some RPC's suffer from a bottleneck when the link is up at 100 Mbps. The solution is to slow down. For this I use 2 Obey files: 1. KlinkSlow which has the following line: CO. EKLink 0 10 half (with a Return at the end!) and to get back to high speed: 2. KlinkFast which has the following line: *CO. EKLink 0 Auto (with a Return at the end!) In both cases you must reset the RPC for the command to take effect. You can check the settings with: *EKInfo Sorry, cannot help you with your question. JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 2 14:54:23 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F4fjZ-06fknw-02-1LQA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:54:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F4fjZ-06fknw-02-1LQA; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:46:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F4fjZ-06fknw-02; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:46:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F4fjZ-0002iK-JS; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:46:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F4eat-0006YN-7D; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:33:52 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F4fhQ-0003bX-UQ for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:44:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4fhQ-0003bM-Fs for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:44:40 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F4fZ9-000JvD-3s for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:36:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:43:30 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs - RPC to VRPC problem References: <4df27b0a60badger.sett@freeuk.com> <1e7acef24d.janvred@smile.ch> In-Reply-To: <1e7acef24d.janvred@smile.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > 1. KlinkSlow which has the following line: Good answer. Changing to SyncDiscs. Once again this discussion seems to have ended up with "SyncDiscs crashes" and a list of possible improvements. It's likely that any crash is a result of a particular arrangement of files on disc - in other words debugging it is going to require a serious investigation. You can increase the wimp slot and it may help, however I don't design programs so that they crash unless the wimp slot keeps being fiddled with. I wonder if running out of memory completely is a possibility? When DirSync (http://home.c2i.net/jjvdgeer/riscos/dirsync.html) came out I thought that SyncDiscs would find little use. So I'm starting to wonder if someone would like to take over the program? An interest in cryptic C would be required. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. 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St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <1e7acef24d.janvred@smile.ch> JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: A mistake in my earlier message. Correct the following line to read as shown here: *CO. EKLink 0 10 half (with a Return at the end!) That is with a * before the Configure command. JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 2 20:04:40 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F4kXn-4Sdknw-01-zYu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:04:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F4kXn-4Sdknw-01-zYu; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:55:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F4kXn-4Sdknw-01; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:55:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F4kXn-000166-1W; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:55:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F4jcX-0006zL-Gf; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:55:54 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F4kVs-0003jp-Rx for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:53:04 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.157] (helo=smtp2.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4kVs-0003jk-Gp for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:53:04 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3112.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1D6DD5800096 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:53:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-6100.l1.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.76.23.212]) by mwinf3112.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id B31D05800086 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:53:03 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060202195303733.B31D05800086@mwinf3112.me.freeserve.com Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:53:00 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs - RPC to VRPC problem Message-ID: <032108f34d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4df27b0a60badger.sett@freeuk.com> <4df2d39c58bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4df2d39c58bric@f2s.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4df2d39c58bric@f2s.com> you wrote: > In article <4df27b0a60badger.sett@freeuk.com>, Richard Brock > wrote: > > > The problem is to do with using SyncDiscs over a network. I > > have two XP PCs, one of which has VRPC and a 'real' RPC > > networked (all using 100BaseT NICs). > > I'm using the same combination of machines. On the matter of > RiscPC network interface speeds; I saw no noticeable change in > transfer speeds between RiscPC and PC when I changed from an old > Ant NIC (10Mbps) to a UNIpod (100Mbps). I don't think the RiscPC > has a hope of achieving anything like the latter. The same > phenomenon applies BTW to my PC laptop's connection to the other > machines at 100Mbps on cable or 54Mbps on WiFi. No noticable > difference, but if the latter drops to 11Mbps there certainly > is. In other words, in the case of copying you have to look for > the slowest link in the chain from disc to disk. > > I have only once or twice had a problem using LanMan98 on the > RiscPC in copying lots of 1-2Mb digicam pictures from RiscPC to > PC; never with smaller copies. I use SyncDiscs daily on the 2 > discs on the RiscPC and have never had a problem. I am now > using it on RiscPC to VirtualRPC on the laptop with no problem > so far. I do find SyncDiscs is vulnerable to finding an open > file amongst those it is set to synchronise: it errors and > stops. As you don't know how far it got you have to start again. > [David: it would be a nice enhancement if the file were > identified and the Abort/Retry/Skip options of the filer were > presented]. > > > ... SyncDiscs works fine between the PCs, but from the RPC to > > the VRPC, it stops part way through with a message saying that > > the server has lost contact with the client. ... > > That error is not from SyncDiscs (look at !SyncDiscs.Resources. > UK.Messages); more likely from whatever you are using for > transport - you don't say what you are using nor from which > 'end' you are running SyncDiscs - presumably ShareFS? > > > ... Fairly frequently a red and blue hour-glass shows on the > > RPC while SyncDiscs is running, ... > > I've seen that usually with Pluto when it is repairing its > index, but never with SyncDiscs. > > > which I think indicates a temporary hiccup in transmission. ... > > What makes you think that? > > > ... Is there any way of adjusting the settings of SyncDiscs to > > allow longer hiccups before the 'lost contact' message is > > triggered? Or can anyone suggest what maybe wrong with the > > network? > > See my comment on errors above. We need much more detail about > your method of use. > > > And the question - I use scripts to run SyncDiscs on both > > systems, with the -quit argument. SyncDiscs runs, but does not > > quit at the end of the process. Is there a way of persuading > > it to do so? > > I use this regularly with no problem. However, it is not > obvious when SyncDiscs has quit, so I run it from a small obey > file which tells me: > > Run .DISC_Utils.!SyncDiscs -quit Error > Backup Finished > > Sorry for this long ramble. The topic deserves proper > discussion and I hope my comments provide a few pointers. There's been a lot of discussion of this on comp.sys.acorn.networking in the last 6 months or so. The problem is within the network software and exposed by using ShareFS. It is apparently caused by problenms with the allocation of UDP buffers. As the other network protocols use TCP transport layer, it doesn't show up with them. Copying 280MByte .WAV files will guarantee to produce problems. I can do the copy if I use the VRPC to push the files to the RPC, have the RPC network interface set to 10M half, and shut down everything else running on the RPC - background processes are likely to crash during the transfer. I can't pull these files using LanMan98 - I get an "access denied" message, which I suspect is an incorrect error message - file too large seems more likely, as it is only the size of the files which triggers the message. I believe the red hourglass might be caused by the way ShareFS created files - I think it creates the empty file at full size, writing 0s to the whole of it, before writing the data to it. While it is writing the 0s, it isn't accepting data from the source, which starts to time out. I've done a lot of experimenting with SyncDiscs over ShareFS, LanMan98, smbserve and Sunfish/NFS, and had problems in every case. Once you get a reliable network connection your next problem is likely to be caused by the imprecise timestamps used on the PC. I understand FAT32 has an accuracy of around a second. This means when a file is written by SyncDiscs it gets a timestamp which is an approximation to its RISC OS one. When the next pass occurs, that approximation is converted back to RISC OS as an exact time, and compared with the source file. The stamps differ, so the file is copied again, which, depending on the settings, can cause the first copy to be duplicated into the deleted files folder as well. It's not the fault of SyncDiscs, but there is a setting for time accuracy which can help. However I still had problems, which seem to be with file NAMES not being successfully matched, and duplicate files created. That is unresolved, so I have stopped using SyncDiscs. Using the filer to drag-copy over the original copy, with NEWER set, does get the backup done, although for the reasons detailed above, it copies things which do not need to be copied. Incidentally with an RPC in the loop, there is insignificant speed difference between any of the methods - about 1GB per hour is what I get. Copying one ADFS disc to another is slightly slower. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 2 20:54:42 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F4lK6-28VVbs-02-1OM9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:54:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F4lK6-28VVbs-02-1OM9; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:44:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F4lK6-28VVbs-02; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:44:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F4lK6-0005RZ-83; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:44:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F4kOs-0002XL-Hz; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:45:51 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F4lIf-00048T-1y for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:43:29 +0000 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4lIe-00048I-Gg for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:43:28 +0000 Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k12KhOVU001481 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:43:27 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:43:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs - RPC to VRPC problem Message-ID: <4df30cbd3ebric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4df2d39c58bric@f2s.com> References: <4df27b0a60badger.sett@freeuk.com> <4df2d39c58bric@f2s.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4df2d39c58bric@f2s.com>, [Snip] There was an 'Error' displaced in my posting whci should be: > Run .DISC_Utils.!SyncDiscs -quit > Error Backup Finished Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 2 21:34:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F4m0H-49vVbs-04-16cw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; 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Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:26:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:26:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs - RPC to VRPC problem Message-ID: <4df310b47fbric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <1e7acef24d.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4df27b0a60badger.sett@freeuk.com> <1e7acef24d.janvred@smile.ch> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <1e7acef24d.janvred@smile.ch>, JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: [Snip] > Not the fault of Syndiscs but a problem within the RPC as John > Balance of Castle Techn. explained to me quite some time ago. > ... Thankyou; very useful. I use EtherX on a UNIpod which has slightly different syntax (I have not thoroughly tested this yet): > 1. KlinkSlow which has the following line: > *CO. EKLink 0 10 half (with a Return at the end!) *Co. EXspeed 0 10 *Co. EXduplex 0 half > and to get back to high speed: > 2. KlinkFast which has the following line: > *CO. EKLink 0 Auto (with a Return at the end!) *Co. EXspeed 0 100 (or auto) *Co. EXduplex 0 full (or auto) > In both cases you must reset the RPC for the command to take > effect. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 3 01:34:56 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F4pjU-0Fkknw-01-1BQF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:34:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F4pjU-0Fkknw-01-1BQF; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:27:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F4pjU-0Fkknw-01; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:27:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F4pjU-00036T-Mv; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:27:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F4oo2-0007kM-Va; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:28:07 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F4pdc-0003vy-V9 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:21:24 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4pdc-0003uu-K4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:21:24 +0000 Received: from richardbrock.plus.com ([84.92.57.121] helo=RISCOS) by relay.freeuk.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F4pdS-0004w1-7Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:21:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:20:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: SyncDiscs - RPC to VRPC problem Message-ID: <4df32620c5badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4df310b47fbric@f2s.com> References: <4df27b0a60badger.sett@freeuk.com> <1e7acef24d.janvred@smile.ch> <4df310b47fbric@f2s.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: rb02 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4df310b47fbric@f2s.com>, Brian Carroll wrote: > In article <1e7acef24d.janvred@smile.ch>, > JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > [Snip] > > Not the fault of Syndiscs but a problem within the RPC as John > > Balance of Castle Techn. explained to me quite some time ago. > > ... > Thankyou; very useful. I use EtherX on a UNIpod which has > slightly different syntax (I have not thoroughly tested this > yet): > > 1. KlinkSlow which has the following line: > > *CO. EKLink 0 10 half (with a Return at the end!) > *Co. EXspeed 0 10 > *Co. EXduplex 0 half > > and to get back to high speed: > > 2. KlinkFast which has the following line: > > *CO. EKLink 0 Auto (with a Return at the end!) > *Co. EXspeed 0 100 (or auto) > *Co. EXduplex 0 full (or auto) > > In both cases you must reset the RPC for the command to take > > effect. > Brian. Thanks JohnvV and Brian - that seems to have solved the problem. And thanks too to everyone else who's contributed. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 3 01:34:56 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F4pnJ-0MVknw-02-1Jsw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:34:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F4pnJ-0MVknw-02-1Jsw; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:31:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F4pnJ-0MVknw-02; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:31:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F4pnJ-0001Cg-25; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:31:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F4pmA-0001KH-T0; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:30:15 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F4phb-0004IG-NA for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:25:31 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4phb-0004Gq-J5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:25:31 +0000 Received: from richardbrock.plus.com ([84.92.57.121] helo=RISCOS) by relay.freeuk.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F4phO-0005A9-6s for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:25:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:24:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs - RPC to VRPC problem Message-ID: <4df3267cf9badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4df27b0a60badger.sett@freeuk.com> <1e7acef24d.janvred@smile.ch> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: rb02 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > > 1. KlinkSlow which has the following line: > Good answer. Agreed > You can increase the wimp slot and it may help, however I don't design > programs so that they crash unless the wimp slot keeps being fiddled > with. I wonder if running out of memory completely is a possibility? Not sure what was the cause of this - about 60Mb reported free on the VRPC - in any event, altering the network settings on the RPC allows my previous script to work. Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 3 01:34:57 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F4pqN-0OHknw-05-12mq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:34:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F4pqN-0OHknw-05-12mq; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:34:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F4pqN-0OHknw-05; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:34:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F4pqN-0000nh-Ct; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:34:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F4q0t-00076c-Nf; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:45:28 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F4pkc-0004qk-MI for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:28:38 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4pkc-0004p9-HN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:28:38 +0000 Received: from richardbrock.plus.com ([84.92.57.121] helo=RISCOS) by relay.freeuk.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F4pkU-0005EE-6r for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:28:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:28:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs - RPC to VRPC problem Message-ID: <4df326d5d1badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4df2c85dacbadger.sett@freeuk.com> References: <4df27b0a60badger.sett@freeuk.com> <4df2c85dacbadger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: rb02 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4df2c85dacbadger.sett@freeuk.com>, Richard Brock wrote: > In article , David Pilling > wrote: > > -quit doesn't work on which system? > Both the PC and the RPC/VRPC systems Now that the RPC isn't giving up half way through, SyncDiscs is quitting (i.e. not ending up on the icon-bar with the SyncDiscs window open). I'll see what happens on the PCs over the next few 'backups'. Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 3 15:07:45 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F52Wv-4TPknw-03-1Wis."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:07:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F52Wv-4TPknw-03-1Wis; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:07:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F52Wv-4TPknw-03; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:07:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F52Wv-00074s-2X; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:07:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F52Vr-0001vL-P8; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:06:16 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F52Qz-00015O-2b for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:01:20 +0000 Received: from [195.188.213.4] (helo=smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F52QO-0000r3-1Q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:00:46 +0000 Received: from iyonixpc.workgroup ([82.32.7.157]) by smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:01:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:01:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] !SPrinters output Message-ID: <4df2f878d3jack@ljsevans.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2006 15:01:24.0341 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3528250:01C628D2] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have installed !Sprinters 1.03 with !Printers 01.72 on my Iyonix according to the instructions given in the Help file. The resulting file however, filetype Printout, is not recognised by Paint, Photodesk or DPlingScan, nor when type as Sprite. Have I slipped up? Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 3 15:37:48 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F5301-1zDVbs-04-h6g."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:37:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F5301-1zDVbs-04-h6g; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:37:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F5301-1zDVbs-04; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:37:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F5301-0003qd-EO; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:37:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F540k-0004Fg-H7; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:42:15 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F52xW-0000b4-On for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:34:50 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.183] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F52xW-0000ak-7s for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:34:50 +0000 Received: from [62.180.24.77] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu10) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML31I-1F52xU2VKX-0001qr; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:34:49 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !SPrinters output To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:35:21 +0100 Message-ID: <696074f34d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4df2f878d3jack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4df2f878d3jack@ljsevans.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4df2f878d3jack@ljsevans.co.uk> Jack Evans wrote: > I have installed !Sprinters 1.03 with !Printers 01.72 on my Iyonix > according to the instructions given in the Help file. > > The resulting file however, filetype Printout, is not recognised by > Paint, Photodesk or DPlingScan, nor when type as Sprite. > > Have I slipped up? Most probably yes. Check the contents of the Connection window for SPrinter in !Printers. You need to set it to SPrinter:Printout and you need to have the SPrinter application running. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 4 02:58:21 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F5DYy-1znknw-01-1cjr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 02:58:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F5DYy-1znknw-01-1cjr; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 02:54:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F5DYy-1znknw-01; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 02:54:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F5DYy-0000oa-9t; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 02:54:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F5Cdj-0000tx-9a; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 01:55:04 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F5DWl-0005Gz-Fr for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 02:51:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F5DWl-0005Gp-4A for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 02:51:55 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F5DWk-000B75-C1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 02:51:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 02:50:15 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4de08540edSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> <4def5b832aSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>>d) Displaying and/or changing tab settings is much more a battle than for >>>Publisher - no apparent option to step through the tabs - and a right tab >>>set near the end of the line gets lost under the end marker. Playing with Publisher - adjust drag on a tab moves all the tabs to the right of it at the same time. That is a nice feature. In OP one would have to painstakingly select all the tabs. However I couldn't find any other extra features. What are they? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 8 16:32:56 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F5aRB-1XgGPo-05-17L8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:32:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F5aRB-1XgGPo-05-17L8; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 03:19:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F5aRB-1XgGPo-05; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 03:19:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F5aRB-0004dZ-BG; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 03:19:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F5ZVu-0007v3-Vg; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 02:20:32 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F5aOR-0008D5-EB for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 03:16:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F5aOO-0007x7-NK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 03:16:48 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F5aOM-0008zS-EF for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 03:16:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 03:15:44 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] OPMLV Mail list reader for Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, There is a new version of Richard Murray's reader software for this mail list's archives available from: http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/opmlv/index.html -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 15 16:51:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F8CKS-2yoVbs-03-yt9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:51:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F8CKS-2yoVbs-03-yt9; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:11:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F8CKS-2yoVbs-03; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:11:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F8CKR-00043r-SH; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:11:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F8DMA-0007X0-Db; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:17:22 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F8CIO-0001yU-AB for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:09:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.83] (helo=anchor-fallback-96.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F8CIO-0001yL-4K for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:09:24 +0000 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.92]:3357 "EHLO anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net") by anchor-fallback-96.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id S1160023AbWBJOO3 (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:14:29 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F7Z2a-00012g-Fm for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:14:29 +0000 Message-ID: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:13:11 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've uploaded a new version of Ovation Pro for RISC OS: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op276.zip This version dated 9th. February fixes one small bug - end of file replace can corrupt the formatting of stories which it looks at but does not change. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 15 16:51:50 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F8Gi8-3TD000-06-uVT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:51:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F8Gi8-3TD000-06-uVT; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:52:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F8Gi8-3TD000-06; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:52:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F8Gi8-0000l9-6Y; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:52:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F8Gho-0002nS-Ps; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:51:58 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F8Gfm-0004x1-8J for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:49:50 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F8Gfl-0004wu-U1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:49:49 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-181-61.as15444.net [82.163.181.61]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CCncG5017608 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:49:38 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.21 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:49:41 GMT Message-ID: References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.03 (MsgServe/3.20) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.104, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.05, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 10 Feb 2006 David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've uploaded a new version of Ovation Pro for RISC OS: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op276.zip > > This version dated 9th. February fixes one small bug - end of file > replace can corrupt the formatting of stories which it looks at but does > not change. Pardon, Sir, error! I have 2.76 (5-Dec-2005) here already. Do you mean 2.67, perhaps? But I can't find that on the website. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Dy \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \/ __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 15 16:51:53 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F8H2N-4Cw000-04-12hk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:51:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F8H2N-4Cw000-04-12hk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:13:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F8H2N-4Cw000-04; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:13:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F8H2N-0000LK-5y; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:13:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F8G6z-000536-JK; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:13:54 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F8Gzn-0007fv-Ue for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:10:31 +0000 Received: from [84.156.235.178] (helo=roma.localnet) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F8Gzn-0007fn-I4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:10:31 +0000 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.106] helo=veni) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1F8Gzm-0000TC-00 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:10:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:10:28 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb Message-ID: <4df809a2e3sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 10 Feb 2006 David Pilling wrote: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op276.zip > > > > This version dated 9th. February fixes one small bug - end of file > > replace can corrupt the formatting of stories which it looks at but > > does not change. > Pardon, Sir, error! Not on his part. ;-) > I have 2.76 (5-Dec-2005) here already. Do you mean 2.67, perhaps? No, as David mentioned, he fixed one small bug in 2.76. And thus he didn't increase the version number but just the release date. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 15 16:52:03 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F8Hed-0kXknw-02-tYy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:52:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F8Hed-0kXknw-02-tYy; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:52:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F8Hed-0kXknw-02; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:52:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F8Hed-00063T-BB; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:52:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F8GjA-0001G5-M9; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:53:21 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F8Hd4-0007H2-DE for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:51:06 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F8Hd3-0007Gs-UC for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:51:05 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-181-61.as15444.net [82.163.181.61]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CDoqtQ025566 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:50:53 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.21 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:47:01 GMT Message-ID: <4efb0cf84d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4df809a2e3sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4df809a2e3sbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.03 (MsgServe/3.20) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.104, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.05, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 12 Feb 2006 Stefan Bellon wrote: > Dr Peter Young wrote: >> On 10 Feb 2006 David Pilling wrote: > >> > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op276.zip >> > >> > This version dated 9th. February fixes one small bug - end of file >> > replace can corrupt the formatting of stories which it looks at but >> > does not change. > >> Pardon, Sir, error! > > Not on his part. ;-) > >> I have 2.76 (5-Dec-2005) here already. Do you mean 2.67, perhaps? > > No, as David mentioned, he fixed one small bug in 2.76. And thus he > didn't increase the version number but just the release date. OIC, thanks! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 15 16:52:58 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F8iss-1m9000-08-10Qn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:52:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F8iss-1m9000-08-10Qn; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:57:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F8iss-1m9000-08; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:57:14 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F8iss-0004vs-6p; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:57:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1F8isB-0000rQ-6y; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:56:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F8jsL-0003Ck-Q8; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:00:46 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F8ioW-0002oy-D7 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:52:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F8ioW-0002op-8N for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:52:44 +0000 Received: from 212-229-246-101.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.246.101] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F8ioV-000NjQ-Ac for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:52:43 +0000 Message-ID: <003601c630ce$b2f7d360$65f6e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4df809a2e3sbellon@sbellon.de> <4efb0cf84d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:52:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>> I have 2.76 (5-Dec-2005) here already. Do you mean 2.67, perhaps? >> >> No, as David mentioned, he fixed one small bug in 2.76. And thus he >> didn't increase the version number but just the release date. > > OIC, thanks! I've got a problem. The Windows version is about to get a new feature, I need to keep the RISC OS version number less than the Windows version to indicate this. David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 15 19:31:19 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F9SHO-3PTVbs-05-1NEP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:31:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F9SHO-3PTVbs-05-1NEP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:25:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F9SHO-3PTVbs-05; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:25:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F9SHO-0005wm-GM; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:25:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F9SZK-00032A-D2; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:44:07 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F9SEK-0001F3-WE for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:22:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F9SEK-0001Eo-Pq for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:22:24 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F9SEK-0003Ty-Je for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:22:24 +0000 Message-ID: <5ov82zBw838DFwi6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:21:20 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4df809a2e3sbellon@sbellon.de> <4efb0cf84d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <003601c630ce$b2f7d360$65f6e5d4@mypc2> In-Reply-To: <003601c630ce$b2f7d360$65f6e5d4@mypc2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Non-member submission from [Ted Lacey ] David, Like others I have long had difficulty in checking to see if I have the latest version of OP. What I would like to see is for minor upgrades to have a suffix to the version, eg 2.76.1 or 2.76a. As for you dilemma with the Windows version why not take the opprtunity to to start with a new version number well distanced from the RISCOS version. And I do use both versions. -- Ted Lacey -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 15 19:51:22 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F9Sa3-054Vbs-03-gJA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:51:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F9Sa3-054Vbs-03-gJA; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:44:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F9Sa3-054Vbs-03; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:44:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F9Sa2-0007ER-TH; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:44:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F9Ss3-0005r3-Rk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:03:29 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F9SXE-0006CJ-Qh for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:41:56 +0000 Received: from [212.74.114.32] (helo=mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F9SXE-0006Bp-4m for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:41:56 +0000 Received: from 88-105-187-205.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.187.205]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 15 Feb 2006 19:41:47 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HADgM80OCFIU9LA Received: from 88-105-187-205.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.187.205]:10138 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1F9STf-000Cq8-H8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:38:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:42:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb Message-ID: <4df9b911ecdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <5ov82zBw838DFwi6@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4df809a2e3sbellon@sbellon.de> <4efb0cf84d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <003601c630ce$b2f7d360$65f6e5d4@mypc2> <5ov82zBw838DFwi6@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <5ov82zBw838DFwi6@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Non-member submission from [Ted Lacey ] > David, > Like others I have long had difficulty in checking to see if I have the > latest version of OP. What I would like to see is for minor upgrades to > have a suffix to the version, eg 2.76.1 or 2.76a. As for you dilemma > with the Windows version why not take the opprtunity to to start with a > new version number well distanced from the RISCOS version. And I do use > both versions. Now that would be agood idea, add an extra . sub suffix to the version numbers. Yes please Mr P. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 15 19:51:24 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F9SbJ-4NfVbs-08-1VR0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:51:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F9SbJ-4NfVbs-08-1VR0; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:46:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F9SbJ-4NfVbs-08; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:46:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F9SbI-0004uo-Se; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:46:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F9Rfn-0002qW-0g; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:46:44 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F9SXH-0006DB-TP for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:41:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F9SXH-0006D3-FK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:41:59 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F9SXG-0007sw-5d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:41:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:40:39 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4df809a2e3sbellon@sbellon.de> <4efb0cf84d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <003601c630ce$b2f7d360$65f6e5d4@mypc2> <5ov82zBw838DFwi6@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5ov82zBw838DFwi6@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Like others I have long had difficulty in checking to see if I have the >latest version of OP. Do you mean you don't know where to find the latest version? or that the system of version numbers and dates is confusing? Up till now I think for RISC OS there has been a steady increase in the version number. For Windows I've mostly changed the date. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 16 03:31:42 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F9Zlw-3ckVbs-06-1Fjr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:31:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F9Zlw-3ckVbs-06-1Fjr; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:25:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F9Zlw-3ckVbs-06; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:25:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F9Zlw-0003ol-1q; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:25:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1F9Ybv-0004j3-4y; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:11:12 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F9ZjP-0005d5-CH for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:22:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F9ZjP-0005cx-69 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:22:59 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F9ZjO-0002kb-IN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:22:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:21:43 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've uploaded the latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows - version 2.90 dated 9th. February 2006. *** A lot of work has been done on the program since the last version, I advise you to tread carefully for the time being. *** It is available from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe The major new feature in this is Unicode support. See: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Documentation/Unicode.dpd for more information. The other change is that it is possible to configure the time delay used to separate short click and long click drags (several people have complained about marking text giving a key pointer - that's because a long pause before dragging starts a move frame operation). There are various pros and cons to the use of Unicode. However even if you don't use it, you will gain from a new character selector window and enhanced direct PostScript generation. The main danger is managing to copy Unicode data between a document that supports it and one that does not. If you do this you'll have a document that will probably crash older versions of the program. There are a lot of error messages to prevent this, however I may not have trapped every route. Unicode gives you lots more characters at the cost of producing documents that will not load into the RISC OS version of Ovation Pro. My motivation for doing it, is to stop people coming along and pointing out the program can't display the standard Windows character set and to put an end to the madness of using multiple old style fonts to represent non-standard characters. I also thought it would be quite simple - I know better now. PostScript generation is improved because it is necessary to only put the font data for characters actually used into the output - with Unicode having up to around 65,000 characters downloading the entire character set is not an option. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 16 21:47:56 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F9qua-1EwVbs-05-ybD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:47:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F9qua-1EwVbs-05-ybD; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:43:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F9qua-1EwVbs-05; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:43:41 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F9qua-0005l2-DF; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:43:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1F9qtN-0006oe-Ap; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:42:25 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F9qrw-0006nL-I6 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:40:56 +0000 Received: from [84.156.215.57] (helo=roma.localnet) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F9qrw-0006mc-14 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:40:56 +0000 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.106] helo=veni) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1F9qru-0008J1-00 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:40:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:40:51 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb Message-ID: <4dfa47b509sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <003601c630ce$b2f7d360$65f6e5d4@mypc2> References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4df809a2e3sbellon@sbellon.de> <4efb0cf84d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <003601c630ce$b2f7d360$65f6e5d4@mypc2> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > >>> I have 2.76 (5-Dec-2005) here already. Do you mean 2.67, perhaps? > >> > >> No, as David mentioned, he fixed one small bug in 2.76. And thus he > >> didn't increase the version number but just the release date. > > > > OIC, thanks! > I've got a problem. The Windows version is about to get a new > feature, I need to keep the RISC OS version number less than the > Windows version to indicate this. 2.76.1 2.76.2 2.76.3 I don't see a problem with this. -- Stefan Bellon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 16 22:27:58 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F9rY3-3cDVbs-06-16UG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:27:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F9rY3-3cDVbs-06-16UG; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:24:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F9rY3-3cDVbs-06; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:24:27 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F9rY3-00001M-5N; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:24:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1F9rWi-0001BF-6R; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:23:04 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F9rVt-00049F-1Z for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:22:13 +0000 Received: from [203.114.128.8] (helo=mail.inspire.net.nz) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F9rVs-000495-CD for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 22:22:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (mail8-backnet [10.0.128.16]) by mail.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9461A4EE0 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:22:10 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from mail.inspire.net.nz ([10.0.128.8]) by localhost (mail8.inspire.net.nz [10.0.128.16]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25865-02 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:14:56 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from freja.khnet.nz (203-114-180-66.inspire.net.nz [203.114.180.66]) by mail.inspire.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135561A4D8D for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:22:08 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:23:30 +1300 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 Message-ID: <4dfa4b9ca6kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at inspire.net.nz Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: [snip] > Unicode gives you lots more characters at the cost of producing > documents that will not load into the RISC OS version of Ovation Pro. Yet??? > My motivation for doing it, is to stop people coming along and pointing > out the program can't display the standard Windows character set and to > put an end to the madness of using multiple old style fonts to represent > non-standard characters. > I also thought it would be quite simple - I know better now. Indeed it is not simple! > PostScript generation is improved because it is necessary to only put > the font data for characters actually used into the output - with > Unicode having up to around 65,000 characters downloading the entire > character set is not an option. Mmmmmm! At the last check I have 73000 Han ideographs alone - give or take a few. I have certainly used 18-bit codes! Is there any hope that the RISCOS version will ever use Unicode? Keith Hopper -- Sky Development -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 16 23:17:59 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1F9sM4-1JnGPo-01-XaB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:17:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1F9sM4-1JnGPo-01-XaB; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:16:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1F9sM4-1JnGPo-01; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:16:08 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1F9sM4-0002tf-J0; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:16:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1F9sKk-0004kh-LR; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:14:46 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1F9sKO-0006dm-Mq for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:14:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F9sKO-0006dg-Ed for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:14:24 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1F9sKN-0004cZ-Cm for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:14:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 23:12:55 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 References: <4dfa4b9ca6kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4dfa4b9ca6kh@waikato.ac.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Mmmmmm! At the last check I have 73000 Han ideographs alone - give or >take a few. I have certainly used 18-bit codes! OK. It does not do surrogates. It does "MicroSoft Unicode", 16 bit values. I know that some people look down on this. However it is a big step forward and more Unicode is possible in the future. I was interested to read recently that the Chinese government had ruled that only operating systems which support 32 bit values could be sold there - cue rapid modifications to Windows. When you get beyond the scripts we are used to, handling the font codes is only part of the problem - For example text that goes right to left, up to down or is composed by laying glyphs on top of one another. OP does at least recognise the existence of those fonts that start with an @ symbol, which contain characters that go up down. When I go any further I will add Unicode support to dictionaries and to the strings in the script language. The next step beyond that is to turn the program into a Windows Unicode program - so e.g. it could handle file names with Unicode in. I suspect that step means dropping support for the Windows '98 line. > Is there any hope that the RISCOS version will ever use Unicode? It was in about 1993 that George Foot said to us that if we didn't support Unicode Acorn would never get a hold in India and China. I don't think there is much hope for Unicode on RISC OS. Yes there is a Unicode font manager, I've used it in the past, I really was daft enough to listen to Pace and make the Flash plug in work on Japanese web pages. It is sad. Given the code exists, and I also have the code to solve the main problem (I guess) - that the RISC OS PostScript printer drivers don't support Unicode. However it would take months of work, as it has done on Windows. I don't believe there is enough interest to fund that work. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 17 13:50:37 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FA2DD-1hCknw-05-vp6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:50:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FA2DD-1hCknw-05-vp6; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:47:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FA2DD-1hCknw-05; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:47:40 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FA2DD-00031I-LI; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:47:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FA2Bu-0003zB-Oj; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:46:18 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FA2Bg-0007va-Qq for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:46:04 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.158] (helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FA2Bg-0007vR-HD for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:46:04 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3012.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CA4B51C00092 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:46:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from Iyonix.freeuk.com (user-2673.wfd76a.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.170.113]) by mwinf3012.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9780D1C0008C for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:46:03 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060217094603620.9780D1C0008C@mwinf3012.me.freeserve.com Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Kevin Corney X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.21 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:45:55 GMT Message-ID: <92168afa4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> References: <4dfa4b9ca6kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.03 (MsgServe/3.20) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: [snip] > > It is sad. Given the code exists, and I also have the code to solve the > main problem (I guess) - that the RISC OS PostScript printer drivers > don't support Unicode. > > However it would take months of work, as it has done on Windows. I don't > believe there is enough interest to fund that work. Why not ask OPro users? I, for one, would be prepared to PAY for such an upgrade. Kevin -- Kevin Corney, Emley, West Yorkshire, HD8 9RG Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten. - W. Ulbricht -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 17 13:50:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FA4jg-1dC000-08-11p9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:50:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FA4jg-1dC000-08-11p9; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:29:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FA4jg-1dC000-08; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:29:21 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FA4jg-0002VN-9l; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:29:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FA4iG-0002s4-NG; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:27:52 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FA4he-0006V3-GG for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:27:14 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FA4he-0006UT-1X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:27:14 +0000 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060217122709.RWKL15056.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:27:09 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.9.212.40]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060217122709.QBLE11424.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:27:09 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.21 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:28:49 +0100 Message-ID: <828293fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.03 (MsgServe/3.20) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've uploaded a new version of Ovation Pro for RISC OS: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op276.zip > > This version dated 9th. February fixes one small bug - end of file > replace can corrupt the formatting of stories which it looks at but does > not change. > > Now David, you know how much I love the program and so do may of us, but as folks have been saying "how about a chargeable update". I would willingly pay for a 'Word' reader/exporter that was built in. I also would love to see and the use of more styles using the F keys a la !Impressions. Icon Ltd do charge for their up dates and most of us buy them. I reckon there is gold in their hills. Cheers Alan -- Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 17 13:50:55 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FA5MH-4ZJ000-02-11CY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:50:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FA5MH-4ZJ000-02-11CY; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:09:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FA5MH-4ZJ000-02; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:09:13 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FA5MH-0006Wr-55; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:09:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FA5Ka-000426-8y; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:07:28 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FA5K6-0007yf-MX for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:06:58 +0000 Received: from [213.162.97.75] (helo=mail.metronet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FA5K6-0007yI-6c for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:06:58 +0000 Received: from RiscPC.clara.net (84-51-156-187.mikebi231.adsl.metronet.co.uk [84.51.156.187]) by smtp.metronet.co.uk (MetroNet Mail) with ESMTP id E5C004102BB for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:06:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Mike Binks X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:57:45 GMT Message-ID: References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <828293fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <828293fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: Holly Bank User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <828293fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> > David Pilling wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've uploaded a new version of Ovation Pro for RISC OS: >> >> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op276.zip >> >> This version dated 9th. February fixes one small bug - end of file >> replace can corrupt the formatting of stories which it looks at but does >> not change. >> >> > Now David, you know how much I love the program and so do may of us, > but as folks have been saying "how about a chargeable update". > > I would willingly pay for a 'Word' reader/exporter that was built in. > I also would love to see and the use of more styles using the F keys > a la !Impressions. > > Icon Ltd do charge for their up dates and most of us buy them. I > reckon there is gold in their hills. at lest 50p for 'adjust click save' on the save icon :-) -- Mike Binks On a RiscPC mailto:mike@hollybank.net in Bonnie Galloway http://www.hollybank.net Christian by Grace -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 17 14:09:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FA6BB-3Ziknw-05-18uA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:09:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FA6BB-3Ziknw-05-18uA; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:01:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FA6BB-3Ziknw-05; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:01:49 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FA6BB-0002Df-5V; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:01:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FA69Z-0004xI-4i; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:00:09 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FA69G-00037S-NY for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:59:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FA69G-00037K-Bo for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:59:50 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FA69F-000LyT-CD for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:59:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:58:11 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <828293fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <828293fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Now David, you know how much I love the program and so do may of us, >but as folks have been saying "how about a chargeable update". The thing about charging for upgrades is you have to multiply the cost of the upgrade by the number of people who will buy it. I know there are some very generous people around however my experience with the last upgrade leads me to believe there are not enough. >I would willingly pay for a 'Word' reader/exporter that was built in. Yes that would be a good idea. >I also would love to see and the use of more styles using the F keys >a la !Impressions. How do you mean? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 17 14:09:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FA6C4-3e1knw-08-18tH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:09:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FA6C4-3e1knw-08-18tH; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:02:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FA6C4-3e1knw-08; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:02:45 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FA6C4-0000E1-Em; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:02:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FA6Ak-0003XC-2K; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:01:22 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FA6AL-0003Ma-Ed for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:00:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FA69v-0003Gv-03 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:00:39 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FA69u-000M9h-AR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:00:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:58:59 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <828293fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >at lest 50p for 'adjust click save' on the save icon :-) How do you mean? - what is "adjust click save" -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 17 14:29:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FA6YX-0ZbVbs-06-100I."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:29:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FA6YX-0ZbVbs-06-100I; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:25:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FA6YX-0ZbVbs-06; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:25:57 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FA6YX-0003s6-9g; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:25:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FA6X5-0001QM-2R; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:24:27 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FA6Wm-0006xC-JC for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:24:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FA6Wm-0006wx-8m for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:24:08 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FA6Wl-000Eef-HT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:24:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:22:28 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 References: <4dfa4b9ca6kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: <4dfa4b9ca6kh@waikato.ac.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Non-member submission from [Keith Hopper ] In reply to my comment - > > Mmmmmm! At the last check I have 73000 Han ideographs alone - give or > >take a few. I have certainly used 18-bit codes! David responded - > OK. It does not do surrogates. It does "MicroSoft Unicode", 16 bit > values. I know that some people look down on this. However it is a big > step forward and more Unicode is possible in the future. > I was interested to read recently that the Chinese government had ruled > that only operating systems which support 32 bit values could be sold > there - cue rapid modifications to Windows. Yes! Cue linux - which handles these now - albeit in utf8 or utf16 form generally. > When you get beyond the scripts we are used to, handling the font codes > is only part of the problem - For example text that goes right to left, > up to down or is composed by laying glyphs on top of one another. Yesssssssss! I agree that that is not easy - although there are, apparently linux libraries which assist in this - and the linux internationalisation initiative too. > OP does at least recognise the existence of those fonts that start with > an @ symbol, which contain characters that go up down. A year or so ago I came across quite a good book on the subject of unicode processing (Unicode Demystified by Richard Gillam ISBN 0-201-70052-2) which, when it comes to rendering, does all but actually recommend the use of the Apple Advanced Typography (AAT) system - particularly for renderers used by 'editing'/DTP applications. I understand that this is closely followed by some of the latest linux developments - PD of course! > When I go any further I will add Unicode support to dictionaries and to > the strings in the script language. The next step beyond that is to turn > the program into a Windows Unicode program - so e.g. it could handle > file names with Unicode in. I suspect that step means dropping support > for the Windows '98 line. I understand that the basic AAT mechanism of rendering state machines is handled by existing Windows software, although the advanced positioning features are not. I would still personally recommend the one which uses simpler state machines - whatever the OS. > > Is there any hope that the RISCOS version will ever use Unicode? > It was in about 1993 that George Foot said to us that if we didn't > support Unicode Acorn would never get a hold in India and China. > I don't think there is much hope for Unicode on RISC OS. Yes there is a > Unicode font manager, I've used it in the past, I really was daft enough > to listen to Pace and make the Flash plug in work on Japanese web pages. > It is sad. Given the code exists, and I also have the code to solve the > main problem (I guess) - that the RISC OS PostScript printer drivers > don't support Unicode. > However it would take months of work, as it has done on Windows. I don't > believe there is enough interest to fund that work. I am well aware of the costs, but I wonder whether you have thought to look at any of the work being done on the Amaya web editor/browser from W3C - the code is public domain and it does handle all forms of Unicode (using the (very large) subsets of forms of Unicode encoding dictated by W3C) - on the Mac, the Windows and the linux boxes - generally using the wxwidgets library. I don't know how much of this code is running similar to yours or to the Netsurtf work, but it might offer a helping hand in reducing the total work-load involved. I'm on your side here David - and I don't have access to either Windows or Mac machines! Keith -- Inspired! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 17 14:49:45 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FA6up-2KEVbs-02-18AW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:49:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FA6up-2KEVbs-02-18AW; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:49:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FA6up-2KEVbs-02; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:49:00 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FA6up-00051E-5s; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:48:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FA6tT-0000nV-Rc; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:47:36 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FA6tD-0005tl-4G for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:47:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FA6tC-0005tf-Q5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:47:18 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FA6t3-0007PH-Cl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:47:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:45:29 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 References: <4dfa4b9ca6kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > A year or so ago I came across quite a good book on the subject of >unicode processing (Unicode Demystified by Richard Gillam ISBN >0-201-70052-2) which, when it comes to rendering, does all but actually >recommend the use of the Apple Advanced Typography (AAT) system - There is a Windows API called "Uniscribe" for handling complex scripts. > I am well aware of the costs, but I wonder whether you have thought >to look at any of the work being done on the Amaya web editor/browser Thanks for the above references. If there is public domain source then of course I'm happy to use it. However a lot of the work is specific to Ovation Pro. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 17 15:39:47 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FA7au-0yXGPo-06-yxv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:39:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FA7au-0yXGPo-06-yxv; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:32:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FA7au-0yXGPo-06; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:32:28 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FA7au-0007Fl-7M; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:32:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FA7ZY-00049b-OR; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:31:04 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FA7ZB-0005i9-9P for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:30:41 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FA7ZA-0005hx-TW for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:30:40 +0000 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060217153036.IASU23947.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:30:36 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.9.212.40]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060217153036.SXOX20737.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:30:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.21 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:21:57 +0100 Message-ID: <245ca3fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <828293fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.03 (MsgServe/3.20) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>Now David, you know how much I love the program and so do may of us, >>but as folks have been saying "how about a chargeable update". > > The thing about charging for upgrades is you have to multiply the cost > of the upgrade by the number of people who will buy it. > > I know there are some very generous people around however my experience > with the last upgrade leads me to believe there are not enough. > >>I would willingly pay for a 'Word' reader/exporter that was built in. > > Yes that would be a good idea. > >>I also would love to see and the use of more styles using the F keys >>a la !Impressions. > > How do you mean? > > Well in Imp you can go to the style menu and allocate a F key. In fact you can use amost of them (I think) , so I can highlight a sentence or a phrase and hit the F key that has been selected and bing it changes the text to what I have preset. Hope that makes sense Alan -- Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 17 15:59:48 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FA7uE-2SaGPo-08-yeb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:59:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FA7uE-2SaGPo-08-yeb; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:52:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FA7uE-2SaGPo-08; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:52:27 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FA7uE-0005mh-Az; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:52:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FA7ss-00070u-K6; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:51:02 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FA7sW-0003aY-Ay for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:50:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FA7sV-0003aN-Vb for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:50:40 +0000 Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FA7sQ-000Fru-4W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:50:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:50:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb Message-ID: <4dfaab7711mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <245ca3fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <828293fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <245ca3fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <245ca3fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com>, Alan Leighton wrote: > Well in Imp you can go to the style menu and allocate a F key. In > fact you can use amost of them (I think) , so I can highlight a > sentence or a phrase and hit the F key that has been selected and > bing it changes the text to what I have preset. . . . which is exactly how Ovation Pro works (it's so long since I used Impression that I've forgotten if it does things slightly differently). While the Edit Style window is open, pressing any valid keypress (ctrl-letter or number, function key, shift-function key, etc.) which isn't already spoken-for sets it as the keyboard shortcut for that style. I use ctrl-1 for italic, ctrl-2 for small caps and ctrl-/ for half leading, and they are set up as such in my default document. Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 17 15:59:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FA7yZ-2nJGPo-06-hXE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:59:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FA7yZ-2nJGPo-06-hXE; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:56:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FA7yZ-2nJGPo-06; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:56:56 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FA7yZ-0006RQ-JN; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:56:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FA7x1-0000Jh-JP; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:55:20 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FA7wj-0004O9-SY for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:55:01 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FA7wj-0004Nr-0v for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:55:01 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-181-61.as15444.net [82.163.181.61]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HFsruX009012 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:54:54 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.21 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:54:52 GMT Message-ID: References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <828293fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <245ca3fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <245ca3fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.03 (MsgServe/3.20) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.092, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 17 Feb 2006 Alan Leighton wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > >>>Now David, you know how much I love the program and so do may of us, >>>but as folks have been saying "how about a chargeable update". >> >> The thing about charging for upgrades is you have to multiply the cost >> of the upgrade by the number of people who will buy it. >> >> I know there are some very generous people around however my experience >> with the last upgrade leads me to believe there are not enough. >> >>>I would willingly pay for a 'Word' reader/exporter that was built in. >> >> Yes that would be a good idea. >> >>>I also would love to see and the use of more styles using the F keys >>>a la !Impressions. >> >> How do you mean? >> >> > Well in Imp you can go to the style menu and allocate a F key. In fact > you can use amost of them (I think) , so I can highlight a sentence or > a phrase and hit the F key that has been selected and bing it changes > the text to what I have preset. > Hope that makes sense But OPro does this too; I've always used it! With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 17 16:29:50 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FA8Mv-1mT000-01-16iQ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:29:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FA8Mv-1mT000-01-16iQ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:22:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FA8Mv-1mT000-01; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:22:06 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FA8Mv-0003Yh-HV; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:22:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FA8LZ-0004Ba-32; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:20:41 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FA8LP-00004u-7F for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:20:31 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FA8LO-0008WE-R8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:20:30 +0000 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060217162030.KJYX23947.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:20:30 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.9.212.40]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060217162030.UAGE11424.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:20:30 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.21 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:22:11 +0100 Message-ID: References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <828293fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <245ca3fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4dfaab7711mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dfaab7711mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.03 (MsgServe/3.20) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4dfaab7711mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> Peter Newble wrote: > In article <245ca3fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com>, Alan Leighton > wrote: >> Well in Imp you can go to the style menu and allocate a F key. In >> fact you can use amost of them (I think) , so I can highlight a >> sentence or a phrase and hit the F key that has been selected and >> bing it changes the text to what I have preset. > > . . . which is exactly how Ovation Pro works (it's so long since I > used Impression that I've forgotten if it does things slightly > differently). While the Edit Style window is open, pressing any valid > keypress (ctrl-letter or number, function key, shift-function key, > etc.) which isn't already spoken-for sets it as the keyboard shortcut > for that style. I use ctrl-1 for italic, ctrl-2 for small caps and > ctrl-/ for half leading, and they are set up as such in my default > document. > > > Peter Newble. Got it! Well done Peter and many thanks. I just didn't know that. It certainly is a real help to me. I guess I tried to reason it out with my Impressions way of thinking. Cheers Alan -- Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 17 16:49:52 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FA8ls-3ck000-08-pGR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:49:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FA8ls-3ck000-08-pGR; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:47:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FA8ls-3ck000-08; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:47:52 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FA8ls-0003sm-0Y; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:47:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FA8kH-0001rJ-Vn; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:46:15 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FA8jp-0008I2-4K for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:45:45 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FA8jo-0008Gb-Nq for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:45:44 +0000 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060217164535.LOEG23947.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:45:35 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.9.212.40]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060217164535.UGDK20737.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:45:35 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.21 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:32:48 +0100 Message-ID: References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <828293fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <245ca3fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.03 (MsgServe/3.20) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 17 Feb 2006 Alan Leighton wrote: > >> In message >> David Pilling wrote: >> >>>>Now David, you know how much I love the program and so do may of us, >>>>but as folks have been saying "how about a chargeable update". >>> >>> The thing about charging for upgrades is you have to multiply the cost >>> of the upgrade by the number of people who will buy it. >>> >>> I know there are some very generous people around however my experience >>> with the last upgrade leads me to believe there are not enough. >>> >>>>I would willingly pay for a 'Word' reader/exporter that was built in. >>> >>> Yes that would be a good idea. >>> >>>>I also would love to see and the use of more styles using the F keys >>>>a la !Impressions. >>> >>> How do you mean? >>> >>> >> Well in Imp you can go to the style menu and allocate a F key. In fact >> you can use amost of them (I think) , so I can highlight a sentence or >> a phrase and hit the F key that has been selected and bing it changes >> the text to what I have preset. >> Hope that makes sense > > But OPro does this too; I've always used it! > > With best wishes, > Yes I have got it now Peter. I kept on trying my Impression way of thinking and failed, of course. Funnily enough I am always telling folk off for the same thing! Embarrassed from M'bro Alan > -- Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 17 21:30:05 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FAD2Y-2rG000-05-122n."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:30:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FAD2Y-2rG000-05-122n; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:21:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FAD2Y-2rG000-05; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:21:22 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FAD2X-0001eQ-VE; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:21:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FAD19-0006iB-Bm; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:19:55 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAD11-0006Zc-Lo for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:19:47 +0000 Received: from [62.241.162.31] (helo=galaxy.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FAD11-0006ZW-AP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:19:47 +0000 Received: from RiscPC.argonet.co.uk (81-178-94-140.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.94.140]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50C7E0001E3 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:19:46 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Rob Hemmings (News)" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:12:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb Message-ID: <4dfac8faa6rhnews@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <828293fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Now David, you know how much I love the program and so do may of us, > >but as folks have been saying "how about a chargeable update". > The thing about charging for upgrades is you have to multiply the cost > of the upgrade by the number of people who will buy it. > I know there are some very generous people around however my experience > with the last upgrade leads me to believe there are not enough. I'm sad to hear that but for what it is worth I will definitely be prepared to pay for an upgrade with new functionality. > >I would willingly pay for a 'Word' reader/exporter that was built in. > Yes that would be a good idea. This one would be particularly useful. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport rhnews@dsl.pipex.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 17 23:00:09 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FAETE-293knw-08-10c7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:00:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FAETE-293knw-08-10c7; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:53:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FAETE-293knw-08; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:53:00 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FAETE-0000lq-AX; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:53:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FAERh-0000B8-Qk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:51:26 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAERH-0005hB-RO for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:50:59 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.132] (helo=pih-relay05.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FAERH-0005h0-J8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:50:59 +0000 Received: from [80.229.25.17] (helo=relay.plus.net) by pih-relay05.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1FAERC-0003b5-Ru; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:50:55 +0000 From: Arthur Taylor To: Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:50:54 +0000 User-Agent: TapirMail/1.04 (RISC-OS/5.10) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist Message-Id: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 you wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: > > >Now David, you know how much I love the program and so do may of us, > > >but as folks have been saying "how about a chargeable update". > > > The thing about charging for upgrades is you have to multiply the cost > > of the upgrade by the number of people who will buy it. > > > I know there are some very generous people around however my experience > > with the last upgrade leads me to believe there are not enough. > > I'm sad to hear that but for what it is worth I will definitely be > prepared to pay for an upgrade with new functionality. > > > >I would willingly pay for a 'Word' reader/exporter that was built in. > > > Yes that would be a good idea. > > This one would be particularly useful. > > > Although I'm sure I've said it before, I'll once again add a 'me to' to that. Regards, -- Arthur Taylor, Poole, Dorset -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 18 03:30:23 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FAIgl-1qAGPo-05-14v6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:30:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FAIgl-1qAGPo-05-14v6; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:23:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FAIgl-1qAGPo-05; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:23:16 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FAIgl-0004lL-NQ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:23:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FAIfC-0001tU-S8; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:21:39 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAIfH-000486-4t for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:21:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FAIfG-000480-Sg for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:21:42 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FAIfG-0002Se-0c for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:21:42 +0000 Message-ID: <9Eu9t3KzJp9DFwoK@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:20:19 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <828293fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >at lest 50p for 'adjust click save' on the save icon :-) >Pipedream, Easiwriter, Personal Accounts at least have a facility >where an 'adjust click' on the save icon saves to the last used >destination. As supplied Ovation Pro has two button macros, one is "save as", the other is "save". By default the "save as" button appears on the button bar. So if you want a save button the easiest thing is to go to the Macros window and enable the "save" button. Plan B. Is to save the bit between the cut lines as a script file (type B24 on RISC OS, extension .csc on Windows): ------------------------------------8<----------------------------------- void main(void) { defmacro2(4+64,"saveas","{if((macenv & 0xFF00)==(4<<8)) savedocument(\"\"); else if((macenv & 0xFF00)==(1<<8)) openfilesaveas(); else if((macenv & 0xFF00)==(8<<8)) macv=\"saveas\";}","saveas","Save as.|MLeft click to save the current document using the Save As dialogue box."); } ------------------------------------8<----------------------------------- Double click run it, check that you now have a "save as" button which saves when right clicked and offers to "save as" when left clicked. If it is OK, go to Macros and click on Save. I presume that is the upgrade you wanted 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 18 14:07:32 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FAMSS-1hC000-03-1ICR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:07:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FAMSS-1hC000-03-1ICR; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:24:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FAMSS-1hC000-03; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:24:44 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FAMSR-0002kv-TS; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:24:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FAMQl-0002oA-76; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:22:59 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAMQr-0002xO-QS for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:23:05 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.131] (helo=pih-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FAMQr-0002xJ-K6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:23:05 +0000 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FAMQn-0003fP-24 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:23:01 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.21 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:23:21 GMT Message-ID: <58df00fb4d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <9Eu9t3KzJp9DFwoK@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9Eu9t3KzJp9DFwoK@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.03 (MsgServe/3.23b1S) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <9Eu9t3KzJp9DFwoK@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > Plan B. Is to save the bit between the cut lines as a script file (type > B24 on RISC OS, extension .csc on Windows): > > ------------------------------------8<----------------------------------- > > void main(void) > { > defmacro2(4+64,"saveas","{if((macenv & 0xFF00)==(4<<8)) > savedocument(\"\"); else if((macenv & 0xFF00)==(1<<8)) openfilesaveas(); > else if((macenv & 0xFF00)==(8<<8)) macv=\"saveas\";}","saveas","Save > as.|MLeft click to save the current document using the Save As dialogue > box."); > > } > > ------------------------------------8<----------------------------------- > > Double click run it, check that you now have a "save as" button which > saves when right clicked and offers to "save as" when left clicked. If > it is OK, go to Macros and click on Save. But that gives an error from Ovation Pro: 'Unknown identifier openfilesaveas' -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 18 14:27:11 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FASu7-2PJ000-01-13EG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:27:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FASu7-2PJ000-01-13EG; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:17:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FASu7-2PJ000-01; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:17:44 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FASu7-0006Hf-DI; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:17:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FASsb-0002ZR-3n; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:16:09 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FASrk-0008NU-SJ for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:15:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FASrk-0008NO-J5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:15:16 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FASrj-000MGQ-CT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:15:16 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:14:10 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb References: <9Eu9t3KzJp9DFwoK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <58df00fb4d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <58df00fb4d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >But that gives an error from Ovation Pro: > >'Unknown identifier openfilesaveas' oops. If you're using RISC OS, replace openfilesaveas() with open_menu(savedocument_box(1)) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 18 21:31:52 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FAZgB-2LBGPo-02-1DVE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:31:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FAZgB-2LBGPo-02-1DVE; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:31:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FAZgB-2LBGPo-02; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:31:48 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FAZgB-0006XD-U4; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:31:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FAZeb-00019l-Uf; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:30:10 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAZec-000334-Vm for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:30:11 +0000 Received: from [62.241.163.7] (helo=blaster.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FAZec-00032f-50 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:30:10 +0000 Received: from RiscPC (81-178-214-253.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.214.253]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E7CE000180 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:30:09 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:20:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb Message-ID: <4dfb219aa6steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <828293fa4d.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 17 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >Now David, you know how much I love the program and so do may of us, > >but as folks have been saying "how about a chargeable update". > The thing about charging for upgrades is you have to multiply the cost > of the upgrade by the number of people who will buy it. > I know there are some very generous people around however my experience > with the last upgrade leads me to believe there are not enough. > >I would willingly pay for a 'Word' reader/exporter that was built in. > Yes that would be a good idea. Export as RTF and give the output a .doc name. Word just reads it as a Word rtf. For future proofing you'd need to export XLM. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 18 22:01:53 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FAa0B-02Y000-06-1DBE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:01:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FAa0B-02Y000-06-1DBE; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:52:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FAa0B-02Y000-06; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:52:27 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FAa0A-0006Nz-Tw; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:52:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FAZyS-0007tr-IL; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:50:40 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAZyc-0007oZ-4M for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:50:50 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay02.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FAZyb-0007oU-SG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:50:49 +0000 Received: from [213.162.97.75] (helo=mail.metronet.co.uk) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FAZyb-0006Pn-Fk for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:50:49 +0000 Received: from RiscPC.clara.net (84-51-156-187.mikebi231.adsl.metronet.co.uk [84.51.156.187]) by smtp.metronet.co.uk (MetroNet Mail) with ESMTP id 71EF0416188 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:04:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Mike Binks X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:04:02 GMT Message-ID: <07024cfb4d.mike@clara.net> References: <9Eu9t3KzJp9DFwoK@pilling.demon.co.uk> <58df00fb4d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Holly Bank User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>But that gives an error from Ovation Pro: >> >>'Unknown identifier openfilesaveas' > > oops. If you're using RISC OS, replace > > openfilesaveas() > > with > > open_menu(savedocument_box(1)) > > That now works - what service. Bespoke programming and all. I have sent my 50p as promised via paypal. I hope you get 499 more. Many thanks. -- Mike Binks On a RiscPC mailto:mike@hollybank.net in Bonnie Galloway http://www.hollybank.net Christian by Grace -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 18 22:21:55 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FAaRa-0yH000-08-vgn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:21:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FAaRa-0yH000-08-vgn; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:20:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FAaRa-0yH000-08; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:20:47 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FAaRa-0000FY-Jg; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:20:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FAaQ0-0004d9-Nu; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:19:08 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAaQ5-0004js-I5 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:19:13 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FAaQ5-0004jg-7k for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:19:13 +0000 Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl82-163-182-126.as15444.net [82.163.182.126]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k1IMIsmW018821 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:19:00 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:14:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] !meDDLe Version 2.00 Message-ID: <4df9ab830cray@rayfavre.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.19, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL -0.12, DATE_IN_PAST_48_96 0.26, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_48_96,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Version 2.00 of the freeware !meDDLe is now available on my web-site at: http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html !meDDLe is an application (authored using Dr Wimp, of course) which converts an OvationPro DDL document file into HTML. The main advantage of the DDL format is that it captures a complete Ovation/Impression document (with any pictures) and not just the text from a single 'story'. Version 2.00 is a major enhancement in that the application now also automatically extracts pictures and converts them to HTML-friendly file-types. Several other minor improvements have also been made. Upgraded Manuals in Impression and OvationPro formats are also on the web-site - and the DDL version of the Manual is included in the application and can be used to demonstrate the process. ----- !meDDLe firstly extracts the Styles from the input DDL file and they are presented to the user so that a mapping to HTML codes can be chosen. Subsequent processing automatically produces a complete suite of HTML pages with the text reflecting the chosen Style mappings plus 'embedded' pictures displayed in their correct places. An optional Contents page lists links to each of the other pages. The user can also chose a Style to be used to generate additional named markers e.g. to mark sub-section headings - and these will appear as indented sub-links in the Contents page. Each HTML page is also given helpful links to navigate backwards/forwards etc. -- Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 22 16:56:26 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FAnra-1ntknw-04-zJp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:56:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FAnra-1ntknw-04-zJp; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:40:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FAnra-1ntknw-04; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:40:30 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FAnra-0000Wo-3L; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:40:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FAnps-0004sq-Ip; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:38:44 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAnpq-0006l5-Ta for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:38:42 +0000 Received: from [194.247.47.231] (helo=mailout.zetnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FAnpq-0006kz-J5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:38:42 +0000 Received: from bts-0478.dialup.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.49.222] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FAnpm-00026v-N3 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:38:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael M Martin To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:30:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !meDDLe Version 2.00 Message-ID: <4dfba0de5emmartin@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4df9ab830cray@rayfavre.me.uk> References: <4df9ab830cray@rayfavre.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.04) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4df9ab830cray@rayfavre.me.uk>, Ray Favre wrote: > Version 2.00 of the freeware !meDDLe is now available on my web-site > at: > http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html > !meDDLe is an application (authored using Dr Wimp, of course) which > converts an OvationPro DDL document file into HTML. The main > advantage of the DDL format is that it captures a complete > Ovation/Impression document (with any pictures) and not just the text > from a single 'story'. Thank you Ray for the new version meDDLe, It's working a treat at this end, - this is a big step forward. Mick. -- |^^^^ Michael Martin ^^^^^ mmartin@zetnet.co.uk ^^^|Using Kinetic RiscPC| | * http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/fifepits/ *| Email and News by | | ^^^ http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mmartin/sign/ ^^^| !Pluto | |====== Risc OS immune to MS Viruses ======|===With RISC OS 4===| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 22 16:56:29 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FAo1c-2BAknw-02-qdH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:56:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FAo1c-2BAknw-02-qdH; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:50:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FAo1c-2BAknw-02; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:50:53 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FAo1c-0001hJ-Dd; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:50:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FAnzu-0008K7-Tk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:49:07 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAnzx-0008Db-0W for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:49:09 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FAnzw-0008DL-QL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:49:08 +0000 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060219124908.KXZB15056.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:49:08 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.9.212.40]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060219124908.PJLR20737.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:49:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !meDDLe Version 2.00 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.21 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:50:40 +0100 Message-ID: <6f2e9dfb4d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4df9ab830cray@rayfavre.me.uk> <4dfba0de5emmartin@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dfba0de5emmartin@zetnet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.03 (MsgServe/3.20) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4dfba0de5emmartin@zetnet.co.uk> Michael M Martin wrote: > In article <4df9ab830cray@rayfavre.me.uk>, > Ray Favre wrote: > >> Version 2.00 of the freeware !meDDLe is now available on my web-site >> at: > >> http://www.rayfavre.me.uk/dwapps.html > >> !meDDLe is an application (authored using Dr Wimp, of course) which >> converts an OvationPro DDL document file into HTML. The main >> advantage of the DDL format is that it captures a complete >> Ovation/Impression document (with any pictures) and not just the text >> from a single 'story'. > > Thank you Ray for the new version meDDLe, It's working a treat at this > end, - this is a big step forward. > > Mick. I'll be blowed if I can get it to work. 8-( Typical me Alan -- Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 22 16:56:37 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FApxo-1Y1Vbs-06-15k7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:56:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FApxo-1Y1Vbs-06-15k7; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:55:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FApxo-1Y1Vbs-06; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:55:04 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FApxn-0001Un-VS; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:55:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FApw3-0007E5-Ed; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:53:15 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FAmCG-0006Ya-G5 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:53:44 +0000 Received: from [83.146.21.8] (helo=cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FAmCG-0006YR-71 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:53:44 +0000 Received: by cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1002) id BF9D41E43BF; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:53:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [84.9.234.41] (host-84-9-234-41.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.234.41]) by cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6EE1E4390 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:53:43 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43F84E4E.5000309@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:54:06 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 and SRWE References: <4dfa4b9ca6kh@waikato.ac.nz> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-Spam-Abuse: Please report all spam/abuse matters to abuse@bulldogdsl.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) The Wildcards function in SRWE 1.05 seems not to work correctly with OPW=20 2.90 Try the following ... Type into an OPW document: "The quick brown fox" (without the double=20 quotation marks) Place the caret at the beginning of the line Bring up the SRWE dialogue box Tick and In the FIND field type: "o\." [o ] In the REPLACE field type: "EE" Press FIND The original text should become (I assume): "The quick brEEn fEE" But, in fact, "o\." is replaced with nothing, thus: "The quick brn f" I=92ve tried the above with Unicode enabled and disabled, and with=20 Document Feature level set to 4 and 5. I=92ve even shut down Windows,=20 restarted the computer, and repeated the exercise ... Makes no difference= . In contrast, everything works as expected with the standard FIND=20 dialogue (Edit>Find). ... or have I lost the plot completely? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 22 16:57:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FBDQW-3ur000-04-1Otz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:57:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FBDQW-3ur000-04-1Otz; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:58:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FBDQW-3ur000-04; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:58:17 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FBDQW-0004v8-4z; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:58:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FBDOa-0000wo-KG; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:56:16 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FBDNn-0004YQ-FD for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:55:27 +0000 Received: from [195.12.4.238] (helo=smtp01.altohiway.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FBDNn-0004XR-4w for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:55:27 +0000 Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1KFtHTl013810 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:55:18 GMT In-Reply-To: <43F84E4E.5000309@ed.ac.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 and SRWE MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:56:38 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > The Wildcards function in SRWE 1.05 seems not to work correctly with OPW > 2.90 > Looks like this has been broken for ages. I have made a change and sent a copy to Clive to try. If there is anyone else that wants to beta test it let me know. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 22 16:57:46 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FBHfO-0amGPo-03-v5Z."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:57:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FBHfO-0amGPo-03-v5Z; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:29:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FBHfO-0amGPo-03; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:29:55 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FBHfO-0001UP-Ig; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:29:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FBHdR-0001eK-IO; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:27:53 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FBHde-0005u5-2P for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:28:06 +0000 Received: from [194.158.229.42] (helo=mail-ps.sunrise.ch) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FBHdd-0005tp-PE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:28:05 +0000 Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.145) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.070) id 43CF0E3F00200CA1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:28:05 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro RISC OS 2.76 9th Feb To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:37:53 +0100 Message-ID: References: <0m5fVCB39J7DFwbe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4df809a2e3sbellon@sbellon.de> <4efb0cf84d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <4dfa47b509sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4dfa47b509sbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4dfa47b509sbellon@sbellon.de> Stefan Bellon wrote: > >> I've got a problem. The Windows version is about to get a new >> feature, I need to keep the RISC OS version number less than the >> Windows version to indicate this. > > 2.76.1 > 2.76.2 > 2.76.3 > > I don't see a problem with this. Not so sure! This allows a maximum of 9 updates (if you wish to sort them). Having seen the amount of updates David produced in the past this seems not enough. But maybe the following is an idea 2.76.01 2.76.02 2.76.03 2.76.04 etc., etc ;-)) JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 22 16:58:01 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FBXV0-1J1Vbs-05-nmT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:58:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FBXV0-1J1Vbs-05-nmT; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:24:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FBXV0-1J1Vbs-05; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:24:14 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FBXUz-0001ZY-Mr; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:24:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FBXSs-00075D-L6; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:22:03 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FBXT1-0002ox-9t for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:22:11 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.48] (helo=mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FBXT0-0002op-UR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:22:10 +0000 Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060221132202.OMVU29066.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:22:02 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([62.255.204.96]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060221132202.AML6973.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@oemcomputer> for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:22:02 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: neillmc@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:21:48 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: neillmc Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1383913==_.ALT" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE, IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --=====================_1383913==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:21 16/02/06 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, > >I've uploaded the latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows - version 2.90 >dated 9th. February 2006. > >*** A lot of work has been done on the program since the last version, I >advise you to tread carefully for the time being. *** Hi, Ever since upgrading to the above version, I cannot save any new file using "Save As", either by using the menu or by clicking the icon at the top of the page. Resaving the existing file works, but no selection can be saved either. What can I do, please? Neill McNeill --=====================_1383913==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 03:21 16/02/06 +0000, you wrote:
Hi,

I've uploaded the latest version of Ovation Pro for Windows - version 2.90 dated 9th. February 2006.

*** A lot of work has been done on the program since the last version, I advise you to tread carefully for the time being. ***


Hi,

Ever since upgrading to the above version, I cannot save any new file using "Save As", either by using the menu or by clicking the icon at the top of the page. Resaving the existing file works, but no selection can be saved either.

What can I do, please?

Neill McNeill
--=====================_1383913==_.ALT-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 22 16:58:02 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FBXaM-1mQVbs-01-14k9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:58:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FBXaM-1mQVbs-01-14k9; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:29:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FBXaM-1mQVbs-01; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:29:47 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FBXaM-0001JC-Oc; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:29:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FBXYH-0002qQ-S0; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:27:38 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FBXXv-0003vK-Gf for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:27:15 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FBXXv-0003v8-7t for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:27:15 +0000 Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl82-163-182-126.as15444.net [82.163.182.126]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k1LDQlbP031455 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:26:59 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:07:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] !meDDLe Version 2.01 Message-ID: <4dfcabdfadray@rayfavre.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.068, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.02, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hot on the heels of Version 2.00, Version 2.01 of the freeware !meDDLe is now available on my web-site at: A user experienced a problem with his particular DDL and I think the circumstances (setting/changing fonts as an Effect rather than a Style) are probably common enough that others might also run into the same issue. The use of other Effects does not cause the same problem (AFAIK!). Version 2.01 corrects it - and that is the only change. The Version 2.00 Manual is still valid. -- Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 22 16:58:19 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FBbQX-3OLVbs-08-1Hx0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:58:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FBbQX-3OLVbs-08-1Hx0; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:35:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FBbQX-3OLVbs-08; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:35:53 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FBbQW-0004ye-V2; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:35:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FBbO4-0002gO-Jo; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:33:20 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FBbNp-0002pd-9W for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:33:05 +0000 Received: from [217.12.12.204] (helo=smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) by svr1.spellings.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FBbNn-0002ng-4j for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:33:04 +0000 Received: (qmail 11822 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 17:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Iyonix) (brian?howlett@btinternet.com@86.131.226.24 with plain) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2006 17:33:02 -0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !meDDLe Version 2.01 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Brian Howlett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:25:53 GMT Message-ID: <038bc3fc4d.Brian@brianhowlett.me.uk> References: <4dfcabdfadray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dfcabdfadray@rayfavre.me.uk> X-Organization: You havin' a laff or wot? User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 X-Computer: Iyonix Panther MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 21 Feb, Ray Favre wrote: > > Hot on the heels of Version 2.00, Version 2.01 of the freeware > !meDDLe is now available on my web-site at: > [snip] > > Version 2.01 corrects it - and that is the only change. The Version > 2.00 Manual is still valid. > The new version gives an error when clicking on the Menu button to choose a mapping - Subscript out of range at line 3400. -- Brian Howlett -------------------------------------------------------------- Windows has detected that the mouse has been moved. You must restart Windows for the new setting to take effect... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 22 16:58:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FBgil-4S9Vbs-04-vbk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:58:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FBgil-4S9Vbs-04-vbk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:15:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FBgil-4S9Vbs-04; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:15:04 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FBgil-0003fa-EJ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:15:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FBggQ-0007gH-2R; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:12:38 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FBghE-0005KT-NR for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:13:28 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FBghE-0005KI-En for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:13:28 +0000 Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl82-163-182-126.as15444.net [82.163.182.126]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k1LNDIiG016797 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:13:19 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:55:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !meDDLe Version 2.01 Message-ID: <4dfce1c0afray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <038bc3fc4d.Brian@brianhowlett.me.uk> References: <4dfcabdfadray@rayfavre.me.uk> <038bc3fc4d.Brian@brianhowlett.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.062, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <038bc3fc4d.Brian@brianhowlett.me.uk>, Brian Howlett wrote: > On 21 Feb, Ray Favre wrote: > > > > Hot on the heels of Version 2.00, Version 2.01 of the freeware > > !meDDLe is now available on my web-site at: > > > [snip] > > > > Version 2.01 corrects it - and that is the only change. The > > Version 2.00 Manual is still valid. > > > The new version gives an error when clicking on the Menu button to > choose a mapping - Subscript out of range at line 3400. This doesn't happen with me, so I'll mail direct. -- Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 22 16:58:45 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FBvcm-1HZVbs-05-1Vqp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:58:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FBvcm-1HZVbs-05-1Vqp; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:09:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FBvcm-1HZVbs-05; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:09:53 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FBvcl-00057S-Th; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:09:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FBvaP-0000rn-5x; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:07:25 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FBvXW-0003cv-3f for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:04:30 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay02.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FBvX2-0003Xw-3j for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:04:16 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FBvWr-0002Bz-HF for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:03:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:01:55 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Subject: [softwarelist] SparkFS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have SparkFS on am Iyonix running RISC OS 5.10 rel 10 (just waiting for some dust to settle re 5.11). I have a zip file created on a Mac and containing some 70 odd directories mostly with 500 files in each. The total number of files I 34,249 and the total, unzipped size is 75 Mbytes. It is zipped down to 39 M. It needs to be transferred from the Mac to the Iyonix for sundry modification before going on my site. And zipping it up makes the transfer far quicker than just sending the 34,000 files via FTP. On the Iyonix I have tried several times to open the zip with SparkFS but it only shows the first four of the 30 odd directories and loses the rest. SparkFS is set for a workspace of 99M. So I tried Infozip and, from the same ZIP source file, it correctly unarchived the file and I was able to use the unarchived files well (they are all HTML) on the Iyonix in their default state before modifying same. YHBW, I suppose. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 22 16:58:47 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FBvu8-2icVbs-04-1N2x."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:58:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FBvu8-2icVbs-04-1N2x; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:27:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FBvu8-2icVbs-04; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:27:49 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FBvu7-0002KM-JI; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:27:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FBvrT-0008Mi-4S; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:25:03 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FBvrG-0006sc-CO for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:24:50 +0000 Received: from [213.161.75.129] (helo=hades.freedom2.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FBvrF-0006sS-R4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:24:50 +0000 Received: from [213.161.75.168] (helo=[10.3.0.164]) by hades.freedom2.com with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1FBvr9-0000Xs-Tq for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:24:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:24:44 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: pv Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >On the Iyonix I have tried several times to open the zip with SparkFS >but it only shows the first four of the 30 odd directories and loses >the rest. SparkFS is set for a workspace of 99M. > >So I tried Infozip and, from the same ZIP source file, it correctly >unarchived the file and I was able to use the unarchived files well >(they are all HTML) on the Iyonix in their default state before >modifying same. What version of SparkFS have you got? Also, what did you spark them up using on the Mac? Was it Stuffit? I've got a Mac, so I could experiment, test things out for you. Paul P.S. v5.11 seems ok to me. :-) -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life. (` o-o ') the Universe --- http://www.vigay.com -----------ooO-(_)-Ooo------- & Everything -------- Posted using a RISC OS powered computer - 100% immune to all email viruses. (email IS genuine - to fool junkmailers!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Feb 22 16:58:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FBx9s-0xr000-02-14kB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:58:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FBx9s-0xr000-02-14kB; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:48:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FBx9s-0xr000-02; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:48:09 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FBx9s-0006VG-RR; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:48:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FBx7Y-0007pu-K4; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:45:47 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FBx4d-0006hs-QK for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:42:54 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.131] (helo=pih-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FBx48-0006bS-II for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:42:20 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FBwXv-0000DK-Lo for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:08:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:06:14 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS Message-ID: <661640fd4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 22 Feb, pv wrote: > >On the Iyonix I have tried several times to open the zip with SparkFS > >but it only shows the first four of the 70 odd directories and loses > >the rest. SparkFS is set for a workspace of 99M. > > > >So I tried Infozip and, from the same ZIP source file, it correctly > >unarchived the file and I was able to use the unarchived files well > >(they are all HTML) on the Iyonix in their default state before > >modifying same. > > What version of SparkFS have you got? 1.41 > Also, what did you spark them up using on the Mac? Was it Stuffit? No, there is a filer option to "Create archive". OS 10.4.4 and click with Adjust. > > I've got a Mac, so I could experiment, test things out for you. Thanks. I'ld be interested to hear the result. > > Paul > P.S. v5.11 seems ok to me. :-) And we are already on to 5.11 rel 3, and I am fairly sure the niggles fixed to date would have hurt me. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 23 14:26:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCHLM-48fknw-07-11bj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:26:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCHLM-48fknw-07-11bj; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:21:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCHLM-48fknw-07; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:21:21 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCHLM-0001Eu-MC; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:21:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FCHIr-0004wd-91; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:18:45 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCHJC-0006Hw-6K for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:19:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FCHJB-0006Ho-Vp for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:19:06 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FCHJA-000Hki-8X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:19:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:17:58 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Mail list major change References: <661640fd4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <661640fd4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've just heard from the company hosting this list that they are about to stop supplying majordomo based mail lists. So the list has to move. At short notice the best idea I can come up with is smart groups. If you don't hear from me again here, you can expect to receive an invitation to join the "David Pilling Software" smart group. To add to the fun, whilst this is operation is in progress I've discovered last weeks version of Ovation Pro for Windows has a major problem - it won't save documents. A fixed version is coming up. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Feb 23 22:47:07 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCPCK-3CW000-06-lEF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:47:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCPCK-3CW000-06-lEF; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:44:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCPCK-3CW000-06; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:44:33 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCPCK-0004Ik-Ib; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:44:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FCP9T-0005c6-LV; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:41:36 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCPA4-0008M9-6B for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:42:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.94] (helo=anchor-fallback-94.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FCPA3-0008M1-SJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:42:11 +0000 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.92]:1224 "EHLO anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net") by anchor-fallback-94.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id S621031AbWBWWl5 (ORCPT ); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:41:57 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FCP9o-000D6P-Fb for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:41:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:40:27 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Mail list major change References: <661640fd4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >"David Pilling Software" smart group. Change of plan. I've had a number of very helpful suggestions. With luck I will be able to migrate the list elsewhere with no messing about. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 24 02:57:21 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCSzc-0bwVbs-08-HrP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:57:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCSzc-0bwVbs-08-HrP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:47:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCSzc-0bwVbs-08; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:47:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCSzb-00007c-S2; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:47:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A9C02A79C4; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08508-09; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 213EA2A799A; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:47:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EDA142A79B2 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08508-08 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDBBC2A799A for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FCSzZ-000Kvd-MU for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:47:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 02:46:05 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [davidpilling] Test message#1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, This is a test message -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 24 03:27:20 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCTZw-1VVVbs-06-16QB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:27:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCTZw-1VVVbs-06-16QB; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:25:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCTZw-1VVVbs-06; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:25:12 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCTZv-0004jm-Sa; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:25:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FCTX4-0005SH-7k; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:22:14 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCTYC-0004lV-OS for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:23:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FCTYC-0004lQ-DE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:23:24 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FCTYC-000Ex0-6b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:23:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:22:02 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 References: <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Ever since upgrading to the above version, I cannot save any new file using >"Save As", either by using the menu or by clicking the icon at the top of the >page. Resaving the existing file works, but no selection can be saved either. >What can I do, please? Like me, try again. I've relinked the program, I believe the reader and normal versions got mixed. The new version 2.90, 24th. February, is available from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe You do gain a little, because I've added a history buffer to search/replace. That is moving from the RISC OS style F2 to show the previous search string, to a more Windows like system with menus that let you see and select previous strings. Or you can move through them using the up/down cursor keys when the caret is in the find/replace strings. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 24 13:38:17 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCXrw-3swVbs-03-1Aeh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:38:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCXrw-3swVbs-03-1Aeh; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:00:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCXrw-3swVbs-03; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:00:05 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCXrw-0001aJ-De; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:00:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FCXox-0006Hm-F5; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:56:59 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCXqF-0008C8-EE for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:58:19 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FCXqF-0008Bg-4X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:58:19 +0000 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060224075810.TTAQ23947.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:58:10 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([81.104.8.26]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060224075809.YVPI18879.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@oemcomputer> for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:58:09 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20060224075345.00951de0@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: neillmc@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:57:49 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: neillmc Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_5624050==_.ALT" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE, IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --=====================_5624050==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:22 24/02/06 +0000, you wrote: >>Ever since upgrading to the above version, I cannot save any new file using >>"Save As", either by using the menu or by clicking the icon at the top of the >>page. Resaving the existing file works, but no selection can be saved either. >>What can I do, please? > >Like me, try again. > >I've relinked the program, I believe the reader and normal versions got mixed. > >The new version 2.90, 24th. February, is available from: > >http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe > >You do gain a little, because I've added a history buffer to search/replace. > >That is moving from the RISC OS style F2 to show the previous search >string, to a more Windows like system with menus that let you see and >select previous strings. Or you can move through them using the up/down >cursor keys when the caret is in the find/replace strings. > > > >-- >David Pilling Hi there, Having downloaded version 2.90 of 24th February, I'm sorry to say that I still get the same problem: nothing can be saved. Any other ideas? Neill McNeill --=====================_5624050==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 03:22 24/02/06 +0000, you wrote:
Ever since upgrading to the above version, I cannot save any new file using
"Save As", either by using the menu or by clicking the icon at the top of the
page. Resaving the existing file works, but no selection can be saved either.
What can I do, please?

Like me, try again.

I've relinked the program, I believe the reader and normal versions got mixed.

The new version 2.90, 24th. February, is available from:

http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe

You do gain a little, because I've added a history buffer to search/replace.

That is moving from the RISC OS style F2 to show the previous search string, to a more Windows like system with menus that let you see and select previous strings. Or you can move through them using the up/down cursor keys when the caret is in the find/replace strings.



--
David Pilling
Hi there,

 Having downloaded version 2.90 of 24th February, I'm sorry to say that I still get the same problem: nothing can be saved.
Any other ideas?

Neill McNeill
--=====================_5624050==_.ALT-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 24 13:38:55 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCYS5-1rY000-05-1R7a."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:38:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCYS5-1rY000-05-1R7a; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:37:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCYS5-1rY000-05; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:37:26 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCYS5-00029l-3N; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:37:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FCYPO-0003Ck-Nu; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:34:39 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCYP7-0005QA-7K for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:34:21 +0000 Received: from [212.158.248.7] (helo=mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FCYP6-0005Q5-VP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:34:20 +0000 Received: by mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 821A270C0AC; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:34:20 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Abuse: Please report all spam/abuse matters to abuse@bulldogdsl.com Received: from [84.9.233.182] (host-84-9-233-182.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.233.182]) by mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3DD70C22D for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:34:19 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43FEC514.5060606@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:34:28 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 References: <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > The new version 2.90, 24th. February, is available from: > > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe > > You do gain a little, because I've added a history buffer to > search/replace. Andy Ling repaired the SRWE applet a few days ago, but I notice that the old, disfunctional version is still present in this latest version of OPW ... :( -- Clive Bonsall email: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 24 13:39:00 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCZrL-2U5knw-01-1HBo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:39:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCZrL-2U5knw-01-1HBo; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:07:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCZrL-2U5knw-01; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:07:36 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCZrK-0005eW-T2; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:07:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FCZoU-0001gs-TT; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:04:39 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCZpa-0005Ia-MF for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:05:46 +0000 Received: from [195.12.4.238] (helo=smtp01.altohiway.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FCZpa-0005IG-5O for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:05:46 +0000 Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1OA5hSp003411 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:05:43 GMT In-Reply-To: <43FEC514.5060606@ed.ac.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:07:09 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > The new version 2.90, 24th. February, is available from: > > > > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe > > > > You do gain a little, because I've added a history buffer to > > search/replace. > > Andy Ling repaired the SRWE applet a few days ago, but I notice that the > old, disfunctional version is still present in this latest version of > OPW ... :( That's my fault. I haven't sent David the update yet. I was sort of waiting for confirmation (from you ;-) that I hadn't broken anything else. You can just copy the file I sent you into the new version. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 24 13:39:04 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCax7-2tPVbs-04-17ZW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:39:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCax7-2tPVbs-04-17ZW; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:17:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCax7-2tPVbs-04; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:17:37 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCax6-0001WZ-Qx; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:17:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FCauS-0000Ds-Op; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:14:53 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCavA-0002jQ-UB for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:15:36 +0000 Received: from [212.158.248.7] (helo=mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FCavA-0002jH-HH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:15:36 +0000 Received: by mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 6682070C0A9; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:52:02 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Abuse: Please report all spam/abuse matters to abuse@bulldogdsl.com Received: from [84.9.233.182] (host-84-9-233-182.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.233.182]) by mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E405470C09B for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:52:01 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43FEE58D.8080801@ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:53:01 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT, X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com wrote: >>Andy Ling repaired the SRWE applet a few days ago, but I notice that the > > >>old, disfunctional version is still present in this latest version of >>OPW ... :( > > > That's my fault. I haven't sent David the update yet. > > I was sort of waiting for confirmation (from you ;-) that I > hadn't broken anything else. > > You can just copy the file I sent you into the new version. Oops, I misunderstood ... I haven't found any problems with it yet, so I guess it's safe to bundle it with new versions of OPW. -- Clive Bonsall email: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 24 13:39:10 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCbiQ-25NVbs-03-16oD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:39:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCbiQ-25NVbs-03-16oD; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:06:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCbiQ-25NVbs-03; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:06:31 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCbiQ-0005z3-91; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:06:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FCbfi-0004eN-4z; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:03:42 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCbgT-0005DZ-5D for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:04:29 +0000 Received: from [194.158.229.43] (helo=mail-ps.sunrise.ch) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FCbgS-0005DR-P1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:04:28 +0000 Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.23) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.070) id 43CF0E680035EF59 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:04:28 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:04:34 +0100 Message-ID: <20a231fe4d.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060224075345.00951de0@pop.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060224075345.00951de0@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > Having downloaded version 2.90 of 24th February, I'm sorry to say that I > still get the same problem: nothing can be saved. > Any other ideas? yes, reinstall from scratch. That is delete: \C.Program Files\DavidPilling\OvationPro\OvnPro.exe and install the latest version. This way you maintain most if not all of your settings (button bar, etc.) I encounter no problems with "Save as". JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 24 13:58:01 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCdM4-1AXknw-01-1Dh5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:58:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCdM4-1AXknw-01-1Dh5; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:51:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCdM4-1AXknw-01; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:51:32 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCdM4-0006h8-AN; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:51:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FCeIK-0005ui-BX; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:51:44 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCdJt-0002A7-ID for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:49:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.94] (helo=anchor-fallback-94.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FCdJt-0002A2-7s for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:49:17 +0000 Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.86]:3899 "EHLO anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net") by anchor-fallback-94.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id S6906077AbWBXNsf (ORCPT ); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:48:35 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FCdIj-000JoC-KV for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:48:05 +0000 Message-ID: <7PMMPrBy4w$DFwJz@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:46:26 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 References: <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060224075345.00951de0@pop.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060224075345.00951de0@pop.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >=A0Having downloaded version 2.90 of 24th February, I'm sorry to say that= =20 I still > get the same problem: nothing can be saved Hmm. When you say "nothing can be saved", exactly what happens when you=20 try to save something? --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Feb 24 14:08:01 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCdXu-1w2knw-05-OM9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:08:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCdXu-1w2knw-05-OM9; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:03:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCdXu-1w2knw-05; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:03:46 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCdXs-0007Fw-Nf; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:03:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C03492A7FC0; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09328-06; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C8D42A7C97; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:03:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44D722A7FFF for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09311-10 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 956A82A7C97 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FCdXl-0008oh-6m for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:03:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:02:02 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] test MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 2 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Test message #2 -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 24 14:18:00 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCdkz-304knw-01-wF8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:18:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCdkz-304knw-01-wF8; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:17:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCdkz-304knw-01; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:17:17 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCdky-0002YE-EN; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:17:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FCehA-0007WD-5S; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:17:24 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCdiw-0006Rx-0X for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:15:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FCdit-0006R7-1f for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:15:07 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FCdir-0000sS-MY for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:15:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:13:29 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 References: <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060224075345.00951de0@pop.ntlworld.com> <20a231fe4d.janvred@smile.ch> In-Reply-To: <20a231fe4d.janvred@smile.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >yes, reinstall from scratch. That is delete: > \C.Program Files\DavidPilling\OvationPro\OvnPro.exe That should not normally be necessary. Upgrades for OP for Windows can usually be installed over the existing copy. If you do want to uninstall OP, use: Start->Control Panel->Add or Remove programs. Of course if for some reason the old copy is stuck on disc you might need to resort to such techniques as deleting it by hand. I suppose the typical catch is that you have to be logged on with administrator rights before installing software. Some virus software may protect .exe files. I've now installed the latest version of OPW from the web site, it saves new files for me. I've had two reports of saving not working, one of them I know is using Win 98. So Neil, which version of Windows are you using? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 24 20:58:19 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCjsd-4ftVbs-06-q7U."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:58:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCjsd-4ftVbs-06-q7U; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:49:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCjsd-4ftVbs-06; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:49:36 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCjsd-00005H-Qy; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:49:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FCkpN-0002OU-WF; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:50:18 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCjqp-0001kO-VC for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:47:44 +0000 Received: from [212.74.114.32] (helo=mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FCjqp-0001kG-PI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:47:43 +0000 Received: from 88-105-181-183.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.181.183]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 24 Feb 2006 20:47:42 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HANL+/kOHNSw Received: from 88-105-181-183.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.181.183]:10352 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FCjqo-000Gbt-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:47:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:47:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 Message-ID: <4dfe61835bdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com>, neillmc wrote: > Hi, > Ever since upgrading to the above version, I cannot save any new file > using "Save As", either by using the menu or by clicking the icon at > the top of the page. Resaving the existing file works, but no selection > can be saved either. > What can I do, please? > Neill McNeill That's kinda weird, must be something machine specific. With the 2.90 9th Feb 2006 version I can Save or SaveAS without problems. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Feb 24 20:58:20 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCjww-0ASGPo-02-yZh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:58:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCjww-0ASGPo-02-yZh; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:54:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCjww-0ASGPo-02; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:54:02 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCjww-0002fS-9E; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:54:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FCktc-0003dE-Kk; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:54:40 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCjvM-0002F2-Rb for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:52:24 +0000 Received: from [212.74.114.37] (helo=mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FCjvM-0002Ew-OE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:52:24 +0000 Received: from 88-105-181-183.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.181.183]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 24 Feb 2006 20:52:24 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HANL+/kOHNSw Received: from 88-105-181-183.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.181.183]:10358 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FCjvL-000Mka-C4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:52:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:52:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 Message-ID: <4dfe61f145dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060224075345.00951de0@pop.ntlworld.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060224075345.00951de0@pop.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4.2.0.58.20060224075345.00951de0@pop.ntlworld.com>, neillmc wrote: > Hi there, > Having downloaded version 2.90 of 24th February, I'm sorry to say that > I still get the same problem: nothing can be saved. Any other ideas? > Neill McNeill As I have already noted no Save or SaveAs Problem with the 9th Feb version. Just updated with the latest (24th) still no Save or SaveAs problem. WinXP Home AthlonXP processor. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 25 02:58:42 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCpau-2rU000-03-19yl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:58:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCpau-2rU000-03-19yl; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:55:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCpau-2rU000-03; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:55:41 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCpau-0005yu-0I; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:55:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FCqXE-0004Z8-E9; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:55:56 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCpZ5-0006qs-Uf for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:53:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FCpZ5-0006ql-L5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:53:47 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FCpZ5-000Jw0-40 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:53:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:52:37 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Mail list major change References: <661640fd4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've decided to move the list to freelists. By now I've taken the liberty of subscribing you to my new list, using the same email address as was subscribed to the old list (i.e. this list). I'll just cover the basics of the new list here: - To post send email to davidpilling@freelists.org. - To subscribe send an email to davidpilling-request@freelists.org with 'subscribe' in the Subject field - To unsubscribe send an email to davidpilling-request@freelists.org with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field However the new list is a lot more sophisticated than the old one, there is a web interface (including subscriptions), web archives, digests. Lots of things to play with. You may need to set up new filters, change posting addresses etc. Sorry for the upset. I'll post a message akin to this to the new list shortly. Please move over to the new list for all new postings. From now there is no guarantee that the old list will work. My thanks to Neil Spelling for keeping the list going for the last few years. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 25 02:58:45 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCpdo-2WPknw-04-Kml."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:58:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCpdo-2WPknw-04-Kml; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:58:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCpdo-2WPknw-04; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:58:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCpdo-0006IW-HH; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:58:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEF952A80CD; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30058-05; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 414C32A7D55; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:57:51 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B223B2A7CD7 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29661-06 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74F6D2A7CC3 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FCpd0-00011y-K9 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:57:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:56:26 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Welcome to the new mail list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 3 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, This message comes to you via the new software mail list... (and if you're not reading this something is wrong) What follows is a repeat of my (last) posting to the old list. ===================================================== I'll just cover the basics of the new list here: - To post send email to davidpilling@freelists.org. - To subscribe send an email to davidpilling-request@freelists.org with 'subscribe' in the Subject field - To unsubscribe send an email to davidpilling-request@freelists.org with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field However the new list is a lot more sophisticated than the old one, there is a web interface (including subscriptions), web archives, digests. Lots of things to play with. You may need to set up new filters, change posting addresses etc. Sorry for the upset. Please move over to the new list for all new postings. From now there is no guarantee that the old list will work. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 25 14:02:46 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCsfW-27SVbs-02-Hl3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:02:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCsfW-27SVbs-02-Hl3; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:12:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCsfW-27SVbs-02; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:12:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCsfW-00009e-6U; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:12:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6751C2A7ED9; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01087-01; 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25 Feb 2006 06:11:50 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAJOC/0OHNyw Received: from 88-105-184-162.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.184.162]:10037 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FCsej-000Ocv-VF for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:11:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:11:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Working Message-ID: <4dfe952b09dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 4 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: dfs@ukgateway.net Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Received your last posting to the old list David, thanks for all your work. cheers Dave S -- From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 25 14:02:48 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCu2x-459Vbs-02-x0C."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:02:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCu2x-459Vbs-02-x0C; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:40:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCu2x-459Vbs-02; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:40:56 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCu2x-0003aP-Ma; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:40:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FCuz6-0001Dk-33; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:41:00 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FCu0m-000634-6J for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:38:40 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FCu0l-00062y-SC for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:38:39 +0000 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060225073828.IROA23947.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:38:28 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([81.104.8.24]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060225073827.OEMW1804.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:38:27 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20060225073620.009584e0@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: neillmc@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:38:11 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: neillmc Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 In-Reply-To: References: <20a231fe4d.janvred@smile.ch> <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060224075345.00951de0@pop.ntlworld.com> <20a231fe4d.janvred@smile.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1019767==_.ALT" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --=====================_1019767==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >I've had two reports of saving not working, one of them I know is using >Win 98. So Neil, which version of Windows are you using? > > >-- >David Pilling Hi there, Yes, I'm using Windows 98 as well! I'll delete and replace from scratch and see what difference that makes. Thanks, Neill McNeill --=====================_1019767==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

I've had two reports of saving not working, one of them I know is using Win 98. So Neil, which version of Windows are you using?


--
David Pilling


Hi there,

Yes, I'm using Windows 98 as well! I'll  delete and replace from scratch and see what difference that makes.


Thanks,

Neill McNeill

--=====================_1019767==_.ALT-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 25 14:02:51 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCume-0T4GPo-08-OAR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:02:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCume-0T4GPo-08-OAR; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:28:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCume-0T4GPo-08; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:28:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCume-0001fr-K3; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:28:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BD122A7CD2; 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Sat, 25 Feb 2006 03:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from RiscPC (81-178-214-253.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.214.253]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A019E00045F for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:27:21 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:25:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Freelists web interface Message-ID: <4dfea1720bsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 5 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) A small item David - you mentioned the web interface but didn't give any info on how people could access it: www.freelists.org/archives/davidpilling/ (There's also an RSS feed folks :-) -- Steve Pampling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 25 14:02:59 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCxsD-2Vy000-04-L4s."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:02:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCxsD-2Vy000-04-L4s; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:46:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCxsD-2Vy000-04; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:46:05 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCxsC-0005wp-Rw; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:46:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5C1F52A710B; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28958-01; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B6EF72A7C61; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:45:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BCE3A2A7B80 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:45:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28596-08 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:45:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66F092A799D for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:45:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1PBjD5K018464 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:45:13 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:42:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Welcome to the new mail list Message-ID: <4dfeb37830bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 6 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bric@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > This message comes to you via the new software mail list... > (and if you're not reading this something is wrong) I am reading; and the filtering into same box as old list is working so full continuity will be maintained. Thanks for dealing with the problem so effectively, David. Let's hope this runs as smoothly as the old list. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 25 14:03:00 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCy64-2oQ000-07-Kr1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:03:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCy64-2oQ000-07-Kr1; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:00:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCy64-2oQ000-07; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:00:24 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCy63-0007NM-VD; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:00:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F3E22A7BC5; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:00:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01311-05; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:00:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9D112A772C; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:59:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C91632A7BC5 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:59:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01025-06 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:59:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (A.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 943E62A7BB8 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:59:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from 182.115.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.115.182] helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FCy5I-0004lX-F2 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:59:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:00:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Hi everyone on the new list Message-ID: <4dfeb50d64gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 7 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi David and everyone else here. This is really just a test message to see if my postings to the new list are working ok. I've got some news about some applets to make sometime soon, when I've had chance to get them ready and upload them. There will be an update to NudgePal, which hopefully fixes a small bug that's been in there for a while, but only shows up in certain setups, and a couple of new applets to release - but I'll announce more details about those when they are ready. I'm hoping to have everything done sometime over the weekend. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 25 14:03:04 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCyvo-4Cp000-01-K1H."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:03:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCyvo-4Cp000-01-K1H; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:53:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCyvo-4Cp000-01; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:53:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCyvo-0006z5-1x; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:53:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7A6542A7588; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20091-08; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 93C842A7C5D; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:53:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:53:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5543D2A70DC for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19602-02 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.freeserve.com (smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.156]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1E02C2A6B3F for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3208.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 707667400088 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:53:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from Phoebe (user-1212.wfd80b.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.116.188]) by mwinf3208.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 321307400087 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:53:05 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060225125305205.321307400087@mwinf3208.me.freeserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:52:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Hi everyone on the new list Message-ID: <4dfeb9e6e6freelists@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dfeb50d64gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4dfeb50d64gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 8 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: freelists@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4dfeb50d64gav@crawford-print.co.uk>, Gavin Crawford wrote: > Hi David and everyone else here. > This is really just a test message to see if my postings to the new list > are working ok. > I've got some news about some applets to make sometime soon, when I've > had chance to get them ready and upload them. Hi Gavin, Great to hear that Ovation Pro applets are still being developed. Hope noone spots that this is a test post in disguise ;) -- ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 25 14:03:07 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCz4A-4Og000-08-Jsv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:03:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FCz4A-4Og000-08-Jsv; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:02:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FCz4A-4Og000-08; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:02:30 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FCz4A-0003KB-Fq; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:02:30 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08C7C2A7D0B; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23205-03; 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Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:01:42 +0000 Received: from Omega ([81.97.74.4]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060225130142.UKJX16555.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Omega> for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:01:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mike Morris To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:00:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Hi everyone on the new list Message-ID: <4dfeba9e55mike_morris@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4dfeb9e6e6freelists@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> References: <4dfeb50d64gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4dfeb9e6e6freelists@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 9 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: mike_morris@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4dfeb9e6e6freelists@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk>, Mark Fraser wrote: > Hope noone spots that this is a test post in disguise ;) This isn't a test message either :-) From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 25 14:03:09 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FCzBM-4eO000-04-Jlj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; 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list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:09:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 022222A7C2A for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:09:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25580-10 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:09:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C61B92A7598 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:09:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FCzAa-000BrW-0Y for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:09:08 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:12:11 GMT From: David W Mills To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Welcome to the new mail list Message-ID: <07a9bbfe4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 10 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > This message comes to you via the new software mail list... > > (and if you're not reading this something is wrong) > [snip] Nothing is wrong 'cos I read it!!! Thank you David for all your efforts.....and thanks to Mr Spelling who I did not realise was reaponsible for past maintainance. David From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 25 14:32:41 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FD0O2-1zkknw-01-IZ3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:32:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FD0O2-1zkknw-01-IZ3; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:27:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FD0O2-1zkknw-01; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:27:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FD0O2-00025C-AZ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:27:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 362AA2A7C42; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21662-04; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C4DF2A7C78; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:27:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:26:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 64A512A76DA for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21306-09 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.freeuk.net (relay.freeuk.net [212.126.144.54]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C37DF2A799A for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from richardbrock.plus.com ([84.92.57.121] helo=RISCOS) by relay.freeuk.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FD0NH-00075t-87 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:26:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:26:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] printing from OvnProWin Message-ID: <4dfec26c16badger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: rb02 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 11 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: badger.sett@freeuk.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi First to echo the thanks already expressed by others for all the work which keeps this forum going and worth asking questions on... which is what I'll do now! I'm using OvnPro v2.76 on Windows XP with a Canon 7100 printer. When I print a multi-page document, it always starts with the last page and works forwards. This is with the Print>Properties>Layout>Page order set to 'Front to Back'. Have I missed another setting somewhere? (All this wouldn't normally be a problem, but forgetting when I'm printing greetings cards with a photo on the glossy outside and the greeting on the non-glossy inside causes a certain waste of paper and much self-reproach for forgetting!) Thanks Richard -- Richard Brock From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 25 14:32:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FD0Sm-2XM000-03-IUJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:32:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FD0Sm-2XM000-03-IUJ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:32:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FD0Sm-2XM000-03; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:32:00 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FD0Sm-0000iJ-DT; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:32:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4E5A52A80B5; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:32:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23435-06; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:32:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 913CD2A807F; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:31:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:31:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4DEF72A80A1 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23194-10 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.freeserve.com (smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.156]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17D1E2A807F for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3212.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 481273C0008A for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:31:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from Iyonix.freeuk.com (user-2673.wfd76a.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.170.113]) by mwinf3212.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1735D3C00084 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:31:13 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060225143113951.1735D3C00084@mwinf3212.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Hi everyone on the new list To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Kevin Corney X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:31:12 GMT Message-ID: References: <4dfeb50d64gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4dfeb9e6e6freelists@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <4dfeba9e55mike_morris@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4dfeba9e55mike_morris@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 12 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: Kevin@kcorney.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4dfeba9e55mike_morris@ntlworld.com> Mike Morris wrote: > In article <4dfeb9e6e6freelists@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk>, > Mark Fraser wrote: > >> Hope noone spots that this is a test post in disguise ;) > > This isn't a test message either :-) This is getting silly! (another sneaky test message ) :-) -- Kevin Corney, Emley, West Yorkshire, HD8 9RG Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten. - W. Ulbricht From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 25 14:42:41 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FD0cU-2Lzknw-06-IKb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:42:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FD0cU-2Lzknw-06-IKb; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:42:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FD0cU-2Lzknw-06; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:42:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FD0cU-0004nw-GX; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:42:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 708022A80FF; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26972-09; 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Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:41:15 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:39:54 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Hi everyone on the new list Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4dfeb50d64gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4dfeb50d64gav@crawford-print.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 13 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tony@vanderhoff.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Gavin Crawford wrote in message <4dfeb50d64gav@crawford-print.co.uk> > Hi David and everyone else here. > > This is really just a test message to see if my postings to the new list > are working ok. > I'm fed up with deleting these; it works, so can you all now please stop testing it. -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 25 18:22:52 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FD3w9-3u4knw-03-F0w."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:22:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FD3w9-3u4knw-03-F0w; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:14:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FD3w9-3u4knw-03 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:14:33 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FD3w9-00003E-0w for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:14:33 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 913682A7CF9; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:14:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04558-04; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:14:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B5972A7C17; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:14:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:13:48 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E04CD2A76A2 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04264-08 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (A.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B122C2A75BE for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 182.115.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.115.182] helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FD3vO-0007rc-M1 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:13:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:15:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Hi everyone on the new list Message-ID: <4dfed77902gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4dfeb50d64gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 14 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Tony van der Hoff wrote: > I'm fed up with deleting these; it works, so can you all now please stop > testing it. Oh lighten up! Seven messages - it must have taken you hours to delete all those! People are only checking that they can still post to the list after the changes. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 25 18:32:52 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FD47u-3tAVbs-02-EpB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:32:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FD47u-3tAVbs-02-EpB; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:26:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FD47u-3tAVbs-02 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:26:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FD47u-0002EE-HM for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:26:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 100B02A608F; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09341-05; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9041E2A75FD; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:26:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:25:56 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BDA632A4ED3 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09012-05 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (A.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6FA802A730D for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 10.226.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.226.10] helo=RISCPC20) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FD479-0000Xi-EA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:25:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Phil To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:26:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Hi everyone on the new list Message-ID: <4dfed8694ephilco@heter.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dfed77902gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4dfeb50d64gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4dfed77902gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 15 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: philco@heter.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Well I shall not send one then under the guess of testing. I'll just say hello. Phil On 25 Feb, Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article , Tony van der > Hoff wrote: > > I'm fed up with deleting these; it works, so can you all now please > > stop testing it. > Oh lighten up! Seven messages - it must have taken you hours to delete > all those! > People are only checking that they can still post to the list after the > changes. -- This email has been sent from a RiscPC which does not run Windows, but it will more than likely read your files. philco@heter.co.uk From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 25 19:12:53 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FD4jG-0OKGPo-06-uqP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:12:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FD4jG-0OKGPo-06-uqP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:05:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FD4jG-0OKGPo-06; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:05:18 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FD4jG-0003YI-Ad; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:05:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FD5fG-0001KC-Uo; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:05:15 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FD4dR-0002Rz-NF for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:59:17 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.55] (helo=queue01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FD4dQ-0002Rc-LH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:59:16 +0000 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060225153558.VDIE23947.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:35:58 +0000 Received: from oemcomputer ([62.255.73.4]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060225153557.WDCP16555.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@oemcomputer> for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:35:57 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20060225152359.00948ac0@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: neillmc@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:35:41 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: neillmc Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 In-Reply-To: <7PMMPrBy4w$DFwJz@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4.2.0.58.20060224075345.00951de0@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060224075345.00951de0@pop.ntlworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1262784==_.ALT" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE, IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --=====================_1262784==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 13:46 24/02/06 +0000, you wrote: > > Having downloaded version 2.90 of 24th February, I'm sorry to say that > I still > get the same problem: nothing can be saved > >Hmm. When you say "nothing can be saved", exactly what happens when you >try to save something? > Hi again, What happens when I click of the Save As icon it flashes as it should but no Save Box appears. As I said before, saving a document previously saved works normally, but Save Selection and Save Stylesheet, from the File menu, don't produce Save boxes either. I then tried to Uninstall.exe from the David Pillling/OvationPro directory, but clicking of this icon produced no result whatever. Eventually, I deleted the file Ovation Pro.exe and reinstalled it. There was still no change. Neill McNeill --=====================_1262784==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 13:46 24/02/06 +0000, you wrote:
> Having downloaded version 2.90 of 24th February, I'm sorry to say that I still > get the same problem: nothing can be saved

Hmm. When you say "nothing can be saved", exactly what happens when you try to save something?


Hi again,

        What happens when I click of the Save As icon it flashes as it should but no Save Box appears. As I said before, saving a document previously saved works normally, but Save Selection and Save Stylesheet, from the File menu, don't produce Save boxes either.  I then tried to Uninstall.exe from the David Pillling/OvationPro directory, but clicking of this icon produced no result whatever. Eventually, I deleted the file Ovation Pro.exe and reinstalled it. There was still no change.

Neill McNeill
--=====================_1262784==_.ALT-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 25 19:12:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FD4kW-0QvGPo-06-ECZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:12:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FD4kW-0QvGPo-06-ECZ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:06:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FD4kW-0QvGPo-06 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:06:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FD4kW-0004Bt-Ex for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:06:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0A1CF2A73A8; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22981-10; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 874612A7510; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:06:34 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:05:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 44B6C2A7357 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22689-06 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B71F02A72AA for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FD4je-000CYs-Ee for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:05:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:04:18 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: printing from OvnProWin References: <4dfec26c16badger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4dfec26c16badger.sett@freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 16 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, >I'm using OvnPro v2.76 on Windows XP with a Canon 7100 printer. When I >print a multi-page document, it always starts with the last page and >works forwards. This is with the Print>Properties>Layout>Page order set >to 'Front to Back'. Have I missed another setting somewhere? I wonder what the setting of the "Reverse" button on the main OPW print window is? It shouldn't happen, documents usually print front to back. However you do have the option to print the other way around. Another obvious thought is what happens if you select back to front order? There are a number of settings which can be chosen from Properties or from the OP print window. They should echo one another, so if you select something from Print it will be set in Properties and vice versa. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Feb 25 20:12:56 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FD5iy-24ZGPo-08-1aTH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:12:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FD5iy-24ZGPo-08-1aTH; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:09:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FD5iy-24ZGPo-08; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:09:05 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.5] (helo=mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FD5iy-0001jw-Nk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:09:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout01.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FD6ez-0007df-EB; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:09:01 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FD5eU-0005qj-Pl for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:04:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FD5eU-0005qZ-G7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:04:26 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FD5eU-000Pe1-3X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:04:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:02:49 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 References: <4.2.0.58.20060224075345.00951de0@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060224075345.00951de0@pop.ntlworld.com> <7PMMPrBy4w$DFwJz@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.2.0.58.20060225152359.00948ac0@pop.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060225152359.00948ac0@pop.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0What happens when I click of the Save As icon it f= lashes as it should but >no Save Box appears. As I said before, saving a document previously saved >works normally, but Save Selection and Save Stylesheet, from the File menu, >don't produce Save boxes either.=A0 I then tried to Uninstall.exe from the= David >Pillling/OvationPro directory, but clicking of this icon produced no result >whatever. Eventually, I deleted the file Ovation Pro.exe and reinstalled i= t. There >was still no change. OK, thanks. I'll give it a go on W98 later. Running Uninstall.exe intentionally does nothing. The idea is to use the=20 control panel, add and remove software feature. I presume that is the=20 official way of removing software. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 25 22:33:04 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FD7v3-2ST000-05-B22."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:33:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FD7v3-2ST000-05-B22; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:29:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FD7v3-2ST000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:29:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FD7v3-0000at-IU for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:29:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0FC4F2A4A9A; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22124-07; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9110E2A5A08; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:29:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:28:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 489C82A4A9A for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:28:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21841-10 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:28:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FB212A7832 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FD7uH-0000rW-GZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:28:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:27:19 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Freelists web interface References: <4dfea1720bsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4dfea1720bsteve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 17 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >A small item David - you mentioned the web interface but didn't give any >info on how people could access it: >www.freelists.org/archives/davidpilling/ Yes, I'm still learning. Subscribe/unsubscribe via the web is at: http://www.freelists.org/list/davidpilling There's a FAQ about freelists, including user features at: http://www.freelists.org/help/faq.html I see freelists gives out medals for list quality, so you'll have to=20 pull your socks up. Finally Steffen Huber (who told me about freelists) uses the same system=20 for his CD Burn list, so you may already know how to use the various=20 features. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sat Feb 25 22:33:06 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FD7wN-1FXGPo-03-B0i."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:33:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FD7wN-1FXGPo-03-B0i; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:31:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FD7wN-1FXGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:31:03 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FD7wM-0002TM-VS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:31:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6D4D42A72F0; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22615-04; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F00EA2A7958; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:30:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BC9A2A7211 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24690-03 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:07:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from dbmail-mx1.orcon.net.nz (loadbalancer1.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.3]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 74DF52A715E for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:07:00 -0500 (EST) Received-SPF: none Received: from bri.ww.co.nz ([60.234.102.236]) by dbmail-mx1.orcon.net.nz (8.13.2/8.13.2/Debian-1) with ESMTP id k1PL7KtW004999 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:07:21 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:52:29 +1300 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Welcome to the new mail list Message-ID: <4dfee5cd53brian@adam.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <07a9bbfe4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <07a9bbfe4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.4 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on dbmail-mx1.orcon.net.nz X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 18 X-Approved-By: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: brian@adam.co.nz Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 26 Feb, David W Mills wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > > This message comes to you via the new software mail list... > > (and if you're not reading this something is wrong) [..] I'm so glad you didn't go to Smartgroups. I'm on several RO groups there plus I've been getting several error messages from them about missed messages (sgmlm probe/warning), very delayed posts, and Peter Naulls is unable to subscribe me to the FireFox list.=20 Thanks for using Freelists. Brian --=20 Auckland NEW ZEALAND From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 26 00:03:08 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FD9Jb-4Nt000-01-9dU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:03:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FD9Jb-4Nt000-01-9dU; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:59:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FD9Jb-4Nt000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:59:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FD9Ja-0005GY-Ui for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:59:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 655BF2A7A97; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20478-08; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EAA62A7A5E; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:58:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45DC92A7BFE for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20175-04 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 90CEC2A7B9D for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FD9Il-0006UL-3a for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:58:15 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:54:29 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Hi everyone on the new list Message-ID: References: <4dfeb50d64gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 19 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 25 Feb, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Gavin Crawford wrote in message > <4dfeb50d64gav@crawford-print.co.uk> >=20 > > Hi David and everyone else here. > >=20 > > This is really just a test message to see if my postings to the new l= ist > > are working ok. > >=20 > I'm fed up with deleting these; it works, so can you all now please sto= p > testing it. You are using Gemini, which I understand to be a development of Messenger. So you can set each mailing list that the messages go to to be auto-deleted after a number of days. So all you have to do is to read the messages and then you never see them again. Or does Gemini work very differently? --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 26 02:43:17 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDBko-2xMknw-05-Fin."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:43:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDBko-2xMknw-05-Fin; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:35:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDBko-2xMknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:35:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDBko-0001iZ-Lv for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:35:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 356DB2A7361; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:35:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10743-04; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:35:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B74952A7340; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:35:21 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:34:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9C3AF2A7361 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10377-07 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A1F12A755F for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FDBk0-000C8f-Ln for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:34:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:33:31 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 References: <4.2.0.58.20060224075345.00951de0@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> <4.2.0.58.20060224075345.00951de0@pop.ntlworld.com> <7PMMPrBy4w$DFwJz@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4.2.0.58.20060225152359.00948ac0@pop.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20060225152359.00948ac0@pop.ntlworld.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 20 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0What happens when I click of the= Save As icon it f=3D lashes as it should but >no Save Box appears. As I said before, saving a document previously save= d I've sorted this out now. What happened is that between the versions of things that worked and the=3D= 20 ones that don't work, I increased the level of Windows that I wanted to=3D= 20 support, doing that changed some things that I had not foreseen - I'm=3D2= 0 using sizes for the save and open dialogue parameter blocks that W98=3D20 won't accept. I'll put up a fixed version of OP for Windows in an hour or two. At least I now know that two of you want to use the program on W98, and=3D= 20 that no one has tried DPScan on W98. I'm keen to drop support for anything older than XP 8-) --=3D20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 26 03:03:25 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDCBX-3VDknw-05-FI4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:03:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDCBX-3VDknw-05-FI4; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:02:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDCBX-3VDknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:02:59 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDCBX-00043l-Ls for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:02:59 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 349F32A7944; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20509-08; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC3532A7929; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:02:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 285C02A7944 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20162-07 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E78172A6D58 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FDCAm-000Ktu-G4 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:02:13 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 02:59:03 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 References: <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 21 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>Ever since upgrading to the above version, I cannot save any new file u= sing >>"Save As", either by using the menu or by clicking the icon at the top = of the So another day another version which fixes the above (again). If you're=20 not using Windows 95, 98 or ME, ignore all this. There wasn't a bug in=20 the program, it was just incompatible with the old Windows line. The new version 2.90, 26th. February, is available from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe This version includes the fixed version of the SRWE (search and replace=20 with effects) applet. The applet alone is available from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/Others/Brown/Applets/SRWE.oap I've also rebuilt DPScan to fix the save/open problem. The new version=20 is available from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Extras/DPScan/InstallDPScan. exe The latest version of DPScan has a new feature, control drag with the=20 pointer tool produces a line that you can use to obtain angles to=20 straighten up images (like my TWAIN drivers). --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Sun Feb 26 03:13:37 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDCGr-3g1knw-02-FCk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:13:37 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDCGr-3g1knw-02-FCk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:08:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDCGr-3g1knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:08:29 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDCGr-0007NV-Ah for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:08:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D02FE2A7936; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22331-05; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D6682A78C4; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:07:43 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BAE772A7936 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22137-03 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 890252A79AF for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FDCG2-000FnY-CJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:07:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:06:32 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 References: <4.2.0.58.20060221131754.00952f00@pop.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 22 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've also rebuilt DPScan to fix the save/open problem. The new version >is available from: > >http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Extras/DPScan/InstallDPScan= . >exe That should be of course: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Extras/DPScan/InstallDPScan. exe --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:00:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDIHD-1bzGPo-05-9CO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:00:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDIHD-1bzGPo-05-9CO; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:33:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDIHD-1bzGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:33:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDIHC-0003CP-UE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:33:15 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4F8052A78C4; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:33:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23430-04; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:33:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3C562A7832; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:33:13 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:32:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F23C72A78C4 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23133-01 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net (pih-relay06.plus.net [212.159.14.133]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EBF42A6FEA for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FDIGS-0001Yr-Dt for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:32:28 +0000 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:28:35 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 Message-ID: <48062bff4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 23 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 26 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0What happens when I click of t= he Save As icon it f=3D > lashes as it should but > >no Save Box appears. As I said before, saving a document previously sa= ved >=20 > I've sorted this out now. >=20 > What happened is that between the versions of things that worked and th= e=3D20 > ones that don't work, I increased the level of Windows that I wanted to= =3D20 > support, doing that changed some things that I had not foreseen - I'm=3D= 20 > using sizes for the save and open dialogue parameter blocks that W98=3D= 20 > won't accept. >=20 > I'll put up a fixed version of OP for Windows in an hour or two. >=20 > At least I now know that two of you want to use the program on W98, and= =3D20 > that no one has tried DPScan on W98. Three of us. There's me as well. >=20 > I'm keen to drop support for anything older than XP 8-) But think of the expense here in (a) buying full versions of XP and then (b) buying manuals to tell me what on earth it was doing. Not to mention the wasted time on this group answering questions about "how do you do this?". (And why has your e-mail suddenly started to sprout "=3D20" and "=3DA0"?) --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:00:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDIya-2fHGPo-08-H1X."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:00:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDIya-2fHGPo-08-H1X; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:18:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDIya-2fHGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:18:04 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDIya-0002KD-8m for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:18:04 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C230C2A7ECC; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07845-08; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 549CA2A7EF1; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:18:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:17:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 683D62A7E93 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07567-01 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 73B662A7EAD for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060226101712.MBOQ23947.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:17:12 +0000 Received: from xp ([213.105.218.144]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20060226101712.AQS1804.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@xp> for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:17:12 +0000 Message-ID: <005201c63abd$c6d5fb20$90da69d5@xp> From: "Arthur Lacey" To: References: <48062bff4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:16:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 24 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tedell@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) From: "Tim Powys-Lybbe" wrote: > But think of the expense here in (a) buying full versions of XP and > then (b) buying manuals to tell me what on earth it was doing. Not to > mention the wasted time on this group answering questions about "how do= =20 > you do this?". My advice would be to wait for the 64 bit version of Windows due for rele= ase=20 later in the year. Of course you might need to get a new PC as well. :-) Ted Lacey.=20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:00:47 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDJUK-0Yp000-04-GVn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:00:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDJUK-0Yp000-04-GVn; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:50:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDJUK-0Yp000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:50:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDJUJ-0003qN-QH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:50:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 36E8E2A735D; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21025-10; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C1C642A7CF9; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:50:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A4202A735D for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20692-01 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 203222A701A for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FDJTZ-000EWp-Ej for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:50:06 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.21 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:45:04 GMT Message-ID: References: <48062bff4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <005201c63abd$c6d5fb20$90da69d5@xp> In-Reply-To: <005201c63abd$c6d5fb20$90da69d5@xp> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.03 (MsgServe/3.20S) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 25 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <005201c63abd$c6d5fb20$90da69d5@xp> "Arthur Lacey" wrote: >=20 > From: "Tim Powys-Lybbe" > wrote: >> But think of the expense here in (a) buying full versions of XP and >> then (b) buying manuals to tell me what on earth it was doing. Not to >> mention the wasted time on this group answering questions about "how d= o >> you do this?". >=20 > My advice would be to wait for the 64 bit version of Windows due for re= lease > later in the year. Of course you might need to get a new PC as well. := -) 64bit version of XP is already out and has been for several months! I=20 assume you mean Vista which is still in beta and well behind schedule=20 at the moment. Rumour has it a lot of software could require an update=20 to work on vista..... --=20 Chris Hughes From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:00:48 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDJUK-0Yq000-01-GVn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:00:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDJUK-0Yq000-01-GVn; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:50:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDJUK-0Yq000-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:50:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDJUK-00058e-59 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:50:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9A6B92A740C; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21026-10; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2E8142A7E3D; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:50:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5E0002A740C for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20644-10 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A9D42A70DE for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FDJTa-000EWp-Dd for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:50:06 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.21 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:48:49 GMT Message-ID: References: <48062bff4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48062bff4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.03 (MsgServe/3.20S) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 1 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <48062bff4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 26 Feb, David Pilling wrote: >=20 >> >=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0What happens when I click of = the Save As icon it f=3D >> lashes as it should but >> >no Save Box appears. As I said before, saving a document previously s= aved >>=20 >> I've sorted this out now. >>=20 >> What happened is that between the versions of things that worked and t= he=3D20 >> ones that don't work, I increased the level of Windows that I wanted t= o=3D20 >> support, doing that changed some things that I had not foreseen - I'm=3D= 20 >> using sizes for the save and open dialogue parameter blocks that W98=3D= 20 >> won't accept. >>=20 >> I'll put up a fixed version of OP for Windows in an hour or two. >>=20 >> At least I now know that two of you want to use the program on W98, an= d=3D20 >> that no one has tried DPScan on W98. >=20 > Three of us. There's me as well. >=20 >>=20 >> I'm keen to drop support for anything older than XP 8-) >=20 > But think of the expense here in (a) buying full versions of XP and > then (b) buying manuals to tell me what on earth it was doing. Not to > mention the wasted time on this group answering questions about "how do > you do this?". But the point here is that it creates problems for David in developing=20 the program. To maintain backwards compatibility, most PC programs=20 have dropped or are dropping support for 98. As for cost of XP, get an OEM version for about 67 ukp of Home or 87=20 for Pro. Home is now the same price as RISC OS 4.39 Adjust at the=20 moment. >=20 > (And why has your e-mail suddenly started to sprout "=3D20" and "=3DA0"= ?) >=20 I noticed that as well. =3D20 is the space charactor. --=20 Chris Hughes From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:00:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDKnl-49X000-07-FCM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:00:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDKnl-49X000-07-FCM; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:15:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDKnl-49X000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:15:01 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDKnk-0002ql-LZ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:15:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35ECF2A7FC9; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:15:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18547-01; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:15:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B016C2A7FB7; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:14:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 08BDB2A7FC9 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:14:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18190-02 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.freeserve.com (smtp2.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.157]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6C812A7FC1 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3116.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B4432340008D for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:14:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-601.l5.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.2.89]) by mwinf3116.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 770473400085 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:14:14 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060226121414487.770473400085@mwinf3116.me.freeserve.com Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:13:48 GMT From: Alan Adams To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 Message-ID: References: <48062bff4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 26 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > In message <005201c63abd$c6d5fb20$90da69d5@xp> > "Arthur Lacey" wrote: >=3D20 > >=3D20 > > From: "Tim Powys-Lybbe" > > wrote: > >> But think of the expense here in (a) buying full versions of XP and > >> then (b) buying manuals to tell me what on earth it was doing. Not = =3D to > >> mention the wasted time on this group answering questions about "how= =3D do > >> you do this?". > >=3D20 > > My advice would be to wait for the 64 bit version of Windows due for = =3D release > > later in the year. Of course you might need to get a new PC as well.= =3D :-) >=3D20 > 64bit version of XP is already out and has been for several months! I=3D= 20 > assume you mean Vista which is still in beta and well behind schedule=3D= 20 > at the moment. Rumour has it a lot of software could require an update = =3D > to work on vista..... >=3D20 >=3D20 With any new version of Windows it is a good idea to wait until Service P= =3D ack 1 is issued. (Which in one recent case was about the same tme as the main= =3D launch). There will be bugs, and SP1 addresses the more obvious/easily fo= =3D und ones. XP is good, stable, reasonably user-friendly. If you change the user interface to "classic", it looks and works a lot as you would expect. I agree about the expense though - I think the upgrade version is about =3D= A3=3D 75, and you do seriously need to check the hardware requirements - 128M memor= =3D y minimum, 256M strongly recommended, plenty of disk space - it will instal= =3D l into 2GB but by the time Office is in there as well, you have run out. I would suggest minumum processor speed about 1G - it will work with less, = =3D but you might not want to. The good news is that every item of hardware you might consider is supported, and most will just plug in and go - only things released in ab= =3D out the last two years need drivers, and they can all be downloaded. You do need to make sure you install SP2, a good firewall (I'd recommend = =3D the free Zone Alarm), anti-virus (AVG free edition from free.grisoft.com) and= =3D anti-spyware (microsoft beta is good). --=3D20 Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:01:00 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDNIw-1AZVbs-08-ChB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:01:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDNIw-1AZVbs-08-ChB; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:55:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDNIw-1AZVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:55:22 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDNIv-0006g5-Q0 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:55:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 549112A796A; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25322-04; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C75682A772C; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:54:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 654882A7944 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24985-08 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.freeserve.com (smtp2.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.157]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 05AC12A7882 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3109.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5D579640008C for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:54:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-601.l5.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.2.89]) by mwinf3109.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 166B06400089 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:54:34 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060226145434919.166B06400089@mwinf3109.me.freeserve.com Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:54:33 GMT From: Alan Adams To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 Message-ID: <45de48ff4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <48062bff4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 27 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > In message you wrote: >=20 > > In message <005201c63abd$c6d5fb20$90da69d5@xp> > > "Arthur Lacey" wrote: > >=3D20 > > >=3D20 > > > From: "Tim Powys-Lybbe" > > > wrote: > > >> But think of the expense here in (a) buying full versions of XP an= d > > >> then (b) buying manuals to tell me what on earth it was doing. No= t =3D > to > > >> mention the wasted time on this group answering questions about "h= ow=3D > do > > >> you do this?". > > >=3D20 > > > My advice would be to wait for the 64 bit version of Windows due fo= r =3D > release > > > later in the year. Of course you might need to get a new PC as wel= l.=3D > :-) > >=3D20 > > 64bit version of XP is already out and has been for several months! I= =3D20 > > assume you mean Vista which is still in beta and well behind schedule= =3D20 > > at the moment. Rumour has it a lot of software could require an updat= e =3D >=20 > > to work on vista..... > >=3D20 > >=3D20 >=20 > With any new version of Windows it is a good idea to wait until Service= P=3D > ack > 1 is issued. (Which in one recent case was about the same tme as the ma= in=3D >=20 > launch). There will be bugs, and SP1 addresses the more obvious/easily = fo=3D > und > ones. >=20 > XP is good, stable, reasonably user-friendly. If you change the user > interface to "classic", it looks and works a lot as you would expect. I > agree about the expense though - I think the upgrade version is about =3D= A3=3D > 75, > and you do seriously need to check the hardware requirements - 128M mem= or=3D > y > minimum, 256M strongly recommended, plenty of disk space - it will inst= al=3D > l > into 2GB but by the time Office is in there as well, you have run out. = I > would suggest minumum processor speed about 1G - it will work with less= , =3D > but > you might not want to. >=20 > The good news is that every item of hardware you might consider is > supported, and most will just plug in and go - only things released in = ab=3D > out > the last two years need drivers, and they can all be downloaded. >=20 > You do need to make sure you install SP2, a good firewall (I'd recommen= d =3D > the > free Zone Alarm), anti-virus (AVG free edition from free.grisoft.com) a= nd=3D >=20 > anti-spyware (microsoft beta is good). >=20 > --=3D20 > Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire > alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk > http://www.nckc.org.uk/ >=20 >=20 >=20 Now I've just noticed that this message also has the =3Dxx encoding. This is called Quoted-Printable encoding. Investigation of the mail heade= rs shows: That my original message was sent out with User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It was retransmitted by the list as Content-type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit As a result the receiving system displays the encoding instead of making = use of it. Now I'm not sure why Messenger Pro is using Quoted-Printable - I expected Base-64, which has become the standard form of Mime-encoding. But changin= g the encoding definition without also translating the encoding itself it j= ust plain wrong. --=20 Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:01:01 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDNeV-2BBVbs-01-CLc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:01:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDNeV-2BBVbs-01-CLc; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:17:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDNeV-2BBVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:17:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDNeN-0004aJ-Ut for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:17:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3A3A62A814F; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:09:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29814-05; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:09:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD4F52A81A5; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:08:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8C732A814F for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29759-07 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.11.62]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id C14DB2A8141 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:08:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 62841 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 15:08:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Organization:Reply-To:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To:X-Mailer:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=IXElf02k1GBu83nx//E7dfk3E6I955g1LnfsxpYSlUfW4Et896Ktov6V64LhqaWPIGp0rV5Yula02BrdVRL1G5aLX8qIgh1pYt7BkY/R2TqM575DyZqFEVLyuzEFTPsWaa/jNoOuwyhTYyf1+Q10QRFBG9hiHssxKqXacvL1Uq0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (paul?witheridge@82.19.186.37 with login) by smtp008.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 15:08:03 -0000 From: Paul Witheridge To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:08:04 +0000 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: References: <48062bff4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <005201c63abd$c6d5fb20$90da69d5@xp> In-Reply-To: <005201c63abd$c6d5fb20$90da69d5@xp> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 3.2/32.830 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0608-1, 23/02/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 28 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: paul_witheridge@yahoo.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_FORTE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:16:56 -0000, you wrote: >> But think of the expense here in (a) buying full versions of XP and >> then (b) buying manuals to tell me what on earth it was doing. Not to >> mention the wasted time on this group answering questions about "how =3D do=3D20 >> you do this?". > >My advice would be to wait for the 64 bit version of Windows due for =3D release=3D20 >later in the year. Of course you might need to get a new PC as well. =3D :-) > Why would the 64-but version of Windows be so important? It seems to be that it is aimed at those running big servers, huge databases, etc. The rest of us will just be dragged along for the ride, when/if we decide to upgrade to a new PC and 32-bit hardware is no longer a good price performer. However, Microsoft is ending support for Windows 98 (and ME) on 30 June 2006 (meaning no more fixes). That looks a more reasonable event on which to base decisions about Ovation Pro support. I assume that older versions of Ovation Pro would still continue to work. Microsoft does not want the expense of supporting multiple versions of Windows - why should we expect David to continue supporting an obsolete operating system (at this point, I don my flame proof suit).=3D20 =3D20 (Of course, support for XP Home is scheduled to end two years after the release of Windows Vista, although XP Pro get supported until 2010.) -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:01:06 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDOqG-0jnGPo-07-B9r."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:01:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDOqG-0jnGPo-07-B9r; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:33:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDOqG-0jnGPo-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:33:52 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDOqB-0007J7-Ct for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:33:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 891682A7367; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23887-10; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1329F2A802E; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:32:45 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AAE432A7367 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23555-04 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 796A92A70AC for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FDOpA-0005T4-FJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:32:44 +0000 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:28:24 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 Message-ID: References: <48062bff4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 29 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 26 Feb, Chris Hughes wrote: > In message <005201c63abd$c6d5fb20$90da69d5@xp> > "Arthur Lacey" wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > From: "Tim Powys-Lybbe" > > wrote: > >> But think of the expense here in (a) buying full versions of XP and > >> then (b) buying manuals to tell me what on earth it was doing. Not = to > >> mention the wasted time on this group answering questions about "how= do > >> you do this?". > >=20 > > My advice would be to wait for the 64 bit version of Windows due for = release > > later in the year. Of course you might need to get a new PC as well.= :-) >=20 > 64bit version of XP is already out and has been for several months! I=20 > assume you mean Vista which is still in beta and well behind schedule=20 > at the moment. Rumour has it a lot of software could require an update=20 > to work on vista..... I forgot to add that I run my PC on a emulator program on a Mac as this handles all I need for the very occasional files that won't run elsewhere. I suspect that this environment won't cope with much more of XP's bells and whistles. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:01:15 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDSQK-2V5knw-02-G6J."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:01:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDSQK-2V5knw-02-G6J; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:23:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDSQK-2V5knw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:23:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDSQK-00070Z-CB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:23:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E13462A7281; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21667-03; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 67C692A721F; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:22:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45ABC2A7281 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21392-02 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:22:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 027652A667E for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from 212-229-244-20.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.244.20] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FDSPZ-000Fps-Dj for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:22:34 +0000 Message-ID: <003401c63b12$66843bb0$14f4e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <48062bff4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:32:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 30 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >But think of the expense here in (a) buying full versions of XP and I'm not seriously suggesting you rush and give Billy Gates more money. In my opinion XP is the best version yet of Windows, the home edition is = not=20 that expensive, sometimes cheaper if you buy it with a piece of hardware.= =20 >From the user perspective XP is much like '98. XP 64 the 64 bit version is slightly less stable and drivers for many thi= ngs=20 are not available yet. I've done 64 bit versions of some of my stuff,=20 example of the problems, at the time there was no 64 bit specification fo= r=20 TWAIN. I've long thought that for standard desktop software e.g. Ovation = Pro=20 there is not much point in 64 bits. I'm told that gamers will be the=20 motivation for it entering the domestic environment. However I recently=20 managed to produce an Ovation document that approached the 2GB memory lim= it=20 for 32 bit XP, so maybe there is a need for it. In due course the older versions of Windows will vanish and 64 bits will=20 come in. (And why has your e-mail suddenly started to sprout "=3D20" and "=3DA0"?) One of my postings went around the "loop" twice, I posted it to the wrong= =20 address and had to repost it. That may explain it. If it is a long term=20 problem I'll look into it. --=20 David Pilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:01:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDUOi-3R3Vbs-05-E7v."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:01:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDUOi-3R3Vbs-05-E7v; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:29:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDUOi-3R3Vbs-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:29:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDUOi-0002AW-Lr for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:29:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 234892A7D36; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24718-08; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A66F12A8125; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1BF7B2A7D36 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24328-03 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (A.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF43D2A7CBD for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from 182.115.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.115.182] helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FDUNy-0006uf-At for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:29:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:20:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Step and Repeat - new applet for Ovation Pro (RISC OS) Message-ID: <4dff71bbe5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 33 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Step and Repeat is a new applet available for the RISC OS version of Ovation Pro and can be downloaded from: http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html#steprepeat Allows easy duplication of objects in a step and repeat fashion, with the ability to add crop marks around the newly created objects. Other features include: * Object spacing can be specified as an offset, or as a gutter. * The step and repeat settings can be saved to disc, to be easily recalled for later use. * Settings can be stored within the document by sending to an empty text frame, and recalled at a later time. * Auto crop marks placed between objects when space permits. Comments and feedback welcomed. Gav. --=3D20 Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:01:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDUOj-3RrVbs-07-E7u."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:01:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDUOj-3RrVbs-07-E7u; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:29:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDUOj-3RrVbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:29:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDUOi-000661-R3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:29:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 467A92A812F; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24718-09; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D031B2A8107; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D98502A7CBC for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24328-02 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (A.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A6B822A70C7 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from 182.115.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.115.182] helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FDUNx-0006uf-Vh for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:29:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:18:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] URLlink - new applet for Ovation Pro (RISC OS) Message-ID: <4dff718751gav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 32 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) URLlink is a new applet available for the RISC OS version of Ovation Pro and can be downloaded from: http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html#urllink Link to URLs in Ovation Pro documents. URLlink will select text under the caret and broadcast it as an URL, allowing, for example, web site addresses to be fetched in a browser. Comments and feedback welcomed. Gav. --=20 Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:01:36 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDUOj-3UkVbs-01-E7u."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:01:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDUOj-3UkVbs-01-E7u; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:29:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDUOj-3UkVbs-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:29:49 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDUOi-0000u5-P8 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:29:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E2FF2A7CBC; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24711-10; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0E112A812E; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D738B2A7BCF for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24294-09 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (A.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A966C2A7705 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from 182.115.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.115.182] helo=ghc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FDUNx-0006uf-KJ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:29:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:15:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] NudgePal Version 1.08 now available for OPro (RISC OS) Message-ID: <4dff7141ddgav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 31 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) The latest release of the NudgePal applet (version 1.08) can now be downloaded from its usual home: http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html#nudgepal This version fixes a rather obscure bug that could cause Ovation Pro to crash with an Type 5 error. [short NudgePal description] The NudgePal applet allows objects to be moved or resized, by use of arrow buttons on a palette window. NOTE: requires - Ovation Pro 2.61 or later (for RISC OS) Comments and feedback welcomed. Gav. --=20 Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:02:29 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDgIf-1hXknw-06-AkU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:02:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDgIf-1hXknw-06-AkU; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:12:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDgIf-1hXknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:12:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDgIe-0005ef-SX for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:12:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 588A52A7A1D; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01411-03; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0032F2A84B3; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:11:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4A9262A7A1D for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01062-09 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E06E02A79BD for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-181-61.as15444.net [82.163.181.61]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RBBLju013456 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:11:22 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Step and Repeat - new applet for Ovation Pro (RISC OS) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:11:14 GMT Message-ID: <6142b8ff4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4dff71bbe5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dff71bbe5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.102, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.05, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 34 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 26 Feb 2006 Gavin Crawford wrote: > Step and Repeat is a new applet available for the RISC OS version of > Ovation Pro and can be downloaded from: >=20 > http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html#steprepeat Looks to be a useful applet, and I went and got it. However, the Help=20 file says, "See the manual for more information.". Please Sir, what manual? :-) I can't find one anywhere. With best wishes, Peter. --=20 Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:02:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDgYX-3Oy000-03-AUc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:02:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDgYX-3Oy000-03-AUc; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:28:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDgYX-3Oy000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:28:45 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDgYW-0004Oj-Rw for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:28:45 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 471A82A796F; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:28:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07582-06; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:28:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A911F2A731F; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:27:58 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6EF8F2A7BAA for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:27:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07208-01 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:27:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 183302A7B62 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-181-61.as15444.net [82.163.181.61]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RBRjjW015311 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:27:45 GMT Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Step and Repeat - new applet for Ovation Pro (RISC OS) To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:27:43 GMT Message-ID: <96c4b9ff4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4dff71bbe5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <6142b8ff4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6142b8ff4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.102, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.05, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 35 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: pnyoung@ormail.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 27 Feb 2006 Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 26 Feb 2006 Gavin Crawford wrote: >=20 >> Step and Repeat is a new applet available for the RISC OS version of >> Ovation Pro and can be downloaded from: >>=20 >> http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html#steprepeat >=20 > Looks to be a useful applet, and I went and got it. However, the Help > file says, "See the manual for more information.". >=20 > Please Sir, what manual? :-) I can't find one anywhere. Sorry, just found it, but only after I'd installed the applet. Not an=20 intuitive way, perhaps? Thanks also for the URL applet, and particularly for its "mailto"=20 facility; very useful. With best wishes, Peter. --=20 Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:02:33 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDgec-3qt000-03-AOX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:02:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDgec-3qt000-03-AOX; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:35:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDgec-3qt000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:35:02 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDgec-00074y-BG for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:35:02 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DA9022A7CFE; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10104-01; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7C7A32A7958; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:34:17 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A019E2A731F for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09780-05 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 70B982A7958 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FDgds-0001sa-A0 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:34:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:34:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Step and Repeat - new applet for Ovation Pro (RISC OS) Message-ID: <4dffba5866evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6142b8ff4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4dff71bbe5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <6142b8ff4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 36 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6142b8ff4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > Please Sir, what manual? :-) I can't find one anywhere. !StepRept.Resources.Manual Evan From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:02:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDgjd-3lQknw-07-AJW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:02:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDgjd-3lQknw-07-AJW; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:40:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDgjd-3lQknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:40:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDgjd-00014n-9s for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:40:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CE4402A731F; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12003-09; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 773BC2A81F7; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:39:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1B9382A731F for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11630-05 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (A.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F1592A7C37 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:39:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from 47.82.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.82.47] helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FDgis-0005lJ-89 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:39:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:39:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Step and Repeat - new applet for Ovation Pro (RISC OS) Message-ID: <4dffbad27egav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6142b8ff4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4dff71bbe5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <6142b8ff4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 37 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6142b8ff4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 26 Feb 2006 Gavin Crawford wrote: > > Step and Repeat is a new applet available for the RISC OS version of > > Ovation Pro and can be downloaded from: > >=20 > > http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html#steprepeat > Looks to be a useful applet, and I went and got it. However, the Help=20 > file says, "See the manual for more information.". > Please Sir, what manual? :-) I can't find one anywhere. Sorry, there should have been a little obey file in there to display the manual document. The manual is inside the applet's directory inside Resources. When the applet is installed, there is an entry on the Step & repeat sub menu to display the manual. I must admit that the manual for Step and repeat was a little rushed, and could possible be expanded upon to give some better examples of using the applet, but I have limited time to spend on doing that, and I'd rather be spending the time on programming other applets. So, if anyone would like to contribute to improving the manual feel free to contact me (and likewise for any of my other applets). I've also noticed another little mistake in that the menu title is truncated (hit again by the 12 character limit in OPro's menu titles!). Gav. --=20 Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:02:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDh0W-0L8Vbs-07-A2d."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:02:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDh0W-0L8Vbs-07-A2d; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:57:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDh0W-0L8Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:57:40 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDh0W-0004CG-1P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:57:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 77DA52A830B; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17167-02; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 124482A820A; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:56:54 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D220B2A84FF for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17093-01 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.aaisp.net.uk (A.painless.aaisp.net.uk [81.187.81.51]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 47B722A80FC for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 06:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 47.82.2.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.2.82.47] helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FDgzh-0007LS-Ro for davidpilling@freelists.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:56:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:56:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Step and Repeat - new applet for Ovation Pro (RISC OS) Message-ID: <4dffbc6a03gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <96c4b9ff4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <4dff71bbe5gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <6142b8ff4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> <96c4b9ff4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 38 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: gav@crawford-print.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <96c4b9ff4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 27 Feb 2006 Dr Peter Young wrote: > > On 26 Feb 2006 Gavin Crawford wrote: > >=20 > >> Step and Repeat is a new applet available for the RISC OS version of > >> Ovation Pro and can be downloaded from: > >>=20 > >> http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/resources.html#steprepeat > >=20 > > Looks to be a useful applet, and I went and got it. However, the Help > > file says, "See the manual for more information.". > >=20 > > Please Sir, what manual? :-) I can't find one anywhere. > Sorry, just found it, but only after I'd installed the applet. Not an=20 > intuitive way, perhaps? OK. Just fixed the Step and repeat applet - now has an obey file called manual in the zip that will display the manual document. > Thanks also for the URL applet, and particularly for its "mailto"=20 > facility; very useful. Glad it's of some use. Gav. --=20 Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 1 18:02:53 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDsOb-21ZGPo-07-fH8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:02:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDsOb-21ZGPo-07-fH8; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:07:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDsOb-21ZGPo-07; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:07:17 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDsOb-0002IE-Ku; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:07:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FDtKk-0003ni-O3; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:07:22 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FByUf-00078R-5T for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:13:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FByUe-00078J-NP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:13:40 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FByUe-000A4Y-AR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:13:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:12:24 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >On the Iyonix I have tried several times to open the zip with SparkFS >but it only shows the first four of the 30 odd directories and loses >the rest. SparkFS is set for a workspace of 99M. One idea. There is a SparkFS *command *Zipusecentraldirectory (look for it in !ReadMe). Zip files have directory information in two places. This command allows you to control where SparkFS will look. You need to ensure that SparkFS has forgotten about the archive (icon bar menu) then type the command with parameter zero, then open the archive and see if you get a different result. If this doesn't help, I'd be interested to have a look at the zip file. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Mar 1 18:02:54 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FDslf-2iRGPo-01-1cZg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:02:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FDslf-2iRGPo-01-1cZg; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:31:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FDslf-2iRGPo-01; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:31:08 +0000 Received: from [213.253.179.6] (helo=mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FDslf-0007hH-IQ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:31:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by mailout02.dsvr.x-isp.net with esmtp id 1FDthZ-0003K3-J9; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 01:30:57 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FDsjR-0006A9-BG for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:28:49 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.132] (helo=pih-relay05.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FDsjR-00069t-1m for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:28:49 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FDsjQ-00044K-HI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:28:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 00:27:39 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SparkFS Message-ID: <6d2c01004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 22 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >On the Iyonix I have tried several times to open the zip with SparkFS > >but it only shows the first four of the 30 odd directories and loses > >the rest. SparkFS is set for a workspace of 99M. > > One idea. There is a SparkFS *command > > *Zipusecentraldirectory > > (look for it in !ReadMe). > > Zip files have directory information in two places. This command allows > you to control where SparkFS will look. > > You need to ensure that SparkFS has forgotten about the archive (icon > bar menu) then type the command with parameter zero, then open the > archive and see if you get a different result. > > If this doesn't help, I'd be interested to have a look at the zip file. Sounds like my final reply got lost. Changing the Zipusecentraldirectory setting as above got a nil result. Dragging the archive to the SparkFS icon on the iconbar does nothing and double clicking on any of a few Apple Zips give the error message of: "Unidentified header type found" As the zip was some 30M, I did not e-mail it but put it at: http://southfarm.plus.com/pl_tree_2006_Feb.zip which lives on a little server RPC beside me, but hardly anyone ever accesses it from outside. Thanks for the interest in the problem. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:03:40 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FE3Gk-1V7Vbs-06-DLx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:03:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FE3Gk-1V7Vbs-06-DLx; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:43:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FE3Gk-1V7Vbs-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:43:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FE3Gk-0001SV-92 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:43:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8FFB2A8C2F; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13065-07; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 525702A8CF3; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:43:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A9A692A8BBF for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12720-05 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 3B70C2A8315 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 74299 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 11:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO riscpc.dcrofts.btinternet.com) (dcrofts@btinternet.com@86.137.129.231 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 11:43:07 -0000 Subject: [softwarelist] RTF Files To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Crofts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:43:02 GMT Message-ID: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 39 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: david@pandda.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi All, Im using OV Pro 2.76 on RO 4.39 My question concerns importing rtf files. Almost invariably I receive a message saying: 'Unknown Object at xx' where xx is a line number I can load the same file into fireworkx, save it as rtf and then load=20 it into OP. This is a long-winsed way of doing things However, there is a problem, again always occurring: the end of line=20 marker is mis0interpreted and results in joining two words together=20 without a space. Some of these problems can be picked up on a spell=20 checker, but not always. There must ne a better solution to this. Any ideas, please? Thanks David Crofts From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:03:43 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FE40v-0dFGPo-08-Cbm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:03:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FE40v-0dFGPo-08-Cbm; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:31:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FE40v-0dFGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:31:37 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FE40u-0004hu-V2 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:31:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B4FC2A8505; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01489-02; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30D0C2A7FE7; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:30:47 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7FCF72A8505 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:30:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01082-04 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:30:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pih-relay05.plus.net (pih-relay05.plus.net [212.159.14.132]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A54BF2A844A for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:30:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FE403-00056U-7n for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:30:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:27:21 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Files Message-ID: <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 40 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 28 Feb, David Crofts wrote: > Hi All, > Im using OV Pro 2.76 on RO 4.39 > My question concerns importing rtf files. How do you do this? I generated some RTF files yesterday (on Another System) and I could find no applet to load them into OPro. Eventually I had to load them into Techwriter, then out of there as a HTML file and finally, using OvHTML, back to Opro. And then tidy them up. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:03:44 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FE4S5-2nCGPo-02-CAc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:03:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FE4S5-2nCGPo-02-CAc; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:59:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FE4S5-2nCGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:59:41 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FE4S5-0003Dj-2j for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:59:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 96A672A7CB7; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:59:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10583-07; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:59:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 297112A7FF6; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:59:40 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:58:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7985F2A7604 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:58:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10252-09 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:58:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 092A42A6F5A for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:58:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from dynamic-212-225-78-156.park-s46b.dslaccess.co.uk ([212.225.78.156] helo=iyo.schild) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH schild) (Exim 4.42) id 1FE4RJ-000LBK-7M for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:58:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Schild To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:58:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Files Message-ID: <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.11) Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 41 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@schild.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 28 Feb, David Crofts wrote: > > Hi All, > > Im using OV Pro 2.76 on RO 4.39 > > My question concerns importing rtf files. > How do you do this? > I generated some RTF files yesterday (on Another System) and I could > find no applet to load them into OPro. !TransRTF O_Pro filter (or "loader") v 1.83 dated 1997 but still seems to work for me. > Eventually I had to load them into Techwriter, then out of there as a > HTML file and finally, using OvHTML, back to Opro. And then tidy them > up. --=20 John Schild, Trenarren, St. Cleer, Liskeard, PL14 5DN Phone 01579 347047 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:03:46 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FE52V-2Qs000-02-BaC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:03:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FE52V-2Qs000-02-BaC; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:37:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FE52V-2Qs000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:37:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FE52V-0003jV-64 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:37:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A60D42A8C12; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24250-04; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:37:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DE6E12A8BEF; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:37:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:36:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 30A892A86E6 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23887-05 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id D50B32A86D3 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix ([87.244.68.226]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.3.8) with SMTP id GPM03038 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:36:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:36:24 GMT From: michael talibard To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Files Message-ID: <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 42 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > In message of 28 Feb, David Crofts wrote: >=20 > > > Hi All, > > > Im using OV Pro 2.76 on RO 4.39 > > > My question concerns importing rtf files. >=20 > > How do you do this? >=20 > > I generated some RTF files yesterday (on Another System) and I could > > find no applet to load them into OPro. >=20 > !TransRTF O_Pro filter (or "loader") v 1.83 dated 1997 but still seems > to work for me. But not on the Iyonix, unless you have Aemulor. I'm not prepared to buy it just for the sake of the (in my case) very few bits and pieces it would add to my software armoury - but when, oh when are they going to be updated? Could somebody please lean on whoever is in charge of !Trans RTF? From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:03:49 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FE5zS-26Aknw-02-AdF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:03:49 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FE5zS-26Aknw-02-AdF; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:38:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FE5zS-26Aknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:38:15 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FE5zK-0003ZN-IY for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:38:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 21D692A9026; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:36:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19095-06; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:36:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AEEB52A8B34; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:36:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2B5E82A9028 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18899-03 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B16052A9015 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FE5xE-0003Lc-FZ for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:35:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:34:48 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Files Message-ID: <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 43 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 28 Feb, michael talibard wrote: > In message <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> you wrote: >=20 > > In article <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk>, > > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > > In message of 28 Feb, David Crofts wrote: > >=20 > > > > Hi All, > > > > Im using OV Pro 2.76 on RO 4.39 > > > > My question concerns importing rtf files. > >=20 > > > How do you do this? > >=20 > > > I generated some RTF files yesterday (on Another System) and I coul= d > > > find no applet to load them into OPro. > >=20 > > !TransRTF O_Pro filter (or "loader") v 1.83 dated 1997 but still seem= s > > to work for me. >=20 > But not on the Iyonix, unless you have Aemulor. > I'm not prepared to buy it just for the sake of the > (in my case) very few bits and pieces it would add > to my software armoury - but when, oh when are > they going to be updated? Could somebody please > lean on whoever is in charge of !Trans RTF? I'm sure that would be a Good Thing but I already have Aemulor and I can report both that I have now found this applet and that it works. Thanks for the help, chaps. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:03:50 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FE61m-2JFknw-04-Aav."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:03:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FE61m-2JFknw-04-Aav; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:40:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FE61m-2JFknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:40:38 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FE61d-0005GD-Ky for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:40:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11EE72A905F; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:40:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19592-09; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:40:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B268F2A90AA; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:39:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2F91D2A905F for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:39:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19432-08 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:39:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from sally.dts-online.net (sally.dts-online.net [212.62.69.126]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E10EF2A9056 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:39:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-115-179.teleos-web.de [213.182.115.179]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C1CEE481511 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:39:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:39:22 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.55) for davidpilling@freelists.org; 28 Feb 2006 15:39:21 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:39:21 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows 2.90 Message-ID: References: <48062bff4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <003401c63b12$66843bb0$14f4e5d4@mypc2> In-Reply-To: <003401c63b12$66843bb0$14f4e5d4@mypc2> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (RemoteNB/1.55) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 44 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: martinv@ucs.de Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <003401c63b12$66843bb0$14f4e5d4@mypc2> "David Pilling" wrote: [snip] > In my opinion XP is the best version yet of Windows, the home edition i= s not=20 > that expensive, sometimes cheaper if you buy it with a piece of hardwar= e.=20 > From the user perspective XP is much like '98. [snip] >=20 If You can grab a copy of 2003 Server. All useless features disabled, unecessary services disabled, no eye-candy, non-crippled TCP/IP stack... Needs a bit of tweaking to work as a desktop though. Regards --=20 Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:04:02 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FED1I-1C2000-06-C7v."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:04:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FED1I-1C2000-06-C7v; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:08:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FED1I-1C2000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:08:36 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FED1F-0002Ri-8w for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:08:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 071842A9460; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03758-07; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ACB3A2A923A; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:39:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D3B2F2A9460 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03628-05 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com (snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com [195.7.228.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 266492A9FBC for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [195.7.235.121] (helo=pinion.ndo.co.uk.jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk) by snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com with esmtp (NDO SMTP Pool (Abuse to: abuse@ndo.com)) id 1FECZL-0007uH-00 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:39:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:41:01 +0100 From: John Bridger To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Kerning Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 45 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jbridger@pinion.ndo.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Like many Acorn users I started DTP using Impression. When I swopped to using Ovation I found one feature that just does not work at all well - namely kerning. Being a typographer by trade, I like to visually adjust the letter-spacing of display size text - for titles and headings. Letter by letter. Impression does this beautifully - hold down control and press E to add space or R to reduce it. In Ovation one holds down control+shift and presses either ; (to close up) or ' (to increase the space). BUT (and it's a big BUT) the characters leap about all over the place - some increasing the letterspace and others closing up. Eventually I can acheive the desired result - but it ain't easy!!!! Am I missing something? I have searched the manual but to no avail.=20 Like many Acorn users I started DTP using Impression. When I swopped to using Ovation I found one feature that just does not work at all well - namely kerning. Being a typographer by trade, I like to visually adjust the letter-spacing of display size text - for titles and headings. Letter by letter. Impression does this beautifully - hold down control and press E to add space or R to reduce it. In Ovation one holds down control+shift and presses either ; (to close up) or ' (to increase the space). BUT (and it's a big BUT) the characters leap about all over the place - some increasing the letterspace and others closing up. Eventually I can acheive the desired result - but it ain't easy!!!! Am I missing something? I have searched the manual but to no avail.=20 Can anyone help - how about an applet to overcome this? HELP John Bridger From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:04:04 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEDZk-2st000-04-BZT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:04:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEDZk-2st000-04-BZT; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:44:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEDZk-2st000-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:44:12 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEDZg-0000ji-5F for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:44:12 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0E902A92D9; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09072-07; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 75B0C2AC17D; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:17:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 472842A92D9 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09019-03 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C93A62AC134 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:16:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [86.22.64.177] (helo=linux.site) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu9) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2xA-1FED8u2kQx-0003Jx; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:16:28 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:16:25 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Kerning Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.28 (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 46 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@xl-cambridge.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In a previous message, John Bridger wrote: > I found one feature that just does not work at all well - namely kernin= g. [snip] > how about an applet to overcome this? HELP Try out my TextPal applet. TBH, I've not used it myself in a while (!) bu= t it gives control with nudge arrows for various attributes of the text. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards -- Attached file included as plaintext by Ecartis -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEBMu8p6M/P/S/JWgRApIaAJ9ARUG39nloelK9D6ZLJAjAEF06vwCeMKOC vg+jjpOL710pdMZ6UbYh8yY=3D =3Di838 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:04:09 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEDxY-3r9000-07-BBf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:04:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEDxY-3r9000-07-BBf; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:08:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEDxY-3r9000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:08:48 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEDxX-0004Cn-FO for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:08:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B57382AAF16; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:35:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10945-10; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:35:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 66D042AB4C9; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:35:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:34:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 4AABD2AAF16 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:34:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10806-02 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:34:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BC6FC2A9FA7 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from 212-229-247-43.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.247.43] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FEDQ5-000IXX-LX for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:34:14 +0000 Message-ID: <00b101c63cb7$1a1281a0$2bf7e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <6d2c01004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:42:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 47 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Sounds like my final reply got lost. No. I retrieved the Zip last week and sent you a reply asking some questi= ons (by private email). Have a look, and if you can't find it I'll repost. I'm sending this to the new list to shift this thread to it. David Pilling From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:04:11 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEEDu-4U1000-05-AvJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:04:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEEDu-4U1000-05-AvJ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:25:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEEDu-4U1000-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:25:42 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEEDq-0005x0-26 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:25:42 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 991892AAF94; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15929-09; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 479282A9FBE; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:14:57 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1AB302A9D05 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15829-08 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 12ABD2A9097 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FEE3N-00056U-3k for davidpilling@freelists.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:14:49 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:14:31 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: SparkFS Message-ID: <37507e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: <6d2c01004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <00b101c63cb7$1a1281a0$2bf7e5d4@mypc2> In-Reply-To: <00b101c63cb7$1a1281a0$2bf7e5d4@mypc2> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 48 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 28 Feb, "David Pilling" wrote: > > Sounds like my final reply got lost. >=20 > No. I retrieved the Zip last week and sent you a reply asking some > questions (by private email). >=20 > Have a look, and if you can't find it I'll repost. >=20 > I'm sending this to the new list to shift this thread to it. Sorry, never got it. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:04:17 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEFd8-36fknw-05-9W5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:04:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEFd8-36fknw-05-9W5; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:55:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEFd8-36fknw-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:55:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEFd8-0002e5-BC for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:55:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 882EC2AC788; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29727-09; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0DB972AC9F5; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:55:03 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8E6982AC99A for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29281-09 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5FD032AC921 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from 212-229-246-84.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.246.84] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FEFcM-0005DM-Jz for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:55:02 +0000 Message-ID: <00ce01c63cca$c5e44690$2bf7e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: References: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Kerning Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 00:53:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 49 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >When I swopped to using Ovation I found one feature >that just does not work at all well - namely kerning. Kerning was not well done. It is done by "tracking" pairs of characters. Now much later on I added "fixed spaces" to OP, they would be a better wa= y=20 of handling kerning. However I don't recognise the symptoms you describe. They sound like what= =20 one might get with enhanced justificaiton enabled or characters jumping t= o=20 pixel boundaries (more of a Windows phenomena than RISC OS). David Pilling. From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:04:41 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEO99-1aFVbs-08-9Wa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:04:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEO99-1aFVbs-08-9Wa; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:01:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEO99-1aFVbs-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:01:27 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEO98-0002gz-JB for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:01:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 206822B4FA0; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 05:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19862-04; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 05:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C614E2B46BA; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 05:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 01 Mar 2006 05:00:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD83E2B4FA0 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 05:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19713-10 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 05:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com (snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com [195.7.228.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 79C192B4EE9 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 05:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm4-00-02.dial.thm.netdirect-online.co.uk ([195.7.235.2] helo=pinion.ndo.co.uk.jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk) by snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com with esmtp (NDO SMTP Pool (Abuse to: abuse@ndo.com)) id 1FEO8O-0000VG-00 for ; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:00:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:56:43 +0100 From: John Bridger To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Kerning Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 50 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jbridger@pinion.ndo.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Thank you for answering my kerning question so quickly. It is now working OK - but I'm not sure how or why! I did not have 'enhanced justification' on (never would use such a typographical horror!). Where/what is 'fixed spaces'? Can't track (!) it down. I have now upgraded to 2.76 - would that have solved the problem? John Pettigrew Thank you - I have added 'TextPal' to the Applets but not yet had time to try it out. John Bridger From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:04:47 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEQJ8-0aB000-03-Ft7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:04:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEQJ8-0aB000-03-Ft7; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:19:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEQJ8-0aB000-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:19:54 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEQJ8-0001Oa-Fn for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:19:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F266F2B3CD0; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:19:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09704-01; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:19:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 854B12B3D07; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:19:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 01 Mar 2006 07:19:01 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5A8392B59B2 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09238-08 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 29AEA2B59A4 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from penniceard.plus.com ([80.229.17.10] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FEQIF-000510-VT for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:19:00 +0000 Message-ID: <4405914D.5090400@penniceard.co.uk> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:19:25 +0000 From: Roger Penniceard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Cursor disappears References: <6d2c01004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <00b101c63cb7$1a1281a0$2bf7e5d4@mypc2> <37507e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <37507e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 51 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: roger@penniceard.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I noticed that when I click on 'Help' then 'About OP' at the top of the=20 page in the latest OP for Windows when I move the cursor to the web and=20 email addresses the cursor disappears. I can't remember this happening=20 before. Roger From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:04:48 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEQZX-1QWknw-08-Fci."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:04:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEQZX-1QWknw-08-Fci; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:36:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEQZX-1QWknw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:36:51 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEQZX-0005rk-1P for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:36:51 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F1102B5A80; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12221-08; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3E6AB2B5ABD; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 01 Mar 2006 07:36:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 45AA92B5A80 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:36:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12092-02 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:36:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 11FCA2B5A6C for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:36:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1FEQYm-00074L-CV for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:36:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: davidpilling@freelists.org Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:34:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cursor disappears Message-ID: <4e00c78402nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4405914D.5090400@penniceard.co.uk> References: <6d2c01004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <00b101c63cb7$1a1281a0$2bf7e5d4@mypc2> <37507e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4405914D.5090400@penniceard.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 52 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 01 Mar, Roger Penniceard wrote: > I noticed that when I click on 'Help' then 'About OP' at > the top of the page in the latest OP for Windows when I > move the cursor to the web and email addresses the cursor > disappears. I can't remember this happening before. Yes confirmed here - although the browser and mail application open if you click.. --=20 besters.. Ned =3D=3D=3D North Worcestershire UK skype:nedabell From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 18:40:24 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEWDU-02xGPo-06-9yl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 18:40:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEWDU-02xGPo-06-9yl; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:38:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEWDU-02xGPo-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:38:28 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEWDT-00018S-7S for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:38:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3F69F2B7048; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18411-10; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DED0A2B6ED1; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 01 Mar 2006 13:34:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id AD6442B7048 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:34:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18251-08 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:34:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com (snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com [195.7.228.20]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 242CE2B62C6 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:34:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm4-00-01.dial.thm.netdirect-online.co.uk ([195.7.235.1] helo=pinion.ndo.co.uk.jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk) by snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com with esmtp (NDO SMTP Pool (Abuse to: abuse@ndo.com)) id 1FEW9i-00044H-00 for ; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:34:34 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:49:42 +0100 From: John Bridger To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] TextPal applet Message-ID: <5469e4004e.jbridger@jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 53 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jbridger@pinion.ndo.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) John Pettigrew Have now used TextPal - brilliant! And to think it had been sitting on my HD for ages without my looking to see what it did. It will be very Useful. Many thanks John. John Bridger From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 19:40:28 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEXBN-035000-08-90s."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:40:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEXBN-035000-08-90s; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 19:40:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEXBN-035000-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 19:40:21 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEXBM-0004Uu-SH for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 19:40:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 55C642B669F; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01233-06; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F3EB92AFC19; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 01 Mar 2006 14:39:36 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5D392B372D for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01129-02 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9322D2AA88D for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FEXAd-000OM3-7X for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 19:39:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:38:26 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cursor disappears References: <6d2c01004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <00b101c63cb7$1a1281a0$2bf7e5d4@mypc2> <37507e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4405914D.5090400@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4405914D.5090400@penniceard.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 54 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I noticed that when I click on 'Help' then 'About OP' at the top of the >page in the latest OP for Windows when I move the cursor to the web and >email addresses the cursor disappears. I can't remember this happening >before. Thanks. After I did the improved visibility cursors before Christmas I=20 tidied up... Obviously I've accidentally taken out the cursor that is used in the=20 About window. I will put it back. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 20:00:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEXTL-4M8Vbs-03-8iu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:00:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEXTL-4M8Vbs-03-8iu; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 19:58:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEXTL-4M8Vbs-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 19:58:55 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEXTL-0003ri-55 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 19:58:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 32C292B74A0; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04507-01; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id CB8462B61FF; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:57:59 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 01 Mar 2006 14:57:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 555DA2B6F10 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04251-10 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C138B2B6A40 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:57:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FEXRc-000K3u-BO for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 19:57:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:55:29 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Kerning References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 55 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Where/what is 'fixed spaces'? Can't track (!) it down. Misc->Insert->Fixed Space >I have now upgraded to 2.76 - would that have solved >the problem? Sorry, no idea. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 22:10:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEZVr-290knw-08-FCu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:10:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEZVr-290knw-08-FCu; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:09:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEZVr-290knw-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:09:39 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEZVr-0001GQ-Fy for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:09:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id E79582B7A16; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29338-09; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 98B812B6BF1; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:08:55 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A4E82B7A16 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29268-09 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.freeserve.com (smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk [193.252.22.158]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 3492B2B76DD for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3014.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B9A008800088 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 23:08:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (modem-119.snake.dialup.pol.co.uk [62.137.112.119]) by mwinf3014.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 2AC9C880008F for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 23:08:45 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060301220850175.2AC9C880008F@mwinf3014.me.freeserve.com Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TextPal applet To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Robin Phillips X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 21:13:51 GMT Message-ID: <001af7004e.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <5469e4004e.jbridger@jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5469e4004e.jbridger@jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 56 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dear colleagues, In message <5469e4004e.jbridger@jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk> John Bridger wrote: > John Pettigrew >=20 > Have now used TextPal - brilliant! > And to think it had been sitting on my HD > for ages without my looking to see what it did. > It will be very Useful. > Many thanks John. Sorry, but I've seen this reply without having read the original=20 question! Can anyone tell me what TextPal actually DOES? Secondly, is there any unified index to the titles of the various=20 Applets? I found this one of course under Pettigrew, but if I had not=20 seen its author's name in the message I would not have known which of=20 76 or so applets to try. Best wishes, Robin. --=20 Robin Phillips, NG9 1BT Phone: 0115 922 4930 http://www.beeston12.freeserve.co.uk/ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 22:30:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEZko-2rDknw-07-Exx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:30:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEZko-2rDknw-07-Exx; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:25:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEZko-2rDknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:25:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEZkn-0006To-NS for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:25:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2A07C2B53F7; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32291-08; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C8A792B4E90; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:24:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 83AF72B5BB3 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32096-04 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8510B2B53F7 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [86.22.64.177] (helo=linux.site) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1FEZk03Jtj-0008Fy; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:24:16 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:24:11 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TextPal applet Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001af7004e.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <5469e4004e.jbridger@jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk> <001af7004e.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.28 (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 57 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: john@xl-cambridge.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In a previous message, Robin Phillips wrote: > Sorry, but I've seen this reply without having read the original questi= on! > Can anyone tell me what TextPal actually DOES? It provides a small pallette window that brings some text attributes toge= ther, letting you alter them more easily than hunting through menus and dialogu= e boxes. It does have a couple of nasty bugs (for example, trying to use it while you have a picture frame selected will crash OvPro), but is (IMHO) = quite useful if you work around them. (The bugs could be fixed relatively easil= y, but I've never got round to it :-/ ) > Secondly, is there any unified index to the titles of the various Apple= ts? There are a couple of websites with useful indices, which were started be= fore so many were distributed with OvPro. Can't remember the URLs, but searchi= ng for Ovation and applet should get you there quite quickly. HTH John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards -- Attached file included as plaintext by Ecartis -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEBh8Qp6M/P/S/JWgRAmc4AKCKa7UHSG8Tv2do0kl7HdF4FDvGdwCeKsvt dzwIkbcQJxoBJ7xT4atEGkU=3D =3DnQwy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Wed Mar 1 22:40:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEZtG-3Hzknw-06-EpV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:40:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEZtG-3Hzknw-06-EpV; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:33:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEZtG-3Hzknw-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:33:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEZtF-0001o3-RE for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:33:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 51BBE2B34E7; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:33:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01132-01; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:33:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id F1B812AFC19; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:33:05 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A7682B5BB3 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01002-09 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 35F0E2B5597 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FEZsV-000AJ1-JA for davidpilling@freelists.org; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 22:33:04 +0000 Message-ID: <4P6MvKKTDiBEFwke@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 22:31:47 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TextPal applet References: <5469e4004e.jbridger@jbridger.pinion.ndo.co.uk> <001af7004e.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001af7004e.rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 58 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Sorry, but I've seen this reply without having read the original >question! Can anyone tell me what TextPal actually DOES? Ah but on this list there are web archives: http://www.freelists.org/archives/davidpilling/02-2006/ >Secondly, is there any unified index to the titles of the various >Applets? I found this one of course under Pettigrew, but if I had not Google? There is a list of all the applets on the CD. Firstly in the CD Guide=20 document on the CD. Second on my web site: http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/applet.html However there are other applets in existence. Many (but not all) are on=20 Chris Johnson's site: http://www.chris-johnson.org.uk/ovationpro/ --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 2 15:02:09 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEpJO-2qRknw-01-GSP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:02:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEpJO-2qRknw-01-GSP; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:01:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEpJO-2qRknw-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:01:50 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEpJK-0006PB-H5 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:01:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D70BC2B871B; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:01:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06034-06; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:01:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 796D92B8ADA; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:01:17 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 02 Mar 2006 10:00:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5F6902B8A7F for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05783-09 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay3.mail.uk.clara.net (relay3.mail.uk.clara.net [80.168.70.143]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B2AEA2B89B2 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 10:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [80.168.197.28] (helo=Iyonix.clara.co.uk) by relay3.mail.uk.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.46) id 1FEpI5-0005WG-Cu for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:00:29 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Files To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: charles X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.28 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:52:56 GMT Message-ID: <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 59 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: charles@barraball.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At the risk of spreading mis-information... on this Iyonix A downloaded RTF file, if equipped with the right suffix (.rtf) and filetype changed to RTF (from data), will load cleanly into Easywriter and the text may then be selected and dragged into an OPro frame - also cleanly. Very swift and neat. --=20 Charles tel 020 8949 0708 / mob 079 5620 0176/ fax 087 1243 9075 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 2 16:32:13 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEqd7-0ImGPo-08-F8g."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:32:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEqd7-0ImGPo-08-F8g; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:26:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEqd7-0ImGPo-08 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:26:17 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEqd5-0003KG-Vk for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:26:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF6C42B39E2; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24108-10; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65D592B8C80; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:25:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id A48B32B39E2 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23968-07 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:25:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id D5DD12B8B51 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix ([87.244.68.226]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.3.8) with SMTP id GTB95207 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:25:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:24:57 GMT From: michael talibard To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Files Message-ID: <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com> References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 60 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> you wrote: > At the risk of spreading mis-information... >=3D20 > on this Iyonix >=3D20 > A downloaded RTF file, >=3D20 > if equipped with the right suffix (.rtf) >=3D20 > and filetype changed to RTF (from data), >=3D20 > will load cleanly into Easywriter >=3D20 > and the text may then be selected and dragged into an OPro frame >=3D20 > - also cleanly. >=3D20 > Very swift and neat. And very expensive (at =3DA399) for an OPro RTF loader=3D20 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 2 16:42:15 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEqkA-0tzGPo-01-F1d."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:42:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEqkA-0tzGPo-01-F1d; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:33:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEqkA-0tzGPo-01 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:33:34 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEqk4-0000gG-8K for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:33:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D69FF2B8D30; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25568-04; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 92FD12B8D8E; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:33:03 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:32:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id EA9D12B8D51 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25322-08 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 19EFA2B8B45 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1FEqio-0004YI-Aw for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:32:10 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:28:39 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Files Message-ID: References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 61 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: tim@powys.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 2 Mar, charles wrote: > At the risk of spreading mis-information... >=20 > on this Iyonix >=20 > A downloaded RTF file, >=20 > if equipped with the right suffix (.rtf) >=20 > and filetype changed to RTF (from data), >=20 > will load cleanly into Easywriter >=20 > and the text may then be selected and dragged into an OPro frame >=20 > - also cleanly. >=20 > Very swift and neat. Well that was no misinformation here: it works very well and deals totally with a problem I had had with some rtf files (autogenerated from "British Isles Vital Records" from the Mormons). Thanks. --=20 Tim Powys-Lybbe=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0tim@pow= ys.org =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0For a miscellany of bygones: http:= //powys.org From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 2 16:42:16 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEqm7-0zpGPo-05-Ezg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:42:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEqm7-0zpGPo-05-Ezg; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:35:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEqm7-0zpGPo-05 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:35:35 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEqm5-0007eI-UW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:35:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C5A812B8DE1; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25892-06; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6A54B2B8BC5; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:34:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 65D632B8DE1 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25751-03 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk [212.9.8.7]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with SMTP id 0573A2B8DA1 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:34:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from iyonix ([87.244.68.226]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.3.8) with SMTP id GTK21809 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:34:09 -0000 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:33:56 GMT From: michael talibard To: davidpilling@freelists.org Subject: [softwarelist] Re: RTF Files Message-ID: <534f61014e.michael@talibard.com> References: <65013f004e.david@dcrofts.btinternet.com> <361043004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4e0045f263john@schild.demon.co.uk> <776249004e.michael@talibard.com> <67bb4e004e.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <421058014e.charles@clara.co.uk> <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com> In-Reply-To: <227d60014e.michael@talibard.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 62 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: michael@talibard.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > And very expensive (at =3DA399) for an OPro RTF loader=3D20 Sorry to reply to my own: that of course is meant to=20 read " at [pound-sign]99" - why are these things so tricky? From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 2 22:22:31 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEwBU-2XNGPo-02-9aJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 22:22:31 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEwBU-2XNGPo-02-9aJ; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:22:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEwBU-2XNGPo-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:22:08 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEwBP-0000U8-8C for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:22:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DF37C2B8C1D; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26101-05; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 898962B8D11; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:19:59 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7B9762B8C1D for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25871-06 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id DEBEB2A97C5 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 17:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060302221957.LGTD29066.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 22:19:57 +0000 Received: from ntlworld ([81.109.183.72]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060302221957.JDQC27140.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 22:19:57 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Tab leaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.29b1 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:18:27 GMT Message-ID: X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 63 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I am trying to set a tab leader in a style, you can type it into the=20 space provided in the Tabs window but after clicking OK on that and in=20 the Edit Style window, if you go back to the tabs window it has=20 disapeared. Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong here? --=20 JayCee From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 2 23:12:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FEwuw-1KI000-02-8qr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:12:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FEwuw-1KI000-02-8qr; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:09:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FEwuw-1KI000-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:09:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FEwuw-0007hY-LD for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:09:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 20D782B3B37; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02201-04; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B9B912B96DB; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:08:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 9EFD52B3B37 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:08:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02007-02 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:08:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 436E42B7CFF for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:08:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [62.180.24.12] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML21M-1FEwu92eKR-0002M4; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:08:18 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tab leaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:08:58 +0100 Message-ID: <427a85014e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 64 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: public@mw-software.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message JayCee wrote: > I am trying to set a tab leader in a style, you can type it into the > space provided in the Tabs window but after clicking OK on that and in > the Edit Style window, if you go back to the tabs window it has > disapeared. >=20 > Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong here? Tab leaders are always associated with specific tabs. If you just=20 enter a leader without having a tab selected, it will not have any=20 effect. If you first select a tab and then enter the leader, it will=20 be applied correctly. Martin --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Thu Mar 2 23:32:36 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FExGt-0qBGPo-03-H1Q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:32:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FExGt-0qBGPo-03-H1Q; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:31:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FExGt-0qBGPo-03 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:31:47 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FExGs-00015A-V3 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:31:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2C43D2B9141; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06213-06; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id BF4482B9215; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:31:45 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:31:02 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 6B33D2B9141 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06133-06 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 325F82B7AAD for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FExG8-000DTn-G7 for davidpilling@freelists.org; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:31:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:29:39 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tab leaders References: <427a85014e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <427a85014e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 65 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Tab leaders are always associated with specific tabs. If you just >enter a leader without having a tab selected, it will not have any >effect. If you first select a tab and then enter the leader, it will >be applied correctly. And when you go back to the tabs window you need to select the=20 appropriate tab to see its leader. There is a bit of funny business in that after entering the leader you=20 need to do something to make it be remembered, e.g. press return, or=20 select another tab. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 3 14:01:47 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FF6Ck-2Ng000-06-Gc5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:01:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FF6Ck-2Ng000-06-Gc5; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:04:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FF6Ck-2Ng000-06 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:04:06 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FF6Cj-0003HT-UQ for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:04:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 755252B8A26; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 04:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16930-10; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 04:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 173D02B95A2; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 04:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 03 Mar 2006 04:03:19 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 7D3052B8A26 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 04:03:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16785-04 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 04:03:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 0BA0B2B9429 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 04:03:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060303090317.STS23947.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:03:17 +0000 Received: from ntlworld ([81.109.183.72]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060303090316.NFLO1217.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:03:16 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tab leaders To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.29b1 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:01:46 GMT Message-ID: References: <427a85014e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 66 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>Tab leaders are always associated with specific tabs. If you just >>enter a leader without having a tab selected, it will not have any >>effect. If you first select a tab and then enter the leader, it will >>be applied correctly. >=20 > And when you go back to the tabs window you need to select the > appropriate tab to see its leader. >=20 > There is a bit of funny business in that after entering the leader you > need to do something to make it be remembered, e.g. press return, or > select another tab. >=20 Thanks David and Martin for your very quick replies. You do have to select whch tab the leader applies to, I imagined it=20 would be a general choice. It now works correctly, I did check in the=20 manual before mailing but that does not mention having to select a tab=20 first. --=20 JayCee From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 3 14:11:17 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FFAwx-2SWknw-02-Brs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:11:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FFAwx-2SWknw-02-Brs; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:08:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FFAwx-2SWknw-02 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:08:07 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FFAww-0002IC-Oc for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:08:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 446112B953F; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27526-01; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id D0BE02B9065; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:07:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 04DEA2B93C1 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:07:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27329-04 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id C75F22B9209 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FFAwC-0005Pl-BC for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:07:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:05:52 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Tab leaders References: <427a85014e.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 67 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >You do have to select whch tab the leader applies to, I imagined it >would be a general choice. It now works correctly, I did check in the >manual before mailing but that does not mention having to select a tab Well it was a general choice at first, and you didn't have to select a=20 tab. However ex Impression users demanded tab dependent leaders. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 3 17:21:34 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FFDs7-3QM000-07-8wi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:21:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FFDs7-3QM000-07-8wi; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:15:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FFDs7-3QM000-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:15:19 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FFDs7-000222-1h for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:15:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8F05A2B75BC; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:15:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01823-02; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:15:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 324842B6900; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:15:18 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 03 Mar 2006 12:14:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B1AA52B75C5 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01539-07 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (slave.orpheusnet.co.uk [212.187.204.26]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 508702B9E25 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from rpc.rayhome (dsl82-163-191-198.as15444.net [82.163.191.198]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id k23HEBe5019751 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:14:16 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Favre To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:14:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Impression to OPro - page numbering Message-ID: <4e01d868b5ray@rayfavre.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.02f (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.067, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.02, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 68 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: ray@rayfavre.me.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) You may have seen a request here about getting an OPro version of the Dr Wimp Manual - which I foolishly agreed to try to provide! There are some problems concerned with matching the comprehensive index with the resulting page numbering. The Impression original has 47 chapters (there was a good reason at the time!) and most of them are grouped - using Impression's facility to allow different 'chapters' to have the same chapter number. The end result is a document with an un-numbered opening Section followed by four numbered Sections (numbered 1-4) with the page numbering restarting from 1 in each Section - despite, for instance, Section 2 comprising over 30 'chapters'. Converting this to OPro with TransImp has handled the layout very well but the page numbering is all over the place and there doesn't seem to be a quick way of correcting it. It looks as if the artificial 'chapter' numbering of the original cannot be replicated in OPro. Am I right? Also, is there a way of getting the conversion to OPro to take account of 'trailing empty pages' in an Impression Double Page Spread?. This, too, mucks up the original page numbering. Finally, I didn't realise before that OPro uses a master page for each chapter - even when the master page is the same (as opposed to, say, one master page serving the whole document). This makes repetitive master page changes to a multi-chaptered document very tedious. Or am I missing something? I am resigned to a bit of a slog (probably to get rid of the 47 chapters in the Impression version) but I thought I'd ask here first for any ideas. --=20 Regards from Ray Favre. Email at: Web site at: Tel: (+44) (0)1895 444410 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 3 17:51:28 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FFEL3-0nBknw-07-H0I."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:51:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FFEL3-0nBknw-07-H0I; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:45:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FFEL3-0nBknw-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:45:13 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FFEL2-0007kE-55 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:45:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 761BC2B9CA0; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06454-05; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 1D79F2B9C5C; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 03 Mar 2006 12:44:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 999492B9EDE for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06258-08 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 17AE02B9CAE for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FFEJu-000BSr-EK for davidpilling@freelists.org; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:44:02 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 17:42:58 +0000 To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Impression to OPro - page numbering References: <4e01d868b5ray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e01d868b5ray@rayfavre.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 69 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: flist@pilling.demon.co.uk Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >The Impression original has 47 chapters (there was a good reason at >the time!) and most of them are grouped - using Impression's facility >to allow different 'chapters' to have the same chapter number. That is news to me - which may say a lot about what follows. >artificial 'chapter' numbering of the original cannot be replicated >in OPro. >Am I right? Correct. OP can stand a document have more than one page with the same page=20 number. However it won't like having more than one chapter with the same=20 number. >Also, is there a way of getting the conversion to OPro to take >account of 'trailing empty pages' in an Impression Double Page >Spread?. This, too, mucks up the original page numbering. There is the 'start on left', 'start on right' setting for each chapter. I have a dim memory of some important point about blank pages=20 (printing?). I can't recall or locate the feature off hand... >Finally, I didn't realise before that OPro uses a master page for >each chapter - even when the master page is the same (as opposed to, >say, one master page serving the whole document). This makes >repetitive master page changes to a multi-chaptered document very >tedious. Or am I missing something? No you're right there. It is a long term aim to change this. >I am resigned to a bit of a slog (probably to get rid of the 47 >chapters in the Impression version) but I thought I'd ask here first >for any ideas. I might be inclined to take a text editor to the DDL version i.e. for=20 combining chapters. --=20 David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR U= K fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 3 18:51:30 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FFFJA-4Jdknw-04-G2B."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:51:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FFFJA-4Jdknw-04-G2B; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:47:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FFFJA-4Jdknw-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:47:20 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FFFJ6-0003jl-PW for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:47:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 051C62B5ADB; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:22:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12989-04; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 992E42B53D5; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 03 Mar 2006 13:21:44 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B88142B5ADB for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12954-02 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 5BA772B5A7E for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060303182053.ZUDT23947.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:20:53 +0000 Received: from ntlworld ([81.109.183.72]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060303182053.WUYG20857.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:20:53 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Impression to OPro - page numbering To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.29b1 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:15:38 GMT Message-ID: <0975ee014e.jaycee@jaygcee.ntlworld.com> References: <4e01d868b5ray@rayfavre.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4e01d868b5ray@rayfavre.me.uk> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 70 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e01d868b5ray@rayfavre.me.uk> Ray Favre wrote: > You may have seen a request here about getting an OPro version of the > Dr Wimp Manual - which I foolishly agreed to try to provide! >=20 [snip conversion problems] Ray as the person who asked about the manual it may not be worth your=20 while expending so much effort on just one request. Can I ask anyone who is using DrWimp and OPro to post here to indicate=20 to Ray how much this conversion is actually needed. At the moment I=20 get round it by renumbering the master page bottom frames by changing=20 1-4 all to 1, 2-42 all to 2 etc (not the correct chapter numbers just=20 illustrating). Of course indexing and contents are all screwed up and=20 you do get some pages with large blanks at the bottom but it is=20 useable. Section 3 I keep I a separate folder anyway. --=20 JayCee From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 3 19:21:32 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FFFgl-0iJVbs-04-Fea."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:21:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FFFgl-0iJVbs-04-Fea; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:11:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FFFgl-0iJVbs-04 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:11:43 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FFFgk-0004gs-0T for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:11:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 8897E2BA121; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19385-01; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2852B2B9F44; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:10:53 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 041302B9EA3 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19321-01 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from outmail.freedom2surf.net (outmail1.freedom2surf.net [194.106.33.237]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 58A6A2BA042 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k23JAl5K030222 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:10:47 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: OvationPro Mail List Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:58:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Impression to OPro - page numbering Message-ID: <4e01ecdeb4bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4e01d868b5ray@rayfavre.me.uk> References: <4e01d868b5ray@rayfavre.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-type: text/plain X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 71 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: bric@f2s.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4e01d868b5ray@rayfavre.me.uk>, Ray Favre wrote: > You may have seen a request here about getting an OPro version > of the Dr Wimp Manual - which I foolishly agreed to try to > provide! [Snip: long list of problems converting a curiously-structured Impession document] > I am resigned to a bit of a slog (probably to get rid of the > 47 chapters in the Impression version) but I thought I'd ask > here first for any ideas. Ho, ho, ho! I shall keep this to trot out when next I see a eulogy on how superior OP is over Impression :-)) Brian. --=20 ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ From davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Fri Mar 3 20:21:35 2006 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1FFGdF-313Vbs-07-Ei6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:21:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1FFGdF-313Vbs-07-Ei6; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 20:12:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1FFGdF-313Vbs-07 for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 20:12:09 +0000 Received: from [206.53.239.180] (helo=turing.freelists.org) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1FFGdF-0001hN-7U for flist@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 20:12:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id B96132B7E55; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29110-04; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 54F062B73C6; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list davidpilling); Fri, 03 Mar 2006 15:11:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Delivered-To: davidpilling@freelists.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id 2EBEB2B7E55 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:11:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29014-02 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:11:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.49]) by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with ESMTP id ADA842B77D8 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060303201123.EDTT23947.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:11:23 +0000 Received: from ntlworld ([81.109.183.72]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060303201123.XWNA27140.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@ntlworld> for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:11:23 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Impression to OPro - page numbering To: davidpilling@freelists.org From: JayCee X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.29b1 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 20:09:30 GMT Message-ID: References: <4e01d868b5ray@rayfavre.me.uk> <4e01ecdeb4bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4e01ecdeb4bric@f2s.com> X-Organization: JaySoft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/4.08 (MsgServe/3.23) (RISC-OS/5.11) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net X-archive-position: 72 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org Errors-To: davidpilling-bounce@freelists.org X-original-sender: jaygcee@ntlworld.com Precedence: normal Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org X-list: davidpilling X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p9 (Debian) at avenirtech.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e01ecdeb4bric@f2s.com> Brian Carroll wrote: > In article <4e01d868b5ray@rayfavre.me.uk>, Ray Favre > wrote: >> You may have seen a request here about getting an OPro version >> of the Dr Wimp Manual - which I foolishly agreed to try to >> provide! >=20 > [Snip: long list of problems converting a curiously-structured > Impession document] >=20 >> I am resigned to a bit of a slog (probably to get rid of the >> 47 chapters in the Impression version) but I thought I'd ask >> here first for any ideas. >=20 > Ho, ho, ho! I shall keep this to trot out when next I see a > eulogy on how superior OP is over Impression :-)) >=20 That's really helpful - it helps to show what level luddites brains=20 work at. --=20 JayCee