From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 1 17:03:09 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ehrmu-4PcVbs-07-1Spf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:03:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ehrmu-4PcVbs-07-1Spf; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:00:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ehrmu-4PcVbs-07; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:00:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ehrmu-0004NR-0H; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:00:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EhrvO-0007Xd-IT; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:08:51 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EhrkM-0001xr-32 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:57:26 +0000 Received: from [219.88.242.3] (helo=dbmail-mx1.orcon.net.nz) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhrkL-0001xP-3g for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:57:25 +0000 Received-SPF: none Received: from rpc.home.co.nz (port-60-234-98-130.orcon.net.nz [60.234.98.130]) by dbmail-mx1.orcon.net.nz (8.13.2/8.13.2/Debian-1) with ESMTP id jB1GvkQE028268 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 05:57:49 +1300 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPScan 1.23 for RISC OS To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Love X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:07:50 +0100 Message-ID: <155887d24d.zed@orcon.co.nz> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87.1, clamav-milter version 0.87 on dbmail-mx1.orcon.net.nz X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > DPlngScan 1.23 for RISC OS is available from: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/sc123.zip > > This lets you save the aspect lock setting for the image scale facility. > It also uses a newer TIFF library. So you can now save/load CMYK TIFF > files. Thank you David. My cup runneth over! Another sunny day in New Zealand. David -- David Love It's hard to make a program foolproof because fools are so ingenious. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 1 18:03:11 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EhskV-179000-06-1JLY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:03:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EhskV-179000-06-1JLY; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:01:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EhskV-179000-06; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:01:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EhskV-0003Xo-1U; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:01:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ehst5-0002Gv-LZ; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:10:32 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ehsim-0008Uf-No for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:59:52 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.132] (helo=pih-relay05.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ehsim-0008UY-BX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:59:52 +0000 Received: from [87.112.82.212] (helo=patbryan.plus.com) by pih-relay05.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1Ehsil-0003W3-Lw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:59:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:00:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OP for W Message-ID: <4dd28c29depatbryan@patbryan.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.03e (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Having persuaded a friend to install the OP for Windows Read Only version, I provided a couple of documents for him to try. One of the docs came up with the message ...... font not present. We clicked on the Temporary Substitution button and the message and the doc disappeared. Can anything be done? (I don't want to go for PDF, I want to persuade him that OP is the best DTP program!) Thanks, Bryan -- Using a British Risc PC running RISC OS Select and the Pluto mail and newsreader. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 1 19:43:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EhuIJ-2Lpknw-07-19HE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:43:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EhuIJ-2Lpknw-07-19HE; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:40:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EhuIJ-2Lpknw-07; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:40:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EhuII-0006dr-V7; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:40:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EhtO6-00047B-37; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:42:35 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EhuGg-0002tL-DT for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:38:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhuGg-0002tE-2Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:38:58 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EhuGf-0000sV-LY for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:38:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:37:17 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP for W References: <4dd28c29depatbryan@patbryan.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4dd28c29depatbryan@patbryan.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,CLICK_BELOW,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I provided a couple of documents for him to try. One of the docs came up >with the message ...... font not present. We clicked on the Temporary >Substitution button and the message and the doc disappeared. Can anything >be done? (I don't want to go for PDF, I want to persuade him that OP is It's hard to say. What you describe should not happen - so possibly there is a bug there. However missing fonts are a common thing, and when I click on temp. substitution the documents open as they should. One possibility is that you didn't click on the right button - there is another option that stops loading. This idea has some credence because you don't report an error message, which is what happens if the program crashes. The other possibility is some sort of bug which only your document triggers. Maybe you could experiment with OPW on your own machine or send me the document in question. As to something to do... I suppose you might investigate if one of the fonts Arial, Times New Roman or Helvetica are present on the machine. Those are the fonts OPW will try to use as a last resort. That brings to mind, what version of Windows are we talking about here? Has it got 2 fonts loaded or 2000. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 1 23:13:27 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EhxTe-1Vc000-02-1EcP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:13:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EhxTe-1Vc000-02-1EcP; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:04:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EhxTe-1Vc000-02; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:04:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EhxTe-0000Mc-2u; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:04:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EhxZE-0000z9-1n; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:10:20 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EhxRI-0006aj-RY for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:02:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EhxRI-0006aX-Gs for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:02:08 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EhxKF-000Je2-59 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:54:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:00:49 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP for W References: <4dd28c29depatbryan@patbryan.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4dd28c29depatbryan@patbryan.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >It is Windows XP. I am a duffer when it comes to windows machines so I >cannot help there. The program did not crash, just the attached file did not >load after the typeface warning. We tried the substitution button several times. >I do not know how many fonts were present but assumed that Times for >instance would be there. I will ask my friend sometime soon. Thank you for sending me the document. It loads perfectly for me - gives a message about missing "OldAdrian..." 3 fonts in total. I click on Temp... and it opens fine. When the missing font window appears, try pressing the T key on the keyboard instead of clicking - faint hope that this will help, but it's something to try. I presume you're using the latest version of OPW? (real version or reader?) If you manage to close the missing font window - say by hitting ALT+F4 or clicking on the close icon, then as I said the default action is to not load the document. What I'm getting at here is there may be some other software loaded that interferes somehow. More likely of course is a bug, but how to generate it, that's the problem. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 6 16:56:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EiFcX-4Hcknw-05-1d66."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:56:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EiFcX-4Hcknw-05-1d66; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:26:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EiFcX-4Hcknw-05; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:26:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EiFcX-0000XD-GN; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:26:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EiFiJ-00043k-OG; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:32:56 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EiFaS-000490-3Q for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:24:48 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.158] (helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EiFaR-00048u-NP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:24:47 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3008.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 71AAC1C000D3 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:24:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-1201.l5.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.4.177]) by mwinf3008.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 2DCC91C000B8 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:24:47 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051202182447187.2DCC91C000B8@mwinf3008.me.freeserve.com Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:24:44 GMT From: Alan Adams Message-ID: <5f3812d34d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I've just been reminded about the existence of SyncDiscs, and thought I'd try it out. It has done some things I find strange, and I'd like comments from anyone who uses it. I wanted to back up my main data disc to a PC. I use LanMan98 (v1.22) to access the share on the PC, and I created two directories, SyncBigDisc and SyncDeleted. I set up SyncDisc (v1.09) to back up the root of BigDisc on the RPC to SyncBigDisc, with extra files being moved to SyncDeleted. After about 20 hours running, I had to stop it as I wanted to use the RPC. It had copied about 20GB in that time, about the same speed as any of the other means I have tried to back this RPC up. When I ran it again, if failed after a while with "access denied". I presume this is because a file it had previously copied was locked, and it tried to overwrite it. I unlocked the last folder it had been working in, and restarted. After some time I noticed, on the PC, that files were appearing in the SyncDeleted folder. Further investigation shows that it had started at the beginning of the source disc and was moving files into SyncDeleted, then making another copy in SyncBigDisc. To summarise: I still have all the original data on the RPC BigDisc. I have all the data, as far as I can tell, on the PC in SyncBigDisc I have another copy, up to the point where I stopped SyncDiscs, on the PC in SyncDeleted. The config file follows: //->Config // Produced by SyncDiscs at 9:48pm 29 Nov 05 // // SyncDiscs Primary ADFS::BigDisc.$ SyncDiscs Secondary LanMan98::server.$.SyncBigDisc SyncDiscs Scrap LanMan98::server.$.SyncDeleted SyncDiscs LogFile LanMan98::server.$.SyncLog.log SyncDiscs Newer 0 SyncDiscs Extra 0 SyncDiscs Log 1 SyncDiscs Overwrite 0 SyncDiscs TimeRes 0 I have an empty log file, despite ticking the log box, and setting the path to LanMan98::server:.$.SyncLog.log. The file exists, but is empty. What am I doing wrong? Do I need something other than 0 for TimeRes, which seems to be undocumented? -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 6 16:56:52 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EiZTH-2kpGPo-03-1JFM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:56:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EiZTH-2kpGPo-03-1JFM; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:38:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EiZTH-2kpGPo-03; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:38:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EiZTH-0003Ws-OP; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:38:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EiZbQ-0004Uy-S1; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:47:10 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EiZQz-0002Ni-La for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:36:21 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.157] (helo=smtp2.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EiZQz-0002ND-4d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:36:21 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3101.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DD6992C00088 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:36:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from Phoebe (user-6470.l3.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.79.217.70]) by mwinf3101.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 93E3D2C00087 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:36:20 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051203153620605.93E3D2C00087@mwinf3101.me.freeserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 15:36:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP for W Message-ID: <4dd386a1bcmark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4dd28c29depatbryan@patbryan.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >It is Windows XP. I am a duffer when it comes to windows machines so I > >cannot help there. The program did not crash, just the attached file did > >not load after the typeface warning. We tried the substitution button > >several times. I do not know how many fonts were present but assumed > >that Times for instance would be there. I will ask my friend sometime > >soon. > Thank you for sending me the document. > It loads perfectly for me - gives a message about missing "OldAdrian..." > 3 fonts in total. I click on Temp... and it opens fine. [Snip] I've also had this happen on one of my documents (www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk/downloads/SkyD.zip) where it asks if you want to substitute the fonts, when I click on either temporary or permanent replacement the document loads initially and then I get an error box and Ovation Pro for windows (read only) quits on me. Another problem I have is that using the 'View' menu causes Ovation Pro to quit. -- What do you say to a beer, Normie? Hiya, sailor. New in town? ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 6 16:56:55 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eibke-3RN000-07-zux."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:56:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eibke-3RN000-07-zux; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:04:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eibke-3RN000-07; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:04:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eibkd-0002OB-S2; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:04:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eibsy-0000GY-Pg; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:13:26 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eibir-00040G-54 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:02:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eibiq-000406-NM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:02:56 +0000 Received: from 212-229-247-57.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.247.57] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EibcF-000LG4-Gw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:56:08 +0000 Message-ID: <005501c5f833$c992f880$39f7e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <5f3812d34d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs problem Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:49:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I still have all the original data on the RPC BigDisc. > I have all the data, as far as I can tell, on the PC in SyncBigDisc > I have another copy, up to the point where I stopped SyncDiscs, on the PC > in > SyncDeleted. > SyncDiscs TimeRes 0 See the quote from the Windows SyncDiscs->Help Topics below. This is an old story. FAT on its own has a poor time resolution and when synchronised to NTFS perhaps an hour is safe. Anyway you need a non-zero TimeRes. Ah ha you're working from RISC OS, same applies. This is easy to test yourself, look at the time stamp on RISC OS copy file to Windows and look at the time stamp there. RISC OS has a time resolution of 1/100th second. NTFS 1/1000 th. FAT 2 seconds (?). However what makes things worse are time zones and daylight saving time. > I have an empty log file, despite ticking the log box, and setting the > path > to LanMan98::server:.$.SyncLog.log. The file exists, but is empty. No idea. Try putting the log file on RISC OS. ISTR thinking once that the huge expanses of disc space on my PC would be a good place to back up files from RISC OS. However I didn't have a very happy time copying direct, and ended up putting everything in a Zip file - turning off compression helps - and then copying that to the PC. ======================================================== Unexpected results can arise when synchronising files on different filing systems because they store file times with different resolutions. So for example if you synchronise a directory on NTFS with one on FAT, you may find that a subsequent synchronisation (without any changes to the files) would copy files back from FAT to NTFS - assuming the "Copy newer files from secondary to primary" option was selected. One fix for this behaviour is provided by a registry variable HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\DavidPilling\SyncDiscs\SyncDiscs\TimeRes This is the time resolution used in centiseconds (hundredths of a second). If two file times are within the time resolution they are treated as being the same. ========================================================== David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 6 16:56:56 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eibkt-0AAknw-02-aLA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:56:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eibkt-0AAknw-02-aLA; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:05:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eibkt-0AAknw-02; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:05:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eibkt-0002Ry-5a; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:05:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eibsy-0000Ga-18; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:13:25 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eibis-00040c-1s for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:02:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eibir-00040O-Sp for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:02:57 +0000 Received: from 212-229-247-57.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.247.57] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EibcG-000LG4-I8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:56:09 +0000 Message-ID: <005601c5f833$ca625670$39f7e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <4dd28c29depatbryan@patbryan.plus.com> <4dd386a1bcmark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP for W Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 17:50:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I've also had this happen on one of my documents > (www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk/downloads/SkyD.zip) where it asks if you want > to > substitute the fonts, when I click on either temporary or permanent > replacement the document loads initially and then I get an error box and > Ovation Pro for windows (read only) quits on me. Thanks for that. It won't go wrong for me. I wonder what the error message is? (that is a handy list of the channels on Sky...) > Another problem I have is that using the 'View' menu causes Ovation Pro to > quit. What always on any document? Again is this on XP? Which version (number and time) of OPW? David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 6 16:57:03 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EiffR-3CYVbs-01-1LZi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:57:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EiffR-3CYVbs-01-1LZi; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:15:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EiffR-3CYVbs-01; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:15:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EiffR-0005Wx-IZ; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:15:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eifue-0002fP-Ue; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:31:26 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EifdA-0006e2-Rz for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:13:20 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.133] (helo=pih-relay06.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EifdA-0006dw-Ma for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:13:20 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Eifd5-0007hY-Ut for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:13:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 22:10:31 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: <28baaad34d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Subject: [softwarelist] Opro and Mac-dom MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Just seen this on a Mac newsgroup: > With Tiger (Not with anything that Word Perfect used to let me do, I > mean), I need help finding a program or software. > > I'm working with some volunteers just recently, and I need some > recognition for their time and effort. I'd like to print off > something like a "Certificate of Appreciation" for them, but I'm > looking for the best software to let me do this. > > Paper, I can get. But I want to print something with the > "Spiro-graph" border; maybe something with a folded banner across the > top where I can put the name of the volunteer (or the recognition) > and the ability to add text and images. And maybe to be able to > print off a "seal" in the lower left corner? > > Can anyone tell me which software I need to be looking for, please? > I've tried Word, but columns don't work' neither does a table to > sectionalize text and images. I need something a little more > versatile and a lot more professional looking. To an satisfied Ovation owner, I can't see any problem. Call it another vote for OPro on the Mac! -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 6 16:57:05 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EignV-3SnVbs-04-13Oc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:57:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EignV-3SnVbs-04-13Oc; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:28:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EignV-3SnVbs-04; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:28:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EignU-0007Y6-Tv; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:28:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eih2a-0001zF-Bo; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:43:42 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eigle-00057G-Tr for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:26:10 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.157] (helo=smtp2.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eigle-00056q-H5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:26:10 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3111.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3700C2000083 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:26:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-5187.l2.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.77.116.67]) by mwinf3111.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id B1A022000087 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 00:26:09 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051203232609727.B1A022000087@mwinf3111.me.freeserve.com Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 23:25:28 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs problem Message-ID: References: <5f3812d34d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <005501c5f833$c992f880$39f7e5d4@mypc2> In-Reply-To: <005501c5f833$c992f880$39f7e5d4@mypc2> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <005501c5f833$c992f880$39f7e5d4@mypc2> you wrote: > > > I still have all the original data on the RPC BigDisc. > > I have all the data, as far as I can tell, on the PC in SyncBigDisc > > I have another copy, up to the point where I stopped SyncDiscs, on the PC > > in > > SyncDeleted. > > SyncDiscs TimeRes 0 > > See the quote from the Windows SyncDiscs->Help Topics below. This is an old > story. FAT on its own has a poor time resolution and when synchronised to > NTFS perhaps an hour is safe. Anyway you need a non-zero TimeRes. Thanks. I'll try 3600 then. > > Ah ha you're working from RISC OS, same applies. This is easy to test > yourself, look at the time stamp on RISC OS copy file to Windows and look at > the time stamp there. I looked at the time stamp on RISC OS and the PC (over LanMan98 - in other words I was using RISC OS to display both - and they are identical. You mean I should look at the timestamp displayed by Windows? (I don't see how that could affect things, as the application doing the compare is on RISC OS, what have i missed?) This might also explain why *copying with Newer copied some files every tine. > RISC OS has a time resolution of 1/100th second. NTFS 1/1000 th. FAT 2 > seconds (?). However what makes things worse are time zones and daylight > saving time. > > > I have an empty log file, despite ticking the log box, and setting the > > path > > to LanMan98::server:.$.SyncLog.log. The file exists, but is empty. > > No idea. Try putting the log file on RISC OS. I think I'd better not put it on the disc being copied FROM though - lucky I have a second disc. > > ISTR thinking once that the huge expanses of disc space on my PC would be a > good place to back up files from RISC OS. However I didn't have a very happy > time copying direct, and ended up putting everything in a Zip file - turning > off compression helps - and then copying that to the PC. Unfortunately making a Zip file of 32GB of data, in the 8GB free space on a 40GB disc, is going to be a bit difficult. > > > ======================================================== > Unexpected results can arise when synchronising files on different filing > systems because they store file times with different resolutions. So for > example if you synchronise a directory on NTFS with one on FAT, you may find > that a subsequent synchronisation (without any changes to the files) would > copy files back from FAT to NTFS - assuming the "Copy newer files from > secondary to primary" option was selected. > > One fix for this behaviour is provided by a registry variable > > HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\DavidPilling\SyncDiscs\SyncDiscs\TimeRes > > This is the time resolution used in centiseconds (hundredths of a second). > If two file times are within the time resolution they are treated as being > the same. > Anyway thanks for the reply - I'll do some more testing. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 6 16:57:16 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EipZ4-2kn000-05-da1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:57:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EipZ4-2kn000-05-da1; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:49:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EipZ4-2kn000-05; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:49:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EipZ4-00010L-5e; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:49:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eipf3-0007gn-4b; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:55:57 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EipX3-0002ln-Ei for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:47:41 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.157] (helo=smtp2.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EipX2-0002lX-MM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:47:40 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3113.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 57D5F5C00088 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:47:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from Phoebe (user-211.lns4-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.67.0.211]) by mwinf3113.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 16FC65C00087 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 09:47:39 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051204084740942.16FC65C00087@mwinf3113.me.freeserve.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Fraser To: Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 08:47:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP for W Message-ID: <4dd3e50442mark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <005601c5f833$ca625670$39f7e5d4@mypc2> References: <4dd28c29depatbryan@patbryan.plus.com> <4dd386a1bcmark@mfraz.freeserve.co.uk> <005601c5f833$ca625670$39f7e5d4@mypc2> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <005601c5f833$ca625670$39f7e5d4@mypc2>, David Pilling wrote: > > I've also had this happen on one of my documents > > (www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk/downloads/SkyD.zip) where it asks if you > > want to substitute the fonts, when I click on either temporary or > > permanent replacement the document loads initially and then I get an > > error box and Ovation Pro for windows (read only) quits on me. > Thanks for that. It won't go wrong for me. I wonder what the error > message is? Next time I use it, I'll make a note of the error message. > (that is a handy list of the channels on Sky...) > > Another problem I have is that using the 'View' menu causes Ovation Pro > > to quit. > What always on any document? > Again is this on XP? Which version (number and time) of OPW? This is with XP SP2 and with the latest read only version of OPW (2.75 8th November 2005). -- How's it going Mr. Peterson? It's a dog eat dog world, Woody, and I'm wearing Milk-Bone underwear! ___________________________________________ |\ /| ark Fraser /mfraz2002@hotmail.com | \/ | Somerset /www.mfraz.freeserve.co.uk | |__________/Acorn SA RISC PC You know what the sig means! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 6 16:57:19 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EirrI-25Xknw-05-1QQt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:57:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EirrI-25Xknw-05-1QQt; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:16:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EirrI-25Xknw-05; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:16:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EirrI-0003EX-5h; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:16:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eirx5-0004hg-Cf; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:22:43 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eirov-0004CE-60 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:14:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eirou-0004Bn-Jb for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:14:16 +0000 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Eirho-000EBi-4i for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:06:56 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro and Mac-dom To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Fred Bambrough X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 00:10:48 GMT Message-ID: <33bdb5d34d.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <28baaad34d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <28baaad34d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical ink User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <28baaad34d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: [snip] > To an satisfied Ovation owner, I can't see any problem. > > Call it another vote for OPro on the Mac! Mmm. OPro and Messenger for Mac... I could give up ROS. -- Fred -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 6 16:57:24 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EisEG-4dfVbs-07-rxr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:57:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EisEG-4dfVbs-07-rxr; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:40:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EisEG-4dfVbs-07; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:40:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EisEG-0005Rl-I9; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:40:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EisTO-0004m0-Oc; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:56:08 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EisC5-0000E0-Ip for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:38:13 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EisC5-0000Dv-AY for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:38:13 +0000 Received: from iyonix (dsl82-163-120-21.as15444.net [82.163.120.21]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jB4Bc1Rs020199 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:38:01 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pv To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:35:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro and Mac-dom Message-ID: <4dd3f467f1lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <33bdb5d34d.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <28baaad34d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <33bdb5d34d.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-mx1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.008, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <33bdb5d34d.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk>, Fred Bambrough wrote: > Mmm. OPro and Messenger for Mac... I could give up ROS. I wouldn't. The Mac GUI is absolutely horrible compared to RISC OS. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ You will not hesistate, you will not consider, you will not lie. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 6 16:57:26 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eisbu-3UQknw-05-18dF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:57:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eisbu-3UQknw-05-18dF; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:04:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eisbu-3UQknw-05; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:04:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eisbu-0005hw-9h; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:04:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eisk8-0001kL-Dc; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:13:25 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eisa9-0003E9-Op for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:03:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eisa9-0003E4-Du for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:03:05 +0000 Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Eisa9-000Pqs-6W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:03:05 +0000 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:04:22 GMT From: David W Mills To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro and Mac-dom Message-ID: <6011f7d34d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <28baaad34d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <33bdb5d34d.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <33bdb5d34d.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <33bdb5d34d.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> Fred Bambrough wrote: > In message <28baaad34d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> > Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > > > [snip] > > To an satisfied Ovation owner, I can't see any problem. > > > > Call it another vote for OPro on the Mac! > > Mmm. OPro and Messenger for Mac... I could give up ROS. > I've (reluctantly) come to the conclusion that it's (currently) a case of Horses for Courses..... my Graphic Designer acquaintances have all looked at evrything else and come down on the side of Macs... I will have to buy a W******* macine for my genealogy stuff... RiscOS for most things besides. As long as I can transfer between OSes for school.... we have to use word according to the PTB... but am working on them looking at OPro at least. David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 6 16:57:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EiswD-1TYGPo-06-1gP0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:57:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EiswD-1TYGPo-06-1gP0; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:25:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EiswD-1TYGPo-06; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:25:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EiswD-00008h-81; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:25:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eis1m-0002TK-QD; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:27:36 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eissp-0004vQ-F3 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:22:23 +0000 Received: from [195.7.228.20] (helo=snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eissp-0004vK-3a for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:22:23 +0000 Received: from 156.251-7-195.ippool.ndo.com ([195.7.251.156] helo=[192.168.2.2]) by snowstorm.hosts.ndo.com with esmtp (NDO SMTP Pool (Abuse to: abuse@ndo.com)) id 1Eisso-0008EO-00 for ; Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:22:22 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:22:21 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro and Mac-dom From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6011f7d34d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > In message <33bdb5d34d.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> > Fred Bambrough wrote: > >> In message <28baaad34d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> >> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: >> >> >> [snip] >>> To an satisfied Ovation owner, I can't see any problem. >>> >>> Call it another vote for OPro on the Mac! >> >> Mmm. OPro and Messenger for Mac... I could give up ROS. >> > > I've (reluctantly) come to the conclusion that it's (currently) a case of > Horses for Courses..... my Graphic Designer acquaintances have all looked at > evrything else and come down on the side of Macs... I will have to buy a > W******* macine for my genealogy stuff... RiscOS for most things besides. > > As long as I can transfer between OSes for school.... we have to use word > according to the PTB... but am working on them looking at OPro at least. > > David > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net On 4/12/05 12:04 pm, "David W Mills" wrote: Having had Mac and Risc PC for many years now I agree the 'horses for courses' approach works well. However, major items of commercial software, like Microsoft Office and Adobe Photoshop/Illustrator, are available for both Macs and Windows machines, while Macs can operate as a virtual PC, and a PC as a virtual Acorn, so there are plenty of choices. That apart, RISC OS still provides by far the most flexible OS environment in my view. Mac OS is good but suffers from having adopted some Windows strategies. Drag n' Drop under RISC OS is a joy. Mike Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 6 16:58:35 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EjKtz-0Egknw-01-org."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:58:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EjKtz-0Egknw-01-org; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:17:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EjKtz-0Egknw-01; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:17:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EjKtz-0007N7-AY; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:17:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EjL21-0002cs-BH; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:25:46 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EjKrq-0001TW-Hn for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:15:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjKri-0001S2-2h for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:15:06 +0000 Received: from 212-229-245-166.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.245.166] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EjKka-000Her-3k for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:07:44 +0000 Message-ID: <004c01c5f9c7$d12f6700$a6f5e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <5f3812d34d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <005501c5f833$c992f880$39f7e5d4@mypc2> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs problem Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:19:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I looked at the time stamp on RISC OS and the PC (over LanMan98 - in other > words I was using RISC OS to display both - and they are identical. You > mean > I should look at the timestamp displayed by Windows? Good point. It depends if LanMan stores the Acorn file info on the PC (and if that information is allowed to persist). You have another slight catch in that the RISC OS desktop may store some information - in other words what you see on the desktop may not be what SyncDiscs does. >> No idea. Try putting the log file on RISC OS. > I think I'd better not put it on the disc being copied FROM though - lucky > I > have a second disc. SyncDiscs knows not to sync its log file. > Unfortunately making a Zip file of 32GB of data, in the 8GB free space on > a 40GB > disc, is going to be a bit difficult. There is the possibility of locating the Zip on Windows whilst you write to it - however I don't know how reliable that would be, probably depends on the versions of RISC OS software. David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 6 16:58:36 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EjKu1-4Xv000-03-1Mxi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:58:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EjKu1-4Xv000-03-1Mxi; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:17:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EjKu1-4Xv000-03; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:17:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EjKu1-0007Ny-Ek; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:17:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EjJzk-0000w8-Qs; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:19:21 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EjKrk-0001Sc-7O for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:15:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjKrk-0001SX-0Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:15:08 +0000 Received: from 212-229-245-166.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.245.166] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EjKkc-000Her-4c for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:07:46 +0000 Message-ID: <004e01c5f9c7$d2892aa0$a6f5e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: Subject: [softwarelist] Printing -tiling A2 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:42:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C5F9BA.D1459A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C5F9BA.D1459A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >(Sorry if you get this twice - it isn't appearing in my mail!) You're posting from a non-subscribed address - that makes the mail = bounce to me. If you're lucky I spot it - amongst the 10's of bounced emails from = "Barclays bank". >I have an A2 size draw file which I have dropped into OPro, after=20 >However when I print it to my HP2550L only 3 pages print with anything=20 >on, the other six are all 'printed' blank. Doesn't sound right. I'd suggest experimenting on SPrinter - just to save paper. I'll try out the situation you describe. >Can anyone please give me simple guidelines for printing an A2=20 >document tiled. Yes does it work at all? The Tile format has a bit of a chequered past, good idea, but not = implemented as well as it could be - e.g. allowing overlaps. Hmm. has = Nick Kaijaks done an improved version of it? MIght be worth looking.=20 The other worry I have, is that some RISC OS graphics have limited = resolution. David Pilling ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C5F9BA.D1459A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>(Sorry if you get this twice - it = isn't=20 appearing in my mail!)
 
You're posting from a non-subscribed = address - that=20 makes the mail bounce to me.
 
If you're lucky I spot it - amongst the = 10's of=20 bounced emails from "Barclays bank".
 
>I have an A2 size draw file which I = have=20 dropped into OPro, after
>However when I=20 print it to my HP2550L only 3 pages print with anything
>on, the = other=20 six are all 'printed' blank.
 
Doesn't sound right.
 
I'd suggest experimenting on SPrinter - = just to=20 save paper.
 
I'll try out the situation you=20 describe.
 
>Can anyone please give me simple = guidelines for=20 printing an A2
>document tiled.
 
Yes does it work at all?
 
The Tile format has a bit of a = chequered past, good=20 idea, but not implemented as well as it could be - e.g. allowing = overlaps. Hmm.=20 has Nick Kaijaks done an improved version of it? MIght be worth looking. =
 
The other worry I have, is that some = RISC OS=20 graphics have limited resolution.
 
 
David = Pilling
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C5F9BA.D1459A00-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 6 16:58:36 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EjKu4-4RjVbs-05-1ER9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:58:36 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EjKu4-4RjVbs-05-1ER9; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:17:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EjKu4-4RjVbs-05; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:17:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EjKu3-0000yX-Uo; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:17:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EjL9H-0001Tw-1P; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:33:16 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EjKrj-0001SQ-Kw for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:15:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjKrj-0001SD-2c for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:15:07 +0000 Received: from 212-229-245-166.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.245.166] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EjKkb-000Her-46 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:07:45 +0000 Message-ID: <004d01c5f9c7$d1d89f50$a6f5e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: Subject: [softwarelist] Printing -tiling A2 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:22:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C5F9B8.1DAE5470" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_LINK version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C5F9B8.1DAE5470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From: JayCee (Sorry if you get this twice - it isn't appearing in my mail!) I have an A2 size draw file which I have dropped into OPro, after=20 setting the page size appropriately to A2. However when I print it to my HP2550L only 3 pages print with anything=20 on, the other six are all 'printed' blank. This is with tiling 3x3 selected in the printer setup. If you count the pages from top left to bottom right then it is pages=20 2,3 and 7 that print. The printer page size is set to A4 and if you change it to A2 then=20 nothing prints at all, not even blank pages; when you prerss print in=20 OPro the green light flshes very briefly to indicate receiving data=20 then goes out and nothing happens, control is returned to the Iyonix. Can anyone please give me simple guidelines for printing an A2=20 document tiled. Iyonix RISCOS 5.10 rel9 OvationPro 2.75 !Printers 1.72 --=20 JayCee ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C5F9B8.1DAE5470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>From: JayCee <jaygcee@ntlworld.com>
(Sorry if you get this twice - it isn't = appearing=20 in my mail!)
 
I have an A2 size draw file which I = have dropped=20 into OPro, after
setting the page size appropriately to = A2.
 
However when I print it to my HP2550L = only 3 pages=20 print with anything
on, the other six are all 'printed' = blank.
 
This is with tiling 3x3 selected in the = printer=20 setup.
 
If you count the pages from top left to = bottom=20 right then it is pages
2,3 and 7 that print.
 
The printer page size is set to A4 and = if you=20 change it to A2 then
nothing prints at all, not even blank pages; = when you=20 prerss print in
OPro the green light flshes very briefly to indicate = receiving data
then goes out and nothing happens, control is = returned to the=20 Iyonix.
 
Can anyone please give me simple = guidelines for=20 printing an A2
document tiled.
 
Iyonix RISCOS 5.10 rel9  = OvationPro 2.75 =20 !Printers 1.72
 
-- =
JayCee
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C5F9B8.1DAE5470-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 6 16:58:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EjLfW-32Kknw-02-1dFF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:58:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EjLfW-32Kknw-02-1dFF; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:06:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EjLfW-32Kknw-02; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:06:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EjLfW-0002ii-0d; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:06:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EjKlE-0007gT-RZ; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:08:25 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EjLdz-0002R1-5y for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:04:59 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.188] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjLdy-0002Qt-O4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:04:58 +0000 Received: from [62.246.43.55] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1EjLdv0zR0-000420; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:04:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs problem To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b8 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:05:03 +0100 Message-ID: <3b6ba1d44d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <5f3812d34d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <004c01c5f9c7$d12f6700$a6f5e5d4@mypc2> In-Reply-To: <004c01c5f9c7$d12f6700$a6f5e5d4@mypc2> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <004c01c5f9c7$d12f6700$a6f5e5d4@mypc2> "David Pilling" wrote: > Alan wrote: >> I looked at the time stamp on RISC OS and the PC (over LanMan98 - in other >> words I was using RISC OS to display both - and they are identical. You cannot easily see whether they are identical because you only see the time stamp the Filer displays to you, which is in seconds only but not in centiseconds. If you wanted to check whether the stamps are exactly the same you would have to use OS calls to get the exact centisecond value. >> You mean I should look at the timestamp displayed by Windows? > > Good point. It depends if LanMan stores the Acorn file info on the PC (and > if that information is allowed to persist). It cannot do that over the network. Apart from the file type, which is encoded in the leaf name, all attributes have to be mapped to remote file attributes supported by the file sharing protocol. > You have another slight catch in that the RISC OS desktop may store > some information - in other words what you see on the desktop may not > be what SyncDiscs does. That could only happen if the file date changed on the remote disc while the Filer window was open, which is not very likely in this particular situation. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 6 16:58:47 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EjLn1-3VUknw-02-fS8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:58:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EjLn1-3VUknw-02-fS8; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:14:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EjLn1-3VUknw-02; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:14:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EjLn1-0006dv-HO; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:14:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EjLv6-0004Bz-5r; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:22:41 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EjLle-00038t-R8 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:12:54 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.156] (helo=smtp3.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjLle-00038l-KF for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:12:54 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3204.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 59CF11C00093 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:12:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-4035.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.77.207.195]) by mwinf3204.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 230721C00090 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 20:12:54 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051205191254143.230721C00090@mwinf3204.me.freeserve.com Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:12:38 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing -tiling A2 Message-ID: <1b1da2d44d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <004e01c5f9c7$d2892aa0$a6f5e5d4@mypc2> In-Reply-To: <004e01c5f9c7$d2892aa0$a6f5e5d4@mypc2> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <004e01c5f9c7$d2892aa0$a6f5e5d4@mypc2> you wrote: > >(Sorry if you get this twice - it isn't appearing in my mail!) > > You're posting from a non-subscribed address - that makes the mail bounce to me. > > If you're lucky I spot it - amongst the 10's of bounced emails from "Barclays bank". > > >I have an A2 size draw file which I have dropped into OPro, after > >However when I print it to my HP2550L only 3 pages print with anything > >on, the other six are all 'printed' blank. > This is a Postscript HP printer, isn't it? I'm just thinking around the fact that if I send a Postscript page to my HP5M with data outside the printer's print margins, the page doesn't print. I think nothing comes out at all. Could the tiling be going outside the page area, e.g. your defined paper size is slightly larger than the printer can handle? This might all be a red herring of course... > Doesn't sound right. > > I'd suggest experimenting on SPrinter - just to save paper. > > I'll try out the situation you describe. > > >Can anyone please give me simple guidelines for printing an A2 > >document tiled. > > Yes does it work at all? > > The Tile format has a bit of a chequered past, good idea, but not implemented as well as it could be - e.g. allowing overlaps. Hmm. has Nick Kaijaks done an improved version of it? MIght be worth looking. > > The other worry I have, is that some RISC OS graphics have limited resolution. > > > David Pilling -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 6 16:58:53 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EjOla-1mXGPo-06-tWb."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:58:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EjOla-1mXGPo-06-tWb; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:25:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EjOla-1mXGPo-06; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:25:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EjOla-0007gZ-6I; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:25:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EjNrE-0005zI-8Z; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 21:26:49 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EjOjz-000658-OH for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:23:23 +0000 Received: from [62.241.163.6] (helo=astro.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjOjz-000653-Cs for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:23:23 +0000 Received: from riscpc.ausw57.dsl.pipex.com (81-179-65-73.dsl.pipex.com [81.179.65.73]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F53BE000138 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:23:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing -tiling A2 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: B G Hill X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 22:23:29 GMT Message-ID: <3596b3d44d.berni@ausw57.dsl.pipex.com> References: <1b1da2d44d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1b1da2d44d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <1b1da2d44d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > In message <004e01c5f9c7$d2892aa0$a6f5e5d4@mypc2> you wrote: > >> >(Sorry if you get this twice - it isn't appearing in my mail!) >> >> You're posting from a non-subscribed address - that makes the mail >> bounce to me. >> >> If you're lucky I spot it - amongst the 10's of bounced emails from >> "Barclays bank". >> >> >I have an A2 size draw file which I have dropped into OPro, after >> >However when I print it to my HP2550L only 3 pages print with anything >> >on, the other six are all 'printed' blank. >> > > This is a Postscript HP printer, isn't it? > > I'm just thinking around the fact that if I send a Postscript page to my > HP5M with data outside the printer's print margins, the page doesn't print. > I think nothing comes out at all. > > Could the tiling be going outside the page area, e.g. your defined paper > size is slightly larger than the printer can handle? > > This might all be a red herring of course... > > >> Doesn't sound right. >> >> I'd suggest experimenting on SPrinter - just to save paper. >> >> I'll try out the situation you describe. >> >> >Can anyone please give me simple guidelines for printing an A2 >> >document tiled. >> >> Yes does it work at all? >> >> The Tile format has a bit of a chequered past, good idea, but not >> implemented as well as it could be - e.g. allowing overlaps.. Hmm. has >> Nick Kaijaks done an improved version of it? MIght be worth looking. >> >> The other worry I have, is that some RISC OS graphics have limited >> resolution. >> >> >> David Pilling > When I have printed tiled output I have set the view to show print margins. This shows each tile before it is printed and has allowed me to make sure that if overlaps are needed they come in an appropriate place. For what I do it is sometimes better to print three sheets across when two should be all that is needed. The place for each printed sheet is set by changing the x and y positions. Centred must not be selected of course. It does mean that each sheet is printed separately and takes longer than just sending tiled output. Berni. -- Bernard G Hill Tel: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road, Undy, Caldicot, NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 7 01:37:58 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EjoDV-012GPo-05-1JDm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 01:37:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EjoDV-012GPo-05-1JDm; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:35:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EjoDV-012GPo-05; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:35:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EjoDU-0007CB-QJ; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:35:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EjoSX-0008Ee-H5; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:51:07 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EjoBI-0006mX-SE for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:33:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjoBI-0006mO-J7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:33:16 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EjoBH-000Odk-MP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:33:16 +0000 Message-ID: <59tsT7EcujlDFwrb@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 01:32:12 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs problem References: <5f3812d34d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <004c01c5f9c7$d12f6700$a6f5e5d4@mypc2> <3b6ba1d44d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <3b6ba1d44d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <3b6ba1d44d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner writes >In message <004c01c5f9c7$d12f6700$a6f5e5d4@mypc2> > "David Pilling" wrote: > You cannot easily see whether they are identical because you only see > the time stamp the Filer displays to you, which is in seconds only but > not in centiseconds. Very good point. SyncDiscs has a compare function, that will produce a text file that tells you why it is doing what it is doing. >> Good point. It depends if LanMan stores the Acorn file info on the PC >> (and >> if that information is allowed to persist). > It cannot do that over the network. I usually find an extra file in the destination directory on the PC, and I presume that file (at least) contains file type information. >> You have another slight catch in that the RISC OS desktop may store >> some information - in other words what you see on the desktop may not >> be what SyncDiscs does. > That could only happen if the file date changed on the remote disc > while the Filer window was open, which is not very likely in this I didn't mean what you're saying above. I meant the filers cache information and don't update continuously. There are situations where filers do update. However it is probably not so much the filer, as the file system. Sometimes file systems remember stuff which is not commited to disc. I can think of one example, SparkFS, set type a file in an archive that does not support file types. The file type changes and stays changed until the archive is closed and reopened (nb the archive not the filers) at which point the file type is lost. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 7 02:48:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EjpKP-2yHknw-01-1I6s."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:48:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EjpKP-2yHknw-01-1I6s; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:46:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EjpKP-2yHknw-01; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:46:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EjpKP-0003fq-5p; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:46:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EjpZN-0008PF-35; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 03:02:14 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EjpIW-0007pQ-8a for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:44:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjpIW-0007pL-05 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:44:48 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EjpIV-0003HP-F5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:44:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:43:30 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.76 for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've just uploaded Ovation Pro 2.76 for RISC OS. This contains some useful bug fixes. See the Changes276 file in the archive for details. Alas it does not have all the bug fixes in that I had hoped. This is the URL: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op276.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 7 02:58:02 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EjpON-2cBGPo-05-1I2u."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:58:02 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EjpON-2cBGPo-05-1I2u; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:50:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EjpON-2cBGPo-05; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:50:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EjpOM-00030r-Ty; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:50:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EjpWG-0002W2-Ky; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:59:01 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EjpMa-0008Dn-J3 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:49:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.83] (helo=anchor-fallback-96.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EjpMa-0008Dg-E6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:49:00 +0000 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.85]:3983 "EHLO anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net") by anchor-fallback-96.mail.demon.net with ESMTP id S488744AbVLGCsq (ORCPT ); Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:48:46 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EjpF9-000H0O-Hj for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:41:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 02:46:53 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Heyrick software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, You might be interested in Richard Murray's web site: http://www.heyrick.co.uk In particular OvHTML (Windows and RISC OS) which is a HTML filter, and the latest addition OPMLV (Windows) which is a reader for the mail list archives. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 7 17:07:19 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ek2ju-43bknw-03-1DDt."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 17:07:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ek2ju-43bknw-03-1DDt; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:05:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ek2ju-43bknw-03; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:05:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ek2ju-0001p1-Ge; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:05:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ek1pU-00061i-KC; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:07:42 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek2hd-0001g2-Mv for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:03:37 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.158] (helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek2hc-0001fT-Do for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:03:36 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3016.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 181EFC400089 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:03:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-8182.l2.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.77.191.246]) by mwinf3016.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 955F5C400083 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:03:35 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051207170335611.955F5C400083@mwinf3016.me.freeserve.com Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:02:39 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs problem Message-ID: References: <5f3812d34d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <3b6ba1d44d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <59tsT7EcujlDFwrb@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <59tsT7EcujlDFwrb@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_00_10,HTML_MESSAGE, IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <59tsT7EcujlDFwrb@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In message <3b6ba1d44d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner > writes > >In message <004c01c5f9c7$d12f6700$a6f5e5d4@mypc2> > > "David Pilling" wrote: > > You cannot easily see whether they are identical because you only see > > the time stamp the Filer displays to you, which is in seconds only but > > not in centiseconds. > > Very good point. > > SyncDiscs has a compare function, that will produce a text file that > tells you why it is doing what it is doing. I ran the compare overnight last night. The log is 2.1MBytes. It seems (without reading it all) that almost every file is reported both as an extra object on the primary, and an extra object on the secondary. If I understand correctly (and I probably don't) this isn't a time effect - it would seem more likely that the name of the stored file reported by LanMan98 doesn't quite match the name on the RIC OS disc. LanMan isn't set to notypes, so it is, or should be, adding on save and stripping on retrieve, a ,xxx file type to the files. There are some files reported as newer on secondary, and some newer on primary, but most are the extra objects. A small sample of the log file follows. Compare at 11:49pm 6 Dec 05 Primary ADFS::BigDisc.$ Secondary LanMan98::server.$.SyncBigDisc Extra object on primary - anytime/in Extra object on primary - AppNote240 Extra object on primary - BackupHistory Extra object on primary - cs1800g/cf Extra object on primary - Differentl Extra object on primary - Error/jpg Extra object on primary - Full2GB Extra object on primary - FullSCSI Extra object on primary - FulSyquest Extra object on primary - HEXspec Extra object on primary - Increment Extra object on primary - Register/aspx Extra object on secondary - anytime/in Extra object on secondary - AppNote240 Extra object on secondary - BackupHistory Extra object on secondary - cs1800g/cf Extra object on secondary - Differentl Extra object on secondary - Error/jpg Extra object on secondary - Full2GB Extra object on secondary - FullSCSI Extra object on secondary - FulSyquest Extra object on secondary - HEXspec Extra object on secondary - Increment Extra object on secondary - Register/aspx > > >> Good point. It depends if LanMan stores the Acorn file info on the PC > >> (and > >> if that information is allowed to persist). > > It cannot do that over the network. > > I usually find an extra file in the destination directory on the PC, and > I presume that file (at least) contains file type information. > I did consider your suggestion of creating the zip file directly on the remote file system. At first I thought performance would be bad, then it occurred to me that there are indications that LanMan98 is faster than the ADFS disc, so it might be an improvement. I might give that a try later. I can't see any extra files. This is the listing created on the PC, and the Windows view has the same content, with show hidden files enabled as always. The RISCOS type info is held in the file name, the dates seem to be done with PC dates. I don't know how an undated file would be done. I suspect they will always copy, as they do with HD Companion when doing incremental backups. Volume in drive E is 120GB Volume Serial Number is 136D-11EC Directory of E:\SyncBigDisc 29/11/2005 21:47 . 29/11/2005 21:47 .. 30/09/2005 17:57 !boot 30/09/2005 17:59 !discknght 30/09/2005 17:59 !discknght145 30/09/2005 17:59 !rafs 30/09/2005 17:59 !scrap 05/10/2005 22:22 aaa-test 14/08/2002 20:35 9,923 airhockey.,faf 30/09/2005 17:59 airphoto 30/09/2005 17:59 applets 30/09/2005 17:59 archivemag 13/11/2003 21:08 audiocd 30/09/2005 23:26 bb 01/10/2005 00:08 bbarchive 01/10/2005 00:14 bbcc 01/10/2005 00:14 beta 01/10/2005 00:15 canoeclub 01/10/2005 00:44 cdburn 01/10/2005 00:44 cdfsfix 01/10/2005 00:44 cdimages 19/08/2000 15:28 1,234 colourseps,fff 14/08/2002 20:36 8,498 contact.ht,faf 01/10/2005 00:48 demos 01/10/2005 00:48 disk_utils 29/09/2005 22:42 2,493 do_xcopy.bat,fe4 01/10/2005 00:48 drawgen 01/10/2005 00:48 extrafonts 01/10/2005 00:49 filmscan 01/10/2005 22:39 fixgames 25/11/2005 19:29 freeserve 01/10/2005 23:18 freeware 14/12/2002 16:00 498 fullsup,d51 01/10/2005 23:39 games 01/10/2005 23:47 ghostscript 01/10/2005 23:47 gimpprint 01/10/2005 23:47 grendon 01/10/2005 23:56 gutenberg 01/10/2005 23:56 hhgttg 02/10/2005 11:38 images 02/10/2005 11:40 linux 02/10/2005 11:40 lpr 02/10/2005 11:40 manuals 02/10/2005 11:41 music 17/05/2004 20:24 940 mw-talk.txt 02/06/2004 21:31 1,286 mwatwakefield,fff 02/10/2005 11:41 newsdirbackup 02/10/2005 11:48 ohp 02/10/2005 11:49 oprodocuments 02/10/2005 11:49 oreganokey 05/01/1997 21:18 12,175 packing,d01 02/10/2005 11:49 pd4 02/10/2005 11:49 perl 02/10/2005 11:49 personal 02/10/2005 11:50 photocopy 02/10/2005 11:51 photodesk 02/10/2005 11:51 pilling 02/10/2005 11:51 printing 25/11/2005 19:31 problem!! 02/10/2005 11:51 public 02/10/2005 11:51 rcomp 02/10/2005 11:51 ro-select 02/10/2005 11:52 ro429 02/10/2005 11:57 ro4notes 15/05/2004 12:37 1,558 rol-talk,fff 02/10/2005 11:57 scans 02/10/2005 11:58 scsi 02/10/2005 11:58 select2i3 02/10/2005 11:58 shared 21/09/2005 17:12 728 simon,fff 02/10/2005 12:03 slalomsave 02/10/2005 12:03 sound 02/10/2005 12:04 spool 02/10/2005 12:04 temp 05/07/2004 21:40 1,859 term_dates.txt 02/10/2005 12:04 testprogs 02/10/2005 12:04 topmodel 02/10/2005 12:04 trace 02/10/2005 12:04 tutorials 02/10/2005 12:04 unipod 31/10/2000 23:51 2,014 unplugtbox,ffb 02/10/2005 12:04 video 02/10/2005 12:04 vms 02/10/2005 12:05 web 02/10/2005 12:06 webtutor 29/09/2005 22:44 535 xcopy-create,ffb 29/09/2005 22:15 4,324 zlist,fff 27/03/2002 22:45 6,431 anytime.in,2e1 27/09/2001 20:50 6,446 appnote240,ddc 12/02/2004 07:27 2,492 backuphistory,fff 15/03/2002 19:55 17,993 cs1800g.cf,faf 07/04/2004 17:09 430 differentl,d51 30/06/2005 19:05 17,419 error.jpg 14/12/2002 19:55 243 full2gb,d51 11/02/2004 22:36 323 fullscsi,d51 28/10/2001 23:29 228 fulsyquest,d51 23/04/2005 20:30 24,508 hexspec,adf 19/12/2000 22:33 449 increment,d51 31/10/2004 12:38 4,178 register.aspx,faf 07/12/2005 16:56 0 dirlist.txt 27 File(s) 129,205 bytes 73 Dir(s) 33,385,578,496 bytes free -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 7 18:17:22 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ek3qa-0jGVbs-06-1C7D."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:17:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ek3qa-0jGVbs-06-1C7D; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:16:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ek3qa-0jGVbs-06; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:16:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ek3qZ-00023U-Oy; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:16:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ek45n-0003hX-RH; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:32:41 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek3op-0005cN-QI for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:15:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek3op-0005cH-9j for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:15:07 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ek3oo-000CkQ-MU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:15:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:13:27 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs problem References: <5f3812d34d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <3b6ba1d44d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <59tsT7EcujlDFwrb@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , Alan Adams writes >I ran the compare overnight last night. The log is 2.1MBytes. How about testing things on a folder with half a dozen files in. >It seems (without reading it all) that almost every file is reported both as >an extra object on the primary, and an extra object on the secondary. >If I understand correctly (and I probably don't) this isn't a time effect - Correct. It sounds like a name matching problem. >Extra object on primary - anytime/in >Extra object on secondary - anytime/in Those two names look the same. Unless there are extra characters invisible. I've tried sync'ing some files betwen my Iyonix and Windows. It works. So I wonder what is different about your situation. I can see that if LanMan does not return a directory listing sorted in alphabetic order SyncDiscs will go wrong. This is a common problem when RISC OS software meets Windows/DOS. The problem with that theory is that from the log file the names do appear to be in alpha order. >I did consider your suggestion of creating the zip file directly on the >remote file system. At first I thought performance would be bad, then it >occurred to me that there are indications that LanMan98 is faster than the >ADFS disc, so it might be an improvement. The potential problem is if image file systems get tied in a knot with LanMan98. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 7 18:27:23 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ek3v6-3d3000-05-1KZD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:27:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ek3v6-3d3000-05-1KZD; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:21:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ek3v6-3d3000-05; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:21:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ek3v6-0000mU-Pc; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:21:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ek41S-0007Ie-Fc; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:28:10 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek3sN-0005va-3V for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:18:47 +0000 Received: from [212.74.114.37] (helo=mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek3sM-0005vR-Os for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:18:46 +0000 Received: from 88-105-180-119.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.180.119]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 07 Dec 2005 18:18:40 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CACm1lkOCKYNlAQ Received: from 88-105-180-119.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.180.119]:10079 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ek3pW-000Ljh-Q2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:15:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:19:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro font substitution Message-ID: <4dd5a4e622dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Blaa... I'm fed up and thus grumpy. I have OVPro for RISC OS and also OVPro for Windows, sometimes moving the docs from the RO version to the win version. I'm attempting to understand the Win OVPro Font manager and thus setting up some commonly used font substitutions. I need some help as I'm getting nowhere... RISCOS font is called "Brushscrip" (Yes without the T) the substitute font on the MS-Win machine is "Brussels". Set it up in the Font manager, Saved it. Taken a file from RO to the Win version and opened it, Clicked to substitute... It opens with Arial as the replacement font. ?? Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 7 18:57:23 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ek4L8-2G4Vbs-07-1bCD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:57:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ek4L8-2G4Vbs-07-1bCD; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:48:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ek4L8-2G4Vbs-07; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:48:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ek4L8-0002Le-3N; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:48:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ek3Qn-0007id-Pe; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 17:50:19 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek4JW-0003G4-Hd for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:46:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek4JW-0003Fy-84 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:46:50 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ek4JV-000AEo-3A for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 18:46:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 18:45:38 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro font substitution References: <4dd5a4e622dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4dd5a4e622dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >RISCOS font is called "Brushscrip" (Yes without the T) the substitute font >on the MS-Win machine is "Brussels". >Set it up in the Font manager, Saved it. >Taken a file from RO to the Win version and opened it, Clicked to >substitute... It opens with Arial as the replacement font. I must stop saying this, I've set up a document using the font on RISC OS (I actually have Brushscrip) moved it to Windows, set up the font manager, and... it works for me. You can save the bit between the cut marks below as test.csc double click it and then try to load your document. You might want to change the name "Blippo" just what I had to hand. Once run the settings will appear in your OPW font manager window and can be saved. ------------------8<------------------- void main(void) { fontreplace("Blippo Light SF","Brushscrip",0); fontreplacestate(1); forcefontschange(); } ------------------8<-------------------- -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 7 21:47:32 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ek76p-1zzknw-03-rnw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 21:47:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ek76p-1zzknw-03-rnw; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:45:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ek76p-1zzknw-03; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:45:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ek76o-0000TP-TC; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:45:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ek7DC-0002zl-I1; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:52:30 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek754-00052S-Fj for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:44:06 +0000 Received: from [212.74.114.32] (helo=mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek754-00052N-80 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:44:06 +0000 Received: from 88-105-176-86.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.176.86]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 07 Dec 2005 21:44:00 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAGHmlkOCKYNjAQ Received: from 88-105-176-86.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.176.86]:10019 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ek74y-0006fK-2Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:44:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:44:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OvPro font substitution Message-ID: <4dd5b7b33ddfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4dd5a4e622dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >RISCOS font is called "Brushscrip" (Yes without the T) the substitute font > >on the MS-Win machine is "Brussels". > >Set it up in the Font manager, Saved it. > >Taken a file from RO to the Win version and opened it, Clicked to > >substitute... It opens with Arial as the replacement font. > I must stop saying this, I've set up a document using the font on RISC > OS (I actually have Brushscrip) moved it to Windows, set up the font > manager, and... it works for me. > You can save the bit between the cut marks below as > test.csc > double click it and then try to load your document. You might want to > change the name "Blippo" just what I had to hand. Once run the settings > will appear in your OPW font manager window and can be saved. > ------------------8<------------------- > void main(void) > { > fontreplace("Blippo Light SF","Brushscrip",0); > fontreplacestate(1); > forcefontschange(); > } > ------------------8<-------------------- Thanks, that seems to work, but I remain confused... If there's a Font manager with a config window, why the need to run a bit 'o script? Next question is... How do I do that in reverse. Create an OVPro doc in the MS-Windows version then transfer it to the RO version, then get the font substituted from Brussels back to Brushscrip? Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 7 22:17:34 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ek7XI-4eO000-06-18QV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:17:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ek7XI-4eO000-06-18QV; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:13:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ek7XI-4eO000-06; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:13:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ek7XI-0002Sd-5v; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:13:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ek6U9-0002JZ-6u; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 21:05:58 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek7VR-0007eB-B3 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:11:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ek7VQ-0007du-Vw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:11:21 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ek7VQ-000IGU-C0 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 07 Dec 2005 22:11:20 +0000 Message-ID: <8L7N+KFG31lDFwo2@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:10:14 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OvPro font substitution References: <4dd5a4e622dfs@ukgateway.net> <4dd5b7b33ddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4dd5b7b33ddfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Thanks, that seems to work, but I remain confused... >If there's a Font manager with a config window, why the need to run a bit >'o script? The settings you type into the font manager are saved as script files (so are many other things). Perhaps that makes you a programmer, since when you click on Save, you're writing a program. You could search around Windows and find the font manager settings saved as a script file. There's even a button "Save As..." which lets you save the script file for your own use. That would allow you to swop your font settings with someone else. >Next question is... How do I do that in reverse. >Create an OVPro doc in the MS-Windows version then transfer it to the RO >version, then get the font substituted from Brussels back to Brushscrip? By using font mapping rather than replacement. It says somewhere if you're taking a document on a one way trip to Windows, then use font replace. If you want to maintain compatibility with RISC OS use font mapping. The program comes with plenty of font maps set up e.g. for Homerton to Arial. Font mapping works by keeping the name "Brushscrip" in the document but using "Brussels" on Windows. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 8 13:16:58 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkDAf-1ac000-06-12n8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:16:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkDAf-1ac000-06-12n8; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:14:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkDAf-1ac000-06; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:14:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkDAf-0002vg-IZ; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:14:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkC7W-0001L0-F3; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 03:06:59 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkD8r-0005XU-FX for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:12:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkD8r-0005XP-6d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:12:25 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EkD8q-000Ldl-Fh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:12:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 04:11:11 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] TranTIFF+ enhanced TIFF loading for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, There's been discussion recently about the shortcomings of TIFF loading on RISC OS. I've taken the TIFF loader from Ovation Pro for Windows and turned it into a Transloader for RISC OS. It is available from: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/trantiff.zip Transloaders can be used with Ovation, Ovation Pro, Impression and ArtWorks. Unlike TransFSI supplied with Ovation Pro, this new loader can handle CMYK TIFFs. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 8 13:17:09 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkHtO-0MaGPo-01-1F7R."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:17:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkHtO-0MaGPo-01-1F7R; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:16:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkHtO-0MaGPo-01; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:16:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkHtO-0003ix-K9; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:16:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkI14-0001dT-0N; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:24:43 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkHr7-0002Mz-Vf for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:14:26 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.171] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkHr7-0002Mn-GR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 09:14:25 +0000 Received: from [62.180.25.15] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1EkHr60o03-0002vX; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:14:25 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] TranTIFF+ enhanced TIFF loading for RISC OS To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b8 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:14:48 +0100 Message-ID: <4ee3f6d54d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > There's been discussion recently about the shortcomings of TIFF loading > on RISC OS. I've taken the TIFF loader from Ovation Pro for Windows and > turned it into a Transloader for RISC OS. It is available from: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/trantiff.zip > > Transloaders can be used with Ovation, Ovation Pro, Impression and > ArtWorks. > > Unlike TransFSI supplied with Ovation Pro, this new loader can handle > CMYK TIFFs. Great! Works a treat. Many thanks! Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 8 13:17:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkJt1-09XVbs-08-14bI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 13:17:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkJt1-09XVbs-08-14bI; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:24:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkJt1-09XVbs-08; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:24:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkJt1-0006J1-1C; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:24:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkK0d-0000UF-Ab; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:32:24 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkJrF-0000Ch-Tf for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:22:41 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.133] (helo=pih-relay06.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkJrF-0000CZ-I0 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:22:41 +0000 Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EkJrA-0008Co-Lo for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:22:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:20:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TranTIFF+ enhanced TIFF loading for RISC OS Message-ID: <4dd6025f1fevan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > There's been discussion recently about the shortcomings of TIFF > loading on RISC OS. I've taken the TIFF loader from Ovation Pro > for Windows and turned it into a Transloader for RISC OS. It is > available from: > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/trantiff.zip > Transloaders can be used with Ovation, Ovation Pro, Impression and > ArtWorks. > Unlike TransFSI supplied with Ovation Pro, this new loader can > handle CMYK TIFFs. That is most welcome. Many thanks. Your continued support for RISC OS is much appreciated. Thanks again, Evan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 8 18:37:10 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkQa4-3oEknw-08-16Ql."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:37:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkQa4-3oEknw-08-16Ql; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:33:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkQa4-3oEknw-08; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:33:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkQa3-0007Gt-Vn; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:33:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkQgV-0002D6-0r; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:40:03 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkQY2-0003oG-SS for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:31:18 +0000 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkQY1-0003nl-TR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:31:18 +0000 Received: from barryix (i-83-67-106-112.freedom2surf.net [83.67.106.112]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jB8IVHch014188 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:31:17 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:31:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] !DPlingscan error when saving PNG version 1.23. Message-ID: <4dd629e05dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I can save a PNG OK with version 1.22 With version 1.23 I get "!DPingscan may have gone wrong" I click on 'describe' and the message gives 'ofla,ofla,ofla,ofla,ofla,' etc or something similar. -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 8 18:47:12 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkQiR-2Qeknw-01-xls."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:47:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkQiR-2Qeknw-01-xls; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:42:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkQiR-2Qeknw-01; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:42:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkQiR-0002Gm-05; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:42:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkQq0-0004WH-HM; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:49:53 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkQgh-0006qr-77 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:40:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkQgg-0006qa-5C for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:40:14 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EkQgf-000GBE-Ly for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:40:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:38:40 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows CD 1.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've updated the Ovation Pro for Windows CD. See: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/changes.html Pride of place goes to two articles written by Tony Cropper on the art of colour management, contained in a new tutorials section of the CD: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/tutorials.html Recent versions of OPW and DPScan have incorporated colour management. These articles may help you understand how to use it. My recent advances in CMYK TIFFs appear in the filter pack and a new DPScan. Multiple processor support in DPScan also arrives. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 8 18:47:13 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkQnC-2EDGPo-05-1Ek9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:47:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkQnC-2EDGPo-05-1Ek9; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:46:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkQnC-2EDGPo-05; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:46:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkQnC-0000VK-Ao; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:46:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkR2J-0007Te-Qq; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:02:37 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkQlG-0007aN-90 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:44:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkQlG-0007aG-2x for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:44:58 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EkQlF-000PGJ-8n for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:44:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:43:38 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !DPlingscan error when saving PNG version 1.23. References: <4dd629e05dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dd629e05dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >With version 1.23 I get "!DPingscan may have gone wrong" I click on >'describe' and the message gives 'ofla,ofla,ofla,ofla,ofla,' etc or >something similar. I hate that error message. Try increasing the wimp slot, in !Run. I have a hazy memory that there is a fundamental problem with PNG handling, and the only solution I could find was to set a big wimp slot... and a couple of days ago I thought to myself the wimp slot seemed rather large and changed it back. Sorry about that, I'll have to put it back. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 8 19:17:12 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkR8D-2K8knw-07-1EP8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:17:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkR8D-2K8knw-07-1EP8; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:08:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkR8D-2K8knw-07; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:08:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkR8D-0000em-Lj; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:08:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkREf-00086n-Fd; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:15:21 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkR6X-0002E8-Hs for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:06:57 +0000 Received: from [62.241.163.7] (helo=blaster.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkR6X-0002E0-8D for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:06:57 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.dsl.pipex.com (81-178-116-154.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.116.154]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13808E00023C for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:06:56 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:05:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro 2.76 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4dd6277f8arkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I've just uploaded Ovation Pro 2.76 for RISC OS. > This contains some useful bug fixes. See the Changes276 file in the > archive for details. "A sprite which does not have 90x90 dpi resolution displays the wrong size when image processing is active. Fixed." Bless you, kind sir. Regards, Richard Partridge. -- Richard Partridge rkp@par.me.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 8 19:47:14 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkRcX-12mVbs-01-XIE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:47:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkRcX-12mVbs-01-XIE; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:40:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkRcX-12mVbs-01; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:40:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkRcW-0005mr-Mp; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:40:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkRrl-0005kG-Ju; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:55:47 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkRat-0000hY-Nv for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:38:19 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkRat-0000hT-Bz for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:38:19 +0000 Received: from du-003-0176.freeuk.com ([212.126.145.176] helo=helvellyn) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EkRas-000Mmv-7m for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:38:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:35:25 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-ID: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Subject: [softwarelist] 'Missing' styles in OP (RO) X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I've got an odd problem with O-Pro for RISC OS. I vaguely recall seeing it, or reading about it, before, bit I can't find a reference at present. Using the DDF importer, I'm importing a block of text with styles in it. The names match a group of pre-defined styles in the document, so importing the text should just pick up the original styles. This seems to work. However... Where the styles are just the application of bold or italic to the base font, these don't show up. The style palette shows that the style is applied, but the 'B' or 'I' flags in the toolbar remain unset when the caret is in the text. Applying changes like font colour works. The problem is present whether I select the 'Bold' or 'Italic' options in the style dialogues, or use the font menu to select the bold or italic variants. Changing to a new font face works as expected. A copy of the document and the original DDF file is at http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/temp/styles.zip if anyone wants to have a look. Styles like Icon and Menu are good examples. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 8 20:07:15 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkRuZ-1u0Vbs-02-1M9I."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:07:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkRuZ-1u0Vbs-02-1M9I; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:58:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkRuZ-1u0Vbs-02; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:58:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkRuY-0004nM-Qi; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:58:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkS2C-0007Z0-U1; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:06:34 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkRst-0002oY-AL for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:56:55 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkRss-0002oO-Tt for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:56:54 +0000 Received: from adsl-164-121.freeuk.com ([80.168.164.121] helo=HOBBIT.rogerarm.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EkRss-000NPv-8O for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:56:54 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] !Trace 2.13 and full colour sprites To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Roger Darlington X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:56:49 GMT Message-ID: X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) When !Trace (2.13) is presented with a sprite containing only about 6 colours (from a possible 24 bit colour space - i.e. a 16M colour sprite) then it fails to generate a DrawFile that looks anything like the original at all. In fact, it could hardly have got it more wrong... Attached is said sprite for conversion, and the drawfile produced. [Deleted, because the e-mail didn't get through.] -- Cheers Roger Bury Walkers http://burywalkers.members.beeb.net/ Atomic Software http://rogerdarlington.members.beeb.net/ Summer Winers http://rogerarm.freeuk.com/rogerarm/ "I suspect everyone, and yet, I suspect no-one" Inspector Cleuseau -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 8 20:07:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkRzM-4GcVbs-08-1Ub1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:07:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkRzM-4GcVbs-08-1Ub1; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:03:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkRzM-4GcVbs-08; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:03:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkRzM-00074z-Nc; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:03:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkS5q-0006Xh-ET; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:10:18 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkRxy-0003OE-EY for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:02:10 +0000 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkRxy-0003O7-4L for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:02:10 +0000 Received: from barryix (i-83-67-106-112.freedom2surf.net [83.67.106.112]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jB8K29ch009986 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:02:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:58:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: !DPlingscan error when saving PNG version 1.23. Message-ID: <4dd631cfbfbarry@e-allen.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4dd629e05dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >With version 1.23 I get "!DPingscan may have gone wrong" I click on > >'describe' and the message gives 'ofla,ofla,ofla,ofla,ofla,' etc or > >something similar. > I hate that error message. > Try increasing the wimp slot, in !Run. Yep, that's fixed it. Thanks. In 1.22 it was 832K and in 1.23 it was 832K so I've made it 1832K. At the moment I've got 477MB spare so I can't see a problem. -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 8 20:17:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkSAP-3F3Vbs-01-WkM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:17:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkSAP-3F3Vbs-01-WkM; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:15:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkSAP-3F3Vbs-01; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:15:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkSAP-0000n4-EA; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:15:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkSI5-0000eu-65; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:22:58 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkS8p-0004R8-E1 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:13:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkS8p-0004R2-69 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:13:23 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EkS8o-000Hdu-Fb for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:13:23 +0000 Message-ID: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:12:18 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] 'Missing' styles in OP (RO) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Where the styles are just the application of bold or italic to the base >font, these don't show up. The style palette shows that the style is >applied, but the 'B' or 'I' flags in the toolbar remain unset when the Well it is a facet of the DDF loader, currently it is converting {italic off} into {italic 0} rather than {italic}. I'm using italic as an example, the same applies to bold. There are three states of text effects. You can have italics, not italics, or no change to italics. At the moment it is saying "not italics", i.e. applying a local effect of not italics which overrides any italics supplied by styles. I have to discover if Impression supports three states of effects and if so how DDF denotes them. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 8 20:27:16 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkSDB-3GhVbs-02-fE6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:27:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkSDB-3GhVbs-02-fE6; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:17:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkSDB-3GhVbs-02; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:17:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkSDA-0006E0-Vp; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:17:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkRIo-00049v-TX; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:19:39 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkSBR-0004hU-9l for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:16:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkSBR-0004hP-4v for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:16:05 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EkSBQ-000HxA-FV for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:16:05 +0000 Message-ID: <63UMBNH2QJmDFwSK@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:14:46 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] !Trace 2.13 and full colour sprites References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >When !Trace (2.13) is presented with a sprite containing only about 6 >colours (from a possible 24 bit colour space - i.e. a 16M colour >sprite) then it fails to generate a DrawFile that looks anything like >the original at all. In fact, it could hardly have got it more >wrong... I'm surprised it attempted to trace it. There's no intention to Trace deep sprites. What you should do is load them into DPScan and convert to 8 bits per pixel or less. e.g. use the format window and optimal palette. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 8 22:17:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkU3t-41R000-01-1SWU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:17:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkU3t-41R000-01-1SWU; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:16:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkU3t-41R000-01; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:16:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkU3t-0004qN-P8; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:16:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkT9S-0008La-Kr; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:18:07 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkU2J-0007IL-VW for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:14:47 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkU2J-0007IG-Ml for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:14:47 +0000 Received: from du-002-0170.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.170] helo=helvellyn) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EkU2I-0003bK-8c for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:14:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:14:17 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] 'Missing' styles in OP (RO) Message-ID: <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 8 Dec, David Pilling wrote in message <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk>: > > Where the styles are just the application of bold or italic to the > > base font, these don't show up. The style palette shows that the > > style is applied, but the 'B' or 'I' flags in the toolbar remain unset > > when the > > Well it is a facet of the DDF loader, currently it is converting {italic > off} into {italic 0} rather than {italic}. I'm using italic as an > example, the same applies to bold. > > There are three states of text effects. You can have italics, not > italics, or no change to italics. > > At the moment it is saying "not italics", i.e. applying a local effect > of not italics which overrides any italics supplied by styles. I don't see that: the problem is in named styles, which are pre-defined in the Ovation document. All the DDF contains is {"Style" on} and {"Style" off}. The styles are applied, as they show in the style palette when the caret is in the relevant text, and the bold/italic flags are ticked in the definition, but the effects don't end up on the page. The DDF bit may be a red herring; I included it in case the process was messing things up. The styles worked OK before, when I typed text into the same document manually. > I have to discover if Impression supports three states of effects and if > so how DDF denotes them. {italic}, {italic on} and {italic off}, isn't it? -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 8 22:37:22 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkUHE-4TOVbs-05-1SJ9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:37:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkUHE-4TOVbs-05-1SJ9; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:30:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkUHE-4TOVbs-05; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:30:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkUHD-0004Ql-Sl; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:30:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkUNd-0006u8-2c; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:36:49 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkUFT-0000l2-EN for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:28:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkUFT-0000ku-5Q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:28:23 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EkU8n-0001Fp-GF for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:21:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:27:17 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] 'Missing' styles in OP (RO) References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I don't see that: the problem is in named styles, which are pre-defined in Suppose you have this: {italic 1} some italic text {italic 0} more text {style1} yet more text... style1 applies italics. However it has no effect, because the preceding {italic 0} has turned off italics for all time after it. The bit "more text" above might be pages of text. >The DDF bit may be a red herring; I included it in case the process was >messing things up. The styles worked OK before, when I typed text into >the same document manually. Mark problem text, use Style->remove local effects, then it will work. >{italic}, {italic on} and {italic off}, isn't it? Hmm. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 8 22:47:23 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkUPI-3t8000-07-lYV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:47:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkUPI-3t8000-07-lYV; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:38:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkUPI-3t8000-07; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:38:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkUPI-0004Xq-Np; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:38:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkUeP-0000iN-Gg; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:54:11 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkUNl-0004Vp-M1 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:36:57 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkUNl-0004VW-5f for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:36:57 +0000 Received: from richardbrock.plus.com ([84.92.57.121] helo=RISCOS) by relay.freeuk.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EkUNk-0004ai-9A for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:36:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:36:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Toolbar settings for Win OvnPro Message-ID: <4dd640497abadger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: rb02 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi I recently had to do a complete Windows XP re-install on my desktop PC... (I know, I know)... and in the process lost my OvnPro toolbar settings. I have another copy of OvnPro on a laptop PC. Can I copy the toolbar settings from there and if so how? Thanks Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 8 23:07:24 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkUjC-0V2knw-07-1JKf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 23:07:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkUjC-0V2knw-07-1JKf; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:59:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkUjC-0V2knw-07; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:59:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkUjC-0007Av-70; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:59:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkUyI-0002W3-Jy; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:14:44 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkUhZ-0007q0-Q4 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:57:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkUhZ-0007pt-He for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:57:25 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EkUhZ-0007kP-0M for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:57:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:55:57 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Toolbar settings for Win OvnPro References: <4dd640497abadger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <4dd640497abadger.sett@freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I recently had to do a complete Windows XP re-install on my desktop PC... >(I know, I know)... and in the process lost my OvnPro toolbar settings. I >have another copy of OvnPro on a laptop PC. Can I copy the toolbar >settings from there and if so how? Toolbar settings? Depends just what you mean. However probably what you want is your equivalent of the folder: C:\Documents and Settings\David Pilling\Application Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro It is the contents of that folder that personalise OPW. The first David Pilling in the above will be replaced with your user name e.g. Administrator. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 8 23:37:25 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkVFz-1MwVbs-08-1Ins."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 23:37:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkVFz-1MwVbs-08-1Ins; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:32:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkVFz-1MwVbs-08; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:32:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkVFz-0005I1-1C; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:32:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkVMU-0004Sf-UM; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:39:43 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkVEF-0005K2-De for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:31:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkVEF-0005Jt-0s for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:31:11 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EkV7Y-000ADT-IU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:24:17 +0000 Message-ID: <8RxtYIKgHMmDFwhg@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 23:29:36 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] 'Missing' styles in OP (RO) References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>{italic}, {italic on} and {italic off}, isn't it? >Hmm. My experiments tend to show that {bold} and {bold off} are the same thing as far as Impression is concerned. I've tweeked the filter, try: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/ddfx.zip Problem is it starts to look like the way the filter works for effects is totally wrong - I've just changed bold/italic, but there are others. Did no one notice for 8 years... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 8 23:57:27 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkVZq-3l5knw-07-1IU1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 8 Dec 2005 23:57:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkVZq-3l5knw-07-1IU1; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:53:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkVZq-3l5knw-07; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:53:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkVZq-0007Rj-1V; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:53:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkVp1-0000ZV-R9; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:09:13 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkVY1-00019h-Ko for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:51:37 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.158] (helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkVY1-00019Z-Bt for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:51:37 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3003.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EE0C11C002E5 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 00:51:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-5021.l1.c6.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.66.147.157]) by mwinf3003.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id A7D961C002EA for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 00:51:36 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051208235136687.A7D961C002EA@mwinf3003.me.freeserve.com Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:50:42 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs problem Message-ID: <3d1447d64d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <5f3812d34d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <3b6ba1d44d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <59tsT7EcujlDFwrb@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > In message , Alan > Adams writes > >I ran the compare overnight last night. The log is 2.1MBytes. > > How about testing things on a folder with half a dozen files in. I've done some tests with various smaller directories, and can't reproduce the problem. I'm wondering whether the problems come from the fact that I had to stop the first copy (with alt-break). The duplication started when I re-ran the copy. I also notice that the directory date-stamps on the secondary are a lot newer than the originals, whereas in the test copies the datestamps are correct. > > >It seems (without reading it all) that almost every file is reported both as > >an extra object on the primary, and an extra object on the secondary. > >If I understand correctly (and I probably don't) this isn't a time effect - > > Correct. It sounds like a name matching problem. > > >Extra object on primary - anytime/in > >Extra object on secondary - anytime/in > > Those two names look the same. Unless there are extra characters > invisible. > > I've tried sync'ing some files betwen my Iyonix and Windows. It works. > So I wonder what is different about your situation. > > I can see that if LanMan does not return a directory listing sorted in > alphabetic order SyncDiscs will go wrong. This is a common problem when > RISC OS software meets Windows/DOS. The problem with that theory is that > from the log file the names do appear to be in alpha order. > This led me to try the copy with file sorting order set to date, as I normally have it. (I had noticed that drag-and-drop files return in the displayed sort order.) This didn't cause a problem. > > >I did consider your suggestion of creating the zip file directly on the > >remote file system. At first I thought performance would be bad, then it > >occurred to me that there are indications that LanMan98 is faster than the > >ADFS disc, so it might be an improvement. > > The potential problem is if image file systems get tied in a knot with > LanMan98. I'm going to have to think through how I want this to work. Ultimately I want the secondary system to have all the data, and a subset on the RPC and the VRPC laptop, which have smaller discs. However I would like to set up a routine backup of the stuff I'm working on, on the RPC in particular. Whichever approach I end up with, the performance of the RPC discs will be the bottleneck. The PC says it's using 5% of the network bandwidth, or 5MBit/sec, 500KBytes/sec, 1800GB/hour. Measured over long copies, I get 1GByte/hour. Is this really the performance of a modern disc on the motherboard interface? Thanks for the help. Alan -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 9 00:17:28 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkVqf-00JVbs-07-1Qji."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 00:17:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkVqf-00JVbs-07-1Qji; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:10:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkVqf-00JVbs-07; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:10:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkVqe-0000a5-S9; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:10:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkVx4-0002NM-QX; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:17:31 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkVot-0002sh-WB for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:09:04 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkVot-0002sc-N7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:09:03 +0000 Received: from richardbrock.plus.com ([84.92.57.121] helo=RISCOS) by relay.freeuk.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EkVot-00083R-7n for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:09:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Brock To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:09:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Toolbar settings for Win OvnPro Message-ID: <4dd648cd0bbadger.sett@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4dd640497abadger.sett@freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Clara-Relay: Message sent using Claranet Relay Service using auth code: rb02 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I recently had to do a complete Windows XP re-install on my desktop > >PC... (I know, I know)... and in the process lost my OvnPro toolbar > >settings. I have another copy of OvnPro on a laptop PC. Can I copy the > >toolbar settings from there and if so how? > Toolbar settings? Depends just what you mean. However probably what you > want is your equivalent of the folder: > C:\Documents and Settings\David Pilling\Application > Data\DavidPilling\OvationPro > It is the contents of that folder that personalise OPW. The first David > Pilling in the above will be replaced with your user name e.g. > Administrator. Thank you David - exactly what I meant - all my buttons safely restored! Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 9 13:41:19 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkZ72-4LS000-04-16QJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:41:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkZ72-4LS000-04-16QJ; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:40:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkZ72-4LS000-04; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:40:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkZ72-0004xr-3O; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:40:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkZMG-0005RP-JE; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:55:46 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkZ5H-00060D-N7 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:38:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkZ5H-0005zr-Dg for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:38:11 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EkZ5G-000Jou-MV for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 03:38:11 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 03:36:37 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] SyncDiscs problem References: <5f3812d34d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <3b6ba1d44d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <59tsT7EcujlDFwrb@pilling.demon.co.uk> <3d1447d64d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3d1447d64d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've done some tests with various smaller directories, and can't reproduce >the problem. Hmm. Could be a bug in SyncDiscs, like running out of memory. > I'm wondering whether the problems come from the fact that I >had to stop the first copy (with alt-break). The duplication started when I >re-ran the copy. Hmm. (again) if you copy to virgin file system space Windows will usually get the files in alpha order. >This led me to try the copy with file sorting order set to date, as I >normally have it. (I had noticed that drag-and-drop files return in the The sort order set in filers only affects them. >I'm going to have to think through how I want this to work. Ultimately I >want the secondary system to have all the data, and a subset on the RPC and I wonder how others have tackled the problem? There is another (free) program for RISC OS "SyncDir" or something like that, maybe that would work. >Is this really the performance of a modern disc on the motherboard interface? My impression is that the disc/memory on a RISC PC are a lot slower than on a modern PC. Other variables, how big the files are, how fast the network interface is come into play. If you're going to automate the task, e.g. by calling sync discs from an exec or obey file, then presumably there would be no problem in doing the task in a number of chunks. In other words instead of sync'ing the whole disc, sync the top level folders. One of the advantages of sync'ing files is that you only copy what has changed. That should make backups after the first one a lot quicker. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 9 13:41:25 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ekesg-1usGPo-06-10ef."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:41:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ekesg-1usGPo-06-10ef; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:49:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ekesg-1usGPo-06; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:49:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ekesf-0003ae-V1; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:49:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ekf06-0002ro-Pm; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:57:15 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ekeqc-0000mL-VR for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:47:27 +0000 Received: from [62.241.162.31] (helo=galaxy.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ekeqc-0000m7-Fr for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:47:26 +0000 Received: from RiscPC (81-178-250-103.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.250.103]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32757E000360 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:47:25 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 07:56:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] 'Missing' styles in OP (RO) Message-ID: <4dd6739313steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <8RxtYIKgHMmDFwhg@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <8RxtYIKgHMmDFwhg@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 08 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > >>{italic}, {italic on} and {italic off}, isn't it? > >Hmm. > My experiments tend to show that {bold} and {bold off} are the same > thing as far as Impression is concerned. > I've tweeked the filter, try: > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/ddfx.zip > Problem is it starts to look like the way the filter works for effects > is totally wrong - I've just changed bold/italic, but there are others. > Did no one notice for 8 years... When I used Impression I avoided effects[1]. Translating Impression documents to OvPro was thus rather painless. It's rather like the recent bug in AntiSpam which triggered only when there were stupidly large numbers of header lines (one repeated 824 times counts as STUPID) While AS was at fault for not dealing with things correctly the sending software was at fault for creating that large a header. [1] I quite like the Robin Williams book on DTP and always tried to adhere to the principles. -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 9 13:41:28 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EkfKf-13R000-07-10Cg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:41:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EkfKf-13R000-07-10Cg; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:18:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EkfKf-13R000-07; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:18:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EkfKf-000260-9M; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:18:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkfRD-0007iQ-8s; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:25:15 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EkfJB-0004tn-PZ for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:16:57 +0000 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EkfJB-0004tg-Gu for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:16:57 +0000 Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jB9AGuch011693 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 10:16:57 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:15:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: 'Missing' styles in OP (RO) Message-ID: <4dd680524fbric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,HOT_NASTY,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > I have to discover if Impression supports three states of > effects and if so how DDF denotes them. As far as I can tell, No. {xxx on} and {xxx} are what ends up in the file when the button bar or Ctrl-B key is used. However, {xxx off} has the same effect as {xxx}. [xxx} = {bold} or {Italic} Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 9 20:51:34 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ekp8A-0xEGPo-08-17SD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 9 Dec 2005 20:51:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ekp8A-0xEGPo-08-17SD; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:46:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ekp8A-0xEGPo-08; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:46:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ekp8A-0007lb-LV; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:46:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkpEj-0007Vr-LX; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:53:02 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ekp5b-0001cY-3F for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:43:35 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ekp5a-0001cK-Jl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:43:34 +0000 Received: from du-002-0194.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.194] helo=helvellyn) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ekp5Y-000Oyh-9D for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 20:43:34 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:57:46 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] 'Missing' styles in OP (RO) Message-ID: <8e3b42d64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 8 Dec, David Pilling wrote in message : > > I don't see that: the problem is in named styles, which are > > pre-defined in > > Suppose you have this: > > {italic 1} some italic text {italic 0} more text {style1} yet more > text... > > style1 applies italics. However it has no effect, because the preceding > {italic 0} has turned off italics for all time after it. The bit "more > text" above might be pages of text. Ah, I see; thanks. The solution seems to be to re-define the originating 'styles' that used italic and bold effects so that they use new O-Pro styles instead. It's probably a more correct way of doing things, anyway. > > The DDF bit may be a red herring; I included it in case the process > > was messing things up. The styles worked OK before, when I typed text > > into the same document manually. > > Mark problem text, use Style->remove local effects, then it will work. They do. > >{italic}, {italic on} and {italic off}, isn't it? > > Hmm. Ignore that: I'd not spotted that {italic 0} was more severe than DDF's {italic off}. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 10 03:21:53 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ekv9d-3y2000-05-1R0I."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 03:21:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ekv9d-3y2000-05-1R0I; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 03:12:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ekv9d-3y2000-05; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 03:12:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ekv9d-0002td-El; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 03:12:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EkuFG-0004Mi-Vr; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 02:13:56 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ekv7P-0001ku-Aw for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 03:09:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ekv7O-0001kY-Vf for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 03:09:51 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ekv7O-0003vs-87 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 03:09:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 03:08:14 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] 'Missing' styles in OP (RO) References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <8e3b42d64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <8e3b42d64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Ignore that: I'd not spotted that {italic 0} was more severe than DDF's >{italic off}. One question, looking at things again, Impression seems to output {bold} and that presumably explains why no one has complained up until now. Your file has {bold off}, so where did it come from? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 10 13:53:50 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1El1Pq-1J5Vbs-02-1CDZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:53:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1El1Pq-1J5Vbs-02-1CDZ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:53:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1El1Pq-1J5Vbs-02; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:53:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1El1Pq-0001oA-EL; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:53:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1El0VO-00023A-A0; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:54:59 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1El1O2-0008Dx-E9 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:51:26 +0000 Received: from [62.241.163.7] (helo=blaster.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1El1O2-0008Dr-5E for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:51:26 +0000 Received: from RiscPC (81-178-250-103.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.250.103]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0404E000117 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:51:25 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 09:11:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] 'Missing' styles in OP (RO) Message-ID: <4dd6fe3d69steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <8e3b42d64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/2.05-a1 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 10 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > >Ignore that: I'd not spotted that {italic 0} was more severe than DDF's > >{italic off}. > One question, looking at things again, Impression seems to output {bold} > and that presumably explains why no one has complained up until now. > Your file has {bold off}, so where did it come from? Scripted output from another application perhaps? Organizer outputs DDF (under the label of Impression format) which includes {italic on} {italic off} and {bold on} {bold off} -- Steve Pampling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 10 13:53:52 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1El2im-1X4knw-05-1Aud."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:53:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1El2im-1X4knw-05-1Aud; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:16:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1El2im-1X4knw-05; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:16:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1El2im-0005OJ-84; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:16:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1El1oN-0001dU-DE; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:18:40 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1El2hD-0007Du-FO for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:15:19 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1El2hD-0007Dn-9W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:15:19 +0000 Received: from du-002-0159.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.159] helo=helvellyn) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1El2hC-000KHH-89 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:15:19 +0000 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:35:51 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] 'Missing' styles in OP (RO) Message-ID: <07fb05d74d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <8e3b42d64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 10 Dec, David Pilling wrote in message : > >Ignore that: I'd not spotted that {italic 0} was more severe than DDF's > >{italic off}. > > One question, looking at things again, Impression seems to output {bold} > and that presumably explains why no one has complained up until now. > Your file has {bold off}, so where did it come from? >From a Perl script. I write application documentation using a 'markup language', and convert it to text, StrongHelp and HTML formats as required. I've recently had a need to get the same documents into Ovation Pro, so DDF seemed the sensible way to go as it gave Impression compatibility 'for free'. Not having used Impression in years, I've no real idea what it produces DDF-wise. I'm just working from a copy of the DDF spec that I acquired from somewhere. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 10 13:53:52 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1El2jD-3QUVbs-07-1RxE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:53:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1El2jD-3QUVbs-07-1RxE; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:17:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1El2jD-3QUVbs-07; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:17:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1El2jD-0005tT-PL; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:17:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1El1fp-0000jT-0n; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:09:49 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1El2hC-0007Dd-L3 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:15:18 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1El2hC-0007DP-6z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:15:18 +0000 Received: from du-002-0159.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.159] helo=helvellyn) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1El2hB-000KHH-7V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:15:18 +0000 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:40:33 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] 'Missing' styles in OP (RO) Message-ID: <206906d74d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <8RxtYIKgHMmDFwhg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4dd6739313steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4dd6739313steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 9 Dec, Steven Pampling wrote in message <4dd6739313steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com>: > On 08 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > Problem is it starts to look like the way the filter works for effects > > is totally wrong - I've just changed bold/italic, but there are > > others. Did no one notice for 8 years... > > When I used Impression I avoided effects[1]. Translating Impression > documents to OvPro was thus rather painless. So did I... :-) The DDF here is coming from a markup language used for application documentation. The original tags are therefore in effect 'styles' anyway; I just decided to represent those that would only be bold or italic as effects (to save time!) when converting them, as the Ovation copy is never edited by hand. Having changed to use all styles, it seems to work OK. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 10 13:53:52 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1El2jN-1YXknw-05-1Au2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:53:52 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1El2jN-1YXknw-05-1Au2; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:17:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1El2jN-1YXknw-05; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:17:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1El2jN-0005TT-Io; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:17:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1El2qq-0003wN-M0; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:25:17 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1El2hG-0007En-ND for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:15:22 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1El2hG-0007Eh-JF for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:15:22 +0000 Received: from du-002-0159.freeuk.com ([212.126.156.159] helo=helvellyn) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1El2hF-000KHH-9H for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:15:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:13:24 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] 'Missing' styles in OP (RO) Message-ID: References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <8RxtYIKgHMmDFwhg@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8RxtYIKgHMmDFwhg@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (19 Oct 2004) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.28 (22 May 2004) (32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 8 Dec, David Pilling wrote in message <8RxtYIKgHMmDFwhg@pilling.demon.co.uk>: > >>{italic}, {italic on} and {italic off}, isn't it? > > > Hmm. > > My experiments tend to show that {bold} and {bold off} are the same > thing as far as Impression is concerned. Re-reading the spec suggests that this is the case. It isn't helped by the fact that their example uses "Bold" and "Italic" styles, not effects (which were an afterthought in Impression), but it looks as if {"Bold" on}...{"Bold" off} is the correct form for styles, while {bold on}...{bold} is the correct form for effects. I suspect that {bold} and {bold off} are therefore treated as the same. This probably comes from the fact that for things that set values other than on/off, {fontsize 10pt}...{fontsize 20pt}...{fontsize} is the way its done. I may have to fire up the RiscPC and try it in the real thing to confirm that. > I've tweeked the filter, try: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/ddfx.zip Thanks. I've downloaded that, and will have a play. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 10 14:13:41 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1El5Rv-1hwknw-08-r8S."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:13:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1El5Rv-1hwknw-08-r8S; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:11:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1El5Rv-1hwknw-08; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:11:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1El5Rv-0001tR-3m; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:11:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1El5Yb-0002gM-6s; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:18:37 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1El5Q9-0004py-Re for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:09:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1El5Q9-0004pt-J4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:09:53 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1El5Q9-0008bl-0a for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:09:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 14:08:21 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] 'Missing' styles in OP (RO) References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <8RxtYIKgHMmDFwhg@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> I've tweeked the filter, try: >> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/ddfx.zip >Thanks. I've downloaded that, and will have a play. With my current understanding I'd not recommend that modified filter for general use. If there is a fix it should be to treat {bold off} as {bold} outside style definitions, that is not exactly what I did in the ddfx version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 14 16:54:59 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EmWRM-1dAknw-03-1U0l."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:54:59 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EmWRM-1dAknw-03-1U0l; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:13:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EmWRM-1dAknw-03; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:13:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EmWRM-0004DO-Gg; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:13:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EmWRK-00033S-5K; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:13:03 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EmWP7-0002Ak-3s for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:10:45 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.212] (helo=ptb-relay01.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmWP6-0002Af-P7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:10:44 +0000 Received: from penniceard.plus.com ([80.229.17.10] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EmWP0-00007M-14 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:10:39 +0000 Message-ID: <43A019ED.7010701@penniceard.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:11:09 +0000 From: Roger Penniceard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Index applet References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <8RxtYIKgHMmDFwhg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4dd6739313steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4dd6739313steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Does the !Index applet work on the Windows version of OP? If it does how do I get it into the applets folder and if not is there anything that can be used instead? Thanks Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 14 16:55:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EmWUa-01uGPo-01-1LR1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:55:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EmWUa-01uGPo-01-1LR1; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:16:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EmWUa-01uGPo-01; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:16:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EmWUZ-0005mH-VA; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:16:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EmVQo-0005Au-03; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:08:26 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EmWSe-0002ff-2G for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:14:24 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmWSd-0002fX-Ko for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:14:23 +0000 Received: from penniceard.plus.com ([80.229.17.10] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ptb-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EmWSb-0001jc-TD for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:14:23 +0000 Message-ID: <43A01ACD.5010802@penniceard.co.uk> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:14:53 +0000 From: Roger Penniceard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Cursor visability References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <8RxtYIKgHMmDFwhg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4dd6739313steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <4dd6739313steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I often have difficulty locating the cursor when typing on my portable using OP. Is there any way of making it more visible? Thanks Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 15 14:03:25 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EmsHF-2N0GPo-03-1GhO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:03:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EmsHF-2N0GPo-03-1GhO; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:32:05 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EmsHF-2N0GPo-03; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:32:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EmsF9-0007Cr-FG; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:29:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Emt9z-0001AA-Im; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:28:39 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EmsD0-0004lD-6U for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:27:42 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.131] (helo=pih-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmsCz-0004l4-PV for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:27:41 +0000 Received: from [80.229.17.10] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EmsCu-0001XV-JB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:27:36 +0000 Message-ID: <43A16153.5030703@penniceard.co.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:28:03 +0000 From: Roger Penniceard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Index applet References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <8RxtYIKgHMmDFwhg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4dd6739313steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <43A019ED.7010701@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: >> Does the !Index applet work on the Windows version of OP? > > > No. > >> If it does how do I get it into the applets folder > > > Applets on Windows have type .oap and can be installed by either > double clicking or using the appropriate entry on the Applet Manager. > >> and if not is there anything that can be used instead? > > > I have got IdxPro working. However since I have not got the authors > permission I have not made it widely available. > > (I'm going to have to give in and write a letter on paper, I can see). > > Thanks David, please let me know if you make any progress. Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 15 16:13:15 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Emve1-1y7knw-07-1Lr8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:13:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Emve1-1y7knw-07-1Lr8; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:07:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Emve1-1y7knw-07; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:07:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Emve1-0007H0-5C; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:07:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EmujM-0003tU-Qi; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:09:18 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EmvYu-00008S-JW for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:02:32 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmvYs-000076-S7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:02:31 +0000 Received: from [80.229.238.131] (helo=ascension) by ptb-relay04.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1EmvYj-0007gj-6C for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:02:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ned Abell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:01:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] OP and MP Message-ID: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Just one of my random thoughts. I was sent a Microsoft Publisher file which doesnt seem to have a reader on Windows or Linux platforms - apart from the original application. Now I know that .pub file format varys as the depth of snow on Kilimanjaro but David have you delved into the "innards" as I would have thought an applet loading a current flavour into OP would be "a nice little earner"? Or maybe only for their lawyers! -- besters.. Ned === skype:nedabell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 15 18:03:20 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EmxJN-4EZVbs-01-1SiI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:03:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EmxJN-4EZVbs-01-1SiI; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:54:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EmxJN-4EZVbs-01; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:54:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EmxJN-0005en-Ba; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:54:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EmxJL-0001Yv-HH; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:54:36 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EmxHS-0006IF-0v for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:52:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmxHR-0006IA-Rq for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:52:37 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EmxHR-000KkX-L6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:52:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:51:06 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP and MP References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I was sent a Microsoft Publisher file which doesnt seem to > Now I know that .pub file format varys as the depth of snow >on Kilimanjaro but David have you delved into the "innards" as >I would have thought an applet loading a current flavour into >OP would be "a nice little earner"? Well... OP is short of filters for documents. I did work out the Impression file format, so no doubt I could do the same for MS Publisher, or Quark, or In Design etc. The problem with any conversion is that the destination program has to support the same features as the source program. So what would happen to the tables in MS Publisher files? Tables are a simple example, there will be 100's of other more subtle features. All this usually ends up as "an applet that loads MS Publisher files (and you make your program have 100% of the same features as MS Publisher)". To which the reply is "if you want to use MS Publisher, you buy MS Publisher". You can replace "MS Publisher" with "MS Word" or whatever. This was the case with the Impression loader, most people batted it away, "not good enough". I see their point of view, but the experience shows that 90% compatibility is not enough. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 15 18:03:20 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EmxK4-0KUVbs-03-1383."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:03:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EmxK4-0KUVbs-03-1383; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:55:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EmxK4-0KUVbs-03; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:55:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EmxK4-0002RQ-Jf; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:55:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EmxZK-0005kz-EV; Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:11:08 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EmcnV-000336-Ks for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:00:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EmcnU-0002zv-2L for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:00:20 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EmcnG-000PWF-Fh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:00:07 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:58:52 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Index applet References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <8RxtYIKgHMmDFwhg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4dd6739313steve.pampling@dsl.pipex.com> <43A019ED.7010701@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <43A019ED.7010701@penniceard.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Does the !Index applet work on the Windows version of OP? No. > If it does how do I get it into the applets folder Applets on Windows have type .oap and can be installed by either double clicking or using the appropriate entry on the Applet Manager. > and if not is there anything that can be used instead? I have got IdxPro working. However since I have not got the authors permission I have not made it widely available. (I'm going to have to give in and write a letter on paper, I can see). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 16 14:39:35 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EnGjc-1HeGPo-03-19I3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:39:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EnGjc-1HeGPo-03-19I3; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:39:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EnGjc-1HeGPo-03; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:39:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EnGjc-0004L4-9O; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:39:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EnGya-00027O-RH; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:54:30 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EnGcI-0004lc-Hp for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:31:26 +0000 Received: from [62.24.128.69] (helo=smtp-2.opaltelecom.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnGcH-0004hO-VB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:31:26 +0000 Received: from [84.13.0.167] (helo=risccube.talktalk.net) by smtp-2.opaltelecom.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1EnGc7-0007Xu-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:31:16 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] RTF To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Gerald Cobbe X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:31:41 GMT Message-ID: <5d9632da4d.Gerald@talktalk.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Sorry if this topic has come up before but if it has I've missed it. This question applies to OvnPro and OPW. I appreciate that you can export an OP document as RTF using the !TransRTF filter but is it possible to import an RTF file into either version of OP.(I'm running OP v2.76 and as far as I'm aware the latest version of OPW). I am running VRPC (Adjust) on a RISCube and have to run the Windows side to operate my scanner. I normally have to scan and OCR a document and save it as RTF. OP doesn't want to accept these files so I have to read them via Easywriter (which I'm not very comfortable using) or a Windows wordprocessor (which I'm even less comfortable using!) I then save the text to the clipboard and then to OP. The text is accepted, but totally unformatted with no styles, which means I've then got to laboriously reformat them. Is there something I'm missing? Is there some applet I should have installed to allow OP to read RTF files? Is what I want to do just not possible? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Regards -- Gerald -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 16 16:39:41 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EnIV9-3LnVbs-01-1OZY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:39:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EnIV9-3LnVbs-01-1OZY; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:32:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EnIV9-3LnVbs-01; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:32:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EnIV9-0005kd-9j; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:32:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EnIbV-0008RT-22; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:38:46 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EnINX-00006K-5P for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:24:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnINW-00005T-QJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:24:18 +0000 Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EnINR-000D2G-7q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:24:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:25:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF Message-ID: <4dda3cf9b7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5d9632da4d.Gerald@talktalk.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >!TransRTF filter but is it possible to import an RTF file into either > >version of OP.(I'm running OP v2.76 and as far as I'm aware the latest > >version of OPW). > >I am running VRPC (Adjust) on a RISCube and have to run the Windows > On 26 bit RISC OS, there *is* an RTF loader - !TransRTF, supplied with > OP on the CD, and available from here: > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf.zip Has anyone considered making it useable for Iyonix (and A9) users? -- >From KT24 - in "leafy" Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 16 17:59:44 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EnJjd-49tVbs-08-giU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:59:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EnJjd-49tVbs-08-giU; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:51:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EnJjd-49tVbs-08; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:51:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EnJjd-0007gj-LY; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:51:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EnIfe-00051U-Dm; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:43:03 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EnJhf-0000eP-TO for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:49:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnJhf-0000eK-H9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:49:11 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EnJaK-0000uY-62 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:41:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:48:04 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF References: <5d9632da4d.Gerald@talktalk.net> <4dda3cf9b7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dda3cf9b7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) writes >Has anyone considered making it useable for Iyonix (and A9) users? Yes... It was written by Rob Clark for Beebug. Both Rob Clark and the source code are lost. I've written a new one, but I've not quite finished it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 16 19:19:48 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EnKyW-18UVbs-02-1M6B."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:19:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EnKyW-18UVbs-02-1M6B; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:10:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EnKyW-18UVbs-02; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:10:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EnKyW-0003gU-5k; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:10:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EnLDm-0004iG-K9; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:26:28 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EnKwb-0003rj-7l for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:08:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnKwa-0003rZ-TQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:08:40 +0000 Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EnKwa-000Fy6-EN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:08:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:07:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF Message-ID: <4dda4bcea1charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <5d9632da4d.Gerald@talktalk.net> <4dda3cf9b7charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > writes > >Has anyone considered making it useable for Iyonix (and A9) users? > Yes... > It was written by Rob Clark for Beebug. Both Rob Clark and the source > code are lost. > I've written a new one, but I've not quite finished it. Waiting for it ........ -- >From KT24 - in "leafy" Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 16 20:09:50 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EnLrv-0Y8knw-08-1TjI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:09:50 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EnLrv-0Y8knw-08-1TjI; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:07:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EnLrv-0Y8knw-08; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:07:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EnLrv-0005KU-Jx; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:07:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EnLyS-0007TQ-0P; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:14:41 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EnLnB-0003yC-4m for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:03:01 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.158] (helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnLnA-0003wO-NR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:03:00 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3004.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7F5DB1C001C7 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:02:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-2802.l2.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.79.170.242]) by mwinf3004.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 47DDF1C001C6 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:02:54 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051216200254294.47DDF1C001C6@mwinf3004.me.freeserve.com Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:02:34 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF Message-ID: <38e150da4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <5d9632da4d.Gerald@talktalk.net> In-Reply-To: <5d9632da4d.Gerald@talktalk.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <5d9632da4d.Gerald@talktalk.net> you wrote: > Sorry if this topic has come up before but if it has I've missed it. > This question applies to OvnPro and OPW. > > I appreciate that you can export an OP document as RTF using the > !TransRTF filter but is it possible to import an RTF file into either > version of OP.(I'm running OP v2.76 and as far as I'm aware the latest > version of OPW). !TransRTF is an importer, not an exporter. With it running, you need to make sure the document has the RISC OS filetype rtf, then drop it onto the iconbar icon (not into an open document). You can then move the result into an open document by using cut and paste in OPro. *If* I recall correctly, it tends to produce effects, rather than styles. > > I am running VRPC (Adjust) on a RISCube and have to run the Windows > side to operate my scanner. I normally have to scan and OCR a document > and save it as RTF. OP doesn't want to accept these files so I have to > read them via Easywriter (which I'm not very comfortable using) or a > Windows wordprocessor (which I'm even less comfortable using!) > > I then save the text to the clipboard and then to OP. The text is > accepted, but totally unformatted with no styles, which means I've > then got to laboriously reformat them. > > Is there something I'm missing? > Is there some applet I should have installed to allow OP to read RTF > files? > Is what I want to do just not possible? > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards > -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 16 20:49:53 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EnMPR-2Yzknw-08-1C8k."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:49:53 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EnMPR-2Yzknw-08-1C8k; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:42:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EnMPR-2Yzknw-08; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:42:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EnMPR-0000Hd-7V; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:42:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EnLUz-0000uj-7V; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:44:14 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EnMNX-0001qV-RG for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:40:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnMNX-0001qD-H1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:40:35 +0000 Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EnMNX-0001Za-DV for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:40:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:37:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF Message-ID: <4dda541f97charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <38e150da4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <5d9632da4d.Gerald@talktalk.net> <38e150da4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <38e150da4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams wrote: > [Snip] > !TransRTF is an importer, not an exporter. With it running, you need to > make sure the document has the RISC OS filetype rtf, then drop it onto > the iconbar icon (not into an open document). ISTR that when I started using OvPro you could drop the file into an existing document, but after some update you needed to start a new document each time. -- >From KT24 - in "leafy" Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 16 22:29:57 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EnO3b-4Tzknw-05-1AUa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:29:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EnO3b-4Tzknw-05-1AUa; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:28:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EnO3b-4Tzknw-05; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:28:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EnO3b-0001fS-Ax; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:28:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EnOIr-0003JH-Oj; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:43:55 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EnO25-0001WK-Uo for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:26:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnO25-0001W6-Ho for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:26:33 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EnNuk-000CHn-4w for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:18:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:24:54 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF References: <5d9632da4d.Gerald@talktalk.net> <38e150da4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <4dda541f97charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dda541f97charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >ISTR that when I started using OvPro you could drop the file into an >existing document, but after some update you needed to start a new document >each time. RTF files come in two types (as far as TransRTF is concerned) - whole document ones have to be loaded as new documents, and text selection ones which can be dropped into a text frame. My understanding is that the existing loader will produce styles if the RTF contains styles in the first place. I'd be interested in any comments on the existing RTF loader. I can't promise that the new loader will be any better. Probably people submitted feedback, example documents etc. to Beebug about the original RTF loader. Possibly Beebug changed the loader in response. Well all that is lost. So when I bring out the new loader the process will have to be repeated. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 17 13:59:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EnXdb-39cknw-07-1Hxc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:59:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EnXdb-39cknw-07-1Hxc; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:41:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EnXdb-39cknw-07; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:41:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EnXdb-0003W7-Oz; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:41:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EnXkB-0005g8-OE; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:48:44 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EnI9i-0006pS-LP for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:10:02 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnI9i-0006oO-0x for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:10:02 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EnI9b-000Fxf-32 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:09:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:08:27 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF References: <5d9632da4d.Gerald@talktalk.net> In-Reply-To: <5d9632da4d.Gerald@talktalk.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >!TransRTF filter but is it possible to import an RTF file into either >version of OP.(I'm running OP v2.76 and as far as I'm aware the latest >version of OPW). >I am running VRPC (Adjust) on a RISCube and have to run the Windows On 26 bit RISC OS, there *is* an RTF loader - !TransRTF, supplied with OP on the CD, and available from here: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf.zip -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 17 16:19:38 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Enek0-220GPo-05-toB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:19:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Enek0-220GPo-05-toB; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:17:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Enek0-220GPo-05; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:17:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Enek0-0003NY-29; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:17:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EneqX-00054r-TZ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:23:47 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EneiV-00045R-6R for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:15:27 +0000 Received: from [62.24.128.69] (helo=smtp-2.opaltelecom.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EneiU-00045I-TI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:15:26 +0000 Received: from [84.13.0.167] (helo=risccube.talktalk.net) by smtp-2.opaltelecom.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1EneiU-0004bG-00 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:15:26 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Gerald Cobbe X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:15:28 GMT Message-ID: References: <5d9632da4d.Gerald@talktalk.net> <38e150da4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <38e150da4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <38e150da4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > In message <5d9632da4d.Gerald@talktalk.net> you wrote: > >> Sorry if this topic has come up before but if it has I've missed it. >> This question applies to OvnPro and OPW. >> >> I appreciate that you can export an OP document as RTF using the >> !TransRTF filter but is it possible to import an RTF file into either >> version of OP.(I'm running OP v2.76 and as far as I'm aware the latest >> version of OPW). > > !TransRTF is an importer, not an exporter. With it running, you need to make > sure the document has the RISC OS filetype rtf, then drop it onto the > iconbar icon (not into an open document). That's where I was going wrong - thanks for the tip. > > You can then move the result into an open document by using cut and paste in > OPro. > Seasons Greetings to all -- Gerald -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Dec 17 17:39:42 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eng1g-10w000-06-1QcZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:39:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eng1g-10w000-06-1QcZ; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:39:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eng1g-10w000-06; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:39:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eng1g-0005xg-Hh; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:39:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Engwx-0006dT-Hz; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:38:31 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EnIb2-00049H-3n for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:38:16 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnIb1-00046e-ML for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:38:15 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-181-61.as15444.net [82.163.181.61]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBGGbqWL031473 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:37:53 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] RTF To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b1 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:36:57 GMT Message-ID: <480e3eda4d.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> References: <5d9632da4d.Gerald@talktalk.net> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.114, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.06, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 16 Dec 2005 David Pilling wrote: >>!TransRTF filter but is it possible to import an RTF file into either >>version of OP.(I'm running OP v2.76 and as far as I'm aware the latest >>version of OPW). >>I am running VRPC (Adjust) on a RISCube and have to run the Windows > > On 26 bit RISC OS, there *is* an RTF loader - !TransRTF, supplied with > OP on the CD, and available from here: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/transrtf.zip And it works with Aemulor Pro on an Iyonix. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:42:35 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Enr5U-3lL000-05-1FYl."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:42:35 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Enr5U-3lL000-05-1FYl; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 05:28:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Enr5U-3lL000-05; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 05:28:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Enr5U-0003Df-7E; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 05:28:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EnqB0-0004t4-VG; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 04:29:39 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Enr2j-0003y1-Sq for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 05:25:09 +0000 Received: from [203.10.1.142] (helo=vscan03.westnet.com.au) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Enr2j-0003xl-4S for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 05:25:09 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69ABEB60331 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:25:08 +0800 (WST) Received: from vscan03.westnet.com.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (vscan03.westnet.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11000-08 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:25:08 +0800 (WST) Received: from [10.1.1.2] (dsl-220-235-193-124.nsw.westnet.com.au [220.235.193.124]) by vscan03.westnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B20B6016D for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:25:07 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <43A4F2B1.5090707@westnet.com.au> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:25:05 +1100 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: software list Subject: [softwarelist] Importing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In Ovation Pro for Windows is it possible to add Xara vector drawings .xar to the import list? At the moment I have to export jpeg and import that but it has 'fuzzy' edges!! Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales, Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:42:47 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EnvFS-1B5000-03-1BOn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:42:47 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EnvFS-1B5000-03-1BOn; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:54:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EnvFS-1B5000-03; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:54:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EnvFS-00056E-94; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:54:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EnuKt-0002Tp-Mi; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:56:08 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EnvDE-00084Q-3Z for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:52:16 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.132] (helo=pih-relay05.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnvDD-00084E-ND for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:52:15 +0000 Received: from [81.174.205.73] (helo=localhost) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EnvDA-0000nj-MH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:52:13 +0000 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:48:06 +0000 From: Keith Pascall To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Cursor visability Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43A01ACD.5010802@penniceard.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.06-ds.2 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <43A01ACD.5010802@penniceard.co.uk> you wrote: > I often have difficulty locating the cursor when typing on my portable > using OP. Is there any way of making it more visible? > > Thanks > > Roger > Having seen no reply to Roger's question and having to cope with the same problem with OPro (Windows version) on a Dell notebook, I assume the answer is 'no'. Having only seriously started to use OPro (Windows) recently I find the search for the cursor at times slowing down my work. It would be nice to be able to change the cursor to at least a dark colour or say change it to a contrasting colour 'block' which would be more visible. If there is no option - fair enough, OPro (Windows) is still a better option than Word! Regards, Keith -- Keith Pascall -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:42:48 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EnvTk-13mknw-01-1jGZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:42:48 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EnvTk-13mknw-01-1jGZ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:09:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EnvTk-13mknw-01; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:09:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EnvTk-0001zP-7Z; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:09:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EnwP6-0006Zj-1p; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:08:36 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EnvS1-00017h-Vt for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:07:34 +0000 Received: from [64.4.61.30] (helo=hotmail.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnvS1-00017N-Ia for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:07:33 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 02:07:32 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:07:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [82.31.4.127] X-Originating-Email: [angelacraggs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: angelacraggs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <43A4F2B1.5090707@westnet.com.au> From: "Angela Craggs" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Bcc: Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Importing Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:07:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2005 10:07:32.0087 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC43D070:01C603BA] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Can I add a request for impoerting Xara files - if at all possible. Thanks Angela Craggs >From: Peter Prewett >Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net >To: software list >Subject: [softwarelist] Importing >Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:25:05 +1100 > >In Ovation Pro for Windows is it possible to add Xara vector drawings .xar >to the import list? > >At the moment I have to export jpeg and import that but it has 'fuzzy' >edges!! > >Peter >-- >Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales, Australia > > >-- >To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net >with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > >Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:42:51 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Enw9a-2m2knw-01-1J1B."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:42:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Enw9a-2m2knw-01-1J1B; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:52:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Enw9a-2m2knw-01; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:52:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Enw9a-0002Wc-Io; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:52:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Enw9Z-00010h-27; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:52:33 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Enw77-0007uu-8X for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:50:01 +0000 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Enw76-0007uc-S7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:50:00 +0000 Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBIAo0ch021858 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:50:00 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:46:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Cursor visability Message-ID: <4ddb25996dbric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: References: <43A01ACD.5010802@penniceard.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Keith Pascall wrote: [Snip] > Having only seriously started to use OPro (Windows) recently I > find the search for the cursor at times slowing down my work. > ... You might find !Flasher serves your purpose, and for /all/ applications. I have no idea where you might now find it but I hope someone here will know of some archive web site. My copy says it is by Minerva Software, 1990. The version is 1.06 (15 Sep 94). It works on RISC OS v4.39 and all the earlier versions I have used; I don't know whether it is compatible with v5.xx . Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:43:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EnzHi-1T2Vbs-08-17MX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:43:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EnzHi-1T2Vbs-08-17MX; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:13:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EnzHi-1T2Vbs-08; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:13:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EnzHi-0006mf-OR; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:13:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EnzHh-0006QG-9x; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:13:10 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EnzFi-0003Nl-At for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:11:06 +0000 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnzFi-0003Nd-0d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:11:06 +0000 Received: from bw26.argonet.co.uk.jwolfe.f2s.com (i-195-137-94-49.freedom2surf.net [195.137.94.49]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBIEB4ch024336 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:11:05 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Cursor visability To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Ian Wolfe X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:10:47 GMT Message-ID: <4e5838db4d.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> References: <43A01ACD.5010802@penniceard.co.uk> <4ddb25996dbric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4ddb25996dbric@f2s.com> X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4ddb25996dbric@f2s.com> Brian Carroll wrote: > In article , Keith Pascall > wrote: > > [Snip] > >> Having only seriously started to use OPro (Windows) recently I >> find the search for the cursor at times slowing down my work. >> ... > > You might find !Flasher serves your purpose, and for /all/ > applications. I have no idea where you might now find it but I > hope someone here will know of some archive web site. > > My copy says it is by Minerva Software, 1990. The version is > 1.06 (15 Sep 94). It works on RISC OS v4.39 and all the earlier > versions I have used; I don't know whether it is compatible with > v5.xx . Try http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/ -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:43:04 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EnzbL-2kb000-07-1WcS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:43:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EnzbL-2kb000-07-1WcS; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:33:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EnzbL-2kb000-07; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:33:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EnzbL-0000r5-3K; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:33:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EnzbJ-0008Uh-Nt; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:33:26 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EnzZb-0005yJ-4g for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:31:39 +0000 Received: from [212.158.248.7] (helo=mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnzZa-0005xu-My for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:31:38 +0000 Received: by mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 621EB70C0E8; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:33:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Abuse: Please report all spam/abuse matters to abuse@bulldogdsl.com Received: from [84.9.232.42] (host-84-9-232-42.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.232.42]) by mcr-smtp-001.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B723D70C081 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:33:51 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43A57341.6090804@ed.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:33:37 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Characters dialogue box References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <8RxtYIKgHMmDFwhg@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8RxtYIKgHMmDFwhg@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Is it possible to increase the size of the "Characters" dialogue box? I use a 1600x1200 LCD display, and find it quite difficult to read the individual characters at the default display size. The option to increase/decrease the point size would be useful (as in Xchars for RiscOS). Alternatively, could OPW be made to optimize the size of the dialogue box for the screen mode selected? Apologies if there's something obvious that I've missed ... -- Clive Bonsall email: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:43:07 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eo02E-4Dn000-07-16c1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:43:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eo02E-4Dn000-07-16c1; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:01:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eo02E-4Dn000-07; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:01:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eo02E-0005PB-2o; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:01:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eo0HK-0000C3-IK; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:16:52 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Enzzm-0002gv-9z for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:58:42 +0000 Received: from [217.12.11.63] (helo=smtp009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) by svr1.spellings.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Enzzl-0002gq-Vg for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:58:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 29128 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2005 14:58:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Organization:Reply-To:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To:X-Mailer:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=e4zR6RNZNlltp26r+8Y1zyEdhFPqEzBJGFXJZayDth2ipG6e/YqaEhAa+xqvz+x4G3RoahikxOiCG5TPzNIq+WLzvTdCYdoWnqsra2n2f7GobSsVQm58ZxJtptlAh4ifGx35vlvVnHY4q+eVepJsd5QrVcGvv4A9c9ii0vgV6cw= ; Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (paul?witheridge@82.15.61.180 with login) by smtp009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2005 14:58:41 -0000 From: Paul Witheridge To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Characters dialogue box Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:58:34 +0000 Organization: Marlow Message-ID: References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <8RxtYIKgHMmDFwhg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <43A57341.6090804@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <43A57341.6090804@ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 3.1/32.783 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HAS_ORGANIZATION,IN_REP_TO, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_FORTE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:33:37 +0000, Clive Bonsall wrote: >Is it possible to increase the size of the "Characters" dialogue box? I=20 >use a 1600x1200 LCD display, and find it quite difficult to read the=20 >individual characters at the default display size. The option to=20 >increase/decrease the point size would be useful (as in Xchars for=20 >RiscOS). Alternatively, could OPW be made to optimize the size of the=20 >dialogue box for the screen mode selected? I second that - also using a 1600x1200 screen with Windows. -- Paul Witheridge - Marlow, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:43:08 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eo0Ry-3E8000-01-1Vlp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:43:08 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eo0Ry-3E8000-01-1Vlp; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:27:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eo0Ry-3E8000-01; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:27:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eo0Ry-0001gL-7P; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:27:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eo0Rw-0003jD-VB; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:27:49 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo0Q9-0005Fi-D6 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:25:57 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo0Q9-0005FW-4Q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:25:57 +0000 Received: from [81.174.211.38] (helo=localhost) by ptb-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Eo0Q4-0008IQ-2w for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:25:52 +0000 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:25:39 +0000 From: Keith Pascall To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Cursor visability Message-ID: <13333fdb4d%klp@klp.plus.net> In-Reply-To: <4ddb25996dbric@f2s.com> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.06-ds.2 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4ddb25996dbric@f2s.com> you wrote: > In article , Keith Pascall > wrote: > > [Snip] > > > Having only seriously started to use OPro (Windows) recently I > > find the search for the cursor at times slowing down my work. > > ... > > You might find !Flasher serves your purpose, and for /all/ > applications. I have no idea where you might now find it but I > hope someone here will know of some archive web site. > > My copy says it is by Minerva Software, 1990. The version is > 1.06 (15 Sep 94). It works on RISC OS v4.39 and all the earlier > versions I have used; I don't know whether it is compatible with > v5.xx . > > Brian. > Unfortunately I would need it to work on Windows. OPro (RISC OS) is 'ok'. -- Keith Pascall -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:43:09 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eo0SF-1Tkknw-02-1moa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:43:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eo0SF-1Tkknw-02-1moa; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:28:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eo0SF-1Tkknw-02; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:28:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eo0SF-0001DM-Gi; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:28:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eo0hW-0002M6-Vn; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:43:56 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo0QG-0005H5-CY for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:26:04 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo0Q9-0005FX-50 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:25:57 +0000 Received: from [81.174.211.38] (helo=localhost) by ptb-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Eo0Q5-0008IQ-8M for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:25:53 +0000 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 15:21:07 +0000 From: Keith Pascall To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Cursor visability Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4e5838db4d.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.06-ds.2 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4e5838db4d.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> you wrote: > In message <4ddb25996dbric@f2s.com> > Brian Carroll wrote: > > > In article , Keith Pascall > > wrote: > > > > [Snip] > > > >> Having only seriously started to use OPro (Windows) recently I > >> find the search for the cursor at times slowing down my work. > >> ... > > > > You might find !Flasher serves your purpose, and for /all/ > > applications. I have no idea where you might now find it but I > > hope someone here will know of some archive web site. > > > > My copy says it is by Minerva Software, 1990. The version is > > 1.06 (15 Sep 94). It works on RISC OS v4.39 and all the earlier > > versions I have used; I don't know whether it is compatible with > > v5.xx . > > Try http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/ > > Seems to be for Flash movies! unless I have missed something. -- Keith Pascall -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:43:13 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eo2EJ-2hLVbs-02-1CwS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:43:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eo2EJ-2hLVbs-02-1CwS; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:21:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eo2EJ-2hLVbs-02; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:21:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eo2EJ-0007cf-2e; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:21:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eo2EH-00042m-KQ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:21:50 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo2Cm-0005Yp-7W for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:20:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo2Cl-0005Yk-Td for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:20:15 +0000 Received: from joyces.demon.co.uk ([158.152.140.66]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Eo2Cl-000AkR-6Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:20:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve Joyce To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:13:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TranTIFF+ enhanced TIFF loading for RISC OS Message-ID: <4ddb438c86Steve@joyces.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > There's been discussion recently about the shortcomings of TIFF loading > on RISC OS. I've taken the TIFF loader from Ovation Pro for Windows and > turned it into a Transloader for RISC OS. It is available from: > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/trantiff.zip > Transloaders can be used with Ovation, Ovation Pro, Impression and > ArtWorks. > Unlike TransFSI supplied with Ovation Pro, this new loader can handle > CMYK TIFFs. Downloaded a copy with intention of using with Publisher. Replaced copy of !TransTIFF in !CCShared and subsequently got complaints when attempting to start !Publisher - "can't find !TransTIFF !Boot". Second attempt works ok, so I guess something not being seen at the right time, but what? !CCShared !Boot file has a command "Obey .!TransTIFF.!Boot" and I'd assumed that should be changed to !TransTIFF+ , but makes no difference. Cheers, Steve -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:43:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eo4EE-2HJVbs-03-12Q1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:43:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eo4EE-2HJVbs-03-12Q1; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:29:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eo4EE-2HJVbs-03; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:29:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eo4EE-0005Dt-Pe; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:29:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eo4Kc-0002gu-MJ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:36:31 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo4BX-0007Nn-7d for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:27:07 +0000 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo4BW-0007Ne-LL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:27:06 +0000 Received: from bw26.argonet.co.uk.jwolfe.f2s.com (i-195-137-94-49.freedom2surf.net [195.137.94.49]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBIJR5ch019974 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:27:06 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Cursor visability To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Ian Wolfe X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:26:54 GMT Message-ID: <974955db4d.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: none whatsoever User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Keith Pascall wrote: > In message <4e5838db4d.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> you wrote: > >> In message <4ddb25996dbric@f2s.com> >> Brian Carroll wrote: >> >> > In article , Keith Pascall >> > wrote: >> > >> > [Snip] >> > >> >> Having only seriously started to use OPro (Windows) recently I >> >> find the search for the cursor at times slowing down my work. >> >> ... >> > >> > You might find !Flasher serves your purpose, and for /all/ >> > applications. I have no idea where you might now find it but I >> > hope someone here will know of some archive web site. >> > >> > My copy says it is by Minerva Software, 1990. The version is >> > 1.06 (15 Sep 94). It works on RISC OS v4.39 and all the earlier >> > versions I have used; I don't know whether it is compatible with >> > v5.xx . >> >> Try http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/ >> >> > Seems to be for Flash movies! unless I have missed something. Sincere apologies. I was being even stupider than usual. A search on Google for "Caret Flasher" will let you get a download. -- Ian Wolfe. Linlithgow. Birthplace of Mary, Queen of Scots. Blessed are the peacemakers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:43:20 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eo6E6-2g3Vbs-06-18wf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:43:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eo6E6-2g3Vbs-06-18wf; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:37:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eo6E6-2g3Vbs-06; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:37:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eo6E6-0002dm-Mq; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:37:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eo6E5-0006fJ-76; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:37:54 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo6Ce-0001xl-Qt for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:36:24 +0000 Received: from [62.241.163.6] (helo=astro.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo6Cd-0001wX-QG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:36:23 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.dsl.pipex.com (81-178-75-210.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.75.210]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60405E000690 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:36:22 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:45:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Cursor visability Message-ID: <4ddb5c7a91rkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ddb25996dbric@f2s.com> References: <43A01ACD.5010802@penniceard.co.uk> <4ddb25996dbric@f2s.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4ddb25996dbric@f2s.com>, Brian Carroll wrote: > In article , Keith Pascall > wrote: > [Snip] > > Having only seriously started to use OPro (Windows) recently I > > find the search for the cursor at times slowing down my work. > > ... > You might find !Flasher serves your purpose, and for /all/ > applications. I have no idea where you might now find it but I > hope someone here will know of some archive web site. > My copy says it is by Minerva Software, 1990. The version is > 1.06 (15 Sep 94). It works on RISC OS v4.39 and all the earlier > versions I have used; I don't know whether it is compatible with > v5.xx . V1.07 (2nd April 2003) was supplied with my Iyonix, and works fine. Richard Partridge. -- Richard Partridge rkp@par.me.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:43:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eo7V0-2lGGPo-05-1GCH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:43:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eo7V0-2lGGPo-05-1GCH; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:59:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eo7V0-2lGGPo-05; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:59:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eo7V0-0000yb-OG; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:59:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eo8QK-00061J-Vw; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:58:41 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo7Sq-0004vB-JP for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:57:12 +0000 Received: from [212.9.8.7] (helo=mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo7Sq-0004v4-Br for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:57:12 +0000 Received: from iyonix ([82.112.149.132]) by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (Merak 8.2.4) with SMTP id GKN38646 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:44:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:45:17 GMT From: michael talibard To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Cursor visibility Message-ID: <63f856db4d.michael@talibard.com> References: <974955db4d.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <974955db4d.jwolfe@jwolfe.f2s.com> X-Organization: home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Please note spelling of visibility. (OK - I need to get out more!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:43:23 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eo7ln-2XSGPo-06-17Oy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:43:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eo7ln-2XSGPo-06-17Oy; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:16:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eo7ln-2XSGPo-06; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:16:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eo7ln-00068g-AU; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:16:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eo814-0007IH-R0; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:32:36 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo7kB-0006Ev-Pi for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:15:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo7kB-0006Em-CL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:15:07 +0000 Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([83.104.180.237] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Eo7kA-000IzM-39 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:15:07 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Cursor visability To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:16:10 GMT Message-ID: References: <43A01ACD.5010802@penniceard.co.uk> <4ddb25996dbric@f2s.com> <4ddb5c7a91rkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ddb5c7a91rkp@par.me.uk> X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4ddb5c7a91rkp@par.me.uk> Richard Partridge wrote: [!Flasher] > > V1.07 (2nd April 2003) was supplied with my Iyonix, and works fine. > > Richard Partridge. Oh - I find it works here as expected with some apps but with not all: On a quick check of a few apps.: Works as expected (i.e. click on iconbar icon, and pointer moves across screen from icon to the caret itself) with the following: Edit Impression Publisher Writer and Easiwriter Draw and Vector MPro (inbuilt editor) Fireworkz Netsurf (writeable field) With the following, the pointer moves to the bottom left-hand corner of the open window which has the caret in: OPro (with which I'd find most use for it, of course!) StrongEd (ditto) ArtWorks Oregano2 (writeable field) I can't see any obvious pattern there! It's of course most useful in a dense page of small text in a WP or especially a DTP app., rather than some of the above apps. JR. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Simple; elegant; productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:43:55 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EoK4z-1tX000-02-1C8o."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:43:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EoK4z-1tX000-02-1C8o; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:25:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EoK4z-1tX000-02; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:25:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EoK4z-0004qT-FS; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:25:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EoKKF-00028C-T0; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:41:13 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EoK3W-00031m-Mo for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:23:54 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoK3W-00031b-Bz for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:23:54 +0000 Received: from [80.229.17.10] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by ptb-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EoK3R-0001ch-DH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:23:49 +0000 Message-ID: <43A6A657.2050706@penniceard.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:23:51 +0000 From: Roger Penniceard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Cursor visability References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Keith Pascall wrote: >In message <43A01ACD.5010802@penniceard.co.uk> you wrote: > > > >>I often have difficulty locating the cursor when typing on my portable >>using OP. Is there any way of making it more visible? >> >>Thanks >> >>Roger >> >> >> >Having seen no reply to Roger's question and having to cope with the >same problem with OPro (Windows version) on a Dell notebook, I assume >the answer is 'no'. > >Having only seriously started to use OPro (Windows) recently I find the >search for the cursor at times slowing down my work. It would be nice >to be able to change the cursor to at least a dark colour or say change >it to a contrasting colour 'block' which would be more visible. > >If there is no option - fair enough, OPro (Windows) is still a better >option than Word! > >Regards, > >Keith > > > Deathly hush from David on this one. Is there no little tweek that would the remove the necessity of importing eyes and flashers etc? Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:44:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EoKkg-1LdGPo-03-1BT7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:44:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EoKkg-1LdGPo-03-1BT7; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:08:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EoKkg-1LdGPo-03; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:08:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EoKkg-0003iq-3T; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:08:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EoJqB-0004Oa-Dr; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:10:08 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EoKis-00043r-GY for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:06:38 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.214] (helo=ptb-relay03.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoKis-00043l-4p for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:06:38 +0000 Received: from [80.229.17.10] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EoKir-0001kj-Hb for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:06:37 +0000 Message-ID: <43A6B05F.6040806@penniceard.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:06:39 +0000 From: Roger Penniceard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Cursor visability References: <43A6A657.2050706@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <43A6A657.2050706@penniceard.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Roger Penniceard wrote: > Keith Pascall wrote: > >> In message <43A01ACD.5010802@penniceard.co.uk> you wrote: >> >> >> >>> I often have difficulty locating the cursor when typing on my >>> portable using OP. Is there any way of making it more visible? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Roger >>> >>> >> >> Having seen no reply to Roger's question and having to cope with the >> same problem with OPro (Windows version) on a Dell notebook, I assume >> the answer is 'no'. >> >> Having only seriously started to use OPro (Windows) recently I find the >> search for the cursor at times slowing down my work. It would be nice >> to be able to change the cursor to at least a dark colour or say change >> it to a contrasting colour 'block' which would be more visible. >> >> If there is no option - fair enough, OPro (Windows) is still a better >> option than Word! >> >> Regards, >> >> Keith >> >> >> > Deathly hush from David on this one. Is there no little tweek that > would the remove the necessity of importing eyes and flashers etc? > > Roger Now I come to investigate I can't get these sorts of things to work with OP anyway. For example WinEyes disappears behind when I click into a full screen OP document. Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:44:04 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EoM4U-2vp000-04-1Ifp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:44:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EoM4U-2vp000-04-1Ifp; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:33:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EoM4U-2vp000-04; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:33:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EoM4U-0001hz-5n; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:33:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EoMAm-0008Th-81; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:39:33 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EoM31-0003X7-UH for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:31:31 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.177] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoM30-0003WE-H8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:31:30 +0000 Received: from [62.180.24.124] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2Dk-1EoM2z15tt-0005tQ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:31:30 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Cursor visability To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:31:50 +0100 Message-ID: References: <43A01ACD.5010802@penniceard.co.uk> <4ddb25996dbric@f2s.com> <4ddb5c7a91rkp@par.me.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Jeremy Roberts wrote: > [using Flasher to locate the caret] > > With the following, the pointer moves to the bottom left-hand corner > of the open window which has the caret in: > > OPro (with which I'd find most use for it, of course!) > StrongEd (ditto) > ArtWorks > Oregano2 (writeable field) > > I can't see any obvious pattern there! It all depends on the fact whether the program that owns the caret actually lets the Wimp know where exactly the caret is located within the window. This always happens when the program asks the Wimp to draw the caret. Applications that need rotated carets (OvationPro and ArtWorks, for instance), cannot use the system caret, so they need to draw their own anyway, which means that there is little point in telling the Wimp where the caret is. Asking the Wimp is the only way for third-party applications to find out where the caret is, so if the Wimp does not know, Flasher has no means of finding out the position. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:44:07 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EoMQq-1s3knw-03-11GR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:44:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EoMQq-1s3knw-03-11GR; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:56:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EoMQq-1s3knw-03; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:56:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EoMQq-0004P2-Pe; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:56:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EoMg7-0008Rw-Ag; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:11:57 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EoMPP-00021E-Fc for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:54:39 +0000 Received: from [64.12.137.6] (helo=imo-m25.mx.aol.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoMPP-000214-1o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:54:39 +0000 Received: from Tomhopley@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 3.149.52f665b4 (4426) for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:54:30 -0500 (EST) From: Message-ID: <149.52f665b4.30d823a5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:54:29 EST Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Cursor visability To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_149.52f665b4.30d823a5_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,HTML_10_20,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,NO_REAL_NAME, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --part1_149.52f665b4.30d823a5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 14/12/2005 13:18:48 GMT Standard Time, roger@penniceard.co.uk writes: > > I often have difficulty locating the cursor when typing on my portable > using OP. Is there any way of making it more visible? > > Thanks > > Roger > If you're using Windows XP, go to Control Panel (Classic view) > Mouse. Choose the Pointer Options tab and tick Show location of pointer when I press the CTRL key. I've just checked, and that works with OPW. With Window 98, tick display pointer trails and adjust the trail length to suit you. HTH TomH --part1_149.52f665b4.30d823a5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 14/12/2005 13:18:48 GMT Standard Time, roger@penniceard.co.uk wr= ites:



I often have difficulty locating the cursor when typing on my portable
using OP. Is there any way of making it more visible?

Thanks

Roger


If you're using Windows XP, go to Control Panel (Classic view) > Mouse. Choose the Pointer Options tab and tick Show location of pointer when I pres= s the CTRL key.
I've just checked, and that works with OPW.
With Window 98, tick display pointer trails and adjust the trail length to s= uit you.
HTH
TomH --part1_149.52f665b4.30d823a5_boundary-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:44:22 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EoPjg-0oy000-05-1W3f."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:44:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EoPjg-0oy000-05-1W3f; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:27:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EoPjg-0oy000-05; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:27:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EoPjg-00034w-GH; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:27:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EoQfB-0006po-H4; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:27:13 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EoPiA-0002CI-AS for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:26:14 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.183] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoPi9-0002C9-Ul for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:26:14 +0000 Received: from [62.180.24.90] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1EoPhx2ice-0008C1; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:26:12 +0100 Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Importing To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 19:26:09 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message "Angela Craggs" wrote: > Peter Prewett wrote: >> >> In Ovation Pro for Windows is it possible to add Xara vector drawings >> .xar to the import list? >> >> At the moment I have to export jpeg and import that but it has 'fuzzy' > > Can I add a request for impoerting Xara files - if at all possible. Unfortunately, there is simply no way OvationPro could render Xara files itself (or ArtWorks files, for that matter) - it would mean rewriting a substantial part of the Xara application. Rendering a vector graphics file is a huge task, so there is no way this could be incorporated into OvationPro. You are spoiled by the RISC OS situation where there is a free renderer module for ArtWorks files, which third-party applications can use to render embedded ArtWorks files. Unfortunately, there is no such thing for Windows. Windows has a mechanism called OLE that allows documents of one application to be embedded in some other application and rendered by the original application, but Xara X does not support that (nor does OvationPro unless I am mistaken). Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:44:56 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eoie8-3Cb000-04-1Lfj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:44:56 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eoie8-3Cb000-04-1Lfj; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:39:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eoie8-3Cb000-04; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:39:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eoie8-0006Dv-Jz; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:39:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EoikI-0006aB-4y; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:45:43 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EoicG-0004Oy-81 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:37:24 +0000 Received: from [212.62.69.126] (helo=sally.dts-online.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoicF-0004OP-Ow for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 14:37:23 +0000 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-122-65.teleos-web.de [213.182.122.65]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A5884ED547 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:37:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:37:23 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 20 Dec 2005 15:37:21 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:37:21 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Importing Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > In message > "Angela Craggs" wrote: > > > Peter Prewett wrote: > >> > >> In Ovation Pro for Windows is it possible to add Xara vector drawings > >> .xar to the import list? > >> > >> At the moment I have to export jpeg and import that but it has 'fuzzy' > > > > Can I add a request for impoerting Xara files - if at all possible. > Which I would consider a waste of effort. OvnPro only needs to support one format - SVG. Convert all Your files to that and get it over with all the proprietary crap. Sorry for my rant, but its '05 already. Xara was, INKSCAPE is. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:45:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eojkh-0iW000-07-uzc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:45:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eojkh-0iW000-07-uzc; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:50:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eojkh-0iW000-07; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:50:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eojkh-0001SE-Nf; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:50:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EokgI-0005TR-Qw; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:49:43 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eojis-0002AK-2q for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:48:18 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.187] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eojir-0002AE-NB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:48:17 +0000 Received: from [62.180.24.187] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1Eojip2wK9-0008Cl; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:48:17 +0100 Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Importing To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:48:47 +0100 Message-ID: <56fd48dc4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Martin Vethake wrote: > In message you wrote: > >> In message >> "Angela Craggs" wrote: >> >> > Peter Prewett wrote: >> >> >> >> In Ovation Pro for Windows is it possible to add Xara vector drawings >> >> .xar to the import list? >> >> >> >> At the moment I have to export jpeg and import that but it has 'fuzzy' >> > >> > Can I add a request for impoerting Xara files - if at all possible. >> > Which I would consider a waste of effort. OvnPro only needs > to support one format - SVG. Convert all Your files to that > and get it over with all the proprietary crap. > > Sorry for my rant, but its '05 already. Xara was, INKSCAPE is. Inkscape and SVG: Nice try for playing on screen but not if you want to do any professional printing. Come back when SVG and Inkscape support even the most basic essential features required for professional printing such as CMYK colours, spot vs. process colours, tints, overprinting, etc., all of which are supported by ArtWorks and Xara files. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:52:26 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eoke6-14qGPo-08-lZh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:52:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eoke6-14qGPo-08-lZh; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:47:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eoke6-14qGPo-08; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:47:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eoke6-0002D1-8G; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:47:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EojjZ-0001I3-Eu; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 15:49:02 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eokc2-00057D-Qu for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:45:18 +0000 Received: from [212.74.114.37] (helo=mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eokc2-00056l-6l for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:45:18 +0000 Received: from 88-105-184-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.184.110]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 20 Dec 2005 16:44:26 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAI/Dp0OCFIU3AQ Received: from 88-105-184-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.184.110]:10875 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EokbA-000H3a-UP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:44:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:41:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Importing Message-ID: <4ddc4dd5ebdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Martin Vethake wrote: > Which I would consider a waste of effort. OvnPro only needs > to support one format - SVG. Convert all Your files to that > and get it over with all the proprietary crap. > Sorry for my rant, but its '05 already. Xara was, INKSCAPE is. > Regards > Martin Vethake You have my vote Martin, SVG is the way to go. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 16:52:27 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eokgi-01F000-03-1B6d."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:52:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eokgi-01F000-03-1B6d; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:50:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eokgi-01F000-03; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:50:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eokgi-0003FX-N5; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:50:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eokmq-0004Zq-2c; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:56:29 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EokfG-0005Vh-2v for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:48:38 +0000 Received: from [212.62.69.126] (helo=sally.dts-online.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EokfF-0005Va-Nm for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:48:37 +0000 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-122-65.teleos-web.de [213.182.122.65]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3901E4B528F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:48:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:48:42 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 20 Dec 2005 17:48:41 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:48:40 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Importing Message-ID: References: <56fd48dc4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <56fd48dc4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <56fd48dc4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> you wrote: > In message > Martin Vethake wrote: > > > In message you wrote: > > > >> In message > >> "Angela Craggs" wrote: > >> > >> > Peter Prewett wrote: > >> >> > >> >> In Ovation Pro for Windows is it possible to add Xara vector drawings > >> >> .xar to the import list? > >> >> > >> >> At the moment I have to export jpeg and import that but it has 'fuzzy' > >> > > >> > Can I add a request for impoerting Xara files - if at all possible. > >> > > Which I would consider a waste of effort. OvnPro only needs > > to support one format - SVG. Convert all Your files to that > > and get it over with all the proprietary crap. > > > > Sorry for my rant, but its '05 already. Xara was, INKSCAPE is. > > Inkscape and SVG: Nice try for playing on screen but not if you want > to do any professional printing. Come back when SVG and Inkscape > support even the most basic essential features required for > professional printing such as CMYK colours, spot vs. process colours, > tints, overprinting, etc., all of which are supported by ArtWorks and > Xara files. > Horses for courses, I'd say. Why would a vector file format have to cater for overprinting? That SVG doesn't support CMYK is inconvenient, but essential it is not. Like, overprinting would be f.i. Ovations job. Take Adobe Illustrator CS, it is by all means adequate for professional printing. But as a vector editor it is unintuitive crap. Lately I did a few desings intended to be printed on paper bags in gold and spot-colours. Working on the design was done in Inkscape, preparing it for the printers with ICS. See? (Turns out the printers want a Quark file in the end :{ ) It's a tool, it is not _THE_ tool. I am not sure if I even want it to become _THE_ tool. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 17:32:28 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EolKa-3Mt000-03-11wF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:32:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EolKa-3Mt000-03-11wF; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:31:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EolKa-3Mt000-03; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:31:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EolKa-0001Y3-FI; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:31:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EokGC-0000tb-KP; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:22:45 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EolIT-0002Xb-9j for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:29:09 +0000 Received: from [212.62.69.126] (helo=sally.dts-online.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EolIS-0002XB-K3 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:29:08 +0000 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-122-65.teleos-web.de [213.182.122.65]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F1984E349F for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:29:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:29:16 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 20 Dec 2005 18:29:14 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:29:14 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Importing Message-ID: References: <56fd48dc4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <56fd48dc4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <56fd48dc4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> you wrote: > In message > Martin Vethake wrote: > > > In message you wrote: > > > >> In message > >> "Angela Craggs" wrote: > >> > >> > Peter Prewett wrote: > >> >> > >> >> In Ovation Pro for Windows is it possible to add Xara vector drawings > >> >> .xar to the import list? > >> >> > >> >> At the moment I have to export jpeg and import that but it has 'fuzzy' > >> > > >> > Can I add a request for impoerting Xara files - if at all possible. > >> > > Which I would consider a waste of effort. OvnPro only needs > > to support one format - SVG. Convert all Your files to that > > and get it over with all the proprietary crap. > > > > Sorry for my rant, but its '05 already. Xara was, INKSCAPE is. > > Inkscape and SVG: Nice try for playing on screen but not if you want > to do any professional printing. Come back when SVG and Inkscape > I wish the Inkscape developers would take ArtWorks for a spin. GUI-wise nothing ever beat AW. Then take a look at Inkscapes features like inset, outset, ordering, ... This thing is 0.43 and it has better tracing as Xara, even beats Streamline. Meeting professional printing requirements will always be a difficult dialogue. There will (probably) never be a single program to get 'there'. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 18:22:30 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eom82-1YeVbs-01-19fJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:22:30 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eom82-1YeVbs-01-19fJ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:22:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eom82-1YeVbs-01; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:22:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eom81-0003LO-Vl; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:22:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EolDV-0003Fe-NK; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:24:02 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eom6d-00036p-E3 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:20:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eom6d-00036b-2r for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:20:59 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Eom6c-000H5K-Bv for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:20:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:19:23 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: TranTIFF+ enhanced TIFF loading for RISC OS References: <4ddb438c86Steve@joyces.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ddb438c86Steve@joyces.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Downloaded a copy with intention of using with Publisher. Replaced copy >of !TransTIFF in !CCShared and subsequently got complaints when >attempting to start !Publisher - "can't find !TransTIFF !Boot". Second >attempt works ok, so I guess something not being seen at the right time, >but what? As you say, something must be trying to run !Boot in TransTIFF. You could set off with !Run in Publisher and trace through what it calls up. The fact that you get this error the first time, and not subsequently points to something looking if a system variable is set up, and if not attempting to boot things. If you have a program that searches the contents of all files, that might be a quick way to find the reference. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 18:42:33 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EomIU-0S6GPo-02-1I1N."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:42:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EomIU-0S6GPo-02-1I1N; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:33:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EomIU-0S6GPo-02; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:33:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EomIU-00000A-9g; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:33:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EonE6-0000zQ-OE; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:32:47 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EomH5-0005KP-Bb for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:31:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EomH4-0005JA-VC for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:31:46 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EomH4-000BuS-Lb for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:31:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 18:30:12 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Cursor visability References: <43A01ACD.5010802@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Having seen no reply to Roger's question and having to cope with the >same problem with OPro (Windows version) on a Dell notebook, I assume >the answer is 'no'. Obviously I have some reluctance to tackle this question... It depends what you want. (1) A choice of caret colour No problem. (2) A caret that contains more pixels e.g. two pixels wide. Easy to do, but possible redraw problems. (3) To see the caret What worries me about this is that on certain screens anything is going to be difficult to see. In other words, being able to see the caret easily is a good idea, but is it possible. Tell me is the caret easy to see in other programs? Little known fact... Ctrl+Shift X is "return to caret" which makes the window scroll so that the caret is visible. That may help you anyway, but it might be possible to enhance it so that it flashed something on screen at the same time. Martin is quite right that OP (on RISC OS) does not use the built in caret. ISTR setting off to use it in 1990 and being very disappointed with it. Hence OP does its own caret. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 19:32:34 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EonAN-0XBknw-06-1H9U."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:32:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EonAN-0XBknw-06-1H9U; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:28:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EonAN-0XBknw-06; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:28:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EonAN-0002Vz-HE; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:28:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EonAL-0005A9-B9; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:28:54 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eon8e-00067A-Q0 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:27:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eon8e-000675-FO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:27:08 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Eon1E-000AEn-5r for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:19:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:26:05 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Importing References: <43A4F2B1.5090707@westnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <43A4F2B1.5090707@westnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >In Ovation Pro for Windows is it possible to add Xara vector drawings >.xar to the import list? This is something that has come up before. The best hope is that I implement OLE this should provide more types that OPW can render. I gather from the discussion above, that includes SVG but not Xara. It is not a magic bullet - try the Adobe SVG render in WordPad for example. The other thing that has been touted is a render plug in like Netscape or Internet Explorer use. However as I recall, Xara have abandoned their work on this. I've read that Xara is to be made open source. Perhaps that will provide another possible solution. Using a bitmap format that does not lose detail might help you. i.e. use TIFF instead of JPEG. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 19:42:34 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EonF7-1EH000-02-1PbG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:42:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EonF7-1EH000-02-1PbG; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:33:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EonF7-1EH000-02; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:33:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EonF7-0006P0-Ga; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:33:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EonUO-00067L-3o; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:49:37 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EonDE-0008Ag-KS for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:31:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EonDD-0008AE-ND for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:31:52 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EonDD-0007rI-Dg for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:31:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 19:30:40 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Characters dialogue box References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <8RxtYIKgHMmDFwhg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <43A57341.6090804@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <43A57341.6090804@ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Is it possible to increase the size of the "Characters" dialogue box? I >use a 1600x1200 LCD display, and find it quite difficult to read the >individual I don't like the current design. I've left it alone because there will have to be a redesign when I allow the use of Unicode text. I'll see what I can do in the meantime. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 20 23:02:45 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EoqQX-0Eyknw-03-1dSs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:02:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EoqQX-0Eyknw-03-1dSs; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:57:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EoqQX-0Eyknw-03; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:57:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EoqQX-0002nq-RC; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:57:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EorMB-0001zP-D9; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:57:23 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EoqP7-0006w5-AA for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:56:21 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.171] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoqP6-0006w0-VT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:56:21 +0000 Received: from [62.180.24.46] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1EoqP52aQ3-0000i0; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:56:20 +0100 Subject: RE: [softwarelist] Importing To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:56:54 +0100 Message-ID: <282f70dc4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <56fd48dc4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Martin Vethake wrote: > In message <56fd48dc4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> you wrote: >> Inkscape and SVG: Nice try for playing on screen but not if you want >> to do any professional printing. Come back when SVG and Inkscape >> support even the most basic essential features required for >> professional printing such as CMYK colours, spot vs. process colours, >> tints, overprinting, etc., all of which are supported by ArtWorks and >> Xara files. >> > Horses for courses, I'd say. Why would a vector file format have to > cater for overprinting? Why? Because, as a serious designer working with separated colours, you need control over that kind of thing. > That SVG doesn't support CMYK is inconvenient, but essential it is not. Well, the printing industry thinks otherwise. They sneer at PDF files with RGB definitions. Some print shops even refuse to print RGB based data at all. > Like, overprinting would be f.i. Ovations job. But what can Ovation do if I want overprinting of elements *within* my vector file? If there is no support for that in the file format, then there is no overprinting. OK for some things, but we are talking about embedding an illustration in a desktop publishing program that supports CMYK colours, colour separation and overprinting for its own contents so it is not unreasonable to want to have the same in the embedded content. I am not saying SVG should support CMYK colours, spot colours and overprinting, all I say is that a format that does not support these essential things can never be the one and only format we ever need. > It's a tool, it is not _THE_ tool. I am not sure if I even want > it to become _THE_ tool. But this is not about tools, it is about an adequate file format in which to embed illustrations. You claimed SVG would be all we need but SVG is grossly inadequate for professional printing, which is the kind of work Ovation was designed for. SVG is nice for what it does and the fact that I added SVG export to ArtWorks shows that I like the format but it is clearly a format for the web and rather inadequate for a serious printing workflow. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 21 14:25:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EouvN-1Clknw-02-sLS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:25:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EouvN-1Clknw-02-sLS; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:45:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EouvN-1Clknw-02; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:45:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EouvN-0001mJ-Ii; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:45:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eovqj-00072a-I7; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 04:45:13 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EoutQ-0000Vo-Jy for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:43:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoutQ-0000Vj-CL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:43:56 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EoutP-000NSd-Ko for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:43:55 +0000 Message-ID: <8n7N1mR78MqDFwiB@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:42:51 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Windows XP 64 software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've uploaded Windows XP 64 versions of two pieces of software. XP 64 is the latest 64 bit version of Windows. Software compiled for XP 64 won't run on older versions of Windows. In theory what is gained from 64 bit Windows software is a much bigger address space. Programs can use more than 2GB of memory. You also get away from 32 bit programs running under WOW64 - which makes things a bit cleaner. This is really about me exploring new areas rather than some great step forward in functionality. DPScan: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Extras/DPScan/InstallDPScan6 4.exe Calendar: http://www.davidpilling.net/calendar64.exe -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 21 14:25:42 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ep0xM-2jAVbs-05-13MV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:25:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ep0xM-2jAVbs-05-13MV; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:12:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ep0xM-2jAVbs-05; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:12:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ep0xL-0003qI-U4; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:12:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eozst-0005HV-6c; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:03:44 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep0vn-0005yc-Tr for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:10:47 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep0vn-0005yX-IK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:10:47 +0000 Received: from red-squirrel.com.orpheusnet.co.uk (du213-130-141-120.as15444.net [213.130.141.120]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBLAAe2Z031052 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:10:41 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: TranTIFF+ enhanced TIFF loading for RISC OS To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:38:57 GMT Message-ID: <4ff7aadc4d.roger@orpheusnet.co.uk> References: <4ddb438c86Steve@joyces.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.086, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.04, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>Downloaded a copy with intention of using with Publisher. Replaced copy >>of !TransTIFF in !CCShared and subsequently got complaints when >>attempting to start !Publisher - "can't find !TransTIFF !Boot". Second >>attempt works ok, so I guess something not being seen at the right time, >>but what? > > As you say, something must be trying to run !Boot in TransTIFF. > > You could set off with !Run in Publisher and trace through what it calls > up. > > The fact that you get this error the first time, and not subsequently > points to something looking if a system variable is set up, and if not > attempting to boot things. > > If you have a program that searches the contents of all files, that > might be a quick way to find the reference. > I think the wrong program has been replaced. David Pilling's TranTIFF (no 's') should be in !Boot.Resources along with the other Transloaders which came with Ovation and OvationPro; the ones in !CCShared including !TransTIFF (note the 's') are the ones supplied by Computer Concepts purely for their own programs. It's !CCShared.!Boot which looks for !TransTIFF Regards Roger -- roger@red-squirrel.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 21 14:26:06 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ep2Zd-2kvknw-08-1AGk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:26:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ep2Zd-2kvknw-08-1AGk; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:56:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ep2Zd-2kvknw-08; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:56:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ep2Zc-0002pH-VT; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:56:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ep3VJ-0000Rt-OK; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:55:38 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep2Y8-0001s4-B2 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:54:28 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.171] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep2Y7-0001rl-TM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:54:28 +0000 Received: from [62.180.24.251] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwpI-1Ep2Y63Ibo-000743; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:54:27 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: TranTIFF+ enhanced TIFF loading for RISC OS To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:08:20 +0100 Message-ID: <3226b3dc4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4ddb438c86Steve@joyces.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ddb438c86Steve@joyces.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4ddb438c86Steve@joyces.demon.co.uk> Steve Joyce wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >> Hi, > >> There's been discussion recently about the shortcomings of TIFF loading >> on RISC OS. I've taken the TIFF loader from Ovation Pro for Windows and >> turned it into a Transloader for RISC OS. It is available from: > >> http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/filelib/files/trantiff.zip > >> Transloaders can be used with Ovation, Ovation Pro, Impression and >> ArtWorks. > >> Unlike TransFSI supplied with Ovation Pro, this new loader can handle >> CMYK TIFFs. > > Downloaded a copy with intention of using with Publisher. Replaced copy > of !TransTIFF in !CCShared and subsequently got complaints when > attempting to start !Publisher - "can't find !TransTIFF !Boot". Second > attempt works ok, so I guess something not being seen at the right time, > but what? This part is easy: When you run Publisher, it checks whether CCShared has been seen, and if not, it tries to locate !CCShared inside !System and runs its !Boot file. This only happens once because running !CCShared.!Boot sets up CCShared$Dir. This is all a hangover from the time when RISC OS did not have a mechanism for automatically Filer_Booting things, i.e., from before RISC OS 3.5. > !CCShared !Boot file has a command "Obey .!TransTIFF.!Boot" > and I'd assumed that should be changed to !TransTIFF+ , but makes no > difference. As David has pointed out, that should be !TranTIFF+.!Boot, *not* !TransTIFF+.!Boot. That should fix it. If not, check whether you have multiple copies of CCShared somewhere. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 21 14:26:07 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ep2Zi-1zfGPo-02-1InB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:26:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ep2Zi-1zfGPo-02-1InB; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:56:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ep2Zi-1zfGPo-02; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:56:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ep2Zi-0007cN-19; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:56:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ep2oy-0008P1-6N; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:11:53 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep2Y9-0001sf-OH for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:54:29 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.187] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep2Y9-0001sT-FR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:54:29 +0000 Received: from [62.180.24.251] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwpI-1Ep2Y80YWX-000743; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:54:28 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP and MP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:23:22 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: > This was the case with the Impression loader, most people batted it > away, "not good enough". Did they? Up to now, I though it was a spectacular success and all the comments I have seen on newsgroups were full of praise for it. I must have missed something there. > I see their point of view, but the experience shows that 90% > compatibility is not enough. It has shown much more than that for the files I have tried to import. Apart from frame borders that have to be adjusted and minor pagination changes due to some ever so subtle differences in the formatting engine (which is not the fault of the conversion process but simply inevitable when reformatting a document in a different application) it has worked perfectly for all the documents I have tried. OP's Impression import is certainly several orders of magnitude better than EasiWriter's Word import, which is one of its main selling points - but then, the document model of modern Word variants has deviated a lot from the baseline on which EW's Word import is based. So, Impression import was certainly the most exciting feature ever to be added to OvationPro and a big selling point. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 21 14:26:12 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ep3sC-21OVbs-05-rv9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:26:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ep3sC-21OVbs-05-rv9; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:19:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ep3sC-21OVbs-05; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:19:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ep3sC-0003Wz-4w; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:19:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ep4nu-0006t9-6d; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:18:54 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep3qp-000095-6L for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:17:51 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.132] (helo=pih-relay05.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep3qo-00008z-Tl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:17:50 +0000 Received: from penniceard.plus.com ([80.229.17.10] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ep3qk-0007h8-0T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:17:46 +0000 Message-ID: <43A955FB.1040105@penniceard.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:17:47 +0000 From: Roger Penniceard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Cursor visability References: <149.52f665b4.30d823a5@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <149.52f665b4.30d823a5@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Tomhopley@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 14/12/2005 13:18:48 GMT Standard Time, >roger@penniceard.co.uk writes: > > > > >>I often have difficulty locating the cursor when typing on my portable >>using OP. Is there any way of making it more visible? >> >>Thanks >> >>Roger >> >> >> > >If you're using Windows XP, go to Control Panel (Classic view) > Mouse. >Choose the Pointer Options tab and tick Show location of pointer when I press >the CTRL key. >I've just checked, and that works with OPW. >With Window 98, tick display pointer trails and adjust the trail length to >suit you. >HTH >TomH > > > Thank you for that. Yes it works. Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 21 14:26:14 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ep44f-48C000-01-18li."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:26:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ep44f-48C000-01-18li; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:32:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ep44f-48C000-01; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:32:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ep44f-0001IN-Ha; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:32:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ep50N-00009D-8z; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:31:47 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep43H-0002pt-3u for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:30:43 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.131] (helo=pih-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep43G-0002pK-Mk for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:30:42 +0000 Received: from penniceard.plus.com ([80.229.17.10] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ep43G-0004qz-75 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:30:42 +0000 Message-ID: <43A95906.7090004@penniceard.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:30:46 +0000 From: Roger Penniceard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Cursor visability References: <43A01ACD.5010802@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: >> Having seen no reply to Roger's question and having to cope with the >> same problem with OPro (Windows version) on a Dell notebook, I assume >> the answer is 'no'. > > > Obviously I have some reluctance to tackle this question... > > It depends what you want. > > (1) A choice of caret colour > > No problem. > > (2) A caret that contains more pixels e.g. two pixels wide. > > Easy to do, but possible redraw problems. > > (3) To see the caret > > What worries me about this is that on certain screens anything is > going to be difficult to see. In other words, being able to see the > caret easily is a good idea, but is it possible. Tell me is the caret > easy to see in other programs? > > Little known fact... > > Ctrl+Shift X is "return to caret" which makes the window scroll so > that the caret is visible. That may help you anyway, but it might be > possible to enhance it so that it flashed something on screen at the > same time. > > Martin is quite right that OP (on RISC OS) does not use the built in > caret. ISTR setting off to use it in 1990 and being very disappointed > with it. Hence OP does its own caret. > > Thanks for your comments David. I never had any problem with RISC OS it is just the windows version when I am negotiating a complex document I often have to go off the edge of the document to see the arrow head and then try to follow it back when it changes on the active page. A change in colour may help, it looks grey, black may be more visable but more pixels would possible be better. Can either of these be changed by the user or does it require programming? Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 21 14:26:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ep4pX-34Pknw-01-1P3s."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:26:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ep4pX-34Pknw-01-1P3s; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:20:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ep4pX-34Pknw-01; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:20:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ep4pW-0003b0-SR; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:20:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ep5lF-0006Ud-6c; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:20:13 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep4o1-0003Xz-Je for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:19:01 +0000 Received: from [83.146.21.8] (helo=cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep4o1-0003Xp-46 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:19:01 +0000 Received: by cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1002) id BAA0F1E45FB; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:19:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [84.9.232.231] (host-84-9-232-231.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.232.231]) by cht-smtp-002.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE26B1E45D0 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:18:58 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43A964AD.3000906@ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:20:29 +0000 From: Clive Bonsall User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Characters dialogue box References: <73BMRwGiOJmDFwSH@pilling.demon.co.uk> <73403ed64d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> <8RxtYIKgHMmDFwhg@pilling.demon.co.uk> <43A57341.6090804@ed.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Abuse: Please report all spam/abuse matters to abuse@bulldogdsl.com Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: >> Is it possible to increase the size of the "Characters" dialogue box? >> I use a 1600x1200 LCD display, and find it quite difficult to read the >> individual > > > I don't like the current design. > > I've left it alone because there will have to be a redesign when I allow > the use of Unicode text. > > I'll see what I can do in the meantime. Much appreciated. There's a similar problem with the Edit Style dialogue box -- as a result, the Style Summary text is too small/difficult to read. -- Clive Bonsall email: C.Bonsall@ed.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 21 14:45:14 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ep594-0WNknw-03-qeH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:45:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ep594-0WNknw-03-qeH; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:40:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ep594-0WNknw-03; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:40:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ep593-00053X-S0; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:40:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ep5F5-0008Jj-Jv; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:47:01 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep576-0000yv-Qz for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:38:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep576-0000xZ-Cc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:38:44 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ep50B-0006WA-JA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:31:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:37:20 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Cursor visability References: <43A01ACD.5010802@penniceard.co.uk> <43A95906.7090004@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <43A95906.7090004@penniceard.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Thanks for your comments David. I never had any problem with RISC OS it >is just the windows version when I am negotiating a complex document I >often have to go off the edge of the document to see the arrow head and >then try to follow it back when it changes on the active page. A change >in colour may help, it looks grey, black may be more visable but more >pixels would possible be better. Can either of these be changed by the >user or does it require programming? I think I'm getting confused here. There's the caret, and then there is the mouse pointer/cursor. My previous reply was about the caret. The mouse cursors are actually Acorn format sprites. There is nothing to stop the user extracting these from the .exe changing the design and putting them back. You'd need Reshacker (freeware off Google) and a RISC OS computer. There are no redraw issues at all with mouse cursors, make them as big and black as you like. You may be familiar with editing program resources like sprites and templates on RISC OS. On Windows you can do the same, the different is that the resources are inside the main .exe file. You need a program like Reshacker to get at them. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 21 14:45:16 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ep5D4-05bVbs-01-1XCr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:45:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ep5D4-05bVbs-01-1XCr; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:44:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ep5D4-05bVbs-01; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:44:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ep5D4-0005pa-9O; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:44:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ep5SL-0007r0-M1; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:00:43 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep5Bf-00041Y-FY for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:43:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep5Bf-00041K-4r for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:43:27 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ep5Be-000Eum-E6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:43:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:42:16 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP and MP References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >So, Impression import was certainly the most exciting feature ever to >be added to OvationPro and a big selling point. Put it this way, I have not sold many new copies of OP since it came out. It probably came out too late. I don't think I've had much luck converting the die hard Impression users. I think they are a few 1000 people who would be happy to support something similar to what you have done for ArtWorks. I'm puzzled why XAT have not got on with it. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 21 21:49:25 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ep80P-3EHVbs-06-wJS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:49:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ep80P-3EHVbs-06-wJS; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:44:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ep80P-3EHVbs-06; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:44:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ep80P-00010E-BG; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:44:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Ep8w8-000749-Dj; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:43:40 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep7yc-0003q5-EC for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:42:10 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.131] (helo=pih-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ep7yc-0003pv-2z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:42:10 +0000 Received: from penniceard.plus.com ([80.229.17.10] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Ep7yV-0007Xx-He for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:42:03 +0000 Message-ID: <43A993ED.9090709@penniceard.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:42:05 +0000 From: Roger Penniceard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Cursor visability References: <43A01ACD.5010802@penniceard.co.uk> <43A95906.7090004@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: >> Thanks for your comments David. I never had any problem with RISC OS >> it is just the windows version when I am negotiating a complex >> document I often have to go off the edge of the document to see the >> arrow head and then try to follow it back when it changes on the >> active page. A change in colour may help, it looks grey, black may be >> more visable but more pixels would possible be better. Can either of >> these be changed by the user or does it require programming? > > > I think I'm getting confused here. There's the caret, and then there > is the mouse pointer/cursor. > > My previous reply was about the caret. > > The mouse cursors are actually Acorn format sprites. There is nothing > to stop the user extracting these from the .exe changing the design > and putting them back. > > You'd need Reshacker (freeware off Google) and a RISC OS computer. > > There are no redraw issues at all with mouse cursors, make them as big > and black as you like. > > You may be familiar with editing program resources like sprites and > templates on RISC OS. On Windows you can do the same, the different is > that the resources are inside the main .exe file. You need a program > like Reshacker to get at them. > Let me make sure I have got this correct. The thing I can't see is the thing that looks like two square brackets back to back ][ only joined. I presume from what you have said that this is called the caret in which case I have been calling it by the wrong name. The arrow things are no problem. If I have understood, it is the arrow, the mouse cursers that can be edited but the ][ caret is more of a problem. Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 21 21:49:34 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpB2Y-1VzVbs-04-11np."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:49:34 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpB2Y-1VzVbs-04-11np; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:58:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpB2Y-1VzVbs-04; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:58:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpB2Y-0001B5-Jk; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:58:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpB2W-0001ID-UA; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:58:25 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpB0b-0008Tv-H3 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:56:25 +0000 Received: from [203.10.1.142] (helo=vscan03.westnet.com.au) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpB0a-0008TX-Oe for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:56:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CDBCB6010A for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:56:22 +0800 (WST) Received: from vscan03.westnet.com.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (vscan03.westnet.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17252-02 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:56:22 +0800 (WST) Received: from [10.1.1.2] (dsl-220-235-100-53.nsw.westnet.com.au [220.235.100.53]) by vscan03.westnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F76B60714 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 04:56:21 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <43A9C177.1080207@westnet.com.au> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:56:23 +1100 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Importing References: <56fd48dc4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <282f70dc4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <282f70dc4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) So it looks like there is not easy path to get vector drawings imported into Ovation Pro for Windows? Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales, Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 21 21:49:38 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpBRV-0GLGPo-03-ssM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:49:38 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpBRV-0GLGPo-03-ssM; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:24:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpBRV-0GLGPo-03; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:24:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpBRV-0003ru-Is; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:24:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpAWy-0005tJ-7x; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:25:49 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpBPf-00029t-HT for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:22:19 +0000 Received: from [212.74.114.38] (helo=mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpBPf-00029f-32 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:22:19 +0000 Received: from 88-105-185-35.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.185.35]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 21 Dec 2005 21:22:16 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAFhUqUOCFIU1AQ Received: from 88-105-185-35.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.185.35]:10890 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EpBPc-00099X-Ds for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:22:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:23:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Importing Message-ID: <4ddceb6f6fdfs@ukgateway.net> References: <56fd48dc4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <282f70dc4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <43A9C177.1080207@westnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <43A9C177.1080207@westnet.com.au> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <43A9C177.1080207@westnet.com.au>, Peter Prewett wrote: > So it looks like there is not easy path to get vector drawings imported > into Ovation Pro for Windows? > Peter Pardon... I often put Drawfile graphics into the Win version of Ovation Pro, just make sure the file has the dot3 extension of AFF WMF and EMF also work. Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 21 21:49:39 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpBgC-4Ku000-07-bad."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:49:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpBgC-4Ku000-07-bad; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:39:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpBgC-4Ku000-07; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:39:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpBgC-0001U3-0Y; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:39:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpBgA-00089E-Hi; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:39:23 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpBen-0006gb-36 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:37:57 +0000 Received: from [203.10.1.142] (helo=vscan03.westnet.com.au) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpBem-0006gP-6B for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:37:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C80B60AEE for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:37:54 +0800 (WST) Received: from vscan03.westnet.com.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (vscan03.westnet.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20665-05-4 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:37:54 +0800 (WST) Received: from [10.1.1.2] (dsl-220-235-100-53.nsw.westnet.com.au [220.235.100.53]) by vscan03.westnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3083B60840 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:37:53 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <43A9CB33.8090202@westnet.com.au> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:37:55 +1100 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: software list Subject: [softwarelist] converting OP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have a relative in the UK that wants to put on a web site a document I created in Ovation Pro. I have sent a PDF but he is having problems as he want to edit it in Windows. Any suggestions on how to do it please. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales, Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 21 21:49:40 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpBix-4H4Vbs-08-117Q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:49:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpBix-4H4Vbs-08-117Q; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:42:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpBix-4H4Vbs-08; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:42:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpBix-0003dh-Mo; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:42:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpAoQ-0000Dk-Fs; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:43:51 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpBhc-0007AR-GE for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:40:52 +0000 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpBhc-0007AK-6m for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:40:52 +0000 Received: from du-003-0146.freeuk.com ([212.126.145.146] helo=helvellyn) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EpBhb-000A9o-7F for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:40:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:58:18 GMT From: Steve Fryatt To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Cursor visability Message-ID: <422ddedc4d.steve@helvellyn.stevefryatt.org.uk> References: <43A01ACD.5010802@penniceard.co.uk> <43A95906.7090004@penniceard.co.uk> <43A993ED.9090709@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <43A993ED.9090709@penniceard.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 21 Dec, Roger Penniceard wrote in message <43A993ED.9090709@penniceard.co.uk>: > David Pilling wrote: > > > > Thanks for your comments David. I never had any problem with RISC OS > > > it is just the windows version when I am negotiating a complex > > > document I often have to go off the edge of the document to see the > > > arrow head and then try to follow it back when it changes on the > > > active page. A change in colour may help, it looks grey, black may > > > be more visable but more pixels would possible be better. Can > > > either of these be changed by the user or does it require > > > programming? > > > > > > I think I'm getting confused here. There's the caret, and then there > > is the mouse pointer/cursor. > > > > My previous reply was about the caret. [snip] > Let me make sure I have got this correct. The thing I can't see is the > thing that looks like two square brackets back to back ][ only joined. I > presume from what you have said that this is called the caret in which > case I have been calling it by the wrong name. The arrow things are no > problem. If I have understood, it is the arrow, the mouse cursers that > can be edited but the ][ caret is more of a problem. To be specific, you either mean the 'mouse pointer', which moves when you move the mouse around, or the 'caret', which indicates where typed text will go. In your text above, you say "I often have to go off the edge of the document to see the arrow head and then try to follow it back when it changes on the active page", which to me suggests you mean the mouse pointer. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 21 21:59:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpBrb-0dbVbs-06-10ym."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:59:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpBrb-0dbVbs-06-10ym; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:51:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpBrb-0dbVbs-06; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:51:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpBrb-0000nw-NG; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:51:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpAn7-00042V-4u; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:42:30 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpBpp-0008CD-W8 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:49:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpBpp-0008C6-RG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:49:21 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EpBpp-000FoU-0e for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:49:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:50:52 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Cursor visability References: <43A01ACD.5010802@penniceard.co.uk> <43A95906.7090004@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >The mouse cursors are actually Acorn format sprites. Rubbish! They're actually Windows .cur files. All the rest is correct. Makes things easier, all you need is a Windows .ico/.cur editor rather than having to trip them back to RISC OS. Looking at the designs, yes they are faint. Changing from grey to black would probably make things a lot better. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 21 22:09:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpC15-3MR000-01-1HsK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:09:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpC15-3MR000-01-1HsK; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:01:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpC15-3MR000-01; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:01:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpC15-0001xS-Ih; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:00:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpCw9-0007gT-Uo; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:59:58 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpByy-0000Q5-EQ for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:58:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpByy-0000Q0-A7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:58:48 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EpByx-000Lnw-9I for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:58:48 +0000 Message-ID: <9Bjt8sJY$cqDFwA3@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:57:44 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] converting OP References: <43A9CB33.8090202@westnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <43A9CB33.8090202@westnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <43A9CB33.8090202@westnet.com.au>, Peter Prewett writes >I have a relative in the UK that wants to put on a web site a document >I created in Ovation Pro. It all depends on how complicated the document is. PDF you've talked about. Another option is OvHTML from: http://www.heyrick.co.uk/software/ovhtmlwin.html Presumably your relative could install OP for Windows on the try out basis and edit away (for the next two months). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 02:09:33 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpFkG-2BMGPo-02-15cd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:09:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpFkG-2BMGPo-02-15cd; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:59:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpFkG-2BMGPo-02; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:59:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpFkG-0006yL-1E; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:59:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpGg1-0006Qc-8R; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 02:59:33 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpFir-0000fP-In for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:58:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpFir-0000fD-6r for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:58:25 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EpFiq-000MaY-2e; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:58:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 01:57:01 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Cursor visability References: <43A01ACD.5010802@penniceard.co.uk> <43A95906.7090004@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've made the mouse pointers bolder, and uploaded the resulting new version of OPW to: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/main.html -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 14:32:40 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpPkt-08qGPo-02-eYy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:32:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpPkt-08qGPo-02-eYy; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:41:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpPkt-08qGPo-02; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:41:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpPkt-0004t7-AX; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:41:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpQgh-0005rj-Vb; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:40:56 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpPjL-0007aA-II for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:39:35 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpPjL-0007a0-6E for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:39:35 +0000 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051222123930.PHTE8609.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:39:30 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.9.212.163]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051222123930.FYFH774.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:39:30 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP and MP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:46:09 +0100 Message-ID: <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>So, Impression import was certainly the most exciting feature ever to >>be added to OvationPro and a big selling point. > > Put it this way, I have not sold many new copies of OP since it came > out. > > It probably came out too late. > OP is a fantastic DTP program with many more features than Impressions and if you are a died hard Impression users then get a trial copy of OP. It is so much ahead of it's rivals. You will never go back to Impressions after you have used OP. Take one simple example you can access hundreds of colour or should I say thousands so easily as you are preparing a document and then you can drop JPegs in without another program. It has a Imp program converter which does what is says on the tin. Fantastic package Alan -- Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 14:32:42 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpQ73-2yd000-06-mjK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:32:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpQ73-2yd000-06-mjK; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:04:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpQ73-2yd000-06; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:04:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpQ73-0001V8-79; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:04:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpR2s-0000T0-7M; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:03:50 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpQ5b-0003H6-Gb for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:02:35 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.157] (helo=smtp2.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpQ5b-0003H0-5N for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:02:35 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3108.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 774D7580008D for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:02:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from Iyonix.freeuk.com (user-932.lns2-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.66.195.164]) by mwinf3108.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 408995800088 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:02:34 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051222130234264.408995800088@mwinf3108.me.freeserve.com Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP and MP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Kevin Corney X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.09 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:02:29 GMT Message-ID: <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.27 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> Alan Leighton wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > >> > OP is a fantastic DTP program with many more features than Impressions > and if you are a died hard Impression users then get a trial copy of > OP. Agreed. >It is so much ahead of it's rivals. You will never go back to > Impressions after you have used OP. Agreed. >Take one simple example you can > access hundreds of colour or should I say thousands so easily as you > are preparing a document and then you can drop JPegs in without > another program. It has a Imp program converter which does what is > says on the tin. Agreed. > > Fantastic package Agreed. David, Perhaps you could entice people over to OPro by offering them a discount if they hand in their Impression master discs. That's what CC originally did to entice me into the Impression fold! :-) Kevin -- Kevin Corney, Emley, West Yorkshire, HD8 9RG Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten. - W. Ulbricht -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 14:52:06 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpRiG-4ZIVbs-08-1Rkh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:52:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpRiG-4ZIVbs-08-1Rkh; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:46:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpRiG-4ZIVbs-08; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:46:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpRiG-0001Ts-QO; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:46:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpRxY-00072q-FV; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:02:26 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpRfx-0006bC-Sk for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:44:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpRfx-0006av-Iz for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:44:13 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EpRZ2-000H2B-Io for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:37:05 +0000 Message-ID: <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:42:39 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP and MP References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Perhaps you could entice people over to OPro by offering them a >discount if they hand in their Impression master discs. That's what CC >originally did to entice me into the Impression fold! :-) I have a dim memory that Beebug did do this at some point. The problem then was that many people had more than one set of Impression discs. Today, with 60,000 copies of Impression sold, and 3,000 users of RISC OS left, the situation has not improved 8-) Thanks for the kind comments. I think it is quite understandable that people want to stick with what works. That is why only 100% compatibility with Impression is good enough for many. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 15:12:06 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpS55-0Ds000-03-cEm."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:12:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpS55-0Ds000-03-cEm; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:10:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpS55-0Ds000-03; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:10:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpS55-0006sU-Bp; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:10:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpT0v-0007Q5-2r; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:09:57 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpS3i-0001so-IV for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:08:46 +0000 Received: from [195.121.247.7] (helo=smtp16.wxs.nl) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpS3i-0001sd-4q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:08:46 +0000 Received: from iyonix (ip51cc4b49.speed.planet.nl [81.204.75.73]) by smtp16.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IRW001I9NELH8@smtp16.wxs.nl> for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:08:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:08:43 +0100 From: Paul Sprangers Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP In-reply-to: <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Message-id: <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Pluto/3.04a (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.04-pre2 References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > Today, with 60,000 copies of Impression sold, and 3,000 users of RISC OS > left, the situation has not improved 8-) Are these figures valid?! Are there really only 3,000 users of RISC OS left? Good heavens, then the situation is almost as bad as some people always stated. On the other hand, 60,000 copies of a single product give us a bright past, something to be proud of. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 15:22:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpSBX-1pMGPo-04-keq."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:22:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpSBX-1pMGPo-04-keq; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:16:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpSBX-1pMGPo-04; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:16:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpSBX-0004Gl-6Q; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:16:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpT7M-0008DK-QD; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:16:37 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpSAB-0002mv-Hl for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:15:27 +0000 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpSAB-0002mj-9e for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:15:27 +0000 Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBMFFQci008673 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:15:26 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:15:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com>, Alan Leighton wrote: [Snip] > OP is a fantastic DTP program with many more features than > Impressions ... You will never go back to Impressions after > you have used OP. You certainly can. I did. I sold my copy of OP and bought EasiWriter but I still mainly use Impression Publisher! IOW, Alan, there are many more factors than the features lists in balancing the attractiveness and utility of competing applications. But as it's Christmas shall we agree to differ rather than start a war? Season's greetings and good wishes to David and all denizens of this very interesting mail list. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 15:42:14 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpSR0-2uVGPo-04-1ZYT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:42:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpSR0-2uVGPo-04-1ZYT; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:32:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpSR0-2uVGPo-04; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:32:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpSQz-0007hH-Ry; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:32:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpSgH-0004jw-V6; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:48:40 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpSPZ-0005ga-9Y for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:31:21 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.48] (helo=mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpSPY-0005gR-R7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:31:20 +0000 Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051222153120.WKME17804.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:31:20 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.9.212.163]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051222153120.IOKV1068.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:31:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:37:55 +0100 Message-ID: <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> Brian Carroll wrote: > In article <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com>, Alan Leighton > wrote: > > [Snip] > >> OP is a fantastic DTP program with many more features than >> Impressions ... You will never go back to Impressions after >> you have used OP. > > You certainly can. I did. I sold my copy of OP and bought > EasiWriter but I still mainly use Impression Publisher! > EasiWriter is a word processor and is very different to OP and Impressions. I have all three. The point I was making was that OP is still being developed and supported and therefore I feel it should get our support. The problem is that OP has a different feel about it and it runs in a different way but once you have mastered it you will never IMHO revert to IMP. > IOW, Alan, there are many more factors than the features lists > in balancing the attractiveness and utility of competing > applications. But as it's Christmas shall we agree to differ > rather than start a war? Hmm this is softwarelist@davidpilling.net guess that is the place to give such support. > > Season's greetings and good wishes to David and all denizens of > this very interesting mail list. And to you Brian and everyone else who reads this. Er what is a denizen? Alan -- Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 16:02:09 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpSm8-0kfVbs-02-sal."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:02:09 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpSm8-0kfVbs-02-sal; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:54:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpSm8-0kfVbs-02; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:54:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpSm8-0003Yu-GS; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:54:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpSm6-0004sv-Hb; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:54:39 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpSkj-0003mh-FO for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:53:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpSkj-0003mb-2l for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:53:13 +0000 Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EpSki-000LBJ-CB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:53:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:54:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP and MP Message-ID: <4ddd5125a2charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com>, Alan Leighton wrote: > In message > David Pilling wrote: > >>So, Impression import was certainly the most exciting feature ever to > >>be added to OvationPro and a big selling point. > > > > Put it this way, I have not sold many new copies of OP since it came > > out. > > > > It probably came out too late. > > > OP is a fantastic DTP program with many more features than Impressions > and if you are a died hard Impression users then get a trial copy of > OP. It is so much ahead of it's rivals. You will never go back to > Impressions after you have used OP. Take one simple example you can > access hundreds of colour or should I say thousands so easily as you > are preparing a document and then you can drop JPegs in without > another program. It has a Imp program converter which does what is > says on the tin. My only sadness, on moving to OP, was the loss of the very flexible and friendly Tab settings in Impression. -- >From KT24 - in "leafy" Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 16:22:10 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpT7T-1wIGPo-06-bCO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:22:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpT7T-1wIGPo-06-bCO; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:16:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpT7T-1wIGPo-06; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:16:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpT7S-0001fK-Pt; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:16:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpTD3-0005nc-MZ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:22:31 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpT55-0006WO-R3 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:14:15 +0000 Received: from [195.188.213.5] (helo=smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpT55-0006WA-Gy for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:14:15 +0000 Received: from Iyonix ([82.34.222.136]) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:15:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:15:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap 1.46 (24 Mar 2003) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.27 (21 Mar 2003) test-6 (32) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2005 16:15:11.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[E25EB0A0:01C60712] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com>, Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> > Brian Carroll wrote: > > In article <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com>, Alan Leighton > > wrote: > > > > [Snip] > > > >> OP is a fantastic DTP program with many more features than > >> Impressions ... You will never go back to Impressions after > >> you have used OP. > > > > You certainly can. I did. I sold my copy of OP and bought > > EasiWriter but I still mainly use Impression Publisher! > EasiWriter is a word processor and is very different to OP and > Impressions. I have all three. The point I was making was that OP is > still being developed and supported and therefore I feel it should get > our support. The problem is that OP has a different feel about it and > it runs in a different way but once you have mastered it you will > never IMHO revert to IMP. All agreed; but it seems to be very difficult to get Impression users to even try serious work on OPro, so they often just don't get to the point of making the transition. I did, and wouldn't go back; and I suspect this would be the case for a fair number (though not all, admittedly) remaining Impression users if they were just to give it a whirl. > > IOW, Alan, there are many more factors than the features lists > > in balancing the attractiveness and utility of competing > > applications. But as it's Christmas shall we agree to differ > > rather than start a war? > Hmm this is softwarelist@davidpilling.net guess that is the place to > give such support. I cannot argue against that... > > Season's greetings and good wishes to David and all denizens of > > this very interesting mail list. > And to you Brian and everyone else who reads this. Er what is a > denizen? Ah, it's a hidden place where followers of a particular type of Buddhism meet ;-) -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers Read my "Councilling RISC OS" series in Qercus, from Issue 276 onward -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 16:32:11 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpTGd-2HBVbs-07-199I."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:32:11 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpTGd-2HBVbs-07-199I; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:26:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpTGd-2HBVbs-07; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:26:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpTGd-00028d-8s; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:26:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpTGN-0000UQ-4j; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:25:56 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpT7M-0006ok-Ar for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:16:36 +0000 Received: from [195.188.213.6] (helo=smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpT7L-0006n9-PA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:16:35 +0000 Received: from Iyonix ([82.34.222.136]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:17:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:18:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <4ddd535ac1john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4ddd5125a2charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd5125a2charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2005 16:17:10.0884 (UTC) FILETIME=[2982AA40:01C60713] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4ddd5125a2charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: > My only sadness, on moving to OP, was the loss of the very flexible > and friendly Tab settings in Impression. I don't have any problems with this in OPro, apart from having the dialgue boxes often open over where the ruler is, and then having to move them. -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers Read my "Councilling RISC OS" series in Qercus, from Issue 276 onward -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 16:32:12 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpTHG-0oFknw-03-10c9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:32:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpTHG-0oFknw-03-10c9; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:26:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpTHG-0oFknw-03; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:26:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpTHF-0001g4-Ru; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:26:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpTWY-0004BN-2C; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:42:39 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpTAh-0007Dh-E8 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:20:03 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpTAf-0007CQ-Lc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:20:02 +0000 Received: from iyonix (dsl82-163-120-21.as15444.net [82.163.120.21]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBMGJe3R019639 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:19:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pv To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:15:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <4ddd532342lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-mx1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.006, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > Are these figures valid?! Are there really only 3,000 users of RISC OS > left? Good heavens, then the situation is almost as bad as some people > always stated. I'm not sure. I've got nearly 3000 people still on the Ant mailing list, and I'd have thought that Ant users would be a minority as far as RISC OS users go these days! -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ The quickest way to double your money is to fold it and put it back in your pocket. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 16:32:15 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpTKu-2sOGPo-06-1Q83."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:32:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpTKu-2sOGPo-06-1Q83; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:30:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpTKu-2sOGPo-06; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:30:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpTKt-0003xM-U4; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:30:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpSQK-0000nT-Te; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:32:10 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpTJI-0000OZ-0H for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:28:56 +0000 Received: from [62.241.163.6] (helo=astro.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpTJH-0000Nf-6J for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:28:55 +0000 Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEF1E000066 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:28:54 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20051222162540.01dbc218@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:27:56 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP In-Reply-To: <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1CF6E1E Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 14:37 22/12/2005, Alan Leighton wrote: >[snip] > >And to you Brian and everyone else who reads this. Er what is a >denizen? You mean you don't have !Dict on your RISC OS machine? After all the pushing that Paul B did for !Dict, shame on you! :o) I do like John Ward's definition. Merry Christmas. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 21/12/2005 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 16:32:16 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpTM2-0RfVbs-01-193t."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:32:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpTM2-0RfVbs-01-193t; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:31:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpTM2-0RfVbs-01; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:31:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpTM2-000664-CU; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:31:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpTM1-00024I-1J; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:31:46 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpTKc-0000wU-Ff for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:30:18 +0000 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpTKb-0000wM-Um for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:30:18 +0000 Received: from iyonix.marshall.abelgratis.net (i-83-67-85-66.freedom2surf.net [83.67.85.66]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBMGUGch008974 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:30:17 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Importing To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Marshall X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:00:47 GMT Message-ID: References: <56fd48dc4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <282f70dc4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <43A9C177.1080207@westnet.com.au> <4ddceb6f6fdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ddceb6f6fdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b3 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by outmail.freedom2surf.net id jBMGUGch008974 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4ddceb6f6fdfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <43A9C177.1080207@westnet.com.au>, > Peter Prewett wrote: >> So it looks like there is not easy path to get vector drawings importe= d >> into Ovation Pro for Windows? >=20 >> Peter >=20 > Pardon... > I often put Drawfile graphics into the Win version of Ovation Pro, just > make sure the file has the dot3 extension of AFF >=20 > WMF and EMF also work. >=20 > Dave S >=20 I've just sent the following message to Archive-on-Line. Not being in the least artistic, I confine my "artwork" to !Draw but occasionally have to send vector files to my PC colleagues. While !DrawtoWMF works after a fashion, it is not perfect. For those who have to transfer !Draw files to PC owners, I noticed that the January issue of Personal Computer World has Xara XS available on its cover CD-ROM as Xara XS has been replaced by Xara Xtreme. PCW also has =A31.00 off its cover price. So, for the princely sum of =A32.75, you can now get a program to convert the .aff (Draw) files. Regards, Alan. Sorry, not much use in Australia :-( --=20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 16:42:14 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpTRq-0t4Vbs-01-10RZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:42:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpTRq-0t4Vbs-01-10RZ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:37:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpTRq-0t4Vbs-01; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:37:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpTRp-00061Y-Rw; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:37:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpTXj-000117-9m; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:43:52 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpTQS-0003LJ-NU for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:36:20 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpTQS-0003L6-CB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:36:20 +0000 Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EpTQR-000PyR-1t for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:36:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:38:39 GMT From: David W Mills To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> John M Ward wrote: > In article <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com>, > Alan Leighton wrote: > > In message <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> > > Brian Carroll wrote: > > > In article <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com>, Alan Leighton > > > wrote: > > > > > > [Snip] > > > > > >> OP is a fantastic DTP program with many more features than > > >> Impressions ... You will never go back to Impressions after > > >> you have used OP. > > > > > > You certainly can. I did. I sold my copy of OP and bought > > > EasiWriter but I still mainly use Impression Publisher! > > > EasiWriter is a word processor and is very different to OP and > > Impressions. I have all three. The point I was making was that OP is > > still being developed and supported and therefore I feel it should get > > our support. The problem is that OP has a different feel about it and > > it runs in a different way but once you have mastered it you will > > never IMHO revert to IMP. > > All agreed; but it seems to be very difficult to get Impression users to > even try serious work on OPro, so they often just don't get to the point > of making the transition. I did, and wouldn't go back; and I suspect > this would be the case for a fair number (though not all, admittedly) > remaining Impression users if they were just to give it a whirl. > > > > IOW, Alan, there are many more factors than the features lists > > > in balancing the attractiveness and utility of competing > > > applications. But as it's Christmas shall we agree to differ > > > rather than start a war? > > > Hmm this is softwarelist@davidpilling.net guess that is the place to > > give such support. > > I cannot argue against that... > > > > Season's greetings and good wishes to David and all denizens of > > > this very interesting mail list. > > > And to you Brian and everyone else who reads this. Er what is a > > denizen? > > Ah, it's a hidden place where followers of a particular type of Buddhism > meet ;-) > GROAN! I tried both and long ago voted for OPro!.... Just can't get the darkside users to take it up very often! Solstice Wishes David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 16:42:16 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpTVg-1sLknw-03-rrD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:42:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpTVg-1sLknw-03-rrD; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:41:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpTVg-1sLknw-03; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:41:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpTVf-0006VN-Rl; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:41:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpSb7-0003nb-IK; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:43:18 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpTUH-0004Tl-MR for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:40:17 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.133] (helo=pih-relay06.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpTUH-0004TX-7u for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:40:17 +0000 Received: from penniceard.plus.com ([80.229.17.10] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EpTUG-0007QK-Jo for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:40:16 +0000 Message-ID: <43AAD6F4.5090202@penniceard.co.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:40:20 +0000 From: Roger Penniceard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Cursor visability References: <43A01ACD.5010802@penniceard.co.uk> <43A95906.7090004@penniceard.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > I've made the mouse pointers bolder, and uploaded the resulting new > version of OPW to: > > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/main.html > > Thank you very much David that is exactly what I wanted and as a bonus I think I have learnt the difference between a cursor and a caret. You don't get that sort of service with most windows software. Thanks again, Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 16:52:12 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpTWY-07Tknw-04-1gzR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:52:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpTWY-07Tknw-04-1gzR; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:42:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpTWY-07Tknw-04; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:42:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpTWY-0007Iv-Eo; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:42:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpTWX-0004Fv-3Z; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:42:38 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpTVD-0004fl-9V for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:41:15 +0000 Received: from [195.7.228.19] (helo=flame.hosts.ndo.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpTVD-0004fe-3H for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:41:15 +0000 Received: from 156.251-7-195.ippool.ndo.com ([195.7.251.156] helo=[192.168.2.2]) by flame.hosts.ndo.com with esmtp (NDO SMTP Pool (Abuse to: abuse@ndo.com)) id 1EpTVC-0001bT-00 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:41:14 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:41:13 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP From: Mike Williams To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Without repeating all that has been said to date, at least (working for Beebug) I was very familiar and comfortable with (the original) Ovation, but when I launched Acorn Publisher I felt I had to convert to Impression, which had more features geared towards serious publishing. That took quite a lot of effort to achieve the same level of familiarity. However, when Ovation Pro appeared I made the decision to change again, and go through the learning curve again. For serious publishing I do feel OP is superior, particularly the use of referenced images for large documents. It certainly isn't the feature list but the best set of features for the job in hand. If what you have does your job well then there is little incentive to change. However, the continuing support that David Pilling provides for OP is and was a major reason why I supported OP within the Acorn Publisher context, and why I would continue to support it now. Mike Williams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 16:52:15 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpTcR-0ggknw-08-1gtY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:52:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpTcR-0ggknw-08-1gtY; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:48:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpTcR-0ggknw-08; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:48:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpTcQ-0003dS-Tv; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:48:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpShs-0004zE-5K; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:50:17 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpTb4-0005pQ-JH for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:47:18 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.133] (helo=pih-relay06.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpTb4-0005pG-9R for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:47:18 +0000 Received: from penniceard.plus.com ([80.229.17.10] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EpTb3-0002fZ-P6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:47:17 +0000 Message-ID: <43AAD89B.4060909@penniceard.co.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:47:23 +0000 From: Roger Penniceard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] OP and MP References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd5125a2charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ddd5125a2charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) charles wrote: >In article <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com>, > Alan Leighton wrote: > > >>In message >> David Pilling wrote: >> >> > > > >>>>So, Impression import was certainly the most exciting feature ever to >>>>be added to OvationPro and a big selling point. >>>> >>>> >>>Put it this way, I have not sold many new copies of OP since it came >>>out. >>> >>>It probably came out too late. >>> >>> >>> >>OP is a fantastic DTP program with many more features than Impressions >>and if you are a died hard Impression users then get a trial copy of >>OP. It is so much ahead of it's rivals. You will never go back to >>Impressions after you have used OP. Take one simple example you can >>access hundreds of colour or should I say thousands so easily as you >>are preparing a document and then you can drop JPegs in without >>another program. It has a Imp program converter which does what is >>says on the tin. >> >> > >My only sadness, on moving to OP, was the loss of the very flexible and >friendly Tab settings in Impression. > > > That was my only regret as well. Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 17:02:12 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpTjJ-1EVknw-08-18gc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:02:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpTjJ-1EVknw-08-18gc; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:55:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpTjJ-1EVknw-08; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:55:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpTjJ-0005lj-4g; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:55:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpSej-0002Fi-Na; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 15:47:02 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpThu-0006jo-Uu for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:54:23 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpThu-0006jh-Ng for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:54:22 +0000 Received: from penniceard.plus.com ([80.229.17.10] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by ptb-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EpThu-00081p-5c for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:54:22 +0000 Message-ID: <43AADA43.1060504@penniceard.co.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:54:27 +0000 From: Roger Penniceard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] converting OP References: <43A9CB33.8090202@westnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <43A9CB33.8090202@westnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Peter Prewett wrote: > I have a relative in the UK that wants to put on a web site a document > I created in Ovation Pro. > > I have sent a PDF but he is having problems as he want to edit it in > Windows. > > Any suggestions on how to do it please. > > Peter He could download the demo version of Ovation Pro for Windows edit it in that then change it to a PDF or whatever himself. Who knows he might like OPW so much he might buy a copy. Roger -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 17:42:13 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpUOz-2fDGPo-07-1GXS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:42:13 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpUOz-2fDGPo-07-1GXS; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:38:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpUOz-2fDGPo-07; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:38:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpUOz-0004fV-9r; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:38:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpUOx-0004oA-SA; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:38:53 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpUNd-00065t-8h for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:37:29 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpUNc-00065o-Ui for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:37:29 +0000 Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051222173728.KQWF21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:37:28 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.9.212.163]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051222173728.KLRX1068.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:37:28 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:44:05 +0100 Message-ID: <78b955dd4d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20051222162540.01dbc218@mail.btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20051222162540.01dbc218@mail.btinternet.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <6.0.3.0.2.20051222162540.01dbc218@mail.btinternet.com> Phillip Marsden wrote: > At 14:37 22/12/2005, Alan Leighton wrote: > >>[snip] >> >>And to you Brian and everyone else who reads this. Er what is a >>denizen? > > You mean you don't have !Dict on your RISC OS machine? After all the > pushing that Paul B did for !Dict, shame on you! :o) > > I do like John Ward's definition. Merry Christmas. > Hang on I have the program and this is what it said: No definitions found for "denizens", perhaps you mean: in dict.orggcide: Denizen wn: denizen moby-thes: denizen bouvier: DENIZEN Now that lost me. Alan -- Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 18:12:14 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpUqp-28y000-02-17Z6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:12:14 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpUqp-28y000-02-17Z6; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:07:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpUqp-28y000-02; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:07:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpUqp-00007T-DH; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:07:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpUqo-0008L8-0y; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:07:39 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpUpL-0001QM-Rg for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:06:07 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpUpK-0001QE-JW for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:06:06 +0000 Received: from 213.130.142.11 (du213-130-142-11.as15444.net [213.130.142.11]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id jBMI5oVK003012 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:05:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr S A O Yandell To: software list Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:14:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] converting OP Message-ID: <4ddd271747steyan@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <43A9CB33.8090202@westnet.com.au> References: <43A9CB33.8090202@westnet.com.au> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain X-mx1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.714, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL -0.08, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.21, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.53) X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamScore: 1 X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <43A9CB33.8090202@westnet.com.au>, Peter Prewett wrote: > I have a relative in the UK that wants to put on a web site a document I > created in Ovation Pro. > I have sent a PDF but he is having problems as he want to edit it in > Windows. > Any suggestions on how to do it please. > Peter Serif's PagePlus 11 claims to be anle to edit PDF files. HTH Steve Yandell -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 18:32:15 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpV9O-3PE000-02-yk1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:32:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpV9O-3PE000-02-yk1; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:26:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpV9O-3PE000-02; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:26:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpV9O-0000jq-E9; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:26:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpV9N-0002NT-3V; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:26:50 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpV82-0003Tz-Bu for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:25:26 +0000 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpV82-0003Tt-2t for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:25:26 +0000 Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jBMIPPch026760 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:25:25 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:24:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <4ddd5961a2bric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com>, Alan Leighton wrote: [Snip] > ... Er what is a denizen? Many dictionary definitions but how about "a person who inhabits a particular place" from WordNet. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 18:32:15 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpVAF-2XIVbs-08-1OIi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:32:15 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpVAF-2XIVbs-08-1OIi; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:27:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpVAF-2XIVbs-08; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:27:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpVAF-0007mP-6o; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:27:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpVG8-0008BE-6T; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:33:49 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpV8s-0003fL-1d for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:26:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpV8r-0003fF-Pn for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:26:17 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EpV8r-0002Ug-KZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:26:17 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:24:46 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPScan 1.23 for RISC OS References: <155887d24d.zed@orcon.co.nz> In-Reply-To: <155887d24d.zed@orcon.co.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: Richard Torrens In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > DPlngScan 1.23 for RISC OS is available from: > http://www.davidpilling.net/sc123.zip > This lets you save the aspect lock setting for the image scale facility. > It also uses a newer TIFF library. So you can now save/load CMYK TIFF > files. Downloaded, did the upgrade. Run !DPlngscan Title : Error Task : Unknown task Message : No writable memory at this address Any ideas? This with Select. But I have no problems with 1.22. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www sites http://www.4QD.co.uk http://www.4QDtec.com http://www.4QD.org All email addresses are copyright. Resale or use on any lists is expressly forbidden ---------- We use a RISC PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 18:42:16 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpVJJ-00cVbs-05-1Fd8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:42:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpVJJ-00cVbs-05-1Fd8; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:37:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpVJJ-00cVbs-05; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:37:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpVJJ-0004zT-6g; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:37:05 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpUEj-0001Ie-BQ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:28:18 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVHw-0006ra-U5 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:35:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVHw-0006rL-FG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:35:40 +0000 Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EpVHw-0003dK-Ja for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:35:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:37:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <4ddd6014c0charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ddd5961a2bric@f2s.com> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd5961a2bric@f2s.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4ddd5961a2bric@f2s.com>, Brian Carroll wrote: > In article <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com>, Alan Leighton > wrote: > [Snip] > > ... Er what is a denizen? > Many dictionary definitions but how about "a person who inhabits > a particular place" from WordNet. A citizen lives in a city so a denizen lives in a den ? -- >From KT24 - in "leafy" Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 18:42:16 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpVKy-3Xp000-07-q1v."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:42:16 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpVKy-3Xp000-07-q1v; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:38:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpVKy-3Xp000-07; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:38:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpVKy-0004hE-D7; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:38:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpWGp-0006Jy-4l; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:38:35 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVJI-0007Ff-QF for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:37:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVJI-0007FY-KQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:37:04 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EpVJI-000PDh-7W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:37:04 +0000 Message-ID: <3RFvYZGCIvqDFwRw@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:35:46 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl> <4ddd532342lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4ddd532342lists-nospam@vigay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Are these figures valid?! Are there really only 3,000 users of RISC OS >> left? Good heavens, then the situation is almost as bad as some people >> always stated. > >I'm not sure. I've got nearly 3000 people still on the Ant mailing list, >and I'd have thought that Ant users would be a minority as far as RISC OS >users go these days! 3000 subscribers is very impressive. My experience is that mail lists tend to weed themselves, because people change email addresses frequently, and the old addresses have to be removed. So presumably that is 3000 people still interested. The numbers I quoted were just a rough guess. I'd believe 75,000 and 5,000. However, if I thought there were more than 10,000 RISC OS users, I'd go back to writing software for it ;-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 18:52:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpVTo-46k000-07-1FSd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:52:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpVTo-46k000-07-1FSd; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:47:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpVTo-46k000-07; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:47:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpVTo-0006iV-Ej; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:47:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpWPf-0007Qr-5u; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:47:43 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVSU-0000JS-2O for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:46:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVST-0000JL-UG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:46:33 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EpVKz-0000ZG-6H for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:38:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:45:12 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPScan 1.23 for RISC OS References: <155887d24d.zed@orcon.co.nz> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Downloaded, did the upgrade. Run !DPlngscan >Message : No writable memory at this address >This with Select. But I have no problems with 1.22. Lack of memory? There has been a bit of messing about with recent versions, assume a 2MB wimp slot. Or it might be some sort of problem with the upgrade. I can email you a complete copy direct if you like - tell me a private email address that is not spam filtered. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 18:52:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpVWD-40RVbs-08-yNC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:52:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpVWD-40RVbs-08-yNC; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:50:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpVWD-40RVbs-08; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:50:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpVWD-0003Wc-8A; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:50:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpVWB-0005rM-NJ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:50:24 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVUs-0000Wo-9J for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:49:02 +0000 Received: from [128.200.80.28] (helo=relay2.es.uci.edu) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVUr-0000Wa-Rh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:49:02 +0000 Received: from [128.200.31.32] (magnet.ps.uci.edu [128.200.31.32]) by relay2.es.uci.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBMImxQg008268 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:49:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4ddd271747steyan@argonet.co.uk> References: <43A9CB33.8090202@westnet.com.au> <4ddd271747steyan@argonet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:48:58 -0800 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phil Dennison Subject: Re: [softwarelist] converting OP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >In article <43A9CB33.8090202@westnet.com.au>, > Peter Prewett wrote: >> I have a relative in the UK that wants to put on a web site a document I >> created in Ovation Pro. > >> I have sent a PDF but he is having problems as he want to edit it in >> Windows. > >> Any suggestions on how to do it please. > >> Peter >Serif's PagePlus 11 claims to be anle to edit PDF files. >HTH >Steve Yandell > Adobe Acrobat Professional allows files to be saved in various formats, including plain text and Word. Formatting can be a little eccentric though, depending on the layout of the PDF. Phil. -- Dr Phil Dennison NMR Facility Director (949)824-6010 (office) Department of Chemistry (949)824-5649 (lab) University of California, Irvine (949)824-8571 (fax) Irvine, CA 92697-2025 dennison@uci.edu USA -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 18:52:19 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpVXt-4d4knw-06-pp0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:52:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpVXt-4d4knw-06-pp0; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:52:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpVXt-4d4knw-06; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:52:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpVXt-0000SG-9h; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:52:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpVnB-0000ob-Ns; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:07:59 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVWI-0000gO-8e for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:50:30 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVWI-0000gE-3R for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:50:30 +0000 Received: from iyonix (dsl82-163-120-21.as15444.net [82.163.120.21]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBMIoGvJ032428 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:50:16 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Vigay To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:48:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <4ddd611b86lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <3RFvYZGCIvqDFwRw@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl> <4ddd532342lists-nospam@vigay.com> <3RFvYZGCIvqDFwRw@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-orpheus-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.009, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.01) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <3RFvYZGCIvqDFwRw@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > 3000 subscribers is very impressive. My experience is that mail lists > tend to weed themselves, because people change email addresses > frequently, and the old addresses have to be removed. So presumably that > is 3000 people still interested. I do remove (without warning) all email addresses which bounce, so I assume those left either want to keep up to date, or are still active. > However, if I thought there were more than 10,000 RISC OS users, I'd go > back to writing software for it ;-) That would be nice - on both counts. :-) -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ The greatest fault is to be conscious of none. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 19:02:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpVYV-40JVbs-04-1FNw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:02:17 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpVYV-40JVbs-04-1FNw; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:52:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpVYV-40JVbs-04; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:52:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpVYV-0004JR-GO; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:52:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpVeO-0003Sk-AM; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:58:53 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVX9-0000lF-My for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:51:23 +0000 Received: from [212.74.114.38] (helo=mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVX8-0000kS-2Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:51:23 +0000 Received: from 88-105-176-161.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.176.161]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 22 Dec 2005 18:51:17 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CALGCqkOCFIU1AQ Received: from 88-105-176-161.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.176.161]:10016 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EpVX0-000EEm-80 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:51:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:28:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <4ddd5f4ac8dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org>, John M Ward wrote: [Snip] > All agreed; but it seems to be very difficult to get Impression users to > even try serious work on OPro, so they often just don't get to the point > of making the transition. I did, and wouldn't go back; and I suspect > this would be the case for a fair number (though not all, admittedly) > remaining Impression users if they were just to give it a whirl. Yes it's a strange business, I've used OvPro from when it first arrived, and once the initial wobblies had been sorted, I *manually* reconstructed all my business paperwork that was at that time in Imp Publisher. Obviously this was quite some time before Mr P wrote the Impression Loader. Whereas SWMBO still uses Publisher, and though I've converted some of her master/template documents ready to go, she still wants to use Publisher. Occasionally I still use Publisher... It has its uses, but on the whole I'm glad I went with Ovation Pro, so much so, that I also purchased a copy of the Win PC version. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 19:02:19 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpVev-1FEVbs-05-16l0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:02:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpVev-1FEVbs-05-16l0; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:59:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpVev-1FEVbs-05; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:59:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpVev-0005wF-2i; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:59:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpVko-0004FF-84; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:05:31 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVdY-0001Sx-Pv for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:58:00 +0000 Received: from [195.188.213.8] (helo=smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVdY-0001Sr-Kl for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:58:00 +0000 Received: from Iyonix ([82.34.222.136]) by smtp-out5.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:58:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:00:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <4ddd6230bbjohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <3RFvYZGCIvqDFwRw@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl> <4ddd532342lists-nospam@vigay.com> <3RFvYZGCIvqDFwRw@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2005 18:58:57.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2E021C0:01C60729] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <3RFvYZGCIvqDFwRw@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >> Are these figures valid?! Are there really only 3,000 users of > >> RISC OS left? Good heavens, then the situation is almost as bad as > >> some people always stated. > > > >I'm not sure. I've got nearly 3000 people still on the Ant mailing > >list, and I'd have thought that Ant users would be a minority as far > >as RISC OS users go these days! Almost certainly; and I have a habit of checking the header for tha name of the client used by any newcomer to any mailist or newsgroup to which I subscribe. There aren't many Marcel users out there, or even the Voyager Newsagent and Posty (as Voyager later included ANT's Fresco). This probably isn't definitive, as ANT users don't have to stay with Marcel, but I think it should give an idea of magnitude at least. > 3000 subscribers is very impressive. My experience is that mail lists > tend to weed themselves, because people change email addresses > frequently, and the old addresses have to be removed. So presumably > that is 3000 people still interested. That does seem to be a valid assumption. > The numbers I quoted were just a rough guess. I'd believe 75,000 and > 5,000. > However, if I thought there were more than 10,000 RISC OS users, I'd > go back to writing software for it ;-) Aha! Then there's the challenge for all of us "out here" -- perhaps a suitable New Year's resolution might be to ensure that we can identify at least 10,000 current users by the end of that year, whether by verifying existing users, enticing back those who have left the platform, or recruiting brand-new users. After all, we all want DP fervently coding for us again, don't we? -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers Read my "Councilling RISC OS" series in Qercus, from Issue 276 onward -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 19:12:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpVk7-1XIVbs-05-y9I."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:12:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpVk7-1XIVbs-05-y9I; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:04:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpVk7-1XIVbs-05; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:04:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpVk7-00075t-Lf; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:04:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpVk6-0000BG-9y; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:04:47 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVil-00026G-Ir for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:03:23 +0000 Received: from [81.187.81.51] (helo=smtp.aaisp.net.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVil-00026A-DO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:03:23 +0000 Received: from 173.206.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.206.173] helo=riscpc) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVik-0005Uj-Gv for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:03:23 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPScan 1.23 for RISC OS To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dave Barnett X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:03:07 GMT Message-ID: <2d7462dd4d.Dave@dave.davebarnett.me.uk> References: <155887d24d.zed@orcon.co.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In a recent message David Pilling wrote: >>Downloaded, did the upgrade. Run !DPlngscan >>Message : No writable memory at this address >>This with Select. But I have no problems with 1.22. > > Lack of memory? > > There has been a bit of messing about with recent versions, assume a 2MB > wimp slot. > I've just been fiddling with a 9Mb JPEG and also scanning a b/w page with no problems. Select 4.39 128Mb DPScan 1.23 default settings (I think) -- Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 19:12:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpVlE-4eWVbs-04-y8B."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:12:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpVlE-4eWVbs-04-y8B; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:05:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpVlE-4eWVbs-04; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:05:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpVlE-0007dB-9g; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:05:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpWh4-0000yj-W4; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:05:43 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVju-0002DP-4m for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:04:34 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.132] (helo=pih-relay05.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpVjt-0002DJ-V6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:04:34 +0000 Received: from [81.174.201.158] (helo=standalone) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EpVjs-00038R-T7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:04:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:03:55 +0000 From: Keith Pascall To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Cursor visability Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.68a User-Agent: POPstar/2.06-ds.2 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > Hi, > > I've made the mouse pointers bolder, and uploaded the resulting new > version of OPW to: > > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/main.html > > Much better on my machine I can see it clearly now. Thank you David. Regards, Keith -- Keith Pascall -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 19:52:19 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpWKl-3SVVbs-05-1N8C."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:52:19 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpWKl-3SVVbs-05-1N8C; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:42:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpWKl-3SVVbs-05; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:42:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpWKl-0006fW-La; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:42:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpWa3-0007UO-QV; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:58:29 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpWJL-0008WU-2f for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:41:11 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.156] (helo=smtp3.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpWJK-0008WP-PR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:41:10 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3211.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8AD29B800090 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:41:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-5106.l6.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.65.51.242]) by mwinf3211.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 53F8EB80008E for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:41:10 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051222194110344.53F8EB80008E@mwinf3211.me.freeserve.com Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:41:06 GMT From: Alan Adams Message-ID: <18ee65dd4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Oddity creating pdf file - OPro RISC OS 2.73 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Following a route I've used loads of times, I've encountered unexpected behaviour. I have a document originated in OPro. I printed to file using a generic Postscript level 1 driver. I converted the file to pdf using Ghostscript, via ps2pdf. The line wrapping has changed during the process. The area in question has a text box across the full width of the page, overlapped on the bottom right-hand corner by an irregular frame containing a picture. As a result there is room for two and a half lines of text. In OPro the text wraps into two and a half lines, and just fits. By the time the document reaches pdf format the text has re-wrapped to three lines long (there are less words on the first line for example). and the last 5 words or so are hidden by the picture. I tried to view the postscript intermediate file in gview, but get "not enough memory". There is 56M free. RO4.02, OPro 2.73. The font in question is Trinity 10 point. Text is left justified. ------ In the document containing the other side of the same piece of paper I had a different, but similar problem. A text box extending from the left margin across most of the width of the page is partly covered by a picture. The overlap is bottom right, with the picture frame extending further down the page than the text one. The text has overflowed, but the overflow marker is not seen. During screen redraw it does appear, very briefly, under the picture, instead of at the end of the visible part of the text frame. (In other words, at the bottom right-hand corner of the text frame, which then gets covered by the picture.) As a result I printed the document with text missing. (OK, I should have checked it visually. In this case the problem was visible on screen.) Has this been reported before? -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 19:52:20 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpWMP-03Mknw-01-p0U."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:52:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpWMP-03Mknw-01-p0U; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:44:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpWMP-03Mknw-01; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:44:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpWMP-0004qW-Ql; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:44:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpWbi-0007hf-Ir; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:00:12 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpWL4-0000TW-47 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:42:58 +0000 Received: from [62.241.163.6] (helo=astro.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpWL3-0000TR-Ul for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:42:57 +0000 Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A57D0E00005E for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:42:57 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20051222193627.01db2d88@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 19:40:13 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP In-Reply-To: <4ddd6230bbjohn@acornusers.org> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl> <4ddd532342lists-nospam@vigay.com> <3RFvYZGCIvqDFwRw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd6230bbjohn@acornusers.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-50EF1844 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 19:00 22/12/2005, John M Ward wrote: >In article <3RFvYZGCIvqDFwRw@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: >[snip] > > > However, if I thought there were more than 10,000 RISC OS users, I'd > > go back to writing software for it ;-) > >Aha! Then there's the challenge for all of us "out here" -- perhaps a >suitable New Year's resolution might be to ensure that we can identify >at least 10,000 current users by the end of that year, whether by >verifying existing users, enticing back those who have left the >platform, or recruiting brand-new users. > >After all, we all want DP fervently coding for us again, don't we? Now, if those 10,000 re-recruited users were to actually buy software, that would be an advantage. 10,000 users using and praising 15 year-old software is no use to a current-day producer of software. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 21/12/2005 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 20:22:20 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpWph-1d6knw-01-1V9m."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:22:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpWph-1d6knw-01-1V9m; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:14:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpWph-1d6knw-01; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:14:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpWph-0003NM-8X; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:14:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpX4z-0002qM-Ri; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:30:27 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpWoJ-0003Ui-Q3 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:13:11 +0000 Received: from [193.111.201.132] (helo=lon-mail-6.gradwell.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpWoJ-0003UT-Cz for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:13:11 +0000 Received: from magpieway.net ([213.162.112.164] helo=tony-lx.magpieway ident=tony#pop3&vanderhoff&org) by lon-mail-6.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.207) id 43ab076a.89f1.192 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:07:06 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:07:05 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20051222193627.01db2d88@mail.btinternet.com> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl> <4ddd532342lists-nospam@vigay.com> <3RFvYZGCIvqDFwRw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd6230bbjohn@acornusers.org> <6.0.3.0.2.20051222193627.01db2d88@mail.btinternet.com> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Phillip Marsden wrote in message <6.0.3.0.2.20051222193627.01db2d88@mail.btinternet.com> [snip] > > Now, if those 10,000 re-recruited users were to actually buy software, > that would be an advantage. 10,000 users using and praising 15 year-old > software is no use to a current-day producer of software. > Hm, RISC OS, even in its present incarnation, is *20* year old software, for heaven's sake. How would you propose re-recruiting lapsed users, let alone developers, to that? I'd much prefer David to work on the Linux version of OPro. -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 21:32:24 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpXxd-3jc000-04-1Cyo."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:32:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpXxd-3jc000-04-1Cyo; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:26:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpXxd-3jc000-04; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:26:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpXxd-0004bV-Bm; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:26:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpX35-0001XD-0h; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 20:28:28 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpXvJ-0005Np-2a for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:24:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpXvI-0005Nk-RT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:24:28 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EpXvI-0003kN-KY for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:24:28 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 21:23:11 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Oddity creating pdf file - OPro RISC OS 2.73 References: <18ee65dd4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <18ee65dd4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <18ee65dd4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan Adams writes >Following a route I've used loads of times, I've encountered unexpected >behaviour. I have a document originated in OPro. I printed to file using a >The line wrapping has changed during the process. This is unlikely. Lines are printed one by one. Unless you're doing mail merge there is also no reformatting going on inside Ovation Pro between what is on screen and what is sent to the printer. Now it may be something that looks like reformatting. For example there are all sorts of nasty problems with justification and PostScript printing in some versions of the RISC OS printer drivers. However your text is left justified. The contents of text areas in Draw files are reformatted on the fly, but I doubt you're talking about those. "Level 1 PostScript driver" - shudder. >RO4.02, OPro 2.73. 2.73 is long out of date >The text has overflowed, but the overflow marker is not seen. During screen >redraw it does appear, very briefly, under the picture, instead of at the >end of the visible part of the text frame. (In other words, at the bottom >right-hand corner of the text frame, which then gets covered by the >picture.) As a result I printed the document with text missing. (OK, I >should have checked it visually. In this case the problem was visible on >screen.) Has this been reported before? I believe what you describe is how things are supposed to work - fair point, that may not be the most useful way. Try the PrePress applet which will warn you about problems before printing. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 22:42:28 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpZ24-2Muknw-08-13Nr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:42:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpZ24-2Muknw-08-13Nr; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:35:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpZ24-2Muknw-08; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:35:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpZ24-0006n4-7J; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:35:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpZxw-0007h7-2o; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:35:20 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpZ0h-0000Vi-6N for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:34:07 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.156] (helo=smtp3.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpZ0g-0000VW-Qx for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:34:06 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3203.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 96EB71C00095 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:34:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-5106.l6.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.65.51.242]) by mwinf3203.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 5A7EC1C00093 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:34:06 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051222223406370.5A7EC1C00093@mwinf3203.me.freeserve.com Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:33:58 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Oddity creating pdf file - OPro RISC OS 2.73 Message-ID: References: <18ee65dd4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > In message <18ee65dd4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan > Adams writes > >Following a route I've used loads of times, I've encountered unexpected > >behaviour. I have a document originated in OPro. I printed to file using a > >The line wrapping has changed during the process. > > This is unlikely. Lines are printed one by one. > > Unless you're doing mail merge there is also no reformatting going on > inside Ovation Pro between what is on screen and what is sent to the > printer. No mail-merge in this one > > Now it may be something that looks like reformatting. For example there > are all sorts of nasty problems with justification and PostScript > printing in some versions of the RISC OS printer drivers. However your > text is left justified. > > The contents of text areas in Draw files are reformatted on the fly, but > I doubt you're talking about those. > > "Level 1 PostScript driver" - shudder. I set it up this way because occasionally I need to edit the postsctipt - and level 1 I find just readable. Now if the "spread" button in OPro had ever been implemented... (for example, a pamphlet with a centre spread. The spread is produced with a separate landscape document, but the electronic version should have the spread at the right place. I have managed to merge the two postscript files in the past.) Maybe I need two setups - one Level 2 for general work, and this level 1 for specials. > > >RO4.02, OPro 2.73. > > 2.73 is long out of date OK, I'll deal with that. > > >The text has overflowed, but the overflow marker is not seen. During screen > >redraw it does appear, very briefly, under the picture, instead of at the > >end of the visible part of the text frame. (In other words, at the bottom > >right-hand corner of the text frame, which then gets covered by the > >picture.) As a result I printed the document with text missing. (OK, I > >should have checked it visually. In this case the problem was visible on > >screen.) Has this been reported before? > > I believe what you describe is how things are supposed to work - fair > point, that may not be the most useful way. > > Try the PrePress applet which will warn you about problems before > printing. I'll look into that as well. Thanks for the advice. Alan -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 23:22:28 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpZco-3qvknw-08-1SMf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:22:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpZco-3qvknw-08-1SMf; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:13:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpZco-3qvknw-08; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:13:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpZco-0001QN-0Z; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:13:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpYYD-00043A-4e; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 22:04:42 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpZb7-0005L4-HW for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:11:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpZb7-0005Kz-BJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:11:45 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EpZb7-000OyF-Cv for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:11:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:10:39 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Oddity creating pdf file - OPro RISC OS 2.73 References: <18ee65dd4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , Alan Adams writes >I'll look into that as well. I'd be happy to give the document a go on my machine. Easier to comment on it if I can see it go wrong. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 22 23:42:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Epa34-0K1000-07-12Mr."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:42:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Epa34-0K1000-07-12Mr; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:40:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Epa34-0K1000-07; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:40:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Epa34-00052q-QM; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:40:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Epayw-00081P-Ro; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:40:27 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Epa1h-00028R-LY for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:39:13 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.157] (helo=smtp2.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Epa1g-00028H-KJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:39:13 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3116.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6409C340008B for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:39:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from Iyonix.freeuk.com (user-2613.wfd79a.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.218.53]) by mwinf3116.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3016E340008A for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:39:12 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051222233912197.3016E340008A@mwinf3116.me.freeserve.com Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Kevin Corney X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.09 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 23:39:09 GMT Message-ID: <94b97bdd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl> <4ddd532342lists-nospam@vigay.com> <3RFvYZGCIvqDFwRw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd6230bbjohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4ddd6230bbjohn@acornusers.org> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.27 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4ddd6230bbjohn@acornusers.org> John M Ward wrote: [snip] > > After all, we all want DP fervently coding for us again, don't we? > Yes, and I for one would be prepared to pay . We've had a number of upgrades since OPro 2.60, and not a penny has been asked in return. Perhaps David should start a similar system to Martin's with Artworks, where each significant upgrade is chargeable. -- Kevin Corney, Emley, West Yorkshire, HD8 9RG Niemand hat die Absicht, eine Mauer zu errichten. - W. Ulbricht -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 23 00:52:33 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Epb9t-4SFknw-05-11G2."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:52:33 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Epb9t-4SFknw-05-11G2; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:51:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Epb9t-4SFknw-05; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:51:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Epb9t-0003Kr-CE; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:51:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Epb9r-0007U5-PI; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:51:44 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Epb81-0003rB-8k for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:49:49 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.214] (helo=ptb-relay03.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Epb80-0003r6-U9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:49:48 +0000 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Epb7y-0004xt-BO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:49:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:45:56 GMT From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl> <4ddd532342lists-nospam@vigay.com> <3RFvYZGCIvqDFwRw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd6230bbjohn@acornusers.org> <94b97bdd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <94b97bdd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 22 Dec, Kevin Corney wrote: > In message <4ddd6230bbjohn@acornusers.org> > John M Ward wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > After all, we all want DP fervently coding for us again, don't we? > > > Yes, and I for one would be prepared to pay . We've had a number of > upgrades since OPro 2.60, and not a penny has been asked in return. > Perhaps David should start a similar system to Martin's with Artworks, > where each significant upgrade is chargeable. > Seconded. I wonder sometimes what he lives off? -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 23 02:52:39 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Epd2C-2NIGPo-08-17uF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:52:39 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Epd2C-2NIGPo-08-17uF; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:51:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Epd2C-2NIGPo-08; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:51:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Epd2C-0003yG-Nu; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:51:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Epc7e-00041T-Bu; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 01:53:31 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Epd0k-0002pr-RQ for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:50:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Epd0k-0002pm-IH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:50:26 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Epd0k-0008Av-A9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:50:26 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 02:49:21 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPScan 1.23 for RISC OS References: <155887d24d.zed@orcon.co.nz> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message , David Pilling writes I've resolved this now. I've made a mistake in the latest version. A fixed version is now on the web site. The problem does not affect use on Iyonix. I missed the last K off the second line below, so you can fix the !Run file yourself if you prefer. WimpSlot -min 2048K RMEnsure UtilityModule 5.00 WimpSlot -min 1024K -max 1024K | Run ".!RunImage" %*0 -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 23 14:19:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpgyA-1kRGPo-07-1CUn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:19:18 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpgyA-1kRGPo-07-1CUn; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:04:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpgyA-1kRGPo-07; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:04:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpgyA-0000jH-Gs; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:04:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Epgy8-0007zL-Ry; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:04:01 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Epgvp-0002AX-F6 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:01:37 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Epgvp-00029y-4h for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:01:37 +0000 Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051223070129.RXDK8609.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:01:29 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.9.212.163]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051223070129.SXYN13162.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:01:29 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:08:09 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl> <4ddd532342lists-nospam@vigay.com> <3RFvYZGCIvqDFwRw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd6230bbjohn@acornusers.org> <94b97bdd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 22 Dec, Kevin Corney wrote: > >> In message <4ddd6230bbjohn@acornusers.org> >> John M Ward wrote: >> >> >> [snip] >> > >> > After all, we all want DP fervently coding for us again, don't we? >> > >> Yes, and I for one would be prepared to pay . We've had a number of >> upgrades since OPro 2.60, and not a penny has been asked in return. >> Perhaps David should start a similar system to Martin's with Artworks, >> where each significant upgrade is chargeable. >> > > Seconded. I wonder sometimes what he lives off? > Sure ain't us Alan -- Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 23 14:19:27 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Epl71-2GSknw-08-1POy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:19:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Epl71-2GSknw-08-1POy; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:29:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Epl71-2GSknw-08; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:29:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Epl71-0003I7-7H; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:29:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Epm2w-00052G-Ao; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:29:18 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Epl5b-0007qY-94 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:27:59 +0000 Received: from [62.241.162.32] (helo=ranger.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Epl5a-0007qA-Q6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:27:58 +0000 Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E593E000523 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:27:58 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20051223110204.01dacd40@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:09:35 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP In-Reply-To: References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl> <4ddd532342lists-nospam@vigay.com> <3RFvYZGCIvqDFwRw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd6230bbjohn@acornusers.org> <6.0.3.0.2.20051222193627.01db2d88@mail.btinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-15176432 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 20:07 22/12/2005, Tony van der Hoff wrote: >Phillip Marsden wrote in message ><6.0.3.0.2.20051222193627.01db2d88@mail.btinternet.com> > >[snip] > > > > Now, if those 10,000 re-recruited users were to actually buy software, > > that would be an advantage. 10,000 users using and praising 15 year-old > > software is no use to a current-day producer of software. > > >Hm, RISC OS, even in its present incarnation, is *20* year old software, for >heaven's sake. How would you propose re-recruiting lapsed users, let alone >developers, to that? > >I'd much prefer David to work on the Linux version of OPro. I personally would not propose how to recruit any lapsed users. I was simply responding to John Ward's enthusiastic posting. I may have mis-read the tone of John's posting, and it may well have been tongue-in-cheek rather than serious. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 23/12/2005 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 23 14:19:28 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Epl76-3yGknw-03-imJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:19:28 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Epl76-3yGknw-03-imJ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:29:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Epl76-3yGknw-03; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:29:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Epl75-0004eW-Te; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:29:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EplMO-0004zG-1G; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:45:21 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Epl5b-0007qZ-91 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:27:59 +0000 Received: from [62.241.162.32] (helo=ranger.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Epl5b-0007qG-0h for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:27:59 +0000 Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by ranger.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC49EE000534 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:27:58 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20051223110939.01e31f10@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:19:58 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: [softwarelist] Brilliant service (twice) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-15176432 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I am posting this as an appreciation of good service. I placed an order on David Pilling's website yesterday and had a registration email timed at 14:49. This morning the CD for Ovation Pro for Windows dropped through the door. This is great service from David Pilling in getting the item to the Royal Mail on that day, and from Royal Mail for delivering so quickly, despite all the bad press that they get from all sides. It just goes to show that it is the people that count in terms of service, not whether an organisation is publicly or privately owned. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.5/212 - Release Date: 23/12/2005 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 23 14:19:32 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpmDX-0CZVbs-05-1Flw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:19:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpmDX-0CZVbs-05-1Flw; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:40:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpmDX-0CZVbs-05; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:40:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpmDX-00046F-Lj; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:40:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpmJK-0002N3-8b; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:46:15 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpmC2-0005pp-Ci for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:38:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpmC1-0005pc-Vo for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:38:42 +0000 Received: from tenmagpies.demon.co.uk ([80.177.3.119] helo=iyonix.tenmagpies.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EpmC0-000Pc9-1j for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:38:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 12:40:43 GMT From: David W Mills To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <5f47c3dd4d.david@tenmagpies.demon.co.uk> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl> <4ddd532342lists-nospam@vigay.com> <3RFvYZGCIvqDFwRw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd6230bbjohn@acornusers.org> <94b97bdd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: tenmagpies User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote: > In message of 22 Dec, Kevin Corney wrote: > > > In message <4ddd6230bbjohn@acornusers.org> > > John M Ward wrote: > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > After all, we all want DP fervently coding for us again, don't we? > > > > > Yes, and I for one would be prepared to pay . We've had a number of > > upgrades since OPro 2.60, and not a penny has been asked in return. > > Perhaps David should start a similar system to Martin's with Artworks, > > where each significant upgrade is chargeable. > > > > Seconded. I wonder sometimes what he lives off? > Thinking about retiring so I will expect to be making more use of my computer and OP in particular so: Thirded (as the kids at school wopuld say in our citizenship debates) David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 23 14:39:12 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Epo46-2yNVbs-07-15Or."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:39:12 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Epo46-2yNVbs-07-15Or; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:38:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Epo46-2yNVbs-07; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:38:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Epo46-0004Mq-8K; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:38:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Epp02-0007iw-PQ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:38:31 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Epo2g-0000Wl-9I for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:37:10 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.177] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Epo2f-0000Wd-Qt for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:37:09 +0000 Received: from [62.180.24.74] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML21M-1Epo2e3XJz-0005BC; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:37:09 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Oddity creating pdf file - OPro RISC OS 2.73 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b10 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 15:37:42 +0100 Message-ID: <2bfdcddd4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <18ee65dd4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <18ee65dd4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b10 (MsgServe/3.11b1) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <18ee65dd4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > I tried to view the postscript intermediate file in gview, but get "not > enough memory". There is 56M free. > > RO4.02 This should be more than enough unless you have a silly scaling value set in the GView options window. An A4 page, rendered in true colour (16M colours) at 100% scaling will result in a total amount of 6 to 7 MB required for GView. It is unclear where the error occurs for you (it would help if you specified in what kind of window it is displayed), but if the problem occurs when starting GhostScript, then you can increase the amount of memory given to it in the GView options window. Current versions are GView 1.41 and GhostScript 7.03. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 23 17:59:20 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Epr7j-0Kr000-03-12LE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:59:20 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Epr7j-0Kr000-03-12LE; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:54:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Epr7j-0Kr000-03; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:54:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Epr7j-0006fF-Ip; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:54:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EprDU-0007N8-A0; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:00:33 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Epr5f-0003Fl-69 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:52:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Epr5f-0003Fg-2c for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:52:27 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EpqyB-0006i8-6K for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:44:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:50:56 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Oddity creating pdf file - OPro RISC OS 2.73 References: <18ee65dd4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <18ee65dd4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >From: David Ward In message Alan Adams wrote: > In message you wrote: > >> >> "Level 1 PostScript driver" - shudder. > > I set it up this way because occasionally I need to edit the postsctipt - > and level 1 I find just readable. > > Now if the "spread" button in OPro had ever been implemented... > > (for example, a pamphlet with a centre spread. The spread is produced with a > separate landscape document, but the electronic version should have the > spread at the right place. I have managed to merge the two postscript files > in the past.) > > Maybe I need two setups - one Level 2 for general work, and this level > 1 for specials. I have only found Acorns level 2 postscript driver to give good reliable results for creating pdf files. I hope David will port his PS driver he did for windows over to RISC OS. Dave -- Dave Ward Software Engineer Si-Plan Electronics Research Ltd +44 (0) 1789 205849 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 23 18:39:22 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EprjA-3jmVbs-06-1AGJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:39:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EprjA-3jmVbs-06-1AGJ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:33:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EprjA-3jmVbs-06; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:33:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EprjA-0003iQ-7r; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:33:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eprj8-0008GG-JA; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:33:15 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eprhn-0007w5-40 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:31:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eprhm-0007w0-Qh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:31:50 +0000 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Eprhk-000Jbp-1M for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:31:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:33:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <4ddde39060john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > Today, with 60,000 copies of Impression sold, and 3,000 users of RISC OS > > left, the situation has not improved 8-) > Are these figures valid?! No. > Are there really only 3,000 users of RISC OS left? No. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 23 19:09:25 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eps8T-18xGPo-05-sny."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:09:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eps8T-18xGPo-05-sny; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:59:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eps8T-18xGPo-05; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:59:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eps8S-0001ry-VX; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:59:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Epr3m-0005Nw-MK; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 17:50:31 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eps6k-0004WZ-VE for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:57:39 +0000 Received: from [195.188.213.4] (helo=smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eps6k-0004WT-Lj for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:57:38 +0000 Received: from Iyonix ([82.34.222.136]) by smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 18:58:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:00:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <4ddde601edjohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4ddde39060john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl> <4ddde39060john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2005 18:58:35.0125 (UTC) FILETIME=[E02E5250:01C607F2] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4ddde39060john@cartmell.demon.co.uk>, John Cartmell wrote: > In article <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl>, > Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > Today, with 60,000 copies of Impression sold, and 3,000 users > > > of RISC OS left, the situation has not improved 8-) > > Are these figures valid?! > No. Does anyone have a true, up-to-date figure? > > Are there really only 3,000 users of RISC OS left? > No. Please let it be more than 10,000... -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers Read my "Councilling RISC OS" series in Qercus, from Issue 276 onward -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 23 21:39:32 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EpuW5-2Ryknw-04-17TO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:39:32 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EpuW5-2Ryknw-04-17TO; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:31:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EpuW5-2Ryknw-04; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:31:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EpuW5-0005kh-V4; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:31:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EpulO-0002WA-2k; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:47:47 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EpuTN-0007Xw-9r for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:29:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EpuTN-0007Xp-0z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:29:09 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EpuLt-0005o9-55 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:21:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 21:28:05 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl> <4ddde39060john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ddde39060john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Are these figures valid?! >No. This reminds me of the recent debate over the number of Iyonix machines. If you want people to produce software, you tell them how many computers you've sold and how many you're going to sell. Acorn used to make available to developers figures for computers shipped. Things started to go to the dogs when Acorn stopped issuing those numbers. The situation is now muddled by the number of people who have a RISC OS machine but don't use it much or at all - the "door stop effect". All together (Beebug and myself) getting on for 3000 copies of Ovation Pro have been sold. I doubt that 3000 people actually still use the program. About 1000 users have the CD version of the program (either new or upgraded). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 27 13:56:04 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EqTGy-0xKVbs-02-16oZ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:56:04 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EqTGy-0xKVbs-02-16oZ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:38:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EqTGy-0xKVbs-02; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:38:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EqTGy-0003NQ-5b; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:38:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EqTWH-0003je-0w; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:54:30 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EqTEu-0007in-HH for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:36:32 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EqTEu-0007ig-63 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:36:32 +0000 Received: from red-squirrel.com.orpheusnet.co.uk (du213-130-141-48.as15444.net [213.130.141.48]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBPAaK4P000717 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 10:36:21 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPScan 1.23 for RISC OS To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Roger Foden X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 18:29:32 GMT Message-ID: References: <155887d24d.zed@orcon.co.nz> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Hot Desk User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.082, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.03, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: [snip] > > I've resolved this now. I've made a mistake in the latest version. > > A fixed version is now on the web site. > > The problem does not affect use on Iyonix. > > I missed the last K off the second line below, so you can fix the !Run > file yourself if you prefer. > > > WimpSlot -min 2048K > RMEnsure UtilityModule 5.00 WimpSlot -min 1024K -max 1024K > | > Run ".!RunImage" %*0 > I'm puzzled (yet again!). I upgraded to 1.23 with the original Freshen. The DPSS !Run file doesn't contain the line: RMEnsure UtilityModule 5.00 WimpSlot -min 1024K -max 1024K with or without the final'K', at all! Downloaded the revised upgrade and the 'missing' line is there in !Freshen.Patches.DPSS.!DPlngScan.!Run OK, this is academic as I use an Iyonix, but have there been several upgrades to 1.23? Regards Roger -- roger@red-squirrel.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 27 13:56:06 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EqVad-1wWknw-03-1LXw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:56:06 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EqVad-1wWknw-03-1LXw; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:07:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EqVad-1wWknw-03; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:07:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EqVac-00055p-UZ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:07:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EqVaa-0001pC-Sh; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:07:05 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EqVYd-0005gy-SP for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:05:03 +0000 Received: from [62.241.163.7] (helo=blaster.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EqVYd-0005gp-Hc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:05:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (81-178-134-28.dsl.pipex.com [81.178.134.28]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382F6E000115 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:05:03 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <43AE9905.1000605@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 13:05:09 +0000 From: Christopher Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050203) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd4cfe14paul@delink.nl> <4ddd532342lists-nospam@vigay.com> <3RFvYZGCIvqDFwRw@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4ddd6230bbjohn@acornusers.org> <6.0.3.0.2.20051222193627.01db2d88@mail.btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I'd much prefer David to work on the Linux version of OPro. I'd vote for that too. CJB -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 27 13:56:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EqsIk-377Vbs-03-ypp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:56:21 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EqsIk-377Vbs-03-ypp; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:22:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EqsIk-377Vbs-03; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:22:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EqsIk-0003mO-Bm; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:22:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EqrO8-0006Ro-7s; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:23:41 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EqsGv-0007KU-MK for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:20:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EqsGv-0007KP-D8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:20:17 +0000 Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EqsGv-0002pb-6j for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:20:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:10:40 GMT Message-ID: <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b4 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> John M Ward wrote: > In article <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com>, > Alan Leighton wrote: >> In message <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> >> Brian Carroll wrote: >> > In article <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com>, Alan Leighton >> > wrote: >> > >> > [Snip] >> > >> >> OP is a fantastic DTP program with many more features than >> >> Impressions ... You will never go back to Impressions after >> >> you have used OP. >> > >> > You certainly can. I did. I sold my copy of OP and bought >> > EasiWriter but I still mainly use Impression Publisher! > >> EasiWriter is a word processor and is very different to OP and >> Impressions. I have all three. The point I was making was that OP is >> still being developed and supported and therefore I feel it should get >> our support. The problem is that OP has a different feel about it and >> it runs in a different way but once you have mastered it you will >> never IMHO revert to IMP. > > All agreed; but it seems to be very difficult to get Impression users to > even try serious work on OPro, so they often just don't get to the point > of making the transition. I did, and wouldn't go back; and I suspect > this would be the case for a fair number (though not all, admittedly) > remaining Impression users if they were just to give it a whirl. OK I am an example. I use both Ovation Pro and Impression Publisher and when necessary EasiWriter gets a look in. Until earlier this year I used Imp to produce the club newsletter because it did the job nicely but then used the Opro Imp loader to transfer it to OPro for its Duplex printing capabilities - which work. I then switched to using it totally for the newsletter, but everything else especially anything requiring mail merging to Impression. But I am considering going back to Impression fully simply because OPro has too many quirks, that annoy. Too name two; I press enter between two existing paragraphs and it decides to have a mind of its own, and move the paragraphs off the page (if I have linked page/column sometimes to this) - simply not acceptable in a professional program. Also the frames that refuse to go where I ask it too I want to expand the frame by say a couple of mm and it decides to move it 5 or whatever - very annoying and time wasting. Mail merging needs to be much improved, before I would consider it. I could go on about other things. But I won't at this point. Ovation Pro is a nice program, but it is not always up to the job. [snip] -- Chris Hughes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 27 13:56:22 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EqsqR-3z3Vbs-03-1FLA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:56:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EqsqR-3z3Vbs-03-1FLA; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:57:00 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EqsqR-3z3Vbs-03; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:57:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EqsqR-0003Qp-Gh; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:56:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eqsvp-0006Rj-8R; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:02:34 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EqsoT-00057W-Sb for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:54:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EqsoT-00057R-Kd for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:54:57 +0000 Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EqsoT-000GUJ-Du for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:54:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:54:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <4ddf558b4acharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hughes wrote: [Snip] > Also the frames that refuse to go where I ask it too I want to expand > the frame by say a couple of mm and it decides to move it 5 or > whatever - very annoying and time wasting. Isn't that because you've got "Snap to grid line" set in preferences? I find it easier to move frame edges may small amount by changing the figures in the boxes at the bottom of the frame. It's also very a accurate way of doing it. -- >From KT24 - in "leafy" Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 27 13:56:24 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EqtN2-3aBknw-06-YBz."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:56:24 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EqtN2-3aBknw-06-YBz; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:30:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EqtN2-3aBknw-06; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:30:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EqtN2-0006Ov-MW; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:30:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EqtcL-0003wI-2D; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:46:30 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EqtL0-0008Dx-L9 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:28:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EqtL0-0008Do-EQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:28:34 +0000 Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EqtL0-0008wT-6k for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:28:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:28:06 GMT Message-ID: <669e58df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4ddf558b4acharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4ddf558b4acharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.30b4 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4ddf558b4acharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> charles wrote: > In article <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, > Chris Hughes wrote: > > [Snip] > >> Also the frames that refuse to go where I ask it too I want to expand >> the frame by say a couple of mm and it decides to move it 5 or >> whatever - very annoying and time wasting. > > Isn't that because you've got "Snap to grid line" set in preferences? This seems to be a per document setting, not available globally - why not? Anyway had it unticked and still get same problem. > > I find it easier to move frame edges may small amount by changing the > figures in the boxes at the bottom of the frame. It's also very a accurate > way of doing it. > Will look at this, but don't like this type of messing about. -- Chris Hughes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 27 13:56:25 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eqtqw-0WHVbs-05-ol7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:56:25 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eqtqw-0WHVbs-05-ol7; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:01:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eqtqw-0WHVbs-05; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:01:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eqtqw-0003ru-Hb; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:01:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EqunC-0005Mu-2J; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:01:46 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EqtoK-0004nn-P3 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:58:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EqtoK-0004ni-HW for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:58:52 +0000 Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EqtoK-000Hr4-0K for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:58:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:00:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <4ddf5b95d5charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <669e58df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4ddf558b4acharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> <669e58df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <669e58df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hughes wrote: > [Snip] > Will look at this, but don't like this type of messing about. so, if you wanted to print 50 copies of the document would you solemnly clip the up arrow 49 times, or would you simply type 50 in the box? -- >From KT24 - in "leafy" Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 27 13:56:26 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eqtqy-3hmVbs-08-Xi3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:56:26 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eqtqy-3hmVbs-08-Xi3; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:01:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eqtqy-3hmVbs-08; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:01:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eqtqy-0003sH-6M; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:01:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Eqtqu-00006A-I6; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:01:33 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EqtoM-0004oC-Pi for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:58:54 +0000 Received: from [195.188.213.9] (helo=smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EqtoM-0004o6-KA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:58:54 +0000 Received: from Iyonix ([82.34.222.136]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:59:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:00:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <4ddf5b9837john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2005 14:59:51.0428 (UTC) FILETIME=[05D4DC40:01C60A2D] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hughes wrote: > In message <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> > John M Ward wrote: > >...it seems to be very difficult to get Impression users to even try > > serious work on OPro, so they often just don't get to the point of > > making the transition... > OK I am an example. I use both Ovation Pro and Impression Publisher > and when necessary EasiWriter gets a look in. > Until earlier this year I used Imp to produce the club newsletter > because it did the job nicely but then used the Opro Imp loader to > transfer it to OPro for its Duplex printing capabilities - which work. > I then switched to using it totally for the newsletter, but > everything else especially anything requiring mail merging to > Impression. > But I am considering going back to Impression fully simply because > OPro has too many quirks, that annoy. Really? > Too name two; I press enter between two existing paragraphs and it > decides to have a mind of its own, and move the paragraphs off the > page (if I have linked page/column sometimes to this) - simply not > acceptable in a professional program. This might be the difference between the ordinary Enter key and the one on the numeric keypad, which since the days of the original Ovation has been a quick "force new page/column" method (though it doesn't work on Virtual Acorn, by the way). > Also the frames that refuse to go where I ask it too I want to expand > the frame by say a couple of mm and it decides to move it 5 or > whatever - very annoying and time wasting. I have no problem setting frame positions to within a fraction of a millimetre via the dialogue box; but the "Snap to grid line" option that Charles has already mentioned will (as with any other program with this facility) vonstrain drags to the nearest grod line. > Mail merging needs to be much improved, before I would consider it. I > could go on about other things. But I won't at this point. Okay. > Ovation Pro is a nice program, but it is not always up to the job. It should suffice for almost any job that any of us is likely to need to tackle, and I'd have thought that there is very little that can be done in any version of Impression that cannot nowadays be done in any recent version of Ovation Pro -- and probably to much more up-to-date standards and conventions. Anything that isn't, no doubt DP will look at when he can -- which is in practice typically sooner than most folk realistically expect :-) -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers Read my "Councilling RISC OS" series in Qercus, from Issue 276 onward -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 27 13:56:27 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eqtus-4LOknw-06-1EGj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:56:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eqtus-4LOknw-06-1EGj; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:05:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eqtus-4LOknw-06; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:05:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eqtus-0007nE-7F; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:05:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EqurA-0005Xh-1z; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:05:52 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EqttD-0005Gp-Qr for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:03:55 +0000 Received: from [195.188.213.5] (helo=smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EqttD-0005Gj-Lp for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:03:55 +0000 Received: from Iyonix ([82.34.222.136]) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:04:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:06:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <4ddf5c2388john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4ddd5f4ac8dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <4ddd5f4ac8dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Dec 2005 15:04:52.0536 (UTC) FILETIME=[B94E4B80:01C60A2D] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4ddd5f4ac8dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org>, > John M Ward wrote: > [Snip] > > All agreed; but it seems to be very difficult to get Impression > > users to even try serious work on OPro, so they often just don't > > get to the point of making the transition. I did, and wouldn't go > > back; and I suspect this would be the case for a fair number > > (though not all, admittedly) remaining Impression users if they > > were just to give it a whirl. > Yes it's a strange business, I've used OvPro from when it first > arrived, and once the initial wobblies had been sorted, I *manually* > reconstructed all my business paperwork that was at that time in Imp > Publisher. I've done that; and used it as a learning/practice exercise -- making a virtue out of a necessity. > Obviously this was quite some time before Mr P wrote the Impression > Loader. Obviously :-) > Whereas SWMBO still uses Publisher, and though I've converted some of > her master/template documents ready to go, she still wants to use > Publisher. The program you already know is the easy option, and one cannot blame those who stick to that path (e.g. Paul beverley) but it does no harm to at least encourage them to have a go at the alternative -- to "calibrate their thinking" so to speak. > Occasionally I still use Publisher... It has its uses, but on the > whole I'm glad I went with Ovation Pro, so much so, that I also > purchased a copy of the Win PC version. Ah! A dedicated user indeed. Even I do not expect ever to go that far; but that is because I cannot contemplate doing any serious work on the Wintel Box. It is here just to handle file formats I cannot read propoerly on my "proper" computers (most notably Powerpoint files) and to crunch in the RC-72 exercise. All serious work here continues to be done on the RISC OS side, and I expect it always will. -- John Ward in Medway, Kent - using RISC OS since 1987 Now using an Iyonix, an A9home, 2 RiscPCs and Virtual-RPC! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers Read my "Councilling RISC OS" series in Qercus, from Issue 276 onward -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 27 13:56:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EqvBr-3mW000-01-1LWG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:56:29 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EqvBr-3mW000-01-1LWG; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:27:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EqvBr-3mW000-01; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:27:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EqvBr-0006t9-Ay; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:27:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EqvHF-0007iO-Fo; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:32:50 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EqvAR-0007d6-7f for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:25:47 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.133] (helo=pih-relay06.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EqvAR-0007cs-3a for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:25:47 +0000 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EqvAM-0002U3-Cr for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:25:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:23:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <4ddf633895chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hughes wrote: > Too name two; I press enter between two existing paragraphs and it > decides to have a mind of its own, and move the paragraphs off the > page (if I have linked page/column sometimes to this) - simply not > acceptable in a professional program. Is this due to the fact that you are using the numeric keypad Enter, which has a different usage to the normal Enter. The keypad Enter specifically puts in a 'Page break', rather than a simple 'New line'. > Also the frames that refuse to go where I ask it too I want to > expand the frame by say a couple of mm and it decides to move it 5 > or whatever - very annoying and time wasting. You can turn on and off the features 'Lock to guidelines' and 'Snap to objects'. I do not think the software can be blamed for doing things that are really due to being not familiar with the software. -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 27 14:15:58 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ErFVB-2ZJknw-07-11Cw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:15:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ErFVB-2ZJknw-07-11Cw; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:08:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ErFVB-2ZJknw-07; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:08:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ErFVB-0004SG-OZ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:08:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ErEaY-0000y4-O7; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:10:03 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ErFSl-0001vd-OU for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:06:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErFSl-0001vT-EV for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:06:03 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ErFSk-000FPL-31 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:06:03 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:04:39 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPScan 1.23 for RISC OS References: <155887d24d.zed@orcon.co.nz> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I upgraded to 1.23 with the original Freshen. >The DPSS !Run file doesn't contain the line: > RMEnsure UtilityModule 5.00 WimpSlot -min 1024K -max 1024K >with or without the final'K', at all! >OK, this is academic as I use an Iyonix, but have there been several >upgrades to 1.23? Yes. As I recall: (1) Original version (2) Changed !Run file to use less memory on old machines (3) New RunImage to fix bug in CMYK handling (4) Fixed bug inserted at (2) I've put a date on the www.davidpilling.net/riscos.html page that links to the upgrade. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 27 14:25:58 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ErFhV-2azGPo-04-1I3e."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:25:58 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ErFhV-2azGPo-04-1I3e; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:21:18 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ErFhV-2azGPo-04; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:21:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ErFhV-0002kg-KA; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:21:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ErGdu-0000VT-BL; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 15:21:38 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ErFfq-0002t7-EL for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:19:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErFfq-0002t2-6q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:19:34 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ErFYq-00046U-Hr for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:12:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 14:18:18 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Too name two; I press enter between two existing paragraphs and it >decides to have a mind of its own, and move the paragraphs off the >page Hard to say without seeing an example. It might be some sort of bug (certainly sounds like it) but then as others have commented there may be some rational explanation. >Also the frames that refuse to go where I ask it too I want to expand >the frame by say a couple of mm and it decides to move it 5 or >whatever - very annoying and time wasting. Snap to grid (or snap to guidelines) has been suggested. I would guess you can fix this for all new documents by saving a new "default document", however if it is a per document setting there is no global switch for it. It would be possible to set up a script to turn on/off this setting for all documents you loaded. You can use the cursor keys whilst dragging for fine control. Then there's Mr. Crawford's excellent "nudge palette" applet. http://www.crawford-print.co.uk/downloads/nudge.zip There is also the "arrange" applet: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/applets/files/arrnge.zip My feeling about laying out frames, is that freehand usually turns out to not be good enough. However doing things precisely (i.e. typing in values) is more work. I usually end up wishing there was a way of typing in the location of the right hand side of a frame. >Mail merging needs to be much improved Tell me, tell me... I appreciate your comments. Things only get better as a result of criticisms. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 27 22:26:22 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ErN7n-0l9knw-07-126q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:26:22 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ErN7n-0l9knw-07-126q; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:16:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ErN7n-0l9knw-07; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:16:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ErN7n-0002Uz-FD; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:16:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ErO4E-0001EK-8p; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:17:18 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ErN61-00016J-CX for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:15:05 +0000 Received: from [194.158.229.27] (helo=mail-ps.sunrise.ch) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErN60-000169-Sv for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:15:04 +0000 Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.166) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.066) id 439D87AC000F9D34 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 23:15:04 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: JMAH van Vredenburch X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:53:14 GMT Message-ID: <5eb30ae04d.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Skipping almost all comments but referring to an initial comment: Quote: > But I am considering going back to Impression fully simply because > OPro has too many quirks, that annoy. Unquote allow me the following suggestion. When using a "new" program it is always difficult to "forget" the former program one used. Especially with sophisticated programs with many facilities. As commented by David Pilling it appears that what seem to be "quirks" is probably due to not fully understanding the working of the program and/or knowing what facilities are available and/or how to use them. I cannot comment on Impression Publisher as I never used it, but Ovation Pro has so many facilities that one tends to forget some when not often or regularly used. The manual is certainly not as big as some windoze manuals I've seen, but still big enough not to remember everthing at all times. I believe I can state to know the Ovation Pro manual rather well, probably better than most users of Ovation Pro. Nevertheless I can assure you that I regularly consult the manual. And at times I also just force myself to read a certain chapter or just a few pages. To freshen up my memory. [Or compare it with the windoze version.%-(] It is then often amazing to discover how valuable the manual's information is. A few months ago I forced myself to read the manual I received in 1993, i.e. 12 years ago, with David Pilling's !SparkFS. Which made me realize how much I had forgotten through the years. Having never used certain aspects of the program. My advice: regularly take some time out to read manuals, even (and better) if only a few pages at a time. JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Dec 27 22:56:23 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ErNgA-1XhGPo-04-1IbV."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:56:23 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ErNgA-1XhGPo-04-1IbV; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:52:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ErNgA-1XhGPo-04; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:52:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ErNg9-0004zT-VO; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:52:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ErMb4-0006Fo-KZ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:43:07 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ErNeK-0007e0-Vr for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:50:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErNeK-0007dv-Mg for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:50:32 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ErNeK-000Jyl-JP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:50:32 +0000 Message-ID: <7SPc4HHxTcsDFwwI@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:49:21 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <5eb30ae04d.janvred@smile.ch> In-Reply-To: <5eb30ae04d.janvred@smile.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >My advice: regularly take some time out to read manuals, even (and >better) if only a few pages at a time. Hmm. people who fly aeroplanes are forced to sit down and read the instructions every so often. However some would say that consumer software should be intuitive. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 28 13:45:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ErXRM-0fPGPo-02-18qJ."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:45:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ErXRM-0fPGPo-02-18qJ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:17:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ErXRM-0fPGPo-02; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:17:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ErXRL-0007j9-VN; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:17:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ErXgf-0002Zv-7x; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:33:38 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ErXPE-0002ym-Qa for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:15:36 +0000 Received: from [62.241.163.6] (helo=astro.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErXPE-0002yg-H4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:15:36 +0000 Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455BAE0000BB for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:15:35 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20051228090122.01dcbdc8@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:15:12 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP In-Reply-To: <7SPc4HHxTcsDFwwI@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <5eb30ae04d.janvred@smile.ch> <7SPc4HHxTcsDFwwI@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-58EEFEF Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 22:49 27/12/2005, David Pilling wrote: >>JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: My advice: regularly take some time out to >>read manuals, even (and >>better) if only a few pages at a time. > >Hmm. people who fly aeroplanes are forced to sit down and read the >instructions every so often. > >However some would say that consumer software should be intuitive. "Intuitiveness" is a big discussion point. I get the impression that some people want it to mean that the software does everything for them, without user intervention (or thought), which is plainly not possible. The argument for intuitiveness is also used as an excuse for not reading the manual at all, which could be construed as idleness, but that statement could be construed as provocative and argumentative. :o) The "intuitive" brigade will then jump to the defence of their argument and spend much time on that argument which would be better spent on reading the manual. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.8/215 - Release Date: 27/12/2005 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 28 16:35:40 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EreEN-04qknw-01-123I."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:35:40 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EreEN-04qknw-01-123I; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:32:51 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EreEN-04qknw-01; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:32:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EreEN-0007BB-1k; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:32:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EreJT-0004Sy-Oz; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:38:09 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EreCM-0001vp-1X for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:30:46 +0000 Received: from [212.62.69.126] (helo=sally.dts-online.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EreCL-0001vZ-9E for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:30:45 +0000 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-116-35.teleos-web.de [213.182.116.35]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CA33C4DB023 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:30:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:30:52 +0100 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 28 Dec 2005 17:30:51 +0100 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:30:51 +0100 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <2c876be04d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd4d9774bric@f2s.com> <5f2c4add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <4ddd53222fjohn@acornusers.org> <9e8751df4d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <5eb30ae04d.janvred@smile.ch> <7SPc4HHxTcsDFwwI@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7SPc4HHxTcsDFwwI@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <7SPc4HHxTcsDFwwI@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >My advice: regularly take some time out to read manuals, even (and > >better) if only a few pages at a time. > > Hmm. people who fly aeroplanes are forced to sit down and read the > instructions every so often. > > However some would say that consumer software should be intuitive. > "In the future, airplanes will be flown by a dog and a pilot. And the dog's job will be to make sure that if the pilot tries to touch any of the buttons, the dog bites him." - Scott Adams (of Dilbert, not Adventure International) Sounds tricky to deliver a dog with a CD, but future is calling. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 28 16:45:41 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EreNP-0THknw-01-1IxI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:45:41 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EreNP-0THknw-01-1IxI; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:42:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EreNP-0THknw-01; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:42:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EreNP-0001Ir-Fq; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:42:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ErfJv-0005wJ-Oe; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:42:40 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EreM2-0004pT-HU for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:40:46 +0000 Received: from [195.188.213.7] (helo=smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EreM2-0004pN-8y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:40:46 +0000 Received: from iyonixpc.workgroup ([82.32.7.157]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:41:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:30:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] DPScan 1.23 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4de06b8917jack@ljsevans.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Dec 2005 16:41:43.0712 (UTC) FILETIME=[95DCE200:01C60BCD] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Why is it that when I load 1 Mb+ jpegs with 1.23 DPlngScan on the iconbar, running on the Iyonix, only a quarter (?) of the image is displayed. Is this a known limitation? There is of course Photodesk as an alternative - I don't have to use DPS in this way. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 28 17:15:42 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EreoR-21Lknw-01-kQC."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:15:42 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EreoR-21Lknw-01-kQC; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:10:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EreoR-21Lknw-01; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:10:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EreoR-0006ZV-No; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:10:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Erdtn-0001oP-HK; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:11:36 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Eremh-00088Q-Jl for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:08:19 +0000 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eremh-00088I-4P for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:08:19 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.pnyoung.ormail.co.uk (dsl82-163-181-61.as15444.net [82.163.181.61]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jBSH84sS016175 for ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:08:05 GMT Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPScan 1.23 for RISC OS To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Dr Peter Young X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.11b1 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:08:08 GMT Message-ID: References: <4de06b8917jack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de06b8917jack@ljsevans.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-mx1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.111, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.06, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.05) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 28 Dec 2005 Jack Evans wrote: > Why is it that when I load 1 Mb+ jpegs with 1.23 DPlngScan on the > iconbar, running on the Iyonix, only a quarter (?) of the image is > displayed. > > Is this a known limitation? There is of course Photodesk as an > alternative - I don't have to use DPS in this way. One possible cause of this problem, which took me a long time to solve, is that the app can default to too small a value of the dpi setting. Mine defaults to 90, and changing this to, say, 300, x and y, brings the whole image into view, albeit smaller. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 Anne \ / __ __ \ England. and / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk family / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 28 17:15:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Ereqm-119000-04-1ITv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:15:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Ereqm-119000-04-1ITv; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:12:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Ereqm-119000-04; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:12:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Ereqm-0007Nn-IH; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:12:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Erdlc-0000d3-EG; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 16:03:09 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ErepR-0008Lq-9M for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:11:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErepR-0008Lj-5g for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:11:09 +0000 Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ErepQ-000O3s-CN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:11:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: mailing To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:11:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan 1.23 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4de06f3690mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de06b8917jack@ljsevans.co.uk> References: <4de06b8917jack@ljsevans.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4de06b8917jack@ljsevans.co.uk>, Jack Evans wrote: > Why is it that when I load 1 Mb+ jpegs with 1.23 DPlngScan on the > iconbar, running on the Iyonix, only a quarter (?) of the image is > displayed. It's not a matter of file size (in bytes) but image size (in pixels) and resolution (dots per inch). DPlngScan uses a fixed page size, which can be changed for an existing document using File>Page size, or for new documents using the Page panel in Choices. For the default size of A4 landscape, and the default resolution (unless another is specified in the file itself) of 90dpi, the biggest image that will fit on an A4 page is 744×1052 pixels, so larger pictures from modern digital cameras will be only partly visible until you change the page size and/or resolution. I have the page size in Choices set to A1 landscape, which will comfortably accomodate both portrait and landscape-format pictures from my 2560×1920 camera at 90dpi without having to change anything. Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 28 17:45:44 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ErfIM-1l6Vbs-02-19Vp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:45:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ErfIM-1l6Vbs-02-19Vp; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:41:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ErfIM-1l6Vbs-02; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:41:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ErfIM-00007S-Eg; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:41:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ErfXg-0006qu-4T; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:56:53 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ErfGq-000516-Vr for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:39:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErfGq-00050z-Jc for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:39:28 +0000 Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ErfGq-000NwW-7S for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:39:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:40:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPScan 1.23 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4de071eb6ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de06b8917jack@ljsevans.co.uk> References: <4de06b8917jack@ljsevans.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4de06b8917jack@ljsevans.co.uk>, Jack Evans wrote: > Why is it that when I load 1 Mb+ jpegs with 1.23 DPlngScan on the > iconbar, running on the Iyonix, only a quarter (?) of the image is > displayed. You might need to selct a bigger paper size: Menu > File > pagesize -- >From KT24 - in "leafy" Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 28 18:05:45 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Erfg5-3fP000-04-1Hec."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:05:45 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Erfg5-3fP000-04-1Hec; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:05:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Erfg5-3fP000-04; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:05:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Erfg5-00020N-Cl; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:05:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ErelO-0005f1-SY; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 17:06:59 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ErfdL-00087N-BD for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:02:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErfdK-00086Q-CX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:02:42 +0000 Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([83.104.180.237] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ErfdF-000A4F-Lt for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:02:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan 1.23 for RISC OS To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:02:57 GMT Message-ID: References: <4de06b8917jack@ljsevans.co.uk> <4de06f3690mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de06f3690mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4de06f3690mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> mailing wrote: > In article <4de06b8917jack@ljsevans.co.uk>, > Jack Evans wrote: >> Why is it that when I load 1 Mb+ jpegs with 1.23 DPlngScan on the >> iconbar, running on the Iyonix, only a quarter (?) of the image is >> displayed. >=20 > It's not a matter of file size (in bytes) but image size (in pixels) > and resolution (dots per inch). DPlngScan uses a fixed page size, > which can be changed for an existing document using File>Page size, or > for new documents using the Page panel in Choices. For the default > size of A4 landscape, and the default resolution (unless another is > specified in the file itself) of 90dpi, the biggest image that will > fit on an A4 page is 744=D71052 pixels, so larger pictures from modern > digital cameras will be only partly visible until you change the page > size and/or resolution. >=20 > I have the page size in Choices set to A1 landscape, which will > comfortably accomodate both portrait and landscape-format pictures > from my 2560=D71920 camera at 90dpi without having to change anything. >=20 > Peter Newble. Yes - this is exactly how I have it set up much of the time, the only=20 extra point to be made being the use of the 'magnifying glass' icon to=20 reduce the view size to see the whole picture on screen. My 3072 x=20 2048 pixel pictures take a scale of 41% to occupy the full width of my=20 screen set to 1280 x 1024, give or take a bit of window furniture. Or - more fiddly - alter the dpi settings from 90 to a larger figure:=20 for the above pics/screen, about 220 dpi gets a full width display. (But for just VIEWING pics, I use a much faster display app. like=20 !SwiftJPEG!) [Incidentally, I found that if I'd loaded more than about 3 digipics=20 of this size into DPlngScan at once (i.e. into 3+ separate windows)=20 e.g. to select the best version of several similar shots, redrawing/=20 resizing of windows slowed right down to a useless grind, however much=20 memory I threw at the problem. I never did get this sorted (despite=20 help from this group), but Geminus has provided a rather wonderful=20 workaround! :-) ] JR. --=20 Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Simple; elegant; productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 28 18:35:46 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Erg6h-1uY000-05-1PkW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:35:46 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Erg6h-1uY000-05-1PkW; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:33:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Erg6h-1uY000-05; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:33:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Erg6h-0003tN-D0; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:33:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Erg6f-0003UA-GU; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:33:02 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Erg4t-0003WY-Pt for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:31:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Erg4t-0003W3-F2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:31:11 +0000 Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([80.176.244.156] helo=iyonix.iyonix) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Erg4t-000CJR-AA for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:31:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Newble To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 18:31:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPScan 1.23 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4de0768a9emailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4de06b8917jack@ljsevans.co.uk> <4de06f3690mailing@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/5.10) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , Jeremy Roberts wrote: > (But for just VIEWING pics, I use a much faster display app. like > !SwiftJPEG!) . . . or !Thump, in my case. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 28 21:01:00 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EriIF-2lj000-07-gwO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:01:00 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EriIF-2lj000-07-gwO; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:53:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EriIF-2lj000-07; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:53:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EriIE-0003Ox-UG; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:53:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EriID-0004ZO-DG; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:53:06 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EriGi-00071v-OI for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:51:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EriGi-00071m-J5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:51:32 +0000 Received: from joyces.demon.co.uk ([158.152.140.66]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EriGh-0001tv-8g for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:51:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve Joyce To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:49:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: TranTIFF+ enhanced TIFF loading for RISC OS Message-ID: <4de0833e35Steve@joyces.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4ddb438c86Steve@joyces.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >Downloaded a copy with intention of using with Publisher. Replaced > >copy of !TransTIFF in !CCShared and subsequently got complaints when > >attempting to start !Publisher - "can't find !TransTIFF !Boot". Second > >attempt works ok, so I guess something not being seen at the right > >time, but what? > As you say, something must be trying to run !Boot in TransTIFF. > You could set off with !Run in Publisher and trace through what it > calls up. > The fact that you get this error the first time, and not subsequently > points to something looking if a system variable is set up, and if not > attempting to boot things. > If you have a program that searches the contents of all files, that > might be a quick way to find the reference. Oh dear, it all my own fault - should have known better! Modified existing line that referenced !TransTIFF, changing to !TransTIFF+ - not noticing that the 's' of TransTIFF should have been removed as well. Been caught like that before. Once the mistake was spotted and corrected, all worked as expected. Many thanks and apologies Steve -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 28 21:21:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Eribh-40lknw-06-gcw."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:21:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Eribh-40lknw-06-gcw; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:13:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Eribh-40lknw-06; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:13:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Eribh-0000ep-Ml; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:13:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Erign-0005AV-QP; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:18:31 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EriaK-0000vW-3o for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:11:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EriaJ-0000vQ-Ug for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:11:47 +0000 Received: from joyces.demon.co.uk ([158.152.140.66]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EriaJ-0004Qe-6U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:11:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve Joyce To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:11:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP Message-ID: <4de08540edSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Perhaps you could entice people over to OPro by offering them a > >discount if they hand in their Impression master discs. That's what CC > >originally did to entice me into the Impression fold! :-) > I have a dim memory that Beebug did do this at some point. The problem > then was that many people had more than one set of Impression discs. > Today, with 60,000 copies of Impression sold, and 3,000 users of RISC > OS left, the situation has not improved 8-) > Thanks for the kind comments. > I think it is quite understandable that people want to stick with what > works. That is why only 100% compatibility with Impression is good > enough for many. I still use Impression/Publisher+ and have a huge volume of documents created using them. I'd dearly love something that is still actively supported that will cope reasonably well with importing Impression documents. There are some things that Publisher doesn't do, that I'd be willing to pay good money for - some quite trivial, but important to me. Thought XAT were going to do a 'Artworks Style' re-work, but its been a long time with no apparent action. I've got a trial version of OP but have yet to crack how to print in pamphlet mode (2x A5 on an A4 sheet), and how to create new master pages (or achieve the layouts I want without creating new master pages). It may be that I'm so conditioned by the Impression approach to creating documents that I can't get off the ground with OP. Cheers, Steve -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Dec 28 22:57:51 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1Erk89-2NCGPo-08-1cm6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:57:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1Erk89-2NCGPo-08-1cm6; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:50:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1Erk89-2NCGPo-08; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:50:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1Erk89-0001RP-Ki; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:50:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1Erl4h-0004eg-UD; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:51:20 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Erk6P-0006pd-MH for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:49:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Erk6P-0006pX-Eh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:49:01 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Erk6P-0005dG-DJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:49:01 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:47:27 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4de08540edSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de08540edSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >created using them. I'd dearly love something that is still actively >supported that will cope reasonably well with importing Impression >documents. Ovation Pro? >There are some things that Publisher doesn't do, that I'd be willing to >pay good money for - some quite trivial, but important to me. Thought XAT e.g.? >I've got a trial version of OP but have yet to crack how to print in >pamphlet mode (2x A5 on an A4 sheet) Print window, format -> Pamphlet, click on Print. >, and how to create new master pages Every chapter has its own master page (a bit different to Impression). This is something people have criticised, for example if you have 10 chapters and they all have the same master page. >documents that I can't get off the ground with OP. The manual for the Windows version of OP is available on my web site - in PDF format. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 29 14:05:57 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ErsNf-1ZMGPo-05-nu0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:05:57 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ErsNf-1ZMGPo-05-nu0; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:39:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ErsNf-1ZMGPo-05; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:39:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ErsNf-000588-J2; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:39:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ErrT0-0007nc-NX; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:40:51 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsMH-00059Y-AP for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:37:57 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErsMG-00059N-W9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:37:57 +0000 Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051229073748.LJDE21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:37:48 +0000 Received: from Iyonix ([82.9.212.163]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051229073748.VJZX1068.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix> for ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:37:48 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: OP and MP To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 22:22:26 +0100 Message-ID: <693986e04d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <4dd9b6fc86nedabell@weatherpost.org.uk> <85723add4d.alan@ntlworld.com> <916f41dd4d.Kevin@freeuk.com> <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4de08540edSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de08540edSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4de08540edSteve@joyces.demon.co.uk> Steve Joyce wrote: > In article <7EC8t8AftrqDFwxe@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: >> >Perhaps you could entice people over to OPro by offering them a >> >discount if they hand in their Impression master discs. That's what CC >> >originally did to entice me into the Impression fold! :-) > >> I have a dim memory that Beebug did do this at some point. The problem >> then was that many people had more than one set of Impression discs. > >> Today, with 60,000 copies of Impression sold, and 3,000 users of RISC >> OS left, the situation has not improved 8-) > >> Thanks for the kind comments. > >> I think it is quite understandable that people want to stick with what >> works. That is why only 100% compatibility with Impression is good >> enough for many. > > I still use Impression/Publisher+ and have a huge volume of documents > created using them. I'd dearly love something that is still actively > supported that will cope reasonably well with importing Impression > documents. > > There are some things that Publisher doesn't do, that I'd be willing to > pay good money for - some quite trivial, but important to me. Thought XAT > were going to do a 'Artworks Style' re-work, but its been a long time > with no apparent action. > > I've got a trial version of OP but have yet to crack how to print in > pamphlet mode (2x A5 on an A4 sheet), This is pretty easy: Click on the printer icon in OP change normal to pamphlet click Print set up Change scale to 100 If duplexing click tumble click set then print Depending what you want you may need to go back to your document to page Modify chapter and Start on left or right. >and how to create new master pages > (or achieve the layouts I want without creating new master pages). It may > be that I'm so conditioned by the Impression approach to creating > documents that I can't get off the ground with OP. With master page you can go to Page>Edit master page this give you a Master page then on that page go to Page and then use that for Page Guide lines which gives you page sizes /sidesway etc. > A quick email to David will get a fast response to any problem and once you have the magnificent instruction book/ guide that goes with the product you are laughing 8-) Alan -- Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Dec 29 14:06:10 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ErwyS-3RX000-03-1Pvn."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 14:06:10 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ErwyS-3RX000-03-1Pvn; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:33:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ErwyS-3RX000-03; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:33:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ErwyS-0002Mx-FH; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:33:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ErxDm-0006gC-E9; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:49:32 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ErwwH-0004YO-VL for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:31:25 +0000 Received: from [195.188.213.5] (helo=smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ErwwH-0004YJ-KM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:31:25 +0000 Received: from iyonixpc.workgroup ([82.32.7.157]) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:32:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:19:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] DPScan 1.23 for RISC OS Message-ID: <4de0d8609ajack@ljsevans.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4de071eb6ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> References: <4de06b8917jack@ljsevans.co.uk> <4de071eb6ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2005 12:32:23.0250 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB254B20:01C60C73] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4de071eb6ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>, charles wrote: > In article <4de06b8917jack@ljsevans.co.uk>, > Jack Evans wrote: > > Why is it that when I load 1 Mb+ jpegs with 1.23 DPlngScan on the > > iconbar, running on the Iyonix, only a quarter (?) of the image is > > displayed. > You might need to selct a bigger paper size: > Menu > File > pagesize Of course, why didn't I try this? Setting pagesize to A0 displays it in all its glory. And the pixel setting works too - thanks Peter, Charles and Jeremy. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto:jack@ljsevans.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 30 16:00:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EsMb2-23FVbs-05-rmh."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:00:43 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EsMb2-23FVbs-05-rmh; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:55:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EsMb2-23FVbs-05; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:55:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EsMb1-0001og-Ue; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:55:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EsNXm-0004t3-9s; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:55:54 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EsMYo-0001ZZ-5d for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:52:54 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.158] (helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsMYn-0001ZT-SS for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:52:53 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3004.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8ED0C1C001C9 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:52:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-1156.l4a.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.77.244.132]) by mwinf3004.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 558B71C001C7 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:52:53 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051230155253350.558B71C001C7@mwinf3004.me.freeserve.com Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:52:12 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Oddity creating pdf file - OPro RISC OS 2.73 Message-ID: <72a96fe14d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <18ee65dd4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > In message , Alan > Adams writes > >I'll look into that as well. > > I'd be happy to give the document a go on my machine. Easier to comment > on it if I can see it go wrong. However I can't see it going wrong now. I suspect switching between printer drivers to create the Postscript changed a paper size, and repaginated. Anyway, there doesn't seem to be a problem now. (However it would be nice if the other issue - hidden overflow markers - could be fixed some time - please?) -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 30 16:00:44 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EsMbn-1Veknw-02-1HLU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:00:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EsMbn-1Veknw-02-1HLU; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:55:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EsMbn-1Veknw-02; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:55:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EsMbn-0004dV-7C; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:55:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EsLh6-0003X7-NL; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:57:25 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EsMZm-0001jB-MV for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:53:54 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.158] (helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsMZm-0001iu-HM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:53:54 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3004.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4DE601C001C7 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:53:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-1156.l4a.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.77.244.132]) by mwinf3004.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 0FB971C001C6 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:53:54 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051230155354645.0FB971C001C6@mwinf3004.me.freeserve.com Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:53:49 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Oddity creating pdf file - OPro RISC OS 2.73 Message-ID: <58cf6fe14d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <18ee65dd4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> <2bfdcddd4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> In-Reply-To: <2bfdcddd4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <2bfdcddd4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> you wrote: > In message <18ee65dd4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> > Alan Adams wrote: > > > I tried to view the postscript intermediate file in gview, but get "not > > enough memory". There is 56M free. > > > > RO4.02 > > This should be more than enough unless you have a silly scaling value > set in the GView options window. An A4 page, rendered in true colour > (16M colours) at 100% scaling will result in a total amount of 6 to 7 > MB required for GView. > > It is unclear where the error occurs for you (it would help if you > specified in what kind of window it is displayed), but if the problem > occurs when starting GhostScript, then you can increase the amount of > memory given to it in the GView options window. > > Current versions are GView 1.41 and GhostScript 7.03. I had GView 1.20. I've now upgraded, and it works. I appeared to have Ghostscript 7.03, but just in case, I've upgraded that as well. Thanks. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Dec 30 16:10:44 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EsMlK-2fOGPo-03-108v."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:10:44 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EsMlK-2fOGPo-03-108v; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:05:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EsMlK-2fOGPo-03; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:05:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EsMlK-00036d-Bl; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:05:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EsLfy-0002wZ-D1; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:56:15 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EsMhe-0002iP-FT for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:02:02 +0000 Received: from [193.252.22.158] (helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EsMhe-0002hP-8X for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:02:02 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3016.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 361D6C400090 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:01:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from rpc (user-1156.l4a.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk [81.77.244.132]) by mwinf3016.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id E8178C40008F for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:01:55 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051230160155950.E8178C40008F@mwinf3016.me.freeserve.com Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:01:41 GMT From: Alan Adams To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Oddity creating pdf file - OPro RISC OS 2.73 Message-ID: References: <18ee65dd4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > In message <18ee65dd4d.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>, Alan > Adams writes > >Following a route I've used loads of times, I've encountered unexpected > >behaviour. I have a document originated in OPro. I printed to file using a > >The line wrapping has changed during the process. > > This is unlikely. Lines are printed one by one. > > Unless you're doing mail merge there is also no reformatting going on > inside Ovation Pro between what is on screen and what is sent to the > printer. > > Now it may be something that looks like reformatting. For example there > are all sorts of nasty problems with justification and PostScript > printing in some versions of the RISC OS printer drivers. However your > text is left justified. > > The contents of text areas in Draw files are reformatted on the fly, but > I doubt you're talking about those. > > "Level 1 PostScript driver" - shudder. > > >RO4.02, OPro 2.73. > > 2.73 is long out of date > > >The text has overflowed, but the overflow marker is not seen. During screen > >redraw it does appear, very briefly, under the picture, instead of at the > >end of the visible part of the text frame. (In other words, at the bottom > >right-hand corner of the text frame, which then gets covered by the > >picture.) As a result I printed the document with text missing. (OK, I > >should have checked it visually. In this case the problem was visible on > >screen.) Has this been reported before? > > I believe what you describe is how things are supposed to work - fair > point, that may not be the most useful way. > > Try the PrePress applet which will warn you about problems before > printing. Thanks. That works. It was installed already, but I had expected it to run automatically, maybe as a result of clicking Print. -- Alan Adams, from Northamptonshire alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net