From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Oct 3 13:59:23 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EMLWv-0uiknw-01-1GE6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 13:59:23 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EMLWv-0uiknw-01-1GE6; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:18:37 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EMLWv-0uiknw-01; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:18:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EMLWu-0000CV-MZ; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:18:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EMKdV-00038G-H8; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:21:21 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EMLV9-0003MG-9c for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:16:47 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.132] (helo=pih-relay05.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMLV8-0003M7-VZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:16:47 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EMLUy-00058t-F6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:16:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:16:10 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Weird memory problem on Iyonix Message-ID: <4db3f458f0chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> References: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com>, pv wrote: > Following my long time saga of memory corruption on the Iyonix > (first discussed on the Iyonix mailing list), it's been happening > quite frequently tonight, and I've reproduced it a couple of times > so I may have narrowed down the problem. > To recap, I've been getting random crashes, with the only visible > indication being a single line (or two) of 'random' pixels > horizontally across the background JPEG image. At first I suspected > a faulty memory chip, but having replaced and tested the original > memory, it's not that. > It looks like a clash between Oregano and OvationPro, as if I have > Oregano on the bar and then load OvationPro and start typing, it > will invariably cause the crash within a minute or two - even after > a reboot and nothing else loaded. > Both on their own seem perfectly stable, so I'm wondering if it's > something obscure like a dynamic memory allocation going wrong - a > bit like Photodesk not loading if Oregano is already loaded, but I > presume Ovation doesn't do the same check, so loads anyway, and > possibly corrupts something a little while later? Sorry, didn't realise this had been cross-posted. I sent the following to the Iyonix maillist a wee while ago. --------------------------------------------------------- I regularly use Oregano2 as my main browser, so it is almost always on the iconbar, and Ovation Pro is pretty regularly used as well for a range of tasks. I have never seen the problem you speak of, so there must be something more to it than simply having O2 and OPro running together. Since my machine is on most of the time (days at a time), and I use a wide range of apps, most combinations of dynamic memory allocation and apps must have been met at some time. I also use Aemulor intermittently, i.e. only when it is needed, such as for Impression, and is then quit (all) when Impression is quit. ------------------------------------------------------------ Chris... -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Mon Oct 3 14:19:19 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EMQAy-2hFknw-05-1Sd5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:19:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EMQAy-2hFknw-05-1Sd5; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:16:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EMQAy-2hFknw-05; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:16:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EMQAx-0006PM-Ut; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:16:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EMPKq-0006uX-6a; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:22:24 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EMQ8I-0003aQ-1R for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:13:30 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMQ8H-0003aI-Mx for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:13:29 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EMQ8H-000EM8-A5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:13:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:12:02 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Weird memory problem on Iyonix References: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >To recap, I've been getting random crashes, with the only visible >indication being a single line (or two) of 'random' pixels horizontally >across the background JPEG image. At first I suspected a faulty memory >chip, but having replaced and tested the original memory, it's not that. One could read that two ways. If you're browsing through a document and notice some corrupt pixels, then one conclusion could be that something has corrupted memory. However if the machine crashes and you're left with an image on screen that appears corrupt a more likely scenario is that some code has gone haywire (the code causing the crash) and written to screen memory. For the first situation suspecting a memory problem is reasonable, for the second it is not. >It looks like a clash between Oregano and OvationPro, as if I have Oregano >on the bar and then load OvationPro and start typing, it will invariably >cause the crash within a minute or two - even after a reboot and nothing >else loaded. That sounds possible. It doesn't have to be very complex. Could be a simple thing like, some specific property of Ovation Pro, the keyboard module for example. However there's also plenty of scope for memory use upsetting things. For example one program has a bug that is triggered by the random contents of memory and the other program happens to set memory up that way. Then there is shared resources, your document uses one particular font which leaves things set up in a way that Oregano does not like. One feature of Windows NT that was touted, is that it meets some security guidelines by always wiping any memory before handing it from one application to another. I don't know off hand, but I suspect RISC OS does not do that, if so programs are tested with a stream of random memory contents. >obscure like a dynamic memory allocation going wrong - a bit like Photodesk >not loading if Oregano is already loaded, but I presume Ovation doesn't do >the same check, so loads anyway, and possibly corrupts something a little >while later? No, why would it? The game is supposed to be all about co-operating applications. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 11 17:10:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EMQEs-2Wnknw-08-1SZB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:10:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EMQEs-2Wnknw-08-1SZB; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:20:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EMQEs-2Wnknw-08; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:20:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EMQEs-00000f-EU; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:20:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EMPOk-0007YG-UY; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:26:26 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EMQDU-0004yb-VQ for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:18:52 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMQDU-0004yP-NB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:18:52 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EMQ7v-000CMG-H4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:13:07 +0000 Message-ID: <+tTt3oBy9SQDFwzA@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:17:38 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows, all CDs shipped MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've now shipped all the paid for copies of the Ovation Pro for Windows CD. If you've not got yours in a couple of weeks let me know. Some destinations take longer than others, at the moment the Netherlands seems to take about two weeks, Australia and NZ a lot less. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 11 17:10:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EMRkR-0AHGPo-05-1i6e."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:10:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EMRkR-0AHGPo-05-1i6e; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:56:59 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EMRkR-0AHGPo-05; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:56:59 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EMRkQ-0002fq-RN; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:56:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EMR1B-0001Cd-O3; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:10:13 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EMRht-0005DV-GF for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:54:21 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMRht-0005DO-9U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:54:21 +0100 Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EMRbw-000Fxn-4b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:48:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:57:42 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows, all CDs shipped Message-ID: <4db4191c2ccharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+tTt3oBy9SQDFwzA@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <+tTt3oBy9SQDFwzA@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <+tTt3oBy9SQDFwzA@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I've now shipped all the paid for copies of the Ovation Pro for Windows > CD. Mine arrived this morning. Thanks -- >From KT24 - in "leafy" Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 11 17:10:31 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EMSiK-1H5000-06-192h."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:10:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EMSiK-1H5000-06-192h; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:58:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EMSiK-1H5000-06; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:58:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EMSiJ-0007Ca-Vy; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:58:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EMRz0-0005Ho-Ta; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:12:02 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EMSgW-0007fq-CG for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:57:00 +0100 Received: from [194.158.229.43] (helo=mail-ps.sunrise.ch) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EMSgV-0007ff-LZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:56:59 +0100 Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.26) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.066) id 433B588C0004B7B4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:56:59 +0200 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:43:58 +0100 From: JMAH van Vredenburch To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Weird memory problem on Iyonix Message-ID: <8f581db44d.janvred@smile.ch> References: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> you wrote: [snip 1st para] > To recap, I've been getting random crashes, with the only visible > indication being a single line (or two) of 'random' pixels horizontally > across the background JPEG image. ..................... I've seen exactly the same since approx. 2 weeks. Do not recall what programs where running apart of OvPro (document of over 220 pages). > Has anyone any better ideas/suggestions/solutions? Not at present. If I see it again I shall check what programs are running. Generally I do not have Oregano running. Report follows. JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 11 17:12:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EOijY-4VOknw-07-1DwF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:12:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EOijY-4VOknw-07-1DwF; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:29:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EOijY-4VOknw-07; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:29:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EOijY-00028l-1b; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:29:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EOi0E-0005tw-Ff; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 21:42:38 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EOig1-0005tY-C0 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:25:49 +0100 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EOig1-0005tK-2Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:25:49 +0100 Received: from adsl-164-21.freeuk.com ([80.168.164.21] helo=RiscPC) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EOig0-000L9w-8r for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:25:48 +0100 Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 22:28:28 +0100 From: Michael Hunter To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Printer Definition Files Message-ID: <8ee653b74d.8Chestnut@8chestnut.freeuk.com> References: <+tTt3oBy9SQDFwzA@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <+tTt3oBy9SQDFwzA@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Disposition-Notification-To: Michael Hunter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I realise this is not the right place for this question but I can't think of anywhere else to ask. I've decided to update my printers and found that !Printers+ claims to allow you to select different feed trays on the printer and other printer options (duplex?). I'm using a postscript printer (in fact a Brother 1660) but I can't find any driver files which allow this sort of control. I may of course be missing the obvious but would welcome any assistance in finding the files. 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From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 11 17:12:44 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EOy3q-0vMGPo-02-ybx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:12:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EOy3q-0vMGPo-02-ybx; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:51:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EOy3q-0vMGPo-02; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:51:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EOy3q-0006zp-6p; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:51:26 +0000 Received: from svr1.spellings.net ([212.69.206.29]) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EOxCn-0000Y9-Dy; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:56:37 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EOxzY-0003Rf-9J for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:47:00 +0100 Received: from [81.187.81.52] (helo=smtp.aaisp.net.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EOxzX-0003RZ-UJ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:46:59 +0100 Received: from [81.2.82.47] (helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EOxzX-00068C-H7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:46:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:41:27 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printer Definition Files Message-ID: <4db7acfad9gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8ee653b74d.8Chestnut@8chestnut.freeuk.com> References: <+tTt3oBy9SQDFwzA@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8ee653b74d.8Chestnut@8chestnut.freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <8ee653b74d.8Chestnut@8chestnut.freeuk.com>, Michael Hunter wrote: > I've decided to update my printers and found that !Printers+ claims to > allow you to select different feed trays on the printer and other Yes. But that's also true of earlier versions of !Printers. > printer options (duplex?). I'm using a postscript printer (in fact a > Brother 1660) but I can't find any driver files which allow this sort > of control. I may of course be missing the obvious but would welcome > any assistance in finding the files. You need the snippets of PostScript code that the printer uses to select the feed options. Try looking through the Windows driver that will have come with the printer for a PPD file. This is a text file containing the details you need. Or print some pages to file from a PC that's setup with the driver and examine the output in a text editor to discover the codes. This topic has been discussed before on this mailing list and it may be worthwhile for you to look back through the archives. In one such discussion on Duplex Printing I posted a detailed description of how to set up duplex settings in !Printers 1.64. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 11 17:12:46 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EOzhp-0K2knw-04-1MXW."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:12:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EOzhp-0K2knw-04-1MXW; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:36:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EOzhp-0K2knw-04; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:36:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EOzhp-000336-L1; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:36:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EOyoG-000481-Ud; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:39:25 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EOzct-0004Ak-Il for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:31:43 +0100 Received: from [62.241.162.31] (helo=galaxy.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EOzct-0004Ac-6o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:31:43 +0100 Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B73E000475 for ; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:31:42 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20051010162907.01dbe268@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:31:18 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Printer Definition Files In-Reply-To: <4db7acfad9gav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <+tTt3oBy9SQDFwzA@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8ee653b74d.8Chestnut@8chestnut.freeuk.com> <4db7acfad9gav@crawford-print.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4E661CC9 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 14:41 10/10/2005, Gavin Crawford wrote: >[snip] >This topic has been discussed before on this mailing list and it may be >worthwhile for you to look back through the archives. In one such >discussion on Duplex Printing I posted a detailed description of how to >set up duplex settings in !Printers 1.64. I don't keep all the postings from my newsgroup activities. As a general topic, where would I look for "the archives" for a newsgroup such as this? -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/126 - Release Date: 09/10/2005 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 11 17:12:46 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EP0uA-4fBknw-07-1kuj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:12:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EP0uA-4fBknw-07-1kuj; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:53:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EP0uA-4fBknw-07; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:53:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EP0u9-0001Ov-Rf; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:53:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EP0u7-0004wa-Sy; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:53:35 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EP0rp-0001X5-9m for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:51:13 +0100 Received: from [81.187.81.52] (helo=smtp.aaisp.net.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EP0rp-0001Wy-0S for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:51:13 +0100 Received: from [81.2.82.47] (helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EP0rm-0007dz-KO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:51:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:50:50 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printer Definition Files Message-ID: <4db7be5186gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20051010162907.01dbe268@mail.btinternet.com> References: <+tTt3oBy9SQDFwzA@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8ee653b74d.8Chestnut@8chestnut.freeuk.com> <4db7acfad9gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20051010162907.01dbe268@mail.btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6.0.3.0.2.20051010162907.01dbe268@mail.btinternet.com>, Phillip Marsden wrote: > I don't keep all the postings from my newsgroup activities. As a > general topic, where would I look for "the archives" for a newsgroup > such as this? http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/support.html I forgot to say that my posting about paper feeds was dated 9th September 2002. -- Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 11 17:13:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPMBi-3O4000-08-1H6f."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:13:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPMBi-3O4000-08-1H6f; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:37:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPMBi-3O4000-08; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:37:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPMBi-0003uO-0k; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:37:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPLEB-00029y-Rc; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:35:39 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPM8a-0006HI-KS for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:33:56 +0100 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPM8a-0006H3-0o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:33:56 +0100 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051011153351.XJRM21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:33:51 +0100 Received: from dhcppc3 ([81.96.84.127]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051011153351.VEDQ8786.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@dhcppc3> for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:33:51 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:33:47 +0100 From: Chris Terran To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Disappearing toolbox Message-ID: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> X-Organization: Cake User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I seem to have lost the Toolbox (the vertical pane of tools on the left of the main window). Switching it on and off in the View dialogue doesn't bring it back, and neither does quitting OP or reboots. I think it disappeared when I moved an OP window mostly off-screen; the Info Palette (the lower pane) also jumped to an odd position at top left of the screen, but I was able to move that back to its normal position. Using OP2.75, RO 5.10. Also possibly relevant: I was using Workspace when it happened (provides 'virtual desktops') and I was on a subsidiary display. Does anyone know how I can get it back? Best, Chris -- *** Chris & Lee's Photodesk tutorials, tips and resources *** http://www.photodesk.iconbar.com *** Latest: Venus transit at http://www.roast.iconbar.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 11 17:20:16 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPMow-1Yfknw-07-1XWT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:20:16 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPMow-1Yfknw-07-1XWT; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:17:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPMow-1Yfknw-07; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:17:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPMow-00002W-2E; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:17:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPM5j-0000h7-A5; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:30:59 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPMl7-0006KW-VP for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:13:45 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.212] (helo=ptb-relay01.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPMl7-0006KI-Lw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:13:45 +0100 Received: from [212.159.46.232] (helo=IYONIX) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EPMl5-0006cM-1J for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:13:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Evan Clark To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:13:17 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing toolbox Message-ID: <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> References: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com>, Chris Terran wrote: > I seem to have lost the Toolbox (the vertical pane of tools on the > left of the main window). Switching it on and off in the View > dialogue doesn't bring it back, and neither does quitting OP or > reboots. [Snip] > Does anyone know how I can get it back? Quoting DP from the OPro list in Oct, 2000: There is a bug... the toolbox gets huge offsets and so doesn't appear. A medal for anyone who call tell me how to reproduce this bug. Anyway the fix seems to be to use choices to dettach and then reattach the toolbox from the document. HTH. Evan. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 11 17:50:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPNKJ-3nuknw-05-IIS."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:50:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPNKJ-3nuknw-05-IIS; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:50:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPNKJ-3nuknw-05; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:50:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPNKJ-0000sU-4L; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:50:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPMMW-0005DU-Iw; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:48:20 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPNBr-0003xh-33 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:41:23 +0100 Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPNBq-0003xG-LQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:41:22 +0100 Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051011164118.BUSY9239.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:41:18 +0100 Received: from dhcppc3 ([81.96.84.127]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051011164118.WSVG6564.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@dhcppc3> for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:41:18 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 17:41:00 +0100 From: Chris Terran To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing toolbox Message-ID: <194141b84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> References: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> X-Organization: Cake User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> Evan Clark wrote: > In article <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com>, > Chris Terran wrote: > > > I seem to have lost the Toolbox (the vertical pane of tools on the [snip] > Quoting DP from the OPro list in Oct, 2000: > > > There is a bug... the toolbox gets huge offsets and so doesn't appear. > A medal for anyone who call tell me how to reproduce this bug. > > Anyway the fix seems to be to use choices to dettach and then reattach > the toolbox from the document. > [snip] Many thanks -- all fixed :-) Best, Chris -- *** Chris & Lee's Photodesk tutorials, tips and resources *** http://www.photodesk.iconbar.com *** Latest: Venus transit at http://www.roast.iconbar.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 11 19:50:23 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPP3z-0EMGPo-05-15hs."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; 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FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 11 20:20:25 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPPcU-2gaGPo-01-1MCP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:20:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPPcU-2gaGPo-01-1MCP; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:17:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPPcU-2gaGPo-01; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:17:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPPcU-0006DU-Oa; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:17:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPOj3-0003q6-Tl; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:19:45 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPPa1-0007NM-3k for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:14:29 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.183] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPPa0-0007N6-JQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:14:28 +0100 Received: from b-180-24-131.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.24.131] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1EPPZy41rL-0007i0; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:14:26 +0200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Weird memory problem on Iyonix To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:14:52 +0200 Message-ID: <6d574fb84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> pv wrote: > To recap, I've been getting random crashes, with the only visible > indication being a single line (or two) of 'random' pixels horizontally > across the background JPEG image. At first I suspected a faulty memory > chip, but having replaced and tested the original memory, it's not that. What exactly do you mean by "crash"? An error box from OvationPro? With what kind of error? The really important question is: Does the JPEG render correctly when you subsequently wipe some other window over it, i.e., was the corruption just a random write to screen memory (pretty harmless) or a corruption of OvationPro's application memory (quite serious but rather unlikely)? > Both on their own seem perfectly stable, so I'm wondering if it's something > obscure like a dynamic memory allocation going wrong - a bit like Photodesk > not loading if Oregano is already loaded, but I presume Ovation doesn't do > the same check, so loads anyway, and possibly corrupts something a little > while later? No. There is no such thing as "dynamic memory allocation going wrong". I cannot recall there being any issues with dynamic memory allocation under RISC OS. There are some applications that are unhappy with top-bit set memory addresses. Sometimes, this is caused by sloppy programming, sometimes it is caused by the fact that some OS routines are unhappy with such addresses. If an application cannot handle top-bit set memory for either reason, it should refuse to continue running if it is assigned such memory - as PhotoDesk does. Most aspects of OP seem to be fine (and OP works around some issues that are not). You can find out whether your problem is caused by top-bit set dynamic area memory by running a tiny BASIC script that allocates DAs until a top-bit set DA is returned - such code snippets have been posted in various places. Then, run OvationPro. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 11 21:20:27 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPQSr-2GQ000-03-14J0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:20:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPQSr-2GQ000-03-14J0; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:11:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPQSr-2GQ000-03; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:11:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPQSq-0006Nm-Sh; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:11:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPPbe-0004mU-Vv; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:16:11 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPQPs-0008OL-9g for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:08:04 +0100 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPQPr-0008Nv-P4 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:08:03 +0100 Received: from anonymous (dsl82-163-120-21.as15444.net [82.163.120.21]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9BK7sQ3012554 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:07:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pv To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:07:21 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Weird memory problem on Iyonix Message-ID: <4db854256dlists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <6d574fb84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> <6d574fb84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-mx1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.00) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <6d574fb84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > What exactly do you mean by "crash"? An error box from OvationPro? With > what kind of error? Random applications would crash for no apparent reason. OvPro would give an abort on data transfer or address exception and then quit. After that, about 10 seconds later, Pluto will quit with the same error message etc - and then other applications will start going funny. > The really important question is: Does the JPEG render correctly when you > subsequently wipe some other window over it, i.e., was the corruption No. It's not a random write to memory. It's obviously changed something because if you drag a window over the backdrop, it stays corrupted, and the corruption is the same, so whatever is corrupted is now part of the image and gets redrawn correctly when you drag windows over it. > No. There is no such thing as "dynamic memory allocation going wrong". I > cannot recall there being any issues with dynamic memory allocation > under RISC OS. There are some applications that are unhappy with top-bit > set memory addresses. Sorry. I think that's what I meant. > You can find out whether your problem is caused by top-bit set dynamic > area memory by running a tiny BASIC script that allocates DAs until a > top-bit set DA is returned - such code snippets have been posted in > various places. Then, run OvationPro. Thanks. I'll see if I can track one down. OvPro has been loaded all day today (and is still on the iconbar) and it's been perfectly stable all day - but I've not loaded O2 at all. ;-) Paul -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ Men are from earth. Women are from earth. Deal with it. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 11 22:00:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPRB1-4bt000-01-1Kds."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:00:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPRB1-4bt000-01-1Kds; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:56:48 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPRB1-4bt000-01; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:56:48 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPRB1-000566-CH; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:56:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPQHY-0006Qg-Pa; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:59:28 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPR7w-0001DA-NG for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:53:36 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.171] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPR7w-0001Cm-0P for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:53:36 +0100 Received: from b-180-24-120.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.24.120] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1EPR7u3OS5-0006VA; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:53:34 +0200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Weird memory problem on Iyonix To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:53:56 +0200 Message-ID: <516958b84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> <6d574fb84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4db854256dlists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4db854256dlists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4db854256dlists-nospam@vigay.com> pv wrote: > In article <6d574fb84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, > Martin Wuerthner wrote: >> What exactly do you mean by "crash"? An error box from OvationPro? With >> what kind of error? > > Random applications would crash for no apparent reason. OvPro would give an > abort on data transfer or address exception and then quit. After that, > about 10 seconds later, Pluto will quit with the same error message etc - > and then other applications will start going funny. Ah, OK, that is an entirely different story. That means that something in the system has been corrupted, not in an application. > > > It looks like a clash between Oregano and OvationPro, as if I have > > > Oregano on the bar and then load OvationPro and start typing, it will > > > invariably cause the crash within a minute or two - even after a > > > reboot and nothing else loaded. It might be worth while disabling all non-essential utilities that are loaded during !Boot as well (desktop enhancers and non-standard modules) to see whether some odd utility contributes. I cannot reproduce the problem here - Oregano2 is on the icon bar and OP is as stable as ever. >> You can find out whether your problem is caused by top-bit set dynamic >> area memory by running a tiny BASIC script that allocates DAs until a >> top-bit set DA is returned - such code snippets have been posted in >> various places. Then, run OvationPro. > > Thanks. I'll see if I can track one down. Actually, you can find out more easily: Simply load Oregano2, then load OvationPro, then quite Oregano2. If the problem is caused by the address of the OP DA, then it should occur in this case as well because the DA is allocated when OP starts. It is rather unlikely that this is the problem though. A typical top-bit set memory address problem would normally only cause problems *within* an application. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Tue Oct 11 23:20:33 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPSTB-38hknw-06-1RsE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:20:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPSTB-38hknw-06-1RsE; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:19:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPSTB-38hknw-06; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:19:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPSTB-000118-01; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:19:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPRju-0002gL-Lo; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:32:50 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPSQu-0004qa-A1 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:17:16 +0100 Received: from [194.158.229.27] (helo=mail-ps.sunrise.ch) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPSQu-0004qU-0D for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:17:16 +0100 Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.8.9) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.066) id 4343A04A000575EB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:17:15 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:14:56 +0100 From: JMAH van Vredenburch To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Weird memory problem on Iyonix Message-ID: References: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> <8f581db44d.janvred@smile.ch> In-Reply-To: <8f581db44d.janvred@smile.ch> X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.09) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <8f581db44d.janvred@smile.ch> I wrote: > In message <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> you wrote: > > [snip 1st para] > > > > To recap, I've been getting random crashes, with the only visible > > indication being a single line (or two) of 'random' pixels horizontally > > across the background JPEG image. ..................... > > I've seen exactly the same since approx. 2 weeks. Do not recall what > programs where running apart of OvPro (document of over 220 pages). > > > Has anyone any better ideas/suggestions/solutions? > > Not at present. If I see it again I shall check what programs are > running. Generally I do not have Oregano running. Report follows. Problem appeared yesterday again. OvPro was running but Oregano2 had *not* been booted or run. Edit, Alarms, Organizer, ArcFS and Charges were running. Plus backdrop sprite of 790kb. JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 12 00:20:36 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPTBT-0DYVbs-07-1R9w."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:20:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPTBT-0DYVbs-07-1R9w; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:05:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPTBT-0DYVbs-07; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:05:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPTBS-0000xF-UG; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:05:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPSI4-0001Rx-CR; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:08:08 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPT9J-0004PI-TC for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:03:09 +0100 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPT9J-0004PD-I6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:03:09 +0100 Received: from anonymous (dsl82-163-120-21.as15444.net [82.163.120.21]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9BN2mVP013978 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:02:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pv To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:02:39 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Weird memory problem on Iyonix Message-ID: <4db864322blists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> <8f581db44d.janvred@smile.ch> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-mx0-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx0-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.002, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.00) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > Edit, Alarms, Organizer, ArcFS and Charges were running. Plus backdrop > sprite of 790kb. I never run !Edit or !Alarm, but I do have Organizer permanently loaded. I don't use ArcFS and I have a 2MB backdrop sprite, which occupies 10804K in the task manager - hmmm, seems rather large compared to the sprite filesize. -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ To strive, to seek, to find and not to yield. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 12 00:20:37 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPTIZ-1JPVbs-02-1IWK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:20:37 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPTIZ-1JPVbs-02-1IWK; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:12:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPTIZ-1JPVbs-02; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:12:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPTIZ-00025Y-4W; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:12:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPSP6-00035j-KG; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 23:15:24 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPTGV-0005G6-EM for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:10:35 +0100 Received: from [212.187.204.18] (helo=zen.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPTGV-0005Ft-83 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:10:35 +0100 Received: from anonymous (dsl82-163-120-21.as15444.net [82.163.120.21]) by zen.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9BNAO4P016379 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:10:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pv To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:10:20 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Weird memory problem on Iyonix Message-ID: <4db864e609lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4db864322blists-nospam@vigay.com> References: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> <8f581db44d.janvred@smile.ch> <4db864322blists-nospam@vigay.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-mx0-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx0-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.002, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.00) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4db864322blists-nospam@vigay.com>, pv wrote: > I never run !Edit or !Alarm, but I do have Organizer permanently loaded. > I don't use ArcFS and I have a 2MB backdrop sprite, which occupies 10804K > in the task manager - hmmm, seems rather large compared to the sprite > filesize. Answering my own question, I've just realised the 2MB backdrop image is in mode 28 so only 256 colours, whereas the desktop is 16 million colours, so I'm assuming the resulting image expands to some 11MB -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane and going the wrong way. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 12 13:52:45 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPcmd-153GPo-02-10Vk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:52:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPcmd-153GPo-02-10Vk; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:20:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPcmd-153GPo-02; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:20:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPcmd-0000Kp-Em; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:20:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPbvO-0005xO-1k; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:25:22 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPcki-0007b9-PN for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:18:24 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.133] (helo=pih-relay06.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPcki-0007ak-0I for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:18:24 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EPckc-0003Xj-BH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:18:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:18:04 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Weird memory problem on Iyonix Message-ID: <4db89c89d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <516958b84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> <6d574fb84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4db854256dlists-nospam@vigay.com> <516958b84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <516958b84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > I cannot reproduce the problem here - Oregano2 is on the icon bar > and OP is as stable as ever. Me too As I said in an earlier post - O2 + OPro are quite stable on my Iyonix. I also run at Boot Zap, Organizer, NetFetch+Pluto, SparkFS, Printers (+ GimpPrint), Director, Transient, HID, FontDirPro, CDROMFS etc etc. Applications in regular use - DPillScan, Thump, TechWriter, DigitalCD, Castle C/C++ programming tools, Artworks, HTMLEdit (that is a bit flakey when releasing memory, work around is to load a dummy document and keep it iconised so there is always one document loaded). In addition I use Impression and Eureka under Aemulor Pro, which I quit (emulator also) when finished. I tend not to switch off or reboot unless necessary - e.g. when firing up Photodesk occasionally to give it low DA. Chris... -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 12 14:12:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPgGY-3cHVbs-02-1MbN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:12:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPgGY-3cHVbs-02-1MbN; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:03:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPgGY-3cHVbs-02; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:03:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPgGY-0000d0-7w; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:03:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPfN8-00025T-6z; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:06:14 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPgEq-00048g-Kr for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:01:44 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPgEq-00048X-9L for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:01:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EPgEp-000FQW-L7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:01:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:00:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Weird memory problem on Iyonix References: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> <6d574fb84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4db854256dlists-nospam@vigay.com> <516958b84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4db89c89d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4db89c89d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ******* From: "Barry Allen (co)" ******* In article <4db89c89d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson wrote: > As I said in an earlier post - O2 + OPro are quite stable on my Iyonix. > In addition I use Impression and Eureka under Aemulor Pro. Just curious, why Ovation Pro and Impression? -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 12 14:32:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPgaJ-4DmVbs-06-1Dl6."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:32:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPgaJ-4DmVbs-06-1Dl6; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:23:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPgaJ-4DmVbs-06; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:23:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPgaJ-0000xQ-Ax; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:23:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPfj3-00018d-8x; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:28:53 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPgYX-0007DJ-Sg for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:22:05 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPgYX-0007Bv-2h for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:22:05 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EPgYR-000PKW-EI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:21:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:20:38 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] DPScan Windows (new version) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've uploaded a new version of DPScan for Windows (7th. October 2005): http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Extras/DPScan/InstallDPScan. exe along with new documentation: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/Extras/DPScan/DPScan.dpd Note that the PDF version of the manual has not been updated yet. The main new feature is support for icc colour profiles. Colour profiles are concerned with more accurate rendering of images. See the manual for the full story. One obvious change is that the program will now render CMYK images correctly and allow you to convert between RGB and CMYK. The point in doing this is to build up experience for adding colour profile support to Ovation Pro. I take a dim view of the "inks and curves" inherited from RISC OS. I suppose this works on a user level too. DPScan will show you which profiles are installed on your copy of Windows, and if there are none you can get some - the Adobe web site is a good place. The program uses the open source LCMS colour management system. That means it will work on all versions of Windows (i.e. NT). I could have used Windows own ICM, and I may yet do that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 12 14:42:19 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPgj9-0llGPo-02-wZE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:42:19 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPgj9-0llGPo-02-wZE; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:33:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPgj9-0llGPo-02; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:33:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPgj9-00066I-HI; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:33:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPfpf-0007D7-J6; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:35:43 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPghY-0001Bo-5z for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:31:24 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPghX-0001Bi-Ow for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:31:23 +0100 Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EPghC-000IRQ-8K for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:31:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:34:28 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Weird memory problem on Iyonix Message-ID: <4db8b40325charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> <6d574fb84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4db854256dlists-nospam@vigay.com> <516958b84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4db89c89d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > ******* From: "Barry Allen (co)" ******* > In article <4db89c89d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com>, Chris Johnson > wrote: > > As I said in an earlier post - O2 + OPro are quite stable on my Iyonix. > > In addition I use Impression and Eureka under Aemulor Pro. > Just curious, why Ovation Pro and Impression? In my case, it's a matter of resurecting old documents. It's less effort to use Impression than to port the document to OvPro and then check that everything has worked. -- >From KT24 - in "leafy" Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 12 14:52:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPgwB-1JAGPo-04-1USG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:52:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPgwB-1JAGPo-04-1USG; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:46:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPgwB-1JAGPo-04; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:46:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPgwB-0000d6-FX; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:46:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPfyZ-00055X-SE; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:44:55 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPgt1-0003PM-J8 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:43:15 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.133] (helo=pih-relay06.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPgt1-0003OG-4W for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:43:15 +0100 Received: from [84.93.137.44] (helo=barryix) by pih-relay06.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EPgsy-0000uC-PC for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:43:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:43:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Weird memory problem on Iyonix Message-ID: <4db8b4d2cfbarry@e-allen.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> <6d574fb84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4db854256dlists-nospam@vigay.com> <516958b84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4db89c89d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > ******* From: "Barry Allen (co)" ******* Ooops! Sorry about that. I've changed the address in Pluto. Should be OK from now on. -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 12 15:22:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPhO0-0S3000-02-1CxP."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:22:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPhO0-0S3000-02-1CxP; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:15:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPhO0-0S3000-02; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:15:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPhO0-00033s-HB; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:15:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPgUZ-0008BW-DU; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:17:59 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPhMD-0007xJ-P6 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:13:25 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.214] (helo=ptb-relay03.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPhMD-0007xB-AL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:13:25 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EPhM7-0004WX-4Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:13:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:13:04 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Weird memory problem on Iyonix Message-ID: <4db8b78bfcchris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4db3bb754flists-nospam@vigay.com> <6d574fb84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4db854256dlists-nospam@vigay.com> <516958b84d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4db89c89d2chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: ******* From: "Barry Allen (co)" ******* > Just curious, why Ovation Pro and Impression? Ovation Pro is my app of choice. However, for my sins I help Paul Beverley by converting the issues of Archive magazine to HTML format. Paul still uses Impression for Archive magazine. Therefore my starting point is the Impression file for each issue. -- Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 12 18:22:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPkDY-2mLVbs-05-1IeN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:22:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPkDY-2mLVbs-05-1IeN; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:16:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPkDY-2mLVbs-05; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:16:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPkDY-0001dh-L4; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:16:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPjJo-00029W-Ct; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:19:04 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPkAZ-0004MO-Vq for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:13:35 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.158] (helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPkAZ-0004MG-LT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:13:35 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3011.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6B9031C00097 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:13:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk.kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk (modem-969.kawau.dialup.pol.co.uk [81.78.147.201]) by mwinf3011.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1FADF1C00092 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:13:33 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20051012171334129.1FADF1C00092@mwinf3011.me.freeserve.com Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing toolbox To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.09 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:25:09 +0100 Message-ID: <0dca4ab84d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> References: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.27 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> Evan Clark wrote: > In article <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com>, > Chris Terran wrote: > >> I seem to have lost the Toolbox (the vertical pane of tools on the >> left of the main window). Switching it on and off in the View >> dialogue doesn't bring it back, and neither does quitting OP or >> reboots. > > [Snip] > >> Does anyone know how I can get it back? > > Quoting DP from the OPro list in Oct, 2000: > > > There is a bug... the toolbox gets huge offsets and so doesn't appear. > A medal for anyone who call tell me how to reproduce this bug. > > Anyway the fix seems to be to use choices to dettach and then reattach > the toolbox from the document. > > > HTH. > > Evan. > > Both my toolbox and info palette have disappeared the detach re-attach has not worked. thanks -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. "phone"01248-353264. e-mail Home=johnpercy@NOSPAMkerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk (remove NOSPAM) RiscStation Lite+. RiscOS 4.03 boot 1.03. MPro.3.27 DialUp 3.10. SpanStamp 1.02a -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 12 19:02:31 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPkmR-0RZGPo-02-1Z8W."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:02:31 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPkmR-0RZGPo-02-1Z8W; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:52:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPkmR-0RZGPo-02; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:52:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPkmR-0000gP-0E; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:52:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPk3A-00013O-5v; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:05:56 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPkkP-00018n-Sd for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:50:37 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPkkP-00018i-KC for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:50:37 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EPkkP-0000IU-AW for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:50:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:49:14 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Printer Definition Files References: <+tTt3oBy9SQDFwzA@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8ee653b74d.8Chestnut@8chestnut.freeuk.com> <4db7acfad9gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20051010162907.01dbe268@mail.btinternet.com> <4db7be5186gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4db7be5186gav@crawford-print.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) *********** From: Michael Hunter ************** On 10 Oct Gavin Crawford wrote: > > http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/support.html >=20 > I forgot to say that my posting about paper feeds was dated 9th Septemb= er > 2002. >=20 Thanks Gavin for the information about the article you posted. I'm running !Printers 1.64 so the notes should apply. I searched the post= script output for my printer to find the relevant lines of code for my pr= inter (similar to the HP code) and put them in files (type PoScript) in t= he folder. I modified the standard Postscript driver with the additional = feed_choices line and ... nothing. I tried altering the pathname and an error was produced - so I'm happy th= at the program is looking in the right folder but it does not seem to be = reading from those files. Two possibilities it seems to me 1) The first line of each file correct %%RISCOS_Feedname: Upper Tray (for= example). or 2) is the feed_choices in the driver file correct? I had a quick look at the program although it is Basic it has been crunch= ed (or whatever it is called) to make all variables one character so it i= s very difficult to follow (=3D impossible for somebody who is rusty at p= rogramming). Any ideas - has anybody else got Gavin's trick to work. (BTW I previously took the same approach as David - press the front panel= controls on the printer!) Thanks Michael -- Michael Hunter -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 13 03:02:55 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPsJP-2pPVbs-03-kyy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:02:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPsJP-2pPVbs-03-kyy; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:55:15 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPsJP-2pPVbs-03; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:55:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPsJP-0007gv-8E; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:55:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPsJJ-0006fK-On; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:55:09 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPsGp-0002vk-K9 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:52:35 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPsGp-0002ve-CP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:52:35 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EPsGo-0007on-BH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:52:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:51:20 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Epson Simtec USB driver MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, If you've got my Epson scanner driver and are using it on the Simtec USB card then read on. I did some work on this driver yesterday and discovered that I had left debugging enabled in the last version of it. The effect of this is to create a file called "Log" in the same place as !TWAIN is. A lot more disc activity than there should be. The definitive test is the appearance of the Log file, steadily getting bigger and bigger. The time stamp on the !TWAIN.Sources.!EpsonGT.!RunImage is 2005. Drop me an email and I'll send you the fixed version. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 13 03:02:57 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPsQ0-2FFVbs-07-1IyR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:02:57 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPsQ0-2FFVbs-07-1IyR; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:02:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPsQ0-2FFVbs-07; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:02:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPsQ0-0004Tj-05; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:02:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPsPs-00087a-PX; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:01:56 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPsOA-0003mQ-2C for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:00:11 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPsO0-0003kD-Kw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:00:02 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EPsO0-00064L-7k for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:00:00 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:58:23 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing toolbox References: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <0dca4ab84d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0dca4ab84d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Both my toolbox and info palette have disappeared the detach re-attach >has not worked. I suppose: (1) ensure the toolbox / info pal. should be visible. View menu, Options, are they ticked. (2) Do the attach re-attach "properly", by that I mean clicking OK on choices between each change of setting, moving the window between settings and doing the change several times (e.g. twice). (3) Find the file !OvnPro.Autorun.!Choices. Find the line with viewchoices2() in. First copy this line into an email to me. Second change the numbers between the ()'s to 1,0,0,1,0,0 This is how the line looks on my copy of OPW viewchoices2(1,114,882,1,129,366); The two 1's mean attach the toolbox/info pal. the other numbers are their coordinates. If those numbers are huge then of course you don't see them because they are off screen. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 13 13:06:36 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPy49-1hxknw-07-1UNK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:06:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPy49-1hxknw-07-1UNK; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:03:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPy49-1hxknw-07; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:03:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPy49-0007K2-DY; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:03:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPxCg-0006L1-SD; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:08:38 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPy1P-0004vw-3h for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:01:03 +0100 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPy1O-0004vr-O6 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:01:02 +0100 Received: from adsl-164-21.freeuk.com ([80.168.164.21] helo=RiscPC) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EPy1O-0008m3-7i for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:01:02 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:03:03 +0100 From: Michael Hunter To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Printer Definition Files Message-ID: <948119b94d.8Chestnut@8chestnut.freeuk.com> References: <+tTt3oBy9SQDFwzA@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8ee653b74d.8Chestnut@8chestnut.freeuk.com> <4db7acfad9gav@crawford-print.co.uk> <6.0.3.0.2.20051010162907.01dbe268@mail.btinternet.com> <4db7be5186gav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 12 Oct David Pilling wrote: > *********** From: Michael Hunter ************** > Following up my own post (Apologies David - I'll post from the correct address this time.) > Thanks Gavin for the information about the article you posted. > I'm running !Printers 1.64 so the notes should apply. I searched the > postscript output for my printer to find the relevant lines of code > for my printer (similar to the HP code) and put them in files (type > PoScript) in the folder. I modified the standard Postscript driver > with the additional feed_choices line and ... nothing. I've done some more 'tiddling' - I found a HP2100TN driver and managed to get entries in the feed menu for that printer. I'll look more carefully at the differences to see why it was not working for the Brother printer. Thanks again.- all I Michael -- Michael Hunter -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 13 13:06:38 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPyRJ-3pJknw-03-nNa."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:06:38 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPyRJ-3pJknw-03-nNa; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:27:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPyRJ-3pJknw-03; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:27:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPyRJ-0006nQ-1l; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:27:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPyRF-0004E1-Hr; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:27:45 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPyOs-0007vE-MM for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:25:18 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPyOr-0007v6-V9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:25:18 +0100 Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([83.104.47.124]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EPyJ8-000FwK-Gq for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:19:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:24:36 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Epson Simtec USB driver Message-ID: <4db91b7aabjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > If you've got my Epson scanner driver and are using it on the Simtec USB > card then read on. > I did some work on this driver yesterday and discovered that I had left > debugging enabled in the last version of it. > The effect of this is to create a file called "Log" in the same place as > !TWAIN is. A lot more disc activity than there should be. > The definitive test is the appearance of the Log file, steadily getting > bigger and bigger. The time stamp on the > !TWAIN.Sources.!EpsonGT.!RunImage is 2005. Mine is 2002. No problem with a Log file - but is the later version better in any way? > Drop me an email and I'll send you the fixed version. -- John Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 13 13:06:39 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EPz03-0kMVbs-07-vLM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:06:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EPz03-0kMVbs-07-vLM; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:03:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EPz03-0kMVbs-07; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:03:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EPz03-0002Fj-Om; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:03:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPy6Z-0001fN-Gp; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:06:23 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EPyxO-0005Ns-4o for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:00:58 +0100 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EPyxM-0005NP-B7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:00:56 +0100 Received: from anonymous (dsl82-163-120-21.as15444.net [82.163.120.21]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9D90jOi016927 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:00:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pv To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:59:22 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing toolbox Message-ID: <4db91ea992lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: References: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <0dca4ab84d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-mx1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.00) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > (2) Do the attach re-attach "properly", by that I mean clicking OK on > choices between each change of setting, moving the window between > settings and doing the change several times (e.g. twice). I've got a weird problem on my Iyonix, in that the OvPro toolbars become disattached from the main window if you drag the main window down the screen so that the bottom goes off the bottom of the screen out of view, if you drag it like that, both toolbars suddenly jump half way up the screen and then become 'locked' to their new position relative to the main window (ie. so if you then move the window off the screen, the toolbars move up from their new positions). Is there a way to prevent this, or is it a bug? -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ Windows is for fun, RISC OS is for getting things done -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 13 13:06:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EQ0Bm-2slGPo-03-1JjB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:06:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EQ0Bm-2slGPo-03-1JjB; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:19:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EQ0Bm-2slGPo-03; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:19:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EQ0Bm-0000SB-EE; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:19:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPzSR-0000Zi-Ty; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:33:03 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EQ09Z-0000Hs-Lg for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:17:37 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.186] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EQ09Z-0000Hj-5V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:17:37 +0100 Received: from b-180-24-121.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.24.121] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1EQ09X3eJ9-0003nM; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:17:35 +0200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing toolbox To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:17:56 +0200 Message-ID: <1adb25b94d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <0dca4ab84d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> <4db91ea992lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4db91ea992lists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4db91ea992lists-nospam@vigay.com> pv wrote: > In article , > David Pilling wrote: >> (2) Do the attach re-attach "properly", by that I mean clicking OK on >> choices between each change of setting, moving the window between >> settings and doing the change several times (e.g. twice). > > I've got a weird problem on my Iyonix, in that the OvPro toolbars become > disattached from the main window if you drag the main window down the > screen so that the bottom goes off the bottom of the screen out of view, if > you drag it like that, both toolbars suddenly jump half way up the screen > and then become 'locked' to their new position relative to the main window > (ie. so if you then move the window off the screen, the toolbars move up > from their new positions). > > Is there a way to prevent this, or is it a bug? Does not happen here with OP 2.75 on my Iyonix. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 13 13:06:45 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EQ0Lm-0dU000-02-tzd."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:06:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EQ0Lm-0dU000-02-tzd; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:30:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EQ0Lm-0dU000-02; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:30:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EQ0Lm-0004Ir-CN; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:30:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EPzO7-0005pL-B9; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:28:35 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EQ0Jj-0002RT-Hf for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:28:07 +0100 Received: from [212.187.204.26] (helo=slave.orpheusnet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EQ0Jj-0002RK-66 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:28:07 +0100 Received: from anonymous (dsl82-163-120-21.as15444.net [82.163.120.21]) by slave.orpheusnet.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9DARt9p028271 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:27:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pv To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:27:53 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing toolbox Message-ID: <4db926c444lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <1adb25b94d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <0dca4ab84d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> <4db91ea992lists-nospam@vigay.com> <1adb25b94d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 X-No-Archive: Yes Content-Type: text/plain X-mx1-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-mx1-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 5, autolearn=disabled, AWL 0.00) X-MailScanner-From: Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <1adb25b94d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > Does not happen here with OP 2.75 on my Iyonix. Aha. My fault. I didn't experiment enough to check interaction with other applications. It's caused by Druck's !WorkSpace utility being loaded. If I quit WorkSpace, then OvPro works correctly. With WorkSpace loaded, the toolbars get bumped up the screen when you move the main OvPro window off screen. I'll perhaps drop druck an email, asking if there's a way around this - unless he's on this list? -- Paul Vigay __\\|//__ Life, (` o-o ') the Universe http://www.vigay.com -----ooO-(_)-Ooo------ & Everything ------ If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving isn't for you. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 13 13:26:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EQ21Q-379knw-02-1HtX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:26:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EQ21Q-379knw-02-1HtX; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:17:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EQ21Q-379knw-02; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:17:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EQ21Q-0006IM-P9; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:17:20 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EQ21G-00086x-V7; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:17:10 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EQ1yl-0001gi-AJ for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:14:35 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EQ1yk-0001gb-Sr for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:14:34 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EQ1yk-0009eu-7p for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:14:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:13:28 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Epson Simtec USB driver References: <4db91b7aabjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4db91b7aabjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> I did some work on this driver yesterday and discovered that I had left >> debugging enabled in the last version of it. >> The effect of this is to create a file called "Log" in the same place as >> !TWAIN is. A lot more disc activity than there should be. >> The definitive test is the appearance of the Log file, steadily getting >> bigger and bigger. The time stamp on the >> !TWAIN.Sources.!EpsonGT.!RunImage is 2005. >Mine is 2002. No problem with a Log file - but is the later version better in >any way? The only change is that the later version supports a wider range of scanners. All that means is that it has more id codes inside it. Just numbers that identify scanners. On the Castle version of the driver, these numbers live in a text file. That "wider range of scanners" is just the same old range of scanners listed on my web site i.e. not new ones with different command sets. The work I was doing, was adding the id code for the USB GT7000, presumably a rare and antique scanner. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 13 16:56:41 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EQ5Qn-2zWknw-04-1N0g."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:56:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EQ5Qn-2zWknw-04-1N0g; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:55:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EQ5Qn-2zWknw-04; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:55:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EQ5Qn-00077s-4L; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:55:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EQ5QZ-0006Cj-J1; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:55:31 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EQ5Oy-0003tq-38 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:53:52 +0100 Received: from [212.126.144.54] (helo=relay.freeuk.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EQ5Ox-0003th-Lo for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:53:51 +0100 Received: from adsl-166-112.freeuk.com ([80.168.166.112] helo=riscpc.denyswells.freeuk.com) by relay.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EQ5Ox-000Bft-7Q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:53:51 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:44:51 +0100 From: Denys Wells To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Epson Simtec USB driver Message-ID: <11c943b94d.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> References: <4db91b7aabjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.62 (MsgServe/2.05) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > >> I did some work on this driver yesterday and discovered that I had left > >> debugging enabled in the last version of it. > >> The effect of this is to create a file called "Log" in the same place as > >> !TWAIN is. A lot more disc activity than there should be. > >> The definitive test is the appearance of the Log file, steadily getting > >> bigger and bigger. The time stamp on the > >> !TWAIN.Sources.!EpsonGT.!RunImage is 2005. > >Mine is 2002. No problem with a Log file - but is the later version better in > >any way? > > The only change is that the later version supports a wider range of > scanners. All that means is that it has more id codes inside it. Just > numbers that identify scanners. On the Castle version of the driver, > these numbers live in a text file. > > That "wider range of scanners" is just the same old range of scanners > listed on my web site i.e. not new ones with different command sets. > > The work I was doing, was adding the id code for the USB GT7000, > presumably a rare and antique scanner. > I've used a GT7000 Photo (on SCSI) with DPScan for over 6 years: does that qualify as antique?! Amyway glad to know a USB !Twain driver is available if I ever move it to the Unipod USB port (unlikely unless I move from current Kinetic RPC to an A9). -- Denys Wells -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk Thu Oct 13 17:46:42 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EQ6D6-16jVbs-07-G2F."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:46:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EQ6D6-16jVbs-07-G2F; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:45:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EQ6D6-16jVbs-07 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:45:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EQ6D6-0007Vo-Ah for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:45:40 +0000 Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([194.222.220.137] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EQ6D5-0003jX-FO for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:45:40 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Epson Simtec USB driver To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:45:26 +0100 Message-ID: <335549b94d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > Hi, > > If you've got my Epson scanner driver and are using it on the Simtec USB > card then read on. > > I did some work on this driver yesterday and discovered that I had left > debugging enabled in the last version of it. > > The effect of this is to create a file called "Log" in the same place as > !TWAIN is. A lot more disc activity than there should be. > > The definitive test is the appearance of the Log file, steadily getting > bigger and bigger. The time stamp on the > !TWAIN.Sources.!EpsonGT.!RunImage is 2005. > > Drop me an email and I'll send you the fixed version. Hi David: Am I fussing needlessly?? You sent me !Epson GT a couple of weeks ago (for G R Naylor), but for a straight RPC SCSI, not for using on the Simtec USB card. However, it does seem to have generated a log file as described above - which is currently 12k in size. Its runimage is 26 Mar 2005. (Can't check if it is getting larger, as the scanner isn't - can't be - connected just at the moment, for space reasons.) Jeremy R. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Simple; elegant; productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 13 19:46:49 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EQ86B-0Cu000-01-13IG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:46:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EQ86B-0Cu000-01-13IG; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:46:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EQ86B-0Cu000-01; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:46:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EQ86B-0004lk-3h; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:46:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EQ868-0006eq-J6; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:46:36 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EQ84U-0000j9-8o for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:44:54 +0100 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EQ84T-0000h9-P2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:44:53 +0100 Received: from wallace (i-195-137-110-177.freedom2surf.net [195.137.110.177]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9DIimch013696 for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:44:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:44:44 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Epson Simtec USB driver Message-ID: <4db954410abric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <11c943b94d.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> References: <4db91b7aabjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <11c943b94d.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <11c943b94d.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com>, Denys Wells wrote: > In message you wrote: [Snip] > > That "wider range of scanners" is just the same old range of > > scanners listed on my web site i.e. not new ones with > > different command sets. > > > > The work I was doing, was adding the id code for the USB > > GT7000, presumably a rare and antique scanner. David, do you mean rare because it is USB not SCSI? The GT7000 may be antique but it has the qualities of a battleship rather than the nasty plasticy things that superseded it. Are you working on TWAINs for Castle or Simtec/STD USB or both? > I've used a GT7000 Photo (on SCSI) with DPScan for over 6 > years: does that qualify as antique?! Amyway glad to know a > USB !Twain driver is available if I ever move it to the Unipod > USB port (unlikely unless I move from current Kinetic RPC to > an A9). Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric at f2s dot com ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 13 20:06:49 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EQ8LN-0Mc000-05-1334."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:06:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EQ8LN-0Mc000-05-1334; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:02:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EQ8LN-0Mc000-05; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:02:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EQ8LN-00056H-1L; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:02:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EQ8LR-0001Rw-Ex; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:02:25 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EQ8JR-0002Hv-HI for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:00:21 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EQ8JK-0002GG-VX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:00:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EQ8Da-000BpL-JI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:54:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:58:36 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Epson Simtec USB driver References: <4db91b7aabjohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> <11c943b94d.dmw@denyswells.freeuk.com> <4db954410abric@f2s.com> In-Reply-To: <4db954410abric@f2s.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >David, do you mean rare because it is USB not SCSI? The GT7000 Yes, because it is USB. Back then the GT7000 was very popular. However it is not a model one expects to encounter today. When someone came along and said "I have bought a USB GT7000" my first reaction was that Epson had reused the model number. He'd got it second hand. >working on TWAINs for Castle or Simtec/STD USB or both? Both. The current Epson TWAIN disc contains drivers for Simtec and Castle, and both support the same scanners (see the web page). However as I've said, that is the end of the line, I don't intend producing drivers for the new Epsons (which don't use the traditional Epson command set). -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 13 22:26:55 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EQAT2-0oIknw-07-1QUx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:26:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EQAT2-0oIknw-07-1QUx; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:18:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EQAT2-0oIknw-07; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:18:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EQAT1-0005ww-SP; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:18:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EQASz-0008Nl-3p; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:18:21 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EQAQx-0000IN-9n for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:16:15 +0100 Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EQAQx-0000II-03 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:16:15 +0100 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051013211610.LAAP9239.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:16:10 +0100 Received: from dhcppc3 ([81.96.84.127]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051013211610.EKDA8786.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@dhcppc3> for ; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:16:10 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:15:44 +0100 From: Chris Terran To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing toolbox Message-ID: <171462b94d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> References: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <0dca4ab84d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> <4db91ea992lists-nospam@vigay.com> <1adb25b94d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4db926c444lists-nospam@vigay.com> In-Reply-To: <4db926c444lists-nospam@vigay.com> X-Organization: Cake User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.04-pre2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4db926c444lists-nospam@vigay.com> pv wrote: > In article <1adb25b94d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, > Martin Wuerthner wrote: > > > Does not happen here with OP 2.75 on my Iyonix. > > Aha. My fault. I didn't experiment enough to check interaction with other > applications. It's caused by Druck's !WorkSpace utility being loaded. Aha again ;-) I mentioned that I was running Workspace in the post which started this thread; I had a suspicion it might be relevant. Thanks for confirmation. > If I quit WorkSpace, then OvPro works correctly. With WorkSpace loaded, the > toolbars get bumped up the screen when you move the main OvPro window off > screen. That was exactly what happened to me, except that I couldn't get the left-hand toolbar back at all. Perhaps it depends on which virtual desktop one is using. > I'll perhaps drop druck an email, asking if there's a way around this - > unless he's on this list? It does look like a problem with that app. Best, Chris -- *** Chris & Lee's Photodesk tutorials, tips and resources *** http://www.photodesk.iconbar.com *** Latest: Venus transit at http://www.roast.iconbar.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 14 13:53:39 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EQLyT-1tKGPo-01-1W2Y."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:53:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EQLyT-1tKGPo-01-1W2Y; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:35:38 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EQLyT-1tKGPo-01; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:35:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EQLyS-0005V8-Tx; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:35:37 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EQLFH-0000Bt-A5; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:48:55 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EQLvF-0003Aa-Aj for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:32:17 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EQLvE-0003AG-VX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:32:17 +0100 Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EQLpR-000Kru-H7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:26:17 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] DPlingScan Annoyance To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:31:51 +0100 Message-ID: <0c79a5b94d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This problem is more of any annoyance then anything else. At some point when I came to print something from DPlingScan I had to increase the X Scale to 200% and the Y Scale similarly to 200% from the default of 100% for both. Now every time I use the software it stays at 200% and I have to amend the X and Y Scale to 100% manually. Using the SET button seems to have no effect whatsoever. Version 1.19 if thats of any help running on RISC OS 4.39 ADJUST, its the same problem on 4.02 as well. Help! -- Chris Hughes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 14 13:53:41 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EQMAi-2JJGPo-05-xkF."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:53:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EQMAi-2JJGPo-05-xkF; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:48:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EQMAi-2JJGPo-05; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:48:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EQMAi-0004TE-Dp; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:48:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EQMAa-0000sM-Sx; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:48:08 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EQM8e-0005uN-Tz for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:46:08 +0100 Received: from [195.188.213.9] (helo=smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EQM8e-0005uA-KG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:46:08 +0100 Received: from localhost.com.nom ([213.48.229.233]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:46:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:43:51 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: DPlingScan Annoyance Message-ID: <4db9a69246Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <0c79a5b94d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <0c79a5b94d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2005 09:46:59.0108 (UTC) FILETIME=[38806640:01C5D0A4] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <0c79a5b94d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hughes wrote: > This problem is more of any annoyance then anything else. > At some point when I came to print something from DPlingScan I had to > increase the X Scale to 200% and the Y Scale similarly to 200% from > the default of 100% for both. > Now every time I use the software it stays at 200% and I have to amend > the X and Y Scale to 100% manually. Change it to 100%, select Choices from iconbar menu and click the Save button should fix it. Ian -- Ian Hamilton (RISC PC RO4) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ (Iyonix RO5) Programs compatible with RISC OS 3/4/5 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 14 13:53:51 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EQOVJ-4UPknw-08-mt8."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:53:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EQOVJ-4UPknw-08-mt8; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:17:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EQOVJ-4UPknw-08; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:17:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EQOVJ-00001r-5T; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:17:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EQOVE-000896-Uk; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:17:36 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EQOTM-0003tZ-94 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:15:40 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EQOTL-0003tN-TI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:15:39 +0100 Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EQONa-000DdT-Ig for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:09:43 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: DPlingScan Annoyance To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:15:29 +0100 Message-ID: <4174b4b94d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <0c79a5b94d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> <4db9a69246Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <4db9a69246Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4db9a69246Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> Ian Hamilton wrote: > In article <0c79a5b94d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk>, Chris Hughes > wrote: >> This problem is more of any annoyance then anything else. > >> At some point when I came to print something from DPlingScan I had to >> increase the X Scale to 200% and the Y Scale similarly to 200% from >> the default of 100% for both. > >> Now every time I use the software it stays at 200% and I have to amend >> the X and Y Scale to 100% manually. > > Change it to 100%, select Choices from iconbar menu and click the Save > button should fix it. Well I never. So it has! :-) I thought I already tried but obviously not. I assume that although I had SET it to 100% it only saved it when you saved it via choices. -- Chris Hughes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 14 18:23:42 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EQTEm-2rSVbs-08-1GFj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:23:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EQTEm-2rSVbs-08-1GFj; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:20:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EQTEm-2rSVbs-08; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:20:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EQTEl-0002ge-S7; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:20:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EQTEh-0000hV-Gy; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:20:51 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EQTBv-0008AS-QJ for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:17:59 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.158] (helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EQTBv-0008AM-FG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:17:59 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3012.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 409001C000A3 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:17:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk.kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk (modem-280.buffalo.dialup.pol.co.uk [217.134.65.24]) by mwinf3012.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0CD2C1C00083 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:17:57 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20051014171758526.0CD2C1C00083@mwinf3012.me.freeserve.com Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing toolbox To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.09 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:03:50 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <0dca4ab84d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.27 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>Both my toolbox and info palette have disappeared the detach re-attach >>has not worked. NB this is op2.75 for ROS 4.03 > I suppose: > > (1) ensure the toolbox / info pal. should be visible. View menu, > Options, are they ticked. yes ticked > (2) Do the attach re-attach "properly", by that I mean clicking OK on > choices between each change of setting, moving the window between > settings and doing the change several times (e.g. twice). Tried that. I even trided saving the choices unticked and then re ticking and saving > (3) Find the file !OvnPro.Autorun.!Choices. Find the line with > viewchoices2() in. First copy this line into an email to me. Second > change the numbers between the ()'s to 1,0,0,1,0,0 > This is how the line looked on my copy of OP 2.75 viewchoices2(3,198,1876,3,202,94); i changed it to viewchoices2(1,0,0,1,0,0); then i quit & reran OP no effect. I rechecked the line is 1,0,0.1,0,0 but no toolbox or info P. > The two 1's mean attach the toolbox/info pal. the other numbers are > their coordinates. If those numbers are huge then of course you don't > see them because they are off screen. > -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. "phone"01248-353264. e-mail Home=johnpercy@NOSPAMkerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk (remove NOSPAM) RiscStation Lite+. RiscOS 4.03 boot 1.03. MPro.3.27 DialUp 3.10. SpanStamp 1.02a -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 14 18:43:44 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EQTT2-4UJVbs-03-qRv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:43:44 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EQTT2-4UJVbs-03-qRv; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:35:41 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EQTT2-4UJVbs-03; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:35:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EQTT2-00069Q-PO; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:35:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EQSZQ-0008V0-9t; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:38:12 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EQTQO-0002Bf-Ug for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:32:56 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EQTQO-0002Ba-Mq for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:32:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EQTQO-000H5C-AH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:32:56 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:31:47 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing toolbox References: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <0dca4ab84d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >This is how the line looked on my copy of OP 2.75 >viewchoices2(3,198,1876,3,202,94); Those values are not unreasonable i.e. you'd expect to see the info pal/tool box with those values. >then i quit & reran OP no effect. I rechecked the line is 1,0,0.1,0,0 >but no toolbox or info P. So there must be some other cause. It is not the common vanishing toolbox problem. My inclination would be to run OP direct from the CD and see what happens - sort of distinguish between the oddity being in the program or in the computer. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 15 20:02:39 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EQrIE-3Smknw-08-sCH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:02:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EQrIE-3Smknw-08-sCH; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:02:06 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EQrIE-3Smknw-08; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:02:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EQrIE-0006xZ-3Z; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:02:06 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EQqOg-0006hD-Th; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:04:42 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EQrFc-0001iE-Lr for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:59:24 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.158] (helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EQrFc-0001i1-BP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:59:24 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3003.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 206D21C002E3 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:59:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk.kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk (modem-1544.panther.dialup.pol.co.uk [217.135.246.8]) by mwinf3003.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E43A61C002E5 for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:59:14 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20051015185918934.E43A61C002E5@mwinf3003.me.freeserve.com Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing toolbox To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.09 Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:37:31 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <0dca4ab84d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.27 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>This is how the line looked on my copy of OP 2.75 >>viewchoices2(3,198,1876,3,202,94); > > Those values are not unreasonable i.e. you'd expect to see the info > pal/tool box with those values. > >>then i quit & reran OP no effect. I rechecked the line is 1,0,0.1,0,0 >>but no toolbox or info P. > > So there must be some other cause. It is not the common vanishing > toolbox problem. > > My inclination would be to run OP direct from the CD and see what > happens - sort of distinguish between the oddity being in the program or > in the computer. > I will try that this weekend. NB all the old (saved before the problem) documents have the 2 items in place. Only new documents have them missing. -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. "phone"01248-353264. e-mail Home=johnpercy@NOSPAMkerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk (remove NOSPAM) RiscStation Lite+. RiscOS 4.03 boot 1.03. MPro.3.27 DialUp 3.10. SpanStamp 1.02a -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 15 20:22:40 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EQrbR-0DaVbs-01-1HSc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:22:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EQrbR-0DaVbs-01-1HSc; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:21:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EQrbR-0DaVbs-01; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:21:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EQrbR-0003tX-Dr; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:21:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EQrbi-00016O-LZ; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:22:14 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EQrZ2-0003IK-20 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:19:28 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EQrZ1-0003IC-K5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:19:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EQrZ0-0005n9-MT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:19:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:17:54 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing toolbox References: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <0dca4ab84d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I will try that this weekend. NB all the old (saved before the >problem) documents have the 2 items in place. Only new documents have >them missing. So try this. Go to choices, untick the two attach icons. Now load an old (before problem) and a new (after problem) document - do the toolbox and info pal. icons appear for the old doc. and vanish for the new doc.? -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 19 17:05:15 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ERDl4-4FHknw-08-mmT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:05:15 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ERDl4-4FHknw-08-mmT; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:01:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ERDl4-4FHknw-08; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:01:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ERDl4-00010Q-HU; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:01:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ERDkj-0006dA-Uk; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:01:01 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ERDiX-00049p-3H for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:58:45 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.158] (helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ERDiW-00049M-LT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:58:44 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A72551C000EC for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:58:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk.kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk (modem-336.orangutan.dialup.pol.co.uk [217.135.225.80]) by mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7AF8F1C000E6 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:58:42 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20051016185842503.7AF8F1C000E6@mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing toolbox To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.09 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:14:28 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <0dca4ab84d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.27 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>I will try that this weekend. NB all the old (saved before the >>problem) documents have the 2 items in place. Only new documents have >>them missing. > > So try this. Go to choices, untick the two attach icons. Now load an old > (before problem) and a new (after problem) document - do the toolbox and > info pal. icons appear for the old doc. and vanish for the new doc.? > Using my current OVpro Old docs have the boxes, but now the boxes are at the farbottom left of the screen regardless of doc position. new docs = nither box. Running from disc i get "file produced by newer version of ovation can'not be loaded" for both pre & post problem docs Is this any help? thanks -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. "phone"01248-353264. e-mail Home=johnpercy@NOSPAMkerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk (remove NOSPAM) RiscStation Lite+. RiscOS 4.03 boot 1.03. MPro.3.27 DialUp 3.10. SpanStamp 1.02a -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 19 17:05:22 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ERSRo-3amknw-01-1NEp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:05:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ERSRo-3amknw-01-1NEp; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:42:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ERSRo-3amknw-01; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:42:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ERSRo-0000dP-9f; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:42:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ERSSB-0007QL-BG; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:42:51 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ERSPH-000146-Nz for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:39:51 +0100 Received: from [194.158.229.27] (helo=mail-ps.sunrise.ch) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ERSPH-000140-Ex for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:39:51 +0100 Received: from localhost.com.smile.ch (194.230.9.29) by mail-ps.sunrise.ch (7.2.066) id 4352958100008198 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:39:49 +0200 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:38:01 +0100 From: JMAH van Vredenburch To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing toolbox Message-ID: <23883cbb4d.janvred@smile.ch> References: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <0dca4ab84d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Secr. St. Van Vredenburch; CIC-member User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.71 (MsgServe/2.13) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > >This is how the line looked on my copy of OP 2.75 > >viewchoices2(3,198,1876,3,202,94); > > Those values are not unreasonable i.e. you'd expect to see the info > pal/tool box with those values. > > >then i quit & reran OP no effect. I rechecked the line is 1,0,0.1,0,0 > >but no toolbox or info P. > > So there must be some other cause. It is not the common vanishing > toolbox problem. What happens after a *hard* reset, i.e. turn computer off wait 10 seconds press and hold down R-key or Delete-key switch computer on after the beep you can release the pressed key. Does this make a difference? You will have to reset the !Boot presets. JohnvV -- Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 19 17:05:24 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ERSah-3nRknw-05-xWO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:05:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ERSah-3nRknw-05-xWO; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:51:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ERSah-3nRknw-05; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:51:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ERSah-0003uv-Lw; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:51:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ERSbA-0003cp-Lh; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:52:08 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ERSZ1-00030I-HY for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:49:55 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.188] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ERSZ0-000307-T3 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:49:55 +0100 Received: from b-180-24-142.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.24.142] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1ERSYz2qjC-0007j6; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:49:53 +0200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing toolbox To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:50:19 +0200 Message-ID: <132a38bb4d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <0dca4ab84d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> <23883cbb4d.janvred@smile.ch> In-Reply-To: <23883cbb4d.janvred@smile.ch> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <23883cbb4d.janvred@smile.ch> JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > In message you wrote: > >> >then i quit & reran OP no effect. I rechecked the line is 1,0,0.1,0,0 >> >but no toolbox or info P. >> >> So there must be some other cause. It is not the common vanishing >> toolbox problem. > > What happens after a *hard* reset, i.e. > turn computer off > wait 10 seconds > press and hold down R-key or Delete-key > switch computer on > after the beep you can release the pressed key. I would NOT recommend such a drastic measure just to find a minor software problem. The above will cause much more trouble than potential insight. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 19 17:05:32 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ERegg-3YwVbs-04-1JWT."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:05:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ERegg-3YwVbs-04-1JWT; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:46:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ERegg-3YwVbs-04; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:46:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ERegg-00014k-Ii; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:46:38 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ERehH-00028b-G5; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:47:15 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ERef9-00070d-An for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:45:03 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ERef9-00070R-1n for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:45:03 +0100 Received: from 212-229-251-81.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.251.81] helo=mypc) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EReYx-0003aC-3U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:38:39 +0000 Message-ID: <004401c5d374$c5c33960$51fbe5d4@mypc> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <0dca4ab84d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing toolbox Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:15:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Using my current OVpro > Old docs have the boxes, but now the boxes are at the farbottom left > of the screen regardless of doc position. new docs = nither box. > OK, please send me one of the problem documents by private email. The toolbox/info pal. being at the bottom left are a result of zero'ing the values in the choices file and unticking the attach icons. The mystery is why that is not the case for new documents. David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 19 17:05:53 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ERvFH-1g7Vbs-02-1BUO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:05:53 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ERvFH-1g7Vbs-02-1BUO; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:27:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ERvFH-1g7Vbs-02; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:27:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ERvFH-00065i-QG; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:27:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ERvFI-0001wW-U9; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:27:28 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ERvCI-0002tm-C5 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:24:22 +0100 Received: from [193.252.22.158] (helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ERvCH-0002te-UB for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:24:21 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9FA301C000F8 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:24:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk.kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk (modem-307.orangutan.dialup.pol.co.uk [217.135.225.51]) by mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 672441C00150 for ; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:24:20 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20051018172420422.672441C00150@mwinf3001.me.freeserve.com Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Disappearing toolbox To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: John X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.09 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:58:49 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8c193bb84d.Chris@chris.terranova.ntlworld.com> <4db83eb786evan@ejclark.force9.co.uk> <0dca4ab84d.johnpercy@kerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk> <23883cbb4d.janvred@smile.ch> In-Reply-To: <23883cbb4d.janvred@smile.ch> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.27 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.03) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <23883cbb4d.janvred@smile.ch> JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > In message you wrote: > >> >This is how the line looked on my copy of OP 2.75 >> >viewchoices2(3,198,1876,3,202,94); >> >> Those values are not unreasonable i.e. you'd expect to see the info >> pal/tool box with those values. >> >> >then i quit & reran OP no effect. I rechecked the line is 1,0,0.1,0,0 >> >but no toolbox or info P. >> >> So there must be some other cause. It is not the common vanishing >> toolbox problem. > > > What happens after a *hard* reset, i.e. > turn computer off > wait 10 seconds > press and hold down R-key or Delete-key > switch computer on > after the beep you can release the pressed key. > > Does this make a difference? > > You will have to reset the !Boot presets. > > JohnvV > > -- > Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch > No boxes still present in old files and still not in new files. > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message > > Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net > -- J.P. Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S. Dyslexia Rules KO. "phone"01248-353264. e-mail Home=johnpercy@NOSPAMkerslakej2.freeserve.co.uk (remove NOSPAM) RiscStation Lite+. RiscOS 4.03 boot 1.03. MPro.3.27 DialUp 3.10. SpanStamp 1.02a -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 19 17:06:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ESCta-1WD000-03-1At7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:06:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ESCta-1WD000-03-1At7; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:18:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ESCta-1WD000-03; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:18:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ESCtZ-00007t-Th; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:18:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ESCuH-0006HB-Tt; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:18:57 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ESCrl-0006Yk-Iy for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:16:21 +0100 Received: from [193.111.201.127] (helo=lon-mail-3.gradwell.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ESCrl-0006Yb-7L for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:16:21 +0100 Received: from magpieway.net ([213.162.112.164] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net ident=tony^pop3&vanderhoff#org) by lon-mail-3.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.192) id 43563914.f38c.30c for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:16:20 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:11:16 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I lost track of this list for about a year, due to my not updating my details when I changed ISP :( I tried looking through the list archives, but didn't find an easy way to search them. Please forgive me if this is a FAQ. Due to my RISC PC being on its last legs, I'm soon have to say farewell to RISC OS in favour of Linux. No great loss, except for OPro, which I have used to produce all my technical documentation, and really must keep. So, I propose to install WINE, and run OPro over it on my Linux boxes. If it works, I'll happily shell out the 60 quid. However, before I download both WINE and the OPro demo to try it, can anybody tell me: Have you had any experience of running OPro ovwe WINE? If so, are there any known problems? Cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 19 18:35:02 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ESHpb-4GN000-01-ou4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:35:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ESHpb-4GN000-01-ou4; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:34:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ESHpb-4GN000-01; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:34:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ESHpb-0006Nz-LZ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:34:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ESGvx-00017T-DS; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:36:57 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ESHma-0004W5-OR for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:31:20 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ESHma-0004Vz-FU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:31:20 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ESHma-000Jsy-0O for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:31:20 +0000 Message-ID: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:30:19 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I lost track of this list for about a year, due to my not updating my >details when I changed ISP :( I tried looking through the list archives, but >didn't find an easy way to search them. Type this into Google: ovation wine softwarelist >So, I propose to install WINE, and run OPro over it on my Linux boxes. If it >works, I'll happily shell out the 60 quid. However, before I download both >WINE and the OPro demo to try it, can anybody tell me: Have you had any >experience of running OPro ovwe WINE? If so, are there any known problems? John Pettigrew is the expert. As far as I recall it kinda sorta works. I'm interested in making it work better. I'm shuffling around PCs at the moment, when I've finished I should have a spare machine to devote to running Linux. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 19 18:55:03 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ESI96-0VTknw-01-1VD9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:55:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ESI96-0VTknw-01-1VD9; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:54:36 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ESI96-0VTknw-01; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:54:36 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ESI95-0003qI-TG; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:54:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ESI9p-0001Q2-3K; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:55:21 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ESI6K-0000ZR-I9 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:51:44 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.171] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ESI6K-0000ZF-4l for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:51:44 +0100 Received: from cpc4-cmbg4-5-1-cust3.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [86.8.105.3] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1ESI6J0sgb-0001cE; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:51:43 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:51:39 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.27a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1074009996--1621266467--1531422638"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1074009996--1621266467--1531422638 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > So, I propose to install WINE, and run OPro over it on my Linux boxes. = If it > works, I'll happily shell out the 60 quid. However, before I download b= oth > WINE and the OPro demo to try it, can anybody tell me: Have you had any= > experience of running OPro ovwe WINE? If so, are there any known proble= ms? I've run it succesfully using the Crossover version of wine (costs about = $30 IIRC). This usually gives much better success than the freely downloadabl= e version, as well as having much better install/uninstall tools. And they = feed back into the main wine tree as well (indeed, they're one of the major supporters of the project). But it would be worth a try in vanilla wine b= efore shelling out more cash. The only major problem I've found since the beta versions (some of which wouldn't work under wine at all) is that there can be problems with some = fonts displaying as Courier instead of the real font. We've not found a solutio= n to this. It can be a problem but you can usually work around it by using a different font. HTH John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --1074009996--1621266467--1531422638 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDVoeup6M/P/S/JWgRArDKAJ91+l1V01qF6ASAoOcJSsc0PxLdbQCbBF3g Sj5/YIOIjZq6X9NPJUd6a+8= =dKuA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1074009996--1621266467--1531422638-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 19 19:15:02 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ESIQ6-0NcGPo-06-wq5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:15:02 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ESIQ6-0NcGPo-06-wq5; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:12:10 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ESIQ6-0NcGPo-06; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:12:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ESIQ5-0005Ip-Vr; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:12:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ESHgv-0001HN-4P; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:25:29 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ESIMt-0002ia-8j for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:08:51 +0100 Received: from [193.111.201.126] (helo=lon-mail-2.gradwell.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ESIMs-0002iM-Si for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:08:50 +0100 Received: from magpieway.net ([213.162.112.164] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net ident=tony^pop3#vanderhoff*org) by lon-mail-2.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.192) id 43568bb2.68be.f for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:08:50 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:08:49 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote in message <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> > > I lost track of this list for about a year, due to my not updating my > > details when I changed ISP :( I tried looking through the list archives, > > but didn't find an easy way to search them. > > Type this into Google: > > ovation wine softwarelist > Ah, of course; thanks David. Not very encouraging, though :( > > So, I propose to install WINE, and run OPro over it on my Linux boxes. > > If it works, I'll happily shell out the 60 quid. However, before I > > download both WINE and the OPro demo to try it, can anybody tell me: > > Have you had any experience of running OPro ovwe WINE? If so, are there > > any known problems? > > John Pettigrew is the expert. As far as I recall it kinda sorta works. I'm > interested in making it work better. > OK, I guess he'll pipe up here soon. I really need it to do better than that though, as I've got techophobes using it. (Actually I'm prepared to pay more than the 60 quid for something reliable). > I'm shuffling around PCs at the moment, when I've finished I should have a > spare machine to devote to running Linux. > That would be good. Of course a native Linux version would be ideal. -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 19 19:25:03 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ESIVD-0Uvknw-05-1lu4."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:25:03 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ESIVD-0Uvknw-05-1lu4; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:17:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ESIVD-0Uvknw-05; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:17:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ESIVD-0006yu-Q5; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:17:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ESHbg-0006Tm-Sn; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:20:04 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ESITr-0003cN-OV for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:16:03 +0100 Received: from [193.111.201.126] (helo=lon-mail-2.gradwell.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ESITr-0003cF-H5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:16:03 +0100 Received: from magpieway.net ([213.162.112.164] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net ident=tony^pop3*vanderhoff$org) by lon-mail-2.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.192) id 43568d63.6b50.15b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:16:03 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:16:02 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) John Pettigrew wrote in message > In a previous message, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > So, I propose to install WINE, and run OPro over it on my Linux boxes. > > If it works, I'll happily shell out the 60 quid. However, before I > > download both WINE and the OPro demo to try it, can anybody tell me: > > Have you had any experience of running OPro ovwe WINE? If so, are there > > any known problems? > > I've run it succesfully using the Crossover version of wine (costs about > $30 IIRC). This usually gives much better success than the freely > downloadable version, as well as having much better install/uninstall > tools. And they feed back into the main wine tree as well (indeed, they're > one of the major supporters of the project). But it would be worth a try > in vanilla wine before shelling out more cash. > OK, thanks John, I'll bear that in mind. I've just installed the latest free wine, and am struggling to get to grips with its config... > The only major problem I've found since the beta versions (some of which > wouldn't work under wine at all) is that there can be problems with some > fonts displaying as Courier instead of the real font. We've not found a > solution to this. It can be a problem but you can usually work around it > by using a different font. > That sounds a lot more encouraging than what I gleaned from the list archives. OK, I'll give it a go. Thanks for your input. -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 19 22:05:11 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ESKyZ-3y3000-06-1JrA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:05:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ESKyZ-3y3000-06-1JrA; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:55:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ESKyZ-3y3000-06; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:55:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ESKyZ-0006yn-Mn; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:55:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ESK6M-0002q7-Ep; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:59:54 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ESKwX-00012v-Dk for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:53:49 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ESKwX-00012q-79 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:53:49 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ESKwW-000NyW-Fm for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:53:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:52:20 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Type this into Google: >ovation wine softwarelist This is much more effective: site:www.davidpilling.info wine The "site:" prefix allows you to limit searching to one site, so the above is how to search the mail list archives. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 19 22:25:12 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ESLK8-3vwVbs-03-tw3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:25:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ESLK8-3vwVbs-03-tw3; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:18:12 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ESLK8-3vwVbs-03; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:18:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ESLK8-0005YA-Bp; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:18:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ESKQM-0005xK-D8; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:20:34 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ESLIJ-0002m6-S2 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:16:19 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.177] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ESLIJ-0002m1-Gm for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:16:19 +0100 Received: from cpc4-cmbg4-5-1-cust3.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [86.8.105.3] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwpI-1ESLII2d6i-0003ZD; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:16:18 +0200 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:16:17 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.27a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="2089050850--1451777929--697977385"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --2089050850--1451777929--697977385 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > John Pettigrew wrote in message > >=20 > > The only major problem I've found since the beta versions[snip]is tha= t > > there can be problems with some fonts displaying as Courier instead o= f the > > real font. > >=20 > That sounds a lot more encouraging than what I gleaned from the list > archives. OK, I'll give it a go. Thanks for your input. Give it a spin - the more of us there are using it under wine, the more w= e can lean on David to make it work better :-) I'll warn you, though, that I've not put it to any heavy (i.e. profession= al) use; mostly just play, to see how well it was getting along. But you shou= ld find that it works pretty much as well as it does under Windows.=20 If we can get it reliable, it'll be worth crowing about. Even more if we = can get David to port it to linux (Qt, best of both worlds, hint hint!) - the= re's only two other DTP apps that I know of for linux, both of which are idiosyncractic at best. Scribus still doesn't to edit-in-place properly (= but is free) and Pagestream is, although powerful, a bit strange (and costs m= ore than OvPro). John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards --2089050850--1451777929--697977385 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDVreip6M/P/S/JWgRArV1AJ4zZ6EWmUaH9IWf5M4bxXsNuxQWkQCeLKhk D4zspUiFI+7TrwjFon/qT0E= =/uwL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2089050850--1451777929--697977385-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 19 22:45:13 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ESLhA-3mDVbs-08-1Rf5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:45:13 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ESLhA-3mDVbs-08-1Rf5; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:42:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ESLhA-3mDVbs-08; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:42:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ESLhA-0004Vh-6q; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:42:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ESLhu-0004Xz-5X; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:42:46 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ESLfd-0006k2-Ag for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:40:25 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ESLfc-0006jr-U9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:40:24 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ESLfc-000AaK-1m for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:40:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:38:48 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >If we can get it reliable, it'll be worth crowing about. Even more if we can >get David to port it to linux (Qt, best of both worlds, hint hint!) - there's >only two other DTP apps that I know of for linux, both of which are >idiosyncractic at best. Scribus still doesn't to edit-in-place properly (but >is free) and Pagestream is, although powerful, a bit strange (and costs more >than OvPro). Thing about Qt is that I'd have to rewrite the program - although presumably once I did it would run on Linux as well as Windows. Probably Winelib would be more the thing. I was reading that Xara were open sourcing their drawing program in an attempt to get versions done for Mac OS and Linux. Not that I'm about to do that... -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 20 00:15:17 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ESN58-3SSknw-06-jeX."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:15:17 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ESN58-3SSknw-06-jeX; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:10:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ESN58-3SSknw-06; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:10:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ESN53-0003Zx-B8; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:10:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ESMLr-00047J-Gm; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:24:03 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ESN3T-0008Jx-39 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:09:07 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.212] (helo=ptb-relay01.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ESN3S-0008Jo-PR for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:09:06 +0100 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1ESN3L-00062j-RL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:09:00 +0100 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:04:19 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: <390983bc4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 19 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > I was reading that Xara were open sourcing their drawing program in an > attempt to get versions done for Mac OS and Linux. Not that I'm about to > do that... Just a thought: Right here is a Mac user and I had to buy the little (Mini) box to run a program that was no longer supported on the PC but is, and well, on the Mac. I'm hoping to get rid of the PC in due course as I only had that to run the old program. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 20 03:05:26 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ESPmG-2mB000-07-16Wx."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 03:05:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ESPmG-2mB000-07-16Wx; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:03:32 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ESPmG-2mB000-07; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:03:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ESPmG-0000aS-96; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:03:32 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ESOtv-0006FV-NI; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:07:23 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ESPkR-000589-Ph for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 03:01:40 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ESPkQ-00057W-ON for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 03:01:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ESPkQ-000Mhm-Kg for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:01:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 03:00:25 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE References: <390983bc4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <390983bc4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Just a thought: Right here is a Mac user and I had to buy the little >(Mini) box to run a program that was no longer supported on the PC but >is, and well, on the Mac. I'm hoping to get rid of the PC in due >course as I only had that to run the old program. Quite a few people have asked about a Mac version. It is possible, but unlikely. I always ask them if they can see doing such a version as a business proposition. It has taken years of work to produce a Windows version. Doing a Mac version would be easier in the light of that effort, however anyone would want 1000's of users to justify it. With hindsight I should have taken Acorns advice circa 1995 and moved to MacOS. At the time the Mac looked no more secure than did RISC OS. Interesting things may happen soon with Apple moving to Intel processors, quite possible running Windows apps. on your Mac will become easy. We're talking here of Wine which is a way of running Windows apps on Linux. I was reading Mac World today. An amazing thing, a piece of software that lets the Apple menu appear at the mouse pointer. Mac World suggests using a spare mouse button to trigger the menu. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 20 14:20:18 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ESUiK-4GZVbs-02-1A7P."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:20:18 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ESUiK-4GZVbs-02-1A7P; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:19:49 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ESUiK-4GZVbs-02; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:19:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ESUiL-0001M3-6d; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:19:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ESTpx-0001lc-V5; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:23:37 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ESUge-00005D-Sb for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:18:04 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.186] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ESUge-000058-Ld for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:18:04 +0100 Received: from cpc4-cmbg4-5-1-cust3.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [86.8.105.3] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1ESUgd3UWS-0000CY; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:18:03 +0200 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:18:00 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <390983bc4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.27a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1852315589--1094305992--147395198"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1852315589--1094305992--147395198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > Quite a few people have asked about a Mac version. It is possible, but > unlikely. >=20 > I always ask them if they can see doing such a version as a business > proposition. Qt would get you a Mac version easily, too :-) But, I know, it would require starting again with the new toolkit. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --1852315589--1094305992--147395198 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDV0Srp6M/P/S/JWgRApcSAJ4xf2SbKIsFmGcI36PTYJsm2tIecQCeOxBt cAICcGuWYxeDuJc9kLVwjms= =sVre -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1852315589--1094305992--147395198-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 20 14:20:22 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ESVnQ-2GkGPo-05-1Q5L."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:20:22 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ESVnQ-2GkGPo-05-1Q5L; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:29:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ESVnQ-2GkGPo-05; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:29:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ESVnQ-0000Gw-3i; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:29:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ESVo9-0008Ty-JK; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:29:53 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ESVlc-00011A-3g for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:27:16 +0100 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ESVlb-000111-71 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:27:15 +0100 Received: from barryix (i-83-67-106-112.freedom2surf.net [83.67.106.112]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9K8REch027906 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:27:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:20:19 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: <4dbcb5f02dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <390983bc4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > I was reading Mac World today. An amazing thing, a piece of software > that lets the Apple menu appear at the mouse pointer. Mac World > suggests using a spare mouse button to trigger the menu. What will they think of next! :o)) -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 20 14:20:25 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ESWDn-1yI000-04-105Q."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:20:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ESWDn-1yI000-04-105Q; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:56:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ESWDn-1yI000-04; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:56:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ESWDn-0001j2-Fx; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:56:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ESWDh-0006so-MO; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:56:17 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ESWBe-00066a-N9 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:54:10 +0100 Received: from [195.188.213.7] (helo=smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ESWBe-000666-CG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:54:10 +0100 Received: from faxcomm ([82.34.222.136]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:54:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John M Ward To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:54:22 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: <4dbcb90e35john@acornusers.org> In-Reply-To: <4dbcb5f02dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> References: <390983bc4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> <4dbcb5f02dbarry@e-allen.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.03j (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2005 08:54:56.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1D81800:01C5D553] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4dbcb5f02dbarry@e-allen.me.uk>, Barry E Allen wrote: > In article , David Pilling > wrote: > > I was reading Mac World today. An amazing thing, a piece of software > > that lets the Apple menu appear at the mouse pointer. Mac World > > suggests using a spare mouse button to trigger the menu. > What will they think of next! :o)) It's like I've always said: sooner or later, the rest of the world catches up with us -- like the almost-as-readable fonts on XP (well, at some point sizes anyway) well over a decade after Acorn did it right. Back to the subject line, I've often used Ovation-Pro under wine -- a good Merlot or Sauvignon Blanc, typically. It is at times like that when the check-as-you-type spelling checker is so useful -- something else now found on other platforms' native apps, but started with Impression and later Ovation-Pro. -- John M Ward : RISC OS computing since 1987, now Iyonix-powered! Acorn/RISC OS web page: www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 20 15:10:12 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ESb1N-1zRVbs-02-13oM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:10:12 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ESb1N-1zRVbs-02-13oM; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:03:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ESb1N-1zRVbs-02; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:03:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ESb1N-00015p-N7; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:03:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ESaI3-0007OR-EZ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:17:03 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ESay8-0000OD-1l for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:00:32 +0100 Received: from [212.62.69.126] (helo=sally.dts-online.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ESaxs-0000KV-IN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:00:20 +0100 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-118-213.teleos-web.de [213.182.118.213]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 11E12422D44 for ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:00:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:00:21 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 20 Oct 2005 16:00:18 +0200 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:00:18 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: References: <390983bc4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > I was reading Mac World today. An amazing thing, a piece of software > that lets the Apple menu appear at the mouse pointer. Mac World suggests > using a spare mouse button to trigger the menu. > Just plug-in any old USB mouse with three buttons and watch Your Mac do 'funny' things. Then there are those guys who claim to have cramps from using so 'many' buttons on a mouse... Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 20 21:00:28 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ESgTv-3qcVbs-07-1NvM."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:00:28 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ESgTv-3qcVbs-07-1NvM; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:53:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ESgTv-3qcVbs-07; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:53:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ESgTv-00023f-LM; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:53:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ESgTq-00039N-4X; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:53:38 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ESgRU-0007V2-LV for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:51:12 +0100 Received: from [149.174.40.153] (helo=liaag2ab.mx.compuserve.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ESgRT-0007Um-Su for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:51:12 +0100 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by liaag2ab.mx.compuserve.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/g1.1) id j9KJpARD021093 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:51:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:50:02 -0400 From: Nobilangelo Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Opro (w) under WINE To: "INTERNET:softwarelist@davidpilling.net" Message-ID: <200510201550_MC3-1-ACF4-8A7B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >In article <4dbcb5f02dbarry@e-allen.me.uk>, > Barry E Allen wrote: > In article , David Pilling > wrote: >> > I was reading Mac World today. An amazing thing, a piece of software= >> > that lets the Apple menu appear at the mouse pointer. Mac World >> > suggests using a spare mouse button to trigger the menu. >> What will they think of next! :o)) >It's like I've always said: sooner or later, the rest of the world >catches up with us -- like the almost-as-readable fonts on XP (well, at >some point sizes anyway) well over a decade after Acorn did it right. >Back to the subject line, I've often used Ovation-Pro under wine -- a >good Merlot or Sauvignon Blanc, typically. It is at times like that >when the check-as-you-type spelling checker is so useful -- something >else now found on other platforms' native apps, but started with >Impression and later Ovation-Pro. It started much earlier than that. GST's (i.e., Acorn's) 1stWordPlus had = it way back in 1989. It could even pick up a typo when the cursor was merely= wafted over a word. -- Nobilangelo Ceramalus. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 20 22:30:33 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EShvr-2OJGPo-05-1Dwu."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:30:33 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EShvr-2OJGPo-05-1Dwu; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:26:40 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EShvr-2OJGPo-05; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:26:40 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EShvr-0001gD-KQ; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:26:39 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EShCT-0000Vl-9n; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:39:45 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EShtX-0001PS-6p for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:24:15 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.132] (helo=pih-relay05.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EShtW-0001PM-TZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:24:14 +0100 Received: from [84.92.97.176] (helo=greatest) by pih-relay05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EShtN-00075U-6g for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:24:05 +0100 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:19:31 +0100 From: Tim Powys-Lybbe To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: References: <390983bc4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: South Farm, Calstone, Calne, Wilts, England (no house here!) User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message of 20 Oct, Martin Vethake wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > I was reading Mac World today. An amazing thing, a piece of software > > that lets the Apple menu appear at the mouse pointer. Mac World suggests > > using a spare mouse button to trigger the menu. > > > Just plug-in any old USB mouse with three buttons and watch Your > Mac do 'funny' things. Then there are those guys who claim to > have cramps from using so 'many' buttons on a mouse... No problem here using on the Mac Mini the three-buttom mouse that came with the Iyo. (I have a Logitech trackerball for the Iyo.) -- Tim Powys-Lybbe                                          tim@powys.org              For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 21 15:55:36 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ESyBJ-0q4000-03-1EkU."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:55:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ESyBJ-0q4000-03-1EkU; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:47:42 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ESyBJ-0q4000-03; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:47:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ESyBJ-0007jS-FZ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:47:41 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ESyBD-0008W2-1i; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:47:35 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ESx9C-0002E1-Lx for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:41:26 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ESx9C-0002Dr-EC for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:41:26 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ESx2w-000PuP-3l for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:34:58 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:40:14 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE References: <390983bc4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_EXPERIENCE, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ***** From:(Prospero) ***** On Thu 20 Oct 2005 (03:00:25 +0100), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >Quite a few people have asked about a Mac version. It is possible, but >unlikely. This is such a shame. OPro may not have all the high-end features of Quark and InDesign, but for everyday ease of use I know of nothing to match it on the Mac. I have no experience of Linux software. >I always ask them if they can see doing such a version as a business >proposition. Quentin Pain is producing versions of !Prophet for the Mac and Linux which I hope will be available soon. I've no idea of how many new and translated users Quentin hopes to reach, nor how he will price the new versions. Best wishes, Tim Tim Rickard Prospero Productions Ltd -- Prospero Productions Ltd Film and Television Production prospero@orpheusmail.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 21 19:44:52 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ET1mv-21bGPo-08-lZK."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:44:52 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ET1mv-21bGPo-08-lZK; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:38:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ET1mv-21bGPo-08; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:38:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ET1mu-0007VX-SW; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:38:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ET0tJ-0003cQ-Hp; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:41:17 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ET1ja-0005If-5F for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:35:18 +0100 Received: from [194.106.33.237] (helo=outmail.freedom2surf.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ET1jZ-0005Ia-Q1 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:35:17 +0100 Received: from barryix (i-83-67-106-112.freedom2surf.net [83.67.106.112]) by outmail.freedom2surf.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j9LIZHch011687 for ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:35:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Barry E Allen To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:35:39 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Barcode font? Message-ID: <4dbd721c53barry@e-allen.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Folks, I've just recently got the Widows version of Ovation Pro up and running and was wondering if there was a Windows version of the address barcode font? -- Barry A. Rugby Union in Manchester:- http://www.broughton-park.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 21 19:54:49 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ET1zA-1AqGPo-03-1JT9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:54:49 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ET1zA-1AqGPo-03-1JT9; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:51:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ET1zA-1AqGPo-03; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:51:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ET1zA-0001iS-63; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:51:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ET16i-000220-04; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:55:08 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ET1xM-0007g1-QP for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:49:32 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ET1xM-0007fp-JO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:49:32 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ET1xM-000Iq8-0m for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:49:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:48:09 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Barcode font? References: <4dbd721c53barry@e-allen.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dbd721c53barry@e-allen.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've just recently got the Widows version of Ovation Pro up and running >and was wondering if there was a Windows version of the address barcode >font? The font exists inside the applet (as a file so you can access it if you need to), and is automatically installed when OP is run. So if you're just using the applet, there is no need to do anything. If you want the font for use in another program, then delve into the applet, find it and install in the usual way. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 22 20:34:30 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ETP4H-1ISknw-05-14uY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:34:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ETP4H-1ISknw-05-14uY; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:30:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ETP4H-1ISknw-05; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:30:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ETP4H-0007Qe-HL; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:30:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ETOBW-00066J-JU; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:33:38 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ETP14-0002xV-Lr for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:26:54 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ETP14-0002wF-BO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:26:54 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ETP13-0006KB-C3 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:26:54 +0000 Message-ID: <3mOflbCdIpWDFwSh@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:25:17 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows CD update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've updated the Ovation Pro for Windows CD to version 1.03. See: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/changes.html for what is new. The latest version of Ovation Pro can use ICC colour profiles for conversion between RGB and CMYK colours. As promised a couple of weeks back this follows from ICC colour profile support in the latest version of DPScan. It will now see fonts which don't have either ANSI or Symbol character sets - a problem which was raised here a few weeks back. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Sat Oct 22 23:44:39 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ETS3B-0fYVbs-04-1ASA."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:44:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ETS3B-0fYVbs-04-1ASA; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:41:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ETS3B-0fYVbs-04; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:41:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ETS3B-0001DF-3v; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:41:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ETR4L-0004vC-0v; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:38:25 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ETP8G-0003zH-B0 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:34:20 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ETP8G-0003zC-3a for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:34:20 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1ETP8F-00092a-Dh for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:34:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:32:46 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Ovation Pro Windows all CDs have been shipped! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, It is now three weeks since I shipped the last paid for copy of the Ovation Pro for Windows CD. So really everyone should have received their CD by now. If you've not got yours please drop me a private email. Some of the CDs shipped as long ago as the start of August. So it has become a bit late to ask your neighbours, or to investigate the contents of your greenhouse or your dog. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 16:50:39 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1ETmRg-21K000-04-1O9j."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:50:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1ETmRg-21K000-04-1O9j; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:27:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1ETmRg-21K000-04; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:27:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ETmRg-0004ng-JE; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:27:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1ETlYt-00064C-1u; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:31:19 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ETmOe-0003sI-U8 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:24:48 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.32] (helo=mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ETmOe-0003sC-HT for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:24:48 +0100 Received: from 88-105-180-177.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.180.177]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 23 Oct 2005 20:34:44 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,242,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="46030175:sNHT67367258" Received: from 88-105-180-177.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.180.177]:10471 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1ETlZs-000GRm-0t for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:32:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:36:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows CD update Message-ID: <4dbe7f5090dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <3mOflbCdIpWDFwSh@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <3mOflbCdIpWDFwSh@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <3mOflbCdIpWDFwSh@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > I've updated the Ovation Pro for Windows CD to version 1.03. [Snippy] David, thanks for your continued work on OvPro. (MS-Win Version) Now unfortunately a little gripe. Ages ago, I wrote to you about the yucky small window that arrives when one clicks up the default document. Okay I can and do change it to a more suitable size with ResHacker, but it's a nuisance having to do it everytime OvPro is updated. You did say at the time, you'd look into arranging it so that the size of the default doc (or whatever doc) would be Saved with it. Any progress yet? Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 16:50:54 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EU3we-0BVGPo-08-16el."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:50:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EU3we-0BVGPo-08-16el; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:09:04 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EU3we-0BVGPo-08; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:09:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EU3we-0005fW-6J; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:09:04 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EU3wc-0005TB-Sy; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:09:02 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EU3uc-0001Fb-Fw for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:06:58 +0100 Received: from [193.111.201.126] (helo=lon-mail-2.gradwell.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EU3uc-0001FU-5H for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:06:58 +0100 Received: from magpieway.net ([213.162.112.164] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net ident=tony*pop3&vanderhoff^org) by lon-mail-2.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.198) id 435cf891.cbc5.ad for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:06:57 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:06:54 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote in message <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> > > I lost track of this list for about a year, due to my not updating my > > details when I changed ISP :( I tried looking through the list archives, > > but didn't find an easy way to search them. > > Type this into Google: > > ovation wine softwarelist > > > So, I propose to install WINE, and run OPro over it on my Linux boxes. > > If it works, I'll happily shell out the 60 quid. However, before I > > download both WINE and the OPro demo to try it, can anybody tell me: > > Have you had any experience of running OPro ovwe WINE? If so, are there > > any known problems? > > John Pettigrew is the expert. As far as I recall it kinda sorta works. I'm > interested in making it work better. > > I'm shuffling around PCs at the moment, when I've finished I should have a > spare machine to devote to running Linux. > > OK, David. How can I get hold of the demo on my Linux box, so that I can try it with wine? Presumably the 'doze installer on the web site won't work (although I could try it with wine, I suppose). -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 16:51:05 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EU8Aq-3tbknw-03-1S07."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:51:05 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EU8Aq-3tbknw-03-1S07; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:40:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EU8Aq-3tbknw-03; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:40:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EU8Aq-000733-Jd; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:40:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EU7He-0002Ct-KY; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:42:58 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EU880-0004XK-1T for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:37:04 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.188] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EU87z-0004Wo-L2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:37:03 +0100 Received: from cpc4-cmbg4-5-1-cust3.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [86.8.105.3] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML2Dk-1EU87w428P-0001t7; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:37:00 +0200 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:36:57 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.27a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1755681406--179514176--1408565175"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1755681406--179514176--1408565175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > OK, David. How can I get hold of the demo on my Linux box, so that I ca= n try > it with wine? Presumably the 'doze installer on the web site won't work= > (although I could try it with wine, I suppose). You download the exe file as normal then, if you're using vanilla wine, y= ou just run it as a normal program from wine. The installer should then run.= Using Crossover Office, you run the "Office Setup" tool, then select "Ins= tall" and pick the executable. Best of luck! John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards --1755681406--179514176--1408565175 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDXTfcp6M/P/S/JWgRAoyrAJ9f3Kbw1oaUsmyoFEXIMU+EAD6FagCfc5iP CqpIkJa4Ik1WwFQoLvKYsaw= =Ogv2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1755681406--179514176--1408565175-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 16:51:09 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUAHv-2x0Vbs-04-rmy."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:51:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUAHv-2x0Vbs-04-rmy; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:55:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUAHv-2x0Vbs-04; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:55:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUAHv-0005u0-Hd; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:55:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EU9Oz-0002Wm-7D; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:58:41 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUAEs-0007Lp-CS for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:52:18 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUAEs-0007Lk-52 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:52:18 +0100 Received: from 212-229-244-22.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.244.22] helo=mypc) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EUAEr-000Exq-0n for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:52:17 +0000 Message-ID: <003d01c5d8e5$360f4d10$16f4e5d4@mypc> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <3mOflbCdIpWDFwSh@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4dbe7f5090dfs@ukgateway.net> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows CD update Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:20:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, > Ages ago, I wrote to you about the yucky small window that arrives when > one clicks up the default document. > Okay I can and do change it to a more suitable size with ResHacker, but > it's a nuisance having to do it everytime OvPro is updated. > You did say at the time, you'd look into arranging it so that the size of > the default doc (or whatever doc) would be Saved with it. > Any progress yet? Oh yes, I fixed that ages ago. I did mention it here. What you do, is launch OPW Choices from a document window. Adjust the window size to be what you want. Finally Save choices. That size will be used for future document windows. David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 16:51:32 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUIUm-2fdGPo-06-10d9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:51:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUIUm-2fdGPo-06-10d9; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:41:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUIUm-2fdGPo-06; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:41:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUIUm-0004bc-Kf; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:41:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EUIUj-0003N1-OZ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:41:13 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUISt-00083z-Kl for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:39:19 +0100 Received: from [62.241.163.6] (helo=astro.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUISt-00083t-CM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:39:19 +0100 Received: from iyonix (85-210-189-252.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.189.252]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB4FE00008D for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:39:18 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:38:24 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows CD update Message-ID: <4dbf3fc99dgraham@gjenkins.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <003d01c5d8e5$360f4d10$16f4e5d4@mypc> References: <3mOflbCdIpWDFwSh@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4dbe7f5090dfs@ukgateway.net> <003d01c5d8e5$360f4d10$16f4e5d4@mypc> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 24 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Ages ago, I wrote to you about the yucky small window that arrives > > when one clicks up the default document. Okay I can and do change it > > to a more suitable size with ResHacker, but it's a nuisance having to > > do it everytime OvPro is updated. You did say at the time, you'd look > > into arranging it so that the size of the default doc (or whatever > > doc) would be Saved with it. Any progress yet? > Oh yes, I fixed that ages ago. I did mention it here. > What you do, is launch OPW Choices from a document window. Adjust the > window size to be what you want. Finally Save choices. That size will be > used for future document windows. > David Pilling Whilst we are talking about default window sizes, how can I set in RiscOS OP a decent size window? I have tried opening the default window (from !OvnResDir) and increasing its size to what I want and then saving it as default (from the Document>File menu. This doesn't seem to work so what else can I do? Cheers - Graham -- Graham N P Jenkins graham@gjenkins.me.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 16:51:46 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUMeg-2Ojknw-01-1M2n."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:51:46 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUMeg-2Ojknw-01-1M2n; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:07:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUMeg-2Ojknw-01; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:07:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUMeg-0002NC-FR; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:07:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EULl3-0007gu-5v; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:10:17 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUMbU-0003nY-Le for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:04:28 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.32] (helo=mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUMbU-0003nN-A9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:04:28 +0100 Received: from 88-105-182-24.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.182.24]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 25 Oct 2005 12:04:27 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Received: from 88-105-182-24.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.182.24]:10069 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EUMZ7-000Op5-VI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:02:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:05:06 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows CD update Message-ID: <4dbf583475dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <003d01c5d8e5$360f4d10$16f4e5d4@mypc> References: <3mOflbCdIpWDFwSh@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4dbe7f5090dfs@ukgateway.net> <003d01c5d8e5$360f4d10$16f4e5d4@mypc> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <003d01c5d8e5$360f4d10$16f4e5d4@mypc>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Ages ago, I wrote to you about the yucky small window that arrives > > when one clicks up the default document. Okay I can and do change it > > to a more suitable size with ResHacker, but it's a nuisance having to > > do it everytime OvPro is updated. You did say at the time, you'd look > > into arranging it so that the size of the default doc (or whatever > > doc) would be Saved with it. Any progress yet? > Oh yes, I fixed that ages ago. I did mention it here. > What you do, is launch OPW Choices from a document window. Adjust the > window size to be what you want. Finally Save choices. That size will be > used for future document windows. > David Pilling Thanks for that bit 'O info David, and yes it works okay. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 16:51:47 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUMem-1tPknw-04-wT9."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:51:47 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUMem-1tPknw-04-wT9; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:07:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUMem-1tPknw-04; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:07:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUMeh-0000rT-3y; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:07:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EUMeY-0001Bn-E1; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:07:38 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUMck-0003zu-OA for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:05:46 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.38] (helo=mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUMck-0003zj-Ix for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:05:46 +0100 Received: from 88-105-182-24.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.182.24]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 25 Oct 2005 12:05:43 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AFwPADupXUOCKYNaAQEZ X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,249,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="38087023:sNHT5298285363" Received: from 88-105-182-24.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.182.24]:10070 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EUMch-0006wV-3T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:05:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:07:06 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows CD update Message-ID: <4dbf586370dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4dbf583475dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <3mOflbCdIpWDFwSh@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4dbe7f5090dfs@ukgateway.net> <003d01c5d8e5$360f4d10$16f4e5d4@mypc> <4dbf583475dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 25 Oct, dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > > Oh yes, I fixed that ages ago. I did mention it here. > > What you do, is launch OPW Choices from a document window. Adjust the > > window size to be what you want. Finally Save choices. That size will be > > used for future document windows. > > David Pilling > Thanks for that bit 'O info David, and yes it works okay. > Cheers > Dave S And... and I've just discovered, it works for DPScan for windows as well. D. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 16:51:50 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUMtB-3Snknw-01-1LoI."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:51:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUMtB-3Snknw-01-1LoI; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:22:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUMtB-3Snknw-01; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:22:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUMtA-0003Ph-Ua; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:22:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EUMud-0004Eq-FW; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:24:15 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUMqZ-0006Ya-GA for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:20:03 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.37] (helo=mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUMqZ-0006YS-0V for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:20:03 +0100 Received: from 88-105-182-24.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.182.24]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 25 Oct 2005 12:20:02 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,249,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="44461727:sNHT22293544" Received: from 88-105-182-24.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.182.24]:10073 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EUMqX-000Mtr-WE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:20:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:21:29 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows CD update Message-ID: <4dbf59b482dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4dbf3fc99dgraham@gjenkins.me.uk> References: <3mOflbCdIpWDFwSh@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4dbe7f5090dfs@ukgateway.net> <003d01c5d8e5$360f4d10$16f4e5d4@mypc> <4dbf3fc99dgraham@gjenkins.me.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <4dbf3fc99dgraham@gjenkins.me.uk>, Graham Jenkins wrote: > On 24 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > > Ages ago, I wrote to you about the yucky small window that arrives > > > when one clicks up the default document. Okay I can and do change it > > > to a more suitable size with ResHacker, but it's a nuisance having to > > > do it everytime OvPro is updated. You did say at the time, you'd look > > > into arranging it so that the size of the default doc (or whatever > > > doc) would be Saved with it. Any progress yet? > > Oh yes, I fixed that ages ago. I did mention it here. > > What you do, is launch OPW Choices from a document window. Adjust the > > window size to be what you want. Finally Save choices. That size will > > be used for future document windows. > > David Pilling > Whilst we are talking about default window sizes, how can I set in RiscOS > OP a decent size window? I have tried opening the default window (from > !OvnResDir) and increasing its size to what I want and then saving it as > default (from the Document>File menu. This doesn't seem to work so what > else can I do? > Cheers - > Graham Graham. Open the OvPro application Dir. (Shift double click). Shift double click !OvnResDir to open it. Open the UK directory, **Now make a copy somewhere of the Templates file in case of boo-boo** then load Templates into a template editor. Find the template "Main" and double click it. A window with cross hatching will open, grab the resize icon on the bottom right hand side of the window and drag to a new size. Do Ctrl and Q together to close that window. Menu over the Template editor filer window, and Save. Now Run OvnPro. Should be your Uncle/Brother stuff... Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 16:51:55 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUNWH-1StVbs-02-1cEE."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:51:55 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUNWH-1StVbs-02-1cEE; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:03:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUNWH-1StVbs-02; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:03:09 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUNWG-0007Xn-7u; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:03:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EUNWF-00021f-AL; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:03:07 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUNUL-0008DP-9J for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:01:10 +0100 Received: from [193.111.201.125] (helo=lon-mail-1.gradwell.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUNUD-0008BN-9Y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:01:03 +0100 Received: from magpieway.net ([213.162.112.164] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net ident=tony#pop3*vanderhoff#org) by lon-mail-1.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.198) id 435e1e7c.12380.ea for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:01:00 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:00:59 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) John Pettigrew wrote in message > > You download the exe file as normal then, if you're using vanilla wine, > you just run it as a normal program from wine. The installer should then > run. > > Using Crossover Office, you run the "Office Setup" tool, then select > "Install" and pick the executable. > > Best of luck! Thanks, John. Under vanilla wine: The install appears to work fine, but: [tony@tony-lx OvationPro]$ wine OvnPro.exe err:module:load_builtin_dll loaded .so for L"Ver.dll" but got L"version.dll" instead - probably 16-bit dll Any suggestions? Cheers, Tony. -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 16:51:56 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUNaD-1kGVbs-01-1L7G."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:51:56 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUNaD-1kGVbs-01-1L7G; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:07:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUNaD-1kGVbs-01; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:07:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUNaD-0007Db-KD; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:07:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EUMhH-000195-0w; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:10:27 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUNYe-0000V4-AK for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:05:36 +0100 Received: from [62.241.163.6] (helo=astro.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUNYe-0000UD-1d for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:05:36 +0100 Received: from iyonix (85-210-5-186.dsl.pipex.com [85.210.5.186]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AD3E00026B for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:05:30 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:05:25 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows CD update Message-ID: <4dbf5dba44graham@gjenkins.me.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dbf59b482dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <3mOflbCdIpWDFwSh@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4dbe7f5090dfs@ukgateway.net> <003d01c5d8e5$360f4d10$16f4e5d4@mypc> <4dbf3fc99dgraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <4dbf59b482dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04b (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 25 Oct, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4dbf3fc99dgraham@gjenkins.me.uk>, Graham Jenkins > wrote: [Snip] > > Whilst we are talking about default window sizes, how can I set in > > RiscOS OP a decent size window? I have tried opening the default > > window (from !OvnResDir) and increasing its size to what I want and > > then saving it as default (from the Document>File menu. This doesn't > > seem to work so what else can I do? > > Cheers - > > Graham > Graham. Open the OvPro application Dir. (Shift double click). Shift > double click !OvnResDir to open it. Open the UK directory, **Now make a > copy somewhere of the Templates file in case of boo-boo** then load > Templates into a template editor. > Find the template "Main" and double click it. A window with cross > hatching will open, grab the resize icon on the bottom right hand side > of the window and drag to a new size. Do Ctrl and Q together to close > that window. Menu over the Template editor filer window, and Save. > Now Run OvnPro. > Should be your Uncle/Brother stuff... > Cheers Dave S Thanks Dave - that has worked. Cheers - Graham -- Yvonne L Jenkins yvonne@gjenkins.me.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 16:52:09 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUPXE-28b000-01-1Adj."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:52:09 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUPXE-28b000-01-1Adj; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:12:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUPXE-28b000-01; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:12:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUPXE-00017N-M5; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:12:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EUOeA-0003M6-Ji; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:15:22 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUPVA-0000Pd-Ch for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:10:08 +0100 Received: from [212.62.69.126] (helo=sally.dts-online.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUPV9-0000PT-UN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:10:08 +0100 Received: from uff411.ucs.de (213-182-119-129.teleos-web.de [213.182.119.129]) by sally.dts-online.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CDCB49CFD0 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:10:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kaskaskia.ucs.de ([192.168.202.184]) by uff411.ucs.de; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:10:06 +0200 Received: from martinv by kaskaskia.ucs.de with local (RemoteNB 1.53beta2) for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; 25 Oct 2005 16:10:05 +0200 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:10:05 +0200 From: Martin Vethake To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: <132469bf4d.martinv@kaskaskia.ucs.de> References: <390983bc4d.tim@south-frm.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: U C S User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.60 (RemoteNB/1.53beta2) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.45 (06 Nov 2002), ZapEmail 0.26 (03 Nov 2002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message you wrote: > In message of 20 Oct, Martin Vethake wrote: > > > In message you wrote: > > > > > I was reading Mac World today. An amazing thing, a piece of software > > > that lets the Apple menu appear at the mouse pointer. Mac World suggests > > > using a spare mouse button to trigger the menu. > > > > > Just plug-in any old USB mouse with three buttons and watch Your > > Mac do 'funny' things. Then there are those guys who claim to > > have cramps from using so 'many' buttons on a mouse... > > No problem here using on the Mac Mini the three-buttom mouse that came > with the Iyo. (I have a Logitech trackerball for the Iyo.) > 'Funny' as in not having to use the pretzel and whatnot. Like they always admitted one button is _not_ enough. Regards -- Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 16:52:21 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUT6V-14AGPo-04-174S."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:52:21 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUT6V-14AGPo-04-174S; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:00:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUT6V-14AGPo-04; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:00:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUT6V-0002Wy-EY; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:00:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EUS7d-0005ub-Kz; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:58:01 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUT4Z-0007UY-Cy for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:58:55 +0100 Received: from [213.162.97.75] (helo=mail.metronet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUT4Z-0007UQ-0C for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:58:55 +0100 Received: from mpc.mpc1.fish.co.uk (213-162-112-233.malcol124.adsl.metronet.co.uk [213.162.112.233]) by smtp.metronet.co.uk (MetroNet Mail) with ESMTP id 98D1B40EF9A for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:58:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows CD update To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: M P Churchill X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:57:59 +0100 Message-ID: <87017ebf4d.mpc@mpc1.fish.co.uk> References: <3mOflbCdIpWDFwSh@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4dbe7f5090dfs@ukgateway.net> <4dbf3fc99dgraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <4dbf59b482dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4dbf59b482dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4dbf59b482dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <4dbf3fc99dgraham@gjenkins.me.uk>, > Graham Jenkins wrote: >> On 24 Oct, David Pilling wrote: >> Whilst we are talking about default window sizes, how can I set in RiscOS >> OP a decent size window? I have tried opening the default window (from >> !OvnResDir) and increasing its size to what I want and then saving it as >> default (from the Document>File menu. This doesn't seem to work so what >> else can I do? > >> Cheers - > >> Graham > > Graham. > Open the OvPro application Dir. (Shift double click). > Shift double click !OvnResDir to open it. > Open the UK directory, **Now make a copy somewhere of the Templates file > in case of boo-boo** then load Templates into a template editor. > > Find the template "Main" and double click it. > A window with cross hatching will open, grab the resize icon on the bottom > right hand side of the window and drag to a new size. > Do Ctrl and Q together to close that window. > Menu over the Template editor filer window, and Save. > > Now Run OvnPro. > > Should be your Uncle/Brother stuff... > I never knew that! I have used OvPro since it started and never knew this! A very useful tip - as long as you don't try to use !TemplEd (it loses some of the templates on saving.) Worked with !WinEd perfectly. Thanks -- Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 16:52:24 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUUiH-2fT000-04-1MVi."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:52:24 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUUiH-2fT000-04-1MVi; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:44:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUUiH-2fT000-04; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:44:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUUiH-0003K2-1S; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:44:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EUTpF-0008Qs-G8; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:47:09 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUUgU-0002M5-GS for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:42:10 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.214] (helo=ptb-relay03.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUUgU-0002Lt-5i for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:42:10 +0100 Received: from [80.229.143.2] (helo=radstock) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EUUgN-0001uM-RM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:42:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:41:23 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows CD update Message-ID: <4dbf8778d1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <87017ebf4d.mpc@mpc1.fish.co.uk> References: <3mOflbCdIpWDFwSh@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4dbe7f5090dfs@ukgateway.net> <4dbf3fc99dgraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <4dbf59b482dfs@ukgateway.net> <87017ebf4d.mpc@mpc1.fish.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.04-pre2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <87017ebf4d.mpc@mpc1.fish.co.uk>, M P Churchill wrote: > A very useful tip - as long as you don't try to use !TemplEd (it > loses some of the templates on saving.) Worked with !WinEd > perfectly. If my memory serves me correctly, you need to go into TemplEd !Run file and look for the lines near the end Set TemplEd$MaxTemplates 200 | max number of user templates Set TemplEd$MaxIcons 500 | max number of icons in a user template Set TemplEd$MaxIndirSize 16000 | space for indirected data (only for loading) I think in the original version the maxTemplates is set to 100. OPro has more than 100 templates. Set it to 200 as here. Chris... --=20 Chris Johnson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 16:52:25 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUVMO-0Q3knw-01-1DL5."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:52:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUVMO-0Q3knw-01-1DL5; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:25:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUVMO-0Q3knw-01; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:25:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUVMO-0006vk-33; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:25:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EUVNq-0000kR-UX; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:26:58 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUVKZ-0006ta-Ed for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:23:35 +0100 Received: from [212.74.114.37] (helo=mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUVKZ-0006tT-5y for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:23:35 +0100 Received: from 88-105-188-149.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.105.188.149]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 25 Oct 2005 21:17:26 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,250,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="44737406:sNHT54142228" Received: from 88-105-188-149.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.188.149]:10164 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EUVEc-0005XK-1U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:17:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:17:24 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows CD update Message-ID: <4dbf8ac4f9dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <87017ebf4d.mpc@mpc1.fish.co.uk> References: <3mOflbCdIpWDFwSh@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4dbe7f5090dfs@ukgateway.net> <4dbf3fc99dgraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <4dbf59b482dfs@ukgateway.net> <87017ebf4d.mpc@mpc1.fish.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article <87017ebf4d.mpc@mpc1.fish.co.uk>, M P Churchill wrote: > A very useful tip - as long as you don't try to use !TemplEd (it loses > some of the templates on saving.) Worked with !WinEd perfectly. > Thanks > Malcolm I was about to answer when Chris Johnson's posting arrived... nail upon head stuff. Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 16:52:48 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUgOL-0jzVbs-08-tmc."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:52:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUgOL-0jzVbs-08-tmc; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:12:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUgOL-0jzVbs-08; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:12:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUgOL-0000K7-QD; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:12:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EUfex-0002KZ-7j; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:25:19 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUgLp-0007ZX-3D for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:09:37 +0100 Received: from [213.162.97.75] (helo=mail.metronet.co.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUgLo-0007ZL-LL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:09:36 +0100 Received: from mpc.mpc1.fish.co.uk (213-162-112-233.malcol124.adsl.metronet.co.uk [213.162.112.233]) by smtp.metronet.co.uk (MetroNet Mail) with ESMTP id 6DB39416F3B for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:09:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows CD update To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: M P Churchill X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:07:02 +0100 Message-ID: <1dbdcbbf4d.mpc@mpc1.fish.co.uk> References: <3mOflbCdIpWDFwSh@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4dbe7f5090dfs@ukgateway.net> <4dbf3fc99dgraham@gjenkins.me.uk> <4dbf59b482dfs@ukgateway.net> <87017ebf4d.mpc@mpc1.fish.co.uk> <4dbf8778d1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4dbf8778d1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4dbf8778d1chris@chrisjohnson.plus.com> Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <87017ebf4d.mpc@mpc1.fish.co.uk>, > M P Churchill wrote: > >> A very useful tip - as long as you don't try to use !TemplEd (it >> loses some of the templates on saving.) Worked with !WinEd >> perfectly. > > If my memory serves me correctly, you need to go into TemplEd !Run > file and look for the lines near the end > > Set TemplEd$MaxTemplates 200 | max number of user templates > Set TemplEd$MaxIcons 500 | max number of icons in a user template > Set TemplEd$MaxIndirSize 16000 | space for indirected data (only for > loading) > > I think in the original version the maxTemplates is set to 100. OPro > has more than 100 templates. Set it to 200 as here. > > Chris... I used to muck around with things in Run files etc, but it's all been so stable over the past few years I forget how easy it is to customise things in RISC OS. Thanks for the support! -- Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 18:50:27 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUpOm-1NBVbs-07-11pD."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:50:27 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUpOm-1NBVbs-07-11pD; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:49:17 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUpOm-1NBVbs-07; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:49:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUpOm-0002qr-MX; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:49:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EUoVZ-0000Od-5a; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:52:13 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUpMb-0002R0-2t for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:47:01 +0100 Received: from [193.111.201.126] (helo=lon-mail-2.gradwell.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUpMa-0002Qo-K8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:47:00 +0100 Received: from magpieway.net ([213.162.112.164] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net ident=tony$pop3*vanderhoff^org) by lon-mail-2.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.198) id 435fc097.14bba.b for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:44:55 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:44:51 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Tony van der Hoff wrote in message [snip] > > Under vanilla wine: The install appears to work fine, but: > > [tony@tony-lx OvationPro]$ wine OvnPro.exe > err:module:load_builtin_dll loaded .so for L"Ver.dll" but got L"version.dll" > instead - probably 16-bit dll > OK, I can answer this myself now. The Version applet contains a dll named Ver.dll. However, it appears that the internal name is "version.dll", and Wine is objecting to the mismatch. I have mowed the Version applet out of the way, and can now usefully use OPro! It is pretty good, but not quite worthy of the cigar, and not yet suitable as a production tool, unfortunately. Which leaves me in a bit of a quandry on where to go from here. More on that below. I've spent a few hours playing with some real live documents, and was pleasantly surprised (not least that OPro seems to have moved on since I last updated my RISC OS version). All the basic text editing works fine; frames are good, draw elements also, object editing works fine. Here is a list of some of the problems I've encountered; only one or two show-stoppers: 1. Version Applet - removed. 2. File -> Open dialogue: "All file types" interpreted as "*.*"; not true under unix; "*" would be more appropriate. I have many files named "doc,b27" on my (shared) file system, which load fine into OPro, I just can't select them from a list. 3. File -> Open dialogue crashes the application occasionally. Since it also does this with notepad, I guess it's a WINE bug. 4. when the file opens, I get WINE not supported messages in its terminal: psdrv:PSDRV_ExtEscape QUERYESCSUPPORT font:GetKerningPairsW these don't seem to have a terribly detrimental effect. 5. The toolbox and Info pallette windows are on top of everything, even the taskbar, and of course any other applications on the current desktop. After clicking on either one, it even appears on other desktops. Highly intrusive. 6. The main window (and associated windows) simply won't minimise. That is to say, it does, and then immediately pops up again. 7. This is the only real showstopper I've found: misc -> preferences (and some other similar functions e.g. misc -> choices) results in an error box: "Access denied (GetScrollInfo)(5)". In all, pretty good, considering it was never conceived to run like this. So, David, here is the challenge: If you have got your Linux box working, and are able to commit a bit of time to fixing the worst of the bugs (5,6,7 above in order of severity) in a reasonable time-scale, I will be very happy to pay the 60 quid, as well as help you beta-test a WINE-compatible version. I agree with John P. that a capable DTP for Linux is sadly lacking, and I believe that you are in a possition to cash in here. Ultimately a native version would be good. However, if you haven't got the time to devote to this, and I acknowledge that it probably won't be a high priority for you, then I'm probably going to have to think of some other way of doing things (like getting my RISC-PC mended), which would be very disappointing after such a promising start. I look forward to hearing your feelings on this... Cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 19:20:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUpqM-3LPVbs-02-1QxB."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:20:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUpqM-3LPVbs-02-1QxB; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:17:46 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUpqM-3LPVbs-02; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:17:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUpqL-0001n0-SX; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:17:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EUp7A-0006bl-5q; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:31:04 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUpoh-0007QR-TN for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:16:03 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.187] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUpoh-0007QE-FL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:16:03 +0100 Received: from cpc4-cmbg4-5-1-cust3.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [86.8.105.3] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1EUpog43Nr-0003Fn; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:16:02 +0200 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:16:00 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.27a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="614011681--1436503484--374220932"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --614011681--1436503484--374220932 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Under vanilla wine: The install appears to work fine, but: >=20 > [tony@tony-lx OvationPro]$ wine OvnPro.exe err:module:load_builtin_dll > loaded .so for L"Ver.dll" but got L"version.dll" instead - probably 16-= bit > dll >=20 > Any suggestions? Have you tried the new wine release (0.9) which just came out in the past= few days? It's supposed to have some useful improvements... Although, I have to say that the most recent OvPro also failed to work he= re under wine (older version), although I can't remember the exact problem. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Fields of Valour: 2 Norse clans battle on one of 3 different boards --614011681--1436503484--374220932 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDX8fip6M/P/S/JWgRAs0eAJ9Bx1gjV606nDN+yXt7gf+lPAswLwCeOMK8 iwOIO5MoHVBB5AoriZAAcmI= =WlQb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --614011681--1436503484--374220932-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 19:30:29 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUpve-0aKGPo-08-bin."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:30:29 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUpve-0aKGPo-08-bin; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:23:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUpve-0aKGPo-08; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:23:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUpve-0000Op-2U; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:23:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EUowc-0006jJ-Ge; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:20:10 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUptr-00084D-Ds for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:21:23 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.171] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUptr-000846-7J for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:21:23 +0100 Received: from cpc4-cmbg4-5-1-cust3.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [86.8.105.3] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1EUptq1c6U-0004Xe; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:21:22 +0200 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:21:21 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.27a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1686942444--304037469--1325714373"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1686942444--304037469--1325714373 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > 5. The toolbox and Info pallette windows are on top of everything, even= the > taskbar, and of course any other applications on the current desktop. A= fter > clicking on either one, it even appears on other desktops. Highly intru= sive. I suspect that this won't be a simple fix, because it's a clash between t= he simplistic Windows desktop model and the more flexible X-Windows one. > 6. The main window (and associated windows) simply won't minimise. That= is > to say, it does, and then immediately pops up again. Which window manager/desktop are you using? ISTR a similar problem here w= ith some wine apps. Using a different minimise method might work - try the minimise option from the iconbar tasklist, for example. I do know that windowshade doesn't seem to work well for wine apps (that's where the win= dow collapses up into the titlebar). > 7. This is the only real showstopper I've found: misc -> preferences (a= nd > some other similar functions e.g. misc -> choices) results in an error = box: > "Access denied (GetScrollInfo)(5)". Have you tried doing 'chmod -R u+a' on OvnPro's directory, to ensure that= all permissions are enabled? Sounds like some sort of permissions problem! > I'm probably going to have to think of some other way of doing things (= like > getting my RISC-PC mended), which would be very disappointing after suc= h a > promising start. Ah well! John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --1686942444--304037469--1325714373 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDX8kip6M/P/S/JWgRAkLtAJ0Z1+Wlew7kI8LU4knNDJUCcqf/EQCbBMPo 2yygMAhXF0Y9wtqysRuVbI0= =W0jV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1686942444--304037469--1325714373-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 19:40:30 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUq3O-0sZGPo-08-11Ab."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:40:30 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUq3O-0sZGPo-08-11Ab; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:31:14 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUq3O-0sZGPo-08; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:31:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUq3O-0002Y2-AF; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:31:14 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EUq4y-0007Tj-4i; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:32:52 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUq1D-0001BX-AF for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:28:59 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.92] (helo=anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUq1D-0001BS-5r for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:28:59 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EUq1C-0004aU-FZ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:28:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:27:41 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >So, David, here is the challenge: If you have got your Linux box working, >and are able to commit a bit of time to fixing the worst of the bugs (5,6,7 Thanks for all that. I will investigate. One motivation is that it sounds like you've found some things that are wrong on Windows too. I was going to say, there are no 16 bit piece of OPW. Currently I'm assessing how my stuff works on Windows XP 64 (i.e. 64 bit Windows). I've not got Linux set up yet, it'll take me another couple of weeks to do that. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From john@xl-cambridge.com Wed Oct 26 20:40:32 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUr4R-14oGPo-04-B0S."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:40:32 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUr4R-14oGPo-04-B0S; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:36:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUr4R-14oGPo-04 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:36:23 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.177] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUr4R-0003Wo-20 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:36:23 +0000 Received: from cpc4-cmbg4-5-1-cust3.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [86.8.105.3] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML21M-1EUr4Q2QYd-0000j1; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:36:22 +0200 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:36:21 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: David Pilling X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.27a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="690757229--1812596561--285575606"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --690757229--1812596561--285575606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You wrote: > I've not got Linux set up yet, it'll take me another couple of weeks to= do > that. David, I can't remember whether you'd decided which linux distro to go with. If = you haven't, I'd suggest that the best solution at the moment is SUSE linux 1= 0. It's just been released, so is most up to date, and is cheap (=A336 on amazon.co.uk, or free for the download). It's also got the best admin too= ls of any distro and the easiest installation procedure. Other good distros are= Mandriva (used to be Mandrake), which is another consumer-focused distro = but not as polished as SUSE, RedHat (not so popular outside the USA but prett= y good nonetheless) and Slackware, which is more of a hacker's distro. When experimenting with wine, I'd strongly recommend installing CrossoverOffice alongside a vanilla wine. That should give you a combinat= ion of best support (cxoffice) against widest and cheapest solution (vanilla)= . CrossoverOffice is under $40 so won't break the bank, and Codeweavers (wh= o are behind it) are very keen on talking to developers to help them get their = stuff running properly. HTH! John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummi= es!=20 --690757229--1812596561--285575606 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDX9q2p6M/P/S/JWgRAuHnAKCOEUGsZ0kC9DirAcI7w2x4iIdVuwCeKyi/ UH0SvR0fm+UBR0Xl+xFkWvA= =h2El -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --690757229--1812596561--285575606-- From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 21:10:34 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUrTU-1UdGPo-05-18H1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:10:34 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUrTU-1UdGPo-05-18H1; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:02:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUrTU-1UdGPo-05; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:02:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUrTT-0003Ni-Tt; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:02:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EUqZr-0003FC-4m; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:04:47 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUrRG-0004ZD-GA for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:59:58 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.183] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUrRG-0004Z3-2t for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:59:58 +0100 Received: from cpc4-cmbg4-5-1-cust3.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [86.8.105.3] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1EUrRF240j-0002wH; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:59:57 +0200 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:59:57 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.27a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1186190--1747188014--587327131"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1186190--1747188014--587327131 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, John Pettigrew wrote: > Have you tried the new wine release (0.9) which just came out in the pa= st > few days? I've just followed my own advice, with good success. WRT your other probl= ems: I find the same for the File-Open dialog. Annoying, and probably not limi= ted to us linux boys.=20 The pallettes are badly behaved - the main window, too, sometimes. I'm st= ill not sure that this is just an OvnPro problem but it's very annoying (can effectively lock you to just one workspace because OvnPro keeps popping b= ack on its own workspace). I think this is linked to the "won't minimise" thi= ng. And I've found that it sometimes will and sometimes won't. No real idea w= hy yet, though. The crash on Misc-Preferences, I find here also. No idea why :-( One piece of good news, though - the font handling bug seems to have vani= shed=20 :-D All fonts now appear to work properly, including subfamilies. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --1186190--1747188014--587327131 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDX+A9p6M/P/S/JWgRAnIWAJ44cGSBeK7vPYv6Wvbbs+rs98KQwwCeMH1b KZDkajotxoMcKfy/hhcHM1w= =F4VW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1186190--1747188014--587327131-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 22:00:39 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUsEN-1dr000-03-1X5g."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:00:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUsEN-1dr000-03-1X5g; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:50:44 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUsEN-1dr000-03; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:50:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUsEN-0001Ty-Ca; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:50:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EUrL7-0001UM-Hm; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:53:37 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUsCS-0005um-Vc for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:48:45 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUsCS-0005ue-Mi for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:48:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EUsCQ-000Kzu-KX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:48:42 +0000 Message-ID: <6wT8w4Ett+XDFwK+@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:47:41 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >The pallettes are badly behaved - the main window, too, sometimes. I'm still >not sure that this is just an OvnPro problem but it's very annoying (can >effectively lock you to just one workspace because OvnPro keeps popping back >on its own workspace). The palletes should just be doing the usual Windows child-parent window thing. >One piece of good news, though - the font handling bug seems to have vanished >:-D All fonts now appear to work properly, including subfamilies. There has been a rewrite of enumerating fonts in the latest version of OPW, so not surprising, good news. Thanks for the suggestion of which distro to choose. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 22:40:39 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUswC-1k8000-05-1FKp."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:40:39 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUswC-1k8000-05-1FKp; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:36:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUswC-1k8000-05; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:36:01 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUswC-0001hq-EJ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:36:00 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EUswB-0003sC-K3; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:35:59 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUstr-0003za-MY for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:33:35 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.186] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUstr-0003zI-AX for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:33:35 +0100 Received: from cpc4-cmbg4-5-1-cust3.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [86.8.105.3] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML21M-1EUstn2puQ-0001aB; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:33:31 +0200 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:33:31 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6wT8w4Ett+XDFwK+@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6wT8w4Ett+XDFwK+@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.27a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="962222933--1868394379--1434536633"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --962222933--1868394379--1434536633 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > > The pallettes are badly behaved - the main window, too, sometimes. I'= m > > still not sure that this is just an OvnPro problem but it's very anno= ying > > (can effectively lock you to just one workspace because OvnPro keeps > > popping back on its own workspace). >=20 > The palletes should just be doing the usual Windows child-parent window= > thing. I think that there are two separate problems. First, the main window won't minimise - it immediately pops open again. T= his manifests particularly annoyingly when changing to a different workspace,= because, when changing workspace, the apps on the first space are effecti= vely minimised. OvPro doesn't like this and immediately pops itself up again, = which causes the display to revert to the original workspace. This makes it impossible to change workspace while OvPro is running. (I assume that OvP= ro minimises happily when working under Windows? Perhaps it's an issue of ev= ents that trigger a Restore under the two systems.) Second, OvnPro doesn't always do this. Sometimes, it allows itself to be minimised and/or the workspace to be changed. However, although the toolb= ox and info palette are minimised along with the main window, they don't disappear on a workspace change if OvPro has not been minimised. So, they= appear on every workspace, not just the one containing OvPro. This could be a wine bug - I've not run any Windows apps that use palette= s like this before. However, given that Photoshop is officially supported a= nd that makes extensive use of palettes, I'd have expected them to be workin= g. Unless you do it a completely different way to Adobe, of course :-) The refusal to minimise is a serious issue, the omnipresent palettes less= so. The second problem could be worked around by minimising before changing workspace - if OvPro would let me :-) > > One piece of good news, though - the font handling bug seems to have > > vanished >=20 > There has been a rewrite of enumerating fonts in the latest version of = OPW, > so not surprising, good news. I'd spotted that tidbit in the changelog, which was what gave me hope. We= 're so nearly there that I can taste it! All we need to be able to do now is change that dreadful Windows interfac= e to something a bit more appealing (button sizes, interface font and size, co= lour scheme), but that's not your problem :-) Thanks, John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummi= es!=20 --962222933--1868394379--1434536633 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDX/Yrp6M/P/S/JWgRAn4LAJ9DthSFhkuC8TBC7aY+QVU6IqyunQCdHLtz dn+7QBN9HSa+qxlqvjIv+wo= =86z7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --962222933--1868394379--1434536633-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Oct 26 23:00:41 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EUtJJ-3PG000-02-1W0k."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:00:41 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EUtJJ-3PG000-02-1W0k; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:59:54 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EUtJJ-3PG000-02; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:59:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EUtJJ-0004kD-EO; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:59:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EUtJE-0005Nl-3s; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:59:48 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EUtHg-0007wF-UC for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:58:12 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EUtHg-0007w2-Ja for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:58:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EUtHg-0004bp-KL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:58:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:56:34 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6wT8w4Ett+XDFwK+@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >impossible to change workspace while OvPro is running. (I assume that OvPro >minimises happily when working under Windows? Yes. >Second, OvnPro doesn't always do this. Sometimes, it allows itself to be >minimised and/or the workspace to be changed. That sounds like a clue to me. For example if you close all the palettes from the View -> Options menu can you minimise? Or can you minimise when the (flashing) caret is not active - i.e. text frame not selected. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 27 14:44:36 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EV0JT-4awVbs-01-17xY."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:44:36 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EV0JT-4awVbs-01-17xY; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:28:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EV0JT-4awVbs-01; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:28:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EV0JT-0004fW-D2; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:28:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EV0L4-0006je-Aj; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:30:10 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EV0HK-0001FS-KR for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:26:18 +0100 Received: from [203.10.1.142] (helo=vscan03.westnet.com.au) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EV0HJ-0001F1-Th for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:26:18 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F49B606C4 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:26:15 +0800 (WST) Received: from vscan03.westnet.com.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (vscan03.westnet.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04195-03-4 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:26:15 +0800 (WST) Received: from [10.1.1.2] (dsl-220-235-192-57.nsw.westnet.com.au [220.235.192.57]) by vscan03.westnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E14B6053E for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:26:14 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <436064F8.7040206@westnet.com.au> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:26:16 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: software list Subject: [softwarelist] printing page size Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In Windows Ovation Pro 2.75 I seem not to be able to get the printing page size correct and probably missing something simple. Every time I print it reports that printer area is bigger then size and will be cropped etc. despite the fact that the page is well within the grey displayed print area. I have played around and even reduced page area down to stamp size and still no go. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 27 14:44:40 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EV1BQ-0IbGPo-07-1O8d."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:44:40 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EV1BQ-0IbGPo-07-1O8d; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:24:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EV1BQ-0IbGPo-07; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:24:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EV1BP-00077y-Tx; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:24:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EV0SI-0004cG-9l; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:37:38 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EV19p-0001YP-SF for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:22:37 +0100 Received: from [203.10.1.131] (helo=vscan01.westnet.com.au) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EV19p-0001YG-1H for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:22:37 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B037606DF for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:22:35 +0800 (WST) Received: from vscan01.westnet.com.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (vscan01.westnet.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01145-12 for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:22:35 +0800 (WST) Received: from [10.1.1.2] (dsl-220-235-192-57.nsw.westnet.com.au [220.235.192.57]) by vscan01.westnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D637606CE for ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:22:34 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <4360722C.3040203@westnet.com.au> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:22:36 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: software list Subject: [softwarelist] Frame size Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I am relatively new to the PC world and having problems in getting Windows OP 2.75 to display the correct frame size on screen at present it is about 90% of the selected size, it prints correctly, so its my not understanding this beast!1 Sorry for being off topic. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 27 14:44:42 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EV2S1-2ohGPo-07-15p0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:44:42 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EV2S1-2ohGPo-07-15p0; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:45:29 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EV2S1-2ohGPo-07; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:45:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EV2S1-0003Tz-AU; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:45:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EV2Ry-0001A9-9y; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:45:26 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EV2QP-0005dA-0D for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:43:49 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.183] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EV2QO-0005cq-GP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:43:48 +0100 Received: from cpc4-cmbg4-5-1-cust3.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [86.8.105.3] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1EV2QN0CJQ-0006me; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:43:47 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:43:43 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6wT8w4Ett+XDFwK+@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.27a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="1937379805--555129357--909614899"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --1937379805--555129357--909614899 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > > Second, OvnPro doesn't always do this. Sometimes, it allows itself to= be > > minimised and/or the workspace to be changed. >=20 > That sounds like a clue to me. For example if you close all the palette= s > from the View -> Options menu can you minimise? Or can you minimise whe= n the > (flashing) caret is not active - i.e. text frame not selected. I think I might have sussed at least part of the problem. One of the trig= gers for not minimising is if the OvPro window think it's maximised to full sc= reen - in this case, it won't minimise but pops open again. What complicates t= his is that, in X-windows, you can reduce a window's size using the borders e= ven when it's maximised, which you can't to in Windows. That is, Windows has = 2 states - maximised and not maximised. X-Windows just thinks about the win= dow's size - there's no separate "maximised" state. Which means that OvPro can = think it's maximised (because it hasn't had a "don't maximise" button press) ev= en though it is a small window. It's not the whole problem, because OvPro sometimes won't minimise even w= hen not maximised, and the omnipresent palettes are a different issue, but th= is is one of the nasty issues. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --1937379805--555129357--909614899 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDYIUyp6M/P/S/JWgRAghdAJ9DboWp22TOCnPe7LWqy9pjywMxgACeNdY8 rDazeToM6w3JYK53Ef1iGLA= =QFgT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1937379805--555129357--909614899-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 27 14:44:45 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EV2e1-06MVbs-06-1E9W."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:44:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EV2e1-06MVbs-06-1E9W; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:57:53 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EV2e1-06MVbs-06; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:57:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EV2e0-0006vk-U1; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:57:53 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EV1ut-00051S-LY; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:11:15 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EV2cV-0008FC-6l for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:56:19 +0100 Received: from [193.111.201.127] (helo=lon-mail-3.gradwell.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EV2cU-0008Ez-RL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:56:18 +0100 Received: from magpieway.net ([213.162.112.164] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net ident=tony#pop3&vanderhoff^org) by lon-mail-3.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.198) id 43608821.f4c6.26 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:56:17 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:56:17 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6wT8w4Ett+XDFwK+@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) John Pettigrew wrote in message > In a previous message, David Pilling wrote: > > > > The pallettes are badly behaved - the main window, too, sometimes. I'm > > > still not sure that this is just an OvnPro problem but it's very > > > annoying (can effectively lock you to just one workspace because > > > OvnPro keeps popping back on its own workspace). > > > > The palletes should just be doing the usual Windows child-parent window > > thing. > > I think that there are two separate problems. > > First, the main window won't minimise - it immediately pops open again. > This manifests particularly annoyingly when changing to a different > workspace, because, when changing workspace, the apps on the first space > are effectively minimised. OvPro doesn't like this and immediately pops > itself up again, which causes the display to revert to the original > workspace. This makes it impossible to change workspace while OvPro is > running. (I assume that OvPro minimises happily when working under > Windows? Perhaps it's an issue of events that trigger a Restore under the > two systems.) > I'm not seeing that effect (KDE 3.4.0). Certainly the problem with OPro not minimising is there, but I can generally switch to another desktop (workspace), without the main window opening there. If the last action in OPro was to click in either the toolbox or the info pallette, then that will pop up in the new desktop. > Second, OvnPro doesn't always do this. Sometimes, it allows itself to be > minimised and/or the workspace to be changed. However, although the > toolbox and info palette are minimised along with the main window, they > don't disappear on a workspace change if OvPro has not been minimised. So, > they appear on every workspace, not just the one containing OvPro. > Yes, sometimes it will minimise. Haven't been able to reliably replicate it, yet. > This could be a wine bug - I've not run any Windows apps that use palettes > like this before. However, given that Photoshop is officially supported > and that makes extensive use of palettes, I'd have expected them to be > working. Unless you do it a completely different way to Adobe, of course > :-) > > The refusal to minimise is a serious issue, the omnipresent palettes less > so. The second problem could be worked around by minimising before > changing workspace - if OvPro would let me :-) > > > > One piece of good news, though - the font handling bug seems to have > > > vanished > > > > There has been a rewrite of enumerating fonts in the latest version of > > OPW, so not surprising, good news. > > I'd spotted that tidbit in the changelog, which was what gave me hope. > We're so nearly there that I can taste it! > > All we need to be able to do now is change that dreadful Windows interface > to something a bit more appealing (button sizes, interface font and size, > colour scheme), but that's not your problem :-) > I would like to see tooltips over the buttons... I'll try your other suggestions soon. Cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 27 14:44:48 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EV4Xc-3dmknw-05-1CFv."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:44:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EV4Xc-3dmknw-05-1CFv; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:59:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EV4Xc-3dmknw-05; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:59:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EV4Xc-0000DF-Id; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:59:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EV4ZG-0002B7-Gm; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:01:06 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EV4Vk-0006yK-W9 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:57:29 +0100 Received: from [193.111.201.130] (helo=lon-mail-4.gradwell.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EV4Vk-0006yC-DQ for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:57:28 +0100 Received: from magpieway.net ([213.162.112.164] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net ident=tony$pop3&vanderhoff^org) by lon-mail-4.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.198) id 4360a487.8f4a.119 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:57:27 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:57:26 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: [softwarelist] PDF documentation Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David, on http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/docs.html, the link to DavidPilling\Documentation\Pdf gives a 403/Forbidden error. Itake it this contains the whole lot in a zip file, or something. -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 27 14:54:25 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EV8CE-3jCknw-01-rYH."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:54:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EV8CE-3jCknw-01-rYH; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:53:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EV8CE-3jCknw-01; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:53:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EV8CE-0003ch-75; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:53:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EV8Dr-0003RX-M9; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:55:15 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EV8Aa-0006VU-MY for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:51:52 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EV8Aa-0006VM-9J for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:51:52 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EV8AY-000J3W-1h for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:51:50 +0000 Message-ID: <$iNdUrArsNYDFwjB@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:50:35 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PDF documentation References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >David, on http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/docs.html, the link to >DavidPilling\Documentation\Pdf gives a 403/Forbidden error. Itake it this >contains the whole lot in a zip file, or something. The web server does not support the display of directory contents. So that link works fine if you're running from CD, but does not work if you're using it over the web. It's a known problem, described on entry to the CD contents, and it is not serious because all the files are available from separate links or bundled into a zip file. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 27 15:04:25 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EV8FT-3zkknw-01-1H4a."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:04:25 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EV8FT-3zkknw-01-1H4a; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:56:56 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EV8FT-3zkknw-01; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:56:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EV8FT-0004w0-Pw; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:56:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EV7ME-0002Fu-Iu; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:59:50 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EV8Dp-0006vA-69 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:55:13 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EV8Do-0006v3-UM for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:55:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EV8Dn-000KBf-2x for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:55:12 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:54:03 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] printing page size References: <436064F8.7040206@westnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <436064F8.7040206@westnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >Every time I print it reports that printer area is bigger then size and >will be cropped etc. despite the fact that the page is well within the >grey displayed print area. Probably the simplest thing is to go to OPW print choices and turn off this warning. >I have played around and even reduced page area down to stamp size and >still no go. There is a distinction between the document page size and the size of what is on the page. So as long as a document has A4 page size, the warning is likely to be triggered, regardless of if there is a postage stamp size object on the page. The problem here is usually false warnings. Printers whose page area is just less than A4 and so on. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 27 15:04:26 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EV8Hu-3COknw-05-1Y5B."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:04:26 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EV8Hu-3COknw-05-1Y5B; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:59:27 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EV8Hu-3COknw-05; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:59:27 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EV8Hu-0004Kn-Jl; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:59:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EV8Ja-0004gT-3U; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:01:10 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EV8GU-0007Ge-Bf for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:57:58 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EV8GU-0007GZ-4f for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:57:58 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EV8GP-000Jwo-MN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:57:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:56:51 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Frame size References: <4360722C.3040203@westnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4360722C.3040203@westnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I am relatively new to the PC world and having problems in getting >Windows OP 2.75 to display the correct frame size on screen at present >it is about 90% of the selected size, it prints correctly, so its my >not understanding this beast!1 I don't really understand your comment, could you expand on it please. Are you saying that a frame (e.g.) 50mm in size does not appear 50mm in size on screen - i.e. if you put a ruler to the screen? If so, there are settings in Windows which let you change such things. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 27 23:24:48 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EVG5p-2EgGPo-05-1Hkk."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:24:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EVG5p-2EgGPo-05-1Hkk; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:19:30 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EVG5p-2EgGPo-05; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:19:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EVG5p-0006j5-DY; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:19:29 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EVFCV-0002io-6H; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:22:19 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EVG3j-00063k-LW for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:17:19 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.90] (helo=anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EVG3j-00063e-CU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:17:19 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EVG3i-000KbO-93 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:17:19 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:15:56 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] PDF documentation References: <$iNdUrArsNYDFwjB@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <$iNdUrArsNYDFwjB@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >The web server does not support the display of directory contents. So >that link works fine if you're running from CD, but does not work if >you're using it over the web. I've sorted this now (at last). I just needed a .htaccess file in the root folder of the CD on the web site. So one less thing to worry about 8-) -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Thu Oct 27 23:44:50 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EVGOp-2uXGPo-05-1PyG."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:44:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EVGOp-2uXGPo-05-1PyG; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:39:08 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EVGOp-2uXGPo-05; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:39:08 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EVGOp-0003BS-Lh; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:39:07 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EVGOe-0006hx-MP; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:38:56 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EVGMg-0001Dg-BB for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:36:54 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.177] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EVGMf-0001DP-Vb for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:36:54 +0100 Received: from cpc4-cmbg4-5-1-cust3.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [86.8.105.3] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1EVGMf1x24-0005vj; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:36:53 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:36:49 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> <6wT8w4Ett+XDFwK+@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.27a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="356129639--1367478096--2133870960"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --356129639--1367478096--2133870960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, John Pettigrew wrote: > I think I might have sussed at least part of the problem. Another possible clue - OvPro seems far more likely to pop up (almost eve= ry time) if the pasteboard is showing. If it's not showing, OvPro will (usua= lly) minimise happily. John --=20 John Pettigrew Headstrong Games=20 john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price=20 http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the ban= k=20 Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches y= ou!=20 --356129639--1367478096--2133870960 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDYVaFp6M/P/S/JWgRAjx9AJwNrX2J30vpCvyNP6NJoJTrEgSjYwCfYHpE zvBkXqnk8GROCGdFOOPFK38= =uuCW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --356129639--1367478096--2133870960-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 28 13:47:51 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EVNyU-3ogVbs-07-sp3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:47:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EVNyU-3ogVbs-07-sp3; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:44:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EVNyU-3ogVbs-07; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:44:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EVNyU-0005sF-7Q; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:44:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EVNyN-0006PX-AJ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:44:19 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EVNwR-0002ft-Jp for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:42:19 +0100 Received: from [203.10.1.142] (helo=vscan03.westnet.com.au) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EVNwQ-0002fK-SH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:42:19 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B7FB600C9 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:42:16 +0800 (WST) Received: from vscan03.westnet.com.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (vscan03.westnet.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30559-07-2 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:42:16 +0800 (WST) Received: from [10.1.1.2] (dsl-220-235-184-121.nsw.westnet.com.au [220.235.184.121]) by vscan03.westnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535FFB602A7 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:42:12 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <4361C846.3090604@westnet.com.au> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:42:14 +1000 From: Peter Prewett User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Frame size References: <4360722C.3040203@westnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Pilling wrote: >> I am relatively new to the PC world and having problems in getting >> Windows OP 2.75 to display the correct frame size on screen at >> present it is about 90% of the selected size, it prints correctly, so >> its my not understanding this beast!1 > > > I don't really understand your comment, could you expand on it please. > > Are you saying that a frame (e.g.) 50mm in size does not appear 50mm > in size on screen - i.e. if you put a ruler to the screen? > > If so, there are settings in Windows which let you change such things. > > Yes that is what I want the only way I can see is to change the screen resolution to 1152 X 864 I have not yet found another setting in Windows probably missed it in the bibles I have. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Tumut, New South Wales -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 28 13:48:11 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EVTX8-0Zg000-04-14JR."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:48:11 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EVTX8-0Zg000-04-14JR; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:40:34 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EVTX8-0Zg000-04; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:40:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EVTX7-0003nC-Vr; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:40:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EVSnr-0007Om-V7; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:53:47 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EVTU1-0002FF-Sh for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:37:21 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EVTU1-0002Es-A8 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:37:21 +0100 Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([194.222.220.137] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EVTTz-000Oom-MN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:37:21 +0000 Subject: [softwarelist] Removing effects, not styles. To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:37:33 +0100 Message-ID: <5b2decc04d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_10,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This has had me baffled for years... Say I apply an effect (a different font-size, perhaps) in OPro over a mass of text which already has many other effects (bold, italic, superscript, whatever), how do I remove just THAT applied effect, leaving the others in place?? In Impression it's easy, since all the applied effects in a selection are ticked in the Effects submenu, and UNticking any ticked item removes JUST that effect from that selection. In OPro, you can 'Remove local effects' in the 'Style' submenu - i.e. ALL of them - but I cannot find a way to remove individual applied effects. Is there a way?? Yes, I know all about it being good policy to apply only proper STYLES (which could then be Deleted), rather than Effects. Thanks for advice. Jeremy R. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Simple; elegant; productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 28 14:07:43 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EVTqQ-2G9000-01-1409."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:07:43 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EVTqQ-2G9000-01-1409; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:00:31 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EVTqQ-2G9000-01; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:00:31 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EVTqQ-0007IC-8g; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:00:30 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EVSwk-0000XU-OD; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:02:59 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EVToF-0005Pa-MU for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:58:15 +0100 Received: from [195.12.4.238] (helo=smtp01.altohiway.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EVToF-0005PR-DN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:58:15 +0100 Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9SCwBqF016935 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:58:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <5b2decc04d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Removing effects, not styles. MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:58:08 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > This has had me baffled for years... > > Say I apply an effect (a different font-size, perhaps) in OPro over a > mass of text which already has many other effects (bold, italic, > superscript, whatever), how do I remove just THAT applied effect, > leaving the others in place?? > Have you tried using the SRWE applet? Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 28 14:07:45 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EVTtB-1wo000-04-13xO."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:07:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EVTtB-1wo000-04-13xO; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:03:22 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EVTtB-1wo000-04; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:03:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EVTtB-0006O2-BX; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:03:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EVTt4-00057v-DO; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:03:14 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EVTrg-0005zb-GE for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:01:48 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EVTrg-0005zV-9v for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:01:48 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EVTrf-00029I-0A for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:01:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:00:40 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Removing effects, not styles. References: <5b2decc04d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5b2decc04d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >In OPro, you can 'Remove local effects' in the 'Style' submenu - i.e. >ALL of them - but I cannot find a way to remove individual applied >effects. >Is there a way?? I fear there is not. Things like bold can be toggled, however that is between bold and not-bold, I don't think you can set the third possibility of "don't affect bold state". -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 28 14:07:45 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EVTta-2SX000-02-1c33."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:07:45 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EVTta-2SX000-02-1c33; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:03:47 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EVTta-2SX000-02; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:03:47 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.32] (helo=smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EVTta-00016G-BM; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:03:46 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay03.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EVSuQ-0008VR-43; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:00:34 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EVTqT-0005lO-Ov for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:00:35 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EVTqQ-0005kO-Ln for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:00:31 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EVTqO-0001de-0U for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:00:29 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:58:57 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Frame size References: <4360722C.3040203@westnet.com.au> <4361C846.3090604@westnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4361C846.3090604@westnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Are you saying that a frame (e.g.) 50mm in size does not appear 50mm >>in size on screen - i.e. if you put a ruler to the screen? >Yes that is what I want the only way I can see is to change the screen >resolution to 1152 X 864 I have not yet found another setting in >Windows probably missed it in the bibles I have. Display properties->Settings->Advanced->DPI setting You get this by right clicking on the screen background. I presume you'd get things with the right dimensions by measuring your screens physical dimensions then dividing into the number of pixels to get the dpi value. The standard Windows values are 96dpi and 120dpi. Of those 96dpi is the most standard. I use 120dpi, and I do notice that some software won't work at that value. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 28 16:37:50 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EVWBY-2JUVbs-07-1Ii3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:37:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EVWBY-2JUVbs-07-1Ii3; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:30:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EVWBY-2JUVbs-07; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:30:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EVWBY-0004CH-6A; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:30:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EVVIA-0005fq-6X; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:33:14 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EVW9u-00044A-3Y for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:28:46 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EVW9t-00042g-V5 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:28:45 +0100 Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([194.222.220.137] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EVW9o-000PSy-AU for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:28:40 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Removing effects, not styles. To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:28:53 +0100 Message-ID: References: <5b2decc04d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message David Pilling wrote: >>In OPro, you can 'Remove local effects' in the 'Style' submenu - i.e. >>ALL of them - but I cannot find a way to remove individual applied >>effects. >>Is there a way?? > > I fear there is not. > > Things like bold can be toggled, however that is between bold and > not-bold, I don't think you can set the third possibility of "don't > affect bold state". Thanks, David: That confirms what I thought. I've managed what I wanted to do in this case, by monkeying around with the DDL from the file - deleting {} references to the 'textsize' concerned - and reimporting. Worked a treat! JR. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Simple; elegant; productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 28 16:37:51 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EVWBY-2cnVbs-04-11f1."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:37:51 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EVWBY-2cnVbs-04-11f1; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:30:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EVWBY-2cnVbs-04; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:30:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EVWBX-00025c-UX; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:30:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EVVIE-0005fm-Fx; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:33:18 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EVW9o-00042X-Jy for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:28:40 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.91] (helo=anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EVW9o-00042S-87 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:28:40 +0100 Received: from edencroft2.demon.co.uk ([194.222.220.137] helo=Jeremy) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EVW9n-000PSy-BN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:28:39 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Removing effects, not styles. To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Jeremy Roberts X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:25:51 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Eden Croft User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message Andy.Ling@Quantel.Com wrote: >> This has had me baffled for years... >> >> Say I apply an effect (a different font-size, perhaps) in OPro over a >> mass of text which already has many other effects (bold, italic, >> superscript, whatever), how do I remove just THAT applied effect, >> leaving the others in place?? >> > > Have you tried using the SRWE applet? > > Andy Ling Thanks for this, Andy - I've just had a look at SRWE, but am unfamiliar with it. I can see how to remove a style which is listed in the 'Styles' menu, but I don't know how to specify an EFFECT I've applied - when it's only the existing styles which are mentioned in the drop-down menu. Is there a way of specifying that SRWE should search for - say - a font-size I've applied over part or all of the text? Then it would do what I want! Cheers, JR. -- Jeremy Roberts Ahhhhh... RISC OS and the Iyonix: Simple; elegant; productive - AND a no-M$oft zone! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 28 17:47:48 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EVXHq-0X2000-01-1Q8H."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:47:48 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EVXHq-0X2000-01-1Q8H; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:41:03 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EVXHq-0X2000-01; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:41:03 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EVXHq-0004Oe-JL; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:41:02 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EVWYj-00068a-Eb; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:54:25 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EVXFx-0008Ji-NJ for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:39:05 +0100 Received: from [195.12.4.238] (helo=smtp01.altohiway.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EVXFx-0008Ij-Fr for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:39:05 +0100 Received: from websrv.quantel.com (quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.20.34] (may be forged)) by smtp01.altohiway.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9SGctor001194 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:38:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Removing effects, not styles. MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:38:52 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >> Say I apply an effect (a different font-size, perhaps) in OPro over a > >> mass of text which already has many other effects (bold, italic, > >> superscript, whatever), how do I remove just THAT applied effect, > >> leaving the others in place?? > >> > > > > Have you tried using the SRWE applet? > > > > Andy Ling > > Thanks for this, Andy - > > I've just had a look at SRWE, but am unfamiliar with it. > > Is there a way of specifying that SRWE should search for - say - a > font-size I've applied over part or all of the text? Then it would do > what I want! > I don't think so. A font size change is not considered and "effect" only things like bold, italic and underline. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 28 18:17:50 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EVXoQ-3Ro000-03-18Yf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:17:50 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EVXoQ-3Ro000-03-18Yf; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:14:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EVXoQ-3Ro000-03; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:14:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EVXoQ-00037y-PS; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:14:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EVWuj-0000cp-Ax; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:17:09 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EVXmh-0003kv-32 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:12:55 +0100 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EVXmg-0003kl-PC for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:12:54 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EVXgg-000NIt-HG for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:06:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:11:39 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: [softwarelist] Windows XP 64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I've just installed the 64 bit version of Windows... All my software (which is 32 bit) will install to the wrong place by default. The installers will offer C:\Program Files. For 32 bit software running on XP 64 the correct location is: C:\Program Files(x86) I'll be redoing everything soon. Another thing of interest. I installed MS Office 97, and this completely trashed the installation of XP 64. I suspect the culprit was MS Publisher. So another reason to use Ovation Pro. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 28 19:47:54 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EVZBR-3C6knw-03-1OEg."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:47:54 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EVZBR-3C6knw-03-1OEg; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:42:33 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EVZBR-3C6knw-03; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:42:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EVZBR-0006RY-1W; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:42:33 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EVZDG-0001R8-UN; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:44:26 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EVZ9I-0007Vf-Uj for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:40:20 +0100 Received: from [62.241.163.7] (helo=blaster.systems.pipex.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EVZ9I-0007Va-L0 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:40:20 +0100 Received: from MARSDEN9.btinternet.com (81-86-166-106.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.166.106]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B3DE00004F for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:40:20 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <6.0.3.0.2.20051028193420.01dc88f0@mail.btinternet.com> X-Sender: phillip.marsden@mail.btinternet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.3.0 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:37:54 +0100 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Phillip Marsden Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Windows XP 64 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-78082830 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At 18:11 28/10/2005, David Pilling wrote: >Hi, > >I've just installed the 64 bit version of Windows... > >[snip] > >Another thing of interest. I installed MS Office 97, and this completely >trashed the installation of XP 64. I suspect the culprit was MS Publisher. That does not surprise me. I recently installed Publisher 97 and then upgraded it with Publisher 98 (all on 32-bit XP). The result was a mess. Fortunately I had done this on a spare machine and I was able to recover by wiping the disk. I have not seen anything like this before in years of installing Microsoft and other Windows applications. -- Regards, Phillip Marsden. phillip.marsden@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/150 - Release Date: 27/10/2005 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Fri Oct 28 21:38:00 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EVaz7-41YVbs-08-1MR0."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:38:00 +0100 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EVaz7-41YVbs-08-1MR0; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:37:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EVaz7-41YVbs-08; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:37:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EVaz7-0005BC-Au; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:37:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EVaz2-0000Yz-KX; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:37:52 +0100 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EVaxB-0003op-Th for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:35:57 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.188] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EVaxB-0003oU-Cw for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:35:57 +0100 Received: from b-180-24-74.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.24.74] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1EVaxA1QVo-0006Q7; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:35:56 +0200 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Frame size To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:36:23 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4360722C.3040203@westnet.com.au> <4361C846.3090604@westnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <4361C846.3090604@westnet.com.au> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4361C846.3090604@westnet.com.au> Peter Prewett wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > >>> I am relatively new to the PC world and having problems in getting >>> Windows OP 2.75 to display the correct frame size on screen at >>> present it is about 90% of the selected size, it prints correctly, so >>> its my not understanding this beast!1 >> >> Are you saying that a frame (e.g.) 50mm in size does not appear 50mm >> in size on screen - i.e. if you put a ruler to the screen? >> >> If so, there are settings in Windows which let you change such things. >> > Yes that is what I want the only way I can see is to change the screen > resolution to 1152 X 864 I have not yet found another setting in Windows > probably missed it in the bibles I have. There is a much easier solution. First of all, it should be obvious that even if your system and OP got this absolutely right out of the box (which is very unlikely for various reasons) you would still not get the right size if you scaled the document up to, say, 200%. Of course, you would not expect this because you would expect it to be twice the size. However, what is in a number? There is *some* document scaling percentage (possibly different from 100%, but so what?) at which the monitor you have shows things at the exact size, so rather than messing about with operating system dpi settings etc. (which you cannot do under RISC OS, for instance, and which can have funny side effects on other systems), all you need to do is to set the display scaling to that value and everything is perfect. If you set it in your default document, it will be applied to new documents. Martin -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 2 16:58:01 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EWiKA-18rknw-08-1Tob."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:58:01 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWiKA-18rknw-08-1Tob; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:40:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWiKA-18rknw-08; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:40:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWiKA-0003Ug-JM; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:40:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWhaz-0005qG-Hz; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:53:37 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWiI4-0007ih-Uv for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:38:09 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWiI4-0007ic-Qe for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:38:08 +0000 Received: from 212-229-244-33.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.244.33] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EWiBc-0003ku-4J for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:31:29 +0000 Message-ID: <008c01c5de6b$c6d8efa0$21f4e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:31:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Major bummer -- OPro under wine crashes when trying to print. David, Does > the following mean anything to you? No. It is hard to make much sense out of any crash report on a release version. I could do by prior arrangement, i.e. if I had a map for the release version. (I'm still struggling with that error report last week about the version applet). David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 2 16:58:07 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EWiKA-3cm000-04-14F3."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:58:07 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWiKA-3cm000-04-14F3; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:40:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWiKA-3cm000-04; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:40:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWiKA-0000Lp-JY; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:40:18 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWhQM-0003wO-KN; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:42:38 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWiI3-0007iS-V7 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:38:07 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.89] (helo=anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWiI3-0007hy-KN for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:38:07 +0000 Received: from 212-229-244-33.rev.dcfb.demon.com ([212.229.244.33] helo=mypc2) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EWiBb-0003ku-3f for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:31:27 +0000 Message-ID: <008b01c5de6b$c623d070$21f4e5d4@mypc2> From: "David Pilling" To: References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:30:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.3790.1830 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >One annoyance about printing, though - OvPro doesn't pick up the printer >list >properly. That's a bit disapointing. There was a lot of messing about with this in the past - different versions of Windows doing things differently. Finally I enumerated printers the "proper" way. David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 2 16:58:27 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EWuUc-2wAVbs-01-1QAf."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:58:27 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWuUc-2wAVbs-01-1QAf; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:39:55 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWuUc-2wAVbs-01; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:39:55 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWuUc-0005Ct-KN; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:39:54 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWtlN-0001CG-At; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 10:53:09 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWuSX-0005uu-Hq for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:37:45 +0000 Received: from [64.4.61.11] (helo=hotmail.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWuSW-0005uZ-QK for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:37:45 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 03:37:43 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:37:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.249.130.70] X-Originating-Email: [angelacraggs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: angelacraggs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <003d01c5d8e5$360f4d10$16f4e5d4@mypc> From: "Angela Craggs" To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Bcc: Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Ovation Pro Windows CD update Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:37:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2005 11:37:43.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC2957E0:01C5DED8] Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_20,IN_REP_TO,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_2 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Just a thank you to David for the upgrade which means I can now use OvPro with my Modern Greek fonts. Back to using my program of choice - hurrah! Thanks again for such a swift response to my problem Angela Craggs -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 2 16:58:51 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EX4Ie-03ZGPo-01-17q7."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:58:51 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EX4Ie-03ZGPo-01-17q7; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:08:13 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EX4Ie-03ZGPo-01; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:08:13 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EX4Ie-0003Ph-LW; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:08:12 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EX3Oc-0000FZ-9S; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:10:18 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EX4GL-0008Tk-OS for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:05:49 +0000 Received: from [212.74.114.37] (helo=mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EX4GL-0008Te-Cr for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:05:49 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 01 Nov 2005 22:05:49 +0000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Received: from 88-105-177-34.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.177.34]:10036 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EX4Dv-0003dt-Aj for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:03:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:05:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Windows OvPro Message-ID: <4dc32f7f08dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) My C: drive was giving up, so I replaced it today, and reinstalled Windows XP, what fun... Not. I've reinstalled Ovation Pro from the CD, but it will not run, insisting "This version of the program is now out of date" Consequently I can't enter my Key. Please... How do I get out of this sticky mess? Cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 2 16:59:05 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EXC5u-2KPVbs-07-18ZN."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:59:05 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EXC5u-2KPVbs-07-18ZN; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 06:27:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EXC5u-2KPVbs-07; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 06:27:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EXC5u-0005Lx-JF; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 06:27:34 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EXC8A-0005gk-34; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 06:29:54 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EXC3P-0000EL-0U for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 06:24:59 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.213] (helo=ptb-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EXC3O-0000EB-JI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 06:24:58 +0000 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by ptb-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EXC3O-0002YU-5Q for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 06:24:58 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Windows OvPro To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 06:25:07 GMT Message-ID: <6c425dc34d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <4dc32f7f08dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4dc32f7f08dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In message <4dc32f7f08dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > My C: drive was giving up, so I replaced it today, and reinstalled Windows > XP, what fun... Not. > > I've reinstalled Ovation Pro from the CD, but it will not run, insisting > "This version of the program is now out of date" > > Consequently I can't enter my Key. > > Please... How do I get out of this sticky mess? Either wait for a few minutes for the error window to close... OR Download the latest version (2.75 - 22 Oct 2005) of OvPro from: http://www.davidpilling.info/cd/DavidPilling/OvationPro/InstallOvnPro.exe -- Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 2 18:37:54 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EXNNr-00aknw-07-oku."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:37:54 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EXNNr-00aknw-07-oku; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:30:52 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EXNNr-00aknw-07; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:30:52 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EXNNr-0001QY-JJ; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:30:51 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EXMTl-0002Y2-Fv; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:32:53 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EXNMI-0007lC-7t for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:29:14 +0000 Received: from [193.111.201.126] (helo=lon-mail-2.gradwell.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EXNMH-0007l5-Rm for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:29:13 +0000 Received: from magpieway.net ([213.162.112.164] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net ident=tony&pop3#vanderhoff#org) by lon-mail-2.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.198) id 43690579.cc23.1fbb for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:29:13 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:29:12 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Tony van der Hoff wrote in message > John Pettigrew wrote in message > > > > In a previous message, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > > > Major bummer -- OPro under wine crashes when trying to print. > > > > Doesn't here. Must be something about either your setup or the doc > > itself. > > > Not the doc. I created a very simple new doc, using OPW. As for the setup, > well, that's why I sent the stack dump, hoping David might be able to > point at some crucial item I've missed. > Problem solved :-) After posting in the wine-users list, it turned out that I'd built wine without cups support. Re-built, now it prints OK! Cheers, -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 2 18:37:55 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EXNT7-15Qknw-01-1dok."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:37:55 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EXNT7-15Qknw-01-1dok; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:36:19 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EXNT7-15Qknw-01; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:36:19 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EXNT7-0001eE-LV; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:36:17 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EXMZD-0001NU-Ij; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 17:38:31 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EXNRH-00013B-5R for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:34:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.85] (helo=anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EXNRG-000136-Uy for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:34:22 +0000 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([62.49.20.172]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EXNLA-000C1n-Gd for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:28:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:33:14 +0000 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: David Pilling Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Windows OvPro References: <4dc32f7f08dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4dc32f7f08dfs@ukgateway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.02-S (<4T+r1rR+bkVQqNpwE9H6P2XkEQ>) Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_LONG_SPARSE, USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >I've reinstalled Ovation Pro from the CD, but it will not run, insisting >"This version of the program is now out of date" Hmm. There are various timeouts on Ovation Pro. Copies off the web site have an absolute time out - a day/time beyond which they will not run at all. In addition to that beyond another day/time they will ask for registration details and if you don't provide them, there is a pause which gets longer the more past the day/time you are. Copies on CD should not have these timeouts - at least not the absolute one, because as you've found you're stuck in that case. However it is easy to get around these problems. First method (and by far the best) get the latest version off the web site. Second method (if you're cut off from the 'net) set the clock on your PC back a year or two, install, run, enter reg. code, put the clock right. If you mess with the clock the thing to be careful about is not doing anything with the clock wrong - e.g. sending emails. -- David Pilling email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.davidpilling.net post: David Pilling P.O. Box 22 Thornton Cleveleys Blackpool. FY5 1LR UK fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net From owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Wed Nov 2 21:38:03 2005 Received: from 127.0.0.1 by pilling.demon.co.uk with POP3 id <1EXQAQ-2JdVbs-07-1Sav."pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> for <"pilling:pop3.demon.co.uk"@127.0.0.1> ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:38:03 +0000 Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EXQAQ-2JdVbs-07-1Sav; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:29:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EXQAQ-2JdVbs-07; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:29:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EXQAQ-0005zS-Ii; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:29:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EXPGR-0000x4-1B; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:31:19 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EXQ8m-0007Gq-0A for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:27:28 +0000 Received: from [212.74.114.32] (helo=mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EXQ8l-0007Gh-Lq for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:27:27 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2005 21:27:27 +0000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Received: from 88-105-179-47.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.105.179.47]:10293 helo=dave.nom) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EXQ6K-0004V4-Sp for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:24:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 19:25:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Windows OvPro Message-ID: <4dc3a4aaa2dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <4dc32f7f08dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.39) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist: softwarelist X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_01,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,USER_AGENT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) In article , David Pilling wrote: > >I've reinstalled Ovation Pro from the CD, but it will not run, insisting > >"This version of the program is now out of date" > Hmm. > There are various timeouts on Ovation Pro. Copies off the web site have > an absolute time out - a day/time beyond which they will not run at all. > In addition to that beyond another day/time they will ask for > registration details and if you don't provide them, there is a pause > which gets longer the more past the day/time you are. > Copies on CD should not have these timeouts - at least not the absolute > one, because as you've found you're stuck in that case. > However it is easy to get around these problems. > First method (and by far the best) get the latest version off the web > site. > Second method (if you're cut off from the 'net) set the clock on your PC > back a year or two, install, run, enter reg. code, put the clock right. > If you mess with the clock the thing to be careful about is not doing > anything with the clock wrong - e.g. sending emails. Thanks to you both. I downloaded the latest version and am now back in action. cheers Dave S -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWBND-2wZVbs-04-m2u; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:29:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.72] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWBND-2wZVbs-04; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:29:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWBN8-0006Z9-VK; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:29:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWBP6-0001Dp-A9; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:31:12 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWBL3-0001Bu-Dr for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:27:01 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.86] (helo=anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWBL3-0001Bj-1C for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:27:01 +0000 Received: from cumbrian.demon.co.uk ([62.49.24.36] helo=riscpc.cumbrian.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EWBL2-000NHq-LY for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:27:00 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Windows XP 64 To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Chris Hughes X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:04:32 +0100 Message-ID: <0feca3c14d.chris@cumbrian.demon.co.uk> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20051028193420.01dc88f0@mail.btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20051028193420.01dc88f0@mail.btinternet.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10S) (RISC-OS/4.39) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist:softwarelist In message <6.0.3.0.2.20051028193420.01dc88f0@mail.btinternet.com> Phillip Marsden wrote: > At 18:11 28/10/2005, David Pilling wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>I’ve just installed the 64 bit version of Windows... >> >>[snip] >> >>Another thing of interest. I installed MS Office 97, and this completely >>trashed the installation of XP 64. I suspect the culprit was MS Publisher. > > That does not surprise me. I recently installed Publisher 97 and then > upgraded it with Publisher 98 (all on 32-bit XP). The result was a mess. > Fortunately I had done this on a spare machine and I was able to recover by > wiping the disk. I have not seen anything like this before in years of > installing Microsoft and other Windows applications. > Unfortunately I have, I see this sort of problem almost daily, wonderful fun between versions for instance of Office 2003 Std and Pro (which includes Publisher 2003) the why they are licenced means they are not compatible normally. Lots of other example too numerous to mention here. — Chris Hughes — To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWCC5-3q0Vbs-07-1Rqc; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:21:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWCC5-3q0Vbs-07; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:21:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWCC5-0002BW-Bj; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:21:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWCBr-0005ib-Ek; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:21:35 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWC9f-0007bR-0q for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:19:19 +0000 Received: from [193.111.201.127] (helo=lon-mail-3.gradwell.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWC9e-0007bK-LH for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:19:18 +0000 Received: from magpieway.net ([213.162.112.164] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net ident=tony$pop3$vanderhoff#org) by lon-mail-3.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.198) id 4364ba45.10251.34 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:19:17 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:19:16 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist:softwarelist David Pilling wrote in message > >So, David, here is the challenge: If you have got your Linux box working, > >and are able to commit a bit of time to fixing the worst of the bugs (5,6,7 > > Thanks for all that. I will investigate. One motivation is that it > sounds like you’ve found some things that are wrong on Windows too. > [snip] Major bummer — OPro under wine crashes when trying to print. David, Does the following mean anything to you? wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0009), starting debugger... WineDbg starting on pid 0x8 Unhandled exception: page fault on read access to 0x00000004 in 32-bit code (0x00509fe3). In 32 bit mode. Register dump: CS:0073 SS:007b DS:007b ES:007b FS:003b GS:0033 EIP:00509fe3 ESP:7badecd0 EBP:7badee94 EFLAGS:00210246( - 00 -RIZP1) EAX:00000000 EBX:7b8d6624 ECX:000ccd90 EDX:00000000 ESI:7b1182fc EDI:7b124b88 Stack dump: 0x7badecd0: 0002009e 00000111 000ccd90 7b124a38 0x7badece0: 00090a3a 00000001 00000001 00010000 0x7badecf0: 00010000 00000000 00000000 00000000 0x7baded00: 00000000 0009154c 000cd8a2 00000000 0x7baded10: 00000001 000500c0 00000001 6f742031 0x7baded20: 00003120 00000000 00000000 00000000 Backtrace: =>1 0x00509fe3 in ovnpro (+0x109fe3) (0x7badee94) 2 0x00509bd7 in ovnpro (+0x109bd7) (0x7badeeb4) 3 0x005030d4 in ovnpro (+0x1030d4) (0x7badeed0) 4 0x0056bf88 in ovnpro (+0x16bf88) (0x7badef38) 5 0x0054f713 in ovnpro (+0x14f713) (0x7badef60) 6 0x00550745 in ovnpro (+0x150745) (0x7badef8c) 7 0x00550613 in ovnpro (+0x150613) (0x7badefcc) 8 0x0054e6cf ?addcaretevent@@YAPAUos_error@@P6APAU1@HHH@ZHH@Z in ovnpro (0x7badf008) 9 0x7b8b4bb7 WINPROC_wrapper in user32 (0x7badf02c) 10 0x7b8b4fd8 WINPROC_CallWndProc(msg=0x111, wParam=0x1, lParam=0x100a4) [/home/tony/shared/work/wine_home/wine-0.9/dlls/user/winproc.c:417] in user32 (0x7badf05c) 11 0x7b8ba455 CallWindowProcW(func=0x7b915082, hwnd=0x2009e, msg=0x111, wParam=0x1, lParam=0x100a4) [/home/tony/shared/work/wine_home/wine-0.9/dlls/user/winproc.c:3093] in user32 (0x7badf540) 12 0x7b88c4d9 call_window_proc+0xb9(wparam=0x1, lparam=0x100a4, unicode=0x1, same_thread=0x1) [/home/tony/shared/work/wine_home/wine-0.9/dlls/user/message.c:1515] in user32 (0x7badf5a0) 13 0x7b88c8e2 SendMessageTimeoutW+0x142(hwnd=0x2009e, msg=0x111, wparam=0x1, lparam=0x100a4, flags=0x0, timeout=0x0, res_ptr=0x7badf620) [/home/tony/shared/work/wine_home/wine-0.9/dlls/user/message.c:2349] in user32 (0x7badf5fc) 14 0x7b88c925 SendMessageW(hwnd=0x2009e, msg=0x111, wparam=0x1, lparam=0x100a4) [/home/tony/shared/work/wine_home/wine-0.9/dlls/user/message.c:2430] in user32 (0x7badf628) 15 0x7b84c46f ButtonWndProc_common(wParam=0x0, lParam=0x90007, unicode=0x0) [/home/tony/shared/work/wine_home/wine-0.9/dlls/user/button.c:456] in user32 (0x7badf718) 16 0x7b84cc84 ButtonWndProcA+0x44(hWnd=0x100a4, uMsg=0x202, wParam=0x0, lParam=0x90007) [/home/tony/shared/work/wine_home/wine-0.9/dlls/user/button.c:552] in user32 (0x7badf734) 17 0x7b8b4bb7 WINPROC_wrapper in user32 (0x7badf758) 18 0x7b8b4fd8 WINPROC_CallWndProc(msg=0x202, wParam=0x0, lParam=0x90007) [/home/tony/shared/work/wine_home/wine-0.9/dlls/user/winproc.c:417] in user32 (0x7badf788) 19 0x7b8ba455 CallWindowProcW(func=0x7b914df4, hwnd=0x100a4, msg=0x202, wParam=0x0, lParam=0x90007) [/home/tony/shared/work/wine_home/wine-0.9/dlls/user/winproc.c:3093] in user32 (0x7badfc6c) 20 0x7b891896 DispatchMessageW+0xf6(msg=0x7badfe00) [/home/tony/shared/work/wine_home/wine-0.9/dlls/user/message.c:2981] in user32 (0x7badfcac) 21 0x7b864026 IsDialogMessageW+0xe6(hwndDlg=0x2009e, msg=0x7badfe00) [/home/tony/shared/work/wine_home/wine-0.9/dlls/user/dialog.c:1191] in user32 (0x7badfdf0) 22 0x7b8914a5 IsDialogMessageA(hwndDlg=0x2009e, pmsg=0x7badfe54) [/home/tony/shared/work/wine_home/wine-0.9/dlls/user/message.c:2818] in user32 (0x7badfe28) 23 0x00552454 in ovnpro (+0x152454) (0x7badfe44) 24 0x00552194 in ovnpro (+0x152194) (0x7badfe78) 25 0x00563bfc in ovnpro (+0x163bfc) (0x7badfe80) 26 0x0042d66a in ovnpro (+0x2d66a) (0x7badfe8c) 27 0x005825c6 in ovnpro (+0x1825c6) (0x7badfea0) 28 0x0053d4e9 EntryPoint in ovnpro (0x7badff2c) 29 0x7bb9c236 start_process(arg=0x0) [/home/tony/shared/work/wine_home/wine-0.9/dlls/kernel/process.c:992] in kernel32 (0x7badfff4) 30 0xb7fbe9b1 wine_switch_to_stack+0x11 in libwine.so.1 (0x00000000) 0x00509fe3: cmpl 0x4(%eax),%ecx Modules: Module Address Debug info Name (79 modules) PE 0x00400000-00652000 Export ovnpro PE 0x10000000-10004000 Deferred acc PE 0x7aed0000-7aede000 Deferred optwain PE 0x7aee0000-7aee4000 Deferred textpal PE 0x7aef0000-7aef4000 Deferred stylepal PE 0x7af00000-7af04000 Deferred srwe PE 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ld-linux.so.2 Threads: process tid prio (all id:s are in hex) 00000008 (D) C:\Program Files\DavidPilling\OvationPro\OvnPro.exe 00000009 0 <== WineDbg terminated on pid 0x8 — Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England — To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWIUe-2m3knw-03-1D1X; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:05:24 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWIUe-2m3knw-03; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:05:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWIUe-00068Y-3S; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:05:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 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Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist:softwarelist I have a HP ColorLaserJet 2550n connected to my network. I drive it with my own RemotePrinterFS and use the standard PostScript printer definition file and GimpPrint’s PostScript printer definition file for it. However, when printing large bitmaps (where large is in the latest case a bitmap which is around 7 MB in Sprite format) printing is troublesome. This happens from DPSS and from Ovation Pro. With the PostScript printer definition file, printing doesn’t work at all (data is sent for a while but then the printer displays an error code). With the GimpPrint PostScript printer definition file, it works, but it takes ages (10 to 15 minutes). The printer has 64 MB of RAM installed (which I think should be plenty) and the printing computer is a Iyonix. I’m not sure whether this is to be expected. Printing the same data from my GNU/Linux box doesn’t show those problems. So, I’m not sure which part of the printing tool chain is responsible for those problems. Printing smaller printouts works without any problems and reasonably quick. — Stefan Bellon — To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWIlq-2OAknw-04-1CkL; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:23:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWIlq-2OAknw-04; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:23:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWIlq-0000cp-HP; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:23:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWI2c-0007Yg-9o; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:36:26 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWIjE-00052I-8f for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:20:28 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.188] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWIjD-00052D-V7 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:20:28 +0000 Received: from cpc4-cmbg4-5-1-cust3.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [86.8.105.3] (helo=linux.at.home) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1EWIjD1AXR-0004Dq; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:20:27 +0100 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:20:20 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Gemini/2.27a (Qt/3.3.1) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=”1413409207—1323983794—154433597”; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol=”application/pgp-signature” X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e57c3e1a4e3b0a42ebfd9b8d18fc39cc Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist:softwarelist —1413409207—1323983794—154433597 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a previous message, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Major bummer — OPro under wine crashes when trying to print. Doesn’t here. Must be something about either your setup or the doc itself= . One annoyance about printing, though - OvPro doesn’t pick up the printer = list properly. That is, if I click next to the default printer to bring up a p= opup (or, at least, it looks like that’s what should happen), I don’t get anyt= hing. Which means I can only use the default printer. 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[...] > > However, when printing large bitmaps (where large is in the latest case > a bitmap which is around 7 MB in Sprite format) printing is > troublesome. This happens from DPSS and from Ovation Pro. You could try printing from Draw. If you see the same problem there, it should be clear that it has nothing to do with OP and DPSS (which I suspect). > With the PostScript printer definition file, printing doesn’t work at > all (data is sent for a while but then the printer displays an error > code). Which may well be an error saying that it has run out of memory... > With the GimpPrint PostScript printer definition file, it works, > but it takes ages (10 to 15 minutes). The Gimp-Print PostScript printer definition file causes a raster representation of the page to be sent. This representation is at the resolution *you* choose. You did not tell us which one you chose but it might be lower than the resolution of the bitmap you are trying to print. How big are the PostScript files for either alternative? > The printer has 64 MB of RAM installed (which I think should be plenty) Well, for a colour laser it is not that much. Let us assume it prints at 300dpi, then the raster information for the page itself can be as much as 32MB. Add to that the space required to store the PostScript file and extra memory to process it and you quickly run out of memory. The RISC OS PostScript driver does not compress bitmaps, so the resulting PostScript files tend to be bigger than from other platforms, which can make a difference. Martin — ——————————————————————————————————- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com ——————————————————————————————————- — To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWK6L-0ZYVbs-03-1JwM; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:48:25 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWK6L-0ZYVbs-03; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:48:25 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWK6K-00065I-SN; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:48:24 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWJCj-0001vM-4m; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:50:57 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWK3f-0003ag-9u for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:45:39 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.88] (helo=anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWK3f-0003aV-0T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:45:39 +0000 Received: from charleshope.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.79] helo=iyonix) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EWK3e-000CTv-1a for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:45:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: charles To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:35:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Printing large bitmaps fails Message-ID: <4dc21fa35dcharles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3a8f1ac24d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4dc2172fa8sbellon@sbellon.de> <3a8f1ac24d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.10) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist:softwarelist In article <3a8f1ac24d.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4dc2172fa8sbellon@sbellon.de> > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > The printer has 64 MB of RAM installed (which I think should be plenty) > Well, for a colour laser it is not that much. I am advised by R-Comp that, to print colour at A3 via Uniprint, my Windows machine should ideally have 1GB of memory! — From KT24 - in “leafy” Surrey Using a RISC OS5 computer — To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWVCF-3Bnknw-04-1HMy; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:39:16 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWVCF-3Bnknw-04; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:39:16 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.34] (helo=smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWVCF-0005Qf-BH; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:39:15 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay05.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWVEM-0007f8-G2; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:41:26 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWVAY-0003ks-Oj for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:37:30 +0000 Received: from [84.156.245.14] (helo=roma.localnet) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWVAY-0003kn-AP for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:37:30 +0000 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.106] helo=veni) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1EWVAU-0000v7-00 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:37:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:37:54 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing large bitmaps fails Message-ID: <4dc261be58sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <3a8f1ac24d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4dc2172fa8sbellon@sbellon.de> <3a8f1ac24d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist:softwarelist Martin Wuerthner wrote: > In message <4dc2172fa8sbellon@sbellon.de> > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > However, when printing large bitmaps (where large is in the latest > > case a bitmap which is around 7 MB in Sprite format) printing is > > troublesome. This happens from DPSS and from Ovation Pro. > You could try printing from Draw. If you see the same problem there, > it should be clear that it has nothing to do with OP and DPSS (which > I suspect). Right, it doesn’t work from Draw either. > > With the PostScript printer definition file, printing doesn’t work > > at all (data is sent for a while but then the printer displays an > > error code). > Which may well be an error saying that it has run out of memory... The error code that appears is not the one for out of memory but that of an internal assertion failure. :-} > > With the GimpPrint PostScript printer definition file, it works, > > but it takes ages (10 to 15 minutes). > The Gimp-Print PostScript printer definition file causes a raster > representation of the page to be sent. This representation is at the > resolution *you* choose. You did not tell us which one you chose but > it might be lower than the resolution of the bitmap you are trying to > print. Yes, sorry, that’s because I think it doesn’t have an influence on the behaviour I’m seeing. The bitmap is a scanned DIN A6 leaflet which was scanned with 600 dpi and then zoomed to 200%, resulting in 300 dpi regarding DIN A4. The GimpPrint driver is set to 300 dpi as well. > How big are the PostScript files for either alternative? Generic PostScript: 4 MB GimpPrint PostScript: 26 MB That’s unexpected! Now it’s evident why GimpPrint takes so long, but I’m still not sure why the generic PostScript does not work at all. But I doubt it’s an out of memory issue: As the 26 MB file is printed ok (just takes ages), I doubt it’s the size. There must be something inside the file which is confusing the printer, I think. — Stefan Bellon — To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWVRu-4L4knw-01-1H7J; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:55:26 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWVRu-4L4knw-01; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:55:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWVRu-00008a-8O; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:55:26 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWUYC-00032g-Ql; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:57:52 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWVPp-0005Pp-HD for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:53:17 +0000 Received: from [84.156.245.14] (helo=roma.localnet) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWVPp-0005Pg-43 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:53:17 +0000 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.106] helo=veni) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1EWVPo-00013V-00 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:53:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:53:11 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing large bitmaps fails Message-ID: <4dc26324cbsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4dc261be58sbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4dc2172fa8sbellon@sbellon.de> <3a8f1ac24d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4dc261be58sbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist:softwarelist Stefan Bellon wrote: > But I doubt it’s an out of memory issue: As the 26 MB file is printed > ok (just takes ages), I doubt it’s the size. There must be something > inside the file which is confusing the printer, I think. I just tried to load the 4 MB file into RiScript. After rendering about half of the page, it crashed with an “stack overflow” error. — Stefan Bellon — To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWW17-0hlVbs-07-1GY6; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:31:50 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWW17-0hlVbs-07; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:31:50 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWW17-0004Xk-LI; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:31:49 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWW17-0002XG-5A; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:31:49 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWVyz-000166-Hh for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:29:37 +0000 Received: from [81.187.81.51] (helo=smtp.aaisp.net.uk) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWVyz-00015z-67 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:29:37 +0000 Received: from [81.2.82.47] (helo=Art) by smtp.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWVyy-00037G-PC for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:29:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Gavin Crawford To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:29:05 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing large bitmaps fails Message-ID: <4dc2666ddegav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dc26324cbsbellon@sbellon.de> References: <4dc2172fa8sbellon@sbellon.de> <3a8f1ac24d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4dc261be58sbellon@sbellon.de> <4dc26324cbsbellon@sbellon.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.05 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist:softwarelist In article <4dc26324cbsbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > But I doubt it’s an out of memory issue: As the 26 MB file is printed > > ok (just takes ages), I doubt it’s the size. There must be something > > inside the file which is confusing the printer, I think. > I just tried to load the 4 MB file into RiScript. After rendering about > half of the page, it crashed with an “stack overflow” error. Is the Sprite less than 8bit (256 colours). If so then it will be chopped into many smaller bitmap images by the RISC OS postscript driver. Even though the final file size is much smaller than the GimpPrint output, all the small individual bitmaps can be exhausting the printers memory. Try converting the sprite to 24bit or a JPEG, and see if that works any better. — Gavin Crawford email: gav@crawford-print.co.uk web: www.crawford-print.co.uk — To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWWc2-3HRVbs-07-1OTh; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:09:58 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.211] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWWc2-3HRVbs-07; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:09:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWWc1-0000XJ-Pb; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:09:58 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWVsp-0003Au-3h; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:23:15 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWWa7-0008RS-NR for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:07:59 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.188] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWWa7-0008RJ-CS for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:07:59 +0000 Received: from b-180-24-198.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.24.198] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1EWWa60pHI-0001wm; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:07:58 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Printing large bitmaps fails To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:08:17 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4dc2172fa8sbellon@sbellon.de> <3a8f1ac24d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4dc261be58sbellon@sbellon.de> <4dc26324cbsbellon@sbellon.de> <4dc2666ddegav@crawford-print.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4dc2666ddegav@crawford-print.co.uk> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist:softwarelist In message <4dc2666ddegav@crawford-print.co.uk> Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <4dc26324cbsbellon@sbellon.de>, > Stefan Bellon wrote: >> Stefan Bellon wrote: >> > But I doubt it’s an out of memory issue: As the 26 MB file is printed >> > ok (just takes ages), I doubt it’s the size. There must be something >> > inside the file which is confusing the printer, I think. > >> I just tried to load the 4 MB file into RiScript. After rendering about >> half of the page, it crashed with an “stack overflow” error. > > Is the Sprite less than 8bit (256 colours). If so then it will be > chopped into many smaller bitmap images by the RISC OS postscript > driver. Even though the final file size is much smaller than the > GimpPrint output, all the small individual bitmaps can be exhausting the > printers memory. The problem is not exactly individual bitmaps as such (i.e., mererly chopped). That in itself would make it easier for the printer. It is the fact that they are not really bitmaps but stencil masks, one for each colour used in each of the areas. The RISC OS PS driver (ab)uses stencil masks to simulate masked sprites, but it does this even for unmasked sprites. Stencil masks were not really designed to do this kind of job, so some PS printers have very small implementation limits for them. > Try converting the sprite to 24bit or a JPEG, and see if that works any > better. And make sure that the PostScript printer driver is set to “Colour”, otherwise, the driver will “helpfully” convert the bitmap to 256 greys and do its chopped stencil mask trick again. Martin — ——————————————————————————————————- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com ——————————————————————————————————- — To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWWm5-064GPo-02-17Gc; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:20:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWWm5-064GPo-02; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:20:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWWm4-0006Eq-U0; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:20:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWVsK-0003XZ-SF; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:22:44 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWWk5-0001Eo-Kc for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:18:17 +0000 Received: from [84.156.245.14] (helo=roma.localnet) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWWk5-0001Ee-8f for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:18:17 +0000 Received: from veni.localnet ([192.168.0.106] helo=veni) by roma.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1EWWk3-0001oz-00 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:18:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:18:14 +0100 Subject: [softwarelist] Re: Printing large bitmaps fails Message-ID: <4dc26aedd8sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4dc2666ddegav@crawford-print.co.uk> References: <4dc2172fa8sbellon@sbellon.de> <3a8f1ac24d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4dc261be58sbellon@sbellon.de> <4dc26324cbsbellon@sbellon.de> <4dc2666ddegav@crawford-print.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 X-Request-PGP: http://www.sbellon.de/gpg.asc X-PGP-ID: 05360CB9 / 55DB 48FE BA59 7BA0 2B9D 4822 38C5 EC21 0536 0CB9 X-URL: http://www.sbellon.de/ Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist:softwarelist Gavin Crawford wrote: > In article <4dc26324cbsbellon@sbellon.de>, > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > I just tried to load the 4 MB file into RiScript. After rendering > > about half of the page, it crashed with an “stack overflow” error. > Is the Sprite less than 8bit (256 colours). If so then it will be > chopped into many smaller bitmap images by the RISC OS postscript > driver. Even though the final file size is much smaller than the > GimpPrint output, all the small individual bitmaps can be exhausting > the printers memory. I don’t quite understand what the driver does. Could you please elaborate a little bit on that? > Try converting the sprite to 24bit or a JPEG, and see if that works > any better. Wow, that’s amazing! Initially I deliberately chose 8bpp because I thought this would require less memory than 24bpp. Now I have converted the 8bpp 7 MB Sprite to a 24bpp JPEG which is only 578 KB in size. The resulting PostScript file is 740 KB in size, is generated almost instantly and printed with the usual speed. That means, scanning something with 8bpp in order to “save” space has the opposite effect. Always scan with 24bpp if you want to PostScript print it afterwards? — Stefan Bellon — To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWWwK-0raGPo-02-176N; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:30:57 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWWwK-0raGPo-02; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:30:57 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWWwK-0004n2-QY; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:30:56 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWW2d-0004lc-CM; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:33:23 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWWum-0002ty-Sx for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:29:20 +0000 Received: from [193.111.201.127] (helo=lon-mail-3.gradwell.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWWum-0002tq-Ep for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:29:20 +0000 Received: from magpieway.net ([213.162.112.164] helo=tony-lx.magpieway.net ident=tony#pop3#vanderhoff*org) by lon-mail-3.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.198) id 4365f1ff.1697e.93 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:29:19 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:29:19 +0000 From: Tony van der Hoff To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Opro (w) under WINE Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <4HwMNsCrKoVDFwY6@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net User-Agent: Gemini/2.25d (Qt/3.3.4) (Linux-i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist:softwarelist John Pettigrew wrote in message > In a previous message, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > Major bummer — OPro under wine crashes when trying to print. > > Doesn’t here. Must be something about either your setup or the doc itself. > Not the doc. I created a very simple new doc, using OPW. As for the setup, well, that’s why I sent the stack dump, hoping David might be able to point at some crucial item I’ve missed. > One annoyance about printing, though - OvPro doesn’t pick up the printer > list properly. That is, if I click next to the default printer to bring up > a popup (or, at least, it looks like that’s what should happen), I don’t > get anything. Which means I can only use the default printer. > I only have one printer configured in CUPS, so can’t confirm/deny this. However, trying to print from Notepad under wine (0.9), gives me precisely zero entries in the printer list, so can’t print at all from there. Maybe that’s a clue, I’ll attack that route. — Tony van der Hoff | mailto:tony@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England — To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWXGJ-2NpGPo-01-1FIu; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:51:35 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.245] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWXGJ-2NpGPo-01; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:51:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.30] (helo=smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWXGJ-0004qD-19; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:51:35 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay01.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWWMa-000679-KS; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:54:00 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWXEF-00085O-LU for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:49:27 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.171] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWXEF-00085D-AI for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:49:27 +0000 Received: from b-180-24-198.ma.dial.de.ignite.net [62.180.24.198] (helo=bach) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML29c-1EWXEE0ndt-0008Lw; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:49:26 +0100 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Re: Printing large bitmaps fails To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Martin Wuerthner X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:49:44 +0100 Message-ID: <2ed06dc24d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> References: <4dc2172fa8sbellon@sbellon.de> <3a8f1ac24d.martin@bach.planiverse.com> <4dc261be58sbellon@sbellon.de> <4dc26324cbsbellon@sbellon.de> <4dc2666ddegav@crawford-print.co.uk> <4dc26aedd8sbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <4dc26aedd8sbellon@sbellon.de> X-Organization: MW Software User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.09) POPstar/2.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:e4772095be5169fd0e120a52273e9d27 Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist:softwarelist In message <4dc26aedd8sbellon@sbellon.de> Stefan Bellon wrote: > Gavin Crawford wrote: >> In article <4dc26324cbsbellon@sbellon.de>, >> Stefan Bellon wrote: > >> > I just tried to load the 4 MB file into RiScript. After rendering >> > about half of the page, it crashed with an “stack overflow” error. > >> Is the Sprite less than 8bit (256 colours). If so then it will be >> chopped into many smaller bitmap images by the RISC OS postscript >> driver. Even though the final file size is much smaller than the >> GimpPrint output, all the small individual bitmaps can be exhausting >> the printers memory. > > I don’t quite understand what the driver does. Could you please > elaborate a little bit on that? See my other message for more details. The PS driver output for indexed colour sprites is very poor and has caused many headaches. It is also reported to have driven away several professional printers from RISC OS. > That means, scanning something with 8bpp in order to “save” space has > the opposite effect. Always scan with 24bpp if you want to PostScript > print it afterwards? Yes, definitely, at least if you want to print from RISC OS. If you want to put the sprite into ArtWorks and use direct PDF export, then there is no problem with 8bpp (or less). Martin — ——————————————————————————————————- Martin Wuerthner MW Software martin@mw-software.com ——————————————————————————————————- — To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWaoq-4CMVbs-07-1KGt; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:39:28 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.210] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWaoq-4CMVbs-07; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:39:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWaoq-00045V-3j; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:39:28 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWa5d-0007BH-8s; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:52:45 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWaml-0000C5-A6 for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:37:19 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.49] (helo=mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWamk-0000C0-V2 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:37:19 +0000 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051031143714.XYFJ8609.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:37:14 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.9.212.163]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051031143714.SBEO8786.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:37:14 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Old and new versions Ovation Pro To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:42:43 +0100 Message-ID: References: <5b2decc04d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist:softwarelist I hope I have set this out correctly. I recently had the Iyonix off with a Graphic Card that had died on me. I went my Riscos 3.7 machine where I had backed up a large document but couldnt use it as the error message informed me that I had created the document in a more up to date version of OP. Very frustrating. What can one do in such emergencies? Thanks Alan — Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR — To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWb4D-04P000-08-uRy; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:55:21 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWb4D-04P000-08; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:55:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWb4C-0004r8-Kw; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:55:21 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWaAS-0005Yk-GF; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:57:44 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWayV-0002IU-6E for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:49:27 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.131] (helo=pih-relay04.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWayU-0002HG-TE for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:49:26 +0000 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by pih-relay04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EWayP-0002Fz-FL for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:49:21 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Old and new versions Ovation Pro To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:49:37 GMT Message-ID: References: <5b2decc04d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist:softwarelist In message Alan Leighton wrote: > I recently had the Iyonix off with a Graphic Card that had died on me. > I went my Riscos 3.7 machine where I had backed up a large document > but couldnt use it as the error message informed me that I had created > the document in a more up to date version of OP. > > Very frustrating. What can one do in such emergencies? Update your copy of Ovation Pro on your RISC OS 3.7 machine from the backup of your Iyonix, or download an OvPro update from www.davidpilling.net — Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ — To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWb7S-2B5knw-06-lsD; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:58:43 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.223] (lhlo=lon1-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWb7S-2B5knw-06; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:58:43 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by lon1-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWb7S-0005ys-KV; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:58:42 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWb7K-0003O6-Ko; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:58:34 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWb50-0003OT-JL for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:56:10 +0000 Received: from [212.159.14.214] (helo=ptb-relay03.plus.net) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWb4y-0003O3-4o for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:56:08 +0000 Received: from [84.92.151.71] (helo=Iyonix.bapfish.plus.com) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1EWb4v-0006hV-KO for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:56:07 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Old and new versions Ovation Pro To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Bernard Veasey X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:56:15 GMT Message-ID: <1f6284c24d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> References: <5b2decc04d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist:softwarelist In message Alan Leighton wrote: > I recently had the Iyonix off with a Graphic Card that had died on me. > I went my Riscos 3.7 machine where I had backed up a large document > but couldnt use it as the error message informed me that I had created > the document in a more up to date version of OP. > > Very frustrating. What can one do in such emergencies? Further to my previous email, the exact address for version 2.75 of OvPro being: http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op275.zip — Email - bernard@bapfish.org.uk Web - http://www.bapfish.org.uk/ — To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWcrK-1Uuknw-02-1IEP; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:50:11 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.95] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWcrK-1Uuknw-02; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:50:11 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.35] (helo=smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWcrK-0002jg-10; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:50:10 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay06.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWbxc-0001g0-8R; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:52:36 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWcpM-0008HY-Eb for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:48:08 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWcpL-0008HH-V9 for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:48:08 +0000 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051031164807.KSFF21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:48:07 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.9.212.163]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051031164806.DZVS10626.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:48:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Old and new versions Ovation Pro To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:52:27 +0100 Message-ID: <4d8789c24d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <5b2decc04d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <1f6284c24d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <1f6284c24d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist:softwarelist In message <1f6284c24d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> Bernard Veasey wrote: > In message > Alan Leighton wrote: > >> I recently had the Iyonix off with a Graphic Card that had died on me. >> I went my Riscos 3.7 machine where I had backed up a large document >> but couldnt use it as the error message informed me that I had created >> the document in a more up to date version of OP. >> >> Very frustrating. What can one do in such emergencies? > > Further to my previous email, the exact address for version 2.75 of > OvPro being: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op275.zip > Yes found it proceeded as instructed but kept on having the error message when trying to load; A 26bit applet is present and can’t be loaded - !ColSupp Now I have used Freshen to deal with this and have dropped every such file into Freshen but it still won’t load. Any ideas. Alan — Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR — To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWdNp-3pwknw-03-K2I; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:23:45 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.71] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWdNp-3pwknw-03; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:23:45 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.33] (helo=smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWdNo-0001Fz-Rk; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:23:44 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay04.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWdNk-0003v5-3D; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:23:40 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWdM3-0004B2-JQ for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:21:55 +0000 Received: from [213.160.118.140] (helo=mailhost.netweaver.net) by svr1.spellings.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWdM3-0004At-1Z for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:21:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 12480 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2005 17:21:54 -0000 Received: from cpc3-hem12-4-1-cust184.lutn.cable.ntl.com (HELO Iyonix.sandford.ntlworld.com) (lists@thesandfords.me.uk@86.3.10.184) by 0 with SMTP; 31 Oct 2005 17:21:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:21:48 GMT From: To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Old and new versions Ovation Pro Message-ID: <60b591c24d.jms@sandford.ntlworld.com> References: <5b2decc04d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <1f6284c24d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> <4d8789c24d.alan@ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <4d8789c24d.alan@ntlworld.com> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist:softwarelist In message <4d8789c24d.alan@ntlworld.com> Alan Leighton wrote: [snip] > Yes found it proceeded as instructed but kept on having the error > message when trying to load; > > A 26bit applet is present and can’t be loaded - !ColSupp > > Now I have used Freshen to deal with this and have dropped every such > file into Freshen but it still won’t load. > > Any ideas. > > Alan > > you need to replace the !colsupp applet with the 26/32 bit version on the web site http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/applet.html John — John Sandford West Herts UK Hemel Hempstead RISC OS User Group email info@hhrug.org — To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net Return-Path: Received: from punt3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 1EWeTC-3ytVbs-08-1861; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:33:23 +0000 Received: from [194.217.242.77] (lhlo=anchor-hub.mail.demon.net) by punt3.mail.demon.net with lmtp id 1EWeTC-3ytVbs-08; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:33:23 +0000 Received: from [212.69.217.31] (helo=smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk) by anchor-hub.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1EWeTC-0002rc-CR; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:33:22 +0000 Received: from [212.69.206.29] (helo=svr1.spellings.net) by smtp-relay02.x-mailer.co.uk with esmtp id 1EWdk4-00043L-6z; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:46:44 +0000 Received: from admin by svr1.spellings.net with local (Exim 4.43) id 1EWeRH-0006qV-Ve for softwarelist-OutGoing@svr1.spellings.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:31:24 +0000 Received: from [81.103.221.47] (helo=mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by svr1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EWeRH-0006qE-2T for softwarelist@davidpilling.net; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:31:23 +0000 Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051031183112.OYVZ21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:31:12 +0000 Received: from Iyonix.ntlworld.com ([82.9.212.163]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051031183112.NTBX6564.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@Iyonix.ntlworld.com> for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:31:12 +0000 Subject: Re: [softwarelist] Old and new versions Ovation Pro To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net From: Alan Leighton X-Editor: EmailEdit 1.10 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:24:29 +0100 Message-ID: <35f491c24d.alan@ntlworld.com> References: <5b2decc04d.fjr@edencroft2.demon.co.uk> <1f6284c24d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <1f6284c24d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/3.29 (MsgServe/3.10) (RISC-OS/5.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-softwarelist@davidpilling.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: softwarelist@davidpilling.net X-maillist:softwarelist In message <1f6284c24d.Bernard@bapfish.plus.com> Bernard Veasey wrote: > In message > Alan Leighton wrote: > >> I recently had the Iyonix off with a Graphic Card that had died on me. >> I went my Riscos 3.7 machine where I had backed up a large document >> but couldnt use it as the error message informed me that I had created >> the document in a more up to date version of OP. >> >> Very frustrating. What can one do in such emergencies? > > Further to my previous email, the exact address for version 2.75 of > OvPro being: > > http://www.davidpilling.net/ovationpro/upgrade/op275.zip > John Myers dropped in and reloaded OP and then did the update and all is well. What with John Oxley fitfing the new Graphics card this morning it has been a real RICOS day for me. Great guys. Cheers Alan — Alan Leighton (Rev Dr) Priory Lodge 86b Church Lane, Eston, TS6 9QR — To unsubscribe from this list, email listadmin@davidpilling.net with the words UNSUBSCRIBE softwarelist in the body of the message Mailing list provided and hosted by www.spellings.net